Speaker 1: Welcome to the Clubhouse with Shane Bacon. I am your host,
Speaker 1: Shane Bacon, and we've got a lengthy one for you
Speaker 1: this week. My pal Joel Klatt at Fox jumps on
Speaker 1: the talk toward championship in the FedEx Cup and the
Speaker 1: year that was in twenty nineteen, and then we hit
Speaker 1: on him helping out with the golf team this year
Speaker 1: at the Opens. And then we got into some college football,
Speaker 1: just some preview stuff, very top of the surface, but
Speaker 1: I thought you'd like it. And then we had on
Speaker 1: Andrew Luck at the end because Joe Claid I felt
Speaker 1: would be a great person to touch on Luck, and
Speaker 1: as a guy that went through some injuries and went
Speaker 1: through a lot of stuff as a quarterback himself, I
Speaker 1: thought he was a first person expert on such a thing,
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Speaker 1: the clubhouse, the lead analyst for Fox's primetime college football
Speaker 1: games that changed this year There at noon. Joel Klatt's
Speaker 1: gonna have to get up earlier this year. First game
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Speaker 1: can follow him on Twitter at Joel Clatt and he's
Speaker 1: now got him self a fancy Instagram. That one is
Speaker 1: Joel Underscore class and Joel. That's what happens when you
Speaker 1: wait so long to get on the social media trainings.
Speaker 1: You've got to change your names. You don't even have
Speaker 1: a consistent social media handle. I know, I'm so old.
Speaker 1: Um yeah, it took me a while to get uh
Speaker 1: into the insta generation. But I do like it more
Speaker 1: because it's more positive. Twitter is just like it's just
Speaker 1: like the old Chappelle show, Like if you have hate
Speaker 1: in your heart, let it out. Instagram is like actually
Speaker 1: where like hope and wonder still exists. At least there's
Speaker 1: belief in the good out there. It might be a lie.
Speaker 1: Your life might be a complete it might be a complete, false,
Speaker 1: false presentation of who and what you are, but hey,
Speaker 1: at least I can look at it and go, man,
Speaker 1: that person works out a lot. That is a lot
Speaker 1: of working out to do. I want to ask about
Speaker 1: your gram is exactly that. It's what you hope your
Speaker 1: life or wish your life was like, whereas Twitter is
Speaker 1: the angst of the reality of what your life actually is.
Speaker 1: So it's just bitterness. It is. It's definitely bitter. There
Speaker 1: was there was some fun Twitter stuff this week, and
Speaker 1: obviously we got the Tour Championship, we got Rory versus Kepka.
Speaker 1: Before we get to that. Personally, you're a guy that,
Speaker 1: as we all know now loves golf and we did
Speaker 1: a great job this year as a part of our
Speaker 1: coverage at the Opens. Does the golf go down a
Speaker 1: whole bunch starting this week? Is the round's gonna be
Speaker 1: deducted on your gen app after after football starts. It's
Speaker 1: such a depressing moment because I'm so excited for the season, right,
Speaker 1: I really am, and I love what I do. But
Speaker 1: I walked away from the course when was it Friday?
Speaker 1: When it was and I I was like, this is
Speaker 1: it for a while? My handicap is about to explode. Yes,
Speaker 1: and so you know, I might play, might play. I
Speaker 1: would say between I don't know four and six times
Speaker 1: the rest of the football season. So it's definitely sad
Speaker 1: and my rounds go down like crazy. Although this is
Speaker 1: when you can get your handicap up a little bit
Speaker 1: because it's tough to as you know, listen, this is
Speaker 1: like lamenting about a positive thing, but when you play
Speaker 1: at twelve or an eight handicap and you're, you know,
Speaker 1: down there and you're you're basically giving them their entire
Speaker 1: be of strokes. I don't know how many twelves shoot
Speaker 1: seventy eight against me, but I just I'm like, you're
Speaker 1: not a twelve. I'm like, screw you, You're not a twelve.
Speaker 1: Was that seventy seven again? Awesome? Awesome? Make sure you
Speaker 1: plug that one in the in the old phone. Well,
Speaker 1: somebody that that doesn't have to battle much with strokes
Speaker 1: in terms of giving them to players is is Rory mclroy.
Speaker 1: And I mean, we're coming off the end of the
Speaker 1: twenty nineteen season wraps up with a Rory mclroy win.
Speaker 1: Of course, he won the Tour Championship again, he wins
Speaker 1: the FedEx Cup. And it was I think, and I'd
Speaker 1: love to hear your thoughts on this. I think it
Speaker 1: was much needed. I mean, this is a guy in
Speaker 1: Rory mclroy. The trend was starting when he was playing
Speaker 1: next to a big name player in a big moment
Speaker 1: he struggled And I'm just gonna roll some off for you, Joel.
Speaker 1: You gotta go back to the masters. The third round
Speaker 1: he was in the final group at Jordan's Speed when
Speaker 1: Speith was playing unbelievable. Started the day a shot back
Speaker 1: of Speed, He shot seventy seven and didn't make a birdie.
Speaker 1: The next year he's three back of Patrick Reed. Of course,
Speaker 1: he flags it on two, has a little short one
Speaker 1: for eagle misses that goes on to shoot seventy four.
Speaker 1: Wasn't really a factor after that. The Tour Championship last year,
Speaker 1: playing alongside Tiger three shots back, goes out in thirty nine,
Speaker 1: shoot seventy four. Never in the conversation at all, just
Speaker 1: really just kind of a person walking alongside Tiger and
Speaker 1: that scrum at eighteen. And then you go to that
Speaker 1: w GC event playing with brooks Kepta. He was leading
Speaker 1: Kepto by a shot going into the final round there
Speaker 1: paired together. It was this big moment for golf fans
Speaker 1: to get to see these two head go head to
Speaker 1: head and kept a shoot sixty five, Rory shoots seventy one,
Speaker 1: loses by five. It was Rory's a guy we've known
Speaker 1: to be a great front runner. That's how he's won
Speaker 1: a lot of his major championships. But I think this
Speaker 1: was a really big moment for him to step up. Look,
Speaker 1: Brooks KEPTI in the eye, number one player in the
Speaker 1: world and take him down on the golf course alongside him.
Speaker 1: Did you agree with that? I mean, he he knew.
Speaker 1: He pointed to that that day in Memphis that you
Speaker 1: were talking about the w g C with Brooks directly,
Speaker 1: and he said how disappointing that was, and how he
Speaker 1: wanted to remedy that and fix that and come out there.
Speaker 1: And he talked about not being able to take the
Speaker 1: fight to Tiger last year UM in the Tour Championship
Speaker 1: in that final round, and how he was just walking
Speaker 1: along and how he was probably the only guy not
Speaker 1: enjoying that walk up the eight team UM last year
Speaker 1: in Atlanta. I would even go to the to the
Speaker 1: w g C in Austin when he was, you know,
Speaker 1: played the match play against Tiger, and he wasn't really
Speaker 1: in that one either. And here's Tiger who's still you know,
Speaker 1: hadn't won the Masters yet, he had won the Tour Championship,
Speaker 1: was just slowly getting back into the year, and Tiger
Speaker 1: beat him pretty soundly UM on that day in in Austin.
Speaker 1: So know, I think there's lots of of instances that
Speaker 1: we're creeping up into the back of Rory's mind. And
Speaker 1: maybe it's because that was at the forefront of what
Speaker 1: we were talking about in the golf media. Um. And
Speaker 1: then there's one other factor to this, And and Shane,
Speaker 1: I think that everybody watches golf now this is this
Speaker 1: is there is a point of demarcation and the sports lifespan,
Speaker 1: and it's before Tiger and after Tiger. We expect our
Speaker 1: stars to close it out every time, to make the
Speaker 1: put every time. That's what we think great golfers do.
Speaker 1: And and like it or not, if you're Rory, that's
Speaker 1: the standard for you because of your talent. You know,
Speaker 1: if you're talented enough to do what he's been able
Speaker 1: to do and shoot some of the scorts that he's
Speaker 1: been able to shoot, um win by as many shots
Speaker 1: as he's been able to win, and in some of
Speaker 1: the biggest championships on Earth, then we expect you to
Speaker 1: do it as consistently as Tiger used to do it.
Speaker 1: And and I don't know if that's reality. I think
Speaker 1: that the reality the sport is more what Rory is
Speaker 1: giving us, even from insanely talented players. I don't know
Speaker 1: if you agree with that or not. But I think
Speaker 1: that it's an expectation management type of conversation for golf fans.
Speaker 1: Maybe we expect too much from Rory McElroy. Um when
Speaker 1: we see the type of consistency and greatness that we've
Speaker 1: seen from Tiger Woods and even from other guys that
Speaker 1: kind of jump up for a little bit, like a
Speaker 1: Brooks kept up. But I'll tell you this, Brooks didn't
Speaker 1: show up yesterday and I don't see people jumping all
Speaker 1: over his throat. I mean, he was somewhat of a
Speaker 1: non factor and he was the one with the one
Speaker 1: shot lead. If I'm not taking so um, I don't know.
Speaker 1: Maybe maybe it's the way we view it, Shane, and
Speaker 1: and there's also a little bit of Rory needed that
Speaker 1: and he certainly addressed that after the round. Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: interesting you bring up the Kepka thing because you're right,
Speaker 1: nobody's really mentioning that he didn't play great with the
Speaker 1: lead going into it alongside reemaca Roy. And it's funny
Speaker 1: you talk about perception over reality and Bruce Kepka's ability
Speaker 1: to burst on the scene winning these major championships. If
Speaker 1: you think about his year this year, and I mean
Speaker 1: He's had an unbelievab year. He's probably gonna be Player
Speaker 1: of the Year. It's something we're gonna get into. But
Speaker 1: you know, he had a chance on seventeen and eighteen
Speaker 1: at August to make those birdies and put the pressure
Speaker 1: on Tiger. And the put on eighteen I I can
Speaker 1: I consistently say is one of the worst puts that
Speaker 1: you will see under the gun, because I mean it
Speaker 1: wasn't even close to going in. And if you think
Speaker 1: about the way he started on Sunday at the US Open,
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, he he he was. He got
Speaker 1: off to such a hot start, and of course those
Speaker 1: first seven holes of the holes you can do it at.
Speaker 1: But then you go to the Open Championship and and
Speaker 1: it was a completely reversed It was a complete reversal
Speaker 1: of what he did there. It was a brutal start
Speaker 1: playing alongside J. B. Holmes, And again, I feel like
Speaker 1: we don't touch on that. I don't know why we
Speaker 1: don't do it for Kepka and we tend to do
Speaker 1: it for Rory, But that seems to be the approach
Speaker 1: we in the media to have for both those players. Well,
Speaker 1: I remember, I'm gonna I'm gonna miss the exact number
Speaker 1: of holes. But Brooks, I want to say, played his
Speaker 1: last eleven or thirteen holes of that Sunday at the
Speaker 1: US Open in one over par. You know he yes,
Speaker 1: Yet did he come out hot? Yes, he did on
Speaker 1: the easiest holes on the course, and then nothing, you
Speaker 1: know after that, it would mean nothing was going. I mean,
Speaker 1: the plots weren't dropping, and that was kind of a
Speaker 1: little bit. I mean, it's crazy because these are the
Speaker 1: two guys that are vying for Player of the Year.
Speaker 1: I mean, these are the two guys that are going
Speaker 1: to win it. It's probably gonna bey Brooks Kepka, but
Speaker 1: I mean there's gonna be some rumblings um from PG
Speaker 1: eight tour people about what Rory did in those events.
Speaker 1: And I mean I would vote for Brooks kept a
Speaker 1: hundred times over a hundred considering this season, especially how
Speaker 1: he played in the major championships. And don't you think
Speaker 1: it's just a matter of I think that some of
Speaker 1: the people that are closer to the tour are going
Speaker 1: to try to value the tour and they're gonna look
Speaker 1: at strokes gained, and they're gonna look at Analyz Dix
Speaker 1: and they're gonna look at the players because there's a
Speaker 1: disproportionate value on the players from people close to the
Speaker 1: tour and the network that does the players versus the
Speaker 1: rest of the Gulf world, and how we value the players.
Speaker 1: Championship it's just an okay event, great you know, you
Speaker 1: can tell me how great it is, doll the cows
Speaker 1: come home. It's just not The course is not major
Speaker 1: championship level. It's a great field. It's a great field,
Speaker 1: and it presents some amazing theater with the difficulty of
Speaker 1: those last two holes. But it's just not a great course.
Speaker 1: And and you can't tell me now, I know, I listen,
Speaker 1: I understand that it's it's the next card when brought
Speaker 1: up when talking about Hall of Fame or great minister
Speaker 1: or so on and so forth. But I'm voting for
Speaker 1: Brooks kept a hundred times out of a hundred as well.
Speaker 1: I thought he was more consistent over the course of
Speaker 1: the season, even though his strokes game number is not
Speaker 1: gonna be what Rory's was. But but he did it
Speaker 1: in the events that I think history will deem matter more.
Speaker 1: And and he was right there and virtually every major
Speaker 1: championship with a chance and got it done in one
Speaker 1: of them. Um, I think it's a brooks Kepta year.
Speaker 1: And I think if you were going to argue, and
Speaker 1: I know we'll get into this a little bit later
Speaker 1: as well. I think if you were to ask me
Speaker 1: who was hurt most by the format this year in
Speaker 1: the FedEx Cup, I would say it was brooks Kepta.
Speaker 1: And you've got to expand on that. Is that just
Speaker 1: because it's it was three events just running through right
Speaker 1: after some of the events he wanted and was playing.
Speaker 1: I just I just I left it open ended. Didn't
Speaker 1: sorry you did like the radio that was like the
Speaker 1: radio thing. I'm very impressed, Like, we'll be right back,
Speaker 1: this is coming up next, We'll be right back, joy
Speaker 1: Brooks kept actually had a bad season. Let me tell
Speaker 1: you about the VOVO first. So, um, I thought that
Speaker 1: the playoff events, the two playoff events were overvalued for
Speaker 1: Justin Thomas and Patrick Read. I thought that the season
Speaker 1: that Brooks had, regardless of what happened in those playoff events,
Speaker 1: and he should have basically had the lead in the
Speaker 1: Tour Championship to start rather than Justin Thomas. I thought
Speaker 1: that was the only thing I didn't like. I actually
Speaker 1: really liked the staggered start. I know I might not.
Speaker 1: I might be in the minority on that in particularly
Speaker 1: with some of the purest They hated this this staggered
Speaker 1: start type of a deal and how we were, you know,
Speaker 1: just aligning strokes rather than points. I thought it was great.
Speaker 1: I thought it made yesterday really good. I thought it
Speaker 1: made the shots more pressure packed because the players knew
Speaker 1: exactly what they were for. Brooks Kepta is putting on
Speaker 1: the eighteenth hole for the equivalent and Paul brought it
Speaker 1: up right away, the equivalent of a million dollars times.
Speaker 1: Does anybody have a million dollar put in their life?
Speaker 1: He had one yesterday. Um, you can look at the
Speaker 1: bounce that Rory got on the on the left style
Speaker 1: of what was it? Was? It beat? Yeah, when he
Speaker 1: when he pulled that wedge and it looked like it
Speaker 1: was going to go in the drink. And the bill
Speaker 1: as a bill hustle because I remember that the holes
Speaker 1: everything used to be flipped. That was the bill hoss
Speaker 1: save hole and he got he got a great break
Speaker 1: there too. I mean that's a that's a what a
Speaker 1: ten million dollar break? I mean, you know it was
Speaker 1: such it was such a bad it's like that format.
Speaker 1: But I just thought that the two playoffs events going
Speaker 1: in were overvalued and and I thought that they tried
Speaker 1: to make those two big they tried to make I
Speaker 1: think that they try to make it way too much
Speaker 1: about the playoffs. You know, It's like, listen, it's not
Speaker 1: the playoffs. Just let the season roll into the Tour
Speaker 1: Championship and then stagger the start, and I think we
Speaker 1: would have just as good, um kind of of of
Speaker 1: a finish to the season. So I thought Brooks should
Speaker 1: have entered the Tour Championship with how he played all
Speaker 1: year with the lead, he should have been in the
Speaker 1: Justin Thomas position. And that's why I think he was
Speaker 1: hurt most by the format. Yeah, you know, it's I've
Speaker 1: I've preached this a lot, and you and I are
Speaker 1: in total agreement here. There is an agenda to push
Speaker 1: stuff and make it a bigger deal than it is.
Speaker 1: You know what golf has going for it is the
Speaker 1: players dictate the pressure of the event. We can say
Speaker 1: all we want about it, but when you really really
Speaker 1: get down to the nitty gritty, for these guys, the
Speaker 1: majors matter more. Somebody like Rory McElroy is circling the
Speaker 1: Major's brooks Kepta is circling the Major's Tiger Phil Ricky
Speaker 1: on down the line, these guys are circling those events
Speaker 1: as the ones that mean way more to them, and
Speaker 1: the money doesn't matter. They could go out there and
Speaker 1: play for free. It's a little bit like the Ryder Cup.
Speaker 1: They could make the purse zero dollars for the major
Speaker 1: championships and the guys would still play in it, knowing
Speaker 1: what comes with a Master's victory or a US Open
Speaker 1: title or an Open championship for p G A. And
Speaker 1: I also think that to your point on the players
Speaker 1: and your point on this the FedEx Cup is it
Speaker 1: can be great too. It's not a major title. There's
Speaker 1: no reason to push it out there as such. But
Speaker 1: on Sunday, Brooks Keptcott and Rory you're playing in the finals.
Speaker 1: We're gonna watch that. People are gonna watch that. Sports
Speaker 1: fans are gonna pay attention to that. And I said
Speaker 1: something on Twitter again, going back to the positivity of Twitter,
Speaker 1: I said something about the excitement of Sunday and how
Speaker 1: pumped I was that we were getting Captain and Rory
Speaker 1: again in the final group. Especially what I mentioned had
Speaker 1: just happened at the w g C. And somebody goes, well,
Speaker 1: the money doesn't matter at all, you know, we're there
Speaker 1: for the players. I said, well, that's every golf event
Speaker 1: outside of major's, I mean outside of the major's. If
Speaker 1: it's a great final round leaderboard, you are going to
Speaker 1: watch it, golf fan A, B and C. And if
Speaker 1: it's a mediocre leaderboard, you're probably gonna watch it. And
Speaker 1: if it's terrible, and maybe you won't. But I mean,
Speaker 1: golf fans watch good golf and good players play it
Speaker 1: no matter the circumstance. Yeah, listen, I'm I'm in full
Speaker 1: agreement with that, and and I get it from a
Speaker 1: business standpoint, and the tour in particular and maybe some
Speaker 1: of the networks they've got to try to drum up support.
Speaker 1: But when you have it, you know, I don't know,
Speaker 1: I guess I when you've got great championship at hand,
Speaker 1: it speaks for itself, you know. And so I was
Speaker 1: all in yesterday, whether it was for fifteen million or not,
Speaker 1: the same I was watching Memphis. Yeah, that's just the way.
Speaker 1: I don't I don't know if that makes us like
Speaker 1: golf junkies versus just the casual golf fan. Does the
Speaker 1: fifteen million make it more interesting to the casual golf fan.
Speaker 1: I'm not sure. I do think it's interesting when you're
Speaker 1: talking about the back nine and you're seeing these guys
Speaker 1: that are the best players in the world and they've
Speaker 1: they've like Xander Shockley hit a really average I believe
Speaker 1: into the Uh what was it? Oh, I can't now
Speaker 1: a sixteen hole. I'm so bad at which hole it was.
Speaker 1: But he had a wed it's THET And I'm like, well,
Speaker 1: that's because he's playing for millions of dollars. So all
Speaker 1: these people that all and that's another Twitter tough guy,
Speaker 1: muscles the mooney doesn't out of these guys, Yes, it done.
Speaker 1: Fifteen million matters to anybody, of course it does. I
Speaker 1: don't care if it's Brooks kept or not. And that
Speaker 1: he's made, you know, six million dollars this year or
Speaker 1: however much he's made. Let's just say for sake of argument,
Speaker 1: Brooks kepco has made ten million dollars this year off
Speaker 1: the course and on the course, and he's got a
Speaker 1: put yesterday for the equivalent of a million dollars. He
Speaker 1: makes it, he makes four and a half. He misses it.
Speaker 1: He makes three and a half, you might think, well,
Speaker 1: who cares four and a half three and it's a
Speaker 1: billion dollars. That's a tenth of his income. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: put you on the green for a tenth of your
Speaker 1: income and see how you feel about it. Well, it's
Speaker 1: it's like I was watching million dollar listing last night
Speaker 1: and these homes are in New York. It's fifteen six,
Speaker 1: and the person that's trying to buy it is like, no,
Speaker 1: I want to offer fifteen four. And it's like, well,
Speaker 1: they can afford a fifteen million dollar home, but they're
Speaker 1: not gonna pay two hundred thousand more than they want
Speaker 1: to pay just because they have fifteen million to spend.
Speaker 1: They're just not going to And you know, it's it's
Speaker 1: like like the whole telling, like explaining things to people.
Speaker 1: It's this is serious pressure, because this is serious money
Speaker 1: for Rory Mcinpoie, Brooks, Capca or anyone it is. It
Speaker 1: is life changing money for people that have already made
Speaker 1: life changing money. And that is why I think that
Speaker 1: the FedEx Cup works, and why I think that when
Speaker 1: people complain about the FedEx Cup, they're just complaining because again,
Speaker 1: it's talked to them too much. I mean, it's almost
Speaker 1: the tourist fault at times that they have to shove
Speaker 1: it down your throat as the ultimate test. If it
Speaker 1: was just what it is. This is a ton of
Speaker 1: money for these players, This is a life changing event,
Speaker 1: and this is as important to them in their careers
Speaker 1: as anything else. Then I think people could watch it
Speaker 1: and go this is great drama because you you nailed it.
Speaker 1: There were some awful golf shots hit on the second
Speaker 1: nine yesterday, and I feel like you don't even see
Speaker 1: that in majors at times when guys completely fall apart.
Speaker 1: I mean guys were hitting bad wedges. You think about
Speaker 1: the last hole, Zander mses that pud for Bertie, then
Speaker 1: Kepka has that fairly easy up and in for Bertie
Speaker 1: and doesn't pull that off. You know, these they're thinking
Speaker 1: about it. They can't think about anything else. They're not
Speaker 1: gonna win the event, so they're probably going, Man, I
Speaker 1: wonder well, and and I will tell you I know enough,
Speaker 1: and you know enough tour players as well. You know,
Speaker 1: when you talk about like the top ten guys in
Speaker 1: the world or top twenty guys in the world, they're
Speaker 1: probably gonna be fine, you know, and and be back
Speaker 1: at this stage maybe year in and year out, but
Speaker 1: it isn't to guarantee. You think of guys like Anthony
Speaker 1: Kim and Hunter Mayhan who have played at this level,
Speaker 1: and Anthony Kim, no longer in the sport, takes the
Speaker 1: the insurance money. Hunter Mayhan is playing in the corn
Speaker 1: Ferry finals, you know, fairy Well, it's just it doesn't
Speaker 1: always work out every year. So I'm not saying that
Speaker 1: Brooks kept in the back of his mind is like,
Speaker 1: I gotta make as much money because I don't know
Speaker 1: if I'm but be a good player in the future.
Speaker 1: But golfers know that in the back of their mind
Speaker 1: this is a sprint for them. They know it's difficult.
Speaker 1: I'm good friends with Brendan Steele. You know that I
Speaker 1: play a lot of golf with them. You you're buddies
Speaker 1: with Maxima. You play golf with him. Max had a
Speaker 1: great year this year. You won. What a life changing
Speaker 1: event that is for him because now he gets to,
Speaker 1: you know, get into some of the events that maybe
Speaker 1: he wouldn't get into normally. Well, Brendan is not getting
Speaker 1: into those events now after being a top thirty player,
Speaker 1: in the world. He finishes one seventy whatever, ninth in
Speaker 1: the FedEx Cup, and there's pressure, man, there's pressure. This
Speaker 1: is no guarantee for these guys. They literally have to perform.
Speaker 1: It is not a contract. They have to perform or
Speaker 1: they're out. So when you give them the chance to
Speaker 1: roll out there and make fifteen million dollars, and not
Speaker 1: only that, but you know, second places making a boatload,
Speaker 1: third places making a everybody's making money, they're they're going
Speaker 1: to feel the pressure. And I do. I do feel
Speaker 1: like the last nine holes yesterday was incredibly entertaining because
Speaker 1: of the money. And that's why I like the staggered
Speaker 1: start is because these guys knew exactly what they were
Speaker 1: doing and what it was for when they were hitting
Speaker 1: these golf shots. Yeah, I mean you make a great point.
Speaker 1: I mean, Jordan's speeth. You if you'd have bet me
Speaker 1: Jordan Spieth wouldn't make the Tour Championship two years in
Speaker 1: a row, I mean I would have called you crazy.
Speaker 1: And Jordan's Spiez was at a level that we're seeing
Speaker 1: Kepka and Rory and these guys at right now, and
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, you know, the swing gets loose
Speaker 1: and the puts aren't dropping, and you're not making it.
Speaker 1: To these points, you're not making the money you were
Speaker 1: making four or five years ago. And to your point, again,
Speaker 1: Jordan's speeth isn't worried about money. But this is their
Speaker 1: livelihood and this is what they do. And this is
Speaker 1: why you see guys on the Champions Tour play until
Speaker 1: they're sixty two, sixty sixty four, because they're used to
Speaker 1: a lifestyle that they want to keep up. It makes sense.
Speaker 1: It's any business. I mean, if you turn sixty and
Speaker 1: I said, Joel, you're never gonna get to do TV again,
Speaker 1: you'd be thinking, well, I've had a good career. It's
Speaker 1: been great, but I gotta figure something else's out to do.
Speaker 1: I'm not just gonna sit around for the next twenty
Speaker 1: five years. Yeah, you'd probably just play golf. But what
Speaker 1: are we going to do for money? What am I
Speaker 1: gonna do for money? I've probably played golf. You can
Speaker 1: you play so much golf? Just to touch on the
Speaker 1: player of the Year thing, kept Kis Season twenty one
Speaker 1: starts three wins, of course, including the PGA Championship, nine
Speaker 1: top tens, thirteen top twenty five, tie for second of
Speaker 1: the Masters, one at the p G eight, second alone
Speaker 1: at the US Open, tie for fourth at the Open Championship.
Speaker 1: I believe he's the fifth player that's ever finished in
Speaker 1: the top five, and all this all the Majors in
Speaker 1: one season, joining Jack, Jack, Tiger, Ricky and Jordan's Speed,
Speaker 1: I believe are the other four. Rory nineteen starts, three wins,
Speaker 1: fourteen top tens, sixteen top twenty five is pretty ridiculous.
Speaker 1: Didn't play great at the major the nineteen started sixteen
Speaker 1: top twenty five and two miss cuts, so one event
Speaker 1: through the weekend he didn't finish in the top twenty
Speaker 1: five when he made the cut is fairly remarkable. It
Speaker 1: feels like that feels like Tiger numbers there, tie for
Speaker 1: twenty one of the Master's T eight at the p G,
Speaker 1: A T nine at the US Open, and of course
Speaker 1: missed the cut at the Open in Northern Ireland, which
Speaker 1: actually ended up being a positive for Rory considering the
Speaker 1: press he got in the way he handled that whole situation.
Speaker 1: But I mean, I'm with you and I don't think
Speaker 1: we have to talk too much about it. I'm going
Speaker 1: capto just with the way he played in the big events. Well,
Speaker 1: and I think that regardless of how Rory handled the
Speaker 1: situation in Port Rush, I think that that was still
Speaker 1: a massive disappointment for you know. And and so Brooks
Speaker 1: didn't give us one of those this year. You know.
Speaker 1: You you say to a golf fan, you say, like
Speaker 1: Brooks kept two thousand and nineteen, and they're just gonna
Speaker 1: be like one an amazing year. You say Rory McElroy
Speaker 1: two thousand and nineteen, they would say, and then you
Speaker 1: would have to be like, well, look at his strokes game,
Speaker 1: look at his top look at strokes gain stats, right,
Speaker 1: but you do you know, I'm sure a lot. I've
Speaker 1: heard a lot. I've seen a lot of the people
Speaker 1: on Twitter, you know, and someone I was like, well,
Speaker 1: this has been the best strokes game season that we've
Speaker 1: seen in PJ Dale. Tiger didn't do it, And I'm like, okay,
Speaker 1: we get it, Like I get it with the analytics,
Speaker 1: but sometimes you just have to vote on feel and
Speaker 1: all you have to do is and I call it
Speaker 1: like the the guy on the bar theory, Right, you
Speaker 1: could you walk into a bar, you find a casual
Speaker 1: golf fan and you say who had the better year?
Speaker 1: Roy mclroy brooks kept nine out of ten times you're
Speaker 1: gonna get brooks kept. I mean, you're not getting an
Speaker 1: argument out of me. I I agree with you. Let's
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Speaker 1: to Joel, I was gonna ask you. You mentioned, you know,
Speaker 1: looking back and again it just wrapped up a day ago.
Speaker 1: But just looking back on two thousand nineteen, in five
Speaker 1: years from now, is it just gonna be the Tiger
Speaker 1: win at the Masters that we remember? Is that really
Speaker 1: going to be the highlight of this season for everybody
Speaker 1: when you look back on it years from now. There's
Speaker 1: no question in my mind, There's no question in my mind.
Speaker 1: I've never seen it. Golfers shut down the rest of
Speaker 1: the season as hard as Tiger shut out. That's it.
Speaker 1: I'm good, guys, I am good. And you know what.
Speaker 1: To his credit, he was that was I was. I
Speaker 1: was too young to really feel and get into, you know,
Speaker 1: Jack winning the Masters that day in April, the first
Speaker 1: of all the Masters, Augustin National. So much credit to
Speaker 1: them for getting those guys out early, split teas in
Speaker 1: threes so that we could actually see this thing finished
Speaker 1: rather than just be like, well let's see if we can.
Speaker 1: I mean, the decision of the Gulf year, maybe the
Speaker 1: golf decade was Augusta National, spliting the teas, going in threes,
Speaker 1: getting that thing in before the weather hit. Unbelievable decision.
Speaker 1: Take some serious downs next, Like, for the rest of
Speaker 1: my life, Shane, I will remember getting my kids, my
Speaker 1: three boys. Now, my youngest is a little too young
Speaker 1: to understand. I have a seven, five, and two year old,
Speaker 1: and I got the oldest two boys, Henry and Sam,
Speaker 1: and and we ate some pancakes and then we sat
Speaker 1: there and it was the first sporting event that my
Speaker 1: seven and five year old have sat through and watched
Speaker 1: with me and cheered with me watching. I'll remember it
Speaker 1: for the rest of my life. And it was because
Speaker 1: of who was playing and the gravity of the situation
Speaker 1: of him winning that championship, that tournament, and it's so embarrassing.
Speaker 1: I cried in large part watching him hug his son.
Speaker 1: And I'm sitting there with my sons and they're cheering
Speaker 1: and my five year olds going Tiger Tiger. I mean,
Speaker 1: it was one of my favorite moments that I've had
Speaker 1: in my entire life because of what I got to
Speaker 1: experience with my kids. It wasn't just that I'm a
Speaker 1: big fan of this this guy, Tyger Woods. I will
Speaker 1: always remember that moment. And so if someone asked me
Speaker 1: about two thousand and nineteen, just period twenty five years
Speaker 1: from now, That's the moment I'm going to remember from
Speaker 1: from this year, whether it's the golf world or or
Speaker 1: the other golfers or so on and so forth. It
Speaker 1: was that impactful. I don't care what he did the
Speaker 1: rest of the season. I hope he's healthy moving forward,
Speaker 1: and I think that we're going to get him maybe
Speaker 1: and kind of spits and starts, and we'll get some
Speaker 1: elite golf out of him for the next four or
Speaker 1: five years. I hope once or twice a year. Um.
Speaker 1: But man, what he gave to us that April morning
Speaker 1: was some of the best stuff that I've ever seen
Speaker 1: in my life. And so for me, there's that is
Speaker 1: hands down the easiest answer of the entire interview. That's
Speaker 1: the most memorable. That's the moment Tiger Woods winning the Masters. Well,
Speaker 1: and you personally, I mean, you know, golf and ten
Speaker 1: will be something you remember for a long time. You
Speaker 1: helped us out with the Fox coverage at an unbelievable
Speaker 1: job at the opens doing interviews and features. You know,
Speaker 1: you you we get a chance to go to Charleston,
Speaker 1: we do the U S Women's Open, and then we
Speaker 1: get the Pebble Beach and you're I mean, you were around.
Speaker 1: You know, you're around famous coaches and famous players and peers,
Speaker 1: and you know you talked to coaches all the time.
Speaker 1: I know there's been certain coaches that have called you
Speaker 1: when you've been in my car before and you've somewhat
Speaker 1: bragged as you showed me who's ringing you on your phone?
Speaker 1: But you know you're sitting on set getting these guys
Speaker 1: coming through that you watch weekend and week out on
Speaker 1: the golf course, and I'm assuming players you admire how
Speaker 1: much fun was the part of the business side for you,
Speaker 1: or you got a chance to be a part of
Speaker 1: the golf coverage and got to interview all these guys. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't know, I'll always remember that as well. I mean,
Speaker 1: it was I don't know really how to put it
Speaker 1: into work. It was. It was one of the most
Speaker 1: fulfilling work years of my life, in large part because
Speaker 1: of the golf and because of of what I thought
Speaker 1: we all achieved together, Shane. I mean, I thought that
Speaker 1: the Fox broadcast was amazing and and it was the
Speaker 1: culmination of a lot of years of work I had done.
Speaker 1: The digital stuff. Um, you know, Mark Lumis asks me
Speaker 1: to come aboard and and and do the interview interviews.
Speaker 1: You started doing digital with me at Chambers Bay, you know,
Speaker 1: and to see where you've gone is unbelievable. And and
Speaker 1: to just help that broadcast and get that broadcast into
Speaker 1: a point where you know, it was critically acclaimed and
Speaker 1: rightly so, is one of the better telecasts of the
Speaker 1: entire golf season. I'll always be proud of that, There's
Speaker 1: no doubt. And I know I had a very small
Speaker 1: part in that, but you guys were amazing, Our technical
Speaker 1: crew was amazing. I'll always remember, you know, two thousands
Speaker 1: us open a Pebble Beach has a huge success for
Speaker 1: all of the people that I'm really close to. I
Speaker 1: was so happy for you and Joe and Paul and
Speaker 1: Brad and and and Curtis and Mark Loomas our producer,
Speaker 1: and Steve Buying, our director, and everybody. We have an
Speaker 1: army of people out there that we've seen every year
Speaker 1: now for five years, an army of people, and they
Speaker 1: worked there, they worked their guts out, and you know,
Speaker 1: for the first time for that to be acknowledged as like, hey,
Speaker 1: that was really good from from the people in the
Speaker 1: golf world. That was a really fulfilling part of this year,
Speaker 1: and then just from sitting down with those guys. Man,
Speaker 1: I'm a golf fan, you know, and I'm a junkie.
Speaker 1: I think people now that listen to the pod understand
Speaker 1: that I'm a golf junkie. I was very anxious. I
Speaker 1: was very nervous. I told you this several times. Uh,
Speaker 1: just as a friend I was. I was a little
Speaker 1: bit out of my comfort zone. And I didn't I
Speaker 1: didn't know how golf fans would react seeing a college
Speaker 1: football analyst um sit there and talk with those players.
Speaker 1: I didn't know how the players would react. And and
Speaker 1: I did start to feel fairly comfortable when basically the
Speaker 1: very first interview that I did all week long was
Speaker 1: with Ricky Fowler and the first thing he asks before
Speaker 1: we're on the air is O, Hey, how do you
Speaker 1: think my Cowboys would this year? And I was like, Okay,
Speaker 1: everybody asked you about their football team was unbelievable. I'd
Speaker 1: ask you every night who asked you this time? That's right?
Speaker 1: So um Man, I enjoyed it thoroughly. I can't wait
Speaker 1: for next season. Um On. Next year, I hope that
Speaker 1: I able to join in the same fashion. I think
Speaker 1: that that's the plan um, but man, it was. It
Speaker 1: was fulfilling, to say the least. Yeah, it was fantastic. Yeah.
Speaker 1: The nice thing about two thousand twenties, we're actually gonna
Speaker 1: get to do our little golf trip that we've we've somehow,
Speaker 1: we've somehow finagled into being a part of our our
Speaker 1: media day. We didn't get to do it this year
Speaker 1: because we were at the USA Ameter all week obviously
Speaker 1: in eighteen for the Pebble Beach for them and Victor
Speaker 1: hobblin one and so, you know, Loomis and everybody was said,
Speaker 1: you guys have seen Pebble. You guys are fine. And
Speaker 1: so normally you and I try to get out there
Speaker 1: and play golf for three or four days around media Day.
Speaker 1: And we're gonna do it Wingfoot. We're gonna play a
Speaker 1: few somewhat decent places. We got to figure it out
Speaker 1: what the what the rota is this year we've got
Speaker 1: wing Foot And then I mean, can we can we
Speaker 1: squeeze Pine Valley? Does that even? Is that even the possible?
Speaker 1: He's you're dropping the number one course in the country
Speaker 1: in our trip already, twist my arm. We'll try to
Speaker 1: make it work. People are gonna hate us and they're
Speaker 1: gonna be jealous. But it's okay. It's that's the That's
Speaker 1: one of the biggest perks about doing golf is you
Speaker 1: do get to play a lot of golf on the road.
Speaker 1: I think that's something you and I had a great
Speaker 1: chance of encountering this year together. And it's not always
Speaker 1: it's not Listen, it's not always Pine Valley and wingfoot.
Speaker 1: I mean what, you and I will play anywhere, we
Speaker 1: don't care. We we played and we played academy in
Speaker 1: me where I am and I have end tee it
Speaker 1: right now. So we talked a little golf. Obviously, we've
Speaker 1: got college football on the horizon. I was looking at
Speaker 1: your rankings. I was looking at some of the videos
Speaker 1: you've done the last few days and and make sure,
Speaker 1: as I mentioned, checkout Joel's Instagram Joel Underscore Class. He's
Speaker 1: posting a lot of preview stuff there. Players, Heisman watch
Speaker 1: all that stuff, and it's it's a great video. I
Speaker 1: I need to ask you this because I've I've gotten
Speaker 1: to the point with college football where I just basically
Speaker 1: pencil in who's gonna be there at the end. Is
Speaker 1: this gonna be another Bama Clintson year, where basically those
Speaker 1: are the two teams and it's everybody else I think.
Speaker 1: I think so, Uh, Clemson is incredible. They've got six
Speaker 1: players on offense back that we're all conference, They've got
Speaker 1: a quarterback that's likely Heisman Trophy winner, They've won the
Speaker 1: national championship a year ago. I gotta replace a lot
Speaker 1: of leadership on defense, and then Bama is going to
Speaker 1: be as good as they've ever been. Uh. To a
Speaker 1: quarterback has been tremendous, and they've evolved on offense to
Speaker 1: the point where they threw fifty two touchdown passes last
Speaker 1: year that led the country. I don't think that you
Speaker 1: would ever have predicted that Nick Sabans Alabama team was
Speaker 1: going to lead the country and touchdown passes, but that's
Speaker 1: what they did a year ago. And so just points
Speaker 1: of the explosiveness that they have. They've got one of
Speaker 1: the best wide receivers in the country and Jerry judy Um.
Speaker 1: It's it's hard for me to say that any other
Speaker 1: team is going to play for the national championship other
Speaker 1: than those two. If there were a few, here would
Speaker 1: be like my short list of four teams that I
Speaker 1: think have a chance not only to make the playoff,
Speaker 1: but potentially win a game in that semifinal and and
Speaker 1: hoist the national championship. I'll start with Oklahoma. I think
Speaker 1: that that story could be one of the best stories
Speaker 1: in college football, is that Jalen Hurts transfers as a
Speaker 1: graduate from Alabama. I would love nothing more. I mean,
Speaker 1: if you were to say, like, what would you want
Speaker 1: to see most out of this season, it would be
Speaker 1: Jalen Hurt plays Alabama in the College football playoffs. That's
Speaker 1: what I want to see. I want to see Oklahoma
Speaker 1: play Alabama with Jalen Hurts this quarterback. They've also got
Speaker 1: a new defensive coordinator, so they were the worst past
Speaker 1: defense in the country last year. My whole contention is
Speaker 1: is that if they're just average, it's always like you
Speaker 1: know those players on on on tour where you're like, man,
Speaker 1: if he could just if he was just an average driver,
Speaker 1: would be if he could just if he was just
Speaker 1: an average putter, he would be incredible. That happens all
Speaker 1: the time. Well, that's the that's the same thing with Oklahoma.
Speaker 1: If they were just average defensively, they might win a
Speaker 1: national championship. Alex Crench is their new new defensive coordinator
Speaker 1: for Lincoln Rally of their head coach. We'll see about that.
Speaker 1: Michigan I think is gonna be right there. They've got
Speaker 1: a new offensive coordinator's name is Josh Josh Gaddis. He
Speaker 1: comes from Alabama. UM, They've got their quarterback back, their
Speaker 1: best offensive line that they've had under Hardback, great wide
Speaker 1: receiver corps, and they always played their defense. So Michigan
Speaker 1: could be there. They might pick in the Big Ten.
Speaker 1: And then to teams that I would say are sleepers,
Speaker 1: UM and and sleepers in the sense that I don't
Speaker 1: have them winning their conference, but they're the teams that
Speaker 1: would finish runner up to Oklahoma and Michigan. That's Texas
Speaker 1: and Ohio State. I'm a big believer in Texas. Love
Speaker 1: their quarterback Sam Ellinger. UM they tend to play quality
Speaker 1: defense under Todd Orlando their coordinator. And then Ohio State.
Speaker 1: You can never rule them out with the type of
Speaker 1: talent that they put on the field. Ryan Day is
Speaker 1: replacing Urban Meyer. That's a tough task. But those are
Speaker 1: the teams. So those are the seven teams right there, Shane,
Speaker 1: that I think have a shot. And then the last team,
Speaker 1: I would bring up as Georgia. I think Georgia is
Speaker 1: a team that is really good. You have their quarterback,
Speaker 1: have a good defense, they can run the football. They've
Speaker 1: had the lead twice on Alabama late into games in
Speaker 1: the last two seasons. We're not able to close the deal.
Speaker 1: So maybe they get over that hump and actually beat
Speaker 1: the Crimson type. You know what, I was so excited
Speaker 1: about doing it, this this juncture right here, you know
Speaker 1: what I was. I was fired up about this. I'm
Speaker 1: thinking about it all eek. I was gonna say, hey,
Speaker 1: you forgot you forgot Arizona on Arizona and they just
Speaker 1: beat Hawaii and you texted me. I texted you on
Speaker 1: a on what Sunday morning? And I said, well, that
Speaker 1: wasn't ideal and you wrote Colorado lost to Hawaii a
Speaker 1: couple of years ago and finished one and eleven, and
Speaker 1: so uh, I'm I'm I'm gonna say, maybe not the
Speaker 1: greatest start for the Wildcats. Not a great start, oh
Speaker 1: my goodness. But it was exciting. I mean, I'm sure
Speaker 1: you were on the edge of your seat, you know,
Speaker 1: watching Khalil Tate tackled at the one trying to force
Speaker 1: overtime Oh my gosh, that is just the PAC twelve
Speaker 1: is in all sorts of trouble. It's just it's just so,
Speaker 1: it's depressing, it's brutal, and it's and the problem is
Speaker 1: is it's unexpected. I mean, you know what's happening, you
Speaker 1: prepare yourself for it, and you see it happen. And
Speaker 1: there are eleven point favorites. And I was going, I
Speaker 1: don't know about that. You and I talked a little
Speaker 1: bit about this, and you know, if you can, you
Speaker 1: can do it in in two minutes. I I love
Speaker 1: the way you speak on this, and I've asked you
Speaker 1: this a whole bunch of dinners and stuff about Bill
Speaker 1: Belichick and Nick Saban. I say, why are they so
Speaker 1: much better than everybody else at what they do? And
Speaker 1: I've always found it very interesting when you talk about it,
Speaker 1: because I feel like you have kind of nailed the
Speaker 1: correct answer in them. Well, it's a it's a long answer,
Speaker 1: but I'll try to be as short as possible. They
Speaker 1: they are the most detail oriented people and coaches that
Speaker 1: I know, and and those details have a sense of
Speaker 1: urgency behind them that no other coach has. And maybe
Speaker 1: Dabo Sweeney at this point so everything involved in their
Speaker 1: program is like thought over and cared for to the
Speaker 1: tenth degree, to the one hundred degree. You know, there's
Speaker 1: a story of a defensive back, you know, plan for
Speaker 1: Bill Belichick. I can't remember his name. Maybe it was mccordy,
Speaker 1: I'm not sure, but anyways, he says, Bill Belichick will
Speaker 1: tell you things that no other coach would even think
Speaker 1: to tell you, which was, Hey, when we're going you know,
Speaker 1: left to right or right to left today, the wind
Speaker 1: is going to be into the quarterback's face. So I
Speaker 1: want you to be in trail technique all day when
Speaker 1: we're going that direction, when the offense is going that direction,
Speaker 1: I want you to trail the wide receiver because I
Speaker 1: think that most of the passes are going to be
Speaker 1: slightly underthrown. Guess what happened that day? He had like
Speaker 1: three PVUS pass breakups and the interception all on underthrown
Speaker 1: balls going that direction. So it's it's like every everything
Speaker 1: matters for these guys. You know, nothing, nothing is left
Speaker 1: to chance in their entire program, and they are just
Speaker 1: tireless workers. Um. There's also an element of of evaluation
Speaker 1: and development that has to take place that I think
Speaker 1: is is incredible for those two those two guys um
Speaker 1: they will evaluate well, and then they will also develop
Speaker 1: players to allow those players to use their strengths. Bill
Speaker 1: Belichick and Nick Saban rarely will take a guy and say, hey,
Speaker 1: you you have to do this just because this is
Speaker 1: what's required in my system. More times than not, they're
Speaker 1: going to develop a guy to a point that he
Speaker 1: has a certain skill set, and then they'll try to
Speaker 1: use that skill set to their advantage during the game plan.
Speaker 1: Bill Belichick does this better than anybody. They'll they'll morph
Speaker 1: and adjust their game plan and their players and their
Speaker 1: lineup in order to win the game. Nick Saban has
Speaker 1: done that. I just talked about how he's adjusted offensively.
Speaker 1: In college football, you've got to score points, you've got
Speaker 1: to do it quickly. And so they've gone from a
Speaker 1: run first team to a bit of a pass first
Speaker 1: team offensively, and to a team that will throw fifty
Speaker 1: two touchdown passes, which led the country last year. Last year,
Speaker 1: Bill bella check and the Super Bowl came in and
Speaker 1: played a totally different defense against Sean McVeigh and the
Speaker 1: Los Angeles Rams, and the Rams never adjusted. They had
Speaker 1: played man coverage most of the year and then they
Speaker 1: come in and play zone coverage. So it's the ability
Speaker 1: to adjust, it's the ability to evaluate, its ability to develop,
Speaker 1: and it's the ability to have a sense of urgency
Speaker 1: over every minute detail that possibly can come up with
Speaker 1: your team. Uh, to give you the longest two minute
Speaker 1: answer that I got done, Honese, that thought kind of
Speaker 1: nailed it. I feel like it was. It was, it
Speaker 1: was well put. And uh, you went over to from
Speaker 1: a little bit. But I'm not gonna I'm not gonna
Speaker 1: and I'm not gonna dock you there. Well that the
Speaker 1: last thing, and and again this is you know, we
Speaker 1: talked a little bit of golf talk some college football,
Speaker 1: but it's a it's a hot button topic. But I
Speaker 1: feel like you're a great person to speak on it,
Speaker 1: and I really just wanted to get your thoughts personally
Speaker 1: as a friend, and uh, and been figured why not
Speaker 1: just do it on the podcast so other people can
Speaker 1: hear it. You know. The Andrew Luck news broke over
Speaker 1: the weekend and it blew up, and of course there
Speaker 1: were people that had hot takes on it on one
Speaker 1: side and people that went the complete other direction. I
Speaker 1: saw what you wrote, you know, you were you said,
Speaker 1: you know, I wish him all the luck in the
Speaker 1: world and health and everything. I mean, you're a guy
Speaker 1: that went through this stuff. I mean, you're a quarterback.
Speaker 1: You had a lot of concussions in your day. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's something that you still battle with now. So I
Speaker 1: just kind of wanted to get your thoughts on a
Speaker 1: guy like Andrew Luck hanging it up earlier than really
Speaker 1: anybody we've ever seen in that position. Well, I think
Speaker 1: everybody started to glom onto this term of like he
Speaker 1: was mentally fatigued, or he was just you know, tired
Speaker 1: and and didn't want to do it mentally anymore. And
Speaker 1: people start saying like, well, of course he's just going
Speaker 1: to take his money and right off into the sunset.
Speaker 1: But he was conflicted. He's been very conflicted. It is,
Speaker 1: you know, even for players at that level, it is
Speaker 1: a love hate relationship with the sport. Even for for
Speaker 1: players that you know, would do anything to be on
Speaker 1: the field until their fifty, those players still have to
Speaker 1: deal with the heine associated the physical pain associated with
Speaker 1: playing this violent sport. And I say violent, and I
Speaker 1: don't mean that in a bad way. Lots of sports
Speaker 1: are violent, and and I understood that as a player,
Speaker 1: I don't begrudge the sport of football for what I
Speaker 1: went through physically. I knew that that's what I was
Speaker 1: going to go through physically. Um So for for Andrew,
Speaker 1: this guy has has had the game ripped away from him.
Speaker 1: From his health standpoint, he has battled in the last
Speaker 1: six years. Uh. You know the labor issue in his shoulder,
Speaker 1: He's had a pain creas issue, he's had uh, He's
Speaker 1: had an oblique issue. He's got this at least one concussion,
Speaker 1: probably more. He's had this ankle issue. This takes a
Speaker 1: toll on you where you're sitting there and you're thinking
Speaker 1: to yourself, am I going to have any not just
Speaker 1: some any quality of life moving forward? And and he
Speaker 1: took the step to step away from the game. Not
Speaker 1: everybody is Tom Brady and is going to stay healthy
Speaker 1: until they're forty two years old. And and Andrew played
Speaker 1: the game in the style in which put his body
Speaker 1: in harm's way. And you saw the pain in his
Speaker 1: eyes when that picture that I thought was just so
Speaker 1: good of him at the podium and you could see
Speaker 1: the pain in his eyes and the conflicted nature of
Speaker 1: knowing what he needed to do for his own health
Speaker 1: and well being, and yet how that cut against everything
Speaker 1: in his fiber and his and his being of what
Speaker 1: he wanted to do. I think Andrew Luck would desperately
Speaker 1: love to continue to play football. He just can't. He
Speaker 1: just can't do it anymore. And that is a painful
Speaker 1: place to be for anybody, any of us who played
Speaker 1: competitive sports for any amount of time, whether it was
Speaker 1: you were done at junior high or in high school,
Speaker 1: or in college or in a professional set, the day
Speaker 1: that you realize that there's a realization that you either
Speaker 1: can't or are done, and all of us are told
Speaker 1: by either our bodies or somebody else, like, this is it.
Speaker 1: You're You're it's over. The pain in that moment is immense.
Speaker 1: And I'm talking about physical plan, I'm talking about emotional pain.
Speaker 1: This thing that has identified you for your entire life's
Speaker 1: coming to an end, and it's coming to an end
Speaker 1: because Shane, he physically can't do it anymore. And that's
Speaker 1: why my heart just went out out to him. I like,
Speaker 1: I feel terrible for him. I'm i'm. I think that
Speaker 1: the fans in Indianapolis were a disgrace for booing these
Speaker 1: hot tache artists that are throwing you know, jabs and
Speaker 1: Andrew luck and and and hopes that they're going to
Speaker 1: get a thousand likes on Twitter. They can, I mean
Speaker 1: they can pound sand and thank God for Troy Aim
Speaker 1: because just top roped you know, the one that we're
Speaker 1: talking about, and he top roped them to the point
Speaker 1: where I was like, yeah, I'm satisfied with that. Well
Speaker 1: it's it's you know, we just live in a world.
Speaker 1: I mean, you kind of said it to start the show.
Speaker 1: I mean, you we live in a world where the
Speaker 1: instant reaction always seems to be the dumbest. I mean,
Speaker 1: if if everybody took a moment and and just took
Speaker 1: a big breath and sat back and said, Okay, let's
Speaker 1: let's think about it from his perspective. Because I was
Speaker 1: talking to my sister on the phote on Sunday, and
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, I I do feel like the
Speaker 1: general public the the ability to make sense of professional
Speaker 1: athletes is to try and I know it's hard to
Speaker 1: equate it to yourself, you know, and if you were
Speaker 1: working at a place and you hated your job, and
Speaker 1: you hated the hours, and you were exhausted and you
Speaker 1: felt like you got home and you didn't get to
Speaker 1: spend time with your kids because you're going to sleep,
Speaker 1: because you had to go back to the office. And
Speaker 1: at one point you went, I gotta change jobs. I
Speaker 1: can't keep doing this. You know that makes sense to
Speaker 1: everybody in the world. There's not one person that would
Speaker 1: look at you and go, now, that's a terrible idea.
Speaker 1: You should continue at the place you're not like. Not
Speaker 1: one person would say that, And it's just it's interesting
Speaker 1: that that because of fandom and fantasy and as yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean I wish we could be doing that, get
Speaker 1: out of either. There's two reasons why you're going to
Speaker 1: have a hot take on Andrew Luck. Selfishness. So if
Speaker 1: you're a fan and you're like you owe me, you know,
Speaker 1: like I want to see you play for my team,
Speaker 1: So it's a selfishness or jealousy, or you've made so
Speaker 1: much money that I can't stand you and the decisions
Speaker 1: you make must please me because you're rich. Well, both
Speaker 1: of those areas to be as a human, it's just
Speaker 1: nasty and quite frankly wrong, and and unfortunately those are
Speaker 1: the areas that we see most on Twitter, that they
Speaker 1: float around a lot. To joke Lad's point, just be
Speaker 1: on Instagram. Just just go look at pictures of Andrew
Speaker 1: Luck with like some unicorns around in the background and
Speaker 1: a comment that says good luck in the rest of
Speaker 1: your life. And you're like, well, that's a real positive thing.
Speaker 1: That's very nice and to do that. Yeah, hey, just
Speaker 1: rehab it again, guys x O x oh you'll be great. Um.
Speaker 1: So you will not only be a part of the
Speaker 1: new noon Eastern game on Fox, but we're gonna see
Speaker 1: you in the in the new studio show as well. Right,
Speaker 1: you'll be floating in and out of that because I
Speaker 1: know everybody a Fox is really excited. Yeah, everyone's very
Speaker 1: excited about the studio show that'll kick off at eleven
Speaker 1: Eastern Big and kick off with Urban Meyer, Ricky Bush,
Speaker 1: Matt Liner, Brady quinn. Um did a preview show with them.
Speaker 1: They're excellent. You'll you're gonna love them if you're a
Speaker 1: college football fan. They're relevant and I'll be on every
Speaker 1: week just be a satellite from my game to do
Speaker 1: a quick segment and then when they come on the
Speaker 1: road for the Red River game, which we'll do again,
Speaker 1: and then Michigan Ohio State which we'll do again. Um
Speaker 1: I'll be a part of those shows. So I could
Speaker 1: not be more excited with the direction that Fox taking
Speaker 1: college football in the investment that they've had in college football.
Speaker 1: Certainly grateful for it, and I can't wait for the
Speaker 1: season to kick off. You you broke seventy this year
Speaker 1: playing golf for the first time, Is that right? I
Speaker 1: did man four times? Like four times? So happy? Yes?
Speaker 1: Oh man. The text I would get from you when
Speaker 1: you would shoot seventy were always my favorite. I'm I
Speaker 1: actually kind of missed those. I don't want to be
Speaker 1: the negative Twitter person. You win this one time or
Speaker 1: two and this was before I ever broke Yeah, I
Speaker 1: saw once essed it once like up close and personal,
Speaker 1: and guys, Bacon no hittard me like so not in
Speaker 1: a bad way. I'm not saying any chinks to me.
Speaker 1: For about the last we were playing, I'm gonna say
Speaker 1: where we're playing. We were playing around and I was
Speaker 1: playing really well, and for the last eight holes, Bacon
Speaker 1: wouldn't even look at me. Well, you wouldn't even look
Speaker 1: at you. Eat it like a foot on seventeen for Bertie,
Speaker 1: And I knew when you made that, I knew where
Speaker 1: you stood Bertie Birdie in order to break seven U seventies.
Speaker 1: So I'm standing in the fairway on seventeen and I'm like, well,
Speaker 1: you know, this is it, and so I I flagged it.
Speaker 1: I just went right after a tucked pin and pulled
Speaker 1: off the shot. And then the eighteenth was a par five,
Speaker 1: and so I'm like, oh, man, like I've got I've
Speaker 1: got a chance. And I hit one of the best
Speaker 1: second shots. I had never played the course before, and
Speaker 1: I may have gotten a touch of touch of bad information.
Speaker 1: It was a blind second shot. I hit it right
Speaker 1: where I wanted fifty minutes in and we finally got
Speaker 1: a caddie blame. I figured that was gonna happen before
Speaker 1: that's fifty minutes. This is a new record for us.
Speaker 1: I tell you what, caddies good. That's Joe Clad. Follow
Speaker 1: on Twitter at Joel Clad and on Instagram at Joel
Speaker 1: Underscore Clad. One of the best in the business. Have
Speaker 1: a great season, and hey, you know what said, I want,
Speaker 1: I want somehow for you to have a game in Arizona.
Speaker 1: But it doesn't look like that's ever gonna happen. Look
Speaker 1: like it's not gonna happen. That's a very memorial cup.
Speaker 1: I don't think Gus and I are going to be in.
Speaker 1: It's probably not gonna watch a s u u of a.
Speaker 1: It's probably not gonna happen. Well, we'll see you on
Speaker 1: TV alright, but it looks like I'm a wreck. A
Speaker 1: big big thanks to my friend Joe Clad for spending
Speaker 1: that much time. I know he's very busy this week
Speaker 1: getting set for the college football season. Make sure you
Speaker 1: follow him on all the social media outlets and check
Speaker 1: out on Saturday the New Studio Show eleven AM and
Speaker 1: then Joel Gus get going at noon Eastern. It's gonna
Speaker 1: be a whole new experience having the game of the
Speaker 1: week happened right around lunchtime. I know you'll enjoy it.
Speaker 1: We at Fox really excited, and I hope you guys
Speaker 1: enjoyed the twenty nineteen season. With golf winding down and
Speaker 1: me being on the road less, you're gonna get more
Speaker 1: Clubhouse Podcast, so make sure you follow the Clubhouse Pod
Speaker 1: on Twitter at the Clubhouse Pod on Instagram. You can
Speaker 1: follow me at Shane Bacon on Twitter and Instagram as well.
Speaker 1: Big thanks to Titlist. We'll be back next week.