Speaker 1: Broadcasting live from the Abraham Lincoln Radio Studio, the George
Speaker 1: Washington Broadcast Center, Jack Armstrong, Joe, Getty Armstrong and Jettie
Speaker 1: and He Armstrong and Yetty Yo yo yo, thanks for
Speaker 1: joining us. Joe is in He's the Getty half of
Speaker 1: Armstrong and Getty. Joe is in England on vacation. I
Speaker 1: think he's gonna call in a little bit later, half
Speaker 1: in his cups, drunk on bass ale. But we're having
Speaker 1: a variety of guests on today to keep me sane,
Speaker 1: including who we used to call Craig the Obamacare lawyer,
Speaker 1: back when we're trying to work our way through what
Speaker 1: the hell Obamacare was or is, which continues to be
Speaker 1: the law of the land, right Craig. Welcome, Craig Gottwaals.
Speaker 1: Obamacare is. It's just just became status quo as we
Speaker 1: all predicted it would be, and and all of our
Speaker 1: deductibles went way, way, way, way up, and we all
Speaker 1: just accepted that that's the way they're going to be
Speaker 1: for the rest of our lives. So that's the way
Speaker 1: that turned out. Hey, I do have a quick health
Speaker 1: related thing for you before we get into some other
Speaker 1: stuff that you and I were texting about last night.
Speaker 1: I got a friend who's got a pretty bad health diagnosis,
Speaker 1: and I suggested, man, you ought to get a second opinion.
Speaker 1: But people throw around the whole get a second opinion
Speaker 1: like it's easy to do. I've never actually done it.
Speaker 1: How do you even go about doing that? Does your
Speaker 1: insurance like you do that? What do you do? Do
Speaker 1: you go to a completely different doctor grouper?
Speaker 2: What is that?
Speaker 1: What is the second opinion?
Speaker 2: Yeah, some of that's going to depend on what kind
Speaker 2: of plan you're on, whether it's a PPO or an
Speaker 2: HMO or like what we call an open access plan.
Speaker 1: But what are most people let's start there. What do
Speaker 1: most people have? Who have? People wear a company healthcare
Speaker 1: for APO? Okay, yeah, that's what I thought. Most of
Speaker 1: us have PPO. So if we have a PPO, how
Speaker 1: do we get a second opinion?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 2: The easiest way to get a second opinion in that
Speaker 2: case would be to pick a different primary care doctor
Speaker 2: in a different medical group and just go through the
Speaker 2: process again, because if you stay within this through.
Speaker 1: The whole process again, go through the whole process again,
Speaker 1: while you're probably not feeling very good, maybe feeling terrible.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it at that point.
Speaker 2: So it's gonna come down to how much you trust
Speaker 2: your doctor and the medical group, because if you stay
Speaker 2: within the same medical group, they're going to have a
Speaker 2: pretty strong bias to confirm what's.
Speaker 3: Already been done. Well, that exactly, that's what I want
Speaker 3: to second.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's two things wrong with several things wrong with that,
Speaker 1: And it's a tell me it's not a common phrase,
Speaker 1: Well you should get a second opinion. People throw that
Speaker 1: around all the time like it's an easy thing to do.
Speaker 1: But so I'd have to go through the whole process.
Speaker 1: Am i am? I kind of like half firing my
Speaker 1: primary doctor I've had maybe for years, I'm probably friends
Speaker 1: with at this point. How offended is he or she
Speaker 1: going to be?
Speaker 2: Well, most plans will have a mechanism in there for
Speaker 2: a second opinion so that it's not so that you're
Speaker 2: not Now if it's an HMO, which a lot of
Speaker 2: people are on in larger cities, then kind of are
Speaker 2: firing that doctor because you'd pick a different primary care
Speaker 2: doctor come back to them in a future month. But
Speaker 2: most PPOs will have a mechanism. You can do it
Speaker 2: the other way to do it if you have a
Speaker 2: little bit of means at all is to go out
Speaker 2: into the market and find a direct primary care doctor,
Speaker 2: somebody who's left the system and sees you for like
Speaker 2: one hundred or one hundred and twenty five dollars a
Speaker 2: month fee. That way, you can keep doing what you're
Speaker 2: doing with your system doctor on your planet work, for example,
Speaker 2: But then you can spend a couple hundred dollars and
Speaker 2: go off to the side and see one of these
Speaker 2: direct primary care doctors who's left the system and will
Speaker 2: then give you a truly independent analysis that if you
Speaker 2: have some means at all, that's what I would recommend.
Speaker 1: Okay, that's a little frustrating. I mean, they don't offer
Speaker 1: that up to you, certainly after they give you a diagnosis.
Speaker 1: And the one thing I learned nil people all this time,
Speaker 1: The main thing I learned from when I had cancer
Speaker 1: is there's a lot of guessing. There's way more guessing
Speaker 1: than I ever believed was the case. And you can
Speaker 1: talk to a couple of different people and they have
Speaker 1: completely different opinions.
Speaker 2: So well, not just cancer, I mean all these complicated.
Speaker 2: I mean, sure, if we just start looking at autoimmune diseases,
Speaker 2: and then the way these the new the new drugs
Speaker 2: are affecting that. It's it's you know, because of what
Speaker 2: I do. I have a lot of good friendships with doctors,
Speaker 2: and it's shocking how you can talk to two very
Speaker 2: well respected doctors that have been doing this for decades
Speaker 2: and they'll have incredibly different opinions on how you should
Speaker 2: treat X, Y or Z, especially when we get to
Speaker 2: like autoimmune or even cancer YEP.
Speaker 1: I have that exact situation with my son where they
Speaker 1: I have two PhD level, been around forever people with
Speaker 1: almost one hundred and eighty degree apart opinions, And what
Speaker 1: am I supposed to do with that information? Anyway? That's
Speaker 1: enough of that health stuff for now, So this is interesting.
Speaker 1: So we talked to I know your friends Tim Sanderfer.
Speaker 1: We had Tim the lawyer on Last Hour, and we
Speaker 1: were talking about AI and all the different sort of stuff.
Speaker 1: And I'm fascinated by AI and I read lots of
Speaker 1: books and listen to a lot of podcasts because I
Speaker 1: think it's I think it's going to be a really
Speaker 1: big deal. I don't know if it's going to be
Speaker 1: as big as fire, Like the guy from Google says
Speaker 1: to mankind, the invention of fire but I mean, if
Speaker 1: if it's half that, it would be shockingly huge. A
Speaker 1: lot of people are worried about AI taken so many jobs.
Speaker 1: We're gonna have to come up with some sort of
Speaker 1: guaranteed income thing to pay people to stay home and
Speaker 1: play the flute because there just aren't going to be
Speaker 1: enough jobs. AI is going to take it over. Tim says,
Speaker 1: this is going to be like every other technology that's
Speaker 1: come along. It's going to develop all kinds of new
Speaker 1: jobs that you've never even thought of yet. It'll take
Speaker 1: care of itself. The cotton gin didn't eliminate all farm workers.
Speaker 1: It started all kinds of other different things, and you
Speaker 1: end up with more jobs. Where are you on that question?
Speaker 1: Because Tim Tim Tim thinks now that he's not worried
Speaker 1: about it. I am. I think it's going to destroy
Speaker 1: the entire world. Go ahead.
Speaker 3: I fall much closer to Tim it goes.
Speaker 1: I hope you're both right.
Speaker 2: I'm using it. I'm using it every day at work.
Speaker 2: In fact, everybody in my office is. We're using it regularly.
Speaker 2: And what it's done is it's allowed me to just
Speaker 2: become so much more efficient with not wasting a lot
Speaker 2: of time on some of the more menial tasks that
Speaker 2: I don't want to have to burn time on. I
Speaker 2: can use AI to standardize and templatize a lot of
Speaker 2: the things that i'm doing quickly. I'll give you an example, Jack,
Speaker 2: because you know I'm a lawyer and I'm reviewing healthcare contracts.
Speaker 2: Just recently, I took six different Pharmacy Benefit Manager PBM contracts.
Speaker 2: So it's the part of your health plan that deals
Speaker 2: with all the drugs. Six different contracts. All of them
Speaker 2: were between fifty and one hundred pages. I uploaded all
Speaker 2: of them into chatch GPT, I said, and then I
Speaker 2: gave it like a whole page of instruction on what
Speaker 2: I wanted. I wanted to compare and contrast this. I
Speaker 2: wanted to know the weaknesses and strengths. I wanted to
Speaker 2: know where I could find a B and C and
Speaker 2: D in each contract, and I wanted it to put
Speaker 2: it all in a grid for me.
Speaker 1: So it did.
Speaker 3: Within like ten minutes.
Speaker 2: I had this unbelievable chart that it spit back to me,
Speaker 2: where then I could go back and just hit the
Speaker 2: highlights of the contracts in my review. Now, where that
Speaker 2: would be devastating is if you had zero idea what
Speaker 2: you were doing if you weren't a healthcare attorney, for example,
Speaker 2: and you didn't know where it was wrong. Because it's wrong,
Speaker 2: as you guys have reported, it's wrong a good clip
Speaker 2: of the time. It'll make things up or it'll have
Speaker 2: something totally off. But when you're already an expert in
Speaker 2: an area to take care. I mean, it saved me
Speaker 2: four hours doing what it did, and then I could
Speaker 2: just spend one hour fine tuning it and making it
Speaker 2: exactly what I needed to see from my clients.
Speaker 1: But you do have the problems of hallucinations or whatever.
Speaker 1: It just makes stuff up.
Speaker 2: Now, then absolutely, yeah, you have to watch it. What
Speaker 2: I tell my coworkers is when it tells you something
Speaker 2: that you think is just maybe not quite right, you
Speaker 2: have to tell it give me a source for that,
Speaker 2: and then you have to hit that source and you
Speaker 2: have to go look at it because it will get.
Speaker 3: Things completely wrong.
Speaker 2: I've read the stats that say fifty percent of the time.
Speaker 2: I think that's too high, but I see it getting
Speaker 2: things wrong twenty percent of the time anyway.
Speaker 1: Really, okay, that's interesting.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, it sends you to a link that doesn't exist,
Speaker 2: or it just says something that's not right.
Speaker 1: Okay, So I asked a lot of questions that I
Speaker 1: have no expertise in, and so it could maybe it's
Speaker 1: lied to me way more often than I realize, and
Speaker 1: then I probably repeated on the radio. But I'm I'm
Speaker 1: I've mentioned this a thousand times. I'm reading the book
Speaker 1: Ulysses by James Joyce. I'm trying to fight my way
Speaker 1: through that book. And I've been using chat GBT when
Speaker 1: I get stuck on something. But I had one the
Speaker 1: other day where it was just I knew it was
Speaker 1: completely wrong, like just as wrong as wrong could be,
Speaker 1: And I wonder how often that happens. I asked a
Speaker 1: question yesterday about taking zinc when you got a cold,
Speaker 1: and the information it spit out for me for different
Speaker 1: ages and different studies and stuff like that, as far
Speaker 1: as I know, was absolutely fascinating and so fast. So
Speaker 1: which you mentioned chat GPT several times. There's a whole
Speaker 1: bunch of AI apps or programs or whatever you can
Speaker 1: call them chatbots out there. How many of them are
Speaker 1: you using?
Speaker 2: Yeah, so I'm using I'm using an upgraded version of
Speaker 2: chat GPT that I've paid for and I've trained with
Speaker 2: a lot of what I do for healthcare law.
Speaker 1: Do you think the paid for one is Do you
Speaker 1: think the paid one paid for one is worth it
Speaker 1: for the average person or only if you have an
Speaker 1: expertise in something.
Speaker 2: I think if you're using it for work, the paid
Speaker 2: for one is worth it. I mean if you're just
Speaker 2: using it for for fun and for social you know,
Speaker 2: I don't think you need to pay for it, but
Speaker 2: I lean on it pretty heavily at times and chat.
Speaker 3: GPT seems to.
Speaker 2: Be the best one for like legal analysis and writing
Speaker 2: and writing templates when I have to when I start
Speaker 2: working with Excel spreadsheets, for example, when I want to
Speaker 2: compare large Excel spreadsheets and I want to I want
Speaker 2: to have AI shortcut some of that for me, I
Speaker 2: find that Gemini Google's seems to be the best one
Speaker 2: for me in that lane.
Speaker 3: And then the other thing.
Speaker 2: That we use a lot at work because we do
Speaker 2: a lot of presentations for clients and a lot of
Speaker 2: visual stuff. Will use mid Journey to create art and imagery,
Speaker 2: which is I think the industry leader easily for you know,
Speaker 2: creating those pictures in those and those slides that are.
Speaker 1: Oh so if you want to do it really you
Speaker 1: want to do images and stuff you like mid Journey,
Speaker 1: which I'd never even heard of.
Speaker 3: Mid Journey.
Speaker 2: Yeah, mid Journey's amazing. And I actually learned that an
Speaker 2: artist friend of mine in the Bay Area who said,
Speaker 2: that's the only one artists you're using is mid Journey?
Speaker 1: Jar that, Katie, because I know you do a lot
Speaker 1: of that. That's a good one. Mid Journey is that?
Speaker 1: And is that just something like I can put on
Speaker 1: my phone getting.
Speaker 2: That, Yeah, it's just a weblink or there's probably an app,
Speaker 2: but I just I just hit it on a on a.
Speaker 3: On a web page browser.
Speaker 2: And I actually do pay for the upgraded version of
Speaker 2: that one as well, because we we hit it a
Speaker 2: lot for creating. You know, you see a presentation at
Speaker 2: your job, right and you get so sick of seeing
Speaker 2: the same clip art over and over.
Speaker 3: Well, we'll just use mid Journey to create unique art.
Speaker 2: That way, I know that when I'm giving a presentation
Speaker 2: to a client, they've never seen this imagery before. It's
Speaker 2: not you know, some stock imagery, but that Journey. We
Speaker 2: hit it, but use a free version of it as well.
Speaker 1: Mid Journey. I'm looking for it, Okay, I haven't missed
Speaker 1: around with Google Gemini. I need to do that just
Speaker 1: because I know they're pouring so many billions of dollars
Speaker 1: into that sort of thing, because there's a big belief
Speaker 1: among Eli and Eli, Elon and Google and you know
Speaker 1: a couple of different people that whoever emerges as the leader,
Speaker 1: there's trillions of dollars involved in that, and it's worth
Speaker 1: trying to be the best. So I need to figure
Speaker 1: out what Gemini is up to. We'll talk more with
Speaker 1: Craig here in just a little bit about a bunch
Speaker 1: of different things. He's got some strong opinions on the
Speaker 1: war in Ukraine that I think are going to be
Speaker 1: a lot closer to a lot of you our listeners
Speaker 1: than I have been on Ukraine. So we'll get to
Speaker 1: that among other things coming up in just a little bit.
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Speaker 1: I don't need it. We're talking with Craig Gottwalls, who
Speaker 1: is a healthcare expert. I actually we're talking about other things.
Speaker 1: But if people want to get a hold of you,
Speaker 1: like for some healthcare advice, how do they get.
Speaker 3: A hold of you?
Speaker 2: The easiest way probably Gottwalls dot substack dot com.
Speaker 1: Okay, cool, we're just talking about AI and want to
Speaker 1: finish up that conversation. Uh, because I'm fascinated by it,
Speaker 1: and man, if you're not brushing up against it yet,
Speaker 1: you will be. So I suggest get on the front
Speaker 1: end of checking some of this stuff out. But I
Speaker 1: was talking to a teacher, my next door neighbor. She
Speaker 1: teaches ninth grade English, and I asked her about AI,
Speaker 1: and I can tell her eyes lit up and she
Speaker 1: kind of rolled her eyes, like, oh, yeah, it's really
Speaker 1: hard now to figure out if a kid wrote his
Speaker 1: paper and all this different sort of stuff. I know
Speaker 1: you've taught college classes in the past working with people.
Speaker 1: How do you is there is there a way to
Speaker 1: tell if something's AI or if some it's actually a
Speaker 1: human beings work.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's becoming it's becoming increasingly easy to tell honestly,
Speaker 2: because I use it so much. I can see how
Speaker 2: it writes, and I see how it works.
Speaker 3: It does things.
Speaker 2: Katie mentioned one earlier in the week, or maybe it
Speaker 2: was last week, the long dash, the ridiculously long dash
Speaker 2: that none of us ever grew up using.
Speaker 3: But AI uses like it's going out of style.
Speaker 2: True, And it's not just like I'm typing, I put
Speaker 2: a dash, and I keep typing and it puts a
Speaker 2: little dash in there. No, it's a it's a dash
Speaker 2: that goes all the way from one word to the next.
Speaker 2: If you see that in a response that you get,
Speaker 2: you know that was written by AI.
Speaker 1: That's true. I'm looking at Yeah, I'm looking at my
Speaker 1: chat GPT question about I was getting getting seasick on
Speaker 1: my sailing lessons and asking about what medicine is the
Speaker 1: best for that. Yeah, and all the answers really long
Speaker 1: dashes in there.
Speaker 3: Okay, a ton of them too.
Speaker 2: And I've even I've even gone into AI. Remember, I've
Speaker 2: got the upgraded version that I've trained, and I've said
Speaker 2: stop using that. I don't write that way. I've routed
Speaker 2: it back to all of my articles that I've written
Speaker 2: and said, this is how I write write this way,
Speaker 2: don't use those dashes, and for whatever reason, I can't
Speaker 2: get it to stop doing that. So I don't know
Speaker 2: how how smart AI is when when that's our reality
Speaker 2: right right. The other one is emojis gone wild. It
Speaker 2: will it will put so many emojis in a response
Speaker 2: a lot of times, especially people that are using it
Speaker 2: to put up posts on like LinkedIn or Instagram or whatever.
Speaker 2: You'll see just way too many emojis and all these
Speaker 2: like crazy emojis that humans don't ever use.
Speaker 3: It's just it's a total tell that it's a hi.
Speaker 1: Oh.
Speaker 2: And then the last one and this is a simple one.
Speaker 2: But if you have it write memo or if you
Speaker 2: have it write like a formal letter, it puts lines,
Speaker 2: like actual lines between the sections. And so sometimes I'll
Speaker 2: get something from somebody that's got the lines in it still,
Speaker 2: and I'm like, dude, you didn't even bother to delete
Speaker 2: the lines out of this pure AI that you just
Speaker 2: regurgitated back at me.
Speaker 1: So a lot and then.
Speaker 2: A lot of LinkedIn is AI you tell me, yeah,
Speaker 2: fifty And this was according to a studied I'm back
Speaker 2: in October.
Speaker 3: I swear to god, it's higher now.
Speaker 2: Fifty four percent of everything on LinkedIn is AI generated. Wow,
Speaker 2: even this is my favorite. There's a few attorneys that
Speaker 2: I like and I follow on LinkedIn that we share ideas.
Speaker 2: One of them has in their bio one hundred percent
Speaker 2: non AI generated. So I'm reading one of I won't
Speaker 2: even say the gender. I'm reading one of their posts
Speaker 2: the other day and it says and I'm reading it,
Speaker 2: and I'm going, this is AI. I can tell by
Speaker 2: the the all the little catchphrases it uses all the
Speaker 2: all the you know, here's the deal, and all the
Speaker 2: kind of almost like the bidenisms that it throws us
Speaker 2: out there, and I'm like, this is AI.
Speaker 3: So then here's another trick you can use.
Speaker 2: Go to Google and just type in AI detection tool
Speaker 2: and you'll be able to pull up, you know, dozens
Speaker 2: of different websites where you copy the text, paste it in,
Speaker 2: and then it'll tell you, with pretty good likelihood what
Speaker 2: percentage of that text generated was AI. So this is
Speaker 2: what university professors are using and high school teachers are
Speaker 2: using to detect it because it has all these tells
Speaker 2: in it that you just get used to over time.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's really interesting.
Speaker 3: One.
Speaker 1: I'm not smart enough or I haven't spent enough time
Speaker 1: with it to pick it up in print. But I
Speaker 1: feel like I can tell an AI image immediately. They're
Speaker 1: just too something, They're too something, they're too perfect. There's
Speaker 1: no human being that looks like that.
Speaker 3: The other tell this is fascinating.
Speaker 2: So we had a college intern working with us this
Speaker 2: summer and she was shadowing me for a couple of weeks.
Speaker 2: She told me it's so prevalent in her university that
Speaker 2: she will purposefully submit papers with five or six grammatical
Speaker 2: errors in them because she does not want to even
Speaker 2: come close to getting accused of using AI to write
Speaker 2: her papers.
Speaker 1: Ah wow, So you get AI to write a paper
Speaker 1: for you, then you go back in and put in
Speaker 1: some grammatical errors, and that's who you trick, your teacher. Okay,
Speaker 1: I do want to get to that Russia Ukraine stuff
Speaker 1: in just a second. There was I think a fair
Speaker 1: amount of movement that on that on Sunday with Lavrov
Speaker 1: on one of the talk we'll play you what he
Speaker 1: had to say and then discuss how much we should
Speaker 1: get into this war or not. If you miss the
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Speaker 5: No should know by now that never ever Russia deliberately
Speaker 5: targeted any sites which are not linked to military abilities
Speaker 5: of Ukraine.
Speaker 1: So that's Sergei Lavrov. He's the spokeshole for Vladimir Putin,
Speaker 1: has been for many, many years. He's a well, I
Speaker 1: was going to say he's a paid liar. He is.
Speaker 1: He is also in the situation that if he didn't
Speaker 1: lie properly for Putin, he would get he would fall
Speaker 1: out of a window all of a sudden, and his
Speaker 1: whole family would probably be killed. So that's a pretty
Speaker 1: big motivator to get out there and lie too. He's
Speaker 1: pretty good at it anyway. He was on Meet the
Speaker 1: Press on Sunday. Kristen Welker, the host, brought up the
Speaker 1: fact that Russia regularly targets civilians. He says they did not,
Speaker 1: and they went further with that conversation.
Speaker 4: Russia has hit maternity wards, churches, schools, hospitals at kindergarten
Speaker 4: just this past week. So either the Russian military has
Speaker 4: terrible aim or you are targeting civilians, which is it.
Speaker 5: Look NBC is a very respectful structure, and I hope
Speaker 5: you are responsible for the words which you broadcast. I
Speaker 5: asked you to send us or to publicize the information
Speaker 5: to which you just referred, because we never targeted the
Speaker 5: civilian targets of the kind you.
Speaker 1: Cited, So obviously that's a load of crap. But he's
Speaker 1: able to say, look, NBC is a very respected news organization.
Speaker 1: If you have the proof, send it to me. There
Speaker 1: would be no proof you could send to him that
Speaker 1: would satisfy him. And it's not like Putin just emerged
Speaker 1: on the scene. Not only is he doing it in Ukraine,
Speaker 1: he helped Bashar al Asad do it in Syria, you know,
Speaker 1: bombing the hell out of civilians, Carolyn one, hundreds of
Speaker 1: thousands of their own people to try and stay in
Speaker 1: power there. He blew up all those people in his
Speaker 1: own country, in his own hotel, his own Russian citizens.
Speaker 1: He blew up in a hotel to make it look
Speaker 1: like the Chechens had attacked, so he had a reason
Speaker 1: to go into Chechnya. I mean, he's an evil guy.
Speaker 1: He's willing to do anything which leads us to this.
Speaker 1: So we have Craig Gottwalds joining us today 'SU lyon
Speaker 1: talking about healthcare. But I wanted to talk to Craig
Speaker 1: about the Russia Ukraine situation, because he's closer to where
Speaker 1: a lot of you are on your opinions about US
Speaker 1: involvement in Ukraine. Joe and I are pretty big cheerleaders
Speaker 1: for arming the Ukrainians and pushing back hard and all
Speaker 1: that sort of stuff. Craig is not so. I don't
Speaker 1: know if you were listening earlier, Craig when we had
Speaker 1: justin logo on from Cato. He is closer to you
Speaker 1: with a pretty cold eyed reality look at the whole thing.
Speaker 1: What is your position on Russia Ukraine?
Speaker 2: Yeah, this is one I I just I haven't changed
Speaker 2: my opinion on this since day one of the war.
Speaker 2: And I just look at this and think, well, this
Speaker 2: is unfortunate. I don't like it, I don't support it.
Speaker 2: But the reality is you've got a giant nuclear power,
Speaker 2: one of the three largest powers on the planet, that's
Speaker 2: gonna that's gonna do whatever they want to do, and
Speaker 2: they're gonna they're gonna take over U one of their
Speaker 2: former client states, and we're not gonna do anything about it,
Speaker 2: whether it's China, whether it's America, if if, if might
Speaker 2: makes right and if in and then the world of
Speaker 2: war if we have the might and we have the
Speaker 2: manpower and we're willing to do whatever it takes. Like
Speaker 2: for I think about it this way, Like imagine Northern
Speaker 2: Mexico got so out of control with cartel behavior flowing
Speaker 2: into us, and we just decided, look, we got to
Speaker 2: go in and fix it.
Speaker 3: Now.
Speaker 2: I'm not saying what Russia's saying is right. I'm just saying,
Speaker 2: if we decided we needed to go into northern Mexico,
Speaker 2: how would we like it if all of a sudden,
Speaker 2: China and Russia we're funding the Mexicans with arms and
Speaker 2: with munitions. We wouldn't like it at all. We'd say,
Speaker 2: stay out of our neighborhood. This is our world, this
Speaker 2: is what we do. We're the world power. Back off
Speaker 2: unless you're willing to come here and fight us one
Speaker 2: on one. And I just feel like all we're doing
Speaker 2: in Ukraine is prolonging the blood bath. We're making it
Speaker 2: so that they lose a little more slowly and that
Speaker 2: more people die. And the quote from Marco Rubio you
Speaker 2: guys had a week or so ago, I thought was phenomenal.
Speaker 2: It's a meat grinder, and all we're doing is making
Speaker 2: it so that we can prolong the meat grinding, and
Speaker 2: Russia's going to win because they have what it was
Speaker 2: like a seven or a ten to one advantage in manpower.
Speaker 2: And then on top of all that, even if somehow,
Speaker 2: some way we were to arm Ukraine enough that Ukraine
Speaker 2: could push him back a little, I think Putin's actually
Speaker 2: shown restraint by not using a tactical nuke or really
Speaker 2: even waving that flag around, because you know what he
Speaker 2: has it and ultimately I view war as might makes right.
Speaker 2: So unless we're willing to go stand there and fight
Speaker 2: against them, I just think all we're doing is playing games.
Speaker 2: We're depleting our own weaponry, and we're not doing any
Speaker 2: favors to the world. Now I realize your comeback, Jack
Speaker 2: is going to be so you just let Putin take it.
Speaker 2: And the answer is yep. You let him take as
Speaker 2: much as he's going to take. And once he's taken
Speaker 2: enough that we say we're willing to go send our
Speaker 2: kids over to fight, that's when it'll stop.
Speaker 1: Yeah. That was my response to Justin logan from Cato
Speaker 1: earlier this morning, And if you didn't hear that, that
Speaker 1: was our one and you can find the podcast Armstrong
Speaker 1: and Getty on demand. But I said, so, won't this
Speaker 1: set up a situation if Putin gets away with it,
Speaker 1: using my finger quotes, get us away with that where
Speaker 1: China will decide, well we get to take Taiwana or
Speaker 1: any other bigger country gets to take it. And he said, well,
Speaker 1: that's the history of the world. It's always been that way.
Speaker 1: It's only this tiny it's going to happen.
Speaker 3: Anything about it.
Speaker 1: It's only this tiny blip of recent history where that
Speaker 1: hasn't been going on because the United States and the
Speaker 1: Soviet Union at the time were so big and powerful
Speaker 1: they stot and nobody did anything without their approval really
Speaker 1: in their own spheres. But and then the Cold War ended,
Speaker 1: and we were the lone superpower for really the blink
Speaker 1: of an eye. And now we're back to, you know,
Speaker 1: a uni unit more than a unipower world. There are
Speaker 1: a couple of different powers in the world. And that's
Speaker 1: just the way it's always been and it's always going
Speaker 1: to be and there's really not much you can do
Speaker 1: about it. That's hard to argue with that. I don't
Speaker 1: like it.
Speaker 2: I just I think the phrase I used with you
Speaker 2: and Joe the other day was just radical pragmatism, Like
Speaker 2: what's I've ever since this thing started, I never was
Speaker 2: emotional about it. I've always just thought, well, what's the end. Well,
Speaker 2: the end is Putin's gonna take whatever he wants because
Speaker 2: we're not going to go fight, and if we're not
Speaker 2: going to go fight, he's going to win. I mean
Speaker 2: that's just the I just don't know anyway around that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's hard to not be emotional about it, obviously,
Speaker 1: if you, you know, you watch the news and you
Speaker 1: hear from some of these Ukrainians who are who are
Speaker 1: literally fighting to save their families. I mean, because their
Speaker 1: children might be rounded up and taken away from mom
Speaker 1: to Russia, never to be seen again. Mom might be
Speaker 1: raped or killed. I mean, it's it's a pretty hard
Speaker 1: not to get emotional about it. But uh, you get
Speaker 1: as emotional as you want. But if you're not going
Speaker 1: to give him the arms or the troops or whatever
Speaker 1: it would take to win, there's no stopping them.
Speaker 3: And I don't think I don't think the arm. I
Speaker 3: think the arms is a red herring.
Speaker 2: I think all we're doing with the arms is prolonging
Speaker 2: the pain in the agony because we're not going to
Speaker 2: give them nukes, right, So, ultimately Putin has nukes and
Speaker 2: he'd be willing to use them because he's that crazy,
Speaker 2: I think, So what the hell are we doing? Like
Speaker 2: this is to me, what we're doing is dangerous and
Speaker 2: scary because ultimately he has nukes and he would be
Speaker 2: willing to use him. Yeah, so what are we even
Speaker 2: doing giving him arms?
Speaker 1: When we were talking to Mike Lyons, our favorite military
Speaker 1: guy yesterday, he seemed to think he wouldn't be very
Speaker 1: surprised if Putin somepoint uses a tactical nuke on one
Speaker 1: of those cities, kills like ten thousand people in one
Speaker 1: you know, a little shot of a small nuke, just
Speaker 1: to let everybody know, Hey, I'm serious about this. And
Speaker 1: he thinks the world would probably back off, the world
Speaker 1: would not say, Okay, we're at war now, NATO's not
Speaker 1: going to go to war to.
Speaker 3: Nuclear war over that.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I mean that's and that's now today. And I respect
Speaker 2: Mike Lyons's opinion a lot on these matters, obviously, And
Speaker 2: that's today. That's what Putin basically winning and getting everything
Speaker 2: he wants right now. Imagine if somehow, someway we gave
Speaker 2: enough that somehow Putin got pushed back, and we had
Speaker 2: Ukrainians moving into Moscow. Come on, what's going to happen?
Speaker 2: Then then he's really going to use a nuke, and
Speaker 2: then we've really done it. I just I've never understood
Speaker 2: the idea that we can prolong this war enough that Ukrainian,
Speaker 2: the Ukrainian people can somehow win.
Speaker 3: I just I've just never gotten it.
Speaker 1: Well, So I always think about China and Taiwan whenever
Speaker 1: we're having this conversation, and there's there's a quote that
Speaker 1: I don't know if it's been verified or not, but
Speaker 1: apparently Trump said at some point to someone, if China
Speaker 1: decides they're gonna take Taiwan, They're gonna take Taiwan. Because
Speaker 1: I think it's a similar situation. Are we gonna go
Speaker 1: to war with China over that?
Speaker 5: No?
Speaker 2: Or not?
Speaker 3: No? No it.
Speaker 2: I think if we tried to take Mexico, we would
Speaker 2: take Mexico. I just think it's the same, like, no
Speaker 2: one's gonna stop us. If we wanted to take Mexico, Yeah,
Speaker 2: we would take a black eye. The liberals would scream
Speaker 2: about it, but it's it's not gonna stop it. I just, yeah,
Speaker 2: I feel the same way I just I have family
Speaker 2: friends that just the grandparents just moved back to Taiwan,
Speaker 2: and I said, man, aren't they worried? And the response was,
Speaker 2: they're eighty five, they're not too You know, if they
Speaker 2: get taken over by China at this point, you know
Speaker 2: they're gonna ride it out that way. But I feel
Speaker 2: the same way. I just think Taiwan is there. We're
Speaker 2: not going to go to war over Taiwan.
Speaker 3: We're just not.
Speaker 1: Well, it's gonna be a much different world in the
Speaker 1: near future because of China controls that entire chunk of
Speaker 1: the ocean, the free sea lanes of the world that
Speaker 1: we have uh kept for eighty years. That'll be the
Speaker 1: end of that. But like the guy from Cato said,
Speaker 1: this was a blip in time. The history of the
Speaker 1: world is more like what's coming and what has been.
Speaker 1: That's really interesting stuff.
Speaker 3: Warfare has always been about. Miight makes right. It's just yeah,
Speaker 3: that is.
Speaker 2: That is, you know.
Speaker 1: I don't I don't have a I don't have a
Speaker 1: counter to that. At this point, I could see where
Speaker 1: Europe might decide it's there and there. They didn't and
Speaker 1: they're not going to I mean, if they were going
Speaker 1: to you would have thought they would have earlier. I
Speaker 1: could see how Europe, since it's their own damn backyard,
Speaker 1: would decide we're gonna put up quite a fight here.
Speaker 1: But they didn't. I mean, I mean, and they were
Speaker 1: willing to continue to I mean, we canceled the nord
Speaker 1: Stream pipeline.
Speaker 5: The uh.
Speaker 1: Germany was all for continuing to buy natural gas from
Speaker 1: Russia after the war started. So yeah, that's just the
Speaker 1: reality of the world. I may have moved on this topic,
Speaker 1: it took me three years to get shocking. It's I
Speaker 1: can't I can't believe how long it's gone on again.
Speaker 3: Again.
Speaker 1: I think it's restraint of Putin that's allowed to even
Speaker 1: go on this long, because I think he probably could
Speaker 1: have won this thing earlier had he been even more
Speaker 1: brutal and violent. And you know, the guy, the guy
Speaker 1: is a he's a lizard, he's a shark. He I
Speaker 1: think he's played this thing just about perfectly. And I
Speaker 1: can't I can't even fathom when we get these hot
Speaker 1: mic moments of Trump saying to Macrone, I think he
Speaker 1: wants to do a deal for me. I mean, come on,
Speaker 1: it's Trump dealing with this is better than Biden, but
Speaker 1: not a whole hell of a lot better. After I
Speaker 1: hear things like that, well, well that's one of the
Speaker 1: reasons I wanted to have you on was talk about
Speaker 1: that to get that point of view on and I
Speaker 1: may I may be convinced at this point. Hey, Craig, Gotwalls.
Speaker 1: Appreciate your time today on all these different topics. You're
Speaker 1: a smart guy and like hearing what you have to
Speaker 1: talk about. And again, if somebody has healthcare questions, you
Speaker 1: run a business, you need advice, how do they get
Speaker 1: a hold of you?
Speaker 2: Got Walls, two t's one l dot substack dot com.
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Speaker 1: So the Cracker Barrel remodeled, getting so much damn attention.
Speaker 1: Of course, Hooters is trying to make a big push
Speaker 1: for a comeback with like a new vibe Hooters of
Speaker 1: all places, but a lot of the way stay here arms.
Speaker 1: The Oakland A's baseball team now plays in Sacramento, California.
Speaker 1: That's where this radio show is based. Actually they play
Speaker 1: in Westsak, which is its own individual town West Sacramento anyway,
Speaker 1: So it's been very exciting that this major league baseball
Speaker 1: team is playing this tiny minor league park, and so
Speaker 1: you can go to these major League baseball games and
Speaker 1: the worst seat there is quite possibly the best seat
Speaker 1: you've ever had in a major League baseball game. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's that much smaller than a major league baseball parkt
Speaker 1: what does it seat, like eleven thousand or nine thousand
Speaker 1: or stuff like that as opposed to fifty five thousand
Speaker 1: if you go to a regular But they beat Detroit
Speaker 1: last night. Yeah, it's on one game, doesn't really matter.
Speaker 1: The A's are in last place. But so it made
Speaker 1: me look up the where the baseball season is currently.
Speaker 1: I'm not a hardcore fan. I will watch when the
Speaker 1: playoffs start. They're about one hundred and thirty games in.
Speaker 1: They play one hundred and sixty two per year, so
Speaker 1: we've got about thirty games left. Do you know what
Speaker 1: team has the best record in all of Major League Baseball?
Speaker 1: It's the Milwaukee Brewers with eighty two wins in the
Speaker 1: National League. They've won seven more games than the LA Dodgers,
Speaker 1: who have a payroll of about nine Quinn trillion dollars
Speaker 1: and have tried to buy every All Star that exists
Speaker 1: in the entire sport. So the Brewers are way ahead
Speaker 1: of the Dodgers in terms of a record. So that
Speaker 1: is going to be a fun one to watch. They
Speaker 1: might be on a collision course, the Dodgers and the Brewers,
Speaker 1: and perhaps the pottery is also in the Phillies. But
Speaker 1: would love to see the Dodgers Brewers man. You talk
Speaker 1: about a tiny market against the biggest of big dogs. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that would be pretty fun. Different story. We've been a
Speaker 1: lot of talk about Cracker Barrel in their remodel, which
Speaker 1: I don't like, the looks of the new insides, if
Speaker 1: that's actually going to happen, and whether or not it's
Speaker 1: woke or not, and all that different sort of stuff.
Speaker 1: What do you call that kind of dining? There's a
Speaker 1: name for it. Is it comfort food or I don't know,
Speaker 1: I don't know why you call the place like your Applebee's,
Speaker 1: your Chili's, your cracker barrels. They're not fast food. There's
Speaker 1: a name for it. This is chain restaurants. Yeah, they're chains,
Speaker 1: but there's a name for that kind of dining anyway,
Speaker 1: you know, it's it's obviously a way a step ahead
Speaker 1: above fast food, but it's certainly not fancy by any means.
Speaker 1: Is Hooters? I think Hooters is one of those too,
Speaker 1: But yeahs obviously had its own brand for the chicks
Speaker 1: wearing those ridiculous outfits. I mean, they're just stupid looking outfits.
Speaker 1: I don't care how hot you are, it's still a
Speaker 1: stupid looking outfit.
Speaker 6: Apparently it's referred to as casual dining.
Speaker 1: I think it's casual fast or some people call it
Speaker 1: brass and glass, but.
Speaker 6: Yeah, Hooters totally falls into that with their raunchy outfits.
Speaker 6: So they were calling it a breastrant by the way.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and we've never quite understood the hubbub over Hooters
Speaker 1: because it's a sports bar with young attractive women wearing
Speaker 1: shorts and tank tops. You know what other sports bars
Speaker 1: are out like that? Every single one of them in
Speaker 1: the country is like that. Young attractive women usually barked
Speaker 1: in there because they make good tips and they wear
Speaker 1: shorts and tak tops. So I know Hooters is nothing
Speaker 1: different than that. But anyway, apparently there's a I don't
Speaker 1: know anything about the Hooters business model, don't quote me
Speaker 1: onto this, I don't care, but they were going out
Speaker 1: of business, or one section of them was going out
Speaker 1: of business, or fifty locations I know were bankrupt. And
Speaker 1: they're so they're trying to come up with a rebrand
Speaker 1: where perhaps the girls wear longer orange shorts but still
Speaker 1: the tank tops. But according to their website, they're still
Speaker 1: looking for servers who will maintain a glamorous hairstyle and
Speaker 1: have the ability to maintain attractive an attractive fit image.
Speaker 6: Oh oh, there's the problem right there.
Speaker 1: So I don't know. We were talking with Tim the
Speaker 1: lawyer about this earlier where this moving company might be
Speaker 1: in trouble because they only hire young, strong men to
Speaker 1: move furniture. They're not hiring a lot of sixty three
Speaker 1: year olds with a bad back. And whether or not
Speaker 1: that you know, is an equal employment problem or whatever,
Speaker 1: I don't know what Hooter, what situation Hooters is in
Speaker 1: If you have to have a glamorous hairstyling according to
Speaker 1: who them, and maintain an attractive and fit image.
Speaker 6: See, that's where all of my red flags are going up,
Speaker 6: because here comes the body positivity people going well, technically,
Speaker 6: according to my doctor, I'm perfectly healthy.
Speaker 1: I don't know how you get around that stuff. I mean,
Speaker 1: I've known people who ran sportscar bars. I've known owners
Speaker 1: who owned sports bars, and all the chicks at work
Speaker 1: there were attractive and wear shorts and taktops. But I
Speaker 1: don't think anybody said anything. I don't think it was
Speaker 1: a rule. It's just he hired people that he thought
Speaker 1: would look good and they knew what they were supposed
Speaker 1: to wear or were perfectly happy wearing that, because that
Speaker 1: was what's going to make the most tips. I don't
Speaker 1: know that it had to be in writing. Hmmm, well,
Speaker 1: we'll see if Hooter does away with those ridiculous shorts
Speaker 1: and having them wear them. Do they still wear the Nylons?
Speaker 1: I haven't. I think I've been in a Hooters once
Speaker 1: in my life and I thought this is not my
Speaker 1: kind of place. Yeah, they were the Nylons with the
Speaker 1: stupid little I have not been since high school. I'm
Speaker 1: next to a Hooters. As a drunk, I lived the
Speaker 1: block away from a Hooters. I never went in there.
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