Speaker 1: Broadcasting from the Hip Hop Weekly Studios. I'd like to
Speaker 1: welcome you to another episode of Civic Cipher, where our
Speaker 1: mission is to foster allyship, empathy and understanding.
Speaker 2: I am your host, ramses Ja.
Speaker 1: Big shout out to my man q Ward who is
Speaker 1: out of town making history with the history makers. But
Speaker 1: have no fear, because this week we got something special
Speaker 1: in store for you. Longtime friend of the show, Amy
Speaker 1: Horowitz joins us. And for those that don't know, Amy
Speaker 1: is an American conservative documentary filmmaker and activist. He is
Speaker 1: a writer, producer, and director of Amy on the Loose,
Speaker 1: a satirical short film series. He's also the host of
Speaker 1: the recent documentary The Art of War, a look into
Speaker 1: the practices of the IDF. And I know that if
Speaker 1: your ears perked up because Amy is a conservative activist,
Speaker 1: have no fear. That is intentional. Amy is a dear
Speaker 1: friend of mine and a dear friend of the show.
Speaker 1: And while we don't agree on much politically speaking, we
Speaker 1: certainly have spirited conversations, and we feel, as often as
Speaker 1: we're able to have these conversations that you might find.
Speaker 2: Some meaning in the exchange.
Speaker 1: Today we're specifically going to focus on sort of how
Speaker 1: to have conversations with people that disagree with you in
Speaker 1: the spirit of finding some common ground and moving forward
Speaker 1: together as human beings. And so welcome back to the show, Army.
Speaker 1: I appreciate you taking the time to hang out with
Speaker 1: us again.
Speaker 3: Man, it's always a pleasure. It's an honor to always
Speaker 3: be with you. And yet, look, you and I have
Speaker 3: these spirit debates on air, and we also have them
Speaker 3: personally over dinner.
Speaker 2: Indeed, indeed, and no, this is a.
Speaker 3: Really important topic because we're living in such a fracture society,
Speaker 3: and I think that's difficult for both sides. Frankly, it's
Speaker 3: not just one side being closed mind to the other
Speaker 3: side of being open. I know each side wants to
Speaker 3: pretend that is you know, my friends that I go,
Speaker 3: we're open, and the other side and vice versa, and
Speaker 3: it's not sure. It's very difficult for all size to
Speaker 3: have real conversations about real import issues.
Speaker 1: Well, that's exactly what we're going to do today. But
Speaker 1: before we get there, it is time for some ebony excellence.
Speaker 1: So today's ebony excellence. We're shouting out the ancestors. So
Speaker 1: this comes from Black Enterprise, the Notaway Plantation, a monument
Speaker 1: is Southern grandeur built on the backs of enslaved people,
Speaker 1: has been destroyed by a fire that rage for nearly
Speaker 1: forty hours beginning late May fifteenth. The infernal gutted the
Speaker 1: one hundred and sixty year old estate turned resort, once
Speaker 1: the largest Antebellum mansion remaining in the South. I know
Speaker 1: a lot of folks already know about this story, but
Speaker 1: we're just getting to it.
Speaker 2: So bear with me.
Speaker 1: Staff at the rename Notaway Resort No to smoke in
Speaker 1: the South wing. On the night of May fourteenth, the
Speaker 1: fire quickly spread through the sixty four room fifty three
Speaker 1: thousand square foot property, including a three story rotunda. It
Speaker 1: had been listed on the National Register of Historic Places
Speaker 1: since nineteen eighty. Despite efforts for multiple departments, the structure
Speaker 1: was lost. While the Yberville Parish government grieves the destruction
Speaker 1: of what calls an economic cornerstone, other sea poetic justice,
Speaker 1: and the ashes of the plantation that never meaningfully confronted
Speaker 1: its legacy of slavery. Built in eighteen fifty nine by
Speaker 1: sugar magnate John Hampden Sorry John Hampden Randolph, the estate
Speaker 1: was powered by the forced labor of more than one
Speaker 1: hundred and fifty enslaved people of fact, often glossed over
Speaker 1: in tourist bouchures. While the Yberville Parish government bemoans the
Speaker 1: loss as a blow to the local economy and a
Speaker 1: piece of piece of national significance, others aren't mourning. For
Speaker 1: many of the destruction feels less like a tragedy more
Speaker 1: like a reason to celebrate. And this from the Atlanta
Speaker 1: Black Star. A fallen tree during a storm destroyed the
Speaker 1: Fort Branch Confederate Museum in North Carolina, leaving the building
Speaker 1: a total loss. The museum was immediately closed due to
Speaker 1: insufficient insurance to cover rebuilding costs. While the historical society
Speaker 1: seeks donation, social media has had other reactions, many noting
Speaker 1: the destruction alongside other recent events involving Confederate landmarks, karma,
Speaker 1: or ancestral justice. So shout out to the sisters looking
Speaker 1: at one time. Okay, Amy, Before we get into this,
Speaker 1: I want to make sure that the part of this
Speaker 1: conversation that I want our listeners to take away from
Speaker 1: it is well established. So I will go first in
Speaker 1: saying that Amy is a person that first came to
Speaker 1: my attention through social media. And this was years ago now,
Speaker 1: but you know, he is a media personality, and he's
Speaker 1: a filmmaker, he's a journalist, and you know, your algorithm
Speaker 1: serves up the things that you're into, and as a
Speaker 1: journalist and as a media personality, Ammy was one such individual.
Speaker 1: He ended up reaching out and we said, you know,
Speaker 1: let's have a conversation on the radio. And in short order,
Speaker 1: I think that we both I don't want to speak
Speaker 1: for you, but I think that we both made a
Speaker 1: decision that we are going to be bread earlier than
Speaker 1: we do with perhaps most people. Certainly, I'll say that
Speaker 1: for myself. And I'm going to love this man right here,
Speaker 1: Amy Horowitz, no matter what, no matter what he says
Speaker 1: out of his mouth that infuriates me to no end,
Speaker 1: I'm going to love him. And in doing that, I
Speaker 1: have learned that this is a beautiful human being. And
Speaker 1: a lot of the things, a lot of the anguish
Speaker 1: and a lot of the misunderstandings that I associate with
Speaker 1: people on the right, Amy is a living testament.
Speaker 2: To the fact that I can't paint with too broad
Speaker 2: a stroke. Right.
Speaker 1: So, are there people who are racist? Are there people
Speaker 1: who are calloused? Are there people who are unkind, mean
Speaker 1: spirited on the right, Absolutely, But I can't pat when
Speaker 1: too broad of a stroke, Nor can I say that
Speaker 1: the ideology in and of itself is only for people
Speaker 1: who fit those descriptions, because I don't associate any of
Speaker 1: those things with Amy. I believe Amy is a man
Speaker 1: who was put on this planet to love people, and
Speaker 1: the filter through which he views the world is a
Speaker 1: conservative filter, which is fundamentally different from the filter through
Speaker 1: which I view the world. And I wanted to say that,
Speaker 1: and I also want to get your response to that.
Speaker 1: But right on the heels of that, I definitely want
Speaker 1: you to talk about your recent film because you're here
Speaker 1: on the show, you're promoting your film, and I want
Speaker 1: to make sure you have the grounds to do so.
Speaker 2: So please, Yeah, look.
Speaker 3: That First of all, it was a lovely introduction, maybe
Speaker 3: one of the nicest introductions I have ever had, that
Speaker 3: written by my mother, and probably nicer than what she'd
Speaker 3: have written. Also, look, it has been you know, to
Speaker 3: be your friend has been a real pleasure and also
Speaker 3: something of a learning experience for me. And I think
Speaker 3: that what you said about how you viewed people on
Speaker 3: the right, I certainly had some of that viewpoint for
Speaker 3: people on the left, and I think that not just
Speaker 3: because we disagree on things, it doesn't it doesn't mean malice.
Speaker 3: Right people disagree on different topics. Sometimes it is. And
Speaker 3: don't get me wrong, I'm not saying there isn't malice
Speaker 3: for people on the right and there isn't malice for
Speaker 3: people on the left. Obviously that is the truth. But
Speaker 3: I think for the most part, we distinguish between difference
Speaker 3: of opinion and how and and and coming from a
Speaker 3: darker place. And I think those two things could live together,
Speaker 3: but oftentimes they don't, and I love them. We had
Speaker 3: the discussions. We actually are highlighting the fact that I
Speaker 3: think for most people it doesn't come from a bad place.
Speaker 1: Sure sure, Now now we're going to get into the
Speaker 1: weeds here, So we're going to get into some topics
Speaker 1: and people are going to hear us and how we
Speaker 1: have our conversations because we do this from time to time,
Speaker 1: either on the phone, in person, on on uh, you know,
Speaker 1: on the radio, or you know, whatever it is we're
Speaker 1: doing professionally. But talk of about your recent documentary, because
Speaker 1: you know, you put a lot of effort into it,
Speaker 1: and I know that you want to share that and
Speaker 1: you know.
Speaker 2: Please so yeah.
Speaker 3: So this this documentary was in response to a lot
Speaker 3: of what people are saying about the conflict, the war
Speaker 3: in Gaza and how Israel has executed that war. And
Speaker 3: I think it's an important and this is why this
Speaker 3: platform is so important, because you share an opinion that
Speaker 3: I don't really share when it comes to is I
Speaker 3: think we certain I think we you and I have
Speaker 3: made some progress from both perspective. I think we've you
Speaker 3: and I both mediated some of our views on this topic.
Speaker 3: But the crux of the video was this is that
Speaker 3: there's a narrative going on that Israel essentially is committing
Speaker 3: genocide and that Israel's intent is to harm civilians, that
Speaker 3: they are trying to wipe out the civilian population in Gaza.
Speaker 3: And this video, this documentary is a response to that
Speaker 3: where I try to bring in experts, try to go
Speaker 3: there myself, go through data because I think data ultimately
Speaker 3: is really important. I know a lot of people will
Speaker 3: say to me, well, data excludes dead children. Just because
Speaker 3: you say data, they're still dead children. I go. I
Speaker 3: get that emotional response, but ultimately, war is war. And
Speaker 3: in order to come up to some kind of conclusion
Speaker 3: on whether or not this war is being prosecuted in
Speaker 3: the most ethical way possible. And I say most ethical
Speaker 3: way possible because Ramsey's war, you know, is that quote
Speaker 3: by I think it's by patent war as hell, and
Speaker 3: it is. War is a horrific human dnaver that is
Speaker 3: sometimes necessary, sometimes unnecessary. But in both cases, war is
Speaker 3: difficult and it's bloody, and people are are killed, many
Speaker 3: people were killed who are not combat In fact, generally,
Speaker 3: when one engages in war, even if you're trying, even
Speaker 3: the most ethical armies in the history of the Earth,
Speaker 3: let's say, Native one would argue that Western European war
Speaker 3: is as ethical as one can make war. The majority,
Speaker 3: the vast majority of civilians that are the people are
Speaker 3: killed are still going to be civilians. It's the nature
Speaker 3: of war. So getting past the emotion, I wanted to
Speaker 3: get into some of the data to get a sense
Speaker 3: of is Israel committing war crimes as a matter of course,
Speaker 3: obviously every army is a commit certain amount of war crimes.
Speaker 3: So it's impossible because humans are involved, and you're going
Speaker 3: to have a certain amount of unethical behavior, right, Even
Speaker 3: some that account.
Speaker 2: To war crimes, bad actors.
Speaker 3: That doesn't mean what's that bad actors, that you're good
Speaker 3: bad actors for sure. That doesn't mean that the war
Speaker 3: itself is being prosecuted in an ethical way, right, as
Speaker 3: opposed to let's say Russia and the way Russia's prosecuting
Speaker 3: its war. Its entire war plan is war crimes. That's
Speaker 3: all it's trying to do. It's not trying to avoid civilians.
Speaker 3: It's trying to kill as many civilians as possible. I
Speaker 3: would argue that that's the entire intent of Hamas. Hamas
Speaker 3: isn't looking to to never mind, it is not never mind,
Speaker 3: that's not trying to reduce the amount of Israeli civilian casualties, right,
Speaker 3: trying to kill as many is really civil as possible.
Speaker 3: I would argue the Hamas is trying to kill and
Speaker 3: have as many of its own civilians killed as possible
Speaker 3: as because that's a propaganda wind for them. So that's
Speaker 3: essentially the the idea of this documentary.
Speaker 2: Okay, one more time, what is the name of it?
Speaker 3: The Art of War?
Speaker 2: Where can people find it?
Speaker 3: They can find it anywhere on YouTube. Okayger you is
Speaker 3: one one of the distributors. I knew again. Chuckle out
Speaker 3: of you on that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's an inside joke between Amy and myself. I'm
Speaker 1: not a fan of Prager you and Ami is a
Speaker 1: is a fan of Praguer you. But that that's for
Speaker 1: another day. Okay, so let's get into it, Imy, my brother.
Speaker 1: You know, I was with my son today and I
Speaker 1: knew we'd have this conversation. And yesterday, my son, he's
Speaker 1: ten years old, he went and got his ears pierced. Okay, no,
Speaker 1: that's probably not a thing that you know people do widely,
Speaker 1: but in our culture, that's the thing that we do.
Speaker 2: Right, So I took my little boy to get his
Speaker 2: ears pierced. He wanted his earrings.
Speaker 1: We got him done, and then I looked at him
Speaker 1: and he's a young man, right, So just that, just
Speaker 1: like that, and I'm like taking it in that I
Speaker 1: get to watch my son grow up. And I know
Speaker 1: that I'm gonna have this conversation with you, and I
Speaker 1: know you're going to talk about your film, and we're
Speaker 1: going to talk about many other things, and I want
Speaker 1: you to talk about your film. When we were last together,
Speaker 1: I made a comment, shooters are going to shoot, right,
Speaker 1: You're going to do what it is that you do.
Speaker 1: You're a journalist, your personality. You make content that is
Speaker 1: widely received, well received, and it brings a perspective to
Speaker 1: the common dialogue that has just as much a place
Speaker 1: as something I would bring. Okay, I famously will say that, hey, look,
Speaker 1: I have my own personal political biases. I think that
Speaker 1: the world should look this way. I think that people
Speaker 1: should behave this way. I think that we should be
Speaker 1: good to each other. And what I know to be
Speaker 1: good to each other differs from what other people what
Speaker 1: their line is. Right, So in that I admit my bias,
Speaker 1: and for you to say that you're a conservative filmmaker,
Speaker 1: I think therein lies your conservative bias. Right admitted conservative bias.
Speaker 1: These things are all really good to establish upfront, because
Speaker 1: these aren't hidden elements. These are things that you know.
Speaker 1: I'm being fully transparent. You've always been very transparent to me.
Speaker 1: While we're on the subject of Israel, one of the
Speaker 1: things that I might say in a conversation with you
Speaker 1: that I want our listeners to know, given what you've
Speaker 1: said and I've actually seen your film, is that while
Speaker 1: I appreciate the additional perspective that helps that helps a
Speaker 1: man that grew up with Jewish people, played with Jewish
Speaker 1: children when I was a child, taught Jewish children my culture,
Speaker 1: and was taught Jewish culture from Jewish friends of mine,
Speaker 1: some of whom are still my friends today. And along
Speaker 1: the way we've grown and we've maintained friendships, and we've
Speaker 1: lost people along the way, and we've gained new family
Speaker 1: and new friends along the way, etc. The whole time,
Speaker 1: knowing not much about Israel, but Jewish people have always
Speaker 1: had my heart. I would say to you, my brother
Speaker 1: Amy Horowitz, that if I lived in a parallel universe,
Speaker 1: the moral stance that I have with respect to Palestine
Speaker 1: and Israel's response to Palestine, not Jewish people's response, but
Speaker 1: Israel's response to the people in Palestine.
Speaker 2: I believe it would be exactly the same.
Speaker 1: If I lived in an alternate universe where Palestine was
Speaker 1: bombing people and they had every single justification, and they
Speaker 1: were doing it as ethically as possible as they could,
Speaker 1: and everything was all buttoned up as much as they
Speaker 1: could make it, and they could pass inspection or take
Speaker 1: it to court and win, you know whatever.
Speaker 2: I would have the same response.
Speaker 1: If I looked at the numbers and I saw that
Speaker 1: there were ultimately less Jewish children in the world as
Speaker 1: a result of a Palestinian campaign. Living in that reality
Speaker 1: for me would be unconscionable, and my reaction would be
Speaker 1: the same.
Speaker 2: And so the love that I have.
Speaker 1: For Jewish people is for the people first, the culture second.
Speaker 1: And I recognize, and you and I have this conversation before,
Speaker 1: that there is a finite number of Jewish people. When
Speaker 1: I found that, I think you might have been the
Speaker 1: one that told me that that there was it was.
Speaker 1: It might have been like sixteen million Jewish people on
Speaker 1: Earth or some incredibly, you see what I mean, what
Speaker 1: a small number? Right, So, human beings that value human beings,
Speaker 1: human beings that recognize our path would recognize, oh, we're
Speaker 1: losing this precious group of people, and that is not
Speaker 1: the world that I want to live in. We need
Speaker 1: to be growing this group of people. These people are
Speaker 1: valuable and special and precious. And all of these narratives
Speaker 1: and all of these anti Semitic comments and all these
Speaker 1: Kanye West people and people that allow that to have
Speaker 1: all that sort of stuff, you know, these Nazi salutes
Speaker 1: by these people on stages and whatever. That is the
Speaker 1: sort of thing I push back against. But I like
Speaker 1: to think that I would keep that same energy when
Speaker 1: it comes to Palestine, just like if the roles were reversed,
Speaker 1: I'd keep that same energy if it was the nation
Speaker 1: state of Palestine that was taking out buildings and institutions
Speaker 1: and lives of Jewish people, and then where do we
Speaker 1: go from there? And everybody's okay with this? There's a
Speaker 1: stunning silence, and indeed there's a documentary that comes out
Speaker 1: that provides some cover, which again I understand, Ami, I do,
Speaker 1: I understand.
Speaker 2: Because people need to be able to say their peace
Speaker 2: with this.
Speaker 1: Society indeed is built on you say what happened, I
Speaker 1: say what happened, and there's a judge or arbitrator whoever
Speaker 1: that finds out what the truth will be. That will
Speaker 1: be chronicled and we will move forward as a society
Speaker 1: based on that. So having the other the opposing narrative
Speaker 1: I suppose is valid. But the end result, the thing
Speaker 1: that you said, People's reaction is strongest when they're digesting that.
Speaker 1: The end result I believe is consistent with what I
Speaker 1: know to be human morality. In short, people A that
Speaker 1: don't have anything to do with this, and B that
Speaker 1: are dying. It's so permanent. What will be Palestine on
Speaker 1: the other side of this? And again, when you reverse
Speaker 1: the roles, what would be Israel on the other side
Speaker 1: of a similar campaign in the hypothetical universe is where
Speaker 1: I find myself. So your response to that will move
Speaker 1: to I want to make sure I give you the
Speaker 1: last word as often as I can, But your response
Speaker 1: to that will move to some other topics.
Speaker 3: Look, h what you said is part of the reason why
Speaker 3: I love because you do have a big heart, and
Speaker 3: I do believe that you would have the same response
Speaker 3: if if, if, if the shoe is the on their foot,
Speaker 3: I think you said, I I believe because I know
Speaker 3: you and you're honest. But my response that is, we
Speaker 3: don't live in a perfect world. In fact, I would
Speaker 3: argue that perfect the perfect, is the enemy of the good,
Speaker 3: and every time we try to pursue perfection and saying, look,
Speaker 3: every life is precious. First of all, not every life
Speaker 3: is precious. Right, anyone who's a murder or a killer,
Speaker 3: his life is less precious than an innocent person. Certainly,
Speaker 3: any any innocent life is something that we that we
Speaker 3: any any good person more right, And obviously no one
Speaker 3: wants to have innocent life or not a not no,
Speaker 3: Actually it's part of the problem. Some do want innocent
Speaker 3: lives to be lost. But good people, all good people
Speaker 3: don't want innocent lives loss. Certainly Israel doesn't want innocent
Speaker 3: lives lobs and it bothers them, you know. There there
Speaker 3: was a famous quote by Goldemeyer. She was a Prime
Speaker 3: Minister of Israel, right, female prime minister of Israel, and
Speaker 3: she had a number of very famous quotes, and one
Speaker 3: of her more famous ones were the one thing I
Speaker 3: will never forgive the Palaestudians for is making us kill
Speaker 3: their children. It's a powerful statement because it says two things.
Speaker 3: One is the fact that she so in her bones
Speaker 3: like most Israelis do not want to kill Palestinian kids.
Speaker 3: But on the other hand, understands the reality of the
Speaker 3: situation that sometimes we're forced to right and that it
Speaker 3: bothers us to our bones. But that's the reality when
Speaker 3: we're facing war.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 3: There's also a famous saying in Israel, which is the
Speaker 3: moment all Padians put their weapons down is the moment
Speaker 3: we have peace in the region. And the moment Israel
Speaker 3: puts its weapons down is the moment we have genocide.
Speaker 3: I think there's a difference. There is a difference, operating difference.
Speaker 3: The mantra of look the truth is that this this
Speaker 3: this this argument is it was left op, was left
Speaker 3: bare and open and and obvious. When the the mantra
Speaker 3: of the Palestinian protesters in America and in Europe is
Speaker 3: from the river to the sea. And I don't want
Speaker 3: to I don't want to wash that over saying, oh,
Speaker 3: it's just some kind of random thing. It's not. It's
Speaker 3: a very specific statement which means they don't want self
Speaker 3: determination of these people, of of just the West Bank,
Speaker 3: and and and and Gaza. I'm for that, I'm for
Speaker 3: their self determination. I want a healthy, strong Palestinian state
Speaker 3: that works with Israel, Paladian people, that works with Israel
Speaker 3: to make the region a better place. Well, when they
Speaker 3: the river to the sea is a very specific concept.
Speaker 3: It is we want to get rid of every Jew
Speaker 3: that lives between the Jordan River and the ocean and
Speaker 3: the sea right the Mediterranean Sea, and they want it
Speaker 3: cleansed of Jews. They want the Palestinian nation to take
Speaker 3: all of the land. And that's what Israel's fighting against.
Speaker 3: And yes, there have been innocent people who have died,
Speaker 3: and good people moan more than that, and certainly I do.
Speaker 3: At the end of the day, we have to look
Speaker 3: at ultimately how it's producting conducting itself, and I would
Speaker 3: say it's conducting yourself in a in a one of
Speaker 3: the most if not the most ethical war we've seen,
Speaker 3: an urban warfare.
Speaker 2: Okay, I think that to a lot of people.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna I'm going to back up to the same
Speaker 1: hypothetical here and again last word is yours. But if
Speaker 1: there was there's a version of this that we had
Speaker 1: to deal with where let's say Ramses is the decider.
Speaker 1: I get to decide who lives and who dies. And
Speaker 1: there is a Palestinian person or a Jewish person, let's
Speaker 1: say a Jewish person who is a bad person. Right,
Speaker 1: This Jewish person is attacking the world. Right, this Jewish
Speaker 1: person is evil, the epitome of evil, just a bad apple, Okay.
Speaker 1: And in order to get to that Jewish person, I
Speaker 1: had to shoot a bullet through the head of a
Speaker 1: Jewish little girl. Now I could shoot through this little girl,
Speaker 1: hit that bad person, and rid the will of this evil.
Speaker 1: I'm safer my children, I'm safe for everyone safer, right,
Speaker 1: But I have to shoot through this little Jewish girl's head,
Speaker 1: and then I'm telling myself that that's just the price
Speaker 1: of doing war. Sometimes you just have to eliminate people
Speaker 1: and that's collateral damage. That's a very callous way of
Speaker 1: looking at it, and that's what it feels like. And
Speaker 1: there are people this is going to be a moral
Speaker 1: debate for all of the ages, but this is what
Speaker 1: I'm trying to say, where my line is because living
Speaker 1: in a world without that little Jewish girl is not
Speaker 1: worth living in a world without that evil Jewish man. Okay,
Speaker 1: give me twenty seconds your response and then we'll move
Speaker 1: to Another's.
Speaker 3: So fascinating because it does get the crux of what
Speaker 3: we're talking about.
Speaker 2: Huh.
Speaker 3: And ultimately one has is that a war crime? Right?
Speaker 3: Is that a war crime? And there's very specifical rules
Speaker 3: on what makes a war crime. And the truth is
Speaker 3: is that the Geneva Convention says if the person you're shooting,
Speaker 3: that evil Jewish person you're shooting, is going to kill
Speaker 3: more of your side than that one girl that you
Speaker 3: have intelligence saying he is perpetrating more damage that one death.
Speaker 3: According to the laws of war, you could do that,
Speaker 3: you could hit a school.
Speaker 2: So that means according to the laws of AMI.
Speaker 3: No, these are no, not at all.
Speaker 2: So you agree with this law.
Speaker 3: Oh look, yeah, I think that there's they're there for
Speaker 3: a reason.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and and and just for me again, for me,
Speaker 1: that is unconscionable.
Speaker 2: So we'll leave that one. We'll leave that one right there,
Speaker 2: because I do I actually love that about you. Well,
Speaker 2: well let's leave it right there. Thank you for that.
Speaker 2: But I want to get to some other stuff because
Speaker 2: we got a lot to cover it, all right.
Speaker 3: So.
Speaker 2: Let's bring it back home.
Speaker 1: According to some recent polls that I read, around ninety
Speaker 1: percent of Republicans approve of Donald Trump's current performance in office.
Speaker 1: So I'm going to get your thoughts. We don't have
Speaker 1: a lot of time because we talked a lot about that,
Speaker 1: but we'll come back to.
Speaker 2: It if we need to.
Speaker 1: Republicans, most Republicans approve of Trump's performance, Uh, talk to
Speaker 1: us about why that is and what Republicans are seeing
Speaker 1: that the rest of the world is missing because outside
Speaker 1: of Republicans, not a lot of people are fans of
Speaker 1: what Donald Trump's doing, not even Elon Musk as of late.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I didn't know that that ninety percent number. I
Speaker 3: thought the number to come down a little bit recently.
Speaker 1: But yeah, yeah, maybe this is a little old because
Speaker 1: I planned on talking to you about this, But give
Speaker 1: me about thirty seconds.
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's good Trump, bad Trump, right that this has
Speaker 3: been the story of Trump since the beginning. There's stuff
Speaker 3: about Trump that I love, that I think is great,
Speaker 3: that I think is helpful, and there's stuff about Trump
Speaker 3: that drives me insane, I don't like, I don't support,
Speaker 3: So I think for most people in the country, frankly,
Speaker 3: it's a mixed bag. Look, Republicans are always going to
Speaker 3: support the Republican candidate, right, and the Republican president and
Speaker 3: Democrats and the support the Democratic president. I think, you know,
Speaker 3: Joe Biden probably had a number similar to to uh
Speaker 3: to Trump. But ultimately, I think what people voted for
Speaker 3: were somebody's gonna come in and say we're going to
Speaker 3: change the way things are done because what we have
Speaker 3: seen in the last four years has not been good
Speaker 3: for the country. Uh, And I think he has changed
Speaker 3: things for good and for bad.
Speaker 1: Okay, Well, giving that insight, I think that's gonna set
Speaker 1: us up for the next part of the show.
Speaker 2: So stick around and will be right back