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Speaker 1: My name is Clay Nukeleman. This is a production of

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Speaker 1: the Bear Grease podcast called The Bear Grease Render, where

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Speaker 1: we render down, dive deeper, and look behind the scenes

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Speaker 1: of the actual bear Grease podcast, presented by f h

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Speaker 1: F Gear, American made purpose built hunting and fishing gear

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Speaker 1: that's designed to be as rugged as the place as

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Speaker 2: This is quite an environment we have in here for

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Speaker 2: the render right now. It is everybody's heart as racing.

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Speaker 1: A lot, not me and Brad and bears bear.

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Speaker 2: Nope, you feel no increased anxiety in your nervous system

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Speaker 2: right now.

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Speaker 1: Hey, if that if what is in that bucket was

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Speaker 1: crawling across my left, you just chill. I mean, it's

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Speaker 1: probably not.

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Speaker 2: Like an equine animal its census fear.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, is that right? Brad?

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Speaker 3: Is that why that one's being weird right now? I

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Speaker 3: don't know, because I'll just be honest. I am not

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Speaker 3: cool as a cucumber, Josh.

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Speaker 1: Really, your heart's beating fast knowing that.

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Speaker 2: A little it's not like it's I think it's anticipation, Okay.

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Speaker 2: I think once we talk about it and see it,

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Speaker 2: I'll calm down a little bit. But I have to

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Speaker 2: be honest at my heart rate is well a little.

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Speaker 1: Why Josh's heart is palpating is because within about two

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Speaker 2: A bucket two feet on either side.

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Speaker 1: Is that a tell us what that is? Brad?

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Speaker 4: This is a timber rettlesnake, and that is a Western

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Speaker 1: There in five gallon They look like snake. Well, the

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Speaker 1: is made for an animal. Looks like it's got holes

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Speaker 1: in it. We got a bunch of snakes in here.

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Speaker 1: We've got a diamondback, a timber rattler, and a Teastern

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Speaker 1: indigo snak. Which one do you want to show us first?

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Speaker 2: Well, I don't know. We want to show him right now?

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Speaker 2: Should we introduce?

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Speaker 1: Okay man, I'm just so excited. We've got no mystery guest. Guys.

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Speaker 1: Mystery guests is over. This is Brad Birchfield. Brad is uh.

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Speaker 3: He's really sorry, Brad, that was the lame introd.

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Speaker 1: Doesn't need an he doesn't need a fancy mystery intro.

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Speaker 1: I have Josh land bridge Fieldmaker, Bear John nukeomb here

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Speaker 1: Bush Whack to Turkey this week mistery Newcomb, who is

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Speaker 1: very scared over here, and then her guests of Brad

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Speaker 1: Birchfield for those for those who are anticipating this render,

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Speaker 1: we're going to talk about the cobra scare, but we're

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Speaker 1: going to have our own cobra scare today. We have

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Speaker 1: lots of snakes in here.

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Speaker 2: Brad.

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Speaker 1: How long you been into snakes man?

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Speaker 4: Since I was a small child, like I would say,

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Speaker 2: We have a dinosaur I did.

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Speaker 4: My dad built me a dinosaur in my backyard, twelve

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Speaker 4: So my father built those due to my obsession with reptiles.

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Speaker 4: But you know, wow, that was back in the seventies

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Speaker 1: But Brad, you are I don't know you real well,

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Speaker 1: but you're the most normal snake guy.

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Speaker 4: Tend to run into some extreme personalities.

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Speaker 2: Snake yes people and big cat people.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, they're kind of in the same category, you think, so, Brad, Oh,

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Speaker 4: But a funny side note, I was watching The Tiger

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Speaker 1: How how do you classify your stuf because you're not

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Speaker 4: My degree is in journalism. Uh, but I just have

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Speaker 1: So you have pet snakes, but you also catch snakes?

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Speaker 4: Get business cards, but yeah, we run with a lot

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Speaker 4: Funny story. Okay, everything I tell you will be this

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Speaker 4: There are thirty eight species snakes in Arket's a only

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Speaker 2: It's really strange.

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Speaker 4: But we went to a snake nerd symposium and they

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Speaker 4: reading the silent auction winners, I won a pocket knife,

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Speaker 4: that's the only non native snake. I don't really get

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Speaker 1: So you never owned a cobra?

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Speaker 4: No, No, I have a friend that has had cobra's

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Speaker 1: Well, my first question, so the main reason I wanted

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Speaker 1: I'm I am going to I'm going to own a cobra.

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Speaker 4: So that is an odd thing since the Internet. I mean,

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Speaker 4: seventy five dollars a year and then.

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Speaker 1: Any venomous snake. Yeah, okay, seventy five bucks a year. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: No, that's what I'm saying. It's a bargain.

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Speaker 6: But you're not getting a cobra.

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Speaker 1: Come on, how cool would it be? No, I commemorate

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Speaker 1: the Cobra Scare podcast, and well almost cobra.

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Speaker 2: We'll put the cobra in the Burgers Hall of Fame.

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Speaker 1: Well, we'll put a cobra emblem on the burgaryse logo.

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Speaker 3: Thereah, I just think about how often his mules get out,

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Speaker 6: And now I'm going to have a snake while he's gone.

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Speaker 1: No, So Brad, the uh so you have forty snakes. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: just make clear Brad is not He doesn't sell snakes.

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Speaker 1: He doesn't like catch him and kill him like Brad is.

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Speaker 1: So Bear picked up a road kill copperhead that I

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Speaker 4: Yeah, we'd probably find a like a south or southwest

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Speaker 1: Why are you finding snakes on roads?

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Speaker 2: That's absolutely true, because we did.

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Speaker 1: Now this is a dumb question, but you knew that

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Speaker 2: Have you ever come across a coral snake?

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Speaker 1: Never seen a coral snake? I've seen that that false

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Speaker 1: There's they are supposed to be here.

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Speaker 1: Do you think they really are on? Yeah, well, why

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Speaker 4: It's they have very specific conditions. Coral snakes really weird.

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Speaker 4: They call them fossisorial snakes, which means they stay under leaf,

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Speaker 4: Nope, just that very limited range in southern Arkansas.

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Speaker 1: What do you make of these these what appears to

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Speaker 4: It's a milk snake.

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Speaker 4: A guy wrote a paper on this and I've never

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Speaker 4: Let there's a lot of those things that. Yeah, it's

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Speaker 4: Like I just tell you, yeah, okay, the uh you know,

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Speaker 2: Really. Clay and I were hunting on Wednesday and I

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Speaker 4: Are we sure it was a water moccasin?

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Speaker 2: Of course we were. All snakes are scary and water

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Speaker 1: Yes, I can verify. I got I didn't get a

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Speaker 2: It was. It was.

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Speaker 2: It was. I mean he was that big in the

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Speaker 4: It's probably not a cotton I will come on.

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Speaker 1: I would bet my truck on it. It was, okay,

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Speaker 1: I just he yelled and jumped, and I looked, and

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Speaker 1: It was like that solid uh And I know moccasin

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Speaker 4: Well, you know, cotton mouse has such a I refer

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Speaker 2: I like, walk up on one.

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Speaker 4: A cotton mouth will usually not take off. It will

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Speaker 2: He kind of just.

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Speaker 1: Well it, yeah he did.

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Speaker 4: It doesn't sound like cotton mouth behavior.

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Speaker 2: Okay, I'm gonna believe that it was a cotton mouth.

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Speaker 2: That my life was indane.

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Speaker 1: The way Josh screamed like a woman, Yeah, yeah, that

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Speaker 4: There are very few absolutes in the snake world. And

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Speaker 2: Is there a certain snake that you're like, man, I'd

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Speaker 2: Two and one.

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Speaker 1: Really you've found all but two? Yeah, hey, uh, I

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Speaker 1: of touching that snake that.

439
00:20:59,440 --> 00:21:03,000
Speaker 4: Might be he's making noises. Okay, I'll quit rocking.

440
00:21:03,040 --> 00:21:05,640
Speaker 1: So Brad is in a rocking chair and his uh

441
00:21:06,040 --> 00:21:08,639
Speaker 1: one of his very large snakes that's in a white

442
00:21:09,280 --> 00:21:13,720
Speaker 1: like linen bag. Forward, Bear, touch that snake and move it.

443
00:21:14,080 --> 00:21:15,480
Speaker 1: Bear's not afraid of it.

444
00:21:15,520 --> 00:21:19,720
Speaker 2: Just yanked all the way there. There we go.

445
00:21:19,800 --> 00:21:20,440
Speaker 1: Good job Bear.

446
00:21:20,880 --> 00:21:24,160
Speaker 4: But yeah, what were we talking about the venomous caught?

447
00:21:24,320 --> 00:21:26,480
Speaker 4: Oh yeah yeah yeah. So we're on this quest to

448
00:21:26,560 --> 00:21:28,439
Speaker 4: catch all the venomus snakes on the back and all

449
00:21:28,480 --> 00:21:31,120
Speaker 4: we do it's basically like my hobby is like birding.

450
00:21:31,320 --> 00:21:33,800
Speaker 4: You know, people go out all these play similar to

451
00:21:33,840 --> 00:21:36,919
Speaker 4: take a picture, except the birds can kill you. But

452
00:21:37,160 --> 00:21:40,280
Speaker 4: uh so we sat on this quest and there's one

453
00:21:40,480 --> 00:21:43,840
Speaker 4: little montane rattlesnake that occurs in the kind of the

454
00:21:43,840 --> 00:21:46,960
Speaker 4: Boothill section of New Mexico, and it's a Mexican species,

455
00:21:46,960 --> 00:21:49,199
Speaker 4: but it only ranges in the US right there, and

456
00:21:49,240 --> 00:21:52,720
Speaker 4: that's like the yeah, we haven't gotten that one yet,

457
00:21:53,040 --> 00:21:54,960
Speaker 4: and there are very few there, and it's a fairly

458
00:21:55,000 --> 00:21:58,960
Speaker 4: sketchy area to go to because of the illegal stuff

459
00:21:59,000 --> 00:22:01,920
Speaker 4: on the border. And then the other is a subspecies

460
00:22:01,960 --> 00:22:03,320
Speaker 4: of one that science has kind.

461
00:22:03,119 --> 00:22:03,800
Speaker 2: Of did away with.

462
00:22:04,320 --> 00:22:08,480
Speaker 4: But we're we're old, we're clinging to the old ways.

463
00:22:08,760 --> 00:22:12,680
Speaker 4: Is that's called a desert Massissauga.

464
00:22:12,840 --> 00:22:14,720
Speaker 1: Where they live, they.

465
00:22:14,520 --> 00:22:15,880
Speaker 2: Have a really spotty distribution.

466
00:22:15,960 --> 00:22:18,800
Speaker 4: They they're on the coast of Texas, like Brownsville up

467
00:22:18,800 --> 00:22:23,960
Speaker 4: to where's the spring Break place, Padre Island, Padre Island,

468
00:22:23,960 --> 00:22:26,359
Speaker 4: down to Brownsville they occur, and then in West Texas

469
00:22:26,400 --> 00:22:29,800
Speaker 4: they're kind of spotty, and then in Colorado and then

470
00:22:29,880 --> 00:22:32,280
Speaker 4: New Mexico and in Arizona. But they're not just like

471
00:22:32,320 --> 00:22:36,600
Speaker 4: a wide ranging they're very spotty distributions, and science interesting

472
00:22:36,760 --> 00:22:38,600
Speaker 4: kind of doesn't recognize it now. They just call it

473
00:22:38,640 --> 00:22:42,000
Speaker 4: all a western Massissauga, which I found the western Massissauga

474
00:22:42,240 --> 00:22:43,600
Speaker 4: just not the desert. Wow.

475
00:22:43,920 --> 00:22:47,840
Speaker 1: So, okay, have you been bit by a venomous snake

476
00:22:48,040 --> 00:22:51,240
Speaker 1: now envenomed, never had not yet.

477
00:22:51,320 --> 00:22:54,840
Speaker 4: No, Okay, pretty uh, pretty dangerous, you know, deal, And

478
00:22:55,440 --> 00:22:59,320
Speaker 4: you know we understand the the what you know, the

479
00:22:59,440 --> 00:23:01,720
Speaker 4: risk and and you know we're prepared for that because

480
00:23:01,720 --> 00:23:03,960
Speaker 4: if you play with fire long enough, you're probably gonna

481
00:23:03,960 --> 00:23:04,399
Speaker 4: get burnt.

482
00:23:04,600 --> 00:23:07,320
Speaker 1: But what's your what's your take on a guy like

483
00:23:07,400 --> 00:23:09,840
Speaker 1: mister Fred that's been bit so many times and doesn't

484
00:23:10,119 --> 00:23:14,359
Speaker 1: like I've gotta I've gotta tell the well, let me

485
00:23:14,400 --> 00:23:16,680
Speaker 1: tell the rest of the story. I have a recording

486
00:23:16,720 --> 00:23:19,560
Speaker 1: of Fred telling what he did after he got bit

487
00:23:19,640 --> 00:23:22,800
Speaker 1: by that banded Egyptian cobra. Oh yeah, I considered playing it.

488
00:23:22,840 --> 00:23:26,600
Speaker 1: I mean, it's like gold to me, his story. But

489
00:23:26,840 --> 00:23:29,000
Speaker 1: he was a young man, So let me tell that story.

490
00:23:29,800 --> 00:23:32,320
Speaker 2: Oh, we got a new microwave. I got a microwave

491
00:23:32,359 --> 00:23:33,040
Speaker 2: and it still keeps.

492
00:23:33,160 --> 00:23:35,240
Speaker 1: We thought we had that fix. Turns out what we

493
00:23:35,280 --> 00:23:38,920
Speaker 1: thought was beabing and it wasn't beeping. Mister Fred, when

494
00:23:38,920 --> 00:23:42,159
Speaker 1: he got bit by that banded Egyptian cobra bitting him

495
00:23:42,200 --> 00:23:43,960
Speaker 1: right on the hand and got him good, he had to.

496
00:23:44,000 --> 00:23:46,280
Speaker 1: He had to put his foot on the snake and

497
00:23:46,400 --> 00:23:50,480
Speaker 1: pull the cobra off of him. He he tells the

498
00:23:50,520 --> 00:23:54,399
Speaker 1: story of how he finishes doing what he was doing,

499
00:23:54,560 --> 00:23:59,159
Speaker 1: like he was working on something and he finished working

500
00:23:59,200 --> 00:24:03,360
Speaker 1: on it, and then he told the girl that was there, like, hey,

501
00:24:03,680 --> 00:24:05,600
Speaker 1: keep running this place. I'm going to run down to

502
00:24:05,640 --> 00:24:06,160
Speaker 1: the hospital.

503
00:24:06,160 --> 00:24:07,400
Speaker 2: He drove himself to the hospital.

504
00:24:07,560 --> 00:24:10,640
Speaker 1: His wife was with him. But when he gets bit,

505
00:24:10,800 --> 00:24:14,160
Speaker 1: he doesn't check into the hospital because when he was young,

506
00:24:14,240 --> 00:24:16,240
Speaker 1: the first time that he was in venomed by a snake,

507
00:24:16,240 --> 00:24:20,520
Speaker 1: when he was fourteen, he a went into anaphylactic shock

508
00:24:21,240 --> 00:24:24,919
Speaker 1: and nearly died from because of the medicine, And so

509
00:24:25,440 --> 00:24:28,560
Speaker 1: he wants to be close to the hospital in case

510
00:24:28,600 --> 00:24:30,760
Speaker 1: he starts to die, but he doesn't want to check

511
00:24:30,800 --> 00:24:33,479
Speaker 1: himself in. Well, how do you think hospitals feel about that?

512
00:24:34,320 --> 00:24:37,520
Speaker 1: Not great, they don't. They're not real cool on it.

513
00:24:37,560 --> 00:24:41,760
Speaker 1: So he goes into the waiting room and is sitting there,

514
00:24:42,320 --> 00:24:44,440
Speaker 1: and you know, he's holding his arm and he said

515
00:24:44,480 --> 00:24:48,080
Speaker 1: it swelled up to about his elbow, but not that bad,

516
00:24:48,960 --> 00:24:53,720
Speaker 1: no pain. But he said his throat started to close up.

517
00:24:54,800 --> 00:24:56,639
Speaker 1: Whatever kind of venom it would be in a cobra,

518
00:24:57,040 --> 00:24:59,239
Speaker 1: his throat started to close up and he started having

519
00:24:59,280 --> 00:25:02,040
Speaker 1: a hard time breeze and and he was, but but

520
00:25:02,119 --> 00:25:07,119
Speaker 1: his arm just just swelled up. And long story short,

521
00:25:07,400 --> 00:25:11,720
Speaker 1: as I understand that the hospital got word that this

522
00:25:11,760 --> 00:25:15,760
Speaker 1: guy had been bit by a cobra and was like

523
00:25:15,880 --> 00:25:17,840
Speaker 1: waiting it out, and they weren't going to have it,

524
00:25:17,880 --> 00:25:20,639
Speaker 1: And so they bring a kind of a crew of

525
00:25:20,640 --> 00:25:26,040
Speaker 1: people out to kind of like and and Fred, granted,

526
00:25:26,200 --> 00:25:29,320
Speaker 1: is a he's a carneye. I mean like he's a.

527
00:25:30,480 --> 00:25:33,080
Speaker 2: He's a side show. Yeah.

528
00:25:33,200 --> 00:25:34,360
Speaker 1: That's not a bad word.

529
00:25:34,200 --> 00:25:34,359
Speaker 2: Is it.

530
00:25:34,720 --> 00:25:36,480
Speaker 6: I don't I don't think it's one that we say.

531
00:25:36,720 --> 00:25:38,960
Speaker 1: Carnival. He worked at a carnival. I think it's a word.

532
00:25:39,000 --> 00:25:44,640
Speaker 1: I've heard him say. He does it, he mister Fred there.

533
00:25:44,720 --> 00:25:46,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, Take that's a legitimate job.

534
00:25:47,080 --> 00:25:48,760
Speaker 6: Take where I said it's a bad word out.

535
00:25:48,640 --> 00:25:53,040
Speaker 1: No, it's an honorable, honorable trade. Bear you should look

536
00:25:53,080 --> 00:25:59,240
Speaker 1: into getting into the carnival son. And basically he stands

537
00:25:59,320 --> 00:26:01,800
Speaker 1: up to greet the doctor. He sees what's about to happen,

538
00:26:01,840 --> 00:26:03,200
Speaker 1: and he shoots out.

539
00:26:03,000 --> 00:26:05,480
Speaker 2: The door and he's dalling wiry.

540
00:26:05,400 --> 00:26:09,159
Speaker 1: Yes, and it's dark outside, and he runs into the

541
00:26:09,200 --> 00:26:13,320
Speaker 1: woods and and basically runs away and hides. They call

542
00:26:13,359 --> 00:26:18,240
Speaker 1: the police and and there's this man hunt for Fred

543
00:26:18,440 --> 00:26:22,240
Speaker 1: in this town and they're looking for him all night,

544
00:26:22,320 --> 00:26:24,760
Speaker 1: and he sees flashlights and he's down in this little

545
00:26:24,840 --> 00:26:27,399
Speaker 1: ravine and finally he walks out the other side of

546
00:26:27,400 --> 00:26:31,880
Speaker 1: the ravine and it's been like six hours and he's

547
00:26:32,000 --> 00:26:36,600
Speaker 1: fine and he yeah, he's feeling better. And so he

548
00:26:36,720 --> 00:26:40,880
Speaker 1: decides he's gonna walk back to to the snake display

549
00:26:40,960 --> 00:26:44,240
Speaker 1: at the carnival and so he but he knows they're

550
00:26:44,280 --> 00:26:46,679
Speaker 1: looking for him, and he said he wanted to look normal,

551
00:26:46,720 --> 00:26:49,119
Speaker 1: so he went into a Dollar General and bought some

552
00:26:49,200 --> 00:26:53,040
Speaker 1: stuff and carried it in a Dollar General sack, just

553
00:26:53,080 --> 00:26:56,600
Speaker 1: so that he would have like, he just have something

554
00:26:56,640 --> 00:26:58,760
Speaker 1: to do rather than just walking down the road.

555
00:26:58,800 --> 00:26:59,960
Speaker 2: He just have it. Well.

556
00:27:00,000 --> 00:27:02,479
Speaker 1: Well, when he gets back to the carnival, basically the

557
00:27:02,520 --> 00:27:07,119
Speaker 1: carnival owner is like like, just like, I don't know

558
00:27:07,160 --> 00:27:10,440
Speaker 1: if he physically grabbed him, but like they made him

559
00:27:11,640 --> 00:27:15,120
Speaker 1: go back to the hospital and he was like, I'm

560
00:27:15,160 --> 00:27:17,760
Speaker 1: fine and they didn't do anything to him. So anyway,

561
00:27:17,960 --> 00:27:19,000
Speaker 1: he just toughed it out.

562
00:27:19,320 --> 00:27:21,120
Speaker 4: Yeah, wow, that's one way.

563
00:27:21,800 --> 00:27:23,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, but that recommends.

564
00:27:23,600 --> 00:27:26,040
Speaker 1: But he's he's been bid over twenty times and he's

565
00:27:26,080 --> 00:27:29,920
Speaker 1: only had antivenom twice. That's impressive, is that? I mean,

566
00:27:30,040 --> 00:27:30,920
Speaker 1: is that normal?

567
00:27:31,280 --> 00:27:34,800
Speaker 4: No, No, I wouldn't say it's normal. You know, talking

568
00:27:34,800 --> 00:27:38,040
Speaker 4: about the anphylectic shock used to They derived the anti

569
00:27:38,119 --> 00:27:41,080
Speaker 4: venom from horse serum, they called it, and the antibodies

570
00:27:41,119 --> 00:27:43,119
Speaker 4: and the horse and ours don't get along, and so

571
00:27:43,200 --> 00:27:45,560
Speaker 4: sometimes the reaction to the antivenom was just bad or

572
00:27:45,600 --> 00:27:48,840
Speaker 4: worse than the bite. So that's completely plausible. And then

573
00:27:49,880 --> 00:27:52,000
Speaker 4: after twenty I don't know, you may be building up

574
00:27:52,119 --> 00:27:53,880
Speaker 4: somewhat of a tolerance to the defense.

575
00:27:54,359 --> 00:27:55,920
Speaker 2: You know, just there it is.

576
00:27:56,040 --> 00:27:58,479
Speaker 4: Once again, in this weird world we live in, there

577
00:27:58,480 --> 00:28:00,679
Speaker 4: are people that self and ventomate, and they do it

578
00:28:00,800 --> 00:28:04,240
Speaker 4: very carefully, build up a tall build up tolerance. Because

579
00:28:04,520 --> 00:28:06,600
Speaker 4: he actually mentioned Bill Host.

580
00:28:06,400 --> 00:28:07,200
Speaker 1: Did you know that name?

581
00:28:07,280 --> 00:28:08,680
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, he's like.

582
00:28:08,640 --> 00:28:09,680
Speaker 4: The mount Rushing.

583
00:28:09,680 --> 00:28:11,000
Speaker 1: He actually like I should have known it.

584
00:28:11,080 --> 00:28:14,920
Speaker 4: Yeah, I was surprised you didn't get a little disappointed

585
00:28:14,920 --> 00:28:17,160
Speaker 4: at me. He has a kind of a roadside attraction

586
00:28:17,240 --> 00:28:21,200
Speaker 4: in Florida. For fifty years it was a snake reptile

587
00:28:21,240 --> 00:28:23,119
Speaker 4: gardens and he had been bitting on hundred I think

588
00:28:23,119 --> 00:28:24,880
Speaker 4: it's one hundred and sixty or one hundred and sixty eight

589
00:28:24,920 --> 00:28:29,560
Speaker 4: times by lies banded crates. King Kobra's like real bad stuff,

590
00:28:29,920 --> 00:28:32,200
Speaker 4: and he got to the point where he could just

591
00:28:32,480 --> 00:28:35,080
Speaker 4: stave it off. Wasn't a big deal, and they got

592
00:28:35,080 --> 00:28:38,800
Speaker 4: blood transfusion from him to save other people's lives because

593
00:28:39,000 --> 00:28:40,440
Speaker 4: he had built up his antibodies.

594
00:28:40,520 --> 00:28:41,720
Speaker 1: So that's that was Bill.

595
00:28:42,240 --> 00:28:43,440
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's crazy.

596
00:28:43,520 --> 00:28:44,360
Speaker 6: That is crazy.

597
00:28:44,720 --> 00:28:45,280
Speaker 2: My dad.

598
00:28:45,320 --> 00:28:48,200
Speaker 1: One time, I wish Dad was here. You probably know

599
00:28:48,600 --> 00:28:51,520
Speaker 1: this guy. I'm not gonna say his name. He watched

600
00:28:51,520 --> 00:28:54,200
Speaker 1: a guy get bit by a copperhead kind of a

601
00:28:54,520 --> 00:28:56,160
Speaker 1: kind of an animal snake guy.

602
00:28:56,240 --> 00:28:58,080
Speaker 4: And I think I know exactly who you're talking.

603
00:29:00,120 --> 00:29:01,400
Speaker 2: Well, Dad, I.

604
00:29:01,440 --> 00:29:02,880
Speaker 1: Mean I don't. I don't know if I would have

605
00:29:02,880 --> 00:29:07,360
Speaker 1: believed it, if somebody else would have. But Dad was like, Claire,

606
00:29:07,360 --> 00:29:09,560
Speaker 1: I mean, he reached down there and that snake just

607
00:29:10,160 --> 00:29:12,960
Speaker 1: nailed him right in the hand. And this guy didn't

608
00:29:13,000 --> 00:29:14,040
Speaker 1: even acknowledge it.

609
00:29:14,520 --> 00:29:16,360
Speaker 4: Yeah, like he wasn't.

610
00:29:16,760 --> 00:29:20,640
Speaker 1: I don't remember the exact circum circumstance. It's been fifteen

611
00:29:20,720 --> 00:29:23,760
Speaker 1: years since I've heard the story. And Dad said, did

612
00:29:23,760 --> 00:29:26,200
Speaker 1: that snake just bute you? And he, you know, almost

613
00:29:26,280 --> 00:29:28,440
Speaker 1: as if the question was offensive to him. He was

614
00:29:28,480 --> 00:29:32,760
Speaker 1: like yeah, And I was like, okay, all right, well

615
00:29:32,840 --> 00:29:36,800
Speaker 1: let's let's go anyway. I don't undert I don't understand.

616
00:29:36,880 --> 00:29:38,160
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's not a good plan.

617
00:29:38,240 --> 00:29:38,760
Speaker 2: I mean.

618
00:29:43,080 --> 00:29:45,320
Speaker 4: We tell people the best snake bite kit, you know,

619
00:29:45,400 --> 00:29:48,640
Speaker 4: they make these things you can still buy supporting good stores.

620
00:29:49,000 --> 00:29:51,880
Speaker 4: It's got a nice little surgery kit with section cups

621
00:29:51,880 --> 00:29:53,720
Speaker 4: and a razor, and it's kind of like.

622
00:29:53,640 --> 00:29:55,000
Speaker 1: Wait, is that the way to go though?

623
00:29:55,160 --> 00:29:57,240
Speaker 2: No, so what do you what?

624
00:29:57,240 --> 00:29:59,680
Speaker 1: What? What do you carry in the field for.

625
00:30:00,320 --> 00:30:03,400
Speaker 4: A cell phone and a set of car keys by

626
00:30:03,480 --> 00:30:04,000
Speaker 4: far the best.

627
00:30:04,080 --> 00:30:05,640
Speaker 1: There's nothing, you can do nothing.

628
00:30:05,680 --> 00:30:08,400
Speaker 4: The only thing that will treat snake bite is anti

629
00:30:08,480 --> 00:30:11,240
Speaker 4: venom and that some people always say, do you take

630
00:30:11,280 --> 00:30:12,800
Speaker 4: that with you have it at your house or the thing? No,

631
00:30:12,880 --> 00:30:14,600
Speaker 4: it's something that's got to be kept under you know,

632
00:30:15,200 --> 00:30:18,000
Speaker 4: really controlled conditions. Then it's got to be diluted in

633
00:30:18,200 --> 00:30:21,200
Speaker 4: saline and injected. It's not something you can just.

634
00:30:21,160 --> 00:30:21,840
Speaker 2: Have it up with.

635
00:30:21,960 --> 00:30:25,640
Speaker 4: Yeah I wish it was, but yeah, so it's uh yeah,

636
00:30:25,720 --> 00:30:28,320
Speaker 4: the only the only option is to get to a hospital.

637
00:30:28,560 --> 00:30:31,840
Speaker 1: So, okay, you're in the woods, you're back a mile

638
00:30:31,880 --> 00:30:34,600
Speaker 1: and a half, you get bit by timberrelllsnake.

639
00:30:35,080 --> 00:30:36,479
Speaker 2: What do you do? Uh?

640
00:30:36,640 --> 00:30:38,840
Speaker 4: The first thing be try to stay calm, which would

641
00:30:38,840 --> 00:30:42,840
Speaker 4: probably be hard, and then uh, you know, walk as

642
00:30:42,920 --> 00:30:46,440
Speaker 4: fast as you could without getting winded back to a

643
00:30:46,520 --> 00:30:49,400
Speaker 4: vehicle and get get you know, to a hospital.

644
00:30:49,480 --> 00:30:50,400
Speaker 1: It's just that simple.

645
00:30:50,680 --> 00:30:52,640
Speaker 4: Yeah, it really is. I mean, because, like I say,

646
00:30:52,680 --> 00:30:55,840
Speaker 4: there's really nothing else you can do. Tourniquets are such

647
00:30:55,880 --> 00:30:58,000
Speaker 4: a bad idea because you know the old timers, they'd say,

648
00:30:58,000 --> 00:30:59,840
Speaker 4: put a tourniquet on it and then cut ex's on it.

649
00:31:00,040 --> 00:31:02,160
Speaker 4: Out of a second. Once the venom hits your skin

650
00:31:02,200 --> 00:31:05,920
Speaker 4: and subcutaneous level, it's in your all over. Yeah, and

651
00:31:06,080 --> 00:31:08,720
Speaker 4: if you you know, section that off with a tourniquet,

652
00:31:08,760 --> 00:31:11,200
Speaker 4: you're keeping this venom in there. Well, venom, it's not

653
00:31:11,240 --> 00:31:15,080
Speaker 4: only a poison, it's also a digestive enzyme basically helps

654
00:31:15,080 --> 00:31:18,080
Speaker 4: digest the food at the pit viper's eat. So when

655
00:31:18,120 --> 00:31:20,360
Speaker 4: you pull that venom up in one area and don't

656
00:31:20,440 --> 00:31:23,040
Speaker 4: let it dilate through the body, you.

657
00:31:22,960 --> 00:31:25,120
Speaker 1: Know it's gonna it's it's gonna be terrible worse.

658
00:31:25,400 --> 00:31:31,720
Speaker 4: So yeah, basically, if you're three four hours from medical

659
00:31:31,800 --> 00:31:34,480
Speaker 4: tension that's life threatening problem, then you're probably gonna need

660
00:31:34,560 --> 00:31:36,480
Speaker 4: a helicopter or something, you know.

661
00:31:36,560 --> 00:31:37,800
Speaker 1: Call your buddy with a chopper.

662
00:31:37,960 --> 00:31:40,760
Speaker 4: Yeah, it could get serious real quick. But you know

663
00:31:40,840 --> 00:31:43,840
Speaker 4: if you're within. A friend of ours is doctor Spencer

664
00:31:43,880 --> 00:31:47,200
Speaker 4: Green in Houston, and he's like the the expert and

665
00:31:47,240 --> 00:31:49,040
Speaker 4: snake back in the United States. He's probably treated more

666
00:31:49,040 --> 00:31:52,720
Speaker 4: than anybody, all the other doctors combined. But he always said,

667
00:31:53,200 --> 00:31:56,480
Speaker 4: roughly two hours. You got two hours, you know, really

668
00:31:56,480 --> 00:31:58,240
Speaker 4: two hours, you know, And there's a lot of it

669
00:31:58,400 --> 00:32:02,560
Speaker 4: all for any Let let me clarify though, there's a

670
00:32:02,560 --> 00:32:04,200
Speaker 4: lot of you know, there's a lot of disparity in

671
00:32:04,240 --> 00:32:06,720
Speaker 4: the severity of the bite because sometimes snakes will do

672
00:32:06,720 --> 00:32:08,760
Speaker 4: what's called a dry bite, where it's just kind of

673
00:32:09,000 --> 00:32:10,680
Speaker 4: you annoyed the snake and he's just telling you leave

674
00:32:10,720 --> 00:32:13,000
Speaker 4: me alone, and he doesn't inject any venom. And then,

675
00:32:13,240 --> 00:32:15,400
Speaker 4: like I said, and a snake controlled that, Yes.

676
00:32:15,360 --> 00:32:18,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, weren't you paying attention on episode four I did.

677
00:32:18,600 --> 00:32:21,960
Speaker 4: That was clearly covered, but it just I remember that.

678
00:32:23,000 --> 00:32:25,040
Speaker 4: But yeah, they can control the amount of venom. And

679
00:32:25,400 --> 00:32:27,360
Speaker 4: if they're you know, himmed up on your porch by

680
00:32:27,440 --> 00:32:29,840
Speaker 4: Jack Russell Terrier and you get bit, that snake's probably

681
00:32:29,840 --> 00:32:32,160
Speaker 4: gonna sock it to you. Whereas if you're just walking

682
00:32:32,160 --> 00:32:33,560
Speaker 4: out in your yard and flip flock and you actually

683
00:32:33,560 --> 00:32:35,960
Speaker 4: step on one, it may be a dry bite. But

684
00:32:36,080 --> 00:32:37,840
Speaker 4: you know, so there's a lot of variables. But he

685
00:32:38,080 --> 00:32:41,720
Speaker 4: his ballpark was if you're within two hours of emergency

686
00:32:41,720 --> 00:32:43,520
Speaker 4: medical care, you're probably gonna be fine.

687
00:32:43,760 --> 00:32:44,120
Speaker 1: Wow.

688
00:32:44,320 --> 00:32:45,760
Speaker 2: But you know there are exceptions of that.

689
00:32:45,800 --> 00:32:48,440
Speaker 4: If it's a huge snake and you've got a really

690
00:32:48,480 --> 00:32:50,880
Speaker 4: long walk in your Hartket salvator, you know, bad things

691
00:32:50,880 --> 00:32:54,280
Speaker 4: can happen. I think we have roughly six snake bite

692
00:32:54,280 --> 00:32:57,240
Speaker 4: deaths a year in the United States un States, and mostly.

693
00:32:57,120 --> 00:32:59,720
Speaker 1: The trend of what snake is killing people.

694
00:32:59,640 --> 00:33:01,400
Speaker 4: It's Eastern diamondbacks.

695
00:33:01,080 --> 00:33:03,720
Speaker 2: Are the most venomous that we have in the stone.

696
00:33:05,160 --> 00:33:10,200
Speaker 4: Proved an Eastern diamondback. I think it's technically the most dangerous.

697
00:33:10,520 --> 00:33:13,320
Speaker 1: The most the most potent venom Yes.

698
00:33:13,520 --> 00:33:15,760
Speaker 4: But they're in a limited range and you don't see

699
00:33:15,800 --> 00:33:17,480
Speaker 4: them that often Western dimond backs.

700
00:33:17,560 --> 00:33:19,760
Speaker 2: Just to remind everybody, we have one of those in

701
00:33:19,920 --> 00:33:21,080
Speaker 2: a bucket right here.

702
00:33:21,200 --> 00:33:23,000
Speaker 1: We're gonna look at him, We're gonna look at him

703
00:33:23,000 --> 00:33:25,040
Speaker 1: in just a minute. But he can take it. You know.

704
00:33:25,120 --> 00:33:27,200
Speaker 4: That's one of the myths on snake bite is you

705
00:33:27,200 --> 00:33:29,440
Speaker 4: know a lot of people will hear this and be like, oh,

706
00:33:29,480 --> 00:33:32,760
Speaker 4: I've heard that. Uh, baby, snakes can't control the amount

707
00:33:32,760 --> 00:33:34,520
Speaker 4: of venom. If they bite you, they just hit you

708
00:33:34,560 --> 00:33:37,480
Speaker 4: the everything they got and then baby snake's venom is

709
00:33:37,520 --> 00:33:39,720
Speaker 4: like highly refined. It's more dangerous than a big snake.

710
00:33:39,960 --> 00:33:41,320
Speaker 4: That is not the case. That's one of the few

711
00:33:41,360 --> 00:33:43,720
Speaker 4: things that is in stone, and snake bite is a

712
00:33:43,760 --> 00:33:45,680
Speaker 4: bigger snake always is going to be a worst.

713
00:33:45,520 --> 00:33:49,120
Speaker 1: Bite really because the volume of venom.

714
00:33:49,000 --> 00:33:50,600
Speaker 2: And the you know, the hardware.

715
00:33:50,600 --> 00:33:52,239
Speaker 4: If you think about a baby snake is things are

716
00:33:52,240 --> 00:33:53,800
Speaker 4: going to be little and a big snake's on that

717
00:33:53,920 --> 00:33:57,600
Speaker 4: big stronger fans. So there's that's one of the few

718
00:33:57,640 --> 00:33:59,480
Speaker 4: things that is pretty much in stone. It's a bigger

719
00:33:59,480 --> 00:34:00,920
Speaker 4: snakes cut a worse bat.

720
00:34:01,600 --> 00:34:03,840
Speaker 2: Do you have a question, do all snakes have the

721
00:34:04,480 --> 00:34:10,600
Speaker 2: have the the and the the venom is from a

722
00:34:10,640 --> 00:34:14,000
Speaker 2: gland by the fangs or it actually comes through the fangs.

723
00:34:13,719 --> 00:34:15,600
Speaker 4: It comes through the things or like a hyperdiermerent meel.

724
00:34:15,640 --> 00:34:17,359
Speaker 2: Are all snakes that way? No?

725
00:34:17,440 --> 00:34:22,200
Speaker 4: Just okay, So coral snake is in the lapid.

726
00:34:22,400 --> 00:34:25,440
Speaker 1: That's that's like cut like my cobras.

727
00:34:24,920 --> 00:34:27,520
Speaker 4: And unlike the cobra. Well now they're pretty much similar.

728
00:34:27,600 --> 00:34:30,799
Speaker 4: They have fixed front fangs, but they're fairly primitive. That's

729
00:34:30,800 --> 00:34:33,400
Speaker 4: why I don't consider coral snakes that dangerous because they

730
00:34:33,400 --> 00:34:35,680
Speaker 4: have very You have to be really dumb to get

731
00:34:35,680 --> 00:34:38,600
Speaker 4: bit by a coral snake. They have to latch on

732
00:34:38,680 --> 00:34:40,839
Speaker 4: and basically chew until they break the skin, and they

733
00:34:40,880 --> 00:34:45,080
Speaker 4: almost salivate the venom into your system. Interesting, whereas a

734
00:34:45,120 --> 00:34:47,680
Speaker 4: pit viper hits you in the blink of an eye

735
00:34:47,719 --> 00:34:48,280
Speaker 4: and they've being.

736
00:34:48,280 --> 00:34:51,239
Speaker 1: But a cobra when he hits you, he bites onto you. Yeah,

737
00:34:51,280 --> 00:34:53,560
Speaker 1: he does show their chewers too, but he gets you

738
00:34:53,640 --> 00:34:54,120
Speaker 1: quick though.

739
00:34:54,200 --> 00:34:57,400
Speaker 4: Yeah. And they have bigger, more well developed fangs than

740
00:34:57,440 --> 00:34:58,200
Speaker 4: like a coral snake.

741
00:34:58,280 --> 00:35:01,920
Speaker 1: That's that's a little spookier that and you know, yeah,

742
00:35:02,120 --> 00:35:04,319
Speaker 1: a pit viprate when he strikes you, I mean it's

743
00:35:04,320 --> 00:35:06,680
Speaker 1: like he's just like punching you. It's like pop pop,

744
00:35:06,760 --> 00:35:09,080
Speaker 1: And then he comes back a cobra when he hits you,

745
00:35:09,280 --> 00:35:12,600
Speaker 1: like he's gonna yeah, even if he isn't trying to

746
00:35:12,640 --> 00:35:15,840
Speaker 1: eat you, because like if you got a bit by cobra,

747
00:35:16,120 --> 00:35:19,759
Speaker 1: like he knows he's not he's not striking to eat you, right,

748
00:35:20,440 --> 00:35:21,960
Speaker 1: he still would latch onto you.

749
00:35:22,040 --> 00:35:23,560
Speaker 4: Yeah, he's trying to intimate you.

750
00:35:24,000 --> 00:35:24,239
Speaker 2: Wow.

751
00:35:24,440 --> 00:35:25,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's risky.

752
00:35:27,680 --> 00:35:30,759
Speaker 6: I have I've got I've got a couple of good snake.

753
00:35:30,560 --> 00:35:32,400
Speaker 2: Stories, good snake stories.

754
00:35:32,520 --> 00:35:34,920
Speaker 3: I have good snake stories. And one I have a

755
00:35:35,000 --> 00:35:38,840
Speaker 3: question about that. Maybe maybe he can answer. Do we

756
00:35:38,840 --> 00:35:39,759
Speaker 3: have time for snake stories?

757
00:35:39,800 --> 00:35:40,560
Speaker 2: Okay, okay?

758
00:35:41,000 --> 00:35:41,560
Speaker 6: First story.

759
00:35:41,840 --> 00:35:46,120
Speaker 3: When our kids were little, probably like seven, Bear was

760
00:35:46,120 --> 00:35:49,759
Speaker 3: probably seven, Josh's son was probably nine or ten. We

761
00:35:49,800 --> 00:35:54,280
Speaker 3: would go on hikes and hit Josh's Josh Bilmaker's wife, Christy,

762
00:35:54,320 --> 00:35:56,040
Speaker 3: and I would go with all of our kids, and

763
00:35:56,040 --> 00:36:00,279
Speaker 3: so together we had like seven kids together, all a

764
00:36:00,280 --> 00:36:02,279
Speaker 3: pa a pascle of kids. So one day we were

765
00:36:02,320 --> 00:36:05,080
Speaker 3: out on a on a hike. I remember Shep was

766
00:36:05,120 --> 00:36:07,000
Speaker 3: five because he had just gotten his tubes out of

767
00:36:07,000 --> 00:36:09,920
Speaker 3: his ear. And we were out there hiking and we

768
00:36:09,920 --> 00:36:14,239
Speaker 3: were on some big underneath some big bluffs, and these

769
00:36:14,280 --> 00:36:16,960
Speaker 3: snakes literally just start coming off the bluff.

770
00:36:16,960 --> 00:36:22,920
Speaker 2: Do you remember this, Yeah, yeah, yeah.

771
00:36:21,200 --> 00:36:26,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, And they just and and David, David was probably nine,

772
00:36:26,480 --> 00:36:29,680
Speaker 3: and he screamed snakes and it's like these snakes are

773
00:36:29,800 --> 00:36:33,759
Speaker 3: raining from the heavens and we all start screaming, and

774
00:36:33,960 --> 00:36:38,560
Speaker 3: Christy grabs Shepherd so tight, and.

775
00:36:38,560 --> 00:36:40,200
Speaker 2: I believe the words that came out of your mouth

776
00:36:40,239 --> 00:36:44,040
Speaker 2: were plural. Oh yeah, I think.

777
00:36:44,080 --> 00:36:47,960
Speaker 3: I just say, yeah, I think I think you.

778
00:36:48,160 --> 00:36:49,920
Speaker 6: For some reason I got into the grammar of it.

779
00:36:50,719 --> 00:36:54,080
Speaker 3: Well yeah, and then they kind of went away, and

780
00:36:54,280 --> 00:36:57,240
Speaker 3: all of us were just like, what just happened?

781
00:36:57,520 --> 00:36:58,120
Speaker 1: How many snakes?

782
00:36:58,120 --> 00:36:59,080
Speaker 2: Do you think? So too?

783
00:36:59,160 --> 00:37:04,840
Speaker 3: There were two, but it felt like snake's ray for

784
00:37:04,920 --> 00:37:08,040
Speaker 3: the heaven. And Christie let go of Shepherd and He's

785
00:37:08,160 --> 00:37:11,240
Speaker 3: just like, screwy.

786
00:37:11,520 --> 00:37:14,000
Speaker 6: Because and Christy said, who was I holding?

787
00:37:14,040 --> 00:37:18,360
Speaker 2: I'm so sorry. I'm like pretty sure was That's a

788
00:37:18,680 --> 00:37:21,719
Speaker 2: response my wife has when she sees a snake on

789
00:37:21,800 --> 00:37:22,360
Speaker 2: a movie.

790
00:37:23,320 --> 00:37:25,120
Speaker 1: I wish you could have been here today.

791
00:37:25,640 --> 00:37:29,480
Speaker 2: She would not have done it. Yeah, well, so were

792
00:37:29,480 --> 00:37:30,040
Speaker 2: they racing?

793
00:37:31,680 --> 00:37:31,919
Speaker 4: No?

794
00:37:32,080 --> 00:37:33,120
Speaker 1: Were they What were the.

795
00:37:38,080 --> 00:37:41,680
Speaker 2: Numbers on top of their That's hard to.

796
00:37:43,280 --> 00:37:45,839
Speaker 4: Guess, would be that might be some sort of den

797
00:37:46,080 --> 00:37:49,600
Speaker 4: hybernaculum and they were coming out and gravity took hold

798
00:37:49,680 --> 00:37:50,600
Speaker 4: and or you know.

799
00:37:51,160 --> 00:37:53,279
Speaker 1: Yeah they were if I remember it right, of course,

800
00:37:53,320 --> 00:37:55,239
Speaker 1: I was like seven. But there were like a lot

801
00:37:55,239 --> 00:37:57,560
Speaker 1: of holes and they were like going in and out

802
00:37:57,560 --> 00:38:00,600
Speaker 1: of the holes whenever they got down on the ground.

803
00:38:01,040 --> 00:38:02,920
Speaker 1: That look like more than ones.

804
00:38:03,400 --> 00:38:04,600
Speaker 2: So there are definitely two, but.

805
00:38:06,920 --> 00:38:17,160
Speaker 1: Plural okay, okay, plural? Can we I want to see

806
00:38:17,160 --> 00:38:19,759
Speaker 1: these snakes. Can we get one out? Well, I mean

807
00:38:20,000 --> 00:38:22,279
Speaker 1: you tell me, you tell me. If it's not a

808
00:38:22,280 --> 00:38:23,040
Speaker 1: good idea.

809
00:38:22,800 --> 00:38:24,319
Speaker 4: We can know we can certainly get them out.

810
00:38:24,600 --> 00:38:27,040
Speaker 1: Well, I mean I brought them. I need you to

811
00:38:27,080 --> 00:38:30,719
Speaker 1: stay miked up though, that's the problem. Okay, wait, what

812
00:38:30,800 --> 00:38:33,200
Speaker 1: if what if we we cleared out you a space

813
00:38:33,280 --> 00:38:35,840
Speaker 1: right here? We can do that here, Misty, you should

814
00:38:36,120 --> 00:38:39,040
Speaker 1: need no just stand up and back up, bear, back up,

815
00:38:39,120 --> 00:38:41,600
Speaker 1: Josh to come over here. I just want to I

816
00:38:41,640 --> 00:38:42,640
Speaker 1: just want to see one.

817
00:38:43,719 --> 00:38:46,560
Speaker 2: So so I think I'll take this off.

818
00:38:46,840 --> 00:38:49,799
Speaker 1: Well, I don't want you to try not to yell.

819
00:38:51,520 --> 00:38:55,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, I need the the other one.

820
00:38:55,160 --> 00:38:58,920
Speaker 1: This is uh, Brad, you are gonna make your Can

821
00:38:58,920 --> 00:39:02,799
Speaker 1: you have me my phone right there? Yes, sir, you're

822
00:39:02,840 --> 00:39:06,360
Speaker 1: gonna make a name. You're gonna be on the legendary

823
00:39:06,440 --> 00:39:14,440
Speaker 1: list of render participants by bringing by default. Oh my,

824
00:39:15,080 --> 00:39:16,239
Speaker 1: look at that bad boy.

825
00:39:17,400 --> 00:39:18,040
Speaker 2: I'll get it out.

826
00:39:18,080 --> 00:39:22,600
Speaker 4: You'll have to come closer, okay, Oh my lord. Sometimes

827
00:39:22,600 --> 00:39:24,440
Speaker 4: he gets a little excited if he strikes.

828
00:39:24,880 --> 00:39:28,200
Speaker 2: And you found this, yea, is this a snake that

829
00:39:28,239 --> 00:39:29,479
Speaker 2: you found, Brad? Yeah?

830
00:39:29,520 --> 00:39:31,320
Speaker 4: This is a local animal.

831
00:39:31,560 --> 00:39:32,240
Speaker 1: Is it really?

832
00:39:32,800 --> 00:39:34,960
Speaker 2: Holy smokes?

833
00:39:36,480 --> 00:39:38,560
Speaker 1: So yeah, that's what I'm talking about.

834
00:39:38,440 --> 00:39:42,080
Speaker 4: What's interesting is here in Arkansas and eastern Oklahoma, these

835
00:39:42,120 --> 00:39:45,719
Speaker 4: get really large. Now out west, when you see diamondbacks,

836
00:39:45,760 --> 00:39:50,279
Speaker 4: they're kind of long and spinley, kind of oh, just

837
00:39:50,400 --> 00:39:53,000
Speaker 4: not big and thick like this, But in the range

838
00:39:53,040 --> 00:39:55,480
Speaker 4: here in Arkansas and Oklahoma, they get really large.

839
00:39:55,960 --> 00:39:59,560
Speaker 1: Now is he Is he a little more docile because

840
00:39:59,560 --> 00:40:00,520
Speaker 1: you've messed with him?

841
00:40:00,880 --> 00:40:03,280
Speaker 4: Now, if I got close, she would see a definite

842
00:40:03,400 --> 00:40:05,320
Speaker 4: change in his So he's not like friendly.

843
00:40:05,480 --> 00:40:09,120
Speaker 1: Huh, No, good thing I'm wearing my See, look at

844
00:40:09,120 --> 00:40:09,960
Speaker 1: the boots I'm wearing.

845
00:40:10,719 --> 00:40:11,879
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's probably a good thing.

846
00:40:13,560 --> 00:40:15,160
Speaker 1: Wow, hey, big boy.

847
00:40:15,320 --> 00:40:18,600
Speaker 4: Sometimes it's easier to control him just by holding him

848
00:40:18,600 --> 00:40:22,520
Speaker 4: like this. So the curious thing about these is, like

849
00:40:22,560 --> 00:40:25,120
Speaker 4: I say, most of the deaths from rattlesnakes the United

850
00:40:25,120 --> 00:40:27,880
Speaker 4: States come from this species, and it's because they have

851
00:40:27,920 --> 00:40:30,400
Speaker 4: a huge range. They're all the Southwest, and they're pretty

852
00:40:30,480 --> 00:40:35,400
Speaker 4: quick to get upset and bite and see that head.

853
00:40:36,239 --> 00:40:39,080
Speaker 4: I think the lethal dose for an adult human would

854
00:40:39,120 --> 00:40:41,880
Speaker 4: be like one hundred and fifty milligrams of venom, and

855
00:40:41,960 --> 00:40:43,719
Speaker 4: he could probably dose she was about four hundred to

856
00:40:43,760 --> 00:40:44,440
Speaker 4: six hundred.

857
00:40:44,239 --> 00:40:46,920
Speaker 1: Millions, So just like straight up die from that.

858
00:40:47,000 --> 00:40:47,200
Speaker 2: Both.

859
00:40:47,280 --> 00:40:48,560
Speaker 4: Yeah, this could be dangerous.

860
00:40:48,800 --> 00:40:51,800
Speaker 2: But what is that snake? Probably fifty two inches long.

861
00:40:52,440 --> 00:40:55,280
Speaker 4: The last time measured it was seventy seventy.

862
00:40:55,600 --> 00:40:57,040
Speaker 1: How old do you think that snake is?

863
00:40:57,120 --> 00:40:59,759
Speaker 4: This snake is probably twenty five to thirty years old,

864
00:41:00,520 --> 00:41:01,160
Speaker 4: very long lived.

865
00:41:01,280 --> 00:41:02,200
Speaker 1: How long have you had it?

866
00:41:02,440 --> 00:41:04,719
Speaker 4: I've had it for fifteen years and it was this

867
00:41:04,760 --> 00:41:06,040
Speaker 4: big one. I got it.

868
00:41:05,880 --> 00:41:09,000
Speaker 2: Really Yeah, have you had that? Ye oh? Yes?

869
00:41:09,000 --> 00:41:10,439
Speaker 1: How often do you feed him?

870
00:41:10,800 --> 00:41:11,000
Speaker 2: Uh?

871
00:41:11,040 --> 00:41:13,400
Speaker 4: In the summertime about once every other week?

872
00:41:13,560 --> 00:41:14,359
Speaker 1: What do you feed him?

873
00:41:14,680 --> 00:41:17,680
Speaker 4: Interesting story there. So when I got this thing, you're

874
00:41:17,719 --> 00:41:21,000
Speaker 4: doing great. It wouldn't eat. And I tried all different

875
00:41:21,000 --> 00:41:23,360
Speaker 4: colors of rats and mice because you order rats and

876
00:41:23,360 --> 00:41:26,680
Speaker 4: mice online they're frozen. And I tried black ones and

877
00:41:26,680 --> 00:41:29,480
Speaker 4: white ones and gray ones, and then I tried live

878
00:41:29,520 --> 00:41:30,880
Speaker 4: ones and he wouldn't have anything to do with it,

879
00:41:30,920 --> 00:41:32,879
Speaker 4: wouldn't eat. And then one day I was driving home

880
00:41:32,880 --> 00:41:35,120
Speaker 4: with my son and there's a big dead gray squirrel

881
00:41:35,120 --> 00:41:37,120
Speaker 4: in her rode in from of her house and I said, hey,

882
00:41:37,120 --> 00:41:39,600
Speaker 4: grab that squirrel and we threw it in the cage

883
00:41:39,600 --> 00:41:40,400
Speaker 4: and he ate it.

884
00:41:40,600 --> 00:41:41,200
Speaker 2: No way.

885
00:41:41,480 --> 00:41:44,680
Speaker 1: Wow, this one was like feeding it old country boy

886
00:41:44,719 --> 00:41:47,680
Speaker 1: a corn dog. So now it was like, this is

887
00:41:47,719 --> 00:41:48,839
Speaker 1: the one I've been waiting for.

888
00:41:48,960 --> 00:41:50,520
Speaker 4: I keep a pellet gun by the door, and every

889
00:41:50,560 --> 00:41:51,640
Speaker 4: time I see a squirrel in the yard.

890
00:41:51,880 --> 00:41:53,919
Speaker 1: So how how often do you feed him?

891
00:41:54,320 --> 00:41:56,440
Speaker 2: Uh? About every other week in the summer?

892
00:41:56,680 --> 00:41:58,840
Speaker 1: Really were Wow?

893
00:41:58,960 --> 00:42:02,279
Speaker 2: What a I would like this to not mean the

894
00:42:02,280 --> 00:42:03,960
Speaker 2: first time that Brad gets bit by.

895
00:42:05,440 --> 00:42:09,440
Speaker 4: Yeah, well I'll put that one in there if he'll go.

896
00:42:09,640 --> 00:42:12,640
Speaker 2: Sometimes he has a problem going.

897
00:42:13,120 --> 00:42:15,280
Speaker 1: And now he breaks a lot of his rattles.

898
00:42:15,320 --> 00:42:18,560
Speaker 4: Yes, he is notorious for breaking his rattle. That's why

899
00:42:18,600 --> 00:42:19,959
Speaker 4: he doesn't have a very big one.

900
00:42:20,120 --> 00:42:23,279
Speaker 2: That sound is unnerving. Wow? What to hear this other one?

901
00:42:24,520 --> 00:42:24,719
Speaker 4: Now?

902
00:42:25,400 --> 00:42:28,520
Speaker 1: Okay, wow, good job Brads.

903
00:42:28,560 --> 00:42:31,480
Speaker 2: The closest I've ever been to a rattlesnake that wasn't

904
00:42:31,520 --> 00:42:35,840
Speaker 2: in a cage.

905
00:42:35,840 --> 00:42:39,120
Speaker 4: This is a big timor rattlesnake. This is what old

906
00:42:39,120 --> 00:42:41,000
Speaker 4: timers referred to as a velvet tail.

907
00:42:41,480 --> 00:42:43,040
Speaker 1: Now this is my favorite man.

908
00:42:43,200 --> 00:42:44,480
Speaker 4: Some people call these cambri.

909
00:42:44,840 --> 00:42:46,600
Speaker 1: Is he bigger littler than the other one?

910
00:42:47,080 --> 00:42:53,160
Speaker 2: Well, holy smoke. Girth wise, he's probably a beautiful man.

911
00:42:53,200 --> 00:42:53,919
Speaker 1: I love that.

912
00:42:55,239 --> 00:42:58,719
Speaker 2: Listen, bro, I would like to not get friendly.

913
00:42:58,440 --> 00:43:00,879
Speaker 4: With you, but that one, and if you'll notice, has

914
00:43:00,880 --> 00:43:04,560
Speaker 4: an impressive string of rattles. He's never broken his rattles off.

915
00:43:06,200 --> 00:43:06,879
Speaker 1: Can I do this?

916
00:43:07,880 --> 00:43:12,200
Speaker 4: Yeah, you're good, But the demeanor of the tim rattlesninks

917
00:43:12,239 --> 00:43:13,319
Speaker 4: is quite a bit different.

918
00:43:13,000 --> 00:43:15,640
Speaker 1: Than they are. They are, They not as upset.

919
00:43:15,960 --> 00:43:18,480
Speaker 4: They will they will tolerate a lot more.

920
00:43:19,000 --> 00:43:23,560
Speaker 1: Good job, missy, mister put your headset on Misty's back

921
00:43:23,800 --> 00:43:24,480
Speaker 1: in the corner.

922
00:43:26,320 --> 00:43:28,920
Speaker 4: Hand on the man. But yeah, this one's got an

923
00:43:28,960 --> 00:43:32,760
Speaker 4: impressive string of rattles. I think there's like twenty twenty

924
00:43:32,800 --> 00:43:34,600
Speaker 4: six or twenty eight. I can't remember last time I

925
00:43:34,600 --> 00:43:38,480
Speaker 4: count them, but wow, they get Like I say, that's

926
00:43:38,520 --> 00:43:40,799
Speaker 4: about as big as one you'll see in Arkansas. I've

927
00:43:40,800 --> 00:43:42,160
Speaker 4: only found that one.

928
00:43:42,680 --> 00:43:43,800
Speaker 1: Does that send you a video?

929
00:43:44,160 --> 00:43:44,680
Speaker 4: Yeah?

930
00:43:44,719 --> 00:43:47,480
Speaker 2: That was that was a He probably.

931
00:43:47,160 --> 00:43:49,600
Speaker 1: Wasn't that big, but it was.

932
00:43:49,080 --> 00:43:50,720
Speaker 4: A big one. Yeah, that was awesome.

933
00:43:51,120 --> 00:43:54,680
Speaker 1: Now I feel like right now that snake like I

934
00:43:54,680 --> 00:43:57,080
Speaker 1: could reach down and touch it, uk you could.

935
00:43:57,080 --> 00:43:59,120
Speaker 4: I wouldn't recommend it, but.

936
00:43:58,600 --> 00:44:03,280
Speaker 1: But he's he's not Could he come from that position

937
00:44:03,360 --> 00:44:04,359
Speaker 1: and hit me right now?

938
00:44:04,800 --> 00:44:07,719
Speaker 4: So that's something I was gonna say. It's interesting about cobras.

939
00:44:08,000 --> 00:44:12,439
Speaker 4: So cobras can basically only strike straight down these guys.

940
00:44:12,440 --> 00:44:14,279
Speaker 4: If I get over here, he's gonna sling back over

941
00:44:14,320 --> 00:44:17,680
Speaker 4: and hit me. Cobras would have to turn around, and

942
00:44:17,719 --> 00:44:19,640
Speaker 4: that's that's one thing that they're a little easier to.

943
00:44:19,760 --> 00:44:22,360
Speaker 2: That snak is probably three three and a half inches

944
00:44:22,400 --> 00:44:23,480
Speaker 2: in diameter, and it's that.

945
00:44:23,600 --> 00:44:26,919
Speaker 1: Part more than that. I bet now he's as big

946
00:44:26,960 --> 00:44:29,160
Speaker 1: a round as a good subway sandwich in the middle.

947
00:44:29,239 --> 00:44:30,840
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's definitely that.

948
00:44:30,840 --> 00:44:33,319
Speaker 2: That water moccasin that I almost stepped on is probably three

949
00:44:33,320 --> 00:44:36,279
Speaker 2: times that, is that, right? I really wish you.

950
00:44:36,280 --> 00:44:37,120
Speaker 4: Would have gotten a picture.

951
00:44:37,760 --> 00:44:39,080
Speaker 2: This been the state record.

952
00:44:39,680 --> 00:44:45,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, I love now what what he's in a certain

953
00:44:45,320 --> 00:44:46,880
Speaker 1: phase like that the.

954
00:44:46,719 --> 00:44:52,120
Speaker 4: Coloration kind of the blonde phase in Arkansas. Now, he's

955
00:44:52,160 --> 00:44:54,279
Speaker 4: pretty much gonna stay this color. In Arcantel, you get

956
00:44:54,280 --> 00:44:56,520
Speaker 4: some of their kind of gray, have different tones of gray,

957
00:44:56,560 --> 00:44:58,200
Speaker 4: and then you get some that's kind of olive green,

958
00:44:58,719 --> 00:45:00,200
Speaker 4: and then you get this phase which is kind of

959
00:45:00,239 --> 00:45:02,279
Speaker 4: like a blond phase, which is pretty light.

960
00:45:02,800 --> 00:45:08,920
Speaker 1: Now, okay, Brad has critiqued my snake catching. It's not

961
00:45:09,080 --> 00:45:10,719
Speaker 1: good to catch him by the back of the head.

962
00:45:10,920 --> 00:45:14,560
Speaker 4: No why Okay, So right now his fangs are folded

963
00:45:14,640 --> 00:45:16,439
Speaker 4: up in the top of his mouth. If I reach

964
00:45:16,480 --> 00:45:18,000
Speaker 4: down to get him by the neck. Guess where his

965
00:45:18,040 --> 00:45:21,080
Speaker 4: fangs are pointed right into my fingers, and they can

966
00:45:21,080 --> 00:45:23,120
Speaker 4: bite through their bottom jaw. If they get mad enough,

967
00:45:23,120 --> 00:45:24,520
Speaker 4: they'll poke their fans.

968
00:45:24,280 --> 00:45:26,480
Speaker 2: Through their jaw, So that is bad.

969
00:45:26,960 --> 00:45:29,680
Speaker 4: So, like I say, if the best thing is to

970
00:45:29,800 --> 00:45:31,759
Speaker 4: not touch them at all, but if you have to

971
00:45:33,320 --> 00:45:36,279
Speaker 4: the best technique is to like let them stretch out

972
00:45:36,600 --> 00:45:38,160
Speaker 4: and get him by the tail, yeah, and get the

973
00:45:38,160 --> 00:45:40,439
Speaker 4: head going away from you. Yeah, and then you can

974
00:45:40,640 --> 00:45:46,160
Speaker 4: pretty much gently come under the tail and then let's say,

975
00:45:46,920 --> 00:45:49,680
Speaker 4: once they're supported, God, that's big sting.

976
00:45:51,880 --> 00:45:54,479
Speaker 1: Now does he eat squirrels? Uh?

977
00:45:54,560 --> 00:45:57,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, he has what does he prefer?

978
00:45:57,960 --> 00:46:00,120
Speaker 4: He will eat lab producing rats and mice.

979
00:46:00,680 --> 00:46:02,799
Speaker 1: So he's not as picky as not a picky.

980
00:46:02,680 --> 00:46:06,360
Speaker 4: Yeah, the diamondback will only eat squirrels and rabbits that

981
00:46:06,440 --> 00:46:10,200
Speaker 4: are not produced in a lab, wild caught, wildcar profound.

982
00:46:11,080 --> 00:46:14,120
Speaker 2: Wow. Can you strike your hand right there?

983
00:46:14,320 --> 00:46:14,360
Speaker 1: No?

984
00:46:14,640 --> 00:46:15,320
Speaker 2: Not in this position.

985
00:46:16,120 --> 00:46:18,160
Speaker 4: We got gravity working against him. And then, like I say,

986
00:46:18,200 --> 00:46:20,520
Speaker 4: he's using a lot of strength to come back up

987
00:46:20,719 --> 00:46:21,160
Speaker 4: towards me.

988
00:46:22,239 --> 00:46:24,360
Speaker 1: So so if you had him by the back of

989
00:46:24,440 --> 00:46:27,279
Speaker 1: the head right up against his neck, he could still

990
00:46:27,440 --> 00:46:29,480
Speaker 1: like stick his fangs back and hit your hand.

991
00:46:29,600 --> 00:46:32,359
Speaker 4: Yes, really yep, And like I say, that's where your

992
00:46:32,360 --> 00:46:34,239
Speaker 4: fingers are. That's why we don't do that.

993
00:46:34,520 --> 00:46:35,720
Speaker 2: How long have you had this snake?

994
00:46:36,200 --> 00:46:38,920
Speaker 4: This is a retired stud snake from the University of Arkansas.

995
00:46:39,080 --> 00:46:41,920
Speaker 4: Oh really, buddy, Mine was doing research on something with

996
00:46:41,960 --> 00:46:44,640
Speaker 4: timber raddle snakes and he was just up there making

997
00:46:44,719 --> 00:46:47,960
Speaker 4: babies and they were downside of the lab and I said,

998
00:46:48,000 --> 00:46:49,960
Speaker 4: I need a big Was he a wild cot Yeah,

999
00:46:50,160 --> 00:46:55,480
Speaker 4: came from Madison County. That right, Yep. I say, timber

1000
00:46:55,520 --> 00:46:58,000
Speaker 4: radlesnakes are a lot more they'll tolerate a lot more

1001
00:46:58,080 --> 00:47:00,799
Speaker 4: than the diamondbacks. Because you can see he's pretty much

1002
00:47:00,880 --> 00:47:02,879
Speaker 4: just annoyed that I'm holding him. What is the number

1003
00:47:02,920 --> 00:47:07,040
Speaker 4: of rattles equate to how many times it sheds a year? Okay,

1004
00:47:07,120 --> 00:47:09,920
Speaker 4: so he has a good year and he'll shed two

1005
00:47:10,000 --> 00:47:11,400
Speaker 4: or three times, he'll get three or four, you know,

1006
00:47:11,440 --> 00:47:13,680
Speaker 4: two three segments on the bottom of his rattle. If

1007
00:47:13,680 --> 00:47:15,319
Speaker 4: he has a bad year, like a drought and there's

1008
00:47:15,400 --> 00:47:17,960
Speaker 4: not much to eat, then he won't you know, he'll

1009
00:47:18,000 --> 00:47:20,520
Speaker 4: just shed once. Now I don't sure what he's doing

1010
00:47:20,600 --> 00:47:26,920
Speaker 4: here doing that, but yeah, the you can't age a rattlesnake.

1011
00:47:27,160 --> 00:47:29,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, that that whole how many rattles, how many years?

1012
00:47:29,719 --> 00:47:31,239
Speaker 4: Is just not because, like I say, you think that

1013
00:47:31,320 --> 00:47:34,480
Speaker 4: diamondback would have a huge section of rattles, but really doesn't.

1014
00:47:35,520 --> 00:47:40,480
Speaker 4: So there's the timber rattlesnake right now, this guy.

1015
00:47:41,200 --> 00:47:43,319
Speaker 1: That's probably more along the lines what I need.

1016
00:47:43,960 --> 00:47:49,560
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's a good starter snake. Now, now the irony

1017
00:47:49,719 --> 00:47:53,239
Speaker 4: is venom wise. This guy has got a lot more

1018
00:47:53,640 --> 00:47:57,880
Speaker 4: different stuff in his venom, whereas the diamondbacks pretty much

1019
00:47:57,880 --> 00:48:00,840
Speaker 4: a straight hemotoxin, which is just the venom that.

1020
00:48:01,280 --> 00:48:04,320
Speaker 2: Attacks the red blood cells and destroys the cell walls.

1021
00:48:05,600 --> 00:48:09,600
Speaker 4: The timberrel snakes got heema tuxin and neural tousin, which

1022
00:48:09,640 --> 00:48:11,200
Speaker 4: is what you get in the coral sticks in the cobras.

1023
00:48:11,600 --> 00:48:11,799
Speaker 2: Wow.

1024
00:48:11,880 --> 00:48:14,160
Speaker 4: So not only does it cause tissue loss and burning

1025
00:48:14,239 --> 00:48:16,600
Speaker 4: and all that, it can also like shut your die

1026
00:48:16,640 --> 00:48:17,080
Speaker 4: frame down.

1027
00:48:18,040 --> 00:48:20,920
Speaker 2: So okay, we're good, All snakes are up.

1028
00:48:21,200 --> 00:48:22,720
Speaker 1: We'll look at that one afterwards.

1029
00:48:22,800 --> 00:48:25,600
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, okay, all rights.

1030
00:48:28,000 --> 00:48:29,879
Speaker 1: Wow, that was that was some good.

1031
00:48:29,960 --> 00:48:31,160
Speaker 2: That was good. That was good.

1032
00:48:31,360 --> 00:48:36,360
Speaker 1: I wish you all could have seen it. So we

1033
00:48:36,480 --> 00:48:40,400
Speaker 1: do need to talk about the Cobra Scare podcast. I

1034
00:48:40,840 --> 00:48:43,919
Speaker 1: So I got to give credit to my friend Isaac Neil,

1035
00:48:44,320 --> 00:48:48,000
Speaker 1: who told me he he's from Springfield. I wanted him

1036
00:48:48,040 --> 00:48:49,200
Speaker 1: on this render but he couldn't come.

1037
00:48:50,000 --> 00:48:51,600
Speaker 6: Are they still raddling? Is that what I'm here?

1038
00:48:51,920 --> 00:48:52,120
Speaker 4: Yeah?

1039
00:48:52,280 --> 00:48:55,719
Speaker 1: They're still ling. So Isaac Neil was like, man, there's

1040
00:48:55,760 --> 00:48:57,840
Speaker 1: a great story in Springfield. He said, I don't know

1041
00:48:57,880 --> 00:49:00,279
Speaker 1: if it's really like a Bear Grease style store, but

1042
00:49:00,760 --> 00:49:02,839
Speaker 1: there were some cobras that got loosed the Great Cobra

1043
00:49:02,880 --> 00:49:06,520
Speaker 1: Scare of nineteen fifty three. There's a beer in Springfield

1044
00:49:06,600 --> 00:49:10,040
Speaker 1: that's named Cobra Scare. And I started researching it and

1045
00:49:10,120 --> 00:49:12,960
Speaker 1: I was like, Isaac, this is like big time up

1046
00:49:13,040 --> 00:49:16,719
Speaker 1: my alley. And the first two people that I contacted

1047
00:49:17,040 --> 00:49:20,880
Speaker 1: were it was Kyle Jeffries at the Mother's Brewery because

1048
00:49:20,960 --> 00:49:23,960
Speaker 1: these guys had named a beer Cobra Scare, and then

1049
00:49:24,120 --> 00:49:28,560
Speaker 1: he referred me to the museum curator, John Steller's. And

1050
00:49:29,560 --> 00:49:31,719
Speaker 1: when I talked to those guys, I was like, this

1051
00:49:31,960 --> 00:49:35,799
Speaker 1: is going to be good. And it really was one

1052
00:49:35,840 --> 00:49:38,000
Speaker 1: of my favorite podcasts that we've done in a while,

1053
00:49:38,520 --> 00:49:39,640
Speaker 1: just because it was so crazy.

1054
00:49:41,640 --> 00:49:43,839
Speaker 2: You've had quite the reaction to the video you put

1055
00:49:43,880 --> 00:49:44,520
Speaker 2: on Instagram.

1056
00:49:45,160 --> 00:49:49,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, what did you know about that would

1057
00:49:49,160 --> 00:49:50,359
Speaker 1: you have known about the cobra scare.

1058
00:49:50,360 --> 00:49:52,360
Speaker 4: I heard about that about five years ago, and I

1059
00:49:52,400 --> 00:49:57,200
Speaker 4: had never heard it before either what context? Some snake

1060
00:49:57,320 --> 00:50:00,400
Speaker 4: person on Facebook had a picture of a to give

1061
00:50:00,480 --> 00:50:02,879
Speaker 4: the sheriff holding the dead one there by the car. Yeah,

1062
00:50:02,880 --> 00:50:05,359
Speaker 4: it was like, you know, because black and white old,

1063
00:50:05,400 --> 00:50:07,440
Speaker 4: It's like, you didn't see many cobras, And I'm like,

1064
00:50:07,520 --> 00:50:09,960
Speaker 4: what is this? And I started doing a dig deep

1065
00:50:10,040 --> 00:50:11,640
Speaker 4: dive into Google and the next thing you know, I'm like,

1066
00:50:11,719 --> 00:50:12,880
Speaker 4: I hadn't no id, I've never heard of.

1067
00:50:12,840 --> 00:50:15,920
Speaker 1: This great cobras here fast. What stood out to you

1068
00:50:16,040 --> 00:50:17,600
Speaker 1: in that story? Anything stand out to you?

1069
00:50:18,760 --> 00:50:20,319
Speaker 2: Just the general.

1070
00:50:21,719 --> 00:50:25,160
Speaker 4: Outlook of people and snakes, you know, because in that time,

1071
00:50:25,560 --> 00:50:29,280
Speaker 4: you know, totally different time and just everybody being terrified

1072
00:50:29,360 --> 00:50:31,759
Speaker 4: and like these things are going to attack us, and

1073
00:50:32,000 --> 00:50:35,239
Speaker 4: you know, it's probably wasn't that big a deal. I mean,

1074
00:50:35,280 --> 00:50:37,319
Speaker 4: if your kids out playing in the yard and find

1075
00:50:37,400 --> 00:50:40,640
Speaker 4: some one, that's obviously bad. But these snakes weren't looking

1076
00:50:40,680 --> 00:50:42,279
Speaker 4: for people to bite, you know, They're just trying to

1077
00:50:42,360 --> 00:50:43,359
Speaker 4: hide or find food.

1078
00:50:43,800 --> 00:50:47,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, but you got to give it a little bit

1079
00:50:47,440 --> 00:50:50,800
Speaker 1: of credit though. Man, I would I would be spooked

1080
00:50:50,800 --> 00:50:53,120
Speaker 1: if they were just like, hey, there's like a bunch

1081
00:50:53,160 --> 00:50:53,960
Speaker 1: of cobras out here.

1082
00:50:54,200 --> 00:50:55,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you don't know where they come from, and

1083
00:50:56,040 --> 00:50:58,399
Speaker 2: you don't know how many there are. Yeah, so there's

1084
00:50:58,440 --> 00:50:59,080
Speaker 2: like three or four.

1085
00:50:59,280 --> 00:51:02,200
Speaker 1: I mean, it's it's I bet if that same thing

1086
00:51:02,360 --> 00:51:04,880
Speaker 1: happened in any city, it could happen in the country,

1087
00:51:04,920 --> 00:51:07,040
Speaker 1: it would be different because people are more spread out

1088
00:51:07,160 --> 00:51:09,920
Speaker 1: and the snakes would just kind of like disappear. But

1089
00:51:10,040 --> 00:51:13,040
Speaker 1: this happened in right in the middle of downtown Springfield,

1090
00:51:13,600 --> 00:51:15,799
Speaker 1: and there was an epicenter and all these snakes were

1091
00:51:15,880 --> 00:51:18,640
Speaker 1: like within just like a mile, you know, and so

1092
00:51:18,760 --> 00:51:22,440
Speaker 1: they had dispersed from somewhere, and I could see. I

1093
00:51:22,560 --> 00:51:26,319
Speaker 1: bet you'd have the same reaction today. Do you think

1094
00:51:27,040 --> 00:51:31,080
Speaker 1: probably people just going on lockdown, people getting crazy, people

1095
00:51:32,239 --> 00:51:34,640
Speaker 1: trying to do wild stuff, people leaving.

1096
00:51:35,120 --> 00:51:38,520
Speaker 5: I mean, I bet people coming, you know. I think

1097
00:51:38,560 --> 00:51:47,239
Speaker 5: there's people who Yeah, there'd be yeah, probably yeah.

1098
00:51:48,280 --> 00:51:55,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, what uhbing.

1099
00:51:55,600 --> 00:51:56,000
Speaker 2: Very hard?

1100
00:51:56,600 --> 00:51:59,960
Speaker 1: What stood out to you, Missy from a just whatever

1101
00:52:00,000 --> 00:52:04,480
Speaker 1: where you're interested in the snake cobras, the social aspects,

1102
00:52:04,680 --> 00:52:08,480
Speaker 1: the motherly aspects of women protecting their their children.

1103
00:52:08,680 --> 00:52:10,120
Speaker 6: Well, I mean, I don't think you heard a lot

1104
00:52:10,160 --> 00:52:11,280
Speaker 6: of that in the story.

1105
00:52:11,480 --> 00:52:12,279
Speaker 2: I think the.

1106
00:52:14,200 --> 00:52:17,840
Speaker 6: You know them getting it with a hoe. That's probably

1107
00:52:17,880 --> 00:52:18,360
Speaker 6: where my.

1108
00:52:19,360 --> 00:52:21,920
Speaker 2: Since apparently if you want to protect yourselves from snakes.

1109
00:52:23,400 --> 00:52:25,400
Speaker 3: I remember the first time I ever saw a snake,

1110
00:52:25,560 --> 00:52:27,480
Speaker 3: and it was my mom killing one with a hoe

1111
00:52:27,680 --> 00:52:31,160
Speaker 3: and I was a little bitty girl and she was hysterical,

1112
00:52:31,480 --> 00:52:33,320
Speaker 3: and I'm pretty sure it was like a garden steak.

1113
00:52:33,520 --> 00:52:35,719
Speaker 3: And that was the first time I ever saw one.

1114
00:52:35,840 --> 00:52:41,600
Speaker 3: And I imprinted, obviously as evidence today pretty hard. This

1115
00:52:41,800 --> 00:52:44,640
Speaker 3: is my mom is a pretty normal person. But they

1116
00:52:44,760 --> 00:52:45,520
Speaker 3: killed one with the hope.

1117
00:52:46,040 --> 00:52:46,960
Speaker 1: So what stood out to you?

1118
00:52:48,400 --> 00:52:51,880
Speaker 6: I thought my fav it was a fun podcast.

1119
00:52:51,920 --> 00:52:54,080
Speaker 3: I think the part where they were playing flutes in

1120
00:52:54,200 --> 00:52:58,160
Speaker 3: the streets, I think that was probably my favorite part.

1121
00:52:58,480 --> 00:53:00,680
Speaker 6: You know, we grew up in an area you always saw.

1122
00:53:01,040 --> 00:53:02,440
Speaker 6: You're right, the eighties were.

1123
00:53:02,760 --> 00:53:09,000
Speaker 2: The two scariest things in the eighties were cobras and

1124
00:53:09,120 --> 00:53:10,440
Speaker 2: quicksand yeah.

1125
00:53:10,840 --> 00:53:14,919
Speaker 3: Yeah, and yeah, and so I when they I would

1126
00:53:14,920 --> 00:53:17,440
Speaker 3: have known, that's not the kind of flute you play like.

1127
00:53:17,520 --> 00:53:19,440
Speaker 3: I would have known the flutes don't sound like that,

1128
00:53:19,640 --> 00:53:21,840
Speaker 3: that you've got to play them, because the picture I

1129
00:53:21,920 --> 00:53:23,160
Speaker 3: have in my head is like you get the high

1130
00:53:23,200 --> 00:53:25,920
Speaker 3: school band out there with flutes and they're on the

1131
00:53:26,239 --> 00:53:28,319
Speaker 3: on and they're blaring it with these loudspeakers. That's kind

1132
00:53:28,320 --> 00:53:30,600
Speaker 3: of how I envisioned it, but that that image was

1133
00:53:30,600 --> 00:53:34,319
Speaker 3: pretty funny to me. Men with pitchforks and players brow.

1134
00:53:34,400 --> 00:53:37,840
Speaker 1: Do you know much about Indian snake charmers, son was I.

1135
00:53:38,239 --> 00:53:40,640
Speaker 1: I did a you know, a little bit of research

1136
00:53:40,840 --> 00:53:44,600
Speaker 1: just trying to understand like what this means in their culture.

1137
00:53:45,040 --> 00:53:48,840
Speaker 1: And these guys are from my research, these guys that

1138
00:53:49,000 --> 00:53:51,080
Speaker 1: are snake charmers. So they're the guys that are putting

1139
00:53:51,120 --> 00:53:54,839
Speaker 1: these little little baskets of snakes, lifting the lid off,

1140
00:53:54,920 --> 00:53:58,360
Speaker 1: a big cobra jumps out there within striking distance and

1141
00:53:58,440 --> 00:54:01,439
Speaker 1: they're playing this flute moving while the snake is doing

1142
00:54:01,520 --> 00:54:05,239
Speaker 1: like this. If you watch them lots of videos, they

1143
00:54:05,280 --> 00:54:08,319
Speaker 1: get struck out all the time and they just kind

1144
00:54:08,360 --> 00:54:10,120
Speaker 1: of move out of the way or they slap.

1145
00:54:09,880 --> 00:54:13,680
Speaker 2: The snake and they to see them slap the.

1146
00:54:15,320 --> 00:54:18,960
Speaker 1: But also read that a lot of that is, uh,

1147
00:54:19,160 --> 00:54:23,680
Speaker 1: the snakes are not healthy snakes, like they're not feeding

1148
00:54:23,719 --> 00:54:27,680
Speaker 1: them and they're kind of weak. It maybe what's your

1149
00:54:27,920 --> 00:54:29,839
Speaker 1: what you're well, let me say what I was gonna say.

1150
00:54:30,160 --> 00:54:33,879
Speaker 1: They're Culturally they're known as healers and magicians, so they're

1151
00:54:33,960 --> 00:54:36,120
Speaker 1: kind of like these special people like, oh, you're a

1152
00:54:36,200 --> 00:54:38,880
Speaker 1: snake charmer, well can you can you help me? You

1153
00:54:39,080 --> 00:54:42,680
Speaker 1: clearly have this power. What do you know about snake charmers?

1154
00:54:42,880 --> 00:54:45,759
Speaker 4: Basically that, yeah, it's just all tied to kind of

1155
00:54:46,239 --> 00:54:48,960
Speaker 4: ancient medicine and healing and that kind of thing. And

1156
00:54:49,120 --> 00:54:51,640
Speaker 4: you know, they the snake is qing in on the

1157
00:54:51,680 --> 00:54:53,920
Speaker 4: movement of the flute and the you know.

1158
00:54:54,080 --> 00:54:55,839
Speaker 1: I don't understand why they don't get a bit though.

1159
00:54:55,840 --> 00:54:57,640
Speaker 1: I still don't understandin.

1160
00:54:57,080 --> 00:55:01,000
Speaker 4: That cobra basically construct straight down, so he's not like

1161
00:55:01,120 --> 00:55:03,279
Speaker 4: a like you wouldn't do that with a rattlesnake, right,

1162
00:55:03,680 --> 00:55:06,640
Speaker 4: would get it would bite you. But cobras are pretty

1163
00:55:06,680 --> 00:55:09,319
Speaker 4: predictable in the way they react, and that's why they

1164
00:55:09,400 --> 00:55:11,520
Speaker 4: slap them on the head and stuff because they know.

1165
00:55:12,520 --> 00:55:15,680
Speaker 4: But you know, it's it's dangerous for sure. But can

1166
00:55:15,719 --> 00:55:18,359
Speaker 4: you take the things out of a snake? Yeah, there are,

1167
00:55:18,520 --> 00:55:22,280
Speaker 4: but they'll grow back. Yes, sometimes there are venomoid animals,

1168
00:55:22,320 --> 00:55:23,239
Speaker 4: but they don't really do well.

1169
00:55:23,640 --> 00:55:24,400
Speaker 2: I mean some people do.

1170
00:55:24,560 --> 00:55:28,440
Speaker 4: That interesting little anecdote you're talking about, You know, when

1171
00:55:28,480 --> 00:55:31,160
Speaker 4: did cobras pop up and back then do people know

1172
00:55:31,200 --> 00:55:33,520
Speaker 4: about cobras? So back in the thirties, there was a

1173
00:55:33,560 --> 00:55:37,040
Speaker 4: guy named Ross Allen from Florida, another famous snake guy,

1174
00:55:37,440 --> 00:55:39,880
Speaker 4: and he did a lot of the stunt work in Tarzan,

1175
00:55:40,400 --> 00:55:44,200
Speaker 4: the old Tarzan cereal, and they would literally take like

1176
00:55:44,360 --> 00:55:47,200
Speaker 4: Eastern diamondbacks or cotton mouths and like milk them, yeah,

1177
00:55:47,360 --> 00:55:50,160
Speaker 4: and cobras and stuff as much as they thought they could,

1178
00:55:50,280 --> 00:55:53,279
Speaker 4: and then it would literally bite him on screen. Oh

1179
00:55:53,440 --> 00:55:56,479
Speaker 4: my god, like they just drained the venom and say

1180
00:55:57,200 --> 00:55:59,719
Speaker 4: you'll be fine, We've got to shoot this right now. Yeah,

1181
00:56:00,040 --> 00:56:02,799
Speaker 4: because the snake's on endy so wow. Yeah, they would

1182
00:56:02,920 --> 00:56:05,160
Speaker 4: already do that. So and I thought about that, thought, yeah,

1183
00:56:05,480 --> 00:56:08,160
Speaker 4: cobra's I mean books and stuff. Probably people were aware

1184
00:56:08,160 --> 00:56:10,480
Speaker 4: of cobras, but that would have been a pretty shocking thing.

1185
00:56:11,280 --> 00:56:14,160
Speaker 4: You know, you're single in Springfield, Missouri. Yeah.

1186
00:56:14,400 --> 00:56:18,880
Speaker 2: Did it work? Yeah? Yeah, he he did a lot

1187
00:56:18,920 --> 00:56:20,920
Speaker 2: of movies, a lot of TVs. He made it.

1188
00:56:21,160 --> 00:56:24,200
Speaker 4: Yeah, But that was that's taken your job to a

1189
00:56:24,239 --> 00:56:24,839
Speaker 4: whole new level.

1190
00:56:25,080 --> 00:56:25,800
Speaker 2: Did so?

1191
00:56:26,040 --> 00:56:28,480
Speaker 1: I like on the render to comment on some of

1192
00:56:28,600 --> 00:56:32,360
Speaker 1: the some of some of the things that that was

1193
00:56:32,400 --> 00:56:36,279
Speaker 1: said on the on the deal, I thought bringing the

1194
00:56:36,560 --> 00:56:39,000
Speaker 1: cultural image back to something that we could relate to

1195
00:56:39,680 --> 00:56:43,600
Speaker 1: that was helpful for me, like to understand Indian snake

1196
00:56:43,680 --> 00:56:48,200
Speaker 1: charmers and saying that would be like if what if

1197
00:56:48,280 --> 00:56:50,840
Speaker 1: Brent Reeves had a had a big timber rattler and

1198
00:56:50,880 --> 00:56:53,399
Speaker 1: a bucket, which would be different What you just did

1199
00:56:53,640 --> 00:56:57,000
Speaker 1: was is more impressive. But imagine, imagine.

1200
00:56:56,840 --> 00:56:58,040
Speaker 6: He's basically a snake driver.

1201
00:56:58,640 --> 00:57:00,919
Speaker 1: Yeah, but but but what if?

1202
00:57:01,080 --> 00:57:01,440
Speaker 2: What if?

1203
00:57:01,840 --> 00:57:05,000
Speaker 1: What if there was like that tradition here where you

1204
00:57:05,120 --> 00:57:07,120
Speaker 1: had I mean, there's a you can see how those

1205
00:57:07,200 --> 00:57:10,360
Speaker 1: guys it's a powerful cultural image. When we see it,

1206
00:57:10,440 --> 00:57:15,680
Speaker 1: it seems exotic, far off, not understandable, not approachable, not touchable.

1207
00:57:15,960 --> 00:57:18,240
Speaker 1: But like what if our little kids grew up and

1208
00:57:18,320 --> 00:57:20,600
Speaker 1: they were like, one day, I'm gonna be a cobra

1209
00:57:20,680 --> 00:57:23,400
Speaker 1: snake charmer. Or like me trying to tell Bear, you

1210
00:57:23,400 --> 00:57:25,760
Speaker 1: should you should really look into this, you should be

1211
00:57:25,800 --> 00:57:28,880
Speaker 1: a snake d you know what I mean? Like, I

1212
00:57:29,000 --> 00:57:31,520
Speaker 1: was just trying to find a way to like make

1213
00:57:31,560 --> 00:57:35,160
Speaker 1: it connectable because and obviously we don't have anything like that.

1214
00:57:35,480 --> 00:57:38,000
Speaker 4: Well I think we do, Okay, have you ever seen

1215
00:57:38,040 --> 00:57:40,480
Speaker 4: the snake handling churches up in that place? Well I

1216
00:57:40,600 --> 00:57:44,400
Speaker 4: mentioned that, I mean that's straight up, you know. Yeah,

1217
00:57:44,720 --> 00:57:46,640
Speaker 4: I mean that's his faith strong.

1218
00:57:46,960 --> 00:57:48,280
Speaker 1: Is that much? Is that still going on?

1219
00:57:48,600 --> 00:57:51,720
Speaker 2: Yeah? Not near as much, but they're still. It's funny.

1220
00:57:51,920 --> 00:57:53,680
Speaker 2: I liked a Facebook page of a church.

1221
00:57:53,680 --> 00:57:55,720
Speaker 4: I can't remember of it, but I followed it and

1222
00:57:55,800 --> 00:57:59,840
Speaker 4: they post videos of their service and about every six months,

1223
00:58:00,000 --> 00:58:02,160
Speaker 4: I'll have a snake little snake handle.

1224
00:58:03,480 --> 00:58:05,040
Speaker 2: Gnawing my fingernails off watching it.

1225
00:58:05,160 --> 00:58:08,919
Speaker 4: But and this guy's dad and his dad both died

1226
00:58:08,960 --> 00:58:11,720
Speaker 4: from snake back really and he said on there, it's

1227
00:58:11,840 --> 00:58:14,480
Speaker 4: it's very interesting their faith genuine?

1228
00:58:14,520 --> 00:58:19,160
Speaker 1: Do you think they are? Because well, but what I'm

1229
00:58:19,200 --> 00:58:21,720
Speaker 1: saying is that sometimes I've seen it and it feels

1230
00:58:21,800 --> 00:58:23,320
Speaker 1: and I mean, and I'm a I'm a I'm a

1231
00:58:23,480 --> 00:58:25,920
Speaker 1: I'm a church going man. So like I could respect

1232
00:58:26,000 --> 00:58:28,320
Speaker 1: somebody doing something that they actually had faith in. And

1233
00:58:28,360 --> 00:58:31,440
Speaker 1: I'm not suggesting I'm not into handling snakes, but like

1234
00:58:31,560 --> 00:58:34,040
Speaker 1: I could see someone doing it and it like actually

1235
00:58:34,440 --> 00:58:39,600
Speaker 1: meaning something to them. Yeah, I mean because because me

1236
00:58:39,680 --> 00:58:43,360
Speaker 1: and Brad could and Bear could go probably pick up

1237
00:58:43,360 --> 00:58:47,439
Speaker 1: a rattlesnake in a church and it it wouldn't really

1238
00:58:47,560 --> 00:58:50,640
Speaker 1: have any Like I don't know how your read was

1239
00:58:50,680 --> 00:58:51,320
Speaker 1: these guys.

1240
00:58:52,840 --> 00:58:55,920
Speaker 4: Yeah, there was a documentary about this. One preacher's how

1241
00:58:55,920 --> 00:58:58,840
Speaker 4: I discovered this whole church, and uh, this guy talked

1242
00:58:58,840 --> 00:59:00,120
Speaker 4: to him and he talked about and he said, hey,

1243
00:59:00,160 --> 00:59:01,480
Speaker 4: it's not for me. And he said, I don't do

1244
00:59:01,560 --> 00:59:03,560
Speaker 4: it unless the Lord caused me to do it. And

1245
00:59:03,640 --> 00:59:06,640
Speaker 4: he said, I know the consequences, and you know he's

1246
00:59:06,680 --> 00:59:08,520
Speaker 4: doing He's the Lord is telling me to do this

1247
00:59:08,600 --> 00:59:11,480
Speaker 4: for a reason, to you know, bring somebody's faith. Guine

1248
00:59:11,680 --> 00:59:13,920
Speaker 4: very genuine to the point, and I'm like, man, I

1249
00:59:13,960 --> 00:59:15,520
Speaker 4: wish my faith was that strong.

1250
00:59:16,040 --> 00:59:19,560
Speaker 2: Because I saw you pick up well yeah, but you know,

1251
00:59:20,040 --> 00:59:23,280
Speaker 2: watching pick Up the Snake, it was just very like

1252
00:59:23,640 --> 00:59:25,800
Speaker 2: there was like a grace to like you just it was.

1253
00:59:26,000 --> 00:59:30,040
Speaker 1: It's just not that big. Yeah, yeah, interesting Bart. What

1254
00:59:30,120 --> 00:59:31,720
Speaker 1: stood out to you about the podcast? What was your

1255
00:59:31,760 --> 00:59:35,560
Speaker 1: favorite part? Well, well, first I've got a question. Did

1256
00:59:35,680 --> 00:59:41,200
Speaker 1: you get why he had twelve of them? Like why

1257
00:59:41,240 --> 00:59:43,240
Speaker 1: didn't he just have like two or three, Like it

1258
00:59:43,320 --> 00:59:44,840
Speaker 1: doesn't make any sense to have a hole?

1259
00:59:45,000 --> 00:59:46,680
Speaker 2: Maybe they were only sold by the dozens.

1260
00:59:46,800 --> 00:59:50,200
Speaker 4: Well probably you can't break a discount, you by, but

1261
00:59:50,440 --> 00:59:53,840
Speaker 4: you know, back then there wasn't much in in husbandry.

1262
00:59:54,160 --> 00:59:55,640
Speaker 4: They didn't have to take care of them, so they

1263
00:59:55,680 --> 00:59:57,720
Speaker 4: were likely going to get twelve and one or two

1264
00:59:57,800 --> 00:59:59,320
Speaker 4: is going to live the rest in bringing back because

1265
00:59:59,320 --> 01:00:02,000
Speaker 4: they didn't feed because they were kept in abysmal conditions.

1266
01:00:02,200 --> 01:00:05,840
Speaker 1: Okay, mister Fred may have some insight into this because

1267
01:00:05,920 --> 01:00:09,880
Speaker 1: when he mentioned that he ordered twenty five king cobras

1268
01:00:09,880 --> 01:00:14,680
Speaker 1: from Bangladesh and he didn't want twenty five. He wanted

1269
01:00:14,720 --> 01:00:19,000
Speaker 1: twelve for his snake, so he knew he wouldn't get twelve,

1270
01:00:19,760 --> 01:00:23,680
Speaker 1: and he actually only got three. He ordered twenty five

1271
01:00:23,760 --> 01:00:25,960
Speaker 1: and got three, and they shipped him to New Orleans

1272
01:00:26,280 --> 01:00:28,360
Speaker 1: and he went down to New Orleans. He tells a

1273
01:00:28,400 --> 01:00:30,480
Speaker 1: great story. He went to New Orleans, picked up like

1274
01:00:31,840 --> 01:00:36,600
Speaker 1: huge king kobras, like fifteen footers, and they were the

1275
01:00:36,720 --> 01:00:40,840
Speaker 1: customs the customs people. This is so long ago, I mean,

1276
01:00:40,880 --> 01:00:44,200
Speaker 1: you know, probably like the seventies or something. Maybe it

1277
01:00:44,280 --> 01:00:47,840
Speaker 1: was maybe it was later than that. The customs people said,

1278
01:00:48,120 --> 01:00:50,080
Speaker 1: we got to see these snakes. And he was like,

1279
01:00:51,000 --> 01:00:52,360
Speaker 1: really you want to see them?

1280
01:00:52,520 --> 01:00:52,960
Speaker 2: And they were.

1281
01:00:53,080 --> 01:00:55,760
Speaker 1: They demanded to see him and he and they're like

1282
01:00:55,880 --> 01:00:57,560
Speaker 1: in like an office and he's like, you want me

1283
01:00:57,600 --> 01:01:01,360
Speaker 1: to turn the snake loose? Here They thought he suspected

1284
01:01:01,480 --> 01:01:03,880
Speaker 1: that they thought there was there was drugs in there

1285
01:01:05,400 --> 01:01:07,280
Speaker 1: and that they were smuggling drug It was a cover

1286
01:01:07,440 --> 01:01:09,320
Speaker 1: of smuggle drugs. And so they were like, we want

1287
01:01:09,360 --> 01:01:11,880
Speaker 1: to see the snake, and he just was like are

1288
01:01:11,960 --> 01:01:12,360
Speaker 1: you sure?

1289
01:01:12,880 --> 01:01:13,479
Speaker 2: Are you sure?

1290
01:01:13,760 --> 01:01:16,280
Speaker 1: You want me to put this snake right here? And

1291
01:01:16,400 --> 01:01:19,040
Speaker 1: they're just like yep. And so he does. He pulls

1292
01:01:19,080 --> 01:01:21,280
Speaker 1: out a fifteen foot king kobra and just plops it

1293
01:01:21,360 --> 01:01:26,120
Speaker 1: in the ground. Oh my, and he it was and anyway,

1294
01:01:26,440 --> 01:01:29,840
Speaker 1: the room just like scatters and he gathers the snake

1295
01:01:29,920 --> 01:01:31,800
Speaker 1: back up and gets it in, gets it back and

1296
01:01:32,480 --> 01:01:34,160
Speaker 1: he was like, okay, sir, you're good to go.

1297
01:01:35,280 --> 01:01:35,560
Speaker 2: Wow.

1298
01:01:43,080 --> 01:01:45,280
Speaker 4: So I've got a friend that's I think he's eighty

1299
01:01:45,320 --> 01:01:47,720
Speaker 4: two now and he grew up in that era and

1300
01:01:48,520 --> 01:01:50,480
Speaker 4: he lived up into Ohio and he worked at a

1301
01:01:50,600 --> 01:01:53,520
Speaker 4: zoo and I think what he said he did. He

1302
01:01:53,840 --> 01:01:56,480
Speaker 4: went in and started looking at their bills of ladings

1303
01:01:56,520 --> 01:01:58,920
Speaker 4: and shipments and stuff they've gotten, and got the names

1304
01:01:59,000 --> 01:02:02,040
Speaker 4: of people in Africa and India and he started writing

1305
01:02:02,080 --> 01:02:04,600
Speaker 4: them as like a twelve year old kid and was like,

1306
01:02:04,880 --> 01:02:07,520
Speaker 4: I will provide you with you know, X amount of

1307
01:02:07,560 --> 01:02:09,600
Speaker 4: black rat snakes and garter snakes in this net and

1308
01:02:09,640 --> 01:02:11,640
Speaker 4: you please send me. And he said he would get

1309
01:02:11,680 --> 01:02:15,080
Speaker 4: in these boxes marked venomous snakes and he would open

1310
01:02:15,120 --> 01:02:17,160
Speaker 4: it up and there'd be like fifteen different snakes and

1311
01:02:17,240 --> 01:02:19,560
Speaker 4: bags and he didn't know what they were. And I

1312
01:02:19,600 --> 01:02:21,520
Speaker 4: mean as a child, and he would go get books

1313
01:02:21,560 --> 01:02:24,280
Speaker 4: and figure out, Okay, this is bothers Asper and this

1314
01:02:24,440 --> 01:02:27,920
Speaker 4: is you know not Na And yeah, I'm like, are

1315
01:02:28,000 --> 01:02:30,160
Speaker 4: you kidding? But yeah, apparently back then it was pretty

1316
01:02:30,240 --> 01:02:35,400
Speaker 4: much but he said he, yeah, he had some crazy

1317
01:02:35,440 --> 01:02:37,600
Speaker 4: stuff back in probably in the late fifties when he

1318
01:02:37,640 --> 01:02:38,160
Speaker 4: was a kid.

1319
01:02:38,360 --> 01:02:39,480
Speaker 1: So anything could go.

1320
01:02:39,840 --> 01:02:40,040
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1321
01:02:40,240 --> 01:02:44,400
Speaker 1: I made the statement that some people believe the king

1322
01:02:44,480 --> 01:02:47,479
Speaker 1: Kobra to be the most venomous snake in the world.

1323
01:02:48,040 --> 01:02:52,520
Speaker 1: My doctor Chris Jenkins of the Snake Talk podcast. He actually,

1324
01:02:54,040 --> 01:02:56,800
Speaker 1: I had to put it that simply like some people

1325
01:02:56,920 --> 01:03:01,160
Speaker 1: think it. Uh, he didn't. He said the Kingcobra actually

1326
01:03:02,120 --> 01:03:06,400
Speaker 1: might not even make its top three most deadly how accurate.

1327
01:03:06,480 --> 01:03:09,320
Speaker 1: Fact checked me on my state. Yeah, you don't. So

1328
01:03:09,440 --> 01:03:12,200
Speaker 1: when you heard me say that, you were like, Brito's done.

1329
01:03:12,920 --> 01:03:14,840
Speaker 1: You were like, they miss that.

1330
01:03:15,600 --> 01:03:18,320
Speaker 4: No, I mean, but King Kobra's they are they're large.

1331
01:03:20,080 --> 01:03:21,920
Speaker 4: You're talking about a big snake that can deliver a

1332
01:03:21,960 --> 01:03:24,280
Speaker 4: lot of venom. That's what makes it so dangerous. But

1333
01:03:24,440 --> 01:03:26,400
Speaker 4: as far as like on a program basis, it's not

1334
01:03:26,920 --> 01:03:32,480
Speaker 4: not what is a lot of the taype hands in Australia. Australia,

1335
01:03:32,560 --> 01:03:34,800
Speaker 4: like eighty percent of their snakes are deadly, Like, they

1336
01:03:34,840 --> 01:03:36,120
Speaker 4: don't have many harmless snakes there.

1337
01:03:36,160 --> 01:03:36,920
Speaker 1: They don't mess around.

1338
01:03:37,040 --> 01:03:39,360
Speaker 4: And yeah, and a lot of those venoms are a

1339
01:03:39,400 --> 01:03:41,880
Speaker 4: lot more toxic. And like the inland taype hand I

1340
01:03:41,960 --> 01:03:45,080
Speaker 4: think has the highest LD fifty. They call it an

1341
01:03:45,200 --> 01:03:48,760
Speaker 4: LD fifty score. And uh, but that one and then

1342
01:03:49,000 --> 01:03:51,680
Speaker 4: like say, the one that kills probably more people worldwide

1343
01:03:52,160 --> 01:03:55,440
Speaker 4: is called a saw skilled viper and it lives in

1344
01:03:55,520 --> 01:03:59,120
Speaker 4: the Middle East basically. And in fact, I can't remember

1345
01:03:59,120 --> 01:04:03,080
Speaker 4: the Bible verse about the sizzling snakes in I don't

1346
01:04:03,080 --> 01:04:05,040
Speaker 4: know it's in the Old Testament, but I think that's

1347
01:04:05,080 --> 01:04:07,680
Speaker 4: what they're referring to, because these snakes, when they get agitated,

1348
01:04:07,720 --> 01:04:10,560
Speaker 4: they'll roll their scales against theirselves and it makes like

1349
01:04:10,640 --> 01:04:13,680
Speaker 4: a sort of like a rattling or sizzling sound. But

1350
01:04:14,280 --> 01:04:16,360
Speaker 4: and the reason is they have very toxic venom. They're

1351
01:04:16,440 --> 01:04:19,080
Speaker 4: very common in where they occur as people are barefoot

1352
01:04:19,120 --> 01:04:21,360
Speaker 4: and there's not much medical care, so there's a lot

1353
01:04:21,400 --> 01:04:24,480
Speaker 4: of factors. But yeah, king cobras, that's just like, you know.

1354
01:04:24,960 --> 01:04:25,200
Speaker 2: Not that.

1355
01:04:27,640 --> 01:04:29,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, now it was the king cobra more venomous than

1356
01:04:29,800 --> 01:04:30,640
Speaker 1: these rattle snakes.

1357
01:04:31,720 --> 01:04:36,120
Speaker 4: Yeah, probably, okay, just because the Neuve toxic components there.

1358
01:04:36,240 --> 01:04:39,600
Speaker 1: So when I have my king cobra, yeah, and my rattlers,

1359
01:04:40,120 --> 01:04:41,360
Speaker 1: watch out for the king cobra.

1360
01:04:41,560 --> 01:04:44,120
Speaker 4: Yeah, I would yeah say that you didn't.

1361
01:04:44,160 --> 01:04:46,360
Speaker 1: I didn't let you finish what what what stood out

1362
01:04:46,360 --> 01:04:48,080
Speaker 1: to you most well? I thought that it was interesting

1363
01:04:48,200 --> 01:04:52,920
Speaker 1: that like people would have had no context for what

1364
01:04:53,080 --> 01:04:56,480
Speaker 1: a cobra was like that that would have never occurred

1365
01:04:56,520 --> 01:04:58,240
Speaker 1: to me. You didn't grow up in the eighties, so

1366
01:04:58,320 --> 01:05:00,280
Speaker 1: I don't think you really have a contact for what

1367
01:05:00,360 --> 01:05:03,479
Speaker 1: a cobra is. Well, I mean I've seen strike first

1368
01:05:03,520 --> 01:05:05,160
Speaker 1: strike Guard no mercy, sir.

1369
01:05:06,360 --> 01:05:08,880
Speaker 6: He's been raised, right, you know, he saw the right movies.

1370
01:05:10,120 --> 01:05:12,520
Speaker 1: It just seems like you just see cobras like that's

1371
01:05:12,640 --> 01:05:14,600
Speaker 1: just like a school man. I just know it, like

1372
01:05:14,720 --> 01:05:18,360
Speaker 1: it's not something you'd even think about. And yeah, so

1373
01:05:18,680 --> 01:05:22,000
Speaker 1: whenever like they were, you know, pulling out the flutes

1374
01:05:22,040 --> 01:05:24,800
Speaker 1: and stuff, and I guess you kind of explained how

1375
01:05:24,840 --> 01:05:27,560
Speaker 1: they weren't necessarily totally serious about that. But it just

1376
01:05:27,640 --> 01:05:29,560
Speaker 1: never would have occurred to me that they wouldn't have

1377
01:05:29,680 --> 01:05:33,160
Speaker 1: had any idea that just because they don't have like

1378
01:05:33,280 --> 01:05:36,000
Speaker 1: the exposure to it, they would have been looking and

1379
01:05:36,200 --> 01:05:41,080
Speaker 1: like encyclopedias to learn about cobra. Absolutely, I mean yeah, yeah,

1380
01:05:41,160 --> 01:05:44,640
Speaker 1: there's no Google, there's no YouTube. Yeah, and they wouldn't

1381
01:05:44,640 --> 01:05:49,280
Speaker 1: have seen it on movies and stuff growing up. Yeah, Yeah,

1382
01:05:50,760 --> 01:05:51,840
Speaker 1: josh Wa stood out to you.

1383
01:05:55,160 --> 01:06:01,120
Speaker 2: The whole thing was pretty interesting. But uh, I think

1384
01:06:01,200 --> 01:06:07,600
Speaker 2: it's interesting how the that isolated situation, I mean it went,

1385
01:06:07,720 --> 01:06:09,720
Speaker 2: it lasted over the period of like six weeks, yep.

1386
01:06:11,000 --> 01:06:14,360
Speaker 2: How much it imprinted on the identity of Springfield.

1387
01:06:14,520 --> 01:06:15,040
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean the.

1388
01:06:15,080 --> 01:06:17,800
Speaker 2: Fact that they went and put it on the seal,

1389
01:06:18,320 --> 01:06:21,320
Speaker 2: they had the cobra haircut, I mean, all these things,

1390
01:06:21,400 --> 01:06:24,840
Speaker 2: like it was sensational at the time, and I mean

1391
01:06:24,960 --> 01:06:28,280
Speaker 2: rightly so. But just the fact that to this day,

1392
01:06:29,200 --> 01:06:31,720
Speaker 2: what are we sixty years later, there's still a cobra

1393
01:06:31,840 --> 01:06:35,360
Speaker 2: on the seal seventy one seventy one years, Yeah, there's

1394
01:06:35,400 --> 01:06:37,640
Speaker 2: still a cobra on the seal. I love it. I

1395
01:06:37,720 --> 01:06:41,080
Speaker 2: mean I love that A simple thing like that can

1396
01:06:41,240 --> 01:06:43,440
Speaker 2: change the destiny of a place.

1397
01:06:43,800 --> 01:06:46,320
Speaker 1: I thought Kyle Jeffers did a great job of explaining

1398
01:06:46,440 --> 01:06:51,040
Speaker 1: why little quirky regional things bring a lot of identity.

1399
01:06:51,360 --> 01:06:53,760
Speaker 1: And the guy from the brewery, he was like, he

1400
01:06:53,920 --> 01:06:56,640
Speaker 1: was like, yeah, every little town's got something weird that

1401
01:06:56,800 --> 01:06:59,920
Speaker 1: happened yep, and this was our little weird thing, you know.

1402
01:07:01,040 --> 01:07:03,400
Speaker 1: So I thought he did a good job of telling

1403
01:07:03,520 --> 01:07:07,720
Speaker 1: that kind of stuff. I'll tell you, I'll tell you

1404
01:07:08,560 --> 01:07:13,320
Speaker 1: this is this is behind the veil. I don't fully

1405
01:07:13,480 --> 01:07:15,880
Speaker 1: buy Carl Barnett's confession.

1406
01:07:16,640 --> 01:07:20,840
Speaker 2: Really, yeah, that was my favorite part.

1407
01:07:24,800 --> 01:07:29,800
Speaker 1: Okay, So so there's a there's a more extended version

1408
01:07:29,920 --> 01:07:34,760
Speaker 1: of the confession and they actually ask him if he

1409
01:07:35,360 --> 01:07:38,080
Speaker 1: had any regrets and if he wished he hadn't done it,

1410
01:07:38,600 --> 01:07:41,880
Speaker 1: and he kind of gets defensive and he they were like,

1411
01:07:42,000 --> 01:07:43,720
Speaker 1: would you would you do it different if you could

1412
01:07:43,720 --> 01:07:45,600
Speaker 1: do it again, and he was like, well.

1413
01:07:45,560 --> 01:07:46,920
Speaker 2: No, no, that's sucker cheated.

1414
01:07:48,880 --> 01:07:52,800
Speaker 1: And there's just something. So it's a it's a YouTube video.

1415
01:07:52,920 --> 01:07:55,600
Speaker 1: You can look it up, the Cobra Scare. Maybe we'll

1416
01:07:55,600 --> 01:07:57,800
Speaker 1: put it in the in the in the in the link,

1417
01:07:57,840 --> 01:08:00,760
Speaker 1: in the in the in the description, but you can

1418
01:08:00,880 --> 01:08:05,520
Speaker 1: watch him tell the story, and I just think, I

1419
01:08:05,600 --> 01:08:08,240
Speaker 1: don't know when I when I was watching him, I

1420
01:08:08,400 --> 01:08:10,920
Speaker 1: just was kind of like, did you really do that? Carl?

1421
01:08:12,000 --> 01:08:15,640
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't want to cast skepticism on we

1422
01:08:16,080 --> 01:08:22,639
Speaker 1: need idyll As. I understand it. Carl is no longer

1423
01:08:22,720 --> 01:08:28,080
Speaker 1: with us, So it was pretty back in ninety two

1424
01:08:28,160 --> 01:08:28,360
Speaker 1: he was.

1425
01:08:28,600 --> 01:08:31,599
Speaker 2: I mean, he was, yeah, what's the counterfactual play?

1426
01:08:31,760 --> 01:08:33,519
Speaker 3: Like if you if you say something like that, there

1427
01:08:33,560 --> 01:08:36,080
Speaker 3: has to be another theory for what happened.

1428
01:08:36,400 --> 01:08:41,000
Speaker 1: I just think, no, I'm not saying, I'm just saying

1429
01:08:41,160 --> 01:08:46,160
Speaker 1: I'm slightly skeptical that that he actually did it just

1430
01:08:46,240 --> 01:08:49,800
Speaker 1: from reading just reading his eyes, I'm just like that

1431
01:08:49,920 --> 01:08:50,680
Speaker 1: God lied to you.

1432
01:08:51,439 --> 01:08:53,920
Speaker 6: Whoa he has grandkids.

1433
01:08:55,640 --> 01:08:56,280
Speaker 1: I have no.

1434
01:08:58,640 --> 01:08:59,120
Speaker 2: Evidence.

1435
01:09:00,040 --> 01:09:01,920
Speaker 1: Oh no, no, no, no. All I did was watching

1436
01:09:01,920 --> 01:09:05,760
Speaker 1: a YouTube video video. I just I just wondered if

1437
01:09:05,760 --> 01:09:07,280
Speaker 1: anybody else got that vibe.

1438
01:09:07,520 --> 01:09:07,880
Speaker 2: I did not.

1439
01:09:08,280 --> 01:09:09,360
Speaker 4: Okay, he was very sincere.

1440
01:09:09,479 --> 01:09:13,080
Speaker 2: I was like this, guys, I watched the extended one too,

1441
01:09:13,160 --> 01:09:14,479
Speaker 2: and I think you're you.

1442
01:09:15,720 --> 01:09:19,599
Speaker 3: I think the defensiveness is actually makes it sound more factual,

1443
01:09:19,800 --> 01:09:20,879
Speaker 3: more more truthful.

1444
01:09:21,040 --> 01:09:21,280
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1445
01:09:21,560 --> 01:09:23,280
Speaker 4: Well, the fact that he lived with it for thirty

1446
01:09:23,400 --> 01:09:24,639
Speaker 4: years before telling someone.

1447
01:09:24,760 --> 01:09:26,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean we'll see.

1448
01:09:26,280 --> 01:09:30,040
Speaker 1: That's part. That's part of it though, if you like,

1449
01:09:30,240 --> 01:09:33,000
Speaker 1: no one could dispute him. Yeah, do you understand. I

1450
01:09:33,080 --> 01:09:35,360
Speaker 1: mean it's like there's nobody that's gonna go, well you

1451
01:09:35,520 --> 01:09:39,400
Speaker 1: wait for you were at Yeah, yeah, reil Meyer couldn't

1452
01:09:39,400 --> 01:09:41,040
Speaker 1: have gone. I don't even know this guy, Like I

1453
01:09:41,120 --> 01:09:45,080
Speaker 1: didn't trade fish, Like, it's all so deep in the past.

1454
01:09:45,680 --> 01:09:48,120
Speaker 1: That was it too, it there and there were no

1455
01:09:48,280 --> 01:09:52,439
Speaker 1: other there were no other stories. But but what would

1456
01:09:52,479 --> 01:09:55,000
Speaker 1: his motivation be? That that's another one. If we're in

1457
01:09:55,040 --> 01:09:56,679
Speaker 1: the court of law, I'd be like, well, why would

1458
01:09:56,720 --> 01:09:59,760
Speaker 1: you lie? He has no reason to lie, which I

1459
01:10:00,040 --> 01:10:04,160
Speaker 1: at that other than just maybe just a little uh publicity.

1460
01:10:04,320 --> 01:10:06,519
Speaker 6: What else do you think would have could have happened?

1461
01:10:06,800 --> 01:10:08,680
Speaker 1: I mean, the snakes just got out of rail my

1462
01:10:08,760 --> 01:10:12,360
Speaker 1: ours pet shop, you know, I mean, they just got loose.

1463
01:10:13,320 --> 01:10:20,439
Speaker 4: Maybe you sound like a colorful guy, Yeah, yeah, like

1464
01:10:20,560 --> 01:10:21,160
Speaker 4: my kind of guy.

1465
01:10:23,960 --> 01:10:24,080
Speaker 2: Uh.

1466
01:10:25,120 --> 01:10:27,400
Speaker 1: Well, it was it was a fun It was a

1467
01:10:27,479 --> 01:10:28,240
Speaker 1: fun podcast.

1468
01:10:29,400 --> 01:10:30,639
Speaker 2: I want to hear about bears turkey.

1469
01:10:31,360 --> 01:10:37,120
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, give us the give us the version, the

1470
01:10:37,240 --> 01:10:41,360
Speaker 1: condensed version of your turkey hunt. Okay, well pretty much.

1471
01:10:41,439 --> 01:10:45,479
Speaker 1: I I hunted from opening day till Thursday and had

1472
01:10:45,479 --> 01:10:48,320
Speaker 1: a couple of really good opportunities on turkeys, and I

1473
01:10:48,680 --> 01:10:50,240
Speaker 1: kind of had an idea of what When.

1474
01:10:50,160 --> 01:10:53,640
Speaker 2: He says he hunted those days, he literally left and

1475
01:10:53,800 --> 01:10:56,200
Speaker 2: didn't come home. Well, he spent the night. I spent

1476
01:10:56,240 --> 01:10:56,800
Speaker 2: the night out there.

1477
01:10:56,920 --> 01:10:57,120
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1478
01:10:57,240 --> 01:10:57,840
Speaker 2: I had to keep.

1479
01:11:00,160 --> 01:11:02,439
Speaker 3: A big senior presentation that he had to do at school.

1480
01:11:02,720 --> 01:11:05,880
Speaker 3: And he shows up at our house and is like, Mom,

1481
01:11:06,280 --> 01:11:07,240
Speaker 3: do you know where the shirt is?

1482
01:11:07,280 --> 01:11:07,560
Speaker 2: Do you know what?

1483
01:11:07,800 --> 01:11:12,360
Speaker 6: And it's coming in from the woods and went straightway.

1484
01:11:12,439 --> 01:11:17,000
Speaker 1: I came early enough. But anyway, I over the four days,

1485
01:11:17,000 --> 01:11:19,760
Speaker 1: I kind of developed an idea of what they were doing.

1486
01:11:19,760 --> 01:11:22,040
Speaker 2: It was, well, and you were you were sleeping in

1487
01:11:22,120 --> 01:11:23,640
Speaker 2: your truck at your spot, right.

1488
01:11:23,720 --> 01:11:25,759
Speaker 1: Yeah. He would leave the house at like ten o'clock

1489
01:11:25,800 --> 01:11:28,960
Speaker 1: at night to go get his spot yep, and sleep

1490
01:11:29,040 --> 01:11:31,960
Speaker 1: in his truck. And then you know, he had a

1491
01:11:32,000 --> 01:11:34,920
Speaker 1: couple of guys pull in before daylight. He could stumble out,

1492
01:11:35,000 --> 01:11:37,840
Speaker 1: you know, and his underwear and be like, I'm darky

1493
01:11:37,920 --> 01:11:41,720
Speaker 1: on there. Pretty much. But uh yeah, So I kind

1494
01:11:41,720 --> 01:11:43,040
Speaker 1: of had an idea of what they were doing. And

1495
01:11:43,120 --> 01:11:45,240
Speaker 1: there was one particular turkey, the first one that I

1496
01:11:45,320 --> 01:11:48,400
Speaker 1: heard on opening day, and uh, I could I knew

1497
01:11:48,400 --> 01:11:51,000
Speaker 1: where he was roosting. But I couldn't really get in

1498
01:11:51,720 --> 01:11:54,640
Speaker 1: close on him every morning, but I heard him the

1499
01:11:54,720 --> 01:11:57,960
Speaker 1: first two days like right before like gobble down in

1500
01:11:57,960 --> 01:12:01,200
Speaker 1: the exact same spot, and uh, I'd go down there

1501
01:12:01,240 --> 01:12:03,160
Speaker 1: and try and get them, and I'd eventually find them

1502
01:12:03,240 --> 01:12:07,560
Speaker 1: up the mountain like four hunder yards probably maybe not

1503
01:12:07,680 --> 01:12:10,559
Speaker 1: that far. But in two of the days he met

1504
01:12:10,640 --> 01:12:13,080
Speaker 1: up with another gobbler up there, and I'd hear two

1505
01:12:13,160 --> 01:12:15,439
Speaker 1: of them. Would you do you have their like calendar?

1506
01:12:15,720 --> 01:12:18,280
Speaker 1: Pretty much like he was meeting up with another guy.

1507
01:12:18,400 --> 01:12:21,880
Speaker 1: It it just seemed like they were always like right

1508
01:12:21,960 --> 01:12:22,920
Speaker 1: there after they got up through.

1509
01:12:23,600 --> 01:12:25,040
Speaker 2: Anyway, I.

1510
01:12:26,640 --> 01:12:31,360
Speaker 1: On Thursday, I go down to where I can hear

1511
01:12:32,040 --> 01:12:34,960
Speaker 1: into this haller where I've been hearing some turkeys, and

1512
01:12:35,000 --> 01:12:36,960
Speaker 1: then kind of hear another area or to my right,

1513
01:12:37,080 --> 01:12:41,519
Speaker 1: but I, uh, I heard another guy. Well, I saw

1514
01:12:41,560 --> 01:12:45,080
Speaker 1: a bunch of headlamps like all around the haller. I

1515
01:12:45,160 --> 01:12:48,040
Speaker 1: saw three. Two of them were like kind of and

1516
01:12:48,160 --> 01:12:51,960
Speaker 1: this is a this is a hollow that's like half

1517
01:12:52,040 --> 01:12:54,600
Speaker 1: a mile across, but the leaves aren't still out, so

1518
01:12:54,680 --> 01:12:57,639
Speaker 1: you could see a headlamp like bobbing through the woods.

1519
01:12:57,840 --> 01:13:00,639
Speaker 1: Am I right? Yeah? And uh it seem like people

1520
01:13:00,720 --> 01:13:03,519
Speaker 1: were just like accumulating every day because they would hear

1521
01:13:03,560 --> 01:13:06,879
Speaker 1: turkeys and then come back the next day. And anyway,

1522
01:13:07,400 --> 01:13:09,160
Speaker 1: I get in there and there's a guy over across

1523
01:13:09,200 --> 01:13:12,519
Speaker 1: the haller who's alt hooting a whole bunch and crow

1524
01:13:12,640 --> 01:13:16,160
Speaker 1: calling and this care going on, yeah, just over and over,

1525
01:13:16,479 --> 01:13:19,360
Speaker 1: and I was about to actually leave because I kind

1526
01:13:19,360 --> 01:13:21,840
Speaker 1: of thought he was just gonna blow out all the

1527
01:13:21,920 --> 01:13:24,519
Speaker 1: turkeys because he was like right in the middle of

1528
01:13:25,240 --> 01:13:28,439
Speaker 1: where a lot of the turkeys were, and I was

1529
01:13:28,560 --> 01:13:31,360
Speaker 1: considering leaving, and then I heard one, the one right

1530
01:13:31,439 --> 01:13:36,040
Speaker 1: down on his roost where he usually is, and it

1531
01:13:36,200 --> 01:13:38,439
Speaker 1: was like the gun going off at a track meet.

1532
01:13:38,520 --> 01:13:40,760
Speaker 1: It was like you could just feel like everybody'd come

1533
01:13:40,800 --> 01:13:43,080
Speaker 1: off the top of the haller and just like started

1534
01:13:43,080 --> 01:13:45,640
Speaker 1: going towards him. But I kind of knew he was

1535
01:13:45,720 --> 01:13:48,280
Speaker 1: going to go up the mountain to where he was,

1536
01:13:48,360 --> 01:13:49,920
Speaker 1: and I knew I wasn't going to kill him on

1537
01:13:49,960 --> 01:13:52,720
Speaker 1: the roost or like you know, catch him flying down,

1538
01:13:53,560 --> 01:13:56,040
Speaker 1: and so I just kind of ran up to where

1539
01:13:56,080 --> 01:13:58,479
Speaker 1: I figured he'd be. And it took me a really

1540
01:13:58,520 --> 01:14:01,599
Speaker 1: long time because there's big blow and stuff, and it's

1541
01:14:01,640 --> 01:14:04,559
Speaker 1: a big hauler, and I get a.

1542
01:14:04,880 --> 01:14:07,439
Speaker 2: Scene out of Last of the Mohicans. Yeah, just running

1543
01:14:07,479 --> 01:14:07,960
Speaker 2: through the woods.

1544
01:14:08,080 --> 01:14:10,599
Speaker 1: I was. I was literally running at a few different point,

1545
01:14:10,880 --> 01:14:17,000
Speaker 1: hair flying, and I get up about where I think

1546
01:14:17,080 --> 01:14:20,600
Speaker 1: he's gonna be, and uh, I hear him. As I

1547
01:14:20,840 --> 01:14:22,719
Speaker 1: get close to that point, I can hear him gobbling

1548
01:14:23,400 --> 01:14:26,759
Speaker 1: up the mountain from me, and uh, as I get closer,

1549
01:14:26,800 --> 01:14:29,680
Speaker 1: I can hear two gobblers up there, gobbling at each other,

1550
01:14:30,120 --> 01:14:32,120
Speaker 1: like like one would gobble and the other one would

1551
01:14:32,160 --> 01:14:35,599
Speaker 1: start up right after. And I just started to get closer,

1552
01:14:36,400 --> 01:14:37,800
Speaker 1: you know. I figured I'd just get as close as

1553
01:14:37,840 --> 01:14:40,759
Speaker 1: I can and then call. But I just got closer

1554
01:14:40,800 --> 01:14:42,800
Speaker 1: and closer and closer. And I got to where I

1555
01:14:42,920 --> 01:14:45,320
Speaker 1: was like eighty yards from him, and they were up

1556
01:14:45,400 --> 01:14:48,880
Speaker 1: the mountain from me, and uh, they were up on

1557
01:14:49,000 --> 01:14:52,120
Speaker 1: this bluff above me, and I saw a break in

1558
01:14:52,200 --> 01:14:54,200
Speaker 1: the bluff where I could kind of get up it,

1559
01:14:55,040 --> 01:14:56,800
Speaker 1: and I was like, and up at the very top

1560
01:14:56,840 --> 01:14:59,560
Speaker 1: of it was a big rock and so like a

1561
01:14:59,720 --> 01:15:01,120
Speaker 1: rock as big as your truck.

1562
01:15:01,360 --> 01:15:01,559
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1563
01:15:01,920 --> 01:15:05,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, And so I figured I could get up there. Now,

1564
01:15:05,120 --> 01:15:06,720
Speaker 1: why didn't you want to call at them when you

1565
01:15:06,800 --> 01:15:08,960
Speaker 1: were that close? Well, I thought about it, but I

1566
01:15:09,080 --> 01:15:11,840
Speaker 1: was downhill from them, and I wanted to be above them,

1567
01:15:12,520 --> 01:15:16,680
Speaker 1: and I didn't know if I just didn't know if

1568
01:15:16,680 --> 01:15:18,720
Speaker 1: they'd come off, because at that point they were like

1569
01:15:18,920 --> 01:15:21,920
Speaker 1: even with me. Between me and them was a bluff.

1570
01:15:22,479 --> 01:15:24,240
Speaker 1: They weren't even with the part where you could get

1571
01:15:24,320 --> 01:15:26,400
Speaker 1: up and h okay. And so I figured i'd kind

1572
01:15:26,400 --> 01:15:29,240
Speaker 1: of get up that part and get even with them,

1573
01:15:29,280 --> 01:15:31,760
Speaker 1: and i'd pop out, you know, right next to that rock,

1574
01:15:31,920 --> 01:15:34,800
Speaker 1: like forty yards from is what I thought. But as

1575
01:15:34,880 --> 01:15:37,439
Speaker 1: I started walking up that I could hear them, just

1576
01:15:37,600 --> 01:15:41,240
Speaker 1: like right next to that rock, right on the other

1577
01:15:41,280 --> 01:15:43,240
Speaker 1: side where I couldn't see them, but I could hear

1578
01:15:43,320 --> 01:15:46,040
Speaker 1: their wings flapping and they were gobbling, and I guess

1579
01:15:46,080 --> 01:15:50,000
Speaker 1: they were fighting each other or something. And at this

1580
01:15:50,080 --> 01:15:52,120
Speaker 1: point I was so close to him, I was like, well,

1581
01:15:52,200 --> 01:15:54,840
Speaker 1: I might as well just risk it for the biscuit. Yeah.

1582
01:15:55,160 --> 01:15:57,760
Speaker 1: And I'd almost bush racked another one on the second day,

1583
01:15:57,920 --> 01:15:59,800
Speaker 1: just like I was walking and just saw him before

1584
01:15:59,800 --> 01:16:02,200
Speaker 1: he saw me. He just got lucky, and so I

1585
01:16:02,320 --> 01:16:04,280
Speaker 1: was kind of thinking I could probably do that with

1586
01:16:04,400 --> 01:16:07,360
Speaker 1: these ones. And I'd called at him so much and

1587
01:16:07,479 --> 01:16:09,080
Speaker 1: other people called at him. I didn't know if the

1588
01:16:09,160 --> 01:16:13,160
Speaker 1: call would yeah, would work at this point, and so

1589
01:16:13,240 --> 01:16:16,320
Speaker 1: I get up to that rock and uh, in how

1590
01:16:16,600 --> 01:16:19,040
Speaker 1: you're like twenty yards from them? I think I think

1591
01:16:19,080 --> 01:16:20,840
Speaker 1: I was like ten yards from at this point, so

1592
01:16:21,000 --> 01:16:23,839
Speaker 1: you're just like sneak right up. They were like directly

1593
01:16:23,880 --> 01:16:25,760
Speaker 1: on the other side of the rock, and the rock

1594
01:16:25,880 --> 01:16:27,960
Speaker 1: kind of was like a it was like a triangle

1595
01:16:28,080 --> 01:16:31,160
Speaker 1: pretty much, and on the north end of the triangle

1596
01:16:31,920 --> 01:16:33,479
Speaker 1: is where I went. And I was like the point

1597
01:16:33,520 --> 01:16:36,040
Speaker 1: of the triangle and I kind of stuck my hands

1598
01:16:36,080 --> 01:16:38,720
Speaker 1: on it, and I looked around the other side and

1599
01:16:39,200 --> 01:16:41,639
Speaker 1: directly on the other side of the triangle, probably five

1600
01:16:41,760 --> 01:16:45,400
Speaker 1: yards off the rock, there was a flock of them

1601
01:16:45,640 --> 01:16:48,599
Speaker 1: and I could see like four or five turkeys. Now,

1602
01:16:48,680 --> 01:16:50,320
Speaker 1: were you not afraid you were gonna spook them by

1603
01:16:50,360 --> 01:16:53,320
Speaker 1: peeking your head around? Well, I did it like as

1604
01:16:53,400 --> 01:16:56,040
Speaker 1: slow as you could, and I had a mask on,

1605
01:16:56,280 --> 01:16:59,200
Speaker 1: and I didn't really realize they were that close. Yeah, yeah,

1606
01:16:59,439 --> 01:17:02,400
Speaker 1: and they were that rock. It was kind of weird.

1607
01:17:02,439 --> 01:17:05,040
Speaker 1: It was like the there was a lower side of it,

1608
01:17:05,320 --> 01:17:06,720
Speaker 1: and then you go to the other side and it

1609
01:17:06,840 --> 01:17:09,640
Speaker 1: was like four or five foot the ground was four

1610
01:17:09,720 --> 01:17:11,920
Speaker 1: or five foot higher, like there was like dirt stuck

1611
01:17:12,040 --> 01:17:15,000
Speaker 1: up against it. So I was below him, still on

1612
01:17:15,160 --> 01:17:17,400
Speaker 1: that rock, and I could just see I could just

1613
01:17:17,400 --> 01:17:20,320
Speaker 1: see him right up there on that little plateau there,

1614
01:17:21,240 --> 01:17:24,120
Speaker 1: and uh so I just kind of like creep back

1615
01:17:24,160 --> 01:17:28,400
Speaker 1: behind the rock, and I can tell they're moving over

1616
01:17:28,520 --> 01:17:30,960
Speaker 1: towards me, and so I just stick my gun up

1617
01:17:31,000 --> 01:17:33,680
Speaker 1: and I hear him clucking, and the first turkey that

1618
01:17:33,760 --> 01:17:36,719
Speaker 1: pops out, I could tell he was a long beard.

1619
01:17:36,800 --> 01:17:39,679
Speaker 1: And I looked at him for a really long time,

1620
01:17:39,880 --> 01:17:41,320
Speaker 1: even though I could have shot him, just because I

1621
01:17:41,320 --> 01:17:46,000
Speaker 1: did not want to, yeah, shoot a jake or shoot

1622
01:17:46,040 --> 01:17:50,280
Speaker 1: a hen or something. And he started going back and

1623
01:17:50,400 --> 01:17:53,200
Speaker 1: forth at like five yards, and finally I got a

1624
01:17:53,280 --> 01:17:54,760
Speaker 1: really good look at him, and I could tell he

1625
01:17:54,840 --> 01:17:58,040
Speaker 1: was one hundred percent a long beard. And about that time,

1626
01:17:58,120 --> 01:18:01,439
Speaker 1: he sees me right there in front of him, and

1627
01:18:01,560 --> 01:18:05,920
Speaker 1: he turns and just is about to just starts to run.

1628
01:18:06,600 --> 01:18:08,560
Speaker 1: But it was too late. He was already just like

1629
01:18:08,760 --> 01:18:10,400
Speaker 1: I mean, I had my I mean I was already

1630
01:18:11,120 --> 01:18:13,439
Speaker 1: hunkered down on him. All I had to do is

1631
01:18:13,479 --> 01:18:18,880
Speaker 1: pull the trigger, and uh yep, got him, got him.

1632
01:18:19,960 --> 01:18:23,799
Speaker 1: I think that's pretty good woodsmanship. Yeah, yeah, and turkey

1633
01:18:23,920 --> 01:18:27,280
Speaker 1: know how to know not to call, not to mess around.

1634
01:18:27,600 --> 01:18:30,479
Speaker 1: I mean, I won't even go over there. I don't

1635
01:18:30,479 --> 01:18:32,400
Speaker 1: even want to go over there. Yeah, it's just too

1636
01:18:32,439 --> 01:18:33,640
Speaker 1: many people, you know.

1637
01:18:34,400 --> 01:18:37,320
Speaker 2: But uh, yeah it was. It was a nice, nice

1638
01:18:37,360 --> 01:18:38,800
Speaker 2: gobbler and cook it tonight.

1639
01:18:39,320 --> 01:18:43,960
Speaker 1: I bet there's snakes Deluxe right in that area. Oh yeah,

1640
01:18:43,960 --> 01:18:47,840
Speaker 1: I actually found one, like probably well, yeah, you found

1641
01:18:47,880 --> 01:18:50,519
Speaker 1: the road right where I killed it, probably like three

1642
01:18:50,600 --> 01:18:54,599
Speaker 1: hundred yards from it. Yeah. A live copper head. Yeah, yeah,

1643
01:18:54,640 --> 01:18:59,000
Speaker 1: a live one. I've only been uh, I've only been

1644
01:18:59,160 --> 01:19:04,439
Speaker 1: struck at and actually bit unintentionally one time, like thinking

1645
01:19:04,479 --> 01:19:06,280
Speaker 1: about being in a place with a lot of snakes,

1646
01:19:06,960 --> 01:19:10,559
Speaker 1: going back to Snake's Great Turkey story. One time while

1647
01:19:10,640 --> 01:19:13,120
Speaker 1: deer hunting and it was cool in October, I had

1648
01:19:13,160 --> 01:19:16,000
Speaker 1: a copperhead bite my rubber boot. I didn't even know

1649
01:19:16,000 --> 01:19:17,880
Speaker 1: it was there. It's a little one, A little bitty

1650
01:19:17,920 --> 01:19:19,920
Speaker 1: guy just felt something like tap my boot and I

1651
01:19:19,960 --> 01:19:23,120
Speaker 1: looked down. I was like, dad, got that thing bit me? Anyway,

1652
01:19:23,120 --> 01:19:26,679
Speaker 1: I was thinking about bear out there and Snake Country. Yep,

1653
01:19:27,280 --> 01:19:33,639
Speaker 1: we are all the time. Hey, thank you Brad for coming. Yeah,

1654
01:19:33,840 --> 01:19:37,240
Speaker 1: it starts when starts meet Either live tour is on.

1655
01:19:37,520 --> 01:19:40,320
Speaker 1: If you're listening to this, you're we're there. But you

1656
01:19:40,400 --> 01:19:43,880
Speaker 1: can still buy tickets to shows. Uh oh yeah, Josh

1657
01:19:44,000 --> 01:19:48,720
Speaker 1: made Josh Pilmaker Josh Lambridge Spillmaker made ten did did

1658
01:19:48,760 --> 01:19:50,360
Speaker 1: this strike you as odd when he walked in there

1659
01:19:50,920 --> 01:19:52,360
Speaker 1: in hats?

1660
01:19:54,240 --> 01:19:55,599
Speaker 6: This guy loves scoons your.

1661
01:19:55,520 --> 01:20:01,559
Speaker 1: Nets, So yeah so Josh Josh Lambridge Spilmmaker made ten

1662
01:20:02,439 --> 01:20:06,960
Speaker 1: coonskin hats that are gonna be given away one at

1663
01:20:07,080 --> 01:20:10,960
Speaker 1: each live tour event for the winner of the al

1664
01:20:11,080 --> 01:20:15,960
Speaker 1: Hooting contest. So good job, Josh, good job. But yeah, Brad,

1665
01:20:16,200 --> 01:20:18,120
Speaker 1: thanks for coming man, thanks for bringing the snakes.

1666
01:20:18,800 --> 01:20:21,040
Speaker 2: You wind incredible show.

1667
01:20:21,080 --> 01:20:24,320
Speaker 1: And yes, yeah yeah, we're gonna just have We're just

1668
01:20:24,360 --> 01:20:26,320
Speaker 1: gonna have to have him come back, just to no doubt.

1669
01:20:26,439 --> 01:20:34,360
Speaker 1: It's like, hey, I'll bring every time we can guess yes, yes, wow, great,

1670
01:20:35,040 --> 01:20:35,599
Speaker 1: Thanks guys,