1 00:00:05,840 --> 00:00:16,080 Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. A gorgeous young twenty three 2 00:00:16,239 --> 00:00:20,079 Speaker 1: year old woman, Elizabeth travels from her Texas home in 3 00:00:20,160 --> 00:00:25,400 Speaker 1: search of her boyfriend, crossing the Mexican border. She was 4 00:00:25,520 --> 00:00:37,720 Speaker 1: never seen alive again. Why Crime Stories with Nancy Grace 5 00:00:44,840 --> 00:00:49,400 Speaker 1: take a listen to our friends at crime Online. Shortly 6 00:00:49,440 --> 00:00:52,959 Speaker 1: after walking across the Veterans International Bridge after five PM, 7 00:00:53,080 --> 00:00:55,760 Speaker 1: Elizabeth Flores called her mother, letting her know she was 8 00:00:55,760 --> 00:00:58,240 Speaker 1: in Madam Morrows and would be home soon. Her mother, 9 00:00:58,360 --> 00:01:04,880 Speaker 1: Maria Rubio, tells CARVTV quote, it was eleven twelve, one two, 10 00:01:05,120 --> 00:01:07,160 Speaker 1: and I kept calling her to find out where she 11 00:01:07,360 --> 00:01:09,720 Speaker 1: was and why she hadn't gotten home. And I couldn't 12 00:01:09,760 --> 00:01:11,840 Speaker 1: sleep all night because I was waiting up for her. 13 00:01:12,200 --> 00:01:14,880 Speaker 1: When Rubio still hadn't heard from her daughter by morning, 14 00:01:15,120 --> 00:01:17,600 Speaker 1: she called the Brownsville Police so they could help her 15 00:01:17,720 --> 00:01:19,760 Speaker 1: and opened up an investigation to help her find her. 16 00:01:19,959 --> 00:01:22,480 Speaker 1: The Brownsville Police put out a missing person's report on 17 00:01:22,520 --> 00:01:26,200 Speaker 1: Elizabeth Flores. The day after. She went to Matamoros, Mexico 18 00:01:26,800 --> 00:01:29,080 Speaker 1: with me an all star panel to break it down 19 00:01:29,120 --> 00:01:33,000 Speaker 1: and put it back together again again. This is Crime Stories. 20 00:01:33,040 --> 00:01:34,760 Speaker 1: I'm Nancy Grace, and I want to thank you for 21 00:01:34,840 --> 00:01:38,000 Speaker 1: being with us here at Fox Nation and Sirius XM 22 00:01:38,240 --> 00:01:43,560 Speaker 1: one eleven. Joining me, Katie Turkaski from California criminal defense attorney, 23 00:01:43,800 --> 00:01:47,280 Speaker 1: former JAG former federal prosecutor, and you can find her 24 00:01:47,600 --> 00:01:54,800 Speaker 1: at Golden Lawinc. Dot com. Doctor Daniel Bober, forensic psychiatrist, 25 00:01:54,920 --> 00:02:00,080 Speaker 1: chief of Psychiatry, Memorial Regional Healthcare, and Assistant Clinical Professor, 26 00:02:00,400 --> 00:02:03,640 Speaker 1: Yale University. You can find them on insta at doctor 27 00:02:03,720 --> 00:02:08,680 Speaker 1: Daniel Bober with me David Kat's former Senior Special Agent 28 00:02:08,760 --> 00:02:12,400 Speaker 1: with the DA. He is an author of the Executive's 29 00:02:12,440 --> 00:02:17,400 Speaker 1: Guide to Personal Security and the CEO Global Security Group 30 00:02:17,600 --> 00:02:22,720 Speaker 1: Global Security Group dot com. Wow, that's a mouthful. Medical examiner, 31 00:02:23,040 --> 00:02:27,160 Speaker 1: the medical examiner for the entire state of Florida. Joining me, 32 00:02:27,280 --> 00:02:32,240 Speaker 1: doctor Tim Gallagher. But first to Brandy Koncini with The 33 00:02:32,320 --> 00:02:40,320 Speaker 1: Katie Times. Brandy Keioncini question to you, I can't imagine 34 00:02:40,400 --> 00:02:44,080 Speaker 1: a worse nightmare for a parent. I mean, you raise 35 00:02:44,160 --> 00:02:47,959 Speaker 1: your child, you give them all your love, all your time, 36 00:02:48,440 --> 00:02:52,320 Speaker 1: all your money, dreams for their future, where they're going 37 00:02:52,400 --> 00:02:55,760 Speaker 1: to be, how you can help them get across the 38 00:02:55,760 --> 00:02:59,440 Speaker 1: finish line, and then you get that call, Hey, mom, 39 00:02:59,520 --> 00:03:03,400 Speaker 1: I made it, I'll call you later, but then you 40 00:03:03,440 --> 00:03:07,000 Speaker 1: don't hear back, and you call it eleven twelve, one 41 00:03:07,360 --> 00:03:10,800 Speaker 1: two on the hour till the sun comes up and 42 00:03:10,919 --> 00:03:16,840 Speaker 1: you can't find your daughter. Tell me about this young 43 00:03:16,919 --> 00:03:22,679 Speaker 1: lady Lizabeth traveling from Texas to go down to Mexico. 44 00:03:22,840 --> 00:03:26,880 Speaker 1: What do we know about her and her mother's relationship. Well, 45 00:03:26,919 --> 00:03:30,200 Speaker 1: what we know is that she was a young mom herself. 46 00:03:30,320 --> 00:03:34,400 Speaker 1: She had two young children, and she was very close 47 00:03:34,440 --> 00:03:39,160 Speaker 1: with her family. And she received a call that her 48 00:03:39,200 --> 00:03:42,840 Speaker 1: boyfriend had been kidnapped and was going to go pay 49 00:03:42,960 --> 00:03:46,880 Speaker 1: the ransom to go out my stars. Whoa whoa right 50 00:03:46,920 --> 00:03:52,680 Speaker 1: there straight out to the CEO Global Security Group, David Katz, 51 00:03:53,080 --> 00:03:58,200 Speaker 1: formerly with the DA. You know, it's hard enough finding 52 00:03:58,240 --> 00:04:02,640 Speaker 1: a missing person within the US, but finding somebody missing 53 00:04:02,960 --> 00:04:06,680 Speaker 1: in Mexico, you know what, forget about it. That's it's 54 00:04:06,760 --> 00:04:11,080 Speaker 1: just almost impossible. Well why because the Mexican authorities are 55 00:04:11,120 --> 00:04:15,360 Speaker 1: not nearly as good as professional as a United States authority. Boy, 56 00:04:15,400 --> 00:04:20,359 Speaker 1: that's an understatement. Huh. You sure put perfume on the 57 00:04:20,400 --> 00:04:23,640 Speaker 1: pig on that one. I mean, we can't get anything 58 00:04:23,640 --> 00:04:30,760 Speaker 1: out of Mexican authorities. We have a extradition treaty of sorts, 59 00:04:31,160 --> 00:04:34,159 Speaker 1: and you can't find anybody down there when they go 60 00:04:34,200 --> 00:04:37,719 Speaker 1: missing because so many of the law enforcement are in 61 00:04:37,920 --> 00:04:42,279 Speaker 1: league with the bad guys, the cartel. They're all getting 62 00:04:42,279 --> 00:04:46,520 Speaker 1: paid off exactly right. That's so it's it's a bit 63 00:04:46,560 --> 00:04:48,479 Speaker 1: of a roll of the dice. If you get you know, 64 00:04:48,560 --> 00:04:54,039 Speaker 1: the individual non corrupt law enforcement officer and unsadly to 65 00:04:54,080 --> 00:04:56,120 Speaker 1: say they're are not, they're fewer and fewer of those, 66 00:04:56,839 --> 00:04:59,720 Speaker 1: then you have an opportunity to forward a case. But 67 00:05:00,200 --> 00:05:02,680 Speaker 1: if you have somebody who, as you said it might 68 00:05:02,760 --> 00:05:05,360 Speaker 1: very well be working for the cartel in the moonlight hours, 69 00:05:05,440 --> 00:05:09,080 Speaker 1: then you're not getting anywhere. And tell me about the 70 00:05:09,160 --> 00:05:15,640 Speaker 1: Mexican law enforcement, because if suddenly one of my children 71 00:05:15,920 --> 00:05:19,520 Speaker 1: go missing in Mexico, I don't really know where I 72 00:05:19,520 --> 00:05:22,120 Speaker 1: would start, you know what, I'd swear it start first, 73 00:05:22,160 --> 00:05:25,279 Speaker 1: alert their authorities in the US authorities, But then I 74 00:05:25,440 --> 00:05:30,039 Speaker 1: get a private eye, somebody like a global security group 75 00:05:30,480 --> 00:05:34,799 Speaker 1: to help me figure out how to cross international borders 76 00:05:35,040 --> 00:05:36,920 Speaker 1: and find my child. I mean, how do you even 77 00:05:36,960 --> 00:05:41,960 Speaker 1: go about finding a missing person, a missing adult in Mexico. Well, 78 00:05:42,560 --> 00:05:46,720 Speaker 1: it's also an excellent question. So to your point, if 79 00:05:46,760 --> 00:05:49,400 Speaker 1: you if you went the private route. At least you 80 00:05:49,480 --> 00:05:53,520 Speaker 1: have the possibility of getting a network of individuals who 81 00:05:53,600 --> 00:05:56,160 Speaker 1: are from the lead of the area. And you know, 82 00:05:56,600 --> 00:05:59,359 Speaker 1: I hate to be so stark, but this is a 83 00:05:59,360 --> 00:06:03,040 Speaker 1: corrupt area. It's a corrupt nation with respect to law enforcements. 84 00:06:03,160 --> 00:06:05,839 Speaker 1: They're on the take. Do I even need to say, 85 00:06:05,960 --> 00:06:10,159 Speaker 1: El Chapo, you need to tell me that nobody knew 86 00:06:10,839 --> 00:06:15,119 Speaker 1: that Old Chappo's people were digging a tunnel miles long 87 00:06:15,680 --> 00:06:22,359 Speaker 1: with lighting with a little motorcycle route right under his cell. 88 00:06:22,640 --> 00:06:26,000 Speaker 1: It's like Epstein. Nobody noticed that he was gone from 89 00:06:26,000 --> 00:06:28,000 Speaker 1: his cell and he went to the bathroom which is 90 00:06:28,160 --> 00:06:30,719 Speaker 1: behind a little petition like that, and then nobody saw 91 00:06:30,760 --> 00:06:34,200 Speaker 1: him for hours and whoops, he was gone. Nobody knew. 92 00:06:34,320 --> 00:06:37,440 Speaker 1: Imagine that. Of course they're dirty. Yeah, well, I mean 93 00:06:37,440 --> 00:06:39,480 Speaker 1: in this case, in this case, that can actually work 94 00:06:39,480 --> 00:06:41,400 Speaker 1: in your favor because if you have, if you have 95 00:06:41,480 --> 00:06:43,880 Speaker 1: the wherewithal, the taste to pay for information, you're going 96 00:06:43,920 --> 00:06:45,880 Speaker 1: to get it. Absent that you got to rely on 97 00:06:46,000 --> 00:06:49,520 Speaker 1: your local authorities. They'll contact the FBI, they'll reach out 98 00:06:49,560 --> 00:06:52,159 Speaker 1: to their counterparts in Mexico, and they'll do the best 99 00:06:52,200 --> 00:06:54,840 Speaker 1: they can. But what do you mean their counterparts who 100 00:06:55,400 --> 00:06:58,839 Speaker 1: do their private eyes and mako, what do we actually 101 00:06:58,880 --> 00:07:01,080 Speaker 1: we actually have like a you know, we're fortunate enough 102 00:07:01,080 --> 00:07:03,320 Speaker 1: to have a good, good network of context down in Mexico. 103 00:07:03,760 --> 00:07:08,880 Speaker 1: But they're locals, they know the system. There are legitimate 104 00:07:08,920 --> 00:07:12,600 Speaker 1: law enforcement individuals in Mexico. We've worked the EA's worked 105 00:07:12,600 --> 00:07:16,040 Speaker 1: with them, sometimes sometimes to our our our dismay, but 106 00:07:16,120 --> 00:07:18,600 Speaker 1: sometimes it works out very very well. So there are 107 00:07:18,680 --> 00:07:21,120 Speaker 1: vetted units if if you if if it's the best 108 00:07:21,120 --> 00:07:24,400 Speaker 1: way to describe it. There there they're checked, their polygraphed, 109 00:07:24,400 --> 00:07:29,960 Speaker 1: the there, reliability is assessed, so those folks can be enlisted. 110 00:07:30,000 --> 00:07:32,160 Speaker 1: But then again, you're dealing with an open area. You're 111 00:07:32,200 --> 00:07:34,480 Speaker 1: dealing with an area that doesn't We have cameras, we 112 00:07:34,520 --> 00:07:37,440 Speaker 1: have license plate readers, we have bridges, tolls and tunnels 113 00:07:37,480 --> 00:07:40,560 Speaker 1: that once once you get into Mexico, you're you're you're 114 00:07:40,640 --> 00:07:44,040 Speaker 1: losing a lot of that electronic tracking ability that we 115 00:07:44,080 --> 00:07:46,520 Speaker 1: come to take for granted here in US law enforcement. 116 00:07:46,640 --> 00:07:50,080 Speaker 1: Unless unless you have someone as much of an idget 117 00:07:50,120 --> 00:07:53,840 Speaker 1: as the affluents attain. Remember him, Ethan Couch, remember him 118 00:07:53,880 --> 00:07:57,120 Speaker 1: doctor Daniel bob Or forensics say hi, trist Uh. We 119 00:07:57,200 --> 00:08:00,720 Speaker 1: talked about him a lot. He killed I think three 120 00:08:00,840 --> 00:08:03,920 Speaker 1: or four people driving under the influence for the millionth 121 00:08:03,960 --> 00:08:08,760 Speaker 1: time permanently paralyzed another. As the people were on the 122 00:08:08,760 --> 00:08:12,280 Speaker 1: side of the road changing attire. He was high as 123 00:08:12,320 --> 00:08:16,040 Speaker 1: a kite, and his mother, Tanya, I think what's her name, 124 00:08:16,080 --> 00:08:18,720 Speaker 1: took him on the lamb to Mexico and then the 125 00:08:18,800 --> 00:08:21,560 Speaker 1: two you know what, I'll just say it, idiots. I 126 00:08:21,600 --> 00:08:24,560 Speaker 1: don't like. We don't use the S word. Okay, in 127 00:08:24,560 --> 00:08:26,800 Speaker 1: our house, the S word is stupid. We don't say that. 128 00:08:26,880 --> 00:08:29,880 Speaker 1: So I'm just gonna go with idiots. They use their 129 00:08:30,000 --> 00:08:33,760 Speaker 1: cell phone at a five star resort in Mexico to 130 00:08:33,920 --> 00:08:37,360 Speaker 1: order a pizza. Bam got him. So at least we 131 00:08:37,400 --> 00:08:40,960 Speaker 1: can search cell phones. Do you remember that, doctor Daniel 132 00:08:40,960 --> 00:08:44,040 Speaker 1: bober yep? I remember what people think that we can't 133 00:08:44,080 --> 00:08:47,120 Speaker 1: track a cell phone because you cross into Mexico. I mean, 134 00:08:47,160 --> 00:08:49,360 Speaker 1: people just you would think in this day and age, 135 00:08:49,400 --> 00:08:51,440 Speaker 1: with movies and the internet, people would have an idea 136 00:08:51,480 --> 00:08:54,320 Speaker 1: how technology works. But sometimes they just don't. And the 137 00:08:54,360 --> 00:09:10,240 Speaker 1: other thing is a certain degree of arrogance. Crime Stories 138 00:09:10,240 --> 00:09:13,920 Speaker 1: with Nancy Grace, Guys, again, thank you for being with 139 00:09:14,040 --> 00:09:16,720 Speaker 1: us here at Fox Nation. In series M one eleven, 140 00:09:17,160 --> 00:09:21,160 Speaker 1: a beautiful young mom just twenty three years old. Lizabeth 141 00:09:21,600 --> 00:09:26,200 Speaker 1: gets a mysterious call that her fiance is in danger, 142 00:09:26,480 --> 00:09:30,240 Speaker 1: kidnapped in Mexico, and just like in the movies, she 143 00:09:30,400 --> 00:09:34,200 Speaker 1: takes off to try to save him. Thank God in 144 00:09:34,320 --> 00:09:37,800 Speaker 1: heaven she didn't have her children with her. Take a 145 00:09:37,840 --> 00:09:43,640 Speaker 1: listen to our friend at crime online. Lisbeth Flores reportedly 146 00:09:43,679 --> 00:09:46,920 Speaker 1: received a call from an individual in Mexico who told 147 00:09:46,920 --> 00:09:49,760 Speaker 1: her that he and his group had kidnapped her boyfriend 148 00:09:49,800 --> 00:09:53,560 Speaker 1: and demanded a ransom. Flora's mother says Lizabeth told her 149 00:09:53,600 --> 00:09:55,520 Speaker 1: that she was going to Madame Morros to find her 150 00:09:55,559 --> 00:09:57,720 Speaker 1: boyfriend and that she would be back later that night. 151 00:09:58,040 --> 00:10:00,719 Speaker 1: Flores is said to have crossed into Mexico via the 152 00:10:00,800 --> 00:10:04,360 Speaker 1: Veterans International Bridge that afternoon with an undisclosed amount of 153 00:10:04,400 --> 00:10:08,000 Speaker 1: cash on her person. Maria Rubio says when her daughter 154 00:10:08,040 --> 00:10:11,120 Speaker 1: wasn't home as planned, she tried calling her every hour, 155 00:10:11,200 --> 00:10:14,240 Speaker 1: starting at eleven PM, all through the night. The next day, 156 00:10:14,360 --> 00:10:18,600 Speaker 1: Rubio called Brownsville, Texas police and reported Florrez missing. You know, 157 00:10:18,640 --> 00:10:21,960 Speaker 1: I'm just thinking about this, this mom heading off into 158 00:10:21,960 --> 00:10:25,760 Speaker 1: the night, trying to find her fiance, getting what money 159 00:10:25,920 --> 00:10:30,360 Speaker 1: she has and taking off to Katie a. Turkaski joining 160 00:10:30,360 --> 00:10:35,480 Speaker 1: me out of California. Former prosecutor now defense attorney. Katie again, 161 00:10:35,559 --> 00:10:39,480 Speaker 1: thank you for being with us. This kidnapped for ransom 162 00:10:40,320 --> 00:10:44,160 Speaker 1: is in the US anyway, typically in the movies and 163 00:10:44,240 --> 00:10:48,520 Speaker 1: in novels, right, it doesn't happen that much in Mexico. 164 00:10:48,960 --> 00:10:53,520 Speaker 1: It's a whole another ball game. Katie, m alright, Oh, absolutely, 165 00:10:53,640 --> 00:10:56,200 Speaker 1: And I think it's just crazy to think that this 166 00:10:56,280 --> 00:10:58,840 Speaker 1: girl told her mom what she was doing, and I 167 00:10:58,880 --> 00:11:01,839 Speaker 1: guess that would give anything hearent huge concern when somebody 168 00:11:01,880 --> 00:11:05,080 Speaker 1: doesn't return from a trip like that. So it's a 169 00:11:05,240 --> 00:11:09,240 Speaker 1: very tragic situation, to say the least. In fact, in Mexico, 170 00:11:09,679 --> 00:11:14,880 Speaker 1: people are kidnapped for ransom a lot, Katie Tcherkaski, not 171 00:11:14,960 --> 00:11:19,160 Speaker 1: necessarily Americans, but Americans too. It happens a lot there. 172 00:11:19,840 --> 00:11:23,520 Speaker 1: What's the difference. Why is it uncommon in the US 173 00:11:23,600 --> 00:11:27,400 Speaker 1: and then you cross the border and it's very common, Katie, Well, 174 00:11:27,440 --> 00:11:29,360 Speaker 1: I think it's just a matter of enforcement. I mean, 175 00:11:29,440 --> 00:11:32,000 Speaker 1: as we're talking about there's a lot of corruptions south 176 00:11:32,000 --> 00:11:34,120 Speaker 1: of the border. We want to think that there's legitimate 177 00:11:34,160 --> 00:11:38,320 Speaker 1: agencies that will work to help solve crimes. But everybody 178 00:11:38,360 --> 00:11:40,560 Speaker 1: knows if you're going to commit a crime, cross the 179 00:11:40,600 --> 00:11:42,200 Speaker 1: border and go on the lamb, and you'll have a 180 00:11:42,320 --> 00:11:45,800 Speaker 1: very good chance of potentially escaping justice. For a long time. 181 00:11:46,080 --> 00:11:48,080 Speaker 1: There's things people can get away with, and then there's 182 00:11:48,120 --> 00:11:51,079 Speaker 1: things people can't. People will continue to do the things 183 00:11:51,160 --> 00:11:54,839 Speaker 1: that work. Quite frankly, so this gorgeous twenty three year 184 00:11:54,840 --> 00:11:57,880 Speaker 1: old girl, and you can find her. She's a woman, 185 00:11:57,960 --> 00:12:01,920 Speaker 1: she's got two children in searcher for fiance. Wouldn't you 186 00:12:01,920 --> 00:12:04,880 Speaker 1: have done the same thing? Wouldn't you have jumped in 187 00:12:04,920 --> 00:12:09,800 Speaker 1: that car and taken off? Because this place, Madame Morros Mexico, 188 00:12:10,240 --> 00:12:16,360 Speaker 1: known locally as Heroica, is in northeastern Mexico and it's 189 00:12:16,520 --> 00:12:22,080 Speaker 1: right across the border from Brownsville, Texas. So when we 190 00:12:22,120 --> 00:12:28,920 Speaker 1: say she traveled from Texas to find the fiance, it's 191 00:12:28,960 --> 00:12:32,760 Speaker 1: not really that far. So she takes off in the 192 00:12:32,880 --> 00:12:35,280 Speaker 1: night and the pain, you know, why is it? Doctor 193 00:12:35,360 --> 00:12:38,320 Speaker 1: Daniel Bober? Did you know? Doctor Bober? And I think 194 00:12:38,360 --> 00:12:40,320 Speaker 1: we were talking about this the other day. My son 195 00:12:40,440 --> 00:12:44,400 Speaker 1: John David is now about six feet tall. He's twelve, 196 00:12:45,320 --> 00:12:48,640 Speaker 1: doctor Bober, He's twelve, and I tell him I'm taught. 197 00:12:48,679 --> 00:12:50,560 Speaker 1: I'm the tallest one in the house as long as 198 00:12:50,559 --> 00:12:53,000 Speaker 1: I have the code to Amazon. But I think of 199 00:12:53,080 --> 00:12:57,760 Speaker 1: him doctor Bober as his feet, his toes are right here, 200 00:12:58,200 --> 00:13:01,160 Speaker 1: and his head is right here. Because my dad and 201 00:13:01,240 --> 00:13:04,240 Speaker 1: I especially my dad would hold the twins just like that, 202 00:13:04,480 --> 00:13:07,080 Speaker 1: and when I look at them, that's what I see, 203 00:13:07,280 --> 00:13:11,760 Speaker 1: my little babies. And you know, this mom was calling 204 00:13:11,760 --> 00:13:15,400 Speaker 1: and calling and calling Elizabeth although the night on the hour, 205 00:13:15,840 --> 00:13:19,480 Speaker 1: and she wouldn't pick up. Why do I and other 206 00:13:19,559 --> 00:13:25,720 Speaker 1: parents still see their grown children as babies. It's maternal instincts, Nancy. 207 00:13:25,760 --> 00:13:28,800 Speaker 1: They're always going to be a baby to you because 208 00:13:28,960 --> 00:13:31,600 Speaker 1: you know, you picked them up from their crib and 209 00:13:31,679 --> 00:13:33,480 Speaker 1: you watch them grow up, and so you're always going 210 00:13:33,559 --> 00:13:35,400 Speaker 1: to have that connection and you're always going to see 211 00:13:35,400 --> 00:13:37,480 Speaker 1: them that way, in a way that other people will 212 00:13:37,480 --> 00:13:40,920 Speaker 1: never see them. And you know, if you've got a 213 00:13:40,960 --> 00:13:44,320 Speaker 1: tender heart like I do, like this morning, Lucy was 214 00:13:44,440 --> 00:13:47,440 Speaker 1: very sassy over the weekend. So her big punishment, Jackie 215 00:13:47,600 --> 00:13:49,600 Speaker 1: was I made her clean out in the guinea pickage 216 00:13:49,720 --> 00:13:53,040 Speaker 1: her guinea pigs before school this morning. That was the 217 00:13:53,080 --> 00:13:57,120 Speaker 1: big punishment because it's usually me shoveling poop at a 218 00:13:57,200 --> 00:14:00,520 Speaker 1: quarter of seven other drama and it hurt me to 219 00:14:00,640 --> 00:14:04,080 Speaker 1: do that, but I see her as a little as 220 00:14:04,120 --> 00:14:07,600 Speaker 1: my little baby. And you know this Motherlizabeth's mother going 221 00:14:07,640 --> 00:14:10,440 Speaker 1: through h E double l calling on the hour, the 222 00:14:10,520 --> 00:14:13,880 Speaker 1: phone going straight to voicemail. Jackie's waving and noted at 223 00:14:13,880 --> 00:14:17,079 Speaker 1: me it's a good one too. In twenty eighteen, there 224 00:14:17,080 --> 00:14:25,200 Speaker 1: were nearly two thousand kidnappings in Mexico for ransom. Kidnappings, 225 00:14:25,240 --> 00:14:30,160 Speaker 1: so it's very very common there. And then well, well, 226 00:14:30,560 --> 00:14:33,640 Speaker 1: who's jumping in? Is that Katie? This is this is 227 00:14:33,680 --> 00:14:36,120 Speaker 1: Brandy jump in? Brandy. Well, I just wanted to let 228 00:14:36,200 --> 00:14:39,840 Speaker 1: you know that since the pandemic started, there's been an 229 00:14:39,880 --> 00:14:44,840 Speaker 1: even greater spike in kidnaps kidnapping than extortion, especially in 230 00:14:44,880 --> 00:14:49,480 Speaker 1: Matta Morris. Because of all that, the cartel's numbers have 231 00:14:49,560 --> 00:14:53,160 Speaker 1: gone down, and so the kidnappings and the extortion have 232 00:14:53,240 --> 00:14:56,800 Speaker 1: been a way to raise extra funds. So this is 233 00:14:57,000 --> 00:15:00,320 Speaker 1: not unheard of. You mean the cartel's drug money has 234 00:15:00,360 --> 00:15:03,120 Speaker 1: gone down, Is that what you're saying? Yeah, so they're 235 00:15:03,240 --> 00:15:08,560 Speaker 1: relying on kidnapping for ransom. Oh my goodness, Katie, Texas 236 00:15:08,840 --> 00:15:12,640 Speaker 1: Katie Times owner Brandy Kioncini is with me. She's right 237 00:15:12,680 --> 00:15:15,440 Speaker 1: there in Texas, how far is it do you know 238 00:15:15,520 --> 00:15:19,400 Speaker 1: from where Elizabeth took off to Madama's don't think it's 239 00:15:19,440 --> 00:15:22,280 Speaker 1: that far. It's not. It's not very far at all. 240 00:15:23,000 --> 00:15:25,320 Speaker 1: Where she was from a is Los Fresmos, which is 241 00:15:25,440 --> 00:15:29,720 Speaker 1: just north of Brownsville, and Brownsville is right there on 242 00:15:29,760 --> 00:15:32,240 Speaker 1: the border across from Adam Morris. You just walk across 243 00:15:32,360 --> 00:15:37,320 Speaker 1: the bridge. And as a lifelong Texan growing up, we 244 00:15:37,320 --> 00:15:39,920 Speaker 1: were all taught, you know, if you go to Mexico, 245 00:15:40,280 --> 00:15:43,080 Speaker 1: you make sure you stay in the safe areas. You 246 00:15:43,320 --> 00:15:46,560 Speaker 1: don't get separated from your friends because you could get kidnapped. 247 00:15:47,480 --> 00:15:50,200 Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, this is this was just part of 248 00:15:50,240 --> 00:15:54,320 Speaker 1: the nature and it's always been that way, you know. 249 00:15:54,520 --> 00:15:58,080 Speaker 1: Brandy Kionsini, I just finished writing a book. Hey, it's 250 00:15:58,080 --> 00:16:02,000 Speaker 1: going on sale September twenty two, but Don't be a victim, 251 00:16:02,040 --> 00:16:05,120 Speaker 1: Finding back against America's crime Wave. And in it I 252 00:16:05,160 --> 00:16:12,080 Speaker 1: addressed traveling, traveling abroad, and traveling in the US by 253 00:16:12,280 --> 00:16:17,160 Speaker 1: RV camping the works. But Brandy Cancini, I started the 254 00:16:17,240 --> 00:16:20,800 Speaker 1: chapter on traveling abroad, I ended up doing almost a 255 00:16:20,800 --> 00:16:25,440 Speaker 1: whole chapter on traveling to Mexico because the numbers of 256 00:16:25,800 --> 00:16:30,920 Speaker 1: deaths and kidnappings in Mexico is insane. And I think 257 00:16:30,920 --> 00:16:33,480 Speaker 1: back Brandy to the times that I went there to dive. 258 00:16:34,920 --> 00:16:37,160 Speaker 1: Of course, I was underwater almost the whole time. I 259 00:16:37,240 --> 00:16:38,880 Speaker 1: come out of the water, eat dinner, go to sleep. 260 00:16:38,880 --> 00:16:42,920 Speaker 1: I'd be so tired. But if you don't stay on 261 00:16:42,960 --> 00:16:47,440 Speaker 1: your little resort, you're screwed. Yes, absolutely, Tourist areas are 262 00:16:47,840 --> 00:16:51,840 Speaker 1: obviously a lot, a lot safer simply because they want 263 00:16:51,840 --> 00:16:54,400 Speaker 1: you to come back, and Americans provide a lot of 264 00:16:54,480 --> 00:16:59,760 Speaker 1: income to those areas. But places like Matta Morris, Laredo, 265 00:17:00,040 --> 00:17:03,520 Speaker 1: ne Waiver, Laredo, those kind of border towns, those are 266 00:17:03,640 --> 00:17:07,240 Speaker 1: very very popular with the college set in Texas. What 267 00:17:07,880 --> 00:17:10,760 Speaker 1: I was working at Sears Robot, trying to fill up 268 00:17:10,800 --> 00:17:13,639 Speaker 1: the tank of my Toyota Corolla. In high school, what 269 00:17:13,720 --> 00:17:15,720 Speaker 1: do you mean? And the college the high did you 270 00:17:15,720 --> 00:17:18,919 Speaker 1: say high school or college? Well, most of college, but 271 00:17:18,960 --> 00:17:24,560 Speaker 1: there are plenty of the same thing. In college they 272 00:17:24,720 --> 00:17:28,639 Speaker 1: go to like break in Mexico. Yep, they love to 273 00:17:28,680 --> 00:17:30,880 Speaker 1: go over there. The booze is cheap, there's a lot 274 00:17:30,880 --> 00:17:32,520 Speaker 1: of you. You can have a lot of fun there 275 00:17:33,040 --> 00:17:35,880 Speaker 1: and so bad stuff can happen if you're not careful. 276 00:17:35,960 --> 00:17:40,000 Speaker 1: And um, and that's what happens a lot of times. 277 00:17:40,520 --> 00:17:44,080 Speaker 1: I myself personally went over to the border, probably about 278 00:17:44,119 --> 00:17:46,000 Speaker 1: fifteen years ago was the last time I did it. 279 00:17:46,800 --> 00:17:50,080 Speaker 1: We went over, Uh, just for fun, to go have 280 00:17:50,240 --> 00:17:54,080 Speaker 1: dinner and have a fun to go get kidnapped. Well, 281 00:17:54,119 --> 00:17:55,960 Speaker 1: and that was the thing I wish you would ask 282 00:17:56,000 --> 00:17:58,920 Speaker 1: me first. Brandy Kianzani asked me the next time we're 283 00:17:59,200 --> 00:18:03,280 Speaker 1: thinking of going to Mexico. Well, you're hearing Brandy Curancini, 284 00:18:03,480 --> 00:18:05,560 Speaker 1: who's a native there in Texas, can tell you all 285 00:18:05,600 --> 00:18:08,920 Speaker 1: about crossing the border for a vacation. But in the 286 00:18:08,960 --> 00:18:11,280 Speaker 1: middle of the night, Elizabeth Florence takes off to try 287 00:18:11,320 --> 00:18:15,800 Speaker 1: to find her fiance. I want you to hear when 288 00:18:15,800 --> 00:18:18,760 Speaker 1: the case takes a turn, take a listen to our 289 00:18:18,800 --> 00:18:22,399 Speaker 1: friend Rainad Rodriguez flex New South Texas. The body of 290 00:18:22,400 --> 00:18:24,919 Speaker 1: a young woman who had gone missing from Cameron County 291 00:18:25,000 --> 00:18:28,560 Speaker 1: was found in Mexico. A missing person report was filed 292 00:18:28,560 --> 00:18:31,280 Speaker 1: by the Brounso Police Department for a twenty three year 293 00:18:31,280 --> 00:18:35,240 Speaker 1: old Elizabeth Florides on Monday. Investigators love Florides had crossed 294 00:18:35,240 --> 00:18:39,440 Speaker 1: into Mexico through the Veterans International Bridge. Sunday afternoon, officials 295 00:18:39,440 --> 00:18:43,080 Speaker 1: confirmed Flora Floridace's body was found in Matamoros. Her family 296 00:18:43,200 --> 00:18:46,399 Speaker 1: has been referred to the Mexican consulate. The Attorney General 297 00:18:46,400 --> 00:19:00,719 Speaker 1: of Tamolibaz is taking part in the investigation. Stories with 298 00:19:00,840 --> 00:19:06,040 Speaker 1: Nancy Grace, the guys, we were talking about the disappearance, 299 00:19:06,119 --> 00:19:11,360 Speaker 1: and now we know the murder of a gorgeous young mom. 300 00:19:12,280 --> 00:19:17,000 Speaker 1: Twenty three year old Lizabeth, two little children. She gets 301 00:19:17,000 --> 00:19:23,040 Speaker 1: a call that her fiance has been kidnapped. She lives around, well, 302 00:19:23,040 --> 00:19:28,320 Speaker 1: it's Fresnos, Texas, but it's near Brownsville, which is a hop, 303 00:19:28,400 --> 00:19:32,160 Speaker 1: skip and a jump to the Mexican border. So this 304 00:19:32,280 --> 00:19:37,560 Speaker 1: Texan mom takes off with a bag of money. She's 305 00:19:37,600 --> 00:19:41,320 Speaker 1: got her little money together to try to get her fiance. 306 00:19:43,320 --> 00:19:47,640 Speaker 1: Then we get the news that she herself has been murdered. 307 00:19:49,000 --> 00:19:52,600 Speaker 1: But that's just the tip of the iceberg. Take a 308 00:19:52,600 --> 00:19:56,600 Speaker 1: listen to our friends at the Star Telegram. Lizabeth Flores, 309 00:19:56,800 --> 00:19:59,920 Speaker 1: twenty three, was discovered dead in Mexico on August eleve, 310 00:20:00,400 --> 00:20:03,200 Speaker 1: two days after crossing the border from Brownsville to see 311 00:20:03,200 --> 00:20:06,480 Speaker 1: her boyfriend. Her remains were found in Mattam Morris, about 312 00:20:06,480 --> 00:20:09,760 Speaker 1: twenty minutes away. Police said Florrie's death was the result 313 00:20:09,760 --> 00:20:12,320 Speaker 1: of blunt force trauma to the head, likely from large 314 00:20:12,359 --> 00:20:14,760 Speaker 1: rocks found near the scene. All of her teeth were 315 00:20:14,760 --> 00:20:17,240 Speaker 1: missing and bruising to much of her body, lead authorities 316 00:20:17,240 --> 00:20:20,440 Speaker 1: to believe she was tortured. Her mother, Maria Rubio, told 317 00:20:20,480 --> 00:20:22,800 Speaker 1: Telemundo of forty that her daughter had gone to visit 318 00:20:22,800 --> 00:20:26,280 Speaker 1: her boyfriend August ninth. She grew worried when Lizbeth didn't 319 00:20:26,280 --> 00:20:28,919 Speaker 1: return home that evening and filed a missing person report. 320 00:20:29,440 --> 00:20:31,720 Speaker 1: Losing a child is like having your heart ripped out, 321 00:20:31,880 --> 00:20:34,560 Speaker 1: Florrie's mother told the outlet, as translated by The New 322 00:20:34,640 --> 00:20:37,440 Speaker 1: York Post, I feel such sadness because of what they 323 00:20:37,440 --> 00:20:40,000 Speaker 1: did to my daughter, the way they left her, the 324 00:20:40,080 --> 00:20:42,159 Speaker 1: pain that my daughter went through there in that moment, 325 00:20:42,600 --> 00:20:46,439 Speaker 1: that's what hurts joining me now. In addition to Katie 326 00:20:46,440 --> 00:20:51,439 Speaker 1: Turkasky out of California, doctor Daniel bober For psychiatrist David 327 00:20:51,560 --> 00:20:57,159 Speaker 1: Kats with Global Security Group, Brandy Kioncini, the owner of 328 00:20:57,200 --> 00:21:02,359 Speaker 1: the Katie Times, They're in Texas is doctor Tim Gallagher, 329 00:21:02,680 --> 00:21:07,080 Speaker 1: the medical examiner for the entire state of Florida. That's 330 00:21:07,080 --> 00:21:10,760 Speaker 1: a big deal because usually you have a medical examiner 331 00:21:10,800 --> 00:21:15,560 Speaker 1: for the county or for a few counties together. He's 332 00:21:15,600 --> 00:21:19,120 Speaker 1: the medical examiner for the whole state of Florida, and 333 00:21:19,359 --> 00:21:22,600 Speaker 1: let me assure you there's never a lack of business. 334 00:21:22,920 --> 00:21:28,280 Speaker 1: Doctor Tim Gallagher blunt forced trauma to the head on 335 00:21:28,320 --> 00:21:32,400 Speaker 1: this beautiful young twenty three year old mom, likely from 336 00:21:32,400 --> 00:21:38,359 Speaker 1: a rock near where her body was found. Doctor Gallagher, 337 00:21:38,880 --> 00:21:45,399 Speaker 1: all of her teeth were taken out and she was 338 00:21:45,720 --> 00:21:51,800 Speaker 1: so bruised police believe that she was tortured. Let's just 339 00:21:51,920 --> 00:21:59,120 Speaker 1: start with the teeth. Very often teeth are taken out, 340 00:21:59,359 --> 00:22:03,720 Speaker 1: fingertips are removed, so there will be no way to 341 00:22:04,040 --> 00:22:10,440 Speaker 1: id the dead body. How is it that your teeth 342 00:22:10,840 --> 00:22:16,919 Speaker 1: identify you? Yeah, we use dental records and post mortem 343 00:22:16,960 --> 00:22:20,760 Speaker 1: teeth X rays to identify people unidentify people all the time, 344 00:22:21,480 --> 00:22:24,320 Speaker 1: several times a week, many times a month to do that. 345 00:22:25,280 --> 00:22:27,719 Speaker 1: If you look at dental X rays, each one of 346 00:22:27,720 --> 00:22:34,120 Speaker 1: your teeth have very individualized characteristics that are that are 347 00:22:34,160 --> 00:22:37,119 Speaker 1: customed just to you. So if we can take the 348 00:22:39,359 --> 00:22:44,600 Speaker 1: dental records from when they were alive and then take 349 00:22:44,800 --> 00:22:47,080 Speaker 1: X rays from when they are deceased and match up 350 00:22:47,119 --> 00:22:49,840 Speaker 1: those teeth, all we really need are three to five 351 00:22:49,960 --> 00:22:55,280 Speaker 1: points of uniquely identifying features to positively identify that person 352 00:22:56,640 --> 00:22:59,840 Speaker 1: you know, and to have teeth removed forcibly like they do, 353 00:23:02,000 --> 00:23:04,920 Speaker 1: requires a great deal of for us, especially in somebody 354 00:23:05,119 --> 00:23:08,000 Speaker 1: young like this twenty three year old woman. So this 355 00:23:08,280 --> 00:23:10,879 Speaker 1: was if she was alive. This is probably one of 356 00:23:10,880 --> 00:23:15,040 Speaker 1: the most painful procedures that you can do in terms 357 00:23:15,040 --> 00:23:18,760 Speaker 1: of torture for her. So my heart actually goes out 358 00:23:18,800 --> 00:23:23,680 Speaker 1: to the family and to her children because she had 359 00:23:23,720 --> 00:23:28,000 Speaker 1: suffered so much. Doctor Gallagher, is there a way to 360 00:23:28,200 --> 00:23:31,879 Speaker 1: determine if her teeth were pulled out while she was 361 00:23:31,920 --> 00:23:36,280 Speaker 1: still alive? That's going to be very difficult without somebody 362 00:23:36,359 --> 00:23:40,000 Speaker 1: witnessing it. As far as looking at the autopsy and 363 00:23:40,080 --> 00:23:43,480 Speaker 1: looking at where the teeth were in the body, all 364 00:23:43,520 --> 00:23:46,879 Speaker 1: we can say is that they were removed at the 365 00:23:46,920 --> 00:23:50,200 Speaker 1: time of her death or around the time of her death, 366 00:23:50,240 --> 00:23:51,960 Speaker 1: But there's no way to act. Wait a minute, her 367 00:23:52,160 --> 00:23:55,840 Speaker 1: if they had been removed post mortem after she was 368 00:23:55,960 --> 00:23:58,600 Speaker 1: killed as a way to keep her from being identified, 369 00:23:59,520 --> 00:24:03,320 Speaker 1: would the gums have bled because the heartwhit me pumping 370 00:24:03,359 --> 00:24:06,399 Speaker 1: blood as opposed to if they were removed in life, 371 00:24:07,000 --> 00:24:10,439 Speaker 1: it would be bleeding profusely. Oh, that's absolutely true. You 372 00:24:10,480 --> 00:24:13,360 Speaker 1: can look at in the ginger boat or the gums 373 00:24:13,760 --> 00:24:17,440 Speaker 1: to see if there is any hemorrhage or bleeding that 374 00:24:17,720 --> 00:24:21,879 Speaker 1: occurred there because she had a blood pressure. But you're right, Nancy, 375 00:24:22,200 --> 00:24:25,160 Speaker 1: if a tooth is removed when the person is dead, 376 00:24:25,320 --> 00:24:27,920 Speaker 1: then you will not have that bleeding around the gums, 377 00:24:27,960 --> 00:24:30,919 Speaker 1: and you could stay with a great deal of confidence 378 00:24:30,920 --> 00:24:34,400 Speaker 1: that that tooth was removed after they had expired. Jackie, 379 00:24:34,400 --> 00:24:37,400 Speaker 1: did I tell him that before? He told me. I'm 380 00:24:37,480 --> 00:24:40,520 Speaker 1: so happy. I've never learned so much from you, Nancy, 381 00:24:40,560 --> 00:24:44,520 Speaker 1: I told you a single thing until today. I want 382 00:24:44,520 --> 00:24:48,280 Speaker 1: a copy of this, you know. Jakata Cherkasky joining me 383 00:24:48,520 --> 00:24:52,199 Speaker 1: a criminal defense attorney, former prosecutor and jag at Golden 384 00:24:52,280 --> 00:24:57,520 Speaker 1: Law Inc. Dot Com. Katie, I'm thinking this whole thing through. 385 00:24:58,040 --> 00:25:00,720 Speaker 1: We can't tell. We don't know the aunt, sir, if 386 00:25:00,720 --> 00:25:04,880 Speaker 1: the teeth were pulled in life or post mortem, but 387 00:25:05,119 --> 00:25:08,600 Speaker 1: based on all the bruising, it seems as if she 388 00:25:08,680 --> 00:25:11,680 Speaker 1: were tortured, and that would have been a way to 389 00:25:11,680 --> 00:25:17,359 Speaker 1: torture her. Hold on, Katie Tchurkasky, Doctor Gallagher, how much 390 00:25:17,400 --> 00:25:19,879 Speaker 1: pain does it take before somebody just passes out? Do 391 00:25:20,000 --> 00:25:22,680 Speaker 1: people really pass out from pain? Oh? They sure do, 392 00:25:22,840 --> 00:25:26,320 Speaker 1: and some people have higher pain tolerances than others, you know, 393 00:25:26,400 --> 00:25:30,000 Speaker 1: so it would be very individualized. You know. I would 394 00:25:30,040 --> 00:25:33,080 Speaker 1: expect that a woman who's given birth to two children 395 00:25:33,119 --> 00:25:35,679 Speaker 1: would have a higher pain tolerance than most people. But 396 00:25:35,760 --> 00:25:38,240 Speaker 1: I don't think anybody can tolerate the pain of getting 397 00:25:38,240 --> 00:25:43,080 Speaker 1: your teeth pulled out without anesthesia. I'm also learning that 398 00:25:43,119 --> 00:25:48,080 Speaker 1: she was partially scalped. What does that mean, Doctor Gallagher? 399 00:25:48,400 --> 00:25:53,040 Speaker 1: That means that her the scalp covering her skull, which 400 00:25:53,040 --> 00:25:57,080 Speaker 1: includes her hair, was peeled back away from the skull 401 00:25:57,760 --> 00:26:02,280 Speaker 1: to Katie Tchurkasky joining me out of Irvine, California, Katie, 402 00:26:02,320 --> 00:26:07,480 Speaker 1: I've had autopsy photos, and of course, as you know 403 00:26:07,520 --> 00:26:10,800 Speaker 1: from being a veteran trial lawyer, usually cannot bring in 404 00:26:10,840 --> 00:26:14,000 Speaker 1: autopsy photos to the jury as evidence because it's too 405 00:26:14,280 --> 00:26:20,040 Speaker 1: upsetting and inflammatory unless there's something in the autopsy that 406 00:26:20,160 --> 00:26:24,280 Speaker 1: helps prove your case. The few times I've managed to 407 00:26:24,359 --> 00:26:28,840 Speaker 1: use an autopsy photo in evidence is when under the 408 00:26:28,920 --> 00:26:34,280 Speaker 1: scalp there was a hematoma bruising under the scalp. That 409 00:26:34,480 --> 00:26:39,040 Speaker 1: was significant because you couldn't see it on top of 410 00:26:39,080 --> 00:26:43,040 Speaker 1: the scalp. I guess you could also use that for 411 00:26:43,480 --> 00:26:46,760 Speaker 1: entry and exit wounds, but you don't really need an 412 00:26:46,800 --> 00:26:54,160 Speaker 1: autopsy photo for that. Katie Chikowski question to you, what 413 00:26:54,359 --> 00:27:00,760 Speaker 1: does this violence, the pulling her teeth, the scalping, the torture, 414 00:27:02,080 --> 00:27:04,840 Speaker 1: what does that tell you about the crime? Well, I 415 00:27:04,920 --> 00:27:07,000 Speaker 1: think you made a good point. We really have to 416 00:27:07,000 --> 00:27:09,800 Speaker 1: determine whether they removed her keith to prevent her from 417 00:27:09,800 --> 00:27:12,720 Speaker 1: being identified, or if it was part of the torture 418 00:27:12,760 --> 00:27:15,199 Speaker 1: and part of the murder itself. And I think that 419 00:27:15,200 --> 00:27:17,800 Speaker 1: would really determine how much you would be able to 420 00:27:17,840 --> 00:27:21,119 Speaker 1: get in front of a jury. So the idea that 421 00:27:21,160 --> 00:27:24,359 Speaker 1: she would scalped shows to me that really they were 422 00:27:24,359 --> 00:27:26,560 Speaker 1: trying to torture her. This wasn't just a robbery, This 423 00:27:26,640 --> 00:27:28,880 Speaker 1: wasn't just a quick killing after they got the money. 424 00:27:28,880 --> 00:27:31,920 Speaker 1: There was something much more personal to it, potentially much 425 00:27:31,960 --> 00:27:36,399 Speaker 1: more specifically planned and targeted. So I think as a 426 00:27:36,800 --> 00:27:39,000 Speaker 1: propcutor you would want to try really hard to show 427 00:27:39,240 --> 00:27:43,200 Speaker 1: why the circumstances of the killing really aggravated the murder 428 00:27:43,240 --> 00:27:46,879 Speaker 1: itself and why you need to show that photograph in 429 00:27:47,000 --> 00:28:02,560 Speaker 1: order to really get that whole story across to the jury. 430 00:28:04,480 --> 00:28:10,560 Speaker 1: Crime stories with Nancy Grace Guys in the Brownsville, Texas 431 00:28:10,680 --> 00:28:13,040 Speaker 1: area and let me give you the tip line nine 432 00:28:13,200 --> 00:28:17,000 Speaker 1: five six four or five six tips. Repeat nine five 433 00:28:17,119 --> 00:28:20,600 Speaker 1: six four or five six tips. A young woman, Elizabeth 434 00:28:21,240 --> 00:28:26,520 Speaker 1: crosses the border over the Veterans International Bridge to Mexico 435 00:28:26,560 --> 00:28:30,800 Speaker 1: to find her fiance. She never makes at home, her 436 00:28:30,840 --> 00:28:34,880 Speaker 1: mom calling hour by hour by hour trying to find her. 437 00:28:36,640 --> 00:28:41,920 Speaker 1: Finally they discover her body. Now photos have been leaked 438 00:28:41,960 --> 00:28:46,440 Speaker 1: which we are not putting on crime online, of her 439 00:28:46,800 --> 00:28:57,480 Speaker 1: line face up in her bra pants and shoes. I 440 00:28:57,560 --> 00:29:01,200 Speaker 1: believe that she was either tortured by having all of 441 00:29:01,200 --> 00:29:05,760 Speaker 1: her teeth pulled out and scalped, she was heavily bruised, 442 00:29:06,640 --> 00:29:10,560 Speaker 1: or she was beaten in life and then had our 443 00:29:10,600 --> 00:29:15,080 Speaker 1: teeth and part of her scout removed to help avoid 444 00:29:15,120 --> 00:29:20,400 Speaker 1: an identification. Why why did this happen to a young 445 00:29:20,720 --> 00:29:24,160 Speaker 1: mom of two? Take a listen to our friend. Tony 446 00:29:24,240 --> 00:29:29,720 Speaker 1: Valasquez Junior k RGV. Twenty three year old Elizabeth Floods 447 00:29:29,720 --> 00:29:32,520 Speaker 1: from Brownsville was found dead in Mexico on Tuesday, just 448 00:29:32,560 --> 00:29:35,200 Speaker 1: a day after Brownsville police found a missing person's report. 449 00:29:35,400 --> 00:29:38,920 Speaker 1: Elizabeth Flood's mother tells us she felt helpless, unable to 450 00:29:38,960 --> 00:29:41,120 Speaker 1: do more to save her daughter. She says when she 451 00:29:41,160 --> 00:29:43,480 Speaker 1: called local authorities, all they could do was take a 452 00:29:43,480 --> 00:29:46,240 Speaker 1: missing person's report, since her daughter had crossed a border 453 00:29:46,400 --> 00:29:49,280 Speaker 1: to find her boyfriend. Tuesday afternoon, her family got the 454 00:29:49,320 --> 00:29:51,720 Speaker 1: news they were dreading. Their twenty three year old daughter, 455 00:29:51,800 --> 00:29:54,080 Speaker 1: with a full life left to live, was found dead 456 00:29:54,440 --> 00:29:57,440 Speaker 1: with signs she'd been tortured within the Moutomotial city limits. 457 00:29:57,840 --> 00:30:00,760 Speaker 1: Tom Olipa's authorities confirmed that the young woman died a 458 00:30:00,760 --> 00:30:03,560 Speaker 1: blunt force trauma to the head, consistent with a large 459 00:30:03,640 --> 00:30:06,120 Speaker 1: rock found at the murder scene. Her body was covered 460 00:30:06,120 --> 00:30:08,400 Speaker 1: in bruises, and she was missing all of her teeth, 461 00:30:08,880 --> 00:30:12,200 Speaker 1: not signs of a quick and painless death. To David 462 00:30:12,280 --> 00:30:17,520 Speaker 1: Kat's CEO Global Security Group, the rock that was usually 463 00:30:17,600 --> 00:30:23,200 Speaker 1: think to bludge in her dead authorities believe came from 464 00:30:23,320 --> 00:30:27,680 Speaker 1: the scene. What does that tell you about the killer? 465 00:30:28,040 --> 00:30:31,760 Speaker 1: A rock there at the scene? Well, this is a 466 00:30:31,800 --> 00:30:35,520 Speaker 1: bizarre case and and I think, you know, possibly a 467 00:30:35,600 --> 00:30:39,640 Speaker 1: more in depth autopsy WI will answer some questions. It's 468 00:30:39,680 --> 00:30:42,320 Speaker 1: possible she tried to flee and what does the killer 469 00:30:42,360 --> 00:30:44,600 Speaker 1: do pick up a rock and strikes her with the rock? 470 00:30:44,720 --> 00:30:47,160 Speaker 1: And by the way, a jagged rock to the head 471 00:30:47,360 --> 00:30:50,360 Speaker 1: can also partially remove the scalp. So what she dragged, 472 00:30:50,360 --> 00:30:52,800 Speaker 1: did she fall? How many times she struck? You know 473 00:30:52,840 --> 00:30:56,160 Speaker 1: a lot of things. It does, however, suggest you know, 474 00:30:56,200 --> 00:30:59,560 Speaker 1: a passion. You know, if you're talking about someone who's 475 00:30:59,600 --> 00:31:04,480 Speaker 1: going to beat and torture young woman to death, you're 476 00:31:04,480 --> 00:31:06,600 Speaker 1: gonna you have to look at okay, is the person 477 00:31:06,920 --> 00:31:10,400 Speaker 1: either either a cycle path or is there some some 478 00:31:11,080 --> 00:31:16,000 Speaker 1: prior connection, prior emotional issue between the two that results 479 00:31:16,000 --> 00:31:18,960 Speaker 1: in extreme anger and that kind of savagery that we 480 00:31:19,000 --> 00:31:21,600 Speaker 1: saw that that poor woman had to endure. Is the 481 00:31:21,880 --> 00:31:24,320 Speaker 1: removal of the teeth. That pulling the teeth for instance, 482 00:31:24,320 --> 00:31:29,440 Speaker 1: with pliers in life? Is that a typical cartail move? Nothing? 483 00:31:29,640 --> 00:31:33,240 Speaker 1: Nothing surprises me. In nineteen eighty five February nine, nineteen 484 00:31:33,280 --> 00:31:36,320 Speaker 1: eighty five, a DA agent named Enrique Camarain a Kiky 485 00:31:36,360 --> 00:31:39,760 Speaker 1: Cameraina was grabbed by by Mexican police working for the 486 00:31:39,920 --> 00:31:43,760 Speaker 1: Tarktels and over a period of days was tortured, kept 487 00:31:43,800 --> 00:31:47,600 Speaker 1: alive by a physician to endure more torture. I cannot 488 00:31:47,600 --> 00:31:50,400 Speaker 1: even tell you what that poor man went through. So 489 00:31:50,960 --> 00:31:56,880 Speaker 1: you know that teeth and and frankly things to a 490 00:31:56,920 --> 00:31:58,680 Speaker 1: person that I don't even want to mention over the 491 00:31:58,680 --> 00:32:02,840 Speaker 1: air that that's very common in Mexico, and it's it's 492 00:32:03,440 --> 00:32:05,520 Speaker 1: I mean someone who's we have, we have feelings, we 493 00:32:05,560 --> 00:32:09,360 Speaker 1: have emotions for we have sensibilities. For someone to be 494 00:32:09,400 --> 00:32:11,600 Speaker 1: able to do that to another human being while they 495 00:32:11,640 --> 00:32:16,160 Speaker 1: are alive, while they are suffering, you know, to unimaginable, 496 00:32:16,240 --> 00:32:19,720 Speaker 1: unimaginable pain, that is just I can't even understand that 497 00:32:19,800 --> 00:32:24,280 Speaker 1: level of savagery. So this has all the earmarks of 498 00:32:24,480 --> 00:32:27,360 Speaker 1: a cartail killing. But whai on a young mom of 499 00:32:27,400 --> 00:32:30,480 Speaker 1: two take a listen again to our friends at KRGV. 500 00:32:31,160 --> 00:32:33,720 Speaker 1: Her mother tells us she is absolutely certain that her 501 00:32:33,800 --> 00:32:36,200 Speaker 1: daughter was a victim of extortion and that she was 502 00:32:36,280 --> 00:32:39,480 Speaker 1: ultimately kidnapped and murdered by a violent gang of kidnappers 503 00:32:39,600 --> 00:32:43,480 Speaker 1: who operate out of Madamotis. Brownsville Police confirmed that Flood 504 00:32:43,480 --> 00:32:45,880 Speaker 1: has had crossed and in Mexico through the Veterans International 505 00:32:45,920 --> 00:32:49,040 Speaker 1: Bridge on Sunday just after five pm, and that she 506 00:32:49,120 --> 00:32:53,160 Speaker 1: was subsequently found ceased. Now, Elizabeth's mother is hoping authorities 507 00:32:53,160 --> 00:32:55,000 Speaker 1: on both sides of the border will help bring the 508 00:32:55,120 --> 00:32:58,520 Speaker 1: ruthless gang of kidnappers to justice. We've also learned that 509 00:32:58,560 --> 00:33:01,600 Speaker 1: the FBI is now involved. Since the murder happened in Mexico, 510 00:33:02,000 --> 00:33:05,440 Speaker 1: the victim's body remains with a forensic examiner in Matamotos 511 00:33:05,560 --> 00:33:09,400 Speaker 1: as the investigation continues. Elizabeth Floydes was a graduate from 512 00:33:09,480 --> 00:33:12,920 Speaker 1: Los Fresno's High School and leaves behind two children. It's 513 00:33:12,960 --> 00:33:16,000 Speaker 1: just hard for me to imagine, Brandy Koncini, the owner 514 00:33:16,080 --> 00:33:20,120 Speaker 1: of The Katie Times, that a young mom is pulled 515 00:33:20,160 --> 00:33:23,800 Speaker 1: in to a cartel plot. But what we're hearing from 516 00:33:23,880 --> 00:33:27,840 Speaker 1: David Katz at Global Security is that this has all 517 00:33:27,960 --> 00:33:34,520 Speaker 1: the hallmarks of a cartel killing. I'm very curious to you, 518 00:33:35,040 --> 00:33:40,240 Speaker 1: Brandy Keioncini. We know about the mom. You know what 519 00:33:40,400 --> 00:33:45,440 Speaker 1: Brandy hold on, take a listen to our friends at Ritbart, Texas. 520 00:33:46,040 --> 00:33:49,680 Speaker 1: A man previously convicted in Texas for sexually assaulting children 521 00:33:49,760 --> 00:33:52,040 Speaker 1: was arrested in Mexico for the murder of a Texas 522 00:33:52,120 --> 00:33:55,959 Speaker 1: woman in Mata Morris. The murder involved to fake kidnapping that, 523 00:33:56,280 --> 00:33:59,480 Speaker 1: according to authorities, was part of a scheme to rob 524 00:33:59,520 --> 00:34:02,520 Speaker 1: the victim while making the crime look like a cartel execution. 525 00:34:03,360 --> 00:34:06,960 Speaker 1: This week, agents with the tom Alibis Attorney General's Office 526 00:34:07,040 --> 00:34:10,440 Speaker 1: arrested Braulio Trevino Messius and charged him with one count 527 00:34:10,440 --> 00:34:13,120 Speaker 1: of murder in the gruesome death of his stepdaughter, twenty 528 00:34:13,160 --> 00:34:16,680 Speaker 1: two year old liz Eth Rubio. Rubio was a US 529 00:34:16,760 --> 00:34:19,640 Speaker 1: citizen from South Texas who crossed into Matta Morris to 530 00:34:19,680 --> 00:34:23,480 Speaker 1: see her boyfriend before she went missing. The murder does 531 00:34:23,520 --> 00:34:25,920 Speaker 1: not appear to be tied to the cartel that controls 532 00:34:25,960 --> 00:34:29,080 Speaker 1: Madam Morris. It was instead a robbery allegedly led by 533 00:34:29,120 --> 00:34:36,160 Speaker 1: Trevino Messius, the victim's stepfather, Brandy Chiosini. I am stunned. 534 00:34:37,120 --> 00:34:42,080 Speaker 1: What do you know? Well, so we know that that 535 00:34:42,239 --> 00:34:47,120 Speaker 1: this was allegedly his plan, is he wanted money, He 536 00:34:47,280 --> 00:34:52,239 Speaker 1: knew the family, you know. I think the assumption is 537 00:34:52,280 --> 00:34:56,440 Speaker 1: that he knew they wouldn't contact the police, and so 538 00:34:57,440 --> 00:35:02,239 Speaker 1: he lives in Madame Morris, got Elizabeth to get over 539 00:35:02,280 --> 00:35:08,560 Speaker 1: there and got what he wanted. I'm overwhelmed at what 540 00:35:08,640 --> 00:35:14,280 Speaker 1: we know about what happened to psychiatrist doctor Daniel Bober 541 00:35:14,320 --> 00:35:19,600 Speaker 1: forensic psychiatrists joining US Chief of Psychiatry Memorial Regional Healthcare Systems. 542 00:35:20,120 --> 00:35:25,279 Speaker 1: Doctor Bober for a stepfather to go through all this 543 00:35:25,440 --> 00:35:30,120 Speaker 1: to lure her there under false pretenses, just to rob her. 544 00:35:31,160 --> 00:35:33,319 Speaker 1: You know, the only thing that didn't make sense to me, 545 00:35:33,840 --> 00:35:37,719 Speaker 1: is how the cartel could target a young mom of 546 00:35:37,760 --> 00:35:41,560 Speaker 1: two out of Texas raising her two children at just 547 00:35:41,600 --> 00:35:45,440 Speaker 1: twenty three years old. So I guess should we have 548 00:35:45,560 --> 00:35:49,200 Speaker 1: seen it coming? No, Nancy, you know, it looked this 549 00:35:49,280 --> 00:35:50,759 Speaker 1: is what it looked like. It looked like it was 550 00:35:50,800 --> 00:35:54,759 Speaker 1: a cartel hit. But apparently there were obviously people who 551 00:35:54,800 --> 00:35:56,960 Speaker 1: thought that if it looked like that, they would never 552 00:35:57,000 --> 00:35:59,319 Speaker 1: suspect that this is what actually happened. So I think 553 00:35:59,360 --> 00:36:02,719 Speaker 1: that the original assumptions were correct based on the information 554 00:36:02,760 --> 00:36:05,319 Speaker 1: that we had thank to Brandy keyon Seny. What do 555 00:36:05,360 --> 00:36:09,880 Speaker 1: you know about the stepfather? Well, so he is. He 556 00:36:10,040 --> 00:36:14,040 Speaker 1: is a registered sex offender. He was convicted in two 557 00:36:14,080 --> 00:36:20,960 Speaker 1: thousand and six of one count of sexual assault of 558 00:36:21,080 --> 00:36:24,160 Speaker 1: a child who was a girl who was fifteen, and 559 00:36:24,320 --> 00:36:26,920 Speaker 1: one count of indecency with a child. He served four 560 00:36:27,000 --> 00:36:31,439 Speaker 1: years in prison and was released in twenty ten. And 561 00:36:31,560 --> 00:36:37,080 Speaker 1: he was living in Texas when the incident occurred back 562 00:36:37,120 --> 00:36:41,400 Speaker 1: in two thousand and five, and when he was arrested, 563 00:36:41,440 --> 00:36:43,719 Speaker 1: he was arrested at his home in mattamor So he 564 00:36:43,760 --> 00:36:46,840 Speaker 1: had moved back once he had gotten out of prison. 565 00:36:47,040 --> 00:36:51,000 Speaker 1: So a Texas mother of two just twenty three years old, 566 00:36:51,719 --> 00:36:57,040 Speaker 1: beaten dead, half scalped, her teeth pulled out of her mouth, 567 00:36:57,640 --> 00:37:01,919 Speaker 1: was lured across the border by a sex offender who 568 00:37:02,040 --> 00:37:09,120 Speaker 1: knew her family, claiming her fiancee had been kidnapped. Now 569 00:37:09,160 --> 00:37:12,840 Speaker 1: we know why she had to die, because she could 570 00:37:12,920 --> 00:37:22,239 Speaker 1: identify him. May he Braglio Trevino Martinez wrought in Hell 571 00:37:24,560 --> 00:37:28,040 Speaker 1: Nancy Grace's crime story, signing off goodbye for