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Speaker 1: bonus episode. Good do It, Good do It. They're getting
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Speaker 1: a different episode. No, no, don't fret. Gerard Little John
Speaker 1: is still in the building. Unfortunately, this is all football
Speaker 1: and so he Gerard allowed me to go ahead and
Speaker 1: um do my own thing today. So have the opportunity
Speaker 1: to work with a past guest, page Demacos on football.
Speaker 1: We're just breaking down some of the pre draft and
Speaker 1: some of the outstanding quarterbacks that are heading into the draft,
Speaker 1: and then also obviously easy talking about some wide receivers
Speaker 1: and dabbling in the DBS. So I hope you enjoy
Speaker 1: uh the pre draft slash, free agency slash heading into
Speaker 1: the off season. We cut to it Steve Smith Sr.
Speaker 1: And Gerard Little John. But Gerard has allowed me to
Speaker 1: stare the ship solo today, so I hope you enjoy it.
Speaker 1: Appreciate it. God bless man. It's it's the time of
Speaker 1: the year where everybody starts to question quarterback one. It's
Speaker 1: my favorite time of the year where everybody starts to
Speaker 1: manufacture storylines about why, uh, insert quarterback is not going
Speaker 1: to be QB one. So I know that it's officially
Speaker 1: draft season because that started recently. Do you know why
Speaker 1: that is so much manufactured information? Specially with why especially
Speaker 1: with quarterbacks. I think the reality is fans care about
Speaker 1: that position so much, right, so when you're talking about it's,
Speaker 1: it's a it's it's such a polarizing discussion points, so
Speaker 1: people are so int sit in it. And then on
Speaker 1: top of that, obviously, when you're evaluating a prospect, you
Speaker 1: can do your best, but there's no sure thing. Right
Speaker 1: as much as we want to say Trevor Lawrence is
Speaker 1: a absolute sure thing, you can't actually quantify that because
Speaker 1: everything that happens in the NFL. Yes, he can have
Speaker 1: unbelievable traits, great arm, great accuracy, But if he goes
Speaker 1: to the wrong system or Urban Meyer ends up failing
Speaker 1: as a coach, that might be more on the system
Speaker 1: and less about the player, and that has to factor in.
Speaker 1: And people just don't really talk about that that much. Well,
Speaker 1: people don't really you know why they can't talk about
Speaker 1: that because they don't know about it exactly, and they're
Speaker 1: not in those places. And so but here's another piece
Speaker 1: of the puzzle that I think one that people don't
Speaker 1: really realize this at this point of time. And it
Speaker 1: took me probably about my second year of being at
Speaker 1: the combine being an analyst, that I really realized why
Speaker 1: and what the combine is for. The combine is not
Speaker 1: a place where they talk good about you. Do you
Speaker 1: know what the combine is. It is a place where
Speaker 1: they fill in the gaps of what you don't do
Speaker 1: well and why haven't you done well? Right? And so
Speaker 1: let's start it off with let's bypass Trevor Lawrence because
Speaker 1: that is low hanging fruit, right, Trevor. I had the
Speaker 1: opportunity to see Trevor Lawrence throw, and I summarize it
Speaker 1: like this. I had my question marks about him until
Speaker 1: I went to see him play when dug down Deeper
Speaker 1: and looked at some film and what I really loved
Speaker 1: about Trevor Lawrence is you imagine six ft six, two
Speaker 1: thirteen pounds, the inability to lift weights because of a
Speaker 1: non um a, a torm labor or whatever degree of
Speaker 1: labor straining has non throwing shoulder. He has not been
Speaker 1: able for the last two months, possibly or longer, we
Speaker 1: don't know been able to lift, so he hasn't been
Speaker 1: able to get into his body start to develop his
Speaker 1: NFL football body and a football body is different. And
Speaker 1: why is that difference, Because we'll talk about some guys
Speaker 1: on this list of players, especially why receivers that lack
Speaker 1: muscle structure and why is that important? Because when you
Speaker 1: have a guy like a let's see a Khalil mag
Speaker 1: that can run a four four or four or five,
Speaker 1: chase you down and dripping wet after things, given you
Speaker 1: are a hundred and seventy five pounds, that's why muscle
Speaker 1: mass is an important task because if they're going to
Speaker 1: invest all this money into you and you all you
Speaker 1: gotta do is get on the skateboard and you're out
Speaker 1: for the season. You that skateboard hits a rock and
Speaker 1: you know longer can play. That means now they have
Speaker 1: no r o I return on their and everybody wants
Speaker 1: an r o I everybody. So yes, it is a business,
Speaker 1: but the fan is an entertainment and it's an avenue
Speaker 1: and opportunity to air their grievances, to complain about their team,
Speaker 1: to uh put down a player. But at the end
Speaker 1: of it. It's all about for the league, for the
Speaker 1: teams they return on their investment and also um having
Speaker 1: a ten or twenty x return, you know, having so
Speaker 1: much more returned and they put into it that it
Speaker 1: makes it worth it. A great example is the New
Speaker 1: Orleans Saints when they when Sean Payton signed Drew Brees.
Speaker 1: When you say ten x return on what they now
Speaker 1: on the flip side, right, you look at like the
Speaker 1: trade to facilitate for some of the recent cornerbacks right
Speaker 1: that you've seen happen in the NFL. Right where you're
Speaker 1: watching the Rams giveaway first round picks like they just
Speaker 1: have them forever, right, and you're going, Okay, are you
Speaker 1: going to acquire more first round picks? Or like, how
Speaker 1: exactly are you doing this? Right? Because that's the most
Speaker 1: valuable asset as you're talking about. It's like the stock market.
Speaker 1: You're investing, you're trying, you're going and you're looking at
Speaker 1: things and you're going, Okay, when I, when I do
Speaker 1: all the homework, this is the best case scenario for me.
Speaker 1: And still, how often are people missing out on prospects?
Speaker 1: I mean, there's the reason that head coaches and gms
Speaker 1: get fired and people move on is because this system
Speaker 1: is not perfect and you can't quantify everything that it
Speaker 1: takes to be a great prospect, and there are a
Speaker 1: lot of things that are you know, intangibles that don't
Speaker 1: show up on the fit, that don't show up in
Speaker 1: the film room, that don't show up on a stat sheet.
Speaker 1: And that's why, to me, the important part of the
Speaker 1: combine has always been the interviews that actually happened behind
Speaker 1: the scenes that the fans don't see, nobody sees except
Speaker 1: the players and the coaching staffs, and that's the important
Speaker 1: information they walk away from because at the end of
Speaker 1: the day, most coaches and gms go into that knowing
Speaker 1: everything they need to know physically on the film from
Speaker 1: what they've seen from the player. Right, there's very few
Speaker 1: players that are actually going to either raise or lower
Speaker 1: their stock coming out of there unless they bomb an interview.
Speaker 1: And that happens a lot, happens a lot, it does,
Speaker 1: it does. So let's let's let's dig deep in here.
Speaker 1: So let's go with Justin Fields. Okay, what do what
Speaker 1: do you What do you like or dislike about Justin Fields?
Speaker 1: So let me start off by saying, I think it's
Speaker 1: an incredibly unfair that Justin Fields seems to be getting
Speaker 1: knocked for what we would call helmet scouting. Right, So
Speaker 1: you're looking at the Ohio State emblem and people are going, well,
Speaker 1: he played at Ohio State, so he's not going to
Speaker 1: have success in the NFL. And the reason are saying
Speaker 1: that is because there's a list of quarterbacks from that
Speaker 1: university that have failed in the NFL. And what I
Speaker 1: would tell argue back to that person, because that is
Speaker 1: the number one thing I see on Twitter right is
Speaker 1: is well he went to I have steady sucks. Yeah, dude,
Speaker 1: trust me, I'm like less and less every day. But yeah,
Speaker 1: that's a that's a smart move. But Fields, he is
Speaker 1: the only quarterback of the recent grouping of guys that
Speaker 1: actually had a first round grade from most people. Like
Speaker 1: I understand, Dwayne Haskins got drafted in the first round,
Speaker 1: but that's because Dan Snyder knew him growing up and
Speaker 1: he went into the draft room and said, you're drafting
Speaker 1: this guy. That was not what the coaching staff and
Speaker 1: the GM wanted to do. Dan Snyder went in and said,
Speaker 1: this is what we're doing. Dwayne Haskins was not a
Speaker 1: first round guy, and so I don't think it's unfair
Speaker 1: to put Justin Fields into that category. I also think
Speaker 1: it's just when you look at a prospect. One of
Speaker 1: the most important, slash impressive seasons we have seen thus
Speaker 1: far has been Justin Fields from two years ago, right,
Speaker 1: an unbelievable season. Then he comes into this this season.
Speaker 1: The toughness that he had to outplay Trevor Lawrence in
Speaker 1: the biggest stage. Okay, he went toe to toe. That's
Speaker 1: the letter. I look at that memory and I go,
Speaker 1: those moments matter. It's what Deshaun Watson did so well. Right,
Speaker 1: you come up and show up in those big moments.
Speaker 1: He has that it factor, that wind factor. He went
Speaker 1: he was injured, he was hurting, He went up against
Speaker 1: Clemson and he was the start, not Trevor. Trevor is excellent,
Speaker 1: but the better quarterback that day was Justin Fields. And
Speaker 1: I don't understand why the kids get knocked. I really don't. Well.
Speaker 1: One one of the reasons he's getting knocked is because
Speaker 1: of what you say, school success and the suit right,
Speaker 1: the saying not that people are looking at trade trade
Speaker 1: lands a system and understand this a scheme is a scheme. Right.
Speaker 1: One of the things we look at what's going on
Speaker 1: is how many players are getting traded right now or
Speaker 1: are no longer on their teams because or soon to
Speaker 1: be not on their team because they cannot perform well
Speaker 1: enough consistently in their current scheme. Because here's a question.
Speaker 1: Here's the question for you about the scheme, because I
Speaker 1: think this is really and I love your perspective on it.
Speaker 1: Does it say more though about the coach and the
Speaker 1: arrogance of like the yet of the scheme. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: say where you're going. I'm gonna say all. And here's
Speaker 1: why it's all you're saying. A scheme can be good
Speaker 1: and bad. Great example of a scheme, The Los Angeles
Speaker 1: Rams have a scheme, right, Kyle Shanahan has a scheme.
Speaker 1: Matt Shaw played that scheme in that scheme very well
Speaker 1: under Gary Kubiak and Kyle Shanahan. Would you not agree.
Speaker 1: Jimmy Garoppolo at times of play has played exceptionally well
Speaker 1: in that scheme, Okay, Kevin Walters love him play exceptional
Speaker 1: in that scheme. Went to Tennessee and you never heard
Speaker 1: of from him again. Sometimes schemes can help and hurt you,
Speaker 1: meaning you can adapt to the scheme so much that
Speaker 1: your inability to adapt when you become when you get
Speaker 1: out of that scheme, all of a sudden, you become
Speaker 1: a dinosaur and don't even know why. You find you
Speaker 1: find yourself being extinct because you've mastered the scheme and
Speaker 1: then you unfortunately are released or you go to another
Speaker 1: team and you can't figure out the new scheme. It happens,
Speaker 1: for sure, right just it's just Westwalk has been a
Speaker 1: dynamic player with two quarterbacks, primarily in the slot. But
Speaker 1: when he was in Miami, Miami game up for a
Speaker 1: coke and a back of chips, and he comes out
Speaker 1: and he's one of the best slot receivers to ever play.
Speaker 1: Master in the scheme. Now, is it a It's indictment
Speaker 1: on how idiotic Miami was. Absolutely, but it also shows
Speaker 1: how dysfunction they were and how their scouting department struggled.
Speaker 1: They had the scheme that didn't fit the player and
Speaker 1: sometimes and and I have a coworker named Mike rob
Speaker 1: that I never used this without telling him. He always says,
Speaker 1: too many coaches rely on the exes and oh's and
Speaker 1: don't give enough credit to the Jimmy's and Joe's. I
Speaker 1: love that right, because it is about understanding what your
Speaker 1: player can do in the scheme, but also enhancing your
Speaker 1: scheme and adjusting your scheme to the player. That's exactly
Speaker 1: that you think exactly because I think the best example
Speaker 1: for me is, you know, you look at a John
Speaker 1: Harball and the Ravens and they completely revamp what they
Speaker 1: do for Lamar. Yeah until I'll start until yeah, until
Speaker 1: and then and then for whatever reason, and then I
Speaker 1: look at them and I go, okay, so now what's
Speaker 1: the next progression? Maybe gets some more talent for Lamar
Speaker 1: so that you can't continue to build off of that.
Speaker 1: But that's that is an example of I I see
Speaker 1: as the quarterback position is the most important position. It's
Speaker 1: what we're all talking about. Why are so many coaches
Speaker 1: so I don't know, arrogant or stuck in the ways
Speaker 1: to not change or adapt. I don't think it's necessarily arrogance.
Speaker 1: I think it's there are some coaches that are out
Speaker 1: there that just they just know the scheme. Yeah, they
Speaker 1: can't coach anything else. They can't because they have they
Speaker 1: have gotten a PhD or major only in that right.
Speaker 1: They know this type of offense. And that's why they
Speaker 1: only go to certain teams, and this coaches stays with
Speaker 1: that coach, and that player stays with that player, because
Speaker 1: then they go to these other schemes and it's like,
Speaker 1: that doesn't make sense. I've played in I played an
Speaker 1: old school West Coast George Seyferts West Coast, Gary Kubiak's
Speaker 1: West Coast. Struggled in that for a while, took me
Speaker 1: a lot to adapt to. And then I played in
Speaker 1: a version of New England Patriots, and then I played
Speaker 1: in a number system, and all of them, some of
Speaker 1: them have rules that just don't make sense, and so
Speaker 1: I've had to adapt and figure it out, and I
Speaker 1: made some mistakes, but I just know I've I've been
Speaker 1: lucky enough to learn enough offense to go. I'm glad.
Speaker 1: I'm done playing. That's that's all I go Earlier, I'm
Speaker 1: glad played so so. One of the things that I
Speaker 1: think I noticed about Justin Fields, right, every quarterback in
Speaker 1: this draft has had a great game and a bad game.
Speaker 1: The reason why with Justin Fields, why so many people
Speaker 1: are on him a little bit, is because the quarterback,
Speaker 1: the quarterback position has become such a hot topic and
Speaker 1: a hot button where if you don't have one. If
Speaker 1: you don't have a good relationship, and if you don't
Speaker 1: know how to navigate through the ugly nous of miss
Speaker 1: picking a quarterback, it could cost you your job. Yeah. Right,
Speaker 1: So Justin feels biggest his biggest weakness right now, the
Speaker 1: processing speed. And think about it. When you're a quarterback,
Speaker 1: you can't you cannot not process the play and the
Speaker 1: defense quick enough. If processing it is not your forte
Speaker 1: you should not be being draft in the top five,
Speaker 1: or if you are drafted in top five, or if
Speaker 1: you are a reach, like a like a love a
Speaker 1: Jordan's love for Utah State, you must sit that young man.
Speaker 1: And that's one of the things that I know. And
Speaker 1: and here's why I know. Justin Fields was was at
Speaker 1: Georgia originally. You're telling me Justin Fields cannot outplay from
Speaker 1: that's a definite knock. Well, here's why he could not
Speaker 1: play him. He could outplay him, but he didn't know
Speaker 1: he could not outplay him from the shoulders up at
Speaker 1: that time when he was young. Right, And not saying
Speaker 1: that he's not smart, he is smart. He's a smart
Speaker 1: young man. He's playing quarterback. There are very few dummies
Speaker 1: playing quarterback. Now you can process information slower and maybe
Speaker 1: not see it as quick, But that doesn't make you dumb.
Speaker 1: So I'm not saying Justin Fields is dumb. What I'm
Speaker 1: saying is compared to processing it, the processing speed. And
Speaker 1: here's and here's why it's an unfair advantage to a
Speaker 1: young man. When you look at the greats to Bree
Speaker 1: processes information, Tom Brady processes information, Peyton Manning, I can
Speaker 1: name them on and on right, even Jason Campbell process information.
Speaker 1: The disadvantage that Jason Campbell and Alex Smith had is
Speaker 1: they always, either in college or in the league, had
Speaker 1: a new coordinator at multiple times. Talks about but it's
Speaker 1: a huge factor. Yes, think about as soon as you
Speaker 1: have mastered one offense, gotta learned a new one. Figure
Speaker 1: it out. That's like that. That would be like as
Speaker 1: soon as you figured out your iPhone or Android, they
Speaker 1: come and they forced a new down your throat and
Speaker 1: you have to now be able to work. So you
Speaker 1: gotta download this and download that. So that's the thing
Speaker 1: with Justin Field, says he doesn't believe what he sees
Speaker 1: and reacts fast enough. That's gonna allow some comfortability and
Speaker 1: coaching and all that stuff, but he could play. Doesn't
Speaker 1: have a lot of turnovers. Um has the oneness to
Speaker 1: show uh elusiveness, not not afraid to dip his shoulder
Speaker 1: and try, you know, and try to run somebody over.
Speaker 1: So I really I really love that about him, right.
Speaker 1: But the only thing I think that I don't like
Speaker 1: that some people like us, he relies on his He
Speaker 1: relies on his quickness a little bit too much sometimes, Yeah,
Speaker 1: because he's pretty quick. Potentially they set handspeed like four
Speaker 1: for eight and I was like, excuse me, excuse me,
Speaker 1: twitch fast twitch is not missing that young man. He
Speaker 1: is all over. Yeah, he's very very athletic. And I think,
Speaker 1: I think, to me, the things that I've I've just
Speaker 1: there are criticisms that you can take away from every
Speaker 1: one of these quarterbacks, right, I think, not including Trevor Lawrence,
Speaker 1: who I don't think is you can, yes, he's QB one,
Speaker 1: but you can't just automatically say he's got no flaws.
Speaker 1: There are flaws. There's flaws for everybody. But I think
Speaker 1: the biggest thing with Justin is exactly what you what
Speaker 1: you brought up right with the processing. But the thing
Speaker 1: that I'm frustrated with is more so the conversation that
Speaker 1: seems to be happening and the outside, which is not
Speaker 1: only that um Justin Fields is not QB two, it's
Speaker 1: that Zack Wilson has now entered this conversation of being
Speaker 1: QB one even right that there's that there's NFL organizations
Speaker 1: that are interested in Zack Wilson even ahead of Trevor Lawrence,
Speaker 1: which I think to me is a little crazy. Some
Speaker 1: people are putting him ahead of them because they already
Speaker 1: know that Trevor Lawrence is not going to be there
Speaker 1: when they get him exactly manufacturing storylines. Yeah, so they're like,
Speaker 1: he's not gonna be there, So why why are we're
Speaker 1: gonna shop beyond our spinning lemon when we know we're
Speaker 1: not even gonna get it. So let's go ahead. Let's
Speaker 1: let's go ahead and moving forward right for sure. Zack Wilson, though,
Speaker 1: you know, I think one of the one of the
Speaker 1: interesting things about him, I have a unique perspective. I
Speaker 1: was actually at Provo well two years ago now when
Speaker 1: Utah opened up playing at b y U, and I
Speaker 1: was on the sideline. Now you know who impressed me more?
Speaker 1: It wasn't Zach Wilson. I didn't even know he played.
Speaker 1: Here's why because his office A line was so bad
Speaker 1: and so one of the weaknesses that he has is
Speaker 1: untested under pressure. And that's not a knock, that's just
Speaker 1: the facts. He has not been able, we have not
Speaker 1: been able to see how does a young man handle pressure?
Speaker 1: M like real pressure, not you cef pressure. I'm talking
Speaker 1: about playing a really really good team, not a team
Speaker 1: that is giving up. But I'll just put it like this,
Speaker 1: a prom date. How about that? That's the code I
Speaker 1: like to use. Prom date. I think for me, it's
Speaker 1: not even that, it's thinking past that. Right when we
Speaker 1: were talking about in our pre show about how the
Speaker 1: NFL factor has to play in more right, where it's
Speaker 1: not just it's it's yes, it's not even all the
Speaker 1: players he played against his college football it's to your
Speaker 1: Khalil mac discussion earlier, what's going to happen when it's
Speaker 1: not Ohio State that's rushing you? It's uh, I don't know.
Speaker 1: For instance, let's use Patrick Mahomes that as the latest
Speaker 1: example what happens when your offensive line can't hold up.
Speaker 1: In Vita Van the Dominican SU and JPP and Shack,
Speaker 1: Barrett and everybody are getting in your face NonStop. It
Speaker 1: doesn't matter who you are. It doesn't matter who you are,
Speaker 1: because you can't you can if you if nobody's protecting
Speaker 1: for you. Patrick Moms was not good enough to four
Speaker 1: seven yards and of scrambling, Yet none of the four
Speaker 1: seven yards equal to four seven yards of total rushing
Speaker 1: for the knee. There's a lot of backpedaling. That brother was.
Speaker 1: You know what, I haven't seen a brother run that
Speaker 1: much until the opening line in a horror movie, because
Speaker 1: we all know on every horror movie who dies first,
Speaker 1: it's always the black dude. Always, it's always always the brothers.
Speaker 1: It was in a horror movie, open and saying for
Speaker 1: four quarters though it was a horror movie, for him,
Speaker 1: for being honest, it was it wasn't too good. What
Speaker 1: kind of team do you believe should reach out and draft,
Speaker 1: Zach Wilson, Uh, Well, I think there's who I think
Speaker 1: should do it, and then I think who's going to
Speaker 1: be probably dumb enough, and it's not gonna be a
Speaker 1: good scenario. Right, Oh, I like to start with then, Okay,
Speaker 1: so let's start with where there's a lot of pressure, right,
Speaker 1: Arguably the most pressure, and the offensive line isn't great,
Speaker 1: the weapons aren't the best, and I don't trust what
Speaker 1: they're doing because I had to have, you know, ten
Speaker 1: plus years of showing us that they can't do. And
Speaker 1: that's New York Jets, right that's where he's getting He's
Speaker 1: getting mocked to a lot. There's a lot of discussion
Speaker 1: that they like him, Do we trust? Do we trust
Speaker 1: New York with that media market and all that pressure
Speaker 1: and everything that they're able to do to be able
Speaker 1: to bring in a guy who probably in a best
Speaker 1: case scenario would have some time right to sit and
Speaker 1: maybe learn the position, but we all know that's very
Speaker 1: rare for today's quarterbacks when they come in have to
Speaker 1: be ready to rock. That is a scenario that I
Speaker 1: think is very likely to play out, and unfortunately for
Speaker 1: Zach Wilson. I think that will play out unfavorably for
Speaker 1: him and unfavorably for the Jets because I don't have
Speaker 1: a lot of faith in that team to be able
Speaker 1: to upgrade at the positions that they need to and
Speaker 1: and be able to protect him, be able to run
Speaker 1: the football, be able to They need to add a
Speaker 1: lot offensively to get that to to a position where
Speaker 1: you can fairly evaluate the quarterback because they need they
Speaker 1: need some corners, they need an edge rusher, they need
Speaker 1: a quarterback, and I also I think they need some
Speaker 1: office a line. The question is going to be how
Speaker 1: are they going to maneuver themselves through the off season,
Speaker 1: which Robert salis what I love hearing is he's going
Speaker 1: to run the same type of offense like Kyle Shanahan.
Speaker 1: So that tells me that they're gonna not allow as
Speaker 1: much pressure to be the onus on the quarterback. So
Speaker 1: that's good for sure. But who's gonna be that running
Speaker 1: back that they can depend on? Who can who can
Speaker 1: execute that zone scheme offense that they want to run?
Speaker 1: Who are the lineman because whatever they were running last
Speaker 1: year it didn't fit them. So I'm not sure is
Speaker 1: the zone? Do they have the zone scheme type of
Speaker 1: guys this year? And how's it gonna look? So is
Speaker 1: it the scenario that they they draft Zach Wilson and
Speaker 1: and and keep Sam Donald and and allow him not
Speaker 1: to play? Oh man, I hope for Sam Donald he
Speaker 1: gets an opportunity to go start fresh somewhere. I think
Speaker 1: it's just it's it's it's soured so quickly in New
Speaker 1: York and quickly. Yeah, and to your point, like, yes,
Speaker 1: Robert Salo wants to run what Kyle ran in San Francisco,
Speaker 1: but Kyle's not in New York. Okay, So it's like
Speaker 1: it's one of those things. It's like, yeah, to to
Speaker 1: the scheme conversation we had earlier, and there was a
Speaker 1: point at which we were hiring coaches who had like
Speaker 1: touched Sean mcveigh's hands, right, because it was like, by proxy,
Speaker 1: it will be Sean McVeigh. Right. It's the same thing
Speaker 1: with Shanahan where these a lot of guys start getting
Speaker 1: credit for things that they don't necessarily get credit for
Speaker 1: or shouldn't get credit for, and you don't really know
Speaker 1: how much of it is going to be able to
Speaker 1: transfer over right, And I don't I don't necessarily like
Speaker 1: uh that scenario for New York. Now, on the flip side,
Speaker 1: I would love to see John Lynch and Kyle Shanahan
Speaker 1: get real dicey to trade up to get Zach Wilson,
Speaker 1: of which we know they like him. M mm. So okay,
Speaker 1: we skip where did Justin Fields go? Then? What what
Speaker 1: do you like him to go? Uh? That's that's the
Speaker 1: that's the tougher one, right because it's like, I you're
Speaker 1: gonna you're gonna hit your sign back there. Uh Where
Speaker 1: do I want him to go? Where do I think
Speaker 1: he will go? Are two different? Both both okay, alright, alright,
Speaker 1: Well where do I think he will go? Is um
Speaker 1: more than likely. I think he's gonna fall a little bit,
Speaker 1: and there's gonna be a team that's gonna move up
Speaker 1: that will end up facilitating a trade. So I don't
Speaker 1: think that. I think there's been a lot of trades
Speaker 1: in the first round because there's quite a few teams
Speaker 1: that are up in that top ten that don't need quarterbacks,
Speaker 1: and I think they're going to get out right. That's
Speaker 1: what happens, right, These guys all come in, We're like,
Speaker 1: oh yeah, you got a second round, third round grade
Speaker 1: and it doesn't matter. They're all going to go in
Speaker 1: the top ten picks. This is how it happens every year.
Speaker 1: We can pretend it will be different, but it never is.
Speaker 1: So I think, you know, be interesting to see a
Speaker 1: team like a Washington potentially move up and get a
Speaker 1: guy like Justin Fields right where they could potentially have
Speaker 1: him sit for a little bit and learn, and you
Speaker 1: almost play out the exact same scenario that played out
Speaker 1: in Kansas City, where maybe Alex Smith plays for a
Speaker 1: period of time or a whole year in Justin end
Speaker 1: up playing. That's the guy who Yeah, I just don't
Speaker 1: really like I know that they say that, but I
Speaker 1: just don't. I don't really believe that. Honey. I think
Speaker 1: he's I think he knows that offense is better than
Speaker 1: any out on there. You don't think it was like
Speaker 1: two seconds of fame, right, you don't feel like it
Speaker 1: was just like a little bit of magic for a moment.
Speaker 1: And how was some of the passing he was throwing magic?
Speaker 1: You've seen the office a line. Yeah, you've seen a
Speaker 1: lack of run game that they have for sure. I
Speaker 1: just like, I don't know, I just don't believe it.
Speaker 1: It's like to me, I want to see it a
Speaker 1: little bit more right before. That's why you gotta let
Speaker 1: him play to see it. He did it a little
Speaker 1: bit in Carolina. Yeah, he did a little bit in Washington. Okay,
Speaker 1: hadn't you know, give him a year and see and
Speaker 1: then if it doesn't work out. I trust Ron, right,
Speaker 1: I trust Ron to make I trust Ron. I'm just
Speaker 1: I'm just interested in seeing how Scott does because Scott knows. See,
Speaker 1: that's a guy who knows that system. That's the only system.
Speaker 1: Scott knows his dad's system. That's the only system he knows.
Speaker 1: So let's go to um. Two guys I think are
Speaker 1: very interesting, non mobile Jones and and the young stud
Speaker 1: Air Quotes who has never really played against great competition,
Speaker 1: Trade Lane. I'm excited about tred Lance. Who you want
Speaker 1: to start with? Mac Jones or Trade Lance. That's called
Speaker 1: trade lance because here's here's the comparison, NFL comparison that
Speaker 1: that I've heard. He has Taysom Hill with legitimate arm talent.
Speaker 1: It's so funny to me that Taysom Hill is being
Speaker 1: used as an NFL comp is absolutely fantastic. But that's
Speaker 1: the fact that it's being quantified by saying that you
Speaker 1: can actually throw the football. That's actually a compliment. That's
Speaker 1: a good thing. Is it is it? Is it a
Speaker 1: compliment to where they're using your name and then they're
Speaker 1: saying with a legitimate arm talent. But this is a
Speaker 1: guy who is a Swiss army knife, but yet they
Speaker 1: utilize him more in a non traditional quarterback way than
Speaker 1: you would like. If you're quarterback, that would be like,
Speaker 1: I'm a wide receiver, but they only primarily put me
Speaker 1: at running back. Then that doesn't really that doesn't really
Speaker 1: show that to have a lot of confidence in me, receiver. Listen,
Speaker 1: I I will drive the trail Lance Hype one. He
Speaker 1: obviously suffered from the fact that North Dakota State did
Speaker 1: not play football. It's absolutely one game that's a huge
Speaker 1: factor for him. Not his fault. Not his fault, right,
Speaker 1: So you have to it's unless unless you are blaming
Speaker 1: COVID on him. No, I am not. I'm not just
Speaker 1: making sure and I'm actually shocked that North Dakota State
Speaker 1: did not find a way to play football. They tried,
Speaker 1: they really really tried, um, but they only had one
Speaker 1: football game, so that really that hurt him, right, But
Speaker 1: he has been training. He has been training with my
Speaker 1: boy Quincy Avery for a while. He's been out of
Speaker 1: QB takeover, doing a lot of you know, getting himself right,
Speaker 1: doing everything he can to stay in shape and put
Speaker 1: himself in the best position he can't. If you watch
Speaker 1: his twenty nineteen film, you're gonna see some of the
Speaker 1: most impressive film of the quarterback bunch, right, and that's
Speaker 1: the film you have to evaluate. You have to go
Speaker 1: back and you have to look at that. And I think,
Speaker 1: as we talked about earlier, a little bit of the
Speaker 1: helmet scouting is happening right where we've had Carson Wentz
Speaker 1: most recently come out and obviously uh is coming off
Speaker 1: of a terrible football season, um, and so people are
Speaker 1: looking at that and going, well, he's going to be
Speaker 1: Carson Wentz? Right, which version of Carson Wentz is he
Speaker 1: gonna be Carson Wentz? Carson on because if he's seen
Speaker 1: Carson went and we're talking about m v P caliber,
Speaker 1: we're talking about this version. Now, let's break down accuracy,
Speaker 1: because here's a problem with accuracy. If you're telling me
Speaker 1: that's your biggest weakness is accuracy and your quarterback, that
Speaker 1: is like I love using food. You are a cook
Speaker 1: and you cut your average and twenty meals a day,
Speaker 1: you're cooking twenty els and about every four meals just
Speaker 1: piss poor. That's not good. No, it's not good. If
Speaker 1: playing quarterback and accuracy is your biggest weakness, that's not good.
Speaker 1: Especially if you're that wide receiver going across the middle
Speaker 1: and there's a middle linebacker or a safety and you
Speaker 1: go ahead and let one zing. Mm hmmm. You know
Speaker 1: who does not have to deal with that inaccuracy? Trey Lance?
Speaker 1: That receiver does? That receiver goes up like he didn't?
Speaker 1: Did it again? Lead me out to dry? Yeah, it's not. Listen.
Speaker 1: The thing with Trey Lances it was we talked about
Speaker 1: best case scenarios or places I'd like to see guys go.
Speaker 1: Where does he need to go? So I like a
Speaker 1: scenario with Trey Lance because we did not get another
Speaker 1: year of progression. I like a scenario that could play
Speaker 1: out where he goes and is drafted early UM to
Speaker 1: a team like potentially in Atlanta Falcons, where Matt Ryan
Speaker 1: is going to be the starter, and he has an
Speaker 1: opportunity to sit out for a year and get better
Speaker 1: at least a year, maybe longer, and learn from a
Speaker 1: really good starter, A new a new head coach often
Speaker 1: mind a head coach yep, who's had success in being
Speaker 1: able to take a quarterback in Ryan Tannehill who wasn't
Speaker 1: having success and turned him into a successful quarterback in Tennessee.
Speaker 1: So he's shown that he has that a Well, here's
Speaker 1: your problem with that Atlanta must find a run game
Speaker 1: very quickly. Then yes, if they do not find a
Speaker 1: run game, this success is not going to happen. They're
Speaker 1: not going to have that much success in in Atlanta
Speaker 1: if they don't get a run game. And really, that
Speaker 1: run game is needed because when you look at a
Speaker 1: Julio Jones, really, and this has more to do with
Speaker 1: less of those guys more of the surface, that artificial
Speaker 1: surface puts a toll on your body. And if they
Speaker 1: you know, Julio is gonna average about three games where
Speaker 1: something's gonna break down, not because Julio doesn't train, but
Speaker 1: that artificial surface is unforgiving and it breaks guys bodies down.
Speaker 1: For sure. I think there's they're in a good position
Speaker 1: with where they're drafting right in Atlanta to be able
Speaker 1: to do that and facilitate getting a guy like a
Speaker 1: Trail Lance with their first pick, and then because they
Speaker 1: come back around in the second round and they have
Speaker 1: that really picked that one of the top tier running
Speaker 1: backs will be there, that they could go and do
Speaker 1: that with their second overall pick and be able to
Speaker 1: add somebody that will be able to help them out significantly.
Speaker 1: So out of I haven't gotten to the running backs.
Speaker 1: But out of the running backs out there right now
Speaker 1: projected in the top twenty, who do you believe is
Speaker 1: an outstanding runner but also must catch the ball out
Speaker 1: of the backfield that can do that in a way
Speaker 1: that takes some pressure off of a Matt Ryan, take
Speaker 1: some pressure off of that offense in the passing game
Speaker 1: where they they they can run the ball and also
Speaker 1: have an outlet in the flat that can be like, uh,
Speaker 1: you know, impact player. So who's gonna be there? We
Speaker 1: love Nag Harris, right, we love Travis et n. I
Speaker 1: think there's a shot that you could potentially have one
Speaker 1: of those guys fall right in a very similar scenario
Speaker 1: as we saw that donea fall because there's so many
Speaker 1: people are quarterback hungry. Talking about Mac Jones, his biggest
Speaker 1: weakness is he's you know, he's had the opportunity and
Speaker 1: has so many great, fantastic players around him, really don't
Speaker 1: know how he handles pressure. The same way was that
Speaker 1: Zach Wilson, his his big his wing those easy situations. Yeah, absolutely,
Speaker 1: And I think you you look at that, and you
Speaker 1: also look at some of the criticisms that are now
Speaker 1: coming out about tah who came one year prior, and
Speaker 1: I think that is a fair helmet scalp because they
Speaker 1: had nearly the same weapons and a very similar offensive line.
Speaker 1: Where you're going, okay, you have to top You got
Speaker 1: two guys at least that are going to go in
Speaker 1: the first round. Right, you have two first round wide receivers,
Speaker 1: You potentially got a first round running back. You got
Speaker 1: two first round offensive lignement. I mean, it's it is
Speaker 1: a It is a dream scenario for a college quarterback. Right.
Speaker 1: And some of the things that were criticisms of Tah
Speaker 1: that are now happening right now is is he's having
Speaker 1: trouble with his progressions. He's having trouble reading some half
Speaker 1: the field. Uh, he's not getting to what he needs
Speaker 1: to get to while people are watching them. Are you
Speaker 1: breaking this down? You're like you're holding back. It's it's
Speaker 1: because I'm trying. Because listen, Miami offense fans, they get
Speaker 1: mad at me for saying that they should trade for
Speaker 1: DeShawn Watson, and I just don't understand it, Like I
Speaker 1: don't get it. Deshaun Watson is amazing and he's gonna,
Speaker 1: like you hope to it could possibly be Deshaun you know,
Speaker 1: Deshaun's DeShawn Right, I don't get that whole argument. It
Speaker 1: becomes a outstanding tool versus another version of Deshaun Watson. Listen,
Speaker 1: if I personally think, you know, first of all, when
Speaker 1: I hear names chan Gaily, I don't think of explosive offense. Yes,
Speaker 1: that that has been the issue right there, when you
Speaker 1: think of uh Charmer, Yep, you don't think of explosive offense.
Speaker 1: You really don't. I mean you think of middle to
Speaker 1: row and and so they had a guy who would
Speaker 1: teach fundamentals and you could not expect explosive offense. But
Speaker 1: the fact of the matter is, I think Jones is
Speaker 1: a little bit different where his underneath accuracy is best
Speaker 1: out of everyone in his draft. So that tells me
Speaker 1: that his ability to process things. Yeah, he may have
Speaker 1: an easy situation, but his ability to process things is remarkable.
Speaker 1: So I love the ability for him to process right.
Speaker 1: The only thing is, you know he's not let me
Speaker 1: read what my my notes saying, I have to be
Speaker 1: very careful not to come across a certain way. Um,
Speaker 1: he offers almost nothing as a runner outside of the
Speaker 1: pocket that is accurate. That's statue would be the other
Speaker 1: way to say that, right, Um, the reality is hopefully
Speaker 1: for mac right, he's going to get an opportunity to
Speaker 1: go to a team that's in a better situation. Sounds
Speaker 1: very New England new ish. I think it'd be great.
Speaker 1: Here's the catch twenty two. You hope with the catch
Speaker 1: space that New England has that they actually utilized and
Speaker 1: get it. The type of non robots that they have
Speaker 1: on defense. They get that on offense because usually offensively
Speaker 1: they have robots, you know, and then defensively are the
Speaker 1: air quotes rogue players, right, the collins that you know,
Speaker 1: the non traditional pay a guy like a Stefan Gilmour
Speaker 1: that's so unlike them. They usually get a good player
Speaker 1: until he's ready for him to get paid. Then they
Speaker 1: move on and then they yeah, they see you later, Geid.
Speaker 1: They need to go ahead and spend some money and
Speaker 1: put if they get Jones, they need to put some
Speaker 1: players around him that when he sneezes, it is a completion,
Speaker 1: it's a first down. It's the best case I think,
Speaker 1: the from a from where they're drafting right and also
Speaker 1: just I think the scenario that could play out. I
Speaker 1: think it would be good for both sides. Are they
Speaker 1: be good for both sides? That they'd be good for
Speaker 1: New England. I think it'd be good for mac Jones
Speaker 1: as long as they do what you are saying, which
Speaker 1: is they need to spend some of that money. They
Speaker 1: need to go upgrade at positions. And I know that
Speaker 1: that's they used unorthodox for them, but they need to
Speaker 1: go to the dealership and get some luxury vehicles Stambos
Speaker 1: used car dealership. Okay, I know you're trying to help us,
Speaker 1: but no, you need to go ahead and go to
Speaker 1: the good dealerships. We want Lambos and for our yes,
Speaker 1: please and thanks and see here's why you get those
Speaker 1: kind of cars. Those cars you only drive on one
Speaker 1: day of the week. Yeah, on Sundays when it's nice sunny,
Speaker 1: and when on Sundays. What a nice assumption there, Sunday
Speaker 1: drive Sunday drive some Lambos and Ferrari. You cannot take
Speaker 1: the luxury vehicle out on a Wednesday because generally going
Speaker 1: to church, you cannot be parking on Lambo outside of
Speaker 1: church going to Bible study. M hmm, all right, let's go.
Speaker 1: Let's go to my favorites Love Wide Receivers. Now I
Speaker 1: getting it picked on because of wide receivers. So I'm
Speaker 1: not I'm telling you right now people, if you're watching this,
Speaker 1: cut to it, you're watching page. I do not like
Speaker 1: any wide receivers in this draft. I think they're all fantastic.
Speaker 1: I do not like any of them. Meaning I think
Speaker 1: if you pick a wide receiver in the draft, I
Speaker 1: would say that's a great pick because because I don't
Speaker 1: want people to say, oh, Steve likes this guy over
Speaker 1: that guy. No, I just every every guy that I've
Speaker 1: watched so far, they have something that I go wow, Yeah,
Speaker 1: there's a lot of good. There's a lot of depth
Speaker 1: in this wide receivers son of depth, which means some
Speaker 1: guys are gonna get their feeling hurt. They're gonna drop
Speaker 1: to the second or third round. Yeah, it's especially when
Speaker 1: you look at some of the success that some of
Speaker 1: these guys over the last two classes are having. Even
Speaker 1: a guy like a Darnell Mooney in Chicago is a
Speaker 1: fifth round guy right coming in and playing a part
Speaker 1: right away. I mean, it's just there's a lot of depth.
Speaker 1: These guys are coming in and they're more NFL ready
Speaker 1: than we are. Well, well, I wouldn't say that depending
Speaker 1: on the guy. We're not used to a guy like
Speaker 1: Justin Jefferson coming in and already being that dude. I mean,
Speaker 1: that was an impressive rookie campaign with a a ni
Speaker 1: make offense. That's not an explosive offense. Well but see,
Speaker 1: here's see. I set you up and you didn't realize
Speaker 1: it whose offensive whose offense coordinator? But are you going
Speaker 1: to tell me that it's exploited? Gary? And when you
Speaker 1: think about Gary Kubiak his offense, there's always one wide
Speaker 1: receiver thatt ball. Ye, And it wasn't Adam Feeling. This
Speaker 1: year was always one guy another guy. You will only
Speaker 1: get about six or seven and but the main guy
Speaker 1: catch a thousand balls. That's true. No, that's accurate. That's
Speaker 1: one of the reasons why I went to Baltimore. When
Speaker 1: I went to Baltimore, I went to Baltimore. Gary Kubiak
Speaker 1: was the guy. I was like, Look, in my career,
Speaker 1: I'm used to catching seven or eight balls a year, right,
Speaker 1: I'm never really, I've only had one year of a
Speaker 1: hundred plus. Most of the time I'm catching about seven
Speaker 1: or eighty. Eighty six is a great year. Nineties not
Speaker 1: happening fifty sixties. So I understand that. So I knew
Speaker 1: going to Baltimore, if I can play with Gary Kubiak's offense,
Speaker 1: I'm great. And so with Tory, I knew Tory was
Speaker 1: the guy. So I'm like, all right, Toy is gonna
Speaker 1: catch his hundred passes. I'm gonna go ahead and catch
Speaker 1: my sixty or seventy. And I'm used to doing work
Speaker 1: with sixty or seventy. That's how it works. Okay, alright,
Speaker 1: I will facture that in as we talked about this evaluation.
Speaker 1: I appreciate that. Just to be clear, Uh, he does
Speaker 1: not like any wide receiver over the other. I'm I'm
Speaker 1: reiterating what he already said. He likes them all. They're
Speaker 1: all the same grade. He's not choosing one. They're all
Speaker 1: the same great. You know what that great is perfect.
Speaker 1: I don't want a perfect grade. I want a bawling
Speaker 1: great because perfect won't get your ass drafted, but balling
Speaker 1: will get you drafted. Balling will get you drafted. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna start adding those to the scout in your ports
Speaker 1: with balling just next to every receiver. Here's a great example.
Speaker 1: Cincinnati had a great quarterback, great guy. He's a great guy,
Speaker 1: but couldn't win in the big games. The Red Rocket himself. Yes,
Speaker 1: Mr Andy Dalton, great guy, Yeah great, love him to
Speaker 1: come to my doorstep and date my daughter. Not play
Speaker 1: any football games though. Oh it's so good, it's so good. Listen.
Speaker 1: I'm just envisioning like that is something exactly my dad
Speaker 1: would say. He'd be like that guy, perfect guy for
Speaker 1: my daughter. But I don't want him start in a quarterback.
Speaker 1: It's just, you know, it's not that's not the same equation,
Speaker 1: right that, very very rarely do those line up from
Speaker 1: the father perspective. Uh, who you want to start with?
Speaker 1: Who you want to go with? First, Let's just talk
Speaker 1: about the Let's talk about the two Alabama guys here
Speaker 1: right in, Jalen Waddle and DeVonta Smith. Um. I wanted
Speaker 1: to play you against yourself here and make you pick one,
Speaker 1: but that is not happening. We decided. Remember we're only
Speaker 1: talking about how we like everybody the same. I love
Speaker 1: how you had a plan, but I had a plan.
Speaker 1: Been in a lot of horror movies already. No, Listen,
Speaker 1: I'd love to know, obviously from the wide receiver here,
Speaker 1: what stands out with Jalen Waddle and DeVonta Smith because obviously, uh,
Speaker 1: DeVonta Smith had an unbelievable college campaign this year and
Speaker 1: was he did? And And what what I find interesting
Speaker 1: is if Waddle wouldn't got hurt, would Waddle been in
Speaker 1: a position that DeVante Myth would have been in. It's hard,
Speaker 1: it's hard to say. No, it's hard to say. But
Speaker 1: what you have to understand is they played in a
Speaker 1: great scheme and they they both flourished. But when I
Speaker 1: look at wild one of the things one of the
Speaker 1: biggest weaknesses is experience, right, And here's the experience. And
Speaker 1: if you look up the definition of experience, I love this.
Speaker 1: It says known and feel that can come with good
Speaker 1: coaching staff. Great example of of knowledge and feel with
Speaker 1: with experience is no offense. No offense. Was not a
Speaker 1: was not a very good past catching tight end out
Speaker 1: of Iowa. He was not known for what he has
Speaker 1: known for right now. He is not a guy. He
Speaker 1: was not a guy that you said we have to
Speaker 1: watch out for him. And that means he got coached up.
Speaker 1: He took the coaching and experience started to allow his
Speaker 1: knowledge and field to make him a pro bowler, make
Speaker 1: him a make him a threat a offensive threat, offensive weapon.
Speaker 1: Imagine what will happen if Denver upgrades at a quarterback position.
Speaker 1: That might be nice too, it would be, but then
Speaker 1: that also requires them to upgrade an offensive coordinator as well.
Speaker 1: I don't necessarily believe it's all locked, but I don't
Speaker 1: think it's lock is all a blame. But also don't
Speaker 1: think past Schermer's as good of a coordinator's. He keeps
Speaker 1: getting all these jobs. It's fair. He's one of those guys.
Speaker 1: He keeps getting jobs and people are upset with him
Speaker 1: after a year or two. He does it every year.
Speaker 1: And they had a little special magic that year that
Speaker 1: he took from Minnesota and kind of got himself that
Speaker 1: head coaching job in New York, Right, and then hit
Speaker 1: yeah and then back to reality. Okay, I want to know,
Speaker 1: from your perspective on Jamaar Chase, who a lot of
Speaker 1: us like as as the top guy, but sat out
Speaker 1: this year, right, how much does that hurt him coming
Speaker 1: into this process, because obviously you know you don't think so.
Speaker 1: I don't think so, because of what he's put on
Speaker 1: film prior to now. If he was a guy, if
Speaker 1: he was a guy like could Darius Tony that could
Speaker 1: hurt him. But what he's put on film, he's a
Speaker 1: top ten He's a top ten guy. He's a special
Speaker 1: player all around. Um, what he can do. And then
Speaker 1: you also, but here's the thing, you can't remove what
Speaker 1: he what he's done with a top tier quarterback, with
Speaker 1: Joe Burrows. Yeah, for sure, you know has sneaky speed,
Speaker 1: has he will have no trouble if he continues to
Speaker 1: work out and do what he does, he will have
Speaker 1: no trouble maneuvering himself through NFL corners. Um. Some of
Speaker 1: the NFL comparisons that I think, obviously outside of the
Speaker 1: off the field issues, this guy was on his way
Speaker 1: to be a dynamic player is justin black men mhm.
Speaker 1: There are sometimes off the line though he doesn't really
Speaker 1: and I think that's more of coaching. He doesn't because
Speaker 1: he's playing. Sometimes he's just he's playing. He can play
Speaker 1: so well and with Joe Burrows and there was so
Speaker 1: much better than teams that he sometimes will you know
Speaker 1: what we call casually come off the line. So he
Speaker 1: didn't always attacked with menace, but when he did turn
Speaker 1: it on, you saw it. So he just just a
Speaker 1: little stiff. But I mean, you know, when you're six
Speaker 1: two pounds, you're a little stiff. He's also a sophomore, right,
Speaker 1: so he's not He's still young still heck still growing
Speaker 1: as well, So I really like him. Plays with strength though.
Speaker 1: I really love the strength that he plays where goes
Speaker 1: up to the to the catches the bars at the
Speaker 1: highest point. Really love him. The thing though, switching back
Speaker 1: to the Alabama guys, I think Waddle has that ability
Speaker 1: and arguably the most explosive all around player out of
Speaker 1: these guys other than Kyle Pitts. And we'll get into him.
Speaker 1: He if you just put Kyle Pitts and you use
Speaker 1: the word tight in with him, that's just disrespectful. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's a disservice to how how much of an impact
Speaker 1: he's going to have on an offense. He is the
Speaker 1: prospect as much as all the wide receivers that are phenomenal.
Speaker 1: He's the guy I'm most excited about man with um
Speaker 1: Philadelphia getting Yeah, that'd be I mean, obviously Philadelphia needs
Speaker 1: some offensive weapons made a lot for sure. Davante Smith.
Speaker 1: Oh here's the thing that that that really is interesting
Speaker 1: to me. And they say, um M small mhm. He
Speaker 1: is He's not Um, he's not thicking the upper or
Speaker 1: lower body. He's still has still fill in. But imagine this.
Speaker 1: I was five nine one seventy two and I had
Speaker 1: to actually eat and like take protein to gain weight.
Speaker 1: Now you know, forty two years old, and I'm balancing.
Speaker 1: I'm I'm running my tail off to keep keep myself
Speaker 1: below two hundred pounds, right, because you just learned how
Speaker 1: to do it and your body gets used to it.
Speaker 1: But I mean what DeVante Smith could do off the line? Yes,
Speaker 1: the scheme um one of the interesting parts though, And
Speaker 1: I have to go to my nose because this was
Speaker 1: really cool and this is this is the geek in me.
Speaker 1: So people say, oh, he was in the scheme, right,
Speaker 1: So just last year, just last year, in the regular
Speaker 1: season and postseason, he had eight hundred seventy one total snaps.
Speaker 1: Do you know how many times he was in the slot.
Speaker 1: Let's go three seventy but you know how much out
Speaker 1: wid five hund five times. So that lets me know
Speaker 1: that he can dominate at his size. Because the guys
Speaker 1: that you are drafting, right, the Patrick Sir Tan the
Speaker 1: second had to cover him outside. So he knows how
Speaker 1: to utilize his He needs to utilize his hands more.
Speaker 1: But that's coaching five D five snaps, so out wide
Speaker 1: week four forty five times week week five, seventy seven
Speaker 1: times week four or forties forty four times forty six,
Speaker 1: fifty three, forty seven, twenty five. I love that because
Speaker 1: it shows he's not a gadget guy like people think
Speaker 1: he is. He played in a slot, but that really
Speaker 1: where he made his bread and butter, where he made
Speaker 1: his draft status. Is that work on outside that that
Speaker 1: like I like to call it that big boy work.
Speaker 1: He did plenty of big boy work. I think the
Speaker 1: people that are knocking him, it's it's what we do
Speaker 1: every year. Right, you're looking for things to criticize about
Speaker 1: the players because that's you're trying to project and see,
Speaker 1: you know what he's going to be able to do
Speaker 1: in the NFL. And I understand, Yes, he's slim, right,
Speaker 1: he's a slim guy. It you know, Buck probably dripping
Speaker 1: wet um. But he's you know, he's still growing, right,
Speaker 1: there's still gonna be progress that has made throughout his
Speaker 1: you know, he's a young kid getting a real weight regiment.
Speaker 1: But here's a he could fit it any scheme. You
Speaker 1: know why he has what teams love, and I'm telling
Speaker 1: you it happens all the time. Sincinnati's done it. I
Speaker 1: got called out in the draft, I mean a combine
Speaker 1: because I was talking about Henry Rugs how fast he was.
Speaker 1: I was like, hey, John Ross is fast too. But
Speaker 1: here's what the league always salivates over speed. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean they will their kidney for speed. You can do.
Speaker 1: Can I'm not saying he can't. Davante Smith can catch,
Speaker 1: but teams will do whatever it takes. If a guy
Speaker 1: has speed, they get their left kidney if he can run.
Speaker 1: Because the cold in him I'm talking about I'm talking
Speaker 1: about in CVS. Walgreen's ride aid all of them rolls
Speaker 1: of flu shots right there, that they'll still they'll still
Speaker 1: draft him because that it's because they're going to tell
Speaker 1: themselves that they can coach everything else, but they can't
Speaker 1: coach that speed, right, you cannot, And that's what the
Speaker 1: that's what they're gonna tell themselves. And I understand that
Speaker 1: to a degree. So interesting guy though. Cad Darius Tuny
Speaker 1: because very shifty, but he's always seen to be a
Speaker 1: little bit off balance. For me, we like him a
Speaker 1: lot um. He's he's a guy that I would consider
Speaker 1: a riser, right, somebody who's had some some good opportunities
Speaker 1: over the last even coming out of some of the
Speaker 1: more impressive conversations of the last six weeks, I'd say
Speaker 1: with with Senior Bowl and everything that's going on, I
Speaker 1: think these are He's he's one of those guys that
Speaker 1: people have had a lot of positivity coming out and
Speaker 1: and he's been rising up the draft boards. Um, you know,
Speaker 1: he battled some injuries, you know, nagging shoulder stuff, so
Speaker 1: that's gonna play a part in trying to see who
Speaker 1: he's going to be. But you know, we have him
Speaker 1: listed as you know, a wide receiver three and in
Speaker 1: a vertical attacking scheme, and that's that's what they that's
Speaker 1: what the scouts are looking at him and thinking that
Speaker 1: he's going to be able to play a part of
Speaker 1: He's listed as around one guy. Um, there's actually we've
Speaker 1: got Rondelle Moore, Rashaan Bateman, k Darius Sony and then
Speaker 1: the three guys we've already spoken about. So six guys,
Speaker 1: six wide receivers in the first round, which is Bateman
Speaker 1: and and and today's are very interesting because both of
Speaker 1: them can catch Tony I like his after catchability, but
Speaker 1: he lacks polish and you can with some good coach
Speaker 1: and become smooth. But he's always slipping. That's because he's
Speaker 1: planning so hard. He's gotten so much Atta boys, and
Speaker 1: how elusive he is that he's always trying to do
Speaker 1: the home run, and he goes sometimes east and west
Speaker 1: too much. You have to you can't can't. You can't
Speaker 1: build a house by taking the bricks off. You just
Speaker 1: gotta catch the ball, go for So sometimes he does
Speaker 1: that too much. But I think you know, with the
Speaker 1: right coaching, that can get him out of it. The
Speaker 1: only thing though, and and here's my comparison, you know who.
Speaker 1: He reminds me of a herky jerky version of Peter
Speaker 1: Wark herky jerky, because Peter was Peter Peter Work was smooth.
Speaker 1: Peter Peter Work was not fast, but he was smooth.
Speaker 1: And he put I'm putting hurkey jerky inside of what
Speaker 1: we're doing. From now, he can move, He can get
Speaker 1: out of any problem, but he's always like he'll get
Speaker 1: out of a problem and then he'll slip halfway through. Go.
Speaker 1: But look at his film, he'll give na I'm gonna
Speaker 1: go try and quantify exactly what you're talking about. Because
Speaker 1: I love hurty jerky. It's my new favorite terminology because
Speaker 1: when you watch him, he'll give a guy who move
Speaker 1: off the line, like I seen him give him a move.
Speaker 1: He gave a rocker step two steps off the line
Speaker 1: and hit a slant, but then he failed slipped. I
Speaker 1: can't be doing that. But because he's he's emphasizing a
Speaker 1: move so much, he he'll put his foot in the ground. Joke,
Speaker 1: someone get extra five or six more yards in near slip. Right.
Speaker 1: So that's why I say herky jerky. He's just ricky jerky.
Speaker 1: I think that's fair. That gives a good description of
Speaker 1: of what what's happening. He's definitely manage me of Peter
Speaker 1: Ward that he can just go out there and make
Speaker 1: some place. He's not gonna wire you a speed, but
Speaker 1: he's gonna wire you with his ability to just play ball.
Speaker 1: Ability to play ball. Herky jerky all new new, uh
Speaker 1: new terminology coming to the draft network. I told I
Speaker 1: told everybody that that's gonna there's gonna be Steve Smith
Speaker 1: uh all wide receivers get balling underneath here. That's that's
Speaker 1: my other other draft takeaway from this is balling and
Speaker 1: hurkey jerky new favorite things are we going to talk about?
Speaker 1: Because this is, if I'm being honest, here the thing
Speaker 1: I was most excited about because this position, I'm hoping
Speaker 1: you can pick one or the other. Right, So we're
Speaker 1: not picking water receivers, but from a cornerback lens. Right,
Speaker 1: when you're looking at the position that you, as the
Speaker 1: wide receiver is going to have to go up against. Right,
Speaker 1: there's a couple of guys that were in the top
Speaker 1: tier range, very close to each other as far as
Speaker 1: overall scouting grade. Right, Caleb Farley from Virginia Tech, Patrick
Speaker 1: Surtan from Alabama. The third guy, J. C. Horne from
Speaker 1: South Carolina. So those are the three guys I got.
Speaker 1: Who of these guys, uh, most impresses you. Here's my
Speaker 1: real football answer. It really depends on what offense a
Speaker 1: m I am. Yeah, that makes sense right, because Patris
Speaker 1: certained the only question is how how how much topping
Speaker 1: and speed does he have? That's it. Yeah, that's the
Speaker 1: only question you have as a wide receiver. You're in trouble.
Speaker 1: That means you have to go in your bag of
Speaker 1: tricks and you gotta pull them all out for all
Speaker 1: seventy place right. You look at his lineage, his DNA,
Speaker 1: his pop played against uh, his dad killer m. His
Speaker 1: dad has obviously been in his life and teaching him.
Speaker 1: He's also his son is taken the coaching of great coaches,
Speaker 1: his dad and all that stuff, and he's applied it.
Speaker 1: That doesn't always work. Second generation football players are very
Speaker 1: few because they've grown up a different type of way.
Speaker 1: They've grown up with all those natural abilities that they
Speaker 1: don't always work as hard. Sometimes you're I've told my
Speaker 1: kids this, your name will get you in the door,
Speaker 1: but if you don't work hard, that name and gets
Speaker 1: your thrown out the door too. And just and Patrick
Speaker 1: has done a great job. He's technically advanced, he's smart,
Speaker 1: he's long. It's hard to find negatives when you're talking
Speaker 1: about him. It's hard. It's hard to find things you
Speaker 1: don't like. He's It's these top three guys, especially the
Speaker 1: top two, especially Caleb Farley, Patrick Sir Tan there really impressive.
Speaker 1: But really his weakness is tackling. M hm use six
Speaker 1: one two oh five. You gotta tackle. Yeah, No, that's
Speaker 1: a big that's a big issue for him. It's a
Speaker 1: big issue for him. Have any he's long length and
Speaker 1: he's a lunger. Yeah, no, that's that's accurate. Lunging means
Speaker 1: you're trying to compensate for something. And then when you
Speaker 1: do his NFL camp, Drake Kirkpatrick had a tough here
Speaker 1: in Arizona. But he can play. Yeah, you can play
Speaker 1: for sure, but when he starts to launch, that's where
Speaker 1: he gets yourself in trouble. So you hope, you hope
Speaker 1: for him that he can get a little bit you know,
Speaker 1: depending on what coordinator is going to, what what system
Speaker 1: he can coach, you can get coached up a little bit.
Speaker 1: Right Where the other two I think you hope, right,
Speaker 1: the other two guys think you're able to understand that
Speaker 1: they can come in and play a bigger part earlier
Speaker 1: on where you're looking at, you're gonna want to see
Speaker 1: more progression. Right, That's where I put the two top
Speaker 1: two guys in Tier one, and then I think you
Speaker 1: drop it off for j C and everybody else past
Speaker 1: that point. But you know, Caleb Farley is exceptionally impressive.
Speaker 1: Played quarterback earlier on in his in his football career
Speaker 1: and makes the transition to cornerback. He's got a really
Speaker 1: high grade for us. The guys really really like him.
Speaker 1: Here's the issue. What's the issue? You talk to people
Speaker 1: and what did they say? His best year was in?
Speaker 1: Absolutely I don't love that. Mm hmmm, I don't love that.
Speaker 1: Your best is in and your weakness is press man experience,
Speaker 1: but you have the physical attributes that say you should
Speaker 1: be impressed all the time. The question is why isn't
Speaker 1: the impressed? But he has a makeup speed? M So
Speaker 1: is it is it? Is he? Is it lazy? Or
Speaker 1: is it the coaching staff the way they taught him
Speaker 1: how to play? I don't know. I wasn't there, but
Speaker 1: press experience but has makeup speed. That's a little bit
Speaker 1: risk reward. Why is the risk reward like that? Because
Speaker 1: usually the when you're afraid to press up, that means
Speaker 1: you don't have the makeup speed. So which guy do
Speaker 1: you like more? Then? Do you like Curtain more? Do
Speaker 1: you think he's already? I like Curtain more because you
Speaker 1: gotta stay in the NFL family. You got to check
Speaker 1: the DNA, and you know what the DNA is, and
Speaker 1: then you look at the film and they all aligned. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and obviously coming from a big boys school, big boy conference,
Speaker 1: understands has the pet degree. Big yeah, big boy mindset
Speaker 1: for sure. That's I mean wide receiver in cornerback. You
Speaker 1: have to have a certain swagger to play that position.
Speaker 1: You have to have the mental confidence to be on
Speaker 1: that island by yourself. Take reset in line back up,
Speaker 1: because it's the easiest thing for everybody to see when
Speaker 1: there's a mistake made right there. It's the easiest. You
Speaker 1: don't have to be scouting NFL high level. You can
Speaker 1: watch an average fan and they can go, hey, they
Speaker 1: missed that route. Look at that cornerback. It's the easiest
Speaker 1: position for somebody to look and go, oh, they made
Speaker 1: a mistake. Right, You're on an island. So it's also
Speaker 1: one of the places you can get yourself paid the
Speaker 1: most in the NFL if you elevate to the highest level. Well,
Speaker 1: thanks for the time. You got anything to say. You
Speaker 1: gotta exit. I gotta exit. Listen to everybody that wants
Speaker 1: to check out and and see everything that we're doing.
Speaker 1: Just go to the draftwork dot com. Right, it's the
Speaker 1: time of the year, where um, the guys have We've
Speaker 1: done The guys have done an exceptional job scouting the
Speaker 1: players all year long. I gotta. I went and looked
Speaker 1: at your website and got all this stuff down and
Speaker 1: uh printed up, and I was like, man, I pretty
Speaker 1: impressive of of of how you got them ranked and
Speaker 1: all that stuff. So I I cheated and use some
Speaker 1: of that information. Listen, that's what it's there for. That's
Speaker 1: my own for my own benefit. Listen, we got some guys.
Speaker 1: We've got guys that worked with Scott Pioli and Bill
Speaker 1: Belichick and Oregon Football. We got a lot of a
Speaker 1: lot of great guys that have done I'd have lost me.
Speaker 1: I'm a you talk guy. Come on now. So I
Speaker 1: appreciate joining the podcast again and hopefully everybody enjoys the
Speaker 1: rest of draft season. Sure to be a lot of
Speaker 1: free agency moves, a lot of quarterbacks on the move,
Speaker 1: a lot of quarterbacks that are gonna go in the
Speaker 1: first round. It's always fun for the fans. So I
Speaker 1: hope everybody enjoys it. Well. I appreciate it. Page, Thank you,
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