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Speaker 2: What Up, Doug gott Leap Show, Fox Sports Radio, iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: How you doing. So? Pablo Tori has done it again.

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Speaker 2: This was about a month and a half ago, maybe

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Speaker 2: two months ago. He exposed this, these allegations of collusion

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Speaker 2: out of that investigation, if you read all that stuff,

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Speaker 2: and nothing happened to anybody in the NFL. On the

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Speaker 2: other hand, the NFLPA, you had mass resignations. Now I

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Speaker 2: don't know if it's from that, people complaining about the

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Speaker 2: the collective bard and agreement what it is. There's some

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Speaker 2: corruption as well, all those things. But Pablo Torri is

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Speaker 2: now he's gone on his own, He has his own

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Speaker 2: sh and he does some of this investigative journalism. And

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Speaker 2: the newest one was uncovering some now defunct media business,

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Speaker 2: digital business or whatever that allegedly paid Kawhi lettered like

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Speaker 2: twenty eight million dollars in a year for not doing anything,

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Speaker 2: or twenty million dollars total for not was like seven

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Speaker 2: million years, four years for not doing anything. And the

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Speaker 2: the assumption and the accusations are that this was like

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Speaker 2: under the tables, sweet sweetening of the deal in order

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Speaker 2: to get Kawhi letter to come to the Clippers from

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Speaker 2: the Raptors. Bomber went on ESPN today and denied all

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Speaker 2: of it and has actually encouraged them to investigate to

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Speaker 2: bunch of things to it. One, Pabulatory is very very bright.

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Speaker 2: I don't think there's any argument it. It's not because

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Speaker 2: he went to Harvard. I know, guys we went to

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Speaker 2: Harvard that are still pretty bright, but not exceedingly bright.

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Speaker 2: He might be at too smart for sports. I've always

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Speaker 2: thought that, but in this realm, obviously that's where he

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Speaker 2: And then he had Mark Cuban on earlier today as well.

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Speaker 2: Cuban and him went back and forth on social media.

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Speaker 2: So I don't know, I do know. I don't think

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Speaker 2: this is a complete nothing burger, but mostly a nothing burger.

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Speaker 2: On the other hand, with you know, sixty minutes so

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Speaker 2: world does need somebody to check the checks and balances,

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Speaker 2: and if that's where his podcast goes, I think it

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Speaker 2: could be rewarding. The issue becomes that here's how it

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Speaker 2: feels to me. It feels a lot like a certain

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Speaker 2: portion of our of the demographic who votes who always

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Speaker 2: That there can't just be the story. There has to

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Speaker 2: be something behind the story. And even when you're presented

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Speaker 2: with data, with facts, with you know, with subpoenas, with

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Speaker 2: fact false, there's either there's no my bad or the

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Speaker 2: my bads are completely overwhelmed by the initial accusations of

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Speaker 2: the story. And I think that's wrong. This one, to me,

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Speaker 2: does it smell a little funny? It does? Does it?

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Speaker 2: Is it explainable? It is? Do I believe it as

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Speaker 2: But if there's a podcast or with him and Balmer,

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Speaker 2: if there's a day in court and he is, he

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Speaker 2: comes off of his horse and says, you know what,

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Speaker 2: I was wrong about this thing. I made some assumptions

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Speaker 2: based upon what I saw in these documents. But again,

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Speaker 2: That's where we are as society. So I guess what

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Speaker 2: see everybody's out against anybody else, on students making money,

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Speaker 2: Fox Sports One. Here's Brady Quinn talking about the spitting

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Speaker 4: I already heard conversation about, well, Jalen Carter spit on

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Speaker 5: Knock the dude out? No, you knock the dude out?

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Speaker 7: Is time we all start watching the NFL like adults.

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Speaker 7: So here is the misinformation. There are gonna be a

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Speaker 7: they already did this. There are commercials on red Zone

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Speaker 7: a couple of weekends last year. Are we gonna miss

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Speaker 1: That's it.

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Speaker 7: That's all that's gonna happen. And honestly, we've been spoiled

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Speaker 7: really the take. The take is this, and this is controversial.

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Speaker 7: This night put in my bones everyone knows.

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Speaker 3: I'm that.

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Speaker 7: You cannot be a self respecting, die hard NFL fan

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Speaker 7: if the only way you consume football is through red zone.

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Speaker 7: Watch a whole game like an adult second screen supplementary

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Speaker 7: the NBA, Like, what game do you watch last night? Now,

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Speaker 7: it's just bleed to report speeds, all some highlights. You

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Speaker 7: you can't cover the league if you're just watching red zones.

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Speaker 7: We got to learn, coach, how a team matriculated the

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Speaker 7: have red zone secondary, whether it's on your phone, computer screen,

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Speaker 7: But don't try to get in football arguments or football

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Speaker 2: Jay stun I had a great conversation about this because

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Speaker 2: As a matter of fact, at the end of every

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Speaker 2: And I love the red Zone and I'm glad that it's,

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Speaker 2: you open Pandora's box and you start making money, and commercials,

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Speaker 2: well you can make now you can do whatever you want.

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Speaker 5: Think that there's a there's a conversation here of considering

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Speaker 5: the source, right. I think Nick writes vantage point needs

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Speaker 2: It's Week one.

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Speaker 3: You can't do that to the Chiefs and they charge

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Speaker 2: It sucks, like that's the downside to all these international

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Speaker 2: That's where all this added revenue comes from. That's what

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Speaker 1: Be sure to catch live editions of the Doug Gottlieb

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Speaker 2: Let's find out who what's annoying Jason Stewart.

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Speaker 1: And now it's your annoying.

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Speaker 5: He Doug. I always want to stay on message, right

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Speaker 5: and my message is, I guess my cause. My cause

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Speaker 5: So last night's game started a six and a half

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, but for whatever reason, people love that stuff.

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Speaker 2: Every NFL game is gonna end up within a touchdown,

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Speaker 5: Well. Your first point is talking about what you think

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Speaker 8: They've busted their eyes just how I busted my eyes.

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Speaker 5: Doug, have you ever heard a worst attempt in an apology?

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Speaker 5: This is this being framed somehow like she's being accountable.

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Speaker 5: not my way I thinks is annoying. This is what

432
00:25:04,640 --> 00:25:05,840
Speaker 5: This is the exchange that they have.

433
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Speaker 10: Bro, I'll be on Twitter like I feel like they

434
00:25:07,960 --> 00:25:10,199
Speaker 10: be on his dick twenty four seven. He can't do

435
00:25:10,359 --> 00:25:12,000
Speaker 10: shit right, Like, no.

436
00:25:11,880 --> 00:25:14,639
Speaker 6: Matter what he does, good or bad, it's all on

437
00:25:14,680 --> 00:25:17,160
Speaker 6: Twitter like they I saw he can't breathe, Like there's

438
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Speaker 6: one dude in the NFL's him, Like no, he takes

439
00:25:19,960 --> 00:25:20,640
Speaker 6: one step wrong.

440
00:25:20,680 --> 00:25:23,080
Speaker 10: It's like, oh Caleb did this this this Like Bro,

441
00:25:23,520 --> 00:25:24,520
Speaker 10: they can't just let him be.

442
00:25:24,680 --> 00:25:25,720
Speaker 5: I feel bashon tied man.

443
00:25:25,760 --> 00:25:28,520
Speaker 6: I'd be like, bro, nah, they did right for sure.

444
00:25:28,560 --> 00:25:29,199
Speaker 8: I'm not gonna lie.

445
00:25:29,240 --> 00:25:32,320
Speaker 6: It's crazy because like you see like other players and

446
00:25:32,400 --> 00:25:33,959
Speaker 6: like we watched the film and shit, and you know,

447
00:25:34,040 --> 00:25:36,639
Speaker 6: like who's out here like out here really bullshitting you

448
00:25:36,680 --> 00:25:38,159
Speaker 6: know what I mean? But like when it comes to

449
00:25:38,200 --> 00:25:39,879
Speaker 6: Sea Will, I don't know what it was that media

450
00:25:40,000 --> 00:25:41,720
Speaker 6: asked me like the same thing today and I was like,

451
00:25:41,760 --> 00:25:42,720
Speaker 6: I don't know, y'all tell me.

452
00:25:43,880 --> 00:25:46,600
Speaker 5: So here's the deal. And these are players, I think

453
00:25:46,640 --> 00:25:49,800
Speaker 5: they can't see the forest beyond the trees. Their players

454
00:25:49,800 --> 00:25:51,240
Speaker 5: are taking it for each other. I get it. But

455
00:25:51,680 --> 00:25:53,639
Speaker 5: I think a lot of the people that cover the

456
00:25:53,720 --> 00:25:56,879
Speaker 5: NFL kind of following the same category that I do.

457
00:25:57,720 --> 00:26:00,879
Speaker 5: We remember that Caleb Williams has fought and his team

458
00:26:01,160 --> 00:26:06,080
Speaker 5: try to leverage their entire career, his entire career based

459
00:26:06,080 --> 00:26:10,720
Speaker 5: on him being a special talent. Nobody has ever seen

460
00:26:10,840 --> 00:26:14,359
Speaker 5: a Caleb Williams. So when we're drafted by the team

461
00:26:14,359 --> 00:26:16,520
Speaker 5: that we want to draft him, and we're going to

462
00:26:16,560 --> 00:26:18,919
Speaker 5: try our best to have the Vikings draft him or

463
00:26:18,960 --> 00:26:21,920
Speaker 5: trade for him as according to this book that's coming out,

464
00:26:22,600 --> 00:26:25,600
Speaker 5: And also when that team drafts him, we're going to

465
00:26:25,640 --> 00:26:30,159
Speaker 5: ask for ownership stake. This. He was made out to

466
00:26:30,200 --> 00:26:34,280
Speaker 5: be like the next coming, the thing that was going

467
00:26:34,320 --> 00:26:37,399
Speaker 5: to change the way the business was done. And I

468
00:26:37,440 --> 00:26:39,480
Speaker 5: think a lot of people that cover the sport remember that,

469
00:26:40,000 --> 00:26:42,440
Speaker 5: and we see him through that prism. So the shit

470
00:26:42,520 --> 00:26:44,879
Speaker 5: that he gets I think is coming from that place.

471
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Speaker 2: I think there's some of that. I also think there's

472
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Speaker 2: some of the sideline reactions in his yet sc there's

473
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Speaker 2: the painted fingernails, there's that he was the number one pick,

474
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Speaker 2: and then there's just the massive overreaction to things you

475
00:26:59,800 --> 00:27:02,600
Speaker 2: reach on social media and you take it as that's

476
00:27:02,640 --> 00:27:05,320
Speaker 2: all the media, when it's not. Most people on social

477
00:27:05,400 --> 00:27:10,919
Speaker 2: media questioning somebody is not media. It's randos and it's

478
00:27:11,000 --> 00:27:14,119
Speaker 2: hard to differentiate, especially when you're constantly on your phone,

479
00:27:14,119 --> 00:27:17,399
Speaker 2: like why are you taking opinions off of Twitter on

480
00:27:17,480 --> 00:27:21,120
Speaker 2: an NFL quarterback? That doesn't matter. If the guy's really good,

481
00:27:21,240 --> 00:27:23,800
Speaker 2: he's really good, and everybody will eventually figure out that

482
00:27:23,800 --> 00:27:27,280
Speaker 2: he's really good. But I think it's more about social media.

483
00:27:27,320 --> 00:27:31,880
Speaker 2: And the other part is they're actually using writers and

484
00:27:33,000 --> 00:27:36,440
Speaker 2: de writing in the wrong context. They're not de writing him.

485
00:27:36,880 --> 00:27:39,000
Speaker 2: If they were, they would be saying how grad he is,

486
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Speaker 2: that's what writing is, or glazing, as I've learned from

487
00:27:43,320 --> 00:27:43,680
Speaker 2: my son.

488
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Speaker 5: It also opens another conversation about context and words and

489
00:27:51,359 --> 00:27:54,600
Speaker 5: how phrases migrate. You know, we've had a back and

490
00:27:54,640 --> 00:27:57,240
Speaker 5: forth a long time now about the usage of the

491
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Speaker 5: word pause. It started out as something and maybe it's

492
00:28:00,840 --> 00:28:04,560
Speaker 5: migrated to something else. I always thought, if you said

493
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Speaker 5: if I said Sam's beIN on my dick since I

494
00:28:07,640 --> 00:28:11,440
Speaker 5: got here, I would think that's that's telling people that

495
00:28:11,480 --> 00:28:18,199
Speaker 5: he constantly sucks my dick metaphorically, he's constantly complimenting me

496
00:28:18,520 --> 00:28:19,679
Speaker 5: and being a brown noser.

497
00:28:19,760 --> 00:28:21,800
Speaker 9: Yeah, yeah, I thought that too, But why do you

498
00:28:21,840 --> 00:28:25,000
Speaker 9: have to use me? Well, this is an example. So

499
00:28:25,040 --> 00:28:26,639
Speaker 9: you're and you're making eye contact on me right now.

500
00:28:26,680 --> 00:28:29,359
Speaker 9: So play the first five seconds of I'm On's Ross,

501
00:28:29,400 --> 00:28:30,359
Speaker 9: I'm brom Bro.

502
00:28:30,480 --> 00:28:32,200
Speaker 10: I'll be on Twitter like I feel like they'd be

503
00:28:32,320 --> 00:28:33,520
Speaker 10: on his dick twenty four.

504
00:28:34,720 --> 00:28:36,639
Speaker 5: Yeah, I don't get that. So has that has that

505
00:28:36,680 --> 00:28:37,600
Speaker 5: phrase migrated?

506
00:28:40,440 --> 00:28:43,160
Speaker 9: That sounds like they're everyone's kissing his ass. Yes, that

507
00:28:43,240 --> 00:28:45,600
Speaker 9: is the more vulgar version of kissing ass.

508
00:28:45,680 --> 00:28:46,640
Speaker 2: That's a kissing your ass.

509
00:28:46,640 --> 00:28:49,240
Speaker 9: But he's saying in a way that's like everyone's been

510
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Speaker 9: on a case.

511
00:28:50,400 --> 00:28:53,960
Speaker 2: Yes, but that's not how No, it is not migrated

512
00:28:53,960 --> 00:28:55,840
Speaker 2: that way. That's not that I'm aware of.

513
00:28:56,320 --> 00:28:58,160
Speaker 5: He's using it, and the like the.

514
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Speaker 2: Opposite, the opposite, Yes, the opposite. That's what I'm saying

515
00:29:01,200 --> 00:29:01,760
Speaker 2: about riding.

516
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Speaker 9: I don't either like if someone's like riding on your back,

517
00:29:05,040 --> 00:29:06,720
Speaker 9: I don't like on your case.

518
00:29:06,840 --> 00:29:08,440
Speaker 5: That's a negative, but riding.

519
00:29:08,440 --> 00:29:10,480
Speaker 2: Either of us. Who is this podcast?

520
00:29:10,480 --> 00:29:14,240
Speaker 5: By the way, I'm on Rossa and Brown and his brother.

521
00:29:15,080 --> 00:29:21,200
Speaker 2: Mm hm, those guys are both modern day guys, weren't they.

522
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Speaker 9: That sounds familiar pretty sure, isn't there dad like a

523
00:29:25,960 --> 00:29:29,479
Speaker 9: famous Olympian? Or could be wrong the Saint Brown family.

524
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Speaker 2: Yeah sure, I don't know. All I know is that's it.

525
00:29:34,640 --> 00:29:36,520
Speaker 2: I I don't even know how we picked that up.

526
00:29:36,720 --> 00:29:39,560
Speaker 2: That's what's that's that's how deep that pickup was. But

527
00:29:39,560 --> 00:29:44,280
Speaker 2: it also plays into the everybody has everybody has a podcast?

528
00:29:44,320 --> 00:29:45,520
Speaker 2: I think you know.

529
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Speaker 9: Oh, by the way, John Brown was a bodybuilder in

530
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Speaker 9: two time amateur Mister Universe, So that's what.

531
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Speaker 5: Yeah. Anaheim Hills, California, that's right next to Briah.

532
00:29:56,400 --> 00:29:59,080
Speaker 2: Sure, esper Runza High School would probably be there or

533
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Speaker 2: Canyon their feeder.

534
00:30:00,560 --> 00:30:03,920
Speaker 5: He could have gone to Canyon, but he probably or Esperanza.

535
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Speaker 5: I have a bonus one today because it impacts somebody

536
00:30:08,320 --> 00:30:11,080
Speaker 5: in our industry and it's somebody that you have a

537
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Speaker 5: past with. In other words, on Twitter once.

538
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Speaker 2: With oh.

539
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Speaker 5: Emmanuel Acho. He's an interesting one. He launched, he launched

540
00:30:21,080 --> 00:30:24,920
Speaker 5: his own thing. Now he's independent. He's doing something called

541
00:30:25,640 --> 00:30:28,600
Speaker 5: the speakeasy, which is a play on words, you know,

542
00:30:29,160 --> 00:30:31,800
Speaker 5: like you could speak easy. This is a safe space

543
00:30:31,840 --> 00:30:35,560
Speaker 5: to speak easy. And the set is like a bar.

544
00:30:35,760 --> 00:30:40,200
Speaker 5: That's a speakeasy. Very very clever. Anyways, he's doing his

545
00:30:40,240 --> 00:30:43,040
Speaker 5: own thing now because he was fired. He was fired

546
00:30:43,040 --> 00:30:47,600
Speaker 5: from pok Sports and uh this is how he, I

547
00:30:47,640 --> 00:30:51,760
Speaker 5: guess characterized the firing to Cam Newton this week.

548
00:30:52,240 --> 00:30:54,480
Speaker 10: I got cut five times by the age of twenty five.

549
00:30:54,880 --> 00:30:57,800
Speaker 10: I know how to see around a corner. There came

550
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Speaker 10: a point in time where I'm like, hey, we launched

551
00:31:00,520 --> 00:31:03,840
Speaker 10: a new show at a new time slot, with a

552
00:31:03,920 --> 00:31:08,200
Speaker 10: new cast and a new name. It was like, and mind,

553
00:31:08,240 --> 00:31:10,560
Speaker 10: you are timeslots going up against first Take. Shout out

554
00:31:10,560 --> 00:31:12,080
Speaker 10: to you, Cam and steven A and WHI y'all got

555
00:31:12,080 --> 00:31:14,440
Speaker 10: going to first take? It's the ninety eight Bulls versusn

556
00:31:14,440 --> 00:31:17,000
Speaker 10: expansion team. What do you think was gonna happen? If

557
00:31:17,000 --> 00:31:19,959
Speaker 10: you only have nine, ten eleven months, I wouldn't take

558
00:31:19,960 --> 00:31:21,440
Speaker 10: you down. Michael jordan'sc Gotti Pippen.

559
00:31:22,800 --> 00:31:25,440
Speaker 5: I think it's great. I really do think it's great

560
00:31:25,480 --> 00:31:28,440
Speaker 5: that and I'm not going to fault him for this.

561
00:31:28,520 --> 00:31:33,600
Speaker 5: I think big ego people never actually see the true reason,

562
00:31:33,640 --> 00:31:37,000
Speaker 5: which is the show wasn't very good, Your content wasn't

563
00:31:37,080 --> 00:31:41,920
Speaker 5: very good, Your your actual information and opinions did not

564
00:31:42,240 --> 00:31:46,560
Speaker 5: entice people to watch. But instead of instead of accepting that,

565
00:31:47,160 --> 00:31:50,520
Speaker 5: he listed at least five reasons why his show was canceled.

566
00:31:51,520 --> 00:31:55,120
Speaker 5: Let's count him going up against first. Take sure, new show,

567
00:31:55,680 --> 00:32:00,640
Speaker 5: new name, name, new concept. Of course, it wasn't gonna

568
00:32:00,640 --> 00:32:02,000
Speaker 5: work in nine months, Doug.

569
00:32:06,400 --> 00:32:08,720
Speaker 2: You live long enough, you coach long enough, you're gonna

570
00:32:08,720 --> 00:32:12,200
Speaker 2: get fired. You work long enough in our business, you're

571
00:32:12,240 --> 00:32:18,280
Speaker 2: gonna get your show's gonna get canceled. Right eventually, eventually, everybody,

572
00:32:19,200 --> 00:32:20,720
Speaker 2: although I have seen I don't know if you saw

573
00:32:20,760 --> 00:32:23,560
Speaker 2: the serious X. I'm still trying to negotiate with Howard.

574
00:32:24,280 --> 00:32:30,360
Speaker 2: If you saw that anyway, Yeah, look I could. I

575
00:32:30,520 --> 00:32:33,920
Speaker 2: don't believe in kicking somebody while they're down. I don't

576
00:32:34,920 --> 00:32:39,240
Speaker 2: one because I've definitely been there, you know, definitely been there,

577
00:32:41,440 --> 00:32:45,520
Speaker 2: And networks don't always make moves that make sense, and

578
00:32:45,600 --> 00:32:48,720
Speaker 2: sometimes they do, like I don't know, I don't really understand.

579
00:32:48,720 --> 00:32:51,880
Speaker 2: I never liked Around the Around the Horn. I didn't

580
00:32:51,920 --> 00:32:54,320
Speaker 2: think it was a great show, but it just became

581
00:32:54,360 --> 00:32:56,680
Speaker 2: such a constant. It was always on, and it was

582
00:32:56,720 --> 00:33:00,560
Speaker 2: pretty quick moving, and some of the characters had remained

583
00:33:00,600 --> 00:33:04,800
Speaker 2: for the entirety of the show that it didn't bother me, Right,

584
00:33:06,280 --> 00:33:09,280
Speaker 2: what was Lebotard show? That his dad in it.

585
00:33:10,840 --> 00:33:11,960
Speaker 5: And forgot what was that called?

586
00:33:12,760 --> 00:33:14,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, And that was one of those ways you don't

587
00:33:14,320 --> 00:33:17,400
Speaker 2: get the show. It lasted a long time despite the

588
00:33:17,440 --> 00:33:19,760
Speaker 2: fact that I didn't really understand this. I didn't understand

589
00:33:19,760 --> 00:33:22,160
Speaker 2: a lot of the premise of the show. But people

590
00:33:22,160 --> 00:33:27,040
Speaker 2: who love the show freaking love the show. Odd shows

591
00:33:27,080 --> 00:33:29,600
Speaker 2: deal is really interesting, right. He was kind of a

592
00:33:29,680 --> 00:33:32,560
Speaker 2: Johnny come Lately to the to the sports talkie game

593
00:33:33,320 --> 00:33:35,960
Speaker 2: he had. He and his brother had NFL careers. His

594
00:33:36,160 --> 00:33:40,280
Speaker 2: was very shortened and during I mean, he was really

595
00:33:40,320 --> 00:33:44,120
Speaker 2: a product of the pandemic more than maybe anybody, right,

596
00:33:44,160 --> 00:33:46,800
Speaker 2: because he had a book that was, I guess a

597
00:33:46,840 --> 00:33:52,280
Speaker 2: bestseller and he made an Oprah appearance, and I mean,

598
00:33:52,600 --> 00:33:55,920
Speaker 2: here's a here's a term. Are you've familiar with clout chasing?

599
00:33:57,800 --> 00:34:00,400
Speaker 5: Yeah, okay, so I.

600
00:34:00,280 --> 00:34:03,120
Speaker 2: Felt like Fox at the time was clout chasing, Like,

601
00:34:03,240 --> 00:34:07,320
Speaker 2: oh my gosh, here's a popular, young, outspoken black man.

602
00:34:08,000 --> 00:34:12,239
Speaker 2: Let's go get him. And he's well spoken, right, but

603
00:34:12,320 --> 00:34:15,680
Speaker 2: he just didn't have. He wasn't placed with guys with

604
00:34:16,000 --> 00:34:20,600
Speaker 2: enough experience to kind of maneuver around some of his takes, which,

605
00:34:21,320 --> 00:34:28,359
Speaker 2: while strong, were you know, laughably off. But again it

606
00:34:28,400 --> 00:34:31,080
Speaker 2: doesn't matter, like my thing would be if I were

607
00:34:31,120 --> 00:34:33,960
Speaker 2: if I were him, if I was advising Acho, and

608
00:34:34,000 --> 00:34:36,799
Speaker 2: I'm obviously not, we're not friends. I think I met

609
00:34:36,880 --> 00:34:40,239
Speaker 2: him once, he was at a party. It wasn't long ago.

610
00:34:40,280 --> 00:34:41,840
Speaker 2: He was was a couple weeks ago and I was

611
00:34:41,840 --> 00:34:43,239
Speaker 2: in LA. I saw him at a party for like

612
00:34:43,680 --> 00:34:46,000
Speaker 2: thirty seconds, and I shock his hand, like I don't

613
00:34:46,080 --> 00:34:48,120
Speaker 2: have problems with people when they have problems, like I

614
00:34:48,160 --> 00:34:51,359
Speaker 2: don't care enough. But if I was advising him, I'd

615
00:34:51,360 --> 00:34:54,160
Speaker 2: be like, dude, keep to the grindstone, get on one

616
00:34:54,200 --> 00:34:57,000
Speaker 2: of the other networks. If that's the role, like as

617
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Speaker 2: a taker, hot taker, then live up that role. And

618
00:35:01,040 --> 00:35:03,960
Speaker 2: now he's I guess, funding his own thing, which is

619
00:35:04,040 --> 00:35:06,239
Speaker 2: brave and a great way to burn through a ton

620
00:35:06,280 --> 00:35:10,880
Speaker 2: of money. But I would probably say that he hopefully

621
00:35:10,920 --> 00:35:15,040
Speaker 2: has some corporate sponsors where he's at minimum breaking even early,

622
00:35:15,160 --> 00:35:17,600
Speaker 2: and he probably can make eventually more money than he

623
00:35:17,680 --> 00:35:21,480
Speaker 2: was making at Fox. Maybe if it hits, but it's

624
00:35:21,480 --> 00:35:24,200
Speaker 2: definitely a gamble, and it's a gamble on yourself. But yeah,

625
00:35:24,239 --> 00:35:26,960
Speaker 2: I mean, there's no reason to make excuses there, and.

626
00:35:27,400 --> 00:35:29,920
Speaker 5: I do think too. I mean, the reason I didn't

627
00:35:29,920 --> 00:35:32,959
Speaker 5: mention it, Doug, is because, as you know, I don't

628
00:35:33,000 --> 00:35:34,880
Speaker 5: like to get into the muck. I don't like to

629
00:35:34,880 --> 00:35:40,440
Speaker 5: get into gossip. I'm not the audience for salaciousness, so

630
00:35:40,480 --> 00:35:43,040
Speaker 5: I would never bring some I'm above bringing this up.

631
00:35:43,920 --> 00:35:48,160
Speaker 5: But but there was the whole I put my network

632
00:35:48,239 --> 00:35:52,480
Speaker 5: in a very unflattering position because in the wake of

633
00:35:52,600 --> 00:35:57,520
Speaker 5: the Skip Bayless Joy Taylor lawsuit, it was revealed that

634
00:35:57,640 --> 00:36:01,560
Speaker 5: I was sleeping with Joy Taylor and that I had

635
00:36:01,600 --> 00:36:05,120
Speaker 5: a lot to do with getting her onto my daily

636
00:36:05,239 --> 00:36:09,960
Speaker 5: show because we slept together reportedly, and she was reportedly

637
00:36:10,000 --> 00:36:13,080
Speaker 5: sleeping with the boss reportedly. I didn't want to bring

638
00:36:13,120 --> 00:36:15,920
Speaker 5: that up, Doug, because frankly, I'm above that. But he

639
00:36:16,000 --> 00:36:18,759
Speaker 5: also didn't mention that in his list of excuses.

640
00:36:19,840 --> 00:36:25,440
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, why didn't you mention that, you know? And

641
00:36:25,520 --> 00:36:28,080
Speaker 2: there was also the I think most of us thought,

642
00:36:28,480 --> 00:36:31,000
Speaker 2: who are in the industry and definitely have worked at Fox,

643
00:36:31,840 --> 00:36:35,440
Speaker 2: that that show was a kind of a mush together

644
00:36:35,520 --> 00:36:38,760
Speaker 2: of a bunch of people whose contracts would expire, which

645
00:36:38,800 --> 00:36:40,960
Speaker 2: meant that it was sort of a nothing show, but

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Speaker 2: they didn't want to get nothing out of it. Which

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Speaker 2: it's a weird way of doing business, but I have

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Speaker 2: seen that business being done several times. Over Look. I

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Speaker 2: can tell you that ESPN has demoted people and re

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Speaker 2: upped them, Like, well, if he demotes somebody, don't love them,

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Speaker 2: why would you re up them and even give them

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Speaker 2: more money? That doesn't make any sense. So it's a

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Speaker 2: really hard industry. I refuse to gick anybody when they're down.

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Speaker 2: I do think that he's still in denial. But you

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Speaker 2: know there's look, there's there's steps to to healing, right,

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Speaker 2: so the five steps and you know at some point

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Speaker 2: he'll get to acceptance. But he's not there yet.

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Speaker 5: Okay, So the Caleb Williams conversation Acho Angel Reese agent predictions.

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Speaker 2: Angel Rees Angel Rees, you know, blatantly throwing her teammates

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Speaker 2: under the bus while then misusing the idea that something

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Speaker 2: could be taken out of context? Is any Why are.

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Speaker 1: We doing this.

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Speaker 5: Because we can now, Doug, I've never done this, but

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Speaker 5: I can imagine how frustrated it would be. I have

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Speaker 5: never been drinking beers and then all of a sudden,

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Speaker 5: someone tells me, you're drinking a non alcoholic beer. I

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Speaker 5: would be infuriated. So Jason Kelsey had an experience with

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Speaker 5: his brother Travis and his brother's fiance Taylor Swift, and

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Speaker 5: it went down like this.

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Speaker 4: I find out that I've been drinking non alcoholic beer

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Speaker 4: the entire game.

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Speaker 2: It is the most amunt of shame I've ever felt myself. Really, yeah,

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Speaker 2: I was just like, the fuck is wrong with you? Jason?

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Speaker 5: Who was the person that captain head?

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Speaker 2: Just so you know Taylor.

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Speaker 4: Because she said Travis had just been doing the same day.

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Speaker 2: Awesome. Well I can play for you. I mean, it's funny.

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Speaker 2: Well I can play for you because we can't. That's

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Speaker 2: it for the end the Bonus Podcast. I got the

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Speaker 2: radio show every day three to five. He's from to Pacific,

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