1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:03,840 Speaker 1: Welcome to Ruthie's Table four, a production of iHeartRadio and 2 00:00:03,920 --> 00:00:05,480 Speaker 1: Adamized Studios. 3 00:00:06,960 --> 00:00:09,720 Speaker 2: The films of Olivia Coleman have the power to move 4 00:00:09,800 --> 00:00:13,119 Speaker 2: us to tears, make us laugh, and inspire us to 5 00:00:13,160 --> 00:00:17,160 Speaker 2: try something new. They can also make us feel really, 6 00:00:17,200 --> 00:00:21,959 Speaker 2: really hungry. In the Favorite playing Queen Anne, Olivia Coleman 7 00:00:22,040 --> 00:00:25,760 Speaker 2: conveys her authority by insisting on a cup of over 8 00:00:25,920 --> 00:00:30,120 Speaker 2: rich hot chocolate, and there are tables laden with roasted venison, 9 00:00:30,320 --> 00:00:35,720 Speaker 2: lamb cakes, desserts, the symbols of wealth and privilege. None 10 00:00:35,720 --> 00:00:39,440 Speaker 2: to the Queen. What what you cannot have hot chocolate? 11 00:00:39,880 --> 00:00:42,920 Speaker 2: Your stomach sugar inflames? It I begat having that cup? 12 00:00:43,000 --> 00:00:43,280 Speaker 1: Do not? 13 00:00:43,760 --> 00:00:46,880 Speaker 2: I'm sorry, I do not know what to do. Oh fine, 14 00:00:46,960 --> 00:00:48,760 Speaker 2: give it her and you can get a bucket in 15 00:00:48,800 --> 00:00:53,080 Speaker 2: a mop for the aftermath. I met Olivia over food 16 00:00:53,120 --> 00:00:55,600 Speaker 2: one night in the River Cafe. She was with my 17 00:00:55,680 --> 00:00:59,040 Speaker 2: friend Maggie gillinol and they just wrap filming for their 18 00:00:59,080 --> 00:01:02,080 Speaker 2: movie The Lost Daughter in Greece. It is not an 19 00:01:02,120 --> 00:01:05,959 Speaker 2: exaggeration to say they pretty much ordered everything on the menu. 20 00:01:06,760 --> 00:01:10,160 Speaker 2: We immediately got into talking about feeding our kids, cooking, 21 00:01:10,640 --> 00:01:14,160 Speaker 2: and inflicted distance from family when working this was a 22 00:01:14,200 --> 00:01:16,840 Speaker 2: conversation that could have lasted for hours, but I had 23 00:01:16,840 --> 00:01:19,000 Speaker 2: to go back to the kitchen and she needed to 24 00:01:19,040 --> 00:01:22,720 Speaker 2: finish your lemon pasta before it cooled down. Today we're 25 00:01:22,760 --> 00:01:24,800 Speaker 2: here in the River Cafe and she is the one 26 00:01:24,800 --> 00:01:28,000 Speaker 2: who's been cooking the lemon pasta. Now we're going to 27 00:01:28,040 --> 00:01:31,200 Speaker 2: pick up where we left off. Conversation with a woman 28 00:01:31,360 --> 00:01:35,679 Speaker 2: I admire, I respect, and I adore lucky me. Oh, 29 00:01:35,800 --> 00:01:40,160 Speaker 2: that was the best introduction. Thanks, that's true. It's true. 30 00:01:40,160 --> 00:01:43,440 Speaker 2: So you're in the River Cafe kitchen with Alex, who's 31 00:01:43,560 --> 00:01:46,600 Speaker 2: on the section called Hots two, which does pasta. So 32 00:01:46,880 --> 00:01:49,040 Speaker 2: what was it like? What did you just say? Lovely, 33 00:01:49,520 --> 00:01:52,560 Speaker 2: you chose for your recipe tag you Telly with lemon, 34 00:01:52,720 --> 00:01:55,720 Speaker 2: cream and parsley, and I wonder if you would like 35 00:01:55,760 --> 00:01:58,200 Speaker 2: to read it. 36 00:01:58,400 --> 00:02:03,040 Speaker 3: Four hundred grams taglete, mold and salt and coarsely ground 37 00:02:03,080 --> 00:02:07,280 Speaker 3: black pepper, three hundred miles double cream, one hundred and 38 00:02:07,280 --> 00:02:12,040 Speaker 3: twenty grams unsalted butter, softened zest and juice of four 39 00:02:12,160 --> 00:02:17,080 Speaker 3: juicy lemons. Six tablespoons roughly chopped flat leaf parsley, one 40 00:02:17,240 --> 00:02:20,040 Speaker 3: hundred and fifty grams of grated parmitan. 41 00:02:22,240 --> 00:02:24,440 Speaker 4: This is the one you chose. Sure, yeah, I mean 42 00:02:24,440 --> 00:02:27,079 Speaker 4: it it is absolutely lovely and classic and I think 43 00:02:27,200 --> 00:02:30,040 Speaker 4: sort of as you start being this time of year, 44 00:02:30,240 --> 00:02:32,359 Speaker 4: is you know, it's like start a bit more light 45 00:02:32,400 --> 00:02:35,440 Speaker 4: in summary that still on its slightly miserable. 46 00:02:35,440 --> 00:02:37,240 Speaker 2: Well have I picked that too easy? You? 47 00:02:37,320 --> 00:02:40,200 Speaker 4: No, No, this is great, it's fantastic. What we want 48 00:02:40,240 --> 00:02:43,560 Speaker 4: to do is we basically just get everything in in 49 00:02:43,600 --> 00:02:45,239 Speaker 4: the path that we need. So we're going to have 50 00:02:45,280 --> 00:02:50,640 Speaker 4: a bit of butter, of bit of cream. 51 00:02:49,400 --> 00:02:52,880 Speaker 3: In a large, thick bottomed saucepan. Gently heat the cream. 52 00:02:53,240 --> 00:02:56,800 Speaker 3: When warm, add the butter, lemon juice, and zest, stir 53 00:02:56,880 --> 00:02:57,680 Speaker 3: briefly together. 54 00:02:57,960 --> 00:02:59,080 Speaker 2: Then remove from the heat. 55 00:03:00,040 --> 00:03:03,000 Speaker 3: Cook the taglitarian a generous amount of boiling salted water 56 00:03:03,360 --> 00:03:07,120 Speaker 3: until al dente, and then drain, stir into the warm 57 00:03:07,160 --> 00:03:10,960 Speaker 3: cream and season. Add half the parsley and tossed together. 58 00:03:12,600 --> 00:03:13,720 Speaker 4: Do you want to like toss it? 59 00:03:14,080 --> 00:03:16,080 Speaker 2: Can? I? Yeah? 60 00:03:15,880 --> 00:03:17,919 Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah, because I feel like, sorry, that's a 61 00:03:17,960 --> 00:03:20,880 Speaker 4: bit you know, we've still got a bit of you know, 62 00:03:22,040 --> 00:03:23,519 Speaker 4: we just give it a good old. 63 00:03:25,320 --> 00:03:31,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, exactly. 64 00:03:32,200 --> 00:03:35,480 Speaker 3: Serve immediately on warm plates with the remainder of the 65 00:03:35,520 --> 00:03:38,840 Speaker 3: parsley and the parmesan as it cools. 66 00:03:38,880 --> 00:03:40,760 Speaker 4: It will sort of thicken up a little bit and 67 00:03:40,800 --> 00:03:42,840 Speaker 4: then a little bit of parmesan on top, and that's 68 00:03:42,840 --> 00:03:45,040 Speaker 4: sort of what we're looking for. 69 00:03:45,800 --> 00:03:47,760 Speaker 2: Looks pretty Oh. 70 00:03:52,560 --> 00:03:53,200 Speaker 4: Thank you. 71 00:03:53,240 --> 00:03:58,160 Speaker 2: What did you observe? Yeah, just amazing. He said you 72 00:03:58,200 --> 00:04:02,640 Speaker 2: cooked it? You actually did well. I think you definitely. 73 00:04:02,640 --> 00:04:04,760 Speaker 2: It's not easy to go into it. Let me do that. 74 00:04:05,040 --> 00:04:08,200 Speaker 2: I did the tossing. Yeah, did you catch it? Yeah? 75 00:04:08,280 --> 00:04:09,760 Speaker 2: Well I did make a bit of a mess of 76 00:04:09,800 --> 00:04:15,360 Speaker 2: your floor. Sorry, Oh dear, okay, wanted no, we didn't 77 00:04:15,400 --> 00:04:24,560 Speaker 2: want to do. Do you see food and your ability 78 00:04:24,560 --> 00:04:26,800 Speaker 2: to eat, well, it's a kind of measure of your success. 79 00:04:27,120 --> 00:04:29,760 Speaker 2: People very often see that that we've talked to would 80 00:04:29,760 --> 00:04:33,960 Speaker 2: say as their success increased, they measured it by being 81 00:04:34,000 --> 00:04:36,480 Speaker 2: able to go to a good restaurant, better bottle of wine, 82 00:04:36,839 --> 00:04:39,839 Speaker 2: even not have to look at the right hand side 83 00:04:40,080 --> 00:04:43,279 Speaker 2: for the prices before they looked at what they wanted 84 00:04:43,320 --> 00:04:45,960 Speaker 2: to eat. Yeah. The difference is, so is that how 85 00:04:46,080 --> 00:04:47,640 Speaker 2: is that measured in your career? 86 00:04:47,720 --> 00:04:50,960 Speaker 3: I remember, we've got a close group of active friends 87 00:04:51,000 --> 00:04:53,560 Speaker 3: that we all were drama school together and we've all 88 00:04:53,600 --> 00:04:56,080 Speaker 3: stayed very close. But when we first left drama school, 89 00:04:56,080 --> 00:05:00,000 Speaker 3: sometimes we'd go to you know, a pub for someone's 90 00:05:00,080 --> 00:05:02,960 Speaker 3: birthday to eat, and it was very much sort of 91 00:05:03,680 --> 00:05:05,800 Speaker 3: how about should we share that all of us were? 92 00:05:06,000 --> 00:05:08,720 Speaker 3: You know, really there wasn't much lots of money going 93 00:05:08,720 --> 00:05:13,599 Speaker 3: around and renting terrible places and trying to share something 94 00:05:13,720 --> 00:05:16,760 Speaker 3: between us. Or if we clubbed together and buy one 95 00:05:16,800 --> 00:05:18,640 Speaker 3: bottle and then we could always get something from the 96 00:05:18,640 --> 00:05:20,360 Speaker 3: offfee on the way home and have more to drink 97 00:05:20,360 --> 00:05:24,880 Speaker 3: because it's cheaper at home. And then cut to you know, 98 00:05:24,960 --> 00:05:26,800 Speaker 3: years later, I could say, let's walk out with dinner 99 00:05:27,000 --> 00:05:29,160 Speaker 3: my shout, or you know, what. 100 00:05:29,200 --> 00:05:32,400 Speaker 2: Did you eat after we had the ark? Was that 101 00:05:32,520 --> 00:05:35,320 Speaker 2: celebrated with food? No? 102 00:05:35,520 --> 00:05:37,480 Speaker 3: I think that was entirely booze. 103 00:05:39,200 --> 00:05:41,680 Speaker 2: You could do another program called you know. 104 00:05:45,279 --> 00:05:47,880 Speaker 3: I think I was so out of it sort of 105 00:05:47,920 --> 00:05:49,320 Speaker 3: I couldn't believe what had happened. 106 00:05:49,760 --> 00:05:52,600 Speaker 2: You did seem very sharp, yes, And why why were 107 00:05:52,640 --> 00:05:57,320 Speaker 2: you so surprised? I didn't think i'd get it, you know, 108 00:05:57,360 --> 00:06:01,080 Speaker 2: the first time I'd been nominated, and we were so 109 00:06:01,120 --> 00:06:02,640 Speaker 2: proud of the film and everything, but I just thought 110 00:06:02,680 --> 00:06:04,080 Speaker 2: that that's never gonna happen. 111 00:06:04,480 --> 00:06:08,640 Speaker 3: That's well, it makes you emotional. It was such a 112 00:06:09,000 --> 00:06:10,400 Speaker 3: ridiculous thing to have happened. 113 00:06:10,520 --> 00:06:10,880 Speaker 2: In a way. 114 00:06:11,560 --> 00:06:13,760 Speaker 3: Yeah, I can't believe it. Still can't quite believe that happened. 115 00:06:14,000 --> 00:06:17,599 Speaker 3: I did afterwards. 116 00:06:17,800 --> 00:06:21,240 Speaker 2: Yeah. Do you are you an emotional eater? Do you 117 00:06:21,240 --> 00:06:24,120 Speaker 2: eat when you're happy or sad? Do you both? Yeah? 118 00:06:24,880 --> 00:06:28,240 Speaker 3: Yeah, I do love you know, the comfort foods or 119 00:06:29,160 --> 00:06:31,599 Speaker 3: hot buttered toast butter place. 120 00:06:31,800 --> 00:06:36,320 Speaker 2: I love butter. Toast is basically just a vehicle for butter. Agree. 121 00:06:36,680 --> 00:06:38,280 Speaker 2: My mother in law used to say that butter is 122 00:06:38,320 --> 00:06:41,040 Speaker 2: the best cheese, you know. She treated it like cheese. 123 00:06:41,480 --> 00:06:43,880 Speaker 2: You just have a piece of slab butter until she 124 00:06:43,960 --> 00:06:46,760 Speaker 2: decided that it was would kill you, so that I 125 00:06:46,800 --> 00:06:49,120 Speaker 2: was never allowed to cook with butter after that. But 126 00:06:49,960 --> 00:06:52,599 Speaker 2: it is really Yeah, I like it. And when you 127 00:06:52,680 --> 00:06:55,200 Speaker 2: make a film like, for instance, going to Greece, when 128 00:06:55,240 --> 00:06:58,359 Speaker 2: you made The Lost Order, what. 129 00:06:58,320 --> 00:07:01,760 Speaker 3: With Maggie too, Yeah, all of the casts were in 130 00:07:01,760 --> 00:07:05,000 Speaker 3: the same hotel. Maggie had a little house separately because 131 00:07:05,000 --> 00:07:06,919 Speaker 3: she had to do grown up things think about the 132 00:07:06,920 --> 00:07:07,360 Speaker 3: next day. 133 00:07:07,800 --> 00:07:09,520 Speaker 2: And we were all quite badly behaved. 134 00:07:10,200 --> 00:07:14,680 Speaker 3: Who you were so me Jesse Dakota, Dakacha Johnson, Jesse Buckley, 135 00:07:14,720 --> 00:07:20,360 Speaker 3: to Coach Johnson, Paul Meskill, Ollie Jackson, Cohen, Dagmara demin 136 00:07:20,480 --> 00:07:22,400 Speaker 3: chic who else? 137 00:07:22,480 --> 00:07:24,440 Speaker 2: I feel awful if I'm missing anyone else out. 138 00:07:24,760 --> 00:07:30,080 Speaker 3: But we were all together and quite badly behaved and eating. 139 00:07:30,640 --> 00:07:32,640 Speaker 3: We knew exactly the menu because we'd all been the 140 00:07:32,640 --> 00:07:35,800 Speaker 3: same hotel for I think six weeks, so we knew 141 00:07:35,840 --> 00:07:38,920 Speaker 3: the menu back to front. And they were very sweet 142 00:07:38,960 --> 00:07:41,360 Speaker 3: and would do very But I remember they had a 143 00:07:41,440 --> 00:07:44,560 Speaker 3: deconstructed fetter, you know Greek salad, so it was a 144 00:07:44,600 --> 00:07:46,840 Speaker 3: really different fetter, not a solid one, but quite a 145 00:07:46,880 --> 00:07:50,280 Speaker 3: soft one, laid out sort of prettily rather than you 146 00:07:50,320 --> 00:07:53,360 Speaker 3: know what. But I remember from a childhood holidays degrees 147 00:07:53,400 --> 00:07:55,720 Speaker 3: which is great big chunks of everything in a bomb 148 00:07:56,360 --> 00:07:57,920 Speaker 3: or I have you even got pictures of the food, 149 00:07:58,560 --> 00:08:02,920 Speaker 3: and they did a savice something with mango and mm, 150 00:08:04,480 --> 00:08:07,560 Speaker 3: lovely things. This is when Greece in Greece, sorry, in 151 00:08:07,560 --> 00:08:12,920 Speaker 3: the hotel in the Posidonian and your parents as well, Yes, 152 00:08:12,960 --> 00:08:16,040 Speaker 3: we did go to Greece as it as yeah, as kids, 153 00:08:16,080 --> 00:08:21,640 Speaker 3: and I remember then eating octopus. I couldn't eat octopus 154 00:08:21,640 --> 00:08:24,080 Speaker 3: now because i've you know, the multipus teacher and learning 155 00:08:24,080 --> 00:08:25,520 Speaker 3: so much about how clever they are. I can't do 156 00:08:25,560 --> 00:08:28,400 Speaker 3: it but to eat it straight out of the sea 157 00:08:28,560 --> 00:08:30,640 Speaker 3: so fresh and squid. 158 00:08:30,840 --> 00:08:33,720 Speaker 2: And so did your parents travel with you when you 159 00:08:33,720 --> 00:08:34,520 Speaker 2: were a kid, did you know? 160 00:08:35,120 --> 00:08:37,960 Speaker 3: No, they weren't really travelers. But my dad's best friend 161 00:08:38,080 --> 00:08:41,520 Speaker 3: moved to Naples when I was twelve. I don't think 162 00:08:41,559 --> 00:08:43,960 Speaker 3: they'd ever been to Italy, and we decided to go 163 00:08:44,040 --> 00:08:47,760 Speaker 3: and we stayed with them. 164 00:08:46,920 --> 00:08:47,480 Speaker 2: In the summer. 165 00:08:48,080 --> 00:08:50,760 Speaker 3: Yes, in the summer, we went to Ischia in the 166 00:08:50,760 --> 00:08:54,240 Speaker 3: Bay of Naples and just had because they lived there 167 00:08:54,240 --> 00:08:55,440 Speaker 3: and he married an Italian woman. 168 00:08:55,480 --> 00:08:56,880 Speaker 2: We had incredible food. 169 00:08:56,920 --> 00:09:00,040 Speaker 3: We went to amazing restaurants, and we didn't know what 170 00:09:00,080 --> 00:09:01,800 Speaker 3: we were doing, so he would trust me and he 171 00:09:01,840 --> 00:09:05,120 Speaker 3: would order something of everything and try these beautiful things. 172 00:09:05,120 --> 00:09:09,280 Speaker 3: We went to little restaurants in people's houses in the hills. 173 00:09:09,760 --> 00:09:12,520 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, is it when I was twelve? I was 174 00:09:12,520 --> 00:09:14,800 Speaker 3: born in seventy four and I can't do maths. 175 00:09:14,880 --> 00:09:19,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, so that's eighty two, well done, No twelve, No maths, 176 00:09:19,200 --> 00:09:23,880 Speaker 2: it's either seventy four eighty eighty six. How long did 177 00:09:23,920 --> 00:09:30,199 Speaker 2: it take us to add twelve to seventy four eighty 178 00:09:30,360 --> 00:09:33,080 Speaker 2: that's the year before we started here. And it's interesting 179 00:09:33,120 --> 00:09:36,320 Speaker 2: that you know your first introduction to Italian cucoo was 180 00:09:36,360 --> 00:09:39,400 Speaker 2: southern you know so regional. Isn't it that the different 181 00:09:39,480 --> 00:09:41,719 Speaker 2: said you go on to Venice, you would have had 182 00:09:41,800 --> 00:09:44,560 Speaker 2: completely different food. Yeah. And I love the food of 183 00:09:44,559 --> 00:09:47,160 Speaker 2: southern Italy. I did that last year. I went sailing 184 00:09:47,200 --> 00:09:51,280 Speaker 2: in that area and it's lemons and basil. Yeah, you know, 185 00:09:51,440 --> 00:09:54,880 Speaker 2: fish fresh, yeah, fresh, really good. So let's go back 186 00:09:54,920 --> 00:09:59,480 Speaker 2: to the beginnings. Yes, born in Norfolk, Yes, not really. 187 00:10:00,160 --> 00:10:04,440 Speaker 3: Family of food. Food was always love. We'd always sit 188 00:10:04,520 --> 00:10:08,000 Speaker 3: together and we had dinner. Yeah, I mean a lot 189 00:10:08,040 --> 00:10:11,280 Speaker 3: of My mum was a nurse. Often she'd come in. 190 00:10:11,320 --> 00:10:13,240 Speaker 3: It would be quick. We might sit on the sofa 191 00:10:13,440 --> 00:10:16,320 Speaker 3: watch Telly with food on our laps and you know, 192 00:10:16,679 --> 00:10:20,920 Speaker 3: doctor who. But when people came around, it was an 193 00:10:20,960 --> 00:10:22,760 Speaker 3: excuse for my dad to open a bottle of wine 194 00:10:23,280 --> 00:10:24,040 Speaker 3: and entertain. 195 00:10:24,200 --> 00:10:26,640 Speaker 2: And who did the cooking? Then? Would he ever cook? 196 00:10:27,120 --> 00:10:30,560 Speaker 2: My mum did the cooking. She never really loved cooking. 197 00:10:30,840 --> 00:10:33,559 Speaker 3: And her mum, I remember my granny sort of dreaded 198 00:10:33,559 --> 00:10:37,360 Speaker 3: people coming around, and we'd always have slightly overcooked salmon, 199 00:10:37,760 --> 00:10:41,559 Speaker 3: new potatoes and green beans. 200 00:10:41,559 --> 00:10:42,160 Speaker 2: I think that was it. 201 00:10:42,240 --> 00:10:45,280 Speaker 3: Every time I went to my granny's house, and then 202 00:10:45,360 --> 00:10:47,720 Speaker 3: my mum whenever anyone came for a dinner party. 203 00:10:47,760 --> 00:10:51,600 Speaker 2: I can just remember cold Morney that's with cheese and 204 00:10:51,679 --> 00:10:55,600 Speaker 2: kind of crepes and spinach I think, yeah, yeah, and 205 00:10:56,160 --> 00:10:58,000 Speaker 2: new potatoes, as simple as possible. 206 00:10:58,240 --> 00:11:01,480 Speaker 3: She really didn't want to spend much time after that 207 00:11:01,520 --> 00:11:04,960 Speaker 3: trip to Italy. My dad decided he wanted to get 208 00:11:05,000 --> 00:11:08,320 Speaker 3: involved and started to particularly pastors. 209 00:11:07,880 --> 00:11:10,240 Speaker 2: And things, and that's what did you do. 210 00:11:10,760 --> 00:11:14,160 Speaker 3: He was a surveyor, chilter surveyor, but he quite liked 211 00:11:14,200 --> 00:11:17,319 Speaker 3: the glass of wine feeding everybody. 212 00:11:17,960 --> 00:11:21,680 Speaker 2: He wasn't great, but he was enthusiastic. I think it 213 00:11:21,760 --> 00:11:24,679 Speaker 2: is hard for a woman who was a nurse, you know, 214 00:11:24,920 --> 00:11:27,160 Speaker 2: to think about did she work nights? 215 00:11:27,640 --> 00:11:29,640 Speaker 3: By the time I came along, she wasn't doing nights 216 00:11:29,640 --> 00:11:31,560 Speaker 3: because she wasn't working in the hospital. She was working 217 00:11:31,760 --> 00:11:36,000 Speaker 3: on the district, so I can't even remember. She must 218 00:11:36,040 --> 00:11:38,520 Speaker 3: have been on call if someone needed her at night time. 219 00:11:38,559 --> 00:11:41,200 Speaker 3: But she worked Christmas Day, you know. She always took 220 00:11:41,240 --> 00:11:43,679 Speaker 3: the shifts that she knew other people didn't really want 221 00:11:43,679 --> 00:11:43,840 Speaker 3: to do. 222 00:11:43,880 --> 00:11:44,200 Speaker 2: I think. 223 00:11:44,240 --> 00:11:47,040 Speaker 3: And your grandmother lived near you, often i'd go and 224 00:11:47,040 --> 00:11:50,079 Speaker 3: stay there. If Mum and Dad were very busy, I'd 225 00:11:50,080 --> 00:11:52,360 Speaker 3: go and stay with my granny. And she always had 226 00:11:52,640 --> 00:11:54,000 Speaker 3: orange club biscuits in her. 227 00:11:54,280 --> 00:11:55,960 Speaker 2: So, what are your memories of your grandmother? 228 00:11:56,240 --> 00:12:01,400 Speaker 3: My grand orange club biscuits, Rabina hilariously bed so that's 229 00:12:01,800 --> 00:12:03,000 Speaker 3: sugar all night. 230 00:12:04,600 --> 00:12:08,000 Speaker 2: Probably they didn't think about that. No, no, not at all, 231 00:12:08,400 --> 00:12:14,160 Speaker 2: and look pretty okay, So the memories. What about your 232 00:12:14,160 --> 00:12:18,920 Speaker 2: father's mother. She was an amazing baker girl. We found 233 00:12:18,920 --> 00:12:21,480 Speaker 2: someone in the what did she make? 234 00:12:22,240 --> 00:12:25,280 Speaker 3: Just there was always she had a little larder and 235 00:12:26,120 --> 00:12:28,720 Speaker 3: she'd always go we have a little look in the cupboard. 236 00:12:28,720 --> 00:12:31,240 Speaker 3: There go on and there was always been at a 237 00:12:31,280 --> 00:12:32,720 Speaker 3: little bit of cake and made you a little bit 238 00:12:32,800 --> 00:12:36,840 Speaker 3: something or shortbreads, fruitcake which I'd ever liked. So she'd 239 00:12:36,840 --> 00:12:39,720 Speaker 3: always make me a little chocolate cake. And yeah, just 240 00:12:40,080 --> 00:12:42,120 Speaker 3: we were always allowed to go in and help ourselves. 241 00:12:42,440 --> 00:12:47,360 Speaker 2: So growing up Norfrika's see only place incredible secret. 242 00:12:47,559 --> 00:12:50,640 Speaker 3: We used to also our holidays were also camping in Norfolk, 243 00:12:50,720 --> 00:12:52,520 Speaker 3: just a few miles away from where we actually lived 244 00:12:52,720 --> 00:12:55,840 Speaker 3: on the coast, and we'd camp in a campsite and 245 00:12:55,880 --> 00:12:56,720 Speaker 3: picked Sanfa. 246 00:12:57,040 --> 00:12:58,400 Speaker 2: We in Norfolk we call it Sanfa. 247 00:12:58,960 --> 00:13:01,080 Speaker 3: And when I first it written down on our menu 248 00:13:01,080 --> 00:13:03,320 Speaker 3: in London it said Samphire, I have no idea what 249 00:13:03,320 --> 00:13:03,920 Speaker 3: that was, So I. 250 00:13:03,840 --> 00:13:05,640 Speaker 2: Thought it was pronounced. 251 00:13:06,200 --> 00:13:07,839 Speaker 3: I thought it was spelled as a kid s a 252 00:13:08,040 --> 00:13:11,520 Speaker 3: n f e r sanfa. But I think that's just 253 00:13:11,559 --> 00:13:14,640 Speaker 3: the Northern way of saying it. But the way we 254 00:13:14,840 --> 00:13:17,120 Speaker 3: ate it as well was so shake off the mud 255 00:13:17,160 --> 00:13:21,160 Speaker 3: in the seawater and it's sort of blanched, but it's 256 00:13:21,200 --> 00:13:25,600 Speaker 3: still so you keep the rooting, yeah, and just dip 257 00:13:25,600 --> 00:13:27,559 Speaker 3: it in butter and put it like that. You get 258 00:13:27,559 --> 00:13:31,400 Speaker 3: the meat off the meat, you know. Yeah, Yeah, And 259 00:13:31,440 --> 00:13:33,120 Speaker 3: we'd always just have it like that. You'd never have 260 00:13:33,160 --> 00:13:33,880 Speaker 3: it with something else. 261 00:13:33,920 --> 00:13:36,520 Speaker 2: You eat it. That's how we ate it. We take 262 00:13:36,559 --> 00:13:39,000 Speaker 2: that little twig off at the barroom and then we blanched, 263 00:13:39,080 --> 00:13:43,520 Speaker 2: but we put it with a fishert and yeah, sea burst. 264 00:13:43,559 --> 00:13:45,680 Speaker 2: It's great. It's a short season though, isn't it. 265 00:13:45,760 --> 00:13:46,000 Speaker 4: Yeah. 266 00:13:46,000 --> 00:13:48,040 Speaker 2: I think you're not allowed to pick it anymore. 267 00:13:48,040 --> 00:13:50,440 Speaker 3: We used to really go and pick it, just go 268 00:13:50,480 --> 00:13:53,560 Speaker 3: to the beach, pick it off the marshes and fish 269 00:13:53,840 --> 00:13:56,360 Speaker 3: and fish. Yes, we used to go cockling as well. 270 00:13:56,880 --> 00:14:01,800 Speaker 3: And muscles. I have always loved muscles. Oh that creamy, 271 00:14:01,880 --> 00:14:16,880 Speaker 3: garlicy dunk bread in it. Yeah. I did my first 272 00:14:16,920 --> 00:14:20,120 Speaker 3: school play when I was sixteen, and suddenly i'd always 273 00:14:20,120 --> 00:14:22,200 Speaker 3: been so rubbish at everything at school and then suddenly 274 00:14:22,240 --> 00:14:24,680 Speaker 3: did a play and went a light went on. 275 00:14:24,800 --> 00:14:25,880 Speaker 2: I love this. 276 00:14:26,000 --> 00:14:29,480 Speaker 3: I wonder if I could do this, but I didn't 277 00:14:29,480 --> 00:14:31,800 Speaker 3: know anyone who did it. I assumed you had to 278 00:14:32,120 --> 00:14:34,800 Speaker 3: come from that place in order to do it, so 279 00:14:34,920 --> 00:14:38,720 Speaker 3: sort of had a secret yearning that never said it. 280 00:14:38,760 --> 00:14:43,520 Speaker 3: And then I went to Homerton, which I think still 281 00:14:43,640 --> 00:14:46,920 Speaker 3: is a teacher training college in Cambridge, but I left 282 00:14:46,960 --> 00:14:51,480 Speaker 3: after a term or so, so I never They call 283 00:14:51,520 --> 00:14:53,720 Speaker 3: it matriculation when you become part of the university, but 284 00:14:53,760 --> 00:14:55,560 Speaker 3: I never did that, so I was never part of 285 00:14:55,560 --> 00:14:59,200 Speaker 3: the university. And I left because I just couldn't do it. 286 00:14:59,280 --> 00:15:02,920 Speaker 3: And then went off to the town of Cambridge and 287 00:15:03,080 --> 00:15:04,920 Speaker 3: ended up working as a cleaner there for years. 288 00:15:06,160 --> 00:15:07,960 Speaker 2: And I had a bicycle. 289 00:15:08,040 --> 00:15:10,080 Speaker 3: I had the same major, so everyone else nobody questioned me, 290 00:15:10,120 --> 00:15:13,840 Speaker 3: and I went cycled around, went to lectures of people. 291 00:15:13,880 --> 00:15:14,440 Speaker 2: So I went to an. 292 00:15:14,360 --> 00:15:18,520 Speaker 3: Architecture lecture, went to an EU law lecture with when 293 00:15:18,520 --> 00:15:20,440 Speaker 3: I was totally in desperate in love with Ed and 294 00:15:20,440 --> 00:15:21,120 Speaker 3: just trying to you. 295 00:15:21,080 --> 00:15:26,040 Speaker 2: Were being an actor. Nigella Lars and a friend of mine, 296 00:15:26,200 --> 00:15:28,600 Speaker 2: you know, she worked as a cleaner in hotels and 297 00:15:28,680 --> 00:15:34,040 Speaker 2: Florence and she said it was the most revealing you 298 00:15:34,080 --> 00:15:37,520 Speaker 2: could have, particularly in the hotel the way people left 299 00:15:37,560 --> 00:15:42,040 Speaker 2: their rooms or so you did that for how long? 300 00:15:42,120 --> 00:15:46,600 Speaker 3: Yeah, a couple of years, and then did a secretarial course. 301 00:15:46,640 --> 00:15:49,160 Speaker 3: That was my mum's suggestion that if you're going to 302 00:15:49,160 --> 00:15:50,640 Speaker 3: be an actor, you need something for it. So you 303 00:15:50,680 --> 00:15:55,920 Speaker 3: knew then that by then, Yeah, I had done in Cambridge. 304 00:15:55,920 --> 00:15:58,560 Speaker 3: There's about thirty drama societies and I would just cycle 305 00:15:58,560 --> 00:16:01,880 Speaker 3: around all that. I did my shift and auditioning for things. 306 00:16:02,160 --> 00:16:04,440 Speaker 3: Don't play his learning lines, going back, cleaning all the 307 00:16:04,480 --> 00:16:07,800 Speaker 3: loose and chasing head around. 308 00:16:08,080 --> 00:16:11,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, it was your husband to be was a student Cambridge. 309 00:16:11,800 --> 00:16:12,400 Speaker 2: Yes he was. 310 00:16:12,440 --> 00:16:15,360 Speaker 3: He's proper clever and he was there doing it properly. 311 00:16:15,400 --> 00:16:17,960 Speaker 3: What does he do He was doing law then, but 312 00:16:18,040 --> 00:16:18,600 Speaker 3: he's a writer. 313 00:16:19,560 --> 00:16:19,960 Speaker 2: Yeah. 314 00:16:20,000 --> 00:16:22,640 Speaker 3: And then we went off to Bristol lol VIC Drama 315 00:16:22,680 --> 00:16:26,600 Speaker 3: School together and then we sort of you know, the 316 00:16:26,640 --> 00:16:29,520 Speaker 3: food is love thing. We went to Thai restaurants and 317 00:16:29,560 --> 00:16:33,840 Speaker 3: discovered new food together and there's a Thai restaurant in 318 00:16:33,920 --> 00:16:37,240 Speaker 3: Cambridge and it was so delicious we took it back 319 00:16:37,440 --> 00:16:38,960 Speaker 3: with us. We asked, it's first of a time I've 320 00:16:38,960 --> 00:16:41,360 Speaker 3: asked for a doggie bag, and I didn't want to 321 00:16:41,440 --> 00:16:43,280 Speaker 3: leave any of it, and we left it on his window, 322 00:16:43,280 --> 00:16:45,600 Speaker 3: still outside, putting arms out the window and. 323 00:16:45,520 --> 00:16:48,680 Speaker 2: Going, oh my god, it's amazing. The lemon grass and 324 00:16:48,720 --> 00:16:53,320 Speaker 2: the coconut Milcolm so Cambridge. And then you started acting 325 00:16:53,600 --> 00:16:56,680 Speaker 2: more and more and you went to Bristol. Yeah, and 326 00:16:57,000 --> 00:17:00,240 Speaker 2: when you actually then started working in the theater, that 327 00:17:00,320 --> 00:17:03,200 Speaker 2: must have solutely changed your way of eating. Did it 328 00:17:03,400 --> 00:17:05,760 Speaker 2: give you a routine or did it give you restrictions 329 00:17:05,760 --> 00:17:06,840 Speaker 2: some what you could have? 330 00:17:06,920 --> 00:17:10,119 Speaker 3: And well, once we left Bristol and we were working, 331 00:17:10,200 --> 00:17:14,159 Speaker 3: you know, trying to earn our keep as actors. I 332 00:17:14,240 --> 00:17:18,040 Speaker 3: did my first few plays and things. I think I 333 00:17:18,200 --> 00:17:20,840 Speaker 3: ate quite late after the show because you was sort 334 00:17:20,840 --> 00:17:23,320 Speaker 3: of on a high, certainly wanted to have a drink afterwards. 335 00:17:24,119 --> 00:17:26,480 Speaker 3: When I worked at the Noel Coward Theater right next 336 00:17:26,520 --> 00:17:30,680 Speaker 3: to Siky's with Amy Morgan and Phoebe Wallerbridge, the three 337 00:17:30,720 --> 00:17:34,240 Speaker 3: of us would sort of go to Cheeky's afterwards and 338 00:17:34,280 --> 00:17:38,400 Speaker 3: sit outside and I think we all smoked then and 339 00:17:38,680 --> 00:17:42,760 Speaker 3: we would order the little croquettes and the Scarlett Burgers. 340 00:17:43,440 --> 00:17:47,880 Speaker 2: Oh, and that was a true and just drink. This 341 00:17:48,200 --> 00:17:49,240 Speaker 2: would have been. 342 00:17:52,280 --> 00:17:55,840 Speaker 3: After Iron Lady Excep's when I first met Phoebe, which 343 00:17:55,880 --> 00:17:58,120 Speaker 3: was Meryl Street playing Margaret Thatcher. 344 00:17:59,320 --> 00:18:01,320 Speaker 2: So a couple of you after that, three is after that. 345 00:18:01,359 --> 00:18:03,880 Speaker 2: I don't know, I'm so bad with but you can 346 00:18:03,920 --> 00:18:08,399 Speaker 2: remember what you ate, you can always yes, Yeah, loves food, 347 00:18:08,760 --> 00:18:10,359 Speaker 2: she does. Yeah. 348 00:18:10,520 --> 00:18:12,760 Speaker 3: And it's really annoying that she's so tall and lean 349 00:18:12,960 --> 00:18:13,760 Speaker 3: and she loves eating. 350 00:18:14,440 --> 00:18:20,320 Speaker 2: It's annoying. It's annoying. I will, I will. But sure 351 00:18:20,320 --> 00:18:24,320 Speaker 2: you were eating out, so when you because it's you know, picnics. 352 00:18:24,320 --> 00:18:26,440 Speaker 2: Would you eat before if you were in a martine 353 00:18:26,520 --> 00:18:29,880 Speaker 2: would you We'd sometimes have a picnic on the floor 354 00:18:29,920 --> 00:18:33,679 Speaker 2: of one of our dressing rooms, so go to you know, 355 00:18:33,720 --> 00:18:36,359 Speaker 2: get sort of little little cheeses and meats and pretend 356 00:18:36,400 --> 00:18:38,760 Speaker 2: you we're having a normal life and not going back 357 00:18:38,760 --> 00:18:41,439 Speaker 2: on stage. And there are men involved as well. Was 358 00:18:41,480 --> 00:18:43,600 Speaker 2: it most of the female It was mostly just the 359 00:18:43,640 --> 00:18:45,560 Speaker 2: three of our girls, and we'd have a kip. 360 00:18:46,080 --> 00:18:48,280 Speaker 3: We'd sort of put we had some roll out mattresses 361 00:18:48,280 --> 00:18:49,560 Speaker 3: that we could put on the floor and we'd have 362 00:18:49,560 --> 00:18:52,720 Speaker 3: a snooze and eat nice food and then do the matinee. 363 00:18:53,200 --> 00:18:55,159 Speaker 2: Do you think that it binds you together? Food? When 364 00:18:55,200 --> 00:18:56,719 Speaker 2: you when you go on a set and you know 365 00:18:56,800 --> 00:18:58,719 Speaker 2: that you're medi you know. I don't know if the 366 00:18:58,720 --> 00:19:01,600 Speaker 2: all the other actors were friends of yours before, but 367 00:19:01,720 --> 00:19:03,679 Speaker 2: does it something that holds you all? 368 00:19:04,480 --> 00:19:07,919 Speaker 3: Before COVID happened, everyone would eat together on the dining 369 00:19:07,960 --> 00:19:10,560 Speaker 3: bus and I loved that you're eating with the crew 370 00:19:11,160 --> 00:19:12,600 Speaker 3: and what did you go for? What you go for, 371 00:19:12,680 --> 00:19:17,479 Speaker 3: and having a lovely time together, so social, and then 372 00:19:17,520 --> 00:19:19,320 Speaker 3: time to sort of all be equal and to let 373 00:19:19,359 --> 00:19:24,119 Speaker 3: your head down. And then now the dining bus hasn't 374 00:19:24,160 --> 00:19:27,160 Speaker 3: really come back, and so people sort of eat separately, 375 00:19:27,720 --> 00:19:30,560 Speaker 3: and that's such a shame, and you sort of sit 376 00:19:30,640 --> 00:19:34,480 Speaker 3: on your own in your little van. And I missed 377 00:19:34,520 --> 00:19:37,719 Speaker 3: that very much and hopefully we'll come back. But also sometimes, 378 00:19:37,720 --> 00:19:40,560 Speaker 3: you know, some actors are having to have a particularly 379 00:19:40,680 --> 00:19:43,080 Speaker 3: strict diet because they've got to look a certain way, 380 00:19:43,600 --> 00:19:46,080 Speaker 3: and that's sort of awful. You try and hide the 381 00:19:46,760 --> 00:19:47,960 Speaker 3: pudding option that you went for. 382 00:19:49,280 --> 00:19:54,040 Speaker 2: How is weight and physical appearance with food? How does 383 00:19:54,119 --> 00:19:57,720 Speaker 2: it affect your work? I was just talking to someone 384 00:19:57,720 --> 00:20:00,520 Speaker 2: who's coming to London to be in a movie, and 385 00:20:00,560 --> 00:20:03,640 Speaker 2: his assistant said to me that he has a nutritionist 386 00:20:04,000 --> 00:20:07,160 Speaker 2: and a trainer because he's on a very special diet 387 00:20:07,200 --> 00:20:09,120 Speaker 2: for the film, and I thought that'd be interesting. I'd 388 00:20:09,160 --> 00:20:11,560 Speaker 2: like to know about that, because maybe I could go 389 00:20:11,680 --> 00:20:14,679 Speaker 2: on that without the nutritionist. And it turned out that 390 00:20:14,760 --> 00:20:18,040 Speaker 2: he was actually eating eight thousand calories a day because 391 00:20:18,040 --> 00:20:20,480 Speaker 2: I had to gain so much weight. It was completely 392 00:20:21,800 --> 00:20:24,280 Speaker 2: and I just was wondering how that, you know, when 393 00:20:24,320 --> 00:20:28,800 Speaker 2: you were a princess, when you or when you're okay queen, 394 00:20:28,800 --> 00:20:30,399 Speaker 2: and I had to put on weight. You had to 395 00:20:30,640 --> 00:20:32,840 Speaker 2: put on about two stone, did you? And how did 396 00:20:32,880 --> 00:20:37,320 Speaker 2: you do that? I mean, that's easy. Yeah, you didn't 397 00:20:37,359 --> 00:20:41,720 Speaker 2: need a nutritionist in my feet. 398 00:20:42,200 --> 00:20:47,360 Speaker 3: But you know, and Rachel and and Emily Emma are 399 00:20:48,000 --> 00:20:50,840 Speaker 3: very healthy, clean eaters anyway, they love food, but it's 400 00:20:51,119 --> 00:20:54,920 Speaker 3: sort of clean food, so well, they had their healthy options. 401 00:20:55,400 --> 00:20:57,399 Speaker 3: I would say, I have one of everything and all 402 00:20:57,440 --> 00:20:59,720 Speaker 3: of the puddings, and if you don't want that, I'll 403 00:20:59,760 --> 00:20:59,879 Speaker 3: have that. 404 00:21:00,160 --> 00:21:00,360 Speaker 2: Yah. 405 00:21:00,520 --> 00:21:03,720 Speaker 3: It started actually to be a little bit quite quite gloomy. 406 00:21:03,760 --> 00:21:06,200 Speaker 3: I thought it, God, what fun being told to put 407 00:21:06,240 --> 00:21:09,679 Speaker 3: on weight. But I can put all my quite quickly, 408 00:21:09,760 --> 00:21:12,359 Speaker 3: and so it starts to feel, oh, yeah, I don't know, 409 00:21:12,480 --> 00:21:15,480 Speaker 3: you want another pizza? Yeah, or another I'm going to 410 00:21:15,520 --> 00:21:20,000 Speaker 3: have to take it all off at the end, you know, And. 411 00:21:18,880 --> 00:21:19,960 Speaker 2: How did you take it off? 412 00:21:20,040 --> 00:21:23,639 Speaker 3: Just see old fashioned eating a lot less and trying 413 00:21:23,640 --> 00:21:29,320 Speaker 3: to move more. But it was boring and hard, and 414 00:21:29,960 --> 00:21:33,399 Speaker 3: she loved to eat, wasn't Yeah she was? 415 00:21:34,600 --> 00:21:38,120 Speaker 2: I mean she did. Was it fifteen pregnancies she'd had seventeen? 416 00:21:38,920 --> 00:21:43,400 Speaker 2: Or maybe when I watched the film against and she lost, 417 00:21:43,480 --> 00:21:45,440 Speaker 2: she'd lost seventeen babies, that's right. 418 00:21:45,520 --> 00:21:48,159 Speaker 3: Yeah, her eldest one had lasted to had got to 419 00:21:48,200 --> 00:21:50,679 Speaker 3: ten years old, so they had varying degrees of ages. 420 00:21:50,680 --> 00:21:55,160 Speaker 3: But I think food for her was she was apparently 421 00:21:55,200 --> 00:22:00,680 Speaker 3: clinically obese, and and yeah, comfort food. 422 00:22:01,000 --> 00:22:03,600 Speaker 2: And what about playing the Queen and the green? Was 423 00:22:03,640 --> 00:22:05,159 Speaker 2: she very different now? 424 00:22:05,280 --> 00:22:07,560 Speaker 3: And she was tiny, so I did have to She 425 00:22:07,600 --> 00:22:11,000 Speaker 3: had a tiny waist and I don't have a tiny waiste, 426 00:22:11,000 --> 00:22:11,560 Speaker 3: so I did. 427 00:22:11,680 --> 00:22:12,480 Speaker 2: They were very sweet. 428 00:22:12,520 --> 00:22:15,399 Speaker 3: They got me a trainer before I started, and then 429 00:22:15,400 --> 00:22:18,919 Speaker 3: thankfully by my second season she was a bit older 430 00:22:19,000 --> 00:22:20,639 Speaker 3: and didn't have such tiny waste, so I was about it. 431 00:22:21,440 --> 00:22:23,720 Speaker 2: But did she go a little bit? Did you feel 432 00:22:23,760 --> 00:22:27,480 Speaker 2: playing her and the research into the live post war 433 00:22:28,160 --> 00:22:32,920 Speaker 2: so completely restrictive and different from what the voluptuous nurse 434 00:22:32,960 --> 00:22:36,560 Speaker 2: and the time. Yes, So what was that, like, what 435 00:22:36,680 --> 00:22:39,000 Speaker 2: was your sense of food in the palace and food 436 00:22:39,000 --> 00:22:41,399 Speaker 2: in the monarchy and food for being queen. 437 00:22:41,720 --> 00:22:44,119 Speaker 3: Well, I think when they had I mean, this is 438 00:22:44,359 --> 00:22:47,120 Speaker 3: you know, only stuff, but I remember from what we did. 439 00:22:47,160 --> 00:22:49,200 Speaker 3: But whenever there was there were people coming to visit 440 00:22:49,280 --> 00:22:52,280 Speaker 3: sort of big must entertain the heads of state things, 441 00:22:52,359 --> 00:22:55,200 Speaker 3: it was all beautiful, lovely food. But because she'd remembered 442 00:22:55,280 --> 00:22:58,760 Speaker 3: rations and everything. Yeah, she was never irresponsible about too 443 00:22:58,840 --> 00:23:05,720 Speaker 3: much food. She ate quite sort of ah circumspect frugally, 444 00:23:07,080 --> 00:23:09,879 Speaker 3: and she did maintain and she was very healthy and outdoorsy, 445 00:23:09,920 --> 00:23:12,880 Speaker 3: and she maintained a sort of neat little figure which 446 00:23:12,920 --> 00:23:16,320 Speaker 3: doesn't come from copies amounts of food. So I think 447 00:23:16,359 --> 00:23:19,479 Speaker 3: she was quite conservative about pleasure. 448 00:23:19,640 --> 00:23:21,840 Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, it's interesting that you know what you 449 00:23:21,880 --> 00:23:25,480 Speaker 2: wonder what pleasure there was in Yeah, you know you 450 00:23:25,480 --> 00:23:28,840 Speaker 2: can see the kings of France and the childs and 451 00:23:29,040 --> 00:23:33,840 Speaker 2: wonder whether the British aristocracy had I could probably probably 452 00:23:33,920 --> 00:23:37,000 Speaker 2: did you know those country houses? Then yeah, you just 453 00:23:37,080 --> 00:23:40,720 Speaker 2: wonder about the palace, whether eating and food was fun 454 00:23:41,240 --> 00:23:43,960 Speaker 2: I hope, So, yeah, I hope they enjoy it how 455 00:23:44,000 --> 00:23:46,600 Speaker 2: they enjoy it now, I think with King Charles. I 456 00:23:46,600 --> 00:23:51,200 Speaker 2: think that that family probably is more interested in food, 457 00:23:52,000 --> 00:23:57,680 Speaker 2: because yes, the lovely organic vegetables, and yeah, for Miller's son, 458 00:23:57,840 --> 00:24:01,960 Speaker 2: Tom Barker Bowles is right about food. Go to cook book, 459 00:24:02,080 --> 00:24:04,920 Speaker 2: hopefully they have. I wonder if they go to restaurants. So, 460 00:24:05,119 --> 00:24:07,440 Speaker 2: I don't know. I think that's probably quite hard thing 461 00:24:07,440 --> 00:24:19,680 Speaker 2: to do, isn't it. Maybe do you cook at home? 462 00:24:19,840 --> 00:24:22,240 Speaker 2: Is this passion for food telling that you love to eat? 463 00:24:22,280 --> 00:24:26,160 Speaker 2: But yeah, that's fair enough. I'm a very good guest. 464 00:24:27,680 --> 00:24:30,720 Speaker 3: When I first left home, my mom gave me a 465 00:24:30,800 --> 00:24:34,320 Speaker 3: Delia Smith sort of complete, which was amazing. 466 00:24:34,440 --> 00:24:37,320 Speaker 2: And I think she's good, really, I do. She was 467 00:24:37,359 --> 00:24:40,560 Speaker 2: in the restaurant that long ago, really, and I thought 468 00:24:40,640 --> 00:24:42,640 Speaker 2: she really taught a generation to cook. 469 00:24:42,480 --> 00:24:46,760 Speaker 3: All those lovely sort of staples. I learned that from 470 00:24:47,359 --> 00:24:50,119 Speaker 3: from her recipe book. So your mom gave you this book? 471 00:24:50,200 --> 00:24:53,600 Speaker 3: And yeah, and so I loved cooking for my two flatmates, 472 00:24:53,920 --> 00:24:58,560 Speaker 3: Debbie and Olivia, and that was the only cookbook we had, 473 00:24:59,119 --> 00:25:01,520 Speaker 3: and we would I loved. Also, I started to really 474 00:25:01,600 --> 00:25:04,400 Speaker 3: enjoy going to the shop and going to buy because 475 00:25:04,400 --> 00:25:07,399 Speaker 3: we want such a tight budget, we'd picture meals and 476 00:25:07,400 --> 00:25:09,520 Speaker 3: buy for the meals, not just you know, anything off 477 00:25:09,560 --> 00:25:10,480 Speaker 3: the shelf, fancy that. 478 00:25:10,720 --> 00:25:11,480 Speaker 2: And I really enjoyed that. 479 00:25:11,520 --> 00:25:13,400 Speaker 3: And I enjoyed and sometimes it was just a jacket 480 00:25:13,440 --> 00:25:19,480 Speaker 3: potato with loads of butter and cheese. But I really 481 00:25:19,600 --> 00:25:22,719 Speaker 3: enjoyed the us all eating together and you know, feeding 482 00:25:22,720 --> 00:25:23,120 Speaker 3: each other. 483 00:25:23,520 --> 00:25:26,920 Speaker 2: So you have three children as you work, and sometimes 484 00:25:26,920 --> 00:25:28,879 Speaker 2: you don't. Yeah, it can be home or you have 485 00:25:29,000 --> 00:25:31,480 Speaker 2: do have to shop. So what is like? You told 486 00:25:31,560 --> 00:25:35,160 Speaker 2: us what food was like in your parents and your grandparents. 487 00:25:35,640 --> 00:25:37,560 Speaker 2: If I were to knock on the door, what is 488 00:25:37,640 --> 00:25:40,640 Speaker 2: food like if you were to knock on the door that, Yeah, 489 00:25:41,400 --> 00:25:43,760 Speaker 2: you should, because now we have. 490 00:25:45,320 --> 00:25:47,199 Speaker 3: I still struggle with saying because I feel a bit 491 00:25:48,960 --> 00:25:50,960 Speaker 3: it's sort of embarrassed. But we have a really lovely 492 00:25:51,040 --> 00:25:57,320 Speaker 3: nanny now I know because we certainly both started working 493 00:25:57,359 --> 00:25:57,800 Speaker 3: much more. 494 00:25:58,520 --> 00:26:02,400 Speaker 2: She's an incredible cook. Okay, so definitely coming there. Yeah 495 00:26:02,440 --> 00:26:04,840 Speaker 2: you should. And you all sit down to dinner. We 496 00:26:04,880 --> 00:26:06,240 Speaker 2: always sit together and eat. 497 00:26:06,440 --> 00:26:09,640 Speaker 3: Yeah, when we sometimes the kids are doing late things 498 00:26:09,680 --> 00:26:12,400 Speaker 3: at school and we have we do a Sunday roast 499 00:26:12,440 --> 00:26:13,040 Speaker 3: every Sunday. 500 00:26:13,080 --> 00:26:16,200 Speaker 2: We're so boring. And do you take them on holidays 501 00:26:16,240 --> 00:26:17,280 Speaker 2: and food holidays? 502 00:26:17,440 --> 00:26:19,879 Speaker 3: Yeah, we took the kids to sort of holiday of 503 00:26:19,880 --> 00:26:24,639 Speaker 3: a lifetime to Sri Lanka just before lockdown and just 504 00:26:24,880 --> 00:26:27,160 Speaker 3: ate the most incredible food three times a day. 505 00:26:27,240 --> 00:26:29,760 Speaker 2: Curry three times a day. Yeah, what was that? 506 00:26:30,280 --> 00:26:34,280 Speaker 3: Because we traveled around with the kids, and our two 507 00:26:35,240 --> 00:26:36,760 Speaker 3: eldest are really adventurous. 508 00:26:36,800 --> 00:26:39,000 Speaker 2: They've always we've we've always. 509 00:26:38,640 --> 00:26:41,840 Speaker 3: Included them with all the food we have, and when 510 00:26:41,840 --> 00:26:44,720 Speaker 3: we have curry, we always make one that's slightly less spicy, 511 00:26:45,000 --> 00:26:46,760 Speaker 3: and they sort of they love it now and the 512 00:26:46,800 --> 00:26:50,040 Speaker 3: boys love spice. And so when we were traveling around, 513 00:26:50,359 --> 00:26:53,840 Speaker 3: our little one really wasn't wasn't thrilled, but she was 514 00:26:53,880 --> 00:26:58,080 Speaker 3: only four at the time. So she ate plain pasta 515 00:26:58,119 --> 00:27:03,240 Speaker 3: wherever we were plane rise and we would have egg 516 00:27:03,280 --> 00:27:07,000 Speaker 3: hoppers and the string hoppers for breakfast, and the dolls 517 00:27:07,040 --> 00:27:10,480 Speaker 3: and the coconuts, sambal and all these beautiful things we 518 00:27:10,520 --> 00:27:13,119 Speaker 3: would eat and they loved it as well. 519 00:27:13,440 --> 00:27:16,080 Speaker 2: It does tell you about a country, doesn't It tells 520 00:27:16,160 --> 00:27:17,399 Speaker 2: you what's growing. 521 00:27:17,480 --> 00:27:22,399 Speaker 3: And yeah, our middle boy, he's he became obsessed with 522 00:27:22,440 --> 00:27:24,800 Speaker 3: Japan when he was very little and he did a 523 00:27:26,000 --> 00:27:29,959 Speaker 3: sushi course and he makes beautiful sushi and ramen. 524 00:27:30,040 --> 00:27:31,119 Speaker 2: He does three day ramen. 525 00:27:31,800 --> 00:27:35,919 Speaker 3: It does take, yeah, days, it makes days yeah, And 526 00:27:36,119 --> 00:27:39,640 Speaker 3: actually Ed is taking the two boys for a cookery 527 00:27:39,680 --> 00:27:43,879 Speaker 3: course when they before our eldest goes to university. So 528 00:27:43,920 --> 00:27:46,240 Speaker 3: they're doing a little week together, little boys week doing 529 00:27:46,440 --> 00:27:47,159 Speaker 3: learning to cook. 530 00:27:48,000 --> 00:27:50,320 Speaker 2: Do you feel when you're away and you're working, do 531 00:27:50,400 --> 00:27:54,639 Speaker 2: you feel that your work takes you away from some 532 00:27:54,760 --> 00:27:58,080 Speaker 2: people you love? And well, you know, how does that work? 533 00:27:58,760 --> 00:28:02,399 Speaker 3: Ed and I've been together third years, and up until COVID, 534 00:28:02,480 --> 00:28:04,400 Speaker 3: I'd only ever been away. The longest I've been away 535 00:28:04,480 --> 00:28:07,000 Speaker 3: was two weeks because I just don't take jobs away 536 00:28:07,000 --> 00:28:07,400 Speaker 3: from home. 537 00:28:07,680 --> 00:28:12,080 Speaker 2: Okay, let's stuck there. So then you think about accepting 538 00:28:12,119 --> 00:28:15,480 Speaker 2: a movie or a player, something that will keep you 539 00:28:15,920 --> 00:28:16,800 Speaker 2: away from home. 540 00:28:16,960 --> 00:28:20,640 Speaker 3: Yeah, I just I get terribly homesick. I never used 541 00:28:20,640 --> 00:28:22,480 Speaker 3: to be able to sleep very well if ED wasn't there, 542 00:28:22,720 --> 00:28:26,520 Speaker 3: And now I think we're probably you know, I'm at 543 00:28:26,520 --> 00:28:29,959 Speaker 3: an age where sleep is harder anyway, so actually it's 544 00:28:30,040 --> 00:28:32,520 Speaker 3: quite you go a night away, I'll I'll get a 545 00:28:32,520 --> 00:28:35,600 Speaker 3: great night sleep. But I also I missed the kids, 546 00:28:35,720 --> 00:28:38,280 Speaker 3: you know, I wanted to be there, and so I 547 00:28:38,320 --> 00:28:40,920 Speaker 3: was very lucky that I had the option of great 548 00:28:40,920 --> 00:28:43,240 Speaker 3: work in the UK and I didn't have to go away. 549 00:28:43,520 --> 00:28:45,840 Speaker 2: And then well, lost daughter. I was going to say 550 00:28:45,840 --> 00:28:46,800 Speaker 2: it was that six weeks. 551 00:28:46,920 --> 00:28:50,480 Speaker 3: Six weeks, so Sunny went from the six sixth way, 552 00:28:50,480 --> 00:28:52,120 Speaker 3: which is I think why we all behave so badly 553 00:28:52,160 --> 00:28:54,320 Speaker 3: because we all adored each other, got on so well, 554 00:28:54,520 --> 00:28:57,239 Speaker 3: got hey, we're here, We're in a beautiful place. Did 555 00:28:57,240 --> 00:28:59,560 Speaker 3: the kids come out, No, because weren't allowed to because 556 00:28:59,600 --> 00:29:02,960 Speaker 3: if they came, they'd have to quarantine before point. 557 00:29:03,720 --> 00:29:04,760 Speaker 2: So we'd all meet up. 558 00:29:04,800 --> 00:29:08,240 Speaker 3: We were each other's family, and I know dag Mara 559 00:29:08,480 --> 00:29:12,880 Speaker 3: was really missing her family, and I really understood that feeling. 560 00:29:12,960 --> 00:29:14,920 Speaker 3: So I said, you'll be back on the school run 561 00:29:14,960 --> 00:29:17,640 Speaker 3: before you know it. And they don't know that you're 562 00:29:17,840 --> 00:29:20,080 Speaker 3: miserable or happy, so just go for happy. 563 00:29:20,120 --> 00:29:23,680 Speaker 2: And men aren't who are in the same actors feel 564 00:29:23,800 --> 00:29:25,440 Speaker 2: that way as well. Do you think they know that 565 00:29:25,480 --> 00:29:28,080 Speaker 2: their wife is home with all the kids, and. 566 00:29:28,040 --> 00:29:30,960 Speaker 3: It's all I've always struggled with this male female thing. 567 00:29:31,000 --> 00:29:34,160 Speaker 3: I think ideally, if you're all brought up the same, 568 00:29:34,360 --> 00:29:38,000 Speaker 3: you are the same. It's only conditioning that makes sisting 569 00:29:38,640 --> 00:29:42,680 Speaker 3: male female. So all the men I know and love 570 00:29:43,000 --> 00:29:45,000 Speaker 3: struggle with being away from home when they miss you know, 571 00:29:45,080 --> 00:29:47,480 Speaker 3: the ones I'm not that impressed by have a ball. 572 00:29:48,840 --> 00:29:50,720 Speaker 3: But I think that's the same with some women as well, 573 00:29:50,920 --> 00:29:53,520 Speaker 3: you know, love being away. It's I don't think it's 574 00:29:53,520 --> 00:29:55,360 Speaker 3: a gender thing. I think it's a conditioning thing. But 575 00:29:55,800 --> 00:29:57,960 Speaker 3: people get shot down by different No. 576 00:29:57,960 --> 00:30:02,160 Speaker 2: No, people ask me if women chefs cooked differently from 577 00:30:02,160 --> 00:30:04,400 Speaker 2: male chefs, and I always try and avoid that. They 578 00:30:04,480 --> 00:30:07,320 Speaker 2: really want you to say that women cook with more 579 00:30:07,400 --> 00:30:10,640 Speaker 2: care or more sensitivity and men are a bit more 580 00:30:10,680 --> 00:30:11,680 Speaker 2: and it's not true. 581 00:30:11,760 --> 00:30:13,440 Speaker 3: And it's not fair to the men that we all 582 00:30:13,560 --> 00:30:17,480 Speaker 3: know love and I know plenty of really uncaring women 583 00:30:17,520 --> 00:30:20,640 Speaker 3: and plenty of incredibly emotional, you know kind men. 584 00:30:21,720 --> 00:30:25,200 Speaker 2: And now you're doing a movie about chocolate. Is that right? 585 00:30:25,280 --> 00:30:27,520 Speaker 2: Oh god, yeah, I had to talk about that will 586 00:30:27,520 --> 00:30:30,120 Speaker 2: they won't get and the chocolate? So what was that 587 00:30:30,320 --> 00:30:31,560 Speaker 2: like in terms of chocolate? 588 00:30:31,640 --> 00:30:35,880 Speaker 3: And they had a chocolate here, but when I went 589 00:30:35,960 --> 00:30:38,120 Speaker 3: to have for fittings and things, they said, can't look 590 00:30:38,160 --> 00:30:41,000 Speaker 3: at what this chocolate has made for us. And these 591 00:30:41,040 --> 00:30:44,160 Speaker 3: chocolates were exquisite, and he said you can eat them all. 592 00:30:44,560 --> 00:30:46,000 Speaker 3: I mean, often, if it's going to be a prop 593 00:30:46,680 --> 00:30:49,880 Speaker 3: why bother maker, But that he was so such a master. 594 00:30:50,480 --> 00:30:54,240 Speaker 3: He insisted that it had to taste beautiful, what sort 595 00:30:54,280 --> 00:30:54,720 Speaker 3: of caramel? 596 00:30:55,640 --> 00:30:56,200 Speaker 2: Incredible? 597 00:30:56,240 --> 00:30:59,400 Speaker 3: And they were brightly colored and amazing shapes, and every 598 00:30:59,440 --> 00:31:00,880 Speaker 3: one of them you could have eaten and it would 599 00:31:00,880 --> 00:31:02,040 Speaker 3: have been incredible. 600 00:31:02,080 --> 00:31:05,560 Speaker 2: I wish the audience could see your smile, because every 601 00:31:05,640 --> 00:31:09,280 Speaker 2: time you talk about food, your face lights up, and 602 00:31:09,480 --> 00:31:12,720 Speaker 2: you know, you sort of remember things that you ate, 603 00:31:12,880 --> 00:31:14,040 Speaker 2: places that you've eaten. 604 00:31:14,080 --> 00:31:16,720 Speaker 3: And the first time I had truffle, Yeah, a white truffle. Oh, 605 00:31:17,680 --> 00:31:19,760 Speaker 3: just any truffle, any true? And now we have we 606 00:31:19,840 --> 00:31:22,480 Speaker 3: have a little job with truffle, and every now and then, yeah, 607 00:31:23,000 --> 00:31:25,880 Speaker 3: overscrumbled eagle, yeah, on a Russian pasta. 608 00:31:26,400 --> 00:31:31,200 Speaker 2: Yeah. You know, food is love, and food is alleviating hunger, 609 00:31:31,760 --> 00:31:36,440 Speaker 2: and food is curiosity or traveling or discovering. Food is 610 00:31:36,480 --> 00:31:40,120 Speaker 2: also comfort. And I was wondering if there's a food 611 00:31:40,200 --> 00:31:43,040 Speaker 2: that you would turn to, something you'd either make or buy. 612 00:31:43,560 --> 00:31:47,320 Speaker 2: Olivia Coleman, wonderful person that you are, and I hope 613 00:31:47,320 --> 00:31:49,960 Speaker 2: you don't need comfort very often because you give such joy. 614 00:31:50,080 --> 00:31:53,000 Speaker 2: I mean when you came in the restaurant today, We've 615 00:31:53,000 --> 00:31:56,280 Speaker 2: had all sorts of people come in and they're great. 616 00:31:56,320 --> 00:32:00,960 Speaker 2: They're politicians or you know, actors or writers or doctors 617 00:32:01,080 --> 00:32:04,080 Speaker 2: or whatever, and you just I could just see everybody 618 00:32:04,160 --> 00:32:06,959 Speaker 2: look up and be so happy you were there, really 619 00:32:07,000 --> 00:32:10,000 Speaker 2: happy that you were there. It was really great to see. 620 00:32:10,000 --> 00:32:12,680 Speaker 2: And of course I joined them and saying thank you 621 00:32:12,720 --> 00:32:16,880 Speaker 2: so much. So would you come back again? Yeah? Yeah, okay, 622 00:32:17,000 --> 00:32:19,680 Speaker 2: we'll do it more. And meanwhile, will you tell me? 623 00:32:19,920 --> 00:32:22,760 Speaker 2: And tell I was ever listening what would be the 624 00:32:22,800 --> 00:32:24,040 Speaker 2: comfort food you turn to? 625 00:32:24,400 --> 00:32:28,240 Speaker 3: My comfort food is sort of a one spoon thing 626 00:32:28,960 --> 00:32:30,520 Speaker 3: and it's tarcodile. 627 00:32:31,320 --> 00:32:36,080 Speaker 2: I could eat that all day, every day. Okay, tarcodile? 628 00:32:35,000 --> 00:32:37,920 Speaker 2: Tell me? Can you just tell people who might not 629 00:32:38,040 --> 00:32:38,680 Speaker 2: know what it is? 630 00:32:38,880 --> 00:32:43,720 Speaker 3: So it's a lentils which are soft, and there's garlic, 631 00:32:43,960 --> 00:32:47,640 Speaker 3: and I think the tadca is the tempered thing on 632 00:32:47,760 --> 00:32:51,920 Speaker 3: the top. I've never made it, ok but I am 633 00:32:51,960 --> 00:32:54,800 Speaker 3: a connoisseur of eating it. Yeah, and it is my 634 00:32:54,960 --> 00:32:58,160 Speaker 3: favorite thing I always order. If we have a takeaway 635 00:32:58,280 --> 00:33:01,240 Speaker 3: or delivery, I order much more tacodile than we need, 636 00:33:01,480 --> 00:33:03,640 Speaker 3: so I can have it cold for breakfast, I'll have 637 00:33:03,680 --> 00:33:05,640 Speaker 3: it reheat it again for lunch next day. 638 00:33:05,760 --> 00:33:07,920 Speaker 2: I just love it. I could eat it. I'm going 639 00:33:07,960 --> 00:33:11,680 Speaker 2: to try that you love it. 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