WEBVTT - 99: A GOOPy Cocoon With Jane Marie 0:00:00.280 --> 0:00:06.360 Welcome to Nightcall, a production of I Heart Radio. It's 0:00:06.400 --> 0:00:10.959 eight pm in a swimming pool in St. Petersburg, Florida, 0:00:11.440 --> 0:00:33.400 and you're listening to Nightcall. Welcome to Nightcall, a podcast 0:00:33.440 --> 0:00:36.159 for your Rose Courts Days and Carnelian Knights. I am 0:00:36.159 --> 0:00:39.360 Emily Oshida. I am here in Los Angeles and with me, 0:00:39.479 --> 0:00:43.000 as always, are Tess Lynch and Molly Lambert. And this 0:00:43.040 --> 0:00:45.920 week we are joined by our special guest, Jane Marie. 0:00:46.080 --> 0:00:49.159 She is the creator and host of the Dream Podcast. 0:00:49.880 --> 0:00:51.800 The first season we have talked about on the show 0:00:51.880 --> 0:00:56.480 talked about multi level marketing schemes and the current second season, 0:00:56.520 --> 0:01:00.440 which is about to wrap up, right sweet about the 0:01:00.440 --> 0:01:04.600 wellness industry again, we've talked about that. We are obsessed. 0:01:06.360 --> 0:01:08.200 We're a big fan. So thank you so much for 0:01:08.280 --> 0:01:14.720 joining us today. Welcome, Thanks for having Yeah we uh, 0:01:14.959 --> 0:01:20.360 we've been talking about wellness influencers and Goop and all 0:01:20.400 --> 0:01:24.360 sorts of stuff like that. UM, but we had a 0:01:24.480 --> 0:01:27.360 question about going back to your first season, UM and 0:01:27.400 --> 0:01:30.400 the MLMs. We had a night email from a listener 0:01:30.600 --> 0:01:32.560 and she writes, I have a lot of family and 0:01:32.600 --> 0:01:35.880 friends who have joined MLMs and have also taken dumb supplements. 0:01:35.920 --> 0:01:38.800 Despite my protests that these are dumb and expensive. My 0:01:38.880 --> 0:01:41.679 sister has poured money into m lms. It always fizzle 0:01:41.720 --> 0:01:46.520 out near um our bond some amwe website. My ex 0:01:46.600 --> 0:01:50.559 husband would take this liquid supplement Sea Silver religiously, even 0:01:50.600 --> 0:01:52.800 when I said there's no proof it worked. Then the 0:01:52.800 --> 0:01:55.520 company had to pay four point five million in FDC finds. 0:01:55.560 --> 0:01:57.680 And even after that, my X still wouldn't admit that 0:01:57.720 --> 0:01:59.840 he was wrong. I don't know how to get over 0:01:59.840 --> 0:02:01.360 for only that I was right and they were wrong 0:02:01.400 --> 0:02:03.440 and they won't admit it. Any advice on what I 0:02:03.480 --> 0:02:06.400 can do. Wow, that well, that's a whole I mean, 0:02:06.440 --> 0:02:11.200 this is advice for your whole life. Just like relationships 0:02:11.200 --> 0:02:14.960 something to do with UM MLMs, I'd say, you can't 0:02:14.960 --> 0:02:19.440 control anybody. Yeah, that's my advice that you'd move on 0:02:19.480 --> 0:02:24.800 from that idea, especially because these are I'd compare sort 0:02:24.800 --> 0:02:28.360 of mlm s and being really into wellness with like 0:02:28.400 --> 0:02:34.639 faith based belief systems. Try changing that for anyone UM 0:02:34.680 --> 0:02:36.960 and not saying that you're a messiah of some sort 0:02:37.000 --> 0:02:40.160 of just trying a regular person to like d program 0:02:40.200 --> 0:02:44.760 someone out of their religion. It's impossible. But the bigger 0:02:45.200 --> 0:02:50.760 piece of advice is just like mind your own business. Um, 0:02:50.800 --> 0:02:52.840 you did like a little bonus season in between the 0:02:53.720 --> 0:02:55.800 first and second season, and I remember you had an 0:02:55.840 --> 0:02:58.639 episode that was like about a guy who specifically kind 0:02:58.639 --> 0:03:01.400 of he gets people out of but then he was 0:03:01.440 --> 0:03:03.160 kind of also talking about how like a lot of 0:03:03.200 --> 0:03:06.160 the same techniques apply to getting people out of m 0:03:06.280 --> 0:03:07.840 l M s. And it's like you can't be like 0:03:08.720 --> 0:03:12.440 you were so stupid to get hoodwinked or whatever. It's tricky. 0:03:12.480 --> 0:03:14.639 I mean you have to. By the way, my favorite 0:03:14.680 --> 0:03:17.359 cult extractor who's on Dr Phil all the time is 0:03:17.440 --> 0:03:25.079 named Rick Ross. Actually he's awesome anyway, Ross right right, 0:03:25.360 --> 0:03:27.839 I just read a hurricane Have you checked it out? 0:03:27.840 --> 0:03:33.960 His autobiography. I wasn't fascinating large type did really easy 0:03:34.000 --> 0:03:38.320 readons didn't get anybody out of a cult. Now, Um, 0:03:38.760 --> 0:03:41.760 quite the opposite. Um, Now I think like, yeah, you 0:03:41.800 --> 0:03:44.600 have to meet them where they are and be like, 0:03:45.040 --> 0:03:47.800 of course, I can see why this is something you 0:03:47.880 --> 0:03:50.320 might be into. Let's talk about the ways that it's 0:03:50.400 --> 0:03:53.440 made your life smaller or whatever that it's made it, 0:03:53.520 --> 0:03:57.440 you know, made stress on your relationships. But in my experience, 0:03:57.680 --> 0:04:00.560 like when you're talking about life and which is what 0:04:00.560 --> 0:04:05.760 wellness is talking about. Um. That's a pretty good counter 0:04:05.920 --> 0:04:08.720 argument from believers, which is like, well, if I don't 0:04:08.760 --> 0:04:11.520 do this, I'm going to die. And you're like, so 0:04:11.560 --> 0:04:14.400 you're killing me by trying to get me out of 0:04:14.400 --> 0:04:17.200 this weird cult. And then you have to just say 0:04:17.560 --> 0:04:22.600 drink your silver and see silver. Do people just send 0:04:22.640 --> 0:04:26.039 your podcast to family members? I tell them to all 0:04:26.080 --> 0:04:29.200 the time. I'm like, hey, listen, my family listened to it. 0:04:29.240 --> 0:04:33.279 They still love me. Um. People are smarter than you 0:04:33.320 --> 0:04:34.919 give them credit for. I think what you need to 0:04:34.920 --> 0:04:36.720 remember about people who are involved in m l m 0:04:36.800 --> 0:04:39.120 S or super into wellness, a lot of them are 0:04:39.160 --> 0:04:44.320 brilliant geniuses, like legitimately really smart worldly people. So don't 0:04:44.839 --> 0:04:47.159 treat them like babies when you want to talk to 0:04:47.200 --> 0:04:51.440 them about a disagreement. Treat them like the educated people 0:04:51.480 --> 0:04:53.560 that they're claiming to be and say like, look, here's 0:04:53.600 --> 0:04:56.520 a different opinion, and if not, if nothing else, they'll 0:04:56.560 --> 0:04:59.080 like at least have like something to yell at you 0:04:59.120 --> 0:05:01.919 about the next time you guys hang out together. But 0:05:02.000 --> 0:05:05.119 people are smart enough to hear criticism and then either 0:05:05.279 --> 0:05:07.560 take it or move on. This again seems like great 0:05:07.600 --> 0:05:12.200 general advice as well. Yeah, yeah, treat your audience like 0:05:12.200 --> 0:05:16.919 they're smart. Um. I wanted to ask you about what 0:05:17.080 --> 0:05:20.200 the newest wellness trends that you have seen have been. 0:05:21.320 --> 0:05:23.880 You mean, don't drink water? People who don't drink water? Wait, 0:05:25.080 --> 0:05:28.520 there was an article is this dry fasting or whatever? 0:05:28.720 --> 0:05:33.640 Y fasting? Nothing sounds of work. I learned about it 0:05:34.040 --> 0:05:36.640 from an article that was like the wellness influencers who 0:05:36.640 --> 0:05:39.920 don't drink water and that's their thing. Okay, First of all, 0:05:40.120 --> 0:05:43.560 all of their before photos look like they had a 0:05:43.600 --> 0:05:45.440 real good night out the night before, you know what. 0:05:45.720 --> 0:05:49.000 Like that that's their their eyes, eyes are puffy or whatever, 0:05:49.600 --> 0:05:53.440 and they look tired, or they're retaining water, maybe for 0:05:53.560 --> 0:05:56.800 some other health reason. Why is your body retaining water? 0:05:56.839 --> 0:05:58.839 Why are you bloated? Maybe? Like look into that and 0:05:58.920 --> 0:06:02.440 instead they're just like, oh, I can add this to 0:06:02.480 --> 0:06:05.039 my list of eating disorders. Like I don't have to 0:06:05.080 --> 0:06:07.320 call it what it really is. I can call it 0:06:07.400 --> 0:06:10.240 dry fasting, or I can say I've only drink you know, 0:06:10.520 --> 0:06:14.040 but don't even people with eating disorders drink water normally. 0:06:14.320 --> 0:06:17.320 This is like the idea of someone being like no water, 0:06:17.920 --> 0:06:20.000 it's just a new eating disorder. All of this stuff 0:06:20.040 --> 0:06:22.720 isn't eating. Doesn't water good for you? I don't want 0:06:22.720 --> 0:06:24.440 to drink that much water. But as soon as you 0:06:24.480 --> 0:06:26.920 said dry fasting, I was like, Wow, I'm so thirsty 0:06:27.000 --> 0:06:30.680 for water. Maybe it's a great kind of reverse psychology thing. 0:06:30.800 --> 0:06:33.359 I just got to get that mad Max Fury road body. 0:06:34.200 --> 0:06:37.960 I love water, and also I can't live with was 0:06:38.000 --> 0:06:40.040 a water addict. When I was going to labor and 0:06:40.080 --> 0:06:42.000 they were like, you can't have water, just ice chips 0:06:42.040 --> 0:06:46.359 at this certain point in labor. This is the worst 0:06:46.400 --> 0:06:50.520 part of having anxiety when someone says you can't have water. 0:06:50.640 --> 0:06:52.479 After I went to the dentist and they were like, 0:06:52.560 --> 0:06:55.120 don't drink anything through straw because you might like bite 0:06:55.120 --> 0:07:01.159 your tongue off when they give you prepared you for 0:07:01.200 --> 0:07:04.200 the novocaine. I just it is scary. Anytime they're like, 0:07:04.240 --> 0:07:06.760 don't do a thing, You're like, I have to just 0:07:06.760 --> 0:07:10.000 reading the article. But I also love water well at 0:07:10.080 --> 0:07:13.720 least like dry fasting doesn't sound like it involves buying anything, 0:07:13.880 --> 0:07:16.760 quite the opposite. So it's like Firth, you go on 0:07:16.840 --> 0:07:22.160 the Goop website, I'm sure, okay. So we're arguing about 0:07:22.160 --> 0:07:26.320 Goop a lot on nightcall there's a pro group flank. 0:07:27.040 --> 0:07:30.400 It's actually it's just me test is more on your side. 0:07:30.840 --> 0:07:32.920 I'm in the middle. I don't think that Gwyneth is 0:07:33.080 --> 0:07:37.720 Joe Rogan, although someone else on Twitter after moll wasn't 0:07:37.760 --> 0:07:42.040 you Okay, I don't think I personally find her less 0:07:42.040 --> 0:07:51.520 objectionable than Joe. Criminals, Okay, that's fine. I think, Um, well, 0:07:51.560 --> 0:07:57.120 that's it. I just took a super long criminal who 0:07:57.240 --> 0:08:02.760 sells fake cures for ill illnesses that could kill people 0:08:03.320 --> 0:08:06.760 if they don't like what I mean. Well, for one, 0:08:06.840 --> 0:08:09.640 she's familiar with like the Yoni eggs and stuff and 0:08:09.840 --> 0:08:13.880 starting like that's a light thing. Besides that, it was 0:08:13.880 --> 0:08:16.960 saying that it would control hormones, which are something you 0:08:16.960 --> 0:08:19.400 should tap into and think about if you're going through 0:08:19.440 --> 0:08:23.320 perimenopause or menopause, and it could mean any amount of 0:08:23.360 --> 0:08:27.760 I mean, you can have like hormone or flora issues 0:08:27.840 --> 0:08:30.000 that have to do with cervical cancer or that have 0:08:30.080 --> 0:08:34.320 to do with like other serious illnesses, and claiming that 0:08:34.360 --> 0:08:37.920 these things would cure that. Um, there's other things where 0:08:37.920 --> 0:08:41.720 it's like, don't take these ten antibiotics. She promotes colloidal silver, 0:08:41.880 --> 0:08:44.000 the stuff that turns you blue. Yeah, I didn't know 0:08:44.080 --> 0:08:50.199 that silver is that the same thing as sea silvery. 0:08:51.120 --> 0:08:54.640 It's it's silver particles suspended in water, and over time 0:08:54.640 --> 0:08:57.040 it builds up in your cells and permanently turns your 0:08:57.040 --> 0:09:01.200 skin blue and does pretty much nothing else. It's toxic 0:09:01.240 --> 0:09:03.680 to your body and does nothing else, Like it used 0:09:03.679 --> 0:09:06.360 to be used back in the Again, these are all 0:09:06.400 --> 0:09:12.000 like medieval cures or whatever, like, yeah, exactly, you used 0:09:12.040 --> 0:09:15.880 to put silver on on wounds. Um, And I guess 0:09:16.120 --> 0:09:17.840 I'm not sure of like the action of it, but 0:09:17.880 --> 0:09:21.840 like it can prevent bacterial infections but antimicrobial but not 0:09:21.960 --> 0:09:27.360 anti virals to drink, yeah, and your pillow com it's 0:09:27.400 --> 0:09:31.560 for the four humors. Yeah. So Gwyneth, I mean like, look, 0:09:31.600 --> 0:09:34.880 I don't think she's actually like went out and murdered anyone. 0:09:35.040 --> 0:09:37.880 But I don't think she's careful enough about the products 0:09:37.880 --> 0:09:40.520 that she sells, and I don't think she doesn't due diligence. 0:09:40.600 --> 0:09:44.280 And I think she puts ideas out there that's like whatever, 0:09:44.360 --> 0:09:46.480 try whatever works for you, and you're like, you know what, 0:09:46.520 --> 0:09:49.000 you're talking to cancer patients That to me is the 0:09:49.080 --> 0:09:51.840 Joe Rogan thing. And it's not just them, it's a 0:09:51.880 --> 0:09:54.400 lot of like cable talk shows, or they'll just be like, 0:09:54.720 --> 0:09:58.160 let's have a personnel in selling something obviously bad and 0:09:58.200 --> 0:10:01.360 like give them their say, well, you build a giant platform, 0:10:01.400 --> 0:10:03.480 and then anything that seems as though it fits with 0:10:03.520 --> 0:10:06.040 your brand you kind of welcome in. So I say, 0:10:06.120 --> 0:10:08.800 on Shark Tank, they always shut that ship down to 0:10:08.360 --> 0:10:11.680 me because my hero on that stuff where he's like, 0:10:11.760 --> 0:10:13.840 show me the papers, show me the stuff, and then 0:10:13.880 --> 0:10:16.360 he's like, get out of here, you're a fraud. I mean, 0:10:16.520 --> 0:10:19.679 be nice. Mark. That's a weird best friend too, because 0:10:19.720 --> 0:10:21.360 it helps make the rest of the stuff they do 0:10:21.440 --> 0:10:24.400 look more legitimate. It's also like they're selling you like 0:10:24.520 --> 0:10:27.840 dumb garbage he needs you don't have that, but they're like, 0:10:27.880 --> 0:10:32.120 we will not sell you in your blood yeah, or 0:10:32.200 --> 0:10:34.320 something that says like you're never going to get another cold, 0:10:34.440 --> 0:10:37.200 or like this will help your dog not get cancer. Anyway, 0:10:37.240 --> 0:10:39.600 I am so anti It actually makes me want to 0:10:39.600 --> 0:10:43.880 cry as I start talking about her, because first of all, 0:10:43.920 --> 0:10:46.000 she has other ways of being famous that she's really 0:10:46.000 --> 0:10:49.280 good at. She can just act, and that still also 0:10:49.320 --> 0:10:53.040 makes a lot of money. I don't understand she can 0:10:53.600 --> 0:10:55.800 do nothing and still have a lot of money. The 0:10:55.840 --> 0:10:58.120 idea that you have to like, the idea that she 0:10:58.160 --> 0:11:01.720 feels compelled to step in as a basically as a 0:11:01.760 --> 0:11:06.520 medical professional, is um. I think, yeah, I think that 0:11:06.600 --> 0:11:08.679 there's like a whole side of this that has not 0:11:08.840 --> 0:11:11.240 like she's never discussed, but I've just sort of like 0:11:11.280 --> 0:11:13.800 put it together through context. And I think that she 0:11:13.880 --> 0:11:17.040 has probably gone through some fucked up ship with like 0:11:17.440 --> 0:11:21.480 her own healthcare and stuff. I think that people turned 0:11:21.600 --> 0:11:25.240 to alternative medicine sometimes, but I think I think specifically 0:11:25.360 --> 0:11:28.760 for her, she started group like after she had had 0:11:28.760 --> 0:11:30.560 her kids. I talked about this when we had our 0:11:30.600 --> 0:11:34.160 big group discussion, and UM, and she thought she was fat. 0:11:34.200 --> 0:11:37.440 She described herself as having a but she also like 0:11:37.600 --> 0:11:40.760 had severe postpartum depression, and I don't think that she 0:11:40.920 --> 0:11:43.560 was probably like getting the help that she needed for that. 0:11:43.640 --> 0:11:46.160 And I think, I don't know. I mean, I think 0:11:46.200 --> 0:11:48.320 also now we know she had a hard time as 0:11:48.360 --> 0:11:51.080 an actress and in the industry, and I think I 0:11:51.200 --> 0:11:57.200 can imagine getting like having a genuine existential crisis where 0:11:57.200 --> 0:12:00.040 you're like, what if I am called to do the 0:12:00.160 --> 0:12:04.720 thing completely different besides just being an actress like everybody likes. UM. 0:12:04.760 --> 0:12:06.560 I mean, I have a little bit of sympathy for 0:12:06.640 --> 0:12:09.680 her with that, Like I think, so I think, be 0:12:09.840 --> 0:12:13.560 that person. Don't sell me anything, you know, don't don't 0:12:13.600 --> 0:12:16.400 give health advice. You're not a doctor. Don't go on 0:12:16.520 --> 0:12:19.200 doctor oz. We all know. I feel like that's the 0:12:19.240 --> 0:12:22.679 thing too. It's like when when Goops started, to my mind, 0:12:22.800 --> 0:12:25.880 it was more about like what are the fancy hotels about, 0:12:25.920 --> 0:12:28.520 like this fantasy rich person life of Like what are 0:12:28.559 --> 0:12:31.760 these like the most expensive, nicest like accessories that are 0:12:32.120 --> 0:12:35.600 every month or yeah. But it was like I sort 0:12:35.600 --> 0:12:38.079 of understood it as like you read it as this 0:12:38.160 --> 0:12:39.920 lifestyle porn of like what's it like to be a 0:12:39.960 --> 0:12:42.439 person who's just like so wealthy all they do is 0:12:42.480 --> 0:12:46.760 go on vacation and buy stuff and not have to 0:12:46.800 --> 0:12:49.400 buy any of the stuff to feel that. But at 0:12:49.400 --> 0:12:52.840 a certain point it definitely became more about like health 0:12:52.880 --> 0:12:58.560 and wellness in tune with general trends around that, uh 0:12:58.720 --> 0:13:02.280 that are sort of like pseudo feminist, which is what 0:13:02.400 --> 0:13:04.760 I find offensive about it. Also, it's also one of 0:13:04.760 --> 0:13:08.760 the big defenses people say, well, it's okay that she's 0:13:08.800 --> 0:13:14.080 you know, selling fraudulent stuff or making fraudulent health website. 0:13:14.679 --> 0:13:18.200 She's getting young girls to look at their vaginas, and 0:13:18.240 --> 0:13:20.880 it's like you can have one without the other. I'm 0:13:20.920 --> 0:13:23.160 so sorry, but you can still be super famous one 0:13:23.160 --> 0:13:27.199 with Paldrow and get young girls to look at their vagina. 0:13:28.160 --> 0:13:32.080 It was just like culture goes to high school health classes. Yeah, 0:13:32.920 --> 0:13:36.040 Like my question is do you how aware do you 0:13:36.080 --> 0:13:39.520 think that she is? She's fully aware, but I mean, like, 0:13:39.600 --> 0:13:41.960 do you think that she has conviction that she's right? 0:13:42.080 --> 0:13:45.240 What was that last lawsuit that you were posting about. UM? 0:13:45.320 --> 0:13:49.400 The most recent one, um Well Truth and Advertising found 0:13:49.400 --> 0:13:53.240 that she violated her order to stop making false health 0:13:53.280 --> 0:13:55.080 claims and they found like fifty new ones on the 0:13:55.080 --> 0:13:57.960 website in the in the last few months. UM. Last 0:13:58.040 --> 0:14:01.600 year was the Jade settlement out of court um and 0:14:02.160 --> 0:14:04.920 where they they did this kind of like fuck you 0:14:05.640 --> 0:14:08.640 response where they ended up posting these like kind of 0:14:08.720 --> 0:14:11.719 short health articles with like a bibliography that's like five 0:14:11.800 --> 0:14:14.280 pages longer than the article itself to be like see 0:14:14.320 --> 0:14:16.839 all of the evidence. But then they're still selling stuff 0:14:16.840 --> 0:14:21.080 in their shop. UM and anyway, they violated their agreed 0:14:21.160 --> 0:14:24.040 upon out of court settlement court order to stop making 0:14:24.120 --> 0:14:30.360 unsubstantiated fault health claims, and UM, I just think like, 0:14:32.080 --> 0:14:33.600 I'm sorry that got me off track. What was the 0:14:33.680 --> 0:14:36.320 question before that? I mean I was just curious about 0:14:36.360 --> 0:14:40.440 like because you're saying it's like she can if so 0:14:40.480 --> 0:14:42.320 this is something that comes up also with the people 0:14:42.320 --> 0:14:46.400 who own mlmah. I feel like I don't know anyone 0:14:46.480 --> 0:14:50.360 like these people for a reason. They're not my friends. 0:14:51.040 --> 0:14:53.760 They're not my friends. My family members are their victims. 0:14:54.520 --> 0:14:57.760 But I've met, I've brushed up against I think similar 0:14:57.800 --> 0:15:02.240 personality types to these sorts of folks, and it always 0:15:02.360 --> 0:15:05.280 feels wrong and like you need to get out of 0:15:05.280 --> 0:15:07.280 the room as fast as you can. I don't know 0:15:07.320 --> 0:15:08.760 what that is. I don't know if that's the if 0:15:08.760 --> 0:15:12.160 that's an answer to your question, But I don't know 0:15:12.280 --> 0:15:15.120 what she's thinking because I'm always curious, Like like as 0:15:15.160 --> 0:15:17.880 you said, I mean, I don't have in my inner 0:15:17.920 --> 0:15:22.280 circle anybody who like is actually hawking MLMs. But friends 0:15:22.280 --> 0:15:25.000 and acquaintances have tried to sell me MLMs mostly like 0:15:25.040 --> 0:15:28.120 the young living kind of stuff, and it's hard for 0:15:28.160 --> 0:15:33.200 me to even tell it a certain yes, yeah, it's 0:15:33.240 --> 0:15:35.600 young living the essential oils. Can you explain that for 0:15:35.720 --> 0:15:39.800 listeners who might not know you can get young living oils? 0:15:39.960 --> 0:15:44.520 Is a Christian essential oils company who's founder, um Gary Young, 0:15:44.920 --> 0:15:47.960 killed his baby in a water birth where he left 0:15:48.000 --> 0:15:50.960 her underwater for an hour in his unlicensed wellness clinic 0:15:51.080 --> 0:15:54.520 in Spokane, Washington in the early eighties, and then went 0:15:54.560 --> 0:15:59.280 to jail. And then uh took off from Spokane, moved 0:15:59.320 --> 0:16:01.320 to southern Califor when you started a vitamin company, then 0:16:01.320 --> 0:16:05.280 moved to Tijuana to start a cancer clinic where he 0:16:05.400 --> 0:16:08.640 analyzed people's blood in the from samples they sent him 0:16:08.640 --> 0:16:10.120 in the mail, and then he would tell them what 0:16:10.200 --> 0:16:12.280 kind of cancer they had and then either cure them 0:16:12.320 --> 0:16:15.320 remotely or charge them ten thousand dollars to come to 0:16:15.400 --> 0:16:18.600 his clinic and be fully cured of their cancer. He's 0:16:18.640 --> 0:16:20.640 like the craziest villain. I actually feel like he may 0:16:20.640 --> 0:16:22.800 have been covered on behind the bastards, which if he was, 0:16:22.920 --> 0:16:26.000 I think he was. Yeah, I'll link it. I didn't 0:16:26.040 --> 0:16:28.240 know that. I thought you meant like maybe he poisoned 0:16:28.280 --> 0:16:35.600 him with essential oil. But also there's a huge overlap, 0:16:35.760 --> 0:16:37.640 and we've talked about this on the show before, and 0:16:37.680 --> 0:16:39.480 I know that it probably comes up a lot for 0:16:39.520 --> 0:16:42.360 you as well, But as a mom, you're targeted, and 0:16:42.480 --> 0:16:44.400 Emily brought it up in terms of like the postpartum 0:16:44.440 --> 0:16:47.560 depression and when you're particularly vulnerable to that kind of stuff. 0:16:47.960 --> 0:16:50.840 But there was just today an article I think NBC 0:16:50.880 --> 0:16:52.920 News about the free birth thing. I don't know if 0:16:52.920 --> 0:16:56.560 you saw that, but it's like a horrible it's just 0:16:56.640 --> 0:16:59.080 a horrible and it and it you know, in terms 0:16:59.120 --> 0:17:02.120 of talking about like making false medical claims and kind 0:17:02.120 --> 0:17:04.560 of tying it in with like the idea of well, 0:17:04.640 --> 0:17:06.920 if you know, why not try it? If it's like 0:17:07.359 --> 0:17:10.480 because a woman was going on Facebook as she knew 0:17:10.480 --> 0:17:13.359 her baby was dying because her duel and midwives were like, 0:17:13.400 --> 0:17:15.000 don't go to the hospital, don't go to the hospital, 0:17:15.040 --> 0:17:18.520 and she was like asking like these Facebook groups and 0:17:19.000 --> 0:17:22.080 her and everyone was like just feel you feel it. 0:17:22.440 --> 0:17:27.119 Your body is just doing And also she was a 0:17:27.200 --> 0:17:30.800 month overdue with any obstetrition. Would never let someone do. 0:17:30.880 --> 0:17:33.000 But I mean, it's when you talk about the dangers 0:17:33.080 --> 0:17:35.520 of of you know, goop and stuff like that, it 0:17:35.640 --> 0:17:37.399 is true that the way that this kind of leads 0:17:37.400 --> 0:17:40.600 into like how women and mothers in particular are targeted, 0:17:40.640 --> 0:17:42.720 and then the danger that that brings with it is 0:17:42.840 --> 0:17:45.479 I want to say, also there's like a different sector 0:17:45.560 --> 0:17:48.560 of this that involves like rich white women scams that 0:17:48.600 --> 0:17:51.920 are like more on the group side. And then there's 0:17:51.920 --> 0:17:54.600 also people that I'm like, I understand like why people 0:17:54.600 --> 0:17:58.200 seek out alternative medicine. Like the whole medical system is 0:17:58.240 --> 0:18:01.840 definitely like super were screwed up, super screwed up, super racist, 0:18:02.200 --> 0:18:05.680 not organized around women's kneed, especially like women of color. 0:18:06.119 --> 0:18:09.439 You know, like when people yeah, again, it's like it's 0:18:09.480 --> 0:18:13.159 not like a failing of somebody that they don't find 0:18:13.200 --> 0:18:16.160 American medicine to be like fully satisfying. And I think 0:18:16.160 --> 0:18:19.159 that there's a there's a definite, like legitimate reason to 0:18:19.200 --> 0:18:22.200 look elsewhere. I think, Um, I wish that Gwyneth palt 0:18:22.320 --> 0:18:24.280 would sit down and in front of me and I 0:18:24.280 --> 0:18:27.840 could shake her and be like, this isn't about beauty 0:18:28.320 --> 0:18:31.560 and youthfulness and being skinny and being pretty and having 0:18:31.640 --> 0:18:34.680 nice skin. Think for like two extra seconds about what 0:18:34.720 --> 0:18:37.800 you're actually telling people these products can do, and think 0:18:37.800 --> 0:18:39.359 about who might be buying them and who you might 0:18:39.400 --> 0:18:44.560 be hurting. Yeah, I just thought no one could afford them. 0:18:44.760 --> 0:18:47.760 You'd be surprised. I went to the Group Store and 0:18:47.840 --> 0:18:50.440 the Brentwood country Mark when there was like a pop 0:18:50.520 --> 0:18:53.480 up of it they're just like out of curiosity, and 0:18:53.520 --> 0:18:56.720 I was like, there's an audience for this stuff. It's 0:18:57.160 --> 0:19:03.160 like a solid gold BUILDO want to know about the dildol. 0:19:03.320 --> 0:19:10.720 Dildos also doesn't say does it say like it does anything? 0:19:11.240 --> 0:19:12.960 It does? I don't know. Let's look it up. I'm 0:19:12.960 --> 0:19:17.640 sure it cannot be anti microbial. It's a very soft metal. 0:19:18.440 --> 0:19:20.600 While you look like that up, Jane, We're going to 0:19:20.720 --> 0:19:23.480 take a quick break and when we come back, we're 0:19:23.480 --> 0:19:28.040 going to talk about um gold dildos and old people 0:19:28.040 --> 0:19:47.320 and peoples. We're back. Um. So it turns out the 0:19:47.359 --> 0:19:50.200 gold dildo is not a Goop product. It's just sold 0:19:50.280 --> 0:19:55.440 on group. But it's called and it costs. There's a 0:19:55.480 --> 0:20:00.840 couple of different versions. I think like lives matters size, 0:20:01.160 --> 0:20:03.800 Like is there like a gold plated version if you're 0:20:03.880 --> 0:20:06.800 like on a budget? I bet. I mean if I 0:20:06.880 --> 0:20:09.760 were the manufacturers, I would do it doesn't say like 0:20:09.880 --> 0:20:13.240 it attracts cosmic vibrations of the universe. No, it has 0:20:13.280 --> 0:20:17.720 a bulbous end to stimulate your G spot or something 0:20:17.840 --> 0:20:23.600 like that. I should hope. So I'm make sure the 0:20:23.680 --> 0:20:26.040 only person buying it is someone who wants Okay, now 0:20:26.119 --> 0:20:28.440 this person is so gross. We don't like this person, 0:20:28.960 --> 0:20:30.680 but like, it's a dude who wants to use it 0:20:30.760 --> 0:20:33.160 as like a paperweight on their desks. Oh my god, 0:20:33.400 --> 0:20:36.680 you know that guy? Yeah, kind of funny joke. Yeah, 0:20:40.520 --> 0:20:44.680 we have some other scary health news. Um that came 0:20:44.720 --> 0:20:48.080 out in an article in Jezebel. Um. A new report 0:20:48.160 --> 0:20:50.879 found that on demand therapy app Better Help, as well 0:20:50.920 --> 0:20:53.680 as some other therapy apps, have been sharing sensitive and 0:20:53.800 --> 0:20:59.159 personal information with third party apps. Yeah it's great, isn't it, um, 0:20:59.480 --> 0:21:02.280 I will from the article. Facebook, for instance, is alerted 0:21:02.320 --> 0:21:05.080 every time a person opens the app, essentially signaling to 0:21:05.160 --> 0:21:07.520 the social media company how often we were going to 0:21:07.600 --> 0:21:10.399 a session and when we booked our appointments. To confirm 0:21:10.480 --> 0:21:13.760 Facebook's retention of this information, we downloaded personal data from 0:21:13.800 --> 0:21:17.360 Facebook and identified the associated records from Better Help. During 0:21:17.400 --> 0:21:20.040 a session with a therapist, we found that metadata from 0:21:20.080 --> 0:21:22.960 every message, though not its contents, was also sent to 0:21:23.000 --> 0:21:25.640 the social media company, meaning that Facebook knew what time 0:21:25.680 --> 0:21:28.560 of day we were going to therapy, are approximate location, 0:21:28.720 --> 0:21:32.040 and how long we were chatting on the app. M See, 0:21:32.119 --> 0:21:34.680 this is another one of these things like that, Because 0:21:34.720 --> 0:21:37.280 there's a few of these, right there's like talk space. 0:21:37.600 --> 0:21:40.560 U is talk Space? Did they have the I think 0:21:40.560 --> 0:21:43.720 talk space was mentioned I want to use something creepy guys. Sure, 0:21:44.000 --> 0:21:46.920 But after I sent you this article, I got asked 0:21:47.000 --> 0:21:52.520 for it in my Instagram and yes, do you Siri? No, 0:21:52.800 --> 0:21:56.080 but I was she typed it, you googled it. I 0:21:56.200 --> 0:21:59.760 may have googled the word suicide at some time recently 0:22:00.040 --> 0:22:02.160 that started serving me ads for therapy and I thought 0:22:02.240 --> 0:22:04.720 that was really funny. It was when were you talking 0:22:04.840 --> 0:22:09.560 last night? Yeah, okay, um, not no worries everybody. We 0:22:09.640 --> 0:22:13.080 were talking about something different. Um. But but I was like, 0:22:13.200 --> 0:22:16.000 that's so weird that it's like, hey, feeling bad, I'm 0:22:16.040 --> 0:22:19.680 a computer. Well. I think also that I think that 0:22:19.960 --> 0:22:23.480 these apps really the way that they sell themselves, because 0:22:23.480 --> 0:22:26.760 I've heard I've heard podcast ads for talk Space and 0:22:26.840 --> 0:22:30.240 stuff like this, um, is that they take advantage of 0:22:30.320 --> 0:22:32.440 the very very true fact. Again, this is like all 0:22:32.480 --> 0:22:36.000 the wellness industry things that it is so fucking hard 0:22:36.119 --> 0:22:40.560 to get a therapist. It takes forever, it's expensive. Uh, 0:22:41.000 --> 0:22:43.600 it's usually not covered or the coverage is like very 0:22:44.000 --> 0:22:47.080 like a morphous like somebody can say they're covered by 0:22:47.160 --> 0:22:48.639 one thing on their website, and they're not when you 0:22:48.720 --> 0:22:51.240 actually ask them, um, And I think that that's like 0:22:51.320 --> 0:22:54.879 a genuine frustration, and like people talk about like I 0:22:55.160 --> 0:22:57.800 think that there's more of a conversation about mental health 0:22:57.880 --> 0:22:59.960 now than there has been in the past, and everybody 0:23:00.119 --> 0:23:03.359 like people destigmatizing therapy and like encouraging people to go 0:23:03.440 --> 0:23:06.320 to therapy. But it's so hard to go to therapy 0:23:06.359 --> 0:23:08.879