Speaker 1: It's three thirty am in the abandoned offices of Dr
Speaker 1: Simon Orion in Beverly Hills, and you're listening Tonight Call.
Speaker 1: Welcome to Nightcall, a call in show for our dystopian reality.
Speaker 1: I'm Emily Oshida. I am in Los Angeles as always,
Speaker 1: and with me on the other line are Molly Lambert
Speaker 1: and Tess Lynch. Hello, Hello, and Happy plastic surgery April
Speaker 1: to everybody. Happy plastic surgery April. We're finally out of
Speaker 1: spring break. We're down with spring break. Springbreak is over.
Speaker 1: To quote the Governor of Florida or the mayor of Miami,
Speaker 1: I can't remember which. Um. We are going into our
Speaker 1: new theme month about plastic surgery, but not just plastic
Speaker 1: surge dree cosmetic procedures of all kinds and and physical
Speaker 1: rebirth of all kinds, physical reinvention. Maybe that's like a
Speaker 1: good way to think about it. I am. We plan
Speaker 1: this obviously long ago, before our pandemic days, but I
Speaker 1: still think we're pretty psyched to delve into the world
Speaker 1: of cosmetic procedures for the month of April, because April
Speaker 1: is all about rebirth when you think about it. Springtime, Yeah, baby,
Speaker 1: chickens hatching um New faces hatching, New Faces hatching story.
Speaker 1: I know I've been saying that it's a great time
Speaker 1: for the birds to take over, that the birds should
Speaker 1: do the birds right now. I read that birds are
Speaker 1: actually having to sing less loud now because they're not
Speaker 1: having to like scream over human beings as much anymore.
Speaker 1: What yeah you heard me? Are they whispering? No? But
Speaker 1: normally they have to out over traffic and over humans,
Speaker 1: and now they can just sort of sing in a
Speaker 1: more natural tone. They don't have to yell over us.
Speaker 1: I love that for them too. She also wrote a
Speaker 1: story about how birds speech is just like human speech,
Speaker 1: how it like baby birds babble in the same way
Speaker 1: that human babies do and then learn all the calls
Speaker 1: and stuff. That's very cute. Um, well, I think we
Speaker 1: all feel kind of like baby birds right now, like
Speaker 1: kind of you know, not used to outside and blinking
Speaker 1: and covered and fluid. Um, And we can't go anywhere,
Speaker 1: we can't fly. Yeah, we'll fall out of our apartments
Speaker 1: if we try to leave, to stay at home and
Speaker 1: feed each other worms. Yeah. Um so. Plastic surgery April,
Speaker 1: Cosmetic procedure April. However, you want to call it. It's
Speaker 1: obviously it's a little bit difficult right now to um
Speaker 1: partake of any of these procedures. Although I did have
Speaker 1: the thought as as soon as this all started to
Speaker 1: really become real here, Um, that it would be an
Speaker 1: incredible time to to do your your recovery from a
Speaker 1: any kind of major surgical procedure. It would have would
Speaker 1: have would have been a great time to to get
Speaker 1: your nose done, if that's what you wanted, because nobody
Speaker 1: will remember what you used to look like by the
Speaker 1: time everyone gets out. Kylie, who I'm sure we'll come
Speaker 1: up during this month a lot. She said that her
Speaker 1: social media absence, where she was off social media the
Speaker 1: whole time she was pregnant, it was like helped her
Speaker 1: to prepare for the coronavirus lockdown, being like that's the
Speaker 1: only way she could envision not being on social media
Speaker 1: limited activity. She hid in her house all the time
Speaker 1: so that there wouldn't be any photos of her pregnant
Speaker 1: the whole time. That's so deranged. It's I've said this before,
Speaker 1: but I would like there to be a Sofia Coppola
Speaker 1: movie about this. Kylie just wandering the grounds, Um, that's
Speaker 1: kind of what the New Drake videos like. He's just
Speaker 1: wandering the winter palace. If only we all had winter
Speaker 1: palaces to wander. Um. Well, um, one person got in
Speaker 1: there their injections right before the ship really hit the fan. Um.
Speaker 1: I think it's pretty well known now about Kelly rippas
Speaker 1: um last minute coronavirus botox session that she got. I
Speaker 1: think on Friday the thirteenth, which I think of is
Speaker 1: kind of well I think of I now think of
Speaker 1: like the eleventh as being the first, as like as
Speaker 1: being like day one, because I did Tom Hanks get it.
Speaker 1: That's the tom That's the Tom Hanks day. That's the
Speaker 1: NBA day. We've discussed this on here. That's the day.
Speaker 1: I think. So this was like two days after that,
Speaker 1: still early in all this, but still like like I
Speaker 1: I will be, I'm gonna have a lot of radical
Speaker 1: transparency this month. Um. But but just for starters, I
Speaker 1: did have a microderm uh scheduled for Friday, and I
Speaker 1: canceled it because I had a haircut and a facial
Speaker 1: on the same day and I decided to get the haircut. Um.
Speaker 1: It was a Sophie's choice of vanity, and I think
Speaker 1: I made the right choice. Um, not that any of
Speaker 1: it matters. That's what's funny about it. It's like so
Speaker 1: so that people can stay groomed, like while they're posting
Speaker 1: from quarantine. That's it. That's the only reason. And stay
Speaker 1: tune for so many things too. Martha Stewart posted like
Speaker 1: an ode to all of her beauty team today being like,
Speaker 1: I missed getting my nails done, I missed getting my
Speaker 1: hair done, like I miss like going to my dermatologist
Speaker 1: and just sort of being like, don't don't try to
Speaker 1: do this and don't try to do it yourself, just
Speaker 1: basically what she said, we'll try. You tried to do
Speaker 1: it yourself. Yeah, I don't care. I mean, that's this
Speaker 1: is my thing, is that I I really don't care
Speaker 1: what I look like at all at this point in
Speaker 1: my life. I'm sure I'll change back. Um. I go
Speaker 1: through phases. But yeah, I cut my bangs. No, first
Speaker 1: I cut split ends. I was outside, which was when
Speaker 1: I was talking about my about this with my mom.
Speaker 1: She was like, but where was the mirror And I
Speaker 1: was like, no, there was no mirror. It was nature nature. Um.
Speaker 1: And then I did my bangs and I didn't like
Speaker 1: how I did my bangs. But I'm living with that.
Speaker 1: And then I was like, what if I just cut
Speaker 1: like an inch off my hair? How hard could it
Speaker 1: be to make that look great? And it turns out
Speaker 1: like a little harder than I can handle the answer
Speaker 1: now it just flips out at the bottom. You're not
Speaker 1: the only person I know who's cut bangs. Lain Con
Speaker 1: always cut my own bangs. I I didn't cut them
Speaker 1: from scratch. That's great, Well, Laine Con gave herself bangs
Speaker 1: are gastolene um. I just think a lot of people
Speaker 1: you get the cabin fever and then you want to
Speaker 1: take it out on yourself in some way. Well, you
Speaker 1: want to change something, and I think that getting bangs
Speaker 1: is one of the easiest ways to make a big change.
Speaker 1: And you're like a breakup haircut because it's like a traumatic,
Speaker 1: traumatic incident, so people are like trying to reassert control.
Speaker 1: It's more just that you know that no one will see,
Speaker 1: so it doesn't really matter. Like the worst thing about
Speaker 1: when you cut your own bangs and you screw them
Speaker 1: up and then you realize the next day that you
Speaker 1: have to like go to work or go to coffee
Speaker 1: and like see people and they're going to know exactly
Speaker 1: what you did, but you don't want to talk about it,
Speaker 1: and neither today. But it's like we can all acknowledge
Speaker 1: like it doesn't look good. We could lean into that
Speaker 1: more too. My boyfriend did a Joe exotic mustache, UM,
Speaker 1: and I love it. You love it? Yeah. My question was,
Speaker 1: how do you feel about that? I'm so into it.
Speaker 1: I'm like mustaches. Um. But also he was like trying
Speaker 1: to get me to give him a Travis Pickle haircut
Speaker 1: as a fun joke, and I was like, I'll do it,
Speaker 1: I'll do it. And then like two hours later he's like,
Speaker 1: are we doing it? And I was like, I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't think I can do it right now? Too late. Um. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean I think that everybody, like I think that
Speaker 1: it's a very natural thing to want to change your
Speaker 1: appearance when like when out of boredom or out of
Speaker 1: like a seeming lack of control over anything else. You know.
Speaker 1: I feel like it's a total trope for like the
Speaker 1: cutting the hair out of out of angst in a
Speaker 1: movie like um, girl shaves her head or whatever. Um
Speaker 1: if this very um, it's like a troope at this point. Um, yeah,
Speaker 1: but we can't. Like I I just imagine, like, I mean,
Speaker 1: people are getting like at least at least injections, Like
Speaker 1: people are probably getting house calls for that. Don't you
Speaker 1: think ends on? Do you have to be super super
Speaker 1: wealthy to get that? Right now, I imagine the Kardashians
Speaker 1: have somebody on the team. Well, you were saying you
Speaker 1: thought that that Kim was like losing her losing her
Speaker 1: face or something, and well, I think her face always
Speaker 1: looks weird in motion because it's like so many different
Speaker 1: faces layered on top of each other. It's just you know,
Speaker 1: like all the Kardashian surgery faces, it's like it's made
Speaker 1: for still photographs and whenever you see it in motion,
Speaker 1: it's like very uncanny. Yeah, well there's also the face
Speaker 1: that's made for photographs also just doesn't look great in
Speaker 1: real life even still. You know, like there's something that
Speaker 1: you can see what's been done. You can see which
Speaker 1: parts move in which parts don't. So it's really distracting
Speaker 1: when you're talking with someone who's had a ton of
Speaker 1: work done because it just jumps out at you, but
Speaker 1: in photos it doesn't. Yeah. Now, I've had a few
Speaker 1: occasions where I've like gotten lunch and Beverly Hills after
Speaker 1: a meeting or something like that. And then you see
Speaker 1: like one of the real extreme jobs come in and
Speaker 1: it's somebody like in a picture. If I saw it,
Speaker 1: like if that person was like a minor celebrity or something,
Speaker 1: I saw him in a in like US Weekly or whatever,
Speaker 1: I wouldn't think anything of their face. But in person,
Speaker 1: I'm just like, WHOA, that's not how a human normally looks.
Speaker 1: It's very yeah, it's very much made for photographs. It's
Speaker 1: very much not made for for face to face. Isn't
Speaker 1: that strange? Wouldn't you rather look good in life than
Speaker 1: in a picture? I guess it depends on how like
Speaker 1: like the ratio of of your interactions, Like if you're
Speaker 1: somebody who people who the vast majority of people in
Speaker 1: the world interact with via photographs or Instagram or something
Speaker 1: like that, then then maybe you you do you run
Speaker 1: the calculation, and it's worth it to look a natural
Speaker 1: in person if you look ideal over these different channels,
Speaker 1: Like I don't know, I mean, I think you know,
Speaker 1: there was a moment where we crossed a threshold into
Speaker 1: like very young people getting plastic surgery, which I had
Speaker 1: always existed in some form, but you know, the joke
Speaker 1: of it was Kylie, right, Like I was reading this Klie,
Speaker 1: but like you know, like Marilyn Monroe got a no
Speaker 1: shop when she was young, like people get no shops
Speaker 1: when they're younger, but this was more like people doing
Speaker 1: stuff that's like traditionally was like anti aging stuff. Associate. Yeah,
Speaker 1: talks like remember when lip injections were like the joke
Speaker 1: from First Wives Club or it was just an Angelina
Speaker 1: Jolie thing or something like that was like even though
Speaker 1: I don't think she even has them by people, she
Speaker 1: doesn't have them, but it was like everybody was her
Speaker 1: mouth or something. Well, the Kylie thing also was obviously
Speaker 1: part of like the Kardashians general thing of like appropriating
Speaker 1: uh black pete and white washing it and I get
Speaker 1: the butt in the lips and then yeah, you're good
Speaker 1: to go. It's yeah, I mean the Kylie stuff. I
Speaker 1: will say, we can kind of go around and maybe
Speaker 1: get into our general added it's going into all of this.
Speaker 1: I tend to be pretty agnostic about all of it
Speaker 1: and kind of like do what thou will about plastic surgery.
Speaker 1: But I do find the stuff with like really young people.
Speaker 1: And I do find like Kylie to be pretty depressing,
Speaker 1: just because I don't know, Like I it's such a
Speaker 1: it's not even like uh an enhancement of something that
Speaker 1: exists already. It's like getting a whole new It's like
Speaker 1: getting a shirt, but like a shirt you have to
Speaker 1: wear all the time, or something like a completely like
Speaker 1: like it. It has nothing to do with what she
Speaker 1: looks like, right, but it's it's like, I just feel
Speaker 1: like she's in such a weird specific greenhouse for this
Speaker 1: to happen, which is just like her mom is essentially
Speaker 1: like running a cult of which she is one of
Speaker 1: the cult members. And I was really hopeful she would
Speaker 1: be the one who would break away and be like
Speaker 1: more like Courtney, but just even more like I don't
Speaker 1: want any part of this, you know. But obviously because
Speaker 1: everybody called her the ugly one, that was the whole thing.
Speaker 1: She was like the ugly one, especially compared to Kendall,
Speaker 1: where everybody was like Kendall's a model. Just reminded me
Speaker 1: of that y a book Jacob have I loved. You know,
Speaker 1: it's like your sister's perfect and you suck and in
Speaker 1: the Kardashian economy of attention that means like, we hate
Speaker 1: you because you get the least attention. And then she
Speaker 1: got the lip injections and completely changed everything about herself
Speaker 1: and became the most popular one by sort of like
Speaker 1: beating him at her own game and being like, I'm
Speaker 1: like you, but younger. Yeah, And there's something like and
Speaker 1: she's totally rewarded for it too. It's like nobody, I
Speaker 1: mean obviously people are like like, oh, it's so obviously
Speaker 1: what she's gotten done, but like she's still the most
Speaker 1: popular person, and like I can't get a handle on
Speaker 1: even what the appeal is of her. Really, I don't
Speaker 1: think anyone it's like, Okay, so like any woman has
Speaker 1: had the experience of like being treated better when you're
Speaker 1: wearing makeup, you know. I think it's like that on
Speaker 1: like a grand scale. It's like people are going to
Speaker 1: treat you better if you're hot because they think that
Speaker 1: the aura of hotness and success will rub off on
Speaker 1: them in some way. Um Like, I feel like there
Speaker 1: have just been times in my life when there was
Speaker 1: like some kind of inflated attention for something that had
Speaker 1: nothing to do with me, where you're aware that it's
Speaker 1: not really about you. But if you change something physically
Speaker 1: about yourself forever and then you're also like, but it's
Speaker 1: not really mine, that just seems like a mind fuck. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think that. I think about that, especially with like
Speaker 1: housewives and stuff, like at a certain point, like do
Speaker 1: you even still like how like I'm talking about real housewives,
Speaker 1: Like at what point do you just not recognize yourself
Speaker 1: in the mirror and then like like you're having a
Speaker 1: split of personality based on this other, like this different
Speaker 1: looking person that you've created. I don't know, this is
Speaker 1: all very interesting. I think there's people who get plastic
Speaker 1: sur tree with like a specific outcome in mind. You know,
Speaker 1: they're like, my face doesn't look the way I imagine
Speaker 1: it looking, and then they like do something and it does. Maybe.
Speaker 1: But I also think there's a type of person who's
Speaker 1: especially abetted by social media, who gets addicted to plastic
Speaker 1: surgery and just getting whatever the new thing is because
Speaker 1: they're always introducing new procedures that you can get um
Speaker 1: And I think those people will never be happy because
Speaker 1: it'll just never be enough. It's like you're always going
Speaker 1: to still feel bad about yourself because you're not like
Speaker 1: fixing the real problem, which is low self esteem. Yeah. Um, well,
Speaker 1: we're going to take a break real quick. When we
Speaker 1: come back, we're going to do a brief chicken on
Speaker 1: pandemic times and then more plastic surgery. Welcome back to
Speaker 1: night Call. Um, So, our listener Brian Early, who's a
Speaker 1: public health physician who was on the show a couple
Speaker 1: of weeks ago, gave us a nightcall just to sort
Speaker 1: of fill in some of the questions we had last
Speaker 1: week about what we are allowed to do right now. Um,
Speaker 1: so we're going to just play that and uh and discuss. Hi, guys,
Speaker 1: this is Dr Brian Early in Denver. I'm calling in
Speaker 1: to respond to your coronavirus questions from last week. First off,
Speaker 1: Molly's right, the delivery drivers, grocery store workers, and sanitation
Speaker 1: folks are on the front lines of the coronavirus response.
Speaker 1: They're the ones making it possible for us to practice
Speaker 1: social distancing and frankly, by the time people are showing
Speaker 1: up at the hospital feeling sick, the horses out of
Speaker 1: the barn. As far as take out, restaurant workers generally
Speaker 1: have much better food handling practices than people cooking in
Speaker 1: their home so take out is likely very safe, and
Speaker 1: while the rest of getting coronavirus from packaging or other
Speaker 1: surfaces is in zero. To cause his zse, the virus
Speaker 1: is hanging out in the cardboard, would have to survive
Speaker 1: shipping and temperature swing, get transferred to your hand, and
Speaker 1: then make it up into your eyes or the interior
Speaker 1: of your nose. That's a long hazardous trip for a virus,
Speaker 1: and much less likely than droplets from sneeze or cough
Speaker 1: and make it into your airway. Instacrat workers and other
Speaker 1: delivery drivers are probably much higher risk from coronavirus and
Speaker 1: people able to remain at home, But from a population perspective,
Speaker 1: it may actually be better to expose this small number
Speaker 1: of people who can only get sick once each than
Speaker 1: having every person go to the story individually. In the
Speaker 1: same way, many clinics will choose a small number of
Speaker 1: people to do all their coronavirus testing. Um all these
Speaker 1: high risk workers have a right to a fair wage,
Speaker 1: though and appropriate protection in their workplace. Finally, I want
Speaker 1: to emphasize the importance of doing things that support mental health,
Speaker 1: including finding ways to go outside. In fact, air currents
Speaker 1: and UV radiation from the sun probably make interactions outdoors
Speaker 1: safer than indoors, especially when keeping a good distance between
Speaker 1: people and not sharing objects. Thank you, guys, Let's stay
Speaker 1: safe out there. So I feel like we have permission
Speaker 1: to go for a walk. I'm gonna say this is
Speaker 1: my question, which is not exactly answered. So this is
Speaker 1: like more questions for either a doctor earlier whomever. Now
Speaker 1: that we're all supposed to be wearing masks, not medical,
Speaker 1: great mass, but cloth masks. Should we wear those on walks?
Speaker 1: Because I really don't want to, and so I'm looking
Speaker 1: for justification to not. But at the same time, I
Speaker 1: mean people say that when um, other people are exercising,
Speaker 1: if you encounter a runner or something, you're supposed to
Speaker 1: give an extra four feet for a total of ten
Speaker 1: ft between you. Uh and but so obviously I guess
Speaker 1: it would be safer to wear a mask. But I'm
Speaker 1: finding the mask so uncomfortable, you guys. I mean, I'm
Speaker 1: wearing them as much and whenever I go into a store,
Speaker 1: which is very infrequently, I wear them. But they're so uncomfortable.
Speaker 1: Uh So, yeah, my understanding is that you kind of
Speaker 1: you have to wear them if you're outside of your
Speaker 1: own environment. Basically even walking I think so. I mean,
Speaker 1: I also see so many people walking my I tweeted
Speaker 1: about this, but my street has basically turned into like
Speaker 1: running into which is really annoying. Sorry, So there's so
Speaker 1: many people out and and and I've watched the trends
Speaker 1: in in a social distancing and and protective gear change,
Speaker 1: and now pretty much everybody is wearing masks out there.
Speaker 1: And I don't think it's a bad idea, especially because
Speaker 1: sometimes you are on a narrower street and like if
Speaker 1: a runner goes by, you definitely have the breeze of
Speaker 1: that person. It's so stressful there. I think it's a
Speaker 1: better safe than sorry situation, and that you know, we
Speaker 1: probably should have been normalizing wearing the masks for weeks already,
Speaker 1: and that we're just getting on it now sort of
Speaker 1: par for the course of how fucked up the whole
Speaker 1: thing has been. But I think the science is not
Speaker 1: People just don't know. Fully. I read something scary yesterday.
Speaker 1: It was like, oh, also, maybe it's transmitted by breathing
Speaker 1: and talking. I mean, it seems clear that it is
Speaker 1: because of the choir. The choir thing is I mean,
Speaker 1: I feel bad for all those people there but I
Speaker 1: would say, even without having read a single article about this,
Speaker 1: a choir seems like the worst place to go in
Speaker 1: a pandemic because everybody's breathing loudly, which is also known
Speaker 1: as singing. Right, well, I think if they had just
Speaker 1: come out with stronger advice about this in the first place,
Speaker 1: if they had heard on the side of scaring people
Speaker 1: more rather than trying to make this insane terrifying thing
Speaker 1: seemed less scary, which is like, didn't work at all. Um, Yeah,
Speaker 1: we just we should have We should have looked at
Speaker 1: what other countries did that were successful. My mom is
Speaker 1: in a choir, and she they canceled her choir practice
Speaker 1: pretty early on. I feel like it was around that
Speaker 1: May eleventh time or Marchial line time or something. But
Speaker 1: they've been doing zoom meetings, Like I don't think they've
Speaker 1: been doing actual practice, but I think they've just been
Speaker 1: doing it as a meet up because it was like
Speaker 1: such a big kind of social gathering too, so which
Speaker 1: is good. But shout out to Emily's mom, big supporter
Speaker 1: of the pods. Listening right now, all gardening man. My
Speaker 1: parents told me they talked to my great aunt who's
Speaker 1: like the last of the sort of Holocaust escapees and
Speaker 1: my family. Her name is Friedle. She's awesome and she
Speaker 1: is in like a retirement home where they had to
Speaker 1: isolate everybody, you know. But they said they talked to
Speaker 1: her on the phone and that she was like I'm okay.
Speaker 1: So that to me has been like, well, if she
Speaker 1: can like be okay about it, you know, she's obviously
Speaker 1: lived through worse. So yeah, that's the attitude I'm taking
Speaker 1: to it. I am this is this is slightly off topic,
Speaker 1: but I watched it's on Criterion. I watched UM Cover
Speaker 1: Girl last night. It's like this Charles vied Or Technicolor
Speaker 1: musical at Jen Kelly and Rita Hayworth in it, like
Speaker 1: perfect fluff. I was taking your que Molly of just watching.
Speaker 1: That's all I've been doing. It's watching musical TCM, not
Speaker 1: for dark too. It's always fair Weather. It's actually really cynical,
Speaker 1: but it's still like cynical about television, so it actually
Speaker 1: feels on brand. Well. Cover Girl is like a ninety four,
Speaker 1: like right, you know, Peak Warriors, um musical, and there's
Speaker 1: this whole number in it that I posted on my
Speaker 1: Twitter about rationing that I just thought was so charming
Speaker 1: because the attitude was like, yeah, like I don't know,
Speaker 1: Like I know, it sucks stating in and everything and
Speaker 1: like not being able to get certain things. But if
Speaker 1: I think about doing that for like like four years
Speaker 1: or however long that the war effort was truly underway
Speaker 1: and like you know, on the home front. I know
Speaker 1: all these words because I had the Molly doll, the
Speaker 1: American goal doll, which about but like a Victory gardens
Speaker 1: she had. I always was mad that her name was
Speaker 1: Molly because I thought she was the most boring one,
Speaker 1: the best funky, and she was. She always had a scheme.
Speaker 1: She always like, if your name is Molly and you're
Speaker 1: like a nerd with glasses, you don't want Molly to glasses. See.
Speaker 1: I thought she was the coolest because she had the
Speaker 1: glass the glasses. It was so cool to have a
Speaker 1: doll with glasses and they were really cool wire rimmed glasses.
Speaker 1: I can't believe you guys had the doll. Oh. I
Speaker 1: had like so many of the dolls, and then I
Speaker 1: really went for Yeah, I think I had three. I
Speaker 1: had Felicity, Addie and Molly. And now I'm also showing
Speaker 1: how uncool I am that I was totally getting these
Speaker 1: dolls when I was like older than I collectors items. No,
Speaker 1: I know, this was like for playing with dolls, and
Speaker 1: I had their beds and stuff. And then my mom
Speaker 1: saved them and sent them to me for my daughter,
Speaker 1: and she made this big thing like, don't give her
Speaker 1: Molly until she's old enough to appreciate. Was like, but
Speaker 1: the other ones, it doesn't matter. She was like, no,
Speaker 1: the Molly dolls the best doll. I didn't own the dolls,
Speaker 1: but I remember like pouring over the catalog I did,
Speaker 1: just like all the tiny stuff and looking at it
Speaker 1: and reading the books. I've also been thinking that the
Speaker 1: Francis Hodgden Burnett books, which are like Victorian asceticism. Little
Speaker 1: Princess is like a very good, get you through hard
Speaker 1: times book because it's all all about just like going
Speaker 1: from having a lot of stuff to having nothing and
Speaker 1: being okay about it. Yeah. I was. I was really
Speaker 1: really into a Little Princess. Yeah, before the movie, and
Speaker 1: then I was in a musical Little Princess, and I
Speaker 1: was like, twelve, can I recommend a Very Nightcall movie
Speaker 1: also that I watched on t C M M. I'm
Speaker 1: married a Witch starring Veronica Lake and Frederick March directed
Speaker 1: I Renee Claire. It is like very much a proto
Speaker 1: love which type movie? Um, and Emily, I saw you
Speaker 1: reposted Annabeller posting that you can substitute eggs with blood
Speaker 1: to make a cake. Annabyll on to know more nice
Speaker 1: looking red velvet cake. Yeah, I'm married. I'm married. A
Speaker 1: Witch is like it's just for onical because this like
Speaker 1: sassy like witch who just you know, does a spell
Speaker 1: on this guy to make her fall in love with her,
Speaker 1: make hi fall in love with her. But it's got
Speaker 1: a lot of weird sight gags. I just enjoyed it.
Speaker 1: It's just silly nice. Yeah, we keep meaning to talk
Speaker 1: about this every week, but I think we keep forgetting.
Speaker 1: I need to know what you guys are cooking, by
Speaker 1: the way, for the pandemic cooking update, because every time
Speaker 1: we talk about scary stuff um with regards to the pandemic,
Speaker 1: I feel like we need to take a minute. If
Speaker 1: there's anything you're eating to share, definitely, Um. I well,
Speaker 1: I think I shared this on the pod, but I've
Speaker 1: been going to India Sweets and Spices, which is like
Speaker 1: a local Indian grocery here an outwater village and they're
Speaker 1: really sweet there. They've got you know, everything that you
Speaker 1: need to make a ship ton of Indian food, just
Speaker 1: like mass amounts. So I think the best thing I
Speaker 1: made recently was some doll um with a modified recipe
Speaker 1: from Chowhound. So if you want to look that up, um, yeah,
Speaker 1: but I have, like, I mean, I had everything to
Speaker 1: like really do it. So I had like the key,
Speaker 1: I had all the spices and everything, and it was
Speaker 1: really really good. So that sounds amazing. Yea um a
Speaker 1: little I Molly gave me potatoes. I did a barter.
Speaker 1: It was really fun Um. I was nervous that I
Speaker 1: had like breathed into the air and it was hanging
Speaker 1: there while you retrieved. It was so funny, I said.
Speaker 1: It was like the Jackie Brown drop off. But it
Speaker 1: was like test standing at her front door with her
Speaker 1: kids and like me standing at the curb, and then
Speaker 1: like I came forward and dropped the bag and then
Speaker 1: ran back, and then she came forward and it almost
Speaker 1: went over the line. And TOUCH was like, I mean, no,
Speaker 1: he can be you know, the social distancing. Explaining that
Speaker 1: to like, you know, in particular, my seven year old
Speaker 1: has been a challenge because like on walks he'll be like, oh,
Speaker 1: look a dog, and I'm like, no, I have been
Speaker 1: having so much fun with these potatoes. I could not
Speaker 1: find potatoes for some reason, and then Molly gave me some, um,
Speaker 1: and I think they're like it's one of those weird
Speaker 1: things where it just depends on when you go to
Speaker 1: the market. I guess, like I I go sometimes and
Speaker 1: they have like no milk, no eggs, and then the
Speaker 1: next time I go they have like no poultry. Um.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I was having trouble finding potatoes and then
Speaker 1: Molly gave me potatoes and it made a really good
Speaker 1: hash with Friday so good, so thank you. I found
Speaker 1: at Cafe Tropical is running a grocery um saying get
Speaker 1: eggs there. So oh, but did you guys hear that
Speaker 1: they may be stopping restaurants from doing that. It makes
Speaker 1: me so upset. It's because I read that. Yeah, Barbara Ferrer,
Speaker 1: who is I think the county health person um has
Speaker 1: said that because they don't have grocery licenses, they're going
Speaker 1: to start cracking down on restaurants that are selling groceries,
Speaker 1: which has been one of the best things most like
Speaker 1: resourceful and helpful. That's done. So they're not gonna stop
Speaker 1: grocery stop restaurants from letting you pick up delivery just
Speaker 1: from buying groceries there. It's going to be that they
Speaker 1: have to be preparing, like they have to be selling
Speaker 1: food that's prepared as opposed to selling grocery items are panting.
Speaker 1: They need to they need to make a temporary suspension
Speaker 1: of that law because that's going to be so much waste.
Speaker 1: Then it's so much waste, and it's so it's the
Speaker 1: only way that a lot of these small businesses are
Speaker 1: staying that float. Well. It's funny because I've seen people
Speaker 1: being like, look at how much like milk is getting
Speaker 1: wasted because it can't be like all used or delivered correctly. Basically,
Speaker 1: it was just about how there's like all this food
Speaker 1: waste because the supply chain being sucked up. But then
Speaker 1: people were like, hey, I've got some news for you
Speaker 1: about grocery stores, like they all do that every day.
Speaker 1: I keep thinking that if there's one thing that we
Speaker 1: can continue to take with us from this, it would
Speaker 1: have been having you know, small like independently owned restaurants
Speaker 1: being able to sell groceries and pantry items instead of
Speaker 1: having people just rely on grocery stores. It seems like
Speaker 1: such a mutually beneficial and sustainable thing to do. So
Speaker 1: it was I was shocked. I mean, I was like,
Speaker 1: grocery lobby is cracking down. They closed down the Brentwood
Speaker 1: Farmers Market because Katherine Schwarzenegger complained. Yes, so Katherine Schwarzenegger
Speaker 1: get on the phone with Dr Ferrer, please, I'm just like,
Speaker 1: I just do. It made me kind of mad because
Speaker 1: I was like cool, cool, like the mayor of l
Speaker 1: a like listens when like a famous person speaks, he
Speaker 1: does something about something. But of course so frustrating. I mean,
Speaker 1: this whole thing is every so often you're just like
Speaker 1: nobody smart is in charge. That's the problem, Like the
Speaker 1: dumbest person in the world is in charge of the country.
Speaker 1: But also like locally, most people are kind of showing
Speaker 1: their ass. It seems like especially I saw this really bummer.
Speaker 1: Not to make it a bummer again, but there was
Speaker 1: like a picture in Las Vegas of how they put
Speaker 1: all the unhoused people in a parking lot where people
Speaker 1: were six ft apart in a parking lot with like
Speaker 1: no shelter, and it was like, hey, guess what, all
Speaker 1: the hotels are empty. Yeah, it doesn't make any sense.
Speaker 1: I mean, it only makes sense if you only care
Speaker 1: about I don't even doesn't make sense. But I've and
Speaker 1: cooking a lot. Love to cook great way to get
Speaker 1: my mind off things. I use some of those potatoes.
Speaker 1: I have a whole sack of potatoes, made some baked potatoes,
Speaker 1: made a pasta salad last night just because I was
Speaker 1: stressed and needed a task sad. I finally got some
Speaker 1: produce on the last trip. I was kind of just
Speaker 1: all eating you know, can stuff and beans, and it
Speaker 1: was funny because I had been eating like I guess healthy. Uh.
Speaker 1: And then one night I just like got some fucking
Speaker 1: ruffles or something and I was like it was like
Speaker 1: a narcotic. It was crazy. I was like, Oh, turns
Speaker 1: out that like my body still is like mmmm delicious chemical. Um. Well,
Speaker 1: I know that you don't have quite the same effect.
Speaker 1: But if you guys need any beans, hit me up.
Speaker 1: I actually have a surplus of beans now after having
Speaker 1: been a I'm covered on beans. It's more like replenishing
Speaker 1: fresh stuff that is making me stressed out now, Like yeah,
Speaker 1: well I took I took a page out of Molly's
Speaker 1: parents book and put my parsley. I put all of
Speaker 1: my herbs and vases. Um, and it works better with
Speaker 1: some than others. I got green onions, but they didn't
Speaker 1: have their roots. Um, they were in like a produce
Speaker 1: basket from Little Dom's. Actually, speaking of restaurants that are
Speaker 1: doing grocery deliveries, they've been doing great produce boxes and stuff. Um,
Speaker 1: but my parsley is going great base style And that
Speaker 1: was totally ripped from Molly's mom's Instagram shout out to
Speaker 1: my parents. My parents are also hippies, so they're like chilling,
Speaker 1: and my mom said something nice about like, oh maybe
Speaker 1: like the hippie ethos will come back more like people
Speaker 1: will become less materialistic because of this. It's like, I
Speaker 1: hope so, but for now, back to plastic surgery month
Speaker 1: after a quick break Welcome Back. We were going to
Speaker 1: kick off this segment with a night email from Emily,
Speaker 1: not me, I can't yes, not not Emily Oshida, other Emily.
Speaker 1: I can't recall who first mentioned it, but someone once
Speaker 1: pointed out that Bella Hadid, who clearly had a significant
Speaker 1: amount of facial work done, almost certainly used Carla Bruney's
Speaker 1: face as a model for her facial re sculpting. It's
Speaker 1: especially apparent if you make a side by side comparison
Speaker 1: of pre surgery Bella, young Carla Bruney and then post
Speaker 1: surgery Bella. It's also impossible not to see it once
Speaker 1: you've noticed it. Lots of lum from a longtime fan,
Speaker 1: Emily Um, this is a very striking resemblance. Guys, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I went through a she looks exactly like Carla Bruney. Also,
Speaker 1: my friend Dina Rankin was supposed to call it Unkno,
Speaker 1: she did, but she wanted to report robbery, which is
Speaker 1: that Bella had stole her face, which is also true
Speaker 1: because she naturally does look like Bellahodie looks like now.
Speaker 1: It's like one thing if she kind of was like,
Speaker 1: oh I like her nose or whatever, I'd like to
Speaker 1: I'd like that nose. But like it seems she's met.
Speaker 1: They've met several times, like I think Bella has called
Speaker 1: Carla like her soul twin. Um. She met for the
Speaker 1: first they met for the first time and can last year,
Speaker 1: and it feels like every single picture that they take together,
Speaker 1: it just genuinely feels like something from a single white
Speaker 1: female esque movie. Like it feels like she is actually
Speaker 1: trying to steal her face and her identity in the process.
Speaker 1: It's very odd, right, I Mean, the problem with this
Speaker 1: type of plastic surgery is that first of all, you
Speaker 1: have to have a lot of money to do it,
Speaker 1: so that's the main problem. But I also like Bella Hadid.
Speaker 1: She comes up a lot on slub New sleb face
Speaker 1: um as somebody who photoshops her pictures. Still, even though
Speaker 1: she keeps changing her face a little bit, she also
Speaker 1: denies that she changes her face, which is fine. I
Speaker 1: feel like that's also the Kardashian strategy. They're just like
Speaker 1: say they didn't get anything done, but you know, photos
Speaker 1: tell a different story. Yeah, And can you explain what
Speaker 1: what celeb faces cleb faces and Instagram account that compares
Speaker 1: people's candid photos to the versions they put on Instagram
Speaker 1: that are photoshopped. It's super interesting because you find out
Speaker 1: that all of the big influencers and like basically every
Speaker 1: famous beautiful person still photoshops their pictures and do oblivion.
Speaker 1: And there's a really funny one if Bella Hadid from
Speaker 1: the other day where somebody photoshopped in like a patch
Speaker 1: of grass and it looks like net art because it's
Speaker 1: like very badly photoshopped in I'm gonna find this. It's like,
Speaker 1: isn't it a lot? Or it's like an invite only
Speaker 1: account or it used to be. Yeah, but there's a
Speaker 1: bunch of them. It's a whole cottage industry now of
Speaker 1: people that post, you know, here's a candid photo of
Speaker 1: this person, and here's what they look like online. Because yeah,
Speaker 1: one of the things about the new plastic surgery is
Speaker 1: that it is so much based on like what will
Speaker 1: it look like on a camera phone, you know, And
Speaker 1: a lot of these people do end up getting basically
Speaker 1: the exact same face. And Bella Hadid got Carla Bruni's face,
Speaker 1: and with that, I have to wonder because her mom.
Speaker 1: The thing about the Hadid sisters also is that their
Speaker 1: mom is like a manager, a model manager. For those
Speaker 1: yo not Hadid anymore. Yeah, for those who watched Real
Speaker 1: Housewives of Beverly Hills, she was like a super intense,
Speaker 1: awful um manager to them. She told she couldn't have
Speaker 1: a slice of cake. She said this thing about like,
Speaker 1: if you're hungry, just eat four almonds, which like a
Speaker 1: lot of famous people say, And then I found out
Speaker 1: it comes from some super famous wellness retreat that people
Speaker 1: all go to. Weird, Yeah, where they starts, I forget,
Speaker 1: but it's like old school. It's like the Door or something.
Speaker 1: It's some detox wellness thing, but like one of the
Speaker 1: things that they put you on, like a cleanse of
Speaker 1: where you just like drink juice and eat almonds. But um,
Speaker 1: I wonder if Yolanda was obsessed with Carla Bruney. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's such a weird pull for somebody. Bella's h That's
Speaker 1: the weird thing about it. I'm like, why would she
Speaker 1: be obsessed with Carla Bruney? Um, Like, if she was
Speaker 1: gonna go to a nineties model, you would just assume
Speaker 1: she would go for one of like your classic supers,
Speaker 1: you know, like it would make more sense if she
Speaker 1: was trying to morph into Cindy Crawford or something. But
Speaker 1: don't you think that she that it probably had something
Speaker 1: to do with her pre surgery. See like getting that
Speaker 1: comparison maybe once or twice and just being like, oh,
Speaker 1: if I look, if someone thinks nothing like when you
Speaker 1: look at it, I look, but I still think that,
Speaker 1: Like you don't just random. I don't I don't think
Speaker 1: that it was completely like, I mean, it's hard for
Speaker 1: me to believe she was a huge carl La Bruney
Speaker 1: fan or something like that and was like I'll steal
Speaker 1: her face. I think it was probably that they were
Speaker 1: talking about things that they could do and maybe going
Speaker 1: like that. I mean, now I'm going totally crazy and
Speaker 1: picturing a plastic surgeon who's like really an artist or something,
Speaker 1: being like like showing a portfolio and being like, I
Speaker 1: think we could do a really good Carla Bruney. That
Speaker 1: it's possible, right, it's picture to the salon. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: could see Yolanda doing that too. People do do that though.
Speaker 1: Now apparently they do bring pictures from Instagram to their
Speaker 1: plastic surgeons and are like, make me look like that.
Speaker 1: Some US exurgions are like, I can't doesn't exist. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I think the thing that's always most striking from celeb
Speaker 1: face and and those kinds of accounts is that it's
Speaker 1: not necessarily um like how things have been doctored, but
Speaker 1: it's just like it's like the quality of people's skin
Speaker 1: is so tell tale when they've had stuff done. It's
Speaker 1: like that really kind of like there's a sheen to
Speaker 1: it that where it's just like that that stands out
Speaker 1: almost as much as the work itself, where it's just
Speaker 1: like this, there's something that something unnatural has been going
Speaker 1: on to read the surface here, it's all right, um,
Speaker 1: but you see that with her and with an extent too,
Speaker 1: But I don't know. It's just kind of breaks my
Speaker 1: brain a little bit because the whole thing is I'm like, well, like,
Speaker 1: you know, what are you supposed to tell people, like,
Speaker 1: you know, just develop a good personality, work really hard,
Speaker 1: and you know you'll catch up to these people and
Speaker 1: it's like, well that's not true, like yeah, getting it's
Speaker 1: like it is giving them current like more currency in
Speaker 1: the world. And there was like a very scary to
Speaker 1: me thing I saw emerge online where people were like
Speaker 1: there's something before people were like there's no such thing
Speaker 1: as ugly, like just poor, oh yeah definitely, Like well
Speaker 1: that's your problem. It's like anybody can like anybody can
Speaker 1: like exercise and learn how to put on makeup. You know,
Speaker 1: there's like things people that want to do the self
Speaker 1: improvement can do to make themselves look better if that's
Speaker 1: what you care about. But like you won't be able
Speaker 1: to compete with somebody who just has like endless reserves
Speaker 1: of money, and that's their whole jobs working on being hot.
Speaker 1: And that's what the shift was when younger people started
Speaker 1: getting like significant work done, was that it wasn't about
Speaker 1: youth anymore. It was about money. Um right, totally because
Speaker 1: because pole that are young, that have a lot of botox,
Speaker 1: it like makes you perversely look older in my mind,
Speaker 1: because it makes people because people who have a lot
Speaker 1: of botox, I'll have that same sort of like porcelain
Speaker 1: doll forehead thing. It's it's just also, I mean, we're
Speaker 1: we associate that, we associate that kind of look with
Speaker 1: other people. Historically, older people got exactly do you think
Speaker 1: younger people don't? They just don't know. No. I see
Speaker 1: it all the time when when someone I know gets
Speaker 1: a significant amount of work done, I think it makes
Speaker 1: them look a lot older. But I also know that
Speaker 1: it doesn't matter at all what I think of the face.
Speaker 1: It's like everybody like, it's just it's no longer to
Speaker 1: look more like a slider scale towards beauty or youth
Speaker 1: or something. It's more like to look like I had
Speaker 1: the work done to look like yeah, um, I mean
Speaker 1: I don't think that's the case all the time, but
Speaker 1: I think when when it comes to like influencers and
Speaker 1: the most visible people who are getting this work done,
Speaker 1: I think I think that that is that's more that
Speaker 1: and it's I think for people who like people like
Speaker 1: us who came up more in the nineties or something
Speaker 1: and like had I think a more in some ways
Speaker 1: less diverse, but in other ways more diverse ideas of
Speaker 1: like what could be beautiful in terms of like beautiful
Speaker 1: celebrities and stuff. It's very odd, like it's just it's
Speaker 1: very the same too. I don't know. I feel like
Speaker 1: I was just as I felt just as afraid of
Speaker 1: like girls and Delia's catalogs, you know, just like there
Speaker 1: was still this thing of like, oh, well, some people
Speaker 1: are just like naturally better looking than others, and like
Speaker 1: what can be done about that? Too? Bad? Our whole
Speaker 1: like society is constructed about around telling women this is
Speaker 1: their only quality. Yeah. You know, what I always think
Speaker 1: is kind of interesting is like wondering if people get
Speaker 1: plastic surgery young so that they don't have to see
Speaker 1: how they age naturally. Like it's you could even maybe
Speaker 1: say that they don't care whether it prematurely ages them
Speaker 1: in a way, because it takes away their body's capacity
Speaker 1: to show how it naturally would age, so it kind
Speaker 1: of gives them control, you know that. It is like
Speaker 1: always kind of alarming when you get to like I
Speaker 1: would say it probably for me around the age of
Speaker 1: thirty five, So just about two years ago, I was like, wow,
Speaker 1: totally different texture of my skin. Like it it went
Speaker 1: from like the skin of a person who was this
Speaker 1: age to the skin of a person who was a
Speaker 1: different agent. And a lot of that's because I live
Speaker 1: in l A and I get a lot of sun
Speaker 1: and you know whatever. And I didn't freak out about
Speaker 1: it so much as I just kind of observed that, oh,
Speaker 1: I can see how I'll be in ten years, Like
Speaker 1: I can kind of predict the trajectory. So I think
Speaker 1: in a way, it can also just feel like you're
Speaker 1: taking back control and how you look becomes almost secondary
Speaker 1: to just feeling as if you've regained control of something.
Speaker 1: That that's the thing. It's like, there's a that's the
Speaker 1: point to which I'm like, Also, it's fine to get
Speaker 1: plastic surgery, you know, like, even like if it's for
Speaker 1: you in some way. Well it's nobody's business. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's nobody's business, you know. Especially people were like obviously
Speaker 1: if it's like an expression of your gender identity, like
Speaker 1: that is fine, and I have no issues about It's
Speaker 1: the only time I ever get stressed about it is
Speaker 1: when I feel like it's like women trying to achieve
Speaker 1: something that's unachievable. Well, yeah, I mean it's there's like
Speaker 1: a big debate about whether or not it's feminist to
Speaker 1: do it's. I don't I think it's pretty. I mean
Speaker 1: I think it's not even on that like line of thinking.
Speaker 1: It's like not, that's not there. There was a whole
Speaker 1: thing of like choice feminism that was like any choice
Speaker 1: a woman makes this feminist, and I do think of
Speaker 1: it because I was thinking about like Gwen It Paltrow's
Speaker 1: whole thing is like, you know, I eat so healthy
Speaker 1: that it's like shaming other people for being not as
Speaker 1: like healthy and full of energy as me. But also
Speaker 1: like I get like botulism put in my face, you know,
Speaker 1: like not it's not the old hippie ethos in any way,
Speaker 1: because it's like I don't know, it has nothing to
Speaker 1: do with like also I'm gonna just like let my
Speaker 1: hair grow gray and like see what I look like. Well,
Speaker 1: I think that's like the I think there are kind
Speaker 1: of two poles of how you can think about this stuff.
Speaker 1: And there's like one pole is like what I would
Speaker 1: call like the glow, like when people don't talk about
Speaker 1: actually getting work done, but they're just like like you
Speaker 1: just want to nash a natural fresh glow and you
Speaker 1: want to look like you didn't do anything, and like
Speaker 1: that you just starre Gwyneth Paltrow and you just drink
Speaker 1: juice all day and your skin just radiates youth and
Speaker 1: you don't get wrinkles because of that. And then there's
Speaker 1: like the Kardashians poll, which is just like, yeah, I
Speaker 1: bought my lips, Like that's what I did. I made
Speaker 1: a choice that I caught them, and I I feel
Speaker 1: like and I wouldn't put a value judgment on either
Speaker 1: of those. I just think that there's like there's just
Speaker 1: like a spectrum of how people approach it where it's
Speaker 1: like they're both expressing the same thing, which is like
Speaker 1: I have money and that's what we're saying. It's like
Speaker 1: that's all it really is a signifier of It's like
Speaker 1: I can afford to do this. Yeah, I think that
Speaker 1: that's sort of like especially like talking about this stuff now,
Speaker 1: That's like what I keep coming back to. It's just that,
Speaker 1: especially when we think about like um like fictional depictions
Speaker 1: of procedures and stuff, it's like there's so much sci
Speaker 1: fi or like futurefi um stuff where it's just like
Speaker 1: the decadent rich just like doing expressive things to their
Speaker 1: faces because they yeah, and like a lot of it too.
Speaker 1: I feel like it's like this very like pitiful portrayal
Speaker 1: like via men of what they think it's like to
Speaker 1: be an aging woman, you know, like the Brazil scene
Speaker 1: and stuff like there's a little or sunset boulevard, you know,
Speaker 1: just like, oh, what could be more tragic than being
Speaker 1: a woman who used to be hot and like can't
Speaker 1: be again. And you know, first of all, it's like
Speaker 1: remember Dousman is hot? Yeah, probably like thirty five. If
Speaker 1: you learned anything from Valley of Adults, Yes, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: but I did. I wrote something for the newsletter about
Speaker 1: Dean Martin's nose job and some of the other famous
Speaker 1: men who got procedures that I had no idea about,
Speaker 1: but like John Wayne got a facelift um because it's
Speaker 1: not even in the vocabulary. You know, Like obviously all
Speaker 1: the A list male actors get work done, but to
Speaker 1: admit they're getting work done and dying their hair like
Speaker 1: isn't masculine. So like none of them ever admit to it.
Speaker 1: And it's not sad even if it was like out there,
Speaker 1: it's not sad in the same way that like a
Speaker 1: woman trying to like freshen her face so that she
Speaker 1: can continue to get work it's like sad. I don't know, Yeah,
Speaker 1: And I like that Jane Fonda said she you was
Speaker 1: going to stop getting work done because like it's just
Speaker 1: for me. With somebody like Jane Fonda, You're like you
Speaker 1: would have looked amazing just anyway because you're Jane Fonda.
Speaker 1: But I understand also how somebody who was like so
Speaker 1: hot and you know, sold stuff, they had a lot
Speaker 1: of self esteem issues anyway, like without having Yeah, I
Speaker 1: think the issue is it like praise on people with
Speaker 1: low self esteem, you know, So like when somebody gets
Speaker 1: work done because they think it's going to like fill
Speaker 1: a hole in their soul, you just know that it
Speaker 1: won't probably, But when somebody does work done for like
Speaker 1: a financial reason, Like if you're a stripper and you
Speaker 1: want to make more money by getting bigger boobs, like
Speaker 1: that is great, that makes perfect sense to me. That's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: it depends on how you. I think, like everybody, just
Speaker 1: everybody's body has a different used to that. And I
Speaker 1: think that's why it's hard to judge somebody getting something
Speaker 1: done versus another person getting something done. Is that like
Speaker 1: I'm I don't use my body in that way or
Speaker 1: rely on it for that thing. I'm not a person
Speaker 1: in front of a camera. I'm not a person who
Speaker 1: dances for money or anything like that. So like it's
Speaker 1: not it's not something that I would do. Therefore, it's
Speaker 1: not like my my opinion of whether or not I
Speaker 1: would do it has nothing to do with like whether
Speaker 1: or not somebody else should I don't know exactly. Turns
Speaker 1: into like some judge ship is the problem, you know,
Speaker 1: It's like it's because it threatens people. I think. I
Speaker 1: also think and this is like this is something I
Speaker 1: feel like I'll keep coming back to. Is that I
Speaker 1: think that as much as um, you know, whatever is
Speaker 1: trendy right now, having jubiterm lips or getting button plants
Speaker 1: or whatever, like however much that's prized or or idea realized.
Speaker 1: I do also think the idea of like your true
Speaker 1: face is also sort of over idealized. I think it's
Speaker 1: like kind of a it's like a fake ideal because
Speaker 1: I think that so many things can happen to a face,
Speaker 1: like don't like in my case, like I had an
Speaker 1: injury when I was a kid to my face. I
Speaker 1: got bit by a dog in the face and I
Speaker 1: was like eleven, and I've had two reconstructive surgeries on
Speaker 1: my face, and so like from an early age, even
Speaker 1: before like you know, actually like at the prime time
Speaker 1: when you start to be super self conscious about your
Speaker 1: looks and everything, I have not had quote unquote my
Speaker 1: my real face or my natural face or something. And
Speaker 1: and so I think, like I guess from an early
Speaker 1: age that's why I kind of started to feel like
Speaker 1: it was all kind of subjective, like there's there's not
Speaker 1: I'm there's no like normal for me to to, you know,
Speaker 1: I think beauty is subjective. And that's like I think
Speaker 1: just in the way that everything has gotten more extreme constantly,
Speaker 1: it's like there's also been a greater acceptance of real
Speaker 1: body types and real human looks. It does feel like
Speaker 1: the standards of beauty have also brought in in like
Speaker 1: a very necessary way, because yeah, because it's like there
Speaker 1: is no one ideal. People like all different kinds of things,
Speaker 1: like between the three of us, like we all like
Speaker 1: totally different things, you know, like the myths that everyone's
Speaker 1: in competition for the same resources all the time. It's like, no,
Speaker 1: it's good that we all find different things beautiful. And
Speaker 1: what you notice about Instagram faces, it's like it does
Speaker 1: just sort of lose its appeal at a certain point
Speaker 1: because it's so expected. There's never any like asymmetry. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and I think like it always comes out like I
Speaker 1: always realize that there is so much room for different
Speaker 1: ideas of beauty whenever, especially like on film, Twitter or something,
Speaker 1: and if people just start talking about like their crushes,
Speaker 1: their celebrity crushes, and it's always so wild and all
Speaker 1: over the place where people find hot um you know,
Speaker 1: like Adam Drivers like a sex symbol at this point,
Speaker 1: which is just like kind of tells you everything you
Speaker 1: need to know, Like like there's not as much as
Speaker 1: I think whatever powers that be want us to think
Speaker 1: that there's one particular kind of way for somebody. Look,
Speaker 1: it's very clear that people left with their own devices,
Speaker 1: Like there's some for men for sure, definitely, yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean yeah, but I get to have like interesting noses
Speaker 1: and be actors still, so do women. I mean, I
Speaker 1: don't know. I feel like it's not it's not how
Speaker 1: it used to be at all. Like I think that
Speaker 1: there is so much more room and I feel I
Speaker 1: don't know. I mean, to me, I've never really, I really,
Speaker 1: for the past like ten years, I have let go
Speaker 1: of caring at all about how people look to to.
Speaker 1: I mean not obviously there's gonna be like a subconscious
Speaker 1: thing going on, but I really tried to like have
Speaker 1: that be something I worked on. And I feel like
Speaker 1: you very quickly realize that the subjectivity also has to
Speaker 1: do with like, you know, Adam drivers very confident. You know,
Speaker 1: you guys know how I feel driver, but he's very confident,
Speaker 1: and like, you know, I mean, look at Harvey Kitel's
Speaker 1: very sexy man Like. It's like there's there's a lot
Speaker 1: of things that go into it, but you can train
Speaker 1: yourself to care less and then when you do that,
Speaker 1: it feels tedious to be around people who really care.
Speaker 1: I think it's also like the way that that men
Speaker 1: present their standards, especially on the internet, but also just
Speaker 1: like teenage boys, it's like it scares you into being like, wow,
Speaker 1: guys only want like this super hot girl, and then
Speaker 1: like later in time you're like, oh, everyone like ended
Speaker 1: up with a regular sin. Well yeah, and also like
Speaker 1: I I think that's like that's actually kind of like
Speaker 1: this chain reaction thing, right. It's like teenage boys have
Speaker 1: a very often stupid and limited imagination of what's hot,
Speaker 1: but that's at the same time they're projecting that on
Speaker 1: girls or like oh I have to be like that.
Speaker 1: And then even if those boys grow up and have
Speaker 1: more nuanced or personal ideas of beauty, like there's still
Speaker 1: some like we're we're this is all in the realm
Speaker 1: of hetero sexuality obviously, but like we're left with this
Speaker 1: sort of complex of whatever teenage boys like this is cute,
Speaker 1: Like no, I don't think like any most women like
Speaker 1: don't think they are beautiful. Even if they are, uh
Speaker 1: and beautiful, women are all still super super self conscious
Speaker 1: about something, and people who are really beautiful also get
Speaker 1: treated like objects in a way that sucks really bad.
Speaker 1: So that also like huge downside is there anything less
Speaker 1: attractive than someone who being with someone who's tremendously vain.
Speaker 1: I mean, I've always found that to be one of
Speaker 1: the kind of least appealing characteristics that a person can have,
Speaker 1: because it really boils down to like a superficial selfish
Speaker 1: you know, I'm grossed out by male vanity, and I
Speaker 1: remember by female vanity too. I don't think that's what
Speaker 1: it's male, No, totally, but I just mean, like when
Speaker 1: like the metro sexual thing happened in the two thousand's
Speaker 1: and they were trying to like normalize like like, hey,
Speaker 1: straight men, like you should also spend a lot of
Speaker 1: money and energy caring about your appearance. It was like no, no, nobody, yes,
Speaker 1: please don't make them like wax themselves and put on
Speaker 1: contours on their face. And it's because it's tedious when
Speaker 1: you grow up, like you know, if you're a woman
Speaker 1: or a man who grows up kind of trying to
Speaker 1: achieve these like effects through make up or like you know,
Speaker 1: pushing yourself to work out or plastic surgery or whatever,
Speaker 1: then you become you hate it even more in other people,
Speaker 1: maybe even you know, because who could be in a
Speaker 1: partnership with somebody who also spent that amount of time
Speaker 1: just caring about how they look. I mean, I suppose
Speaker 1: it happens all the time. It's probably extremely common, but
Speaker 1: I just can't imagine a happy relationship where both people
Speaker 1: were so vain, like how did they even communicate? Somebody
Speaker 1: was saying, this must be the most time Kim and
Speaker 1: Kanye have ever had to spend together. Continue if they're
Speaker 1: in the same in the same house, supposedly, and this
Speaker 1: is definitely the most time Kim's ever had to spend
Speaker 1: with her kids. Because she was complaining about it, look
Speaker 1: more power to Kim. I mean, none of us have
Speaker 1: ever spent you. You're doing it other times. I think
Speaker 1: the point was like she just uses her kids as accessories,
Speaker 1: and then she had to deal with their them being
Speaker 1: annoying and was like I don't want this. Yeah, before
Speaker 1: you wrap up, since we just talked about Kim, I
Speaker 1: do want to point out so when we when we
Speaker 1: opened this episode, we talked about Simon orion Um from
Speaker 1: I don't know if I pronounce it a piony. I
Speaker 1: think Beverly Hills Um. Yeah, I don't know, in Beverly Hills.
Speaker 1: But I do want to say that One of the
Speaker 1: crazy things about him is that he experimented with procedures
Speaker 1: on himself and so as a result, he looks a
Speaker 1: lot like Kim Kardashian. It's like he tried to perfect it. No, no, no,
Speaker 1: they all are turning into Chris Jenner, and that's the
Speaker 1: spurious part. But I was a moment, There was a
Speaker 1: moment where Kim looked exactly like Chris, and I think
Speaker 1: she kind of moved away from it. Oh yeah, she
Speaker 1: was like, oh no, I think it's probably like Simon
Speaker 1: Orion gave himself that face, and then he gave it
Speaker 1: to Chris Jenner, and then Chris Jenner gave it to
Speaker 1: all of her kids. It's like herona can Yes, can
Speaker 1: you imagine being a plastic surgeon who's messing around with
Speaker 1: your own face? Yes, I'm gonna say I think it's
Speaker 1: a lot more common than you would like to think. No, no,
Speaker 1: I think it's pretty. But it never I never like
Speaker 1: looked at a person saw and then found out like, oh,
Speaker 1: he did it to himself, And then I could kind
Speaker 1: of see like, oh, you know, he probably had to
Speaker 1: correct this a million times, and then he was look,
Speaker 1: that's right. If you're a doctor who plays god with
Speaker 1: people's faces. That's a probably attracts a certain personality type
Speaker 1: for sure. Um, well, that will do it for us
Speaker 1: this week. We're gonna be back next week and for
Speaker 1: the next several weeks with more to call plastic surgery content.
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