Speaker 1: Welcome to Good Game with Sarah Spain, where our attention
Speaker 1: is being stolen away from women's sports by the trophy
Speaker 1: for the Pop Tart Bowl. It's an actual functioning toaster, y'all.
Speaker 1: I don't care about the game. I don't care about
Speaker 1: the teams. I do care about the toaster trophy and
Speaker 1: that sexy ass Pop Tart mascot. It's Tuesday, December seventeenth,
Speaker 1: and if you think me lusting after a Pop Tart
Speaker 1: mascot is unhinged. Buckle up for today's show because we
Speaker 1: got a hilarious and occasionally off the rails group chat
Speaker 1: with actor and podcast host er Fight Master and comedy
Speaker 1: writer and stand up Aaron Foley. Plus the BWHL is back,
Speaker 1: the WNBA is going international kind of, and a tip
Speaker 1: for all those links you click but haven't gotten to yet,
Speaker 1: it's all coming up right after this welcome back. Here's
Speaker 1: what you need to know today. The WNBA announced on
Speaker 1: Monday that the league's first ever international regular season game
Speaker 1: will be played next season between the Atlanta Dream and
Speaker 1: Seattle Storm in Vancouver, British Columbia. Rogers Arena will host
Speaker 1: the two teams for a game on August fifteenth, and
Speaker 1: while it's technically international, it'll still be Seattle's closest away
Speaker 1: game of the season. Vancouver's just over one hundred miles
Speaker 1: north of Climate Pledge Arena in Seattle. In college hoops,
Speaker 1: we've got some movement in the AP rankings following a
Speaker 1: couple big matchups last week. Ucla is still locked in
Speaker 1: at the number one spot, but notre Name climbed five
Speaker 1: spots to number three thanks to their win over Yukon.
Speaker 1: And speaking of Yukon, in the Huskies face another tough
Speaker 1: opponent tonight in Iowa State. Iowa State just fell out
Speaker 1: of the top twenty five after losing to Iowa in
Speaker 1: the Iowa Corns Syhawk series, so you know the Cyclones
Speaker 1: will be looking to make the most out of playing
Speaker 1: another ranked opponent. By the way, I've said Syhawk multiple
Speaker 1: times and I just realized it's Cyclones plus Hawks Syhawk.
Speaker 1: Cool to three x three basketball, the team USA women
Speaker 1: won silver at the PHOEBA three x three AmeriCup in
Speaker 1: Porto Rico over the weekend after winning their group and
Speaker 1: defeating Chile and Puerto Rico in the quarterfinals and semifinals.
Speaker 1: The US team of Abby Sue Matty segrest Azare Stevens
Speaker 1: and Britney Sykes fell to Canada in the final nineteen eighteen.
Speaker 1: In overtime. Sykes was named the Al Tournament Team, while
Speaker 1: Canadian player Paige Crozen was named MVP. To Hockey, The
Speaker 1: PWHL is back in action tonight following a week long
Speaker 1: international break. The Boston Fleet hosts the Ottawa Charge tonight.
Speaker 1: We'll link to the full upcoming PWHL schedule in our
Speaker 1: show notes to Soccer Across the Pond. Prize money for
Speaker 1: the twenty twenty five Women's European Championship is set to
Speaker 1: double following a pledge from UEFA, the European soccer governing body.
Speaker 1: Now there's still a long way to go. The sixteen
Speaker 1: women's teams that compete next July in Switzerland will share
Speaker 1: a prize pool of forty one million euros that's about
Speaker 1: forty three million US dollars, while the men's championship has
Speaker 1: a total purse of three hundred thirty one million euros.
Speaker 1: So yeah, ways to go. The European Championship is held
Speaker 1: once every four years, and the last time the attorney
Speaker 1: was held it broke attendance record after attendance record, concluding
Speaker 1: with more than eighty seven thousand fans squishing into Wembley
Speaker 1: Stadium to watch England defeat Germany in extra time. Quick
Speaker 1: me a kolpa from yours truly. Last week we shouted
Speaker 1: out the books in our Good Game book Club, from
Speaker 1: interviews we've done with authors to books we've recommended when
Speaker 1: we've talked about different athletes and leagues and issues, and
Speaker 1: I forgot one. David Barry and Nefwalker came on the
Speaker 1: show in mid November for a great convo about their
Speaker 1: book Slaying the Trolls, Why the Trolls are very, very
Speaker 1: wrong about women and sports. It was a fantastic conversation
Speaker 1: and it's a fantastic book and such a great holiday
Speaker 1: present for anyone who cares about women's sports, understanding their
Speaker 1: potential and economic opportunity, their history, and why the future
Speaker 1: looks so bright. So my apology is to David Neff.
Speaker 1: But now I got your own little shout out, So
Speaker 1: all's forgiven by the book local bookstore. Please, We're going
Speaker 1: to take a quick break slices when we come back.
Speaker 1: Genderless Gap Ads, Ron Swanson and Low Bunny. It's time
Speaker 1: for group Chat with the hilarious Er and erin It's
Speaker 1: time for another edition of group Chat where we take
Speaker 1: the t from the text and we put it on
Speaker 1: the airwaves. Joining us. They're an actor known for work
Speaker 1: on Gray's Anatomy and Shrill, one of three co hosts
Speaker 1: of the hilarious podcast Jocular, and a musician. Last year,
Speaker 1: they released their debut EP Violence through their solo music
Speaker 1: project fight Master. They love to take a perve minute
Speaker 1: for a rock climber's hands. It's Er fight Master. What's up?
Speaker 2: Er?
Speaker 1: Wow?
Speaker 2: What an intro? Thank you so much.
Speaker 1: You're welcome. Joining Er. She's a comedy writer, stand up comedian,
Speaker 1: and the host of the hur Lights podcast. Her writing
Speaker 1: credits include two seasons of that ninety show, One Day
Speaker 1: at a Time, and the sb Award. She's a massive
Speaker 1: sportsman and she probably dated your ex girlfriend. It's Aaron Boley.
Speaker 3: Oh my god, nailed it, nailed it.
Speaker 1: If you remember Aaron's past appearance. We went to the
Speaker 1: bar at the WNBA All Star Game and connected with
Speaker 1: her snow sister snowballs. What's that called again?
Speaker 3: Oh god, I don't even know.
Speaker 1: Is that term for like when you both the same
Speaker 1: people snowball snowball sisters.
Speaker 3: I have so many snowballs sisters that I bet you
Speaker 3: do everywhere I go, just another snowball sister.
Speaker 1: Thanks for joining. How do you all know each other?
Speaker 1: Because Aaron, you helped wrangle er because I didn't have
Speaker 1: R's number, but you did.
Speaker 3: We just met actually at a UCLA basketball I don't
Speaker 3: know what would you call that? A fundraiser? Fundraiser and
Speaker 3: we were sitting next to each other. I was like, Hey,
Speaker 3: what's going on? And then we were fast friends because
Speaker 3: we're just ripping on everything.
Speaker 2: But I also I also believe that it's a bit
Speaker 2: of vanity because I think we kind of look alike,
Speaker 2: and so I think we were like, should we be friends? Yeah,
Speaker 2: there was a real ease of communication. And actually I
Speaker 2: remember watching your stand up God and the person I
Speaker 2: was with at the time, they're like, Jesus, y'all could
Speaker 2: be related. And then so then when we met it,
Speaker 2: the thing I had a really deep like went through
Speaker 2: a like a tunnel of like recollection, which is why
Speaker 2: I think you said your name and I kind of
Speaker 2: held like your hand and shook it for too long.
Speaker 2: I was back here. I was having a that' so
Speaker 2: raven moment.
Speaker 1: I could see it. I could see it for sure. Yer,
Speaker 1: I want you to tell us. Speaking of names, I'm
Speaker 1: sure you've said this a million times, but for our
Speaker 1: listeners that haven't heard it, can you explain your social
Speaker 1: media name genderless gap Ad.
Speaker 2: I came into a theater rehearsal one time dressed in
Speaker 2: all denim and a white hat, and my director at
Speaker 2: the time went, you look like a genderless gap Ad
Speaker 2: and I said, I'm changing my handle right now.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it is very appropriate. I've never asked or
Speaker 1: wondered about an origin story. It just felt right.
Speaker 2: No, And sometimes, like I'm walking around, people will say, like,
Speaker 2: I think I have a memorable real name, but people
Speaker 2: will be like, genderous gap Pad. It's kind of awesome.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, fight master is your real name, so
Speaker 1: you'd think anyone at any time would go for that one.
Speaker 1: But there is a really nice ring to genderless gap Ad.
Speaker 2: I think people think I'm I think people think I'm
Speaker 2: talking with them with the fight master thing, and so
Speaker 2: sometimes I think people avoid saying it because they're like,
Speaker 2: you're not going to get me, Like everybody else might
Speaker 2: believe this, but not me.
Speaker 3: That's funny genderless gap pad just rolls off the tongue. Yeah,
Speaker 3: does just look at you and I'm like, okay, yeah.
Speaker 1: That's like there was a certain time where any photo
Speaker 1: that had a diverse group of people in it, we
Speaker 1: would always say it looked like a Benetton ad. Do
Speaker 1: you remember that? Oh yeah, I'm aging myself. Maybe er
Speaker 1: doesn't remember. Aaron and I are closer in age, but yeah,
Speaker 1: that was like you do. That was the go too.
Speaker 1: Is it looks like a Benetton ad? Okay, Aaron, you
Speaker 1: were on before. This is your triumphant return to group chat.
Speaker 1: But for those who might have missed it, give us
Speaker 1: a quick summary of her lights and why people should
Speaker 1: watch and listen to it.
Speaker 3: Well, I've been obsessed with women's sports since nineteen twelve,
Speaker 3: and so I just decided I started it actually ten
Speaker 3: years ago and when no one was paying attention, which
Speaker 3: is always good timing, and then I took a couple
Speaker 3: of years off, did a rebrand. So it's just basically
Speaker 3: like a weekly deep dive conversation in the world of
Speaker 3: women's sports for like an athlete, coach, reporter, journalist, And
Speaker 3: it's just like kind of you know, trying to elevate
Speaker 3: them as a human, elevate the sport, and yeah, just
Speaker 3: getting to know them as like human beings versus like
Speaker 3: x's and o's. I mean, sometimes it gets nerdy, but
Speaker 3: I just love like hearing people's origin stories and how
Speaker 3: they got into what they're doing. And yeah, I just
Speaker 3: love meeting people. Literally I could talk to like a
Speaker 3: new person for like an hour and a half about nothing,
Speaker 3: so pretty much it's pretty fun and nerdy and yeah,
Speaker 3: and I try to keep it light and fun. There's
Speaker 3: there's no like hard hitting journalist questions.
Speaker 1: You ever on the phone and the other person drops
Speaker 1: out and you wonder how long you were talking before
Speaker 1: you realize that they weren't there anymore. Because that's me
Speaker 1: with both new people and like walls, Like I could
Speaker 1: talk to like inanimate objects for a good hour before
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, we're not talking. You did some interviews
Speaker 1: on the road lately with like Rene Stubbs and Anti Costable.
Speaker 1: What are those? Are those a specific kind of episode
Speaker 1: or a different kind of tour?
Speaker 3: I think I think what it is is like when
Speaker 3: you start something new and you get really excited and
Speaker 3: then you just put five live tour dates on your
Speaker 3: calendar and you have no idea what's going to happen.
Speaker 3: I would encourage everybody to crawl outside of their comfort
Speaker 3: zone and then also drink. But it was it was
Speaker 3: really fun. I just was like, what if I just
Speaker 3: tried to combine and stand up comedy in a live podcast.
Speaker 3: I'm not saying it was a cute, it was I
Speaker 3: would tweak the format. Yeah, just honestly talking like with
Speaker 3: Annie about Chicago Sky and WNB and like her life
Speaker 3: as a reporter and how she got into it in
Speaker 3: front of a live, you know, a live audience. It
Speaker 3: was so much fun. It was fantastic, you know. So
Speaker 3: and then Renee, you know, I've known her forever. We
Speaker 3: met at a comedy club a long time ago, randomly
Speaker 3: and then I stalked her gently. So yeah, we talked
Speaker 3: about like, you know, tennis, and she's a big Liberty
Speaker 3: fan and so it was just it was just so fun.
Speaker 3: I had like the time of my life. So hopefully
Speaker 3: we do some I try to get you. You were
Speaker 3: my first ask and chicken, I know, and I.
Speaker 1: Was so bummed to miss because the night that you
Speaker 1: had it was my big Halloween night party. So I
Speaker 1: was dressed like Ellie the Elephant, and it would have
Speaker 1: been a perfect time to crash your event. It just
Speaker 1: was complete other side of town. So we're gonna do
Speaker 1: it another time. Once you tweak, I'll just be like
Speaker 1: the debut episode of the better and nearly tweaked version,
Speaker 1: perfect perfect Er. I'm obsessed with jocular as you know,
Speaker 1: I was recently on the podcast, so everyone can go
Speaker 1: find the episode, right, guest, Thank you. It was so
Speaker 1: much fun. It makes me laugh so much. It's my
Speaker 1: It's one of two podcast that when I listen walking
Speaker 1: down the street, I'm fully aware that I look like
Speaker 1: a lunatic because I'm just walking alone laughing. And it's
Speaker 1: probably not clear I AirPods. And what was the genesis
Speaker 1: for that podcast? What inspired it? Uh?
Speaker 2: The genesis was twenty twenty Actually we were, you know,
Speaker 2: Katie and Tiana and I were all in our respective
Speaker 2: homes and we were all sending these memes back and forth,
Speaker 2: and you know, like twenty twenty months obviously the year
Speaker 2: where all of these people that were otherwise not watching
Speaker 2: women's sports had no option but to start watching women's sports,
Speaker 2: and so you were starting to see all the dialogue
Speaker 2: start to happen, and in some graceful ways and some
Speaker 2: ungraceful ways about women and the color of their skin
Speaker 2: and the amount they were making and whether or not
Speaker 2: they had children and all this stuff. And and Tienna
Speaker 2: and I are all very like activist based, we're big
Speaker 2: old feminists, and we were just kind of, you know,
Speaker 2: we're so fascinated by the sports themselves, but really becoming
Speaker 2: fascinated with Oh, this is going to be the come
Speaker 2: together point for so many important cultural conversations that we're
Speaker 2: not willing to have, and we want to be there
Speaker 2: for that conversation, and we want to do it in
Speaker 2: a funny way. And so that was the genesis of it,
Speaker 2: and it's mutated in a beautiful way into this very fun,
Speaker 2: lighthearted queer thing. And our goal is always to bring
Speaker 2: in listeners that have felt excluded from the sports space
Speaker 2: and people that maybe did not play sports or don't
Speaker 2: know anything about sports at all, who don't want to
Speaker 2: hear anything about statistics.
Speaker 1: They want to come.
Speaker 2: They want to hear us talk and joke about the
Speaker 2: women and queer people who play sports and do it beautifully,
Speaker 2: and then they get to feel like they are supporting
Speaker 2: all of these leagues full of women that are all
Speaker 2: on their margins, you know, And so I think I
Speaker 2: think the listeners feel good, we feel good doing it,
Speaker 2: and it's just been a great experience.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I am really waiting for the seminal work that
Speaker 1: someone writes about twenty twenty, because I'm sure there's been
Speaker 1: so many think pieces and like shorter things, but it's
Speaker 1: really fascinating how much came out of stillness or a
Speaker 1: forced just slowing down. And so for a lot of people,
Speaker 1: it's been really hard to go back, and a lot
Speaker 1: of people really struggled with like getting back up to
Speaker 1: speed after they finally slowed down. But also so many
Speaker 1: people finally like looked around and like created a new business,
Speaker 1: created a company, started a podcast, wrote a book, did
Speaker 1: all these things that like all they really needed was
Speaker 1: enough time to like stop for one second and listen
Speaker 1: to their own thoughts. And same goes with like all
Speaker 1: of our collective reckonings around so many major issues. It's like,
Speaker 1: if we're busy enough, let's just keep avoiding talking about
Speaker 1: institutional racism and women getting the shaft. Not literally no
Speaker 1: perf moment there, but yeah, and then instead we have
Speaker 1: this opportunity and the question is are we actually going
Speaker 1: to learn from that at all going forward and try
Speaker 1: to incorporate more of that stillness and time and space
Speaker 1: into what we do so we can more creative and
Speaker 1: fine possibility, or are we immediately rushing back to like
Speaker 1: that was a little scary and much so let's fill
Speaker 1: every second of our day again. You know what the.
Speaker 2: Bravest thing to me about twenty twenty, it was either
Speaker 2: twenty twenty or twenty twenty one where we had the
Speaker 2: WNBA bubble twenty twenty right twenty twenty, I think, and
Speaker 2: we had we had the bubble, and these women who
Speaker 2: are in this league that was like largely unwatched by
Speaker 2: most of America, all of these like a league that's
Speaker 2: like eighty percent black women, they finally have the mic
Speaker 2: that people are finally watching their games. And at the
Speaker 2: same time, the BLM movement is happening in full force,
Speaker 2: and those women without missing ab are like, we're going
Speaker 2: to use this as an opportunity to do activism and
Speaker 2: to speak up about you know, police violence and what
Speaker 2: we believe in. And there was I was just like, whoa, Like,
Speaker 2: the camera's finally on you, and none of you are like, okay, wait,
Speaker 2: you guys, this is our time to be really palatable.
Speaker 2: This is the time to win the hearts. Mind they
Speaker 2: fully were coming in with those like T shirts, everyone.
Speaker 1: Wear half shirts, your hair up, cute.
Speaker 2: Big bikinis. Hid the lesbianism. They were fully like no,
Speaker 2: like say her name, like I don't know.
Speaker 1: I found it so brave.
Speaker 3: And then played the Best Basketball Hours lead. It was
Speaker 3: mind blowing. I mean, par the dream that documentary. If
Speaker 3: you haven't seen it, you have to. Everybody has to
Speaker 3: see that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but it also was like yet another lesson of
Speaker 1: like actually leaning into authenticity and standing for something. Is
Speaker 1: the women's sports space. It is the women's sports space.
Speaker 1: It is what drives and interests people in addition to
Speaker 1: great sport. And yes, some people are just there to
Speaker 1: watch great sport. Awesome, and so many other people. To
Speaker 1: your point, here are the people who listen to your
Speaker 1: podcast want to be a part of something they've never
Speaker 1: been invited to before. And the way to do that
Speaker 1: is to stop thinking about what the average man wants
Speaker 1: and instead thinking about what matters to you and how
Speaker 1: you want. I have a friend who has never been
Speaker 1: interested in sports, and she saw Megan Repina do an
Speaker 1: interview saying We're not going to the fucking White House,
Speaker 1: and she was like, who is this? What's happening? I'm
Speaker 1: interested right, this queer friend of mine, I like this,
Speaker 1: what's happening? Decided to go to a US Women's National
Speaker 1: team watch party in the park in Chicago. We have
Speaker 1: these big like screens and bars and setups when there's
Speaker 1: big moments like that here in Chicago. But she brought
Speaker 1: a book because she was like, I think I'm going
Speaker 1: to be bored, and then a little picnic blanket and
Speaker 1: like sat really far away from everybody else and then
Speaker 1: was like by the end of it, booking flights to
Speaker 1: go to friendlies in other cities and like buying merchant
Speaker 1: was like, oh my god, whatever this is, I'm obsessed
Speaker 1: with it, and like that's it. I asked her I
Speaker 1: wanted to interview her after that for a espnW story
Speaker 1: because I was so intrigued, and I was like, when
Speaker 1: was the last time you were at a sports stadium, like,
Speaker 1: because she went to Soldier Field for one of the
Speaker 1: US Women's National team games and she said, does Taylor
Speaker 1: Swift count And I was like, no, it doesn't count
Speaker 1: as a sporting event that you last went to. Anyway,
Speaker 1: I think that is fascinating earon that they lean and
Speaker 1: so hard and it worked.
Speaker 2: I will say we did cover the eras to her
Speaker 2: as a sporting event on Jocular because of it, because
Speaker 2: being three hours long and running for months and months
Speaker 2: and months, and so that's all I'll say for the
Speaker 2: swifties out there.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, and Taylor inspired a lot of other people
Speaker 1: to start running on the treadmill trying to do what
Speaker 1: she did for three hours and realizing that she is
Speaker 1: literally superhuman. Okay, let's talk Caitlyn Clark. This Time magazine
Speaker 1: interview was incredible. Also, wish it had run I don't know,
Speaker 1: six months ago. Yeah, it's a lot of time and conversation.
Speaker 1: But of course, the inevitable is the reaction from the
Speaker 1: folks who are saying they will now stop rooting for
Speaker 1: and watching her. The die hard basketball fans who were
Speaker 1: very much there for the basketball will now stop watching
Speaker 1: and rooting for her because she mentioned the word privilege,
Speaker 1: and she talked about how great it would be if
Speaker 1: we acknowledge and lifted up black players who helped make
Speaker 1: the league what it is and continue to do so. Aaron,
Speaker 1: this is predictable potentially even just parroting conversations other people
Speaker 1: are seeing there. It might not even be people that
Speaker 1: believe this, they're just like, Oh, I want to be
Speaker 1: a part of this anti woke thing, so let me
Speaker 1: copypaste that. I'm not watching Caitlin anymore. But what is
Speaker 1: your reaction to her finally saying the thing that a
Speaker 1: lot of people were sort of waiting for her to articulate,
Speaker 1: and what that means going forward for the league, whether
Speaker 1: it can actually help repair some of the stuff that
Speaker 1: we saw so terribly manifest la last season.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Well, first of all, my reaction to people saying
Speaker 3: they're not going to watch her again or watch the WNBA, great,
Speaker 3: bye bye, Masia. Just put slide that manhole cover over,
Speaker 3: crawl back in to your humanity adjacent life. You obviously
Speaker 3: had no experience any of the mission statements from day
Speaker 3: one about the w what the WNBA stands for, you know,
Speaker 3: just inclusion and equity and social justice. They obviously have
Speaker 3: missed that for the last twenty eight seasons, so good
Speaker 3: riddance to that. We got to wed those out anyway.
Speaker 3: So but yeah, yeah, I mean, you know, she was
Speaker 3: under so much pressure every single time. Like it's just
Speaker 3: I felt like, God, we needed to give we have
Speaker 3: a little a little bit more patience, you know that
Speaker 3: all of a sudden, you can play the highest level
Speaker 3: of basketball, what is she you know, fifteen and then
Speaker 3: speak eloquently about race and inclusion and equit, you know
Speaker 3: what I mean. So, but obviously she has a responsibility too.
Speaker 3: So I think the article and I you know, I'm
Speaker 3: I'm kind of blown away by her first of all,
Speaker 3: long time coming, but like also gave her a lot
Speaker 3: of like leeway to have those learning curve for sure,
Speaker 3: But I'm just so impressed, like how comfortable she is
Speaker 3: in her own skin, Like that's pretty amazing that, you know,
Speaker 3: for her just to kind of sit back and be
Speaker 3: like this is who I am and blah blah blah.
Speaker 3: And it seemed really sincere and not like a pr move.
Speaker 3: And so yeah, I'm hoping we just get back to like,
Speaker 3: you know, awesome basketball in twenty twenty five and not
Speaker 3: have these like idiots, you know, trolling around saying the
Speaker 3: dum miss shit.
Speaker 1: Well, she also provided some really good sort of antidotes
Speaker 1: to some of the things that people were pissed about
Speaker 1: like Danna Tarrossi saying, like, you know, get ready, rook,
Speaker 1: this is gonna be a tough league. And then here
Speaker 1: we have Kaitlyn Clark literally saying, I was blown away
Speaker 1: by how shitty the other college players were. They were
Speaker 1: terrible at guarding me. Were they even trying. That's not
Speaker 1: a direct quote, but essentially she came hard with it
Speaker 1: and honest, and she's allowed to say that, and more
Speaker 1: power to her. But that's the kind of stuff that
Speaker 1: other players were saying, and they were accused of bullying
Speaker 1: and not being welcoming and hating her and resenting her,
Speaker 1: and it's like, no, this is just how basketball players
Speaker 1: talk about basketball, and now that she's doing it too,
Speaker 1: can we stop with that garbage? And like, er, that's
Speaker 1: I think you know, you were just mentioning people feeling
Speaker 1: welcome to talk about sports or at least dip a
Speaker 1: toe into sports on your show. A lot of people
Speaker 1: dipped a toe into the WNBA because of Caitlyn Clark,
Speaker 1: and for some of them when they got there, it
Speaker 1: was a disappointment to see like that lady that will
Speaker 1: never forget with the fake and nails that she put
Speaker 1: on her her hands to try to attack djan A
Speaker 1: Carrington and make the space something that it hadn't been
Speaker 1: at all, And I think like, hopefully this can get
Speaker 1: us back to some of the ways we felt about
Speaker 1: going to a WNBA game and women's sports space, where
Speaker 1: it isn't so like everyone's at odds.
Speaker 2: I think that you're right, Aaron, in the sense of like,
Speaker 2: these conversations that we are having now because we have
Speaker 2: people like Kitten and we have people like Angel Reese,
Speaker 2: they are conversations that actually needed to happen. And when
Speaker 2: I see people trolling the league, I feel very blessed
Speaker 2: that they've made themselves so apparent so that we don't
Speaker 2: have to invite them to anything or give a shit
Speaker 2: about what they think at all. I loved this article
Speaker 2: with Caitlin because I loved that how when they said
Speaker 2: that she lacked any false humility, she really did. There
Speaker 2: was like She's like, I'm a great player. This is
Speaker 2: what I've done for the league, this is the visibility
Speaker 2: I got. So when she says like, yeah, like I'd
Speaker 2: love to say I worked for all of it, but
Speaker 2: I am. You know, I do have privilege, I was like, yeah,
Speaker 2: well that if you let line up every other thing
Speaker 2: that she said in that interview, and how honest it
Speaker 2: was there, there would be no reason why that one
Speaker 2: would not also be honest and off the cuff, even
Speaker 2: if it was rehearsed. But I think she's also had
Speaker 2: time to watch other white players handle these discussions, Like
Speaker 2: I think Paige Becker's has done a really remarkable job
Speaker 2: kind of always saying, you know, yes, great, thank you
Speaker 2: so much for the attention, and here's all the black
Speaker 2: women that helped me get here. And so I think
Speaker 2: I think Caitlyn has been able to watch people and
Speaker 2: kind of soak that information in so that when she
Speaker 2: says these things now about like yeah, God love to
Speaker 2: say I'd worked for it, but it is partially privileged,
Speaker 2: it feels very natural.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm just proud of her. I was proud of her.
Speaker 1: But I think it also, like to Aaron's point, like
Speaker 1: giving her enough grace to get there organically made sense
Speaker 1: because Paigeers grew up in a mixed family, like you
Speaker 1: just had a whole life of figuring out and being
Speaker 1: right up next to all this stuff. And Kaylin's just
Speaker 1: a white girl from Iowa, who sure could she gotten
Speaker 1: there faster through any number of ways, but she didn't,
Speaker 1: and here she is and it's and it's you know,
Speaker 1: she's twenty two years old and I think still.
Speaker 3: In the calendar year. I mean she was raised in
Speaker 3: like a cornstalk, you know, like, how how are you
Speaker 3: supposed to get so eloquent? I mean, you want everybody
Speaker 3: we're like projecting our own experience and how we would
Speaker 3: handle things and saying she should have done it this way.
Speaker 3: But then you take a second and you're like, she
Speaker 3: is a kid, right, like from the whitest of white,
Speaker 3: you know, just concentrating head down, just wanted to play basketball.
Speaker 1: And when when male athletes are that kind of neurotic
Speaker 1: obsessive about their their skill, we allow it in a
Speaker 1: way that we never do with women athletes, because, like
Speaker 1: with everything else, we expect the people who are the
Speaker 1: most marginalized to speak to their victimization and expect the
Speaker 1: people doing the victimizing to have zero clue that they're
Speaker 1: even doing it or any thoughts on it. And so
Speaker 1: with male athletes, we're like, oh, my gosh, she's just
Speaker 1: single minded and it's all he cares about. And with women,
Speaker 1: it's like, oh, she's pretending not to know, so she
Speaker 1: doesn't have to speak on it, right, it's just such
Speaker 1: a different treatment.
Speaker 2: Yes, er well, I was thinking about that savage line
Speaker 2: that she had because it's it jumped out to me too.
Speaker 2: But she says, she says those girls like don't have
Speaker 2: any basketball IQ and those those women will never play
Speaker 2: basketball again. And I was like, oh my god, yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's how you get great, and like it's up
Speaker 1: to everybody to decide for themselves. Do I want to
Speaker 1: be Michael Jordan or do I want to you know,
Speaker 1: figure out some balance. But it shouldn't be working out
Speaker 1: for her right now. Caitlin Clark and Alone mar were
Speaker 1: two of the like big breakout stars of this year.
Speaker 1: Do y'all see any parallels? Are there ways we can
Speaker 1: look at their appeal beyond sport? Anything we can learn
Speaker 1: about their explosive popularity that can inform how we market
Speaker 1: or present women's sports and athletes, because in a lot
Speaker 1: of ways they are very different.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I was just thinking that, like a
Speaker 3: like a quick parallel is really what we came back to,
Speaker 3: Like comfortable in your own skin, you know, which is
Speaker 3: like a radical act when all of society is just
Speaker 3: trying to make you feel uncomfortable every minute of the day,
Speaker 3: and then you feel so uncomfortable about everything, then you
Speaker 3: start buying everything. I mean, you know, there's no feel
Speaker 3: good in capitalism, you know. So these these two women
Speaker 3: at the top of their game, so young, but at
Speaker 3: the top of their game, they've achieved success, and you
Speaker 3: feel like you know them, you know, you feel comfortable.
Speaker 3: They're so comfortable. And I'm not saying they don't have like,
Speaker 3: you know, self esteem moments or whatever, but I don't know,
Speaker 3: it just it just feels like they're so authentic. They're
Speaker 3: comfortable in their own skin, and it's empowering, you know.
Speaker 3: And I think if we market that for like, you know,
Speaker 3: women and athletes and women's sports, of just letting them
Speaker 3: be themselves. You know. I used to get so uncomfortable
Speaker 3: watching the WIBA fits because it's like my worst nightmare
Speaker 3: to put on address and it can but it's so
Speaker 3: awesome to see everybody just go into the arena just
Speaker 3: perfect like how they want to be. So I think
Speaker 3: it's just leaning into that. Authenticity is just huge, and
Speaker 3: it's as you can see, like in all these new
Speaker 3: leagues and all this like fervor around women's sports I
Speaker 3: think that is a very you know, true connection.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yard, do you see parallels?
Speaker 2: I do, But my the parallel that I see is
Speaker 2: as a little harsh. I think that America really loves
Speaker 2: a white girl that feels like family, and and part
Speaker 2: of that is that they are desexualized. And Caitlin is
Speaker 2: not a particularly like she's not leaning into any type
Speaker 2: of hyper femininity. And all of the conversations about Alonemar
Speaker 2: are about her weight and her height and her broad
Speaker 2: shoulders and all these things. And so they're kind of
Speaker 2: these women that are we almost are feeling protective of them.
Speaker 2: Of course in that like you know, white supremacist way
Speaker 2: that we do feel protective of white women. I think
Speaker 2: we're also feeling like we are like rallying around. They're
Speaker 2: not getting the vitriol that women who identify and focus
Speaker 2: on being hot would get. Right. So, even Angel Reese
Speaker 2: is a person who's like, you know, wearing nails and
Speaker 2: getting her hair laid like edges laid for these games,
Speaker 2: and is putting on makeup, and she's getting the vitriol
Speaker 2: that we give women on a daily basis for.
Speaker 1: Simply were trying.
Speaker 2: Yes, any any woman that tries and enjoys like the
Speaker 2: presentation of like being a hot girl whatever, like that's
Speaker 2: when we get mad. And of course when Alona did
Speaker 2: the the swimsuits, yeah, that was when there was any
Speaker 2: like the most of course negative like trolls come out
Speaker 2: of the woodwork for that kind of thing, because this
Speaker 2: is her attempt at, like, you know, trying that version
Speaker 2: of femininity. But I don't know, I think they've both
Speaker 2: got this like sister thing where we've decided that they're there,
Speaker 2: they are respectfully de sexualized, and so we can treat
Speaker 2: them like we would any woman in our family that
Speaker 2: we don't want to have sex with.
Speaker 1: I mean, and.
Speaker 2: That's why I think that white America, specifically white males
Speaker 2: have come around Caitlin like like every every man I
Speaker 2: talked to you about Caitlin Clark, you would think that
Speaker 2: she grew up in their hometown.
Speaker 1: Right right.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: It's it's interesting too because there's there's also and definitely
Speaker 1: more so before we've evolved into more disparate presentations of
Speaker 1: women that are acceptable. But it used to be that
Speaker 1: only the sexualized women athletes got love and attention, and
Speaker 1: it was the ones that were like Caitlin or alone
Speaker 1: who weren't leaning enough into their sexuality that were presented
Speaker 1: as why women's sports is n't attractive were not what
Speaker 1: we want because they're not feminine enough. But now it's
Speaker 1: like there's these different spaces in which we allow women
Speaker 1: to exist and yeah, it's in you hadn't thought of
Speaker 1: that about them, of the sort of girl next door,
Speaker 1: but not the Alex Morgan type of girl next door.
Speaker 2: Well, and I think we can like traditionally for American
Speaker 2: gay gay people are invisible in this beautiful.
Speaker 3: Sense, like right here where I'm right here over here,
Speaker 3: and I.
Speaker 2: Say beautiful sense because in like a truly mocking way
Speaker 2: where you know, like people thinking that being gay is
Speaker 2: like people think that being trans is new, right, They're
Speaker 2: like four years all of these and you're like, oh
Speaker 2: my god in the water. Yes, like it truly truly.
Speaker 3: Invisible mind milk.
Speaker 1: Yes, So we have to don't give them that suggestion.
Speaker 1: I promise you that will be a headline next week.
Speaker 2: If you well, it might be the almond milk. We
Speaker 2: can't rule it out, but we don't know. But it
Speaker 2: was like when when the w NBA was I think
Speaker 2: one of the reasons it hasn't done well is because
Speaker 2: we they were not pandering to the male gaze in
Speaker 2: so many ways, and when they did, it was like
Speaker 2: kind of clownish because they're all so just energetically butch,
Speaker 2: even if they're straight, they're energetically but we can't we
Speaker 2: can't avoid that. And and gay people are invisible. And
Speaker 2: so it was truly men being like, what is the
Speaker 2: w NBA, right, Like, so it's gay women were invisible.
Speaker 2: And then hot women are the subject of vitriol because
Speaker 2: we just for some reason we hate femininity, and we
Speaker 2: also hate an absence of femininity, and it's just impossible
Speaker 2: to be a woman.
Speaker 1: Well also, if we if we find you very attractive,
Speaker 1: we don't want you to ruin it. What they've said
Speaker 1: for years two about comedy, right, we're uncomfortable with women
Speaker 1: who are hot making themselves less hot in pursuit of
Speaker 1: a laugh. So we like women who are not like
Speaker 1: the hottest person in the movie to be the funny ones.
Speaker 1: Otherwise it's offensive that they're taking away their best and
Speaker 1: most important virtue, which is the same with hot female athletes.
Speaker 1: It's like, we like you in the ads, but once
Speaker 1: you're on the field, please don't take away from your
Speaker 1: hotness by being aggressive or physical or otherwise.
Speaker 3: Like I just had this this vision er when you
Speaker 3: were talking about everything was invisible. How men watch the WNBA.
Speaker 3: All they can just see is a ball. They just
Speaker 3: see the ball going down the court, but they can't
Speaker 3: see anything. It's like ghost.
Speaker 1: It's like ghost when like he was making the inanimate
Speaker 1: stuff move to show her there.
Speaker 3: Yes, that's how they watched it. That's how men watch.
Speaker 1: The WS podcast is only for people over forty. I'm
Speaker 1: so sorry. So far I've been referencing Ghost and Benetton
Speaker 1: really keeping it tightly into.
Speaker 2: You're bringing culture to the young people.
Speaker 1: That's right, that's right. Speaking of culture, I have to
Speaker 1: ask y'all, do you have one like prime complaint about
Speaker 1: the way TV shows, movies, or comedians get things wrong
Speaker 1: when they're joking or making content about female athletes and
Speaker 1: women's sports. Mine is always that somehow, if they decide
Speaker 1: to throw in a woman on the co ed team
Speaker 1: just for like like hang time or space jam, there's
Speaker 1: like token woman. She never wears the uniform everyone else wears.
Speaker 1: She's always in a bra top like a sports bra
Speaker 1: or a crop top. Like why doesn't she wear the
Speaker 1: same uniform. Ever, Oh, cast they have one. They casted
Speaker 1: the cartoon and they could only find a cartoon who
Speaker 1: wore exclusively crop tops.
Speaker 2: Well, if I had that body, I would be wearing
Speaker 2: that too.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Lola Banish, Yeah.
Speaker 3: I just think there's no in between. It's either the
Speaker 3: woman is like yeah, like ultra femme and she can't
Speaker 3: play and she's like, oh my boob, and it's like
Speaker 3: if she's playing, it's like to get the guy, and
Speaker 3: she's just like, you know, throwing like a toddler, you know,
Speaker 3: and you're just like, I can't who is this person?
Speaker 3: Or it's the butchiest of butch Lesbo's that's just like
Speaker 3: it's just a scene where she's walking through the house
Speaker 3: and like tackling her furniture, you know, and you're like, what,
Speaker 3: none of none of this happens, Like how about the
Speaker 3: in between?
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's fair, So say the extremes.
Speaker 2: My my my least favorite misconception. I think that this
Speaker 2: happens because of bend Attle, Like Beckham is, when there's
Speaker 2: any like plot line or joke about like a coach
Speaker 2: and a player having sexual likes. Always I can't express
Speaker 2: the people who don't play sports the relationship with you
Speaker 2: you have with your coach is like if you had
Speaker 2: a third parent that you hated but you weren't allowed
Speaker 2: you like, you can't get estranged from them at any point. Yeah,
Speaker 2: And they're also they're also like a leader of a
Speaker 2: dictatorship that you're living under in silence. And there's somehow
Speaker 2: even if they're forty years old, they are elderly to you,
Speaker 2: and so there's just there's like it's the very opposite.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I had one hot coach, so I
Speaker 1: kind of get it. I hadn't I had a hot coach,
Speaker 1: my high school track coach. Everybody knew he was hot.
Speaker 1: During Valentine's Day, you could buy a singing telegram Valentine
Speaker 1: for people and like someone would walk into their class
Speaker 1: and be like, hey, Sarah. I wouldn't know because no
Speaker 1: one bought me any But in theory it would have
Speaker 1: gone that someone a handful of people from the chorus
Speaker 1: would walk in and be like, Hey, Sarah, this is
Speaker 1: from you know, Todd, and it would be like, you
Speaker 1: know something about why can't I be a teenager in
Speaker 1: love or whatever whatever that song is. And I was
Speaker 1: in class. So he was also an econ teacher, and
Speaker 1: he had like nine of them. So they just said,
Speaker 1: mister Clagg, you got nine of these. They're all anonymous.
Speaker 1: We're just gonna sing them all at once.
Speaker 3: Oh my god. Yeah, like that that was his vibe.
Speaker 1: Okay, So I'm not saying it's he was young, so
Speaker 1: like when he started teaching, he was like mid to
Speaker 1: late twenties, so he's not that far off from the
Speaker 1: people he's like teaching and coaching. Anyway, My point is
Speaker 1: it is conceivable that you might want to have sex
Speaker 1: with your coach, but it's best, because of a million reasons,
Speaker 1: to not always have the storyline be that the woman
Speaker 1: bones her coach, because, first of all, that happens too
Speaker 1: much in real life, and usually it's because of an
Speaker 1: imbalance of power that's caused by the coach being toxic
Speaker 1: and abusive, so let's not make it a cool storyline. Also,
Speaker 1: Pure Knightley was like twelve in every movie where she
Speaker 1: was actually active, she was like seventeen in love.
Speaker 2: Actually, Sarah, have you ever considered freestyle wrapping? You speak
Speaker 2: so quickly off the dome, sorry, so elegantly. I'm like,
Speaker 2: let's put it to music.
Speaker 1: You know what, people have always said we need another
Speaker 1: white rapper.
Speaker 2: I've been saying that for years.
Speaker 3: Oh my god. Even my mother says that, yes.
Speaker 1: I need to fill the space.
Speaker 3: It is true, though, I will second because I obviously
Speaker 3: I listen to you, well both do your shows, but
Speaker 3: I can't sometimes I stop. And I've gotten my partner, Sarah,
Speaker 3: to listen.
Speaker 1: To your show too.
Speaker 3: Sarah, I go, it's so she speaks so quickly, and
Speaker 3: it's like a plus. It's like and then and I'm like,
Speaker 3: wait what And then normal podcasts I do like one
Speaker 3: point five or one point twenty five. For you, it's
Speaker 3: almost like point seventy five.
Speaker 1: I wouldn't recommend it, just wouldn't recommend it very fast.
Speaker 3: No, but it's amazing You're you're so good at it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, here's my No. I've got to give you one
Speaker 2: more compliment. When when I got home from the recording
Speaker 2: of the interview, you to a jocular, I was like,
Speaker 2: I was talking to my partner and I was like,
Speaker 2: it was so she's so powerful. It was like, I
Speaker 2: feel like I need to go to the gym.
Speaker 1: Big gym energy. I don't know if that's a compliment,
Speaker 1: to be honest.
Speaker 2: I did I went to the gym. I went to
Speaker 2: the gym and I thought about all your accomplishments and
Speaker 2: I did cardio.
Speaker 1: That's my king good about that? Yeah? Yeah, I feel
Speaker 1: I mean, I told you last time that you said
Speaker 1: I was funny at the SPNW Seve, and I've told
Speaker 1: so many people that. Now I'm going to tell people
Speaker 1: I inspired you to lift. Yes, and they can read
Speaker 1: whatever they want into that. Okay, we're running out of time,
Speaker 1: but we have to go a little bit over because
Speaker 1: I really need your answers for this next question, because
Speaker 1: I think they're going to be good. We need your
Speaker 1: favorite women's sports reference and pop culture. For example, Out
Speaker 1: of Nowhere, Parks and rec Ron Swanson says, you know,
Speaker 1: an ideal night out for me is stepping onto my
Speaker 1: poor chariot, grilling a thick slab of something's flesh, and
Speaker 1: then popping in a highlight reel of the WNBA like
Speaker 1: it's a surprising moment on that show. You don't see
Speaker 1: it coming. Gloria, the Paul Pell character on Girls, Girls
Speaker 1: I've Ever, says I'm bad at letting go. I have
Speaker 1: a Sims character named Val who's been shooting hoops for
Speaker 1: twenty years.
Speaker 3: I love that show so much.
Speaker 1: It's the best show. Liz Lemon was part of the
Speaker 1: Timeless Torches WNBA dance team for The Liberty on thirty Rock.
Speaker 1: There's some good ones. So do you have one that like,
Speaker 1: maybe he surprised you or you just didn't see coming,
Speaker 1: or one that you just particularly love.
Speaker 2: I I'm sure that this is going to make it
Speaker 2: into a TV show at some point. But my my
Speaker 2: like thing that I think about is that, you know,
Speaker 2: when we were when I was a kid, we used
Speaker 2: to crush, you know, paper and throw it into a
Speaker 2: trash can and you'd yell Kobe. And now all the
Speaker 2: kids are yelling Caitlin Yes, And I'm like, man, the
Speaker 2: minute that enters the TV show, I might laugh, but
Speaker 2: I also might cry. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I feel like Abbot Elementary is the prime show for that.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Abbot Elementary gets a lot of sports references and very deftly,
Speaker 1: and I feel like I could see them pulling a
Speaker 1: Caitlin talk Caitlin, this is how we close on Jocular.
Speaker 1: You ask every guest who they would like to be
Speaker 1: power slapped by, and our twist on that relates to
Speaker 1: our sign off, and at the end of every show,
Speaker 1: we say a good game, good game, pew. We give
Speaker 1: two people good games, and then we say few to
Speaker 1: something that deserves our wrath. So I need to hear
Speaker 1: your biggest few in women's sports. It can be a person,
Speaker 1: a team of ethos, whatever it is.
Speaker 3: I'm going to say fu to seven hundred and sixty
Speaker 3: five million to one Soto, because my brain immediately goes
Speaker 3: to you could fund a women's softball league, a women's
Speaker 3: baseball league, and I'm I grew up a big baseball fan,
Speaker 3: but now I quit my fantasy baseball league. When the
Speaker 3: announcer came out. I'm so irate because I'm so invested
Speaker 3: in women's sports that one man to catch fly balls
Speaker 3: can hit sixty five million when you could fund like
Speaker 3: eight women's leagues. So fu to all of.
Speaker 1: That, but not to Juan Soto, because we have to
Speaker 1: hate the game, not the player.
Speaker 3: No, take it one soo. But also, deer Juan Soto,
Speaker 3: I'm sure he's listening. Take that money and invest it
Speaker 3: in women's sports, and then I'll be fine with it.
Speaker 1: Let's all start writing letters to one.
Speaker 3: So excuse me, sir, long hand, I do longhandersive yes,
Speaker 3: dearest one, do something good.
Speaker 2: Eric, you are, I'm gonna say you to the LPGA
Speaker 2: oh I and I recently wore one of their like
Speaker 2: hats on the on the show, and I was like
Speaker 2: getting excited about golf and wanting to talk about this,
Speaker 2: and then they came out with their guidelines. Uh, I
Speaker 2: think a month ago, and it's you know, all like
Speaker 2: biological sex and gender ship and very trans exclusive, and
Speaker 2: I think think specifically for a sport like golf, it's
Speaker 2: it just feels like such a silly stretch to pretend
Speaker 2: that that transness is going to be the big difference
Speaker 2: between players, Like you know that there's going to be
Speaker 2: this vast space between the talent of a trans woman
Speaker 2: and a sis woman. And my I think the big
Speaker 2: few that goes in there underneath of all of my
Speaker 2: complaints is every time we exclude trans women, the actual
Speaker 2: message is that men are better than women, because these
Speaker 2: people are not thinking of trans women as women, They're
Speaker 2: thinking of trans women as men. And so we're saying, well,
Speaker 2: we can't have trans women involved because we don't want
Speaker 2: men interacting with women's women athletes. And every time we
Speaker 2: say it, and every time we believe it, we are
Speaker 2: saying we believe that men are better in every way.
Speaker 2: Even the most mediocre man is better than the best woman.
Speaker 2: And so you, LPGA, you had an opportunity to not
Speaker 2: be this way. Everyone's rooting for you. Shut the up.
Speaker 3: Mast LPG Aaron, Aaron here, listen. I need you to
Speaker 3: take that golf club and shove it up your ass.
Speaker 3: Me and Wan Soto.
Speaker 1: Sincerely, the nearest Sandpit and yeah name.
Speaker 2: I'd love to be proven wrong. I will say that
Speaker 2: I'd love for them to be like you guys. We
Speaker 2: came up with that letter and we were like, what
Speaker 2: were we were?
Speaker 1: We were drinking. I felt the same way about their
Speaker 1: rollout of a barstool merch collab.
Speaker 2: My god.
Speaker 1: So maybe we just need to revisit who's in charge
Speaker 1: over there. On the number of levels, it's probably Carl.
Speaker 1: It's always Carl, that guy.
Speaker 3: I tell you, he's just making one bad decision after another.
Speaker 1: You guys are the best. I can talk to you
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Speaker 1: you so much for coming on.
Speaker 2: Thank you for having us big fans of both of you.
Speaker 3: Thank you so fun, You're the best both of you.
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