Speaker 1: This is the most dramatic podcast ever and iHeartRadio podcast.
Speaker 1: Chris Harrison Lauren Zema coming to you from the home
Speaker 1: office in beautiful Austin, Texas. I hope everybody had a
Speaker 1: great holiday week. You had a good Thanksgiving. You have
Speaker 1: to spend some time with family or better yet, the
Speaker 1: people you really love. He's joking, I'm joking. No, it's uh.
Speaker 1: Laura and I often discussed like do you you know,
Speaker 1: do you have to spend time with family. We'll get
Speaker 1: into that someday. But we spent Thanksgiving. We talked about
Speaker 1: I went to your hometown and your childhood home in Elgin, Illinois,
Speaker 1: not Chicago. It's a suburbs, yes, beautiful, and it was beautiful.
Speaker 1: I loved it. I absolutely had the best time with
Speaker 1: Donna Zema, your mom, Christina, your sister. Unfortunately, the guys
Speaker 1: couldn't make it this year. It was me. I was
Speaker 1: solo with the ladies.
Speaker 2: You were, which you know, I think you do well
Speaker 2: in that environment.
Speaker 1: It is where I thrive the most.
Speaker 2: Yeah, why do you think that is? Is it all
Speaker 2: because of the show, because you actually grew up with
Speaker 2: just a brother. But we've had this discussion before. You
Speaker 2: like one time we went on a trip to Mexico. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and my little sister. We invited my little sister and
Speaker 2: her husband. Her husband wasn't able to come, but we
Speaker 2: told my sister was like, well, I just want to come.
Speaker 2: So we ended up doing a trip a few days.
Speaker 2: You and I and then my sister joined. And you
Speaker 2: just do well when it's you and the ladies. What
Speaker 2: is that about?
Speaker 1: I think Number one, I was raised by amazingly strong,
Speaker 1: beautiful women. True, your mother, my mom, my cousins, and
Speaker 1: my grandmother and aunts, and so I just I've always
Speaker 1: had really really strong women present in my life. And
Speaker 1: so I just you know, keep up or shut up.
Speaker 1: And then obviously I think the show, the show had
Speaker 1: to have had some effect over twenty years of being
Speaker 1: surrounded by thirty women and dealing with all that.
Speaker 2: Right, because let's well, here's an easy way to tell. Yeah,
Speaker 2: picture yourself in a situation like this past week. And
Speaker 2: what happened was my little brother. I don't know if
Speaker 2: everybody's heard there is this horrible illness sweeping respiratory dogs. Yes,
Speaker 2: so my little brother has two dogs. His kennel canceled.
Speaker 2: He had to stay home in California with his dogs,
Speaker 2: so he couldn't make Thanksgiving. And then my sister's husband
Speaker 2: was with his parents. So in the situation we had
Speaker 2: this weekend which was you, me, my mom, and my sister.
Speaker 2: How would you have done like in your twenties Chris
Speaker 2: Harrison before ever being on the show versus now, Chris Harrison,
Speaker 2: how would you have vibed in each you know, before
Speaker 2: or after the show?
Speaker 1: Good question. I think I feel I would have feared
Speaker 1: the same in that I would have done well. I
Speaker 1: would have been comfortable in this situation. But I think
Speaker 1: I am with my experience and my age, I am
Speaker 1: much more comfortable of just letting things happen, letting things
Speaker 1: roll off.
Speaker 2: My family and every guy your age would be like
Speaker 2: shirle out with all the women in my family.
Speaker 1: Yeah, things just don't bother me at all like that
Speaker 1: in that regard. I don't know if they ever ever
Speaker 1: would have, but definitely now in my life, I just
Speaker 1: I love it. I really just relish the opportunity to
Speaker 1: be with you. We divided and conquered a couple of
Speaker 1: times early on in our relationship, and sometimes it's just
Speaker 1: the way we get through it, and we kind of
Speaker 1: appease both our families, but I obviously I just love
Speaker 1: it when we're together and it means so much to me.
Speaker 1: It meant a lot to me. We didn't fly together
Speaker 1: to Chicago, but it meant a lot to me just
Speaker 1: flying into Chicago. Walking through O'Hare Airport, which is of
Speaker 1: many airports, is maybe the most beautifully dressed.
Speaker 2: It's so fascinating. Yeah, shout out to O'Hare Airport, famously
Speaker 2: filmed in home alone when the family is running trying
Speaker 2: to catch the plane. They always do the best Christmas decoration.
Speaker 1: It's that one American Airlines terminal where they shot that scene,
Speaker 1: and that's where we arrive because we fly American in there,
Speaker 1: and so walking through that is it is iconic and
Speaker 1: whether you know it or not, you know it, and
Speaker 1: it just it sparks that kind of nostalgia. And so
Speaker 1: oh here airport's beautiful and the airport was not crazy.
Speaker 1: Everybody was awesome, and it was good to go out
Speaker 1: to your childhood home, which I had never been before,
Speaker 1: but I had heard so much about it, just to
Speaker 1: see the origin story of Lauren z Ema.
Speaker 2: Did it change the way you thought of me at all? No?
Speaker 1: I think it's cemented of why who you are, why
Speaker 1: the way you are, of just you. You know, when
Speaker 1: you talk about Midwestern people, I think we have this
Speaker 1: idea of how giving they are and loving and nurturing
Speaker 1: and kind of family oriented. And the way you grew
Speaker 1: up I wouldn't say on a farm, but you guys
Speaker 1: kind of grew up on some land.
Speaker 2: It's hard to explain.
Speaker 1: You were kind of isolated with your family, and it's
Speaker 1: just like it was little, a little little house on
Speaker 1: the prairie for me.
Speaker 2: It is. So I think people don't because I say
Speaker 2: I'm from Chicago, because if anybody else out there is
Speaker 2: from the Chicago suburbs. If there's so many Chicago suburbs,
Speaker 2: and if you say the name of your suburb Lake
Speaker 2: Forest or Neighborville or whatever, people unfamiliar are like, well
Speaker 2: where is that? So I just say Chicago and people
Speaker 2: who live in the city get annoyed at people who
Speaker 2: live in the suburbs saying.
Speaker 1: Don't know it's from Chicago. That's like me, I'm from Dallas.
Speaker 1: And when people I'm like, oh, where are you from
Speaker 1: Denton or McKenny, you're not from Dallas, then okay.
Speaker 2: Okay, Well so, but I grew up on several acres
Speaker 2: of land because we're kind of forty minutes to an
Speaker 2: hour outside the city, and my parents bought the land
Speaker 2: like back in the eighties and like built our house
Speaker 2: on it. So yeah, it is kind of isolated. But
Speaker 2: I think it gave me And it was interesting to
Speaker 2: talk to you about it because it kind of made
Speaker 2: me reflect on what I got out of that upbringing.
Speaker 2: I think two major things. One, it made my family
Speaker 2: very close, Like we didn't have neighbors, so my siblings
Speaker 2: and I were always hanging out together, and my siblings
Speaker 2: and I are very close today. And two it gave me, well,
Speaker 2: it also made me a kind of a weirdo. I'll
Speaker 2: say three things. I love being a weirdo. We had
Speaker 2: to read a lot. Again, we did have a lot
Speaker 2: of people to hang out.
Speaker 1: With, wander through the woods, acting.
Speaker 2: Using our imaginations. So and then three, I think it
Speaker 2: gave me like a sense of you know, our family
Speaker 2: pitches in and helps and does things together. Yeah, I
Speaker 2: don't come home for the holidays and just sit around
Speaker 2: and my mom does everything. And part of that was
Speaker 2: growing up sort of in the woods. I mean, one
Speaker 2: time my sister and I came home for Christmas and
Speaker 2: an owl had dropped dead in our front yard and
Speaker 2: my sister and I had to go shovel that owl
Speaker 2: and bring it out to the woods. And so that's
Speaker 2: just like what my family does and what I wanted
Speaker 2: to compliment you on. And if anybody's just starting to
Speaker 2: date someone and maybe you are planning on or did
Speaker 2: bring them home to your family for the first time
Speaker 2: this holiday season, It is such a gauge to me
Speaker 2: on a relationship if you bring someone home and they
Speaker 2: jump in and start helping, Like, do they just see
Speaker 2: themselves as a guest, or are they Hey, can I
Speaker 2: do anything in the kitchen? Can I take the trash out?
Speaker 2: Can I? Like? That is such a read on what
Speaker 2: type of partner person is going to be.
Speaker 1: Look for stuff to do, don't wait to be asked,
Speaker 1: and don't just go sit in front of the television
Speaker 1: and watch football whatever. Get involved. And to me, that
Speaker 1: was that's how I've I've honestly connected very well with
Speaker 1: your mom because we spend a lot of time in
Speaker 1: the kitchen together. We talk and you know, we just
Speaker 1: share things. It's not anything specific. And I enjoy also
Speaker 1: being involved and engaged. It gives me something to do.
Speaker 2: And I am so grateful because Lord knows, I can't
Speaker 2: help my mom in the kitchen.
Speaker 1: And then you get involved in your ways, like you know,
Speaker 1: as I.
Speaker 2: Set up the tables, I set up the bar. Thank god,
Speaker 2: Chris Harrison, the Soux chef is the soux chef my
Speaker 2: mom always wanted in her family. Let's talk about your
Speaker 2: pecan pie.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so I was in charge of my famous mashed
Speaker 1: potatoes and I did a tenderloin and that famous that wow,
Speaker 1: world famous, world famous mashed potato.
Speaker 2: Were they ever on the show?
Speaker 1: Nobody can know. I've never cooked on the show. I
Speaker 1: never I would have been I would have been a
Speaker 1: good date. If I had cooked for them, that would
Speaker 1: be hilarious. They showed up and I just cooked them
Speaker 1: dinner and we all hung out. That would actually been
Speaker 1: a good idea.
Speaker 2: I'm going to go on a quick we need a
Speaker 2: name for when we do this. I'm going to go
Speaker 2: on a tree branch for a minute, just branch out
Speaker 2: from the main topic and we'll circle back. What are
Speaker 2: some things you wanted to do on the show, because
Speaker 2: I know that it was always you know, you had
Speaker 2: a lot of bosses. And I've been in that situation too,
Speaker 2: where you have a fun, creative idea and people just
Speaker 2: say no, no, no, what did you want to do
Speaker 2: or film or do as a date? That never happened?
Speaker 1: The A number one When the kids were younger, I
Speaker 1: wanted to show up at a date and drop off
Speaker 1: my kids.
Speaker 2: Why did they never do that?
Speaker 1: I pitched this idea for years when the kids were younger,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, here's what I'm gonna do. I said,
Speaker 1: We're going to set it up like, oh, we're having
Speaker 1: a fun, sexy movie night. Nope, ding dong, here's my kids. Guys,
Speaker 1: I'll be back in a few hours and just leave
Speaker 1: my kids and you have to babysit them.
Speaker 2: Brilliant.
Speaker 1: And I would have told my kids because they were
Speaker 1: olding a and like, yeah, be a holy tare just
Speaker 1: like raise hell today. But I thought that would have
Speaker 1: been a great date because that's real life, Like now,
Speaker 1: you got to take care of kids, and how are
Speaker 1: you know even if they were super young, because you know,
Speaker 1: my kids were born while I was doing the show.
Speaker 1: Josh was born six weeks before I got hired, but
Speaker 1: then Taylor was a couple of years later, so they
Speaker 1: were young enough to where I mean, they could have
Speaker 1: been diaper changing age, like you have to watch babies.
Speaker 2: Such a good idea, and it would have been safe
Speaker 2: because sometimes if you bring in like outside unknown kids,
Speaker 2: that can be a little that's a lot on a set.
Speaker 1: Or for but no union issues. These are my kids,
Speaker 1: and I would have sat in the control room and
Speaker 1: made sure they weren't going to, you know, really harm
Speaker 1: them too much. And I would have been able to
Speaker 1: judge a lot by that. Yes, see how they are
Speaker 1: with the kids.
Speaker 2: What was the reason why they never did that, I
Speaker 2: don't know.
Speaker 1: They don't give Probably because he was my idea. They
Speaker 1: hated if I ever had an idea.
Speaker 2: I wish people sometimes okay, I don't want to get
Speaker 2: it all, get into it, go well. There's just something
Speaker 2: really psychological that happens in this business. And I don't
Speaker 2: know if other industries are like it, but it is
Speaker 2: because when you are like an on camera personality, the
Speaker 2: higher ups never want you. They don't want to pay
Speaker 2: you that much. So the part of the way that
Speaker 2: they keep your salary down is they kind of psychologically
Speaker 2: make you feel like your ideas aren't good enough or
Speaker 2: anybody else could take this job. You're it's not that
Speaker 2: you're so good at it, And I definitely think that.
Speaker 1: Was a one I worked for someone specifically who had
Speaker 1: the kind of belief that if it wasn't their idea,
Speaker 1: then it was not a good idea. Yeah, and that
Speaker 1: was an odd, odd way to work for me.
Speaker 2: I remember there were some scenes that you did some bits,
Speaker 2: like during the pandemic seasons, whenever it was at Lakita.
Speaker 2: I can't remember who season that like Tasha and Claire's
Speaker 2: I think, and you were so funny, And even though
Speaker 2: we were dating at the time, I remember thinking, I know,
Speaker 2: I'm dating this guy, and I'm a little bit of
Speaker 2: rose colored glasses on for him. But he's funny, and
Speaker 2: you never got to do those funny You know.
Speaker 1: Why we did that. We were able to do it
Speaker 1: is because we were in quarantine and the people didn't
Speaker 1: have that much to do well, and the people that
Speaker 1: were usually the biggest roadblocks, they weren't willing to come quarantine.
Speaker 1: They didn't want to be with us. So the producers
Speaker 1: I really got along with and really loved, and I
Speaker 1: thought were amazingly creative and really ran the show. We
Speaker 1: didn't have to put up with any roadblocks. We were
Speaker 1: in this bubble, and so we got to actually finally
Speaker 1: do what we wanted to do, which was half some laughter,
Speaker 1: make me kind of a comedic moment or two at
Speaker 1: a time. So that's we were bizarrely more unfettered.
Speaker 2: Well, no, that totally makes sense, because those people didn't
Speaker 2: want to bother to quarantine.
Speaker 1: No, no, they weren't. They talked about coming, but they
Speaker 1: weren't ever going to come.
Speaker 2: Back to Thanksgiving. I made a pie, and you are
Speaker 2: a pie perfectionist.
Speaker 1: No, well, yes, but I'm not a baker. I do
Speaker 1: love to cook. I love to make food. I love
Speaker 1: to make you dinners and things like that, but I'm
Speaker 1: not a baker and it is a different skill set,
Speaker 1: and so I don't bake a lot of cakes and
Speaker 1: cookies and pies. And in fact, I never made a
Speaker 1: pecan pie from scratch. By the way, I did not
Speaker 1: make the crust, so that part was not from scratch,
Speaker 1: but the rest was. And you guys went somewhere.
Speaker 2: Probably Marshalls, probably Marshalls or.
Speaker 1: No, you know what, y'all went to Orange Theory. You
Speaker 1: did a late night Orange Theory Sash I and y'all
Speaker 1: asked if I wanted to go. I said, no, I'm
Speaker 1: going to stay and get this pecan pie done because
Speaker 1: your mom only has one oven and we were kind
Speaker 1: of trying to share the oven, and so I stayed
Speaker 1: to make a pie. They were making other pies, and
Speaker 1: so the oven was set at like three seventy five
Speaker 1: or something. I needed it three point fifty. It was.
Speaker 1: It was an away game. You know how you're not
Speaker 1: comfortable in someone else's, you know, stadium. So I was
Speaker 1: in your mom's. I didn't really understand the oven, and
Speaker 1: I didn't get it down to the right temperature, and
Speaker 1: I burned my first pie.
Speaker 2: It wasn't that burnt. But this is why I say
Speaker 2: pie perfectionist in the most complimentary way. I knew he
Speaker 2: like we got back. He's like, I burnt the pie.
Speaker 2: It really wasn't burnt.
Speaker 1: It was well, if you watch Great British Baking Show,
Speaker 1: it was over baked, yes. Paul would have said overbaked,
Speaker 1: over baked, yes, And so it was just you know,
Speaker 1: ten to fifteen degrees hotter than it should have been,
Speaker 1: which so it didn't spare.
Speaker 2: Here's what was so cute. Yeah, I knew you wouldn't
Speaker 2: be able to let it go. I knew it. I'm like, babe,
Speaker 2: it's really fine, but I knew. And finally I just said,
Speaker 2: do you want us to get more stuff? And do
Speaker 2: you want to rebake this pie? And of course you
Speaker 2: said yes, you need to put out a good product.
Speaker 2: It's important.
Speaker 1: I want to impress your mom. And I knew the
Speaker 1: family was coming over. I wanted to produce what I
Speaker 1: said I was going to produce and so, and I
Speaker 1: needed to prove to myself that I could do this
Speaker 1: because I had the process down. I'm like, okay, I
Speaker 1: got this, the slow pour in and this. I was like, okay,
Speaker 1: I got the process, and it was just that stupid
Speaker 1: extra fifteen degreeses. I'm like, damn it, I can do this.
Speaker 1: And the next one actually turned out really well.
Speaker 2: I I the pie was great. Everybody loved it. His
Speaker 2: tenderloin crushed, the mashed potatoes famous killed all very good.
Speaker 2: You just men that you didn't make your own dough.
Speaker 2: I have a serious question, because you know, I don't
Speaker 2: know what cheats are acceptable in the kitchen at the holidays,
Speaker 2: stuff like making your own dough or not. I know
Speaker 2: some people will you know some people just go buy
Speaker 2: their turkey, yeah or whatever, Like, what are you.
Speaker 1: I talk to a woman today who she was telling
Speaker 1: me how she was making her turkey, and I asked
Speaker 1: her today post things give us they had to go.
Speaker 1: She's like, it actually turned out great. I'll never do
Speaker 1: it again. And I don't disagree with that. I told her,
Speaker 1: I said, you know, I get that. There's I take
Speaker 1: joy in the work. I think your mom does too.
Speaker 1: I don't know if your sister does as much, but
Speaker 1: she was in there cranking it out with us. But
Speaker 1: I think there are people that truly get enjoyment from
Speaker 1: the days leading up to it. I'm fine if you
Speaker 1: want to buy the whole thing, buy the whole thing,
Speaker 1: go to a store, go to whatever, have it catered.
Speaker 1: I'm fine with that. But I just there are certain things.
Speaker 1: Here's what I would be okay with. Personally, I'd be
Speaker 1: okay with, get the proteins, go get a turkey, go
Speaker 1: get a tenderloin and whatever. I enjoy making the sides.
Speaker 1: I think that's the fun part.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I was also going to say, I'm totally like,
Speaker 2: pick up a pie, you know, from your great local bakery.
Speaker 2: I mean, obviously, I can't say anything about it because
Speaker 2: I don't cook any of it. But I actually fall
Speaker 2: in the category of liking the preparation more because to me,
Speaker 2: I mean Thanksgiving, the day was great, my cousins were there,
Speaker 2: we played some card games, We had a great time.
Speaker 2: But you get so much more like I love family chaos,
Speaker 2: and I think some fun family chaos happens when my
Speaker 2: mom's going to the grocery store twenty times, and did
Speaker 2: she accidentally forget to pull the turkey out of the
Speaker 2: freezer And we're cleaning the house, and in those little moments,
Speaker 2: you know, life happens in the little moments. A lot
Speaker 2: in those little moments is when we laugh the most
Speaker 2: and we're kind of tired and we're teasing each other,
Speaker 2: and those are where I make a lot of memories.
Speaker 1: For sure. The two days I spent in the kitchen
Speaker 1: with your mom were my favorite times with your mom.
Speaker 1: That was the most intimate where I got to talk
Speaker 1: and share and both you know, we you were off
Speaker 1: doing stuff and it was just us. And so to
Speaker 1: me that if I had lost all that and I
Speaker 1: just came in and we laid out pre prepared stuff
Speaker 1: and pre bought stuff, it wouldn't have been the same
Speaker 1: moment for me. It wouldn't have been the same experience.
Speaker 1: So I like that. I like getting in the weeds
Speaker 1: and diving in and cooking and making our mistakes. And
Speaker 1: your mom is like me. She cusses and gets mad
Speaker 1: when she makes a mistake in the kitchen, just like
Speaker 1: I do. Like we very much.
Speaker 2: Sh A lot has happened since I was a kid.
Speaker 2: We weren't allowed to say the word sucks when we
Speaker 2: were kids, like that sucks.
Speaker 1: And by the way, your mom did not you thought
Speaker 1: she said one thing. And she really doesn't cuss. She's like,
Speaker 1: you know, like gosh, darn or whatever.
Speaker 2: That's your she started cussing. Yeah, she's growing up and
Speaker 2: she started cussing.
Speaker 1: I don't know, but I hope everybody had a great
Speaker 1: Thanksgiving and I did. I loved oh And by the way,
Speaker 1: a shout out to Mariano's. I think that was the
Speaker 1: grocery story I went to, isn't it? Yes, good memories
Speaker 1: Jewel Osco. Had never been to a Jewel Losco. They
Speaker 1: were great, such.
Speaker 2: A great wa to get in touch with the place
Speaker 2: you're visiting.
Speaker 1: Go to the local grocer totally. And also you guys.
Speaker 1: Was it the Beef Shock beef Shack?
Speaker 2: His first Chicago beef.
Speaker 1: So I I got there and I said, you know,
Speaker 1: they're like, what do you want? I said, well, I
Speaker 1: want Italian beef.
Speaker 2: You know, there's like a sandwich, that's what it is.
Speaker 1: And so we went to a place called Beef Shack
Speaker 1: and it was fantastic. I this is what a gluttonis,
Speaker 1: Chicago pig. I wanted to be because I'm a foodie.
Speaker 1: I just love trying everything. So I got the beef
Speaker 1: sandwich there and I got a hot dog, a Chicago
Speaker 1: dog that was you know, has the pickles, the relish,
Speaker 1: the green, the super green. No, but it was very good.
Speaker 1: And I had to get a pizza before I left,
Speaker 1: and I went to lou mal Natti's right Loom and
Speaker 1: I posted about this. I'd tell you what, that really
Speaker 1: strikes a very personal emotional cord. I've never had so
Speaker 1: many Chicagoans reach out to me and be like that
Speaker 1: is the best. That is what I dreamed, and I
Speaker 1: order it and they will ship it to you. But
Speaker 1: we had a great because we were at the second
Speaker 1: oldest Lou mel Naughties that opened in nineteen seventy one, Illinois.
Speaker 2: Yes, I think people are very passionate about the food.
Speaker 2: They grew up on the local spots. I mean, some
Speaker 2: of those local spots become franchises or chains. But it's
Speaker 2: always interesting to see what lives up to the hype,
Speaker 2: because sometimes you know, like I remember, I told you
Speaker 2: about Portillo's and about Portillo's chocolate cake and how great
Speaker 2: it was, and then you tried it and it did
Speaker 2: live up.
Speaker 1: It changed my life. The Portillo's chocolate cake changed my life.
Speaker 1: It's the greatest chocolate cake I've ever had. And if
Speaker 1: you ever have a chance Portillo's, by the way, congratulations.
Speaker 1: They are spreading around the country. I saw one in Scottsdale, Arizona,
Speaker 1: and a couple other c They're moving iois but it's
Speaker 1: it is a Chicago, Illinois thing. Oh one more, shout out,
Speaker 1: what's the name of your favorite Greek restaurant? Y'all finally
Speaker 1: took me to here.
Speaker 2: We love Greek Isles. It's in Lombard. It's also in
Speaker 2: downtown Chicago, and it is.
Speaker 1: Old school Greek. And it was Lauren and her mom
Speaker 1: and her sister. They've been telling me about this place
Speaker 1: for forever. And they always go and I've always wanted
Speaker 1: to visit. So we went to Greek Isle's as well,
Speaker 1: and that was great. Yes, it was wonderful.
Speaker 2: So I did I just realized, I didn't tell you what.
Speaker 2: I'm taking a turn Tree Branch. That's where we had
Speaker 2: my dad's celebration of life.
Speaker 1: Oh really kind of wake yes, yeah, so that place
Speaker 1: is I didn't know that.
Speaker 2: I just realized I didn't tell you that. Yeah, that's where
Speaker 2: we had it. So that's how important that restaurants us.
Speaker 1: But now I'm really glad I went. Yeah.
Speaker 2: You know what, though, I just realized that's a really
Speaker 2: beautiful thing about it is we don't have sadness when
Speaker 2: we're there though.
Speaker 1: Yeah. No, it was definitely a joyful celebration.
Speaker 2: No, we kind of did an early birthday dinner for me,
Speaker 2: and we've had a lot of family celebrations there over
Speaker 2: the years. And as I think about it, that's really
Speaker 2: pretty beautiful that one place can be all those things,
Speaker 2: you know, it's it can be a place of reflection
Speaker 2: and tears but joy and Yeah.
Speaker 1: And my favorite thing about the Zema ladies. When we
Speaker 1: go to restaurants, I really don't order. I just sit
Speaker 1: there they order. We also went to an Italian place
Speaker 1: that was really good and I just sit. I know
Speaker 1: the food's going to come my way and the zema
Speaker 1: don't get in the way. Just And we also went
Speaker 1: to the local Orange Theory twice. Yes, I went with
Speaker 1: your mom, your sister and yourself. There was all four
Speaker 1: of us. We lined up on the treadmills. Treadmill one
Speaker 1: through four.
Speaker 2: Shout out to Misty, she's missed the instructor in Bartlett, Illinois.
Speaker 1: Bartlett, Illinois that we went to the Bartlet Orange Theory twice.
Speaker 2: But what again? Is great? And I guess I don't.
Speaker 2: I love that you're listening everything and getting everyone shout out.
Speaker 2: But what it makes me think is when you visit
Speaker 2: someone's family, jump in, do what they do? Like a
Speaker 2: big red flag to me is not only does someone
Speaker 2: not pitch in and help, but if you go to
Speaker 2: somebody's house, do you make it about you? If you
Speaker 2: go out to dinner with somebody and their people and
Speaker 2: they like to order and share, are you the well? No,
Speaker 2: I just like to get my own thing. Like when
Speaker 2: you're on somebody else's turf, jump in, live life the
Speaker 2: way they lived. Experience that you're kind of seeing their
Speaker 2: family culture, their vibe. Maybe you don't have to do
Speaker 2: it forever, but you did a really great job of
Speaker 2: doing that the first time. And it's not something I
Speaker 2: asked you to do, it's just who you are.
Speaker 1: Well. I loved it, and it was great to see
Speaker 1: a little piece of your history in your origin story.
Speaker 1: And it was great to go to Elgin, Illinois in Chicago.
Speaker 1: Let's get to the headline.
Speaker 2: Let's jump in with something that happened over Thanksgiving weekend.
Speaker 2: You were very excited about it. Dolly Partons. Was it
Speaker 2: a halftime performance at the Dallas Cowboys game but started
Speaker 2: some controversy. I would never think that Dolly Parton would
Speaker 2: come a controversy. Everybody loves her. But she wore a
Speaker 2: Dallas cheer cheerleaders uniform at seventy seven years old. Yes,
Speaker 2: and some people took issue with.
Speaker 1: It a couple of First of all, the Dallas Cowboys
Speaker 1: playing on Thanksgiving is a tradition. They always play on
Speaker 1: Thanksgiving days, kind of like the Detroit Lions, although Detroit
Speaker 1: always loses unfortunately, and the Cowboys always win. They didn't
Speaker 1: play each other, but that game is a tradition. Watching
Speaker 1: it on Thanksgiving as a family tradition of mine, and
Speaker 1: I was very thankful that you guys didn't mind that
Speaker 1: I had the game on at the Zema house. So
Speaker 1: we watched the Cowboy game and two things. Number one,
Speaker 1: Jack Harlowe performed at a prior game earlier that day
Speaker 1: and had a disastrous performance. It was unbelievably panned, critically destroyed.
Speaker 1: It was really weird. Nobody's really sure if he was
Speaker 1: sabotaged by his manager. What happened. It was terrible. So
Speaker 1: then it's always a big tradition with the Salvation Army
Speaker 1: that the Cowboys have a Salvation Army halftime show on
Speaker 1: Thanksgiving Day. It kind of kicks off their Giving and
Speaker 1: it's a big deal who the performer is. This year
Speaker 1: was the legend the icon Dolly parton. Everybody was pretty
Speaker 1: excited about that. Just in general, it's Texas, It's Dolly.
Speaker 1: Things are bigger in Texas, if you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: And Dolly comes out and she is in the most
Speaker 1: iconic uniform, maybe next to the Cowboys themselves. The Dallas
Speaker 1: Cowboys cheerleaders, as we say, and as they say, often imitated,
Speaker 1: never equalled. Well, I think they were imitated and equalled
Speaker 1: by Dolly Parton because guys, she crushed it. And I
Speaker 1: don't know why anybody thinks that's controversial. I don't know
Speaker 1: why anybody has a problem with it, because she is
Speaker 1: a legend, and the thing, the legend of Dolly has
Speaker 1: always been a woman who forged her own path, the
Speaker 1: woman who broke through every glass ceiling, who created this
Speaker 1: industry on her own, a female artist and a very
Speaker 1: male driven world, especially when she broke in. I mean
Speaker 1: think of her as kind of the Barbara Walters of
Speaker 1: country music. She was doing this at a time when
Speaker 1: it was really not all that welcomed and admired, and
Speaker 1: she did it. And so for her to come out
Speaker 1: and what break another mold, you got a problem with it.
Speaker 1: She is a badass, legendary icon, and she just once
Speaker 1: again proved why she is a legend.
Speaker 2: I agree with everything you just said. I mean, some
Speaker 2: people were saying, you know, and I hate when media
Speaker 2: does this, when it's like grab one tweet and you know,
Speaker 2: act like that's the I think overall people didn't have
Speaker 2: an issue with it, you know, I guess I saw
Speaker 2: it was like the one tweet was like act your
Speaker 2: age I mean, please, I think.
Speaker 1: What's acting seventy seven? Do you want to walk out
Speaker 1: and over?
Speaker 2: What that mentality says to me is like a judgment
Speaker 2: on women. I mean, so what if that was a
Speaker 2: So if that's a woman in it's ages, and if
Speaker 2: that's a woman who's twenty five wearing that, then it's okay.
Speaker 1: Yeah you think she's hotter? Is that better for right?
Speaker 2: I mean, Dolly Carden's beautiful. She looks great, like you said,
Speaker 2: I mean, she has always beaten march to the beat
Speaker 2: of her own drum, and.
Speaker 1: That's what makes her great.
Speaker 2: And she's changed the world by doing that. So thank
Speaker 2: you for changing the world in many ways, Dolly.
Speaker 1: And you know, definitely paved you know, paved the path
Speaker 1: for whether it's Kelly Clarkson or know any all the
Speaker 1: women that came through in the nineties, you name it
Speaker 1: that like, she is the one who paved that path.
Speaker 1: And she was on the show. Dolly was on Bachelor
Speaker 1: I think it was Emily Maynard season. She was on.
Speaker 1: I think we went to Dolly World. Good guest, Yeah,
Speaker 1: and yeah it was a good guest. She was awesome.
Speaker 1: She's just salt of the earth, beautiful woman. Love her,
Speaker 1: and I'm glad that she really blew it up on
Speaker 1: Thanksgiving Day for my beloved Dallas Cowboys who won and
Speaker 1: made it just that much sweeter, made the pie taste
Speaker 1: that much better on Thanksgiving.
Speaker 2: Here's a comparison I would give if a seventy five
Speaker 2: year old I don't know actor sports announcer say that, How.
Speaker 1: About Mick Jagger, he's one hundred and eight.
Speaker 2: Okay, if he came out in a Dallas Cowboys football
Speaker 2: uniform because they were performing, would anyone have said, Mick
Speaker 2: actor age? Oh no, they think it was.
Speaker 1: Funny about So when Creed came out years ago and
Speaker 1: they were in Dallas Cowboy uniforms.
Speaker 2: I didn't remember.
Speaker 1: I don't remember the inspirational Creed moment.
Speaker 2: Wow Creed.
Speaker 1: By the way. A little media note, Forty one point
Speaker 1: four million people watched the Dallas Cowboys versus the Washington
Speaker 1: Commander's football game. Obviously a captive audience. That is why
Speaker 1: Jerry always makes sure the Dallas Cowboys play on Thanksgiving Day.
Speaker 1: But when you think TV is dead, when you think
Speaker 1: things have gone by the wayside, forty one million people.
Speaker 1: That was the third largest viewing audience of a regular
Speaker 1: season football game in the history of the NFL. That's
Speaker 1: pretty crazy, all right.
Speaker 2: Another headline Catherine McPhee and David Foster talking about the
Speaker 2: way that they discipline their two year old son. So
Speaker 2: they are acknowledging and saying that they have very different
Speaker 2: parenting styles. In fact, Catherine says, quote, his era of
Speaker 2: parenting is different. Now I'm giving their ages here because
Speaker 2: that's what they're talking about. Katherin mcpheas thirty nine. Her husband,
Speaker 2: David Foster is seventy four.
Speaker 1: You could be a Dallas cowboy cheerleader outfit to be perfect, right,
Speaker 1: He's right in that age group.
Speaker 2: So they have their two year old son, and I
Speaker 2: guess David is kind of wanting to discipline and Catherine
Speaker 2: doesn't think that they're really ready to be in that
Speaker 2: disciplinary place yet. And she said his era of parenting
Speaker 2: is different. So the questionnaire is, you know, how do
Speaker 2: you handle that as a couple, How do you handle
Speaker 2: it if you have such different parenting styles In this case,
Speaker 2: it's about the way you were raised, your era that
Speaker 2: you came up in.
Speaker 1: And by the way, no indictment on their age difference whatever,
Speaker 1: But basically what we're talking about is the way I
Speaker 1: raise my kids in the way my parents because he
Speaker 1: is the same age as my parents.
Speaker 2: Well he has like fully grown adult children, so he's
Speaker 2: already done the parenting thing once through its n.
Speaker 1: But this is a it's a generation gap. It is
Speaker 1: a difference in how generations raise kids. He I mean,
Speaker 1: so seventy four, So that's back what in the fifties,
Speaker 1: you know, when he was born, and so he was
Speaker 1: raising kids in the sixties and seventies, maybe the eighties,
Speaker 1: and so that was a very very different time in
Speaker 1: the world. And so I get it.
Speaker 2: He actually has two daughters in their fifties.
Speaker 1: So his daughters are older than me.
Speaker 2: Well, he has daughters in their fifties, their forties, and
Speaker 2: a daughter in her thirties.
Speaker 1: I will say he's done it. He's been there, actually
Speaker 1: parented through a lot of aeras. He has been through
Speaker 1: a lot of areas, he's been through the trenches. So
Speaker 1: I you know, look, it's hard to deny when it
Speaker 1: has worked before. But I'm sure I'm curious what the
Speaker 1: big differences are. If it's like I spank, he very
Speaker 1: well may have spanked his kids, you know, back in
Speaker 1: the seventies and eighties and nineties, that's well, spank their kids.
Speaker 1: And I think that's kind of frowned upon now, and
Speaker 1: so maybe that is her thing, or maybe the way
Speaker 1: he talks and he's tough love and a little more
Speaker 1: stern in my way or the highway, whereas I'm guessing
Speaker 1: maybe she's a more reasonable. You know, there are those
Speaker 1: parents who are like, we don't ever say no to
Speaker 1: our kids. We encourage, we, you know, talk to them,
Speaker 1: and so I'm guessing those are the usually the one.
Speaker 2: Of the comments she says in this article is like,
Speaker 2: she's not someone who wants to say that's bad, Like,
Speaker 2: don't do that, that's bad. You know. I do think
Speaker 2: parentings evolved in a lot of good ways over the
Speaker 2: years too, you know, with new research and what works
Speaker 2: with kids and what doesn't. And I mean, look, we
Speaker 2: all have childhood trauma where our parents raised us. So
Speaker 2: to me, what's important because whether it's an age gap
Speaker 2: or where you're from, a lot of people are going
Speaker 2: to have had different upbringings and that's going to create
Speaker 2: different parenting styles. A friend of mine, who is so
Speaker 2: insane with her husband, told me this simple thing. She said,
Speaker 2: We talked a lot about how we wanted to parent
Speaker 2: before we became parents, And I thought, I don't know
Speaker 2: if that's something a lot of people do.
Speaker 1: No, I think you're like, well, we're parents, now let's
Speaker 1: start parenting.
Speaker 2: You're right now, Well, I think you fall in love
Speaker 2: and you talk about are we going to get married?
Speaker 2: Or we do we work together?
Speaker 1: But when you're great conversation to have.
Speaker 2: Yeah, do you have the conversation Maybe you say do
Speaker 2: we want to have kids? But do you say how
Speaker 2: do you want to raise your kids? Well?
Speaker 1: You know, it's interesting Like obviously you and I had
Speaker 1: the conversation about not having kids. But a conversation I
Speaker 1: would have loved to have had with you is, Babe,
Speaker 1: if we had a baby, how would you discipline them?
Speaker 1: If we had a little boy and he did something,
Speaker 1: how would you discipline him? Cause I don't know that
Speaker 1: about you. It's very It's a great conversation to have,
Speaker 1: like if you should know is your husband going to
Speaker 1: spank your kids? Do you believe in that? Is that
Speaker 1: how you were raised? I changed throughout my parenting. I
Speaker 1: just kind of evolved quickly because what you know is
Speaker 1: how you were raised. I wanted to be my dad.
Speaker 1: I wanted to emulate my dad. I think he was
Speaker 1: a great father, and so I started. I was very
Speaker 1: my way or the highway. I was very old school,
Speaker 1: probably like David Foster, because my dad's about that age,
Speaker 1: in his seventies, mid seventies, and so I was tougher.
Speaker 1: It was really tough love, and I was very strict.
Speaker 1: I remain pretty strict. I think my kids joke about it.
Speaker 1: They joked about it at our wedding, but and I'm
Speaker 1: proud of that. I think there are very strong lines
Speaker 1: you need to set that. I feel like that was
Speaker 1: my job as a parent. Make boundaries, hold those boundaries.
Speaker 1: Their job is to push those boundaries. And the more
Speaker 1: you give, the more they're going to take. And that's
Speaker 1: that's their job.
Speaker 2: So would you parent differently today if you suddenly had
Speaker 2: a kid tomorrow? Would you parent differently than you did
Speaker 2: with Josh and Taylor? Have you changed or evolved at all?
Speaker 2: Or I mean, you made two pretty great kids.
Speaker 1: But I thought about having kids again and how that
Speaker 1: would be, And here's how what I think I would change.
Speaker 1: And I don't think I know. Here's what I would
Speaker 1: be different at what I care about. I for sure
Speaker 1: would have better perspective on things I care about, like
Speaker 1: youth sports, things that do not matter, you know, you think,
Speaker 1: like for all the parents out there, I can tell
Speaker 1: you right now your kids not going to the pros.
Speaker 1: Now for point one percent of you that are listening,
Speaker 1: maybe he is, Maybe little Johnny, little Susie's going.
Speaker 2: You mean about like winning and being good because I
Speaker 2: was going to say, I think youth sports and I'm
Speaker 2: not a sports advocate, but teaches you how to be
Speaker 2: a team player are important.
Speaker 1: The biggest proponent of youth sports. It is invaluable to
Speaker 1: get your kids involved in youth sports, even when they're
Speaker 1: not good and they're not going to be pro whatever,
Speaker 1: just learning that team aspect and like you said, winning
Speaker 1: and losing, and that is invaluable for sure. But I'm
Speaker 1: just the you know, I see these parents and I
Speaker 1: grew up around the living vicariously through your kids, and
Speaker 1: you know, getting them a batting coach and a pitching
Speaker 1: coach at age eight, you know, and it it's just
Speaker 1: it's so it's so much, and you see these kids
Speaker 1: actually breaking down physically. Like I was talking to a
Speaker 1: friend of mine about his kids are already getting surgeries
Speaker 1: and having issues and things that just normally we didn't
Speaker 1: have his kids because we played a season, right, it
Speaker 1: was football season. Play you go to basketball, you play basketball.
Speaker 1: You go to soccer, you play soccer, you go to
Speaker 1: try You.
Speaker 2: Just now it's travel leagues and clubs.
Speaker 1: Right, you better choose your sport by the age of eight.
Speaker 2: You better commit if you Okay, so you wouldn't be
Speaker 2: so into youth sports.
Speaker 1: Well, no, no, no, I just I wouldn't. It's not
Speaker 1: that I wouldn't be into the youth sports. It's like
Speaker 1: I think I would just have better perspective of what's
Speaker 1: important and that goes with schooling as well of like
Speaker 1: not being so neurotic about certain things at school, certain
Speaker 1: things in sports, certain things and you know what, I
Speaker 1: would draw Instead of drawing every line in every boundary,
Speaker 1: I would pick my battles a little bit better, have
Speaker 1: a little easier going. Aspect of parenting.
Speaker 2: If you were going to become a parent tomorrow, would
Speaker 2: you like do any new education on parenting? Would you
Speaker 2: read some new books or just say nope, I got this.
Speaker 1: I would love to tell you I would do research.
Speaker 1: But the honest answer, if I'm totally being honest, I
Speaker 1: would just do it. I mean, here's what I would
Speaker 1: really want to know, because the best part is is
Speaker 1: every generation has the best gadgets in the world. I mean,
Speaker 1: whether it's car seats, strollers, the baby diaper, disappearing things,
Speaker 1: and you know, like the things that they invent are phenomenal.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, you could have some new the diaper genies,
Speaker 2: new tech on yourself.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, for sure time around. Maybe they have robots
Speaker 1: now that change diapers.
Speaker 2: I don't know. Now everybody has the cameras they watch
Speaker 2: their kids in the cribs like you can.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I had the WALKI I had the walkie talkie thing,
Speaker 1: you know, so the two way the one way walkie
Speaker 1: talkie where you could hear the kids crying at night
Speaker 1: or whatever. Because we you know, they didn't sleep with us.
Speaker 1: We got them into their crib, into their room as
Speaker 1: soon as we could. We weren't the sleep between us
Speaker 1: type of parents. But you know, I would I think
Speaker 1: I could jump right back into it. But I would
Speaker 1: have a lot more patients. I would know what to
Speaker 1: get worried about, and I think I would have a
Speaker 1: better idea of what where to pick my battles.
Speaker 2: By the way, what an advantage of being an older
Speaker 2: parent for sure. I mean, I remember when we had
Speaker 2: doctor Sterling on the Gynecologist for that episode, and she's
Speaker 2: such a big advocate of they're not being a stigma
Speaker 2: about becoming an older parent. She talked about that, She's like,
Speaker 2: people think about all the negatives of being an older parent.
Speaker 2: A huge positive is just that you're a calmer person.
Speaker 2: You have more perspective on life, and so that's you can.
Speaker 1: Part so much wisdom to your kid. Yess, you really can.
Speaker 1: And I thought about that too. I have well, we
Speaker 1: have friends who have you know, got back in the
Speaker 1: pool and they've had kids again, and they do say
Speaker 1: that they're like, it's it's just so much more relaxing
Speaker 1: this time around, but you know, early on it's tougher
Speaker 1: because I think, you know, God gives you this finite
Speaker 1: amount of patience and time where you don't need sleep
Speaker 1: and you don't you know, you can put up with
Speaker 1: those ungodly hours and getting spit up and puked on.
Speaker 2: And we should have Catherine and David on to discuss
Speaker 2: like age gap relationships.
Speaker 1: I think would be great.
Speaker 2: I'm looking to that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it'd be fantastic and again, Obviously you
Speaker 1: and I have a fairly large age gap. It's not
Speaker 1: nearly the size of theirs. But I have no problem
Speaker 1: with that. I mean, they've been together for a very
Speaker 1: long time, clearly love each other. They've been together for.
Speaker 2: A while, a couple of years.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, so I mean it's they seem to have
Speaker 1: a strong, loving relationship. I would love to talk to
Speaker 1: him about that.
Speaker 2: One more headline or should I say headlines plural? It's
Speaker 2: hard to even keep track of it all, but Harry
Speaker 2: and Meghan the Royals. There is a new book coming out,
Speaker 2: end Game, by a royal reporter, one of the more
Speaker 2: famous ones, all about how essentially Harry and William's relationship
Speaker 2: is over allegedly about Harry not being close with his
Speaker 2: father anymore, about the way the family imploded, bringing up
Speaker 2: some old stuff too. And the reason I bring up
Speaker 2: all these headlines is why do I still feel so
Speaker 2: passionate about it? I do still get fired up about
Speaker 2: all this.
Speaker 1: I want to not care, and I can say I
Speaker 1: don't care, but it, you know what, And now I
Speaker 1: just feel sorry for the whole thing.
Speaker 2: For who. I don't know. That's part of it.
Speaker 1: Is, like I feel sorry for Harry. But I'm also
Speaker 1: annoyed at Harry because he brought a lot of this
Speaker 1: on himself. But then he also had a tragic childhood
Speaker 1: and I know he was born in a palace and
Speaker 1: all that stuff, but if you really look at his
Speaker 1: life and boil it down and cliff and like bullet points,
Speaker 1: you're like, damn. And so you know, I'm mad at
Speaker 1: both of them. I'm disappointed in both of them. If
Speaker 1: I could speak as a father, it's I can't imagine.
Speaker 1: I not even gonna they can't imagine. I know it's
Speaker 1: not what their mom would have wanted. And I know
Speaker 1: how close you are to your sister, and I know
Speaker 1: what my brother means to me. What a waste of
Speaker 1: the one person in your life that's just like they've
Speaker 1: always got your back.
Speaker 2: I know. I saw something the other day that was like,
Speaker 2: your parents leave you too soon, You leave your kids
Speaker 2: too soon, the people who are with you your whole life,
Speaker 2: or your siblings. And look, on the one hand, I'm
Speaker 2: not here to advocate. Some people have toxic family members
Speaker 2: and sometimes you got to cut them out of your life.
Speaker 2: I'm not a family as family person, and at the
Speaker 2: holidays of your dealing with that. I think you don't
Speaker 2: have to engage if your family is a toxic person.
Speaker 2: It's so messy at this point, and I'm going to say,
Speaker 2: I think the Royal family's mess and drama is bigger
Speaker 2: than most reality show stuff at this point, Like there's
Speaker 2: so much toxicity, and I think maybe the reason we
Speaker 2: still care, I still kind of I do click on
Speaker 2: the headlines and read about it and feel passionate is
Speaker 2: one we can all relate. Like that's what I was
Speaker 2: just talking about, is everybody has toxic family members, has
Speaker 2: had family issues. But two, you know, we really grew
Speaker 2: up with these people. I mean, I grew up knowing
Speaker 2: who William and Harry were. I grew up. They've the
Speaker 2: Royals have been in my life like longer than presidents
Speaker 2: have because they've always been the Royals. They don't have
Speaker 2: a term. So it's just wild the point that it's at.
Speaker 2: And I do think I think Harry and Meghan are
Speaker 2: not done in any way. I feel like reading the
Speaker 2: Tea Leaves, there's a headline that allegedly they're looking at
Speaker 2: homes in la Meghan just did a variety red carpet.
Speaker 2: I mean, she just did a red carpet as if
Speaker 2: she's you know, an actress and Suits. That was my
Speaker 2: other point. Suits has been like the number one most
Speaker 2: been show this year by far, which the show she
Speaker 2: was on.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So if I'm putting the pieces together here, I think Meghan,
Speaker 2: I think they've tried some other things that haven't worked.
Speaker 2: Their Spotify deal fell apart. They were slammed for that,
Speaker 2: their Netflix deal. You know, it was that they didn't
Speaker 2: create enough content.
Speaker 1: Disaster.
Speaker 2: It was a disaster for one hundred million dollars they got.
Speaker 2: So I think at this point they've got to go
Speaker 2: back to what works and for Megan, Like, I mean,
Speaker 2: the acting option is there with the recent success of
Speaker 2: Suits in it coming back.
Speaker 1: Yeah, The rumor is they're trying to get out of,
Speaker 1: not get out of, but move from Montecito and get
Speaker 1: more into the thick of things down in La. Look,
Speaker 1: the idea that they want privacy and want to go off.
Speaker 1: Maybe they want privacy, but they do not want to
Speaker 1: be private, And they're two very different things. We love
Speaker 1: our privacy, we don't want to be private. They love
Speaker 1: the limelight, they love the red carpets, they love being
Speaker 1: in front of the cameras. They you know, not the
Speaker 1: people that may stalk them and the paparazzi. They would
Speaker 1: like to choose, and I can tell you don't get
Speaker 1: to choose. That's not a choice you get to make
Speaker 1: in this world that you've chosen to live in, and
Speaker 1: moving to la is only going to exacerbate that. It
Speaker 1: will be interesting to see the next step they take.
Speaker 1: I agree. I feel like there is a headline imminent
Speaker 1: of she's going back to suits, she's going back to acting,
Speaker 1: they have some other deal, whatever it is. They're just
Speaker 1: I don't think they loved being in Monacito and being forgotten.
Speaker 2: No, I exactly. I mean when I saw Megan on
Speaker 2: that Variety red carpet, I'm like, okay, yeah, here it is.
Speaker 2: You know, you're on a red carpet. I don't know
Speaker 2: how else to say. You're on a red carpet. A
Speaker 2: red carpet's purpose is purely promotional. I will never forget
Speaker 2: that part of the Netflix documentary where she got a
Speaker 2: text message from Beyonce. She like turns staring and she's like,
Speaker 2: I guess you're just texted me Beyonce, And I thought
Speaker 2: this is so weird, Like why are you revealing this?
Speaker 2: Why are you sharing that? Like, to me, all that
Speaker 2: says is that you love celebrity and fame because you're
Speaker 2: like this fame, this super famous person texted me, you know,
Speaker 2: and that that moment said so much to me.
Speaker 1: Yeah. And then the stuff when they were talking about
Speaker 1: the letters she wrote as a kid, and the tea
Speaker 1: and the way the way she kind of responded to
Speaker 1: all that, it was just it. I don't know, it
Speaker 1: felt weird, felt a little interesting.
Speaker 2: I don't know who's right or who's wrong anymore. I
Speaker 2: think there's a there's a lot of gray area and
Speaker 2: a lot of people making like I don't think there
Speaker 2: is a clear who is wrong.
Speaker 1: I think, like most things, there's enough ag on everybody's
Speaker 1: face and enough blame to go around. I'm sure like
Speaker 1: one thing happened, and then the next thing, and that
Speaker 1: beget the next thing and so and then it just
Speaker 1: spirals out of control. What what I really again, take
Speaker 1: all of it away, whoever side you're on, you know,
Speaker 1: I know a lot of people are really sour on
Speaker 1: Harry and Meghan. These are also just two human beings
Speaker 1: live in their life and they're trying to take advantage
Speaker 1: of opportunities and all that, and I don't begrudge him
Speaker 1: of that, but I just and I don't know how
Speaker 1: I'm getting involved, but somehow I want to bring these
Speaker 1: two brothers together. That's the only thing, the only thing
Speaker 1: I really truly care about in this whole thing is
Speaker 1: that two brothers are not talking. And it seems like
Speaker 1: a book that's about to come out will be a
Speaker 1: bombshell and it's this guy that writes really does have
Speaker 1: a lot of tea on the royal family. So there's
Speaker 1: going to be a lot more juice that comes out
Speaker 1: and probably really bad stories. And one of them I
Speaker 1: heard today was about how Harry was ghosted by William
Speaker 1: and that is what led to him not being able
Speaker 1: to be there at the Queen's side on her deathbed
Speaker 1: to say goodbye. And so a lot of animosity is
Speaker 1: going to be built up, and it's only going to
Speaker 1: hurt more by this book coming out. But I just
Speaker 1: somehow I want to bring these two boys together and
Speaker 1: just get them in a room and somehow bring them
Speaker 1: together as brothers, because deep down I know they want that.
Speaker 1: Deep down, I know if something was really going wrong,
Speaker 1: they would be there to save their each other's lives.
Speaker 1: They're brothers and they had that bond and it's still there.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry it's Star Wars esque, but it's still there. Well.
Speaker 2: What's interesting is part of me wants to say I
Speaker 2: would love for William and Kate to do an interview.
Speaker 2: I mean, they've really never at this point. Harry's written
Speaker 2: a book, he did press tours.
Speaker 1: I've heard enough from Harry and Meghan's side.
Speaker 2: But I would love for them to do an interview.
Speaker 2: But I don't think they will because they don't have to,
Speaker 2: because now the tide has turned so much against Harry
Speaker 2: and Meghan. I think they've stayed silent and kind of
Speaker 2: held their heads high through this and that it's ultimately
Speaker 2: worked for them and.
Speaker 1: They and look again, not picking sides. William definitely has
Speaker 1: the castle and the monarchy and everything behind them. He's
Speaker 1: got the power of the palace right fully behind him.
Speaker 2: What is really all so sort of I don't know
Speaker 2: what the right word is. Eerie. I mean, Harry is
Speaker 2: kind of living the life that his mother, I mean,
Speaker 2: Diana was no longer in the royal family when they
Speaker 2: got divorced, you know, so now Harry is divorced from
Speaker 2: the royal family. And it's just interesting that he's wound
Speaker 2: up there. I've wondered because you know, now the new
Speaker 2: season of The Crown is out where it's the season
Speaker 2: where Diana's death happens. I mean, it's a big season,
Speaker 2: and I've wondered. I'm not watching it, but I was
Speaker 2: texting with a friend about it and saying, like, how
Speaker 2: different would things have been if Diana had had, you know,
Speaker 2: never died. Yeah, would she still be would she still
Speaker 2: go to royal functions because her sons were in the family.
Speaker 2: Would Harry have still left the family? Like would he
Speaker 2: have just followed his mother's footsteps and left or would
Speaker 2: he still be in it? I don't know. It's very interesting.
Speaker 1: I don't think this happens if Diana's alive.
Speaker 2: I don't know. I think their relationships fine, but I
Speaker 2: would it would Harry have stayed in the Royal family
Speaker 2: or William?
Speaker 1: That's the interesting thing. Would William be such a proponent
Speaker 1: in such a shill for the Royal family if his
Speaker 1: mom is still alive and she's clearly not a part
Speaker 1: of it. Do the boys remain such a staunch supporter
Speaker 1: of it? That would have been interesting to see, you know,
Speaker 1: I mean, who knows, but you know, William is obviously
Speaker 1: this very strong member of the royal family. I think
Speaker 1: he's it would be the most recognizable face of the
Speaker 1: Royal family now, even more so than his dad. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's you think of the boys totally. Well, we've all
Speaker 1: thought of the queen.
Speaker 2: Were up loving the boys because everybody saw their Diana
Speaker 2: faces with Diana.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and you know you think of William and Harry
Speaker 1: when you think of the royal family now because the
Speaker 1: Queen is gone, and so it's funny it's kind of
Speaker 1: skipped that generation because of Diana.
Speaker 2: And nobody's a big Charles Fanner.
Speaker 1: No, no, he's he's the forgotten Royal And this is
Speaker 1: just kind of so unpoppy. He's so easy to kind
Speaker 1: of know, not maybe not dislike, but love. Yeah, he's
Speaker 1: not easy to like. Thank you guys for joining us,
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