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Speaker 1: I'm Matt Miller and I'm Hannah Elliott, and this is

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Speaker 1: Hot Pursuit.

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Speaker 2: Okay, Today, we have a few exciting topics that we're

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Speaker 2: going to cover for you, starting with the collector car market,

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Speaker 2: because Hannah has a piece I believe in the magazine,

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Speaker 2: or at least coming out in the magazine about an

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Speaker 2: sl that's becoming more collectible. I think you can still

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Speaker 2: get it for an almost affordable price, or a very

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Speaker 2: affordable price, but that may not last long. So we'll

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Speaker 2: let you in on the ground floor, so to speak.

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Speaker 2: Then we're going to talk about the best car events

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Speaker 2: of twenty twenty four. Hannah spends most of her life,

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Speaker 2: I would guess, on planes, jetting back and forth between

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Speaker 2: launches and car shows and races and stuff. So we're

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Speaker 2: gonna hear from her about where you want to be

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Speaker 2: this year. And then I want to talk about one

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Speaker 2: of my great loves, and that is gigantic trucks that

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Speaker 2: are ridiculously excessive, with far more capability than I will

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Speaker 2: ever need to go to Starbucks, but for some reason

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Speaker 2: I love them. Anyway. I'm driving the Silverado twenty five

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Speaker 2: road truck with a giant Diesel motor and an Allison transmission.

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Speaker 2: Let's start with the SL, Hannah, because you wrote a piece,

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Speaker 2: and where's it going to be? Where are we going

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Speaker 2: to be able to read it?

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Speaker 1: The story will be in Business Week magazine in a

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Speaker 1: week or two, so you can find it on newsstands,

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Speaker 1: but it will also be online starting next week.

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Speaker 2: Nice. Yeah, all right. So, and it's about the SL,

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Speaker 2: which is a car I've been hearing a lot more

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Speaker 2: about lately. Last week we talked to Kevin Tynan. I

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Speaker 2: think he owns at least one, possibly two if you

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Speaker 2: count the one he gave to his son. More and

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Speaker 2: more people, Doug DeMuro has been talking about it as

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Speaker 2: I look at lists of you know, twelve cylinder cars

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Speaker 2: that are still attainable, and it's always in that list,

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Speaker 2: usually at the top. Talk to us about the SL.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so this is a really well known model line

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Speaker 1: that Mercedes has made from the fifties. You know, we

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Speaker 1: have the goal Wing SA Goalings that everyone knows about

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Speaker 1: that are multimillion dollar cars. And there's you know, a

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Speaker 1: we both have driven.

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Speaker 2: That is a great.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I love it, love it. So it's a really

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Speaker 1: long model line. This The model that specifically I focused

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Speaker 1: R one twenty nine internally, and those were basically popular

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Speaker 1: in the nineties and early two thousands. They were made

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Speaker 1: between eighty nine and two thousand and one for the

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Speaker 3: And two model year.

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Speaker 1: So these are the sls that you might have seen

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Speaker 1: Tupac driving or Michael Jordan. Princess Diana famously drove one

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Speaker 1: as the first royal to not drive a British made car,

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Speaker 2: So she was the first member of the Ye, like

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Speaker 2: the main royal family, that drove a car in public

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Speaker 2: that wasn't made in Britain.

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Speaker 1: Yes, and it caused quite an uproar and in fact

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Speaker 1: Buckingham Palace had to put out a statement saying she

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Speaker 1: drive a Jaguar Are for official events of course, in

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Speaker 1: a nod to the crown. But there are these great

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Speaker 1: photos of Diana in this sort of raspberry dark red

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Speaker 1: The Mercedes Benz Museum and Stuttgart and anyone can go

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Speaker 1: looked very outdated. They weren't the cool you know the

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Speaker 3: But we have you know, I.

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Speaker 1: When I say we, I mean these analysts that I'm

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Speaker 1: talking to from Haggarty and Classic dot com and even

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Speaker 1: One for about twenty thousand dollars now, and they really

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Speaker 2: I mean there. I mean, of course, the gal Wing

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Speaker 2: growing up as a kid in the eighties. I love

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Speaker 2: the eighties version, which I always thought looked like a

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, and yes it's Quare was.

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Speaker 2: The first car I'm aware of that or that I

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Speaker 2: I think it stands for sport light or short light.

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Speaker 1: Exactly, the sport sportlight SL and German is basically also

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Speaker 2: I mean, you know, I mean, what an awesome platform

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Speaker 2: personally for me. When it gets to the nineties and

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Speaker 2: And I feel like in Spaceball's the Jewish Princess had

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Speaker 2: for the movie. I also feel like Michael Jackson really

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Speaker 2: think the SLR came McLaren came from the next generation.

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Speaker 2: But those two generations to me, the nineties and the

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Speaker 2: and the aughts, they to me they missed the mark

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Speaker 1: Well, you you might be in the majority, and that's

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Speaker 1: kind of why there's an opportunity for people who do

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Speaker 1: actually like outlook. My editor Chris Rouser, who I adore,

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Speaker 2: He has incredibly good taste.

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Speaker 1: You know. Sometimes I know that the twelve cylinders can

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Speaker 1: some of the BMW's were thrashed a bit more than

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Speaker 2: you know what, Kevin Tynan, he knows more about motors

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Speaker 2: and I would love to drive one. Maybe I'll get

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Speaker 2: into Kevin's at some point, and I could imagine the

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Speaker 2: look growing on you. And there's actually a person in

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Speaker 2: your story who bought one of these for pretty cheap,

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Speaker 2: and he said, I'm really liking the design more and

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Speaker 2: more as I live with it.

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Speaker 1: Yes, I think that really, you know, I don't want

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Speaker 1: sounds like a fungus, but it does. It. It's easy

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Speaker 1: I just think it has aged very well. And Brian Raybold,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Haggarty actually does every year. They do I think

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Speaker 2: it's called the bull Market where they pick I guessed

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Speaker 3: I have to go back to the Corvette.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I'm only saying this because I bought one

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Speaker 3: But oh, you know another one that I just thought

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Speaker 3: of what about the ferrari Ff No.

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Speaker 2: In love with it?

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Speaker 2: If I had a spare hundred grand I would buy

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Speaker 2: One time I drove a ferrari Ff test drove one

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Speaker 2: the Austin Motor GP race and Mark Marquez was driving

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Speaker 2: the exact same car. Wow, a couple weeks I was.

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Speaker 2: I was pretty excited that my butt was where his

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Speaker 2: Look a lot of people think they're ugly, which for me,

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Speaker 2: I like it even better since other people think it's ugly.

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Speaker 1: Of course, you're not basic. You're not a basic guy exactly.

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Speaker 2: Very cool. All right, this is turning into a series

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I would love to see it. I'll put in

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Speaker 1: If someone had never been like me and I was

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Speaker 3: And let's do it. It's I got family in Dallas. Anyway,

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Speaker 2: All right, Let's talk about something near and dear to

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Speaker 2: my heart, and that is big, gigantic trucks that are

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Speaker 2: It's just an amazing figure. It's only beat as far

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Speaker 2: It's got thirty five inch good Year tires, the MT

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Speaker 2: I want to get you in this truck so I

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Speaker 1: So many questions. I have so many questions. First of all,

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Speaker 2: and change is what it stickers at. So it's very expensive,

438
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Speaker 2: but it's a luxury vehicle.

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Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, So how do people do people look

440
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Speaker 1: at you?

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Speaker 2: So this is hilarious. I was driving in today, you know,

442
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Speaker 2: down from Westchester across Manhattan in your side. Yeah, but uh,

443
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Speaker 2: there were a couple of very well dressed, looked like

444
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Speaker 2: maybe advertising exec millennial guys crossing the street, you know,

445
00:22:03,760 --> 00:22:08,040
Speaker 2: like perfectly manicured beards at holding lattes. Right, and one

446
00:22:08,080 --> 00:22:10,520
Speaker 2: of them looks at this truck and just gave me

447
00:22:10,680 --> 00:22:15,159
Speaker 2: the nastiest look, the nastiest look, and then turned to

448
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Speaker 2: say something I'm sure demeaning to his colleague about, you know,

449
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Speaker 2: my big vehicle. I don't know if it's because he

450
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Speaker 2: thinks it's not a redneck mobile, right, because it's so

451
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Speaker 2: nice they finish. It's not dirty at all on it.

452
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Speaker 2: It was just they just finished polishing it before they

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Speaker 2: handed me the keys. But it's offensive to people in

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Speaker 2: you know, when I lived in Berlin and I drove

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Speaker 2: around in the g wagon, multitudes of hipsters were offended

456
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Speaker 2: because they just think this is a big vehicle, too

457
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Speaker 2: big for one person to use. It's not environmentally friendly,

458
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Speaker 2: and you know they get angry about it. But I'm

459
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Speaker 2: just testing it, you know.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean it's just they say about assuming.

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Speaker 2: You know, people will buy evs that are heavier, you know,

462
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Speaker 2: and I'm not sure they were much greener in the

463
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Speaker 2: build process. Yes, there's zero tailpipe emissions, but you.

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Speaker 3: Know, in the electric comer isn't.

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Speaker 2: No and you know, getting those you know, children to

466
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Speaker 2: mine your cobalt for you probably isn't very esg either.

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Speaker 2: So I mean I get the concern about big gas

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Speaker 2: and diesel vehicles.

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Speaker 3: And what kind of mileage are you getting? Do you

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Speaker 3: know the diesel.

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Speaker 2: Miles per gallon? I'm looking car and driver says nineteen

472
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Speaker 2: miles per gallon on the highway. That sounds about right,

473
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Speaker 2: you know. In my gasoline Raptor, I was getting thirteen

474
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Speaker 2: miles per gallon, and my Challenger right now I get

475
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Speaker 2: about twelve, so it's not so bad. The impressive thing

476
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Speaker 2: with the Chevy Silverado HD ZR two is going to

477
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Speaker 2: be the range because it's got the diesel, and it's

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Speaker 2: also got the biggest tank of any of these. It's

479
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Speaker 2: got a thirty six gallon tank, so you know you're

480
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Speaker 2: gonna be able to drive six hundred miles on a tank,

481
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Speaker 2: maybe close to a thousand on a tank, no problem.

482
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Speaker 2: And that's something I'd really like to try out. I

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Speaker 2: like these big trucks because you can just munch miles

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Speaker 2: across US highways.

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Speaker 1: You know, this reminds me of I actually drove up

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Speaker 1: to OHI some months ago and I other oh Hi, California,

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Speaker 1: Oh oh high yes, north north from Los Angeles, and

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Speaker 1: I it was to look at a different car, to

489
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Speaker 1: look at a Jaguar, but they had an old Chevy

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Speaker 1: truck for sale that looked like it was about twenty

491
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Speaker 1: feet long, and I just.

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Speaker 3: Drove it because I thought it was so cool.

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Speaker 1: It was like two tone brown and cream, you know,

494
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Speaker 1: like nineteen seventies era, super cool truck. But I knew

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Speaker 1: the minute I got in and took off, I knew

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Speaker 1: I could never have it because I could not park

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Speaker 1: it anywhere. I mean, they would just be impossible to part.

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Speaker 1: Is that how you feel well with this?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? I mean I had that exact problem when I

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Speaker 2: drove into work today. I couldn't park it in the

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Speaker 2: garage that I normally park in and I and I

502
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Speaker 2: used to park my Raptor there and I parked my

503
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Speaker 2: fifteen hundred ZR two there, no problem. So this thing

504
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Speaker 2: is even bigger than that. Parking is a problem. But

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Speaker 2: I'm glad you bring up the older trucks because take

506
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Speaker 2: a gander down, bring a trailer, and you'll see some

507
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Speaker 2: really cool old pickups. I just saw a listed a

508
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Speaker 2: Bronco from I think the eighties with a seven point

509
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Speaker 2: three literer of Godzilla shoehorned into it. So you see

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Speaker 2: a lot of really cool cars like that people do

511
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Speaker 2: like these old trucks and old SUVs.

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Speaker 1: Yes, and you know Randy Naannenberg, the one of the

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Speaker 1: founders that Bring a Trailer, has a real soft spot

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Speaker 1: for these trucks.

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Speaker 3: He owned some of them. He's sent me photos of them.

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Speaker 1: We need to get him on the on the show

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Speaker 1: to talk trucks with us because he I happen to

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Speaker 1: know he seecret collects them and really has a soft

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00:26:02,520 --> 00:26:05,960
Speaker 1: spot for him. Sorry, so I'll make a pin in that. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,

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00:26:06,240 --> 00:26:06,800
Speaker 1: matter of time.

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Speaker 2: Let's just talk about what's coming up ahead. In the

522
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Speaker 2: weeks ahead. I know you're going to go and drive

523
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Speaker 2: a special Porsche again, and I want our listeners to

524
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Speaker 2: get a little taste of what that is all about.

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Speaker 3: Yees.

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Speaker 1: So, a couple weeks ago in December, Porsche set a

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Speaker 1: record for this is very obscure, but it's for the

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Speaker 1: highest road going vehicle. They actually went down to Chili

529
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Speaker 1: and drove a nine to eleven Carrera four s up

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Speaker 1: up a mountain over twenty two thousand feet in the air,

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Speaker 1: and this apparently set a record. So they've said, I

532
00:26:43,640 --> 00:26:46,480
Speaker 1: can go drive that very vehicle with apparently some of

533
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Speaker 1: the dust still on it out in Malivu next Tuesday,

534
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Speaker 1: so I'm going to do that. I guess it's an

535
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Speaker 1: off road course, so that'll be really fun. I'm looking

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Speaker 1: forward to that it goes.

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Speaker 2: I love off Roady Porschas. Yeah, I love the dec car,

538
00:27:00,160 --> 00:27:02,920
Speaker 2: although it's ridiculously expensive. I wish they would come out

539
00:27:02,920 --> 00:27:04,640
Speaker 2: with a more consumer friendly version of that.

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Speaker 3: I'm still upset I didn't get to go on that

541
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Speaker 3: press drive.

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Speaker 1: You know, we can't say yes to everything, apparently, but

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Speaker 1: I think they did it in Morocco.

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Speaker 2: Always say yes Inco.

545
00:27:14,680 --> 00:27:17,320
Speaker 1: I know, I know, I know. I'm still regretting that.

546
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Speaker 1: What do you have coming up? That you're driving well

547
00:27:20,320 --> 00:27:20,800
Speaker 1: more truck?

548
00:27:21,000 --> 00:27:24,639
Speaker 2: Because of the uh, you know, the lightning issues in

549
00:27:24,680 --> 00:27:26,840
Speaker 2: the news over the last couple of weeks, how they

550
00:27:26,840 --> 00:27:30,000
Speaker 2: cut production in half and the huge loss that Ford

551
00:27:30,119 --> 00:27:33,119
Speaker 2: took on electric vehicles in twenty twenty three, I remembered

552
00:27:33,119 --> 00:27:35,960
Speaker 2: that I'd never driven it. So I want to drive

553
00:27:36,040 --> 00:27:40,080
Speaker 2: the Ford F one fifty Lightning and uh and see

554
00:27:40,080 --> 00:27:41,840
Speaker 2: what I think about that vehicle. I'm sure I'm going

555
00:27:41,920 --> 00:27:44,159
Speaker 2: to be impressed because it's, you know, one hundred thousand

556
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Speaker 2: dollars vehicle and all said and done, and if you

557
00:27:45,840 --> 00:27:48,160
Speaker 2: can't impress me with a one hundred thousand dollars truck,

558
00:27:48,200 --> 00:27:51,280
Speaker 2: then you've got to. Yeah. But I also want to

559
00:27:51,359 --> 00:27:55,080
Speaker 2: drive some more Ford vehicles. I've never driven their power

560
00:27:55,160 --> 00:27:58,160
Speaker 2: stroke diesel, which I want to try out. And I'd

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Speaker 2: love to drive the new Mustang. Have you driven the

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Speaker 2: new Mustang?

563
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Speaker 1: No?

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Speaker 3: I really want to. That's on my list of must

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Speaker 3: do for twenty twenty four.

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Speaker 2: Jim Farley, you know, his new podcast is premiering like

567
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Speaker 2: next week, and I went back and listened to the

568
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Speaker 2: Mustang episode that he had, which is really cool because

569
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Speaker 2: that guy has been a diehard Mustang fan since he

570
00:28:18,680 --> 00:28:21,479
Speaker 2: was like in his teens or maybe younger, so like

571
00:28:21,520 --> 00:28:26,080
Speaker 2: that he knows everything about every generation. And I was thinking, like,

572
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Speaker 2: there's a lot of people who poo poo the newer ones.

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Speaker 2: They don't like the technology advancements. They don't like really

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Speaker 2: the progress that I guess, if you want to call

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Speaker 2: it progress that's made. I'm usually in that camp, But

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Speaker 2: I figure with a guy like that at the Helm,

577
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Speaker 2: it's going to be good.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I mean, you can't question his credentials. And you know,

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00:28:43,680 --> 00:28:47,320
Speaker 1: sometimes I cringe that, like there's no real definition of

581
00:28:47,680 --> 00:28:51,600
Speaker 1: car guy. That doesn't actually mean anything, and it doesn't

582
00:28:51,640 --> 00:28:55,080
Speaker 1: mean you're good at anything or honest or anything. It

583
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Speaker 1: does no meaning, But there is something to be said

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Speaker 1: because that about Jim Farley, because we know, oh he's

585
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Speaker 1: got the juice when it comes to Mustangs.

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Speaker 3: Whatever that even means.

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Speaker 2: All right, well, that does it for this episode of

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Speaker 2: Hot Pursuit. I should point out you can follow me

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Speaker 2: on Instagram at Matt Miller in nineteen seventy three.

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Speaker 1: And you can follow me on Instagram at Hannah Elliott

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Speaker 1: XO two l's two teeth.

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Speaker 3: Two of everything.

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Speaker 1: I would also mention we're working on getting something together

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Speaker 1: so that we can hear from you guys.

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Speaker 3: We want to set up.

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Speaker 1: An email and maybe even a voice recording because we

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Speaker 1: do want to hear what you guys think and what

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Speaker 1: you want us to talk about.

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Speaker 3: So stay tuned for that.

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Speaker 2: Cool. I'm Matt Miller and

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Speaker 3: I'm Hannah Elliott, and this is Bloomberg