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Speaker 2: I took ten days and I squeezed every damn inch

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Speaker 2: A best meal was Copenhagen, UH new and Dua and

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Speaker 2: Everybody in Copenhagen is from Copenhagen. They do like America.

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Speaker 1: You been to London before, I've been to Spain, I've

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Speaker 2: And I just look at Aaron's prime. It's half of Brady.

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Speaker 1: And I always think that, like listen him and Davante. Sometimes,

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Speaker 2: So and again this isn't bash Aaron. It's just when

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Speaker 1: I will say this about Rogers when it came to Stafford,

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Speaker 1: You know, when he was middling away in Detroit, He's like,

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Speaker 1: got drafted to this franchise that. I mean, they're gonna

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Speaker 1: I will say I think Rogers kind of morphed a

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Speaker 1: Tom for a long period of time just kind of

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Speaker 2: You know?

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Speaker 1: What are we talking about? And let's face it, his

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Speaker 2: them is the right thing to do. So you know

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Speaker 2: degree cool rush deodorant, right, Well, last year they changed

431
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Speaker 2: the formula and it did not go over well with

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Speaker 2: their fans. So degrees whole thing is it turns up

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Speaker 2: the sweat and odor protection when you turn up the effort,

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Speaker 2: and good thing it does. Because cool Rush fans really

435
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Speaker 2: turned up the effort to bring the original formula back.

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Speaker 2: One guy even started an online petition and Degree listened.

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Speaker 2: They admitted they fed up. They're bringing back the original

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Speaker 2: cool Rush scent. They're bringing it back and it's exactly

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Speaker 2: how you remember it, cool, crisp and fresh. It's back

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Speaker 2: in Walmart, Target and other stores now for under four dollars.

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Speaker 2: There's a reason that's been the number one men's anti

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Speaker 2: perspirant for the last decade. It's the same reason why

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Speaker 2: people were not happy when it changed. So if you've

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Speaker 2: never tried it, it might be a good time to

445
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Speaker 2: see what the fuss is about. Head to your local

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Speaker 2: Walmart Target and try the og degree cool Rush for yourself. Okay,

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Speaker 2: so I want to throw this out. The JJ McCarthy

448
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Speaker 2: stuff's kind of fascinating to me because he was the

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Speaker 2: one guy in this quarterback class two years ago.

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Speaker 1: I didn't like.

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Speaker 2: I just didn't see it. I thought he was a

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Speaker 2: bit small. I thought he was athletic enough. I'm as

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Speaker 2: very very cautious when people says a winner, what the

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Speaker 2: f does that mean, doesn't mean anything. Danny Wirfel was

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Speaker 2: a winner. Every Florida coach, every Florida quarterback, he vo, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: under Spurrier was a winner. Johnny Manziel was a winner.

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Speaker 2: It doesn't mean anything. I always believe that if you

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Speaker 2: look at most NFL quarterbacks, they had, even Brock Purdy,

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Speaker 2: who I don't love. They had to carry their college offense,

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Speaker 2: Big Ben, Aaron Rodgers, Philip Rivers, Eli Manning. You know

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Speaker 2: they're not playing with five star guys. That's why Ohio State,

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Speaker 2: you think, would have ten great NFL quarterbacks. C J.

463
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Speaker 2: Strouds their first really good one. USC's had very few

464
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Speaker 2: great NFL quarterbacks. Alabama hasn't, LSU hasn't. Burrow obviously is

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Speaker 2: but he was a transfer. But JJ McCarthy his last

466
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Speaker 2: two years he threw them ball over thirty times one time,

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Speaker 2: he never trailed. He had a great run game. And

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Speaker 2: so I look at him, and Ross Tucker came out

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Speaker 2: with a story, and I think Ross is a very

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Speaker 2: credible guy. I don't know him, but very credible guy.

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Speaker 2: He said, listen, there's concerns they wanted to resign Donald

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Speaker 2: and I heard the same thing. But because of my

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Speaker 2: relationship with Darnald. I wondered if people were telling me

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Speaker 2: that my source was telling me that because they knew

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Speaker 2: I loved Donald, but they had said they actually they

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Speaker 2: actually want Sam and I couldn't believe it. I'm like, no,

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Speaker 2: you got you drafted JJ McCarthy. He has to play.

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Speaker 2: If Ross Tucker says there's concerns, I believe that, do you?

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Speaker 1: Yeah? I mean I think that going back to that

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Speaker 1: Detroit game when he was really skinny on the sideline,

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Speaker 1: you know, at the end of the season, after meeting

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Speaker 1: multiple injuries. And I also think it gets back to

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Speaker 1: the way in which he played. Was not a guy

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Speaker 1: that had to carry his offense in college. He handed

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Speaker 1: the ball off and they played defense. And they had

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Speaker 1: thirty NFL guys over a two year span, right, I mean,

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Speaker 1: look at Stetson. Bennett was on a team that you know,

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Speaker 1: any decent quarterback could have navigated. And I think the

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Speaker 1: concerning part is you have to massage this if you're

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Speaker 1: the team. So it's like, Okay, Darnold gets fifty five

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Speaker 1: plus million guaranteed from Seattle, It's like, you can't. They

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Speaker 1: were like, we're not going to give him that I

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Speaker 1: think they wanted to keep Daniel Jones. Remember they made

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Speaker 1: a big deal to bring him in on the practice

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Speaker 1: squad last year. But then Chris Ballard starts sniffing around, Hey,

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Speaker 1: we'll give you fourteen fifteen million dollars. So then they're thinking, well,

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Speaker 1: how would this look if we match that or even

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Speaker 1: give him a little bit more shows It tells everyone

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Speaker 1: we don't believe, So they were kind of in a

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Speaker 1: weird spot. I think they would have loved, you know,

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Speaker 1: Daniel Jones. Market's only eight to ten, easier to justify

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Speaker 1: once you start getting once they gave Daniel Jones that money, Like,

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Speaker 1: I don't know, like where you stand on this. I

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Speaker 1: think Daniel Jones is gonna be the start of Week one.

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Speaker 1: And that was before the kid heard his inj hit

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Speaker 1: his shoulder.

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Speaker 2: He was going to be Anthony Richardson.

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Speaker 1: I he's going to be the start.

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Speaker 2: I had an NFL GM Tolby he had never last year.

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Speaker 2: I texted him about Anthony Richardson. He goes, I've never

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Speaker 2: seen an NFL quarterback that bad on accuracy, on shit

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Speaker 2: out in the flat. I those were the exact words.

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Speaker 2: He goes. The layup stuff is brutal. He is badly

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Speaker 2: missing layups and so I thought Daniel Jones would beat

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Speaker 2: him out in camp.

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Speaker 1: Well, to me, what it is is a couple of

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Speaker 1: years ago, Trey Lance. It was over the moment they

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Speaker 1: signed Sam Darnold as the two, and then Trey Lance

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Speaker 1: wasn't even on the team. Might be harder to trade

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Speaker 1: Anthony Richson because of the injury, But I think this

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Speaker 1: team's in a weird spot. They're all in on this roster.

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Speaker 1: It's excellent, and they loaded up because they had JJ

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Speaker 1: McCarthy's rookie contract. They bought a bunch of guys in

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Speaker 1: free agency. So their team, if you told me they

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Speaker 1: just had Dak Prescott was their quarterback, I'd be like, well,

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Speaker 1: if he just doesn't turn it over in the postseason,

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Speaker 1: this team's going to be tough. You know, you put

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Speaker 1: Brock Berdie on there Super Bowl favorites, right, But this

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Speaker 1: guy's never started an NFL game and even the going

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Speaker 1: back to remember Harbaugh was suspended and the and Sharon

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Speaker 1: Moore didn't even passed the ball in the second half

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Speaker 1: against Penn State. It was a special team that he

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Speaker 1: got to, you know, orchestrate and run as a quarterback.

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Speaker 1: He was not asked like most of these quarterbacks in

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty five. So I'm very concerned because a lot

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Speaker 1: of times also young quarterback like Kleb got drafted number

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Speaker 1: one overall it went shitty, But ultimately it's like, Okay,

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Speaker 1: you know, the Bears hadn't made the playoffs. The expectations

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Speaker 1: for this team. They just won fourteen games. If they

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Speaker 1: won like nine games and missed the playoffs, it would

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Speaker 1: be catastrophic. It'd be a there's a lot of pressure

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Speaker 1: on a guy. I don't remember the last time a

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Speaker 1: guy that was drafted this high was like expected anything

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Speaker 1: less than the NFC Championship game. It gets to the

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Speaker 1: Trey Lance and Anthony Richardson. Obviously, Trey was on a

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Speaker 1: team that was expected to compete for the Super Bowl.

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Speaker 1: So it's different than just going to a team typically

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Speaker 1: drafting in the top five. The cult same thing, like,

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Speaker 1: you draft this guy in the top five, he's expected

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Speaker 1: to be a playoff level quarterback. That's different than just

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Speaker 1: going to some crappy team like ultimately Jayden Daniels, who

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Speaker 1: was incredible. The pressure on them to start the wasn't

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Speaker 1: that high, right, if they would have won six to

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Speaker 1: seven games. He exceeded everything. Same thing with CJ. Stroud

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Speaker 1: a couple of years ago, but they got to kind

556
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Speaker 1: of sneak up on everywhere. There's those sneaking up. Minnesota

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Speaker 1: is I would say, one of the marquee teams in

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Speaker 1: the league coming into the year. It's a tough spot

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Speaker 1: for a young player. That's like, what if Week two

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Speaker 1: were down ten and we're gonna need you to throw

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Speaker 1: at forty five times and then all of a sudden,

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Speaker 1: justin Jefferson's I get in the ball. We know how

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Speaker 1: those wide receivers are. I wouldn't blame them. I'd be like,

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Speaker 1: what's going on here? Yeah?

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Speaker 2: No, I think it's a real thing. And I and again,

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Speaker 2: I was a big Jayden Daniels, Caleb Williams, Drake may

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Speaker 2: bow Nicks. I think Pennix is a bigger tu the

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Speaker 2: one that never worked for me with JJ McCarthy. It's

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Speaker 2: also interesting is what if Sam Darnold pops. What if

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Speaker 2: Sam And my guess is Sam won't be as good

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Speaker 2: as he was in Minnesota. He didn't have you know,

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Speaker 2: he didn't have DK Metcalf and the receiving group won't

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Speaker 2: be as good as Minnesota, and you're not gonna have

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Speaker 2: Kevin O'Connell, so Sam's numbers are not going to be

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Speaker 2: the same. But I actually think Seattle's roster's okay, probably

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Speaker 2: a weaker division. What do you expect? I mean, I

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Speaker 2: think Donald will have a B season. He had an

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Speaker 2: A season with an ugly ending, bad final chapter, but

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Speaker 2: that was an A season. I mean week fifteen, we

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Speaker 2: were talking MVP. I don't think we're talking that. I

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Speaker 2: think he's going to be a better, more athletic, younger

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Speaker 2: version of Geno Smith.

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Speaker 1: What do you think, well, Kubiak, remember early on in

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Speaker 1: the season last year, before injuries really came up, the

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Speaker 1: Saints looked awesome on offense. So it's like that offense works,

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Speaker 1: it's easy for quarterbacks. And Sam's already done it two

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Speaker 1: years ago when Kubiak, who's the offensive coordinator now in Seattle,

588
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Speaker 1: was the quarterback coach offensive coordinator with Kyle and San Francisco.

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Speaker 1: Their defense A little teaser here. I think we're going

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Speaker 1: to play it next week. I had John Schneider on

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Speaker 1: the podcast today we recorded a podcast and I was

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Speaker 1: looking at their roster. They actually have a lot of young,

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Speaker 1: impactful guys on defense. They've drafted pretty well on defense

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Speaker 1: the last couple of years. And Mike McDonald if he

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Speaker 1: coached offense instead of defense, I think we would be

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Speaker 1: talking about him like a Kyle Like they went ten

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Speaker 1: and seven last year. It's not like they won four

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Speaker 1: or five games, so why couldn't they go ten and

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Speaker 1: seven again? And he's just on a capable They're just

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Speaker 1: a well run franchise, right Schneider brings that Green Bay

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Speaker 1: McDonald from Baltimore, the Ravens, obviously, the Pete Carroll influence.

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Speaker 1: They're just a well run, stable operation. They're not gonna suck.

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Speaker 1: You know, he's not gonna look completely overwhelmed obviously in

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Speaker 1: the biggest moments. It was a little concerning last year.

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Speaker 1: But they're not trying to probably try to win fourteen fifteen.

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Speaker 1: I mean, ideally they would love to, but they're gonna

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Speaker 1: be I'd be stunned if they're not over five hundred.

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Speaker 1: And it's not gonna go poorly. And there's no way

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Speaker 1: what he just did last year in Minnesota, it's i

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Speaker 1: JJ can't that. I mean through thirty five touchdowns. So

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Speaker 1: my question is Kenny throw like twenty four to twenty five,

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Speaker 1: not turn the ball over, and they just have a

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Speaker 1: really well rounded team, like kind of like a Jimmy

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Speaker 1: Garoppolo San Francisco situation of like twenty nineteen, twenty twenty one.

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Speaker 1: That to me is the best case scenario. But that's

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Speaker 1: that's not easy to do, right. I Mean, you're in

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Speaker 1: a division that's really good. Their schedule this year at

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Speaker 1: the NFC North, who they're playing is really hard for

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Speaker 1: all four teams. Obviously, the divisional games are going to

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Speaker 1: be knocked down dragouts. I mean, one thing they really

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Speaker 1: did early on with Sam is remember they were blowing

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Speaker 1: people out early, like the Texans, the Niers. They were

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Speaker 1: killing people, so they just they got to kind of

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Speaker 1: got off and running. They were like five and one

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Speaker 1: just kicking everyone's ass. It's a different level appresionly. The

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Speaker 1: other thing is the health wise. I mean, this is

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Speaker 1: a guy that got injured in training camp and then

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Speaker 1: need another surgery. That's can he take NFL hits? What's

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Speaker 1: he gonna feel like on a weekend week out? Basis?

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Speaker 1: Can he is he going to be available for seventeen games?

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Speaker 1: I think there are just a lot of question marks

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Speaker 1: when it comes to just I think he's one of

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Speaker 1: the bigger stories in the NFL. Just what is this guy?

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Speaker 1: Is he any good? Is he good enough? Is? I

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Speaker 1: mean how good is he said?

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Speaker 2: Today? The two stories in the NFL at quarterback that

637
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Speaker 2: are fascinating are what is jj McCarthy and who will

638
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Speaker 2: win the Browns starting job? Because so tomorrow or the

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00:31:06,880 --> 00:31:10,400
Speaker 2: time this airs, it's mandatory mini camp. This is not

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Speaker 2: voluntary ota, so veterans can show up. And my argument

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Speaker 2: is this owner Jimmy Haslam signed Johnny drafted Johnny Manzellen

642
00:31:19,800 --> 00:31:22,800
Speaker 2: Baker Mayfield, and signed to Sean Watson to an egregiously

643
00:31:22,840 --> 00:31:25,600
Speaker 2: bad contract. He's desperate for a star at quarterback. He

644
00:31:25,640 --> 00:31:29,920
Speaker 2: wants a star at quarterback. Well, Kenny Pickett's got no juice,

645
00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:34,400
Speaker 2: Dyllan Gabriel's five to eight, Joe Flacco's old shador is

646
00:31:34,440 --> 00:31:37,040
Speaker 2: the only potential star. And if you look at the

647
00:31:37,080 --> 00:31:40,680
Speaker 2: first five weeks, it's five top ten offenses, then Aaron

648
00:31:40,760 --> 00:31:44,360
Speaker 2: Rodgers and Pittsburgh, and it's a lot of dynamic offenses

649
00:31:44,360 --> 00:31:47,960
Speaker 2: and dynamic quarterbacks Joe Burrell and Lamar Jackson and again

650
00:31:48,720 --> 00:31:51,719
Speaker 2: two and Mike McDaniel. There's a lot of powerful offenses.

651
00:31:52,280 --> 00:31:55,080
Speaker 2: If they're dull in the first six weeks because they

652
00:31:55,080 --> 00:31:57,120
Speaker 2: don't have a very good roster. They're probably a four

653
00:31:57,120 --> 00:32:00,120
Speaker 2: to six win team. My take is Jimmy Haslm's going

654
00:32:00,160 --> 00:32:03,240
Speaker 2: to make a call and say it, I want Shadoor Sanders.

655
00:32:03,400 --> 00:32:06,880
Speaker 2: History tells me this owner we sa we've seen this.

656
00:32:07,680 --> 00:32:10,720
Speaker 2: We saw Jim the late great Jim Mersey get pissed

657
00:32:10,760 --> 00:32:12,920
Speaker 2: off because Carson Wentz had a bad game in Jacksonville

658
00:32:13,080 --> 00:32:14,800
Speaker 2: and they shipped him out of town after a twenty

659
00:32:14,840 --> 00:32:17,520
Speaker 2: seven and seven season, a twenty seven touchdown, seven pix season,

660
00:32:17,720 --> 00:32:20,760
Speaker 2: Carson Wentz that was his last good year. I think

661
00:32:21,000 --> 00:32:25,240
Speaker 2: Shadeure the star power will matter in ninety percent of markets.

662
00:32:25,280 --> 00:32:29,719
Speaker 2: It doesn't Cleveland at quarterback it does. So my guess

663
00:32:29,800 --> 00:32:34,480
Speaker 2: is there's a lot of dull, small old Shadour by

664
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Speaker 2: week eight is starting. Do you think I'm out of

665
00:32:36,680 --> 00:32:37,080
Speaker 2: my mind?

666
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Speaker 1: Uh, well, you're on board, flat, I know you've been

667
00:32:41,200 --> 00:32:43,120
Speaker 1: making you know, tongue in cheek. Flacco is going to

668
00:32:43,160 --> 00:32:46,040
Speaker 1: start week one right are you? You were there? Okay,

669
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Speaker 1: if it gets to a point, the team's not going

670
00:32:48,680 --> 00:32:51,320
Speaker 1: to be very good. Uh you know, the defense can

671
00:32:51,360 --> 00:32:53,360
Speaker 1: only carry us so long in the NFL. It's an

672
00:32:53,400 --> 00:32:57,160
Speaker 1: offensive league now with the rules. If they force him

673
00:32:57,320 --> 00:33:00,080
Speaker 1: to start Shadoor Sanders and the coach doesn't want to

674
00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:02,320
Speaker 1: play him, I do think Kevin Stefanski by the end

675
00:33:02,360 --> 00:33:04,720
Speaker 1: of the year will just quit. It'll be one of

676
00:33:04,760 --> 00:33:08,480
Speaker 1: those situations where Stefanski and Barry, who are very highly

677
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Speaker 1: thought of. And I was actually in the car today,

678
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Speaker 1: I was listening to show when you gave me a

679
00:33:13,840 --> 00:33:16,720
Speaker 1: little shoutout talking about how it was clear during the

680
00:33:16,800 --> 00:33:20,320
Speaker 1: draft right they draft, they overdrafted Gabriel to keep the

681
00:33:20,360 --> 00:33:22,880
Speaker 1: owner off their back, and then the kid kept falling any.

682
00:33:23,000 --> 00:33:26,000
Speaker 2: Came raft that. I think it's true because I asked

683
00:33:26,040 --> 00:33:28,360
Speaker 2: GMS about Dylan Gabriel and they're like, he's not a

684
00:33:28,360 --> 00:33:29,400
Speaker 2: third round draft pick.

685
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Speaker 1: I thought I knew people that thought the guy was

686
00:33:32,760 --> 00:33:36,200
Speaker 1: undrafted because of the time, not that he's not. I

687
00:33:36,200 --> 00:33:39,040
Speaker 1: mean he's an excellent college player and I mean very productive.

688
00:33:39,120 --> 00:33:42,320
Speaker 1: But going in the third round I think was a

689
00:33:42,760 --> 00:33:45,320
Speaker 1: jarring move for a lot of teams. Wow, and I

690
00:33:45,400 --> 00:33:47,600
Speaker 1: truly believe they did it. And if the visuals of

691
00:33:47,640 --> 00:33:50,760
Speaker 1: the of the owner hovering over them, Buddy was there

692
00:33:50,760 --> 00:33:54,239
Speaker 1: in the fifth round, I do think it's you have

693
00:33:54,320 --> 00:33:56,520
Speaker 1: to make plays in practice. I mean they do have

694
00:33:56,600 --> 00:33:58,800
Speaker 1: some start, you know, the Miles Garretts and these guys

695
00:33:59,160 --> 00:34:01,080
Speaker 1: that are playing every week in the NFL. It's not

696
00:34:01,120 --> 00:34:03,400
Speaker 1: like some of these other sports in baseball or basketball,

697
00:34:03,520 --> 00:34:05,360
Speaker 1: where you kind of go through the motions even if

698
00:34:05,400 --> 00:34:08,040
Speaker 1: your team is out of it. You still like practice

699
00:34:08,080 --> 00:34:10,480
Speaker 1: is hard. The games are hard. So if you make

700
00:34:10,480 --> 00:34:13,040
Speaker 1: a guy the starter, he'd better be showing something, especially

701
00:34:13,040 --> 00:34:15,040
Speaker 1: if he's running the scout team. I remember when Perty

702
00:34:15,080 --> 00:34:18,439
Speaker 1: became the starter when Jimmy Garoppolo and Trey Lance went down.

703
00:34:18,520 --> 00:34:20,560
Speaker 1: It was easy to justify to the team because the

704
00:34:20,560 --> 00:34:22,560
Speaker 1: Fred Warners and the boss were like, we love this

705
00:34:22,600 --> 00:34:25,080
Speaker 1: guy in practice. We've been seeing him. Goes back to

706
00:34:25,120 --> 00:34:26,840
Speaker 1: the Rogers and some of these guys that run the

707
00:34:26,840 --> 00:34:30,640
Speaker 1: scout team, they earn street cred with the team. And

708
00:34:30,800 --> 00:34:32,680
Speaker 1: I do think you throw a guy like that in

709
00:34:33,120 --> 00:34:35,239
Speaker 1: the coach and the GM wouldn't just be behind the

710
00:34:35,239 --> 00:34:37,879
Speaker 1: scenes like what are we doing? The team could quit

711
00:34:37,960 --> 00:34:40,920
Speaker 1: on you, but the owner has proven that he doesn't

712
00:34:41,120 --> 00:34:43,080
Speaker 1: really care. I get asked a lot like how can

713
00:34:43,160 --> 00:34:47,160
Speaker 1: these owners be so successful in whatever line of work

714
00:34:47,200 --> 00:34:50,960
Speaker 1: they do? And then such bad owners? And I do

715
00:34:51,280 --> 00:34:53,120
Speaker 1: you know the thing with football that's different than just

716
00:34:53,200 --> 00:34:57,000
Speaker 1: running a trucking company or tepper and an investing firm.

717
00:34:57,239 --> 00:34:59,239
Speaker 1: You can just buy your way out of stuff once

718
00:34:59,280 --> 00:35:02,360
Speaker 1: you get so so much capital and resources. In football,

719
00:35:02,400 --> 00:35:05,239
Speaker 1: like everyone the salary cap. Salary cap, you only have

720
00:35:05,400 --> 00:35:08,360
Speaker 1: a limited amount of draft picks, and once you invest

721
00:35:08,400 --> 00:35:11,200
Speaker 1: in a couple guys like they do, get a huge

722
00:35:11,239 --> 00:35:14,520
Speaker 1: piece of your puzzle. Right Like in Flying j if

723
00:35:14,880 --> 00:35:17,360
Speaker 1: you buy the wrong building whatever, ten million are I

724
00:35:17,440 --> 00:35:19,440
Speaker 1: right off off to the next thing in football, like

725
00:35:19,760 --> 00:35:21,880
Speaker 1: some of the like they got rid of Russell Wilson

726
00:35:21,880 --> 00:35:25,279
Speaker 1: in Denver, it really crippled their cap immediately, right, So

727
00:35:25,320 --> 00:35:27,720
Speaker 1: it's you can't just buy your way out of stuff,

728
00:35:27,760 --> 00:35:30,400
Speaker 1: regardless how much cash the owner actually has in it.

729
00:35:30,440 --> 00:35:34,320
Speaker 2: Well, Elon Musk is finding this out with government. Government's

730
00:35:34,360 --> 00:35:36,800
Speaker 2: not a business, right like they're Yeah, I mean the

731
00:35:37,000 --> 00:35:40,200
Speaker 2: bottom line between Medicare and Medicaid and veteran benefits and

732
00:35:40,239 --> 00:35:43,760
Speaker 2: social security and military spending ninety percent of our budget,

733
00:35:44,280 --> 00:35:46,200
Speaker 2: there's not a lot of tweaking. You got about ten

734
00:35:46,239 --> 00:35:48,560
Speaker 2: percent of the budget you can toy with. So Elon

735
00:35:48,680 --> 00:35:50,040
Speaker 2: Musk comes in and says, I'm gonna get rid of

736
00:35:50,080 --> 00:35:52,239
Speaker 2: two trillion, bro, If you can get rid of six

737
00:35:52,360 --> 00:35:56,400
Speaker 2: hundred million, you've done it. With those, You've done a

738
00:35:56,440 --> 00:35:59,520
Speaker 2: remarkable job because so much of it's baked in. It's

739
00:35:59,560 --> 00:36:01,960
Speaker 2: the same way in the NFL. You gotta pay left tackle,

740
00:36:02,160 --> 00:36:05,440
Speaker 2: a quarterback, an edge rusher, at least one legitimate corner,

741
00:36:05,560 --> 00:36:08,799
Speaker 2: two weapons. You have to hit on draft picks like

742
00:36:08,840 --> 00:36:10,600
Speaker 2: if you don't have to know draft picks, if you

743
00:36:10,640 --> 00:36:12,960
Speaker 2: have a bad interior on line, you can't pay for it.

744
00:36:13,000 --> 00:36:15,759
Speaker 2: That's why you know Chicago now is loading up on

745
00:36:16,280 --> 00:36:20,200
Speaker 2: Joe Tooney, Jonah Jackson, Drew Dallman. It's like they can't

746
00:36:20,200 --> 00:36:22,320
Speaker 2: do that in two years or three years with Caleb Williams,

747
00:36:22,400 --> 00:36:26,480
Speaker 2: You're just limited. There's a certain structure of our government

748
00:36:26,520 --> 00:36:30,120
Speaker 2: and a certain structure in the NFL. Rich doesn't solve everything.

749
00:36:31,560 --> 00:36:33,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, and once you when you miss on the quarterback

750
00:36:33,800 --> 00:36:36,680
Speaker 1: as they did, you're just screwed. Right, If I flip

751
00:36:36,680 --> 00:36:39,000
Speaker 1: flop Joe Burrow from the Bengals to the Browns and

752
00:36:39,000 --> 00:36:41,400
Speaker 1: give them Deshaun Watson, the Bengals are a two win

753
00:36:41,480 --> 00:36:43,680
Speaker 1: team and the Browns are in the playoffs all year. Right,

754
00:36:44,080 --> 00:36:46,680
Speaker 1: It can just be that simple. And I think a

755
00:36:46,719 --> 00:36:50,080
Speaker 1: guy like Jimmy Haslam clearly hasn't learned his lesson because

756
00:36:50,080 --> 00:36:52,440
Speaker 1: everyone thinks that he forced the door Sanders on them.

757
00:36:52,600 --> 00:36:55,960
Speaker 1: Even I saw some visuals of David Tepper. These owners

758
00:36:56,080 --> 00:36:59,359
Speaker 1: are just it's like their pet project and they're sitting

759
00:36:59,400 --> 00:37:02,120
Speaker 1: there in the draft that they can't help themselves. And

760
00:37:02,160 --> 00:37:05,080
Speaker 1: it's why the best owners, honestly, they just you picked

761
00:37:05,120 --> 00:37:06,799
Speaker 1: the player. I know nothing about football. I just want

762
00:37:06,840 --> 00:37:10,319
Speaker 1: to enjoy it, make the money. I'm empowering you. And

763
00:37:10,360 --> 00:37:12,880
Speaker 1: that's the thing with the Browns, Like their GM is

764
00:37:13,480 --> 00:37:16,160
Speaker 1: highly thought of around the league. I think most people

765
00:37:16,239 --> 00:37:20,160
Speaker 1: think Kevin Stevanski really sharp, impressive offensive mind. It's hard

766
00:37:20,200 --> 00:37:22,359
Speaker 1: to operate with an owner hovering over you and making

767
00:37:22,400 --> 00:37:24,320
Speaker 1: you do things. I also think it's a weird spot

768
00:37:24,360 --> 00:37:27,920
Speaker 1: for Shador, like his skill set doesn't have a huge arm.

769
00:37:27,960 --> 00:37:29,719
Speaker 1: I think there are a couple of divisions when you

770
00:37:29,800 --> 00:37:32,640
Speaker 1: have like look at most quarterbacks that thrive in the

771
00:37:32,760 --> 00:37:36,080
Speaker 1: NFC and AFC East and the AFC North. It gets

772
00:37:36,120 --> 00:37:40,880
Speaker 1: freezing cold. The win pumps Chicago like Caleb Williams, Jay Cutler.

773
00:37:40,920 --> 00:37:43,040
Speaker 1: You're not gonna have a weak Andy Dalton's not gonna

774
00:37:43,040 --> 00:37:45,640
Speaker 1: have success there go back to New York Eli Manning,

775
00:37:45,800 --> 00:37:49,440
Speaker 1: big arm. You know, Tom Brady, it's cold, it's hard,

776
00:37:49,600 --> 00:37:50,440
Speaker 1: like that's.

777
00:37:50,239 --> 00:37:50,960
Speaker 2: Not to me.

778
00:37:51,360 --> 00:37:53,000
Speaker 1: If he would have gone to a Dome team, I

779
00:37:53,080 --> 00:37:54,800
Speaker 1: think it would have been better. I do think it

780
00:37:54,840 --> 00:37:58,000
Speaker 1: could be difficult playing in those environments. But I'm with you.

781
00:37:58,040 --> 00:37:59,680
Speaker 1: Like do I like him as a prospect better than

782
00:37:59,760 --> 00:38:02,600
Speaker 1: Dylan Gabriel? Hell yeah, I do think though, when you

783
00:38:02,640 --> 00:38:04,800
Speaker 1: get these dynamics of like, well, the coach in the

784
00:38:04,840 --> 00:38:06,600
Speaker 1: GM want to do this, the owner wants to do this,

785
00:38:07,360 --> 00:38:09,600
Speaker 1: things just get weird in any walk of life, I mean,

786
00:38:09,760 --> 00:38:12,320
Speaker 1: in any profession. And I think that they're already the

787
00:38:12,360 --> 00:38:16,120
Speaker 1: push and pull Dion's timing in. We haven't even started.

788
00:38:16,160 --> 00:38:19,239
Speaker 1: This thing is gonna once Flacco Week three, they're zero

789
00:38:19,239 --> 00:38:22,400
Speaker 1: and three throws, three picks. No one's there's not a

790
00:38:22,440 --> 00:38:24,000
Speaker 1: fan in the world that's going to want to watch

791
00:38:24,040 --> 00:38:26,520
Speaker 1: Joe Flacco take another snap after about September.

792
00:38:27,280 --> 00:38:29,840
Speaker 2: So where do you land on this? I read a

793
00:38:29,880 --> 00:38:32,480
Speaker 2: story in The Athletic about Jordan Hudson. In her life,

794
00:38:32,520 --> 00:38:37,280
Speaker 2: I've never been bothered. She's you know, hot, girls are undefeated.

795
00:38:37,360 --> 00:38:40,520
Speaker 2: She's great looking girl. Jordan Hudson Belichick's an older guy.

796
00:38:40,680 --> 00:38:43,319
Speaker 2: I'm trying to think of it because I'm sixty. I'm

797
00:38:43,320 --> 00:38:46,440
Speaker 2: thinking if I was seventy and either I was divorced

798
00:38:46,520 --> 00:38:49,040
Speaker 2: or single, and I still was a seventy four. No,

799
00:38:49,239 --> 00:38:51,839
Speaker 2: he's up there, but he's still viable in his business. Right,

800
00:38:52,200 --> 00:38:54,279
Speaker 2: I'm not going to be that viable in fifteen or

801
00:38:54,280 --> 00:38:59,360
Speaker 2: fourteen years. And I knew social media mattered, and I

802
00:38:59,360 --> 00:39:02,359
Speaker 2: was attracted to somebody like I get where. She's sort

803
00:39:02,360 --> 00:39:06,080
Speaker 2: of his social stockbroker, his social mus like he knows

804
00:39:06,400 --> 00:39:08,560
Speaker 2: in the NFL he didn't need it, so he kept

805
00:39:08,560 --> 00:39:12,879
Speaker 2: that relationship undercover. In college. He looks at it and thinks, oh,

806
00:39:12,880 --> 00:39:15,920
Speaker 2: it's beneficial. I mean, he has his kids on his staff.

807
00:39:16,120 --> 00:39:19,080
Speaker 2: He's got Lombardi's kid on his staff, like Bill takes

808
00:39:19,120 --> 00:39:22,000
Speaker 2: care of who helps Bill like he he is very

809
00:39:22,040 --> 00:39:24,279
Speaker 2: loyal to certain people. Dante Scarneccia, he would have kept

810
00:39:24,320 --> 00:39:26,720
Speaker 2: him until the last day of his you know, another

811
00:39:26,840 --> 00:39:30,200
Speaker 2: eight years. Dante's Scarneki is like, I'm done. So my

812
00:39:30,320 --> 00:39:33,480
Speaker 2: take is the Jordan thing is they're both using each other.

813
00:39:34,000 --> 00:39:39,640
Speaker 2: She's ascending with some money and some real estate and profile.

814
00:39:40,239 --> 00:39:42,400
Speaker 2: He has a social muse, and I'm sure there's a

815
00:39:43,120 --> 00:39:46,120
Speaker 2: you know there's something physically in it for Bill. I'm

816
00:39:46,160 --> 00:39:49,040
Speaker 2: not bothered by it. I mean, I'm just not bothered

817
00:39:49,040 --> 00:39:53,400
Speaker 2: by it. So let's start with that. Just as a guy,

818
00:39:53,560 --> 00:39:56,759
Speaker 2: a recently married guy, has your wife talked about it?

819
00:39:57,400 --> 00:40:00,160
Speaker 2: I think women are uncomfortable. I'm just not. I just

820
00:40:00,280 --> 00:40:01,600
Speaker 2: I get what it is.

821
00:40:03,600 --> 00:40:06,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think her and her friends make fun of

822
00:40:07,000 --> 00:40:10,200
Speaker 1: her more than him, you know, I mean, she's much

823
00:40:10,200 --> 00:40:14,120
Speaker 1: closer to their age than they are to him. I

824
00:40:14,160 --> 00:40:17,719
Speaker 1: saw the article today on the breakdown in the background

825
00:40:17,800 --> 00:40:20,040
Speaker 1: of Jordan Hudson. I refuse to click. I'm like, I

826
00:40:20,120 --> 00:40:23,720
Speaker 1: do not care. I do not I saw a clip

827
00:40:23,800 --> 00:40:26,040
Speaker 1: about how the way she grew up, didn't you grow

828
00:40:26,080 --> 00:40:28,520
Speaker 1: up in Maine or Rhode Island or somewhere, and like

829
00:40:28,800 --> 00:40:32,520
Speaker 1: her interactions with relationships, taking advantage like this is like

830
00:40:32,560 --> 00:40:35,120
Speaker 1: an in depth profile and like a draft prospect. What

831
00:40:35,280 --> 00:40:37,520
Speaker 1: are we talking about? You used to have the thing

832
00:40:38,080 --> 00:40:41,000
Speaker 1: undefeated with men or the two things the downfall our

833
00:40:41,040 --> 00:40:43,279
Speaker 1: money and women. And he's not the first and he

834
00:40:43,320 --> 00:40:46,000
Speaker 1: definitely won't be the last. A rich guy dating some

835
00:40:46,160 --> 00:40:49,040
Speaker 1: young girl. I do think it becomes a lot more.

836
00:40:49,239 --> 00:40:51,239
Speaker 1: And he's also when it comes to coaches like in

837
00:40:51,280 --> 00:40:56,000
Speaker 1: college and the pros that are have side girlfriends that

838
00:40:56,560 --> 00:41:00,480
Speaker 1: have are divorced and dating women way younger than them.

839
00:41:00,560 --> 00:41:03,759
Speaker 1: Like it doesn't. I don't, I truly do not care.

840
00:41:04,160 --> 00:41:07,520
Speaker 1: But from a you I mean, look at he used

841
00:41:07,520 --> 00:41:09,719
Speaker 1: to work for Robert Craft whose wife died and he

842
00:41:09,760 --> 00:41:12,560
Speaker 1: was immediately with someone in her twenties and they had

843
00:41:12,560 --> 00:41:15,400
Speaker 1: a baby like that, So it's like, you know, obviously

844
00:41:15,480 --> 00:41:18,920
Speaker 1: NFL owners who are older aren't all just happily married

845
00:41:18,960 --> 00:41:21,959
Speaker 1: to other women that are their age, especially where Bill

846
00:41:22,000 --> 00:41:25,640
Speaker 1: came from. But I do think the college element to

847
00:41:25,840 --> 00:41:29,200
Speaker 1: North Carolina, which is I would say, blends like a

848
00:41:29,800 --> 00:41:32,520
Speaker 1: do you think a comparison to like a UCLA they

849
00:41:32,560 --> 00:41:36,279
Speaker 1: are a better athletic UCLA of academics and athletics. Yeah,

850
00:41:36,320 --> 00:41:39,960
Speaker 1: it's this isn't Ole miss right, this isn't Mississippi State,

851
00:41:40,080 --> 00:41:43,240
Speaker 1: this isn't Arizona State. This is this is a pretty

852
00:41:43,280 --> 00:41:47,279
Speaker 1: serious institution operation. I can imagine they've been a little

853
00:41:47,360 --> 00:41:49,319
Speaker 1: uncomfortable with that. But at the end of the day,

854
00:41:49,440 --> 00:41:51,520
Speaker 1: when the season comes and if he's ten and two

855
00:41:51,680 --> 00:41:54,920
Speaker 1: and they're good, no one's gonna care. And I think

856
00:41:54,920 --> 00:41:59,040
Speaker 1: this got away from a little bit. I don't know

857
00:41:59,040 --> 00:42:02,080
Speaker 1: maybe I'm out of time. I'm not that interested anymore.

858
00:42:02,400 --> 00:42:05,160
Speaker 1: At first interested the CBS interview, it was all a

859
00:42:05,160 --> 00:42:09,880
Speaker 1: little bizarre. I'm not pressing click on any Jordan Hudson breakdowns.

860
00:42:09,960 --> 00:42:12,800
Speaker 1: I truly do not care. I mean, I just know

861
00:42:12,960 --> 00:42:13,680
Speaker 1: I'm okay with that.

862
00:42:14,520 --> 00:42:16,719
Speaker 2: I had to throw it out there at the end

863
00:42:16,760 --> 00:42:18,480
Speaker 2: of the season. There's only one team that can call

864
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Speaker 2: themselves NBA champs, only one player that can call themselves

865
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Speaker 2: the number one pick in the NFL draft. Well, there's

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Speaker 2: only one electric suv worthy of the title, The Ultimate,

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Speaker 2: The greatest legends of sports never compromise any part of

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Speaker 2: Everything you love about the ultimate driving machine electrified BMW

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Speaker 2: so I thought of you this weekend because the Live Tour,

878
00:43:14,920 --> 00:43:19,640
Speaker 2: the Live Golf Tour, so just full disclosure. When the

879
00:43:19,719 --> 00:43:22,000
Speaker 2: Live Golf Tour, there's a there's an event coming up

880
00:43:22,040 --> 00:43:24,680
Speaker 2: here in Chicago, not far from where I live, so

881
00:43:25,200 --> 00:43:29,680
Speaker 2: and there's big names on this Live Tour. Like I.

882
00:43:29,920 --> 00:43:32,759
Speaker 2: Initially my take on Live Tour was why am I

883
00:43:32,840 --> 00:43:35,880
Speaker 2: loyal to the PGA. They don't run the Masters, they

884
00:43:35,920 --> 00:43:41,360
Speaker 2: don't run the British Opened. There's the PGA, the USGAU,

885
00:43:41,600 --> 00:43:46,000
Speaker 2: there's Augusta. They run a lot of second tier tournaments.

886
00:43:46,640 --> 00:43:52,080
Speaker 2: And my take is I'm loyal to the NFL because

887
00:43:52,120 --> 00:43:56,839
Speaker 2: the NFL encompasses all teams, all owners. It is the

888
00:43:56,880 --> 00:43:59,239
Speaker 2: foundational piece of the league, same with the NBA or

889
00:43:59,280 --> 00:44:02,880
Speaker 2: Major League Baseball. The PGA essentially was a charity to

890
00:44:02,880 --> 00:44:06,719
Speaker 2: get a tax break, and I was more loyal to

891
00:44:06,760 --> 00:44:10,320
Speaker 2: Augusta and the US Open at Pebble Beach, Tiger Woods,

892
00:44:10,440 --> 00:44:13,400
Speaker 2: Phil Brooks, Kepka. I was always loyal to the golfer,

893
00:44:14,600 --> 00:44:17,680
Speaker 2: not the golf course of the PGA. Now Augusta is different.

894
00:44:17,719 --> 00:44:20,319
Speaker 2: I'm loyal to Augusta, and I'm also loyal to every

895
00:44:20,440 --> 00:44:24,880
Speaker 2: US Open at Pebble Beach outside of that, I'm not

896
00:44:24,960 --> 00:44:27,359
Speaker 2: loyal to courses and I'm not loyal I was never

897
00:44:27,400 --> 00:44:30,760
Speaker 2: loyal to anything. So when Live Golf entered the Fray,

898
00:44:30,840 --> 00:44:35,360
Speaker 2: my take was, well, if they have the more interesting golfers,

899
00:44:35,800 --> 00:44:39,279
Speaker 2: I'll watch those golfers. And that's what's happened with me,

900
00:44:39,920 --> 00:44:43,440
Speaker 2: is that I've seen multiple PGA events where I don't

901
00:44:43,440 --> 00:44:46,359
Speaker 2: think they have a good enough field. And so, as

902
00:44:46,400 --> 00:44:49,400
Speaker 2: you watched this weekend, Phil Micholson obviously had the shot

903
00:44:49,440 --> 00:44:52,880
Speaker 2: of the weekend, but as you watched it this weekend,

904
00:44:52,880 --> 00:44:56,000
Speaker 2: what was your takeaway about the quality in the field

905
00:44:56,200 --> 00:44:57,160
Speaker 2: of the Live Tour.

906
00:44:58,640 --> 00:45:00,520
Speaker 1: Well, I think, I mean, they have two of the

907
00:45:00,560 --> 00:45:02,920
Speaker 1: best four or five players in the world. And you know,

908
00:45:02,920 --> 00:45:07,759
Speaker 1: I would say Bryson has transcended through just sport to

909
00:45:07,880 --> 00:45:11,920
Speaker 1: now culturally, I mean YouTube. He's a gigantic star on

910
00:45:11,960 --> 00:45:17,319
Speaker 1: YouTube as well. He's just a unique personality and he

911
00:45:17,480 --> 00:45:20,920
Speaker 1: is an absolute ass kicker. I mean he's now. Rory

912
00:45:20,960 --> 00:45:23,600
Speaker 1: did not play well last week in Canada. Bryson is

913
00:45:23,640 --> 00:45:26,440
Speaker 1: currently the second favorite, right behind At Scotty at eight

914
00:45:26,480 --> 00:45:28,360
Speaker 1: to one to win the US Open. He's also the

915
00:45:28,400 --> 00:45:32,000
Speaker 1: defending US Open champion John Ram, who had not played

916
00:45:32,000 --> 00:45:34,400
Speaker 1: well for like a year and a half in the majors,

917
00:45:34,840 --> 00:45:37,400
Speaker 1: showed serious signs of life at the PGA against Scotty.

918
00:45:37,480 --> 00:45:39,560
Speaker 1: I mean for last night ole As it felt like

919
00:45:39,600 --> 00:45:42,000
Speaker 1: John Ram might win this, which would have been his

920
00:45:42,120 --> 00:45:44,080
Speaker 1: third major. So they got two guys in John Rahm

921
00:45:44,120 --> 00:45:47,160
Speaker 1: and Bryson who are when they're on, are as good

922
00:45:47,160 --> 00:45:49,560
Speaker 1: as anyone not named Scotty Scheffer and honestly could go

923
00:45:49,600 --> 00:45:51,839
Speaker 1: toe to toe with Scotty. I would say the thing

924
00:45:51,840 --> 00:45:56,640
Speaker 1: with Phil, you know, they had a reign delay in

925
00:45:57,719 --> 00:46:00,480
Speaker 1: DC and he was one shut off the lead and

926
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Speaker 1: he threw out a tweet like I got a ten

927
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Speaker 1: foot or to type for the lead, and it was like,

928
00:46:04,200 --> 00:46:05,839
Speaker 1: it's fun to that Phil. I mean, he's one of

929
00:46:06,680 --> 00:46:09,239
Speaker 1: you know, I would say Bryson has become kind of

930
00:46:09,239 --> 00:46:12,080
Speaker 1: the modern day Phil. He's just a unique personality that

931
00:46:12,160 --> 00:46:16,719
Speaker 1: transcended now. Phil also had Tiger. I would say there's

932
00:46:16,719 --> 00:46:19,160
Speaker 1: no one as big as Tiger with Bryson. You could

933
00:46:19,239 --> 00:46:22,760
Speaker 1: argue Bryson might even be as big as bigger than Scotty.

934
00:46:23,160 --> 00:46:27,879
Speaker 1: But Phil is just a special unique Everyone that falls

935
00:46:27,920 --> 00:46:30,320
Speaker 1: sports knows who Phil Mickelson. And the thing with golf,

936
00:46:31,000 --> 00:46:33,320
Speaker 1: you know, you just never know, the US Open is

937
00:46:33,360 --> 00:46:36,640
Speaker 1: a tournament that Phil has never been able to win. Right,

938
00:46:36,719 --> 00:46:38,960
Speaker 1: Rory just wins the Masters, completes the career Grand Slam.

939
00:46:39,000 --> 00:46:41,080
Speaker 1: All these tennis players, all the top guys, they they

940
00:46:41,120 --> 00:46:45,160
Speaker 1: win all the Grand Slam tournaments. You know, most of

941
00:46:45,200 --> 00:46:47,640
Speaker 1: the top golfers of all time have one all four majors.

942
00:46:47,680 --> 00:46:49,759
Speaker 1: Phil could never win the US Open, even though he's

943
00:46:49,760 --> 00:46:52,160
Speaker 1: finished in the top I think he's finished second like

944
00:46:52,280 --> 00:46:55,600
Speaker 1: six times. It'd be cool just one last time, and

945
00:46:55,600 --> 00:46:58,840
Speaker 1: I think Phil mends his last one this at the Yeah,

946
00:46:58,920 --> 00:47:02,319
Speaker 1: which is you know, kind of sad, but also you know,

947
00:47:02,400 --> 00:47:04,480
Speaker 1: you get to a certain point in golf if you're

948
00:47:04,520 --> 00:47:06,759
Speaker 1: not making the cuts and you get out, you know,

949
00:47:06,840 --> 00:47:07,879
Speaker 1: you don't want to get your ass.

950
00:47:07,880 --> 00:47:09,520
Speaker 2: How do you view if we if you and I

951
00:47:09,640 --> 00:47:15,839
Speaker 2: said greatest golfers of all time, Bobby Jones, Jack Nicholas,

952
00:47:16,000 --> 00:47:20,280
Speaker 2: Tiger Woods, I love Rory and fit Arnold Palmer.

953
00:47:20,480 --> 00:47:21,480
Speaker 1: I put Arnold Palmer.

954
00:47:22,400 --> 00:47:25,399
Speaker 2: There's then there's guys like Tom Kite who finished second

955
00:47:25,440 --> 00:47:28,640
Speaker 2: a million times. Where do you put Michelson?

956
00:47:30,920 --> 00:47:33,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, I would say his comp if we were doing

957
00:47:33,040 --> 00:47:38,360
Speaker 1: like NFL quarterbacks, would probably be Peyton Manning. Uh, he's

958
00:47:38,400 --> 00:47:40,920
Speaker 1: probably one of the most important people that ever played

959
00:47:40,920 --> 00:47:43,120
Speaker 1: the sport. He just happened to be at a time

960
00:47:43,160 --> 00:47:45,000
Speaker 1: when there was a guy named Tyger Woods like Peyton

961
00:47:45,000 --> 00:47:48,440
Speaker 1: had Tom Brady, and I think a lot like Peyton

962
00:47:48,800 --> 00:47:51,759
Speaker 1: financial success. I mean, well before liv came around Phil,

963
00:47:51,840 --> 00:47:54,719
Speaker 1: remember that that stat like for like ten straight years,

964
00:47:54,760 --> 00:47:57,000
Speaker 1: Tiger was the highest paid athlete and Phil was like

965
00:47:57,000 --> 00:47:59,520
Speaker 1: always two or three, right ahead of Kobe or Lebron.

966
00:48:00,040 --> 00:48:04,080
Speaker 1: So I mean Phil financially was crushed it. You know,

967
00:48:04,120 --> 00:48:06,800
Speaker 1: he didn't win till a little bit later, right, I

968
00:48:06,840 --> 00:48:08,479
Speaker 1: think he won the Masters when he was like thirty

969
00:48:08,480 --> 00:48:10,680
Speaker 1: three thirty four years old, and then the floodgates kind

970
00:48:10,680 --> 00:48:13,280
Speaker 1: of opened. He won a bunch of majors. He's definitely

971
00:48:13,280 --> 00:48:15,440
Speaker 1: one of the more entertaining. I mean, it's just a

972
00:48:15,480 --> 00:48:19,520
Speaker 1: fan of golf, one of the more entertaining golfers, very relatable.

973
00:48:19,800 --> 00:48:22,040
Speaker 1: I mean, at any moment, Phil could pump the thing

974
00:48:22,080 --> 00:48:25,520
Speaker 1: out of bounds. I mean some of Phil's greatest moments

975
00:48:26,080 --> 00:48:29,360
Speaker 1: have been like shots over fans and over trees to

976
00:48:29,440 --> 00:48:32,280
Speaker 1: then tap in for birdie. It's not always just splitting

977
00:48:32,360 --> 00:48:34,120
Speaker 1: the middle of the fairway and then knocking it to

978
00:48:34,160 --> 00:48:37,280
Speaker 1: five feet. I think he's I never watched Arnold Palmer,

979
00:48:37,360 --> 00:48:41,040
Speaker 1: but there was an entertainment aspect to Arnold Palmer. I

980
00:48:41,040 --> 00:48:43,800
Speaker 1: think Phil, when it comes to the individual sports, tennis

981
00:48:43,800 --> 00:48:46,960
Speaker 1: and golf, has got to be one of the greatest

982
00:48:47,080 --> 00:48:49,680
Speaker 1: entertainers of all time and per slash personality.

983
00:48:49,680 --> 00:48:51,160
Speaker 2: Do you ever read the book I thought it was

984
00:48:51,200 --> 00:48:55,759
Speaker 2: great by Alan Shipknock titled Phil The rip Roaring Biography

985
00:48:55,760 --> 00:48:58,200
Speaker 2: of Golf's most Colorful Superstar. Did you ever read that?

986
00:48:59,360 --> 00:49:01,120
Speaker 2: I never went god, I think you'd love it. I

987
00:49:01,160 --> 00:49:03,800
Speaker 2: cannot believe I haven't gotten this for you. You should

988
00:49:03,840 --> 00:49:05,120
Speaker 2: go to Amazon or Barnes and.

989
00:49:05,040 --> 00:49:08,040
Speaker 1: Noble all down downloaded.

990
00:49:08,040 --> 00:49:09,160
Speaker 2: Phil read?

991
00:49:09,239 --> 00:49:11,560
Speaker 1: I read? I read the Billy Walters book. I mean

992
00:49:11,800 --> 00:49:14,600
Speaker 1: me and Phil have some commonalities with some more vices.

993
00:49:14,640 --> 00:49:17,160
Speaker 1: You know, we like betting on football. So I mean

994
00:49:17,200 --> 00:49:21,560
Speaker 1: I actually being in Arizona, I've met some guys that

995
00:49:21,680 --> 00:49:24,400
Speaker 1: played with Phil, and I mean they love them. I

996
00:49:24,400 --> 00:49:26,480
Speaker 1: mean some of his college teammates are still really close

997
00:49:26,520 --> 00:49:29,440
Speaker 1: to him, you know, I mean Phil's Phil's are pretty special.

998
00:49:29,520 --> 00:49:32,000
Speaker 1: If this, if we're talking like football or basketball, this

999
00:49:32,080 --> 00:49:34,760
Speaker 1: guy was a blue chip talent at like eighteen nineteen

1000
00:49:34,840 --> 00:49:37,200
Speaker 1: years old. One is an amateur on the PGA tour.

1001
00:49:37,239 --> 00:49:38,520
Speaker 1: I mean he's had one of the great careers.

1002
00:49:38,680 --> 00:49:41,680
Speaker 2: I think he looks at the Alan Shipnook book as

1003
00:49:41,719 --> 00:49:43,200
Speaker 2: a negative. I don't.

1004
00:49:43,760 --> 00:49:44,239
Speaker 1: I found it.

1005
00:49:44,360 --> 00:49:48,799
Speaker 2: Remember when they made Wall Street and Oliver Stone did

1006
00:49:48,840 --> 00:49:52,240
Speaker 2: not want Gordon Gecko to be a hero. He built

1007
00:49:52,280 --> 00:49:56,440
Speaker 2: him for the audacity of Wall Street and the grotesque

1008
00:49:56,520 --> 00:50:00,759
Speaker 2: nature of money is everything. And everybody Young's talked end

1009
00:50:00,840 --> 00:50:03,640
Speaker 2: up idolizing wanted to be like him. And I think

1010
00:50:03,719 --> 00:50:07,080
Speaker 2: Phil looks at the Allen Shipnook book as a negative.

1011
00:50:07,560 --> 00:50:11,920
Speaker 2: I found it made him more relatable. Listen, between food

1012
00:50:12,160 --> 00:50:16,120
Speaker 2: and gambling and just personality. Phil's a lot, you know

1013
00:50:16,160 --> 00:50:18,760
Speaker 2: what he's like. He's like a more talented, more disciplined

1014
00:50:18,800 --> 00:50:22,160
Speaker 2: John Daily that he you know, Daily just could not

1015
00:50:22,239 --> 00:50:26,280
Speaker 2: control himself at all. Phil has moments where he loses.

1016
00:50:26,520 --> 00:50:30,040
Speaker 2: He wasn't terribly disciplined, but he was so effing talented,

1017
00:50:30,480 --> 00:50:32,960
Speaker 2: and he was smart. I mean, Phil's really bright. And

1018
00:50:33,000 --> 00:50:35,600
Speaker 2: I don't think Daily is necessarily Daily just a little

1019
00:50:35,600 --> 00:50:38,440
Speaker 2: bit of a mess, but a wildly relatable and entertaining mess.

1020
00:50:39,000 --> 00:50:41,200
Speaker 2: But when I read the Shipbook book, I recommend it

1021
00:50:41,239 --> 00:50:46,640
Speaker 2: for everybody. I came out of there it was. I

1022
00:50:46,680 --> 00:50:51,759
Speaker 2: thought it made Phil likable, like I wasn't bothered, Like

1023
00:50:51,800 --> 00:50:54,279
Speaker 2: it's not like Phil is trying to tell you I've

1024
00:50:54,280 --> 00:50:59,239
Speaker 2: always had abs. I've never met football. Phil's never tried.

1025
00:50:59,440 --> 00:51:01,200
Speaker 2: In fact, I think he sort of leaned in that

1026
00:51:01,239 --> 00:51:03,480
Speaker 2: he's a little crazy, and I loved it.

1027
00:51:05,080 --> 00:51:06,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I actually think you're right. I mean

1028
00:51:06,960 --> 00:51:09,680
Speaker 1: Phil's qualities and I think part of the reason Michael

1029
00:51:09,760 --> 00:51:12,120
Speaker 1: Jordan's still to this day is so popular. You know,

1030
00:51:12,160 --> 00:51:14,920
Speaker 1: most people can't relate to just winning championship after championship,

1031
00:51:14,920 --> 00:51:17,160
Speaker 1: but you know, Michael likes to drink, Michael X socialized,

1032
00:51:17,200 --> 00:51:19,560
Speaker 1: Michael exe party, he likes to gamble. You know, I

1033
00:51:19,560 --> 00:51:22,360
Speaker 1: think Phil has some of the similarities that it's like,

1034
00:51:22,400 --> 00:51:24,120
Speaker 1: you know, Phil does a lot of relatable things. And

1035
00:51:24,160 --> 00:51:26,680
Speaker 1: I think as a golfer, you know, Tiger could just

1036
00:51:26,719 --> 00:51:29,440
Speaker 1: be so robotic. It was like this guy's just a

1037
00:51:29,480 --> 00:51:31,480
Speaker 1: lot to win, where Phil, it's like, hey could win

1038
00:51:31,520 --> 00:51:34,360
Speaker 1: by five or he could double boge double boge seventeen

1039
00:51:34,400 --> 00:51:37,000
Speaker 1: and eighteen and end up losing in historic fashion. And

1040
00:51:37,080 --> 00:51:39,600
Speaker 1: that's that's where I think Rory, you know, I think

1041
00:51:39,680 --> 00:51:42,080
Speaker 1: kind of resonates of just like it can go great

1042
00:51:42,120 --> 00:51:45,919
Speaker 1: it can go poorly, and you know Bryson. I'm telling

1043
00:51:45,960 --> 00:51:47,960
Speaker 1: you Colin, I think Bryson US opened this week in

1044
00:51:48,000 --> 00:51:50,640
Speaker 1: Oakmont is going to be a major, major factor.

1045
00:51:50,920 --> 00:51:54,239
Speaker 2: Yeah and I yeah. I think Bryson and Shambo did

1046
00:51:54,239 --> 00:51:56,839
Speaker 2: a really good job to pivot. I thought he was unlikable,

1047
00:51:56,960 --> 00:52:00,520
Speaker 2: you know, the thirteen eggs, the sixteen power or shakes

1048
00:52:00,560 --> 00:52:02,800
Speaker 2: in the morning. It was like, bro, I don't need

1049
00:52:02,840 --> 00:52:06,080
Speaker 2: a bitcoin, bro winning on the PGA Tour, just be normal.

1050
00:52:06,840 --> 00:52:09,760
Speaker 2: I think he's become incredibly relatable. I think he's great

1051
00:52:09,760 --> 00:52:12,840
Speaker 2: with fans, which I like. I always thought Tiger was

1052
00:52:12,840 --> 00:52:16,759
Speaker 2: a bit too aloof with fans. I think Bryson has

1053
00:52:16,800 --> 00:52:20,759
Speaker 2: really done as good a job as any athlete. And

1054
00:52:20,800 --> 00:52:22,560
Speaker 2: again it's golf, so I don't know what his marketing

1055
00:52:22,600 --> 00:52:24,759
Speaker 2: company is. I think he's done as good a job

1056
00:52:24,800 --> 00:52:28,120
Speaker 2: as any athlete, going from unlikable to likable in a

1057
00:52:28,120 --> 00:52:30,719
Speaker 2: two year stretch. Like I root for Bryson to Shambo now,

1058
00:52:30,800 --> 00:52:32,799
Speaker 2: I rooted for Brooks Kepta two years ago. I still

1059
00:52:32,800 --> 00:52:35,200
Speaker 2: love Brooks, but I think Bryson's the better player now.

1060
00:52:35,280 --> 00:52:36,120
Speaker 2: Is that that's fair?

1061
00:52:37,400 --> 00:52:39,799
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, not even close. I mean I'd say Bryson's

1062
00:52:40,440 --> 00:52:42,440
Speaker 1: I mean, as we sit here today, is currently that

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Speaker 1: with Roryton Schambells a little bit, currently the second best

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Speaker 1: player in the world. I do think you know, the

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Speaker 1: live you know, he was able to pivot, he went

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Speaker 1: all in on this YouTube really kind of change. I

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Speaker 1: also think golf it's become a little it's definitely become

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Speaker 1: more I would say more in vogue. More popular athletes

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Speaker 1: now play it. You know, football, basketball, people like it.

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Speaker 1: But for a long time, you're just very isolated. You're

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Speaker 1: by yourself. It's not a team game. If you are

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Speaker 1: a little quirky and weird, which I think you naturally

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Speaker 1: have to be to just practice NonStop. It's not like

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Speaker 1: tennis where you need another person to practice with. You

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Speaker 1: just play golf by yourself. You can just practice by

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Speaker 1: yourself twenty four to seven. That like, even if you're

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Speaker 1: a little weird, if you play football and basketball, you're

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Speaker 1: gonna be around other people and you'll just kind of

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Speaker 1: mold into just kind of them, right, and just parts

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Speaker 1: of their personality. We're in golf you can just kind

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Speaker 1: of stay isolated. And I think the live team element,

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Speaker 1: I think the YouTube element really kind of changed. And listen,

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Speaker 1: I think Bryson lightened up. You don't have to be

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Speaker 1: like Tiger was. I mean, let's face, kind of an asshole.

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Speaker 1: Kobe could be, Michael could be. When you're kicking everyone's

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Speaker 1: butt twenty four to seven, three sixty five, no one

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Speaker 1: really cares. You know, Bryson would go to show up

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Speaker 1: to the Masters and be like, this is a par

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Speaker 1: sixty seven and then seventy seven. It's like price, you

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Speaker 1: can't be saying. So I think he got humbled a

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Speaker 1: little bit, and I think he's just kind of embraced

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Speaker 1: maybe the perfect timing of like social media boom. He

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Speaker 1: just kind of knows how to play it and he's,

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Speaker 1: let's face it, you hit the ball three in forty

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Speaker 1: three and fifty yards. I mean, John Daly is still

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Speaker 1: cool and he's sixty years old. I mean part of

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Speaker 1: hitting the chicks dig the long ball. I mean, guys

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Speaker 1: dig the long ball. It's it's cool and he's and

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Speaker 1: he does that, but he's but he's a great player.

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Speaker 1: So I think he's got, out of anybody, the best

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Speaker 1: chance to beat Scotty this weekend at the US Open.

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Speaker 2: Great stuff John Middlecoff, former NFL scout three and out

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Speaker 2: Buddy hit the Titos today, it's a Tito's day. Well

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