WEBVTT - Ep. 208: BEAR GREASE [RENDER] - Pit Vipers, Outwitting Turkeys, & Coon Skin Hats

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<v Speaker 1>My name is Clay Nukeleman. This is a production of

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<v Speaker 1>the Bear Grease podcast called The Bear Grease Render, where

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<v Speaker 1>we render down, dive deeper, and look behind the scenes

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<v Speaker 1>of the actual bear Grease podcast, presented by f h

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<v Speaker 1>F Gear, American made purpose built hunting and fishing gear

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<v Speaker 1>that's designed to be as rugged as the place as

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<v Speaker 1>we explore.

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<v Speaker 2>This is quite an environment we have in here for

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<v Speaker 2>the render right now. It is everybody's heart as racing.

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<v Speaker 1>A lot, not me and Brad and bears bear.

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<v Speaker 2>Nope, you feel no increased anxiety in your nervous system

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<v Speaker 2>right now.

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<v Speaker 1>Hey, if that if what is in that bucket was

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<v Speaker 1>crawling across my left, you just chill. I mean, it's

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<v Speaker 1>probably not.

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<v Speaker 2>Like an equine animal its census fear.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, is that right? Brad?

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<v Speaker 3>Is that why that one's being weird right now? I

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<v Speaker 3>don't know, because I'll just be honest. I am not

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<v Speaker 3>cool as a cucumber, Josh.

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<v Speaker 1>Really, your heart's beating fast knowing that.

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<v Speaker 2>A little it's not like it's I think it's anticipation, Okay.

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<v Speaker 2>I think once we talk about it and see it,

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<v Speaker 2>I'll calm down a little bit. But I have to

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<v Speaker 2>be honest at my heart rate is well a little.

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<v Speaker 1>Why Josh's heart is palpating is because within about two

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<v Speaker 1>feet of him is a in.

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<v Speaker 2>A bucket two feet on either side.

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<v Speaker 1>Is that a tell us what that is? Brad?

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<v Speaker 4>This is a timber rettlesnake, and that is a Western

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<v Speaker 4>diamondback rettle snake.

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<v Speaker 1>There in five gallon They look like snake. Well, the

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<v Speaker 1>depot buckets, but it's a but it's a lid that

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<v Speaker 1>is made for an animal. Looks like it's got holes

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<v Speaker 1>in it. We got a bunch of snakes in here.

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<v Speaker 1>We've got a diamondback, a timber rattler, and a Teastern

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<v Speaker 1>indigo snak. Which one do you want to show us first?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I don't know. We want to show him right now?

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<v Speaker 2>Should we introduce?

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<v Speaker 1>Okay man, I'm just so excited. We've got no mystery guest. Guys.

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<v Speaker 1>Mystery guests is over. This is Brad Birchfield. Brad is uh.

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<v Speaker 3>He's really sorry, Brad, that was the lame introd.

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<v Speaker 1>Doesn't need an he doesn't need a fancy mystery intro.

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<v Speaker 1>I have Josh land bridge Fieldmaker, Bear John nukeomb here

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<v Speaker 1>Bush Whack to Turkey this week mistery Newcomb, who is

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<v Speaker 1>very scared over here, and then her guests of Brad

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<v Speaker 1>Birchfield for those for those who are anticipating this render,

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<v Speaker 1>we're going to talk about the cobra scare, but we're

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<v Speaker 1>going to have our own cobra scare today. We have

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<v Speaker 1>lots of snakes in here.

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<v Speaker 2>Brad.

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<v Speaker 1>How long you been into snakes man?

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<v Speaker 2>Ever?

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<v Speaker 4>Since I was a small child, like I would say,

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<v Speaker 4>my earliest memory is probably about four four years old,

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<v Speaker 4>just being really obsessed. I was into dinosaurs as a child,

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<v Speaker 4>a lot of snakes.

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<v Speaker 2>We have a dinosaur I did.

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<v Speaker 4>My dad built me a dinosaur in my backyard, twelve

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<v Speaker 4>foot tall and still there. Yeah, my dad built the

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<v Speaker 4>dinosaurs in the city of mountain.

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<v Speaker 1>Berg, you know those big giant dinosaurs in the city

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<v Speaker 1>of mountain Burg here in Arkansas.

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<v Speaker 4>So my father built those due to my obsession with reptiles.

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<v Speaker 4>But you know, wow, that was back in the seventies

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<v Speaker 4>when there was just books and like, you couldn't find

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<v Speaker 4>real dinosaurs, but you could find reptiles, and so it

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<v Speaker 4>was kind of easy transition into snakes, I guess.

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<v Speaker 1>But Brad, you are I don't know you real well,

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<v Speaker 1>but you're the most normal snake guy.

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<v Speaker 2>I would agree. I appreciate that. Yes, yes, world, you do.

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<v Speaker 4>Tend to run into some extreme personalities.

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<v Speaker 2>Snake yes people and big cat people.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, they're kind of in the same category, you think, so, Brad, Oh,

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<v Speaker 1>absolutely do you have any big cats? Never wanted on desire.

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<v Speaker 4>But a funny side note, I was watching The Tiger

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<v Speaker 4>King or whatever when and the first episode there's actually

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<v Speaker 4>a guy I knew that was on there.

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<v Speaker 1>So wow, so small world. Now you're you're you're not

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<v Speaker 1>How how do you classify your stuf because you're not

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<v Speaker 1>a You're not a like an academic herpetologist.

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<v Speaker 4>My degree is in journalism. Uh, but I just have

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<v Speaker 4>become obsessed with snakes as a small child and just

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<v Speaker 4>studied them and was just fascinated with them. And I

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<v Speaker 4>probably should have went to college. They said to go

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<v Speaker 4>to college for what you're passionate about, and I'm like,

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<v Speaker 4>I don't know, because now I think if I went

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<v Speaker 4>snak up and never day, I'd probably get bored with

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<v Speaker 4>it and hate it.

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<v Speaker 2>You know. So what do you do?

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<v Speaker 1>So you have pet snakes, but you also catch snakes?

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, well I do a lot of we would call

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<v Speaker 4>a herpticulturist I believe is the correct terminology, and that's

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<v Speaker 4>someone who's in that world. But it's not a scientific

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<v Speaker 4>a degree scientist. It does stuff. But we me and

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<v Speaker 4>some friends.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah that's your title, Yes, a herbiculturists.

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<v Speaker 6>Man, that's a good time.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's hard to spell too.

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<v Speaker 4>Get business cards, but yeah, we run with a lot

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<v Speaker 4>of people with degrees in biology and stuff like that.

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<v Speaker 4>We just do it for fun. But I do a

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<v Speaker 4>lot of educational programs for Boy Scouts and you know,

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<v Speaker 4>nature centers, game and fish nature centers and stuff like that.

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<v Speaker 4>And it's just kind of been a function of having

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<v Speaker 4>you know, forty something snakes at your house and your

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<v Speaker 4>wife says, why do you need these snakes? And I said, well,

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<v Speaker 4>it's for education. I want to show these two kids

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<v Speaker 4>and stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>And she's like, oh, he's a philanthropist thus far.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, Can I ask a follow up question? How how'd

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<v Speaker 3>you sell that to your wife? I mean at some

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<v Speaker 3>point she wasn't your wife and you had to convince her.

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<v Speaker 4>Funny story. Okay, everything I tell you will be this

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<v Speaker 4>starts with a funny story. Yeah, when we were dating,

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<v Speaker 4>she thought it was very amusing that I like snakes,

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<v Speaker 4>and so on our dates we'd go driving the roads

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<v Speaker 4>at night looking for you know, road cruising for snakes,

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<v Speaker 4>and it was all fun. And then the day we

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<v Speaker 4>got married, that all ended. And I had a couple

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<v Speaker 4>of snakes at that point, which she wasn't real happy with.

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<v Speaker 4>But we had an upstairs bedroom and I kept them

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<v Speaker 4>up there, and they were kind of out of.

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<v Speaker 2>The upstairs bedroom. That seems logical.

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<v Speaker 4>Actually a few got out, but anyway, so after we

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<v Speaker 4>got kids, the snakes got evicted. So I have to

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<v Speaker 4>build a big building in my backyard to house my snakes.

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<v Speaker 4>So I have a separate building now that I keep

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<v Speaker 4>my snakes in, which she didn't realize was going to

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<v Speaker 4>free me up to get more snakes. Yes, now I've

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<v Speaker 4>got like between forty and fifty. I'm not really sure

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<v Speaker 4>what kind of snakes do you have? Just a lot of,

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<v Speaker 4>like say, all the most of the Arkansas species. And

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<v Speaker 4>then I've got some.

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<v Speaker 2>How many Arkansas species are there?

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<v Speaker 4>There are thirty eight species snakes in Arket's a only

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<v Speaker 4>six of them are venomous, okay, but I keep all

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<v Speaker 4>the venomous except a coral snake. I've had coral snakes,

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<v Speaker 4>but they're kind of quirky to keep in captivity. They

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<v Speaker 4>don't do well over time, so I just kind of

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<v Speaker 4>don't worry about them anymore. I've got a rubber one

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<v Speaker 4>that I use in my snake presentations. But I've got

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<v Speaker 4>a lot of like corn snakes and different kinds of

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<v Speaker 4>king snakes. And you've heard of a bull snake. I've

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<v Speaker 4>heard West bull snake. Go for snake. It's kind of

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<v Speaker 4>like the black rat snake of the West. I really

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<v Speaker 4>like that genus. So I've got several of those. And

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<v Speaker 4>then I've only got one exotic snake. It's called a

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<v Speaker 4>Andros Island boa, and there's not much information on them

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<v Speaker 4>on the internet.

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<v Speaker 2>It's really strange.

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<v Speaker 4>But we went to a snake nerd symposium and they

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<v Speaker 4>had a silent auction and my son was about seven,

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<v Speaker 4>and he pulled the old Joey off of friends and

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<v Speaker 4>had bid on everything in the room because he thought

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<v Speaker 4>it was like guess the price. And so as they're

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<v Speaker 4>reading the silent auction winners, I won a pocket knife,

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<v Speaker 4>a thermometer, and then the snake and I won. I

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<v Speaker 4>didn't want it. Yeah, Sig ended up with the snakes

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<v Speaker 4>that's the only non native snake. I don't really get

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<v Speaker 4>any exotics.

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<v Speaker 1>So you never owned a cobra?

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<v Speaker 4>No, No, I have a friend that has had cobra's

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<v Speaker 4>and I've messed with them, and it's just not my thing.

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<v Speaker 4>They're very quirky, very easily agitated, very intimidating. There's kind

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<v Speaker 4>of like super fast and just you know, most of

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<v Speaker 4>the native snakes are all pretty chill and you can

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<v Speaker 4>kind of read their body language. Cobras are kind of

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<v Speaker 4>on another plane.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, my first question, so the main reason I wanted

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<v Speaker 1>you to come today was how do I get a cobra? Well,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm I am going to I'm going to own a cobra.

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<v Speaker 4>So that is an odd thing since the Internet. I mean,

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<v Speaker 4>there are places that sell all sorts of nasty, venous snakes.

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<v Speaker 4>Like you can order a black Mambo, you can order

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<v Speaker 4>a gabooon viper cobra's if you've got a credit card.

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<v Speaker 4>Do they just show up in the mail? Now, you

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<v Speaker 4>have to ship at Delta Dash. It's got to be

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<v Speaker 4>picked up at the airport and dropped off the airport.

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<v Speaker 4>And I mean there's some you.

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<v Speaker 1>Know, so the regulations here are pretty loose.

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<v Speaker 4>Compared to some other states. Yeah, so five years ago

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<v Speaker 4>in Arkansas it was the wild West. There were really

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<v Speaker 4>no laws on snakes. Really, you could have anything. Nobody cared.

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<v Speaker 4>And then Game and Fish came up with a proposal

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<v Speaker 4>to kind of regulate it and make you buy permit

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<v Speaker 4>and you have to if you're keeping inless snakes, you're

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<v Speaker 4>supposed to have a finleans keeper permit that you have

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<v Speaker 4>to you know, meet some criteria. And then I think

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<v Speaker 4>seventy five dollars a year and then.

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<v Speaker 1>Any venomous snake. Yeah, okay, seventy five bucks a year. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>that's not a problem.

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<v Speaker 2>No, that's what I'm saying. It's a bargain.

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<v Speaker 6>But you're not getting a cobra.

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<v Speaker 1>Come on, how cool would it be? No, I commemorate

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<v Speaker 1>the Cobra Scare podcast, and well almost cobra.

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<v Speaker 2>We'll put the cobra in the Burgers Hall of Fame.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, we'll put a cobra emblem on the burgaryse logo.

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<v Speaker 3>Thereah, I just think about how often his mules get out,

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<v Speaker 3>and like how challenging that is to handle.

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<v Speaker 6>And now I'm going to have a snake while he's gone.

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<v Speaker 1>No, So Brad, the uh so you have forty snakes. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>forty is and uh, tell me about when you're going

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<v Speaker 1>out into the wild. And first of all, let me

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<v Speaker 1>just make clear Brad is not He doesn't sell snakes.

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<v Speaker 1>He doesn't like catch him and kill him like Brad is.

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<v Speaker 1>So Bear picked up a road kill copperhead that I

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<v Speaker 1>put on my Instagram story this week when he killed

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<v Speaker 1>his turkey. It was a copper head with its head

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<v Speaker 1>cut off, which to those of us like me and

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<v Speaker 1>Brad that love snakes, that's in you know, you just

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<v Speaker 1>don't kill snakes anymore. Yeah, it probably Bear just when

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<v Speaker 1>he put in his truck after it, he was already dead.

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<v Speaker 1>They ran over it and pretty much, I just I'm

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<v Speaker 1>not going to use the head. And so Brad was like,

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<v Speaker 1>I was glad that that was a road kill. And

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<v Speaker 1>so I want to just clarify Brad's not killing snakes.

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<v Speaker 1>He would be the last person in the world to

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<v Speaker 1>kill a snake. But you do go out into the

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<v Speaker 1>wild and catch snakes, ye tell me, Like, what do

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<v Speaker 1>you do? Like if me and you were to go

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<v Speaker 1>out this Saturday just to have a big time, what

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<v Speaker 1>will we.

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<v Speaker 4>Do well this time of year? You know, it's like, honey,

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<v Speaker 4>there's all these seasonal things. So right now is a

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<v Speaker 4>good time to flip artificial cover like ten trash boards.

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<v Speaker 4>So if you can find an old collapse barn or

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<v Speaker 4>an old chicken house, that's where there's gonna be snakes

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<v Speaker 4>in that, yep, And you flip that tin and you'll

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<v Speaker 4>find stuff under there because the tin heats up. Snakes

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<v Speaker 4>get under there in the night when it's cool, and

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<v Speaker 4>then it heats up quicker and then they can go

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<v Speaker 4>out and forage. They get energy from that. But that

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<v Speaker 4>and flipping rocks, you know.

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<v Speaker 1>So you'll go out and just you're just like, hey,

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<v Speaker 1>we're gonna try to find a snake today. Oh yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>you find a snake every time you go.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, pretty much. I don't get skunked a lot. But

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<v Speaker 4>you know, depends on what species. Some things are harder

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<v Speaker 4>to find than others.

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<v Speaker 1>So what if I told you that I wanted to

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<v Speaker 1>see a big timber rattlesnake. I'm not asking you where

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<v Speaker 1>we would go, but what would we do.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, we'd probably find a like a south or southwest

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<v Speaker 4>facing slope, a lot of rocks, some open canopy because

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<v Speaker 4>they like, you know, to regulate between the shade and

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<v Speaker 4>the sun to regulate their temperature. And it's pretty predictable

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<v Speaker 4>once you kind of figure out, you know, connect the dots.

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<v Speaker 1>Really, so it's the habitat.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, so this is yeah, one hundred percent.

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<v Speaker 1>We could find one for real right today?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, for real. Is there a certain time of the

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<v Speaker 2>day that they're more prone to be in the afternoon?

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<v Speaker 4>I mean it all depends on temperature, you know, night, No, Now,

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<v Speaker 4>once it gets summertime, it gets too hot. Something that

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<v Speaker 4>people don't realize a lot of times is snakes are

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<v Speaker 4>not very heat tolerant, just like they're not very cold tolerant.

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<v Speaker 4>So in the wintertime, you know, snakes is too cold.

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<v Speaker 4>In the summertime, you won't have snakes out crawling because

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<v Speaker 4>it's too hot. So they go up under your porch

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<v Speaker 4>and they wait till dark and then they come back

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<v Speaker 4>out and they go tonight. So if you ask that

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<v Speaker 4>question in mid June or July, I'd say, we're not

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<v Speaker 4>gonna find anything out in the woods to day, So

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<v Speaker 4>we'll just wait till tonight and then drive some roads

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<v Speaker 4>and you'll find.

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<v Speaker 1>Why are you finding snakes on roads?

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<v Speaker 2>It's just transitional areas they're crossing it's not.

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<v Speaker 1>I used to think that they would come up on

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<v Speaker 1>the blacktop to gather heat doing cool nights. So that's

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<v Speaker 1>a thing that's true.

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<v Speaker 2>That's absolutely true, because we did.

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<v Speaker 1>The same thing. We used to catch a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>snakes on roads, on blacktop roads. But I always wondered

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<v Speaker 1>if that was really true, or if that's just if

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<v Speaker 1>you drive thirty miles a road, you're gonna just random

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<v Speaker 1>chance the snake's just gonna be crossing.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, especially pitt vipers, because like say, when it cools off,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, they're ectothermic, which means they're the same temperature

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<v Speaker 4>as the air, and so once it gets cool that

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<v Speaker 4>the road surfaces like a battery charger for all practical purposes,

0:13:37.080 --> 0:13:38.680
<v Speaker 4>they get on that and sit for a while, absorb

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<v Speaker 4>that heat, and then they've got more energy to you know,

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<v Speaker 4>forage and look for food in the night or reproduce

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<v Speaker 4>or whatever.

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<v Speaker 1>Now this is a dumb question, but you knew that

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<v Speaker 1>you could have a round eyed venomous snake.

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<v Speaker 4>Well I was gonna say that was I don't know

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<v Speaker 4>that guy, but he's right in a certain perspective. So

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<v Speaker 4>venomous snakes, all the pit vipers have elliptical pupils like

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<v Speaker 4>a cat eyes. Everybody thinks that that's one hundred pcent true.

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<v Speaker 4>The problem is in low light, their pupils expand just

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<v Speaker 4>like ours do. So if you come up on a

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<v Speaker 4>copperhead at night and you hit him with a light,

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<v Speaker 4>his his eyes won't look like a slit, they'll look

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<v Speaker 4>round because his pupils vlated and so. So technically what

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<v Speaker 4>he said, you know, it's true. But now coral snakes

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<v Speaker 4>are the only venomous snake with a round pupil. They

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<v Speaker 4>truly have a round pupil all the time.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so they're daytime hunters.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, yeah, But like I say, all the pit vipers,

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<v Speaker 4>they're going to have elliptical pupils unless they've been out

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<v Speaker 4>in the dark and their eyes have dilated and they

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<v Speaker 4>can see better.

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<v Speaker 2>Have you ever come across a coral snake?

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<v Speaker 1>Never seen a coral snake? I've seen that that false

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<v Speaker 1>coral snake. That's a king snake.

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<v Speaker 4>What is that a milk snake? Yeah, then there's a

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<v Speaker 4>scarlet king snake.

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<v Speaker 1>Have you ever seen a coral snake in the wild

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<v Speaker 1>in Arkansas?

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<v Speaker 4>Not in Arkansas?

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<v Speaker 1>There's they are supposed to be here.

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<v Speaker 4>They are.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you think they really are on? Yeah, well, why

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<v Speaker 1>hadn't you found thee.

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<v Speaker 4>It's they have very specific conditions. Coral snakes really weird.

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<v Speaker 4>They call them fossisorial snakes, which means they stay under leaf,

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<v Speaker 4>litter and cover. And the reason we don't have them

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<v Speaker 4>up here in the Ozarks the washtalls is the ground's

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<v Speaker 4>too hard down in South Arkansas between Texas, Canna, Camden, Eldorado,

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<v Speaker 4>there's a rough triangle there that's that piny woods habitat

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<v Speaker 4>with the soft sandy soil. That's what they like. So

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<v Speaker 4>that's the only part of ours. So you can find

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<v Speaker 4>it there. But they're so reclusive they stay under the cover.

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<v Speaker 4>The only time you'll really find them. The best time

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<v Speaker 4>to find coral snakes is after a hard rain, like

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<v Speaker 4>if you have a really hard rain. Now, yep, the

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<v Speaker 4>ground gets wet and they come up and they'll be

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<v Speaker 4>on the surface. But most of the time you've got.

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<v Speaker 1>So they're not in the mountains, they're not in the highlands.

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<v Speaker 4>Nope, just that very limited range in southern Arkansas.

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<v Speaker 1>What do you make of these these what appears to

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<v Speaker 1>us to be an imitator snake, like a snake that

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<v Speaker 1>is mimicking another snake. Like, so, Misty, there's the coral

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<v Speaker 1>snake is a it's a it's a beautiful snake, black,

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<v Speaker 1>red and yellow striped snake. I mean it looks like

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<v Speaker 1>something your kid would draw when they were two years old. Like,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, it looks like a cartoon. Well, the coral

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<v Speaker 1>snake has a certain pattern. Red touch yellow kill a

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<v Speaker 1>fellow red touch black, friend of jack. So we were

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<v Speaker 1>taught that. Because so when you when you when you

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<v Speaker 1>see this snake, if red touch is yellow, it's a

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<v Speaker 1>coral snake. If red touch is black, it's an animal.

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<v Speaker 4>It's a milk snake.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a milk snake in Arkansas. So anyway, why do

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<v Speaker 1>they do you think they they did the milk snake?

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<v Speaker 1>Had that happen? Well, you know, ready to go.

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<v Speaker 6>Take us into the psychology of the snake.

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<v Speaker 4>A guy wrote a paper on this and I've never

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<v Speaker 4>read it, but he talked about why is there I

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<v Speaker 4>like the way you do signs, Bud, I got to

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<v Speaker 4>that yet, coral snak mimicry because milk snakes occur basically

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<v Speaker 4>from here, you know, from the Gulf coast to Michigan,

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<v Speaker 4>all the way to the East coast and then some

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<v Speaker 4>some out west where there's never been coral snakes historically,

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<v Speaker 4>So why would there be a mimic in an area

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<v Speaker 4>where coral snakes never occurred. And you know, it's sort

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<v Speaker 4>of like all non venous snakes when they get agitated,

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<v Speaker 4>will rattle their tail to make you think it's a rattlesnake.

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<v Speaker 4>It's kind of a warning, and you know it's like

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<v Speaker 4>it's odd, you know, like the hog no snake flares

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<v Speaker 4>its head out like a cobra. Yeah, but there are

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<v Speaker 4>no cobras in the New World. Those are all far

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<v Speaker 4>East snakes, so well until.

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<v Speaker 1>Springfield, yes, and mister Fred, yeah, he probably.

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<v Speaker 4>Let there's a lot of those things that. Yeah, it's

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<v Speaker 4>very interesting and uh, I don't know what the answer is.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, good as long as I know you don't know

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<v Speaker 1>the answer, and just.

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<v Speaker 4>Like I just tell you, yeah, okay, the uh you know,

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<v Speaker 4>it is interesting though that you know, bright colors in

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<v Speaker 4>nature mean danger, and so obviously that's why the coral

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<v Speaker 4>snake probably has bright red colors the worn it would

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<v Speaker 4>be predator. But yeah, and like I say, milksnakes use

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<v Speaker 4>the same defense for it would be predator because they

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<v Speaker 4>said that bright color and anything. I need to leave

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<v Speaker 4>this alone.

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<v Speaker 2>Really. Clay and I were hunting on Wednesday and I

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<v Speaker 2>walked around this little pond and nearly stepped on top

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<v Speaker 2>of a gigantic moccasin.

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<v Speaker 4>Are we sure it was a water moccasin?

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<v Speaker 2>Of course we were. All snakes are scary and water

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<v Speaker 2>water is a cotton mouth.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, I can verify. I got I didn't get a

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<v Speaker 1>great look at it, but it was.

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<v Speaker 2>It was. It was.

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<v Speaker 1>It was as he says, it was a big It

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't that big, Josh, probably a subway sandwich. That's not true.

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<v Speaker 2>It was. I mean he was that big in the

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<v Speaker 2>middle and it darted off. No, he it he jumped

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<v Speaker 2>as I jumped. Yeah, and then he went under leaves,

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<v Speaker 2>and then.

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<v Speaker 4>It's probably not a cotton I will come on.

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<v Speaker 1>I would bet my truck on it. It was, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>I might trust your opinion. I really think it was.

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<v Speaker 1>I just he yelled and jumped, and I looked, and

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<v Speaker 1>where we were at it was a wild place. It

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<v Speaker 1>was way up on top of a mountain, a small

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<v Speaker 1>little pool. It was a weird place to see one.

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<v Speaker 1>But it wasn't abandoned water snake. It was it was.

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<v Speaker 1>It was like that solid uh And I know moccasin

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<v Speaker 1>has a pattern, but sometimes they look solid. I feel

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<v Speaker 1>like it was.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, you know, cotton mouse has such a I refer

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<v Speaker 4>to it as an undeserved reputation of being aggressive. But

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<v Speaker 4>they're just very assertive. They're very sure.

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<v Speaker 2>I like, walk up on one.

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<v Speaker 4>A cotton mouth will usually not take off. It will

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<v Speaker 4>coil up and gape its mouth and just kind of

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<v Speaker 4>warn you. But he did not dart off.

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<v Speaker 2>He kind of just.

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<v Speaker 1>Well it, yeah he did.

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<v Speaker 2>He did leave. Yeah, he did leave.

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<v Speaker 1>He was right by his hole though, like he because

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<v Speaker 1>he just disappeared into like a little roote.

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<v Speaker 2>We look for him.

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<v Speaker 4>It doesn't sound like cotton mouth behavior.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, I'm gonna believe that it was a cotton mouth.

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<v Speaker 2>That my life was indane.

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<v Speaker 1>The way Josh screamed like a woman, Yeah, yeah, that

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<v Speaker 1>is not a good indicator.

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<v Speaker 4>There are very few absolutes in the snake world. And

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<v Speaker 4>I get tickled at our snake programs because everybody wants

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<v Speaker 4>to know that one thing that's you know, fool proof,

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<v Speaker 4>that's the one hundred percent, And there's very few things

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<v Speaker 4>in the stup world that are like that.

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<v Speaker 2>Is there a certain snake that you're like, man, I'd

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<v Speaker 2>really like to find. Oh yeah, there's a list.

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<v Speaker 4>So the top of the Me and a buddy started

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<v Speaker 4>about fifteen years ago wanting to find all the venomous

0:20:47.720 --> 0:20:49.880
<v Speaker 4>snakes in North America. And we're down to.

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<v Speaker 2>Two and one.

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<v Speaker 1>Really you've found all but two? Yeah, hey, uh, I

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<v Speaker 1>don't want to break your your Your rocker is kind

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<v Speaker 1>of touching that snake that.

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<v Speaker 4>Might be he's making noises. Okay, I'll quit rocking.

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<v Speaker 1>So Brad is in a rocking chair and his uh

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<v Speaker 1>one of his very large snakes that's in a white

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<v Speaker 1>like linen bag. Forward, Bear, touch that snake and move it.

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<v Speaker 1>Bear's not afraid of it.

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<v Speaker 2>Just yanked all the way there. There we go.

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<v Speaker 1>Good job Bear.

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<v Speaker 4>But yeah, what were we talking about the venomous caught?

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<v Speaker 4>Oh yeah yeah yeah. So we're on this quest to

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<v Speaker 4>catch all the venomus snakes on the back and all

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<v Speaker 4>we do it's basically like my hobby is like birding.

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<v Speaker 4>You know, people go out all these play similar to

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<v Speaker 4>take a picture, except the birds can kill you. But

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<v Speaker 4>uh so we sat on this quest and there's one

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<v Speaker 4>little montane rattlesnake that occurs in the kind of the

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<v Speaker 4>Boothill section of New Mexico, and it's a Mexican species,

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<v Speaker 4>but it only ranges in the US right there, and

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<v Speaker 4>that's like the yeah, we haven't gotten that one yet,

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<v Speaker 4>and there are very few there, and it's a fairly

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<v Speaker 4>sketchy area to go to because of the illegal stuff

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<v Speaker 4>on the border. And then the other is a subspecies

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<v Speaker 4>of one that science has kind.

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<v Speaker 2>Of did away with.

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<v Speaker 4>But we're we're old, we're clinging to the old ways.

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<v Speaker 4>Is that's called a desert Massissauga.

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<v Speaker 1>Where they live, they.

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<v Speaker 2>Have a really spotty distribution.

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<v Speaker 4>They they're on the coast of Texas, like Brownsville up

0:22:18.800 --> 0:22:23.960
<v Speaker 4>to where's the spring Break place, Padre Island, Padre Island,

0:22:23.960 --> 0:22:26.359
<v Speaker 4>down to Brownsville they occur, and then in West Texas

0:22:26.400 --> 0:22:29.800
<v Speaker 4>they're kind of spotty, and then in Colorado and then

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<v Speaker 4>New Mexico and in Arizona. But they're not just like

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<v Speaker 4>a wide ranging they're very spotty distributions, and science interesting

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<v Speaker 4>kind of doesn't recognize it now. They just call it

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<v Speaker 4>all a western Massissauga, which I found the western Massissauga

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<v Speaker 4>just not the desert. Wow.

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<v Speaker 1>So, okay, have you been bit by a venomous snake

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<v Speaker 1>now envenomed, never had not yet.

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<v Speaker 4>No, Okay, pretty uh, pretty dangerous, you know, deal, And

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<v Speaker 4>you know we understand the the what you know, the

0:22:59.440 --> 0:23:01.720
<v Speaker 4>risk and and you know we're prepared for that because

0:23:01.720 --> 0:23:03.960
<v Speaker 4>if you play with fire long enough, you're probably gonna

0:23:03.960 --> 0:23:04.399
<v Speaker 4>get burnt.

0:23:04.600 --> 0:23:07.320
<v Speaker 1>But what's your what's your take on a guy like

0:23:07.400 --> 0:23:09.840
<v Speaker 1>mister Fred that's been bit so many times and doesn't

0:23:10.119 --> 0:23:14.359
<v Speaker 1>like I've gotta I've gotta tell the well, let me

0:23:14.400 --> 0:23:16.680
<v Speaker 1>tell the rest of the story. I have a recording

0:23:16.720 --> 0:23:19.560
<v Speaker 1>of Fred telling what he did after he got bit

0:23:19.640 --> 0:23:22.800
<v Speaker 1>by that banded Egyptian cobra. Oh yeah, I considered playing it.

0:23:22.840 --> 0:23:26.600
<v Speaker 1>I mean, it's like gold to me, his story. But

0:23:26.840 --> 0:23:29.000
<v Speaker 1>he was a young man, So let me tell that story.

0:23:29.800 --> 0:23:32.320
<v Speaker 2>Oh, we got a new microwave. I got a microwave

0:23:32.359 --> 0:23:33.040
<v Speaker 2>and it still keeps.

0:23:33.160 --> 0:23:35.240
<v Speaker 1>We thought we had that fix. Turns out what we

0:23:35.280 --> 0:23:38.920
<v Speaker 1>thought was beabing and it wasn't beeping. Mister Fred, when

0:23:38.920 --> 0:23:42.159
<v Speaker 1>he got bit by that banded Egyptian cobra bitting him

0:23:42.200 --> 0:23:43.960
<v Speaker 1>right on the hand and got him good, he had to.

0:23:44.000 --> 0:23:46.280
<v Speaker 1>He had to put his foot on the snake and

0:23:46.400 --> 0:23:50.480
<v Speaker 1>pull the cobra off of him. He he tells the

0:23:50.520 --> 0:23:54.399
<v Speaker 1>story of how he finishes doing what he was doing,

0:23:54.560 --> 0:23:59.159
<v Speaker 1>like he was working on something and he finished working

0:23:59.200 --> 0:24:03.360
<v Speaker 1>on it, and then he told the girl that was there, like, hey,

0:24:03.680 --> 0:24:05.600
<v Speaker 1>keep running this place. I'm going to run down to

0:24:05.640 --> 0:24:06.160
<v Speaker 1>the hospital.

0:24:06.160 --> 0:24:07.400
<v Speaker 2>He drove himself to the hospital.

0:24:07.560 --> 0:24:10.640
<v Speaker 1>His wife was with him. But when he gets bit,

0:24:10.800 --> 0:24:14.160
<v Speaker 1>he doesn't check into the hospital because when he was young,

0:24:14.240 --> 0:24:16.240
<v Speaker 1>the first time that he was in venomed by a snake,

0:24:16.240 --> 0:24:20.520
<v Speaker 1>when he was fourteen, he a went into anaphylactic shock

0:24:21.240 --> 0:24:24.919
<v Speaker 1>and nearly died from because of the medicine, And so

0:24:25.440 --> 0:24:28.560
<v Speaker 1>he wants to be close to the hospital in case

0:24:28.600 --> 0:24:30.760
<v Speaker 1>he starts to die, but he doesn't want to check

0:24:30.800 --> 0:24:33.479
<v Speaker 1>himself in. Well, how do you think hospitals feel about that?

0:24:34.320 --> 0:24:37.520
<v Speaker 1>Not great, they don't. They're not real cool on it.

0:24:37.560 --> 0:24:41.760
<v Speaker 1>So he goes into the waiting room and is sitting there,

0:24:42.320 --> 0:24:44.440
<v Speaker 1>and you know, he's holding his arm and he said

0:24:44.480 --> 0:24:48.080
<v Speaker 1>it swelled up to about his elbow, but not that bad,

0:24:48.960 --> 0:24:53.720
<v Speaker 1>no pain. But he said his throat started to close up.

0:24:54.800 --> 0:24:56.639
<v Speaker 1>Whatever kind of venom it would be in a cobra,

0:24:57.040 --> 0:24:59.239
<v Speaker 1>his throat started to close up and he started having

0:24:59.280 --> 0:25:02.040
<v Speaker 1>a hard time breeze and and he was, but but

0:25:02.119 --> 0:25:07.119
<v Speaker 1>his arm just just swelled up. And long story short,

0:25:07.400 --> 0:25:11.720
<v Speaker 1>as I understand that the hospital got word that this

0:25:11.760 --> 0:25:15.760
<v Speaker 1>guy had been bit by a cobra and was like

0:25:15.880 --> 0:25:17.840
<v Speaker 1>waiting it out, and they weren't going to have it,

0:25:17.880 --> 0:25:20.639
<v Speaker 1>And so they bring a kind of a crew of

0:25:20.640 --> 0:25:26.040
<v Speaker 1>people out to kind of like and and Fred, granted,

0:25:26.200 --> 0:25:29.320
<v Speaker 1>is a he's a carneye. I mean like he's a.

0:25:30.480 --> 0:25:33.080
<v Speaker 2>He's a side show. Yeah.

0:25:33.200 --> 0:25:34.360
<v Speaker 1>That's not a bad word.

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<v Speaker 2>Is it.

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<v Speaker 6>I don't I don't think it's one that we say.

0:25:36.720 --> 0:25:38.960
<v Speaker 1>Carnival. He worked at a carnival. I think it's a word.

0:25:39.000 --> 0:25:44.640
<v Speaker 1>I've heard him say. He does it, he mister Fred there.

0:25:44.720 --> 0:25:46.920
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, Take that's a legitimate job.

0:25:47.080 --> 0:25:48.760
<v Speaker 6>Take where I said it's a bad word out.

0:25:48.640 --> 0:25:53.040
<v Speaker 1>No, it's an honorable, honorable trade. Bear you should look

0:25:53.080 --> 0:25:59.240
<v Speaker 1>into getting into the carnival son. And basically he stands

0:25:59.320 --> 0:26:01.800
<v Speaker 1>up to greet the doctor. He sees what's about to happen,

0:26:01.840 --> 0:26:03.200
<v Speaker 1>and he shoots out.

0:26:03.000 --> 0:26:05.480
<v Speaker 2>The door and he's dalling wiry.

0:26:05.400 --> 0:26:09.159
<v Speaker 1>Yes, and it's dark outside, and he runs into the

0:26:09.200 --> 0:26:13.320
<v Speaker 1>woods and and basically runs away and hides. They call

0:26:13.359 --> 0:26:18.240
<v Speaker 1>the police and and there's this man hunt for Fred

0:26:18.440 --> 0:26:22.240
<v Speaker 1>in this town and they're looking for him all night,

0:26:22.320 --> 0:26:24.760
<v Speaker 1>and he sees flashlights and he's down in this little

0:26:24.840 --> 0:26:27.399
<v Speaker 1>ravine and finally he walks out the other side of

0:26:27.400 --> 0:26:31.880
<v Speaker 1>the ravine and it's been like six hours and he's

0:26:32.000 --> 0:26:36.600
<v Speaker 1>fine and he yeah, he's feeling better. And so he

0:26:36.720 --> 0:26:40.880
<v Speaker 1>decides he's gonna walk back to to the snake display

0:26:40.960 --> 0:26:44.240
<v Speaker 1>at the carnival and so he but he knows they're

0:26:44.280 --> 0:26:46.679
<v Speaker 1>looking for him, and he said he wanted to look normal,

0:26:46.720 --> 0:26:49.119
<v Speaker 1>so he went into a Dollar General and bought some

0:26:49.200 --> 0:26:53.040
<v Speaker 1>stuff and carried it in a Dollar General sack, just

0:26:53.080 --> 0:26:56.600
<v Speaker 1>so that he would have like, he just have something

0:26:56.640 --> 0:26:58.760
<v Speaker 1>to do rather than just walking down the road.

0:26:58.800 --> 0:26:59.960
<v Speaker 2>He just have it. Well.

0:27:00.000 --> 0:27:02.479
<v Speaker 1>Well, when he gets back to the carnival, basically the

0:27:02.520 --> 0:27:07.119
<v Speaker 1>carnival owner is like like, just like, I don't know

0:27:07.160 --> 0:27:10.440
<v Speaker 1>if he physically grabbed him, but like they made him

0:27:11.640 --> 0:27:15.120
<v Speaker 1>go back to the hospital and he was like, I'm

0:27:15.160 --> 0:27:17.760
<v Speaker 1>fine and they didn't do anything to him. So anyway,

0:27:17.960 --> 0:27:19.000
<v Speaker 1>he just toughed it out.

0:27:19.320 --> 0:27:21.120
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, wow, that's one way.

0:27:21.800 --> 0:27:23.600
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but that recommends.

0:27:23.600 --> 0:27:26.040
<v Speaker 1>But he's he's been bid over twenty times and he's

0:27:26.080 --> 0:27:29.920
<v Speaker 1>only had antivenom twice. That's impressive, is that? I mean,

0:27:30.040 --> 0:27:30.920
<v Speaker 1>is that normal?

0:27:31.280 --> 0:27:34.800
<v Speaker 4>No, No, I wouldn't say it's normal. You know, talking

0:27:34.800 --> 0:27:38.040
<v Speaker 4>about the anphylectic shock used to They derived the anti

0:27:38.119 --> 0:27:41.080
<v Speaker 4>venom from horse serum, they called it, and the antibodies

0:27:41.119 --> 0:27:43.119
<v Speaker 4>and the horse and ours don't get along, and so

0:27:43.200 --> 0:27:45.560
<v Speaker 4>sometimes the reaction to the antivenom was just bad or

0:27:45.600 --> 0:27:48.840
<v Speaker 4>worse than the bite. So that's completely plausible. And then

0:27:49.880 --> 0:27:52.000
<v Speaker 4>after twenty I don't know, you may be building up

0:27:52.119 --> 0:27:53.880
<v Speaker 4>somewhat of a tolerance to the defense.

0:27:54.359 --> 0:27:55.920
<v Speaker 2>You know, just there it is.

0:27:56.040 --> 0:27:58.479
<v Speaker 4>Once again, in this weird world we live in, there

0:27:58.480 --> 0:28:00.679
<v Speaker 4>are people that self and ventomate, and they do it

0:28:00.800 --> 0:28:04.240
<v Speaker 4>very carefully, build up a tall build up tolerance. Because

0:28:04.520 --> 0:28:06.600
<v Speaker 4>he actually mentioned Bill Host.

0:28:06.400 --> 0:28:07.200
<v Speaker 1>Did you know that name?

0:28:07.280 --> 0:28:08.680
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, he's like.

0:28:08.640 --> 0:28:09.680
<v Speaker 4>The mount Rushing.

0:28:09.680 --> 0:28:11.000
<v Speaker 1>He actually like I should have known it.

0:28:11.080 --> 0:28:14.920
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I was surprised you didn't get a little disappointed

0:28:14.920 --> 0:28:17.160
<v Speaker 4>at me. He has a kind of a roadside attraction

0:28:17.240 --> 0:28:21.200
<v Speaker 4>in Florida. For fifty years it was a snake reptile

0:28:21.240 --> 0:28:23.119
<v Speaker 4>gardens and he had been bitting on hundred I think

0:28:23.119 --> 0:28:24.880
<v Speaker 4>it's one hundred and sixty or one hundred and sixty eight

0:28:24.920 --> 0:28:29.560
<v Speaker 4>times by lies banded crates. King Kobra's like real bad stuff,

0:28:29.920 --> 0:28:32.200
<v Speaker 4>and he got to the point where he could just

0:28:32.480 --> 0:28:35.080
<v Speaker 4>stave it off. Wasn't a big deal, and they got

0:28:35.080 --> 0:28:38.800
<v Speaker 4>blood transfusion from him to save other people's lives because

0:28:39.000 --> 0:28:40.440
<v Speaker 4>he had built up his antibodies.

0:28:40.520 --> 0:28:41.720
<v Speaker 1>So that's that was Bill.

0:28:42.240 --> 0:28:43.440
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, that's crazy.

0:28:43.520 --> 0:28:44.360
<v Speaker 6>That is crazy.

0:28:44.720 --> 0:28:45.280
<v Speaker 2>My dad.

0:28:45.320 --> 0:28:48.200
<v Speaker 1>One time, I wish Dad was here. You probably know

0:28:48.600 --> 0:28:51.520
<v Speaker 1>this guy. I'm not gonna say his name. He watched

0:28:51.520 --> 0:28:54.200
<v Speaker 1>a guy get bit by a copperhead kind of a

0:28:54.520 --> 0:28:56.160
<v Speaker 1>kind of an animal snake guy.

0:28:56.240 --> 0:28:58.080
<v Speaker 4>And I think I know exactly who you're talking.

0:29:00.120 --> 0:29:01.400
<v Speaker 2>Well, Dad, I.

0:29:01.440 --> 0:29:02.880
<v Speaker 1>Mean I don't. I don't know if I would have

0:29:02.880 --> 0:29:07.360
<v Speaker 1>believed it, if somebody else would have. But Dad was like, Claire,

0:29:07.360 --> 0:29:09.560
<v Speaker 1>I mean, he reached down there and that snake just

0:29:10.160 --> 0:29:12.960
<v Speaker 1>nailed him right in the hand. And this guy didn't

0:29:13.000 --> 0:29:14.040
<v Speaker 1>even acknowledge it.

0:29:14.520 --> 0:29:16.360
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, like he wasn't.

0:29:16.760 --> 0:29:20.640
<v Speaker 1>I don't remember the exact circum circumstance. It's been fifteen

0:29:20.720 --> 0:29:23.760
<v Speaker 1>years since I've heard the story. And Dad said, did

0:29:23.760 --> 0:29:26.200
<v Speaker 1>that snake just bute you? And he, you know, almost

0:29:26.280 --> 0:29:28.440
<v Speaker 1>as if the question was offensive to him. He was

0:29:28.480 --> 0:29:32.760
<v Speaker 1>like yeah, And I was like, okay, all right, well

0:29:32.840 --> 0:29:36.800
<v Speaker 1>let's let's go anyway. I don't undert I don't understand.

0:29:36.880 --> 0:29:38.160
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, that's not a good plan.

0:29:38.240 --> 0:29:38.760
<v Speaker 2>I mean.

0:29:43.080 --> 0:29:45.320
<v Speaker 4>We tell people the best snake bite kit, you know,

0:29:45.400 --> 0:29:48.640
<v Speaker 4>they make these things you can still buy supporting good stores.

0:29:49.000 --> 0:29:51.880
<v Speaker 4>It's got a nice little surgery kit with section cups

0:29:51.880 --> 0:29:53.720
<v Speaker 4>and a razor, and it's kind of like.

0:29:53.640 --> 0:29:55.000
<v Speaker 1>Wait, is that the way to go though?

0:29:55.160 --> 0:29:57.240
<v Speaker 2>No, so what do you what?

0:29:57.240 --> 0:29:59.680
<v Speaker 1>What? What do you carry in the field for.

0:30:00.320 --> 0:30:03.400
<v Speaker 4>A cell phone and a set of car keys by

0:30:03.480 --> 0:30:04.000
<v Speaker 4>far the best.

0:30:04.080 --> 0:30:05.640
<v Speaker 1>There's nothing, you can do nothing.

0:30:05.680 --> 0:30:08.400
<v Speaker 4>The only thing that will treat snake bite is anti

0:30:08.480 --> 0:30:11.240
<v Speaker 4>venom and that some people always say, do you take

0:30:11.280 --> 0:30:12.800
<v Speaker 4>that with you have it at your house or the thing? No,

0:30:12.880 --> 0:30:14.600
<v Speaker 4>it's something that's got to be kept under you know,

0:30:15.200 --> 0:30:18.000
<v Speaker 4>really controlled conditions. Then it's got to be diluted in

0:30:18.200 --> 0:30:21.200
<v Speaker 4>saline and injected. It's not something you can just.

0:30:21.160 --> 0:30:21.840
<v Speaker 2>Have it up with.

0:30:21.960 --> 0:30:25.640
<v Speaker 4>Yeah I wish it was, but yeah, so it's uh yeah,

0:30:25.720 --> 0:30:28.320
<v Speaker 4>the only the only option is to get to a hospital.

0:30:28.560 --> 0:30:31.840
<v Speaker 1>So, okay, you're in the woods, you're back a mile

0:30:31.880 --> 0:30:34.600
<v Speaker 1>and a half, you get bit by timberrelllsnake.

0:30:35.080 --> 0:30:36.479
<v Speaker 2>What do you do? Uh?

0:30:36.640 --> 0:30:38.840
<v Speaker 4>The first thing be try to stay calm, which would

0:30:38.840 --> 0:30:42.840
<v Speaker 4>probably be hard, and then uh, you know, walk as

0:30:42.920 --> 0:30:46.440
<v Speaker 4>fast as you could without getting winded back to a

0:30:46.520 --> 0:30:49.400
<v Speaker 4>vehicle and get get you know, to a hospital.

0:30:49.480 --> 0:30:50.400
<v Speaker 1>It's just that simple.

0:30:50.680 --> 0:30:52.640
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, it really is. I mean, because, like I say,

0:30:52.680 --> 0:30:55.840
<v Speaker 4>there's really nothing else you can do. Tourniquets are such

0:30:55.880 --> 0:30:58.000
<v Speaker 4>a bad idea because you know the old timers, they'd say,

0:30:58.000 --> 0:30:59.840
<v Speaker 4>put a tourniquet on it and then cut ex's on it.

0:31:00.040 --> 0:31:02.160
<v Speaker 4>Out of a second. Once the venom hits your skin

0:31:02.200 --> 0:31:05.920
<v Speaker 4>and subcutaneous level, it's in your all over. Yeah, and

0:31:06.080 --> 0:31:08.720
<v Speaker 4>if you you know, section that off with a tourniquet,

0:31:08.760 --> 0:31:11.200
<v Speaker 4>you're keeping this venom in there. Well, venom, it's not

0:31:11.240 --> 0:31:15.080
<v Speaker 4>only a poison, it's also a digestive enzyme basically helps

0:31:15.080 --> 0:31:18.080
<v Speaker 4>digest the food at the pit viper's eat. So when

0:31:18.120 --> 0:31:20.360
<v Speaker 4>you pull that venom up in one area and don't

0:31:20.440 --> 0:31:23.040
<v Speaker 4>let it dilate through the body, you.

0:31:22.960 --> 0:31:25.120
<v Speaker 1>Know it's gonna it's it's gonna be terrible worse.

0:31:25.400 --> 0:31:31.720
<v Speaker 4>So yeah, basically, if you're three four hours from medical

0:31:31.800 --> 0:31:34.480
<v Speaker 4>tension that's life threatening problem, then you're probably gonna need

0:31:34.560 --> 0:31:36.480
<v Speaker 4>a helicopter or something, you know.

0:31:36.560 --> 0:31:37.800
<v Speaker 1>Call your buddy with a chopper.

0:31:37.960 --> 0:31:40.760
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, it could get serious real quick. But you know

0:31:40.840 --> 0:31:43.840
<v Speaker 4>if you're within. A friend of ours is doctor Spencer

0:31:43.880 --> 0:31:47.200
<v Speaker 4>Green in Houston, and he's like the the expert and

0:31:47.240 --> 0:31:49.040
<v Speaker 4>snake back in the United States. He's probably treated more

0:31:49.040 --> 0:31:52.720
<v Speaker 4>than anybody, all the other doctors combined. But he always said,

0:31:53.200 --> 0:31:56.480
<v Speaker 4>roughly two hours. You got two hours, you know, really

0:31:56.480 --> 0:31:58.240
<v Speaker 4>two hours, you know, And there's a lot of it

0:31:58.400 --> 0:32:02.560
<v Speaker 4>all for any Let let me clarify though, there's a

0:32:02.560 --> 0:32:04.200
<v Speaker 4>lot of you know, there's a lot of disparity in

0:32:04.240 --> 0:32:06.720
<v Speaker 4>the severity of the bite because sometimes snakes will do

0:32:06.720 --> 0:32:08.760
<v Speaker 4>what's called a dry bite, where it's just kind of

0:32:09.000 --> 0:32:10.680
<v Speaker 4>you annoyed the snake and he's just telling you leave

0:32:10.720 --> 0:32:13.000
<v Speaker 4>me alone, and he doesn't inject any venom. And then,

0:32:13.240 --> 0:32:15.400
<v Speaker 4>like I said, and a snake controlled that, Yes.

0:32:15.360 --> 0:32:18.520
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, weren't you paying attention on episode four I did.

0:32:18.600 --> 0:32:21.960
<v Speaker 4>That was clearly covered, but it just I remember that.

0:32:23.000 --> 0:32:25.040
<v Speaker 4>But yeah, they can control the amount of venom. And

0:32:25.400 --> 0:32:27.360
<v Speaker 4>if they're you know, himmed up on your porch by

0:32:27.440 --> 0:32:29.840
<v Speaker 4>Jack Russell Terrier and you get bit, that snake's probably

0:32:29.840 --> 0:32:32.160
<v Speaker 4>gonna sock it to you. Whereas if you're just walking

0:32:32.160 --> 0:32:33.560
<v Speaker 4>out in your yard and flip flock and you actually

0:32:33.560 --> 0:32:35.960
<v Speaker 4>step on one, it may be a dry bite. But

0:32:36.080 --> 0:32:37.840
<v Speaker 4>you know, so there's a lot of variables. But he

0:32:38.080 --> 0:32:41.720
<v Speaker 4>his ballpark was if you're within two hours of emergency

0:32:41.720 --> 0:32:43.520
<v Speaker 4>medical care, you're probably gonna be fine.

0:32:43.760 --> 0:32:44.120
<v Speaker 1>Wow.

0:32:44.320 --> 0:32:45.760
<v Speaker 2>But you know there are exceptions of that.

0:32:45.800 --> 0:32:48.440
<v Speaker 4>If it's a huge snake and you've got a really

0:32:48.480 --> 0:32:50.880
<v Speaker 4>long walk in your Hartket salvator, you know, bad things

0:32:50.880 --> 0:32:54.280
<v Speaker 4>can happen. I think we have roughly six snake bite

0:32:54.280 --> 0:32:57.240
<v Speaker 4>deaths a year in the United States un States, and mostly.

0:32:57.120 --> 0:32:59.720
<v Speaker 1>The trend of what snake is killing people.

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<v Speaker 4>It's Eastern diamondbacks.

0:33:01.080 --> 0:33:03.720
<v Speaker 2>Are the most venomous that we have in the stone.

0:33:05.160 --> 0:33:10.200
<v Speaker 4>Proved an Eastern diamondback. I think it's technically the most dangerous.

0:33:10.520 --> 0:33:13.320
<v Speaker 1>The most the most potent venom Yes.

0:33:13.520 --> 0:33:15.760
<v Speaker 4>But they're in a limited range and you don't see

0:33:15.800 --> 0:33:17.480
<v Speaker 4>them that often Western dimond backs.

0:33:17.560 --> 0:33:19.760
<v Speaker 2>Just to remind everybody, we have one of those in

0:33:19.920 --> 0:33:21.080
<v Speaker 2>a bucket right here.

0:33:21.200 --> 0:33:23.000
<v Speaker 1>We're gonna look at him, We're gonna look at him

0:33:23.000 --> 0:33:25.040
<v Speaker 1>in just a minute. But he can take it. You know.

0:33:25.120 --> 0:33:27.200
<v Speaker 4>That's one of the myths on snake bite is you

0:33:27.200 --> 0:33:29.440
<v Speaker 4>know a lot of people will hear this and be like, oh,

0:33:29.480 --> 0:33:32.760
<v Speaker 4>I've heard that. Uh, baby, snakes can't control the amount

0:33:32.760 --> 0:33:34.520
<v Speaker 4>of venom. If they bite you, they just hit you

0:33:34.560 --> 0:33:37.480
<v Speaker 4>the everything they got and then baby snake's venom is

0:33:37.520 --> 0:33:39.720
<v Speaker 4>like highly refined. It's more dangerous than a big snake.

0:33:39.960 --> 0:33:41.320
<v Speaker 4>That is not the case. That's one of the few

0:33:41.360 --> 0:33:43.720
<v Speaker 4>things that is in stone, and snake bite is a

0:33:43.760 --> 0:33:45.680
<v Speaker 4>bigger snake always is going to be a worst.

0:33:45.520 --> 0:33:49.120
<v Speaker 1>Bite really because the volume of venom.

0:33:49.000 --> 0:33:50.600
<v Speaker 2>And the you know, the hardware.

0:33:50.600 --> 0:33:52.239
<v Speaker 4>If you think about a baby snake is things are

0:33:52.240 --> 0:33:53.800
<v Speaker 4>going to be little and a big snake's on that

0:33:53.920 --> 0:33:57.600
<v Speaker 4>big stronger fans. So there's that's one of the few

0:33:57.640 --> 0:33:59.480
<v Speaker 4>things that is pretty much in stone. It's a bigger

0:33:59.480 --> 0:34:00.920
<v Speaker 4>snakes cut a worse bat.

0:34:01.600 --> 0:34:03.840
<v Speaker 2>Do you have a question, do all snakes have the

0:34:04.480 --> 0:34:10.600
<v Speaker 2>have the the and the the venom is from a

0:34:10.640 --> 0:34:14.000
<v Speaker 2>gland by the fangs or it actually comes through the fangs.

0:34:13.719 --> 0:34:15.600
<v Speaker 4>It comes through the things or like a hyperdiermerent meel.

0:34:15.640 --> 0:34:17.359
<v Speaker 2>Are all snakes that way? No?

0:34:17.440 --> 0:34:22.200
<v Speaker 4>Just okay, So coral snake is in the lapid.

0:34:22.400 --> 0:34:25.440
<v Speaker 1>That's that's like cut like my cobras.

0:34:24.920 --> 0:34:27.520
<v Speaker 4>And unlike the cobra. Well now they're pretty much similar.

0:34:27.600 --> 0:34:30.799
<v Speaker 4>They have fixed front fangs, but they're fairly primitive. That's

0:34:30.800 --> 0:34:33.400
<v Speaker 4>why I don't consider coral snakes that dangerous because they

0:34:33.400 --> 0:34:35.680
<v Speaker 4>have very You have to be really dumb to get

0:34:35.680 --> 0:34:38.600
<v Speaker 4>bit by a coral snake. They have to latch on

0:34:38.680 --> 0:34:40.839
<v Speaker 4>and basically chew until they break the skin, and they

0:34:40.880 --> 0:34:45.080
<v Speaker 4>almost salivate the venom into your system. Interesting, whereas a

0:34:45.120 --> 0:34:47.680
<v Speaker 4>pit viper hits you in the blink of an eye

0:34:47.719 --> 0:34:48.280
<v Speaker 4>and they've being.

0:34:48.280 --> 0:34:51.239
<v Speaker 1>But a cobra when he hits you, he bites onto you. Yeah,

0:34:51.280 --> 0:34:53.560
<v Speaker 1>he does show their chewers too, but he gets you

0:34:53.640 --> 0:34:54.120
<v Speaker 1>quick though.

0:34:54.200 --> 0:34:57.400
<v Speaker 4>Yeah. And they have bigger, more well developed fangs than

0:34:57.440 --> 0:34:58.200
<v Speaker 4>like a coral snake.

0:34:58.280 --> 0:35:01.920
<v Speaker 1>That's that's a little spookier that and you know, yeah,

0:35:02.120 --> 0:35:04.319
<v Speaker 1>a pit viprate when he strikes you, I mean it's

0:35:04.320 --> 0:35:06.680
<v Speaker 1>like he's just like punching you. It's like pop pop,

0:35:06.760 --> 0:35:09.080
<v Speaker 1>And then he comes back a cobra when he hits you,

0:35:09.280 --> 0:35:12.600
<v Speaker 1>like he's gonna yeah, even if he isn't trying to

0:35:12.640 --> 0:35:15.840
<v Speaker 1>eat you, because like if you got a bit by cobra,

0:35:16.120 --> 0:35:19.759
<v Speaker 1>like he knows he's not he's not striking to eat you, right,

0:35:20.440 --> 0:35:21.960
<v Speaker 1>he still would latch onto you.

0:35:22.040 --> 0:35:23.560
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, he's trying to intimate you.

0:35:24.000 --> 0:35:24.239
<v Speaker 2>Wow.

0:35:24.440 --> 0:35:25.920
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's risky.

0:35:27.680 --> 0:35:30.759
<v Speaker 6>I have I've got I've got a couple of good snake.

0:35:30.560 --> 0:35:32.400
<v Speaker 2>Stories, good snake stories.

0:35:32.520 --> 0:35:34.920
<v Speaker 3>I have good snake stories. And one I have a

0:35:35.000 --> 0:35:38.840
<v Speaker 3>question about that. Maybe maybe he can answer. Do we

0:35:38.840 --> 0:35:39.759
<v Speaker 3>have time for snake stories?

0:35:39.800 --> 0:35:40.560
<v Speaker 2>Okay, okay?

0:35:41.000 --> 0:35:41.560
<v Speaker 6>First story.

0:35:41.840 --> 0:35:46.120
<v Speaker 3>When our kids were little, probably like seven, Bear was

0:35:46.120 --> 0:35:49.759
<v Speaker 3>probably seven, Josh's son was probably nine or ten. We

0:35:49.800 --> 0:35:54.280
<v Speaker 3>would go on hikes and hit Josh's Josh Bilmaker's wife, Christy,

0:35:54.320 --> 0:35:56.040
<v Speaker 3>and I would go with all of our kids, and

0:35:56.040 --> 0:36:00.279
<v Speaker 3>so together we had like seven kids together, all a

0:36:00.280 --> 0:36:02.279
<v Speaker 3>pa a pascle of kids. So one day we were

0:36:02.320 --> 0:36:05.080
<v Speaker 3>out on a on a hike. I remember Shep was

0:36:05.120 --> 0:36:07.000
<v Speaker 3>five because he had just gotten his tubes out of

0:36:07.000 --> 0:36:09.920
<v Speaker 3>his ear. And we were out there hiking and we

0:36:09.920 --> 0:36:14.239
<v Speaker 3>were on some big underneath some big bluffs, and these

0:36:14.280 --> 0:36:16.960
<v Speaker 3>snakes literally just start coming off the bluff.

0:36:16.960 --> 0:36:22.920
<v Speaker 2>Do you remember this, Yeah, yeah, yeah.

0:36:21.200 --> 0:36:26.440
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, And they just and and David, David was probably nine,

0:36:26.480 --> 0:36:29.680
<v Speaker 3>and he screamed snakes and it's like these snakes are

0:36:29.800 --> 0:36:33.759
<v Speaker 3>raining from the heavens and we all start screaming, and

0:36:33.960 --> 0:36:38.560
<v Speaker 3>Christy grabs Shepherd so tight, and.

0:36:38.560 --> 0:36:40.200
<v Speaker 2>I believe the words that came out of your mouth

0:36:40.239 --> 0:36:44.040
<v Speaker 2>were plural. Oh yeah, I think.

0:36:44.080 --> 0:36:47.960
<v Speaker 3>I just say, yeah, I think I think you.

0:36:48.160 --> 0:36:49.920
<v Speaker 6>For some reason I got into the grammar of it.

0:36:50.719 --> 0:36:54.080
<v Speaker 3>Well yeah, and then they kind of went away, and

0:36:54.280 --> 0:36:57.240
<v Speaker 3>all of us were just like, what just happened?

0:36:57.520 --> 0:36:58.120
<v Speaker 1>How many snakes?

0:36:58.120 --> 0:36:59.080
<v Speaker 2>Do you think? So too?

0:36:59.160 --> 0:37:04.840
<v Speaker 3>There were two, but it felt like snake's ray for

0:37:04.920 --> 0:37:08.040
<v Speaker 3>the heaven. And Christie let go of Shepherd and He's

0:37:08.160 --> 0:37:11.240
<v Speaker 3>just like, screwy.

0:37:11.520 --> 0:37:14.000
<v Speaker 6>Because and Christy said, who was I holding?

0:37:14.040 --> 0:37:18.360
<v Speaker 2>I'm so sorry. I'm like pretty sure was That's a

0:37:18.680 --> 0:37:21.719
<v Speaker 2>response my wife has when she sees a snake on

0:37:21.800 --> 0:37:22.360
<v Speaker 2>a movie.

0:37:23.320 --> 0:37:25.120
<v Speaker 1>I wish you could have been here today.

0:37:25.640 --> 0:37:29.480
<v Speaker 2>She would not have done it. Yeah, well, so were

0:37:29.480 --> 0:37:30.040
<v Speaker 2>they racing?

0:37:31.680 --> 0:37:31.919
<v Speaker 4>No?

0:37:32.080 --> 0:37:33.120
<v Speaker 1>Were they What were the.

0:37:38.080 --> 0:37:41.680
<v Speaker 2>Numbers on top of their That's hard to.

0:37:43.280 --> 0:37:45.839
<v Speaker 4>Guess, would be that might be some sort of den

0:37:46.080 --> 0:37:49.600
<v Speaker 4>hybernaculum and they were coming out and gravity took hold

0:37:49.680 --> 0:37:50.600
<v Speaker 4>and or you know.

0:37:51.160 --> 0:37:53.279
<v Speaker 1>Yeah they were if I remember it right, of course,

0:37:53.320 --> 0:37:55.239
<v Speaker 1>I was like seven. But there were like a lot

0:37:55.239 --> 0:37:57.560
<v Speaker 1>of holes and they were like going in and out

0:37:57.560 --> 0:38:00.600
<v Speaker 1>of the holes whenever they got down on the ground.

0:38:01.040 --> 0:38:02.920
<v Speaker 1>That look like more than ones.

0:38:03.400 --> 0:38:04.600
<v Speaker 2>So there are definitely two, but.

0:38:06.920 --> 0:38:17.160
<v Speaker 1>Plural okay, okay, plural? Can we I want to see

0:38:17.160 --> 0:38:19.759
<v Speaker 1>these snakes. Can we get one out? Well, I mean

0:38:20.000 --> 0:38:22.279
<v Speaker 1>you tell me, you tell me. If it's not a

0:38:22.280 --> 0:38:23.040
<v Speaker 1>good idea.

0:38:22.800 --> 0:38:24.319
<v Speaker 4>We can know we can certainly get them out.

0:38:24.600 --> 0:38:27.040
<v Speaker 1>Well, I mean I brought them. I need you to

0:38:27.080 --> 0:38:30.719
<v Speaker 1>stay miked up though, that's the problem. Okay, wait, what

0:38:30.800 --> 0:38:33.200
<v Speaker 1>if what if we we cleared out you a space

0:38:33.280 --> 0:38:35.840
<v Speaker 1>right here? We can do that here, Misty, you should

0:38:36.120 --> 0:38:39.040
<v Speaker 1>need no just stand up and back up, bear, back up,

0:38:39.120 --> 0:38:41.600
<v Speaker 1>Josh to come over here. I just want to I

0:38:41.640 --> 0:38:42.640
<v Speaker 1>just want to see one.

0:38:43.719 --> 0:38:46.560
<v Speaker 2>So so I think I'll take this off.

0:38:46.840 --> 0:38:49.799
<v Speaker 1>Well, I don't want you to try not to yell.

0:38:51.520 --> 0:38:55.000
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I need the the other one.

0:38:55.160 --> 0:38:58.920
<v Speaker 1>This is uh, Brad, you are gonna make your Can

0:38:58.920 --> 0:39:02.799
<v Speaker 1>you have me my phone right there? Yes, sir, you're

0:39:02.840 --> 0:39:06.360
<v Speaker 1>gonna make a name. You're gonna be on the legendary

0:39:06.440 --> 0:39:14.440
<v Speaker 1>list of render participants by bringing by default. Oh my,

0:39:15.080 --> 0:39:16.239
<v Speaker 1>look at that bad boy.

0:39:17.400 --> 0:39:18.040
<v Speaker 2>I'll get it out.

0:39:18.080 --> 0:39:22.600
<v Speaker 4>You'll have to come closer, okay, Oh my lord. Sometimes

0:39:22.600 --> 0:39:24.440
<v Speaker 4>he gets a little excited if he strikes.

0:39:24.880 --> 0:39:28.200
<v Speaker 2>And you found this, yea, is this a snake that

0:39:28.239 --> 0:39:29.479
<v Speaker 2>you found, Brad? Yeah?

0:39:29.520 --> 0:39:31.320
<v Speaker 4>This is a local animal.

0:39:31.560 --> 0:39:32.240
<v Speaker 1>Is it really?

0:39:32.800 --> 0:39:34.960
<v Speaker 2>Holy smokes?

0:39:36.480 --> 0:39:38.560
<v Speaker 1>So yeah, that's what I'm talking about.

0:39:38.440 --> 0:39:42.080
<v Speaker 4>What's interesting is here in Arkansas and eastern Oklahoma, these

0:39:42.120 --> 0:39:45.719
<v Speaker 4>get really large. Now out west, when you see diamondbacks,

0:39:45.760 --> 0:39:50.279
<v Speaker 4>they're kind of long and spinley, kind of oh, just

0:39:50.400 --> 0:39:53.000
<v Speaker 4>not big and thick like this, But in the range

0:39:53.040 --> 0:39:55.480
<v Speaker 4>here in Arkansas and Oklahoma, they get really large.

0:39:55.960 --> 0:39:59.560
<v Speaker 1>Now is he Is he a little more docile because

0:39:59.560 --> 0:40:00.520
<v Speaker 1>you've messed with him?

0:40:00.880 --> 0:40:03.280
<v Speaker 4>Now, if I got close, she would see a definite

0:40:03.400 --> 0:40:05.320
<v Speaker 4>change in his So he's not like friendly.

0:40:05.480 --> 0:40:09.120
<v Speaker 1>Huh, No, good thing I'm wearing my See, look at

0:40:09.120 --> 0:40:09.960
<v Speaker 1>the boots I'm wearing.

0:40:10.719 --> 0:40:11.879
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, that's probably a good thing.

0:40:13.560 --> 0:40:15.160
<v Speaker 1>Wow, hey, big boy.

0:40:15.320 --> 0:40:18.600
<v Speaker 4>Sometimes it's easier to control him just by holding him

0:40:18.600 --> 0:40:22.520
<v Speaker 4>like this. So the curious thing about these is, like

0:40:22.560 --> 0:40:25.120
<v Speaker 4>I say, most of the deaths from rattlesnakes the United

0:40:25.120 --> 0:40:27.880
<v Speaker 4>States come from this species, and it's because they have

0:40:27.920 --> 0:40:30.400
<v Speaker 4>a huge range. They're all the Southwest, and they're pretty

0:40:30.480 --> 0:40:35.400
<v Speaker 4>quick to get upset and bite and see that head.

0:40:36.239 --> 0:40:39.080
<v Speaker 4>I think the lethal dose for an adult human would

0:40:39.120 --> 0:40:41.880
<v Speaker 4>be like one hundred and fifty milligrams of venom, and

0:40:41.960 --> 0:40:43.719
<v Speaker 4>he could probably dose she was about four hundred to

0:40:43.760 --> 0:40:44.440
<v Speaker 4>six hundred.

0:40:44.239 --> 0:40:46.920
<v Speaker 1>Millions, So just like straight up die from that.

0:40:47.000 --> 0:40:47.200
<v Speaker 2>Both.

0:40:47.280 --> 0:40:48.560
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, this could be dangerous.

0:40:48.800 --> 0:40:51.800
<v Speaker 2>But what is that snake? Probably fifty two inches long.

0:40:52.440 --> 0:40:55.280
<v Speaker 4>The last time measured it was seventy seventy.

0:40:55.600 --> 0:40:57.040
<v Speaker 1>How old do you think that snake is?

0:40:57.120 --> 0:40:59.759
<v Speaker 4>This snake is probably twenty five to thirty years old,

0:41:00.520 --> 0:41:01.160
<v Speaker 4>very long lived.

0:41:01.280 --> 0:41:02.200
<v Speaker 1>How long have you had it?

0:41:02.440 --> 0:41:04.719
<v Speaker 4>I've had it for fifteen years and it was this

0:41:04.760 --> 0:41:06.040
<v Speaker 4>big one. I got it.

0:41:05.880 --> 0:41:09.000
<v Speaker 2>Really Yeah, have you had that? Ye oh? Yes?

0:41:09.000 --> 0:41:10.439
<v Speaker 1>How often do you feed him?

0:41:10.800 --> 0:41:11.000
<v Speaker 2>Uh?

0:41:11.040 --> 0:41:13.400
<v Speaker 4>In the summertime about once every other week?

0:41:13.560 --> 0:41:14.359
<v Speaker 1>What do you feed him?

0:41:14.680 --> 0:41:17.680
<v Speaker 4>Interesting story there. So when I got this thing, you're

0:41:17.719 --> 0:41:21.000
<v Speaker 4>doing great. It wouldn't eat. And I tried all different

0:41:21.000 --> 0:41:23.360
<v Speaker 4>colors of rats and mice because you order rats and

0:41:23.360 --> 0:41:26.680
<v Speaker 4>mice online they're frozen. And I tried black ones and

0:41:26.680 --> 0:41:29.480
<v Speaker 4>white ones and gray ones, and then I tried live

0:41:29.520 --> 0:41:30.880
<v Speaker 4>ones and he wouldn't have anything to do with it,

0:41:30.920 --> 0:41:32.879
<v Speaker 4>wouldn't eat. And then one day I was driving home

0:41:32.880 --> 0:41:35.120
<v Speaker 4>with my son and there's a big dead gray squirrel

0:41:35.120 --> 0:41:37.120
<v Speaker 4>in her rode in from of her house and I said, hey,

0:41:37.120 --> 0:41:39.600
<v Speaker 4>grab that squirrel and we threw it in the cage

0:41:39.600 --> 0:41:40.400
<v Speaker 4>and he ate it.

0:41:40.600 --> 0:41:41.200
<v Speaker 2>No way.

0:41:41.480 --> 0:41:44.680
<v Speaker 1>Wow, this one was like feeding it old country boy

0:41:44.719 --> 0:41:47.680
<v Speaker 1>a corn dog. So now it was like, this is

0:41:47.719 --> 0:41:48.839
<v Speaker 1>the one I've been waiting for.

0:41:48.960 --> 0:41:50.520
<v Speaker 4>I keep a pellet gun by the door, and every

0:41:50.560 --> 0:41:51.640
<v Speaker 4>time I see a squirrel in the yard.

0:41:51.880 --> 0:41:53.919
<v Speaker 1>So how how often do you feed him?

0:41:54.320 --> 0:41:56.440
<v Speaker 2>Uh? About every other week in the summer?

0:41:56.680 --> 0:41:58.840
<v Speaker 1>Really were Wow?

0:41:58.960 --> 0:42:02.279
<v Speaker 2>What a I would like this to not mean the

0:42:02.280 --> 0:42:03.960
<v Speaker 2>first time that Brad gets bit by.

0:42:05.440 --> 0:42:09.440
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, well I'll put that one in there if he'll go.

0:42:09.640 --> 0:42:12.640
<v Speaker 2>Sometimes he has a problem going.

0:42:13.120 --> 0:42:15.280
<v Speaker 1>And now he breaks a lot of his rattles.

0:42:15.320 --> 0:42:18.560
<v Speaker 4>Yes, he is notorious for breaking his rattle. That's why

0:42:18.600 --> 0:42:19.959
<v Speaker 4>he doesn't have a very big one.

0:42:20.120 --> 0:42:23.279
<v Speaker 2>That sound is unnerving. Wow? What to hear this other one?

0:42:24.520 --> 0:42:24.719
<v Speaker 4>Now?

0:42:25.400 --> 0:42:28.520
<v Speaker 1>Okay, wow, good job Brads.

0:42:28.560 --> 0:42:31.480
<v Speaker 2>The closest I've ever been to a rattlesnake that wasn't

0:42:31.520 --> 0:42:35.840
<v Speaker 2>in a cage.

0:42:35.840 --> 0:42:39.120
<v Speaker 4>This is a big timor rattlesnake. This is what old

0:42:39.120 --> 0:42:41.000
<v Speaker 4>timers referred to as a velvet tail.

0:42:41.480 --> 0:42:43.040
<v Speaker 1>Now this is my favorite man.

0:42:43.200 --> 0:42:44.480
<v Speaker 4>Some people call these cambri.

0:42:44.840 --> 0:42:46.600
<v Speaker 1>Is he bigger littler than the other one?

0:42:47.080 --> 0:42:53.160
<v Speaker 2>Well, holy smoke. Girth wise, he's probably a beautiful man.

0:42:53.200 --> 0:42:53.919
<v Speaker 1>I love that.

0:42:55.239 --> 0:42:58.719
<v Speaker 2>Listen, bro, I would like to not get friendly.

0:42:58.440 --> 0:43:00.879
<v Speaker 4>With you, but that one, and if you'll notice, has

0:43:00.880 --> 0:43:04.560
<v Speaker 4>an impressive string of rattles. He's never broken his rattles off.

0:43:06.200 --> 0:43:06.879
<v Speaker 1>Can I do this?

0:43:07.880 --> 0:43:12.200
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, you're good, But the demeanor of the tim rattlesninks

0:43:12.239 --> 0:43:13.319
<v Speaker 4>is quite a bit different.

0:43:13.000 --> 0:43:15.640
<v Speaker 1>Than they are. They are, They not as upset.

0:43:15.960 --> 0:43:18.480
<v Speaker 4>They will they will tolerate a lot more.

0:43:19.000 --> 0:43:23.560
<v Speaker 1>Good job, missy, mister put your headset on Misty's back

0:43:23.800 --> 0:43:24.480
<v Speaker 1>in the corner.

0:43:26.320 --> 0:43:28.920
<v Speaker 4>Hand on the man. But yeah, this one's got an

0:43:28.960 --> 0:43:32.760
<v Speaker 4>impressive string of rattles. I think there's like twenty twenty

0:43:32.800 --> 0:43:34.600
<v Speaker 4>six or twenty eight. I can't remember last time I

0:43:34.600 --> 0:43:38.480
<v Speaker 4>count them, but wow, they get Like I say, that's

0:43:38.520 --> 0:43:40.799
<v Speaker 4>about as big as one you'll see in Arkansas. I've

0:43:40.800 --> 0:43:42.160
<v Speaker 4>only found that one.

0:43:42.680 --> 0:43:43.800
<v Speaker 1>Does that send you a video?

0:43:44.160 --> 0:43:44.680
<v Speaker 4>Yeah?

0:43:44.719 --> 0:43:47.480
<v Speaker 2>That was that was a He probably.

0:43:47.160 --> 0:43:49.600
<v Speaker 1>Wasn't that big, but it was.

0:43:49.080 --> 0:43:50.720
<v Speaker 4>A big one. Yeah, that was awesome.

0:43:51.120 --> 0:43:54.680
<v Speaker 1>Now I feel like right now that snake like I

0:43:54.680 --> 0:43:57.080
<v Speaker 1>could reach down and touch it, uk you could.

0:43:57.080 --> 0:43:59.120
<v Speaker 4>I wouldn't recommend it, but.

0:43:58.600 --> 0:44:03.280
<v Speaker 1>But he's he's not Could he come from that position

0:44:03.360 --> 0:44:04.359
<v Speaker 1>and hit me right now?

0:44:04.800 --> 0:44:07.719
<v Speaker 4>So that's something I was gonna say. It's interesting about cobras.

0:44:08.000 --> 0:44:12.439
<v Speaker 4>So cobras can basically only strike straight down these guys.

0:44:12.440 --> 0:44:14.279
<v Speaker 4>If I get over here, he's gonna sling back over

0:44:14.320 --> 0:44:17.680
<v Speaker 4>and hit me. Cobras would have to turn around, and

0:44:17.719 --> 0:44:19.640
<v Speaker 4>that's that's one thing that they're a little easier to.

0:44:19.760 --> 0:44:22.360
<v Speaker 2>That snak is probably three three and a half inches

0:44:22.400 --> 0:44:23.480
<v Speaker 2>in diameter, and it's that.

0:44:23.600 --> 0:44:26.919
<v Speaker 1>Part more than that. I bet now he's as big

0:44:26.960 --> 0:44:29.160
<v Speaker 1>a round as a good subway sandwich in the middle.

0:44:29.239 --> 0:44:30.840
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, it's definitely that.

0:44:30.840 --> 0:44:33.319
<v Speaker 2>That water moccasin that I almost stepped on is probably three

0:44:33.320 --> 0:44:36.279
<v Speaker 2>times that, is that, right? I really wish you.

0:44:36.280 --> 0:44:37.120
<v Speaker 4>Would have gotten a picture.

0:44:37.760 --> 0:44:39.080
<v Speaker 2>This been the state record.

0:44:39.680 --> 0:44:45.160
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I love now what what he's in a certain

0:44:45.320 --> 0:44:46.880
<v Speaker 1>phase like that the.

0:44:46.719 --> 0:44:52.120
<v Speaker 4>Coloration kind of the blonde phase in Arkansas. Now, he's

0:44:52.160 --> 0:44:54.279
<v Speaker 4>pretty much gonna stay this color. In Arcantel, you get

0:44:54.280 --> 0:44:56.520
<v Speaker 4>some of their kind of gray, have different tones of gray,

0:44:56.560 --> 0:44:58.200
<v Speaker 4>and then you get some that's kind of olive green,

0:44:58.719 --> 0:45:00.200
<v Speaker 4>and then you get this phase which is kind of

0:45:00.239 --> 0:45:02.279
<v Speaker 4>like a blond phase, which is pretty light.

0:45:02.800 --> 0:45:08.920
<v Speaker 1>Now, okay, Brad has critiqued my snake catching. It's not

0:45:09.080 --> 0:45:10.719
<v Speaker 1>good to catch him by the back of the head.

0:45:10.920 --> 0:45:14.560
<v Speaker 4>No why Okay, So right now his fangs are folded

0:45:14.640 --> 0:45:16.439
<v Speaker 4>up in the top of his mouth. If I reach

0:45:16.480 --> 0:45:18.000
<v Speaker 4>down to get him by the neck. Guess where his

0:45:18.040 --> 0:45:21.080
<v Speaker 4>fangs are pointed right into my fingers, and they can

0:45:21.080 --> 0:45:23.120
<v Speaker 4>bite through their bottom jaw. If they get mad enough,

0:45:23.120 --> 0:45:24.520
<v Speaker 4>they'll poke their fans.

0:45:24.280 --> 0:45:26.480
<v Speaker 2>Through their jaw, So that is bad.

0:45:26.960 --> 0:45:29.680
<v Speaker 4>So, like I say, if the best thing is to

0:45:29.800 --> 0:45:31.759
<v Speaker 4>not touch them at all, but if you have to

0:45:33.320 --> 0:45:36.279
<v Speaker 4>the best technique is to like let them stretch out

0:45:36.600 --> 0:45:38.160
<v Speaker 4>and get him by the tail, yeah, and get the

0:45:38.160 --> 0:45:40.439
<v Speaker 4>head going away from you. Yeah, and then you can

0:45:40.640 --> 0:45:46.160
<v Speaker 4>pretty much gently come under the tail and then let's say,

0:45:46.920 --> 0:45:49.680
<v Speaker 4>once they're supported, God, that's big sting.

0:45:51.880 --> 0:45:54.479
<v Speaker 1>Now does he eat squirrels? Uh?

0:45:54.560 --> 0:45:57.760
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, he has what does he prefer?

0:45:57.960 --> 0:46:00.120
<v Speaker 4>He will eat lab producing rats and mice.

0:46:00.680 --> 0:46:02.799
<v Speaker 1>So he's not as picky as not a picky.

0:46:02.680 --> 0:46:06.360
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, the diamondback will only eat squirrels and rabbits that

0:46:06.440 --> 0:46:10.200
<v Speaker 4>are not produced in a lab, wild caught, wildcar profound.

0:46:11.080 --> 0:46:14.120
<v Speaker 2>Wow. Can you strike your hand right there?

0:46:14.320 --> 0:46:14.360
<v Speaker 1>No?

0:46:14.640 --> 0:46:15.320
<v Speaker 2>Not in this position.

0:46:16.120 --> 0:46:18.160
<v Speaker 4>We got gravity working against him. And then, like I say,

0:46:18.200 --> 0:46:20.520
<v Speaker 4>he's using a lot of strength to come back up

0:46:20.719 --> 0:46:21.160
<v Speaker 4>towards me.

0:46:22.239 --> 0:46:24.360
<v Speaker 1>So so if you had him by the back of

0:46:24.440 --> 0:46:27.279
<v Speaker 1>the head right up against his neck, he could still

0:46:27.440 --> 0:46:29.480
<v Speaker 1>like stick his fangs back and hit your hand.

0:46:29.600 --> 0:46:32.359
<v Speaker 4>Yes, really yep, And like I say, that's where your

0:46:32.360 --> 0:46:34.239
<v Speaker 4>fingers are. That's why we don't do that.

0:46:34.520 --> 0:46:35.720
<v Speaker 2>How long have you had this snake?

0:46:36.200 --> 0:46:38.920
<v Speaker 4>This is a retired stud snake from the University of Arkansas.

0:46:39.080 --> 0:46:41.920
<v Speaker 4>Oh really, buddy, Mine was doing research on something with

0:46:41.960 --> 0:46:44.640
<v Speaker 4>timber raddle snakes and he was just up there making

0:46:44.719 --> 0:46:47.960
<v Speaker 4>babies and they were downside of the lab and I said,

0:46:48.000 --> 0:46:49.960
<v Speaker 4>I need a big Was he a wild cot Yeah,

0:46:50.160 --> 0:46:55.480
<v Speaker 4>came from Madison County. That right, Yep. I say, timber

0:46:55.520 --> 0:46:58.000
<v Speaker 4>radlesnakes are a lot more they'll tolerate a lot more

0:46:58.080 --> 0:47:00.799
<v Speaker 4>than the diamondbacks. Because you can see he's pretty much

0:47:00.880 --> 0:47:02.879
<v Speaker 4>just annoyed that I'm holding him. What is the number

0:47:02.920 --> 0:47:07.040
<v Speaker 4>of rattles equate to how many times it sheds a year? Okay,

0:47:07.120 --> 0:47:09.920
<v Speaker 4>so he has a good year and he'll shed two

0:47:10.000 --> 0:47:11.400
<v Speaker 4>or three times, he'll get three or four, you know,

0:47:11.440 --> 0:47:13.680
<v Speaker 4>two three segments on the bottom of his rattle. If

0:47:13.680 --> 0:47:15.319
<v Speaker 4>he has a bad year, like a drought and there's

0:47:15.400 --> 0:47:17.960
<v Speaker 4>not much to eat, then he won't you know, he'll

0:47:18.000 --> 0:47:20.520
<v Speaker 4>just shed once. Now I don't sure what he's doing

0:47:20.600 --> 0:47:26.920
<v Speaker 4>here doing that, but yeah, the you can't age a rattlesnake.

0:47:27.160 --> 0:47:29.600
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that that whole how many rattles, how many years?

0:47:29.719 --> 0:47:31.239
<v Speaker 4>Is just not because, like I say, you think that

0:47:31.320 --> 0:47:34.480
<v Speaker 4>diamondback would have a huge section of rattles, but really doesn't.

0:47:35.520 --> 0:47:40.480
<v Speaker 4>So there's the timber rattlesnake right now, this guy.

0:47:41.200 --> 0:47:43.319
<v Speaker 1>That's probably more along the lines what I need.

0:47:43.960 --> 0:47:49.560
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, it's a good starter snake. Now, now the irony

0:47:49.719 --> 0:47:53.239
<v Speaker 4>is venom wise. This guy has got a lot more

0:47:53.640 --> 0:47:57.880
<v Speaker 4>different stuff in his venom, whereas the diamondbacks pretty much

0:47:57.880 --> 0:48:00.840
<v Speaker 4>a straight hemotoxin, which is just the venom that.

0:48:01.280 --> 0:48:04.320
<v Speaker 2>Attacks the red blood cells and destroys the cell walls.

0:48:05.600 --> 0:48:09.600
<v Speaker 4>The timberrel snakes got heema tuxin and neural tousin, which

0:48:09.640 --> 0:48:11.200
<v Speaker 4>is what you get in the coral sticks in the cobras.

0:48:11.600 --> 0:48:11.799
<v Speaker 2>Wow.

0:48:11.880 --> 0:48:14.160
<v Speaker 4>So not only does it cause tissue loss and burning

0:48:14.239 --> 0:48:16.600
<v Speaker 4>and all that, it can also like shut your die

0:48:16.640 --> 0:48:17.080
<v Speaker 4>frame down.

0:48:18.040 --> 0:48:20.920
<v Speaker 2>So okay, we're good, All snakes are up.

0:48:21.200 --> 0:48:22.720
<v Speaker 1>We'll look at that one afterwards.

0:48:22.800 --> 0:48:25.600
<v Speaker 2>Yeah yeah, okay, all rights.

0:48:28.000 --> 0:48:29.879
<v Speaker 1>Wow, that was that was some good.

0:48:29.960 --> 0:48:31.160
<v Speaker 2>That was good. That was good.

0:48:31.360 --> 0:48:36.360
<v Speaker 1>I wish you all could have seen it. So we

0:48:36.480 --> 0:48:40.400
<v Speaker 1>do need to talk about the Cobra Scare podcast. I

0:48:40.840 --> 0:48:43.919
<v Speaker 1>So I got to give credit to my friend Isaac Neil,

0:48:44.320 --> 0:48:48.000
<v Speaker 1>who told me he he's from Springfield. I wanted him

0:48:48.040 --> 0:48:49.200
<v Speaker 1>on this render but he couldn't come.

0:48:50.000 --> 0:48:51.600
<v Speaker 6>Are they still raddling? Is that what I'm here?

0:48:51.920 --> 0:48:52.120
<v Speaker 4>Yeah?

0:48:52.280 --> 0:48:55.719
<v Speaker 1>They're still ling. So Isaac Neil was like, man, there's

0:48:55.760 --> 0:48:57.840
<v Speaker 1>a great story in Springfield. He said, I don't know

0:48:57.880 --> 0:49:00.279
<v Speaker 1>if it's really like a Bear Grease style store, but

0:49:00.760 --> 0:49:02.839
<v Speaker 1>there were some cobras that got loosed the Great Cobra

0:49:02.880 --> 0:49:06.520
<v Speaker 1>Scare of nineteen fifty three. There's a beer in Springfield

0:49:06.600 --> 0:49:10.040
<v Speaker 1>that's named Cobra Scare. And I started researching it and

0:49:10.120 --> 0:49:12.960
<v Speaker 1>I was like, Isaac, this is like big time up

0:49:13.040 --> 0:49:16.719
<v Speaker 1>my alley. And the first two people that I contacted

0:49:17.040 --> 0:49:20.880
<v Speaker 1>were it was Kyle Jeffries at the Mother's Brewery because

0:49:20.960 --> 0:49:23.960
<v Speaker 1>these guys had named a beer Cobra Scare, and then

0:49:24.120 --> 0:49:28.560
<v Speaker 1>he referred me to the museum curator, John Steller's. And

0:49:29.560 --> 0:49:31.719
<v Speaker 1>when I talked to those guys, I was like, this

0:49:31.960 --> 0:49:35.799
<v Speaker 1>is going to be good. And it really was one

0:49:35.840 --> 0:49:38.000
<v Speaker 1>of my favorite podcasts that we've done in a while,

0:49:38.520 --> 0:49:39.640
<v Speaker 1>just because it was so crazy.

0:49:41.640 --> 0:49:43.839
<v Speaker 2>You've had quite the reaction to the video you put

0:49:43.880 --> 0:49:44.520
<v Speaker 2>on Instagram.

0:49:45.160 --> 0:49:49.160
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, yeah, what did you know about that would

0:49:49.160 --> 0:49:50.359
<v Speaker 1>you have known about the cobra scare.

0:49:50.360 --> 0:49:52.360
<v Speaker 4>I heard about that about five years ago, and I

0:49:52.400 --> 0:49:57.200
<v Speaker 4>had never heard it before either what context? Some snake

0:49:57.320 --> 0:50:00.400
<v Speaker 4>person on Facebook had a picture of a to give

0:50:00.480 --> 0:50:02.879
<v Speaker 4>the sheriff holding the dead one there by the car. Yeah,

0:50:02.880 --> 0:50:05.359
<v Speaker 4>it was like, you know, because black and white old,

0:50:05.400 --> 0:50:07.440
<v Speaker 4>It's like, you didn't see many cobras, And I'm like,

0:50:07.520 --> 0:50:09.960
<v Speaker 4>what is this? And I started doing a dig deep

0:50:10.040 --> 0:50:11.640
<v Speaker 4>dive into Google and the next thing you know, I'm like,

0:50:11.719 --> 0:50:12.880
<v Speaker 4>I hadn't no id, I've never heard of.

0:50:12.840 --> 0:50:15.920
<v Speaker 1>This great cobras here fast. What stood out to you

0:50:16.040 --> 0:50:17.600
<v Speaker 1>in that story? Anything stand out to you?

0:50:18.760 --> 0:50:20.319
<v Speaker 2>Just the general.

0:50:21.719 --> 0:50:25.160
<v Speaker 4>Outlook of people and snakes, you know, because in that time,

0:50:25.560 --> 0:50:29.280
<v Speaker 4>you know, totally different time and just everybody being terrified

0:50:29.360 --> 0:50:31.759
<v Speaker 4>and like these things are going to attack us, and

0:50:32.000 --> 0:50:35.239
<v Speaker 4>you know, it's probably wasn't that big a deal. I mean,

0:50:35.280 --> 0:50:37.319
<v Speaker 4>if your kids out playing in the yard and find

0:50:37.400 --> 0:50:40.640
<v Speaker 4>some one, that's obviously bad. But these snakes weren't looking

0:50:40.680 --> 0:50:42.279
<v Speaker 4>for people to bite, you know, They're just trying to

0:50:42.360 --> 0:50:43.359
<v Speaker 4>hide or find food.

0:50:43.800 --> 0:50:47.400
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but you got to give it a little bit

0:50:47.440 --> 0:50:50.800
<v Speaker 1>of credit though. Man, I would I would be spooked

0:50:50.800 --> 0:50:53.120
<v Speaker 1>if they were just like, hey, there's like a bunch

0:50:53.160 --> 0:50:53.960
<v Speaker 1>of cobras out here.

0:50:54.200 --> 0:50:55.960
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and you don't know where they come from, and

0:50:56.040 --> 0:50:58.399
<v Speaker 2>you don't know how many there are. Yeah, so there's

0:50:58.440 --> 0:50:59.080
<v Speaker 2>like three or four.

0:50:59.280 --> 0:51:02.200
<v Speaker 1>I mean, it's it's I bet if that same thing

0:51:02.360 --> 0:51:04.880
<v Speaker 1>happened in any city, it could happen in the country,

0:51:04.920 --> 0:51:07.040
<v Speaker 1>it would be different because people are more spread out

0:51:07.160 --> 0:51:09.920
<v Speaker 1>and the snakes would just kind of like disappear. But

0:51:10.040 --> 0:51:13.040
<v Speaker 1>this happened in right in the middle of downtown Springfield,

0:51:13.600 --> 0:51:15.799
<v Speaker 1>and there was an epicenter and all these snakes were

0:51:15.880 --> 0:51:18.640
<v Speaker 1>like within just like a mile, you know, and so

0:51:18.760 --> 0:51:22.440
<v Speaker 1>they had dispersed from somewhere, and I could see. I

0:51:22.560 --> 0:51:26.319
<v Speaker 1>bet you'd have the same reaction today. Do you think

0:51:27.040 --> 0:51:31.080
<v Speaker 1>probably people just going on lockdown, people getting crazy, people

0:51:32.239 --> 0:51:34.640
<v Speaker 1>trying to do wild stuff, people leaving.

0:51:35.120 --> 0:51:38.520
<v Speaker 5>I mean, I bet people coming, you know. I think

0:51:38.560 --> 0:51:47.239
<v Speaker 5>there's people who Yeah, there'd be yeah, probably yeah.

0:51:48.280 --> 0:51:55.960
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, what uhbing.

0:51:55.600 --> 0:51:56.000
<v Speaker 2>Very hard?

0:51:56.600 --> 0:51:59.960
<v Speaker 1>What stood out to you, Missy from a just whatever

0:52:00.000 --> 0:52:04.480
<v Speaker 1>where you're interested in the snake cobras, the social aspects,

0:52:04.680 --> 0:52:08.480
<v Speaker 1>the motherly aspects of women protecting their their children.

0:52:08.680 --> 0:52:10.120
<v Speaker 6>Well, I mean, I don't think you heard a lot

0:52:10.160 --> 0:52:11.280
<v Speaker 6>of that in the story.

0:52:11.480 --> 0:52:12.279
<v Speaker 2>I think the.

0:52:14.200 --> 0:52:17.840
<v Speaker 6>You know them getting it with a hoe. That's probably

0:52:17.880 --> 0:52:18.360
<v Speaker 6>where my.

0:52:19.360 --> 0:52:21.920
<v Speaker 2>Since apparently if you want to protect yourselves from snakes.

0:52:23.400 --> 0:52:25.400
<v Speaker 3>I remember the first time I ever saw a snake,

0:52:25.560 --> 0:52:27.480
<v Speaker 3>and it was my mom killing one with a hoe

0:52:27.680 --> 0:52:31.160
<v Speaker 3>and I was a little bitty girl and she was hysterical,

0:52:31.480 --> 0:52:33.320
<v Speaker 3>and I'm pretty sure it was like a garden steak.

0:52:33.520 --> 0:52:35.719
<v Speaker 3>And that was the first time I ever saw one.

0:52:35.840 --> 0:52:41.600
<v Speaker 3>And I imprinted, obviously as evidence today pretty hard. This

0:52:41.800 --> 0:52:44.640
<v Speaker 3>is my mom is a pretty normal person. But they

0:52:44.760 --> 0:52:45.520
<v Speaker 3>killed one with the hope.

0:52:46.040 --> 0:52:46.960
<v Speaker 1>So what stood out to you?

0:52:48.400 --> 0:52:51.880
<v Speaker 6>I thought my fav it was a fun podcast.

0:52:51.920 --> 0:52:54.080
<v Speaker 3>I think the part where they were playing flutes in

0:52:54.200 --> 0:52:58.160
<v Speaker 3>the streets, I think that was probably my favorite part.

0:52:58.480 --> 0:53:00.680
<v Speaker 6>You know, we grew up in an area you always saw.

0:53:01.040 --> 0:53:02.440
<v Speaker 6>You're right, the eighties were.

0:53:02.760 --> 0:53:09.000
<v Speaker 2>The two scariest things in the eighties were cobras and

0:53:09.120 --> 0:53:10.440
<v Speaker 2>quicksand yeah.

0:53:10.840 --> 0:53:14.919
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and yeah, and so I when they I would

0:53:14.920 --> 0:53:17.440
<v Speaker 3>have known, that's not the kind of flute you play like.

0:53:17.520 --> 0:53:19.440
<v Speaker 3>I would have known the flutes don't sound like that,

0:53:19.640 --> 0:53:21.840
<v Speaker 3>that you've got to play them, because the picture I

0:53:21.920 --> 0:53:23.160
<v Speaker 3>have in my head is like you get the high

0:53:23.200 --> 0:53:25.920
<v Speaker 3>school band out there with flutes and they're on the

0:53:26.239 --> 0:53:28.319
<v Speaker 3>on and they're blaring it with these loudspeakers. That's kind

0:53:28.320 --> 0:53:30.600
<v Speaker 3>of how I envisioned it, but that that image was

0:53:30.600 --> 0:53:34.319
<v Speaker 3>pretty funny to me. Men with pitchforks and players brow.

0:53:34.400 --> 0:53:37.840
<v Speaker 1>Do you know much about Indian snake charmers, son was I.

0:53:38.239 --> 0:53:40.640
<v Speaker 1>I did a you know, a little bit of research

0:53:40.840 --> 0:53:44.600
<v Speaker 1>just trying to understand like what this means in their culture.

0:53:45.040 --> 0:53:48.840
<v Speaker 1>And these guys are from my research, these guys that

0:53:49.000 --> 0:53:51.080
<v Speaker 1>are snake charmers. So they're the guys that are putting

0:53:51.120 --> 0:53:54.839
<v Speaker 1>these little little baskets of snakes, lifting the lid off,

0:53:54.920 --> 0:53:58.360
<v Speaker 1>a big cobra jumps out there within striking distance and

0:53:58.440 --> 0:54:01.439
<v Speaker 1>they're playing this flute moving while the snake is doing

0:54:01.520 --> 0:54:05.239
<v Speaker 1>like this. If you watch them lots of videos, they

0:54:05.280 --> 0:54:08.319
<v Speaker 1>get struck out all the time and they just kind

0:54:08.360 --> 0:54:10.120
<v Speaker 1>of move out of the way or they slap.

0:54:09.880 --> 0:54:13.680
<v Speaker 2>The snake and they to see them slap the.

0:54:15.320 --> 0:54:18.960
<v Speaker 1>But also read that a lot of that is, uh,

0:54:19.160 --> 0:54:23.680
<v Speaker 1>the snakes are not healthy snakes, like they're not feeding

0:54:23.719 --> 0:54:27.680
<v Speaker 1>them and they're kind of weak. It maybe what's your

0:54:27.920 --> 0:54:29.839
<v Speaker 1>what you're well, let me say what I was gonna say.

0:54:30.160 --> 0:54:33.879
<v Speaker 1>They're Culturally they're known as healers and magicians, so they're

0:54:33.960 --> 0:54:36.120
<v Speaker 1>kind of like these special people like, oh, you're a

0:54:36.200 --> 0:54:38.880
<v Speaker 1>snake charmer, well can you can you help me? You

0:54:39.080 --> 0:54:42.680
<v Speaker 1>clearly have this power. What do you know about snake charmers?

0:54:42.880 --> 0:54:45.759
<v Speaker 4>Basically that, yeah, it's just all tied to kind of

0:54:46.239 --> 0:54:48.960
<v Speaker 4>ancient medicine and healing and that kind of thing. And

0:54:49.120 --> 0:54:51.640
<v Speaker 4>you know, they the snake is qing in on the

0:54:51.680 --> 0:54:53.920
<v Speaker 4>movement of the flute and the you know.

0:54:54.080 --> 0:54:55.839
<v Speaker 1>I don't understand why they don't get a bit though.

0:54:55.840 --> 0:54:57.640
<v Speaker 1>I still don't understandin.

0:54:57.080 --> 0:55:01.000
<v Speaker 4>That cobra basically construct straight down, so he's not like

0:55:01.120 --> 0:55:03.279
<v Speaker 4>a like you wouldn't do that with a rattlesnake, right,

0:55:03.680 --> 0:55:06.640
<v Speaker 4>would get it would bite you. But cobras are pretty

0:55:06.680 --> 0:55:09.319
<v Speaker 4>predictable in the way they react, and that's why they

0:55:09.400 --> 0:55:11.520
<v Speaker 4>slap them on the head and stuff because they know.

0:55:12.520 --> 0:55:15.680
<v Speaker 4>But you know, it's it's dangerous for sure. But can

0:55:15.719 --> 0:55:18.359
<v Speaker 4>you take the things out of a snake? Yeah, there are,

0:55:18.520 --> 0:55:22.280
<v Speaker 4>but they'll grow back. Yes, sometimes there are venomoid animals,

0:55:22.320 --> 0:55:23.239
<v Speaker 4>but they don't really do well.

0:55:23.640 --> 0:55:24.400
<v Speaker 2>I mean some people do.

0:55:24.560 --> 0:55:28.440
<v Speaker 4>That interesting little anecdote you're talking about, You know, when

0:55:28.480 --> 0:55:31.160
<v Speaker 4>did cobras pop up and back then do people know

0:55:31.200 --> 0:55:33.520
<v Speaker 4>about cobras? So back in the thirties, there was a

0:55:33.560 --> 0:55:37.040
<v Speaker 4>guy named Ross Allen from Florida, another famous snake guy,

0:55:37.440 --> 0:55:39.880
<v Speaker 4>and he did a lot of the stunt work in Tarzan,

0:55:40.400 --> 0:55:44.200
<v Speaker 4>the old Tarzan cereal, and they would literally take like

0:55:44.360 --> 0:55:47.200
<v Speaker 4>Eastern diamondbacks or cotton mouths and like milk them, yeah,

0:55:47.360 --> 0:55:50.160
<v Speaker 4>and cobras and stuff as much as they thought they could,

0:55:50.280 --> 0:55:53.279
<v Speaker 4>and then it would literally bite him on screen. Oh

0:55:53.440 --> 0:55:56.479
<v Speaker 4>my god, like they just drained the venom and say

0:55:57.200 --> 0:55:59.719
<v Speaker 4>you'll be fine, We've got to shoot this right now. Yeah,

0:56:00.040 --> 0:56:02.799
<v Speaker 4>because the snake's on endy so wow. Yeah, they would

0:56:02.920 --> 0:56:05.160
<v Speaker 4>already do that. So and I thought about that, thought, yeah,

0:56:05.480 --> 0:56:08.160
<v Speaker 4>cobra's I mean books and stuff. Probably people were aware

0:56:08.160 --> 0:56:10.480
<v Speaker 4>of cobras, but that would have been a pretty shocking thing.

0:56:11.280 --> 0:56:14.160
<v Speaker 4>You know, you're single in Springfield, Missouri. Yeah.

0:56:14.400 --> 0:56:18.880
<v Speaker 2>Did it work? Yeah? Yeah, he he did a lot

0:56:18.920 --> 0:56:20.920
<v Speaker 2>of movies, a lot of TVs. He made it.

0:56:21.160 --> 0:56:24.200
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, But that was that's taken your job to a

0:56:24.239 --> 0:56:24.839
<v Speaker 4>whole new level.

0:56:25.080 --> 0:56:25.800
<v Speaker 2>Did so?

0:56:26.040 --> 0:56:28.480
<v Speaker 1>I like on the render to comment on some of

0:56:28.600 --> 0:56:32.360
<v Speaker 1>the some of some of the things that that was

0:56:32.400 --> 0:56:36.279
<v Speaker 1>said on the on the deal, I thought bringing the

0:56:36.560 --> 0:56:39.000
<v Speaker 1>cultural image back to something that we could relate to

0:56:39.680 --> 0:56:43.600
<v Speaker 1>that was helpful for me, like to understand Indian snake

0:56:43.680 --> 0:56:48.200
<v Speaker 1>charmers and saying that would be like if what if

0:56:48.280 --> 0:56:50.840
<v Speaker 1>Brent Reeves had a had a big timber rattler and

0:56:50.880 --> 0:56:53.399
<v Speaker 1>a bucket, which would be different What you just did

0:56:53.640 --> 0:56:57.000
<v Speaker 1>was is more impressive. But imagine, imagine.

0:56:56.840 --> 0:56:58.040
<v Speaker 6>He's basically a snake driver.

0:56:58.640 --> 0:57:00.919
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but but but what if?

0:57:01.080 --> 0:57:01.440
<v Speaker 2>What if?

0:57:01.840 --> 0:57:05.000
<v Speaker 1>What if there was like that tradition here where you

0:57:05.120 --> 0:57:07.120
<v Speaker 1>had I mean, there's a you can see how those

0:57:07.200 --> 0:57:10.360
<v Speaker 1>guys it's a powerful cultural image. When we see it,

0:57:10.440 --> 0:57:15.680
<v Speaker 1>it seems exotic, far off, not understandable, not approachable, not touchable.

0:57:15.960 --> 0:57:18.240
<v Speaker 1>But like what if our little kids grew up and

0:57:18.320 --> 0:57:20.600
<v Speaker 1>they were like, one day, I'm gonna be a cobra

0:57:20.680 --> 0:57:23.400
<v Speaker 1>snake charmer. Or like me trying to tell Bear, you

0:57:23.400 --> 0:57:25.760
<v Speaker 1>should you should really look into this, you should be

0:57:25.800 --> 0:57:28.880
<v Speaker 1>a snake d you know what I mean? Like, I

0:57:29.000 --> 0:57:31.520
<v Speaker 1>was just trying to find a way to like make

0:57:31.560 --> 0:57:35.160
<v Speaker 1>it connectable because and obviously we don't have anything like that.

0:57:35.480 --> 0:57:38.000
<v Speaker 4>Well I think we do, Okay, have you ever seen

0:57:38.040 --> 0:57:40.480
<v Speaker 4>the snake handling churches up in that place? Well I

0:57:40.600 --> 0:57:44.400
<v Speaker 4>mentioned that, I mean that's straight up, you know. Yeah,

0:57:44.720 --> 0:57:46.640
<v Speaker 4>I mean that's his faith strong.

0:57:46.960 --> 0:57:48.280
<v Speaker 1>Is that much? Is that still going on?

0:57:48.600 --> 0:57:51.720
<v Speaker 2>Yeah? Not near as much, but they're still. It's funny.

0:57:51.920 --> 0:57:53.680
<v Speaker 2>I liked a Facebook page of a church.

0:57:53.680 --> 0:57:55.720
<v Speaker 4>I can't remember of it, but I followed it and

0:57:55.800 --> 0:57:59.840
<v Speaker 4>they post videos of their service and about every six months,

0:58:00.000 --> 0:58:02.160
<v Speaker 4>I'll have a snake little snake handle.

0:58:03.480 --> 0:58:05.040
<v Speaker 2>Gnawing my fingernails off watching it.

0:58:05.160 --> 0:58:08.919
<v Speaker 4>But and this guy's dad and his dad both died

0:58:08.960 --> 0:58:11.720
<v Speaker 4>from snake back really and he said on there, it's

0:58:11.840 --> 0:58:14.480
<v Speaker 4>it's very interesting their faith genuine?

0:58:14.520 --> 0:58:19.160
<v Speaker 1>Do you think they are? Because well, but what I'm

0:58:19.200 --> 0:58:21.720
<v Speaker 1>saying is that sometimes I've seen it and it feels

0:58:21.800 --> 0:58:23.320
<v Speaker 1>and I mean, and I'm a I'm a I'm a

0:58:23.480 --> 0:58:25.920
<v Speaker 1>I'm a church going man. So like I could respect

0:58:26.000 --> 0:58:28.320
<v Speaker 1>somebody doing something that they actually had faith in. And

0:58:28.360 --> 0:58:31.440
<v Speaker 1>I'm not suggesting I'm not into handling snakes, but like

0:58:31.560 --> 0:58:34.040
<v Speaker 1>I could see someone doing it and it like actually

0:58:34.440 --> 0:58:39.600
<v Speaker 1>meaning something to them. Yeah, I mean because because me

0:58:39.680 --> 0:58:43.360
<v Speaker 1>and Brad could and Bear could go probably pick up

0:58:43.360 --> 0:58:47.439
<v Speaker 1>a rattlesnake in a church and it it wouldn't really

0:58:47.560 --> 0:58:50.640
<v Speaker 1>have any Like I don't know how your read was

0:58:50.680 --> 0:58:51.320
<v Speaker 1>these guys.

0:58:52.840 --> 0:58:55.920
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, there was a documentary about this. One preacher's how

0:58:55.920 --> 0:58:58.840
<v Speaker 4>I discovered this whole church, and uh, this guy talked

0:58:58.840 --> 0:59:00.120
<v Speaker 4>to him and he talked about and he said, hey,

0:59:00.160 --> 0:59:01.480
<v Speaker 4>it's not for me. And he said, I don't do

0:59:01.560 --> 0:59:03.560
<v Speaker 4>it unless the Lord caused me to do it. And

0:59:03.640 --> 0:59:06.640
<v Speaker 4>he said, I know the consequences, and you know he's

0:59:06.680 --> 0:59:08.520
<v Speaker 4>doing He's the Lord is telling me to do this

0:59:08.600 --> 0:59:11.480
<v Speaker 4>for a reason, to you know, bring somebody's faith. Guine

0:59:11.680 --> 0:59:13.920
<v Speaker 4>very genuine to the point, and I'm like, man, I

0:59:13.960 --> 0:59:15.520
<v Speaker 4>wish my faith was that strong.

0:59:16.040 --> 0:59:19.560
<v Speaker 2>Because I saw you pick up well yeah, but you know,

0:59:20.040 --> 0:59:23.280
<v Speaker 2>watching pick Up the Snake, it was just very like

0:59:23.640 --> 0:59:25.800
<v Speaker 2>there was like a grace to like you just it was.

0:59:26.000 --> 0:59:30.040
<v Speaker 1>It's just not that big. Yeah, yeah, interesting Bart. What

0:59:30.120 --> 0:59:31.720
<v Speaker 1>stood out to you about the podcast? What was your

0:59:31.760 --> 0:59:35.560
<v Speaker 1>favorite part? Well, well, first I've got a question. Did

0:59:35.680 --> 0:59:41.200
<v Speaker 1>you get why he had twelve of them? Like why

0:59:41.240 --> 0:59:43.240
<v Speaker 1>didn't he just have like two or three, Like it

0:59:43.320 --> 0:59:44.840
<v Speaker 1>doesn't make any sense to have a hole?

0:59:45.000 --> 0:59:46.680
<v Speaker 2>Maybe they were only sold by the dozens.

0:59:46.800 --> 0:59:50.200
<v Speaker 4>Well probably you can't break a discount, you by, but

0:59:50.440 --> 0:59:53.840
<v Speaker 4>you know, back then there wasn't much in in husbandry.

0:59:54.160 --> 0:59:55.640
<v Speaker 4>They didn't have to take care of them, so they

0:59:55.680 --> 0:59:57.720
<v Speaker 4>were likely going to get twelve and one or two

0:59:57.800 --> 0:59:59.320
<v Speaker 4>is going to live the rest in bringing back because

0:59:59.320 --> 1:00:02.000
<v Speaker 4>they didn't feed because they were kept in abysmal conditions.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, mister Fred may have some insight into this because

1:00:05.920 --> 1:00:09.880
<v Speaker 1>when he mentioned that he ordered twenty five king cobras

1:00:09.880 --> 1:00:14.680
<v Speaker 1>from Bangladesh and he didn't want twenty five. He wanted

1:00:14.720 --> 1:00:19.000
<v Speaker 1>twelve for his snake, so he knew he wouldn't get twelve,

1:00:19.760 --> 1:00:23.680
<v Speaker 1>and he actually only got three. He ordered twenty five

1:00:23.760 --> 1:00:25.960
<v Speaker 1>and got three, and they shipped him to New Orleans

1:00:26.280 --> 1:00:28.360
<v Speaker 1>and he went down to New Orleans. He tells a

1:00:28.400 --> 1:00:30.480
<v Speaker 1>great story. He went to New Orleans, picked up like

1:00:31.840 --> 1:00:36.600
<v Speaker 1>huge king kobras, like fifteen footers, and they were the

1:00:36.720 --> 1:00:40.840
<v Speaker 1>customs the customs people. This is so long ago, I mean,

1:00:40.880 --> 1:00:44.200
<v Speaker 1>you know, probably like the seventies or something. Maybe it

1:00:44.280 --> 1:00:47.840
<v Speaker 1>was maybe it was later than that. The customs people said,

1:00:48.120 --> 1:00:50.080
<v Speaker 1>we got to see these snakes. And he was like,

1:00:51.000 --> 1:00:52.360
<v Speaker 1>really you want to see them?

1:00:52.520 --> 1:00:52.960
<v Speaker 2>And they were.

1:00:53.080 --> 1:00:55.760
<v Speaker 1>They demanded to see him and he and they're like

1:00:55.880 --> 1:00:57.560
<v Speaker 1>in like an office and he's like, you want me

1:00:57.600 --> 1:01:01.360
<v Speaker 1>to turn the snake loose? Here They thought he suspected

1:01:01.480 --> 1:01:03.880
<v Speaker 1>that they thought there was there was drugs in there

1:01:05.400 --> 1:01:07.280
<v Speaker 1>and that they were smuggling drug It was a cover

1:01:07.440 --> 1:01:09.320
<v Speaker 1>of smuggle drugs. And so they were like, we want

1:01:09.360 --> 1:01:11.880
<v Speaker 1>to see the snake, and he just was like are

1:01:11.960 --> 1:01:12.360
<v Speaker 1>you sure?

1:01:12.880 --> 1:01:13.479
<v Speaker 2>Are you sure?

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<v Speaker 1>You want me to put this snake right here? And

1:01:16.400 --> 1:01:19.040
<v Speaker 1>they're just like yep. And so he does. He pulls

1:01:19.080 --> 1:01:21.280
<v Speaker 1>out a fifteen foot king kobra and just plops it

1:01:21.360 --> 1:01:26.120
<v Speaker 1>in the ground. Oh my, and he it was and anyway,

1:01:26.440 --> 1:01:29.840
<v Speaker 1>the room just like scatters and he gathers the snake

1:01:29.920 --> 1:01:31.800
<v Speaker 1>back up and gets it in, gets it back and

1:01:32.480 --> 1:01:34.160
<v Speaker 1>he was like, okay, sir, you're good to go.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow.

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<v Speaker 4>So I've got a friend that's I think he's eighty

1:01:45.320 --> 1:01:47.720
<v Speaker 4>two now and he grew up in that era and

1:01:48.520 --> 1:01:50.480
<v Speaker 4>he lived up into Ohio and he worked at a

1:01:50.600 --> 1:01:53.520
<v Speaker 4>zoo and I think what he said he did. He

1:01:53.840 --> 1:01:56.480
<v Speaker 4>went in and started looking at their bills of ladings

1:01:56.520 --> 1:01:58.920
<v Speaker 4>and shipments and stuff they've gotten, and got the names

1:01:59.000 --> 1:02:02.040
<v Speaker 4>of people in Africa and India and he started writing

1:02:02.080 --> 1:02:04.600
<v Speaker 4>them as like a twelve year old kid and was like,

1:02:04.880 --> 1:02:07.520
<v Speaker 4>I will provide you with you know, X amount of

1:02:07.560 --> 1:02:09.600
<v Speaker 4>black rat snakes and garter snakes in this net and

1:02:09.640 --> 1:02:11.640
<v Speaker 4>you please send me. And he said he would get

1:02:11.680 --> 1:02:15.080
<v Speaker 4>in these boxes marked venomous snakes and he would open

1:02:15.120 --> 1:02:17.160
<v Speaker 4>it up and there'd be like fifteen different snakes and

1:02:17.240 --> 1:02:19.560
<v Speaker 4>bags and he didn't know what they were. And I

1:02:19.600 --> 1:02:21.520
<v Speaker 4>mean as a child, and he would go get books

1:02:21.560 --> 1:02:24.280
<v Speaker 4>and figure out, Okay, this is bothers Asper and this

1:02:24.440 --> 1:02:27.920
<v Speaker 4>is you know not Na And yeah, I'm like, are

1:02:28.000 --> 1:02:30.160
<v Speaker 4>you kidding? But yeah, apparently back then it was pretty

1:02:30.240 --> 1:02:35.400
<v Speaker 4>much but he said he, yeah, he had some crazy

1:02:35.440 --> 1:02:37.600
<v Speaker 4>stuff back in probably in the late fifties when he

1:02:37.640 --> 1:02:38.160
<v Speaker 4>was a kid.

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<v Speaker 1>So anything could go.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>I made the statement that some people believe the king

1:02:44.480 --> 1:02:47.479
<v Speaker 1>Kobra to be the most venomous snake in the world.

1:02:48.040 --> 1:02:52.520
<v Speaker 1>My doctor Chris Jenkins of the Snake Talk podcast. He actually,

1:02:54.040 --> 1:02:56.800
<v Speaker 1>I had to put it that simply like some people

1:02:56.920 --> 1:03:01.160
<v Speaker 1>think it. Uh, he didn't. He said the Kingcobra actually

1:03:02.120 --> 1:03:06.400
<v Speaker 1>might not even make its top three most deadly how accurate.

1:03:06.480 --> 1:03:09.320
<v Speaker 1>Fact checked me on my state. Yeah, you don't. So

1:03:09.440 --> 1:03:12.200
<v Speaker 1>when you heard me say that, you were like, Brito's done.

1:03:12.920 --> 1:03:14.840
<v Speaker 1>You were like, they miss that.

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<v Speaker 4>No, I mean, but King Kobra's they are they're large.

1:03:20.080 --> 1:03:21.920
<v Speaker 4>You're talking about a big snake that can deliver a

1:03:21.960 --> 1:03:24.280
<v Speaker 4>lot of venom. That's what makes it so dangerous. But

1:03:24.440 --> 1:03:26.400
<v Speaker 4>as far as like on a program basis, it's not

1:03:26.920 --> 1:03:32.480
<v Speaker 4>not what is a lot of the taype hands in Australia. Australia,

1:03:32.560 --> 1:03:34.800
<v Speaker 4>like eighty percent of their snakes are deadly, Like, they

1:03:34.840 --> 1:03:36.120
<v Speaker 4>don't have many harmless snakes there.

1:03:36.160 --> 1:03:36.920
<v Speaker 1>They don't mess around.

1:03:37.040 --> 1:03:39.360
<v Speaker 4>And yeah, and a lot of those venoms are a

1:03:39.400 --> 1:03:41.880
<v Speaker 4>lot more toxic. And like the inland taype hand I

1:03:41.960 --> 1:03:45.080
<v Speaker 4>think has the highest LD fifty. They call it an

1:03:45.200 --> 1:03:48.760
<v Speaker 4>LD fifty score. And uh, but that one and then

1:03:49.000 --> 1:03:51.680
<v Speaker 4>like say, the one that kills probably more people worldwide

1:03:52.160 --> 1:03:55.440
<v Speaker 4>is called a saw skilled viper and it lives in

1:03:55.520 --> 1:03:59.120
<v Speaker 4>the Middle East basically. And in fact, I can't remember

1:03:59.120 --> 1:04:03.080
<v Speaker 4>the Bible verse about the sizzling snakes in I don't

1:04:03.080 --> 1:04:05.040
<v Speaker 4>know it's in the Old Testament, but I think that's

1:04:05.080 --> 1:04:07.680
<v Speaker 4>what they're referring to, because these snakes, when they get agitated,

1:04:07.720 --> 1:04:10.560
<v Speaker 4>they'll roll their scales against theirselves and it makes like

1:04:10.640 --> 1:04:13.680
<v Speaker 4>a sort of like a rattling or sizzling sound. But

1:04:14.280 --> 1:04:16.360
<v Speaker 4>and the reason is they have very toxic venom. They're

1:04:16.440 --> 1:04:19.080
<v Speaker 4>very common in where they occur as people are barefoot

1:04:19.120 --> 1:04:21.360
<v Speaker 4>and there's not much medical care, so there's a lot

1:04:21.400 --> 1:04:24.480
<v Speaker 4>of factors. But yeah, king cobras, that's just like, you know.

1:04:24.960 --> 1:04:25.200
<v Speaker 2>Not that.

1:04:27.640 --> 1:04:29.760
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, now it was the king cobra more venomous than

1:04:29.800 --> 1:04:30.640
<v Speaker 1>these rattle snakes.

1:04:31.720 --> 1:04:36.120
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, probably, okay, just because the Neuve toxic components there.

1:04:36.240 --> 1:04:39.600
<v Speaker 1>So when I have my king cobra, yeah, and my rattlers,

1:04:40.120 --> 1:04:41.360
<v Speaker 1>watch out for the king cobra.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I would yeah say that you didn't.

1:04:44.160 --> 1:04:46.360
<v Speaker 1>I didn't let you finish what what what stood out

1:04:46.360 --> 1:04:48.080
<v Speaker 1>to you most well? I thought that it was interesting

1:04:48.200 --> 1:04:52.920
<v Speaker 1>that like people would have had no context for what

1:04:53.080 --> 1:04:56.480
<v Speaker 1>a cobra was like that that would have never occurred

1:04:56.520 --> 1:04:58.240
<v Speaker 1>to me. You didn't grow up in the eighties, so

1:04:58.320 --> 1:05:00.280
<v Speaker 1>I don't think you really have a contact for what

1:05:00.360 --> 1:05:03.479
<v Speaker 1>a cobra is. Well, I mean I've seen strike first

1:05:03.520 --> 1:05:05.160
<v Speaker 1>strike Guard no mercy, sir.

1:05:06.360 --> 1:05:08.880
<v Speaker 6>He's been raised, right, you know, he saw the right movies.

1:05:10.120 --> 1:05:12.520
<v Speaker 1>It just seems like you just see cobras like that's

1:05:12.640 --> 1:05:14.600
<v Speaker 1>just like a school man. I just know it, like

1:05:14.720 --> 1:05:18.360
<v Speaker 1>it's not something you'd even think about. And yeah, so

1:05:18.680 --> 1:05:22.000
<v Speaker 1>whenever like they were, you know, pulling out the flutes

1:05:22.040 --> 1:05:24.800
<v Speaker 1>and stuff, and I guess you kind of explained how

1:05:24.840 --> 1:05:27.560
<v Speaker 1>they weren't necessarily totally serious about that. But it just

1:05:27.640 --> 1:05:29.560
<v Speaker 1>never would have occurred to me that they wouldn't have

1:05:29.680 --> 1:05:33.160
<v Speaker 1>had any idea that just because they don't have like

1:05:33.280 --> 1:05:36.000
<v Speaker 1>the exposure to it, they would have been looking and

1:05:36.200 --> 1:05:41.080
<v Speaker 1>like encyclopedias to learn about cobra. Absolutely, I mean yeah, yeah,

1:05:41.160 --> 1:05:44.640
<v Speaker 1>there's no Google, there's no YouTube. Yeah, and they wouldn't

1:05:44.640 --> 1:05:49.280
<v Speaker 1>have seen it on movies and stuff growing up. Yeah, Yeah,

1:05:50.760 --> 1:05:51.840
<v Speaker 1>josh Wa stood out to you.

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<v Speaker 2>The whole thing was pretty interesting. But uh, I think

1:06:01.200 --> 1:06:07.600
<v Speaker 2>it's interesting how the that isolated situation, I mean it went,

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<v Speaker 2>it lasted over the period of like six weeks, yep.

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<v Speaker 2>How much it imprinted on the identity of Springfield.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I mean the.

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<v Speaker 2>Fact that they went and put it on the seal,

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<v Speaker 2>they had the cobra haircut, I mean, all these things,

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<v Speaker 2>like it was sensational at the time, and I mean

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<v Speaker 2>rightly so. But just the fact that to this day,

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<v Speaker 2>what are we sixty years later, there's still a cobra

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<v Speaker 2>on the seal seventy one seventy one years, Yeah, there's

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<v Speaker 2>still a cobra on the seal. I love it. I

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<v Speaker 2>mean I love that A simple thing like that can

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<v Speaker 2>change the destiny of a place.

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<v Speaker 1>I thought Kyle Jeffers did a great job of explaining

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<v Speaker 1>why little quirky regional things bring a lot of identity.

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<v Speaker 1>And the guy from the brewery, he was like, he

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<v Speaker 1>was like, yeah, every little town's got something weird that

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<v Speaker 1>happened yep, and this was our little weird thing, you know.

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<v Speaker 1>So I thought he did a good job of telling

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<v Speaker 1>that kind of stuff. I'll tell you, I'll tell you

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<v Speaker 1>this is this is behind the veil. I don't fully

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<v Speaker 1>buy Carl Barnett's confession.

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<v Speaker 2>Really, yeah, that was my favorite part.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, So so there's a there's a more extended version

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<v Speaker 1>of the confession and they actually ask him if he

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<v Speaker 1>had any regrets and if he wished he hadn't done it,

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<v Speaker 1>and he kind of gets defensive and he they were like,

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<v Speaker 1>would you would you do it different if you could

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<v Speaker 1>do it again, and he was like, well.

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<v Speaker 2>No, no, that's sucker cheated.

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<v Speaker 1>And there's just something. So it's a it's a YouTube video.

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<v Speaker 1>You can look it up, the Cobra Scare. Maybe we'll

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<v Speaker 1>put it in the in the in the in the link,

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<v Speaker 1>in the in the in the description, but you can

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<v Speaker 1>watch him tell the story, and I just think, I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know when I when I was watching him, I

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<v Speaker 1>just was kind of like, did you really do that? Carl?

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, I don't want to cast skepticism on we

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<v Speaker 1>need idyll As. I understand it. Carl is no longer

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<v Speaker 1>with us, So it was pretty back in ninety two

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<v Speaker 1>he was.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, he was, yeah, what's the counterfactual play?

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<v Speaker 3>Like if you if you say something like that, there

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<v Speaker 3>has to be another theory for what happened.

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<v Speaker 1>I just think, no, I'm not saying, I'm just saying

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<v Speaker 1>I'm slightly skeptical that that he actually did it just

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<v Speaker 1>from reading just reading his eyes, I'm just like that

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<v Speaker 1>God lied to you.

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<v Speaker 6>Whoa he has grandkids.

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<v Speaker 1>I have no.

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<v Speaker 2>Evidence.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh no, no, no, no. All I did was watching

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<v Speaker 1>a YouTube video video. I just I just wondered if

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<v Speaker 1>anybody else got that vibe.

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<v Speaker 2>I did not.

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<v Speaker 4>Okay, he was very sincere.

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<v Speaker 2>I was like this, guys, I watched the extended one too,

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<v Speaker 2>and I think you're you.

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<v Speaker 3>I think the defensiveness is actually makes it sound more factual,

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<v Speaker 3>more more truthful.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, the fact that he lived with it for thirty

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<v Speaker 4>years before telling someone.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean we'll see.

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<v Speaker 1>That's part. That's part of it though, if you like,

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<v Speaker 1>no one could dispute him. Yeah, do you understand. I

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<v Speaker 1>mean it's like there's nobody that's gonna go, well you

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<v Speaker 1>wait for you were at Yeah, yeah, reil Meyer couldn't

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<v Speaker 1>have gone. I don't even know this guy, Like I

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<v Speaker 1>didn't trade fish, Like, it's all so deep in the past.

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<v Speaker 1>That was it too, it there and there were no

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<v Speaker 1>other there were no other stories. But but what would

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<v Speaker 1>his motivation be? That that's another one. If we're in

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<v Speaker 1>the court of law, I'd be like, well, why would

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<v Speaker 1>you lie? He has no reason to lie, which I

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<v Speaker 1>at that other than just maybe just a little uh publicity.

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<v Speaker 6>What else do you think would have could have happened?

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, the snakes just got out of rail my

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<v Speaker 1>ours pet shop, you know, I mean, they just got loose.

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<v Speaker 4>Maybe you sound like a colorful guy, Yeah, yeah, like

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<v Speaker 4>my kind of guy.

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<v Speaker 2>Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, it was it was a fun It was a

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<v Speaker 1>fun podcast.

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<v Speaker 2>I want to hear about bears turkey.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, give us the give us the version, the

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<v Speaker 1>condensed version of your turkey hunt. Okay, well pretty much.

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<v Speaker 1>I I hunted from opening day till Thursday and had

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<v Speaker 1>a couple of really good opportunities on turkeys, and I

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<v Speaker 1>kind of had an idea of what When.

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<v Speaker 2>He says he hunted those days, he literally left and

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<v Speaker 2>didn't come home. Well, he spent the night. I spent

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<v Speaker 2>the night out there.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>I had to keep.

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<v Speaker 3>A big senior presentation that he had to do at school.

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<v Speaker 3>And he shows up at our house and is like, Mom,

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<v Speaker 3>do you know where the shirt is?

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<v Speaker 2>Do you know what?

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<v Speaker 6>And it's coming in from the woods and went straightway.

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<v Speaker 1>I came early enough. But anyway, I over the four days,

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<v Speaker 1>I kind of developed an idea of what they were doing.

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<v Speaker 2>It was, well, and you were you were sleeping in

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<v Speaker 2>your truck at your spot, right.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. He would leave the house at like ten o'clock

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<v Speaker 1>at night to go get his spot yep, and sleep

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<v Speaker 1>in his truck. And then you know, he had a

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<v Speaker 1>couple of guys pull in before daylight. He could stumble out,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, and his underwear and be like, I'm darky

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<v Speaker 1>on there. Pretty much. But uh yeah, So I kind

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<v Speaker 1>of had an idea of what they were doing. And

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<v Speaker 1>there was one particular turkey, the first one that I

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<v Speaker 1>heard on opening day, and uh, I could I knew

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<v Speaker 1>where he was roosting. But I couldn't really get in

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<v Speaker 1>close on him every morning, but I heard him the

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<v Speaker 1>first two days like right before like gobble down in

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<v Speaker 1>the exact same spot, and uh, I'd go down there

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<v Speaker 1>and try and get them, and I'd eventually find them

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<v Speaker 1>up the mountain like four hunder yards probably maybe not

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<v Speaker 1>that far. But in two of the days he met

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<v Speaker 1>up with another gobbler up there, and I'd hear two

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<v Speaker 1>of them. Would you do you have their like calendar?

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<v Speaker 1>Pretty much like he was meeting up with another guy.

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<v Speaker 1>It it just seemed like they were always like right

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<v Speaker 1>there after they got up through.

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<v Speaker 2>Anyway, I.

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<v Speaker 1>On Thursday, I go down to where I can hear

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<v Speaker 1>into this haller where I've been hearing some turkeys, and

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<v Speaker 1>then kind of hear another area or to my right,

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<v Speaker 1>but I, uh, I heard another guy. Well, I saw

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<v Speaker 1>a bunch of headlamps like all around the haller. I

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<v Speaker 1>saw three. Two of them were like kind of and

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<v Speaker 1>this is a this is a hollow that's like half

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<v Speaker 1>a mile across, but the leaves aren't still out, so

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<v Speaker 1>you could see a headlamp like bobbing through the woods.

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<v Speaker 1>Am I right? Yeah? And uh it seem like people

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<v Speaker 1>were just like accumulating every day because they would hear

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<v Speaker 1>turkeys and then come back the next day. And anyway,

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<v Speaker 1>I get in there and there's a guy over across

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<v Speaker 1>the haller who's alt hooting a whole bunch and crow

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<v Speaker 1>calling and this care going on, yeah, just over and over,

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<v Speaker 1>and I was about to actually leave because I kind

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<v Speaker 1>of thought he was just gonna blow out all the

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<v Speaker 1>turkeys because he was like right in the middle of

1:13:25.240 --> 1:13:28.439
<v Speaker 1>where a lot of the turkeys were, and I was

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<v Speaker 1>considering leaving, and then I heard one, the one right

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<v Speaker 1>down on his roost where he usually is, and it

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<v Speaker 1>was like the gun going off at a track meet.

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<v Speaker 1>It was like you could just feel like everybody'd come

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<v Speaker 1>off the top of the haller and just like started

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<v Speaker 1>going towards him. But I kind of knew he was

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<v Speaker 1>going to go up the mountain to where he was,

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<v Speaker 1>and I knew I wasn't going to kill him on

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<v Speaker 1>the roost or like you know, catch him flying down,

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<v Speaker 1>and so I just kind of ran up to where

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<v Speaker 1>I figured he'd be. And it took me a really

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<v Speaker 1>long time because there's big blow and stuff, and it's

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<v Speaker 1>a big hauler, and I get a.

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<v Speaker 2>Scene out of Last of the Mohicans. Yeah, just running

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<v Speaker 2>through the woods.

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<v Speaker 1>I was. I was literally running at a few different point,

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<v Speaker 1>hair flying, and I get up about where I think

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<v Speaker 1>he's gonna be, and uh, I hear him. As I

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<v Speaker 1>get close to that point, I can hear him gobbling

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<v Speaker 1>up the mountain from me, and uh, as I get closer,

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<v Speaker 1>I can hear two gobblers up there, gobbling at each other,

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<v Speaker 1>like like one would gobble and the other one would

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<v Speaker 1>start up right after. And I just started to get closer,

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<v Speaker 1>you know. I figured I'd just get as close as

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<v Speaker 1>I can and then call. But I just got closer

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<v Speaker 1>and closer and closer. And I got to where I

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<v Speaker 1>was like eighty yards from him, and they were up

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<v Speaker 1>the mountain from me, and uh, they were up on

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<v Speaker 1>this bluff above me, and I saw a break in

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<v Speaker 1>the bluff where I could kind of get up it,

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<v Speaker 1>and I was like, and up at the very top

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<v Speaker 1>of it was a big rock and so like a

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<v Speaker 1>rock as big as your truck.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And so I figured I could get up there. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>why didn't you want to call at them when you

1:15:06.800 --> 1:15:08.960
<v Speaker 1>were that close? Well, I thought about it, but I

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<v Speaker 1>was downhill from them, and I wanted to be above them,

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<v Speaker 1>and I didn't know if I just didn't know if

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<v Speaker 1>they'd come off, because at that point they were like

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<v Speaker 1>even with me. Between me and them was a bluff.

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<v Speaker 1>They weren't even with the part where you could get

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<v Speaker 1>up and h okay. And so I figured i'd kind

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<v Speaker 1>of get up that part and get even with them,

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<v Speaker 1>and i'd pop out, you know, right next to that rock,

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<v Speaker 1>like forty yards from is what I thought. But as

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<v Speaker 1>I started walking up that I could hear them, just

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<v Speaker 1>like right next to that rock, right on the other

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<v Speaker 1>side where I couldn't see them, but I could hear

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<v Speaker 1>their wings flapping and they were gobbling, and I guess

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<v Speaker 1>they were fighting each other or something. And at this

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<v Speaker 1>point I was so close to him, I was like, well,

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<v Speaker 1>I might as well just risk it for the biscuit. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>And I'd almost bush racked another one on the second day,

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<v Speaker 1>just like I was walking and just saw him before

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<v Speaker 1>he saw me. He just got lucky, and so I

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<v Speaker 1>was kind of thinking I could probably do that with

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<v Speaker 1>these ones. And I'd called at him so much and

1:16:07.479 --> 1:16:09.080
<v Speaker 1>other people called at him. I didn't know if the

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<v Speaker 1>call would yeah, would work at this point, and so

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<v Speaker 1>I get up to that rock and uh, in how

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<v Speaker 1>you're like twenty yards from them? I think I think

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<v Speaker 1>I was like ten yards from at this point, so

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<v Speaker 1>you're just like sneak right up. They were like directly

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<v Speaker 1>on the other side of the rock, and the rock

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<v Speaker 1>kind of was like a it was like a triangle

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<v Speaker 1>pretty much, and on the north end of the triangle

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<v Speaker 1>is where I went. And I was like the point

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<v Speaker 1>of the triangle and I kind of stuck my hands

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<v Speaker 1>on it, and I looked around the other side and

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<v Speaker 1>directly on the other side of the triangle, probably five

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<v Speaker 1>yards off the rock, there was a flock of them

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<v Speaker 1>and I could see like four or five turkeys. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>were you not afraid you were gonna spook them by

1:16:50.360 --> 1:16:53.320
<v Speaker 1>peeking your head around? Well, I did it like as

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<v Speaker 1>slow as you could, and I had a mask on,

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<v Speaker 1>and I didn't really realize they were that close. Yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and they were that rock. It was kind of weird.

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<v Speaker 1>It was like the there was a lower side of it,

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<v Speaker 1>and then you go to the other side and it

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<v Speaker 1>was like four or five foot the ground was four

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<v Speaker 1>or five foot higher, like there was like dirt stuck

1:17:12.040 --> 1:17:15.000
<v Speaker 1>up against it. So I was below him, still on

1:17:15.160 --> 1:17:17.400
<v Speaker 1>that rock, and I could just see I could just

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<v Speaker 1>see him right up there on that little plateau there,

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<v Speaker 1>and uh so I just kind of like creep back

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<v Speaker 1>behind the rock, and I can tell they're moving over

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<v Speaker 1>towards me, and so I just stick my gun up

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<v Speaker 1>and I hear him clucking, and the first turkey that

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<v Speaker 1>pops out, I could tell he was a long beard.

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<v Speaker 1>And I looked at him for a really long time,

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<v Speaker 1>even though I could have shot him, just because I

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<v Speaker 1>did not want to, yeah, shoot a jake or shoot

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<v Speaker 1>a hen or something. And he started going back and

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<v Speaker 1>forth at like five yards, and finally I got a

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<v Speaker 1>really good look at him, and I could tell he

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<v Speaker 1>was one hundred percent a long beard. And about that time,

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<v Speaker 1>he sees me right there in front of him, and

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<v Speaker 1>he turns and just is about to just starts to run.

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<v Speaker 1>But it was too late. He was already just like

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, I had my I mean I was already

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<v Speaker 1>hunkered down on him. All I had to do is

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<v Speaker 1>pull the trigger, and uh yep, got him, got him.

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<v Speaker 1>I think that's pretty good woodsmanship. Yeah, yeah, and turkey

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<v Speaker 1>know how to know not to call, not to mess around.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, I won't even go over there. I don't

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<v Speaker 1>even want to go over there. Yeah, it's just too

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<v Speaker 1>many people, you know.

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<v Speaker 2>But uh, yeah it was. It was a nice, nice

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<v Speaker 2>gobbler and cook it tonight.

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<v Speaker 1>I bet there's snakes Deluxe right in that area. Oh yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I actually found one, like probably well, yeah, you found

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<v Speaker 1>the road right where I killed it, probably like three

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<v Speaker 1>hundred yards from it. Yeah. A live copper head. Yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>a live one. I've only been uh, I've only been

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<v Speaker 1>struck at and actually bit unintentionally one time, like thinking

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<v Speaker 1>about being in a place with a lot of snakes,

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<v Speaker 1>going back to Snake's Great Turkey story. One time while

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<v Speaker 1>deer hunting and it was cool in October, I had

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<v Speaker 1>a copperhead bite my rubber boot. I didn't even know

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<v Speaker 1>it was there. It's a little one, A little bitty

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<v Speaker 1>guy just felt something like tap my boot and I

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<v Speaker 1>looked down. I was like, dad, got that thing bit me? Anyway,

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<v Speaker 1>I was thinking about bear out there and Snake Country. Yep,

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<v Speaker 1>we are all the time. Hey, thank you Brad for coming. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it starts when starts meet Either live tour is on.

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<v Speaker 1>If you're listening to this, you're we're there. But you

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<v Speaker 1>can still buy tickets to shows. Uh oh yeah, Josh

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<v Speaker 1>made Josh Pilmaker Josh Lambridge Spillmaker made ten did did

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<v Speaker 1>this strike you as odd when he walked in there

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<v Speaker 1>in hats?

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<v Speaker 6>This guy loves scoons your.

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<v Speaker 1>Nets, So yeah so Josh Josh Lambridge Spilmmaker made ten

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<v Speaker 1>coonskin hats that are gonna be given away one at

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<v Speaker 1>each live tour event for the winner of the al

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<v Speaker 1>Hooting contest. So good job, Josh, good job. But yeah, Brad,

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<v Speaker 1>thanks for coming man, thanks for bringing the snakes.

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<v Speaker 2>You wind incredible show.

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<v Speaker 1>And yes, yeah yeah, we're gonna just have We're just

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<v Speaker 1>gonna have to have him come back, just to no doubt.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like, hey, I'll bring every time we can guess yes, yes, wow, great,

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<v Speaker 1>Thanks guys,