00:00:08 Speaker 1: And I invited you here, thought I made myself perfectly clear. When you're a guest in my home, you gotta come to me empty. And I said, no guests, your presences presence, and I already had too much stuff. 00:00:35 Speaker 2: So how do you dare to surbey me? Welcome to I said, no gifts. I'm pretcher wineker Ah. I hope you're doing okay. I've just had a brief instance of feeling very strange, but I I'm fine. I you know, you know, you never know what's going to happen when you turn on the microphone. The big news. This morning, my neighbor came over and told me her husband's truck has been stolen. So if you have any information about that, or if you're the person who stole the truck, look where we all make mistakes. We can move on, return the truck, no one gets in trouble. My neighbor leaves me alone, and we move on with our lives. We have to move on with our lives because our guest is here, and I'm so so thrilled to have her so happy, simply such a delight. None other than Jessica Chaffin Jessica, Welcome to I said, no gifts, thank you for having me. 00:01:46 Speaker 3: I feel I this became I was already excited about doing the show, but there's this extra level of threat with you haven't had some kind of an episode just when you turned on the microphone. 00:01:58 Speaker 2: It was a very strange. It wasn't either good nor bad. It was confusing. I see what could possibly be going on in my brain? Is my brain starting to shut down? And halfway through it's over for me. It's hard to say. 00:02:12 Speaker 3: It just felt sort of like fortune telleries slash alcoholic mammish. Like, have you ever like, do you have ever had one of those friends who's like or a boyfriend or a girlfriend or whatever who when you are sick, they become sicker. 00:02:30 Speaker 2: Oh, of course yes, We're like, who you're not feeling Yeah? 00:02:35 Speaker 4: And they're like, You're like, you've got to be kidding. 00:02:40 Speaker 3: I just told you like ten like ten seconds ago, I reported to you that I was going to have to just take a minute, laid out, and I think I was coming down with something. 00:02:48 Speaker 4: And then they become twice as sick. 00:02:50 Speaker 2: So somebody always needs the spotlight. They don't take care to take care of you. 00:02:54 Speaker 3: You have to take care of them, and it just becomes about them, right. 00:02:59 Speaker 2: I mean, in related news, my truck has been stolen. I've had three trucks stolen. And if anyone knows about my trucks, forget my neighbor. 00:03:10 Speaker 3: I would like you to try that on her, if she's the kind of neighbor that keeps coming over with like bad news. Like there's some people who just love bad news. My father loves bad news. 00:03:21 Speaker 2: What sort of bad news does he does? 00:03:23 Speaker 3: He get into, loves to go to a funeral, loves you know, anything that's befallen somebody he loves. I think he just likes gossip, likes news like he likes gossip, but he loves he loves bad news. 00:03:39 Speaker 4: And old food is anything that's in the fridge. 00:03:43 Speaker 3: It doesn't matter about the expert, you know, and he had and God bless me, he has like an iron stomach, which I do not. 00:03:49 Speaker 2: Well, you have to with bad food. Now, wait, will he call you with bad news? 00:03:54 Speaker 4: Definitely? 00:03:54 Speaker 2: And like he'll call it. Did you hear who died? Is that sort of thing? Yes? 00:03:58 Speaker 3: So it's not he's really he's got great delivery anyway. 00:04:02 Speaker 4: He's very funny, my father. 00:04:05 Speaker 3: But he's more like a funny He's both funny and a funny person. So he has a unique delivery. I didn't know that this is that this was going to be today's session, Bridge. 00:04:16 Speaker 4: Or I haven't. 00:04:18 Speaker 3: I haven't covered this with my therapists in a while, so I'm glad we're doing it. But he's very funny and but he has a very funny way of speaking. He sounds like he's he lives, He's I'm from Boston. 00:04:31 Speaker 2: He's from Boston. 00:04:32 Speaker 3: He grew up in Boston. But he has this sort of weird mid Atlantic. 00:04:40 Speaker 2: Accent. 00:04:41 Speaker 3: But it's then mixed in with sort of Yiddish intonations that he must have picked up from his grand his parents, I guess. So he often uses noises to convey emotion instead of uh, you know so words. 00:04:59 Speaker 5: If you just add him a question, he says, this is, well, listen, you know, like there's a lot of preamble, a lot of drama. 00:05:12 Speaker 2: That's the sort of voice you want to have with bad news. 00:05:16 Speaker 3: Yes, So what I mean is he's not the type. He's not your sort of average gossip who would call you up and be like, did you hear It's not He doesn't get right to it, he gives you a little bit of other news. He told, I don't know what, I can't remember. He was, this was a message, by the way, I could probably play it for you, but that might be he could sue me, and I would I wouldn't put it past if not. But he you know a little bit of this, and this is what he did when he calls. He it's like he's dictating a memo to his secretary whenever he leaves a voicemail, and he often signs his voicemail's best regards. 00:05:58 Speaker 2: Oh that's I love a sign off as regards Dad, sincerely, lots of love. 00:06:04 Speaker 4: Dad, you know, like that, like a memo. 00:06:07 Speaker 3: So he called last night, had you know, I'm sure it was something very pressing, like what he had had to eat that day, you know, well, just. 00:06:15 Speaker 2: Finished dinner in the news, you know. 00:06:18 Speaker 4: Just winding down after the day, you know. 00:06:21 Speaker 3: Oh, he was reporting he had been to my cousins to stop by my cousins for passover. 00:06:25 Speaker 2: Okay, oh sure, sure. 00:06:27 Speaker 3: He wasn't having passover with them, but he stopped by to drop off the chopped liver. Anyway, he was reporting that he had been there, and they said a bit of sad news. I don't know if you remember, and I won't say their names just in case you know, but so and so and so and so are getting divorced, and I have reached the point in life for I don't think it's bad news when I hear the people are getting. 00:06:51 Speaker 2: Divorced, right, I think that we're kind of moving on as a society that when people get divorced, it's just clear that there was a problem. 00:06:59 Speaker 3: It's great news for at least one of them, right, I mean, it's only bad news if it's the person that you you prefer, who has been injured in the in the affair. 00:07:10 Speaker 2: But and even then, and I'm not implying there. 00:07:12 Speaker 4: Was an affair, I just. 00:07:13 Speaker 2: Mean in the in the uh, let's imply there was an affair. 00:07:16 Speaker 4: The busy Yeah, let's why not. I mean, let's hope, right. 00:07:21 Speaker 2: I know, give it some passion, some excitement. 00:07:24 Speaker 3: Yeah, if you didn't exits, you know, that's a pretty good exit strategy. It's like, what can I say, I fell in love with someone else? 00:07:32 Speaker 2: Lucky you. I feel like the only time that a divorce is truly bad news is I mean, it's like children of course. Yeah, yeah, for the children. That's terrible. 00:07:43 Speaker 4: Well, you've got to grow up sometime, you got. 00:07:45 Speaker 2: You gotta figure that out. Face reality, kids, it's not But he called they're getting divorced. And did he learn this when he was dropping off the course? Yes, that's big news. 00:07:58 Speaker 4: I have to say, knowing. 00:07:59 Speaker 3: Them, I only know them as a like an annual an occasional couple, meaning like I have seen them probably twice a year, right for the whole you know, at a holiday, and like them both very much. But it was like, what's keeping these two together? And it seemed to and it seemed to be that they were. They have two very nice kids, So I'm sorry about that, but that's also like great, they raised two nice kids. 00:08:29 Speaker 4: They obviously did something really well together. 00:08:32 Speaker 3: But yeah, I was always kind of like they got married I don't want to say young, but like early, so maybe kind of right out of college. 00:08:41 Speaker 2: Ish, that's mid twenties. 00:08:44 Speaker 3: Yeah, so I think, you know, just meaning early in your like development as a grown up. 00:08:51 Speaker 2: Right, I think getting married in your twenties is it feels very young to me, but it works for a lot of people. 00:08:59 Speaker 4: I wish I had married someone very rich when I was very young. Who who I really despised. 00:09:08 Speaker 2: You know what, it's a formula for romance. 00:09:10 Speaker 3: Yeah, oh yeah, no, like I wish I was divorced by thirty with like fifty million in my pocket and a broken heart. You know, it's just sort of like like that to me is success that you know that you're then you're just have That's just freedom. 00:09:25 Speaker 2: You're buying your friend of course. Yeah, right into the prime of your life with a huge sum of money. You've got a little story to talk about. You've got like mystery in your past. 00:09:36 Speaker 3: Yeah, you get one out of the way. What's marriage really supposed to be about? You find out what it isn't you know? Oh that sounds terrific to me. 00:09:44 Speaker 2: Oh what have you been up to? What's going on? Oh? 00:09:49 Speaker 4: What haven't I've been up to? 00:09:51 Speaker 5: Brother? 00:09:53 Speaker 4: I've started my own multi level marketing business. I've you know, I'm selling a cream out of the back of my trunk. You know. I do my podcast Ask. 00:10:07 Speaker 3: Rona with Anna and Brian with my dear, dearly beloved Brian SOFEI who I love very much and who is so wonderful person to get to spend a bunch of time with. So I've been doing that but I haven't been shooting anything in the middle of any of this. I just was not not ready to I'm not vaccinated yet. 00:10:28 Speaker 2: There I said it. It's not from this one. 00:10:32 Speaker 4: It's not political. It's because I'm just over thirty and I've. 00:10:35 Speaker 2: Decided to get here. She had. She told me some interesting theories about what she felt about vaccines. She's, well, you. 00:10:43 Speaker 4: Know, yeah, let everyone else be the guinea pigs. 00:10:46 Speaker 3: I'll just do it when, you know. But yeah, so I just was not ready to do that yet. As I'm sure you can imagine people knocking down my door trying to drag. 00:11:00 Speaker 2: Me out of my house and onto a private plane. 00:11:02 Speaker 4: Can't you star in this? 00:11:05 Speaker 3: Can't you star in that? What about just a cameo? Can we talk you into a cameo? And I said, I'll never go on cameo despite how much money people make. 00:11:14 Speaker 2: People make a lot of money on cameo. 00:11:17 Speaker 4: You know, I literally to just before we got on. 00:11:20 Speaker 3: You know what, I love all those lists, like the Forbes lists and you know, find out who the world's most expensive DJ is or whatever, you know, But they had a list about who makes the most money on cameo, right, And I don't think their list is accurate because I think it seemed too low to me. 00:11:37 Speaker 2: To be honest. Who was on it? 00:11:39 Speaker 3: Well, John, you know it's so funny because I really don't believe in cameo, Like for me, people can do whatever. 00:11:45 Speaker 2: Maybe it's a religion. 00:11:47 Speaker 4: Well also it's because. 00:11:51 Speaker 3: Probably I don't want to find out how little I would make on cameo. 00:11:54 Speaker 4: But no, I just that kind of I think it's weird. That kind of access that people have to other people. 00:12:01 Speaker 2: Very odd to me. It's very curious. I don't understand either side of it, to be honest. 00:12:08 Speaker 4: Or even wanting it. 00:12:11 Speaker 2: I can't imagine like loving someone so much that I would want them to send to send me a cameo. I guess a lot of people do it as kind of as jokes, but the whole thing just makes him feel a little strange. 00:12:23 Speaker 3: Then the joke thing is upsetting, so you're like, you are signing up, So what's your price to be the butt of a joke? 00:12:32 Speaker 2: You know what I mean? 00:12:33 Speaker 3: Like, because I remember there was like a Steve Gutenberg video that went around. Did you remember that? 00:12:38 Speaker 2: I don't remember this. 00:12:39 Speaker 3: It was pretty hilarious because he was clearly filming from like a golf club. So you know Steve Gutenberg, big star in the eighties, Short Circuit, among other. 00:12:50 Speaker 2: Of course, what drives Steve Gutenberg to cameo in the first. 00:12:53 Speaker 3: Place, Well, I do think people go on who have expensive lives and could use little incomes. I think that's one thing that drives them. I think I think there's people that talk, that are on the rise, that are sort of wanting to It's another way to I don't know, expand your celebrity. I suppose, like in a social media kind of way, but get paid for it, which I think is weird, but probably a thing that works for people. But it seems like it's mostly the virtual version of those autograph shows that people go to. 00:13:27 Speaker 2: Oh when you go to like a comic con or whatever. 00:13:29 Speaker 3: Yes you want to get Jerry Rye and signature or whoever you know. 00:13:34 Speaker 4: I don't know who, but because I've never gone to one. 00:13:36 Speaker 3: But that you know, Squiggy, I think it's so. 00:13:43 Speaker 2: I think it's the. 00:13:43 Speaker 3: People that are on the rise, the people that are the autograph people like apparently we cast off Harry Potter very popular. 00:13:52 Speaker 2: I can't imagine the main cast. No, you know, the Twins like various wizards and this sort of thing. 00:14:00 Speaker 3: Lucius Malfoy or whatever. The son's name was, Draco Malfoy, Draco Malfoy. Yeah, and Lucius is the father, I think. And then I think it's people that have expensive lives. 00:14:11 Speaker 4: That can't afford them and need. 00:14:15 Speaker 3: Or there's also, of course, ego people that just can't bear to be ignored, which I'm assuming John Clees falls into the last two categories. Oh yes, but he's about eight times divorced. 00:14:28 Speaker 2: And right he's got bills coming from every direction. Yeah, so he's a it's a win win and he does feel like someone with a little bit of an ego, yo, totally, But it. 00:14:38 Speaker 3: Is weird that you're like you agree to be the butt of a joke, or it's weird that you would want to receive a video where like we're just gonna I'm gonna pretend you've given me details, So now we're going to pretend I know who you are, Like happy birthday, Bridger, Like, oh my god, I'm Felton said happy birthday to me, and it's like, well, it's not a piece of. 00:15:03 Speaker 2: Paper in front of him. 00:15:04 Speaker 4: I mean, I guess you know, it's the novelty of the thing. 00:15:06 Speaker 2: I suppose. Yeah, my boyfriend sent his mom has had a longtime crush on someone from maybe General Hospital. Oh, I wonder who. I feel like, somebody with the nickname of Muscles or something. I don't know, but she's been watching, you know, she's been watching General Hospital or whatever. So I think it was sunny yours, Sonny, Yes, it was, was it? Wow? Good call. My boyfriend got her a cameo and she was bowled over by this thing. 00:15:40 Speaker 4: See, so that's a good advertisement. 00:15:43 Speaker 2: I guess. I mean, I still find the thing entirely strange, but I guess it's almost an I mean, it is kind of like the ultimate novelty grating card. 00:15:52 Speaker 3: And I guess that person knows who you are for ten seconds, this. 00:15:56 Speaker 4: Person that you write you have always known who they are. They now know who you are. 00:16:02 Speaker 2: You crossed their mind for a second. Yeah, this guy seemed like a real slimeball. 00:16:08 Speaker 3: Well, I wonder if he does it from the set, because then he's like you just sonny Yoh. 00:16:13 Speaker 2: Yeah, he was in like a tank top. Oh, he was. 00:16:18 Speaker 3: Still holding it up, holding it down, Sonny. I should say, I swatch General Hospital after school and like you know, like three to four, you know, eat some Dorito's, some cool rache gurritos, some tuna fish general Hospital, maybe a little top ram and you know, like that's you know, when. 00:16:37 Speaker 4: You have your pre dinner when you're a t You know. 00:16:40 Speaker 2: Isn't that a wonderful time in life to just have a full meal As a child, you can just have meal after meal after meal. It doesn't you have a meal at three o'clock. 00:16:49 Speaker 3: You've you've had lunch at presumably at twelve or one, and then you have a meal at three o'clock and then you have dinner. 00:16:57 Speaker 4: At six thirty. What was your snack in Utah as a. 00:17:01 Speaker 2: I mean this will come no surprise to. 00:17:04 Speaker 3: Well, how much white flour and how much sugar did it? 00:17:07 Speaker 4: Did it involve? 00:17:08 Speaker 2: Yeah, it was always a cookie, almost entirely between well, let's see, the school would end up probably three thirty. Between three thirty and five o'clock, I was eating countless cookies every single day. 00:17:22 Speaker 4: What were your cookies of choice? Like store bought cookies or. 00:17:25 Speaker 2: My mom would make chocolate chip cookies, or she would make a variety. I mean, my mom's an excellent baker and would be making cookies every day. I mean it's a very yeah, every day making cookies, yeah yeah, and never another type of snack. I mean I would have those meals that we spoke of, which would be like a ramen orble of cereal, you know, various things that you shouldn't be putting in your body at any point in the day, but making a full meal out of it, and having cookies. I don't maybe a cake. I mean, I'm about to say fruit, and that's just not true. It's never just having a nice light fruit. It was cookies. 00:18:05 Speaker 4: It was always so nasty. If your mother was like, why don't you have an apple? 00:18:09 Speaker 2: You hate me? I don't. I don't have an idea. Who I am? Have you? 00:18:15 Speaker 4: Have you been to the grocery store? Do you see what else they have? Like apples? Outrageous? How many kids in your family? 00:18:24 Speaker 2: Four? Four children? How about how many some six in my family? I beat you, which is really. 00:18:31 Speaker 4: Unusual for Yeah. 00:18:34 Speaker 2: Wow, are you younger? I knew, I knew we. 00:18:38 Speaker 4: Were better than you, and I couldn't. 00:18:40 Speaker 2: I couldn't quite. But now, well, how many of your siblings are in prison? That's what I want to know. 00:18:49 Speaker 3: Well, I can tell you how many should be, but but none of them are at the moment. 00:18:53 Speaker 2: That was a sensitive question. What if all of your siblings are in prison? 00:18:56 Speaker 3: I know what if I was like too for male Froud Genshaw, which we did. We did have a little exchange this morning, Bridget. 00:19:06 Speaker 2: Which right, I am. 00:19:08 Speaker 4: So into this. It was just what I needed. 00:19:11 Speaker 2: So you and I both we both watch Real Housewives of Salt Lake City, you know Genshaw. Hopefully everyone's caught up on the Salt Lake Housewives at this point, but this person is now in deep legal trouble. 00:19:28 Speaker 3: My friend said a very funny thing when she said, I wonder I hope Coach Shaw has a pep talk for prison. 00:19:39 Speaker 2: Do you think that Coach Shaw had any idea? Of course, but he's always away. Do you think he's trying to get away to kind of absolve himself, try to keep his fingers out of whatever. 00:19:50 Speaker 3: She's well, you know, I believe Coach Shaw has a lot of girlfriends, Like I think believe. 00:19:54 Speaker 2: He has girlfriends in every city. 00:19:57 Speaker 3: Yeah, I believe Coach Shaw has girlfriend That's what I believe. 00:20:01 Speaker 2: He's a good looking man, successful, and he can dance. He can dance. 00:20:07 Speaker 3: He really showed us that on that when they took that salsa lesson at the end, I was like, he picked up that routine very quickly. 00:20:14 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I don't think he picked up that routine. I think he's been doing salsa lessons in other cities. 00:20:18 Speaker 3: Well, it turned out that the various part there's that yes, because he didn't seem she sort of said, he's been asking me since before we were since we were married, to do a salcin. I had a never have this salc date night. And he did seem like he had been dancing more recently than that, didn't He He wasn't as excited as someone who's made to wait eighteen years to go selic dance. 00:20:41 Speaker 2: I feel like this legal trouble, if he has managed to stay out of it, probably comes as a huge relief to him. 00:20:48 Speaker 4: Oh you mean that somebody's going to take her off his hands. 00:20:50 Speaker 2: Right, he can finally just say enough is enough, goodbye. 00:20:54 Speaker 3: Jen. I just think she was obviously. I mean, I don't know how much how much of her clothing was borrowed or bought or whatever, but she was wearing a lot of expensive clothing. And my my guess was more that there were sort of boutiques that would lend her clothes and us to be the game, right, But they didn't have an inexpensive life. I mean they were renting their house, but. 00:21:20 Speaker 2: They did not have life. She was furious when that was exposed that she was renting rather than owning. Yeah, and he was. 00:21:27 Speaker 4: He's a coach. I mean he can only make so much money as a. 00:21:31 Speaker 2: Coach, right, football coach. I mean maybe they they probably make good money. 00:21:36 Speaker 3: He's not the head coach. He's like the special teams coach or something. So even that, you know, I'm sure he makes a very nice living, but not that kind of living. 00:21:46 Speaker 2: No way. I mean that house is beautiful. Yeah, and they're throwing these parties. They're getting her hair. 00:21:51 Speaker 4: Oh, those incredible parties. 00:21:54 Speaker 3: Never if I wanted to an attend a party less than you know, but the idea of go party now is absolutely absurd to me anyway, But the that's not the one I would pick. 00:22:05 Speaker 2: No, I mean every one of them has some shirtless loser serving a horrible looking appetizer. The food is. 00:22:13 Speaker 4: The food just terrible in Park City. 00:22:15 Speaker 2: What's the what's the scoop? I don't know. I think there's good food in Park City. There's good food in Utah, but I think maybe there's bad catering. It's hard to say. Yeah, But then they had like that party at what essentially looked like a miniature golf course or something the uh. 00:22:31 Speaker 3: Oh his party, Yes, his birthday, which which was a like a Dave and Buster's basically right. 00:22:37 Speaker 2: There was like a golf range attached to it, yes, and they had kind of been pushed off into a little corner of it for their party. Yeah. 00:22:44 Speaker 3: I don't need to go to any party where you give me a stack full of tokens, you know. 00:22:52 Speaker 2: Yeah, they're parties. I mean gen Shaws and every other one of the Salt like Housewives parties. Every room in their ine just looks extremely drafty to me. I always just think everyone needs to have a jacket on. 00:23:04 Speaker 3: It looks uncomfortable, underdecorated, hallow and drafty, yes, hollow, sort of right, But including Jen's house. 00:23:13 Speaker 4: Where she always removes the furniture to you know. 00:23:16 Speaker 2: That's the other weird thing. What the furniture is always missing? Uh in h what's her name? The tequila person's name, Lisa, Lisa. Her house. There's no art on the walls, there's maybe a couch in the house they have, like a couch in beds. Every one of these housewives looks like they're they need to get out of town quick. Yeah, I imagine Jen will probably be going to prison. Who knows what happened to Stuart. I mean Stewart was the first red flag. It was like, who is this man? Or why is he spending all of his time with her? Yeah, and obviously we know now that they were just they had some sort of criminal enterprise. 00:23:54 Speaker 4: Well, the poor Shaw squad, how are they going to be? 00:23:57 Speaker 2: Well, tell you what I heard this morning. There rumors are members of the Shaws squad may have been undercover. She may have had you know, somebody turned. Someone texted me this this this morning. I mean, it's all hearsay. I didn't look into it, as I never do. 00:24:16 Speaker 4: I mean they were informants. 00:24:18 Speaker 2: Informants, Yeah, maybe like whoever one of the nine people that was doing her hair, or various people who were just kind of standing around at all times. One of them was probably wearing a wire. Yeah. Look, I don't want to I never want to get off the topic of the housewives, but I know I feel bad. 00:24:35 Speaker 4: You can cut any of that of course, because we've done nothing but bore your audience to death with the. 00:24:40 Speaker 2: But there's just a more important issue here. There's a much more important issue that I have to approach you about. So you agreed to be on this podcast a couple of weeks ago. I was very excited day I had been on Ask Grana. We had had a wonderful time. I feel like we had been built some level of trust between the two of us. You emailed asking for my address. I gave it to you. You know, at some point, hopefully I'll learn my lesson. But what are you going to do? 00:25:12 Speaker 4: Did I steal the truck? 00:25:13 Speaker 3: We don't know yet, right, I mean, yeah, I know whatah, And obviously nothing else to do. As I mentioned, I I've not been jetting off on my usual jaunts to movie sets. 00:25:26 Speaker 2: And you know, you're obviously in a desperate place. Yeah yeah, And crime in my neighborhood suddenly spikes. I mean, it's god knows what's going on. If I could take it back, if I could say, go back to the day that I gave you my address, would I no question? I mean, obviously, especially now that uh we're going to get into this. This podcast is called. I said, no gifts. You know that. I know that the world at large is aware that this podcast has a rule. So I was a little surprised this morning when I get a text from you me get you my phone number. Of side. I don't know what I was thinking, but he said, I'm outside, could you send your boyfriend out to get something? And I immediately thought, I'm not sending Jim out there. Why is she here at ten o'clock in the morning in the first place. 00:26:14 Speaker 4: Yeah, so who knows what she's got for me? 00:26:17 Speaker 2: Right? So I masked up. I come outside, but you're sitting there in your car. You say, you who over here? I come over and you hand me a little basket and so a beautiful little basket with it kind of a burlap sack inside, kind of a lovely smell coming from it. And are these some herbs on the outside? Is that what I'm looking at? 00:26:41 Speaker 3: It's just a sprig of drying spring flowers, that's all it is. 00:26:46 Speaker 2: Just well, it's very beautiful, And I mean, obviously things went through my mind, and she think this was mine, and she had forgotten she was bringing me something that she mistakenly thought was mine. Then it occurred to me. Oh, no, yep, it's a gift. 00:27:04 Speaker 5: Yep. 00:27:04 Speaker 2: So I have to ask you, am I are my suspicions correct? Is this a gift for me? 00:27:11 Speaker 4: It is a gift for you. 00:27:12 Speaker 5: It is. 00:27:12 Speaker 3: It's a token of my appreciation. I wouldn't call it a gift. It's a token appreciation for coming on the show. 00:27:19 Speaker 2: Finding some loopholes has never helped anybody. Ask Joshaw, ask, ask Stewart. Well, I don't know. Do you think I should open it here on the show. I'm happy to wait. It's up to you. 00:27:33 Speaker 3: I would because it's perishable, and in fact, it may already be best. 00:27:36 Speaker 4: It's past its best moment. 00:27:40 Speaker 2: Okay, well, let me open it up, much like you and I rapidly aging. 00:27:46 Speaker 4: Butter that's been left on the counter just an hour or two long. 00:27:56 Speaker 2: I'm very excited to see whatever's happening here. I'm going to reach in Phoenix. Oh oh, okay, I've now removed a muffin from the bag. It looks like there are multiple muffins in this bag. This is a beautiful, beautiful Is this a blueberry muffin? 00:28:13 Speaker 3: That is a home baked blueberry muffin that I made this morning, so hopefully it's still a little warm. 00:28:20 Speaker 4: In the center. 00:28:21 Speaker 2: Is this? Did you make this from scratch? 00:28:23 Speaker 4: I did, and it is from the recipe. 00:28:27 Speaker 3: And people that know me in my various forms, either as Me or as Rana or whatever, know that I often talk about. There was a department store in Boston called Jordan Marsh and they sold just these beautiful, fresh baked blueberr muffins when you would walk through the door. They were in that Boston not very cold place, obviously, and this was late downtown crossing, which is sort of like an outdoor at the time anyway, an outdoor mall space. But where the train stations there was a busy train station. There was a lot of foot traffic, and you would walk. 00:29:02 Speaker 4: In on a cold winter day and the windows were all, you know, not frosted over. What's the you know. 00:29:10 Speaker 2: I feel like frosted What do you call it? When the window was hot on the inside instead oh, kind of foggy, fogged up fog. 00:29:19 Speaker 3: No I called frost instead of fogged. But it was really fogged over from the heat of the baking. And the bakery was right in the front. 00:29:26 Speaker 2: At the store. 00:29:27 Speaker 3: Dream And so anyone that grew up in Boston, knows the Jordan Marsh sadly closed, but knows about these muffins, and so those that is the Jordan Marsh blueberry muffin recipe. 00:29:40 Speaker 2: Where did you get the recipe? 00:29:41 Speaker 3: Actually Channel five WCVB a few years ago they went and found the guy that ran the bakery for however long thirty years or something, and they filmed him and he gave them the recipe and his sort of tips and tricks of the recipe. And I just one day was it's a thing that people kind of like, you know, oh, do you remember the muffins? 00:30:04 Speaker 4: Do you remember the muffins? 00:30:06 Speaker 3: So, I don't know, maybe five or six years ago I googled it and there it was from an old news story and so it appears the New. 00:30:15 Speaker 4: York Times recipe has it. There's a Yankee magazine recipe, but this is the one that came straight from the guys. 00:30:22 Speaker 2: So that's what you've got to trust the source. Yeah, wait, I mean should I'm going to try it right now? 00:30:27 Speaker 1: Oh? 00:30:27 Speaker 4: I would be I'll walk out if you don't. 00:30:30 Speaker 2: What if I review state? What do you care if I walk out? 00:30:34 Speaker 6: Talk to somebody else for the next Oh my god, that is delightful. 00:30:45 Speaker 3: Well, I know you like sweets, and I sort of guessed that because it was funny when we were talking about the cookies, because I wondered about that. I wondered if your mother. I was sort of wondering what is Mormon cuisine? And my guess was that they're baker's the Mormons, because that's a very a very frontierish thing to be, right, and that I was trying to think what is their cuisine? And obviously there's only certain things that you're allowed, but sugar seems to be one of them. 00:31:19 Speaker 2: Absolutely. 00:31:20 Speaker 3: My guess was that these people are flour and butter and sugar people. And so I said, well, let me make you something personal that I. 00:31:29 Speaker 4: Love and that people usually I'll say, you won't always, but usually respond to who doesn't want a basket of fresh muffins left on their door? 00:31:38 Speaker 2: I can't. I mean, this is it's like a cartoon dream, a fantasy, right, It's an amazing thing. 00:31:43 Speaker 4: I can't wait till you. 00:31:45 Speaker 3: When I leave, I want you to stay on for an extra thirty seconds to talk about what shit these muffins did. 00:31:52 Speaker 2: Listen. 00:31:52 Speaker 3: I had to spit it out there's five more doorstops here, Jim, if you're. 00:31:57 Speaker 2: Interested, you know, now, is this a hard recipe to make? 00:32:03 Speaker 4: No, No, it's it's not. It's not at all. 00:32:07 Speaker 2: Is cooking and baking something you enjoy doing? 00:32:10 Speaker 3: I do, but it's not. I I really do it purely for joy or to show love to other people. But I'm not a person who's like I have to make dinner every night. 00:32:25 Speaker 4: I don't have I don't. 00:32:27 Speaker 3: Have any uh, you know, any domestic drive in that way. It's not like, oh, I've got to make sure there's a hot meal on the table for you know. It's not it's it's a it's a thing in my life, which is like. 00:32:43 Speaker 4: Probably what makes me who I am. 00:32:45 Speaker 3: And also, uh, something that I would change about myself if I could, which is often you know, whatever's that our essence or at our core is this thing that sort of defines us, but we also either resent or it's our our greatest this is often our greatest weakness, if you know, and which is that I don't like to do anything I'm supposed to do or that I have to do. But if I choose to do something, then I love doing it. And probably most people are like that. But also that's a very I've gotten a little better as I've gotten older. 00:33:20 Speaker 4: It's very immature, you know, like to procrastinate because you don't write. 00:33:24 Speaker 3: And it's like, well, maybe you don't mind doing it. The whether it's expected if you or not. If you don't mind doing it, what's the big deal? 00:33:31 Speaker 2: Right? Who cares if you're being told to do it? 00:33:33 Speaker 4: Yeah, So it's not like I have. 00:33:34 Speaker 3: My life is not set up in such a way that there's someone who expects me to serve them hot food or to make anything for them. The thing with me in cooking and baking and food is it is about feeling connected to other people, and it is about relaxing. So, for instance, we're in the pandemic still, of course, and Passover was this past weekend, and so I was not I will often either have a big pass over or throw it with my one of my best friends from growing up lives down the street for me, and we'll kind of like she'll make one thing and I'll make another thing, and we'll, you know, we'll do the meal together. And so we didn't do any of that this year. But I found myself I was sort of like, well, I'll just. 00:34:21 Speaker 2: Make my soup, which you know what type of soup. 00:34:24 Speaker 3: Motzo ball soup, but really it's chicken soup, you know, the chicken stock, and then you make the mots mos, right, So it's like, I'm just gonna make the soup, like, well, then I you know what, I think, I'll make a brisket. Well, if I'm going to make the bro I have to make the liver because I have to. 00:34:38 Speaker 2: You know. 00:34:38 Speaker 3: There's just these things. But basically it makes me feel connected to my mother and also to being a Jews on some level, I suppose, like back generations. And that is how it's sort of funny that I enjoyed chop liver because I actually think the idea of it seems disgusting, but it's delicious. 00:34:59 Speaker 2: Is it textually? Is it? What is it like? Text? Like a pate? 00:35:03 Speaker 4: If you ever read pate? 00:35:06 Speaker 2: I actually don't think I have. Maybe I think I've had it on bond me, but that's a different situation where it's kind of that's more like. 00:35:12 Speaker 3: A spam probably right. Oh no, is it a spread? 00:35:16 Speaker 2: Yeah? I think they'll on some they'll like spread it. But it's also then there are various other things so it's harder to really determine what I think. 00:35:26 Speaker 4: A spread is the best way to think of it. 00:35:28 Speaker 3: So it's like a it's like a purade or a milled food that is still kind of, you know, solid, So it's like a cheese spread or you know, it's just happens to be a meat spread basically. 00:35:41 Speaker 2: And are you putting it on bread? 00:35:43 Speaker 3: Well, not during passover, you're yeah, of course, Cracker, You're putting it. 00:35:47 Speaker 4: On matsa during passover, right. 00:35:50 Speaker 3: But I make it at Russia, Shan, I make it in the fall, and then I make it now. And there's about four or five people in my life who like it, and so I drop it off to them. And yesterday I was outside the alley of CBS Studio, Radford waiting for someone to meet me in the alley so I can hand them their chop liver. 00:36:12 Speaker 4: But the uh. And then I have this other great friend. 00:36:15 Speaker 3: Who I love dearly named Dan Sweimer, who is a writer and who was just nominated for the Borat movie. 00:36:23 Speaker 2: Excuse me for. 00:36:27 Speaker 3: Whether or not our friendship will be continuing as themselves of his Academy Award nomination, I don't know, but he is a Manchester jew and it's like two of my favorite times of year are passover at Rustashana. When he'll come, he will just come and sit at my kitchen table. He's supposed to come pick it up and take it home because he and his wife both love like liver, and he's supposed to take it home, and he'll just sit at the kitchen table and he'll eat like, I don't know, a quarter of a pound of liver, and we'll just and we'll just gossip for like two hours, like two old yentas, and it's a it's amazing, you know. 00:37:09 Speaker 4: We just that kind of thing where you're telling a story that has absolutely no importance. 00:37:14 Speaker 3: But it's just like then I said to this guy and then I walked in they and they closed the place and I said, it's not you know, open the place up. 00:37:21 Speaker 2: We got to get into you know. 00:37:22 Speaker 3: It's it's like some sort of like a rhythm or a dance. It's wonderful. So I'm like a thematic cooker. 00:37:30 Speaker 2: Right, And it reminds me a bit of our mutual friend Jessica Gow who has a similar thing, who loves to cook for other people. She will make a huge me feast for people have them over. She brought us uh oxtail soup. She's really she goes all out. 00:37:45 Speaker 4: Well, she's never had me over for dinner. I can tell you. 00:37:49 Speaker 2: The brag here was that I've been to Jessica's for dinner. 00:37:52 Speaker 3: Well, I'm allergic to no, I'm not allergic to cats, I'm allergic to admiral whiskers. So I've never been to No. But she's brought her wonderful dumplings that she'll make with her family and no. Jessica Ga is one of my fit all time favorite. We have a very funny relationship where she calls me sir and I call her little sister, Like where did that come from? 00:38:15 Speaker 2: Sir? 00:38:15 Speaker 4: Is like Marcy and peppermint Patty? 00:38:18 Speaker 2: Oh of course I love like, oh. 00:38:20 Speaker 4: Sir, please sir? Yes you know, and I because I basically am. 00:38:26 Speaker 2: I mean, if if you hadn't heard. 00:38:27 Speaker 3: It before, if you stop and hear it now, you'll hear that I'm peppermint Patty, which is you know. 00:38:31 Speaker 2: You do have a little peppermint patty. 00:38:33 Speaker 4: Hey, Chuck, well, Chuck, I guess you know. I guess that's the way the cookie crumbles. 00:38:38 Speaker 2: Chuck. 00:38:39 Speaker 3: Come on, we're all, you know, we're all going you know, it's like the saddest character of the world, Charlie Brown. Someone tell me Peppermint Patty's in love with Charlie Brown. 00:38:48 Speaker 2: I found that surprising. I find that very surprising. I've always felt like Peppermint Patty was a little uh, you know, she's not interested in sex. 00:38:57 Speaker 4: Or man or boys or whatever. 00:38:59 Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean she's either she's either lesbian or kind of just you know, asexual or something. Yeah, but I mean she can do whatever she wants. She's maybe my favorite character. 00:39:10 Speaker 4: Yeah, she's great. Peppermint Patty a real bulldozer. 00:39:14 Speaker 2: Yeah, she knows what she wants. 00:39:15 Speaker 4: She does and she's going to get it. 00:39:18 Speaker 3: I was watching that Thanksgiving special this year, and I was like, the balls on her. She makes him and Snoopy throw that whole popcorn Thanksgiving feast and Charlie Brn's supposed to go supposed to go to his grandmother's house and then they all have to go to the grand They give invited to the grandmother's house too. 00:39:37 Speaker 4: She didn't have plans and she just. 00:39:38 Speaker 2: Made it happen. Yeah. She and Lucy are the two characters in the show that just have a drive and goals that they achieve. Yeah, and I feel like that they people look down on them for that, and I think that they're fantastic. You know. Charlie Brown is kind of listless and depressed. Yeah, and Lucy and Peppermint Patty. Lucy's out there giving free advice or no charging for it advice. She's a working woman. It's great. Yeah, Look, it's time to play a game. No, I'm going to say to this is nothing for later. I'm not chewing on the mic. Do you want to play a game called gift or a curse or a game called Gift Master? 00:40:16 Speaker 4: Either one you pick. 00:40:18 Speaker 2: Let's play Gift Master. Okay, I need a number between one and ten eight. Okay, I have to do some light calculating to get what we're playing with here. So you can promote something, you can recommend something, you can share a recipe, do whatever you want. I'll be right back. 00:40:38 Speaker 3: I would like to encourage people to listen to the ask Arana podcast. Ask Rona with Brana and Brian comes out every Tuesday wherever you get your podcasts. 00:40:47 Speaker 4: It is an advice show. 00:40:50 Speaker 3: I'd call it comedic advice where we take real questions from real listeners write into us and we give real advice. 00:40:59 Speaker 2: And. 00:41:01 Speaker 3: You know, either it's good advice or it isn't. But the advice is not a joke. We're just funny while we give it. That is really something that someone else should take a pass at. That paraup. 00:41:15 Speaker 2: No that you know, that is the part of the podcast that the guest is kind of just thrown in the deep end. They don't see it coming. 00:41:24 Speaker 3: Well, I was gonna give the I was going to give the muffin recipe, which I could have, but I was a little worried I would get. 00:41:30 Speaker 2: You decided to withhold. You decided to withhold. 00:41:34 Speaker 3: You have to if you're a real baker or a real cook. I would never call myself a chef, so a real cook, you have to guard your recipes carefully because. 00:41:43 Speaker 4: Otherwise people will get them from other people. 00:41:46 Speaker 3: Right, they can google WCVB. 00:41:50 Speaker 4: Jordan Marsh muffins if they want to. 00:41:53 Speaker 2: This is how you play. I'm going to name three gifts, three potential things to give and three celebrities. The other till me which gift you'll give way celebrity? And why does that make sensek Yep? 00:42:02 Speaker 3: Very easy if I can if I can hold that much information in my brain for long enough. 00:42:06 Speaker 2: Yes, right, and I'm always happy to remind to circle back this kind of thing. These are the three gifts you're going to be giving. First, a rubber were wolf mask. So that's kind of a mask that I I guess makes you look like a were wolf Halloween Halloween, right, an, you can wear it. Let's let's not put rules on when you wear a were wolf mask. You can wear that anytime of the year. Throw it on Christmas morning, okay. Second gift is a pipe organ, so that's you know, an organ. You'll an expensive organ with the pipes, the works. It's like right right. And finally, the third gift is a premium docuseries with full editorial control. So this will be a docuseries about the person and they get the final say. Usually with a premium docuseries, You're on HBO, You're on Showtime. 00:43:00 Speaker 4: Billy Eil, this is my life for whatever that. 00:43:03 Speaker 2: I feel like a lot of pop stars are doing that now an unvarnished look. Okay. The people you're going to be giving them to are Janelle Monet, okay, Brooke Hogan, daughter of Hulk, and number three it's none other than Degenerous herself, Ellen Ellen Degenerous. So those are the three people. 00:43:28 Speaker 4: Interesting? 00:43:29 Speaker 2: Love it? Okay? 00:43:32 Speaker 4: Well of mask, the pipe organ and the docuseries. 00:43:37 Speaker 2: Right full editorial control. 00:43:41 Speaker 3: I knew for sure who I was giving the docuseries too, and now I'm not sure. 00:43:46 Speaker 4: Oh boy, so I was. Let's okay. 00:43:50 Speaker 3: I don't like that I've been painted into a corner now because the way I was gonna do this is not the way. 00:43:55 Speaker 4: I'm going to do it now. 00:43:57 Speaker 3: Anyone would expect me to say that I'm going to give the werewolf mask to Brok Coogan. 00:44:02 Speaker 4: Anyone would exact. But I really had been planning on giving her the docu series. 00:44:08 Speaker 2: Oh interesting, okay. 00:44:11 Speaker 3: But then when you threw Ellen in the truth is the thing that's interesting about the person having creative control is that that that's who they want you to believe they are, right, and so that's how they see themselves. Yes, and so I think it would be really interesting actually to see I think Ellen is a person in the last year who has struggled with this concept of her persona versus controlling. Yeah, right, and again I never worked on that show. 00:44:43 Speaker 4: I don't know what happened there. 00:44:44 Speaker 3: I just know that there was a kerfuffle during the pandemic about how people felt about the work environment, and now they've been treating right, and. 00:44:55 Speaker 4: So I think it would be really interesting. 00:44:58 Speaker 3: Generally I wouldn't want to watch to docu series about Ellen, but after a year like this, it would be sort of interesting to see what the curated version of her, what she thinks is, giving an all access look at her life, because I think no matter how much control she had, there would be stuff, much like jen Shaw, where you would be like, Wow, you thought that was a good thing to keep in. 00:45:23 Speaker 2: That's always the most interesting when the person has control and there's still something whe're like, oh, you let that pass through the You could have taken that out and you thought that that's okay. 00:45:32 Speaker 3: Behavior that tells you everything about what a person is about, right, So I think that that would actually probably be more interesting than I normally, I'd be more interested in it than normal given the events of the last year. Though, Brook Hogan, let's be honest, and there can't be there can't be a dull moment. 00:45:54 Speaker 2: There's not never what's happening in the life of a brook Hogan. 00:45:57 Speaker 4: We're gonna find I mean, it's a lot of smoothies. 00:45:59 Speaker 2: I think smoothies, a lot of road rage, a lot of like parking horizontally, a lot of. 00:46:11 Speaker 3: Right yeah, and then like phone calls with Hulk which are just like totally you know's what's Terry like as a dad? That's his real name, and the mother would make an appearance and you know all of that stuff. 00:46:27 Speaker 4: Janelle money the predictable. But I would give her. 00:46:29 Speaker 3: The organ because she has a beautiful voice, and I'd like to see her hire somebody to play that organ. 00:46:36 Speaker 4: With, you know, backing her kind of thing. 00:46:40 Speaker 2: Yeah, I can see that being kind of part of a show or maybe our next album is all just a full organ. 00:46:46 Speaker 5: Though. 00:46:47 Speaker 3: If we gave her the werewolf mask, she could do like a thriller. 00:46:50 Speaker 2: Video, Oh, thriller reborn. 00:46:54 Speaker 3: Yeah, and I could see a Thriller two point zero for her. I I feel like she could. 00:46:59 Speaker 2: Pull that off. 00:47:00 Speaker 4: It's kind of like the Girl and the Thriller video. 00:47:03 Speaker 2: But let's see her take on it. Yeah, she becomes the werewolf. Oh that's not a bad idea. 00:47:10 Speaker 3: That's a sort of modern feminist tone, you know, take on thriller a reinvention, and that leaves us. 00:47:18 Speaker 4: Of course, that's everybody. I guess, right, but I don't. 00:47:21 Speaker 2: I feel like you didn't. I think Brook is getting Yeah, you didn't commit to the final too. Is Brooke getting a were wolf mask or an organ? 00:47:28 Speaker 3: We really everyone wants to see Brooks show, right, We want to watch all Ellen. We get enough exposure from Ellen. Right, Okay, let's give brook the show because let's give Ellen the mask, and let's give no, let's give Janelle the mask, and let's give Ellen the organ, and we're going to chain her to it and she's gonna have to learn how to play it, and that's her her penance for whatever she may or may not have done wrong in this world. 00:47:54 Speaker 2: I will say my mind first went to the organ for Ellen. I felt like a cape on Ellen. She's probably got a giant cathedral on her property. She's blaring on that. That appeels to me what we're learning about her. She's on the organ, and you hear that kind of floating through the air outside her property brings sort of doom the you. I think that Ellen would be come. She would take very naturally to a pipe organ. 00:48:22 Speaker 4: I agree, Okay, So I think I think you. 00:48:25 Speaker 2: Did a very good job there. And I think Jenelle Money is someone who appreciates, you know, a good scare, yeah, and dressing up this kind of thing. 00:48:35 Speaker 4: I would like to see her do thriller. I think she could pull that off. 00:48:38 Speaker 2: I think that's a great idea. I really think that the entire, the whole Michael Jackson catalog should be sold for parts at this point. You know, there are a lot of great things there that I think, let's just take those old songs and let other people have them. Take the concept hard, It's. 00:48:55 Speaker 3: So hard because you'll be especially when that documentary came out, right in a store, one of his songs come on and they're just like they're undeniable. 00:49:04 Speaker 2: Right, So if we just get let's give Janelle the songs. 00:49:07 Speaker 4: Yeah, let's see Janelle makes something of those. 00:49:12 Speaker 3: And who doesn't want to see Brooke Bellia or Blea, however you say their last name, Let's see that. 00:49:19 Speaker 4: Let's see Brooke Hogan. 00:49:20 Speaker 3: They did have a mini they did have a reality show for a little while. 00:49:24 Speaker 2: Though, oh don't. 00:49:26 Speaker 4: Of course they did, but she was like a teenager then. 00:49:29 Speaker 2: Now that she's in her late sixties, Yeah, yeah, I think the reality of the docu series is what Brook needs to be doing. I want to give her like editorial control to the point that she's on iMovie editing it. I want to see what that looks like. Boy oh boy, just a slap together. Okay, we've got to move on. You did an excellent job. You didn't lose. This is the part of the podcast called I said no emails, and I think you're going to be very good at this because I've asked Grana. People are right in they're asking about gifts, situations, gifts to give people, this kind of thing they're writing into. I said, no gifts at gmail dot com. I should be clear, we do. 00:50:08 Speaker 4: A lot of gifts. 00:50:10 Speaker 3: That's a big part of what we do on Ask Grana because that's another thing we were talking about the food thing before. But right, I just think it's cool when you can give someone a gift that's specific to them and addresses their needs at a point. 00:50:26 Speaker 2: It just a little hole in their life. You, by the way, gave me some coffee, yes, of course. 00:50:31 Speaker 3: But also we do a giveaway every week when we pick one question that just speaks to us, uh huh, and then we do a giveaway for that person that we feel like just needs a little something. 00:50:42 Speaker 2: I think that's wonderful. I would steal that if you didn't do it already. Well, this is the podcast about gifts that does not give gifts, So don't come asking for a gift. 00:50:51 Speaker 3: It only receives them. 00:50:54 Speaker 2: Okay, let's answer some questions here. This first one says deer Bridge are an esteemed guest. I'm desperate. I've been fish sitting for a friend while she's in Hawaii. Earlier today, I showed up at her place to find that one of her fish has died. I texted her immediately, interrupting her beach time with the sad news. She kindly said I should provide a respectful toilet side service, and she was grateful for my reverence in the matter. I flushed the fish and then turned my attention to the surviving two bridger. I swear I'm not making this up, but another fish died in the meantime. Again, my friend was kind and understanding, and she went so far as to say perhaps the fish pals had waited for her to leave before dying, to protect her from the pain of their deaths. But the upshot for me is that I feel like a murderer. This is getting very complicated, and dare I say, confusing, I'm going to use it off. Okay, you keep the clear mind here while I finished this thing. I want to get her gift when she returns. Obviously not to fish, right, but our flowers sufficient. Please advise it earliest convenience, Thanks in advance. That's from Susan. So, okay, Susan has killed two pets and there's some emotional things happening here. 00:52:09 Speaker 3: Yes, I don't know if it's Susan's fault, because there's a thing with the ecosystem of an aquarium is very important, how much how oxygenated the air is, and that's a thing, so I don't know. Again, we don't know the tank set up here, So it may be that it was Susan's job to put some drops in the water or not or whatever, so she may have killed these fish. But it may also be that like the air hose to the aquarium is not right, or the water wasn't changed or something like that. So I'm not going to give Susan full culpability for these fish. 00:52:44 Speaker 4: I'm just going to say that they died on her watch. 00:52:46 Speaker 2: Right, and we can't rule out the possibility that she was set up. Maybe this friend went out of town with that yes, knowing. 00:52:53 Speaker 3: That she could collect the insurance money for the vicious deaths she got back. Normally I would say that's the way the cookie crumbles. This woman's lucky that you took care for fish and these things happened. And sure it's a bummer and you feel bad. But because of the dramatic response. The idea, which is a thing of course, that for sentient beings that sometimes people cannot they can't have their loved ones around them when they pass away because they are worried about staying there for those people, and they need the they need the permission, permission to go. Basically, yes, I actually think a little bouquet of flowers on the table with a note sort of tongue in cheek, you know, I'm sorry for your loss or whatever. 00:53:45 Speaker 4: Would be well received. 00:53:47 Speaker 2: Yes. Otherwise, you can. 00:53:48 Speaker 3: Do a donation to the Jacques cous Do Society. 00:53:53 Speaker 2: Those are excellent. You could also maybe a painting of the fish. That might be a little more expensive. I mean, I guess it depends on how attached this person became to the fish. And I don't know that anyone ever gets that attached to fish. Do you know somebody who's been, you know, really emotional. 00:54:10 Speaker 3: Attached to a fish. Yeah, it's usually children. 00:54:14 Speaker 4: Right where they. 00:54:15 Speaker 3: Write they're attached to the idea of having a pet. But you know then they of course don't feed them and they die. Or but a fish painting is very funny and nice. 00:54:28 Speaker 4: But I don't know, you're to me, you're feeding into the drama of this. 00:54:32 Speaker 2: And this person is placing way too much on the inner lives of these fish. You may have. 00:54:38 Speaker 3: Taken some photos of the fish though, to send her like I don't know if over the week you said to photo. 00:54:43 Speaker 2: I thought you were saying she had taken them of them. 00:54:47 Speaker 3: Of the ceremony in the toilet, the flushing ceremony. Obviously this woman has lost fish before. If she was like a tasteful toilet side ceremonies, fine, But I think if you had, if you took some pictures this week and they were good, you could also do that. You could do like there's that site whatever it is, framebridge dot com or something where you can send a picture and then they send a thing back. 00:55:11 Speaker 2: But I think a puzzle, yeah's put too much weight on it. Susan, you did her a favor, and for all we know, she wanted the fish dead and that may be the gift all around. 00:55:23 Speaker 4: Yeah, don't rule that dateline aspect out of this. 00:55:27 Speaker 2: Never. That's the one thing you must never do is rule out a dateline angle, because there's always a dateline angle totally. Let's answer one more question. Let's see here. This one says dear Bridger and guest, what in the hell am I supposed to get my sister's fiance for his birthday. I'm visiting their house for a few days after my sister's birthday and her fiances. We're getting a lot of connections there and her fiance birthday. 00:55:54 Speaker 3: This is always with our questions. It's always a word problem. 00:55:57 Speaker 2: Always. Yeah, I need like a family tree. Two sentences in, and it's very confusing. I'm visiting her house a few days after my sister's birthday, and her fiance's birthday is shortly after that, so I feel obligated to bring a gift for him as well. He's turning thirty one, likes video games and plays music. For Christmas, I got him a gift card to a local convenience store and some beer Okay, this man is not even my brother in law yet, and I'm already out of gift ideas for him now that I think about it. He didn't even tell me Happy Birthday this year. Oh okay, now we're just digging in. Must I get him a birthday gift? Let me know your thoughts, love, Alison. Okay, I mean, short answer, Alison, of course you don't have to get him a gift now. I mean it sounds like you got him a gift card to a convenience store. You've been phoning it in from the moment you met this person that said you. Obviously there's something going on in her mind that she feels like she needs to get him something. Do you get like in laws or anybody a gift? 00:56:57 Speaker 3: I get my brother's wife things, Okay, because I like her very much, and because she appreciates a nice gift, and that's a nice. 00:57:10 Speaker 4: Part of our relationship. 00:57:11 Speaker 3: It's a way for I don't see her that often, but she's a terrific person and a great mom and a great you know, partner with for my brother, and I just like her. 00:57:24 Speaker 4: So I guess it's more like buying a friend a gift. 00:57:27 Speaker 2: Yes, exactly, and so it's. 00:57:29 Speaker 4: Fun to buy her presence because she appreciates them, and it's fun and she likes good stuff. 00:57:36 Speaker 3: But as I said, there's six kids in my family and I can't think of anybody else in anybody else's life, actually my brother probably she's Yeah, there isn't anyone else that I buy anything for or at Christmas anything like that. 00:57:52 Speaker 4: What am I? 00:57:53 Speaker 3: As I said, my earning power has gone way down this year. No, I haven't been able to launch my perview. I haven't been able to star in the new uh, you know, Death on the Nile that I was supposed to be in. 00:58:07 Speaker 2: And you were supposed to have play the Army Hammer role and. 00:58:11 Speaker 3: I was supposed to be replacing Armie Hammer, but then the studio decided that the picture was taking too much eat and Galgadote was not available for reshoots. So okay, But back to this brother in law in law, I really think this is about Allison. I don't know why Alison thinks that she needs to get this guy who's maybe maybe going to stay not stay in the picture a gift. 00:58:39 Speaker 4: I also think for the most part. 00:58:41 Speaker 3: Boys don't care about gifts and so and if they do there's something weird about that, Like you're describing You're describing a like smelly video game playing boy. 00:58:53 Speaker 2: He's in a bean bag chair. 00:58:54 Speaker 3: Yeah, like what does he need? Like something for the carpal tunnel and his thumbs? You know, like they it just doesn't occur to them to want anything other than they fetishize the stuff they want and they get it for themselves. A great gift that I often do, which you could do if you want to, but it does require you going back to the convenience store is scratch tickets. 00:59:21 Speaker 2: That's an excellent that covers everybody. 00:59:23 Speaker 3: So when it's someone's birthday, you get them. However, many thirty one scratch tickets right, and people love. 00:59:30 Speaker 4: To scratch scratch tickets and they think it's funny. 00:59:32 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean my big fear with giving a scratch ticket is what if they win big and it just. 00:59:37 Speaker 4: I'd be so mad. Yeah, I mean, but you can always joke we're fifty to fifty on this. You could be a little joke. 00:59:45 Speaker 2: Yeah, scratchers take some more beer. I don't think he I mean, he's not gonna notice. Just show up. 00:59:52 Speaker 4: It's your sister's job to get him a gift. 00:59:54 Speaker 2: Right. You could write a card if. 00:59:56 Speaker 3: You want to, I mean, if you just want to acknowledge the day. But you're your sister is your sister, of course you're going to get her something. If this guy expects you to get something just because you got your sister or something, there's already another problem. 01:00:08 Speaker 2: He didn't tell her Happy birthday, and you're alone, Yes, set. 01:00:11 Speaker 3: Up these expectations now, which is like, what do you want to give this guy gifts for the rest of your life? 01:00:16 Speaker 2: Forgetting right? Escalating and soon? I mean, you're already out of ideas. You don't want to be trapped in that never ending loop. Now, Alison, I think you know in your heart, even before you began writing this email, that you didn't need to get him a gift, and so just don't do it. 01:00:33 Speaker 4: Just uh, I know? But Alison can't not do anything. 01:00:38 Speaker 2: Well, she's now been given she's been given the go away. 01:00:41 Speaker 3: Well, she's worried about this is the guy that didn't say happy birthday to her. But she's the kind of person who is worried that people will say, did you know Alison didn't get him anything on his birthday? 01:00:50 Speaker 4: She doesn't want to be talked about in that way. 01:00:54 Speaker 2: Do you think that she's worried that he didn't say Happy Birthday because he doesn't like her and she's trying to win him over, So it is a desperate attempt to get in his good graces. 01:01:04 Speaker 4: It would be more about sticking it to him, I think than winning him over. 01:01:08 Speaker 2: That makes sense. It's kind of a spie gift, but. 01:01:11 Speaker 3: I think Alison cares a little bit about appearances inside of the family. On the other hand, as mentioned, she got him a six pack of beer and a gift card to seven eleven so, which, by the way, was probably his favorite gift he got that year. 01:01:25 Speaker 2: I wasn't aware you could get a gift card to a convenience store, but you know, we're always learning. 01:01:31 Speaker 4: I think you can get a gift card to anything. Now. 01:01:34 Speaker 3: That's my favorite on whatever it is. Door Dash one of these things that they will you make your order and they say you do you need anything from seven to eleven? You have nine minutes to decide. I've never done it, but I'm always like mostly because I'm like, I don't want to make the driver go into seven. 01:01:52 Speaker 2: You know, it's so they have another stop on the way to bring in your food. 01:01:57 Speaker 4: I think they just leave the house a little early. 01:01:59 Speaker 3: That is very But I'm like mom, some gatorade and some cheetos, I mean tobacco. 01:02:05 Speaker 2: Yes, I don't know what I need. Yeah, switch your sweets. I don't know what I need. 01:02:09 Speaker 4: A light bulb. But I kind of love that they offer. I've never taken them. 01:02:15 Speaker 2: Up on it, but right, look, I've had a wonderful time and now I have a basket of muffins I can enjoy. 01:02:21 Speaker 3: I hope you will enjoy them. Please don't tell Jim about them. 01:02:24 Speaker 2: Whatever you do, I'm going to hide them away. I'm going to put them in the covert. No, he's going to demand one, and I will think about it. 01:02:32 Speaker 4: They are best eaten on the day, I'll say. 01:02:35 Speaker 2: I think that's true of almost every baked good outside of you know, I like a peanut butter cookie the second day. I think that the flavor comes out more the second day in a peanut butter cookie. 01:02:46 Speaker 3: Do you like a pure peanut butter cookie or do you like the ones that have the like that are sort of gourmet nutter butters. 01:02:53 Speaker 2: Oh, I'll take either. I love any form of a nutter butter. So if one's made a home. I think that's still a sh. 01:03:00 Speaker 4: Near where you live. 01:03:01 Speaker 3: There is a store called and you can bleep it out if you want to. Again, I don't want you to be you know, I don't want someone else stealing your neighbor's truck. 01:03:09 Speaker 4: I've already done that, So. 01:03:11 Speaker 2: That truck is going to pass through a lot of hands at this point. Is there's a store called Cookbook. Have you been there? 01:03:18 Speaker 4: Oh? 01:03:18 Speaker 2: I've been tempted to go in, and only recently have I been, like, maybe it's starting to be safe to go in. 01:03:24 Speaker 3: Oh, well, it's very safe to go in there because they and I will tell you just now that I have not been in almost any I send my beloved into the fire to get everything, and and I get and I don't, but he has been there many times. And they have a two person rule in the store. Oh so when you see the line outside you to you, I think you get ten minutes in the store, which actually is better than normal. I used to live in Echo Park and that was where their first location was, and I love it. It's basically like a farmer's market that they go get the stuff for you, and so they have incredible your cheese person they have incredible Jesus, right, And one of the baked goods that they have is a peanut butter cookie that is really two peanut butter cookies with like a peanut butter cream in the middle. But it's it's more like a peanut butter than a frosting. 01:04:22 Speaker 2: Right, I think, And I think that's the key. You don't want it to be too sweet. 01:04:25 Speaker 4: Yes, exactly, And so if you love a peanut butter cookie, this is the peanut butter cookie for you. 01:04:30 Speaker 2: Oh, once these muffins are gone, maybe I'll have to go. Yeah there, that's an incredible hint. So there you go, Tip, I suppose, Jess. It's been so fun having you here. It's just been a delight. 01:04:42 Speaker 3: It's been a pleasure. And I'm so glad I wasn't in Monte Carlo. 01:04:50 Speaker 2: That's next week you'll be jetting off in I'll be back. Yeah. 01:04:53 Speaker 1: Yeah. 01:04:56 Speaker 2: Well, this is the end of the podcast and I always have a hard time wrapping it up. People know that, and they're getting used to it. The hate mail is slowing down, and so I now have my muffins. That's something I have to take care of today. And I if you somewhere out there, have something you need to take care of. I hope you can do that. Maybe make yourself some muffins. Look up this recipe from Jessica and go listen to ask Rana, which I love. And it's just a It was. 01:05:22 Speaker 4: Such a pleasure to have you on the show. 01:05:24 Speaker 2: It was one of my faint It's a pleasure to be on it. 01:05:26 Speaker 3: Because we didn't know each other before, which was funny this morning when you said, oh, it's nice to meet you, and I was alarmed by because I was already convinced we were best friends, and I was alarmed. 01:05:38 Speaker 4: That you would dare pull such a power move on me. 01:05:41 Speaker 3: And then I remembered that not only had we never met in person, I had never Only Rana had met you, and I had not. 01:05:49 Speaker 4: So I guess that shows people a little bit about just how thin my process is. 01:05:55 Speaker 2: Well, from here on out, every time I see you, I'm going to say nice to meet you. I'm going to keep this dynamic as long as I possibly can. Oh, thank you so much for being here, Thanks for granting it. Okay, listener, get out of here, do what you need to do, take care of yourself. 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