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Speaker 1: Hey guys.

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Speaker 2: Here we are back on normally the show with normalish

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Speaker 2: takes for when the news gets weird. I am Mary

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Speaker 2: Katherine Ham.

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Speaker 3: And I'm Carol Markolitz. How's it going, Mary Catherine.

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Speaker 1: It's going all right.

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Speaker 2: The University of Georgia Bulldogs are SEC champions and going

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Speaker 2: to a playoff that does not include Alabama, So sorry,

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Speaker 2: Alabama fans.

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Speaker 1: I know I'm taking a cheap shot at this moment.

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Speaker 2: In your life, but it's like one of the first

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Speaker 2: times that this has happened to y'all.

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Speaker 3: I am very happy for the sports ball whatever this means.

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Speaker 2: You're celebrating with me. My Ki's watched it with me

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Speaker 2: and they have about the same take on it as

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Speaker 2: you do. But I felt their solidarity with me exactly.

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Speaker 3: Actually, I would say that my kids and I root

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Speaker 3: for Georgia because of you, but also because of that

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Speaker 3: song where the girl falls in love with somebody from

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Speaker 3: Tennessee and then starts wearing his Tennessee stuff, And my

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Speaker 3: kids are just like, that is not done. No switch

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Speaker 3: team allegiances because we get married.

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Speaker 1: That's crazy.

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Speaker 2: That song is called Tennessee Orange and it is a travesty.

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Speaker 2: And your children are correct, they have the correct moral compass.

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Speaker 2: It's right, and I can't believe that it's about a

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Speaker 2: Georgia football fan and a female Georgia football fan, which

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Speaker 2: makes me it's like.

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Speaker 1: A pox on my house and I don't appreciate it.

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Speaker 3: Right. I think that song attacks you personally.

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Speaker 2: It sort of does, like girl, pull it together. You

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Speaker 2: don't have to wear that color orange. You have a

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Speaker 2: beautiful flowering red.

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Speaker 1: That you can exactly right.

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Speaker 3: So, as we're recording this, just a few minutes ago,

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Speaker 3: the charges against Daniel Penny were dismissed in New York.

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Speaker 3: Daniel Penny, for those who don't know, is the man

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Speaker 3: on the subway who protected an entire subway car full

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Speaker 3: of people from a belligerent homeless man, Jordan Neely, and

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Speaker 3: for his bravery, he's been accused of crimes and so

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Speaker 3: he's been on this trial. It's been a long time.

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Speaker 3: On Friday, the jury was unable to reach a verdict

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Speaker 3: on the main charge of manslaughter, and when they came back,

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Speaker 3: they said, we're unable to reach the charge. Unable to

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Speaker 3: reach a verdict on this charge. The judge dismissed that

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Speaker 3: charge and asked them to consider the lesser charge of

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Speaker 3: criminally negligent homicide, which they came back today and said,

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Speaker 3: not guilty. Now, I try to say that it's unusual

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Speaker 3: to do that, and from what I've read, it's almost

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Speaker 3: never done where you just.

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Speaker 1: So unusual, no one could find a precedent for it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so they dismissed. I'm dismissing the bigger charge and

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Speaker 3: asking the jury to consider a smaller charge. Daniel Penny's

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Speaker 3: lawyers had called for a mistrial. The judge said no,

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Speaker 3: And so it's interesting that it worked out the way

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Speaker 3: it has. I am super relieved. I mean that's the

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Speaker 3: Extreme relief. I'm so happy for him and his family.

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Speaker 2: This is one of these moments where when this originally happened,

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Speaker 2: and as the trial progresses, it's one of those moments

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Speaker 2: where I feel most out of step with the left

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Speaker 2: and this country is on issues of self defense and

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Speaker 2: this this kind of incident, because there will be a

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Speaker 2: very quick gelling of public opinion that this guy does

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Speaker 2: something wrong with him Daniel Penny, and I go. My

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Speaker 2: immediate reaction is he did the correct thing.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, they're allowed somebody would do on our subway car.

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Speaker 2: Yes, you're allowed to defend yourself and others, and in fact,

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Speaker 2: defending others at risk to your personal safety is bravery,

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Speaker 2: it's honorable, and so to watch this happen makes me

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Speaker 2: sick to my stomach to watch people dragged through this.

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Speaker 2: There was another incident where a bodega owner, also almost

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Speaker 2: prosecuted by Alvin Bragg in New York, shot someone who

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Speaker 2: in rikers at least briefly until public outroar got him

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Speaker 2: charges dropped. But Bragg routinely lets criminals slide and then

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Speaker 3: That's right. He is known for basically making crime legal

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Speaker 3: in New York City, where it's very hard to get

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Speaker 4: Now.

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Speaker 3: But these examples that you've given are exactly who he

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Speaker 3: targets he needs to go. I'd like to see some

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Speaker 3: larger campaign against him. This last election has shown that

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Speaker 3: the country wants to move in a different direction, and

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Speaker 3: that includes Donald Trump moved New York City right ward.

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Speaker 3: He got more votes than he did in the previous

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Speaker 3: it's still a deep blue city, so he's not going

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Speaker 3: people have had enough. They don't want to live in

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Speaker 3: a place where the criminals get off and then the

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Speaker 3: guys trying to stop crime are the ones who get punished.

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Speaker 3: And I think that includes New York. I'm from South Brooklyn.

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Speaker 3: It's you know, where I grew up, and that's a

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Speaker 3: redder every election because people are trying so hard to

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Speaker 3: vote themselves out of that madness. So I know that

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Speaker 3: you have to picture these areas that are really trying

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Speaker 3: and working and getting better all the time. Who are

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Speaker 3: they're in the minority, yes, but they're doing their very

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Speaker 2: And I think a lot of people reacted in cities.

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Speaker 2: I think that's partly why the swing was strong in

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Speaker 2: a lot of cities, we're reacting to the on the

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Speaker 2: ground results of governance by very far left Democrats, and

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Speaker 2: the product is bad. The product is bad and often

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Speaker 2: dangerous for good people who are trying to live and

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Speaker 1: Daniel Penny's a.

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Speaker 2: Twenty four year old former marine who probably saved a

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Speaker 2: couple people from at least like from who knows what

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Speaker 2: all that point because he was right, but Neeli came

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Speaker 2: someone's going to die today and ranting, and a lot

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Speaker 2: of people the witnesses testify to hiding and praying while

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Speaker 2: he was on the car with them, so he was

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Speaker 2: restrained and then this death happened. I just think that

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Speaker 2: the more you tell people that this bad product is

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Speaker 2: whether it's schools or city governance or this kind of thing,

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Speaker 3: I agree. There's also the factor where we want people

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Speaker 3: not to be bystanders, right. There's a lot of like

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Speaker 3: when something goes wrong, we're like, why didn't anybody do anything?

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Speaker 3: And Daniel Penny did do something, and he was punished

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Speaker 3: and it's the reality is that I think a lot

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Speaker 3: the kind of people that do step in and say

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Speaker 3: something is going wrong here, I'm going to help. That's

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Speaker 3: very hard to do when they see the good guys

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Speaker 3: get punished, and that's a concern for us all.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And by the way, the process is also a punishment.

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Speaker 2: He did come out in the end not guilty here,

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Speaker 2: I think rightly. But living in New York is going

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Speaker 2: which is where he was making his life. The can't

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Speaker 2: imagine what he's spent. And I have assumed that others

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Speaker 2: The process is very stressful and painful, and I'm very

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Speaker 2: glad that he will be able to make a new

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Speaker 3: You know, I recommend Florida. So Daniel Penny, come on

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Speaker 3: down to Florida. We are waiting for you.

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Speaker 2: Shall we talk about another weird Manhattan crime incident. Yes, so,

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Speaker 2: the CEO of United Healthcare to Health insurance Company, one

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Speaker 2: of the giants, Tom Brian TOFs, was murdered in cold

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Speaker 1: We get a pretty.

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Speaker 2: Decent look at the face, but it looks like a

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Speaker 2: targeted execution. The discourse post execution has been another thing

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Speaker 2: that makes me feel out of touch with a lot

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Speaker 2: very okay with people to go straight from cold blooded

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Speaker 2: murder to well, don't get me wrong, I don't love murder.

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Speaker 3: Right right, I just tolerate it in certain cases.

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Speaker 2: But didn't the murderer kind of have a point because

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Speaker 2: healthcare and I reject that pivot.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, right. And what's interesting is that there's so many

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Speaker 3: journalists posting that. I forgot who tweeted it, but somebody

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Speaker 4: Yeah?

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Speaker 3: If we're just killing people that whose professions we don't like,

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Speaker 3: journalists are in trouble. There's also this, you know, a

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Speaker 3: lot of the left lives out this French Revolution thing

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Speaker 3: And this one guy yesterday on X was saying like, oh,

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Speaker 3: And somebody said red Illinois or blue Illinois and he

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Speaker 3: be on the right side of that revolution up against

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Speaker 1: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, and I think that the rhetoric is kind

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Speaker 2: of how our elite folks sort of shield themselves from

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Speaker 2: the two houses accusation. Right, They're like, I so woke

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Speaker 2: that I can't be bad. Right, But it's it's bad

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Speaker 2: to pivot, may it's bad to celebrate murder, which some

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Speaker 2: people did, and be it bad to pivot from a

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Speaker 2: murder to your preferred policy prescriptions. I don't think that's convincing.

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Speaker 2: I think it's pretty gross, and I don't doubt that

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Speaker 2: we have problems with our health insurance and healthcare regimes

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Speaker 2: in this country, which I was reliably told we're fixed

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Speaker 2: by Obamacare entirely.

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Speaker 3: I was going to say, I think you've written some

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Speaker 3: of the best stuff that I read about how bad

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Speaker 3: it got with Obamacare and how it affected you personally.

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Speaker 3: I think I know you should relink that piece at

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Speaker 3: some point, because it really was one of the better

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Speaker 3: ones on it. And yeah, like the health care policies

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Speaker 3: that you don't like were put in place by Obama.

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Speaker 2: Well that's what the story is, that healthcare was fixed.

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Speaker 2: But also we're so angry about healthcare we need to

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Speaker 2: murder people in vigilante attacks. This doesn't make sense. And

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Speaker 2: I do think look, if the target of something is

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Speaker 2: like sort of approved disapproved by lefties, is a right

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Speaker 2: coded target, then we very quickly can move on from

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Speaker 2: the actual violence, whether it's an assassinationship attempt don Trump

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Speaker 2: or this to the thing the left wants to talk about,

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Speaker 2: and if it or the other way around, No, you

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Speaker 2: don't get to pivot to talking about tax cuts.

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Speaker 3: My dude, that's not how Yeah, yeah, that's absolutely. They

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Speaker 3: use this violence for their own political means and it's

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Speaker 2: Deny, depose, defend right the letters, allegedly messages allegedly etched

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Speaker 2: Until recently, this woman was a leading light of American journalism,

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Speaker 2: Can we talk a little bit about the vibe shift.

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Speaker 3: There's a vibe shift, for sure, the.

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Speaker 2: I want to play us a clip of Lana del Rey,

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Speaker 2: Was like hanging with a bunch of people whose values

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Speaker 3: But what you're saying is really interesting, is it is

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Speaker 3: It's something that I don't think she would be able

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Speaker 2: But I would like to just step out and say, Alana, enjoy,

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Speaker 2: However, it felt like he when Trump was meeting with

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Speaker 3: This time he's the man in charge and everybody knows it,

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Speaker 2: By the way, there's a trajectory here from our first story,

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Speaker 2: which was the Daniel Penny incident. Happened in May of

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Speaker 2: twenty twenty three. Now, if you had asked me before

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Speaker 2: I checked it, I would have thought it was earlier

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Speaker 2: than that, because it felt very twenty twenty twenty twenty one. However,

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Speaker 2: I think it shows how long the sort of hangover

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Speaker 2: was from peak Cancel, woke culture and this type of prosecution.

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Speaker 2: So the idea that we're here now it feels like

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Speaker 2: a different world from when Daniel Penny was charged.

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Speaker 3: I agree, like right, really feels lighter. Everything feels better.

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Speaker 3: I know I don't attribute it just to Donald Trump's win,

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Speaker 3: but there again, it's the vibe shift. There has been

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Speaker 3: a shift in perspective, and I think that did lead

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Speaker 3: to Donald Trump's win. But everything feels a lot more hopeful.

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Speaker 3: I know that that's a word the Democrats get to us,

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Speaker 3: but you know, maybe the right conclaim it is their

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Speaker 3: own for.

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Speaker 2: Now, hope and joy and maybe a little change.

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Speaker 1: I like it.

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Speaker 2: Well.

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Speaker 3: Thanks for joining us on Normally. Normally airs Tuesdays and Thursdays,

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