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Speaker 1: He is mainstreaming fringe ideas, fringe beliefs, fringe thoughts about

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Speaker 1: science that are just not backed up by actual facts

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Speaker 1: and figures, and it is putting kids in harm's way.

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Speaker 1: And ultimately, I still believe this is a suburban nightmare.

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Speaker 1: I think this is an underrated political issue, and I

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Speaker 1: think it's one. I think it's one that Republicans, particularly

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Speaker 1: in Capitol Hill, ought to be a bit more mindful

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Speaker 1: of speaking of things that I think are a weird moment.

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Speaker 1: And I wanted to talk about this a minute because

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Speaker 1: speaking like the Epstein Files, there's another story that I

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Speaker 1: just don't quite care about or get my arms about,

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Speaker 1: but I feel like I have to care about it

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Speaker 1: because I cover politics, and that is this dust up

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Speaker 1: within the world of Magan between Candace Owens, Ben Shapiro,

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Speaker 1: Barry Wise, Megan Kelly, all of this. You know, if

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Speaker 1: you know, you know, but if you don't, you don't.

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Speaker 1: And I consider myself somebody who really doesn't know. But

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Speaker 1: I have to know, so I do my best to

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Speaker 1: follow it pretty closely to try to understand it. But

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Speaker 1: what you're really seeing. And I think the best is

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Speaker 1: sort of what we're watching because a lot of elected

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Speaker 1: Republicans care a lot about what Tucker Carlson is saying,

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Speaker 1: what Candace Owens is saying, or what Megan Kelly is saying,

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Speaker 1: or some folks that are really kind of fringe people

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Speaker 1: to sort of normal Americans, right, the folks that are

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Speaker 1: not obsessed with politics every day. In fact, these are

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Speaker 1: people that have no name. ID was sort of the

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Speaker 1: broad swath of normal voters, right. Maybe they've heard of

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Speaker 1: Tucker Carlson, but Candace Owens, who's that? Right? They may

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Speaker 1: remember Megan Kelly from mainstream media days, Ben Shapiro, Oh,

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Speaker 1: they've seen some things about him, you know, maybe Barry

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Speaker 1: Wise now, But it's sort of these aren't sort of

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Speaker 1: well known figures to sort of a broad swath of

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Speaker 1: the middle. I know this because unlike the story like Epstein,

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Speaker 1: which did penetrate, you know, this story really hasn't penetrated.

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Speaker 1: But I've had a few people try to like, what

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Speaker 1: is this mess? Can you explain this? Candace owns and

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Speaker 1: all this stuff. And I think the best way to

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Speaker 1: think about it is that the MAGA influencer in fighting

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Speaker 1: that we're seeing right now is actually very similar to

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Speaker 1: sort of the relationship between the Democratic Party, say twenty

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Speaker 1: fourteen to twenty twenty two, to the groups, where it

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Speaker 1: felt like the party was more captured by the groups.

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Speaker 1: So if you look at sort of twenty fourteen to

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty two Democrats went through, you might call it

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Speaker 1: a great awokening. Right, the woke movement started to take off,

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Speaker 1: and it appears to be a mirror image of what

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Speaker 1: we're seeing in maga world right now, and especially in Republicans. Right,

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Speaker 1: they're very striking when you compare the groups on the

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Speaker 1: left to the influencers on the right and how they've

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Speaker 1: hijacked the conversation away from the average voter and sort

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Speaker 1: of the same thing that helped Republicans paint Democrats as

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Speaker 1: sort of, man, they're consumed with the groups, they don't

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Speaker 1: really care about you. Well, we're now seeing Republicans are

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Speaker 1: consumed with their influencers. Are they really care about you? Right? So,

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Speaker 1: from in twenty fourteen to twenty twenty two, the Power

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Speaker 1: Center and the Democratic Party were these groups, right, They

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Speaker 1: were the non profits or the activists, NGOs, the academic departments,

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Speaker 1: you know, always coming up, you know, with a new

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Speaker 1: way to described, to describe a group of people as

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Speaker 1: as victims of something. Well, in the right, that power

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Speaker 1: center is independent podcasters, it's X personalities, Twitter personalities, alternative

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Speaker 1: media mobiles, right, like Megan calit And what were these

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Speaker 1: groups trying to do. On the left, Well, they were

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Speaker 1: creating purity tests. Right, if you didn't use the latest terminology, right,

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Speaker 1: Latin X right, that was a creation of the groups,

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Speaker 1: didn't come from the actual Latino community. But if you

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Speaker 1: didn't use it, well you weren't you weren't awoke, you

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Speaker 1: were problematic. Well, on the right, it's sort of more

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Speaker 1: the loyalty test is if you don't believe the latest

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Speaker 1: conspiracy theory. You know, candae Owe's has wanted something to

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Speaker 1: do with Egyptian airplanes stalking the Kirks in some form

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Speaker 1: or another. I mean the point is the more I articulated,

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Speaker 1: the crazier it sounds. And you're like, these people have influence, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: they have influence. If you're not at least buying or

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Speaker 1: just asking questions on the latest conspiracy theory, then you're

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Speaker 1: part of the controlled opposition. You're bought and paid for. Right,

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Speaker 1: could be by the Jews, right, you're bought and paid

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Speaker 1: for by the pharmaceutical companies. You're bought and paid for

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Speaker 1: by the deep state. But that's sort of how that's

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Speaker 1: in the same way. You know, these groups sort of

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Speaker 1: shamed Democrats and what they were doing. Oh you're you know,

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Speaker 1: you're you're you're not woke, you don't really care. It's

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Speaker 1: a similar type of shaming. So what happened, Well, for

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Speaker 1: about ten years, Democratic politicians were petrified of their own

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Speaker 1: activist base. They were petrified of pissing off the groups

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Speaker 1: so that they would back off certain policy solutions because well,

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Speaker 1: the groups won't like that one, even if it was

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Speaker 1: going to be more popular or actually have a better

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Speaker 1: chance of passing. Well, now what you have with these

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Speaker 1: crazy maga influencers. Republican politicians are terrified of their influencer base,

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Speaker 1: and it leads them to entertain some fringe theories that

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Speaker 1: they shouldn't be entertaining and what normal voters find bizarre. So,

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Speaker 1: you know, it's interesting the right is currently late to

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Speaker 1: the party, I guess you could say in terms of

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Speaker 1: institutional capture, right, because for a long time, the Republican

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Speaker 1: Party was a top down organization, the RNC, Fox News,

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Speaker 1: maybe Heritage Foundation A. The structures completely change, right, there's

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Speaker 1: no more referee on the right anymore. In the Obama era,

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Speaker 1: the democratic referees were the activists, some of them were

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Speaker 1: in the media, some of them weren't. On the right.

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Speaker 1: Fox News was basically the referee. Now, if Fox says

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Speaker 1: something that the base doesn't like, the base just switches

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Speaker 1: to crazy right Tucker Carlson's network, Candice owns YouTube, you know,

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Speaker 1: maybe oan or something like that, And there's sort of

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Speaker 1: an incentive for like to find new weird ways to

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Speaker 1: capture the imaginations right. So democratic groups were incentivized to

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Speaker 1: find new forms of systemic oppression to stay relevant. Well,

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Speaker 1: right wing influencers are incentivized to find new conspiracies or

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Speaker 1: hidden truth to keep their subscribers paying. If you just

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Speaker 1: talk about marginal tax rates, you're not going to get

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Speaker 1: five million views. But if you talk about assassination plots

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Speaker 1: and Egyptian airplanes following mega influencers around, hey, guess what

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Speaker 1: you might be able to get five million people. And

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Speaker 1: then try to explain this though to the normal voters

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Speaker 1: right who haven't woke on the left or red pilled

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Speaker 1: on the right. So it did seem as if for

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Speaker 1: a decade, way too many Democratic politicians essentially subcontracted their brain,

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Speaker 1: if you will, to activist groups. Instead of talking to

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Speaker 1: a plumber in Ohio, right, they talked to the head

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Speaker 1: of a racial justice NGO in DC to find out

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Speaker 1: quote what voters wanted. Well, on the right, Republican politicians

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Speaker 1: are subcontracting their brain to influencers, and instead of talking

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Speaker 1: to a small business owner in Florida, they look at

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Speaker 1: what Charlie Kirker Nick Funte's is. You know, what's something

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Speaker 1: that about Charlie Kirk or Erica Kirk or Nick Fluntes

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Speaker 1: is on X to decide what their base may care about.

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Speaker 1: They've convinced themselves that the act somehow, their actual political

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Speaker 1: base cares about what some of these fringe figures think.

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Speaker 1: You know, and there may be a handful of grasstops,

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Speaker 1: but this gets to the feedback loop, right, And the

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Speaker 1: fact is the activists know how to make the politicians

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Speaker 1: seem as if they're hearing from the public when they're

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Speaker 1: really not. They're hearing from organized campaigns, either algorithms or

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Speaker 1: paid or or some sort of paid campaign of sorts,

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Speaker 1: And I have to be honest, there's a whole vacuum

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Speaker 1: here now. And I think in the same way that

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Speaker 1: I think that, I think the democratic attachment to the

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Speaker 1: groups is breaking. It's not broken yet, but I think

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Speaker 1: they're getting they're sobering up here, and you're seeing more

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Speaker 1: Democrats behave a lot more independently, think a little more independently.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if we see that right right now.

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Speaker 1: On the right, they seemed to still be a bit consumed.

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Speaker 1: What does Trump think a bit consumed? What do these

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Speaker 1: influencers think first rather than actually just talking to their

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Speaker 1: voters first on that side, And in that sense, it's

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Speaker 1: a form of audience capture, right And it's pretty clear

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Speaker 1: I think Democrats for about a decade were captured by

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Speaker 1: this wolk left. You saw it in the governance of

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Speaker 1: the first half of the Biden four years, particularly with

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Speaker 1: how they handled the border that was done by groups,

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Speaker 1: that was done so they didn't offend the groups rather

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Speaker 1: than just solving the problem and moving on. They eventually

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Speaker 1: figured out that the groups were wrong about this, but

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Speaker 1: they didn't start that process on the border until about

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Speaker 1: the last year eighteen months of the Biden presidency At

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Speaker 1: this point, I think the rights captured by this crazy right.

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Speaker 1: They're sort of so consumed, they've sort of forgotten the plot,

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Speaker 1: and that's the only reason to pay any attention to

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Speaker 1: what appears to be some sort of circle circular firing

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Speaker 1: squad here. I don't even know who's who stands where

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Speaker 1: anymore between your Candae Sowans, your Tucker Carlsons Berry wise

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Speaker 1: as you're making Kelly, you know, the shots across the bars.

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Speaker 1: There's accusations of anti Semitism here. I think there's some

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Speaker 1: real issues there, don't get me wrong, But it's a

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Speaker 1: It's what it really is. It's just a battle for attention.

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Speaker 1: It's a battle for clicks. So to me, the main

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Speaker 1: players that I'm all talking about here, I don't think

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Speaker 1: any of them are very honest. I think they just

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Speaker 1: simply care about their grift. They care about exploiting the

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Speaker 1: moment for maximum financial gain that they're part of an

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Speaker 1: independent podcasting network that they've developed because they're refugees from

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Speaker 1: what was a more mainstream version of media that they

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Speaker 1: were a part of. Think Tucker Carlson, Megan Kelly or

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Speaker 1: they just want this relevance and they don't like it

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Speaker 1: that Megan Kelly and Tucker Carlson from mainstream media are

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Speaker 1: taken there and they're going, oh yeah, well we can

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Speaker 1: go crazier than candae oms. So it's a I do

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Speaker 1: think it's it's the only reason to pay attention to

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Speaker 1: it is that it is I think, really putting Republicans,

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Speaker 1: you know, sort of the average elected Republican. They they

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Speaker 1: are they're way too consumed with what they're input. This

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Speaker 1: is exactly like what happened on the left. The left

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Speaker 1: got so consumed about the group's think they stopped worrying

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Speaker 1: about what voters think. Well, we now have elected Republicans

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Speaker 1: so consumed about what their influencers think that they've actually

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Speaker 1: forgotten about the voters. And I think that this is

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Speaker 1: something that could, you know, could end up becoming a yet,

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Speaker 1: especially when when the economy is not good, especially when

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Speaker 1: there's job displacement with the I. Instead of focusing on

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Speaker 1: those problems, they've been obsessed with this, right you can

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Speaker 1: it's it goes back to the infamous ad that worked

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Speaker 1: against Kamala Harris. She's for they them, he's for you. Well,

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Speaker 1: in this case, these republic elected Republicans seem to care

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Speaker 1: more about they them on their influencer side than the

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Speaker 1: rest of us in the actual voting electric. All right,

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Speaker 1: with that, I will sneak in a break. As you see,

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Speaker 1: I didn't even get to the whole Kennedy Center business.

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Speaker 1: And I'll tell you why, because you know, this is

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Speaker 1: this is Trump's brilliance with his buffoonery, which is you know,

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Speaker 1: if you if you sort of over index and complain

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Speaker 1: too much, how you put his name on a building

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Speaker 1: and it's on an arts building or it's on the

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Speaker 1: institute a piece, is this really a big deal? You know,

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Speaker 1: don't take your eye off the ball with the voters.

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Speaker 1: Look you. But at the same time, the guy's more

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Speaker 1: obsessed with manufacturing a legacy that is going to get

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Speaker 1: a erased the second he dies, rather than worrying about

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Speaker 1: lowering the cost of groceries for you. So look, I

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Speaker 1: happen to think all this, everything that's been done, all

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Speaker 1: of that, none of it is good politics, ran and

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Speaker 1: all of it is just going to accumulate. It is

640
00:38:31,760 --> 00:38:34,640
Speaker 1: it is one of those things. This is incremental and

641
00:38:34,680 --> 00:38:36,680
Speaker 1: I'm going to just go beat up the same metaphor

642
00:38:36,719 --> 00:38:40,000
Speaker 1: I use quite a bit. It is is this is

643
00:38:40,040 --> 00:38:44,520
Speaker 1: happening slowly until it ends up happening quickly. And we're

644
00:38:44,560 --> 00:38:48,840
Speaker 1: seeing this slow build of a movement that is about

645
00:38:48,880 --> 00:38:51,200
Speaker 1: to come is going. When it crashes, it's going to

646
00:38:51,200 --> 00:38:53,560
Speaker 1: crash hard, and it's going to seem like it happened quickly.

647
00:38:54,120 --> 00:38:55,680
Speaker 1: But we're in the middle of seeing a lot of it.

648
00:38:55,719 --> 00:38:58,520
Speaker 1: Whether it's the influencers becoming their own version of a

649
00:38:58,600 --> 00:39:03,319
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650
00:39:03,360 --> 00:39:08,080
Speaker 1: touch with the average person. Right, that's happening. You've got

651
00:39:08,200 --> 00:39:11,080
Speaker 1: Trump so consumed with his own ego that he has

652
00:39:11,200 --> 00:39:14,080
Speaker 1: stopped worrying of being a populist for the people that

653
00:39:16,239 --> 00:39:18,759
Speaker 1: he said were the forgotten men and women of America.

654
00:39:18,920 --> 00:39:21,160
Speaker 1: He apparently has forgotten them when he thinks about life

655
00:39:21,200 --> 00:39:24,400
Speaker 1: at the Kennedy Center. All of this is accumulating, and

656
00:39:24,480 --> 00:39:28,120
Speaker 1: it may look slow, and it's a drip here and

657
00:39:28,160 --> 00:39:31,799
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Speaker 1: go into the podcast time Machine for our little history

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Speaker 1: lesson of the week, and we are going back to

685
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Speaker 1: December twenty sixth, nineteen ninety one. For a reminder. How

686
00:41:15,400 --> 00:41:20,120
Speaker 1: do I pick my historical deep dives for the toodcast

687
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Speaker 1: time Machine. I just look at the week we are

688
00:41:22,840 --> 00:41:26,680
Speaker 1: in and look back in history for essentially this week

689
00:41:26,719 --> 00:41:29,919
Speaker 1: in history, but instead of calling it this week in history,

690
00:41:29,960 --> 00:41:31,520
Speaker 1: you do the podcast time Machine. So we're going back

691
00:41:31,520 --> 00:41:34,640
Speaker 1: to December twenty sixth, nineteen ninety one. It's pretty momentous

692
00:41:34,760 --> 00:41:37,520
Speaker 1: day in world history. It was the day that the

693
00:41:37,560 --> 00:41:43,239
Speaker 1: Soviet Union formally dissolved, officially ending the Cold War. On

694
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Speaker 1: December twenty seventh, Mikhail Gorbachev resigned as leader of said

695
00:41:48,360 --> 00:41:53,960
Speaker 1: Soviet Union, and so we thought the end of history.

696
00:41:54,640 --> 00:41:58,040
Speaker 1: But it's actually a pretty good reminder, and it's actually

697
00:41:58,040 --> 00:42:03,480
Speaker 1: go dovetails pretty well with the time machine episode. We

698
00:42:03,520 --> 00:42:05,160
Speaker 1: did a couple of weeks ago on the fall of

699
00:42:05,200 --> 00:42:09,160
Speaker 1: the Ottoman Empire, and how you know, some things are

700
00:42:09,200 --> 00:42:12,320
Speaker 1: still not resolved. Okay, And in the fall of the

701
00:42:12,360 --> 00:42:14,560
Speaker 1: Ottoman Empire and World War One, we haven't resolved War

702
00:42:14,600 --> 00:42:17,040
Speaker 1: War one. We resolved World War two more than we've

703
00:42:17,120 --> 00:42:20,280
Speaker 1: resolved World War One. Well, the collapse of the Soviet Union,

704
00:42:20,800 --> 00:42:25,400
Speaker 1: I would argue, is still unresolved. Right it is? It

705
00:42:25,480 --> 00:42:28,440
Speaker 1: is too I could it is too soon to declare

706
00:42:29,040 --> 00:42:33,960
Speaker 1: whether it was an historical positive or an historical negative.

707
00:42:34,000 --> 00:42:36,040
Speaker 1: Why do I say that, Well, let me let's go

708
00:42:36,160 --> 00:42:38,680
Speaker 1: back down. Let's go into the rabbit hole that is

709
00:42:38,719 --> 00:42:42,359
Speaker 1: the collapse of the Soviet Union. So it's late ninety

710
00:42:42,400 --> 00:42:44,960
Speaker 1: and the Soviet flag comes down over the Kremlin. The

711
00:42:45,000 --> 00:42:48,680
Speaker 1: Cold War ended, not with a bang, not with a war,

712
00:42:49,000 --> 00:42:53,279
Speaker 1: but simply with a resignation, right for Mikhail Gorbachev, and

713
00:42:53,320 --> 00:42:56,040
Speaker 1: we all exhaled because for the first time in nearly

714
00:42:56,080 --> 00:42:59,239
Speaker 1: half a century, Americans, we're going to go into a

715
00:42:59,239 --> 00:43:02,120
Speaker 1: new year without a superpower rival staring us down. No

716
00:43:02,280 --> 00:43:07,239
Speaker 1: nuclear brinksmanship, no ideological stand up, no Berlin Wall. I

717
00:43:07,320 --> 00:43:12,120
Speaker 1: mean I had, by the way, I had matchbox cars

718
00:43:12,160 --> 00:43:15,680
Speaker 1: that were made in West Germany. Okay, So for me,

719
00:43:16,120 --> 00:43:20,000
Speaker 1: my fifty three years on this planet, this is still

720
00:43:20,120 --> 00:43:24,399
Speaker 1: a monumental and unbelievable event, especially when you're raised one

721
00:43:24,480 --> 00:43:31,080
Speaker 1: way and all of a sudden everything is new. But

722
00:43:31,719 --> 00:43:34,759
Speaker 1: all of this felt final, right, It felt resolved. It

723
00:43:34,800 --> 00:43:38,719
Speaker 1: felt like history chose a winner. Francis Fukuyama famously even

724
00:43:38,760 --> 00:43:40,880
Speaker 1: called it the end of history. We'll get into that

725
00:43:41,000 --> 00:43:43,960
Speaker 1: actually in my time machine segment here. But as it

726
00:43:43,960 --> 00:43:47,400
Speaker 1: turns out, we were not witnessing the end of anything.

727
00:43:48,239 --> 00:43:50,920
Speaker 1: It was essentially the end of the first act. It

728
00:43:50,960 --> 00:43:54,439
Speaker 1: was arguably the be the end of the beginning, as

729
00:43:54,480 --> 00:43:56,480
Speaker 1: they say, and I don't know if we're now at

730
00:43:56,480 --> 00:44:00,000
Speaker 1: the beginning of the end. So when the Subby Union

731
00:44:00,080 --> 00:44:03,799
Speaker 1: formally dissolved on December twenty sixth, nineteen ninety one, the

732
00:44:03,880 --> 00:44:06,920
Speaker 1: dominant emotion in the West wasn't fear. It was confidence.

733
00:44:07,880 --> 00:44:13,240
Speaker 1: Communism had failed, market capitalism had won. Small l small

734
00:44:13,320 --> 00:44:17,719
Speaker 1: d liberal democracy stood alone. The liberal Democrats won, and

735
00:44:17,760 --> 00:44:21,799
Speaker 1: that confidence found its most famous intellectual expression in the

736
00:44:21,800 --> 00:44:26,040
Speaker 1: work of Francis Fuguiyama, whose argument popularized by the headline

737
00:44:26,280 --> 00:44:30,960
Speaker 1: that was the end of history. Sometimes headlines can warp

738
00:44:31,040 --> 00:44:35,000
Speaker 1: a perception of very detailed analysis, but it did capture

739
00:44:35,040 --> 00:44:37,520
Speaker 1: the mood of the moment right there. Is no more

740
00:44:37,680 --> 00:44:41,080
Speaker 1: historical fight over authoritarianism or democracy. Democracy was the winner,

741
00:44:41,680 --> 00:44:44,560
Speaker 1: And that is what he was arguing in that sense,

742
00:44:44,640 --> 00:44:48,920
Speaker 1: is that there wasn't He was essentially saying, wasn't going

743
00:44:49,000 --> 00:44:50,960
Speaker 1: to be the end of history, maybe even the end

744
00:44:50,960 --> 00:44:55,360
Speaker 1: of authoritarianism, but there was no more legitimate ideological rival

745
00:44:55,840 --> 00:45:00,800
Speaker 1: to liberal democracy. But I did a lot of people

746
00:45:00,920 --> 00:45:04,680
Speaker 1: here instead. Hey, the hard part is over. The direction

747
00:45:04,719 --> 00:45:08,640
Speaker 1: of history is settled, and what comes next is just implementation.

748
00:45:09,560 --> 00:45:13,360
Speaker 1: You know, once we introduce democracy fully in Russia, piece

749
00:45:13,360 --> 00:45:18,000
Speaker 1: of cake. Unfortunately, when you think that way, you stop

750
00:45:18,480 --> 00:45:21,440
Speaker 1: asking certain questions, right, And one of the biggest mistakes

751
00:45:21,800 --> 00:45:23,920
Speaker 1: I think that we made in the early nineteen nineties

752
00:45:23,960 --> 00:45:25,920
Speaker 1: was treating the Soviet Union like it was simply a

753
00:45:25,920 --> 00:45:30,239
Speaker 1: failed state, one country. It wasn't. This was a collapsed empire,

754
00:45:30,719 --> 00:45:34,600
Speaker 1: allah the fall of the Ottoman Empire. Empire collapses don't

755
00:45:34,640 --> 00:45:40,640
Speaker 1: behave like regime changes. They actually behave like massive earthquakes. Right,

756
00:45:40,719 --> 00:45:44,680
Speaker 1: there's all sorts of aftershocks. Borders will move faster than

757
00:45:44,719 --> 00:45:49,360
Speaker 1: identities do. Institutions disappear faster than replacements can be built

758
00:45:49,560 --> 00:45:51,640
Speaker 1: because of this large structure. That's what we saw at

759
00:45:51,640 --> 00:45:53,400
Speaker 1: the fall of the Ottoman Empire in the Middle East.

760
00:45:53,560 --> 00:45:55,360
Speaker 1: That's what we saw the fall of the Soviet Union,

761
00:45:55,719 --> 00:45:59,920
Speaker 1: and the humiliation often outweighs the liberation. It's not like

762
00:46:00,080 --> 00:46:03,400
Speaker 1: people the humiliation of the Soviet Union or the former

763
00:46:03,440 --> 00:46:10,399
Speaker 1: Soviet Union, particularly Russia, didn't necessarily lead to euphoria there.

764
00:46:10,880 --> 00:46:13,239
Speaker 1: And so that's why I think the better. You know,

765
00:46:13,280 --> 00:46:15,360
Speaker 1: we sort of treated the fall of the Soviet Union

766
00:46:15,400 --> 00:46:18,640
Speaker 1: like the post war Germany or post war Japan, when

767
00:46:18,640 --> 00:46:21,520
Speaker 1: it really should have been treated like the Ottoman Empire.

768
00:46:21,560 --> 00:46:23,799
Speaker 1: Then again, we didn't do that one right either, right,

769
00:46:24,360 --> 00:46:28,040
Speaker 1: so we had new nations with weak institutions of former

770
00:46:28,040 --> 00:46:32,120
Speaker 1: Soviet republics. There was deep resentment in the former Imperial

771
00:46:32,200 --> 00:46:35,200
Speaker 1: Corps because they'd lost their status. So, you know, Russians

772
00:46:35,239 --> 00:46:38,840
Speaker 1: weren't all enthusiastic about this, as we know, as Vladimir

773
00:46:38,920 --> 00:46:44,040
Speaker 1: Putin did this day professes, and we've had decades of

774
00:46:44,080 --> 00:46:49,239
Speaker 1: instability before anything that's resembled small de democratic normalcy which

775
00:46:49,280 --> 00:46:51,960
Speaker 1: has emerged. It's happened in a few places, but it's

776
00:46:52,000 --> 00:46:55,239
Speaker 1: still fledgling, right. You know, it's better in your Estonias

777
00:46:55,640 --> 00:46:58,239
Speaker 1: and in your Polands, it's less so even in your

778
00:46:58,360 --> 00:47:02,840
Speaker 1: Ukraine's not good and hungry certainly terrible in Russia. On

779
00:47:02,880 --> 00:47:07,520
Speaker 1: the Ottoman Empire, the best you know post fall story

780
00:47:07,640 --> 00:47:12,000
Speaker 1: is Turkey, and that's not exactly a great story. And

781
00:47:12,040 --> 00:47:14,480
Speaker 1: in fact, it had its ups and downs. Even after

782
00:47:14,560 --> 00:47:16,600
Speaker 1: the fall of the empire. It took us, there was

783
00:47:16,640 --> 00:47:23,000
Speaker 1: a coup, there was another collapse. So it was this

784
00:47:24,520 --> 00:47:27,440
Speaker 1: we should have realized this was not going to be

785
00:47:27,680 --> 00:47:33,200
Speaker 1: a straight line and so, but it doesn't introduce the

786
00:47:33,280 --> 00:47:36,840
Speaker 1: question why is democracy not taken in Russia? Right? And

787
00:47:37,320 --> 00:47:39,560
Speaker 1: there's always been this sense of well, if if a

788
00:47:39,600 --> 00:47:42,440
Speaker 1: society doesn't have a history of it, it's not going

789
00:47:42,520 --> 00:47:46,279
Speaker 1: to work that they You're going to have a few

790
00:47:46,400 --> 00:47:52,920
Speaker 1: sort of false starts, right, But the question is that

791
00:47:52,960 --> 00:47:55,239
Speaker 1: the people or was it structural? And I think there's

792
00:47:55,280 --> 00:47:57,879
Speaker 1: a good argument here on structure. Look, there wasn't any

793
00:47:57,920 --> 00:48:01,560
Speaker 1: democratic muscle memory, right, that was a big problem. Okay,

794
00:48:02,400 --> 00:48:05,400
Speaker 1: not easy. I think Poland had a better shot because

795
00:48:05,400 --> 00:48:09,360
Speaker 1: you had an opposition, right Lequalessa was the opposition, but

796
00:48:09,440 --> 00:48:11,200
Speaker 1: it was an opposition in some ways, it was like

797
00:48:11,360 --> 00:48:15,479
Speaker 1: a government in exile. So there was you could sort

798
00:48:15,480 --> 00:48:18,840
Speaker 1: of see how a democracy would work. There'd be a

799
00:48:18,920 --> 00:48:25,839
Speaker 1: debate and such. But you know, that's may explain why

800
00:48:25,880 --> 00:48:29,960
Speaker 1: Poland worked in Russia didn't. The other part is there

801
00:48:30,000 --> 00:48:32,440
Speaker 1: was no tradition of independent courts in a lot of

802
00:48:32,480 --> 00:48:35,320
Speaker 1: these places, There was no free media, and they hadn't

803
00:48:35,360 --> 00:48:39,200
Speaker 1: had a history of peaceful transfers of power. You also

804
00:48:39,239 --> 00:48:43,160
Speaker 1: had an economic collapse that was taking place even as

805
00:48:43,200 --> 00:48:45,400
Speaker 1: they were trying. The West was trying to help with

806
00:48:45,560 --> 00:48:50,040
Speaker 1: so called reform. But what happened was the quick privatization

807
00:48:50,840 --> 00:48:53,280
Speaker 1: of the Soviet sort of public markets to the private

808
00:48:53,360 --> 00:48:58,080
Speaker 1: markets essentially created oligarchs, not a middle class. Right, Wealthy

809
00:48:58,120 --> 00:49:00,480
Speaker 1: people were just sort of created out of thin air,

810
00:49:01,120 --> 00:49:02,960
Speaker 1: very similar to what we saw in the fall of

811
00:49:02,960 --> 00:49:06,560
Speaker 1: the Ottoman Empire. Right, you get a king kingdom, you

812
00:49:06,600 --> 00:49:09,399
Speaker 1: get a kingdom, you don't get a king. This tribe here,

813
00:49:09,480 --> 00:49:12,200
Speaker 1: this tribe there, Yes, this tribe here, this tribe here,

814
00:49:12,239 --> 00:49:15,560
Speaker 1: and no. Right, you run the oil company, will make

815
00:49:15,640 --> 00:49:18,640
Speaker 1: you wealthy and rich and will privatize it's all yours.

816
00:49:18,680 --> 00:49:21,480
Speaker 1: You do this. Sorry, No, So what happened. You created

817
00:49:21,520 --> 00:49:24,320
Speaker 1: super wealthy people, but you never created a middle class.

818
00:49:24,360 --> 00:49:28,200
Speaker 1: It didn't you know, actual free market capitalism. You know,

819
00:49:28,239 --> 00:49:30,520
Speaker 1: you sort of go from zero to wealthy and you

820
00:49:30,560 --> 00:49:32,640
Speaker 1: sort of earn your way up there. When you just

821
00:49:32,680 --> 00:49:38,399
Speaker 1: sort of get handed it, there's no appreciation, there's there's

822
00:49:38,440 --> 00:49:40,640
Speaker 1: just no you know, then you end up running it

823
00:49:40,680 --> 00:49:43,920
Speaker 1: the way the only way you knew how it was

824
00:49:44,000 --> 00:49:46,920
Speaker 1: run when you were in charge as an apparatchic of

825
00:49:47,640 --> 00:49:52,840
Speaker 1: right the Communist Party. And so what happened the average Russian?

826
00:49:53,640 --> 00:49:56,759
Speaker 1: They thought, this is democracy a bunch of oligarchs. So

827
00:49:56,800 --> 00:49:59,840
Speaker 1: instead of one dictator threatening gulag, we now have all

828
00:49:59,880 --> 00:50:03,640
Speaker 1: the these rich people who are just basically ripping off

829
00:50:03,680 --> 00:50:07,920
Speaker 1: the government. So it's no wonder that they didn't fully

830
00:50:07,920 --> 00:50:11,600
Speaker 1: buy into democracy as much as say we did here

831
00:50:11,600 --> 00:50:14,239
Speaker 1: in the United States, which of course, oh by the way,

832
00:50:14,880 --> 00:50:16,840
Speaker 1: took quite a bit of time before we became a

833
00:50:16,880 --> 00:50:19,560
Speaker 1: full democracy. Arguably it took us all the way. Our

834
00:50:19,600 --> 00:50:21,640
Speaker 1: founding was in seventeen seventy six. We didn't become a

835
00:50:21,680 --> 00:50:27,880
Speaker 1: full multi ethnic democracy until nineteen sixty five. It's an

836
00:50:27,880 --> 00:50:32,560
Speaker 1: important fact that we sometimes forget when we criticize the

837
00:50:32,600 --> 00:50:35,560
Speaker 1: inability of other countries to hurry up and have democracy

838
00:50:36,440 --> 00:50:45,279
Speaker 1: ten years after an authoritarian regime falls. So I think

839
00:50:45,320 --> 00:50:49,319
Speaker 1: you had millions of Russians who didn't believe that boy,

840
00:50:50,200 --> 00:50:52,360
Speaker 1: these first few years of democracy don't look like we

841
00:50:52,360 --> 00:50:55,000
Speaker 1: don't look any good to them. They're just creating rich dictators.

842
00:50:55,360 --> 00:50:59,960
Speaker 1: And then the third sort of issue was the imperial

843
00:51:00,120 --> 00:51:05,279
Speaker 1: identity didn't disappear, right, it just sort of and how

844
00:51:05,320 --> 00:51:09,799
Speaker 1: do we know this? See Vladimir Putin. And you also

845
00:51:09,840 --> 00:51:12,440
Speaker 1: had some weirdness because of the way the Soviet Union

846
00:51:12,560 --> 00:51:15,080
Speaker 1: Russians went and moved to other places. So you had

847
00:51:15,080 --> 00:51:18,439
Speaker 1: this sort of a lot of ethnic Russians who woke

848
00:51:18,560 --> 00:51:23,760
Speaker 1: up suddenly outside of Russia's borders, right, former client states

849
00:51:23,920 --> 00:51:30,640
Speaker 1: suddenly became sovereign neighbors, and it just it just became

850
00:51:31,560 --> 00:51:35,000
Speaker 1: it sapped the identity. And I think we we didn't

851
00:51:35,040 --> 00:51:41,400
Speaker 1: fully appreciate that a dictator or somebody with some charisma

852
00:51:41,440 --> 00:51:45,759
Speaker 1: could quickly exploit that loss of identity, right, And we've

853
00:51:45,800 --> 00:51:48,319
Speaker 1: seen when you feel like you lose identity, you're more

854
00:51:48,560 --> 00:51:54,160
Speaker 1: likely to you know, not be a fan of democracy

855
00:51:54,200 --> 00:51:59,120
Speaker 1: and instead follow a follow a charismatic leader who will

856
00:51:59,200 --> 00:52:03,839
Speaker 1: who will bring this back to you. So there were

857
00:52:03,840 --> 00:52:06,640
Speaker 1: a few mistakes I think in hindsight that we didn't

858
00:52:07,160 --> 00:52:10,040
Speaker 1: fully understand. Right. So the first choice that still defined

859
00:52:10,080 --> 00:52:11,719
Speaker 1: some of the debates that we're having today with the

860
00:52:11,760 --> 00:52:13,800
Speaker 1: fall of the Soviet Union. Was the expansion of NATO

861
00:52:14,239 --> 00:52:19,719
Speaker 1: in the nineties. It was Eastern European nations that wanted

862
00:52:19,760 --> 00:52:24,480
Speaker 1: it on NATO because they feared Russia essentially reformulating into

863
00:52:24,520 --> 00:52:27,560
Speaker 1: an empire again. So you had Poland, Hungary, the Czech Republic,

864
00:52:29,840 --> 00:52:33,000
Speaker 1: you know, their long history is of a very hostile

865
00:52:33,080 --> 00:52:37,360
Speaker 1: Russia as a neighbor, and they wanted some security, so

866
00:52:37,840 --> 00:52:41,480
Speaker 1: they wanted in on NATO. And you know, there was

867
00:52:41,520 --> 00:52:43,920
Speaker 1: a lot of people on the pro NATO side had thought, okay,

868
00:52:44,000 --> 00:52:46,920
Speaker 1: bringing NATO, bringing these countries into NATO will lock in

869
00:52:47,000 --> 00:52:49,879
Speaker 1: democratic reforms in these countries, which for the most part

870
00:52:49,920 --> 00:52:54,080
Speaker 1: it actually did. Prevents a security vacuum, which in those

871
00:52:54,280 --> 00:52:56,880
Speaker 1: and many of the countries it did, and reassure nations

872
00:52:56,880 --> 00:52:59,520
Speaker 1: that had been invaded before. But there were some warnings.

873
00:52:59,560 --> 00:53:03,160
Speaker 1: George can Right, who was famous to be the architect

874
00:53:03,160 --> 00:53:07,800
Speaker 1: of the Cold War containment strategy, he'd argued that NATO

875
00:53:07,840 --> 00:53:10,640
Speaker 1: expansion would be a tragic mistake and he believed it

876
00:53:10,640 --> 00:53:13,200
Speaker 1: would humiliate Russia at its weakest moment, that that was

877
00:53:13,640 --> 00:53:17,479
Speaker 1: a mistake, it would strengthen nationalistic forces. Well we've seen

878
00:53:17,520 --> 00:53:20,240
Speaker 1: that that has been true, and it would redefine Russia

879
00:53:20,239 --> 00:53:23,400
Speaker 1: as a permanent outsider. Now, there were those pro NATO

880
00:53:23,440 --> 00:53:26,399
Speaker 1: expansionists who thought someday Russia might be a part of NATO,

881
00:53:27,120 --> 00:53:29,759
Speaker 1: and a small, d democratic Russia would indeed be a

882
00:53:29,760 --> 00:53:32,600
Speaker 1: part of NATO. Hey, guess what, we're thirty years in.

883
00:53:32,680 --> 00:53:36,400
Speaker 1: Anything can happen, Okay, It's not as if any of

884
00:53:36,480 --> 00:53:39,600
Speaker 1: us thought that the former Yugoslavia would just disappear off

885
00:53:39,640 --> 00:53:41,720
Speaker 1: the face of the earth. Right, so these things happen.

886
00:53:44,080 --> 00:53:45,840
Speaker 1: The other decision that came in the wake of the

887
00:53:45,880 --> 00:53:48,080
Speaker 1: fall of the Soviet Union was the decision by Ukraine

888
00:53:48,080 --> 00:53:50,640
Speaker 1: to give up its news which now I wonder how

889
00:53:50,640 --> 00:53:55,319
Speaker 1: many Ukrainians think this was a mistake. Ukraine possessed at

890
00:53:55,320 --> 00:53:59,040
Speaker 1: one time the world's third largest nuclear arsenal, but under

891
00:53:59,040 --> 00:54:01,799
Speaker 1: the Buddhapest member and Amid agreed that if they got

892
00:54:01,880 --> 00:54:04,680
Speaker 1: rid of essentially got rid of their nukes, they would

893
00:54:04,719 --> 00:54:09,200
Speaker 1: receive security assurances. But they didn't get binding guarantees. That

894
00:54:09,239 --> 00:54:11,719
Speaker 1: would be a problem, right, you want the guarantee on

895
00:54:11,760 --> 00:54:17,280
Speaker 1: the box, as my friend and Tommy Boy once said. So, look,

896
00:54:17,400 --> 00:54:21,080
Speaker 1: we were all in favor of non proliferation. The fall

897
00:54:21,160 --> 00:54:23,760
Speaker 1: of the Soviet Union made everybody feel as if nuclear

898
00:54:23,800 --> 00:54:27,680
Speaker 1: confrontation was going away anyway. So the fear was loose nukes,

899
00:54:28,120 --> 00:54:32,279
Speaker 1: and so the fear was, hey, consolidate, get his try

900
00:54:32,320 --> 00:54:36,360
Speaker 1: to get these weapons out of these sort of smaller

901
00:54:37,000 --> 00:54:40,839
Speaker 1: former Russian Soviet republics, because you didn't want this stuff

902
00:54:40,960 --> 00:54:42,960
Speaker 1: ending up in the black market, ending up in the

903
00:54:43,000 --> 00:54:51,200
Speaker 1: hands of non state actors, etc. And it seemed to

904
00:54:51,239 --> 00:54:56,360
Speaker 1: make sense on arguably now and till Ukraine was invaded

905
00:54:56,360 --> 00:55:00,839
Speaker 1: by Russia. Right that suddenly now seems like how it

906
00:55:00,920 --> 00:55:04,000
Speaker 1: was done Now, part of it was looks like Ukraine

907
00:55:04,040 --> 00:55:06,600
Speaker 1: didn't ask for enough in return. You give up nukes,

908
00:55:06,840 --> 00:55:11,480
Speaker 1: NATO membership, hard stop Right, That ultimately, in hindsight, should

909
00:55:11,480 --> 00:55:15,239
Speaker 1: have been what the deal was. So what did the

910
00:55:15,320 --> 00:55:18,720
Speaker 1: end of history really cost us? Well, the biggest mistake

911
00:55:18,800 --> 00:55:22,080
Speaker 1: wasn't NATO expansion, It wasn't Ukraine's nuclear decision, It wasn't

912
00:55:22,120 --> 00:55:25,640
Speaker 1: even the economic shock. The mistake was assuming that direction

913
00:55:25,800 --> 00:55:30,640
Speaker 1: was destiny. We confused the absence of our ideological rival

914
00:55:31,000 --> 00:55:35,920
Speaker 1: with the presence of stability. We treated legitimacy as an inevitability,

915
00:55:36,440 --> 00:55:39,960
Speaker 1: and we underestimated how long it takes societies not systems,

916
00:55:40,000 --> 00:55:45,400
Speaker 1: but societies to change. Even Fukuyama himself acknowledged that nationalism, identity,

917
00:55:45,400 --> 00:55:48,760
Speaker 1: and power politics never disappeared. They just simply went dormant.

918
00:55:49,360 --> 00:55:51,239
Speaker 1: And that's what we've seen, right, We're seeing a rise

919
00:55:51,239 --> 00:55:54,440
Speaker 1: of nationalism that looks like we're repeating the nineteen twenties

920
00:55:54,480 --> 00:55:57,520
Speaker 1: and thirties here in this country and in Europe and

921
00:55:57,600 --> 00:56:01,600
Speaker 1: frankly around the world. A reminder this stuff is dormant.

922
00:56:01,760 --> 00:56:05,400
Speaker 1: It never goes away. So it's a reminder that history

923
00:56:05,400 --> 00:56:12,880
Speaker 1: as a way, histories don't necessarily end, right, It's that

924
00:56:13,040 --> 00:56:17,040
Speaker 1: we just sort of stopped chronicling on him sometimes. And

925
00:56:17,080 --> 00:56:19,000
Speaker 1: this is where I want to leave you in that

926
00:56:19,080 --> 00:56:22,839
Speaker 1: this story isn't finished. We are very bad at recognizing

927
00:56:22,880 --> 00:56:25,560
Speaker 1: where we are in the story while we're living in it.

928
00:56:26,560 --> 00:56:30,520
Speaker 1: Take France, they failed at democracy repeatedly before succeeding. Right,

929
00:56:30,520 --> 00:56:33,400
Speaker 1: France was an empire at one point Napoleon et cetera.

930
00:56:33,960 --> 00:56:38,879
Speaker 1: Germany's first democratic experiment collapsed catastrophically. The weim are republic right,

931
00:56:39,080 --> 00:56:42,360
Speaker 1: even the United States, we required a civil war, reconstruction,

932
00:56:43,200 --> 00:56:46,839
Speaker 1: multiple interventions, a constitutional Memen to give women the right

933
00:56:46,880 --> 00:56:49,120
Speaker 1: to vote. Right, we had all sorts of things we

934
00:56:49,160 --> 00:56:53,200
Speaker 1: had to do before we could succeed as a democracy.

935
00:56:54,120 --> 00:56:58,000
Speaker 1: So we're now thirty years, right, a little more than

936
00:56:58,040 --> 00:57:02,000
Speaker 1: thirty years after the collapse of the so Union. And

937
00:57:02,040 --> 00:57:03,600
Speaker 1: when you could look at it one way you said, boy,

938
00:57:03,600 --> 00:57:05,359
Speaker 1: that was a failure. You could look at them another way.

939
00:57:05,400 --> 00:57:09,719
Speaker 1: It's more successful than a failure. Or you could just

940
00:57:09,719 --> 00:57:14,280
Speaker 1: say to yourself, do you judge history on a single generation?

941
00:57:15,400 --> 00:57:18,640
Speaker 1: Because what if the following happens? What if in another

942
00:57:18,680 --> 00:57:22,880
Speaker 1: thirty years this period looks like a painful but necessary transition.

943
00:57:23,440 --> 00:57:26,960
Speaker 1: If in another thirty years Russia is a stable democracy

944
00:57:27,520 --> 00:57:32,760
Speaker 1: just like Germany. I mean, imagine asking Americans in nineteen

945
00:57:32,880 --> 00:57:39,080
Speaker 1: forty four and telling them that Germany would be this robust, small,

946
00:57:39,160 --> 00:57:45,800
Speaker 1: de democratic leader of Europe in partnership with France in

947
00:57:45,840 --> 00:57:51,200
Speaker 1: the UK right. It would have seemed unbelievable to Americans

948
00:57:51,200 --> 00:57:55,280
Speaker 1: in nineteen forty four, let alone Europeans right, and essentially

949
00:57:55,360 --> 00:57:58,560
Speaker 1: within two generations that is what happened, and were only

950
00:57:58,640 --> 00:58:01,680
Speaker 1: one generation removed the fall of the Soviet Union. So

951
00:58:01,720 --> 00:58:05,560
Speaker 1: it's likely we're in the middle of this and I'd

952
00:58:05,600 --> 00:58:08,400
Speaker 1: like to I hope to see the end of this story,

953
00:58:08,840 --> 00:58:10,440
Speaker 1: but I don't think we've seen the end of this story.

954
00:58:10,640 --> 00:58:12,960
Speaker 1: It's likely that my son and daughter will see the

955
00:58:13,080 --> 00:58:16,160
Speaker 1: end of this story. It's also possible we see a

956
00:58:16,200 --> 00:58:21,680
Speaker 1: re emergence of another empire before we have another another

957
00:58:21,720 --> 00:58:27,160
Speaker 1: shot at a democracy. Look, Germany went through this multiple times,

958
00:58:27,320 --> 00:58:30,840
Speaker 1: France went through this multiple times, and again so did we.

959
00:58:31,800 --> 00:58:36,120
Speaker 1: So it's thirty plus years. The fall of the Soviet

960
00:58:36,200 --> 00:58:39,720
Speaker 1: Union wasn't the end of history. It was literally a pivot.

961
00:58:40,160 --> 00:58:42,920
Speaker 1: It was another It was a fork in the road,

962
00:58:44,200 --> 00:58:50,240
Speaker 1: and we went down the democracy fork pretty strongly. We're

963
00:58:50,320 --> 00:58:54,360
Speaker 1: drifting right now. There is an authoritarian movement lurking out there,

964
00:58:54,560 --> 00:58:58,320
Speaker 1: but we're also only thirty years removed. And if things

965
00:58:58,360 --> 00:59:01,760
Speaker 1: turn out to be in a more small, d democratic

966
00:59:01,800 --> 00:59:04,960
Speaker 1: place around the world in the next thirty to fifty years,

967
00:59:05,840 --> 00:59:07,880
Speaker 1: than this period that we're all living in the moment

968
00:59:07,920 --> 00:59:13,560
Speaker 1: that feels very unstable will simply be seen as oh,

969
00:59:13,600 --> 00:59:15,600
Speaker 1: just a couple of bumps in the road on the

970
00:59:15,720 --> 00:59:22,240
Speaker 1: way to what was the ultimate destiny. So there you go.

971
00:59:23,320 --> 00:59:26,240
Speaker 1: Here's your history lesson and the Toddcast time machine for

972
00:59:26,360 --> 00:59:31,720
Speaker 1: this week. There's a reason results matter more than promises,

973
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974
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975
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976
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977
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979
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981
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982
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983
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991
01:00:31,360 --> 01:00:37,680
Speaker 1: So that let's get a few questions as Chuck. First

992
01:00:37,720 --> 01:00:40,960
Speaker 1: question comes from Randall from across the Atlantic. Any rights,

993
01:00:41,160 --> 01:00:44,360
Speaker 1: Hey check. I'm a butcher and barbecue enthusiast from Europe

994
01:00:44,440 --> 01:00:46,880
Speaker 1: and your podcast is part of my weekly routine. Working

995
01:00:46,880 --> 01:00:49,080
Speaker 1: with food and people reminds me how much community, trust

996
01:00:49,120 --> 01:00:52,000
Speaker 1: and shared traditions matter, especially around Christmas. So my question is,

997
01:00:52,120 --> 01:00:53,959
Speaker 1: what do you think is historically made the bond between

998
01:00:53,960 --> 01:00:55,480
Speaker 1: the US and Europe so strong? And why does it

999
01:00:55,520 --> 01:00:57,840
Speaker 1: feel like such a loss that we're letting that connection

1000
01:00:57,920 --> 01:01:00,240
Speaker 1: fade at a time when the world needs more shared

1001
01:01:00,280 --> 01:01:02,680
Speaker 1: values and good will. Greetings from Leiden in the Netherlands

1002
01:01:02,840 --> 01:01:05,680
Speaker 1: from what may be your most loyal barbecue loving butcher

1003
01:01:05,720 --> 01:01:08,520
Speaker 1: across the Atlantic. I love that, and I'd love to

1004
01:01:08,520 --> 01:01:13,080
Speaker 1: be trying some Nordic barbecue. Go to northern Europe for barbecue.

1005
01:01:13,120 --> 01:01:16,760
Speaker 1: I love this. Who's to say you can't cook over

1006
01:01:16,800 --> 01:01:21,560
Speaker 1: a hot flame with some good sauces anywhere around this globe.

1007
01:01:22,120 --> 01:01:24,200
Speaker 1: It's interesting. Look, I think it's obvious why we have

1008
01:01:25,080 --> 01:01:27,760
Speaker 1: why we should feel as if we have more shared values?

1009
01:01:28,640 --> 01:01:32,000
Speaker 1: Right it was we were are. The first rounds of

1010
01:01:32,000 --> 01:01:36,160
Speaker 1: immigrants into this country came from Europe, right all over Europe.

1011
01:01:36,160 --> 01:01:39,160
Speaker 1: First Western Europe, then we sort of moved to Central Europe.

1012
01:01:39,160 --> 01:01:41,520
Speaker 1: Then it became Eastern Europe, et cetera. Right, And in

1013
01:01:41,560 --> 01:01:44,200
Speaker 1: some ways, this whole thing has always moved around the globe.

1014
01:01:44,200 --> 01:01:48,160
Speaker 1: America's been at first a magnet for Europe. Then it

1015
01:01:48,240 --> 01:01:51,800
Speaker 1: became a magnet, you know, all of the Americas were

1016
01:01:51,800 --> 01:01:55,160
Speaker 1: a magnet for Europe, by the way, right, South America

1017
01:01:55,320 --> 01:02:00,440
Speaker 1: magnet from from Western Europe as well. And then you know,

1018
01:02:01,480 --> 01:02:04,720
Speaker 1: it's sort of kept moving around the globe. And you

1019
01:02:04,760 --> 01:02:08,440
Speaker 1: know in some ways that I think that's that's the

1020
01:02:08,480 --> 01:02:14,800
Speaker 1: shortest answer. And there's some shared religious traditions, right, shared

1021
01:02:15,200 --> 01:02:18,120
Speaker 1: you know, shared traditions in general. I just take the

1022
01:02:18,200 --> 01:02:21,560
Speaker 1: Christmas season in some ways, the Santa Claus, I believe

1023
01:02:23,600 --> 01:02:29,360
Speaker 1: essentially was a Northern European phenomenon that migrated its way

1024
01:02:30,800 --> 01:02:33,560
Speaker 1: around the globe and for all of us, and certainly

1025
01:02:33,560 --> 01:02:38,560
Speaker 1: became another shared symbol, if you will, between Europe and America.

1026
01:02:38,600 --> 01:02:41,840
Speaker 1: But you know, I think that's you know, I think

1027
01:02:41,880 --> 01:02:45,040
Speaker 1: that's why we have such a historical bond. I think

1028
01:02:45,960 --> 01:02:49,080
Speaker 1: for those of us of a certain age, our parents

1029
01:02:49,080 --> 01:02:52,520
Speaker 1: and grandparents, you know, the two big wars of the

1030
01:02:52,520 --> 01:02:56,840
Speaker 1: twentieth century are still are still sort of in our

1031
01:02:56,880 --> 01:03:01,000
Speaker 1: recent memory. And by the way, and again there's sort

1032
01:03:01,040 --> 01:03:04,080
Speaker 1: of dovetails with the history lesson, which is sometimes we

1033
01:03:04,200 --> 01:03:07,880
Speaker 1: forget where we are, and that we sometimes forget that

1034
01:03:07,960 --> 01:03:10,040
Speaker 1: the moment we're living in we may be just in

1035
01:03:10,080 --> 01:03:13,080
Speaker 1: the middle of an historical epoch, if you will, right,

1036
01:03:13,120 --> 01:03:15,960
Speaker 1: we're in the middle of something that if we stuck

1037
01:03:15,960 --> 01:03:20,320
Speaker 1: around another hundred years, it would be more understandable. I've

1038
01:03:20,360 --> 01:03:22,760
Speaker 1: always said I can't wait to see what political scientists

1039
01:03:22,760 --> 01:03:25,960
Speaker 1: and social scientists say about the era that I'm living

1040
01:03:26,000 --> 01:03:29,800
Speaker 1: in now. Fifty years from now. Maybe I'll be coherent

1041
01:03:29,840 --> 01:03:31,760
Speaker 1: and alive at one hundred and three, and it'll be

1042
01:03:31,880 --> 01:03:34,480
Speaker 1: really interesting to read some of these political science journals

1043
01:03:34,560 --> 01:03:37,680
Speaker 1: or have them embedded in a brain chip in my brain,

1044
01:03:37,760 --> 01:03:42,960
Speaker 1: whatever ai version of learning is that we use. Then,

1045
01:03:43,600 --> 01:03:46,800
Speaker 1: So I don't want to cop out, if you will,

1046
01:03:46,800 --> 01:03:48,320
Speaker 1: I don't want to use that as a cop out,

1047
01:03:48,360 --> 01:03:50,200
Speaker 1: but it is. It is a little bit I think

1048
01:03:50,240 --> 01:03:56,440
Speaker 1: we I wonder the further away I mean, we're seeing

1049
01:03:56,440 --> 01:03:58,920
Speaker 1: it now, right, the further away. World War two is

1050
01:03:59,000 --> 01:04:01,840
Speaker 1: the further away. The Old War is the further away.

1051
01:04:02,440 --> 01:04:09,640
Speaker 1: These moments that did bound us, you know, where we

1052
01:04:09,720 --> 01:04:13,280
Speaker 1: had to stick together to fight for our values, not

1053
01:04:13,440 --> 01:04:17,600
Speaker 1: just for something, not just for something tangible like land

1054
01:04:17,680 --> 01:04:20,760
Speaker 1: or resources. We're really fighting for our values, particularly with

1055
01:04:20,800 --> 01:04:24,920
Speaker 1: World War Two. The further that gets away, the more

1056
01:04:26,120 --> 01:04:28,640
Speaker 1: the more detached we get from it, and I think

1057
01:04:28,720 --> 01:04:31,720
Speaker 1: actually the less likely we'll see, well, we'll see some

1058
01:04:31,760 --> 01:04:34,840
Speaker 1: of those bonds you know, you see it now, right

1059
01:04:34,960 --> 01:04:38,240
Speaker 1: Once you get to third or fourth generation away from something,

1060
01:04:39,280 --> 01:04:42,000
Speaker 1: you know, you lose the bond to that and you

1061
01:04:42,080 --> 01:04:45,880
Speaker 1: sort of your identity becomes more formed by the present

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Speaker 1: or by the very very recent path. So and I

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Speaker 1: wish I could felt like I fear I'm not giving

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Speaker 1: you the intellectually the substance of an argument that you

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Speaker 1: may been looking for to give you a deeper answer

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Speaker 1: in that. But that's I hope you see where I

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Speaker 1: was going there. I appreciate the question right now. Next

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Speaker 1: question comes from Brad. He said this, after FDR died,

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Speaker 1: Congress took action to limit future presidents to do terms.

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Speaker 1: Do you think that after the Trump era, Congress may

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Speaker 1: limit the pardon power president since it was abused by

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Speaker 1: Biden and Trump? And if so, what should the limits be? Specifically? Also,

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Speaker 1: what was the reason the Founders allowed presidents to pardon

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Speaker 1: anyone without any checks? Did they not think of would

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Speaker 1: ever be abused like this? Brad Well. Brad I asked

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Speaker 1: this question in a podcast interview I did with a

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Speaker 1: historian for the woman who runs the George Washington Presidential Library.

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Speaker 1: She's a founding Father's historian, written a bunch of books, terrific,

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Speaker 1: terrific historian, Lindsay Shervinsky, doctor Lindsay Shervinsky, And I asked

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01:05:50,280 --> 01:05:52,560
Speaker 1: her this very question. I said, I said, you know,

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Speaker 1: putting the pardon power to the executive in the Constitution,

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01:05:58,720 --> 01:06:01,920
Speaker 1: how did a whole group of men who were essentially

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Speaker 1: trying to resist a monarchy allow a power that a

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01:06:07,760 --> 01:06:11,240
Speaker 1: monarch had to be given to the executive, which the

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Speaker 1: whole point was not to allow him to become a king,

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01:06:13,080 --> 01:06:16,040
Speaker 1: But she gave him one king like power. And she

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01:06:16,120 --> 01:06:19,520
Speaker 1: didn't have a good explanation other than you know her.

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Speaker 1: She joked, there's probably somebody at the Constitutional Convention that

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Speaker 1: wanted to pardon and wanted to make sure that that

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Speaker 1: possibility existed. I completely agree with you, Rad. I think

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Speaker 1: that Allah. I think the FDR president is the perfect precedent, right,

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01:06:38,080 --> 01:06:42,080
Speaker 1: just like the Kennedy assassination gave us the twenty fifth Amendment.

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Speaker 1: We're like, whoa, what would have happened if he had

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Speaker 1: survived but not been but not but had been incapacitated?

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01:06:51,600 --> 01:06:55,880
Speaker 1: And so look, there's nothing wrong with our constitution being

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Speaker 1: reactive to the moment. It's like, frankly, it's like how

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Speaker 1: the college football playoff. Oh well, maybe we should have

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01:07:02,560 --> 01:07:06,080
Speaker 1: a different scenario in how we decide tiebreakers at the

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01:07:06,120 --> 01:07:08,960
Speaker 1: acc right, you know, you sometimes have to see something

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01:07:09,040 --> 01:07:13,560
Speaker 1: happen to go, oh, we missed that loophole. Let's close

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01:07:13,600 --> 01:07:18,840
Speaker 1: that loophole. So you had the two term issue with FDR,

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01:07:19,000 --> 01:07:22,960
Speaker 1: you had the incapacitation issue after the Kennedy assassination that

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01:07:23,040 --> 01:07:26,520
Speaker 1: gave us twenty fifth Amendment. And I absolutely believe we'll

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Speaker 1: have something here. Look, I think a lot of states

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01:07:30,440 --> 01:07:35,280
Speaker 1: have pardon boards where there is where, you know, where

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Speaker 1: the governor has is sort of has has influenced, but

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01:07:40,080 --> 01:07:43,880
Speaker 1: he's just a vote, He's not the vote. I think

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01:07:43,880 --> 01:07:46,640
Speaker 1: you could argue that you could create a presidential pardon

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01:07:46,720 --> 01:07:50,160
Speaker 1: board made up of you know, the chief Justice of

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Speaker 1: the Supreme Court, you know, you know, and the two

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Speaker 1: most senior justices including you know, not including the Chief Justice,

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Speaker 1: maybe the the chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee and

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Speaker 1: the House Judiciary committees chairmen and ranking members. You know,

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Speaker 1: you just create an eight eight person pardon board, six

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01:08:10,480 --> 01:08:15,560
Speaker 1: person pardon board of some sort and not have one

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01:08:15,640 --> 01:08:21,599
Speaker 1: person be able to do these things. There's no doubt

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01:08:21,680 --> 01:08:28,400
Speaker 1: this has been among and I think it's certainly it's

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Speaker 1: just been abused egregiously by Trump. Right, there's no and

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Speaker 1: I think and I think you're right. It is easy

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Speaker 1: to both sides. This to me a good way in

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Speaker 1: order to try to get bipartisan support for you simply,

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Speaker 1: let's just not let another president have this type of

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Speaker 1: you know, the bottom line is norms or nothing. Right.

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Speaker 1: It's like we've had norms with this naming business, right,

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Speaker 1: Trump putting his name on Kennedy Center. It turns out

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Speaker 1: there's no law, right, there's just been norms. Right, you know,

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01:08:58,400 --> 01:09:01,160
Speaker 1: we kind of thought as a society, boy, it's unseemly

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Speaker 1: to elect current elected officials have stuff named after him.

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Speaker 1: By the way, the state of Florida actually doesn't allow

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Speaker 1: living doesn't allow anything in the state to be named

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01:09:11,280 --> 01:09:15,320
Speaker 1: after a living person. But if a locality wants to

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01:09:15,320 --> 01:09:18,080
Speaker 1: do it, or if a university wants to do it,

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01:09:18,120 --> 01:09:22,759
Speaker 1: There are some exceptions, but that's it's the state of Florida,

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01:09:22,760 --> 01:09:25,559
Speaker 1: and it all depends on how much influence the state has. So,

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Speaker 1: for instance, there's some movement to rename the Palm Beach

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Speaker 1: Airport after Donald Trump. I got to think, Look, if

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01:09:33,320 --> 01:09:36,040
Speaker 1: you've got to name something after him, sure make it

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Speaker 1: the Palm Beach Airport. Make him the you know, in

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01:09:39,080 --> 01:09:41,839
Speaker 1: some ways he is emblematic of that Palm Beach crowd,

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01:09:42,960 --> 01:09:45,360
Speaker 1: the good, the bad, the ugly, all of it together.

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Speaker 1: I actually find it kind of appropriate if that were

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Speaker 1: the airport that was named after him. Right, he doesn't

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01:09:51,080 --> 01:09:54,439
Speaker 1: belong on Miami's airport. He has no association with Miami

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01:09:54,840 --> 01:09:57,719
Speaker 1: whatsoever in my opinion. But Palm Beach. Sure, He's always

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01:09:57,720 --> 01:09:59,479
Speaker 1: wanted to be the king of Palm Beach after since

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Speaker 1: he couldn't be the King of Manhattan. So absolutely right,

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01:10:05,000 --> 01:10:07,599
Speaker 1: it's one of those in a weird way, it's perfectly fitting.

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01:10:09,400 --> 01:10:12,120
Speaker 1: But it turns out those were all norms, right, and

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01:10:12,160 --> 01:10:15,479
Speaker 1: there's really it's really hard, you know. Yes, Congress is

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01:10:15,479 --> 01:10:17,599
Speaker 1: the only one that can officially name the Kennedy Center.

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01:10:17,840 --> 01:10:20,040
Speaker 1: Congress is the only one that can officially decide what

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01:10:20,120 --> 01:10:23,200
Speaker 1: these names are but you know, this is Trump sort

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01:10:23,240 --> 01:10:29,640
Speaker 1: of pushing, basically daring Congress to use its authority if

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01:10:29,640 --> 01:10:33,479
Speaker 1: it wants to, and things like this. But the bottom

1155
01:10:33,520 --> 01:10:35,720
Speaker 1: line is, I think if the trump eras taught us

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01:10:35,720 --> 01:10:39,080
Speaker 1: anything that if there's a norm that we think there's

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01:10:39,160 --> 01:10:41,920
Speaker 1: eighty percent agreement on, make it the letter of the law.

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01:10:42,320 --> 01:10:44,880
Speaker 1: Either make it a constitutional amendment or just simply pass

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01:10:44,920 --> 01:10:50,120
Speaker 1: along Congress. But you can't just assume anything anymore because

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01:10:50,400 --> 01:10:53,600
Speaker 1: of the temptation to exploit and the fact that we

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01:10:53,720 --> 01:10:58,280
Speaker 1: have an American public that will not punish shamelessness the

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01:10:58,320 --> 01:11:02,479
Speaker 1: way I think we all thought, right, the greatest power

1163
01:11:02,520 --> 01:11:05,160
Speaker 1: Donald Trumpe has is his power not to feel shame,

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01:11:08,360 --> 01:11:10,280
Speaker 1: which is why we have to have certain laws on

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01:11:10,320 --> 01:11:15,200
Speaker 1: the books and certain amendments in our constitution. All right,

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01:11:15,280 --> 01:11:18,840
Speaker 1: next question comes from It's a simple one, Christopher to

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01:11:18,920 --> 01:11:21,120
Speaker 1: Carla Long Island, New York. What do you think the

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01:11:21,120 --> 01:11:23,840
Speaker 1: GOP looks like if it loses in twenty twenty eight.

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01:11:25,680 --> 01:11:27,960
Speaker 1: I think it's going to be a little bit like

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01:11:30,560 --> 01:11:34,479
Speaker 1: the Democrats Serica nineteen ninety. I think you will have

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01:11:34,560 --> 01:11:38,720
Speaker 1: a huge fight between multiple wings. You will have the

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Speaker 1: sort of more call it the traditional wing of the party,

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01:11:43,840 --> 01:11:46,719
Speaker 1: but you will have sort of I think you will

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01:11:46,760 --> 01:11:50,920
Speaker 1: have a more open warfare between sort of the what

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01:11:51,040 --> 01:11:58,000
Speaker 1: will feel like the aging mega populists, what is the

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01:11:58,000 --> 01:12:01,280
Speaker 1: the financial and business wing of the party, what I

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01:12:01,360 --> 01:12:04,000
Speaker 1: refer to sometimes as the Chamber of Commerce wing. I

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01:12:04,000 --> 01:12:09,799
Speaker 1: think a loss by Vance or somebody else sufficiently considered

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01:12:09,880 --> 01:12:14,840
Speaker 1: MAGA will embolden I think the business wing of the

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01:12:14,840 --> 01:12:17,799
Speaker 1: party to try to to try to reclaim some status,

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01:12:18,360 --> 01:12:22,519
Speaker 1: and you might see, you might even you might see

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01:12:22,680 --> 01:12:29,960
Speaker 1: a resurgent sort of libertarian wing. Right. I'm curious to

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01:12:29,960 --> 01:12:33,960
Speaker 1: see Rand Paul's presidential campaign and how much traction it

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01:12:34,000 --> 01:12:37,519
Speaker 1: can get. How big is that faction inside the Republican Party,

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01:12:37,880 --> 01:12:41,240
Speaker 1: and could he tear pieces of the quote mega coalition

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01:12:41,320 --> 01:12:46,960
Speaker 1: away into something that's that's that. So, you know, it

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01:12:47,000 --> 01:12:49,880
Speaker 1: may look a little bit like Democrats and nine he

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01:12:49,920 --> 01:12:51,800
Speaker 1: may also look a little bit like what happened to

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01:12:51,880 --> 01:12:57,400
Speaker 1: Democrats after sixty eight, right, and when in Vietnam and

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01:12:57,479 --> 01:12:59,719
Speaker 1: it was you know, you had this, you know, suddenly

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01:13:00,000 --> 01:13:03,880
Speaker 1: govern ends up the nominee and you had sort of

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01:13:02,760 --> 01:13:10,320
Speaker 1: the southern conservative Democrats starting to totally splinter away. So

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Speaker 1: I think it's a combination of sort of the chaos

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01:13:15,800 --> 01:13:20,839
Speaker 1: that the Democrats had going into the seventy two presidential campaign,

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01:13:20,880 --> 01:13:23,680
Speaker 1: so from seventy to seventy two, and the chaos the

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01:13:23,680 --> 01:13:30,840
Speaker 1: Democrats had after the eighty eight Ducacus debacle in sort

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01:13:30,840 --> 01:13:32,639
Speaker 1: of nine that was represented by sort of the fight

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01:13:32,720 --> 01:13:35,960
Speaker 1: between Bill proxy arguments and fights between Bill Clinton and

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01:13:36,000 --> 01:13:44,840
Speaker 1: Jesse Jackson, something akin to that. I think it will

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01:13:44,840 --> 01:13:48,479
Speaker 1: look less like the fight in fifty two between sort

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01:13:48,520 --> 01:13:53,280
Speaker 1: of the Eisenhower wing and the Taft wing of the party.

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01:13:53,400 --> 01:13:55,479
Speaker 1: I think. I think in some ways that was the

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01:13:55,520 --> 01:14:00,320
Speaker 1: previous debate that in this time the Taft wing won

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01:14:00,360 --> 01:14:03,599
Speaker 1: the fight, which got represented by Trump. I think this

1205
01:14:03,640 --> 01:14:05,840
Speaker 1: one it will be a fight to even just what

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01:14:06,040 --> 01:14:09,000
Speaker 1: is conservative right. It'll be a I hope it's an

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01:14:09,320 --> 01:14:13,560
Speaker 1: I hope it's an intellectual debate rather than a personality

1208
01:14:13,640 --> 01:14:16,559
Speaker 1: or influencer debate. I think it could be. I think,

1209
01:14:17,000 --> 01:14:19,920
Speaker 1: what kind of debate does it end up being right?

1210
01:14:20,040 --> 01:14:23,519
Speaker 1: Is it one defined by cult of personality or one

1211
01:14:23,600 --> 01:14:29,240
Speaker 1: defined by actual ideological disagreement? And that that to me

1212
01:14:29,840 --> 01:14:34,320
Speaker 1: is what I wouldn't I don't. That's an unknown here,

1213
01:14:34,400 --> 01:14:37,120
Speaker 1: and until we knew that part of it, that will

1214
01:14:37,160 --> 01:14:39,559
Speaker 1: shape what the debate itself looks like all right. Last

1215
01:14:39,640 --> 01:14:42,400
Speaker 1: question comes from David S. Fort Worth, Texas. Hey, Chuck,

1216
01:14:42,439 --> 01:14:44,479
Speaker 1: big fan of the podcast. I was surprised and delighted

1217
01:14:44,520 --> 01:14:47,920
Speaker 1: discover your meet the Press era Tops trading cards while

1218
01:14:47,960 --> 01:14:51,559
Speaker 1: searching for merch. Oh yes, Alan and Ginter twenty fourteen.

1219
01:14:51,760 --> 01:14:54,400
Speaker 1: My friend anyway, because I picked up a Chuck Todd

1220
01:14:54,400 --> 01:14:57,439
Speaker 1: relic cart on eBay. That's cool, I thought, my I

1221
01:14:57,479 --> 01:14:59,479
Speaker 1: have a friend from high school who swores hespot. All

1222
01:14:59,520 --> 01:15:02,400
Speaker 1: of them that almost put together. I gave them a

1223
01:15:02,439 --> 01:15:07,400
Speaker 1: tie tops a tie to cut up. And so there's

1224
01:15:07,520 --> 01:15:10,400
Speaker 1: a couple of like very rare items. You can get

1225
01:15:10,439 --> 01:15:14,439
Speaker 1: a relic of my a red tie, So don't trust me.

1226
01:15:14,479 --> 01:15:16,600
Speaker 1: I did you know there's nothing lamer than getting a

1227
01:15:16,640 --> 01:15:18,920
Speaker 1: relic card that's just like a piece of white or

1228
01:15:18,960 --> 01:15:21,559
Speaker 1: gray jersey. I made sure to give a red tie

1229
01:15:21,560 --> 01:15:24,240
Speaker 1: form my relic card. And then there's some you know,

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01:15:24,439 --> 01:15:28,880
Speaker 1: number to ten I think autographed cards still that are

1231
01:15:28,920 --> 01:15:32,280
Speaker 1: out there. They can get a little premium on that anyway.

1232
01:15:32,280 --> 01:15:34,240
Speaker 1: He says this as a fellow sports card collector, I'd

1233
01:15:34,240 --> 01:15:36,000
Speaker 1: love to hear about your experience working with TOPS. Also

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01:15:36,000 --> 01:15:37,960
Speaker 1: curious how you see the hobby today, does it still

1235
01:15:38,000 --> 01:15:41,360
Speaker 1: feel like collecting or has it crossed into regulated gambling. Man,

1236
01:15:42,280 --> 01:15:46,040
Speaker 1: we're gamifying. We're gamblifying everything, aren't We were gamblifying politics.

1237
01:15:46,080 --> 01:15:50,280
Speaker 1: We're gambled. We're taking sports to a whole new level. Yes,

1238
01:15:50,520 --> 01:15:56,080
Speaker 1: there's some In fact, I fully, I fully confess to

1239
01:15:58,280 --> 01:16:02,320
Speaker 1: viewing some of my sports card speculating. I don't call

1240
01:16:02,360 --> 01:16:05,519
Speaker 1: this part collecting. I collect, but then I have a

1241
01:16:05,560 --> 01:16:08,599
Speaker 1: fun time speculating. But I view it as instead of

1242
01:16:08,680 --> 01:16:14,639
Speaker 1: buying a long term future. I'll give you an example,

1243
01:16:14,640 --> 01:16:17,960
Speaker 1: instead of buying a long term future at the beginning

1244
01:16:18,000 --> 01:16:20,519
Speaker 1: of the season on the Denver Broncos winning the Super Bowl,

1245
01:16:21,000 --> 01:16:22,960
Speaker 1: where if they don't win the Super Bowl, your ticket

1246
01:16:23,040 --> 01:16:28,120
Speaker 1: is worthless. You instead buy bonus, you know, a high

1247
01:16:28,160 --> 01:16:32,439
Speaker 1: end Bonix rookie card, because your ticket won't be worth

1248
01:16:32,560 --> 01:16:35,720
Speaker 1: zero if they fail. But you can also you will

1249
01:16:35,720 --> 01:16:37,880
Speaker 1: benefit if they actually do go on that Super Bowl

1250
01:16:37,960 --> 01:16:40,839
Speaker 1: run and you have an opportunity to cash out multiple

1251
01:16:40,880 --> 01:16:46,559
Speaker 1: times before. So I I confess that I have I

1252
01:16:46,800 --> 01:16:51,719
Speaker 1: have taken one part of my sports card fandom because

1253
01:16:51,760 --> 01:16:55,080
Speaker 1: I look at it this way. I'm trying to minimize

1254
01:16:55,080 --> 01:16:57,599
Speaker 1: how much money I spend on my sports card collecting

1255
01:16:57,640 --> 01:17:01,800
Speaker 1: and I use I I basically side hustle my way

1256
01:17:01,840 --> 01:17:05,360
Speaker 1: to try to cut the costs of what this is.

1257
01:17:05,960 --> 01:17:08,840
Speaker 1: So I do submit cards for grading and sell them

1258
01:17:08,840 --> 01:17:10,960
Speaker 1: on the side, and you can you know, I'm not

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01:17:11,000 --> 01:17:13,599
Speaker 1: going to tell you I don't. I really have been careful.

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01:17:13,640 --> 01:17:16,599
Speaker 1: I don't want to combine my side hustle on sports

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01:17:16,640 --> 01:17:21,280
Speaker 1: card with the podcast. I just haven't done that. As

1262
01:17:21,320 --> 01:17:26,120
Speaker 1: for TOPS, look, I I'll tell you my experience. All

1263
01:17:26,160 --> 01:17:27,920
Speaker 1: of everything you've ever read on the back of a

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01:17:27,960 --> 01:17:30,960
Speaker 1: card is true. A TOPS representative, I remember that came

1265
01:17:31,000 --> 01:17:35,800
Speaker 1: to Rockefeller Center, New York. That was in New York Day.

1266
01:17:35,800 --> 01:17:38,559
Speaker 1: They brought all the cards. They stayed in my office

1267
01:17:38,600 --> 01:17:43,240
Speaker 1: while I signed every card I promised to sign, did

1268
01:17:43,280 --> 01:17:45,800
Speaker 1: all that. They witnessed the whole time. Then he takes it,

1269
01:17:45,840 --> 01:17:47,880
Speaker 1: he puts it, and he takes it away. It wasn't

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01:17:47,920 --> 01:17:51,160
Speaker 1: like he left it with me, wasn't shipped and said, hey,

1271
01:17:51,160 --> 01:17:53,719
Speaker 1: can you sign this and send it back. He really

1272
01:17:53,760 --> 01:17:57,920
Speaker 1: did witness me doing everything on that front. So I

1273
01:17:58,040 --> 01:18:00,840
Speaker 1: viewed it as a great experience. Look, I'm a I'm

1274
01:18:00,880 --> 01:18:05,800
Speaker 1: an institutionalist, which means I love me some TOPS. And

1275
01:18:06,320 --> 01:18:13,080
Speaker 1: you know, TOPS is a reliable brand. I'm always, though,

1276
01:18:13,120 --> 01:18:19,160
Speaker 1: worried about market consolidation because market consolidation usually panealizes people

1277
01:18:19,200 --> 01:18:22,880
Speaker 1: like you and me, right, and everything has gotten more

1278
01:18:22,920 --> 01:18:27,640
Speaker 1: expensive since things have gotten consolidated. I do think the

1279
01:18:30,360 --> 01:18:34,519
Speaker 1: I have a feeling that if there ever is I

1280
01:18:34,560 --> 01:18:41,800
Speaker 1: think that Fanatics, who is now the parent company of Tops,

1281
01:18:40,840 --> 01:18:45,519
Speaker 1: is going to get scrutiny at some point from a

1282
01:18:45,840 --> 01:18:50,439
Speaker 1: more robust government agency. They're not nobody's getting that kind

1283
01:18:50,479 --> 01:18:53,080
Speaker 1: of scrutiny now because it's pay to play. Were living

1284
01:18:53,120 --> 01:18:54,719
Speaker 1: in a pay to play. But if we ever get

1285
01:18:54,720 --> 01:18:59,240
Speaker 1: back to a more traditional way of trying to question

1286
01:18:59,360 --> 01:19:05,080
Speaker 1: consolidated power, trying to regulate these things, I think Fanatics

1287
01:19:05,080 --> 01:19:09,160
Speaker 1: could could you know whether they you know the fact

1288
01:19:09,200 --> 01:19:12,160
Speaker 1: that they have the exclusive license and only they can

1289
01:19:12,520 --> 01:19:19,120
Speaker 1: produce these products, so they can set the market. They can,

1290
01:19:19,320 --> 01:19:23,160
Speaker 1: they can sort of really they they decide supply and demand,

1291
01:19:23,320 --> 01:19:28,240
Speaker 1: right I have, it doesn't feel like it does feel

1292
01:19:28,280 --> 01:19:33,599
Speaker 1: like they're building a monopoly. And I'll I think Pannini

1293
01:19:33,720 --> 01:19:37,120
Speaker 1: hasn't been very good at articulating its case or taking

1294
01:19:37,160 --> 01:19:42,120
Speaker 1: its They've yet to find they've how they've gone about it.

1295
01:19:42,439 --> 01:19:44,639
Speaker 1: I think it's been very poor but at some point

1296
01:19:44,680 --> 01:19:48,840
Speaker 1: I think you'll have some better lawyer louring there and

1297
01:19:48,880 --> 01:19:51,360
Speaker 1: you'll get a judge that's a bit more empathetic and

1298
01:19:51,400 --> 01:19:55,160
Speaker 1: a little skeptical of the consolidation that Fanatics has successfully

1299
01:19:55,160 --> 01:19:59,640
Speaker 1: pulled off here in the sports card market, especially as

1300
01:19:59,640 --> 01:20:05,320
Speaker 1: there's more money involved. Right I say that, I'm I

1301
01:20:05,479 --> 01:20:08,920
Speaker 1: like that Fanatics has taken sports card collecting and made

1302
01:20:08,960 --> 01:20:11,479
Speaker 1: it more mainstream. Right, So that's a good thing that

1303
01:20:11,520 --> 01:20:13,960
Speaker 1: they have done with the hobby that they have made it.

1304
01:20:14,640 --> 01:20:16,720
Speaker 1: They have sort of cleaned things up a little bit.

1305
01:20:17,720 --> 01:20:23,720
Speaker 1: I think quality control has gotten better, but there is

1306
01:20:23,800 --> 01:20:28,720
Speaker 1: a it does feel like there's a haves and have

1307
01:20:28,960 --> 01:20:32,479
Speaker 1: not aspect to card collecting. Now, if you've got some money,

1308
01:20:32,479 --> 01:20:35,160
Speaker 1: you can get access to really cool cards. If you

1309
01:20:35,200 --> 01:20:37,680
Speaker 1: don't have a lot of money, you can't. You know

1310
01:20:37,720 --> 01:20:39,240
Speaker 1: that In the way I grew up with them, right,

1311
01:20:39,280 --> 01:20:43,120
Speaker 1: we all sort of had the same access. Certainly, you know,

1312
01:20:43,200 --> 01:20:45,920
Speaker 1: maybe one family could afford to buy more packs of cards,

1313
01:20:46,240 --> 01:20:48,599
Speaker 1: but we were all buying the same packs of cards.

1314
01:20:48,760 --> 01:20:51,120
Speaker 1: But literally, there are now packs of cards simply for

1315
01:20:51,160 --> 01:20:54,080
Speaker 1: the super wealthy, and then there are packs of cards

1316
01:20:54,520 --> 01:20:58,000
Speaker 1: for everybody else. You know, Right now, we call them

1317
01:20:58,000 --> 01:21:01,679
Speaker 1: plaster boxes, and then you have hobby boxes and stuff

1318
01:21:01,720 --> 01:21:05,920
Speaker 1: like that. But it's it's that is a you know,

1319
01:21:07,360 --> 01:21:10,960
Speaker 1: is there is there a point where there's too many

1320
01:21:11,040 --> 01:21:15,360
Speaker 1: velvet ropes around card collecting, you know, And that's I

1321
01:21:15,640 --> 01:21:18,000
Speaker 1: think there's there's still got to be a lottery ticket

1322
01:21:18,000 --> 01:21:21,320
Speaker 1: aspect to it. You know, there's and you've probably seen

1323
01:21:21,360 --> 01:21:24,800
Speaker 1: the news of a a Tani card that got sold

1324
01:21:24,800 --> 01:21:27,880
Speaker 1: for a certain amount of money, but just it took

1325
01:21:27,920 --> 01:21:31,040
Speaker 1: a lot of money to have even access to getting

1326
01:21:31,080 --> 01:21:37,439
Speaker 1: that card. And uh, I'm not as anti breaking as

1327
01:21:37,439 --> 01:21:41,639
Speaker 1: some are. I don't participate in breaks or anything like that.

1328
01:21:41,640 --> 01:21:44,719
Speaker 1: That's not how I want to spend my time. Uh.

1329
01:21:44,760 --> 01:21:47,519
Speaker 1: And if you're wondering what the hell breaking is, go

1330
01:21:47,640 --> 01:21:50,919
Speaker 1: look it up. I'm not gonna. But essentially, it's instead

1331
01:21:50,920 --> 01:21:53,840
Speaker 1: of it's another way of you know, it's sort of

1332
01:21:53,840 --> 01:21:57,000
Speaker 1: another It's that's the way the influencer world works. Like

1333
01:21:57,040 --> 01:22:00,800
Speaker 1: by a case of cards and say hey, I will

1334
01:22:01,240 --> 01:22:03,439
Speaker 1: I will give you all the Dodgers in this case.

1335
01:22:03,640 --> 01:22:06,640
Speaker 1: And I'm gonna sell the Dodgers for you know, one

1336
01:22:06,720 --> 01:22:10,200
Speaker 1: hundred and fifty dollars and you may get that'll be awesome.

1337
01:22:10,360 --> 01:22:12,240
Speaker 1: I'll also give you all the white Sox cards. In

1338
01:22:12,280 --> 01:22:16,160
Speaker 1: this case, you may sell that for sixty dollars and

1339
01:22:16,400 --> 01:22:17,760
Speaker 1: you'll get all the white socks. You may get a

1340
01:22:17,800 --> 01:22:20,560
Speaker 1: lot of Frank Thomas autographs, and you may get a

1341
01:22:20,560 --> 01:22:23,320
Speaker 1: lot of show Hey O Tommy right. Or but if

1342
01:22:23,680 --> 01:22:25,680
Speaker 1: but if Shoa Tony's in an Angel's uniform, the person

1343
01:22:25,720 --> 01:22:29,760
Speaker 1: who bought the Angels slot will get the card, not

1344
01:22:29,840 --> 01:22:32,960
Speaker 1: the person who bought the Dodger slot. So it's an

1345
01:22:32,960 --> 01:22:35,400
Speaker 1: interesting way to sell. I think that's you know, To me,

1346
01:22:35,520 --> 01:22:39,519
Speaker 1: that's just you know, interesting retail capitalism and the market

1347
01:22:39,560 --> 01:22:42,240
Speaker 1: behaving the way a market should, coming up with unique

1348
01:22:42,240 --> 01:22:46,000
Speaker 1: ways to slice and dice the cards. So I'm not

1349
01:22:46,000 --> 01:22:48,599
Speaker 1: as anti gambling as others are. I do think it's

1350
01:22:49,120 --> 01:22:52,719
Speaker 1: very It adds to the speculation. It is, in theory,

1351
01:22:52,760 --> 01:22:57,439
Speaker 1: a cheaper way to get a bigger card. But you

1352
01:22:57,439 --> 01:23:01,320
Speaker 1: your odds are still pretty the odds are still not

1353
01:23:01,560 --> 01:23:04,000
Speaker 1: very much in your favor, and in some cases could

1354
01:23:04,040 --> 01:23:07,160
Speaker 1: be even worse. So because you don't, you don't get

1355
01:23:07,400 --> 01:23:09,439
Speaker 1: you're better off buying the whole case yourself. Because even

1356
01:23:09,479 --> 01:23:11,160
Speaker 1: if it's a card for a team you didn't like,

1357
01:23:12,040 --> 01:23:13,800
Speaker 1: at least do you have a chance to get your

1358
01:23:13,800 --> 01:23:15,680
Speaker 1: money back selling it's somebody else when they want it.

1359
01:23:17,320 --> 01:23:20,240
Speaker 1: I got a little rambling there, because I do enjoy it,

1360
01:23:20,360 --> 01:23:23,920
Speaker 1: I do care about it. I do. I do a

1361
01:23:23,960 --> 01:23:26,559
Speaker 1: little bit of of it as a side hustle, but

1362
01:23:26,760 --> 01:23:30,800
Speaker 1: primarily just to support my collecting. And I have some

1363
01:23:30,880 --> 01:23:35,120
Speaker 1: fun things that I love. I collect. I collect certain players.

1364
01:23:35,160 --> 01:23:38,320
Speaker 1: I collect a lot of Max Sures or collect each Hero.

1365
01:23:38,720 --> 01:23:44,280
Speaker 1: I collect Greg Maddox, and I collect Sandy Kofax and

1366
01:23:44,479 --> 01:23:49,040
Speaker 1: Roy Campano. But then I love like super old Basketball.

1367
01:23:50,880 --> 01:23:53,160
Speaker 1: You know, I'm always I'm always on the hunt for

1368
01:23:53,200 --> 01:23:55,559
Speaker 1: interesting George Mike and cards. You know. I just sort

1369
01:23:55,560 --> 01:23:58,280
Speaker 1: of like, you know, little little nuggets like that. One

1370
01:23:58,280 --> 01:24:00,599
Speaker 1: of my favorite sets that I built was the nineteen

1371
01:24:00,720 --> 01:24:06,200
Speaker 1: fifty five College Football card set All American Set. Wizard

1372
01:24:06,240 --> 01:24:09,439
Speaker 1: White is in that set, former Supreme Court justice. So anyway,

1373
01:24:10,520 --> 01:24:15,040
Speaker 1: as you he just he just touched the nerd button

1374
01:24:15,080 --> 01:24:18,280
Speaker 1: on me, obviously, So yes, I've just given you a

1375
01:24:18,320 --> 01:24:23,320
Speaker 1: little bit more. But please, I do not I do

1376
01:24:23,439 --> 01:24:25,439
Speaker 1: not want to mix too much of the card world

1377
01:24:25,600 --> 01:24:28,400
Speaker 1: into the political world, because I I don't like it.

1378
01:24:28,560 --> 01:24:31,360
Speaker 1: Anytime I've heard you know, for the most part, any

1379
01:24:31,400 --> 01:24:34,120
Speaker 1: most of the stuff I consume in the card world.

1380
01:24:34,120 --> 01:24:36,920
Speaker 1: By the way I collect every I try to get

1381
01:24:36,960 --> 01:24:40,200
Speaker 1: PSA tens of every president that has appeared in a

1382
01:24:40,320 --> 01:24:45,639
Speaker 1: sports card set, and that's a lot of fun as well.

1383
01:24:46,479 --> 01:24:49,640
Speaker 1: So you know, that's my you know figure that you know,

1384
01:24:49,680 --> 01:24:52,439
Speaker 1: that's appropriate for me, the political junkie, to have that.

1385
01:24:52,600 --> 01:24:54,680
Speaker 1: So you know, there was, believe it or not, a

1386
01:24:54,680 --> 01:24:57,559
Speaker 1: lot of older sets in the early twentieth century that

1387
01:24:57,640 --> 01:25:02,320
Speaker 1: had some that didn't hold presidential presidential cards. In fact,

1388
01:25:02,400 --> 01:25:04,360
Speaker 1: one of my favorite recent sets that I wish top

1389
01:25:04,400 --> 01:25:06,120
Speaker 1: Tops would bring back was the two thousand and nine

1390
01:25:06,160 --> 01:25:10,360
Speaker 1: American History set, which did things like have subsets of

1391
01:25:10,400 --> 01:25:13,080
Speaker 1: Medal of honor folks, so it was like a history

1392
01:25:13,280 --> 01:25:15,400
Speaker 1: we were just great history online. So I collected it,

1393
01:25:15,720 --> 01:25:18,040
Speaker 1: built the set with my kids as a way to

1394
01:25:18,080 --> 01:25:21,360
Speaker 1: teach American history. It was, it was, It was fabulous,

1395
01:25:21,640 --> 01:25:31,680
Speaker 1: and I wish Tops would bring you up back all right,

1396
01:25:32,680 --> 01:25:34,719
Speaker 1: since we got the sports cards, it's a perfect transition

1397
01:25:34,760 --> 01:25:41,800
Speaker 1: to get to college football and my experience at Kyle Field.

1398
01:25:42,320 --> 01:25:45,400
Speaker 1: I will start very will I will start with this.

1399
01:25:48,000 --> 01:25:52,840
Speaker 1: It's my fourth Miami road game in a stadium that's

1400
01:25:53,640 --> 01:25:55,559
Speaker 1: seats more than one hundred thousand people. I was at

1401
01:25:55,560 --> 01:25:58,400
Speaker 1: Penn State in two thousand and one for a Miami

1402
01:25:58,400 --> 01:26:00,559
Speaker 1: Penn State game Miami one. That game, I was in

1403
01:26:00,600 --> 01:26:03,320
Speaker 1: Tennessee two thousand and three, I think it was for

1404
01:26:03,360 --> 01:26:06,280
Speaker 1: a Miami Tennessee game Miami one. I've been to the

1405
01:26:06,360 --> 01:26:09,320
Speaker 1: Rose Bowl. I believe they seed one hundred thousand so

1406
01:26:09,920 --> 01:26:11,920
Speaker 1: and that was for the lone Rose Bowl that Miami

1407
01:26:11,960 --> 01:26:15,880
Speaker 1: appeared in and they won. So I think I have

1408
01:26:15,960 --> 01:26:17,960
Speaker 1: that going for me, which is I've never seen Miami

1409
01:26:18,040 --> 01:26:21,679
Speaker 1: lose win in a hundred thousand seed stadium. They've lost

1410
01:26:21,720 --> 01:26:23,479
Speaker 1: a one hundred thousand seat staums, but not when I've

1411
01:26:23,479 --> 01:26:26,519
Speaker 1: been in attendance. They lost a game at Michigan once,

1412
01:26:26,520 --> 01:26:28,280
Speaker 1: and I think they lost a game at Ohio State once,

1413
01:26:28,320 --> 01:26:31,200
Speaker 1: so both of which, of course seed over one hundred

1414
01:26:31,240 --> 01:26:35,840
Speaker 1: thousand and one. Thing you will learn is it wasn't

1415
01:26:35,880 --> 01:26:39,160
Speaker 1: bad getting into a stadium that seats one hundred thousand. Boy,

1416
01:26:39,200 --> 01:26:41,639
Speaker 1: when everybody stays to the end, it is really hard

1417
01:26:41,640 --> 01:26:43,679
Speaker 1: to get out of a stadium that seats one hundred thousand.

1418
01:26:44,880 --> 01:26:48,640
Speaker 1: That was quite the ordeal. And all that Texa and

1419
01:26:48,760 --> 01:26:51,760
Speaker 1: m fans were great. You know, I have a lot

1420
01:26:51,760 --> 01:26:53,880
Speaker 1: of UT fans in my life, who don't have many

1421
01:26:53,920 --> 01:26:56,679
Speaker 1: nice things to say about the Aggies, So I had

1422
01:26:56,720 --> 01:27:00,320
Speaker 1: I perhaps came in with super low expectations and a

1423
01:27:00,439 --> 01:27:03,840
Speaker 1: little leariness. I'm sorry I did. I thought everything was great,

1424
01:27:03,880 --> 01:27:06,559
Speaker 1: even in losing. I have this memory of this one

1425
01:27:06,600 --> 01:27:09,120
Speaker 1: A and M fan cowboy hat. He looks at me

1426
01:27:09,160 --> 01:27:10,960
Speaker 1: and he just opens his arms. He says, can you

1427
01:27:10,960 --> 01:27:14,080
Speaker 1: give me a hug? I was like, okay. He had

1428
01:27:14,120 --> 01:27:16,479
Speaker 1: a few. His family I think was wondering what's he

1429
01:27:16,560 --> 01:27:21,800
Speaker 1: about to do? But it was actually a very nice interaction.

1430
01:27:22,479 --> 01:27:25,280
Speaker 1: All of it was very nice interactions. Look, let's talk

1431
01:27:25,320 --> 01:27:30,120
Speaker 1: about the game itself. If you weren't at the game,

1432
01:27:30,280 --> 01:27:32,479
Speaker 1: you probably and you're only watching on TV, you thought, boy,

1433
01:27:32,479 --> 01:27:35,799
Speaker 1: these offenses are futrid? What's going on here? The wind

1434
01:27:35,960 --> 01:27:39,920
Speaker 1: was a serious factor. In fact, every time there was

1435
01:27:39,960 --> 01:27:44,719
Speaker 1: a time out, Carson Beck was throwing was was throwing

1436
01:27:45,120 --> 01:27:47,320
Speaker 1: the football, So either one or two things. Either he

1437
01:27:47,360 --> 01:27:49,200
Speaker 1: had something going on with his arm that he was

1438
01:27:49,200 --> 01:27:51,160
Speaker 1: trying to deal with, which I don't think it was,

1439
01:27:51,479 --> 01:27:54,840
Speaker 1: or he was trying to figure out how to throw

1440
01:27:55,040 --> 01:27:59,000
Speaker 1: better in this swirling wind. He was constantly trying to

1441
01:27:59,040 --> 01:28:01,600
Speaker 1: warm up. And I mean every time out he'd be

1442
01:28:01,640 --> 01:28:04,040
Speaker 1: out in the field trying to do this. I saw

1443
01:28:04,120 --> 01:28:07,560
Speaker 1: a similar situation with all of the Texas A and

1444
01:28:07,720 --> 01:28:10,280
Speaker 1: M side. They were doing their long snaps a lot

1445
01:28:10,320 --> 01:28:15,120
Speaker 1: more practicing sort of in between during timeouts, during work stoppages.

1446
01:28:15,160 --> 01:28:18,720
Speaker 1: This wasn't just stuff you saw pre or just on

1447
01:28:18,760 --> 01:28:20,840
Speaker 1: the sideline. They'd literally move out into the field when

1448
01:28:20,880 --> 01:28:22,559
Speaker 1: they had it. This would be during the commercial break.

1449
01:28:22,600 --> 01:28:26,439
Speaker 1: So the wind was really throwing everybody off, and I

1450
01:28:26,439 --> 01:28:29,200
Speaker 1: think it really threw Back off. I don't think he

1451
01:28:29,320 --> 01:28:32,040
Speaker 1: ever felt comfortable throwing the football at all. I think

1452
01:28:32,040 --> 01:28:37,000
Speaker 1: it showed, you know, is it an arm strength issue?

1453
01:28:37,200 --> 01:28:39,320
Speaker 1: Was it just the wind? Was that swirly that day?

1454
01:28:40,960 --> 01:28:44,200
Speaker 1: It was a real factor, and it absolutely contributed to

1455
01:28:44,240 --> 01:28:47,160
Speaker 1: the bizarre kicking game problems, which mine really didn't have

1456
01:28:47,200 --> 01:28:48,559
Speaker 1: an issue with all yr I know TEXTA, A and

1457
01:28:48,640 --> 01:28:53,479
Speaker 1: M had their share, not a few other observations. Very

1458
01:28:53,479 --> 01:28:58,400
Speaker 1: frustrated as always with the play calling. I will say

1459
01:28:58,400 --> 01:29:03,200
Speaker 1: this a win. I am grateful and satisfied that Miami

1460
01:29:03,240 --> 01:29:05,800
Speaker 1: got this win. But this is one of those games

1461
01:29:05,800 --> 01:29:07,680
Speaker 1: where and I'm sure Texas A and M fans look

1462
01:29:07,720 --> 01:29:09,439
Speaker 1: at that game and go, we had so many chances

1463
01:29:09,479 --> 01:29:11,479
Speaker 1: to win that game. That's true, and a Miami fan

1464
01:29:11,520 --> 01:29:12,920
Speaker 1: looks at that game and go, we had so many

1465
01:29:13,000 --> 01:29:17,360
Speaker 1: chances to have blown them out, which is also true.

1466
01:29:17,400 --> 01:29:20,360
Speaker 1: It was it was a game where nobody took advantage

1467
01:29:20,439 --> 01:29:24,240
Speaker 1: of the mistakes the other team was making or not

1468
01:29:24,400 --> 01:29:26,519
Speaker 1: nearly enough, and then there was a few sort of

1469
01:29:26,640 --> 01:29:29,800
Speaker 1: questionable decision making. The fake punt to me, was a

1470
01:29:29,880 --> 01:29:35,719
Speaker 1: questionable decision Biolko at the time, especially in that way.

1471
01:29:36,400 --> 01:29:38,400
Speaker 1: Your your own quarterbacks having a hard time throwing the

1472
01:29:38,400 --> 01:29:40,360
Speaker 1: ball in the wind, so now you expect your punter

1473
01:29:40,439 --> 01:29:42,040
Speaker 1: to be able to throw in the in the crazy

1474
01:29:42,080 --> 01:29:48,360
Speaker 1: swirly win seemed like a you you know. And look

1475
01:29:48,479 --> 01:29:52,160
Speaker 1: to Miami's credit and kudos to the special teams coaching.

1476
01:29:52,400 --> 01:29:54,719
Speaker 1: They were they were ready, and everybody stayed at home,

1477
01:29:55,400 --> 01:29:57,600
Speaker 1: and uh they were able to make sure that that

1478
01:29:57,680 --> 01:29:59,759
Speaker 1: didn't pay off. But I think that was a questionable

1479
01:29:59,760 --> 01:30:02,000
Speaker 1: to say, and it sort of gave Miami a break

1480
01:30:02,760 --> 01:30:05,920
Speaker 1: at a time when when they could use one. I

1481
01:30:05,920 --> 01:30:09,479
Speaker 1: didn't want him having to start start start their drive

1482
01:30:09,520 --> 01:30:14,080
Speaker 1: inside their twenty again. But my issue with the play

1483
01:30:14,120 --> 01:30:16,920
Speaker 1: calling is saying it's my observation about all year. I

1484
01:30:16,920 --> 01:30:21,839
Speaker 1: feel like the offensive coordinator is always trying to figure

1485
01:30:21,840 --> 01:30:27,080
Speaker 1: out like which plays work with his offense rather than

1486
01:30:27,320 --> 01:30:31,320
Speaker 1: game planning towards the team he's playing. And it isn't

1487
01:30:31,479 --> 01:30:34,839
Speaker 1: till sometime in the second half that he finally pivots

1488
01:30:34,880 --> 01:30:38,799
Speaker 1: the play calling to what's actually happening on the field

1489
01:30:39,240 --> 01:30:44,360
Speaker 1: and with the opponent. Were actually facing the fact that

1490
01:30:44,400 --> 01:30:47,120
Speaker 1: Mark Fletcher, who had a tremendous game the running back,

1491
01:30:47,800 --> 01:30:51,200
Speaker 1: the best most of yardists he had ever had as

1492
01:30:51,240 --> 01:30:54,800
Speaker 1: a Miami running back, didn't touch the ball once. When

1493
01:30:54,800 --> 01:30:57,000
Speaker 1: Miami had a first and goal at the ten early

1494
01:30:57,040 --> 01:30:59,240
Speaker 1: on in the game. It was one of those drives

1495
01:30:59,280 --> 01:31:03,479
Speaker 1: with the ded up with a missfield goal every time

1496
01:31:03,720 --> 01:31:07,720
Speaker 1: until the fourth quarter, every time Mark Fletcher got a

1497
01:31:07,800 --> 01:31:12,479
Speaker 1: run that succeeded, say six yards or more, it seemed

1498
01:31:12,479 --> 01:31:14,559
Speaker 1: like they waited three or four plays before they ever

1499
01:31:14,600 --> 01:31:18,000
Speaker 1: went back to it. Finally in the fourth core they realized, well,

1500
01:31:18,000 --> 01:31:22,160
Speaker 1: what's working this A and M defense? As their pass

1501
01:31:22,280 --> 01:31:25,720
Speaker 1: rush was getting through and was making back uncomfortable. And

1502
01:31:25,760 --> 01:31:27,479
Speaker 1: I think it was the wind that made the pass

1503
01:31:27,640 --> 01:31:31,479
Speaker 1: rush more effective than anything else. But we could run

1504
01:31:31,520 --> 01:31:35,479
Speaker 1: on these guys and yet you know, they were just

1505
01:31:35,520 --> 01:31:37,439
Speaker 1: they kept so it felt as if it was almost

1506
01:31:37,520 --> 01:31:39,360
Speaker 1: like he was, Hey, let me see if this play

1507
01:31:39,880 --> 01:31:42,040
Speaker 1: how this play? You know, And there's sort of these

1508
01:31:43,280 --> 01:31:46,519
Speaker 1: their trick plays, but they're kind of high schoolish, one

1509
01:31:46,520 --> 01:31:50,040
Speaker 1: dimensional trick plays. Oh, let's line up Tony in the wildcat,

1510
01:31:50,720 --> 01:31:55,480
Speaker 1: let's do this, let's you know it. They're weirdly predictable.

1511
01:31:56,479 --> 01:31:58,280
Speaker 1: And it was almost as all right, I'm gonna try

1512
01:31:58,320 --> 01:32:02,000
Speaker 1: to get the ball into Tony's hands without actually thinking

1513
01:32:02,040 --> 01:32:05,960
Speaker 1: about the defense that they're facing. By the fourth quarter

1514
01:32:06,080 --> 01:32:08,719
Speaker 1: they realized, well, when they really have to get some yards,

1515
01:32:08,720 --> 01:32:10,800
Speaker 1: they should just run the ball. And suddenly Fletcher and

1516
01:32:10,840 --> 01:32:14,880
Speaker 1: they pounded the rock. For us older Miami fans, it

1517
01:32:14,920 --> 01:32:19,040
Speaker 1: reminded me of one of the worst play calling decisions ever,

1518
01:32:19,080 --> 01:32:22,519
Speaker 1: which was infamous, an infamous game back in the eighties

1519
01:32:22,520 --> 01:32:24,960
Speaker 1: between Miami and Penn State, one of the best Miami

1520
01:32:24,960 --> 01:32:27,400
Speaker 1: teams of all time, and they didn't win a national title.

1521
01:32:27,840 --> 01:32:31,439
Speaker 1: They lost. They lost it to Joe Paterno's Penn State

1522
01:32:31,479 --> 01:32:34,320
Speaker 1: squad in the in the eighty six season eighty seven

1523
01:32:34,360 --> 01:32:38,639
Speaker 1: Fiesta Bowl, where they had first they were inside the ten,

1524
01:32:38,840 --> 01:32:41,799
Speaker 1: basically going in for the winning touchdown, and they decided

1525
01:32:41,840 --> 01:32:43,240
Speaker 1: to throw the ball and not hand the ball to

1526
01:32:43,280 --> 01:32:46,280
Speaker 1: Lonzo Heismith, who was just not going to be denied

1527
01:32:46,320 --> 01:32:48,679
Speaker 1: that day. And that's how I felt about Mark Fletcher.

1528
01:32:48,720 --> 01:32:51,120
Speaker 1: You're like, this dude has a nose for the end zone.

1529
01:32:51,120 --> 01:32:53,600
Speaker 1: He always runs north south. He is not going to

1530
01:32:53,640 --> 01:32:57,040
Speaker 1: get denied. Some guys just have it. You feed the ball,

1531
01:32:57,439 --> 01:33:00,840
Speaker 1: you give him the ball, and you go and you

1532
01:33:00,960 --> 01:33:04,439
Speaker 1: wear that out. Then you worry about other things. So

1533
01:33:04,640 --> 01:33:09,000
Speaker 1: I just I don't love the way this goes about.

1534
01:33:08,720 --> 01:33:11,639
Speaker 1: He doesn't. I don't feel like it's a game plan.

1535
01:33:11,800 --> 01:33:15,320
Speaker 1: I feel like it's a set of offensive schemes that

1536
01:33:15,520 --> 01:33:19,120
Speaker 1: he's doing on a whiteboard that he's not thinking about

1537
01:33:19,160 --> 01:33:22,599
Speaker 1: the opponent that they're facing. I gotta think that's going

1538
01:33:22,640 --> 01:33:27,519
Speaker 1: to change for Ohio State. But we'll say. The other

1539
01:33:27,560 --> 01:33:30,439
Speaker 1: thing I take away is I think Miami's defense I

1540
01:33:30,439 --> 01:33:34,240
Speaker 1: think it's absurd. You know, sometimes perception in college football,

1541
01:33:34,280 --> 01:33:37,920
Speaker 1: perception is always way ahead of the reality, and I

1542
01:33:37,920 --> 01:33:40,160
Speaker 1: think right now, I see it in the early lines

1543
01:33:40,160 --> 01:33:42,880
Speaker 1: of Miami, Ohia State or a state's a nine and

1544
01:33:42,880 --> 01:33:45,920
Speaker 1: a half point favorite. Please, that's great. Look, I know

1545
01:33:45,960 --> 01:33:50,200
Speaker 1: I'm a homer, but that's insane. Okay, no Miami team,

1546
01:33:50,640 --> 01:33:52,760
Speaker 1: I'm trying to think. I don't think Miami's lost by

1547
01:33:52,760 --> 01:33:57,040
Speaker 1: more than nine points in over two years. It's just

1548
01:33:57,960 --> 01:34:01,640
Speaker 1: I will Especially the way Mario Christophale coaches, He's a

1549
01:34:01,720 --> 01:34:04,960
Speaker 1: very risk averse coach. It drives me crazy, but it

1550
01:34:05,040 --> 01:34:07,960
Speaker 1: keeps him in every game. This guy is not going

1551
01:34:08,000 --> 01:34:11,400
Speaker 1: to not be in this game. He is not going

1552
01:34:11,479 --> 01:34:14,640
Speaker 1: to let the team sort of be put in a

1553
01:34:14,680 --> 01:34:18,840
Speaker 1: position like that. And Ohio State, isn't it I, you know,

1554
01:34:19,280 --> 01:34:21,439
Speaker 1: against the Miami defense, I just don't see it. And

1555
01:34:21,479 --> 01:34:25,920
Speaker 1: this is where it's a reminder that the reason that

1556
01:34:26,360 --> 01:34:30,000
Speaker 1: the expression defense wins championships is that, you know, Miami

1557
01:34:30,040 --> 01:34:33,000
Speaker 1: had a very uneven orderline, bad offensive day, and we're

1558
01:34:33,040 --> 01:34:35,759
Speaker 1: able to win because the defense was able to prevent

1559
01:34:35,800 --> 01:34:38,240
Speaker 1: the other offense from doing anything. If you have a

1560
01:34:38,240 --> 01:34:40,720
Speaker 1: bad day on offense and your defense's mediocre, you had

1561
01:34:40,800 --> 01:34:42,800
Speaker 1: the situation that Miami had to do with last year,

1562
01:34:42,840 --> 01:34:45,360
Speaker 1: when we had this great offense that would have a

1563
01:34:45,400 --> 01:34:49,040
Speaker 1: couple of clunker quarters that suddenly the defense would allow

1564
01:34:49,080 --> 01:34:50,840
Speaker 1: up twenty one points to the other side, and then

1565
01:34:50,880 --> 01:34:53,000
Speaker 1: suddenly you were in a hole. You dug yourself a

1566
01:34:53,040 --> 01:34:57,160
Speaker 1: hole or something. So I know we won and we're

1567
01:34:57,160 --> 01:34:59,559
Speaker 1: not supposed to pick at nits, but it's a big

1568
01:34:59,560 --> 01:35:02,759
Speaker 1: one to pay, because Miami's not going to win another

1569
01:35:02,800 --> 01:35:05,559
Speaker 1: game if they don't perform slightly better on offense. They

1570
01:35:05,560 --> 01:35:08,280
Speaker 1: have all the talent in the world. I just think

1571
01:35:08,320 --> 01:35:11,400
Speaker 1: this offensive scheme just doesn't take advantage of the talent

1572
01:35:11,479 --> 01:35:16,040
Speaker 1: that they have. It's like wide receiver screen, wide receiver screen,

1573
01:35:16,439 --> 01:35:20,080
Speaker 1: Malachi Tony trick play, throw the ball deep. They don't

1574
01:35:20,160 --> 01:35:22,200
Speaker 1: use the middle of the field enough. I'd like to

1575
01:35:22,200 --> 01:35:25,320
Speaker 1: see more of it. And I'll say something I've said

1576
01:35:25,400 --> 01:35:30,439
Speaker 1: in earlier roundups about this Miami team. The coaches seem

1577
01:35:30,520 --> 01:35:34,920
Speaker 1: to always be worried about putting too much in Carson

1578
01:35:34,960 --> 01:35:40,360
Speaker 1: Beck's hands. What are you waiting for? It's do or die.

1579
01:35:41,200 --> 01:35:44,080
Speaker 1: It's ride or die with him. Unlet's ride or die.

1580
01:35:44,800 --> 01:35:47,320
Speaker 1: Open it up a little bit. You have the talent,

1581
01:35:47,840 --> 01:35:49,720
Speaker 1: open up the middle of the field a little bit.

1582
01:35:52,880 --> 01:35:57,600
Speaker 1: It's if you're not going to win more big games

1583
01:35:58,160 --> 01:36:01,639
Speaker 1: if you don't trust your quarterback. And I do get

1584
01:36:01,640 --> 01:36:07,320
Speaker 1: the sense that this coaching staff doesn't quite trust him completely.

1585
01:36:08,439 --> 01:36:14,519
Speaker 1: And you can say he's not earned the trust. Well,

1586
01:36:14,560 --> 01:36:16,840
Speaker 1: at this point it doesn't matter. But look, I had

1587
01:36:16,840 --> 01:36:19,160
Speaker 1: said before my expectation was we were going to win

1588
01:36:19,160 --> 01:36:21,200
Speaker 1: this game. I look at it now, I think we

1589
01:36:21,200 --> 01:36:24,240
Speaker 1: should have won by more. I don't think this means

1590
01:36:24,280 --> 01:36:26,880
Speaker 1: that techs A and m you know, didn't belong there.

1591
01:36:26,920 --> 01:36:28,760
Speaker 1: And by the way, I love these Notre Dame fans

1592
01:36:28,800 --> 01:36:30,439
Speaker 1: that look at the Miami tex same game. They were

1593
01:36:30,439 --> 01:36:33,240
Speaker 1: better than both teams. You lost to both teams like that, they,

1594
01:36:33,360 --> 01:36:36,120
Speaker 1: you know, be mad about the group of five situations.

1595
01:36:36,120 --> 01:36:40,040
Speaker 1: And I do think it is amazing how often the

1596
01:36:40,080 --> 01:36:42,719
Speaker 1: college to the leaders of college football don't think about

1597
01:36:43,560 --> 01:36:48,320
Speaker 1: things as don't sort of have the ability to see

1598
01:36:48,640 --> 01:36:53,160
Speaker 1: the potential scenarios that could get created. Look, the reason

1599
01:36:53,200 --> 01:36:55,040
Speaker 1: a group of five has access is they don't want

1600
01:36:55,040 --> 01:36:58,599
Speaker 1: an anti trust lawsuit. They don't want to deal with that.

1601
01:36:59,040 --> 01:37:02,400
Speaker 1: So they've got to at least give the illusion that

1602
01:37:02,479 --> 01:37:07,519
Speaker 1: all of Division I college football has access to the playoff.

1603
01:37:09,400 --> 01:37:12,840
Speaker 1: But you know, they forgot the whole top fifteen part, right.

1604
01:37:12,920 --> 01:37:15,519
Speaker 1: You know, if you have a twelve team playoff, I

1605
01:37:15,520 --> 01:37:18,559
Speaker 1: think it's reasonable to say, as a conference champion, you

1606
01:37:18,560 --> 01:37:20,879
Speaker 1: only get to qualify if you're ranked in the top fifteen.

1607
01:37:21,960 --> 01:37:25,040
Speaker 1: If it's a sixteen playoff, sixteen team playoff, you can

1608
01:37:25,080 --> 01:37:27,240
Speaker 1: put that to the top twenty. But that way at

1609
01:37:27,320 --> 01:37:31,840
Speaker 1: least guarantee because neither Tulane or James Madison were in

1610
01:37:31,880 --> 01:37:37,360
Speaker 1: the top fifteen. Boise State last year was. But the

1611
01:37:37,400 --> 01:37:40,719
Speaker 1: other problem for the poor group of five is anil

1612
01:37:40,760 --> 01:37:45,280
Speaker 1: on the portal. Three or four years ago, you could

1613
01:37:45,320 --> 01:37:47,160
Speaker 1: have you always had a handful of group of five

1614
01:37:47,200 --> 01:37:49,960
Speaker 1: teams that basically just found more diamonds in the rough,

1615
01:37:51,000 --> 01:37:54,519
Speaker 1: and we're able to build successful programs around those diamonds

1616
01:37:54,520 --> 01:37:56,120
Speaker 1: in the rough. And in fact, some of these programs

1617
01:37:56,120 --> 01:38:00,320
Speaker 1: were so good they became Power Conference power players Utah. Right, Formally,

1618
01:38:00,360 --> 01:38:02,680
Speaker 1: a group of five ends up in the Power for

1619
01:38:03,000 --> 01:38:05,679
Speaker 1: all right, and they're they're a They're a mainstream power

1620
01:38:05,760 --> 01:38:09,519
Speaker 1: for conference right right, They're not like fledgling right. SMU

1621
01:38:09,600 --> 01:38:14,800
Speaker 1: is another one that was able to move up. But

1622
01:38:16,320 --> 01:38:20,760
Speaker 1: I think now with so many big time programs with

1623
01:38:21,080 --> 01:38:24,679
Speaker 1: their own scouting departments, these group these group of five

1624
01:38:24,760 --> 01:38:27,920
Speaker 1: programs just can't keep these players. The minute they find

1625
01:38:27,920 --> 01:38:31,160
Speaker 1: a diamond in the rough, they're gone. Ditto on the fcs.

1626
01:38:31,160 --> 01:38:34,719
Speaker 1: So the gap between the haves and the have nots

1627
01:38:34,800 --> 01:38:37,559
Speaker 1: is only going to grow in college football. So you

1628
01:38:37,680 --> 01:38:40,200
Speaker 1: had this, I mean both group of both group of

1629
01:38:40,240 --> 01:38:43,120
Speaker 1: five programs were just it was so clear they didn't

1630
01:38:43,160 --> 01:38:45,960
Speaker 1: belong on the same field due to size and speed.

1631
01:38:46,320 --> 01:38:49,120
Speaker 1: They may have the as good of coaches, they may

1632
01:38:49,120 --> 01:38:52,720
Speaker 1: have as good schemes, but they just simply didn't have

1633
01:38:52,800 --> 01:38:55,719
Speaker 1: enough size and they didn't have enough speed. And they're

1634
01:38:55,800 --> 01:38:57,680
Speaker 1: never going to have enough size and they're never going

1635
01:38:57,760 --> 01:39:01,759
Speaker 1: to have enough speed under these under this current scenario.

1636
01:39:02,200 --> 01:39:04,439
Speaker 1: But it's clear they got to put in some sort

1637
01:39:04,439 --> 01:39:07,759
Speaker 1: of you know, I think I think we all believe,

1638
01:39:09,000 --> 01:39:11,120
Speaker 1: you know, I look at sports in the same way

1639
01:39:11,160 --> 01:39:12,839
Speaker 1: look at you know, I think there should be a meritocra.

1640
01:39:12,880 --> 01:39:16,320
Speaker 1: I think you should have. You know, if somebody, you know,

1641
01:39:16,320 --> 01:39:21,120
Speaker 1: if a Northern Illinois alum is suddenly the next big

1642
01:39:21,200 --> 01:39:27,080
Speaker 1: tech financier makes billions and billions of dollars and wants

1643
01:39:27,120 --> 01:39:31,439
Speaker 1: to turn Northern Illinois into a power there should be

1644
01:39:31,439 --> 01:39:34,280
Speaker 1: It's just you know that pay that's the way the

1645
01:39:34,320 --> 01:39:37,479
Speaker 1: market works at the moment. Uh. And if they acquire

1646
01:39:37,560 --> 01:39:40,320
Speaker 1: enough talent and they're ranked in the top fifteen and

1647
01:39:40,360 --> 01:39:45,160
Speaker 1: they you know, more power to them. So, but you

1648
01:39:45,240 --> 01:39:47,519
Speaker 1: can come up with some sort of safety net in

1649
01:39:47,560 --> 01:39:49,479
Speaker 1: your rules in the playoffs so that you don't get

1650
01:39:50,000 --> 01:39:53,639
Speaker 1: embarrassing mismatches. Because here you had of the four playoff games,

1651
01:39:53,640 --> 01:39:57,200
Speaker 1: two tremendous playoff games between one Alabama and Oklahoma, and

1652
01:39:57,320 --> 01:39:59,360
Speaker 1: one that was a defensive battle between techs A and

1653
01:39:59,479 --> 01:40:04,000
Speaker 1: M and Miami, and two just real duds. Wouldn't have

1654
01:40:04,040 --> 01:40:08,599
Speaker 1: been better to see BYU and note BYU playing Ole

1655
01:40:08,720 --> 01:40:15,800
Speaker 1: Miss and say Oregon playing Notre Dame. Right, Look, we're

1656
01:40:15,800 --> 01:40:20,040
Speaker 1: gonna have four tremendous games coming up. Texas, Tech Oregon,

1657
01:40:21,200 --> 01:40:23,920
Speaker 1: two programs that want to be haves, but they don't

1658
01:40:23,960 --> 01:40:26,240
Speaker 1: have the pedigree yet. They have the money, but they

1659
01:40:26,280 --> 01:40:29,880
Speaker 1: don't have the pedigree. I think Miami Ohise State. That's

1660
01:40:29,880 --> 01:40:32,559
Speaker 1: a battle of I think combined they have over a

1661
01:40:32,600 --> 01:40:38,840
Speaker 1: dozen national titles between them. You have Indiana, Alabama, New Money,

1662
01:40:38,880 --> 01:40:42,880
Speaker 1: Old Money, Right, that's a fun one. And then we

1663
01:40:42,960 --> 01:40:46,800
Speaker 1: have Georgia Ole Miss, where we're gonna probably you know,

1664
01:40:46,880 --> 01:40:50,080
Speaker 1: I'm I'm I'm pretty pessimistic on I think I think

1665
01:40:50,120 --> 01:40:53,280
Speaker 1: Old Miss rallies around hating Lyn Kiffin once, can you

1666
01:40:53,320 --> 01:40:57,479
Speaker 1: do it a second time? I think that's especially in

1667
01:40:57,520 --> 01:41:00,519
Speaker 1: a game that takes place one day before the portal

1668
01:41:00,520 --> 01:41:03,240
Speaker 1: officially opens and we know there is going to be

1669
01:41:03,600 --> 01:41:07,080
Speaker 1: an explosion of ole miss players that will be raising

1670
01:41:07,120 --> 01:41:11,400
Speaker 1: their hands for contracts from Lane Kiffin's LSU program, So

1671
01:41:13,520 --> 01:41:19,200
Speaker 1: we shall see. Look, I'm excited. I'm like I told

1672
01:41:19,240 --> 01:41:23,280
Speaker 1: you before, I love Miami's path because there's all these

1673
01:41:23,280 --> 01:41:27,439
Speaker 1: sort of revenge moments. It's now been Listen. It's not

1674
01:41:27,520 --> 01:41:30,439
Speaker 1: lost on me that Miami has won eleven games and

1675
01:41:30,479 --> 01:41:33,240
Speaker 1: this is the that the last time they did that,

1676
01:41:34,400 --> 01:41:36,960
Speaker 1: I had no kids. My daughter is twenty one years old,

1677
01:41:37,479 --> 01:41:41,519
Speaker 1: is a senior in college, and it's the first time

1678
01:41:41,560 --> 01:41:44,960
Speaker 1: in her lifetime that Miami's won eleven or more games.

1679
01:41:45,040 --> 01:41:49,520
Speaker 1: So it's a reminder write history. It all depends your perspective.

1680
01:41:49,560 --> 01:41:53,679
Speaker 1: For me, Miami's heyday is recent history. For my daughter,

1681
01:41:54,360 --> 01:41:58,960
Speaker 1: it's ancient history. I think that probably serves as a

1682
01:41:58,960 --> 01:42:01,559
Speaker 1: good way to say goodbye to college football segment because

1683
01:42:01,600 --> 01:42:04,799
Speaker 1: in some ways it dovetails with everything we've been talking

1684
01:42:04,840 --> 01:42:08,040
Speaker 1: about today. If there is a through line of any

1685
01:42:08,080 --> 01:42:14,400
Speaker 1: of it, all right with that, I'll sign off. I

1686
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Speaker 1: will have, like I said, one more episode later this week.

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Speaker 1: Plus we're going to drop, like I said, a best

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Speaker 1: of It's an interview that I did a few months

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Speaker 1: ago that will be super relevant for a campaign that's

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Speaker 1: taking place in the spring of twenty six. So with that,

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Speaker 1: i'll sign off and i'll see in forty eight hours.