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Speaker 1: On Tyler Conklin in the house today on Halloween. Oh man,
Speaker 1: how tough of a game was that against the Patriots
Speaker 1: yesterday seventeen? Felt like you were in control, but a
Speaker 1: lot of the guys were saying after the game, you
Speaker 1: let us slip away. Yeah, one hurts. Uh. You know,
Speaker 1: that's my first time in this rivalry, right, and you
Speaker 1: know how much the all you here all weeks, how
Speaker 1: much the fans hate him, how much everybody hates him,
Speaker 1: and um, we not got that same the same hate
Speaker 1: for him now, that's for sure. But uh yeah, definitely
Speaker 1: definitely slipped away from us. It's one of those games
Speaker 1: we're gonna look back at and, um, you know, should have,
Speaker 1: would have could it? But you know, it is what
Speaker 1: it is. And uh, we get to see him in
Speaker 1: a couple of weeks. So how frustrating was our film
Speaker 1: study today when you looked at all the opportunities and
Speaker 1: how close you were, and you know how Bill gets
Speaker 1: these mirages defensively to kind of scoop you out of
Speaker 1: things when you realize that he really isn't a big,
Speaker 1: bad whooping personnel wise, you guys have and the more
Speaker 1: enough talent to be, you know, to put more points
Speaker 1: on the board against that defense. Yeah, I think that's
Speaker 1: one of the frustrating parts is the fact that we
Speaker 1: we know and feel like we're the more talented team,
Speaker 1: right and uh, you know, we feel like we could
Speaker 1: have made so many big plays and dominated that game,
Speaker 1: and you come out of it you didn't. And that's
Speaker 1: the most frustrating part about it. Um. And for the
Speaker 1: most part, they really didn't too much, didn't do too
Speaker 1: much too trying to trick us. I mean, we knew
Speaker 1: they were gonna have some weird personnels at times. They
Speaker 1: got a couple of fronts that we didn't expect them
Speaker 1: to get into. But uh, for the most part, when
Speaker 1: they did that, we handled it well. Uh you know,
Speaker 1: obviously we just at the time we got to take
Speaker 1: care of the ball better. And uh, you know, it
Speaker 1: makes some makes some places when we need to make them.
Speaker 1: But it's just frustrating loss for sure. What about you
Speaker 1: six catches seventy nine yards, two touchdowns. The two touchdowns
Speaker 1: a career high in a single game. Also, five of
Speaker 1: those six catches going for first downs, also a career high. Uh.
Speaker 1: Obviously didn't like the team outcome, but as far as individually,
Speaker 1: how big of a step was that for you and
Speaker 1: the young quarterback Zach Wilson. Yeah. You know, it's a
Speaker 1: lot easier to be happy about a big game when
Speaker 1: when you win. But I think I think it's big
Speaker 1: for me and that because I want to be someone
Speaker 1: that he trusts on third down. I want to be
Speaker 1: someone that he trusts when when things break down or um,
Speaker 1: you know, when he just needs to make a choice
Speaker 1: between the side and make a play. I want to
Speaker 1: keep building that trust. That was one of the big
Speaker 1: reasons and one of the things I was excited about
Speaker 1: when coming here. It was to be able to work
Speaker 1: with the young quarterback and and help become that guy
Speaker 1: for him. Uh. And I think when we watched the
Speaker 1: film today, the big thing was, no, he he did
Speaker 1: a good job, making a lot of you know, good
Speaker 1: reads right away, throwing some really good balls. The first
Speaker 1: touchdown he told me was a great ball. Um. You know,
Speaker 1: I think I think it was big big for our chemistry.
Speaker 1: I think it's big for me. You know, I'm still
Speaker 1: uh trying to get better and better every single day,
Speaker 1: every single every game in this league and uh trying
Speaker 1: to become the player that I know I can be.
Speaker 1: So I think it was big for me and Zach
Speaker 1: and myself in general. Not making excuses, but you guys
Speaker 1: had to really adjust to the fact that you don't
Speaker 1: have reach Hall, you know, behind you know, behind Zach
Speaker 1: and James Robinson and Michael Carter. How was that adjustment
Speaker 1: because it feels like you guys were not able to
Speaker 1: really get James going. It was kind of tough to
Speaker 1: be put into a new system, New Bourbidge, New Town,
Speaker 1: all within a week and be expected to produce. How
Speaker 1: do you guys kind of put that whole package in
Speaker 1: the microwave and try and cook it faster and and
Speaker 1: the organically you know, cooked in the other or in
Speaker 1: the crop pod. I know there's a lot of stuff. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I kind of hung it through, But you know, I
Speaker 1: feel like we didn't have too many opportunities in their
Speaker 1: own game, right. I don't know how many times how
Speaker 1: many rushies we ended up with dirt Team. I want
Speaker 1: to say I want to say, maybe MC had seven
Speaker 1: rushes and James had five twelve whatever ended up being um,
Speaker 1: you know, and being down at times in the fourth quarter,
Speaker 1: being some two minute drills. We you know, probably didn't
Speaker 1: run the ball maybe as much as we wanted to
Speaker 1: at times, and uh, you know, I can only imagine
Speaker 1: how quick of a turnover that is for uh, for
Speaker 1: James um learning that playbook and trying to be ready
Speaker 1: to go and short notice like that. But I don't
Speaker 1: think it's uh, you know, I think obviously missing Breece
Speaker 1: is huge. He's a hell of a player and he
Speaker 1: showed that so early in his career. But uh, you know,
Speaker 1: so MC and James are both really good running backs too,
Speaker 1: and uh now I'm excited for them to show everybody,
Speaker 1: you know, what they can do and how are running
Speaker 1: game is gonna be, you know, you know, just as
Speaker 1: Poland So what about Garrett Wilson going over a hundred
Speaker 1: yards receiving for the second time as a pro. He's
Speaker 1: only played eight games in the National Football League? What
Speaker 1: have you seen from him? And what kind of potential
Speaker 1: does that guy have? Yeah, so everybody kind of has
Speaker 1: been saying it now, but I was saying that since
Speaker 1: I first got here that he it's a little bit
Speaker 1: of Justin Jefferson in him. Uh, just the way he moves,
Speaker 1: kind of like the euro stepping as he strides, and
Speaker 1: the wiggle and slipperiness he has, uh them to beat
Speaker 1: press coverage and and whatnot. And he obviously has special
Speaker 1: ability after after the catch. And I think you know,
Speaker 1: he's moving around a lot as a young guy. Right
Speaker 1: he's in the slide, he's playing actually playing z's playing
Speaker 1: F and there's just so many intricacies that go with that,
Speaker 1: you know, when he's going from being outside just being
Speaker 1: someone man coverage to happen to go inside in the
Speaker 1: slot and you know, and fuel zones and run different
Speaker 1: types of routes that uh, you know, he's just gonna
Speaker 1: keep growing and getting better, I think, But you know,
Speaker 1: the Scott's a limit for him. Did you tell him
Speaker 1: that after you made the Justin Jefferson comparison or you know,
Speaker 1: I've never I've never told him that. I actually I
Speaker 1: hope he doesn't hear this, but uh, you know, he's
Speaker 1: all he's he's a super humble, humble kid anyway, But
Speaker 1: you know, it's really just the way they move, you know,
Speaker 1: the way they can go high point the ball, the
Speaker 1: way they you know release and for me, it's just
Speaker 1: like the the Euro step as they you know, kind
Speaker 1: of just running any type of route, just the back
Speaker 1: and forth and slipperiness of it. But yeah, yeah, Garret
Speaker 1: wasn't very very um shifty, right, very sudden when he
Speaker 1: when he makes his moves, and you can tell people
Speaker 1: respect his quickness within like within the in in a
Speaker 1: confined space. You know, this is the first time probably
Speaker 1: this season, since early in the season that you guys
Speaker 1: probably have a live up the expectations and you know
Speaker 1: kind of had a letdown. How do you guys rebound quickly?
Speaker 1: And how do you guys you know, match up and
Speaker 1: what's the mindset when you start thinking about going against
Speaker 1: arguably the best team in the NFL. You know, the
Speaker 1: excitement level, but the focus and I know that this
Speaker 1: and this is a day where it's an off day,
Speaker 1: but you had to peek at the game, you know,
Speaker 1: maybe on the plane, you know, I mean you have
Speaker 1: to see the game maybe last night, and trying to
Speaker 1: get an early assessment of what you think you can
Speaker 1: have an opportunity to do against the Buffalo Bills defense
Speaker 1: that are is tremendous, and you know what, the defense has,
Speaker 1: the tasks that they have and stopping arguably the leading
Speaker 1: m v P candidate no plane last night coming home
Speaker 1: from life. Yeah, I'm following you. We're on We're we're
Speaker 1: on Woody's helicopter yesterday. But uh yeah, I mean I
Speaker 1: watched the game last night, and uh, I think the
Speaker 1: beauty of this league is, well, you got you got
Speaker 1: a quick turnaround, right. We have a game, we have
Speaker 1: a tough loss. You know, you said the expectations that flipped.
Speaker 1: We're expected to win a game. And that's that's that's
Speaker 1: new for um, you know the organization as of right now.
Speaker 1: Right so um, it's it's a little bit of a letdown,
Speaker 1: but you know, you don't have much time to sit
Speaker 1: there and mourn it and and feel bad about it.
Speaker 1: You know, you let it hurt for a little bit
Speaker 1: and you move on. And I watched the game last night.
Speaker 1: I think with the Bills is you know how explosed
Speaker 1: with their offense is and uh, you know, we know
Speaker 1: how well our defense is playing. So you know, we're
Speaker 1: we feel good about that. I'm excited to watch to
Speaker 1: watch that matchup. But on defense, they you know, they're
Speaker 1: not gonna try to trick you. They you know they're
Speaker 1: gonna you know what front they're gonna be in for
Speaker 1: the most part. Um, they're gonna do what they do.
Speaker 1: And it's it's a team that's kind of been in
Speaker 1: that sits this defensive system for you know, four or
Speaker 1: five years, and uh, they keep getting better and better.
Speaker 1: They fly around and or they're supposed to be and
Speaker 1: you know, kind of like a coach, I always say,
Speaker 1: you know, you know what you're doing on defense, and
Speaker 1: then as a defensive player, you can go in green
Speaker 1: light something and make a play and make a difference
Speaker 1: in the game. Uh. So you know, I think from
Speaker 1: a standpoint, we just got to execute. You know, we
Speaker 1: know what they're gonna be in, and we know our
Speaker 1: coaching gonna put a good plan together for us. So
Speaker 1: we just gotta go out there and execute and make
Speaker 1: the play. A totally different way they tach people the
Speaker 1: Jets defense, Bills defense, but there are similarities because the
Speaker 1: Bills like to rush for and play seven in the back,
Speaker 1: and we've been seeing your defense have a lot of
Speaker 1: success doing that as well. Right, So, Uh, the Buffalo
Speaker 1: will tell you, hey, listen, we're just gonna put seven
Speaker 1: in the back and try to beat us through there. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, and that's what I think our defense has
Speaker 1: done really well. Right. We don't you know, I don't
Speaker 1: know everything that's going on the defensive side of the ball,
Speaker 1: but for the most part, they they don't do. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they don't overcomplicate that. You know, they have certain checks
Speaker 1: for certain things. They have a couple of checks throughout
Speaker 1: the game, and you know, they make players on the
Speaker 1: ball and they play, you know, as we've seen all season,
Speaker 1: super fast and they come down and hit people. And
Speaker 1: I think that's you know, the same as Buffalo. You know,
Speaker 1: they're not gonna over over complicate things. They're gonna be
Speaker 1: in their spots. They're gonna you know, take the chances
Speaker 1: when they get the opportunity to take a chance, and
Speaker 1: you know it's on us to make the big play
Speaker 1: and not make to make the mistakes. Like you know
Speaker 1: in the New England game, right, that's kind of a
Speaker 1: team that has mirages and you know they wait for
Speaker 1: you to make the mistakes that they can win. Um,
Speaker 1: So it's a little different game and that aspect of things.
Speaker 1: I mean You're part of a young group, but you're
Speaker 1: you've been you have probably more experience than a lot
Speaker 1: of the guys um in the system. You think about
Speaker 1: Garret Wilson, you think about lies are more think about
Speaker 1: Zach Wilson. These are young players that are just cutting
Speaker 1: their teeth in this league. You know, what are you
Speaker 1: saying to them? Are you know what's the conversations about,
Speaker 1: because you know, when you get to the middle of
Speaker 1: the season, the body starts to make a little bit
Speaker 1: more especially for these rookies who this is the longest
Speaker 1: year of your career, right you're coming from playing college.
Speaker 1: Combine that whole draft process, rookie camps. What are you
Speaker 1: trying to do the kind of guide because you need
Speaker 1: these young guys kind of to skip past the rookie wall.
Speaker 1: The rookie wall hates to everybody. Yeah, it's still weird
Speaker 1: for me that I'm I'm a older guy, guess in
Speaker 1: this league being at your five with how younger with
Speaker 1: team this is. But uh, you know, I think it's
Speaker 1: really just checking out them, making sure you know they're
Speaker 1: doing the right thing, trying to be Obviously, you can't
Speaker 1: make anybody do anything they're not They don't want to do,
Speaker 1: but you know, just be that you know that vet
Speaker 1: that they can lean on and and uh you know,
Speaker 1: ask for advice what they need to do to take
Speaker 1: care of their body or so my rookie is a
Speaker 1: lot different. I'm not. I wasn't in a spot that
Speaker 1: a lot of these guys are in where they're playing
Speaker 1: of the snaps and being contributors like they are. Uh.
Speaker 1: I was in a little different situation. And last year
Speaker 1: was really my first year starting and you know, as
Speaker 1: a as a starter, and you know, playing a full
Speaker 1: season and playing every snap, and my big thing going
Speaker 1: into it was, Okay, how am I gonna take care
Speaker 1: of my body? What is my routine that's gonna allow
Speaker 1: me to make it through a seventeen game season? And
Speaker 1: uh I just had to go through that in year four.
Speaker 1: So I think, you know, it's fresh out of my
Speaker 1: mind and I think, you know, um, it makes that
Speaker 1: it makes it easy for me to kind of talk
Speaker 1: to them, and you know, just really the importance of
Speaker 1: having a routine. I think routine is everything, especially in
Speaker 1: this league. So the earlier earlier you can build that routine,
Speaker 1: I think the more successful you're gonna be. As a player. Yeah,
Speaker 1: no doubt about that. You were playing with your hair
Speaker 1: on fire against Patriots. We're seeking out the contact because
Speaker 1: you weren't just catching the ball on Sunday. You were
Speaker 1: looking to get up field and whoever was in your
Speaker 1: way watch out. You know. I think it's uh, you know,
Speaker 1: you just here, You're here to talk about it all week.
Speaker 1: I was just excited to become part of become part
Speaker 1: of the rivalry, right. Um, and that I hate for
Speaker 1: the Patriots built really really quickly throughout that game. But uh,
Speaker 1: and it always feels good and you can you can
Speaker 1: touch the rock early in the game and make a play,
Speaker 1: and um, you know, I just trying to kind of
Speaker 1: build on you know, that first third down conversion and uh,
Speaker 1: make sure we could have energy. So obviously things the
Speaker 1: playing out how we wanted, but you know, I think
Speaker 1: it's a step in the right direction. Zach Wilson three interceptions.
Speaker 1: He was definitely not happy after the game. What kind
Speaker 1: of spotlight is the quarterback in here in New York
Speaker 1: compared to where the place you just came from, Minnesota,
Speaker 1: Like let's say cousin stros forgn Or in the game,
Speaker 1: what does he face compared to maybe what a Wilson
Speaker 1: does here. The media here is definitely a lot different,
Speaker 1: and the fans are a little different. You know. Um
Speaker 1: you said we talked earlier. It's been you know, a
Speaker 1: long road of not a lot of winning, and uh,
Speaker 1: you know, they want to see wins, and uh so
Speaker 1: they're harsh. You know. You see in the stadium sometimes
Speaker 1: we go from having so much energy in the stands
Speaker 1: the stuff going wrong, and it gets really quiet, really fast,
Speaker 1: and uh, you know, it's the similarity between is Kirk
Speaker 1: is getting paid a lot of money right now. Right
Speaker 1: so when Kirk struggling in a game, he caught a
Speaker 1: lot of heat for it because you know how much
Speaker 1: he was getting paid, and you know, the roster we
Speaker 1: had in Minnesota and the expectations for us to win there,
Speaker 1: and uh, you know here in New York, just the
Speaker 1: spotlight that he has. Um, I don't know if it's
Speaker 1: a spott I would want to want to deal with.
Speaker 1: But I talked to me after the game. Actually, I'm like, man,
Speaker 1: don't listen to it. I mean, it's hard not to.
Speaker 1: We all have bad games, we all have good games,
Speaker 1: and you know that's kind of the beauty of the sport.
Speaker 1: You know, he's kind of gotta stick together. And I
Speaker 1: think people going people really went and watched his game. Obvious,
Speaker 1: you see some picks that are not not good, right,
Speaker 1: and he knows that. He looked at those players like
Speaker 1: what the hell was I doing? Right? Um, but you're
Speaker 1: also going to see a lot of players where he
Speaker 1: played really well. It's just those bad plays kind of
Speaker 1: overshadow the good that happened throughout it. So, um, I
Speaker 1: think it was, you know, a good growing process at
Speaker 1: some point. You know, he just learned a lesson that
Speaker 1: you know, a mobile, I can get out of the pocket,
Speaker 1: I can create stuff, but I can't. I can't do that.
Speaker 1: You know, I gotta throw the ball away. I don't
Speaker 1: need to throw the ball away. I can't make it close.
Speaker 1: You know, I got sometimes you gotta eat it. You know,
Speaker 1: you take a negative player, you know whatnot. So I
Speaker 1: think it just something all young players go through. I
Speaker 1: think people forget how young he is at times. And
Speaker 1: you know, you don't want to sit here and make excuses,
Speaker 1: but you know, there are good things that happened in
Speaker 1: that game. It's just some of those bad things really
Speaker 1: overshadowed it. Yeah, just because you could, don't mean you should.
Speaker 1: And you know, understand, I had a young Mark Senchez
Speaker 1: and we had a already made defense, champion defense, a
Speaker 1: great offensive line, the best running game in the business.
Speaker 1: And you know, really what you have to what he
Speaker 1: has to realize. And the toughest part about, you know,
Speaker 1: trying to help a young player mature um is letting
Speaker 1: him know that you can depend on us, Like understand
Speaker 1: that if you punt the ball, that's a good thing
Speaker 1: because we're gonna flip the field because we're gonna get listen,
Speaker 1: go over there, get your gatorade. You're gonna have three players.
Speaker 1: You're gonna be right back out here. You're gonna be
Speaker 1: an a better position you were when you before you
Speaker 1: punted the ball because we're gonna flip the field and
Speaker 1: we're gonna get them three and out and you know,
Speaker 1: we may get the interception to give you the ball back.
Speaker 1: So that's the hardest part, you know, when you have
Speaker 1: a young guy that's trying to extend plays, he has
Speaker 1: to realize and understand that when you retreat back. That's
Speaker 1: one of the biggest issues that he has. You know,
Speaker 1: just me being an analyst and watching him play. You
Speaker 1: can't retreat back because that's where your line is blocking people.
Speaker 1: So it makes them it makes the feel strength and narrow.
Speaker 1: You know, you have to step up and what mac
Speaker 1: Jones are doing. If he saw a cover one, he
Speaker 1: just took off. So I mean it's a part of maturing.
Speaker 1: And we have a young quarterback. It can be frustrating
Speaker 1: because they'll have games where they played very well then
Speaker 1: games where they just try and do too much. And
Speaker 1: understand that you can win ugly in this game. Most
Speaker 1: most people in this league win ugly. Like it's ugly
Speaker 1: game seventeen to sixteen nineteen. You don't have to air
Speaker 1: it out. It's not it's not about that because at
Speaker 1: the end of the day, if you win, everybody eats.
Speaker 1: So it's just him having an understanding that money is
Speaker 1: a good thing if you really believe in this defense
Speaker 1: and believe in us as a team, and you have
Speaker 1: to blend the line between offense and defense and say
Speaker 1: we're one and we have to play as if we're one,
Speaker 1: and understand give me some time to get some TV
Speaker 1: time and I'll give you the ball right back. I
Speaker 1: put the light right back on you, so I don't
Speaker 1: know how you get that communicated to him. But I
Speaker 1: had that same experience with a young Mark Sanchez. We
Speaker 1: had a time and I'm just trying to explain to
Speaker 1: you the history, uh this this of the Jets. We
Speaker 1: had the same issue with Mark where we had to
Speaker 1: give him red light green lights, where he had to
Speaker 1: like he had to throw the ball, he couldn't change
Speaker 1: the play, and you know, it was just part of it.
Speaker 1: And we made him better and we went to two
Speaker 1: ANFC championships back to back, knocked out Tom Brady, knocked
Speaker 1: out Peyton Manny, knocked out Philip Rivers, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean. So that's the hardest part in trying to
Speaker 1: get him to understand that because you guys have an
Speaker 1: opportunity in a wide open a f C where anything
Speaker 1: can happen. You get in the tournament, anything can happen.
Speaker 1: It's no dominant team, it's no big bad wolf, right
Speaker 1: There's no guy that's been making great plays all the time, Raidy,
Speaker 1: There's nobody that at that level right now. But Patrick Mahomes. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And that's actually I mean, you hit two things that
Speaker 1: we kind of talked about. Because I was talking to
Speaker 1: Zact today and he you know, he watched the Bills
Speaker 1: game yesterday and he's talking about how the difference between
Speaker 1: how him and Josh Allen scramble right like you were saying,
Speaker 1: he's retreating, making it feel more narrow, um, throwing off
Speaker 1: his back foot, and like he watched the game yesterday
Speaker 1: and a lot of times when Josh Allen's you know, scrambling,
Speaker 1: he's attacking the line of scrimmage, and then he's you know,
Speaker 1: staying behind the line of scrimmage and and making a
Speaker 1: throw or is attacking the line of scrimage with them.
Speaker 1: He does decide to run, you know, he can make
Speaker 1: a make a big play. And that's actually something me
Speaker 1: and Zach talked about this morning was just um, you know,
Speaker 1: the difference in in the way that they've been they
Speaker 1: both scrambled, and you know, something that he wants to
Speaker 1: improve on and work on. And I talked to MC
Speaker 1: this morning about just this d our defense here. You
Speaker 1: know how much we believe in them, and every time
Speaker 1: they go on the field, you expect to get the
Speaker 1: ball back, you expect to turnover, you expect them to
Speaker 1: slip the field and uh, you know, it's a it's
Speaker 1: a comfort and feeling knowing that. And uh, I mean,
Speaker 1: you know you made a great point about the punts. Okay,
Speaker 1: and we didn't say we didn't think about it like
Speaker 1: that exactly, but uh, you know, a punch a good thing.
Speaker 1: We'll get the ball back with better faild position. But
Speaker 1: it is something that we we talked about this morning,
Speaker 1: like we trust this defense. We know this defense is
Speaker 1: gonna either make them punt or get a turnover. And uh,
Speaker 1: you know, it's just it's funny both the things you
Speaker 1: just mentioned. There's things I talked to Zach and MC
Speaker 1: about today. So let me ask you, this are the
Speaker 1: good words of wisdom from the bad packer who's you know,
Speaker 1: I went to a couple of FC championship games. Here.
Speaker 1: You mentioned Josh Allen to that you played with him
Speaker 1: at the Senior Bowl. Could you have predicted the success
Speaker 1: he's had in the NFL so far? Did you know,
Speaker 1: like during that week of practice. Obviously you're getting ready
Speaker 1: for the draft yourself before you're taking in the fifth
Speaker 1: round by the fightings, But wow, this this dude has
Speaker 1: become like Salo would say, a freaka zoin. Yeah. So
Speaker 1: I actually we played Josh. We played Wyoming in in
Speaker 1: a bowl out of a Potato Bowl, Central Michigan first Wyoming,
Speaker 1: and going into that game, We're like, man, whatever, we're
Speaker 1: gonna kill him, blah blah blah. Uh he ain't that good.
Speaker 1: And we came out there and got smoked. I think
Speaker 1: we lost like seven or something. We had a ton
Speaker 1: of turnovers on offense. But you know, he, uh, you know,
Speaker 1: he shredded us that game. So you know, I went
Speaker 1: from playing them in a bowl game and watching him,
Speaker 1: you know, make us look really bad, going and playing
Speaker 1: the Senior Bowl with him, and uh, obviously I don't
Speaker 1: think you can never really just sit there and predict,
Speaker 1: you know, who's gonna become what, right, because people, if
Speaker 1: we could do that, you know that the draft would
Speaker 1: be a lot less you know interesting, if we could
Speaker 1: just predict who's gonna become what. But uh, you know, he,
Speaker 1: you know, he's kind of showed it. And I was
Speaker 1: just I guess, proving people, um, you know, proving people
Speaker 1: right or wrong? How do you want to look at it?
Speaker 1: But he's obviously the help of a player, so you
Speaker 1: kind of touch what you're thinking. He already caught a
Speaker 1: touchdown from him, But we'll passed out out of the
Speaker 1: background for fullback. But uh yeah, I mean he I
Speaker 1: mean he has a cannon. And you know, the knock
Speaker 1: on him was he wasn't accurate. I mean other than
Speaker 1: what I would tell people he was throwing the ball
Speaker 1: in Wyoming, like, consider to consider the elements, right, consider
Speaker 1: the elements, and also to consider who he was going to.
Speaker 1: But you gotta give josh and a ton of credit
Speaker 1: because when he first came in his league, he couldn't
Speaker 1: hit the ocean if he was in a boat, right,
Speaker 1: But he really changed his mechanics and stands his delivery,
Speaker 1: became a much more accurate quarterback. I know, you're much
Speaker 1: more accurate when you trade for Stefan dis but a
Speaker 1: ton of credit goes to him for improving his game.
Speaker 1: And you know, those are those are the tales of
Speaker 1: you know what, what's what's built last longer than was born? Right,
Speaker 1: he was born some natural tools, but he built itself
Speaker 1: to become an accurate quarterback. He stopped turning the ball over, fumbling,
Speaker 1: putting his team at risk. And um, you know that
Speaker 1: that's a that's a cautionary tale to you know, that's
Speaker 1: not a coustionary tell, but to tell to Zack that Listen,
Speaker 1: we expect quarterbacks to be finished products, you know, in
Speaker 1: their second year. It doesn't work that way for every
Speaker 1: Joe Burrow, you know, it's it's a Jalen Hurts that
Speaker 1: takes a while to kind of develop and get it.
Speaker 1: And you just gotta understand that, you know, in this
Speaker 1: league is all about plugging up the holes that you
Speaker 1: have in your game. So we all come to the
Speaker 1: league with a lot of holes. So those who are
Speaker 1: arrogant and think that hey, I'm just gonna keep being
Speaker 1: fast and athletic not only lasts for so long because
Speaker 1: at some point are all our bodies started to slow
Speaker 1: down and we have to adjust our game and win
Speaker 1: more with our mind than it is our natural born ability.
Speaker 1: So I get that from Nara Hopkins all the time.
Speaker 1: What's built last longer than what's born. And he's a
Speaker 1: perfect example of that. Because Roy Jones was born to
Speaker 1: be great. He built itself to be great. And when
Speaker 1: you look at Bernard Hopkins and what he was able
Speaker 1: to do over the course of his career, you would
Speaker 1: say his career was as good or not better than
Speaker 1: Roy Jones. But Roy Jones had all the natural skills
Speaker 1: Tom Brady is another example of that as well. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean that hits hold with me because my roads
Speaker 1: actually been you know, obviously a lot different than a
Speaker 1: lot of people's, um, you know, from basketball to football
Speaker 1: to the fifth round pick and walk on and all
Speaker 1: the non all that stuff. So um, you know, I
Speaker 1: like that saying that's something that definitely kind of hits
Speaker 1: on with me. And as I keep trying to you know,
Speaker 1: develop will come better. So bart here talking about the
Speaker 1: execution or Bertnard Hopkins one of the greatest, one of
Speaker 1: the greatest boxers ever. Uh, I wanted to ask you
Speaker 1: about the basketball background in terms you're route running. How
Speaker 1: much does that help you? Because you got more wiggle
Speaker 1: and you get separation at the top of your routes
Speaker 1: And typically we speak in terms that way when we're
Speaker 1: when we're talking about the receiver, but you can get
Speaker 1: some things happening at the top of your route. How
Speaker 1: much does that basketball background help you? Yeah, I think
Speaker 1: I think it helps. I think basketball for me really
Speaker 1: has helped with going up in high point the ball
Speaker 1: and body control and things like that. And really for
Speaker 1: me is uh, I've always took proud of my route
Speaker 1: running and you know, working on it and going to
Speaker 1: seeing receiver coaches and whatnot, and really trying to um
Speaker 1: have a different toolbox than most tight ends have when
Speaker 1: it comes to you know, releases and on top of
Speaker 1: the routes, and you know, I'm just I was really
Speaker 1: excited coming here and coming into this offense and some
Speaker 1: of the freedom we have in the rout tree and
Speaker 1: some of the routes that we do run as a
Speaker 1: tight end. Uh. You know, I've been excited to get
Speaker 1: the opportunity to go out there and show it in
Speaker 1: the game and do those things. So how about that? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'll go ahead. I love this. I love to see them,
Speaker 1: you know, split you out just a tad figure running
Speaker 1: banana routes because these linebackers are so stupid. They'll follow
Speaker 1: you and get out outside and just throw it on
Speaker 1: the hatch and just banana in between the numbers. And
Speaker 1: they're so short. You just musselm all day. Especially against
Speaker 1: teams like the Buffalo Bills is gonna have like two
Speaker 1: high guys. You know, you can get under that and
Speaker 1: go ahead and Boston, you know what I mean. Always
Speaker 1: I'm like, hey, we go out there, run and go
Speaker 1: rout in the linebacker comes out there just just alerted
Speaker 1: for me. You know, just just think, just think about it.
Speaker 1: If you see if you see a backround following me
Speaker 1: out there, or you know, a safety or whatnot. But
Speaker 1: because I feel comfortable out there, is it's a place
Speaker 1: I feel comfortable. You know, my year, you're always basically
Speaker 1: playing X. I was backside, um, you know, running glances
Speaker 1: in phase and whatnot all season. So it's definitely a
Speaker 1: place I feel comfortable. Break it down for us. Now,
Speaker 1: I got in the league when you had like the
Speaker 1: evolution of the tight end, right like Kevin kelln Kelen
Speaker 1: Winslow Jr. Of course I've been playing against Gates since
Speaker 1: we were in high school in Detroit. Yeah yeah, yeah, absolutely, yeah, son.
Speaker 1: It was roommates and he went to mis Stay. That's
Speaker 1: a long story. We'll have enough time enough tape in
Speaker 1: this in is real to cover how I ended up
Speaker 1: in sol Illinois. But when when when when you think
Speaker 1: about like the evolution of the tight end, when you
Speaker 1: were trying to make that transition from being a guy
Speaker 1: that's you know, Bronk and Kindles probably are the the
Speaker 1: spokesman for like the guys who can really set the
Speaker 1: edge and be able to control defensive ends. And then
Speaker 1: you look at guys like Pits. That's like the other
Speaker 1: end of the spectrum. Who are you, What are you
Speaker 1: trying to add to your game? And who did you
Speaker 1: look up to by kind of growing up as you
Speaker 1: were trying to develop from a basketball player to a
Speaker 1: football player, then also trying to not be tight casts
Speaker 1: as a guy that's in the box, you know, blocking
Speaker 1: all the time. Yeah, I mean there's a lot of
Speaker 1: things that kind of So Antonio Gates is someone that
Speaker 1: I really you know, having a basketball background. Michigan guy,
Speaker 1: Um obviously one of the greatest tight ends ever played
Speaker 1: the game is someone I watched um. And then when
Speaker 1: I first decided to switch over the football, I was
Speaker 1: watching the Michigan State football game. The tight end at
Speaker 1: the time was Josiah Price, and uh, you know, he
Speaker 1: was having a good year catching stick nois for touchdowns
Speaker 1: over the place and way man, I can do that,
Speaker 1: you know, Um. And that was the day I was
Speaker 1: at Buffalo while Wings watching it. That was that was
Speaker 1: the day I kind of decided to stop playing basketball
Speaker 1: and switch over. And then weirdly, Josiah Price ended up
Speaker 1: be in Minnesota when I got there and uh, you
Speaker 1: know that was just um. Once I kind of gone
Speaker 1: into the you know, the pre draft stuff and whatnot,
Speaker 1: it was, oh, he was split out all year, he
Speaker 1: can't block, he can't do this. And my whole thing was,
Speaker 1: you know, I'm gonna prove him wrong. Right, So I
Speaker 1: went to the senior boy, I was like two hundred,
Speaker 1: ended up being up like two pounds, like, I'm gon
Speaker 1: show him I can block, Like I know I could
Speaker 1: run route. I'm gonna sho him I can block. So
Speaker 1: it was probably a little heavier and whatnot that I
Speaker 1: should have been, But you know, I wanted to prove
Speaker 1: him wrong in that aspect of things because I just
Speaker 1: think the beauty of tight end is you gotta do everything.
Speaker 1: You gotta be able to play in pass pro. You
Speaker 1: gotta build. It's like a back, right. I didn't want
Speaker 1: to be a a guy I can only play on
Speaker 1: third down. I want to be a guy that can
Speaker 1: be in there on first down, second down. I want
Speaker 1: to be able to beat man coverage on third down. Um.
Speaker 1: So I always wanted to be the all around tight end.
Speaker 1: I didn't want to be the guy that was just
Speaker 1: a receiver guy or a block and guy, and uh,
Speaker 1: that's just something I've kind of always prided myself on
Speaker 1: and something I'm still trying to get better every day.
Speaker 1: And Coach Mid's helped me a ton in the run
Speaker 1: game since I've been here, just with you know, aiming
Speaker 1: points and hand placement and in my footwork. So, um,
Speaker 1: you know, I think the run game is something I
Speaker 1: want to keep getting better at. Uh. He's helped me
Speaker 1: a ton of pass par already with just having better
Speaker 1: sets and um, you know, different tricks with my punches
Speaker 1: and whatnot, and uh then have an opera to me
Speaker 1: to go out there and show it. I work on
Speaker 1: you know, in the offseason probably more than anything with
Speaker 1: my route running and releases and things of that nature.
Speaker 1: So I'm just excited to keep getting better every single
Speaker 1: every single game as all around tight end? How want
Speaker 1: you quick quick tip? Quick tip from a linebacker that
Speaker 1: knows like how tight ends can cheat. Don't push him
Speaker 1: away from you, pull them to you and just put
Speaker 1: them chest to chest. You'll never get caught for holding
Speaker 1: if you grab him and pull them close to you.
Speaker 1: If you don't need to stand your arms, you grab
Speaker 1: them underneath their underneath their path chest to chest. You'll
Speaker 1: never get it. They can't make a tackle and and
Speaker 1: then you'll never get called for hold and then just
Speaker 1: get mad. Yeah, we had a guy. We had a guy,
Speaker 1: a Mully Mulligan junior whopper hands, and he would hold
Speaker 1: the hell out of you. You never get the call. Yep, Middleton,
Speaker 1: you messaged him before. Cool dude, how much you enjoy
Speaker 1: working with that guy? So I love it. Uh, you
Speaker 1: know a room. We got a great room between you know,
Speaker 1: c J, myself, Ruck Kenny. Uh, you know obviously whoever
Speaker 1: talked to c J. You know CJ is just outgoing
Speaker 1: and uh, you know, a goofball and then coach mid.
Speaker 1: I mean the one liners that he has are unbelievable.
Speaker 1: I mean, oh, it's something answers. The way he says it,
Speaker 1: you know, the way he says things, you know, his
Speaker 1: one liners, like the stuff that comes out of his
Speaker 1: mouth is just hilarious. And he's played the game for
Speaker 1: you know, he played tenure career, so he understands it.
Speaker 1: He understands the tough situations we get put in. He
Speaker 1: understands um, you know, tricks and things to help us
Speaker 1: to win in those situations. And he understands when you're
Speaker 1: in a tough situation, you don't necessarily get it done
Speaker 1: to you know, Um, he gets it and he uh
Speaker 1: you know, it's it's it's nice to to be coached
Speaker 1: by a coach that you know has played the game,
Speaker 1: understands the game the way he does and uh, you know,
Speaker 1: like I said earlier, he's really helped me develop in
Speaker 1: a short period of time since I've been here. I
Speaker 1: want you paying attention to what's going on in Minnesota.
Speaker 1: So you leave Minnesota, they're like six and one. You're
Speaker 1: here with your new team doing great things. Five and three.
Speaker 1: Obviously you wish you were six and two, but uh,
Speaker 1: Minnesota multi game lead in the NFC North. Through would
Speaker 1: have thought, yeah, you know, they've had the talent there
Speaker 1: for you know, long since I've been there. You know,
Speaker 1: since I got there in my rookie year. They had
Speaker 1: this roster that was not thinking. This league, you have
Speaker 1: a you have a window right of when you have
Speaker 1: young guys that aren't campaign you have guys that you're paying,
Speaker 1: you have this window to go make a Super Bowl run.
Speaker 1: And they've done a good job of somehow extending that
Speaker 1: that roster and giving them a chance to be what
Speaker 1: they are right now, and then you know they got
Speaker 1: a heck of a team. You know, Kirk I think
Speaker 1: is one of the most hated on quarterbacks. I think
Speaker 1: he's he's a heck of a quarterback. His accuracy and um,
Speaker 1: you know, he's just he's like I texted him today
Speaker 1: because his touchdown run, I'm like, you hit to know
Speaker 1: it was the GPS? Was you hit twenty miles per hour?
Speaker 1: You know? Then you got Justin out there, who um,
Speaker 1: you know, with one of a kind, with what he's
Speaker 1: done so far in his career. And you know, I'm
Speaker 1: happy for him. And I got I got a good
Speaker 1: team and winning games and uh, you know Green Bay
Speaker 1: struggling a little bit, Chicago and Detroit, so you know,
Speaker 1: good for them. I'm happy for him. Have you thought
Speaker 1: about what it's gonna be like when you go back there?
Speaker 1: So I can't wait talking about I want to go
Speaker 1: bonkers that day. You know, I'm excited to go back
Speaker 1: to the U. S. Bank. You know, I was there
Speaker 1: for four years. Me and uh, you know, my fiance
Speaker 1: we learned to love Minnesota, so we're excited to get back.
Speaker 1: But uh, you know, we're enjoying the hell out of this,
Speaker 1: you know, new experience out here, so part should be
Speaker 1: on there guys getting married. I was there for the
Speaker 1: Super Bowl. Man, I almost lost. I thought, I don't
Speaker 1: have to appltate my fingers are damn cold. It was, Yeah, no,
Speaker 1: it's it is. It is pretty damn coold, especially go
Speaker 1: outside about January. You breathe, it just hits you in
Speaker 1: the lungs, start coughing and ship you know. I I mean,
Speaker 1: I don't mind the cold though. You guys are Minnesota
Speaker 1: is different. Minnesota is different. But no, it is different.
Speaker 1: It's it's different. It is different. It's a lot different
Speaker 1: to Michigan. It's warmer here than there's in Michigan. Yes,
Speaker 1: no doubt. What's the day of the wedding April twelve.
Speaker 1: I had nothing to do with the wedding. We're staying
Speaker 1: out of it completely. Tell him like, I'll be there.
Speaker 1: If you got a real question, I gotta answer. I'll answer,
Speaker 1: but she'll ask me. I'll answer and she won't even listen. Anyway,
Speaker 1: where's it gonna be. She don't care if you take
Speaker 1: the cake. I don't care if we don't even need
Speaker 1: a cake. You know, whatever, I just told you. Whatever
Speaker 1: we're having a kaba. Okay, it's gonna be destination wedding,
Speaker 1: a little smaller family and close friends and uh, it
Speaker 1: would be cool. I'm excited about it. That's awesome. Little
Speaker 1: zip lining. I'll be there. If you go opposite San Juan,
Speaker 1: they have a they have a hotel where it's carved
Speaker 1: out of the volcanic ash. So like you go there,
Speaker 1: you got like two cans that come up until you
Speaker 1: it's no elevator, but your your your room is off
Speaker 1: the mountain. That's can carve. That's dope. And what's it called.
Speaker 1: Let me ask my wife. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I get
Speaker 1: you gotta get get back to me about that one. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I got it, I got it. I got it's right
Speaker 1: up there. It's cool because they have the waterfall. They
Speaker 1: have the active volcano, so like they got the live
Speaker 1: springs with the sulfur. You do rock climb, you go ziplining,
Speaker 1: and but that's that's only when you go to Cobbo.
Speaker 1: You go to San Juan and you go to the
Speaker 1: other part with the rainforest. Yeah. Someone asked me. Someone
Speaker 1: asked me today, and I'm like, I don't know what
Speaker 1: sound I'm going to, Like you said, I'll be there.
Speaker 1: I'm I'm gonna so I'll be standing up there. But
Speaker 1: she's she's handling it. Also, I'm excited. We're excited, we're
Speaker 1: excited for you. How many tattoos you got a lot? Um,
Speaker 1: you don't know. You don't have the cover about a
Speaker 1: hundred and fifty hours it all bless together. No, I
Speaker 1: mean there's not. I mean I' about to say that's
Speaker 1: all one at this point. Uh, probably my right leg
Speaker 1: or my back, my right legs, all stuff from back home. So, um,
Speaker 1: I don't know, like if you're ever driving down ninety four,
Speaker 1: there's like a Gibraltar trade center, it like it was
Speaker 1: like a that's mad. It's like it was a big
Speaker 1: dude that side. So when I was driving home as
Speaker 1: a kid, you uh, you knew you were close to
Speaker 1: them when you got by that. So I got him
Speaker 1: tattooed on the back of my leg. Um, there's like
Speaker 1: an old motel kind of where I grew up that
Speaker 1: they tore down a couple of years ago. I got
Speaker 1: that tattooed. Uh So just like all different stuff. Um,
Speaker 1: you know from my childhood, my little league football team,
Speaker 1: you know, three on three gust Macker trophy takes playing
Speaker 1: gush I was playing gush Mackers ever every every year
Speaker 1: as a kid, especially one in Luddington. Uh, you put,
Speaker 1: you put the silver Dome, I was saying, I was
Speaker 1: telling me the other day. I used to play in
Speaker 1: the Silver Dome and I played for the Clams Barcouters
Speaker 1: back when I was a kid, So we star always
Speaker 1: playing the Silver Dome. I had a little new balances
Speaker 1: on because I ain't know turf shoes looking terrible, cowboy
Speaker 1: cowboy collar. Get the fis, get the fists, get the
Speaker 1: Joe Louis fish. I gotta I gotta figure out with us.
Speaker 1: I gotta do. I took a little breaks. I don't
Speaker 1: got much space left. I only got about stomach in
Speaker 1: my ribs, So I gotta I'm trying to hold off
Speaker 1: a little bit. Yea. That for the kids. That's that's
Speaker 1: when my that's what my lady keeps telling me. So
Speaker 1: you gotta say room for the kids. That's true. You so,
Speaker 1: hey man, we enjoyed it. Continue success. Uh you know,
Speaker 1: hopefully you guys start a new winning street this week
Speaker 1: against the Bills. But again, uh, as far as tight
Speaker 1: ends the position is concerned here with the Jets hadn't
Speaker 1: had a lot of production there recently. If you look
Speaker 1: at your numbers, you're on pace for a very good year.
Speaker 1: And again, can't can't look at the number. Listen. I
Speaker 1: can say career highs. Yesterday two touchdowns I had to.
Speaker 1: I had two in the game before, so it ties
Speaker 1: the career okay, and then the five first downs. I
Speaker 1: don't know about that. I might say, I'll try. I'll
Speaker 1: trust you on that one. All right, Thanks brother, I
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Speaker 1: I think he is going to figure prominently in the
Speaker 1: Jets offense for the next nine games. Bottom line, they're
Speaker 1: gonna need him big time down the stretch. Absolutely. I
Speaker 1: mean because Tighten as a quarterback's best friend, because he's
Speaker 1: always friendly, he's right there in the line of sight,
Speaker 1: and he does a good job and using his big
Speaker 1: body to be able to shoot against defenders, and he's surehanded,
Speaker 1: you know. So I think you know that that relationship
Speaker 1: will continue to grow and it opened things up for
Speaker 1: everybody else. You mentioned it before, Buddy, Zack Wilson. What
Speaker 1: does he have to do? You talked about in terms
Speaker 1: of staying in the poet pocket, not dropping back, but
Speaker 1: immediately looking ahead to this game against the Buffalo Bills,
Speaker 1: because that's the defense that has been together for a
Speaker 1: long time, We'll have to find out about the status
Speaker 1: of Jordan's ployer. This long time safety there, Micah Hyde
Speaker 1: already out. But that builds defense. Uh, typically one of
Speaker 1: the best in the National Football League. Yeah, because their discipline,
Speaker 1: they have a rare luxury much like the Jets habit.
Speaker 1: They don't have to add more people to the rush
Speaker 1: to be able to affect the quarterback because they have
Speaker 1: guys that can win the one on ones. But you know,
Speaker 1: when you talk about you, you you damn sure can't
Speaker 1: fade away and explode yourself on the edges when you
Speaker 1: think about roosts, so and you think about Bond Miller
Speaker 1: on the outside in the best place to be a
Speaker 1: stepping up because they're only rushing four, you have five
Speaker 1: to six protectors or it creates natural scenes and lanes
Speaker 1: to throw through, but also to throw through. You gotta
Speaker 1: be decisive. You gotta move up in the pocket. You
Speaker 1: cannot drift back because you exposure. So you gotta be
Speaker 1: quick with the ball and understand that you're gonna have
Speaker 1: to hold the ball a little longer because they have
Speaker 1: seven in protection. But then it's gonna be opportunities for
Speaker 1: guys to sit in zone so when they are in
Speaker 1: one one zone and they can't get through, they may
Speaker 1: have to slide to another zone to get open. You
Speaker 1: gotta be patient. I'll big of a challenge is this
Speaker 1: for a young team who thought they let one get
Speaker 1: away against the Patriots? You know that are thinking Michael
Speaker 1: Carter the second scores, it's a two score game at halftime,
Speaker 1: and maybe possibly it's gonna be a runaway against the Patriots.
Speaker 1: What's around? Yeah? So if well, if anything, you gotta
Speaker 1: know that that you have to take advantage of those opportunities.
Speaker 1: You can't let them pass because those are the ones
Speaker 1: that you regret and you're asking yourself what if right,
Speaker 1: and you know you can't ask what if? You got
Speaker 1: to say this is what is? This is what we did,
Speaker 1: And they're gonna have to shoot themselves up because they're
Speaker 1: going against the best you know, football team and all
Speaker 1: the football that have doubled down and you know, who
Speaker 1: knows what they're gonna do before the trade that line.
Speaker 1: You know reports that they may be going for Alvin Kamar.
Speaker 1: Who knows Kareem Hunt available, But you know it's an
Speaker 1: arms race going on in a f C and in
Speaker 1: the NFL for teams that think they're close, and Buffalo
Speaker 1: think they're closer to any other team. How do you
Speaker 1: contain this Spell's offense. It's a prolific attack. Uh. On paper,
Speaker 1: I think the Jets defensive line should have some matchup
Speaker 1: advantages against the Bill's offensive line. But the counter on
Speaker 1: that for Buffalo is Alan so dynamic. He can get
Speaker 1: out of the pocket and he's strong too, so even
Speaker 1: if you get your hands on him sometimes it's really
Speaker 1: hard to bring him down. That's the issue, and that's
Speaker 1: why you gotta stay in your rush lanes because if
Speaker 1: you play man and man and turn your back, you'll
Speaker 1: take off. And he's so big that he can make
Speaker 1: guys miss in space, but he also can run through
Speaker 1: arm tackles. So that's the dilemma. Do you spy and
Speaker 1: what do you do with them? And you're gonna ask
Speaker 1: your your corners to do a lot, you know, And
Speaker 1: and he's gonna take some shots and he trust, you know,
Speaker 1: gave David's and he trust um Stefan digs and he'll
Speaker 1: put the ball up. So guy's gonna have the high
Speaker 1: point the ball. But it's gonna be essential again for
Speaker 1: these corners to be able to match up man to
Speaker 1: man because you're gonna have to have seven guys in
Speaker 1: coverage to be able to have all eyes on him,
Speaker 1: so he doesn't make you look foolish by running one
Speaker 1: of these forty five yard copper runs. We saw Matt
Speaker 1: Jones early on, You saw Joe Burrow early on, You
Speaker 1: saw Jakoby Brissett. You know, you know, really hurt. Josh
Speaker 1: Aland is more talent than all those um with his
Speaker 1: arm and with his legs. How do you think that
Speaker 1: Jets should match up with those receivers? The cornerbacks have
Speaker 1: been playing great this year and Sauce Gardner DJ Reid. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but all it takes is one, you know, so you
Speaker 1: still want to mix it up. You still want to
Speaker 1: play some formers on some man. You want to try
Speaker 1: and brack them at times if you feel like you
Speaker 1: have a good grasp on being able to stop them
Speaker 1: with a light box, then you you know say, okay,
Speaker 1: well maybe uh you know, stop with the light box.
Speaker 1: And this time we're gonna double gay. This is time
Speaker 1: we're gonna double stuff one. This time we're gonna double
Speaker 1: knocks um. Because when you look at you know, really
Speaker 1: what the Jets really struggle with was you know, Stevenson
Speaker 1: coming out of the backfield and being able to isolate
Speaker 1: you know some of these linebackers and you know catch
Speaker 1: a ball, so who knows they're trying and use Devin
Speaker 1: Singletary or cook that way. You know, you put it
Speaker 1: on tape, You're gonna have to defend it until you
Speaker 1: show that you can stop it and offensively. We talked
Speaker 1: specifically about Zach, but what's the key for the entire
Speaker 1: unit that is still undergoing a transition here? You mentioned
Speaker 1: it with Tyler Listen. Uh, we'll have to see about
Speaker 1: the status of Corey Davis. But Elijah vera talker, Breese Hall,
Speaker 1: they're not running back. They have to run the football
Speaker 1: like they're trying to. They're trying to stop you and
Speaker 1: nickel like they their base defense is nickel, and you
Speaker 1: have to make them pay for being in nickel. You
Speaker 1: have to get up to the second level. You gotta
Speaker 1: block come up, block gap scheme, you gotta get vertical.
Speaker 1: You gotta make them see if they can continue to
Speaker 1: attack you with your running backs coming down hire great
Speaker 1: opportunity ahead, right though, I mean, you're testing you're testing
Speaker 1: yourself against the best. Yeah, you should go out there
Speaker 1: and you have nothing to lose. You're expected to lose
Speaker 1: this game. You should go out there free and play
Speaker 1: your best football and take chances. What else do you
Speaker 1: have to lose. You have nothing to lose, nothing to lose.
Speaker 1: All right, part Scott, We'll see you next week, brother,