1 00:00:00,280 --> 00:00:04,720 Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is 2 00:00:04,840 --> 00:00:09,119 Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or 3 00:00:09,240 --> 00:00:12,160 Speaker 1: learn the stuff they don't want you to know. A 4 00:00:12,280 --> 00:00:13,920 Speaker 1: production of iHeartRadio. 5 00:00:24,200 --> 00:00:26,880 Speaker 2: Hello, welcome back to the show. My name is Matt, 6 00:00:27,080 --> 00:00:27,880 Speaker 2: my name is Noela. 7 00:00:28,080 --> 00:00:30,400 Speaker 3: They called me Ben. We're joined as always with our 8 00:00:30,480 --> 00:00:34,440 Speaker 3: super producer Alexis code named Doc Holliday Jackson. Most importantly, 9 00:00:34,560 --> 00:00:37,879 Speaker 3: you are you. You are here that makes this the 10 00:00:38,080 --> 00:00:41,200 Speaker 3: stuff they don't want you to know. If you're hearing 11 00:00:41,240 --> 00:00:43,360 Speaker 3: this the evening it comes out, then we wish you 12 00:00:43,400 --> 00:00:47,680 Speaker 3: a happy June twentieth, twenty twenty four. We have so 13 00:00:48,040 --> 00:00:50,600 Speaker 3: much to get to from our favorite part of the show, you, 14 00:00:50,800 --> 00:00:58,120 Speaker 3: specifically you. We're gonna hear about some strange science. We're 15 00:00:58,120 --> 00:01:02,600 Speaker 3: gonna get a couple of inside perspectives on organizations that 16 00:01:02,680 --> 00:01:06,640 Speaker 3: prefer not to be cults, as well as allegations of 17 00:01:06,720 --> 00:01:10,200 Speaker 3: price fixing. We might even get to some good pe 18 00:01:10,760 --> 00:01:14,040 Speaker 3: pew humor, some pew pew poop humer at the end. 19 00:01:14,640 --> 00:01:17,480 Speaker 3: But for now, I just want to check in with 20 00:01:17,520 --> 00:01:18,399 Speaker 3: you guys. How's your week? 21 00:01:18,440 --> 00:01:18,600 Speaker 4: Ben? 22 00:01:19,160 --> 00:01:22,600 Speaker 5: Not bad, little hectic on the family front, but I 23 00:01:22,640 --> 00:01:25,360 Speaker 5: can't complain and finally feel a little bit caught. 24 00:01:25,160 --> 00:01:26,559 Speaker 4: Up after my international trip. 25 00:01:26,600 --> 00:01:28,880 Speaker 5: I was lagging there and had a little bit of 26 00:01:29,080 --> 00:01:31,559 Speaker 5: travel crowd and so I feel feeling okay. 27 00:01:31,959 --> 00:01:36,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, I had a pet pass recently, so it's been 28 00:01:36,120 --> 00:01:38,600 Speaker 2: a little rocky when it comes to that kind of stuff. 29 00:01:38,640 --> 00:01:43,440 Speaker 2: I think everybody out there has either experienced that or 30 00:01:43,840 --> 00:01:46,920 Speaker 2: can relate in some way. But you know, hug your 31 00:01:46,959 --> 00:01:48,360 Speaker 2: animals this week. 32 00:01:48,840 --> 00:01:50,400 Speaker 3: I agree, send us photographs. 33 00:01:50,720 --> 00:01:52,400 Speaker 2: Ben Well, how was how was your week? Man? 34 00:01:52,560 --> 00:01:58,600 Speaker 3: A lot of plot twist. We'll show it works out. 35 00:02:01,360 --> 00:02:03,200 Speaker 4: All right, We're back for this evenings. 36 00:02:03,240 --> 00:02:06,760 Speaker 5: First listener mail, we have a response from a listener 37 00:02:06,760 --> 00:02:12,360 Speaker 5: an insider perspective on the Courtland raid. The company that 38 00:02:12,400 --> 00:02:16,519 Speaker 5: we discussed in a previous listener mail a giant property 39 00:02:16,919 --> 00:02:19,840 Speaker 5: management or I guess I don't know, madam, is your story? 40 00:02:20,320 --> 00:02:23,560 Speaker 5: How would you classify this company now that they're not management? 41 00:02:23,560 --> 00:02:26,760 Speaker 4: They actually own all of these properties and lease them out, 42 00:02:26,960 --> 00:02:28,040 Speaker 4: you know, to renters. 43 00:02:28,080 --> 00:02:30,360 Speaker 2: Right, Yes, they are, and I'm going to use the 44 00:02:30,440 --> 00:02:34,640 Speaker 2: term landlords indeed. Yeah, and they own a craft own 45 00:02:34,680 --> 00:02:37,080 Speaker 2: of properties in Atlanta as well as many other cities 46 00:02:37,160 --> 00:02:41,120 Speaker 2: across the United States. But it wasn't really about Courtland, right, 47 00:02:41,160 --> 00:02:42,680 Speaker 2: it was about software. 48 00:02:42,880 --> 00:02:45,760 Speaker 5: Yeah, exactly, thank you, and that is exactly what this 49 00:02:46,120 --> 00:02:49,639 Speaker 5: email is responding to from an insider perspective. 50 00:02:49,960 --> 00:02:51,120 Speaker 4: This comes from Niko. 51 00:02:51,280 --> 00:02:54,000 Speaker 5: By the way, gents, I love your show and I've 52 00:02:54,080 --> 00:02:56,280 Speaker 5: been a long time fan. I was listening to the 53 00:02:56,280 --> 00:02:58,840 Speaker 5: recent episode where you touched on rent pricing software and 54 00:02:58,840 --> 00:03:00,600 Speaker 5: I would love to give you, guys about a perspective 55 00:03:00,639 --> 00:03:02,760 Speaker 5: on what is actually going on behind the curtain and 56 00:03:02,840 --> 00:03:04,320 Speaker 5: how that software works. 57 00:03:04,880 --> 00:03:05,799 Speaker 4: One. 58 00:03:05,840 --> 00:03:09,480 Speaker 5: This rental pricing software is ubiquitous throughout the industry and 59 00:03:09,520 --> 00:03:12,440 Speaker 5: has existed for at least the last fifteen years. 60 00:03:12,800 --> 00:03:13,040 Speaker 4: Two. 61 00:03:13,360 --> 00:03:17,280 Speaker 5: This software is imperfect, and it does actually recommend reducing 62 00:03:17,320 --> 00:03:20,160 Speaker 5: rents or offering a leasing incentive based on the current 63 00:03:20,200 --> 00:03:24,000 Speaker 5: occupancy of the property and recent trends, mostly at your 64 00:03:24,000 --> 00:03:28,040 Speaker 5: own property versus the broader market. It even goes completely 65 00:03:28,080 --> 00:03:31,000 Speaker 5: haywire at times and will tank your market rents by 66 00:03:31,000 --> 00:03:32,919 Speaker 5: twenty percent if you don't set. 67 00:03:32,720 --> 00:03:34,960 Speaker 4: Proper ceilings and floors. Three. 68 00:03:35,160 --> 00:03:37,480 Speaker 5: This type of increase in rents would happen even in 69 00:03:37,520 --> 00:03:40,320 Speaker 5: a world without this software. The reality is that it 70 00:03:40,400 --> 00:03:44,000 Speaker 5: just occurs faster. Similar to the hotel industry, prices change 71 00:03:44,080 --> 00:03:46,560 Speaker 5: daily me interjecting here probably similar to the way it 72 00:03:46,560 --> 00:03:48,200 Speaker 5: happens with plane tickets. 73 00:03:48,960 --> 00:03:49,200 Speaker 4: Four. 74 00:03:49,520 --> 00:03:53,200 Speaker 5: I would be absolutely shocked if anything came from this raid. 75 00:03:53,600 --> 00:03:57,360 Speaker 5: This type of software exists across almost every industry, and 76 00:03:57,400 --> 00:03:59,120 Speaker 5: I think at the time we were talking about it, 77 00:03:59,200 --> 00:04:01,560 Speaker 5: I did mention that reminded me of the type of 78 00:04:02,040 --> 00:04:06,720 Speaker 5: shipping and receiving logistical systems that are in place for 79 00:04:06,920 --> 00:04:08,480 Speaker 5: freight brokerage. 80 00:04:08,120 --> 00:04:11,040 Speaker 4: Right back to Nico. Five. 81 00:04:11,440 --> 00:04:14,120 Speaker 5: Cortland isn't even close to the company that anyone should 82 00:04:14,120 --> 00:04:17,359 Speaker 5: be worried about, compared to groups like Graystar, who manage 83 00:04:17,480 --> 00:04:20,800 Speaker 5: hundreds of thousands of apartments across the country, and they 84 00:04:20,839 --> 00:04:24,920 Speaker 5: even have their own proprietary software compared to real page 85 00:04:25,279 --> 00:04:28,800 Speaker 5: so that nobody could actually get their head under the hood. 86 00:04:29,400 --> 00:04:31,760 Speaker 5: If this isn't legal, how in the hell is it 87 00:04:31,839 --> 00:04:35,279 Speaker 5: legal for automated high frequency trading to occur where a 88 00:04:35,279 --> 00:04:37,880 Speaker 5: computer can buy a stock faster than I can and 89 00:04:37,920 --> 00:04:40,919 Speaker 5: then sell it to me at a fractional increase. It 90 00:04:41,000 --> 00:04:43,600 Speaker 5: is completely valid that we do not all invest in 91 00:04:43,640 --> 00:04:47,240 Speaker 5: public markets, but we all do need shelter and as 92 00:04:47,240 --> 00:04:50,560 Speaker 5: a fundamental need in Maslow's hierarchy. The reality is that 93 00:04:50,600 --> 00:04:54,000 Speaker 5: Atlanta has been an absolute boom town, both commercially and 94 00:04:54,080 --> 00:04:57,320 Speaker 5: for new residents over the last fifteen plus years, and 95 00:04:57,360 --> 00:04:59,840 Speaker 5: there has never truly been a time where vacancy is 96 00:04:59,880 --> 00:05:02,599 Speaker 5: a seeded more than seven or eight percent. You might 97 00:05:02,600 --> 00:05:05,080 Speaker 5: be surprised to learn that, despite the fact that Georgia 98 00:05:05,120 --> 00:05:08,200 Speaker 5: has a lower median home price than other large coastal 99 00:05:08,200 --> 00:05:11,479 Speaker 5: cities or growing cities like Denver or Austin, you would 100 00:05:11,520 --> 00:05:14,640 Speaker 5: need to make more than sixty percent than you do 101 00:05:14,880 --> 00:05:17,640 Speaker 5: in twenty twenty in order to afford the same median 102 00:05:17,680 --> 00:05:20,000 Speaker 5: price home. This increase is one of the highest in 103 00:05:20,040 --> 00:05:22,839 Speaker 5: the nation, more than other states like Colorado fifty percent, 104 00:05:22,920 --> 00:05:25,720 Speaker 5: New York thirty three percent, Florida fifty seven percent, in 105 00:05:25,760 --> 00:05:30,359 Speaker 5: California forty eight percent. And then they link out to 106 00:05:30,480 --> 00:05:33,520 Speaker 5: an article on costar dot com nearly half of US 107 00:05:33,560 --> 00:05:37,160 Speaker 5: states require six figure salary for typical home. Some good 108 00:05:37,200 --> 00:05:41,480 Speaker 5: information and some infographics there. Anyways, I absolutely love what 109 00:05:41,520 --> 00:05:43,760 Speaker 5: you guys are producing. This is the one time that 110 00:05:43,800 --> 00:05:46,919 Speaker 5: I actually had some insight on any podcast. Really be 111 00:05:47,040 --> 00:05:51,719 Speaker 5: well and godspeed regards Niko, And then you know, and 112 00:05:51,760 --> 00:05:54,240 Speaker 5: these kinds of converse that these kinds of points did 113 00:05:54,279 --> 00:05:57,599 Speaker 5: come up with the whole shipping situation as well, you know, 114 00:05:57,640 --> 00:05:59,520 Speaker 5: the freight brokerage and stuff like, you know, is it 115 00:05:59,600 --> 00:06:04,080 Speaker 5: about fine tuning a system for you know, like I 116 00:06:04,080 --> 00:06:08,040 Speaker 5: guess what's sort of looking for most efficient you know 117 00:06:08,560 --> 00:06:12,160 Speaker 5: routes and maximizing you know, yield and all of that 118 00:06:12,200 --> 00:06:15,240 Speaker 5: good stuff. I really like this listener's point of comparing 119 00:06:15,279 --> 00:06:20,360 Speaker 5: it to automated stock brokerage you know, software and platforms 120 00:06:20,400 --> 00:06:23,119 Speaker 5: and things like that. So I do think we were 121 00:06:23,200 --> 00:06:26,920 Speaker 5: not heavy handed and saying that this was entirely some 122 00:06:26,920 --> 00:06:30,920 Speaker 5: sort of across the industry fraudulent activity or the very 123 00:06:31,000 --> 00:06:35,080 Speaker 5: nature of this software is inherently bad. But it does 124 00:06:35,200 --> 00:06:38,359 Speaker 5: show that we rely quite heavily on these sorts of 125 00:06:38,400 --> 00:06:43,480 Speaker 5: systems and that there can be room in really complex arrangements. 126 00:06:43,520 --> 00:06:45,320 Speaker 5: And especially I love the point that they made about 127 00:06:45,360 --> 00:06:48,719 Speaker 5: the proprietary software for malfeasance to kind of take place, 128 00:06:49,160 --> 00:06:51,720 Speaker 5: as they mentioned, under the hood or behind the curtain. 129 00:06:52,320 --> 00:06:54,200 Speaker 5: So I don't know, Matt, I'd love to throw to 130 00:06:54,200 --> 00:06:56,000 Speaker 5: you first, since this was, you know, the story that 131 00:06:56,040 --> 00:06:58,279 Speaker 5: you brought. Is there anything in this that spoke to 132 00:06:58,279 --> 00:07:02,039 Speaker 5: you or that kind of pinged a bell for you? 133 00:07:03,160 --> 00:07:07,039 Speaker 2: Yeah, a lot of it did, just knowing that there 134 00:07:07,120 --> 00:07:11,080 Speaker 2: are multiple types of this software or versions of this 135 00:07:11,200 --> 00:07:14,200 Speaker 2: type of software, let's say, out there, that are being 136 00:07:14,280 --> 00:07:16,560 Speaker 2: used by a bunch of different people, a bunch of 137 00:07:16,600 --> 00:07:20,800 Speaker 2: different groups, that some of it's proprietary in a way 138 00:07:20,840 --> 00:07:24,560 Speaker 2: that Real Page is not. I didn't know this when 139 00:07:24,560 --> 00:07:28,080 Speaker 2: we first were talking about it, but Real Page has 140 00:07:28,120 --> 00:07:31,480 Speaker 2: been talked about for quite a while, for many years 141 00:07:31,600 --> 00:07:34,480 Speaker 2: as a kind of a weird thing that isn't working 142 00:07:34,520 --> 00:07:37,520 Speaker 2: out so great for everybody. It was working out great 143 00:07:37,520 --> 00:07:41,520 Speaker 2: for the companies that own the land, right, but you know, 144 00:07:41,600 --> 00:07:43,840 Speaker 2: for the rest of us, it's like, I don't know, bullys. 145 00:07:45,440 --> 00:07:47,960 Speaker 2: I just reading an article from pro Publica from twenty 146 00:07:48,000 --> 00:07:52,240 Speaker 2: twenty two in October, and the title is rent going 147 00:07:52,320 --> 00:07:55,760 Speaker 2: up One company's algorithm could be why, and it has 148 00:07:56,080 --> 00:07:58,560 Speaker 2: a lot to do. It just talks about real Page, 149 00:07:58,920 --> 00:08:00,840 Speaker 2: and some of this reporting and some of the worries 150 00:08:00,880 --> 00:08:03,840 Speaker 2: back then are why there is this major anti trust 151 00:08:03,960 --> 00:08:06,920 Speaker 2: thing going on right now, why Cortland was rated, why 152 00:08:06,960 --> 00:08:12,080 Speaker 2: we're even talking about it. But maybe this isn't really 153 00:08:12,120 --> 00:08:15,040 Speaker 2: the thing we need to be focused on. Maybe it's 154 00:08:15,080 --> 00:08:17,720 Speaker 2: a much smaller player. Real Page is a much smaller 155 00:08:17,720 --> 00:08:21,520 Speaker 2: player in an ecosystem of terrifying software. 156 00:08:21,720 --> 00:08:25,960 Speaker 3: Yeah, and Nico, thank you so much for taking the 157 00:08:26,040 --> 00:08:30,760 Speaker 3: time for this beautifully written correspondence and for being our 158 00:08:30,800 --> 00:08:33,720 Speaker 3: boots on the ground, as it were. Would be really 159 00:08:33,760 --> 00:08:38,439 Speaker 3: interested to hear your thoughts about someone we mentioned in 160 00:08:38,480 --> 00:08:44,440 Speaker 3: that conversation, Aj Stegmann, the chess prodigy who single handedly 161 00:08:44,600 --> 00:08:47,440 Speaker 3: changed the face of several real estate markets through his 162 00:08:47,600 --> 00:08:51,959 Speaker 3: software price optimization. That is similar to this, And I 163 00:08:52,000 --> 00:08:56,559 Speaker 3: think you make I love a fact dense report here, 164 00:08:56,880 --> 00:09:01,240 Speaker 3: and I think you do such a wonderful job kicking 165 00:09:01,280 --> 00:09:04,960 Speaker 3: the statistics, talking about the ways in which each city 166 00:09:05,120 --> 00:09:08,800 Speaker 3: may be unique but similar enough to have comparisons. And 167 00:09:08,880 --> 00:09:13,800 Speaker 3: I especially appreciate the high frequency trading aspect there too, 168 00:09:13,920 --> 00:09:17,000 Speaker 3: or high speed trading whatever they call it on Wall Street. 169 00:09:17,040 --> 00:09:21,400 Speaker 3: There is this there is this inevitability to it. And 170 00:09:21,960 --> 00:09:24,480 Speaker 3: this one stayed with me for a while, even back 171 00:09:24,520 --> 00:09:26,360 Speaker 3: when we were talking about the chess prodigy a few 172 00:09:26,400 --> 00:09:31,920 Speaker 3: years ago. I would argue, this kind of stuff because 173 00:09:31,960 --> 00:09:36,200 Speaker 3: of the technology and legislative relationship, it is inevitable. It 174 00:09:36,320 --> 00:09:40,840 Speaker 3: answers a question that the land owning class once answered well. 175 00:09:40,880 --> 00:09:43,240 Speaker 5: And it also speaks to the notion that just because 176 00:09:43,280 --> 00:09:46,680 Speaker 5: something's sketchy doesn't mean it's illegal. Just because something's in 177 00:09:46,800 --> 00:09:49,640 Speaker 5: bad taste doesn't mean it's against the law. And it's 178 00:09:49,640 --> 00:09:53,400 Speaker 5: because it affects, you know, regular people negatively. 179 00:09:53,520 --> 00:09:55,600 Speaker 4: Does not mean that there are laws against. 180 00:09:55,320 --> 00:09:58,480 Speaker 3: It, like making and selling Honda odyssees exactly. 181 00:09:58,679 --> 00:10:02,800 Speaker 2: That's exactly that my sister drives one. And it's actually 182 00:10:02,840 --> 00:10:03,760 Speaker 2: kind of I wish are. 183 00:10:03,640 --> 00:10:05,840 Speaker 3: The best cup holders. 184 00:10:06,200 --> 00:10:09,600 Speaker 2: They have so many coup holders for their cup holders. 185 00:10:10,280 --> 00:10:11,959 Speaker 2: I think it's also a moral thing, and like you're 186 00:10:12,000 --> 00:10:15,920 Speaker 2: talking about old. This Pro Publica article has a quote 187 00:10:15,920 --> 00:10:20,000 Speaker 2: from a real page executive named Andrew Bowen, and this, this, 188 00:10:20,080 --> 00:10:22,680 Speaker 2: I think speaks to what the software does and why 189 00:10:22,720 --> 00:10:27,600 Speaker 2: it's scary. Uh. He says, as a property manager, very 190 00:10:27,640 --> 00:10:30,880 Speaker 2: few of us would be willing to actually raise rents 191 00:10:31,000 --> 00:10:34,840 Speaker 2: double digits within a single month by doing it manually 192 00:10:36,080 --> 00:10:40,680 Speaker 2: the computer. Yes, it's not me, guys, it's not us. 193 00:10:40,720 --> 00:10:41,600 Speaker 2: It's this. 194 00:10:41,840 --> 00:10:43,040 Speaker 4: We have this. It's the software. 195 00:10:43,400 --> 00:10:46,880 Speaker 3: Similar to the ticket like, what is ticketmaster's real job? 196 00:10:47,080 --> 00:10:48,320 Speaker 4: He has to be the bad guy? 197 00:10:48,400 --> 00:10:52,480 Speaker 3: And I remember that Pro Publica article. Maybe even I'm 198 00:10:52,520 --> 00:10:55,280 Speaker 3: not sure, but just taking a second here just to 199 00:10:55,360 --> 00:10:59,040 Speaker 3: quickly interject and say, Pro Publica is the business pro 200 00:10:59,120 --> 00:11:02,480 Speaker 3: Pa is so very good. And if you are looking 201 00:11:02,520 --> 00:11:05,160 Speaker 3: for reporting and you feel like you're getting smoke and 202 00:11:05,240 --> 00:11:08,960 Speaker 3: mirrors or hyperbolic, not well researched stuff, go to pro 203 00:11:09,040 --> 00:11:11,280 Speaker 3: Publica and see if they have some work on the 204 00:11:11,320 --> 00:11:15,000 Speaker 3: topic you're attempting to learn more about. They when they swing, 205 00:11:15,320 --> 00:11:16,600 Speaker 3: they do not miss. 206 00:11:16,880 --> 00:11:20,000 Speaker 5: They and a documentary series for a while, I want 207 00:11:20,040 --> 00:11:22,320 Speaker 5: to say, in association with. 208 00:11:22,400 --> 00:11:23,719 Speaker 4: PBS or something like that. 209 00:11:23,880 --> 00:11:27,720 Speaker 5: They've done a lot of investigative video series as well, 210 00:11:27,800 --> 00:11:30,320 Speaker 5: so they have a really great YouTube channel you can follow. 211 00:11:30,440 --> 00:11:31,240 Speaker 4: I couldn't agree more. 212 00:11:31,280 --> 00:11:33,240 Speaker 5: It does seem like nine times out of ten when 213 00:11:33,240 --> 00:11:37,160 Speaker 5: there's some serious breaking news, some like bombshell type stuff, 214 00:11:37,480 --> 00:11:39,160 Speaker 5: Republica's names in the conversation. 215 00:11:39,800 --> 00:11:42,120 Speaker 4: But no, Matt, I really love, don't love. 216 00:11:42,240 --> 00:11:44,360 Speaker 5: I just think it's very valid the point you made 217 00:11:44,360 --> 00:11:47,360 Speaker 5: in the quote you gave from the ProPublica pieces about 218 00:11:47,360 --> 00:11:49,760 Speaker 5: how this is a way of passing the buck to 219 00:11:50,080 --> 00:11:53,040 Speaker 5: an entity, to an algorithm, and it's happening across the 220 00:11:53,040 --> 00:11:56,440 Speaker 5: board in all kinds of industries. Like why you know, well, 221 00:11:56,720 --> 00:11:59,000 Speaker 5: I'm sorry, it's just this is just what the algorithm 222 00:11:59,080 --> 00:12:00,840 Speaker 5: is saying. It's it's like what the computer's telling me. 223 00:12:00,920 --> 00:12:04,160 Speaker 5: There was a great sketch on Little Britain, which a 224 00:12:04,160 --> 00:12:06,560 Speaker 5: lot of didn't age well. But there's one character who 225 00:12:06,600 --> 00:12:09,400 Speaker 5: is like, computer says now, and. 226 00:12:09,320 --> 00:12:11,959 Speaker 4: It's just like, sorry, I can't do it. I can't 227 00:12:11,960 --> 00:12:16,160 Speaker 4: help you. The computer says no, computer says triple your rates, 228 00:12:16,240 --> 00:12:18,120 Speaker 4: like I can't. They can't do anything for you. 229 00:12:18,400 --> 00:12:21,959 Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, Nico points out Graystar as another company we 230 00:12:21,960 --> 00:12:25,640 Speaker 2: should all be thinking about and looking into, because it 231 00:12:25,679 --> 00:12:28,839 Speaker 2: appears that they are a massive player in this game, 232 00:12:29,160 --> 00:12:32,640 Speaker 2: and they are using what's referred to here as and 233 00:12:32,679 --> 00:12:34,800 Speaker 2: I didn't read this before. I didn't know it was 234 00:12:34,800 --> 00:12:40,120 Speaker 2: called this yield Star, which I don't understand is potentially 235 00:12:40,559 --> 00:12:44,280 Speaker 2: a type of software offered by Real Page or another 236 00:12:44,440 --> 00:12:47,800 Speaker 2: you know, proprietary software that they offer, but it appears 237 00:12:47,840 --> 00:12:51,280 Speaker 2: to have. Again, there's just quotes here from from executives 238 00:12:51,280 --> 00:12:55,800 Speaker 2: at Graystar saying, oh yeah, even in one of our downturns, 239 00:12:55,880 --> 00:12:59,520 Speaker 2: this software helped us outperform other markets by four point 240 00:12:59,559 --> 00:13:02,439 Speaker 2: eight percent. It cool. 241 00:13:03,679 --> 00:13:05,680 Speaker 5: Last last little thing for me in terms of like 242 00:13:05,760 --> 00:13:10,920 Speaker 5: parallels in other industries. You guys remember Connor Ratliffe, who 243 00:13:11,000 --> 00:13:13,520 Speaker 5: is a really great improv comedian. He was in Ment 244 00:13:13,600 --> 00:13:17,920 Speaker 5: fabulous Missus Masls or Marvelous Missus Masls. And he has 245 00:13:17,960 --> 00:13:21,400 Speaker 5: this excellent YouTube show called The George Lucas Talk Show 246 00:13:21,840 --> 00:13:24,880 Speaker 5: where he plays George Lucas and does all kinds of 247 00:13:25,320 --> 00:13:27,800 Speaker 5: hilarious interviews and he's really really talented to to Upright 248 00:13:27,840 --> 00:13:31,760 Speaker 5: Citizens Brigade alum and had a fabulous podcast series called 249 00:13:31,800 --> 00:13:34,960 Speaker 5: Dead Eyes talking about how he got fired by Tom 250 00:13:35,040 --> 00:13:37,960 Speaker 5: Hanks from Band of Brothers before he even you know, 251 00:13:38,040 --> 00:13:41,439 Speaker 5: actually showed up on set because he supposedly had dead Eyes. 252 00:13:41,720 --> 00:13:44,320 Speaker 5: And the podcast is his attempt to kind of track 253 00:13:44,360 --> 00:13:47,120 Speaker 5: down Tom Hanks and ask, you know, what happened, why, 254 00:13:47,280 --> 00:13:50,360 Speaker 5: why he fired him? But he it's really really good. 255 00:13:50,440 --> 00:13:53,600 Speaker 5: But anyway, he has another thing that he does. It's 256 00:13:53,640 --> 00:13:56,760 Speaker 5: an acting kind of like jokey acting masterclass thing that's 257 00:13:56,760 --> 00:14:00,720 Speaker 5: like a basically a one man improv show. And there's 258 00:14:00,760 --> 00:14:03,160 Speaker 5: a piece of it that he published on his YouTube 259 00:14:03,160 --> 00:14:06,640 Speaker 5: recently where he's talking about the Nielsen rating system back 260 00:14:06,679 --> 00:14:09,719 Speaker 5: in the day, like no one knew what how many 261 00:14:09,760 --> 00:14:12,640 Speaker 5: people were actually watching TV because it was all based 262 00:14:12,679 --> 00:14:15,840 Speaker 5: on this sort of black box, you know, Nielsen ratings 263 00:14:15,840 --> 00:14:18,560 Speaker 5: where a family would get a box and a Nielsen 264 00:14:18,600 --> 00:14:21,080 Speaker 5: diary or whatever and then because of that, they would 265 00:14:21,120 --> 00:14:23,360 Speaker 5: like use that sample size and say, okay, well then 266 00:14:23,400 --> 00:14:25,920 Speaker 5: there must be x number of other families watching, and 267 00:14:25,960 --> 00:14:28,200 Speaker 5: they would extrapolate these viewing numbers. 268 00:14:28,280 --> 00:14:31,520 Speaker 4: Right. Well, come along to the streaming era. 269 00:14:31,840 --> 00:14:36,080 Speaker 5: You've got Netflix, who know exactly how many people are watching. 270 00:14:36,160 --> 00:14:38,160 Speaker 5: They know when you're stopping it, when you're starting it, 271 00:14:38,480 --> 00:14:41,320 Speaker 5: how long you're watching, et cetera. And they and their 272 00:14:41,360 --> 00:14:44,920 Speaker 5: infinite wisdom have decided not to tell that to anybody, 273 00:14:45,320 --> 00:14:49,560 Speaker 5: including creators, and to be completely you. 274 00:14:49,520 --> 00:14:52,760 Speaker 4: Know, opaque about that rather than transparent. 275 00:14:52,880 --> 00:14:57,200 Speaker 5: So it's just interesting the idea of computerized algorithms being 276 00:14:58,000 --> 00:15:01,200 Speaker 5: another just black box in a way of hiding things 277 00:15:01,200 --> 00:15:01,760 Speaker 5: from people. 278 00:15:01,840 --> 00:15:04,400 Speaker 4: I think it's very very interesting across industries. 279 00:15:04,800 --> 00:15:07,160 Speaker 2: I know we all every once in a while listen 280 00:15:07,200 --> 00:15:10,480 Speaker 2: to comedy Bang Bang, But if you guys haven't heard 281 00:15:11,080 --> 00:15:16,200 Speaker 2: this actor Connor Ratliffe portray James Cameron, you need to 282 00:15:16,280 --> 00:15:20,040 Speaker 2: go and listen to an episode where he plays James Cameron. 283 00:15:20,080 --> 00:15:20,720 Speaker 2: It's amazing. 284 00:15:20,960 --> 00:15:24,520 Speaker 5: Agreed, Well, we'll take a quick break here for a 285 00:15:24,560 --> 00:15:27,080 Speaker 5: word from our sponsor and then be right back. 286 00:15:27,240 --> 00:15:27,480 Speaker 6: Thanks. 287 00:15:27,480 --> 00:15:30,200 Speaker 5: By the way, Nico, I said, Nico is an Ikko. 288 00:15:30,320 --> 00:15:33,120 Speaker 5: I think Nick Nico works too, either one. But thank 289 00:15:33,160 --> 00:15:38,160 Speaker 5: you for this insider scoop on rent pricing software. We'll 290 00:15:38,200 --> 00:15:39,840 Speaker 5: be back with more listener mail after this. 291 00:15:46,680 --> 00:15:49,440 Speaker 2: And we're back boys, and we're getting on the road. 292 00:15:50,320 --> 00:15:53,280 Speaker 2: We're gonna hear a message from Gravy a truck driver. 293 00:15:53,760 --> 00:15:55,360 Speaker 2: Guess what his truck's. 294 00:15:55,080 --> 00:15:57,720 Speaker 4: Name is, the Gravy Train biscuits. 295 00:15:58,000 --> 00:15:58,360 Speaker 6: Dang it. 296 00:16:00,480 --> 00:16:03,480 Speaker 2: All right, so here we go. This is the message 297 00:16:03,520 --> 00:16:04,120 Speaker 2: from Grady. 298 00:16:04,440 --> 00:16:09,000 Speaker 7: Hey, Ben, No, Matt, and Max. I go by Brady 299 00:16:09,080 --> 00:16:11,200 Speaker 7: the truck driver, and it's g R. A. D Y 300 00:16:11,440 --> 00:16:12,160 Speaker 7: the truck driver. 301 00:16:12,640 --> 00:16:15,160 Speaker 6: I'm pretty much in Texas in the five state area. 302 00:16:15,840 --> 00:16:17,840 Speaker 6: Been listening to the offer quite a while now I'm 303 00:16:17,880 --> 00:16:20,440 Speaker 6: call caught up on all your backstuff and Josh and 304 00:16:20,560 --> 00:16:25,680 Speaker 6: Chucks and ridiculous crime, ridiculous history, savor all that kind 305 00:16:25,680 --> 00:16:26,120 Speaker 6: of stuff. 306 00:16:26,320 --> 00:16:29,720 Speaker 7: Anyway, back in the nineties here in. 307 00:16:29,680 --> 00:16:32,360 Speaker 6: Texas, they were going to build a super collider, and 308 00:16:32,440 --> 00:16:36,320 Speaker 6: the government brought up thousands of acres and basically was 309 00:16:36,400 --> 00:16:40,200 Speaker 6: using an eminent domain to make people sell give them 310 00:16:40,240 --> 00:16:40,960 Speaker 6: a fair price. 311 00:16:41,160 --> 00:16:45,320 Speaker 7: But then after a couple three years of digging tunnels 312 00:16:45,320 --> 00:16:47,800 Speaker 7: and stuff, all of a sudden they stopped and decided 313 00:16:47,840 --> 00:16:50,080 Speaker 7: that they weren't going to do it. So did they 314 00:16:50,120 --> 00:16:53,240 Speaker 7: turn that into a bunker or are they doing the 315 00:16:53,320 --> 00:16:57,760 Speaker 7: various things or whatever. A friend of mine's grandmother's still 316 00:16:57,760 --> 00:17:00,400 Speaker 7: trying to buy back her back twenty acres. It's got 317 00:17:00,400 --> 00:17:01,520 Speaker 7: her fishing bond on it. 318 00:17:01,800 --> 00:17:03,960 Speaker 6: They got eight foot fence around it with bob war 319 00:17:04,560 --> 00:17:08,360 Speaker 6: you know, that runs around their property, so she can't 320 00:17:08,359 --> 00:17:10,359 Speaker 6: get over there and even go fish for perch and 321 00:17:10,400 --> 00:17:13,000 Speaker 6: stuff anymore. It hasn't been able to for coming up 322 00:17:13,040 --> 00:17:16,399 Speaker 6: on thirty years anyway, you know, check. 323 00:17:16,280 --> 00:17:17,400 Speaker 7: It out and see what you think. 324 00:17:17,760 --> 00:17:19,800 Speaker 6: Maybe it's conspiracy, maybe it's not. 325 00:17:20,400 --> 00:17:21,560 Speaker 7: Beast Brothers. 326 00:17:21,600 --> 00:17:22,360 Speaker 4: Thanks Gravy. 327 00:17:22,440 --> 00:17:26,320 Speaker 3: This is we love. We love hearing from truckers. And 328 00:17:26,760 --> 00:17:30,000 Speaker 3: I got very excited when this like pinged a little 329 00:17:30,040 --> 00:17:33,439 Speaker 3: bit of a memory palace. And Matt, I believe you. 330 00:17:33,440 --> 00:17:35,040 Speaker 4: You spoke with Gravy. 331 00:17:34,760 --> 00:17:37,320 Speaker 2: Right, Oh yeah, I talked with Gravy for way too long. 332 00:17:37,359 --> 00:17:40,280 Speaker 2: Sorry about that. Man took way too much of his time. 333 00:17:40,280 --> 00:17:42,200 Speaker 2: But we we talked about all kinds of different things, 334 00:17:42,359 --> 00:17:47,479 Speaker 2: especially the super conducting super collider that was the one 335 00:17:47,520 --> 00:17:49,679 Speaker 2: they were building in Texas. Doesn't that just sound Texas? 336 00:17:49,840 --> 00:17:52,960 Speaker 5: Sounds intense? They love the big stuff over there in Texas. 337 00:17:53,000 --> 00:17:56,760 Speaker 2: Now this is it was, uh, it was gonna be 338 00:17:56,840 --> 00:18:01,520 Speaker 2: a big deal, guys, a really really big deal. Was 339 00:18:01,600 --> 00:18:04,200 Speaker 2: just looking at some reporting about it from the time, 340 00:18:04,560 --> 00:18:08,919 Speaker 2: and uh man, it was, uh so Ronald Reagan is 341 00:18:08,960 --> 00:18:13,680 Speaker 2: the president in place that secured this project as a thing, right, 342 00:18:14,320 --> 00:18:17,200 Speaker 2: And then it went on to George H. W. Bush, 343 00:18:17,240 --> 00:18:22,159 Speaker 2: George George Bush Senior. And there's an incidence that Gravy 344 00:18:22,160 --> 00:18:24,679 Speaker 2: and I were talking about that I totally forgot, but 345 00:18:24,760 --> 00:18:27,600 Speaker 2: I remembered as soon as I read it. Back in 346 00:18:27,680 --> 00:18:30,400 Speaker 2: the day, you guys were probably paying attention to presidents 347 00:18:30,440 --> 00:18:33,080 Speaker 2: a little bit. We weren't really like watching the news 348 00:18:33,119 --> 00:18:36,200 Speaker 2: all the time. I wasn't certainly. But there's an incident 349 00:18:36,320 --> 00:18:40,439 Speaker 2: when George HW. Bush was in Japan and he was 350 00:18:40,480 --> 00:18:43,760 Speaker 2: eating at a dinner and he vomited all over the place, 351 00:18:43,800 --> 00:18:46,440 Speaker 2: including on I think high members of Parliament. 352 00:18:46,040 --> 00:18:55,040 Speaker 3: And Kow High Japanese high members of Japanese governance. And accidental. 353 00:18:55,400 --> 00:18:58,640 Speaker 2: It was accidental, but it was not a power move. 354 00:19:00,200 --> 00:19:01,639 Speaker 3: The mas genis or something. 355 00:19:02,040 --> 00:19:05,760 Speaker 2: Wait what but but yeah, I just that occurred. And 356 00:19:05,800 --> 00:19:09,800 Speaker 2: the reason one of the primary reasons the president was 357 00:19:09,840 --> 00:19:13,439 Speaker 2: in Japan was to secure more funding for this super 358 00:19:13,600 --> 00:19:17,879 Speaker 2: conducting super collider in Texas because the cost overruns it 359 00:19:17,920 --> 00:19:20,320 Speaker 2: was projected. They need they've got like three billion dollars 360 00:19:20,320 --> 00:19:22,000 Speaker 2: for it. Then it was going to cost like ten 361 00:19:22,040 --> 00:19:24,600 Speaker 2: million dollars. It was going over and over and over, 362 00:19:25,400 --> 00:19:27,560 Speaker 2: and which is the primary reason why it's shut down. 363 00:19:27,880 --> 00:19:30,160 Speaker 3: I mean, yeah, because it's like a monkey pause situation 364 00:19:30,359 --> 00:19:33,160 Speaker 3: at that point, I want this to be a big deal. 365 00:19:33,640 --> 00:19:36,320 Speaker 3: Finger curls down. It will be just not the way 366 00:19:36,320 --> 00:19:36,760 Speaker 3: you wish. 367 00:19:37,400 --> 00:19:38,000 Speaker 4: Yeah. 368 00:19:38,040 --> 00:19:41,040 Speaker 2: And ps also in Texas style, guys, it was going 369 00:19:41,119 --> 00:19:45,240 Speaker 2: to be roughly three times the size of CERN's super collider. 370 00:19:45,840 --> 00:19:48,000 Speaker 2: That'll teach them the large hadron. 371 00:19:48,600 --> 00:19:50,600 Speaker 3: We were talking a little bit off air. This is 372 00:19:50,600 --> 00:19:54,199 Speaker 3: what ping the the memory for me, Matt was the 373 00:19:54,840 --> 00:19:58,679 Speaker 3: was realizing our episode, should we be concerned, we're looking 374 00:19:58,760 --> 00:20:02,439 Speaker 3: at the rabbit hole of tangential research led us to 375 00:20:03,080 --> 00:20:09,119 Speaker 3: other unsuccessful attempts to emulate or to improve upon the 376 00:20:09,160 --> 00:20:12,520 Speaker 3: mission of or the infrastructure of CERN, and turns out 377 00:20:12,560 --> 00:20:15,000 Speaker 3: it's really kind of tricky, you know. 378 00:20:15,080 --> 00:20:19,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, tricky and expensive, like the type of equipment that 379 00:20:19,840 --> 00:20:23,000 Speaker 2: is so precise that has to go into every inch 380 00:20:23,400 --> 00:20:27,880 Speaker 2: of this giant you know, miles long whatever shape it's 381 00:20:28,119 --> 00:20:30,080 Speaker 2: probably like a circle. 382 00:20:30,640 --> 00:20:36,400 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like fifty fifty four circumference. I mean that's 383 00:20:36,640 --> 00:20:39,679 Speaker 3: that's also the thing, like I believe in you. If 384 00:20:39,720 --> 00:20:43,399 Speaker 3: you're listening to this, we believe in you. I don't 385 00:20:43,440 --> 00:20:46,080 Speaker 3: know if all of us on the show working together 386 00:20:46,359 --> 00:20:49,639 Speaker 3: could build a super collider. So I don't you know, 387 00:20:49,760 --> 00:20:53,640 Speaker 3: like when you see the magnificent ambition of something like this, 388 00:20:54,200 --> 00:20:57,160 Speaker 3: I think it still is. I mean, it's a boondoggle 389 00:20:57,200 --> 00:21:00,399 Speaker 3: and they definitely I'm with Gravy. It definitely sounds like 390 00:21:00,440 --> 00:21:04,359 Speaker 3: they screwed some people on imminent domain. But this is 391 00:21:04,400 --> 00:21:07,440 Speaker 3: how science works. You have to you have to build 392 00:21:07,440 --> 00:21:09,320 Speaker 3: in the fact that some of these things just aren't 393 00:21:09,320 --> 00:21:10,840 Speaker 3: gonna get to completion. 394 00:21:11,400 --> 00:21:14,240 Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, but it was a big deal. It was 395 00:21:14,320 --> 00:21:16,679 Speaker 2: gonna go into a town called I'm gonna see if 396 00:21:16,720 --> 00:21:20,160 Speaker 2: I can say this right, wak Sahachie. This is a 397 00:21:20,200 --> 00:21:23,119 Speaker 2: town in Texas. It's spelled w a x A c 398 00:21:23,400 --> 00:21:26,200 Speaker 2: h A c h i E, which is it's fun 399 00:21:26,240 --> 00:21:26,639 Speaker 2: to spell. 400 00:21:26,800 --> 00:21:26,960 Speaker 3: You know. 401 00:21:27,000 --> 00:21:30,240 Speaker 5: There's a there's a very talented singer songwriter artist that 402 00:21:30,320 --> 00:21:33,440 Speaker 5: goes by that name Waxahachi, who's I believe from Texas. 403 00:21:33,680 --> 00:21:36,159 Speaker 4: They pronounced it waxahachi is how I've heard it said it. 404 00:21:36,520 --> 00:21:39,000 Speaker 3: Oh, it sounds like Vinyl and their music. 405 00:21:39,359 --> 00:21:43,560 Speaker 2: It is whack sa w A A K. That's the pronunciation. 406 00:21:43,600 --> 00:21:47,960 Speaker 4: I've got w a X. Sorry you're doing the pronunciation, guy, 407 00:21:48,040 --> 00:21:48,720 Speaker 4: got it? Got it? 408 00:21:48,880 --> 00:21:54,160 Speaker 2: Yeah? Well, I don't know, guys. But the whole reason 409 00:21:54,160 --> 00:21:56,880 Speaker 2: we're talking about it is because Gravey called in and 410 00:21:57,200 --> 00:22:00,080 Speaker 2: has a family member whose property was you know, so 411 00:22:00,320 --> 00:22:04,480 Speaker 2: I guess purchased by the government there for the purposes 412 00:22:04,600 --> 00:22:09,879 Speaker 2: of this giant construction project. And what happens to that 413 00:22:10,240 --> 00:22:13,280 Speaker 2: land the thing that we were talking about, and I 414 00:22:13,359 --> 00:22:16,960 Speaker 2: want to ask you guys about I think that because 415 00:22:17,000 --> 00:22:19,960 Speaker 2: there was some drilling that was going on. There was 416 00:22:20,000 --> 00:22:22,160 Speaker 2: work being done on this project for quite a while 417 00:22:22,200 --> 00:22:25,680 Speaker 2: before it was canned. There were projected there were a 418 00:22:25,720 --> 00:22:28,480 Speaker 2: projected eight thousand jobs that were going to be created 419 00:22:28,520 --> 00:22:30,960 Speaker 2: for this project. It was a huge deal for that 420 00:22:31,040 --> 00:22:34,119 Speaker 2: small town and all this land that was being purchased. 421 00:22:34,160 --> 00:22:36,160 Speaker 2: It was actually a huge deal for land a lot 422 00:22:36,160 --> 00:22:38,520 Speaker 2: of landowners because they're getting quite a bit of money 423 00:22:38,880 --> 00:22:41,879 Speaker 2: for land, like large swaths of land that they owned, 424 00:22:42,040 --> 00:22:44,800 Speaker 2: not in the middle of nowhere, but far out enough 425 00:22:44,840 --> 00:22:47,160 Speaker 2: to where, you know, you're probably not imagining a big 426 00:22:47,200 --> 00:22:49,919 Speaker 2: city's going to come through and buy your land. It 427 00:22:50,000 --> 00:22:53,400 Speaker 2: was a huge deal. What happens to the land afterwards? 428 00:22:53,480 --> 00:22:56,359 Speaker 2: Can you sell it back to those landowners now that 429 00:22:56,400 --> 00:22:59,920 Speaker 2: you've drilled giant holes into it? And in some case 430 00:23:00,000 --> 00:23:04,159 Speaker 2: this has built huge tunnels that are made of metal 431 00:23:04,440 --> 00:23:08,359 Speaker 2: and cylindrical because those things, at least according to the 432 00:23:08,400 --> 00:23:11,320 Speaker 2: official story, they filled all of those tunnels up with 433 00:23:11,440 --> 00:23:14,520 Speaker 2: water and they capped all the shafts the entrances to 434 00:23:14,560 --> 00:23:18,399 Speaker 2: get down into them. So basically they're just sitting there dead. 435 00:23:18,920 --> 00:23:21,280 Speaker 2: Could you sell that back to somebody? Is it like 436 00:23:21,600 --> 00:23:23,760 Speaker 2: selling land that has a missile silo on it? 437 00:23:24,080 --> 00:23:27,040 Speaker 3: You know, it's a value add I could say, you 438 00:23:27,080 --> 00:23:30,360 Speaker 3: know what I mean, because also it's a bunker, right, 439 00:23:30,400 --> 00:23:34,359 Speaker 3: you could, That's what I'm saying, retrofit that and I guess, 440 00:23:34,720 --> 00:23:36,840 Speaker 3: you know, to answer the question, honestly, it would depend 441 00:23:36,920 --> 00:23:40,680 Speaker 3: on what the what the ideal use of the land 442 00:23:40,760 --> 00:23:44,360 Speaker 3: would be at that point, right, Like, are you still 443 00:23:44,600 --> 00:23:46,640 Speaker 3: able to use it the way that you would want 444 00:23:46,680 --> 00:23:49,240 Speaker 3: to use it? What is a fair price to sell 445 00:23:49,280 --> 00:23:52,840 Speaker 3: it back? You know, how do you handle things that 446 00:23:52,880 --> 00:23:56,440 Speaker 3: the private market would handle it? Adjusting for inflation, et cetera, 447 00:23:56,480 --> 00:24:00,680 Speaker 3: et cetera. And I don't know exactly how this would work, 448 00:24:00,720 --> 00:24:05,240 Speaker 3: but if it was taken for a through imminent domain 449 00:24:05,640 --> 00:24:08,919 Speaker 3: for this specific project, and that project is definitely not 450 00:24:09,119 --> 00:24:10,600 Speaker 3: happening anymore, right. 451 00:24:10,480 --> 00:24:13,240 Speaker 2: Bet no no? I mean again, the all of the 452 00:24:13,280 --> 00:24:16,840 Speaker 2: tunnels are flooded with water, shafts are capped. There is 453 00:24:17,040 --> 00:24:20,439 Speaker 2: a building or several buildings on the property, on this 454 00:24:20,560 --> 00:24:25,920 Speaker 2: huge swath of land that has according to WFAA, it's 455 00:24:25,920 --> 00:24:29,840 Speaker 2: a I think it's an ABC News affiliate. They said 456 00:24:29,920 --> 00:24:34,240 Speaker 2: that there's a chemical manufacturer that functions on the property somewhere. 457 00:24:35,320 --> 00:24:38,240 Speaker 2: But my question is, guys, this is what Gravy and 458 00:24:38,280 --> 00:24:41,600 Speaker 2: I were talking about. What if you did this entire 459 00:24:41,680 --> 00:24:46,000 Speaker 2: thing as cover to acquire all of that land and 460 00:24:46,160 --> 00:24:50,280 Speaker 2: start building something underneath it. But it's not a particle accelerator, 461 00:24:50,600 --> 00:24:53,760 Speaker 2: it's not a super collider, it's something else, and it's 462 00:24:53,800 --> 00:24:54,480 Speaker 2: still there. 463 00:24:55,080 --> 00:24:56,320 Speaker 3: Does Gravy have a guess? 464 00:24:56,400 --> 00:24:59,920 Speaker 2: The theory is like kind of bunker style stuff seek 465 00:25:00,080 --> 00:25:02,919 Speaker 2: create weapons that could be under there, the way some 466 00:25:03,080 --> 00:25:07,920 Speaker 2: land was purchased covertly to put you know, missiles underneath 467 00:25:07,920 --> 00:25:09,280 Speaker 2: them in silos. 468 00:25:09,040 --> 00:25:12,560 Speaker 4: Or Disney World, yeah, or Disney World. 469 00:25:13,560 --> 00:25:15,480 Speaker 2: But in this case, the land is all still there, 470 00:25:15,560 --> 00:25:18,400 Speaker 2: some own some previous landowners want it back. So it's 471 00:25:18,480 --> 00:25:22,000 Speaker 2: just it is a little weird. It feels like the 472 00:25:22,040 --> 00:25:24,560 Speaker 2: government could use the money, even if it's you know, 473 00:25:24,600 --> 00:25:27,280 Speaker 2: one hundred and fifty thousand dollars here, one point five 474 00:25:27,320 --> 00:25:31,000 Speaker 2: million dollars there, could probably use it. Why not sell 475 00:25:31,000 --> 00:25:34,919 Speaker 2: that stuff back unless there's you know, something wrong with 476 00:25:35,040 --> 00:25:36,240 Speaker 2: the soil, right. 477 00:25:36,280 --> 00:25:41,880 Speaker 3: There's the there are I mean, I think the troubling 478 00:25:41,920 --> 00:25:44,680 Speaker 3: thing about that gravy is that it is plausible. I 479 00:25:44,680 --> 00:25:47,720 Speaker 3: wouldn't even say, I wouldn't even dismiss it down to 480 00:25:47,760 --> 00:25:51,560 Speaker 3: the level of possible. It is plausible because precedent for 481 00:25:51,720 --> 00:25:55,040 Speaker 3: that sort of thing does exist, you know what I mean. 482 00:25:55,800 --> 00:26:02,200 Speaker 3: We know that there are often controversies surrounding any great work, 483 00:26:02,359 --> 00:26:05,399 Speaker 3: any work of this magnitude, like the Hoover Dam, you know, 484 00:26:05,520 --> 00:26:08,840 Speaker 3: the three gorgeous dam, a third thing that is not 485 00:26:08,920 --> 00:26:12,280 Speaker 3: a dam. I'm just doing rule of threes. The idea 486 00:26:12,280 --> 00:26:16,640 Speaker 3: of using it as a cover story doesn't necessarily mean 487 00:26:17,040 --> 00:26:21,080 Speaker 3: that the people building the thing always meant that to 488 00:26:21,119 --> 00:26:25,800 Speaker 3: be the case, right, It could be was the investment 489 00:26:25,880 --> 00:26:29,800 Speaker 3: group that purchased this maybe they just said, Hey, this 490 00:26:29,840 --> 00:26:31,840 Speaker 3: is kind of infrastructure for the thing we need. 491 00:26:32,080 --> 00:26:35,680 Speaker 2: Right right, What was that Project ice Worm we talked about. 492 00:26:35,760 --> 00:26:39,120 Speaker 2: There was like a secret construction project under the ice. 493 00:26:39,640 --> 00:26:42,320 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, Project ice Worm. 494 00:26:42,520 --> 00:26:45,359 Speaker 5: That's like some true Detective Season four type stuff, right, 495 00:26:45,600 --> 00:26:47,080 Speaker 5: We're not necessary. 496 00:26:47,240 --> 00:26:51,280 Speaker 3: Yeah, we did that because they wanted to build missile 497 00:26:51,359 --> 00:26:56,080 Speaker 3: launch sites under Greenland or under an ice sheet around Greenland. 498 00:26:56,520 --> 00:26:59,240 Speaker 3: And they thought, look, if we do this and we 499 00:26:59,240 --> 00:27:01,960 Speaker 3: don't tell any body what we're doing out here in 500 00:27:02,000 --> 00:27:05,639 Speaker 3: the middle of nowhere, no offense Greenland, then we will 501 00:27:05,680 --> 00:27:10,480 Speaker 3: have a secret sucker punch in the Great Nuclear Arms Race. 502 00:27:11,320 --> 00:27:14,399 Speaker 3: You know, it's the equivalent of like in Goonies where 503 00:27:14,440 --> 00:27:17,160 Speaker 3: the smart kid has the invention, like the boxing glove 504 00:27:17,200 --> 00:27:21,480 Speaker 3: that comes out it's on a spring. Yeah, that's definitely 505 00:27:21,480 --> 00:27:24,120 Speaker 3: not a dated reference I just did. But the ice 506 00:27:24,160 --> 00:27:27,359 Speaker 3: Worm was building something like that. And we know that 507 00:27:27,400 --> 00:27:31,159 Speaker 3: there are a lot of active sites in the United States. 508 00:27:31,200 --> 00:27:36,040 Speaker 3: Security is tight by necessity, so it's possible. I mean, 509 00:27:36,840 --> 00:27:39,159 Speaker 3: I don't know, Matt, what's our over and under on 510 00:27:39,440 --> 00:27:42,679 Speaker 3: getting boots in the ground. Love to join you, Gravy, 511 00:27:42,680 --> 00:27:45,000 Speaker 3: and let's see how far how far past the fence 512 00:27:45,040 --> 00:27:45,639 Speaker 3: we can get. 513 00:27:45,680 --> 00:27:47,880 Speaker 2: How deep can we go? How deep can we get 514 00:27:47,920 --> 00:27:54,439 Speaker 2: them boots into the ground. I let's do it. I 515 00:27:54,440 --> 00:27:56,480 Speaker 2: don't know, but I'd love to take a trip out 516 00:27:56,480 --> 00:27:58,240 Speaker 2: there and check out the land. But it is still 517 00:27:58,280 --> 00:28:01,800 Speaker 2: government property, so you know, there's an eight foot fence 518 00:28:02,160 --> 00:28:05,120 Speaker 2: as the gravy's point. You gotta be careful. I'm down. 519 00:28:05,240 --> 00:28:07,399 Speaker 2: I want to learn more. It feels cool to me. 520 00:28:07,600 --> 00:28:12,520 Speaker 2: It feels like such a missed opportunity. There there's some quotes. Actually, 521 00:28:12,720 --> 00:28:14,679 Speaker 2: let me give people this articles you can find it. 522 00:28:15,560 --> 00:28:19,359 Speaker 2: You can search for the super conducting super Collider colon 523 00:28:19,640 --> 00:28:23,520 Speaker 2: how Texas got the world's most ambitious scientific project, and 524 00:28:23,560 --> 00:28:26,640 Speaker 2: why it failed. This thing really was a big deal. 525 00:28:26,720 --> 00:28:28,960 Speaker 2: It was gonna it was before cern. It was gonna 526 00:28:29,000 --> 00:28:33,280 Speaker 2: be active for ten years prior to the large Hadron 527 00:28:33,320 --> 00:28:36,600 Speaker 2: collider coming on. There's quotes in there about all of that, like, man, 528 00:28:36,680 --> 00:28:39,800 Speaker 2: we really missed out. This was so amazing and we failed. 529 00:28:40,280 --> 00:28:42,959 Speaker 2: But it's because in order to make something like this, 530 00:28:43,040 --> 00:28:45,920 Speaker 2: you gotta get the will of the people, or enough 531 00:28:45,920 --> 00:28:48,480 Speaker 2: of the people that have enough of the money to 532 00:28:48,560 --> 00:28:49,680 Speaker 2: say okay. 533 00:28:50,160 --> 00:28:52,080 Speaker 3: And at every step of the way, you have to 534 00:28:52,160 --> 00:28:59,400 Speaker 3: defend the project against an army of lawmakers who want 535 00:28:59,440 --> 00:29:04,200 Speaker 3: to get real acted based on being tough spending yo, 536 00:29:04,360 --> 00:29:07,200 Speaker 3: And the first thing, often, the first thing that will 537 00:29:07,240 --> 00:29:09,920 Speaker 3: go is going to be a social program or a 538 00:29:10,040 --> 00:29:11,120 Speaker 3: scientific endeavor. 539 00:29:11,480 --> 00:29:14,560 Speaker 2: You know what, We could have done it. But George W. Bush. 540 00:29:14,600 --> 00:29:16,480 Speaker 2: You know what he famously said, Guys. 541 00:29:16,480 --> 00:29:17,080 Speaker 3: What'd you say? 542 00:29:18,480 --> 00:29:20,280 Speaker 2: No? No taxes? 543 00:29:23,400 --> 00:29:23,600 Speaker 1: Right? 544 00:29:26,760 --> 00:29:28,240 Speaker 3: I think a lot of people give them a hard 545 00:29:28,280 --> 00:29:33,560 Speaker 3: time because really, you gotta there's no such thing as former. 546 00:29:34,240 --> 00:29:36,479 Speaker 3: What I got to say is, like he you know, 547 00:29:36,720 --> 00:29:39,200 Speaker 3: maybe we need to read the printed transcript because his 548 00:29:39,280 --> 00:29:43,480 Speaker 3: original speech was probably no period new taxes. 549 00:29:43,760 --> 00:29:49,680 Speaker 2: Read my lips, new taxes, No new taxes. 550 00:29:49,760 --> 00:29:52,920 Speaker 3: Exactly because a plot twist he was given me credit 551 00:29:52,960 --> 00:29:56,280 Speaker 3: as a writer he deserves. But uh man, yeah, where 552 00:29:56,280 --> 00:29:57,440 Speaker 3: do where does this leave us? 553 00:29:57,680 --> 00:30:00,680 Speaker 2: Doesn't leave us anywhere? Besides thank you Gravy for calling 554 00:30:00,720 --> 00:30:03,520 Speaker 2: in when you did with this story. Thank you also, 555 00:30:03,680 --> 00:30:05,840 Speaker 2: And I'm going to tell this to you guys off air, 556 00:30:06,800 --> 00:30:08,920 Speaker 2: or maybe we can all just call Gravy back together. 557 00:30:09,120 --> 00:30:11,920 Speaker 2: He promises he's going to call back. Numerous times. He 558 00:30:11,960 --> 00:30:16,040 Speaker 2: told a little Myrtle Beach, South Carolina UFO story from 559 00:30:16,040 --> 00:30:18,360 Speaker 2: like nineteen eighty eight. Hell yeah, I want to tell 560 00:30:18,360 --> 00:30:20,600 Speaker 2: you guys about it. But how about this gravy call 561 00:30:20,680 --> 00:30:23,440 Speaker 2: back in tell us that story, then we can all 562 00:30:23,440 --> 00:30:25,400 Speaker 2: talk about it. That'll be the best way to do it. 563 00:30:25,800 --> 00:30:26,120 Speaker 4: All right. 564 00:30:26,160 --> 00:30:29,840 Speaker 2: Well, that's it for now, Thank you Gravy, Thank you biscuits. 565 00:30:30,160 --> 00:30:32,200 Speaker 2: We'll be right back with more messages from you. 566 00:30:38,960 --> 00:30:43,040 Speaker 3: And we have returned one thing a mental note just 567 00:30:43,120 --> 00:30:45,560 Speaker 3: while I have it in my head for another show, 568 00:30:45,560 --> 00:30:52,600 Speaker 3: we do ridiculous history top failed US massive US projects. 569 00:30:52,800 --> 00:30:54,959 Speaker 3: You know what I mean, what didn't become the Hoover Dam. 570 00:30:55,080 --> 00:30:56,960 Speaker 3: That's going to be a great episode. All right, We've 571 00:30:56,960 --> 00:31:00,360 Speaker 3: got that. Sorry, folks, you're seeing the homework live. Let's 572 00:31:00,400 --> 00:31:04,680 Speaker 3: start with a little bit of background. We had a 573 00:31:04,720 --> 00:31:09,280 Speaker 3: fantastic response from people with firsthand experience with a group 574 00:31:09,600 --> 00:31:15,280 Speaker 3: called locally two by two, sometimes referring to themselves as 575 00:31:15,560 --> 00:31:19,320 Speaker 3: the friends within the organization. And with this out of 576 00:31:19,360 --> 00:31:23,960 Speaker 3: all the correspondents, we got so much but really appreciated 577 00:31:24,040 --> 00:31:27,560 Speaker 3: this one from a conspiracy realist we will call see 578 00:31:27,720 --> 00:31:30,360 Speaker 3: see you said the following, Hello, I've been in a 579 00:31:30,440 --> 00:31:32,640 Speaker 3: stuff they don't want you to know, listener for years now. 580 00:31:32,720 --> 00:31:35,520 Speaker 3: I've always enjoyed your show. I usually skipped the listener 581 00:31:35,520 --> 00:31:38,040 Speaker 3: mail program, so I missed the one referring to the 582 00:31:38,080 --> 00:31:41,640 Speaker 3: two by twos as a cult until today. I wanted 583 00:31:41,640 --> 00:31:44,360 Speaker 3: to reach out right away because I grew up following 584 00:31:44,400 --> 00:31:48,040 Speaker 3: that religion. My sister was a worker or missionary for decades, 585 00:31:48,280 --> 00:31:51,400 Speaker 3: my parents had Sunday meetings church in their living room 586 00:31:51,480 --> 00:31:54,600 Speaker 3: every week, and many other people I deeply respect. There's 587 00:31:54,640 --> 00:31:58,160 Speaker 3: still part of that faith personally, says See, I stopped 588 00:31:58,200 --> 00:32:00,800 Speaker 3: attending meetings about thirteen year years ago when I was 589 00:32:00,840 --> 00:32:04,280 Speaker 3: deeply depressed and felt that not following any religion was 590 00:32:04,320 --> 00:32:06,920 Speaker 3: the best choice for my mental health. I still feel 591 00:32:06,920 --> 00:32:09,760 Speaker 3: that way for myself, but I know many people whose 592 00:32:09,760 --> 00:32:12,120 Speaker 3: mental health is helped by their faith, and I also 593 00:32:12,200 --> 00:32:14,800 Speaker 3: think that is valid, and I really appreciate that point. 594 00:32:14,880 --> 00:32:16,080 Speaker 4: See on the same. 595 00:32:15,880 --> 00:32:18,840 Speaker 3: Page There, he continues, all that is to say that 596 00:32:18,960 --> 00:32:21,560 Speaker 3: I did not leave the group on bad terms. I 597 00:32:21,600 --> 00:32:24,120 Speaker 3: didn't leave it because I think the doctrine is wrong. 598 00:32:24,480 --> 00:32:27,080 Speaker 3: But I did leave it and have not sought out 599 00:32:27,120 --> 00:32:30,280 Speaker 3: any other faith since. And this is where we get 600 00:32:30,320 --> 00:32:36,040 Speaker 3: some really even handed, even handed information from s who continues, 601 00:32:36,360 --> 00:32:39,600 Speaker 3: this group is not a cult. There is no central leader, 602 00:32:39,800 --> 00:32:42,360 Speaker 3: and the people who are in positions of authority, aren't 603 00:32:42,440 --> 00:32:45,800 Speaker 3: considered deities or anything like that, just a bit better 604 00:32:46,000 --> 00:32:49,760 Speaker 3: listening to and obeying God than the average believer. Maybe 605 00:32:49,880 --> 00:32:52,600 Speaker 3: the convention gatherings are not what you would expect if 606 00:32:52,600 --> 00:32:56,760 Speaker 3: you were picturing an evangelical megachurch service or something similar. 607 00:32:56,800 --> 00:33:02,320 Speaker 3: They're very quiet. The entire congregate sings hymns together. Anyone 608 00:33:02,320 --> 00:33:05,720 Speaker 3: who feels moved to has the opportunity to make a 609 00:33:05,720 --> 00:33:09,360 Speaker 3: short audible prayer. Several of the workers or ministers share 610 00:33:09,400 --> 00:33:13,080 Speaker 3: a message from the Bible. Members of the congregation also 611 00:33:13,160 --> 00:33:16,200 Speaker 3: have the opportunity to share brief messages from their own 612 00:33:16,280 --> 00:33:20,400 Speaker 3: Bible reading or just something that touched them. We'll get 613 00:33:20,400 --> 00:33:22,800 Speaker 3: back to this line that has already been shared at 614 00:33:22,840 --> 00:33:26,760 Speaker 3: the convention, and here we get a really humanizing thing. 615 00:33:26,800 --> 00:33:27,000 Speaker 4: Here. 616 00:33:27,560 --> 00:33:29,880 Speaker 3: I will defend the beliefs and way of life of 617 00:33:29,920 --> 00:33:32,800 Speaker 3: these people or what these people have, with all my heart. 618 00:33:33,080 --> 00:33:36,360 Speaker 3: But of course, the vice articles are about CSA, which 619 00:33:36,400 --> 00:33:40,600 Speaker 3: is child sexual abuse, which is indefensible. Unfortunately, because there 620 00:33:40,640 --> 00:33:43,680 Speaker 3: is no central leader, no formal training of any kind 621 00:33:43,760 --> 00:33:47,640 Speaker 3: for the workers the ministers, each instance where abuse took 622 00:33:47,640 --> 00:33:50,800 Speaker 3: place was handled or not handled, more likely by a 623 00:33:50,800 --> 00:33:54,120 Speaker 3: person who had no business handling I can't defend not 624 00:33:54,240 --> 00:33:57,720 Speaker 3: reporting alleged CSA to authorities, but I can say that 625 00:33:57,840 --> 00:34:01,600 Speaker 3: was definitely not a policy. Vaguely aware of one instance 626 00:34:01,680 --> 00:34:05,800 Speaker 3: where a male worker was accused of inappropriate behavior with miners, 627 00:34:06,000 --> 00:34:08,680 Speaker 3: and while I don't remember the circumstances of something that 628 00:34:08,760 --> 00:34:11,840 Speaker 3: happened half my life ago, I do remember that he 629 00:34:11,920 --> 00:34:16,640 Speaker 3: killed himself rather than face the consequences. More than anything else, 630 00:34:16,840 --> 00:34:19,520 Speaker 3: I want to impress upon you that abuse of any 631 00:34:19,600 --> 00:34:23,560 Speaker 3: kind is not taught or generally accepted in this faith. 632 00:34:23,880 --> 00:34:26,680 Speaker 3: The fact that men in positions of authority use that 633 00:34:26,840 --> 00:34:30,560 Speaker 3: power and authority to rape is horrifying, but it's by 634 00:34:30,600 --> 00:34:33,720 Speaker 3: no means unique to this group. The fact that reports 635 00:34:33,719 --> 00:34:36,680 Speaker 3: of abuse were mishandled or ignored is awful, but I 636 00:34:36,760 --> 00:34:40,400 Speaker 3: believe it is a product of people with no training 637 00:34:40,560 --> 00:34:44,680 Speaker 3: relying on decades old traditions, rather than a product of 638 00:34:45,040 --> 00:34:49,520 Speaker 3: malicious intent. I can't say the friends are universally good people, 639 00:34:49,840 --> 00:34:52,600 Speaker 3: but that's just it says. See, the group is made 640 00:34:52,640 --> 00:34:55,719 Speaker 3: up of people. Some are good, some are mediocre, and 641 00:34:55,800 --> 00:34:58,160 Speaker 3: a few have turned out to be truly awful, just 642 00:34:58,239 --> 00:35:01,480 Speaker 3: like people all over the world, in or out of 643 00:35:01,560 --> 00:35:05,839 Speaker 3: any religion or way of life. We'll stop it there, 644 00:35:05,880 --> 00:35:07,840 Speaker 3: But I think those are pretty solid points. 645 00:35:07,840 --> 00:35:10,719 Speaker 2: What do you don't think, no doubt? Yeah, well it's 646 00:35:10,719 --> 00:35:12,879 Speaker 2: super solid. And it's great to hear from somebody who 647 00:35:12,920 --> 00:35:17,520 Speaker 2: has real experience inside and understands how it works and 648 00:35:17,600 --> 00:35:20,840 Speaker 2: understands the way it feels to be a member of 649 00:35:20,920 --> 00:35:24,480 Speaker 2: the group, which is I think something that anybody who 650 00:35:24,520 --> 00:35:27,480 Speaker 2: hasn't actually experienced that, you know, been in the worship 651 00:35:27,760 --> 00:35:32,080 Speaker 2: sessions of whatever religion, whatever belief system it is, been 652 00:35:32,160 --> 00:35:35,640 Speaker 2: in the moments where there's prayer, the moments where a 653 00:35:35,680 --> 00:35:39,160 Speaker 2: pastor or a leader of a group is actually speaking 654 00:35:39,360 --> 00:35:42,480 Speaker 2: to you, and what those words sound like coming out 655 00:35:42,520 --> 00:35:44,880 Speaker 2: of them rather than just being written down, because it 656 00:35:44,920 --> 00:35:48,879 Speaker 2: really can change things. I think about the way transcripts 657 00:35:48,920 --> 00:35:51,879 Speaker 2: look of podcasts right when we've gone over those. It's 658 00:35:51,960 --> 00:35:55,360 Speaker 2: very different when it's being I hate hesitate to say performed, 659 00:35:55,400 --> 00:35:58,880 Speaker 2: but it's when it's being emitted by a human voice 660 00:35:59,000 --> 00:36:01,879 Speaker 2: rather than just words that anybody could read in their 661 00:36:01,880 --> 00:36:03,279 Speaker 2: own voice and give it their own thing. 662 00:36:03,920 --> 00:36:11,120 Speaker 3: Intonation, cadence, right, and frequency implication. Most human communication is 663 00:36:11,280 --> 00:36:14,280 Speaker 3: not the words people are actually saying to you, especially 664 00:36:14,360 --> 00:36:18,319 Speaker 3: in an in person situation. And I would say that 665 00:36:18,760 --> 00:36:23,239 Speaker 3: there are people of tremendous faith who are also just 666 00:36:23,360 --> 00:36:26,239 Speaker 3: super awesome people, you know what I mean. Like, I 667 00:36:26,360 --> 00:36:29,520 Speaker 3: love hanging out with monks from pretty much any religion. 668 00:36:29,760 --> 00:36:35,640 Speaker 3: They're super chill, right, And we also see this point 669 00:36:35,760 --> 00:36:39,560 Speaker 3: about a group being made of people. It's something that 670 00:36:39,600 --> 00:36:42,480 Speaker 3: we have talked about at length on this show, and 671 00:36:42,520 --> 00:36:46,759 Speaker 3: it's something that you know, I think it's something a 672 00:36:46,760 --> 00:36:49,839 Speaker 3: lot of people struggle with, is the idea that we 673 00:36:49,920 --> 00:36:53,279 Speaker 3: should not dismiss other people's beliefs, especially if they're not 674 00:36:53,360 --> 00:36:56,200 Speaker 3: forcing anything on you. It's easy for us to poo 675 00:36:56,239 --> 00:36:58,400 Speaker 3: poo things. You know, a lot of us used to 676 00:36:58,440 --> 00:37:01,480 Speaker 3: be those hot headed internet athiest on Reddit. But if 677 00:37:01,560 --> 00:37:05,520 Speaker 3: it's working for them, and further indeed, if it's helping 678 00:37:05,560 --> 00:37:08,239 Speaker 3: them make the world a better place, that I say, 679 00:37:08,280 --> 00:37:10,000 Speaker 3: go team I've got say that. 680 00:37:10,320 --> 00:37:12,000 Speaker 4: Yeah, one hundred percent say it. 681 00:37:12,040 --> 00:37:15,400 Speaker 5: I'll literally say it out loud often when having conversations 682 00:37:15,440 --> 00:37:15,879 Speaker 5: about Religi. 683 00:37:15,880 --> 00:37:18,800 Speaker 4: There's even a part of me that is a little envious. 684 00:37:18,640 --> 00:37:21,319 Speaker 5: Of the good ones, the folks that have faith and 685 00:37:21,400 --> 00:37:25,200 Speaker 5: have religion and use it as a positive force in 686 00:37:25,239 --> 00:37:29,440 Speaker 5: their lives. There's some part of me that wishes that 687 00:37:29,480 --> 00:37:30,000 Speaker 5: I have that. 688 00:37:30,000 --> 00:37:30,600 Speaker 4: In my life. 689 00:37:30,760 --> 00:37:33,719 Speaker 3: I'm not gonna lie now. To be clear, this is 690 00:37:34,120 --> 00:37:36,680 Speaker 3: there's a very even handed thing, as you were saying, 691 00:37:36,719 --> 00:37:39,440 Speaker 3: it's from somebody who's in the organization or was in 692 00:37:39,480 --> 00:37:43,080 Speaker 3: the organization and seem to have, you know, by and large, 693 00:37:43,800 --> 00:37:47,800 Speaker 3: a good or at least not terrible and traumatizing experience. 694 00:37:48,120 --> 00:37:50,640 Speaker 3: This is not the only piece of correspondence. We had 695 00:37:50,680 --> 00:37:54,600 Speaker 3: a lot of other people right in who have views 696 00:37:54,719 --> 00:37:58,520 Speaker 3: or opinions or experiences that make differ. And I think 697 00:37:58,719 --> 00:38:01,520 Speaker 3: that difference, that description and see just goes to further 698 00:38:01,680 --> 00:38:05,959 Speaker 3: proof ceas point like, not all nodes of these communities, 699 00:38:06,320 --> 00:38:09,120 Speaker 3: right were uh, were monolithic? 700 00:38:09,200 --> 00:38:09,359 Speaker 4: Right? 701 00:38:09,400 --> 00:38:12,000 Speaker 3: They weren't all doing the same thing, you know. 702 00:38:12,400 --> 00:38:12,640 Speaker 4: Uh. 703 00:38:12,680 --> 00:38:17,080 Speaker 3: And the point about organizations is also really powerful because 704 00:38:17,120 --> 00:38:21,359 Speaker 3: bad faith actors can be in pretty much any organization 705 00:38:21,840 --> 00:38:26,520 Speaker 3: outside of maybe municipal governments in Singapore, because those guys 706 00:38:26,520 --> 00:38:29,640 Speaker 3: are pretty sweaky clean. It's a weird way to walk, 707 00:38:29,680 --> 00:38:32,640 Speaker 3: but they are have they are very up to snuff. 708 00:38:32,920 --> 00:38:36,000 Speaker 2: Yeah I did. I've been rewatching the Righteous Gemstones again. 709 00:38:36,040 --> 00:38:37,399 Speaker 2: I think I keep mentioning this. 710 00:38:38,840 --> 00:38:41,520 Speaker 3: I watch Oh gosh, can I tell you my favorite 711 00:38:42,040 --> 00:38:44,399 Speaker 3: I've got issues? Things get stuck in my head. I 712 00:38:44,440 --> 00:38:48,239 Speaker 3: have watched a troubling amount of times in a row 713 00:38:48,640 --> 00:38:53,520 Speaker 3: the song misbehaving, and we all know misbehaving. 714 00:38:54,560 --> 00:39:00,960 Speaker 8: Yeah, the weirdest line in the This is what captures me, 715 00:39:01,000 --> 00:39:03,879 Speaker 8: the weirdest line because it's an example of like good 716 00:39:03,880 --> 00:39:08,080 Speaker 8: old timey cracker barrel type kid hijinks misbehavior, you know. 717 00:39:08,360 --> 00:39:11,160 Speaker 8: But there's a dark side to it, and they come 718 00:39:11,200 --> 00:39:14,360 Speaker 8: from Baby Billy's parts. In one part, he's just saying, 719 00:39:14,640 --> 00:39:20,320 Speaker 8: run around the house with a pickle in my mouth speed. 720 00:39:20,000 --> 00:39:24,880 Speaker 5: I don't know, he's just being man. I really like, 721 00:39:25,239 --> 00:39:30,680 Speaker 5: what is it? Oh lord, there's a payday. 722 00:39:31,320 --> 00:39:36,239 Speaker 2: That's when Baby Billy is singing at the resort. I 723 00:39:36,440 --> 00:39:39,759 Speaker 2: just watched that episode and I cannot stop that thing 724 00:39:39,840 --> 00:39:40,360 Speaker 2: from playing. 725 00:39:41,960 --> 00:39:44,840 Speaker 4: You're wearing the giant like shell or whatever. 726 00:39:45,480 --> 00:39:49,520 Speaker 3: The misbehaving line though, the sinister part that mentioning go 727 00:39:49,600 --> 00:39:52,880 Speaker 3: back and listen to this he he begs his daddy 728 00:39:52,960 --> 00:39:54,400 Speaker 3: not to disappear. 729 00:39:56,000 --> 00:39:57,640 Speaker 4: So very baby Billy. 730 00:39:57,880 --> 00:40:01,319 Speaker 3: It's just like one line and then levels to that song. 731 00:40:01,680 --> 00:40:03,600 Speaker 3: But yeah, I'm sorry, I derailed us. 732 00:40:03,640 --> 00:40:07,520 Speaker 5: Why always worth a righteous Gemstones derailment? 733 00:40:07,760 --> 00:40:10,239 Speaker 2: I did real because I wanted to mention. I wanted 734 00:40:10,280 --> 00:40:13,919 Speaker 2: to shout out again, Tony, I think it's Cavallero. Yeah, 735 00:40:14,040 --> 00:40:18,120 Speaker 2: he plays Keith just he. I watched the scene again 736 00:40:18,200 --> 00:40:23,279 Speaker 2: where he slaps one of the muscle men's pecks, and 737 00:40:23,320 --> 00:40:26,759 Speaker 2: it is just one of the funniest, like small comedic 738 00:40:27,080 --> 00:40:28,399 Speaker 2: physical things I've seen a lot. 739 00:40:28,760 --> 00:40:30,480 Speaker 4: He's a big fan of Disgrace Land. 740 00:40:30,520 --> 00:40:32,560 Speaker 5: It's a podcast we used to have on the network, 741 00:40:32,600 --> 00:40:35,600 Speaker 5: and I worked with those guys and through them. 742 00:40:35,719 --> 00:40:37,600 Speaker 4: I actually had a zoom call with. 743 00:40:37,560 --> 00:40:39,360 Speaker 5: Him one time, and it was funny because it was 744 00:40:39,400 --> 00:40:42,400 Speaker 5: before I was a super fan of the show, so 745 00:40:42,520 --> 00:40:44,399 Speaker 5: I didn't really think that much of it. 746 00:40:44,400 --> 00:40:46,120 Speaker 4: It was just like like I was like hearing a 747 00:40:46,160 --> 00:40:48,640 Speaker 4: podcast picture or something. But now that I'm a huge fan, 748 00:40:48,680 --> 00:40:50,640 Speaker 4: I'm like thinking back on that, I'm like, dang, I 749 00:40:50,680 --> 00:40:52,439 Speaker 4: wish I wish it would have happened just a little 750 00:40:52,440 --> 00:40:52,839 Speaker 4: bit later. 751 00:40:53,000 --> 00:40:55,560 Speaker 3: We're going to keep this one relatively short. Again, we 752 00:40:55,600 --> 00:41:00,160 Speaker 3: have missions to embark upon. However, before we do, I'd 753 00:41:00,239 --> 00:41:04,400 Speaker 3: like to give you one Letter from Home again, our 754 00:41:04,480 --> 00:41:09,960 Speaker 3: sort of conspiratorial Prairie Home Companion without the Garrison Keeler creepiness, 755 00:41:09,960 --> 00:41:12,279 Speaker 3: hopefully because he got in trouble. I don't know if 756 00:41:12,320 --> 00:41:15,320 Speaker 3: you guys heard about that yeah, yeah, bad stories. Yeah. 757 00:41:14,960 --> 00:41:19,160 Speaker 3: Uh so this comes to us from Son of a Mitch. No, 758 00:41:19,400 --> 00:41:22,480 Speaker 3: Son of the Mitch says, uh again, letters from home, 759 00:41:22,520 --> 00:41:24,440 Speaker 3: it's just our How you doing, How are you folks? 760 00:41:24,600 --> 00:41:26,040 Speaker 3: You know, tell us about your part of the world. 761 00:41:26,160 --> 00:41:28,360 Speaker 3: Son of the Mitch says, Hey, guys, I wanted to 762 00:41:28,400 --> 00:41:30,959 Speaker 3: reach out and say thanks for crafting such a great show. 763 00:41:31,200 --> 00:41:33,120 Speaker 3: You threw your part of my daily commute, and it's 764 00:41:33,160 --> 00:41:35,480 Speaker 3: a huge benefit to be able to spend that time 765 00:41:35,880 --> 00:41:41,120 Speaker 3: learning while also being entertained a difficult balancing act. Thank you, sir. 766 00:41:41,480 --> 00:41:44,040 Speaker 3: Like Mark Twain said, you can live for a long 767 00:41:44,120 --> 00:41:45,400 Speaker 3: time off one compliment. 768 00:41:45,880 --> 00:41:46,480 Speaker 4: I listened to. 769 00:41:46,440 --> 00:41:50,400 Speaker 3: Your strange news program covering the North Korean balloons filled 770 00:41:50,400 --> 00:41:54,160 Speaker 3: with feces and trash, and my first thought was, ah, 771 00:41:54,520 --> 00:42:01,560 Speaker 3: those darn ninety nine loot balloons. Going back to the 772 00:42:01,600 --> 00:42:06,279 Speaker 3: note about transcript versus speech, and so, the Son of 773 00:42:06,280 --> 00:42:08,840 Speaker 3: a Mitch says, I know a joke of this variety 774 00:42:08,880 --> 00:42:12,000 Speaker 3: is tricky to deliver through a medium that's primarily audio, 775 00:42:12,400 --> 00:42:15,200 Speaker 3: but it seemed to be something Ben could pull off. 776 00:42:15,440 --> 00:42:16,000 Speaker 4: Hope we did. 777 00:42:16,000 --> 00:42:18,919 Speaker 3: Your proud Son of a Mitch, thank you so much 778 00:42:18,960 --> 00:42:22,520 Speaker 3: for writing to us. Hashtag no pun left behind, not 779 00:42:22,640 --> 00:42:25,400 Speaker 3: even humorous. Harry has he emailed us recently? 780 00:42:25,640 --> 00:42:28,799 Speaker 4: God, I hope not. I'm just getting humorous there and 781 00:42:28,800 --> 00:42:31,279 Speaker 4: we love you. And the very last thing. 782 00:42:31,320 --> 00:42:33,359 Speaker 3: You may have seen this somewhere on social media, but 783 00:42:33,400 --> 00:42:36,040 Speaker 3: we just figured out, or I just figured out, you 784 00:42:36,080 --> 00:42:40,160 Speaker 3: can get Illumination Global Unlimited hats. I thought they were 785 00:42:40,280 --> 00:42:43,719 Speaker 3: just T shirts. So it turns out that we still 786 00:42:43,760 --> 00:42:44,280 Speaker 3: have swag. 787 00:42:44,320 --> 00:42:49,279 Speaker 5: You guys, Wow, have swag for days. Bro swagger that's 788 00:42:49,280 --> 00:42:52,160 Speaker 5: what you call it. No swaggers is different. Yeah, merged, 789 00:42:52,200 --> 00:42:55,399 Speaker 5: that's right, you totally can. Ben's rocking the hat right now, 790 00:42:55,600 --> 00:42:56,760 Speaker 5: Illumination Global Unlimit. 791 00:42:56,800 --> 00:42:57,839 Speaker 4: It looks great on you. Yeah. 792 00:42:57,960 --> 00:43:01,319 Speaker 3: We are proudly sponsored by Illumination Global Unlimited. And thank 793 00:43:01,360 --> 00:43:04,200 Speaker 3: you for saying so. No, I am required to state 794 00:43:04,320 --> 00:43:08,439 Speaker 3: quote Illumination Global Unlimited has in no way threatened our families, friends, 795 00:43:08,560 --> 00:43:09,640 Speaker 3: or current nation states. 796 00:43:10,040 --> 00:43:12,319 Speaker 4: And I think I. 797 00:43:12,280 --> 00:43:14,719 Speaker 3: Think we got it there. We're going to call it 798 00:43:14,800 --> 00:43:18,200 Speaker 3: an evening venture out into the darkness, and if you 799 00:43:18,200 --> 00:43:20,080 Speaker 3: would like to walk off the edges of the map, 800 00:43:20,120 --> 00:43:23,240 Speaker 3: you can join us there too. Thanks to see thanks 801 00:43:23,239 --> 00:43:26,239 Speaker 3: to Son of a Mitch, Gravy, Nico and everybody else 802 00:43:26,400 --> 00:43:30,080 Speaker 3: who took the time to join us on our continuing mission. 803 00:43:30,200 --> 00:43:32,760 Speaker 3: I'm not going to do the full Star Trek reference, 804 00:43:32,800 --> 00:43:35,560 Speaker 3: but we want to be easy to find online, correct. 805 00:43:35,640 --> 00:43:37,640 Speaker 5: We do want that and we hope that we achieve 806 00:43:37,719 --> 00:43:40,439 Speaker 5: that with our handle Conspiracy Stuff, which is the way 807 00:43:40,440 --> 00:43:43,080 Speaker 5: you can locate us on your Internet platform of choice, 808 00:43:43,120 --> 00:43:46,160 Speaker 5: including Facebook, where we have our Facebook group. Here's where 809 00:43:46,160 --> 00:43:50,520 Speaker 5: it gets crazy, xfka Twitter as well as you too, 810 00:43:50,719 --> 00:43:54,799 Speaker 5: with fresh video content rolling your way every single week. 811 00:43:54,760 --> 00:43:57,040 Speaker 4: On Instagram and TikTok. You can find this at the 812 00:43:57,040 --> 00:43:59,120 Speaker 4: handle conspiracy Stuff show. 813 00:43:59,640 --> 00:44:03,640 Speaker 2: These are the voyages of the starships stuff. They don't 814 00:44:03,640 --> 00:44:07,080 Speaker 2: want you to know you can access it. You can 815 00:44:07,120 --> 00:44:12,160 Speaker 2: access it by dialing one eight three three std WYTK. 816 00:44:12,880 --> 00:44:14,680 Speaker 2: Put it in your phone as a contact so you 817 00:44:14,760 --> 00:44:17,839 Speaker 2: know if the void calls you back, cause it might 818 00:44:20,200 --> 00:44:22,319 Speaker 2: when you call in, give yourself a cool nickname. Then 819 00:44:22,360 --> 00:44:24,880 Speaker 2: you've got three minutes say whatever you'd like do include 820 00:44:24,880 --> 00:44:26,719 Speaker 2: in that message, whether or not we have permission to 821 00:44:26,840 --> 00:44:29,239 Speaker 2: use your voice and message on the air. If you 822 00:44:29,320 --> 00:44:31,120 Speaker 2: got more to say they can fit in that three 823 00:44:31,120 --> 00:44:33,680 Speaker 2: minute voicemail. Why not instead send us a good old 824 00:44:33,760 --> 00:44:34,600 Speaker 2: fashioned email. 825 00:44:34,760 --> 00:44:38,000 Speaker 3: We are the entities that read every single message we receive. 826 00:44:38,200 --> 00:44:38,920 Speaker 4: Be well aware. 827 00:44:39,320 --> 00:44:42,239 Speaker 3: Sometimes the void writes back. And I've been saying that 828 00:44:42,280 --> 00:44:45,920 Speaker 3: a lot lately, because it is true. Twenty four hours 829 00:44:45,920 --> 00:44:48,760 Speaker 3: in the evening, seven nights a week, all you gotta 830 00:44:48,800 --> 00:44:51,520 Speaker 3: do is reach out and touch Faith can't wait to 831 00:44:51,560 --> 00:45:13,120 Speaker 3: hear from you. Conspiracy at iHeartRadio dot com. 832 00:45:13,280 --> 00:45:15,320 Speaker 2: Stuff they don't want you to know is a production 833 00:45:15,440 --> 00:45:19,959 Speaker 2: of iHeartRadio. For more podcasts from iHeartRadio, visit the iHeartRadio app, 834 00:45:20,040 --> 00:45:22,920 Speaker 2: Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to your favorite shows.