1 00:00:05,240 --> 00:00:07,600 Speaker 1: Hey, this is Annie and Samantha and welcome to Stephane 2 00:00:07,640 --> 00:00:19,400 Speaker 1: never told you protection of iHeart Radio. And welcome to 3 00:00:19,480 --> 00:00:23,960 Speaker 1: another sub sub sub segment, Yes, of fictional women around 4 00:00:23,960 --> 00:00:28,080 Speaker 1: the world, and today we are talking about Echo, also 5 00:00:28,200 --> 00:00:32,400 Speaker 1: known as Mile Lopez. And for those of you who 6 00:00:32,400 --> 00:00:36,239 Speaker 1: are more firmly in the realm of the Marvel Cinematic 7 00:00:36,320 --> 00:00:40,280 Speaker 1: universe and less in the comics than you probably saw 8 00:00:40,320 --> 00:00:43,120 Speaker 1: her in a Hawkeye. And you can see our Cape 9 00:00:43,120 --> 00:00:46,440 Speaker 1: Bishop episode that we did about a year ago on 10 00:00:46,440 --> 00:00:49,040 Speaker 1: on that where we talked about her old a little bit. 11 00:00:49,840 --> 00:00:52,600 Speaker 1: But she is getting her own spin off series which 12 00:00:52,600 --> 00:00:54,440 Speaker 1: is filming Atlanta right now. I have a friend who's 13 00:00:54,440 --> 00:00:57,080 Speaker 1: working on it. Uh. He's being very good about the 14 00:00:57,160 --> 00:01:00,120 Speaker 1: n d A. Not that I'm like prying too hard. Way. 15 00:01:00,160 --> 00:01:02,400 Speaker 1: Do I know who's on there? Do I know them? No? 16 00:01:03,200 --> 00:01:05,360 Speaker 1: Not really. I mean I think I've mentioned them before, 17 00:01:05,400 --> 00:01:09,199 Speaker 1: but no, Um, I have all their friends. Meant do 18 00:01:09,240 --> 00:01:16,960 Speaker 1: you don't. This character is played by Native American actor 19 00:01:17,040 --> 00:01:20,480 Speaker 1: Alecba Cox, who was the first Native American hero in 20 00:01:20,520 --> 00:01:24,080 Speaker 1: the m c U and the second deaf hero. Cox 21 00:01:24,240 --> 00:01:27,160 Speaker 1: also has to blow the knee prosthetic which they incorporated 22 00:01:27,200 --> 00:01:31,000 Speaker 1: into her fighting style in the show. I know, yeah, 23 00:01:31,640 --> 00:01:37,840 Speaker 1: standard at Marvel disclaimer. Uh, it's complicated and I'm familiar 24 00:01:37,880 --> 00:01:40,760 Speaker 1: with one storyline of this character. But when I was 25 00:01:40,800 --> 00:01:45,040 Speaker 1: researching it, I was like, but what wait what um, 26 00:01:45,160 --> 00:01:48,559 Speaker 1: So I'm kind of gonna be We're gonna be jumping 27 00:01:48,560 --> 00:01:51,080 Speaker 1: back and forth in a way. I hope it's not 28 00:01:51,200 --> 00:01:53,480 Speaker 1: very confusing between the comics and the show because right 29 00:01:53,560 --> 00:01:58,440 Speaker 1: now they're similar. Um, but they have a lot of 30 00:01:58,480 --> 00:02:01,520 Speaker 1: different folks in some places. So like a lot of 31 00:02:01,520 --> 00:02:05,600 Speaker 1: stuff that is Daredevil and the comics is Hawkeye in 32 00:02:05,640 --> 00:02:08,480 Speaker 1: the m c U. So things like that. So bear 33 00:02:08,560 --> 00:02:10,839 Speaker 1: with me as always, Samantha, you are along for the ride, 34 00:02:10,880 --> 00:02:15,600 Speaker 1: and ask any questions. At least I know who this is. Yes, 35 00:02:16,040 --> 00:02:21,320 Speaker 1: that's yep. So yesterday we were talking about Myle Lopez, 36 00:02:21,680 --> 00:02:25,720 Speaker 1: a deaf shy in Latin American. She originally was used 37 00:02:25,760 --> 00:02:30,840 Speaker 1: and manipulated by Kingpin, but she escapes his machinations and 38 00:02:30,919 --> 00:02:34,160 Speaker 1: goes on to fight against him and his ilk So 39 00:02:34,440 --> 00:02:38,600 Speaker 1: did you like my very dramatic sentence, I said, nations, 40 00:02:38,680 --> 00:02:42,800 Speaker 1: And I was like, WHOA, I was feeling it. I 41 00:02:42,840 --> 00:02:47,000 Speaker 1: was feeling it. You are Kingpin earns that drama. She 42 00:02:47,080 --> 00:02:51,960 Speaker 1: does oh my gosh, Oh my gosh, this is fantastic representation. 43 00:02:53,080 --> 00:02:55,440 Speaker 1: So for a bit of history, Mya Lopez was first 44 00:02:55,480 --> 00:03:00,640 Speaker 1: introduced in the comics and Daredevil number nine, and she 45 00:03:00,720 --> 00:03:03,800 Speaker 1: grew up with her father, a chyenne man named William 46 00:03:03,919 --> 00:03:07,320 Speaker 1: Crazy Horse Lincoln, after her mother, who was the Tina, left. 47 00:03:07,680 --> 00:03:09,800 Speaker 1: It took a long time for Maya's teachers to realize 48 00:03:09,919 --> 00:03:13,480 Speaker 1: that she was deaf. In the m c U, her 49 00:03:13,520 --> 00:03:16,040 Speaker 1: father informed her he could not afford to send her 50 00:03:16,040 --> 00:03:18,600 Speaker 1: to a specialized school for the deaf, that she had 51 00:03:18,639 --> 00:03:21,440 Speaker 1: to jump between two worlds, that she could use her 52 00:03:21,480 --> 00:03:27,120 Speaker 1: speed to overcome strength, things like that. As a child, 53 00:03:27,360 --> 00:03:30,480 Speaker 1: she learned that her father was working with mobster Kingpin, 54 00:03:30,960 --> 00:03:34,040 Speaker 1: who goes on to eventually kill her father placing and 55 00:03:34,040 --> 00:03:36,920 Speaker 1: her father places a bloody hamprint on her face as 56 00:03:36,920 --> 00:03:41,400 Speaker 1: he dies, which gets incorporated into her look um and 57 00:03:41,520 --> 00:03:48,360 Speaker 1: Kingpin becomes her guardian uh huh, and she sees him 58 00:03:48,360 --> 00:03:51,240 Speaker 1: a sort of a father figure. He lies about the 59 00:03:51,240 --> 00:03:55,000 Speaker 1: circumstance of her father's death, blaming Daredevil or in the 60 00:03:55,040 --> 00:03:59,920 Speaker 1: show Ronan Slash Hawkeye. He subtly coerces her into learning 61 00:04:00,240 --> 00:04:03,400 Speaker 1: fighting and performance skills, and she excels in both. One 62 00:04:03,440 --> 00:04:06,440 Speaker 1: of Maya's key abilities is that she can mimic any 63 00:04:06,480 --> 00:04:10,320 Speaker 1: action that she sees. And we're talking like music, dance, fighting, 64 00:04:10,400 --> 00:04:13,440 Speaker 1: everything everything you could imagine, um, And that's where the 65 00:04:13,480 --> 00:04:16,440 Speaker 1: name Echo comes from. It's very much like task Masker 66 00:04:17,000 --> 00:04:20,520 Speaker 1: from Black Widow. Is that implicated in the show In 67 00:04:20,560 --> 00:04:22,960 Speaker 1: the Hawkeye show, I think it was kind of hinted at, 68 00:04:23,320 --> 00:04:27,560 Speaker 1: but it was never made really explicit. But I think 69 00:04:27,600 --> 00:04:31,040 Speaker 1: it was kind of because you see scenes of I 70 00:04:31,080 --> 00:04:33,400 Speaker 1: guess the way I interpreted it is she's just studying 71 00:04:33,440 --> 00:04:36,960 Speaker 1: people's fighting styles, so you see scenes of that, but 72 00:04:37,160 --> 00:04:41,080 Speaker 1: it was never made super clear. It seemed to be 73 00:04:41,080 --> 00:04:44,480 Speaker 1: a badass in ourselves, right. That was my vibe too. Okay, Okay, 74 00:04:44,520 --> 00:04:46,400 Speaker 1: another question before you jump back in. I know you're 75 00:04:46,400 --> 00:04:48,120 Speaker 1: gonna talk about it a second, but why would they 76 00:04:48,200 --> 00:04:51,480 Speaker 1: change Uh? They just dted to introduce her, so they 77 00:04:51,560 --> 00:04:55,640 Speaker 1: change the uh patsy to be Hawkeye instead of Daredevil. 78 00:04:56,400 --> 00:04:58,400 Speaker 1: I think I think there are a couple of reasons 79 00:04:58,400 --> 00:05:02,479 Speaker 1: they did that. I think one Daredevil they've had a 80 00:05:02,480 --> 00:05:06,760 Speaker 1: little bit of like legal trouble getting that character um 81 00:05:06,839 --> 00:05:08,520 Speaker 1: and kind of figuring out what they're gonna do. With 82 00:05:08,560 --> 00:05:13,520 Speaker 1: the old show versus well, if you've seen recent stuff, 83 00:05:13,520 --> 00:05:15,599 Speaker 1: then I think that some of that has been resolved. 84 00:05:15,640 --> 00:05:20,120 Speaker 1: But also their plotline, which I am going to go into. 85 00:05:21,720 --> 00:05:23,719 Speaker 1: I mean not that this would have necessarily stopped them, 86 00:05:23,720 --> 00:05:27,200 Speaker 1: but it's like not the healthy isn't with Hawkeye either, 87 00:05:27,279 --> 00:05:28,920 Speaker 1: So I don't know. I think they were just like 88 00:05:29,760 --> 00:05:31,560 Speaker 1: it makes sense to put him in here. Everybody was 89 00:05:31,600 --> 00:05:36,840 Speaker 1: waiting for Daredevil to show up in because it's Kingpin, right, 90 00:05:37,839 --> 00:05:39,839 Speaker 1: So I'm not entirely sure. I guess, it's my long 91 00:05:39,880 --> 00:05:56,240 Speaker 1: winded answer to say, I don't know for sure. So 92 00:05:58,120 --> 00:06:00,520 Speaker 1: because of this ability that she has where she can 93 00:06:00,560 --> 00:06:03,520 Speaker 1: mimic and echo all of these things, that that means 94 00:06:03,560 --> 00:06:07,120 Speaker 1: that she is great at a whole host of things, 95 00:06:07,200 --> 00:06:12,240 Speaker 1: from piano to ballet to boxing to composing everything in between. 96 00:06:12,279 --> 00:06:15,160 Speaker 1: That when Echo does learn the truth about Kingpin, she 97 00:06:15,360 --> 00:06:17,560 Speaker 1: turns on him and the comics. She shoots him in 98 00:06:17,560 --> 00:06:19,880 Speaker 1: the face and causes him to go temporarily blind, which 99 00:06:19,920 --> 00:06:22,279 Speaker 1: is supposed to be seen as sort of a just 100 00:06:22,440 --> 00:06:26,560 Speaker 1: this kind of thing, I suppose um in the show, 101 00:06:26,600 --> 00:06:30,240 Speaker 1: it's very much painted as a long time coming um or, 102 00:06:30,240 --> 00:06:32,719 Speaker 1: at least in a sense that after her father died, 103 00:06:32,760 --> 00:06:35,880 Speaker 1: she felt like she should have more control, power, responsibility 104 00:06:36,040 --> 00:06:39,560 Speaker 1: than she was getting, and she drew a lot of 105 00:06:39,560 --> 00:06:42,640 Speaker 1: ire for investigating and questioning what really happened to her father. 106 00:06:43,320 --> 00:06:47,480 Speaker 1: When she confronted Barton about it, he said Slash signed 107 00:06:47,480 --> 00:06:50,240 Speaker 1: an a s L that they had both been manipulated 108 00:06:50,360 --> 00:06:55,080 Speaker 1: and used as weapons. Her kind of Bow later attacks 109 00:06:55,080 --> 00:06:59,479 Speaker 1: her after she probes them about where he was when 110 00:06:59,520 --> 00:07:01,679 Speaker 1: her father died, and also kind of a whole leadership 111 00:07:01,720 --> 00:07:04,760 Speaker 1: thing going on, um, claiming he should be the one 112 00:07:04,960 --> 00:07:07,680 Speaker 1: in her spot, not her, and in the show, she 113 00:07:07,760 --> 00:07:10,640 Speaker 1: shoots and apparently kills Kingpin, though I don't buy for 114 00:07:10,720 --> 00:07:13,960 Speaker 1: one second that he's dead, not one second old. He 115 00:07:14,040 --> 00:07:18,680 Speaker 1: just disappeared, Like, yeah, it's been a long time since 116 00:07:18,680 --> 00:07:20,600 Speaker 1: I've seen that. I think you're right. They come back 117 00:07:20,600 --> 00:07:24,920 Speaker 1: and he's not there. Yeah, no, ways, he's coming back 118 00:07:25,040 --> 00:07:29,840 Speaker 1: for sure. Okay. But yes, Before all that, in the comics, 119 00:07:29,880 --> 00:07:33,440 Speaker 1: she met Matt Murdoch, not realizing that this was his 120 00:07:33,520 --> 00:07:37,040 Speaker 1: alter ego Daredevil, the alter ego of Daredevil who she 121 00:07:37,080 --> 00:07:40,400 Speaker 1: believed had killed her father, and the two felt an 122 00:07:40,400 --> 00:07:43,800 Speaker 1: attraction for each other um through a variety of things 123 00:07:44,000 --> 00:07:46,760 Speaker 1: like studying Daredevil's moves and getting to know Matt Murdoch. 124 00:07:47,280 --> 00:07:50,760 Speaker 1: She realizes that Kingpin lied to her about the circumstances 125 00:07:50,840 --> 00:07:54,160 Speaker 1: of her father's death. She studied these videos of Daredevil's 126 00:07:54,160 --> 00:07:57,560 Speaker 1: fighting techniques to copy them and confronted and almost killed 127 00:07:57,640 --> 00:08:00,720 Speaker 1: him like multiple times, and the only reason she didn't 128 00:08:00,720 --> 00:08:04,600 Speaker 1: one time was kids were watching, which I felt was like, yeah, today, 129 00:08:04,680 --> 00:08:07,160 Speaker 1: did you say they were attracted to each other? Yes? 130 00:08:07,520 --> 00:08:10,200 Speaker 1: In is she supposed to be significantly younger than him? 131 00:08:10,600 --> 00:08:14,720 Speaker 1: Am I wrong? Yeah? I mean I'm not sure. In 132 00:08:14,720 --> 00:08:17,120 Speaker 1: the comics, to be honest, I still I mean, there's 133 00:08:17,120 --> 00:08:19,080 Speaker 1: still an age gap. I don't know if it's significant, 134 00:08:19,120 --> 00:08:21,320 Speaker 1: but in the show it certainly feels like a pretty 135 00:08:21,320 --> 00:08:25,239 Speaker 1: significant gap. Let's not do that. That's why I was like, maybe, 136 00:08:25,280 --> 00:08:31,360 Speaker 1: But it's also not great with Hawkeye anyway. Yes, she's 137 00:08:31,480 --> 00:08:34,280 Speaker 1: seen teaming up with all kinds of heroes, including Wolverine, 138 00:08:34,320 --> 00:08:37,920 Speaker 1: and has a romantic relationship with Hawkeye that doesn't last. 139 00:08:38,520 --> 00:08:42,000 Speaker 1: Um yep. She also works briefly with Mark Spector slash 140 00:08:42,040 --> 00:08:44,760 Speaker 1: Moon Night, and they met while she was undercover as 141 00:08:44,760 --> 00:08:47,880 Speaker 1: a stripper, and they have a role vance that doesn't last. 142 00:08:47,920 --> 00:08:53,400 Speaker 1: If you're seeing a pattern here, yeah, yes, while working 143 00:08:53,400 --> 00:08:55,840 Speaker 1: with him, she dies in combat, but is later revived. 144 00:08:56,160 --> 00:08:59,880 Speaker 1: She eventually joins the Avengers and assumes the Ronan mantle. 145 00:09:00,559 --> 00:09:02,280 Speaker 1: Uh and it was a big reveal when you find 146 00:09:02,320 --> 00:09:05,200 Speaker 1: out who who was. At one point she encounters and 147 00:09:05,240 --> 00:09:09,560 Speaker 1: fights Electra, but learns that it is a scroll impersonated Electra. 148 00:09:09,880 --> 00:09:14,520 Speaker 1: So those are the aliens that can shift uh huh. 149 00:09:14,600 --> 00:09:17,720 Speaker 1: And so this kick starts the Secret Invasion plotline, which 150 00:09:17,800 --> 00:09:21,040 Speaker 1: is a show that is coming soon to the MTU, 151 00:09:21,120 --> 00:09:24,280 Speaker 1: and they've already had pieces of all over recently. This 152 00:09:24,440 --> 00:09:27,640 Speaker 1: univers should have been destroyed ten times over, it seems 153 00:09:27,720 --> 00:09:32,840 Speaker 1: with all of this going down. But okay, so so 154 00:09:33,000 --> 00:09:35,920 Speaker 1: fun to wrangle these plot lines into something that is 155 00:09:35,920 --> 00:09:40,760 Speaker 1: hopefully coherent. Um. She was also tricked by a low 156 00:09:40,840 --> 00:09:44,840 Speaker 1: Ki At one point, Wild disguised as Carol Danvers, clapped 157 00:09:44,880 --> 00:09:48,520 Speaker 1: in Marble asked for her help for a women's settlement 158 00:09:48,679 --> 00:09:53,160 Speaker 1: on another planet that was being harassed by God's um 159 00:09:53,160 --> 00:09:55,959 Speaker 1: My agreed, and upon realizing she'd been tricked, had to 160 00:09:56,000 --> 00:09:58,200 Speaker 1: fight her way out of the situation, and one of 161 00:09:58,200 --> 00:10:01,520 Speaker 1: the women of the planet her vision of the future, 162 00:10:01,559 --> 00:10:05,839 Speaker 1: and she saw only fire. Maya incapacitated the god that 163 00:10:05,880 --> 00:10:08,280 Speaker 1: had been making them fight for entertainment and then left 164 00:10:08,360 --> 00:10:10,160 Speaker 1: him for the women of the planet to deal with. 165 00:10:10,720 --> 00:10:15,360 Speaker 1: Boom ye Okay, this is where I was like, oh, really, 166 00:10:15,920 --> 00:10:22,480 Speaker 1: Phoenix Force or just going just go with it. I'll 167 00:10:22,520 --> 00:10:27,960 Speaker 1: try to explain this. Phoenix Force later had her fight 168 00:10:28,040 --> 00:10:30,360 Speaker 1: in the Contest of Champions and she lost in her 169 00:10:30,360 --> 00:10:34,080 Speaker 1: battle against no More the sub Mariner. She was later 170 00:10:34,120 --> 00:10:38,640 Speaker 1: resurrected once again when the Phoenix chose her as its host. 171 00:10:39,360 --> 00:10:41,760 Speaker 1: After she collected all these other things she could fully 172 00:10:41,800 --> 00:10:46,840 Speaker 1: embody Phoenix Force and yes, a former host of this power, 173 00:10:46,960 --> 00:10:51,800 Speaker 1: Jeanne Gray, contacted her, urging her not to let it 174 00:10:51,840 --> 00:10:55,679 Speaker 1: consume her as Maya was reborn as the Phoenix. Wait, 175 00:10:55,679 --> 00:10:59,040 Speaker 1: I thought, jean Gray is still alive. That's how the 176 00:10:59,120 --> 00:11:03,160 Speaker 1: time I got written rewritten. Yeah. Yeah, she contacted her 177 00:11:03,760 --> 00:11:05,560 Speaker 1: and it was like, this is not a good thing. 178 00:11:06,000 --> 00:11:10,680 Speaker 1: Don't let it come phi anymore. My is this is 179 00:11:10,760 --> 00:11:15,320 Speaker 1: news to me. I'm telling you interesting. I know it is. 180 00:11:15,400 --> 00:11:18,880 Speaker 1: It is and I will say as we wrap up here, Uh, 181 00:11:19,000 --> 00:11:23,439 Speaker 1: some of the I can't speak to the some of 182 00:11:23,480 --> 00:11:26,120 Speaker 1: the costumes not the best. Some of it's pretty good, 183 00:11:26,200 --> 00:11:28,440 Speaker 1: but you know, some of those tropes you want to 184 00:11:28,480 --> 00:11:30,920 Speaker 1: avoid when it comes to women and when a color. 185 00:11:31,440 --> 00:11:36,680 Speaker 1: And then also, no women have written the comics for 186 00:11:36,720 --> 00:11:39,800 Speaker 1: this character, and I believe no Native American people have 187 00:11:39,920 --> 00:11:43,520 Speaker 1: written for this character on the upcoming show, though they 188 00:11:44,040 --> 00:11:47,000 Speaker 1: the show has hired a couple of death writers and 189 00:11:47,080 --> 00:11:50,560 Speaker 1: several negative American writers, so that's that's good and hopefully 190 00:11:50,600 --> 00:11:52,800 Speaker 1: we're going to see more stuff more progress like that 191 00:11:52,840 --> 00:11:57,120 Speaker 1: in the future. But yeah, I'm excited to see where 192 00:11:57,160 --> 00:12:01,040 Speaker 1: this goes in the show. 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