Speaker 1: Welcome to Nightcall, a production of I Heart Radio. It's
Speaker 1: eight pm in a swimming pool in St. Petersburg, Florida,
Speaker 1: and you're listening to Nightcall. Welcome to Nightcall, a podcast
Speaker 1: for your Rose Courts Days and Carnelian Knights. I am
Speaker 1: Emily Oshida. I am here in Los Angeles and with me,
Speaker 1: as always, are Tess Lynch and Molly Lambert. And this
Speaker 1: week we are joined by our special guest, Jane Marie.
Speaker 1: She is the creator and host of the Dream Podcast.
Speaker 1: The first season we have talked about on the show
Speaker 1: talked about multi level marketing schemes and the current second season,
Speaker 1: which is about to wrap up, right sweet about the
Speaker 1: wellness industry again, we've talked about that. We are obsessed.
Speaker 1: We're a big fan. So thank you so much for
Speaker 1: joining us today. Welcome, Thanks for having Yeah we uh,
Speaker 1: we've been talking about wellness influencers and Goop and all
Speaker 1: sorts of stuff like that. UM, but we had a
Speaker 1: question about going back to your first season, UM and
Speaker 1: the MLMs. We had a night email from a listener
Speaker 1: and she writes, I have a lot of family and
Speaker 1: friends who have joined MLMs and have also taken dumb supplements.
Speaker 1: Despite my protests that these are dumb and expensive. My
Speaker 1: sister has poured money into m lms. It always fizzle
Speaker 1: out near um our bond some amwe website. My ex
Speaker 1: husband would take this liquid supplement Sea Silver religiously, even
Speaker 1: when I said there's no proof it worked. Then the
Speaker 1: company had to pay four point five million in FDC finds.
Speaker 1: And even after that, my X still wouldn't admit that
Speaker 1: he was wrong. I don't know how to get over
Speaker 1: for only that I was right and they were wrong
Speaker 1: and they won't admit it. Any advice on what I
Speaker 1: can do. Wow, that well, that's a whole I mean,
Speaker 1: this is advice for your whole life. Just like relationships
Speaker 1: something to do with UM MLMs, I'd say, you can't
Speaker 1: control anybody. Yeah, that's my advice that you'd move on
Speaker 1: from that idea, especially because these are I'd compare sort
Speaker 1: of mlm s and being really into wellness with like
Speaker 1: faith based belief systems. Try changing that for anyone UM
Speaker 1: and not saying that you're a messiah of some sort
Speaker 1: of just trying a regular person to like d program
Speaker 1: someone out of their religion. It's impossible. But the bigger
Speaker 1: piece of advice is just like mind your own business. Um,
Speaker 1: you did like a little bonus season in between the
Speaker 1: first and second season, and I remember you had an
Speaker 1: episode that was like about a guy who specifically kind
Speaker 1: of he gets people out of but then he was
Speaker 1: kind of also talking about how like a lot of
Speaker 1: the same techniques apply to getting people out of m
Speaker 1: l M s. And it's like you can't be like
Speaker 1: you were so stupid to get hoodwinked or whatever. It's tricky.
Speaker 1: I mean you have to. By the way, my favorite
Speaker 1: cult extractor who's on Dr Phil all the time is
Speaker 1: named Rick Ross. Actually he's awesome anyway, Ross right right,
Speaker 1: I just read a hurricane Have you checked it out?
Speaker 1: His autobiography. I wasn't fascinating large type did really easy
Speaker 1: readons didn't get anybody out of a cult. Now, Um,
Speaker 1: quite the opposite. Um, Now I think like, yeah, you
Speaker 1: have to meet them where they are and be like,
Speaker 1: of course, I can see why this is something you
Speaker 1: might be into. Let's talk about the ways that it's
Speaker 1: made your life smaller or whatever that it's made it,
Speaker 1: you know, made stress on your relationships. But in my experience,
Speaker 1: like when you're talking about life and which is what
Speaker 1: wellness is talking about. Um. That's a pretty good counter
Speaker 1: argument from believers, which is like, well, if I don't
Speaker 1: do this, I'm going to die. And you're like, so
Speaker 1: you're killing me by trying to get me out of
Speaker 1: this weird cult. And then you have to just say
Speaker 1: drink your silver and see silver. Do people just send
Speaker 1: your podcast to family members? I tell them to all
Speaker 1: the time. I'm like, hey, listen, my family listened to it.
Speaker 1: They still love me. Um. People are smarter than you
Speaker 1: give them credit for. I think what you need to
Speaker 1: remember about people who are involved in m l m
Speaker 1: S or super into wellness, a lot of them are
Speaker 1: brilliant geniuses, like legitimately really smart worldly people. So don't
Speaker 1: treat them like babies when you want to talk to
Speaker 1: them about a disagreement. Treat them like the educated people
Speaker 1: that they're claiming to be and say like, look, here's
Speaker 1: a different opinion, and if not, if nothing else, they'll
Speaker 1: like at least have like something to yell at you
Speaker 1: about the next time you guys hang out together. But
Speaker 1: people are smart enough to hear criticism and then either
Speaker 1: take it or move on. This again seems like great
Speaker 1: general advice as well. Yeah, yeah, treat your audience like
Speaker 1: they're smart. Um. I wanted to ask you about what
Speaker 1: the newest wellness trends that you have seen have been.
Speaker 1: You mean, don't drink water? People who don't drink water? Wait,
Speaker 1: there was an article is this dry fasting or whatever?
Speaker 1: Y fasting? Nothing sounds of work. I learned about it
Speaker 1: from an article that was like the wellness influencers who
Speaker 1: don't drink water and that's their thing. Okay, First of all,
Speaker 1: all of their before photos look like they had a
Speaker 1: real good night out the night before, you know what.
Speaker 1: Like that that's their their eyes, eyes are puffy or whatever,
Speaker 1: and they look tired, or they're retaining water, maybe for
Speaker 1: some other health reason. Why is your body retaining water?
Speaker 1: Why are you bloated? Maybe? Like look into that and
Speaker 1: instead they're just like, oh, I can add this to
Speaker 1: my list of eating disorders. Like I don't have to
Speaker 1: call it what it really is. I can call it
Speaker 1: dry fasting, or I can say I've only drink you know,
Speaker 1: but don't even people with eating disorders drink water normally.
Speaker 1: This is like the idea of someone being like no water,
Speaker 1: it's just a new eating disorder. All of this stuff
Speaker 1: isn't eating. Doesn't water good for you? I don't want
Speaker 1: to drink that much water. But as soon as you
Speaker 1: said dry fasting, I was like, Wow, I'm so thirsty
Speaker 1: for water. Maybe it's a great kind of reverse psychology thing.
Speaker 1: I just got to get that mad Max Fury road body.
Speaker 1: I love water, and also I can't live with was
Speaker 1: a water addict. When I was going to labor and
Speaker 1: they were like, you can't have water, just ice chips
Speaker 1: at this certain point in labor. This is the worst
Speaker 1: part of having anxiety when someone says you can't have water.
Speaker 1: After I went to the dentist and they were like,
Speaker 1: don't drink anything through straw because you might like bite
Speaker 1: your tongue off when they give you prepared you for
Speaker 1: the novocaine. I just it is scary. Anytime they're like,
Speaker 1: don't do a thing, You're like, I have to just
Speaker 1: reading the article. But I also love water well at
Speaker 1: least like dry fasting doesn't sound like it involves buying anything,
Speaker 1: quite the opposite. So it's like Firth, you go on
Speaker 1: the Goop website, I'm sure, okay. So we're arguing about
Speaker 1: Goop a lot on nightcall there's a pro group flank.
Speaker 1: It's actually it's just me test is more on your side.
Speaker 1: I'm in the middle. I don't think that Gwyneth is
Speaker 1: Joe Rogan, although someone else on Twitter after moll wasn't
Speaker 1: you Okay, I don't think I personally find her less
Speaker 1: objectionable than Joe. Criminals, Okay, that's fine. I think, Um, well,
Speaker 1: that's it. I just took a super long criminal who
Speaker 1: sells fake cures for ill illnesses that could kill people
Speaker 1: if they don't like what I mean. Well, for one,
Speaker 1: she's familiar with like the Yoni eggs and stuff and
Speaker 1: starting like that's a light thing. Besides that, it was
Speaker 1: saying that it would control hormones, which are something you
Speaker 1: should tap into and think about if you're going through
Speaker 1: perimenopause or menopause, and it could mean any amount of
Speaker 1: I mean, you can have like hormone or flora issues
Speaker 1: that have to do with cervical cancer or that have
Speaker 1: to do with like other serious illnesses, and claiming that
Speaker 1: these things would cure that. Um, there's other things where
Speaker 1: it's like, don't take these ten antibiotics. She promotes colloidal silver,
Speaker 1: the stuff that turns you blue. Yeah, I didn't know
Speaker 1: that silver is that the same thing as sea silvery.
Speaker 1: It's it's silver particles suspended in water, and over time
Speaker 1: it builds up in your cells and permanently turns your
Speaker 1: skin blue and does pretty much nothing else. It's toxic
Speaker 1: to your body and does nothing else, Like it used
Speaker 1: to be used back in the Again, these are all
Speaker 1: like medieval cures or whatever, like, yeah, exactly, you used
Speaker 1: to put silver on on wounds. Um, And I guess
Speaker 1: I'm not sure of like the action of it, but
Speaker 1: like it can prevent bacterial infections but antimicrobial but not
Speaker 1: anti virals to drink, yeah, and your pillow com it's
Speaker 1: for the four humors. Yeah. So Gwyneth, I mean like, look,
Speaker 1: I don't think she's actually like went out and murdered anyone.
Speaker 1: But I don't think she's careful enough about the products
Speaker 1: that she sells, and I don't think she doesn't due diligence.
Speaker 1: And I think she puts ideas out there that's like whatever,
Speaker 1: try whatever works for you, and you're like, you know what,
Speaker 1: you're talking to cancer patients That to me is the
Speaker 1: Joe Rogan thing. And it's not just them, it's a
Speaker 1: lot of like cable talk shows, or they'll just be like,
Speaker 1: let's have a personnel in selling something obviously bad and
Speaker 1: like give them their say, well, you build a giant platform,
Speaker 1: and then anything that seems as though it fits with
Speaker 1: your brand you kind of welcome in. So I say,
Speaker 1: on Shark Tank, they always shut that ship down to
Speaker 1: me because my hero on that stuff where he's like,
Speaker 1: show me the papers, show me the stuff, and then
Speaker 1: he's like, get out of here, you're a fraud. I mean,
Speaker 1: be nice. Mark. That's a weird best friend too, because
Speaker 1: it helps make the rest of the stuff they do
Speaker 1: look more legitimate. It's also like they're selling you like
Speaker 1: dumb garbage he needs you don't have that, but they're like,
Speaker 1: we will not sell you in your blood yeah, or
Speaker 1: something that says like you're never going to get another cold,
Speaker 1: or like this will help your dog not get cancer. Anyway,
Speaker 1: I am so anti It actually makes me want to
Speaker 1: cry as I start talking about her, because first of all,
Speaker 1: she has other ways of being famous that she's really
Speaker 1: good at. She can just act, and that still also
Speaker 1: makes a lot of money. I don't understand she can
Speaker 1: do nothing and still have a lot of money. The
Speaker 1: idea that you have to like, the idea that she
Speaker 1: feels compelled to step in as a basically as a
Speaker 1: medical professional, is um. I think, yeah, I think that
Speaker 1: there's like a whole side of this that has not
Speaker 1: like she's never discussed, but I've just sort of like
Speaker 1: put it together through context. And I think that she
Speaker 1: has probably gone through some fucked up ship with like
Speaker 1: her own healthcare and stuff. I think that people turned
Speaker 1: to alternative medicine sometimes, but I think I think specifically
Speaker 1: for her, she started group like after she had had
Speaker 1: her kids. I talked about this when we had our
Speaker 1: big group discussion, and UM, and she thought she was fat.
Speaker 1: She described herself as having a but she also like
Speaker 1: had severe postpartum depression, and I don't think that she
Speaker 1: was probably like getting the help that she needed for that.
Speaker 1: And I think, I don't know. I mean, I think
Speaker 1: also now we know she had a hard time as
Speaker 1: an actress and in the industry, and I think I
Speaker 1: can imagine getting like having a genuine existential crisis where
Speaker 1: you're like, what if I am called to do the
Speaker 1: thing completely different besides just being an actress like everybody likes. UM.
Speaker 1: I mean, I have a little bit of sympathy for
Speaker 1: her with that, Like I think, so I think, be
Speaker 1: that person. Don't sell me anything, you know, don't don't
Speaker 1: give health advice. You're not a doctor. Don't go on
Speaker 1: doctor oz. We all know. I feel like that's the
Speaker 1: thing too. It's like when when Goops started, to my mind,
Speaker 1: it was more about like what are the fancy hotels about,
Speaker 1: like this fantasy rich person life of Like what are
Speaker 1: these like the most expensive, nicest like accessories that are
Speaker 1: every month or yeah. But it was like I sort
Speaker 1: of understood it as like you read it as this
Speaker 1: lifestyle porn of like what's it like to be a
Speaker 1: person who's just like so wealthy all they do is
Speaker 1: go on vacation and buy stuff and not have to
Speaker 1: buy any of the stuff to feel that. But at
Speaker 1: a certain point it definitely became more about like health
Speaker 1: and wellness in tune with general trends around that, uh
Speaker 1: that are sort of like pseudo feminist, which is what
Speaker 1: I find offensive about it. Also, it's also one of
Speaker 1: the big defenses people say, well, it's okay that she's
Speaker 1: you know, selling fraudulent stuff or making fraudulent health website.
Speaker 1: She's getting young girls to look at their vaginas, and
Speaker 1: it's like you can have one without the other. I'm
Speaker 1: so sorry, but you can still be super famous one
Speaker 1: with Paldrow and get young girls to look at their vagina.
Speaker 1: It was just like culture goes to high school health classes. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Like my question is do you how aware do you
Speaker 1: think that she is? She's fully aware, but I mean, like,
Speaker 1: do you think that she has conviction that she's right?
Speaker 1: What was that last lawsuit that you were posting about. UM?
Speaker 1: The most recent one, um Well Truth and Advertising found
Speaker 1: that she violated her order to stop making false health
Speaker 1: claims and they found like fifty new ones on the
Speaker 1: website in the in the last few months. UM. Last
Speaker 1: year was the Jade settlement out of court um and
Speaker 1: where they they did this kind of like fuck you
Speaker 1: response where they ended up posting these like kind of
Speaker 1: short health articles with like a bibliography that's like five
Speaker 1: pages longer than the article itself to be like see
Speaker 1: all of the evidence. But then they're still selling stuff
Speaker 1: in their shop. UM and anyway, they violated their agreed
Speaker 1: upon out of court settlement court order to stop making
Speaker 1: unsubstantiated fault health claims, and UM, I just think like,
Speaker 1: I'm sorry that got me off track. What was the
Speaker 1: question before that? I mean I was just curious about
Speaker 1: like because you're saying it's like she can if so
Speaker 1: this is something that comes up also with the people
Speaker 1: who own mlmah. I feel like I don't know anyone
Speaker 1: like these people for a reason. They're not my friends.
Speaker 1: They're not my friends. My family members are their victims.
Speaker 1: But I've met, I've brushed up against I think similar
Speaker 1: personality types to these sorts of folks, and it always
Speaker 1: feels wrong and like you need to get out of
Speaker 1: the room as fast as you can. I don't know
Speaker 1: what that is. I don't know if that's the if
Speaker 1: that's an answer to your question, But I don't know
Speaker 1: what she's thinking because I'm always curious, Like like as
Speaker 1: you said, I mean, I don't have in my inner
Speaker 1: circle anybody who like is actually hawking MLMs. But friends
Speaker 1: and acquaintances have tried to sell me MLMs mostly like
Speaker 1: the young living kind of stuff, and it's hard for
Speaker 1: me to even tell it a certain yes, yeah, it's
Speaker 1: young living the essential oils. Can you explain that for
Speaker 1: listeners who might not know you can get young living oils?
Speaker 1: Is a Christian essential oils company who's founder, um Gary Young,
Speaker 1: killed his baby in a water birth where he left
Speaker 1: her underwater for an hour in his unlicensed wellness clinic
Speaker 1: in Spokane, Washington in the early eighties, and then went
Speaker 1: to jail. And then uh took off from Spokane, moved
Speaker 1: to southern Califor when you started a vitamin company, then
Speaker 1: moved to Tijuana to start a cancer clinic where he
Speaker 1: analyzed people's blood in the from samples they sent him
Speaker 1: in the mail, and then he would tell them what
Speaker 1: kind of cancer they had and then either cure them
Speaker 1: remotely or charge them ten thousand dollars to come to
Speaker 1: his clinic and be fully cured of their cancer. He's
Speaker 1: like the craziest villain. I actually feel like he may
Speaker 1: have been covered on behind the bastards, which if he was,
Speaker 1: I think he was. Yeah, I'll link it. I didn't
Speaker 1: know that. I thought you meant like maybe he poisoned
Speaker 1: him with essential oil. But also there's a huge overlap,
Speaker 1: and we've talked about this on the show before, and
Speaker 1: I know that it probably comes up a lot for
Speaker 1: you as well, But as a mom, you're targeted, and
Speaker 1: Emily brought it up in terms of like the postpartum
Speaker 1: depression and when you're particularly vulnerable to that kind of stuff.
Speaker 1: But there was just today an article I think NBC
Speaker 1: News about the free birth thing. I don't know if
Speaker 1: you saw that, but it's like a horrible it's just
Speaker 1: a horrible and it and it you know, in terms
Speaker 1: of talking about like making false medical claims and kind
Speaker 1: of tying it in with like the idea of well,
Speaker 1: if you know, why not try it? If it's like
Speaker 1: because a woman was going on Facebook as she knew
Speaker 1: her baby was dying because her duel and midwives were like,
Speaker 1: don't go to the hospital, don't go to the hospital,
Speaker 1: and she was like asking like these Facebook groups and
Speaker 1: her and everyone was like just feel you feel it.
Speaker 1: Your body is just doing And also she was a
Speaker 1: month overdue with any obstetrition. Would never let someone do.
Speaker 1: But I mean, it's when you talk about the dangers
Speaker 1: of of you know, goop and stuff like that, it
Speaker 1: is true that the way that this kind of leads
Speaker 1: into like how women and mothers in particular are targeted,
Speaker 1: and then the danger that that brings with it is
Speaker 1: I want to say, also there's like a different sector
Speaker 1: of this that involves like rich white women scams that
Speaker 1: are like more on the group side. And then there's
Speaker 1: also people that I'm like, I understand like why people
Speaker 1: seek out alternative medicine. Like the whole medical system is
Speaker 1: definitely like super were screwed up, super screwed up, super racist,
Speaker 1: not organized around women's kneed, especially like women of color.
Speaker 1: You know, like when people yeah, again, it's like it's
Speaker 1: not like a failing of somebody that they don't find
Speaker 1: American medicine to be like fully satisfying. And I think
Speaker 1: that there's a there's a definite, like legitimate reason to
Speaker 1: look elsewhere. I think, Um, I wish that Gwyneth palt
Speaker 1: would sit down and in front of me and I
Speaker 1: could shake her and be like, this isn't about beauty
Speaker 1: and youthfulness and being skinny and being pretty and having
Speaker 1: nice skin. Think for like two extra seconds about what
Speaker 1: you're actually telling people these products can do, and think
Speaker 1: about who might be buying them and who you might
Speaker 1: be hurting. Yeah, I just thought no one could afford them.
Speaker 1: You'd be surprised. I went to the Group Store and
Speaker 1: the Brentwood country Mark when there was like a pop
Speaker 1: up of it they're just like out of curiosity, and
Speaker 1: I was like, there's an audience for this stuff. It's
Speaker 1: like a solid gold BUILDO want to know about the dildol.
Speaker 1: Dildos also doesn't say does it say like it does anything?
Speaker 1: It does? I don't know. Let's look it up. I'm
Speaker 1: sure it cannot be anti microbial. It's a very soft metal.
Speaker 1: While you look like that up, Jane, We're going to
Speaker 1: take a quick break and when we come back, we're
Speaker 1: going to talk about um gold dildos and old people
Speaker 1: and peoples. We're back. Um. So it turns out the
Speaker 1: gold dildo is not a Goop product. It's just sold
Speaker 1: on group. But it's called and it costs. There's a
Speaker 1: couple of different versions. I think like lives matters size,
Speaker 1: Like is there like a gold plated version if you're
Speaker 1: like on a budget? I bet. I mean if I
Speaker 1: were the manufacturers, I would do it doesn't say like
Speaker 1: it attracts cosmic vibrations of the universe. No, it has
Speaker 1: a bulbous end to stimulate your G spot or something
Speaker 1: like that. I should hope. So I'm make sure the
Speaker 1: only person buying it is someone who wants Okay, now
Speaker 1: this person is so gross. We don't like this person,
Speaker 1: but like, it's a dude who wants to use it
Speaker 1: as like a paperweight on their desks. Oh my god,
Speaker 1: you know that guy? Yeah, kind of funny joke. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we have some other scary health news. Um that came
Speaker 1: out in an article in Jezebel. Um. A new report
Speaker 1: found that on demand therapy app Better Help, as well
Speaker 1: as some other therapy apps, have been sharing sensitive and
Speaker 1: personal information with third party apps. Yeah it's great, isn't it, um,
Speaker 1: I will from the article. Facebook, for instance, is alerted
Speaker 1: every time a person opens the app, essentially signaling to
Speaker 1: the social media company how often we were going to
Speaker 1: a session and when we booked our appointments. To confirm
Speaker 1: Facebook's retention of this information, we downloaded personal data from
Speaker 1: Facebook and identified the associated records from Better Help. During
Speaker 1: a session with a therapist, we found that metadata from
Speaker 1: every message, though not its contents, was also sent to
Speaker 1: the social media company, meaning that Facebook knew what time
Speaker 1: of day we were going to therapy, are approximate location,
Speaker 1: and how long we were chatting on the app. M See,
Speaker 1: this is another one of these things like that, Because
Speaker 1: there's a few of these, right there's like talk space.
Speaker 1: U is talk Space? Did they have the I think
Speaker 1: talk space was mentioned I want to use something creepy guys. Sure,
Speaker 1: But after I sent you this article, I got asked
Speaker 1: for it in my Instagram and yes, do you Siri? No,
Speaker 1: but I was she typed it, you googled it. I
Speaker 1: may have googled the word suicide at some time recently
Speaker 1: that started serving me ads for therapy and I thought
Speaker 1: that was really funny. It was when were you talking
Speaker 1: last night? Yeah, okay, um, not no worries everybody. We
Speaker 1: were talking about something different. Um. But but I was like,
Speaker 1: that's so weird that it's like, hey, feeling bad, I'm
Speaker 1: a computer. Well. I think also that I think that
Speaker 1: these apps really the way that they sell themselves, because
Speaker 1: I've heard I've heard podcast ads for talk Space and
Speaker 1: stuff like this, um, is that they take advantage of
Speaker 1: the very very true fact. Again, this is like all
Speaker 1: the wellness industry things that it is so fucking hard
Speaker 1: to get a therapist. It takes forever, it's expensive. Uh,
Speaker 1: it's usually not covered or the coverage is like very
Speaker 1: like a morphous like somebody can say they're covered by
Speaker 1: one thing on their website, and they're not when you
Speaker 1: actually ask them, um, And I think that that's like
Speaker 1: a genuine frustration, and like people talk about like I
Speaker 1: think that there's more of a conversation about mental health
Speaker 1: now than there has been in the past, and everybody
Speaker 1: like people destigmatizing therapy and like encouraging people to go
Speaker 1: to therapy. But it's so hard to go to therapy
Speaker 1: even if you couldn't afford it um, which a lot
Speaker 1: of people can't. And I think it's like very it's
Speaker 1: very insidious that like these apps are taking advantage of
Speaker 1: that to like sell like and the cost is just
Speaker 1: your personal in for bucks an hour, right, So they
Speaker 1: got to make up the difference somewhere because they're real therapists.
Speaker 1: On the other end of the line, there are they. Yeah,
Speaker 1: there are people who maybe somewhere remost not just a
Speaker 1: smarter child. Well, the other thing is, so the information
Speaker 1: is you're assigned a number, so it's your name is
Speaker 1: not being revealed until the FBI asked, but it's also
Speaker 1: being shared. Your data is being shared with an analytics
Speaker 1: and research company called Mixed Panel, which um Jezebel's report
Speaker 1: kind of suggests might be the basis for a chunk
Speaker 1: of the book Uncanny Valley as like you know, her
Speaker 1: kind of lamenting having worked for a surveillance company. Um,
Speaker 1: but they received information and that had been made anonymous. However,
Speaker 1: they had more information this analytics firm, so they knew, um,
Speaker 1: how old we were, whether we considered ourselves spiritual or religious,
Speaker 1: financial status, sexual orientation. This is also very similar to
Speaker 1: a practice run by a super famous cult who signed
Speaker 1: we can see out the window here, but we don't
Speaker 1: have to name in case because we've already talked enough
Speaker 1: about them. We're in Hollywood, California, Hollywood. Um. But it's
Speaker 1: like a blackmail. It could be used that way. You're
Speaker 1: telling it sensitive information you might not want people to know,
Speaker 1: and then you're trusting it to not use that against you.
Speaker 1: You know, when I fall asleep to Twilight Zone every night,
Speaker 1: like nothing feels like far off from what they were imagining.
Speaker 1: I know, Chwilot sounds a little optimistic, the most depressive, honestly,
Speaker 1: do you guys? Follow William Gibson on Twitter? He wrote
Speaker 1: all follow the great cyberpunk books and he's always like,
Speaker 1: holy fuck, what's happening? Where You're just like, oh, come
Speaker 1: on Yeah, the guy to the Dystopian Future is like, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I think like it's interesting to really consider the dangers
Speaker 1: of this because it's it's not always obvious, it's not
Speaker 1: always what you think could be the worst case scenario.
Speaker 1: I mean, I think like in the article they kind
Speaker 1: of point out that a combination of financial status and desperation,
Speaker 1: you can paint a picture of a potential consumer who
Speaker 1: could really easily be trapped in misled into doing horrible things.
Speaker 1: Like it's you initially think like, oh, my privacy, but
Speaker 1: you know, it's really what it's saying about trends and
Speaker 1: about like groups that I think is is scared and
Speaker 1: the Gwyneth Paltrow at that company to make themselves feel
Speaker 1: like a good person could say, well, we're using the
Speaker 1: analytics to target ads for people who may not have
Speaker 1: access to original conventional therapy to make themselves. That's what's
Speaker 1: dangerous about like so much Silicon Valley stuff as being
Speaker 1: like okay, well we have no social infrastructure anymore in anywhere,
Speaker 1: and like so they thank you, yeah that the book
Speaker 1: that it creates like gaps in the market that can
Speaker 1: then be monetized. When it's like, no, what it needs
Speaker 1: to be is like free and available to everybody. I
Speaker 1: just think like between this all the ancestry um and
Speaker 1: the what's the other I just want to say I
Speaker 1: call that on Molly Sleazy Friends with Create a Long Worth.
Speaker 1: In the first episode, we both went on the record
Speaker 1: saying we would never give our to the Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I I mean I know somebody who is doing the
Speaker 1: ancestry stuff right now, and it's such an It's again,
Speaker 1: these are like very emotional vulnerabilities to take advantage of
Speaker 1: with people, because people who like you know, in this
Speaker 1: case of this person was adopted and doesn't have any
Speaker 1: idea like with and like that's a very big existential
Speaker 1: human questions, super sympathetic, super understandable, and that you know,
Speaker 1: you're kind of blinded to the like the idea of like,
Speaker 1: oh my information might be sold is sort of feels
Speaker 1: abstracted compared to the idea of like, well I could
Speaker 1: figure out who I am, though, like I guess who
Speaker 1: runs ancestory dot com. The Mormon's yeah, really yeah, Well
Speaker 1: that's bad they're not They're they're got some racism going
Speaker 1: on in there. Because I saw there was like a
Speaker 1: really scary campaign because I feel like it's like they've
Speaker 1: maxed out all the people who would use twenty three
Speaker 1: in me, and it's like even if you don't use it,
Speaker 1: like somebody and your family might use it, and then
Speaker 1: you're a part of the part of the chain. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Um it came up in that movie, that Netflix movie
Speaker 1: Horse Girl. Oh it's so good. Molly Shannon's character is
Speaker 1: like talking about her results from twenty three and me,
Speaker 1: although it's got another name that's really funny, play on
Speaker 1: twenty three and me, and she's like, so, I'm nineties
Speaker 1: seven percent irishcent this, and then she's like, and one
Speaker 1: percent West African, I'm African. That is also that's just
Speaker 1: what people do when they get these results, you know,
Speaker 1: it's like the first well, it's like it's all like
Speaker 1: white people who want to see if there's like something
Speaker 1: some interesting kind of non white person hidden in there.
Speaker 1: But I've also seen like this is the thing that
Speaker 1: really freaking out recently was like they are bad at
Speaker 1: tracing the lineage of people who were trafficked over as
Speaker 1: slaves exactly, and then they were marketing like, hey, we
Speaker 1: figured it out now like black people come us twenty
Speaker 1: three and me. We figured out slavery and I figured
Speaker 1: out without users. Don't I don't even just the idea
Speaker 1: that they were like marketing it specifically to a black audience,
Speaker 1: being like, come get your DNA tested. It just seems
Speaker 1: so evil and scary. But don't they also am I
Speaker 1: making this up? But don't they also kind of market
Speaker 1: it in a wellness capacity of lots of health information.
Speaker 1: I mean, the thing that's really hard. Everyone just be
Speaker 1: normal and stop being dicks. It's just like, this is
Speaker 1: the whole thing in the tech industry, but it, obviously
Speaker 1: I don't think has come into the wellness industry quite yet.
Speaker 1: But the idea of like, if something makes money but
Speaker 1: it's evil, don't do it. But what if it I'm
Speaker 1: just playing Devil's advocate. What if it? No, I shouldn't
Speaker 1: even because I was just thinking. So I had to
Speaker 1: be tested for the BRACA gene the v r c
Speaker 1: A gene um and it was crazy expectative. I'm negative,
Speaker 1: which is great, um, thank you for asking. But there
Speaker 1: are things like that where I wondered with twenty three
Speaker 1: and me I was like, obviously, I'm not really excited
Speaker 1: to give over any kind of d N A M
Speaker 1: to a weird organization, but they test for I mean,
Speaker 1: that's the thing. It's not any nine bucks. Well that's
Speaker 1: the thing too, is it's like if you're coming into
Speaker 1: the health care sector, that's horrible. But you guys know that.
Speaker 1: I'm like a big fan of heal, which is the
Speaker 1: doctor house called thing, and that is to have doctors
Speaker 1: who make house call. I I know. But it's again,
Speaker 1: I mean, it's like there's with twenty three and me.
Speaker 1: You see how that can that does like exploit a
Speaker 1: real need, you know, I mean, you're you're risking a
Speaker 1: huge thing. These blood tests that I'm sure they're collecting
Speaker 1: your DNA info as well and probably selling it to
Speaker 1: or someone. But there's all these new tests that are
Speaker 1: like spit tests or whatever for food intolerance and what's
Speaker 1: your perfect item and get the ads and you know
Speaker 1: they're taking your DNA probably right like read the fine print.
Speaker 1: I'm sure there's like some money besides what they're going
Speaker 1: to sell you back, like they're selling off something. But
Speaker 1: what if you do if you decide to be like
Speaker 1: a blood don't or you do be the match or
Speaker 1: something like that, like I am, and I'm like I
Speaker 1: need to trust you. I need to trust you be
Speaker 1: the match and but it's still it's like just the
Speaker 1: idea of how this is now emerging as a market,
Speaker 1: and you just swab yourself and send it away and
Speaker 1: you're like, okay, I guess that's that. Also, if you
Speaker 1: swap yourself, can they then replicate you in a lap?
Speaker 1: They should? Definitely, that would be it. I'd be happy
Speaker 1: to give them idea. There needs to be more of
Speaker 1: me I could. I would stay out of the sun
Speaker 1: trade faces. It would be fantastic and have a backup face. Right,
Speaker 1: never a bad idea. I keep one in my personal time.
Speaker 1: If you could twin yourself, would you? You just both
Speaker 1: said yes, kind of well, I would take the body
Speaker 1: cart from my twin to me harvest have like a
Speaker 1: whole discreet me, make sure the clone doesn't take over
Speaker 1: and start harvesting you. Right, that's well again, it's risk
Speaker 1: and reward, Polly, that's with all things. Um. We got
Speaker 1: a night text, actually a night email. We got both
Speaker 1: about something slightly less high stakes. Then making a tumble
Speaker 1: of yourself with your d n A. It's better than
Speaker 1: you than someone else, right, I'm interested to see what
Speaker 1: Jamie Rey says about this um okay uh. This is
Speaker 1: from Evan in Portland, and he is wondering if you
Speaker 1: all think that a Stop is the yuppie, urban professional
Speaker 1: version of Living Oils Pick your alternative health scam. The
Speaker 1: faux medical packaging and cultish dedication of its users just
Speaker 1: creeps me out, although I'll admit the medical claims they
Speaker 1: make aren't quite as ridiculous. But tell me this doesn't
Speaker 1: read just like a multi level marketing scam. And then
Speaker 1: there's a review of a silence facial hydrator. Was this
Speaker 1: from Esquire? Is that right? Did it? Was it an advertorial?
Speaker 1: It read at least the opener read like an advertorial.
Speaker 1: Blow your mind's right here. Beauty sections of magazines are
Speaker 1: all really just I know, but it was this one.
Speaker 1: I it seemed like an interview, but it was so
Speaker 1: advertorially in the intro party. I was like, Wow, they
Speaker 1: didn't have to disclose this. Um, what do you think
Speaker 1: of ASoP? I mean, it's not an MLM because you're
Speaker 1: allowed to sell it in stores. They have their own. However,
Speaker 1: it's owned by Natura. I don't I So I found
Speaker 1: um on an anti MLM Reddit board, just that board
Speaker 1: I'm quoting just found out one of my favorite skincare
Speaker 1: brands is owned by Natura, and I'm so disappointed. ASoP
Speaker 1: is a very high end brand of bath and beauty
Speaker 1: products and I've been a long time customer. Yesterday, after
Speaker 1: making a purchase, I decided to research the company in
Speaker 1: the hopes of picking up a part time gig in
Speaker 1: the retail store near me, only to find out that
Speaker 1: it was purchased by the MLM Natura or Natura, which
Speaker 1: also now owns the Body Shop. To my knowledge, a
Speaker 1: stop does not have an MLM component at this time,
Speaker 1: but I'm still hopping mad. Oh this is fascinating. I
Speaker 1: didn't know that. Of course, the body Shop got Bob
Speaker 1: also bought Avon, which was already and m yeah, um,
Speaker 1: this is interesting. See, I like when ASoP started to
Speaker 1: become a thing. I was just like kind of marveling
Speaker 1: at the idea of like every generation gets its body Shop,
Speaker 1: and I didn't realize I didn't mean into it that
Speaker 1: it was like the same thing. Natura is a multi
Speaker 1: level marketing company that promotes its image as an eco friendly,
Speaker 1: sustainable company. The company also uses ordinary women rather than
Speaker 1: supermodels and advertisements They don't want to pay for anything.
Speaker 1: Maybe like we're a wholesome brand, so the Natura brand
Speaker 1: itself is an MLM as well as Avon. I'm assuming
Speaker 1: stop buying everybody ASoP has a list for you. The
Speaker 1: number of companies that I think are turning into amos
Speaker 1: right now, but I don't. I don't want to. Yeah,
Speaker 1: if you see a makeup or beauty brand that is
Speaker 1: starting a campaign that sounds a little bit like a
Speaker 1: street team or representatives or you know, a brand ambassador
Speaker 1: for example, beware, I want to say that that's all
Speaker 1: super fuzzy now too, though, because of influencers, like everybody
Speaker 1: becomes a de facto. I think that's a step before
Speaker 1: it becomes an amount. I will say also that like,
Speaker 1: what is so sad about MLM culture that also like
Speaker 1: group is definitely taking advantage of, is that it is like, hey,
Speaker 1: like women like feel powerless and want to feel like
Speaker 1: you have like more control about just everything. It's like
Speaker 1: it is explaining something that's like you can be like
Speaker 1: the head executive at your own company, which is what
Speaker 1: all evil geniuses do, right. They look like in the
Speaker 1: healthcare realm, in in business and whatever you look for
Speaker 1: a vulnerable population. You sell them a bullshit story for
Speaker 1: way more money than you should, and you tell them
Speaker 1: it's they're getting a great deal on this thing. I mean,
Speaker 1: we all got suckered by, like the housing and mortgage
Speaker 1: industry doing the exact same thing. Vulnerable population. Everyone wants
Speaker 1: a house, Okay, you can do it. I'm going to
Speaker 1: give you this incredible deal and then I'm gonna abscond
Speaker 1: with the money and run away, never get in trouble.
Speaker 1: And that's just what scammers do. Scammers gonna scam, you know,
Speaker 1: they have to scam capitalist Yeah, yeah, I mean yeah.
Speaker 1: And it's worse for sure. It's like, there's not I
Speaker 1: don't think there's a way to get rid of those
Speaker 1: bad guys other than to beware and be less trusting,
Speaker 1: be less trusting about everybody and trade economy guys. Burning man,
Speaker 1: somebody's still going to stuff something full of like telcom
Speaker 1: powder and tell you it's you know, flower or whatever
Speaker 1: for forty pellets. Exactly, I mean exactly. Well, we're going
Speaker 1: to take another break, and when we come back, we're
Speaker 1: going to talk about the greatest wellness industry movie ever made.
Speaker 1: We'll be back soon. Welcome back, to night Call. So
Speaker 1: this week we watched Cocoon, film by Ron Howard. This
Speaker 1: was the suggestion of Jane Mayes. No I thought it would.
Speaker 1: I don't even remember how we got to Cocoon. I
Speaker 1: think it's for Spooky Love February. It may What is
Speaker 1: spooky love about it? Yeah, the aliens come and help.
Speaker 1: Maybe we were talking about it for next month, which
Speaker 1: is spring break March. It has a bunch of elements,
Speaker 1: It has Florida, it has a juvenating pool. It does
Speaker 1: all spring break well. Yeah, but it's like a little while,
Speaker 1: it's like a spa. It also makes you feel young.
Speaker 1: It makes the really horny love the alien lady yet
Speaker 1: and like always apprising naked, the naked Lady Raquel Welsh's daughter. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's a good transition from Speakla February into springa. Okay, well,
Speaker 1: I love this movie, um, and I was pleased to
Speaker 1: watch it no matter. The reason I've never seen it,
Speaker 1: I think is also I was like, let's do that
Speaker 1: because I love seeing big classic movies I've never seen.
Speaker 1: I love this movie, Cocoon. I really love Cocoon. I
Speaker 1: didn't know that I would still love it as much
Speaker 1: as I did when I was like seven years old,
Speaker 1: but I did, I really did. I know a lot
Speaker 1: of people who liked it from childhood. And that's so
Speaker 1: interesting to me because I think I've watched it maybe
Speaker 1: when I was like a tween or something, and I
Speaker 1: thought it was the most boring thing in the world.
Speaker 1: And every time I've watched it since then, I'm like,
Speaker 1: more and more into it, get closer. Yeah, I didn't
Speaker 1: remember what it was about. Like, okay, here's my memories
Speaker 1: of Cocoon before I revisited. Well, I didn't get to
Speaker 1: watch the first one again. I watched half of them.
Speaker 1: You have seen it. I have seen it, and I
Speaker 1: couldn't remember what the plot was. And I was sitting
Speaker 1: with my partner and we're like, what was cocoon? Cocoon
Speaker 1: was Wilford Brimley, that's for sure years old. What was
Speaker 1: an old age makeup? Everybody else was twenty years older. Oh,
Speaker 1: he was an old age makeup. The liver spots and
Speaker 1: he dyed his hair. Okay, yeah, but he didn't have
Speaker 1: to do that. But Wilfred Brimley. Um, there were people
Speaker 1: in the room when I was talking about this who
Speaker 1: had no idea who he was. So just let's remind
Speaker 1: people about diabetes, asked a Quaker oats commercial. Did your
Speaker 1: daughter not know who Wilford? She wasn't one of them.
Speaker 1: It was an adult. He also made several campaigns because
Speaker 1: he didn't want to ban cockfighting or something like that.
Speaker 1: He had like a bunch of really weird political opinions
Speaker 1: that he's very be allowed to fight each other, especially
Speaker 1: if they're gold plated. And then I remembered Guttenberg was
Speaker 1: in it, and I was like, remember when Gutenberg was
Speaker 1: the thing that was weird? But anyway, I knew there
Speaker 1: was like I completely walked out the alien part. I
Speaker 1: was like, I knew there was cocoons, and then I
Speaker 1: had something to do with stopping time or reversing time
Speaker 1: and being young again. And it was based around a
Speaker 1: retirement community. That's what I remember. Going into the sequel
Speaker 1: did not refresh anything anymore. So talk about the first one, Well, okay,
Speaker 1: the first one was incredibly hard to find, it was
Speaker 1: not on streaming, and then we just came up with
Speaker 1: a potential conspiracy about why right now thought a conspiracy
Speaker 1: it is that it is a Fox movie, and the
Speaker 1: distribution rights for a lot of Fox movies are kind
Speaker 1: of frozen in time right now because they got up
Speaker 1: by Disney. It's a lambo. I assumed it would have
Speaker 1: been on Disney Plus, but I'd be Okay, which is
Speaker 1: also Disney anyway. It was also checked out from all
Speaker 1: of the local libraries, which was crazy because I was like,
Speaker 1: they always someone who has to It was so it
Speaker 1: was so weird to be like this movie is hard
Speaker 1: to find, because yeah, it's like any Blockbuster would have
Speaker 1: like eight copies of Cocoon. You found it at the
Speaker 1: Cult Video Star, and my question is what were they
Speaker 1: doing with a copy. I was surprised they had it
Speaker 1: that it was in the sci fi section because it
Speaker 1: is a science fantasy movie like eighties movies. So Cocoon
Speaker 1: is about a group of retirees at a retirement home
Speaker 1: in St. Petersburg, Florida. Looks chill would retire, Oh my god.
Speaker 1: They like to sneak into a pool a nearby abandoned state,
Speaker 1: and then some mysterious visitors come and set up shop
Speaker 1: in this state they rented out, and they also rent
Speaker 1: a boat from Steve Guttenberg for a mysterious mission, and
Speaker 1: they start storing these things that are like these Barnarcley
Speaker 1: pods in the pool, and when the old people swim
Speaker 1: in the pool, they are miraculously rejuvenated and able to fuck.
Speaker 1: And this is like so I don't know when viagara
Speaker 1: was like introduced, but I like that this was just
Speaker 1: a movie but basically being like, what if aliens came
Speaker 1: and they gave us viagara? They no, they were spry
Speaker 1: and they cured it cured there. One of the guys
Speaker 1: had cancer in it and he was like magically in
Speaker 1: remission after swimming in the pool. So I'm saying this
Speaker 1: is a wellness industry and they are a part of
Speaker 1: the movie where they were like, damn, we should have
Speaker 1: done this sooner. Well, it didn't have the effects of
Speaker 1: the water. Only only took place once the aliens came
Speaker 1: and started storing the pods, and so they've been swimming
Speaker 1: into the pool. But I mean younger people like being like,
Speaker 1: we should get the young people in here. Why will
Speaker 1: you st petersburg Berg, I mean if you have to
Speaker 1: pause time, like, wouldn't you want to do it? He doesn't,
Speaker 1: He doesn't want to. He gets in the pool. He
Speaker 1: gets in the pool, and they has and they what
Speaker 1: does she They share each other in the female younger
Speaker 1: female love interest is yeah, Tanny will Choose's daughter. It's
Speaker 1: one of the aliens, but it's t a h n E.
Speaker 1: Listener Christina said, is this the movie where Talia Shire
Speaker 1: rips off a rubber face to show like a pure
Speaker 1: beam of light? And I was like, yes, but it's
Speaker 1: Tanny Well is Talia Shire in the signal? She just
Speaker 1: looks like Talia Shire. She has a Talia Shire looked.
Speaker 1: Christina had never seen Cocoon because that scene freak out Well.
Speaker 1: My husband, I was like, oh, I love this movie
Speaker 1: as a kid and made me cry. He was like,
Speaker 1: I was scarred forever because there's a scene where Steve
Speaker 1: Guttenberg is like kind of like being a peeping tom
Speaker 1: on the alien and she's undressing and then she takes
Speaker 1: off her skin like terminator and but the worst, the
Speaker 1: worst part is when the skin like drops to the floor.
Speaker 1: It's not even bad and she's keeling it off. It's
Speaker 1: that it's like it looks like a car. Then she's
Speaker 1: an alien and she like comes to the door to
Speaker 1: be like that you scary. That's a scary Do not
Speaker 1: like that they are, especially when they're like playing bridge
Speaker 1: because they hang out too. That's what all Peeping Tom's deserve.
Speaker 1: Someone peeled their skin suit off. That also reminded me
Speaker 1: of species and what's their point? What's their point? The aliens?
Speaker 1: What's there? What are they there? And they're coming back.
Speaker 1: They used to live on Earth in ancient times, long ago,
Speaker 1: long ago. They set up their camp and Atlantis and
Speaker 1: then that went pear shaped, and so they had to
Speaker 1: DeCamp and go to another planet. But they left a
Speaker 1: ground crew. Yeah, they left some like, yeah, some kind
Speaker 1: of watchman there in Atlantis, which apparently is off the
Speaker 1: coast of St. Petersburg, Florida. And um, and so they
Speaker 1: had they came back to just retrieve their comrades who
Speaker 1: had been left. And the comrades are in the pod
Speaker 1: and they look kind of look like they look like
Speaker 1: they look like they've been doing a dry fast. That's
Speaker 1: the base of the dry fast. They're like they are
Speaker 1: like people, um and and they're not doing that great.
Speaker 1: So they were just stopping off for a second to
Speaker 1: pick up some fronds. Yeah, because they rented the place
Speaker 1: that it was like twenty seven days. They rent the
Speaker 1: boat for twenty seven days, They rent the estate for
Speaker 1: seven it is. Yeah, it's it's it's wonderful and what
Speaker 1: we had to do it with Jane on because but
Speaker 1: it's also I have to say it is strange romantic
Speaker 1: because so these so there are couples. Um it is
Speaker 1: let's see Don Amici is art. His partner is Gwen
Speaker 1: Verdon of all people. Hello, then Will for Brimley, his
Speaker 1: wife is Maureen Stapleton. We have Hume Crownin and Jessica
Speaker 1: Tandy in real life. Um, and then we have heard
Speaker 1: a Where and Jack Guilford. Who are the couple rows?
Speaker 1: Jack Gilford sounds like Tigger from the Cartoons Front. He
Speaker 1: has just like a very cartoony voice, sounds like a
Speaker 1: like I don't know Mary cartoony in this movie. But
Speaker 1: as are they? Yeah, everyone is lovely. Everybody's a real
Speaker 1: sweetie in this movie. We also have a lot of
Speaker 1: overlap actor overlap with some night call movies that we've covered.
Speaker 1: Because Maureen Stapleton was in Reds and heard Aware was
Speaker 1: in Species, I did not know who was she. I
Speaker 1: don't know. I saw, I was like, I don't remember.
Speaker 1: But now I'm going to go in and do a
Speaker 1: podcast without looking it up. That is what I did.
Speaker 1: What I learned about this movie is that it was
Speaker 1: based on a novel and that it was originally supposed
Speaker 1: us to be directed by Robert Samakis, which makes total
Speaker 1: sense because it is super weird for a Ron Howard Movieum,
Speaker 1: but apparently Zemeckis had just come off a couple of
Speaker 1: flops and so they replaced him with Ron Howard. He'd
Speaker 1: get around to his yeah, and then he had something
Speaker 1: within it and so he got to make back to
Speaker 1: the future is um. So the reason I turned the
Speaker 1: equal off got very It got very There's this thing
Speaker 1: in sci fi. I love ziy is my favorite genre,
Speaker 1: but I think there's this thing that happens in a
Speaker 1: lot of sci fi where everyone around knows that the
Speaker 1: unbelievable thing happened, and then a slightly adjacent or like
Speaker 1: something else unbelievable happens, and then everything goes back to
Speaker 1: normal in their brains, like that can't be right, Like
Speaker 1: The Stiles, where it's like, we know aliens exist, but
Speaker 1: killer bees no crazy. So it started out with that
Speaker 1: and just kept doing that in the beginning of the movie,
Speaker 1: where I was like, I think they all got rejuvenated
Speaker 1: and died in a shipwreck. No, they got taken by aliens,
Speaker 1: but they're back. That can't be. There's a lot of
Speaker 1: incredulity at a thing that he fully established in the
Speaker 1: first I don't think Equel did they. So they come back,
Speaker 1: they come back, Okay, they just come back. How long
Speaker 1: after the first movie is the sequel supposed to take place?
Speaker 1: Not that long because the little Boy is still the
Speaker 1: little Boy and Steve Stenberg still little is the little
Speaker 1: boy from the never Ending Story. That's why he's so Bastian. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Bastian thread the other day about how to get out
Speaker 1: of quicksand and everybody was like, why didn't the words
Speaker 1: for the horse? And you can't reason with a horse.
Speaker 1: They're like, it's actually easier to get out of the sand.
Speaker 1: Let us to believe there's also a lot less quicksand
Speaker 1: the new quicksand like there's no way to get out
Speaker 1: of lava. Uh. Yeah, I that makes so much sense
Speaker 1: that this was meant to be a as a megas. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it also, like I I did, I didn't know that
Speaker 1: it was had a score by James Horner. James Horner, Yeah,
Speaker 1: but it's so obviously has a score by James Horner.
Speaker 1: It's very Titanic and one song by the guy who
Speaker 1: did Flash Dance that's like a really good song when
Speaker 1: they go to the to that song, very silly song
Speaker 1: of Cocoon Forever Young. Oh yeah, they made a music
Speaker 1: video that came out around the same time. They made
Speaker 1: a music video with all the scenes from I missed
Speaker 1: those videos or it's just clips from the movie. It's wonderful.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I didn't know that I was I've never
Speaker 1: seen Cocoon before. I had no emotional attachment to it. Um.
Speaker 1: I started just like enjoying it the whole time, definitely
Speaker 1: thinking about how I would love to live in that
Speaker 1: retirement community now. And then when they were on the
Speaker 1: boat at the end and the ship comes to take
Speaker 1: them space, I just like burst into two and was
Speaker 1: very surprised. I love how game everybody is to go
Speaker 1: to space in this That's like, that's what I mean
Speaker 1: when everybody in this movie is like a big sweedie,
Speaker 1: like they're also just like super open minded, like, yeah,
Speaker 1: let's go live with some aliens. It seems cool. This
Speaker 1: movie is the senior big chill. I like that. Well
Speaker 1: you started off. Molly turned it on and texted us
Speaker 1: it's it's the shining and I was like, I can't
Speaker 1: wait to talk about what does that mean? Just there
Speaker 1: were just a lot of scenes of like old ballrooms
Speaker 1: and uh, because all their hangouts are just these kind
Speaker 1: of like still hanging on places like big band balls.
Speaker 1: Just feels like in the eighties that would probably be
Speaker 1: the kind because that's like what they were doing when
Speaker 1: they were adults, and you know, because they just like
Speaker 1: so separate from the rest of the world, right, I mean,
Speaker 1: I think that one of the great things about this
Speaker 1: like this film is genuinely unusual in a lot of ways.
Speaker 1: But I just think like it is one of those
Speaker 1: things where you start watching it and you are just
Speaker 1: our motto, genuinely unusual. But like I mean, for like
Speaker 1: a big for like a studio film that was widely
Speaker 1: released and was a hit by all counts. Yeah, eighty
Speaker 1: five point three million, that's on a seventeen point five. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was a really popular movie. And like, but there's
Speaker 1: something like when you're just dropped down into a quartet
Speaker 1: of seniors and like just asked to go with it,
Speaker 1: it's very unusual. It's one of those things where you're like, oh,
Speaker 1: I never see a story about these sorts of people
Speaker 1: without making fun of them or the joke being that's right.
Speaker 1: And I read an article by the author of the
Speaker 1: book that Cocoon was based on. It was like a
Speaker 1: sci fi novel. Um. He is now in his eighties,
Speaker 1: and he wrote a piece for the A RP Magazine
Speaker 1: about what it's like to actually be the age of
Speaker 1: the characters, because he wrote the book when he was
Speaker 1: in his sporties, and he was like, old people are
Speaker 1: much less like sedentary than I imagine them to be
Speaker 1: in the first place. He was like, now that I'm
Speaker 1: in my eighties, like I've never stopped doing anything, And
Speaker 1: the idea that like I thought older people would like
Speaker 1: have stopped doing their you know, following their passions or
Speaker 1: wanting to have sex, is like a thing I made
Speaker 1: up that isn't true popular culture. I loved that. Well,
Speaker 1: it's also like I do feel like old people are
Speaker 1: really like either villainized in movies or sort of like
Speaker 1: a joke. Yeah, well, if it's the center of the story,
Speaker 1: it's kind of like the same thing with like that phobia,
Speaker 1: or you know, if you have a character that isn't
Speaker 1: tiny or whatever, then that's the joke of the whole
Speaker 1: movie or this movie takes on like the fear of
Speaker 1: aging in this like very beautiful and spiritual way that
Speaker 1: I was very affected by at the end, where you're right,
Speaker 1: what if people didn't die they could go to space
Speaker 1: suggests like it suggests an afterlife, like a real afterlife
Speaker 1: the way, well, it's just like a real afterlife, like
Speaker 1: I mean, basically it looks like a rapture at the end.
Speaker 1: I also had a cynical moment of like, what if
Speaker 1: the aliens are just going to do tests on them? Now?
Speaker 1: It's it is possible. I mean, yeah, Whitley Striper did
Speaker 1: not write this book, didn't go there yet. Well, we
Speaker 1: have to let Jane Marie go. Thank you so much
Speaker 1: for joining us today. This is amazing, really fun all
Speaker 1: the time. We absolutely will. Where can people find you online?
Speaker 1: So I'm at see Jane Marie. It's see Jane like
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