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Speaker 2: And welcome to the Drive. I am Dale Lolly.

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Speaker 3: He is the Matt Williamson and it is a well,

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Speaker 3: it's a.

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Speaker 2: Much nicer Wednesday, very nice. I yeah, yeah, my goodness,

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Speaker 2: was that nasty yesterday?

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Speaker 3: I forget who I was chat with, and they said,

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Speaker 3: kind of strange that we've experienced all four seasons in

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Speaker 3: the month of April.

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Speaker 2: It's pretty true seeing all four seasons this week week.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, he got true too. Yeah, that was a dude

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Speaker 3: I was chatting with at the beer was snowing sideways

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Speaker 3: at my house yesterday. When I got home, right a

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Speaker 3: couple of days ago, it was like Sonny and shorts

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Speaker 3: and sunglasses, and today fields like spring.

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Speaker 2: I get home and I'm on a text chain with

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Speaker 2: all the other league presidents from the Baseball Association, and

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Speaker 2: I'm like, I am canceling pony like, well, I don't know,

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Speaker 2: I might the Pinto guy, his Pinto's seven and eight

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Speaker 2: year olds. They played You're out of your mind. They're

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Speaker 2: tough little gagers. I understand that you don't have to

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Speaker 2: they don't pitch, it's coach pitch. You're not worried about

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Speaker 2: somebody hurting her arm or something like that.

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Speaker 3: But a little cold, yeah, a little chilli. Yeah, it's

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Speaker 3: pretty nasty yesterday, cold and wet.

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Speaker 2: Not a good combiny. It feels like a week before

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Speaker 2: the draft. Yeah, you know, like normal April, Absolutely, Matt.

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Speaker 2: The Steelers finished up their pre draft visits, as did

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Speaker 2: everybody in the league. Today Today, Today's the limit. They

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Speaker 2: had Darius Alexander in the defensive tackle from Toledo.

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Speaker 3: I knew he was on the list, but we didn't

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Speaker 3: know when and all that, so I guess he arrived.

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Speaker 2: Good. Made me think about guys that are overrated and

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Speaker 2: guys that are underrated in the opinion in this draft,

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Speaker 2: I think I think Alexander's a little underrated. I do too.

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Speaker 3: I think he's an impact player that I mean. It

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Speaker 3: seems like a lot of people have him outside the

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Speaker 3: top fifty type. And when you say underrated over rated,

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Speaker 3: I think he'd be firmly in the top fifty, you know,

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Speaker 3: I mean, and he would be for me drafted accordingly,

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Speaker 3: let alone for the Steelers, and to be even higher

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Speaker 3: on the list. And I think he was at the

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Speaker 3: very end of our twenty one No. I think he's

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Speaker 3: a quality player that maybe gets a little bit lost

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Speaker 3: with all the defensive tackles in this draft. Yeah, you know,

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Speaker 3: and the school we went to doesn't help.

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Speaker 2: Probably. Yeah, you know. And you know when people talk about, well,

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Speaker 2: you know, the Harmon or Grant All never had to

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Speaker 2: deal with any double teams. I guarantee you, Darius Alexander

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Speaker 2: double team Toledo.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you get a name for yourself pretty quick when

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Speaker 3: you start throwing dudes around and you're the focus of everything. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: one hundred percent. But you know, so we know who

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Speaker 3: those are. And I think, to me, this year more

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Speaker 3: so than any other year, because there's no the Blue Chippers.

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Speaker 3: I think there's only four in this draft, picks five through.

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Speaker 2: At least a sixty. Yeah, are all gonna have similar

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Speaker 3: May I think they'll just be eye the beholder type stuff? Yeah,

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Speaker 3: you know, I absolutely think more so this draft. You

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Speaker 3: know that, man, just even if you're just ranking the

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Speaker 3: edge guys one to ten, I'm not sure any team

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Speaker 3: will have them similar you know, right alone, you know,

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Speaker 3: and they'll be the same names, but one or three

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Speaker 3: a lot of variants at almost every position. I mean

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Speaker 3: Speaking of it, I just wanted to throw this out

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Speaker 3: podcast this morning. We were talking about we're talking about fantasy,

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Speaker 3: but we were talking about Travon Henderson. His over under

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Speaker 3: right now in Vegas, if you're the draft to bet,

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Speaker 3: his slot depending on what book you look at, is

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Speaker 3: either nineteen and a half or twenty one and a half.

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Speaker 2: Over under and running backs in the first round is

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Speaker 3: I think the whole world thinks he's going now. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: Vegas is telling us three you're going to go, and

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Speaker 3: And I think people are linking the Steelers to them too,

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Speaker 2: You know, Yeah, I think Josh Simmons from Ohio State

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Speaker 2: think Simmons in particular because of the injury. Yeah. But

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Speaker 2: which leads me to believe he will at least be

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Speaker 3: What's crazy is the very first mock we did for

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Speaker 3: I had him going four to the Patriots, and I

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Speaker 3: flat out said, I know, it's early in the process.

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Speaker 3: All these inj dudes, Benjamin Ravel, I'm gonna give him

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Speaker 3: all the benefit of doubt and pretend like they're healthy

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Speaker 3: because it's early. I'm sure at some point they'll work out.

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Speaker 3: He's a left tackle, He's the most talented left tackle

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Speaker 2: If he's finesse, I don't care. He's a low tackle.

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Speaker 3: They don't go thirty first, right, you know, And even

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Speaker 3: like Connerly to me is a tackle. I mean, economics

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Speaker 3: tell you tackles are hard to find. I think Ursery

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Speaker 3: huge tackle. People have him going fortieth fiftieth. I'm sitting

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Speaker 3: there looking at the Chiefs and Eagles, going, are they

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Speaker 3: I don't think the Chiefs will. No, I don't don't

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Speaker 3: the board, I think that really favors the smart teams

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Speaker 3: this history and this reputation of we don't care what

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Speaker 3: position it is. You're going to give us Hamilton, We're

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Speaker 3: why did we let that guy go to the Eagles?

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Speaker 2: You know what I mean? I could see that a

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Speaker 2: I think Kyle Williams, the Washington state wide receiver, is

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Speaker 3: Vastly underrated. The same podcast I was talking about with Henderson,

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Speaker 3: I'm like, this guy has to go on day two.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I don't understand this stuff with him in

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Speaker 3: Right, I mean we stole them probably under under the

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Speaker 3: table and mocks for you know, weeks and weeks and

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Speaker 2: No chance.

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Speaker 3: And we were talking about our top five receivers. His

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Speaker 3: I mean, if there's four that everybody kind of likes,

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Speaker 3: So there's a lot of them, but he's right kind

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I think Noel Williams, the cornerback out of cow

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Speaker 3: Because he didn't run as fast as.

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Speaker 2: Four to five. Yeah, not the wrong with the four

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Speaker 2: or five. He's another four, four nine. I think people

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Speaker 2: would look at him differently than how they're looking at

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Speaker 3: Which is dumb, which is stupid, which is dumb.

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 3: He's long, he can play press, takes the ball away,

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Speaker 3: takes the ball away. He's another one. To me, I

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Speaker 3: agree with all the names you mentioned. I think he

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Speaker 3: should be a third rounder. You know, maybe if he

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Speaker 3: went sixtieth, I would understand it.

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Speaker 2: Right. We know my Robinson from Nebraska, Oh yeah, yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 2: vastly underrated by miss style play.

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Speaker 3: This translates, you know, it's hard to play against. He's

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Speaker 2: He's Fisk right right, Brad and Fisk went in the

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Speaker 2: second round last year. They're almost the same guy. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: Like they just go in and just constantly Tasmanian devil

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Speaker 3: I don't even play seventy snaps, you.

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Speaker 2: Know, No, looking at some of the guys I think

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Speaker 2: are overrated in this draft. Man, basically everybody who is

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Speaker 2: marked down to go in the top fifteen. Yeah, I agree.

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Speaker 2: I just don't you know when people talk about, oh,

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Speaker 2: the Steelers need to trade up for what for what?

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Speaker 3: And I wonder if the league's gonna get smarter and

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Speaker 3: be like, so this is a different conversation, Like I

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Speaker 3: bet there are a lot of D line and go

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Speaker 3: knows everything all the above, but all the edges, there's

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Speaker 3: so many edges. I wonder if people say give me

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Speaker 3: Nolan instead of Michael Williams. I mean, like all the

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Speaker 3: I kind of feel like Harmon, Nolan Grant, who we

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Speaker 2: I think they are to a degree because I think

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Speaker 2: they should all sitting there twenty one. That's like that

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Speaker 2: shouldn't happen, right, it really shouldn't. I think that's why

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Speaker 2: the Steelers had some of the visits that they did have.

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Speaker 2: I just I think those guys are being underrated. I

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Speaker 2: look at the to Georgia Edge rushers. I think they're

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Speaker 2: both being over each over.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you're gonna say the guards being underrated.

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Speaker 2: I like the guard.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, the guards are good, they're solid starting guards. No,

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Speaker 3: it talks about them like that's a bad guard class.

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Speaker 2: But everybody blows up Both edge rushers. MIKEL Williams says,

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Speaker 2: no production. Where's he play on first down? I mean

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Speaker 2: he's a definition of it. He's high character, he's a captain,

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Speaker 2: he's active, he's active. That's all great. That should be

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Speaker 2: the icing on the cake, right, right, not the reason

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Speaker 2: you draft the guy, right, that's not then that's how

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Speaker 2: this draft is. Yeah, I mean we've talked about Graham

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Speaker 2: to no end. For him to be one of the

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Speaker 2: first defensive players off the board, to me is nuts.

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Speaker 2: But I'm not sure who deserves it ahead of him.

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Speaker 2: I mean Jaalen Walker's sixty one two forty three, and

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Speaker 3: All muscle, and way bit different leverage guy and way

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Speaker 3: more physical. Yeah, I kind of feel the same way.

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Speaker 3: It's like, if you're picking eight, nine, ten, you have

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Speaker 2: No, that's why the tight ends might just because the

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Speaker 2: tight ends I don't think are overrated. No, I think

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Speaker 2: they're solid. Yeah. Yeah, and they might just be the

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Speaker 2: both gonna hit, They're both gonna be good football players.

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Speaker 2: There's no guess work here. They're both and I think

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Speaker 2: they end up going higher than what maybe some people

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Speaker 3: If the Colts are fixated on a tight end, maybe

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Speaker 2: You think Loveland and they're both way. Trust both of

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Speaker 2: those guys more than I trust any of the receivers

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Speaker 3: Even Golden I like, but he doesn't play like I mean,

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Speaker 3: if he doesn't run a four to three, but sub

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Speaker 3: And he doesn't play that way. Yeah, I mean, and

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Speaker 3: I don't think he's a four to three guy period

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Speaker 2: Real good run. Yeah, I don't know.

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Speaker 3: I mean part of me thinks, get out twenty one,

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Speaker 2: But somebody's gonna want to move up. But I mean,

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Speaker 2: that's it's it's the constant. I hear that all the time.

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Speaker 2: The Steeler should trade down. They need to trade down.

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Speaker 2: You gotta have a trade partner. Yeah, somebody's got to

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Speaker 3: I wonder if the tackles are the are the thing

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Speaker 3: that people trade up for. I mean, if you could

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Speaker 3: they're moving up for Connorly or something like that, I mean,

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Speaker 3: I mean I think that those guys are it's hard

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Speaker 2: What they have.

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Speaker 3: And again back to what I'm saying, good football players

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Speaker 3: round that are not much different than the six pick

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the thing. I think what people need to

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Speaker 2: guard themselves against in this particular draft is just looking

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Speaker 2: at what the quote unquote experts put out there as

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Speaker 2: their top fifty or mock drafts. We're going to do

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Speaker 2: everythrow pick. And last year we'll be get twenty six

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Speaker 2: or twenty seven of the will be worse this year.

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Speaker 2: There's no doubt, no doubt in my mind. If we

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Speaker 2: get twenty this year, I'll be happy. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: And that was even just landing them in the first round, yeah,

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Speaker 3: we'll be lucky to do.

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Speaker 2: Because so much variance, Like you're gonna see guys, I

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Speaker 2: don't care whose rankings you pull up. You're going to

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Speaker 2: see guys who are probably multiple guys rated in the

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, no doubt about it. And really, I think

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Speaker 3: a better way of looking at this draft than all drafts,

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Speaker 3: but this one it stands out more is look at

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Speaker 3: land zer Line's grades as opposed to a top fifty,

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Speaker 3: because the fortieth guy and the twentieth guy could be

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Speaker 3: close grade wise, but if you're just looking at a list,

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Speaker 3: they don't look close at all, right, you know.

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Speaker 2: That's the thing, you know what I mean, that's the thing.

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Speaker 2: I mean again, if you're just looking at a list,

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Speaker 2: you've got to put a list together. And to your point,

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Speaker 2: number twenty and number forty are a long ways away

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Speaker 2: from each other. But grades wise they.

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Speaker 3: Might be real similar. They might be the same yeah,

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Speaker 3: the same grade. Yeah, they could absolutely be same tier

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Speaker 3: or very close, you know, if they play the same position.

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Speaker 2: Right, It's just the way this draft is. It's a

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Speaker 2: it's a really weird one. Maybe the we're again, I've

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Speaker 2: done this thirty three years now, this might be the

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Speaker 2: strangest draft that I can remember. I tend to agree.

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Speaker 3: I mean, even like the premier prospects, Hunter and Carter,

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Speaker 3: they're a little weird too. I mean, one was a

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Speaker 3: stand up linebacker that's going to end which also brings

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Speaker 3: me back to Walker. Everyone thinks that's such a strength. Well,

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Speaker 3: he can also play a linebacker. I'm like, yeah, but

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Speaker 3: I don't want I'm dropping in the coverage. If he's

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Speaker 3: my best pass rusher, I'm drafting them to brush the passage.

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Speaker 2: If I'm gonna take him in a top twelve.

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Speaker 3: I mean, I adore Hunter, but is he going to

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Speaker 3: play one hundred and thirty snap game?

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Speaker 2: Well, and he you know, he came out yesterday or

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Speaker 2: gonna quit.

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Speaker 3: I heard something like that, all right, not exactly the

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Speaker 3: smartest statement by the camp, but.

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Speaker 2: Well, again, this is what happens when you get a

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Speaker 2: bunch of nil money. You can I've got ten million

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Speaker 2: dollars in the bank. If I play in the NFL

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Speaker 2: or not, I'll.

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Speaker 3: Be okay, I'll be okay fire. Yeah, and I'm sure

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Speaker 3: he will get the opportunity.

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Speaker 2: But why say it. But it's just a different mentality

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Speaker 2: for today's athletes. I mean, you had the kid from

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Speaker 2: not getting anywhere near the two point four two point

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Speaker 2: five million. Then he was gonna assume not he wanted

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Speaker 2: the rays from at Tennessee. But the offers now are

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Speaker 2: like a million r. You made a bad business movement.

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Speaker 2: In the bad business, you didn't have the leverage.

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Speaker 3: I mean, I sound like an old man. We sound

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Speaker 3: like old men. These young I mean, but they're young kids.

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Speaker 3: I mean, there are a lot of them. Are seventeen sixteen

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Speaker 3: year olds making these decisions or eighteen nineteen where it

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Speaker 3: used to be you were twenty one JaMarcus Russell first

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Speaker 3: round pick making bad decisions, you know, but now you're

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Speaker 3: four years younger making bad decisions.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's bad, and they got a lot of money.

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Speaker 2: They're part of.

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Speaker 3: The draft in general, though, is odd. I tend to think.

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Speaker 2: Guys like Gray's Abel are overrated and Booker are overrated

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Speaker 2: in this particular draft, Like I'm not taking an interior

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Speaker 2: offensive lineman in the first round where these guys are going,

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Speaker 2: especially in this draft.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't. That's a good point too. I mean

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Speaker 3: they're not Fanica coming out lu. I mean no, these

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Speaker 3: are Hutchinson coming out of Michigan, you know what I mean?

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Speaker 2: Like, you're taking a guy who's going to be an okay,

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Speaker 2: who projects as a mid round good starter. Yeah, good starter, Okay, great,

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Speaker 2: But I don't want to pay twenty five million in

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Speaker 3: I mean, if you look at the last like twenty

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Speaker 3: thirty years of the NFL draft, good starter interior lineman,

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Speaker 3: they go thirty eight to a bad team, you know

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Speaker 3: what I mean, the team that needs O line help,

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Speaker 3: that got something good in the first round and then

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Speaker 3: you go get your guard and plug him in for

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Speaker 3: ten years and maybe he goes to a Pro Bowl. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: that's kind of who those are to me.

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Speaker 2: I think I can count on one hand the number

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Speaker 2: of centers drafted in the first round.

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Speaker 3: This since twenty twenty. Oh, it's like four.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, you know in five in five drafts, like

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Speaker 2: they just don't they don't go that high. I don't

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Speaker 2: go that high and you're day to Yeah, you better

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Speaker 2: than where they should be. Oh, he's a really good prospect.

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna list he's Gray's Abel could play tackle? Not

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Speaker 3: He can't, right, And I don't know what your rankings were,

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Speaker 3: but when we do our triple takes, you do your

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Speaker 3: five interior Oh, Linemen, I think Zabel was my one.

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Speaker 3: Most years, he'd be my four.

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Speaker 2: Yeah you know, I mean, is he really that different

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Speaker 3: I should site right, right, Not really, I'll just say,

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Speaker 3: I mean, there's a little bit of hindsight here, but

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Speaker 3: if we did this one year ago. I mean, I

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Speaker 3: think he's a better prospect than Zabel or Booker, and

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Speaker 3: not even know by the way he succeeded. I think

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Speaker 3: Powers Johnson is, I think Barton is. You know, I

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Speaker 3: mean all those guys I said last year's draft so

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Speaker 3: much better.

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Speaker 4: Two?

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Now again, I think defensively, this one is better

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Speaker 3: No, And again there's some quarterbacks very true this way too.

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Speaker 3: But fourth and fifth round there's wide receivers and corners

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Speaker 3: and quarterbacks we've known that are really growing on me

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Speaker 3: that I don't look her that much different than the

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Speaker 3: round two guys. You know what I mean. I mean,

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Speaker 3: Noel Williams a perfect example. Would you rather have him

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Speaker 3: or Azara Thomas William Wlliams right now? Every on the

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Speaker 3: planet has them noticeably two rounds apart.

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Speaker 2: No, it just doesn't make a lot of sense. And

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Speaker 2: again I bet NFL teams when they're grading these guys,

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Speaker 2: have him a lot closer than that.

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Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, because again they're using grades, not using rounds

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Speaker 3: a media driven thing.

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Speaker 4: You know.

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Speaker 3: The league doesn't look at it like we got thirty

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Speaker 3: two first rounders. We put grades on them and it's

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Speaker 2: That's the thing. I think maybe they're this year, there

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Speaker 2: might be twelve or thirteen quote unquote first round grades.

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Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah, lower the most. I think there's four

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Speaker 3: You count Ward as the fourth, yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, right,

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Speaker 3: but I think Ward counts even yeah, because even without.

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Speaker 2: The quarter going the first round in most drafts, I

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Speaker 3: The first top five in most yeah yeah yeah, maybe

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Speaker 3: not QB one, but some of you would.

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Speaker 2: But then after that, I think you've got a bunch

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Speaker 2: of guys with you see it in a lot of

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Speaker 2: different places, the one two next to their name. A

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Speaker 2: lot of stuff coming out now, well, a lot of

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Speaker 2: teams don't have a first round grade on Shador Sanders.

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Speaker 3: Okay, that's fine, that's fine. I I get it.

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Speaker 2: That doesn't mean he's not going to go at eighteen

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Speaker 2: or somewhere like that, because he probably has a one

436
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Speaker 2: first second round grade on him. Yeah, and there's going

437
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Speaker 2: to be sixty guys that have a first second round

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Speaker 2: grade on.

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Speaker 3: Them, which is how we start this conversation. That's Alexander

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Speaker 3: to me. Yeah, like I do like those three that

441
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Speaker 3: we always talk about, Grand Harmon and Nolan more than Alexander.

442
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Speaker 3: But are they that much different? I mean, they light

443
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Speaker 3: years different. Where one doesn't solve that, they all don't

444
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Speaker 3: solve your problem. The biggest difference is the age thing

445
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Speaker 3: with me.

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Speaker 2: I don't love the age with him.

447
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Speaker 3: You know how much years older than those other guys.

448
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Speaker 3: And I don't know how much that would dig me.

449
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Speaker 3: If it's my turn on the board and he's my

450
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Speaker 3: top guy, I think I'm fine with it. I mean,

451
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Speaker 3: who knows how long you get out of these eyes anyways,

452
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Speaker 3: but I don't love that part about him in particular.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, anyways, let's get through a break. He is the

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Speaker 2: Matt Williamson. I am Dale Lolli. You're listening to the

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Speaker 2: Driver on the Steelers Audio Network, Matt, and I'll be

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Speaker 2: back with more right after this.

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Speaker 1: He's the Drive with Dale Lolly and Williamson on your

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Speaker 1: twenty four to seven home of the Black and Gold

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Speaker 1: Steelers Nation.

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Speaker 2: Radio and welcome back to the drive. I am Dale Lolly.

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Speaker 2: He is the Matt Williamson, and we welcome in on

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Speaker 2: the Justin Miller hot Line, the Dean of Doom, the

463
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Speaker 2: lord of living in his spheares in the Great White

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Speaker 2: Shark of Steelers coverage. Bob Labriola, how you doing, Labs?

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Speaker 4: Good guys? How are we doing? We already for next

466
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Speaker 4: Thursday or what?

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Speaker 1: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: I couldn't get here soon enough, to be honest, absolutely

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Speaker 2: absolutely can't wait to uh to no longer be talking

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Speaker 2: about this particular draft and to actually be talking about,

471
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Speaker 2: oh I don't know, things like who's actually on the team,

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Speaker 2: where they land, things like that.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, right, Quit talking about what you think is

474
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Speaker 4: gonna happen and talk about what I actually does happen.

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Speaker 2: There you go, Absolutely, that's the world we live in, So, Labs,

476
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Speaker 2: this will be the fifth time in the Steelers history

477
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Speaker 2: since nineteen seventy with the modern history, that the Steelers

478
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Speaker 2: will have had the twenty first pick in the draft.

479
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Speaker 2: Do you know the players that they took at twenty

480
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Speaker 2: one and the previous four times.

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Speaker 3: Wow, I'd be impressed if you do well he is.

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Speaker 4: With this jeopardy.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, the first game in nineteen seventy four, Swan.

484
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Speaker 2: That would be Lyn Swan. Okay. The second time came

485
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Speaker 2: in nineteen seventy seven.

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Speaker 4: Seventy seven, Benny Cunningham.

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Speaker 2: No, it wasn't Benny Cunningham, that was Robin Cole right.

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Speaker 2: Nineteen eighty three was the next time they picked at

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Speaker 2: twenty one. Everybody knows this one unfortunate, Yeah, Gabrivera. And

490
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Speaker 2: then in nineteen ninety was the last time that they've

491
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Speaker 2: had the twenty first pick in the draft. They took

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Speaker 2: Eric Green. Decent success, So I mean they've got some

493
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Speaker 2: good players at picking.

494
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Speaker 4: Disagree with that. Well, whoever commented on Eric Green, he

495
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Speaker 4: was a.

496
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Speaker 2: Good player for the Steelers. I'm not saying he was

497
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Speaker 2: a great play. The one Hall of Famer of the group.

498
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Speaker 2: That's not too bad. He went to two Pro Bowls.

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Speaker 4: I know you weren't a fan.

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Speaker 2: You're not a fan of in general, taking tight ends

501
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Speaker 2: in the first round. I get it, but.

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Speaker 4: I'm not a fan of him. And you know, the

503
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Speaker 4: way I look at it is that was Joe Walton's fault.

504
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Speaker 4: So that allows me to kind of lump two of

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Speaker 4: my least favorites together.

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Speaker 2: I'm sure you also know the last time the Steelers

507
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Speaker 2: went into a draft, or not went into a draft,

508
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Speaker 2: but traded the second round their second round picking a

509
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Speaker 2: draft for a player straight up, I'm drawing a blank here,

510
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Speaker 2: that would be one's Jerome Bettas Ah. Okay, that worked

511
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Speaker 2: out all right too. That worked out okay too. So

512
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Speaker 2: some of the moves that they've they've made were the

513
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Speaker 2: way this draft lines up. I mean, they already traded

514
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Speaker 2: their second I'm not saying DK Metcalf's drove Bettest by

515
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Speaker 2: any stretch of the imagination. Not too shabby though, but

516
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Speaker 2: he could be an impact player like Bettis. And you've

517
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Speaker 2: got the twenty first pick in the draft, where you've

518
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Speaker 2: got guys like Lynn Swan. You know, Robin Cole was

519
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Speaker 2: a long time starter for the team. They've gotten good

520
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Speaker 2: value out of that pick over the years. Gabe might

521
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Speaker 2: have been all right, Gabe, Yeah, I mean, we just

522
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Speaker 2: don't know. And if they had taken Dan Marino there, well,

523
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Speaker 2: who knows what happens. But it's just all part of

524
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Speaker 2: the intrigue of the draft. You just don't know, given

525
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Speaker 2: year to year, how this whole thing goes.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and you know so much of it again. Uh,

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Speaker 4: there's a lot of hard work certainly that goes into

528
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Speaker 4: preparing for the draft. But you need you need luck.

529
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Speaker 4: I mean, you just do the way the picks on bold.

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Speaker 4: You know, I've told this story. Nineteen eighty five, Bill

531
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Speaker 4: Nunn had done a lot of work on this Mississippi

532
00:25:18,359 --> 00:25:22,959
Speaker 4: Valley State receiver that turned into a pretty decent player,

533
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Speaker 4: and he convinced Chuck Knowle that that was the guy,

534
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Speaker 4: and Steelers were all set to pick him. Uh and

535
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Speaker 4: right at the last minute, I mean, the forty nine

536
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Speaker 4: Ers traded up above him and picked Jerry Rice. So

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Speaker 4: you know, Dale, you mentioned just a couple of seconds

538
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Speaker 4: ago nineteen eighty three.

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Speaker 3: Dan Marino could have been something.

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Speaker 4: History, a little bit feelers history. I mean, certainly those

541
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Speaker 4: two guys went on.

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Speaker 2: Probably league history. Oh yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 3: There might be more trophies too in the eighties.

544
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Speaker 4: Yeah, great Hall of famers that they were. But so

545
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Speaker 4: but anyway, yeah, that's what you need. You can do

546
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Speaker 4: all the work you can be right about you know,

547
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Speaker 4: your conclusions that you have come to about certain players

548
00:26:17,320 --> 00:26:20,960
Speaker 4: and how those players might you know fit within your team,

549
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Speaker 4: your roster, but you've got to have an opportunity to

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Speaker 4: pick them, and sometimes that doesn't even happen.

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Speaker 3: So, speaking of Hall of Fame quarterbacks, we've heard nothing

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Speaker 3: on that front. What do you want the quarterback room

553
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Speaker 3: to look like post draft or what do you expect

554
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Speaker 3: the quarterback room to look like going into La Trobe?

555
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Speaker 3: I mean, do we have any clue? I mean I don't.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, seriously, I mean I don't And you know,

557
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Speaker 4: I don't know what I wanted to look like. I

558
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Speaker 4: don't know that there's you know, yeah, i'd like Joe

559
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Speaker 4: burrow be. I mean that's what I would want, But

560
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Speaker 4: I mean that's not real. So yeah, I don't know.

561
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Speaker 4: I don't know what it's going to look like. And

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Speaker 4: whatever it does look like, I don't know if it's

563
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Speaker 4: gonna I won't know if it's a path to success

564
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Speaker 4: or a path to disaster until you know it all unfolds.

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Speaker 4: I mean, it's kind of like the draft itself. You

566
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Speaker 4: can't you can't judge it immediately after.

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Speaker 3: And so yeah, no one seems super concerned, but I'm

568
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Speaker 3: getting super concerned.

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Speaker 4: Well you know, uh again, I I don't know. I

570
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Speaker 4: don't think that that the degree of knowing that I

571
00:27:49,720 --> 00:27:55,800
Speaker 4: currently possess right now necessarily translate it translates to the Steelers.

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Speaker 4: I mean, I don't think, you know, I think they

573
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Speaker 4: have a lot more idea of what might happen than

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Speaker 4: the public does. And uh, you know, we've talked about

575
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Speaker 4: this before. The Steelers don't show their cards in this

576
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Speaker 4: kind of thing. If whatever Aaron Rodgers said to them

577
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Speaker 4: during that meeting when he was in Pittsburgh, he it's

578
00:28:26,840 --> 00:28:30,919
Speaker 4: like it's like going into the confessional and telling the

579
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Speaker 4: priest your sins. Uh, that's never revealed, and you can

580
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Speaker 4: be you can be confident in that in terms of,

581
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Speaker 4: you know, a player in his conversations with the people

582
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Speaker 4: that he talked to in that setting. In terms of

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Speaker 4: it being leaked to the media or revealed or you

584
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Speaker 4: know whatever, the Steelers don't talk about that kind of stuff.

585
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Speaker 4: And so, you know, I don't know if the situation

586
00:29:03,880 --> 00:29:07,960
Speaker 4: is in fact what it might appear to be to

587
00:29:08,160 --> 00:29:11,440
Speaker 4: us at this particular time. I just don't know.

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Speaker 3: And so that's how I've kind of looked at it

589
00:29:14,320 --> 00:29:16,600
Speaker 3: the last couple of weeks. But just seems like, what's

590
00:29:16,600 --> 00:29:17,280
Speaker 3: the hang up here?

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Speaker 4: You know. Yeah, I mean I don't know. I don't

592
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Speaker 4: know what it is and what I try and do

593
00:29:26,360 --> 00:29:35,560
Speaker 4: seriously stay off social media and I sleep good, so Bob.

594
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Speaker 2: And In the last two years, basically since Omar Khan

595
00:29:38,960 --> 00:29:42,880
Speaker 2: has been the GM, the Steelers have had their pre

596
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Speaker 2: draft visits. In twenty twenty three, they brought in for

597
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Speaker 2: pre draft visits Broderick Jones, Joey Porter, Keanu Benton, and

598
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Speaker 2: Darnell Washington. We're all among their top thirty visits first

599
00:29:53,160 --> 00:29:56,680
Speaker 2: four draft picks that year. Last year, they brought in

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Speaker 2: Troy Filetano, Zach Frasier, Peyton Wills, and Mason McCormick and

601
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Speaker 2: Logan Lee were all part of their pre draft visits.

602
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Speaker 2: That's nine total, nine total in the last two years

603
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Speaker 2: out of sixty guys that they brought in. Does that

604
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Speaker 2: mean we can absolutely count on the guys that they

605
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Speaker 2: brought in this year? The thirty guys, there were nine

606
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Speaker 2: running backs and eight defensive linemen, and four quarterbacks and

607
00:30:18,080 --> 00:30:22,760
Speaker 2: four wide receivers some other ancillary piece I think three cornerbacks.

608
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Speaker 2: We can absolutely count on the Steelers taking three or

609
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Speaker 2: four or five of those guys.

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Speaker 4: You can. I'm not because as I was just saying, Yeah,

611
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Speaker 4: you know, it depends on how the picking goes. And

612
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Speaker 4: you know a lot of those pre draft visits again,

613
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Speaker 4: that's part of the information gathering process. If, for example,

614
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Speaker 4: the Steelers talk to a guy at the Combine or

615
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Speaker 4: say at the senior ball at the Combine, went to

616
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Speaker 4: his pro day, took him out to dinner, maybe they

617
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Speaker 4: don't need him to bring them in again. Maybe there

618
00:31:02,560 --> 00:31:05,600
Speaker 4: isn't any any other issues that they have. Maybe there

619
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Speaker 4: isn't any uh, final medical issues or checks too or

620
00:31:11,920 --> 00:31:14,360
Speaker 4: things to check. Maybe you know, they've already had them

621
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Speaker 4: on the board. Maybe they've already he's already met whichever

622
00:31:18,320 --> 00:31:24,240
Speaker 4: coordinator offense or defense. You know he's gonna be, you know,

623
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Speaker 4: whatever side of the ball he's on. So you know, again,

624
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Speaker 4: I because you can, you can you can massage the

625
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Speaker 4: narrative any way you want. You know, TJ Want didn't

626
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Speaker 4: make a top thirty visit, So there's that, right, I mean,

627
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Speaker 4: whatever whatever way you want to tell the story. There

628
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Speaker 4: are exceptions to the rule. And so I don't think

629
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Speaker 4: you can say, you know, based on their visits, they're

630
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Speaker 4: gonna pick these guys, or based on the visits they're

631
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Speaker 4: gonna pick these players. Because the Lawrence Timmins draft too,

632
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Speaker 4: there was a guy I forget his name now that

633
00:32:11,440 --> 00:32:13,520
Speaker 4: there was all linked to the Steelers, linked to the

634
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Speaker 4: Steelers because that was the year. You know, Joey Porter.

635
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Speaker 4: His last season in Pittsburgh was two thousand and six,

636
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Speaker 4: and so by then I think Joey Porter had gone

637
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Speaker 4: to the Dolphins. By the time of the draft, there

638
00:32:28,120 --> 00:32:30,120
Speaker 4: was some Texas A and M guy I can't think

639
00:32:30,120 --> 00:32:32,880
Speaker 4: of his name. Uh, he was linked to the Steelers.

640
00:32:32,880 --> 00:32:34,479
Speaker 4: He was linked to the Steels. They're gonna pick them,

641
00:32:34,480 --> 00:32:36,560
Speaker 4: They're gonna pick them there and pick them. Uh, he

642
00:32:36,680 --> 00:32:39,320
Speaker 4: was there. They didn't pick them, and they picked Lawrence Timmins,

643
00:32:39,600 --> 00:32:41,680
Speaker 4: who was not only the guy that everybody thought they

644
00:32:41,680 --> 00:32:43,920
Speaker 4: were gonna pick, but he didn't even play the position

645
00:32:44,880 --> 00:32:48,400
Speaker 4: that everybody thought that the Steelers were going to draft

646
00:32:48,440 --> 00:32:51,520
Speaker 4: to fill the spot of a guy that they just lost.

647
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Speaker 4: So you know, again, I've been around a lot of

648
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Speaker 4: these drafts, and you know, when you think you know

649
00:33:00,720 --> 00:33:03,280
Speaker 4: who it is or you think you know what position

650
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Speaker 4: it is, you really don't. And because again, one of

651
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Speaker 4: the things, if you're gonna if I were going to

652
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Speaker 4: give you one one aspect of Thursday Night that I

653
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Speaker 4: am confident is gonna happen. There's gonna be a pick

654
00:33:20,320 --> 00:33:25,200
Speaker 4: where I go, Wow, didn't see that one coming. And

655
00:33:25,360 --> 00:33:28,240
Speaker 4: so that's that's the thing about the draft. You don't

656
00:33:28,840 --> 00:33:33,440
Speaker 4: a lot of the information you think you're getting either

657
00:33:33,560 --> 00:33:38,720
Speaker 4: isn't true. It could be a smoke screen or you're

658
00:33:38,720 --> 00:33:42,680
Speaker 4: getting all the information and then and even if it's right,

659
00:33:43,440 --> 00:33:47,240
Speaker 4: but the way that the way it unfolds, it's not

660
00:33:47,400 --> 00:33:51,440
Speaker 4: possible for it to happen that way. That's why I'm

661
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Speaker 4: I'm ready for April twenty fourth to come around, as

662
00:33:55,320 --> 00:33:57,640
Speaker 4: I said, so we can quit talking about what we

663
00:33:57,760 --> 00:34:00,400
Speaker 4: think is going to happen and start talking about what

664
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Speaker 4: actually does happen. Because I think when when once it's

665
00:34:04,080 --> 00:34:11,760
Speaker 4: all said and done and the first twenty picks are made,

666
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Speaker 4: that I think the twenty first pick is going to

667
00:34:14,719 --> 00:34:19,160
Speaker 4: make some sense, you know, once it is made. That's

668
00:34:19,239 --> 00:34:20,600
Speaker 4: been my experience.

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Speaker 3: So Labs, I know, you don't break down the prospects

670
00:34:24,920 --> 00:34:27,319
Speaker 3: like crazy going into the draft, and you get to

671
00:34:27,320 --> 00:34:29,279
Speaker 3: know them a little a lot more obviously once they

672
00:34:29,320 --> 00:34:33,399
Speaker 3: become Steelers. But I find it really interesting that they

673
00:34:33,400 --> 00:34:36,440
Speaker 3: pick twenty one and then they don't pick again until

674
00:34:36,600 --> 00:34:40,640
Speaker 3: eighty three, I think it is. And Alexander who is

675
00:34:40,640 --> 00:34:44,600
Speaker 3: in today from Toledo, I can't imagine him going twenty one,

676
00:34:44,760 --> 00:34:46,440
Speaker 3: but I can't imagine him being.

677
00:34:46,280 --> 00:34:47,120
Speaker 2: There at eighty three.

678
00:34:47,800 --> 00:34:52,480
Speaker 3: Like a high percentage of their thirty visits fall in

679
00:34:52,560 --> 00:34:56,640
Speaker 3: that range after they're gonna pick, and well before they're

680
00:34:56,640 --> 00:34:59,600
Speaker 3: gonna pick the next time. Do you think they're really

681
00:34:59,640 --> 00:35:01,680
Speaker 3: gearing up to be moving around the board If I'm

682
00:35:01,760 --> 00:35:02,400
Speaker 3: right about.

683
00:35:02,200 --> 00:35:08,040
Speaker 4: That again, I'm gonna keep saying what I've been. You

684
00:35:08,080 --> 00:35:12,440
Speaker 4: know what, what would you say that these picks are

685
00:35:12,480 --> 00:35:15,400
Speaker 4: slotted to go in a certain area of the draft?

686
00:35:15,760 --> 00:35:20,040
Speaker 4: That doesn't no offense? Sure, that doesn't make true, no doubt,

687
00:35:20,120 --> 00:35:24,480
Speaker 4: that's what That's what is thought. That's the guess, uh

688
00:35:24,560 --> 00:35:27,120
Speaker 4: at this point. And so you know we're gonna find

689
00:35:27,160 --> 00:35:32,120
Speaker 4: out because if there was such a thing as taught

690
00:35:32,200 --> 00:35:35,080
Speaker 4: thirty visits in nineteen eighty three, uh, there will have

691
00:35:35,120 --> 00:35:36,719
Speaker 4: been a lot of people think of what is what

692
00:35:36,840 --> 00:35:40,160
Speaker 4: is Miami bringing Dan Dan Marino in? For he's never

693
00:35:40,160 --> 00:35:43,000
Speaker 4: gonna last that long and then their second round pick

694
00:35:43,000 --> 00:35:45,920
Speaker 4: will certainly be gone by then, or you know whatever.

695
00:35:46,440 --> 00:35:51,120
Speaker 4: So you know, this is this is part of the

696
00:35:51,800 --> 00:35:59,400
Speaker 4: pre draft phase or you know period that you know

697
00:35:59,440 --> 00:36:02,239
Speaker 4: we're in right now. I mean, I think everybody's just

698
00:36:02,440 --> 00:36:06,120
Speaker 4: looking trying to add one in one and come up

699
00:36:06,160 --> 00:36:10,320
Speaker 4: with whatever total that fits the point that they're trying

700
00:36:10,360 --> 00:36:13,799
Speaker 4: to make. I mean, what you're saying about these top

701
00:36:13,840 --> 00:36:18,000
Speaker 4: thirty visits. You know, maybe true, maybe all of the

702
00:36:18,000 --> 00:36:23,319
Speaker 4: guys they're bringing in are in that range. But you know,

703
00:36:23,360 --> 00:36:27,919
Speaker 4: we've talked about this before. If you're at twenty one

704
00:36:29,280 --> 00:36:32,400
Speaker 4: and Derek Harmon is there and you think, well, this

705
00:36:32,480 --> 00:36:36,320
Speaker 4: guy's like that, he's more like the thirty first overall pick,

706
00:36:36,960 --> 00:36:39,160
Speaker 4: don't want to reach for him at twenty one. But

707
00:36:39,200 --> 00:36:41,600
Speaker 4: if you can't get him, if you don't pick him

708
00:36:41,600 --> 00:36:44,360
Speaker 4: at twenty twenty one and reach for him quote unquote,

709
00:36:45,600 --> 00:36:49,240
Speaker 4: you're not gonna have a chance to get him after that.

710
00:36:49,239 --> 00:36:53,320
Speaker 4: That's always my point about trading down. Yet it sounds good,

711
00:36:53,880 --> 00:36:57,000
Speaker 4: and you know it looks good maybe, and you know

712
00:36:57,080 --> 00:37:02,000
Speaker 4: in the next day's analysis of how team manipulated the process,

713
00:37:02,960 --> 00:37:05,239
Speaker 4: but you know, who did you get or who did

714
00:37:05,280 --> 00:37:09,560
Speaker 4: you miss? To me, those are the more important things.

715
00:37:09,600 --> 00:37:11,680
Speaker 4: And you know, I'll use the Dan Rooney quote all

716
00:37:11,760 --> 00:37:14,719
Speaker 4: the time. You know, the thing with scouts is they're

717
00:37:14,719 --> 00:37:17,279
Speaker 4: trying to win the draft. The idea is you're trying

718
00:37:17,280 --> 00:37:22,520
Speaker 4: to win the Super Bowl. So is it is it

719
00:37:22,640 --> 00:37:28,560
Speaker 4: wise to trade down for extra picks to get into

720
00:37:28,600 --> 00:37:32,640
Speaker 4: the range that we're just talking about. But then, who

721
00:37:32,680 --> 00:37:34,719
Speaker 4: did you not get a chance to add to your

722
00:37:34,800 --> 00:37:42,200
Speaker 4: team by doing that? You know, again, I don't a

723
00:37:42,239 --> 00:37:46,640
Speaker 4: lot of these things. You really don't know the answer

724
00:37:46,680 --> 00:37:49,920
Speaker 4: to them until you know it's several years down the

725
00:37:49,960 --> 00:37:55,480
Speaker 4: line and you find out who these players actually are. Uh,

726
00:37:56,239 --> 00:37:59,160
Speaker 4: you know, because trading up for Devin Bush the day

727
00:37:59,200 --> 00:38:05,080
Speaker 4: that had happened looked like genius. You know, three years

728
00:38:05,160 --> 00:38:08,040
Speaker 4: later it goes down as one of the worst picks

729
00:38:08,920 --> 00:38:13,400
Speaker 4: in recent Steelers history. Jarvis Jones another one. Wow, what

730
00:38:13,440 --> 00:38:18,080
Speaker 4: a great pick that was? Whatever he was fifteenth, seventeenth. Overall,

731
00:38:18,480 --> 00:38:21,439
Speaker 4: you get a you just picked the guy who led

732
00:38:21,440 --> 00:38:24,480
Speaker 4: the sec in sacks back to back years and you're

733
00:38:24,520 --> 00:38:27,200
Speaker 4: putting them on the edge. What a great pick that was?

734
00:38:28,320 --> 00:38:35,000
Speaker 4: Didn't turn out to be that. So again, all this

735
00:38:35,080 --> 00:38:38,880
Speaker 4: is fun right now, but we're not going to have

736
00:38:38,920 --> 00:38:40,640
Speaker 4: any real answers for a couple of years.

737
00:38:40,680 --> 00:38:43,759
Speaker 5: I don't think, absolutely Well, labs, we will see you

738
00:38:43,840 --> 00:38:46,440
Speaker 5: at the facility next week when we do all this

739
00:38:46,719 --> 00:38:49,680
Speaker 5: fun stuff, and well, we'll hear from my believe we'll

740
00:38:49,680 --> 00:38:53,960
Speaker 5: hear from Mike Toman and Omar Khan early next week sometime.

741
00:38:54,200 --> 00:38:57,319
Speaker 2: Okay, we'll get an opportunity to have them not tell

742
00:38:57,400 --> 00:38:58,600
Speaker 2: us who they're going to pick.

743
00:39:00,000 --> 00:39:02,480
Speaker 3: I'm sure they'll open up all the secrets.

744
00:39:03,920 --> 00:39:06,560
Speaker 4: And hey, and I don't I'm not. That's not a

745
00:39:06,600 --> 00:39:08,160
Speaker 4: shot at Mike Palmlan and.

746
00:39:08,880 --> 00:39:10,759
Speaker 2: All they tell you.

747
00:39:11,120 --> 00:39:14,239
Speaker 4: As a as an old man, I've been through a

748
00:39:14,239 --> 00:39:17,239
Speaker 4: lot of these and I can tell you nobody has

749
00:39:17,320 --> 00:39:20,040
Speaker 4: ever told you anything in those.

750
00:39:20,200 --> 00:39:23,879
Speaker 2: In those unless you're picking number one. Overall, it's all

751
00:39:24,239 --> 00:39:26,840
Speaker 2: you have. You have no idea. And then the press.

752
00:39:26,640 --> 00:39:29,200
Speaker 4: Conference after it wouldn't tell you that either.

753
00:39:29,640 --> 00:39:31,560
Speaker 3: And the press conference is after. I'm sure they're going

754
00:39:31,600 --> 00:39:34,239
Speaker 3: to say good things about the guys they picked too. Yeah,

755
00:39:34,280 --> 00:39:35,640
Speaker 3: they're not gonna be like, we really don't want to

756
00:39:35,680 --> 00:39:36,680
Speaker 3: take this guy, but we had to.

757
00:39:40,040 --> 00:39:45,759
Speaker 4: That's that's one I would like to hear. Oh God,

758
00:39:45,880 --> 00:39:49,560
Speaker 4: did we mess that one. It's like when the surgeon

759
00:39:49,640 --> 00:39:53,160
Speaker 4: comes out of the operating room and sees the family,

760
00:39:53,280 --> 00:39:56,120
Speaker 4: he always says, yeah, the operation was a success. I

761
00:39:56,160 --> 00:39:57,960
Speaker 4: want to hear one when he comes on, because why

762
00:39:58,080 --> 00:39:58,759
Speaker 4: did I mess that?

763
00:39:58,840 --> 00:40:02,759
Speaker 2: One sho dies? That's yeah, that's all it goes. And

764
00:40:02,800 --> 00:40:05,080
Speaker 2: even then they won't admit it. But Bob, we appreciate

765
00:40:05,120 --> 00:40:07,960
Speaker 2: you stopping by and we'll see you next week. Bob Labriola,

766
00:40:08,080 --> 00:40:10,920
Speaker 2: the Dean of Doom, the Lord of living in his fears.

767
00:40:11,400 --> 00:40:14,080
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00:40:16,719 --> 00:40:19,680
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Speaker 2: and give us your comments what you think the show,

782
00:41:01,000 --> 00:41:06,120
Speaker 2: all that fun stuff, Matt. So much of this draft

783
00:41:06,120 --> 00:41:13,600
Speaker 2: talk surrounding the Steelers centers on the quarterback position, Who,

784
00:41:13,640 --> 00:41:17,920
Speaker 2: if anybody, would you be willing or comfortable taking at

785
00:41:17,920 --> 00:41:22,879
Speaker 2: twenty one of this quarterback draft, assuming Cam Wintzer might

786
00:41:22,920 --> 00:41:25,719
Speaker 2: be none. Yeah, Cam wore is not going to be there,

787
00:41:26,000 --> 00:41:27,360
Speaker 2: So I understand.

788
00:41:26,880 --> 00:41:30,520
Speaker 3: I'm on an island on this. But my Steeler, my

789
00:41:30,680 --> 00:41:39,560
Speaker 3: Steeler only quarterback ranks would go Ward, mill Roe, Sanders.

790
00:41:40,120 --> 00:41:45,640
Speaker 3: I'm not sure between Darton, Shuck Now and Labs had

791
00:41:45,680 --> 00:41:47,640
Speaker 3: some good points. We think we know where these guys

792
00:41:47,640 --> 00:41:50,200
Speaker 3: are going, but we don't, especially the quarterback position. I

793
00:41:50,200 --> 00:41:54,040
Speaker 3: think in this year, maybe more than ever, for where

794
00:41:54,040 --> 00:41:58,640
Speaker 3: they're projected to go. Milroe and Shuck are my favorite

795
00:41:58,960 --> 00:41:59,560
Speaker 3: at cost.

796
00:41:59,760 --> 00:42:01,360
Speaker 2: Yeah.

797
00:42:01,840 --> 00:42:06,799
Speaker 3: Now, I've also gone back and forth. Would you take

798
00:42:07,480 --> 00:42:13,360
Speaker 3: Sanders at twenty one? Maybe I'm in the same boat,

799
00:42:13,640 --> 00:42:15,560
Speaker 3: you know. And would you take Milrow at twenty one?

800
00:42:15,719 --> 00:42:18,719
Speaker 3: I'm a maybe I can't take Milrow at twenty one?

801
00:42:19,040 --> 00:42:22,200
Speaker 3: Seeh if they're both sitting there, I would Row over Sanders.

802
00:42:22,280 --> 00:42:27,480
Speaker 3: The floor is too the floor is too low. Yeah,

803
00:42:27,600 --> 00:42:30,239
Speaker 3: I think Sanders floor is lower than he gets credit

804
00:42:30,320 --> 00:42:30,880
Speaker 3: for too.

805
00:42:30,760 --> 00:42:36,759
Speaker 2: Though I don't disagree. Yeah, but I think there's more

806
00:42:36,840 --> 00:42:40,320
Speaker 2: tools to work with. As a true quarterback right now.

807
00:42:40,800 --> 00:42:44,120
Speaker 3: Oh, he's better to start today for sure, times a thousand, right.

808
00:42:44,360 --> 00:42:46,160
Speaker 3: I really like Sanders from the neck up.

809
00:42:47,640 --> 00:42:49,799
Speaker 2: That I would that would be a consideration for me.

810
00:42:50,280 --> 00:42:52,879
Speaker 2: I would not consider Jackson Dart at twenty one at all.

811
00:42:53,120 --> 00:42:53,560
Speaker 2: I would not.

812
00:42:54,480 --> 00:42:56,120
Speaker 3: I can guarantee you I can come up with twenty

813
00:42:56,120 --> 00:42:58,480
Speaker 3: one players i'd pick ahead of him, and probably nowhere

814
00:42:58,480 --> 00:42:59,000
Speaker 3: in the first round.

815
00:42:59,000 --> 00:43:00,759
Speaker 2: Would I take him? Now? If I trade it back

816
00:43:00,800 --> 00:43:04,520
Speaker 2: to if it was at thirty eight, that's a different conversation,

817
00:43:04,640 --> 00:43:07,600
Speaker 2: different conversation, right, But not at twenty one. There's going

818
00:43:07,640 --> 00:43:09,520
Speaker 2: to be somebody else there that's going to help me

819
00:43:09,640 --> 00:43:12,839
Speaker 2: much much more than what I think his ceiling can

820
00:43:12,880 --> 00:43:13,760
Speaker 2: be in the NFL.

821
00:43:15,440 --> 00:43:17,920
Speaker 3: So let's focus on Sanders because he seems like the

822
00:43:17,920 --> 00:43:22,360
Speaker 3: one that could go the Saints. He could go who knows,

823
00:43:23,320 --> 00:43:26,000
Speaker 3: and I definitely think the Browns of Giants. Maybe other

824
00:43:26,040 --> 00:43:29,839
Speaker 3: teams might move around for his services. Yeah, but in

825
00:43:29,880 --> 00:43:32,120
Speaker 3: a way, he almost looks like he's in no man's

826
00:43:32,200 --> 00:43:37,000
Speaker 3: land to some degree today, which is lies goal, right, Yeah,

827
00:43:37,040 --> 00:43:39,839
Speaker 3: but worries me for the Steelers. Like if I were

828
00:43:39,880 --> 00:43:43,600
Speaker 3: the Saints, I would have sandershead of Milroe. But i'm

829
00:43:43,600 --> 00:43:46,400
Speaker 3: the Steelers, I would have Milroe ahead of Sanders. So

830
00:43:47,000 --> 00:43:49,640
Speaker 3: if I'm doing generic rankings, I'd probably have Sanders ahead

831
00:43:49,640 --> 00:43:50,399
Speaker 3: of them.

832
00:43:50,920 --> 00:43:55,319
Speaker 2: I just think on his best.

833
00:43:54,360 --> 00:43:59,640
Speaker 3: Outcome is Carr, Cousins, Gino, and I don't want to

834
00:43:59,680 --> 00:44:02,600
Speaker 3: go to battle with those guys against Lamar and Burrow

835
00:44:03,320 --> 00:44:05,920
Speaker 3: for the next decade. You know, I'd rather miss and

836
00:44:06,000 --> 00:44:07,600
Speaker 3: come back next year and get another time.

837
00:44:07,680 --> 00:44:09,239
Speaker 2: I hear you. But here's the here's the other side

838
00:44:09,280 --> 00:44:11,360
Speaker 2: of that argument. Yeah, And so I don't want to

839
00:44:11,400 --> 00:44:12,920
Speaker 2: be talking out of both sides of my mouth on

840
00:44:12,960 --> 00:44:17,000
Speaker 2: this one, because I was on board with the drafting

841
00:44:17,000 --> 00:44:19,919
Speaker 2: of Nogie Harris a few years ago in the first

842
00:44:19,960 --> 00:44:22,960
Speaker 2: round because you didn't have one didn't know back, you

843
00:44:22,960 --> 00:44:25,279
Speaker 2: didn't have you didn't have a lead back at all, right, right,

844
00:44:25,360 --> 00:44:27,560
Speaker 2: right right, and you had to have a lead back

845
00:44:27,560 --> 00:44:29,440
Speaker 2: coming of that. So why not take the guy that

846
00:44:29,480 --> 00:44:32,000
Speaker 2: you feel is the most is the best suited to

847
00:44:32,000 --> 00:44:34,680
Speaker 2: be that guy with that first round pick.

848
00:44:35,080 --> 00:44:37,279
Speaker 3: See to me, that argument holds up for every other

849
00:44:37,280 --> 00:44:42,200
Speaker 3: position but quarterback, because I still think you could get

850
00:44:42,320 --> 00:44:45,120
Speaker 3: Carr or Cousins if Rogers turns his back on you

851
00:44:45,200 --> 00:44:50,239
Speaker 3: for this year. So I'm looking for this for the

852
00:44:50,280 --> 00:44:54,040
Speaker 3: next ten and I think Sanders has a chance to

853
00:44:54,040 --> 00:44:58,560
Speaker 3: have a good career and be a good starter. I

854
00:44:58,600 --> 00:45:00,160
Speaker 3: don't know that I can get where I need to

855
00:45:00,200 --> 00:45:02,600
Speaker 3: be with a good starter, especially when I have to

856
00:45:02,640 --> 00:45:05,279
Speaker 3: pay him in five years now. I mentioned like the

857
00:45:05,320 --> 00:45:07,440
Speaker 3: Saints for him. You don't have to pay him, No

858
00:45:07,520 --> 00:45:11,160
Speaker 3: you don't, you don't, but you can else. Yeah, you know,

859
00:45:11,239 --> 00:45:14,040
Speaker 3: I don't want to be in the Tua Pardy neighborhood either,

860
00:45:14,120 --> 00:45:17,040
Speaker 3: but that's five years down the road. You can draft

861
00:45:17,120 --> 00:45:19,319
Speaker 3: Hurts in the second round even when it went you know,

862
00:45:21,280 --> 00:45:25,080
Speaker 3: Sanders specifically worries me a little bit in this area

863
00:45:25,080 --> 00:45:29,400
Speaker 3: of the country too. He's not a power thrower, and

864
00:45:29,480 --> 00:45:32,319
Speaker 3: he doesn't have the athleticism trump card to get out

865
00:45:32,320 --> 00:45:36,400
Speaker 3: of trouble when the snow's bad in the field in

866
00:45:36,440 --> 00:45:38,399
Speaker 3: Cleveland's crappy, and you know what I mean.

867
00:45:38,560 --> 00:45:42,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, so yeah, yeah.

868
00:45:42,680 --> 00:45:44,920
Speaker 3: If I'm the Saints and the Falcons and the Panthers,

869
00:45:45,800 --> 00:45:47,759
Speaker 3: most of my games don't matter that way, you know.

870
00:45:47,840 --> 00:45:50,759
Speaker 3: I mean it's kind of like Tua I mean, where

871
00:45:50,960 --> 00:45:55,359
Speaker 3: I love his toughness. I've I've opened my mind more

872
00:45:55,400 --> 00:45:58,120
Speaker 3: to Sanders than I did a month ago, because I

873
00:45:58,160 --> 00:45:58,600
Speaker 3: think it's.

874
00:45:58,480 --> 00:46:00,799
Speaker 2: Well, a month ago, he wasn't. He wasn't to make consideration.

875
00:46:00,880 --> 00:46:03,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's more real now that they might actually have

876
00:46:03,640 --> 00:46:07,719
Speaker 3: that decision. But I come down to it, if the

877
00:46:07,800 --> 00:46:09,439
Speaker 3: chips are on the table and I get to pick

878
00:46:09,520 --> 00:46:11,799
Speaker 3: Milroe or Sanders and those are my only options, I

879
00:46:11,800 --> 00:46:14,480
Speaker 3: can't trade out Grant and Nolan and those guys don't

880
00:46:14,480 --> 00:46:18,279
Speaker 3: even exist, I would pick Milrow. But I'm I very

881
00:46:18,360 --> 00:46:19,920
Speaker 3: much understand I'm in the minority.

882
00:46:20,320 --> 00:46:21,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm not using the.

883
00:46:21,480 --> 00:46:23,640
Speaker 3: Twenty first pick in the draft on Jaln Milroe. Yeah,

884
00:46:23,719 --> 00:46:25,720
Speaker 3: I'm not sure I'm using on any is. I guess

885
00:46:25,560 --> 00:46:27,920
Speaker 3: the first question you asked that was right the bigger

886
00:46:28,520 --> 00:46:30,759
Speaker 3: right portion of this, and I don't know if either

887
00:46:30,760 --> 00:46:31,919
Speaker 3: would be in my twenty one.

888
00:46:32,800 --> 00:46:33,200
Speaker 2: Yeah.

889
00:46:33,480 --> 00:46:35,759
Speaker 3: I mean that's also a different story than how it

890
00:46:35,800 --> 00:46:37,080
Speaker 3: really goes, right, you know.

891
00:46:37,200 --> 00:46:41,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, Yeah, it's all. It's part of the conundrum right

892
00:46:41,920 --> 00:46:44,800
Speaker 2: now that you face. And again, I think if you knew,

893
00:46:47,239 --> 00:46:49,799
Speaker 2: I'm I'm assuming like they know what's going on with

894
00:46:49,840 --> 00:46:52,960
Speaker 2: Aaron Rodgers much more so than anybody's putting out there.

895
00:46:53,000 --> 00:46:55,200
Speaker 2: I assume, and I all think that factors into it.

896
00:46:55,280 --> 00:46:58,880
Speaker 2: I think if they know, you know, even it factors

897
00:46:58,920 --> 00:47:01,840
Speaker 2: into it, but it doesn't preclude them from taking a

898
00:47:01,920 --> 00:47:03,800
Speaker 2: quarterback in the first round one hundred percent.

899
00:47:04,080 --> 00:47:07,239
Speaker 3: But I also think it changes your viewpoint on a

900
00:47:07,239 --> 00:47:11,080
Speaker 3: little that. I don't think this quarterback they draft, whether

901
00:47:11,160 --> 00:47:14,680
Speaker 3: it's a twenty one or in the seventh round, plays

902
00:47:14,680 --> 00:47:17,480
Speaker 3: a snap unless there's massive injuries or you're two to

903
00:47:17,520 --> 00:47:19,120
Speaker 3: ten and it's time to see what they are, you

904
00:47:19,200 --> 00:47:21,000
Speaker 3: know what I mean. Well, maybe Milroy would get out.

905
00:47:21,000 --> 00:47:22,680
Speaker 3: They would never start a game. Yeah, you know, maybe

906
00:47:22,680 --> 00:47:24,640
Speaker 3: they play a snap, but they would never start a game.

907
00:47:25,719 --> 00:47:27,799
Speaker 3: So I'm thinking, what are they going to be a

908
00:47:27,960 --> 00:47:28,640
Speaker 3: year from now?

909
00:47:28,840 --> 00:47:29,080
Speaker 2: You know?

910
00:47:29,480 --> 00:47:31,840
Speaker 3: To me, that's how I'm looking through the quarterback lens,

911
00:47:31,840 --> 00:47:36,880
Speaker 3: whether that's Rourke or Howard or Accord or the top guys.

912
00:47:38,360 --> 00:47:40,279
Speaker 3: With Rudolph in place, I don't even need a two.

913
00:47:40,719 --> 00:47:42,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it's weird.

914
00:47:42,239 --> 00:47:44,799
Speaker 3: I mean, it's kind of an odd situation and back

915
00:47:44,840 --> 00:47:47,120
Speaker 3: to kind of like we were chatting with Labs. I

916
00:47:47,239 --> 00:47:49,560
Speaker 3: have a hunch that they're not just sitting there every

917
00:47:49,640 --> 00:47:53,279
Speaker 3: day going I hope Aaron calls and signs they have

918
00:47:53,320 --> 00:47:55,520
Speaker 3: an idea, and if he doesn't, I bet they have

919
00:47:55,600 --> 00:47:57,680
Speaker 3: a car. A cousin's replacement playing.

920
00:47:58,080 --> 00:48:00,239
Speaker 2: Wait you know, Matt, you're saying they have a plan,

921
00:48:01,480 --> 00:48:04,600
Speaker 2: I know, right, a plan and you were shocked by that, right, right.

922
00:48:04,520 --> 00:48:06,359
Speaker 3: They're just not just rolling the dice and hope they

923
00:48:06,360 --> 00:48:09,960
Speaker 3: get snake eyes. Yeah right, yeah, yeah, I'm with you.

924
00:48:10,000 --> 00:48:13,360
Speaker 3: I don't think it's going to be a quarterback. I

925
00:48:13,480 --> 00:48:16,160
Speaker 3: was at twenty one. Yeah, I would understand if it is.

926
00:48:16,480 --> 00:48:18,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know that. I would understand if it

927
00:48:18,760 --> 00:48:19,160
Speaker 2: was Dart.

928
00:48:20,320 --> 00:48:23,080
Speaker 3: Would you understand if it's Milrow. I'm not saying you

929
00:48:23,200 --> 00:48:23,520
Speaker 3: do it.

930
00:48:24,160 --> 00:48:27,680
Speaker 2: I would, und I would understand it. I wouldn't necessarily

931
00:48:27,719 --> 00:48:29,920
Speaker 2: agree with it, but I would understand because of the

932
00:48:29,960 --> 00:48:31,840
Speaker 2: ceiling what he could be.

933
00:48:32,040 --> 00:48:35,520
Speaker 3: It's just the argument that if you love a quarterback,

934
00:48:36,800 --> 00:48:37,600
Speaker 3: what's too high?

935
00:48:37,680 --> 00:48:38,200
Speaker 2: You know what I mean?

936
00:48:39,640 --> 00:48:40,880
Speaker 3: If you love them, if you love them, if you

937
00:48:40,920 --> 00:48:42,600
Speaker 3: love them and you got to leave this draft with them,

938
00:48:43,280 --> 00:48:43,799
Speaker 3: I get it.

939
00:48:43,880 --> 00:48:47,720
Speaker 2: Well, somebody on the message board and you know brought

940
00:48:47,800 --> 00:48:50,680
Speaker 2: up you know, he put together four names.

941
00:48:50,760 --> 00:48:53,239
Speaker 3: First of all, all four were black quarterbacks.

942
00:48:53,320 --> 00:48:56,759
Speaker 2: Okay, but secondly, all four were drafted high in the

943
00:48:56,760 --> 00:49:01,080
Speaker 2: first round. Yeah. It was JaMarcus Russell and Trey Lance

944
00:49:01,160 --> 00:49:02,320
Speaker 2: and you know.

945
00:49:03,080 --> 00:49:05,040
Speaker 3: We're talking about bus. Yeah, guys, that didn't.

946
00:49:04,920 --> 00:49:07,520
Speaker 2: Dwayne hass He put Dwayne Haskins in the group, like

947
00:49:07,600 --> 00:49:10,000
Speaker 2: the eleventh pick in the draft. I can't remember who

948
00:49:10,000 --> 00:49:11,759
Speaker 2: else was there. Maybe it was Fields, I don't know.

949
00:49:15,200 --> 00:49:18,680
Speaker 2: Taking a guy in that top eleven twelve, eleven and

950
00:49:18,800 --> 00:49:20,959
Speaker 2: up picks or trading up for them like the forty

951
00:49:21,040 --> 00:49:24,440
Speaker 2: nine ers did with Trey Lance. That's a mistake that

952
00:49:24,520 --> 00:49:26,319
Speaker 2: you can't get out of. That you can't get out

953
00:49:26,320 --> 00:49:29,040
Speaker 2: of if you just take a guy at twenty one.

954
00:49:29,320 --> 00:49:31,920
Speaker 2: That's completely different. It's completely different.

955
00:49:31,960 --> 00:49:33,920
Speaker 3: I'm glad you brought that up because I thought about

956
00:49:33,920 --> 00:49:36,800
Speaker 3: maybe even us doing a whole segment on it, because

957
00:49:37,880 --> 00:49:40,320
Speaker 3: I if it was brought to my attention on a

958
00:49:40,360 --> 00:49:43,680
Speaker 3: podcast today Marcus Mosher, who was on our show. Once

959
00:49:43,920 --> 00:49:45,919
Speaker 3: he went and he looked at like the last five

960
00:49:46,040 --> 00:49:47,560
Speaker 3: or ten drafts. I saw it, and they were like

961
00:49:47,600 --> 00:49:51,080
Speaker 3: four quarterbacks drafted between It's a second half of round

962
00:49:51,160 --> 00:49:54,880
Speaker 3: one through like pick fifty. Yeah, which it sure looks

963
00:49:54,880 --> 00:49:57,520
Speaker 3: like there's gonna be guys drafted this year and it's

964
00:49:58,000 --> 00:50:03,680
Speaker 3: picket Lock Levis, like those guys don't even exist anymore.

965
00:50:04,040 --> 00:50:04,640
Speaker 2: Was the other one?

966
00:50:05,280 --> 00:50:08,719
Speaker 3: Maybe there was like one true hit. Hurts may even

967
00:50:08,760 --> 00:50:11,080
Speaker 3: been picked too late in round two. There was somebody

968
00:50:11,080 --> 00:50:13,960
Speaker 3: in that group that what was a good player? Yeah, yeah,

969
00:50:14,000 --> 00:50:16,120
Speaker 3: but I mean it's been no man's land. Yeah, and

970
00:50:16,120 --> 00:50:17,240
Speaker 3: they're all on different teams.

971
00:50:17,800 --> 00:50:20,319
Speaker 2: But that's largely because of how the drafts have gone

972
00:50:20,360 --> 00:50:21,040
Speaker 2: in recent years.

973
00:50:21,200 --> 00:50:21,399
Speaker 4: Yeah.

974
00:50:21,440 --> 00:50:24,319
Speaker 2: Yeah. You didn't used to see the quarterbacks all go

975
00:50:24,520 --> 00:50:26,880
Speaker 2: get clustered at the top of the first round. Right.

976
00:50:26,880 --> 00:50:28,959
Speaker 2: That was not the case fifteen years ago.

977
00:50:29,080 --> 00:50:31,560
Speaker 3: Now that doesn't mean everyone that's picked between sixteen and

978
00:50:31,600 --> 00:50:33,640
Speaker 3: fifteen in this draft's gonna stink. Forget about them, right,

979
00:50:33,600 --> 00:50:36,080
Speaker 3: I mean, they got no chance, but it is weird

980
00:50:36,160 --> 00:50:40,440
Speaker 3: that basically what the point is. If the league loves.

981
00:50:40,160 --> 00:50:43,560
Speaker 2: Them, they don't last till twenty you know what I mean.

982
00:50:43,880 --> 00:50:46,560
Speaker 3: And if they don't, there's questions in that position so

983
00:50:46,719 --> 00:50:48,160
Speaker 3: hard it's hard to hit.

984
00:50:48,560 --> 00:50:53,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I mean if we were sitting here.

985
00:50:53,280 --> 00:50:58,120
Speaker 3: As a Buffalo podcast radio show, we might be like, Ah,

986
00:50:58,200 --> 00:50:58,920
Speaker 3: this class stanks.

987
00:50:58,960 --> 00:50:59,960
Speaker 2: I don't worry about you know.

988
00:51:00,440 --> 00:51:04,000
Speaker 3: But sometimes you squint this time of year and you're like, well,

989
00:51:04,120 --> 00:51:06,319
Speaker 3: I can see where mill Roe, you know. I mean,

990
00:51:06,680 --> 00:51:08,560
Speaker 3: I worried that I'm doing that with Milroe.

991
00:51:08,719 --> 00:51:10,640
Speaker 2: I think you are to a certain degree probably, I

992
00:51:10,680 --> 00:51:13,520
Speaker 2: mean He's very unrefined as a passion, no question, there's

993
00:51:13,520 --> 00:51:15,600
Speaker 2: no doubt about it. But he has a trump card

994
00:51:16,000 --> 00:51:18,799
Speaker 2: that nobody else in this draft has exactly. He is

995
00:51:19,360 --> 00:51:22,480
Speaker 2: every bit the runner Lamar Jackson is, and he might

996
00:51:22,520 --> 00:51:23,719
Speaker 2: be better in something.

997
00:51:23,520 --> 00:51:26,279
Speaker 3: Might be Yeah, I mean more physical. He doesn't like

998
00:51:26,280 --> 00:51:28,680
Speaker 3: the stop start or maybe the vision. But he's big

999
00:51:28,719 --> 00:51:30,799
Speaker 3: and strong and he made a strong rocket. He's a

1000
00:51:30,880 --> 00:51:33,600
Speaker 3: better runner than Fields was. Right, And again, I've never

1001
00:51:33,680 --> 00:51:36,120
Speaker 3: met the young man. But the thing I like best

1002
00:51:36,160 --> 00:51:39,480
Speaker 3: about him is how they're raving about the intelligence and

1003
00:51:39,520 --> 00:51:42,359
Speaker 3: the character and the academic heisman and all that stuff too,

1004
00:51:42,480 --> 00:51:43,280
Speaker 3: Like any.

1005
00:51:43,120 --> 00:51:45,960
Speaker 2: Of both of his parents were military or in the military, right,

1006
00:51:46,160 --> 00:51:48,560
Speaker 2: Like you know what kind of young man you're getting?

1007
00:51:48,800 --> 00:51:50,680
Speaker 3: Yes, And I always say that, like if you don't

1008
00:51:50,719 --> 00:51:53,320
Speaker 3: have that, that only gets you to the table. Yeah,

1009
00:51:53,360 --> 00:51:55,279
Speaker 3: you know, now you've got to have the traits. Well,

1010
00:51:55,320 --> 00:51:58,719
Speaker 3: he's got traits traits, you know what I mean. And

1011
00:51:58,760 --> 00:52:00,839
Speaker 3: I'm not questioning Sanders or Dard or any of those

1012
00:52:00,840 --> 00:52:04,240
Speaker 3: guys in that regard, but I just know if he hits,

1013
00:52:04,360 --> 00:52:05,799
Speaker 3: he'll hit the biggest of all of them.

1014
00:52:05,960 --> 00:52:08,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the thing. He's got the highest ceiling, No question,

1015
00:52:08,719 --> 00:52:10,360
Speaker 2: So where do you measure that in That's going to

1016
00:52:10,400 --> 00:52:12,080
Speaker 2: be the question. You know, where do you get back

1017
00:52:12,120 --> 00:52:12,359
Speaker 2: to that?

1018
00:52:12,400 --> 00:52:14,279
Speaker 3: And if two years from now you're like, well, he's

1019
00:52:14,280 --> 00:52:17,120
Speaker 3: never going to do it, it doesn't destroy you. Especially

1020
00:52:17,120 --> 00:52:18,520
Speaker 3: if you get him at thirty five.

1021
00:52:18,600 --> 00:52:20,640
Speaker 2: I might make him a wide receiver running.

1022
00:52:20,480 --> 00:52:22,359
Speaker 3: Right right, but he's a kicker, turner or whatever too.

1023
00:52:22,440 --> 00:52:24,480
Speaker 2: He's doing something, there's something. He'll find ways to get

1024
00:52:24,560 --> 00:52:27,040
Speaker 2: him on the field. Anyways, that's going to do for

1025
00:52:27,080 --> 00:52:28,960
Speaker 2: our number one of the drive here on the Steelers

1026
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Speaker 2: Audio Network. We'll be back with more in our number

1027
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