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Speaker 1: Hello, everyone, Welcome to Wellness un Mass.

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Speaker 2: I'm doctor Nicole Saffire and today we are going to

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Speaker 2: peel back the layers on something that has everyone talking.

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Speaker 1: Recently, a group of former CDC directors.

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Speaker 2: They've made headlines because they decided to put out a

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Speaker 2: joint opinion piece essentially rallying against RFK Junior after he

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Speaker 2: fired the newly appointed Susan Monrez from her position as

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Speaker 2: CDC director. This has made all the media outlets. People

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Speaker 2: are in an uproar. It's really interesting to see this

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Speaker 2: whole coordinated effort. It's not every day you kind of

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Speaker 2: and just the entire direction of public health in this country.

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Speaker 2: So to dig into this, I am joined by Jennifer Gallardi.

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Speaker 2: She is the Senior Policy Analyst for Restoring American Wellness

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Speaker 2: at the Heritage Foundation. She's been at the forefront of

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Speaker 2: challenging how narratives and health policy are getting shaped and controlled,

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Speaker 2: and she's also involved in the MAHA movement. She has

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Speaker 2: her ear on the round to everything going on there,

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Speaker 2: and she's also been challenging.

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Speaker 1: The role of institutions like the CDC and how.

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Speaker 2: We're just working to reshape just ultimately how we think

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Speaker 2: about medicine and wellness in America.

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Speaker 1: I'm so excited to have her with us. Let's bring

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Speaker 1: in Jennifer Galardy.

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Speaker 2: Jennifer, I am so excited to have you on today

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Speaker 2: because there is so much going on in the world

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Speaker 2: of public health that it feels like, you know, every

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Speaker 2: day there's a new media headline and that New York

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Speaker 2: Times article by all of the former CDC and acting

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Speaker 2: CDC directors, I mean, that was pretty substantial.

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Speaker 1: What's your take on all of that.

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Speaker 3: Well, it does feel a little bit like as the

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Speaker 3: world turns every day here in the United States health agencies,

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Speaker 3: there's always something. You know, the news cycle is very

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Speaker 3: do is not ignore the news cycles, but understand that

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Speaker 3: they always have an agenda, particularly the New York Times,

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Speaker 3: and their agenda right now is to divide the MAHA

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Speaker 3: and the MAGA kind of base that elected Trump with

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Speaker 3: a lot of Kennedy's supporters, and to how to get

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Speaker 3: Kennedy out because they don't like what people wanted from him.

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Speaker 3: They don't like the agenda that that the people voted for.

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Speaker 3: And that was really to as Trump said in twenty

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Speaker 3: you know, fifteen drained the swamp. And I think what

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Speaker 3: Trump realized is that, Okay, maybe he can't drain it,

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Speaker 3: but he can clean it up a lot. He put

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Speaker 3: are going to see some strong backlash against it. You

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Speaker 3: know what's interesting to me is I reread that, reread

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Speaker 3: the article this morning in preparation to talk to you,

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Speaker 3: and there's really, you know there there there's no solid claims.

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Speaker 3: I think what I see with these some of these

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Speaker 3: people at the CDC, because they're very careful right in

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Speaker 3: the way they say, oh, these are CDC directors or

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Speaker 3: people that have worked at the CDC that are both

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Speaker 3: the thing they all have in common is the orthodoxy

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Speaker 3: that has gotten us into this public health disaster in

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Speaker 4: And it's kind of like COVID with the people that

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Speaker 4: got the shots. You know, I think about why are.

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Speaker 3: People so religious about vaccines. Why are they so religious

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Speaker 3: alternative data and be open to maybe they were wrong?

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Speaker 3: And it is because it is their religion. So someone

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Speaker 3: many years in service of what they think is public health,

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Speaker 3: it becomes their identity. So when you challenge the CDC,

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Speaker 3: you challenge their actual identity, and they have to say, well,

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Speaker 3: everything that I said is wrong. What else am I

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Speaker 3: wrong about? Can you make very valid in COVID? Yeah,

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Speaker 3: and I think we're seeing that here. It's like, I

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Speaker 3: don't know if it's a coordinated attack, but if I

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Speaker 3: the people on the board of governing vaccines questioning what

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Speaker 2: Well, so someone obviously I work in the medical professional,

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Speaker 2: and you're right. I mean, historically, when you think of

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Speaker 2: obviously changed all of a sudden you know.

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Speaker 1: COVID with they're what you were at.

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Speaker 2: Your talking points were if you followed the mainstream media

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Speaker 2: public health talking points that aligned you with the Democrats,

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Speaker 2: and if you said anything outside of that, even if

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Speaker 2: you agreed with ninety five percent of the mainstream talking points,

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Speaker 2: but you were just questioned a couple of things that

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Speaker 2: But if you really look at the history of public health,

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Speaker 2: public health really aligns with it's for the greater good,

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Speaker 2: not the individual. So some would actually say that that

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Speaker 2: has always gone towards socialized care in a sense, right, it's.

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Speaker 1: Good for the greater good.

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Speaker 2: And so what President Trump has been saying, especially since COVID,

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Speaker 2: are finally going to look at things not just as

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Speaker 2: a dogma or in a vacuum, but we need to

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Speaker 2: not just the greater good. And you know, I think

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Speaker 2: that rubs some people the wrong way, especially those who

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Speaker 2: and so this is becoming political.

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Speaker 1: I think one of the concerns that I have a

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Speaker 2: I am a huge supporter of this reform and everything.

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Speaker 2: A lot of things that are coming out of the

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Speaker 2: White House right now. Some things that concern me is,

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Speaker 2: you know, the ousting of Susan Monrez, who you know,

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Speaker 2: was the CDC director. She had just been confirmed under

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Speaker 2: President Trump and then all of a sudden, we know

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Speaker 2: we called for a lot during the Biden administration was transparency.

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Speaker 2: And although I see RFK Junior and doctor McCarey, FDA Commissioner,

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Speaker 2: there is lack of transparency in what led to some

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Speaker 2: like that changes are being made, but I don't know

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Speaker 2: how they're being made. And when you have Susan Monrez

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Speaker 2: I want to hear more about that, but instead we're

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Speaker 1: What do you make of that?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's hard because I believe that when a new

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Speaker 3: a very It's so hard because you want opposition, right,

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Speaker 3: but you want honest opposition. You don't want people that

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Speaker 3: every turn in an administration. You know, the Biden administration

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Speaker 1: We don't actually know what is.

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Speaker 2: We don't know the conversation that led to to some

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Speaker 2: of this, and so like that's what I want to

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Speaker 2: hear about. I think a lot of the moves are right,

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Speaker 2: but just help us under help everyone understand, because when

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Speaker 2: you don't, doesn't that make it feel more partisan?

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Speaker 1: Like how what should be.

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Speaker 2: Their play forgetting all of America on board, because nobody

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Speaker 2: should be able to argue with making sure vaccines and

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Speaker 2: medications are safe and our food safe and kids are

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Speaker 2: exercising more like this should be every Americans should support this.

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Speaker 2: But it feels like some of the role out is

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Speaker 2: causing a greater divide. So what are they doing wrong?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't know.

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Speaker 3: I think.

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Speaker 4: There's concern.

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Speaker 3: I know there was great concern in the MAHA movement

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Speaker 3: with Manaras about her understanding of vaccinations, about her decision

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Speaker 3: making process. So maybe it's just that, like she did

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Speaker 3: So I you know, I could I could probably agree

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Speaker 3: it would be a nightmare. It would be a train wreck.

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Speaker 3: If I have to give you an essay on every

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Speaker 3: And at some point I have to say, I don't

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Speaker 4: Does have honest intentions.

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Speaker 3: I feel like his heart is really wanting to protect

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Speaker 3: people from the deleterious effects of vaccines, which are not negligible,

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Speaker 3: willing to challenge him. I'm not sure how if Susan

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Speaker 2: That is actually a valid, valid point because well as

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Speaker 2: you're saying that the Maha movement huge movement, I fully

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Speaker 2: agree they helped get Trump elected. Obviously that some conversations

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Speaker 1: But the concern that.

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Speaker 2: I have, as someone who again works in public health,

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Speaker 2: that's what people voted for, but how that is not

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Speaker 2: going to bring that other half so by ousting anybody

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Speaker 1: I was very hutspoken during.

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Speaker 2: COVID about this bureaucracy. But my concern is if you

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Speaker 4: No?

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Speaker 2: I think that a lot of politics were behind that.

443
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Speaker 2: You know, her brother in law is in the administration.

444
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Speaker 2: But that's really how politics works, right.

445
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Speaker 1: It's kind of all about who you know. But I

446
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Speaker 1: think that works by.

447
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Speaker 3: The way, Nicole, I think, yeah, you know, if she

448
00:23:27,480 --> 00:23:30,920
Speaker 3: was she's in practicing people get jobs because of networking

449
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Speaker 3: a lot of the time.

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Speaker 2: So when people were like, well she only got it

451
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Speaker 2: because of I'm like, well, yeah, that's how most people

452
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Speaker 2: get these physitions, but she was a practicing physician, and

453
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Speaker 2: she devoted a lot of her spare time, a lot

454
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Speaker 2: of volunteer work. She did a lot of frontline work,

455
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Speaker 2: so she was respected in the medical community. And maybe

456
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Speaker 2: she wasn't MAHA's first pick, and I don't even think

457
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Speaker 2: MAGA she was their number one, but I think she

458
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Speaker 2: kind of touched on all three of those.

459
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Speaker 1: Was she perfect nominee?

460
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Speaker 4: Probably not.

461
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Speaker 2: I don't I don't know if there is a perfect nominee.

462
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Speaker 2: My concern is about the current nominee. Is she fits

463
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Speaker 2: the Maha box, but I don't think she'll fit the magabox.

464
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Speaker 2: And I don't really think that she's going to be

465
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Speaker 2: widely accepted by establishment medical community.

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Speaker 1: I don't have a name for you. I mean, I

467
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Speaker 1: could probably do some.

468
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Speaker 2: Thinking, but I really hope it's not someone in RFK

469
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Speaker 2: Junior's inner circle and he tries to extend himself beyond

470
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Speaker 2: so that we could form a cohesive message. And in

471
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Speaker 2: terms of this CDC spokesperson doesn't need to be anyone

472
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Speaker 2: who has a name. It just someone who can be

473
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Speaker 2: in front of the camera who people don't see this

474
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Speaker 2: person and then have that knee jerk reflex to stop

475
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Speaker 2: listening or wanting to do opposite. They could be saying

476
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Speaker 2: exactly what RFK Junior would say in front of that camera, right,

477
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Speaker 2: But because it's a different messenger, people may actually listen

478
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Speaker 2: and support it more. And that's because we, as you've

479
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Speaker 2: pointed out in the beginning of we need them to

480
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Speaker 2: get their metrics so that when they leave the White

481
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Speaker 2: House they can say, look what we've done, right right.

482
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Speaker 3: My concern is, though, that doesn't matter who it is,

483
00:25:12,760 --> 00:25:16,320
Speaker 3: because TDS is real. I mean again, it's been this

484
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Speaker 3: example has been given, like Trump, a member of Trump's

485
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Speaker 3: administration or Trump itself could cure cancer and they would say, oh, well,

486
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Speaker 3: there's positive things to cancer.

487
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Speaker 4: We don't you know.

488
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Speaker 3: I just think and I tend to have a good

489
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Speaker 3: pulse read on the culture because I lived in Los

490
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Speaker 3: Angeles for so long, on the political culture out there,

491
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Speaker 3: on the mindset.

492
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Speaker 4: Of these people.

493
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Speaker 3: It is their their knee jerk response of if it's

494
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Speaker 3: aligned with Trump, it's bad. And so I'm not so

495
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Speaker 3: sure that there's a way around what.

496
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Speaker 4: You're talking about.

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Speaker 3: I don't know if we're beyond the phase of unification,

498
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Speaker 3: if it is just to be a you know, he

499
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Speaker 3: with the most votes wins. You know we support this

500
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Speaker 3: more than you do. I understand politics is the power

501
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Speaker 3: of persuasion. It always should be in normal people's minds.

502
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Speaker 3: But most of the party of the Democrat Party is

503
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Speaker 3: that extreme progressive at least they're the loudest. It seems

504
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Speaker 3: to be who the media highlights. Like I said, this

505
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Speaker 3: Dimitri guy really is your This is the guy you're

506
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Speaker 3: going to parade around yeah and so and be your

507
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Speaker 3: standard bearer for the Democrat or for the left leaning position.

508
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Speaker 4: It's the most progressive, radical thing ever. And when those

509
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Speaker 4: are the people that you're you're kind of highlighting. I

510
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Speaker 4: don't know.

511
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Speaker 3: I don't know that the power of the typical power

512
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Speaker 3: of persuasion works.

513
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Speaker 4: I see it on my Facebook page.

514
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Speaker 3: I mean, people I used to be friends with have

515
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Speaker 3: gone crazy.

516
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Speaker 1: You can't reason with crazy.

517
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Speaker 2: I mean that is very true, and there's nothing you

518
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Speaker 2: could say to make them come around. I completely you

519
00:27:08,960 --> 00:27:10,840
Speaker 2: might be right. I really hope you're not right, that

520
00:27:10,880 --> 00:27:15,399
Speaker 2: we are beyond unification. I'm not anywhere near retiring, so

521
00:27:15,440 --> 00:27:18,840
Speaker 2: I really hope you're wrong. But so let's talk real quick.

522
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Speaker 2: What do you think looking back? What metrics are.

523
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Speaker 1: You looking for out of RFK Junior's.

524
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Speaker 2: Ajhs to say this was the right move, this is

525
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Speaker 2: a success, and they can leave here feeling confident in

526
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Speaker 2: their abilities.

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Speaker 3: I think if we can simplify it, there's so many

528
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Speaker 3: niche discussions around vaccines, around autism, around environmental if we

529
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Speaker 3: can just get America less fat and less dependent on

530
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Speaker 3: pharmaceuticals and less dependent on the governess fat.

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Speaker 1: That doesn't mean less fat onnozempic.

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Speaker 4: Right, right, and less depend That's correct.

533
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Speaker 3: Because I got into a little scuffle, as I do

534
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Speaker 3: on social media, this was actually LinkedIn, so it was

535
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Speaker 3: a little more People on LinkedIn tend to be like,

536
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Speaker 3: you're right here, you're wrong there. They tend to be

537
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Speaker 3: a little bit more rational because it is more of

538
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Speaker 3: a professional platform.

539
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Speaker 4: Professional.

540
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Speaker 3: But you know this one girl on ozempic saying some

541
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Speaker 3: people need drugs the rest of their life. I'm like, well,

542
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Speaker 3: that shouldn't be the goal, right, and especially when other

543
00:28:32,720 --> 00:28:36,600
Speaker 3: people are paying for it. So I'm fine if you

544
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Speaker 3: want to use some sort of crutch she was calling it,

545
00:28:39,320 --> 00:28:41,520
Speaker 3: many people need a crutch for the rest of their lives.

546
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Speaker 3: I'm like, go ahead, use the crutch. But I don't

547
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Speaker 3: want to pay for it. So until you figure out

548
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Speaker 3: a system where I'm not paying for your ozempic for

549
00:28:48,000 --> 00:28:50,240
Speaker 3: the rest of your life, I'm fine with it. But

550
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Speaker 3: as it is now, we need to find we need

551
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Speaker 3: to push healthy food solutions, you know. And the other

552
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Speaker 3: thing is is I get in stuff too with libertarians

553
00:29:01,560 --> 00:29:02,280
Speaker 3: and that.

554
00:29:02,240 --> 00:29:04,520
Speaker 4: Are like, you know, get the government out of everything.

555
00:29:04,520 --> 00:29:07,280
Speaker 3: I was like, well, no, Like, there is a moral

556
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Speaker 3: imperative to the government a little bit, right, It's not

557
00:29:10,880 --> 00:29:13,840
Speaker 3: just all economics. We see what happens when a cultural

558
00:29:13,920 --> 00:29:18,920
Speaker 3: and moral decline kind of what happens to everything, and

559
00:29:19,000 --> 00:29:24,080
Speaker 3: so we want to use some sort of government incentives

560
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Speaker 3: to do good things, to do right, Like we're moral

561
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Speaker 3: animals were fallen. So what is the government put in place?

562
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Speaker 3: I'm thinking particularly with agriculture here, like, how do we

563
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Speaker 3: incentivize small farmers to stay in the market to grow

564
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Speaker 3: healthier food. Yes, it's great to say, well, if organic

565
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Speaker 3: farmers want want to do it on their own, that's

566
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Speaker 3: up to them, because in the long run they will

567
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Speaker 3: be financially more stable, they won't be as reliant on

568
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Speaker 3: government subsidies and crop insurance and all that.

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Speaker 4: But they might need.

570
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Speaker 3: A little again, here's a crutch that hopefully won't last forever. Right,

571
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Speaker 3: you give some smaller farmers an incentive or a boost

572
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Speaker 3: to start farming with better tools and less toxic toxic

573
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Speaker 3: tools whatever. If they want to, you don't force them,

574
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Speaker 3: and then you say, okay, off you go. You're an adult,

575
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Speaker 3: now figure it out on your own. We've helped you, right,

576
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Speaker 3: that's what the government should be there for. So kind

577
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Speaker 3: of to go back to your discussion of benchmarks, I

578
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Speaker 3: would like to see less people dependent on the government

579
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Speaker 3: medical system. We are spending too much money on trying

580
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Speaker 3: to keep people on life support. And the other thing

581
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Speaker 3: is that's no life. To me, good health is not

582
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Speaker 3: the absence of disease is not just like none of

583
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Speaker 3: my systems or symptoms part of me.

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Speaker 4: It's not like give me an SSRI. That's not good health.

585
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Speaker 3: Being on a zembic the rest of your life is

586
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Speaker 3: not good health. You're just masking symptoms. Right to me, disease,

587
00:31:00,480 --> 00:31:03,720
Speaker 3: These are all signs the body's telling you like something

588
00:31:03,840 --> 00:31:08,000
Speaker 3: is wrong, change something, do something right.

589
00:31:08,080 --> 00:31:10,920
Speaker 4: Depression, something's off. Right.

590
00:31:10,960 --> 00:31:14,360
Speaker 3: Here's an SSRI to get you to stable. So we

591
00:31:14,440 --> 00:31:17,640
Speaker 3: can start to look deeper into some of these things,

592
00:31:18,040 --> 00:31:22,520
Speaker 3: So you can be functioning, but something's off. And I

593
00:31:22,560 --> 00:31:26,520
Speaker 3: think you know as woo wo as it sounds from

594
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Speaker 3: someone like Casey means and maybe Cali means, and this

595
00:31:31,800 --> 00:31:34,080
Speaker 3: is somewhat of a I think the health crisis is

596
00:31:34,120 --> 00:31:36,600
Speaker 3: at the point now where we can acknowledge it as

597
00:31:36,760 --> 00:31:40,640
Speaker 3: this is a little bit of a spiritual crisis. Americans

598
00:31:40,680 --> 00:31:46,760
Speaker 3: are turning to things as addictions, so I don't I

599
00:31:46,760 --> 00:31:48,959
Speaker 3: think we need to treat food as an addiction like

600
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Speaker 3: we treat marijuana as an addiction. At any pharmaceutical that

601
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Speaker 3: you're dependent on for the rest of your life.

602
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Speaker 4: As an addiction.

603
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Speaker 3: It's a drug, it's an outside resource, which is fine

604
00:32:00,720 --> 00:32:04,200
Speaker 3: as a temporary band aid. But the minute we see

605
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Speaker 3: this as a solution to just kind of cover up

606
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Speaker 3: what's really going on, whether it's metabolic dysfunction, spiritual crisis,

607
00:32:16,000 --> 00:32:19,520
Speaker 3: mental health crisis, we really need and this is what

608
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Speaker 3: you hear in the MAHA movement across the board, is

609
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Speaker 3: its root cause?

610
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Speaker 4: What is at the root of your disease?

611
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Speaker 2: I mean, these are very complex questions, but this is

612
00:32:30,480 --> 00:32:33,880
Speaker 2: the first time anyone's asking them instead of the band

613
00:32:33,880 --> 00:32:36,760
Speaker 2: aids to treat the illness, instead of looking at the

614
00:32:36,840 --> 00:32:40,000
Speaker 2: root causes. And I'm so grateful that they're having this conversation,

615
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Speaker 2: But do you think it's realistic that in three years

616
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Speaker 2: we are actually going to have data showing results from this.

617
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Speaker 3: I think there might be some. I mean, I don't

618
00:32:51,280 --> 00:32:53,320
Speaker 3: need to see drastic results. I just need to see

619
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Speaker 3: the bars moving in the right direction. I just need

620
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Speaker 3: to see a decrease, even in the slightest I mean,

621
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Speaker 3: particularly with just.

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Speaker 4: Run of the mill average American.

623
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Speaker 3: Overweightness ob city right, like in the airports, right, I

624
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Speaker 3: just want to see you to Disneyland.

625
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Speaker 1: Let me know who you see exactly, who in the

626
00:33:14,760 --> 00:33:15,920
Speaker 1: cards for the disabled?

627
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I just want to see a little bit of

628
00:33:21,080 --> 00:33:23,560
Speaker 3: change in the right direction. You're right, And I've said

629
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Speaker 3: this over and over again. If we are depending on

630
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Speaker 3: Kennedy to carry this movement forward, it won't last. Part

631
00:33:31,480 --> 00:33:35,160
Speaker 3: of my goal at the Heritage Foundation is to convince

632
00:33:35,240 --> 00:33:39,640
Speaker 3: conservatives that this is as big a political item that

633
00:33:39,720 --> 00:33:42,920
Speaker 3: we should be voting on these issues, not these people necessarily,

634
00:33:43,000 --> 00:33:45,520
Speaker 3: but on these issues, and those who carry these issues

635
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Speaker 3: with as much diligence and passion as we voted on

636
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Speaker 3: the immigration standpoints we got immigration.

637
00:33:51,760 --> 00:33:53,080
Speaker 4: Under we're getting it there.

638
00:33:53,640 --> 00:33:56,440
Speaker 3: These need to be as a conservative for me and

639
00:33:56,640 --> 00:33:59,520
Speaker 3: by default a Republican. It might be an independent, but

640
00:33:59,520 --> 00:34:03,520
Speaker 3: it certainly it won't be a democrat. These need to

641
00:34:03,600 --> 00:34:08,759
Speaker 3: be cornerstones of their platform, of their political platform. And

642
00:34:09,560 --> 00:34:13,759
Speaker 3: if it has that much sway, then I think we

643
00:34:13,800 --> 00:34:18,160
Speaker 3: will start to see it out last any executive administration's

644
00:34:18,239 --> 00:34:24,640
Speaker 3: executive orders. I think people what you said, I think

645
00:34:24,640 --> 00:34:27,600
Speaker 3: the messaging is has been the biggest success.

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Speaker 4: I'm sure you.

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00:34:29,040 --> 00:34:32,360
Speaker 3: Know six months ago, even maybe eight months just before

648
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Speaker 3: Kennedy came on the scene, no one was talking about

649
00:34:35,440 --> 00:34:41,320
Speaker 3: metabolic dysfunction, got microbiome wroot cause disease. I mean, we

650
00:34:42,080 --> 00:34:44,759
Speaker 3: are in this field somewhat, and so we hear it

651
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Speaker 3: all the time.

652
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Speaker 4: I've been hearing it for ten years.

653
00:34:47,760 --> 00:34:51,680
Speaker 3: But just the fact that people are starting to read labels.

654
00:34:53,080 --> 00:34:56,560
Speaker 3: This has to be consumer driven, right, because policy can't

655
00:34:56,560 --> 00:34:59,480
Speaker 3: fix everything. I think it has to be consumer driven.

656
00:35:00,120 --> 00:35:02,840
Speaker 3: Is the heightened awareness to all these things, and I

657
00:35:02,880 --> 00:35:06,400
Speaker 3: think if we can focus on that and the positive

658
00:35:06,440 --> 00:35:10,040
Speaker 3: aspects of that, will kind of.

659
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Speaker 4: Be in this for the long haul. Well.

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Speaker 1: I don't want to try.

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Speaker 2: Too my own star, but I did write a book

662
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Speaker 2: in twenty twenty all about it's actually called Make America

663
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Speaker 2: Healthy Again, how bad behavior and big government caused a

664
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Speaker 2: trillion dollar crisis, And it was all about the leading

665
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Speaker 2: cause of illness and.

666
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Speaker 1: The root causes.

667
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Speaker 2: But it was a more of a policy driven book

668
00:35:30,840 --> 00:35:34,600
Speaker 2: as well, Affordable Care Act in that so you're right,

669
00:35:35,160 --> 00:35:37,920
Speaker 2: those topics were not picked up on, and it wasn't

670
00:35:38,000 --> 00:35:42,040
Speaker 2: until RFK came onto the scene that finally people are listening,

671
00:35:42,200 --> 00:35:46,880
Speaker 2: and it's just an incredible thing to witness. I just

672
00:35:47,000 --> 00:35:49,239
Speaker 2: hope that they can get there and some of the

673
00:35:49,280 --> 00:35:52,120
Speaker 2: politics can be checked at the door, because I think

674
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Speaker 2: a lot of what they're doing is truly for the

675
00:35:54,520 --> 00:35:55,359
Speaker 2: good of the nation.

676
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Speaker 1: You know, one thing, one.

677
00:35:57,480 --> 00:35:59,839
Speaker 2: Question I have for you, because you're plugged in, you're

678
00:35:59,840 --> 00:36:03,560
Speaker 2: on these signal chats with MAHA. Do you think you

679
00:36:03,560 --> 00:36:06,120
Speaker 2: know RFK Junior has vowed he's going to look into

680
00:36:06,200 --> 00:36:08,600
Speaker 2: vaccines and there are links to autism. I mean, that

681
00:36:08,800 --> 00:36:12,160
Speaker 2: is clearly something he has dedicated decades of his life

682
00:36:12,160 --> 00:36:16,759
Speaker 2: and career. Two recently he said the flu vaccines with

683
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Speaker 2: thy marisol are not going to be used here in

684
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Speaker 2: the United States. I mean, that was obviously a big announcement.

685
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Speaker 2: It's not huge in the sense that most kids here

686
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Speaker 2: in the United States don't have those multi dose files

687
00:36:29,160 --> 00:36:32,800
Speaker 2: that have thy marsol. But it's still a step towards

688
00:36:32,920 --> 00:36:36,360
Speaker 2: what people were asking of him. He says in September,

689
00:36:36,400 --> 00:36:39,520
Speaker 2: which we're now in, that he is going to, you know,

690
00:36:39,600 --> 00:36:41,839
Speaker 2: talk about some things that they have found that may

691
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Speaker 2: be linked to autism. They've already come out saying maybe

692
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Speaker 2: a stateominifin maternal use of it while pregnant. Will the

693
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Speaker 2: MOHA movement be satisfied if he does not come out

694
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Speaker 2: and say, you know, these vaccines.

695
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Speaker 1: Are directly linked to autism.

696
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Speaker 3: I think they need to. I think they put their

697
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Speaker 3: trust in him. He's done this research, you know, like

698
00:37:05,160 --> 00:37:08,440
Speaker 3: you said, he's that that was his primary fight and

699
00:37:08,600 --> 00:37:11,600
Speaker 3: kind of against his own will, like he didn't He's like, eh,

700
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Speaker 3: this is not really like these mothers came to him

701
00:37:13,920 --> 00:37:16,680
Speaker 3: and he was overwhelmed by it that he decided to

702
00:37:16,680 --> 00:37:19,840
Speaker 3: pick up this cause. So I think we need to

703
00:37:19,880 --> 00:37:24,480
Speaker 3: trust him. And and then he needs to provide the

704
00:37:24,600 --> 00:37:28,440
Speaker 3: data or if he wants to have the NIH and

705
00:37:28,640 --> 00:37:33,439
Speaker 3: and and put some funding, say okay, here's some descriptive analysis.

706
00:37:33,760 --> 00:37:37,000
Speaker 4: This is this is this justifies.

707
00:37:36,520 --> 00:37:42,239
Speaker 3: A more intense rigorous research that that will delve into.

708
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Speaker 3: But I'll trust him. I honestly think he wants what's best.

709
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Speaker 3: I mean, I also see like our kind of maternity practices.

710
00:37:53,560 --> 00:37:55,720
Speaker 3: I don't have children, so I was kind of shocked

711
00:37:55,760 --> 00:37:59,400
Speaker 3: when I learned that, like mothers didn't didn't breastfeed anymore,

712
00:37:59,480 --> 00:38:01,480
Speaker 3: they just did and think that I was like such

713
00:38:01,520 --> 00:38:05,360
Speaker 3: a natural process that I always viewed as like you know,

714
00:38:06,040 --> 00:38:11,239
Speaker 3: childbirth and breastfeeding. Then to find out like people are

715
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Speaker 3: having c sections because of convenience, like oh I want

716
00:38:13,840 --> 00:38:16,480
Speaker 3: to have not because of a medical emergency, but because

717
00:38:16,520 --> 00:38:18,000
Speaker 3: it's like, oh I just don't want to have the

718
00:38:18,000 --> 00:38:19,520
Speaker 3: baby on that data, I don't want to wait.

719
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Speaker 4: Are my doctor's going on vacation.

720
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Speaker 3: I was like, just common sense would tell me, like,

721
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Speaker 3: there is a natural birth process for a reason. There's

722
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Speaker 3: a benefit to the probably both the mother and the child,

723
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Speaker 3: to the national Yeah, and I know that, Yeah, but

724
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Speaker 3: common sense would just tell me. And now they say

725
00:38:38,440 --> 00:38:40,560
Speaker 3: it has a lot to do with the immune system, right,

726
00:38:40,680 --> 00:38:44,040
Speaker 3: like kind of dopamine that goes through are some some

727
00:38:44,160 --> 00:38:48,360
Speaker 3: more chemicals that when the child goes through the vaginal canal,

728
00:38:48,440 --> 00:38:51,080
Speaker 3: like all of these things and I'm like, I don't

729
00:38:51,080 --> 00:38:53,080
Speaker 3: know that that has anything to do with autism, but

730
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Speaker 3: I'd be curious to find out, right, And so I'm

731
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Speaker 3: very curious about this report that will come out. I'm

732
00:39:00,920 --> 00:39:02,920
Speaker 3: not willing to say it's all vaccines. I think it

733
00:39:02,960 --> 00:39:09,040
Speaker 3: could be a multiple of causes and kind of multi factorial,

734
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Speaker 3: and I think even Kennedy has alluded to that, Like,

735
00:39:11,560 --> 00:39:14,160
Speaker 3: it's really hard because so much has changed so quickly

736
00:39:14,239 --> 00:39:17,520
Speaker 3: in our culture, with our food supply, with the way

737
00:39:17,600 --> 00:39:21,240
Speaker 3: we do medical care for women women's health, which really

738
00:39:21,280 --> 00:39:25,480
Speaker 3: hasn't been studied that in depth. I think it's going

739
00:39:25,520 --> 00:39:28,919
Speaker 3: to be hard to pinpoint one thing. I think what's

740
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Speaker 3: interesting is though, the rapid increase in the number of

741
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Speaker 3: vaccinations within the childhood vaccine schedule. So again, to me,

742
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Speaker 3: it's not one thing. It could be all of these

743
00:39:39,239 --> 00:39:41,960
Speaker 3: things at one time. And that's my thought with the

744
00:39:42,040 --> 00:39:44,880
Speaker 3: childhood vaccine scene schedule, it's not one vaccine, it's you

745
00:39:44,920 --> 00:39:48,880
Speaker 3: are just loading these kids up with different things that

746
00:39:48,920 --> 00:39:50,600
Speaker 3: they've never been loaded with before.

747
00:39:50,640 --> 00:39:53,480
Speaker 4: How are we supposed to pinpoint one thing?

748
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Speaker 2: Well, I was actually pleasantly surprised when they mentioned just

749
00:39:57,640 --> 00:40:02,680
Speaker 2: the staminifin or tile and all for most people that

750
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Speaker 2: that's what they were looking at that with the autism,

751
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Speaker 2: because for me, if he was only looking at vaccines

752
00:40:09,719 --> 00:40:12,640
Speaker 2: right now, I think that would be a massive mistake

753
00:40:12,840 --> 00:40:16,480
Speaker 2: because there is an increase incidence in autism, and it's

754
00:40:16,520 --> 00:40:20,320
Speaker 2: not just expanding the diagnostic criteria. Like enough, that is

755
00:40:20,400 --> 00:40:24,399
Speaker 2: part of it, but you can't deny it. But if

756
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Speaker 2: you only focus on the vaccines, I think that would

757
00:40:26,560 --> 00:40:29,719
Speaker 2: have been a massive disservice to those children and the

758
00:40:29,760 --> 00:40:32,319
Speaker 2: families who are suffering from it as well, because I

759
00:40:32,320 --> 00:40:33,879
Speaker 2: think it's going to be much bigger and I don't

760
00:40:33,880 --> 00:40:35,160
Speaker 2: think it's going to be one thing. I think it's

761
00:40:35,160 --> 00:40:37,880
Speaker 2: gonna be a lot of things. So when he said

762
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Speaker 2: that they had looked at that, I'm like, that's great,

763
00:40:39,880 --> 00:40:41,640
Speaker 2: because this is what we need. We need someone who's

764
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Speaker 2: going to look at everything and not be stuck in

765
00:40:43,760 --> 00:40:47,000
Speaker 2: the back room or the microcosm. So, you know, I

766
00:40:47,040 --> 00:40:52,160
Speaker 2: think exciting times ahead. Cautiously optimistic, at least from my standpoint.

767
00:40:52,480 --> 00:40:55,680
Speaker 2: I hope we can get some more people in front

768
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Speaker 2: of the camera delivering some of these messages and milestones

769
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Speaker 2: just to try and decrease the partisanship, because ultimately I

770
00:41:04,280 --> 00:41:07,400
Speaker 2: think that what they are wanting to is to improve

771
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Speaker 2: the health of America and anybody who is against that

772
00:41:10,560 --> 00:41:11,440
Speaker 2: are anti American.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm interested as a practicing doctor, you know, I

774
00:41:16,480 --> 00:41:18,120
Speaker 3: think a lot of these things.

775
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Speaker 4: Is what doctors do.

776
00:41:19,600 --> 00:41:22,560
Speaker 3: We've put doctors on a pedestal to know the answer.

777
00:41:23,040 --> 00:41:26,480
Speaker 3: But part of the what I would think of doctor's

778
00:41:26,560 --> 00:41:29,719
Speaker 3: role is to ask questions of the patient and then

779
00:41:29,760 --> 00:41:32,400
Speaker 3: you're like, well, it might be this thing. Well, it

780
00:41:32,520 --> 00:41:35,040
Speaker 3: might be what you're eating, or it might be your

781
00:41:35,080 --> 00:41:37,960
Speaker 3: sleep habits, or it might be your gut, or it could.

782
00:41:37,719 --> 00:41:39,760
Speaker 1: Be and all of the above.

783
00:41:40,520 --> 00:41:42,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, and it could be all of the above. And

784
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Speaker 3: I think that's what good medicine is, whether it's just

785
00:41:44,840 --> 00:41:47,759
Speaker 3: in a patient doctor relationship or whether we're talking about

786
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Speaker 3: our agencies. Like you said, we should be looking at

787
00:41:50,760 --> 00:41:55,960
Speaker 3: everything and then tailoring broad recommendations. That's what I think

788
00:41:55,960 --> 00:42:00,000
Speaker 3: people also need to remember is the government is not

789
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Speaker 3: the end to all be all.

790
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Speaker 2: These are not We're we're all in a world of

791
00:42:04,480 --> 00:42:05,600
Speaker 2: trouble if that's the case.

792
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Speaker 4: But I think people have placed too much faith in

793
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Speaker 4: that as well.

794
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Speaker 1: Well, Yes, I mean that's part of the big problem.

795
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Speaker 2: I'm in a unique position in the sense that my

796
00:42:15,840 --> 00:42:18,959
Speaker 2: day job is diagnosing cancer, and so I tell people

797
00:42:19,040 --> 00:42:20,560
Speaker 2: they have cancer every single day.

798
00:42:21,320 --> 00:42:24,520
Speaker 1: But when I have why my mission.

799
00:42:24,200 --> 00:42:28,279
Speaker 2: And passion have gone to root causes a long time

800
00:42:28,280 --> 00:42:32,720
Speaker 2: ago and early detection of disease is because it often

801
00:42:32,760 --> 00:42:35,200
Speaker 2: takes when I tell someone they have cancer for them

802
00:42:35,239 --> 00:42:38,880
Speaker 2: to want to then live a healthier life, and I

803
00:42:39,040 --> 00:42:42,800
Speaker 2: wonder why they didn't want to live the healthier life

804
00:42:42,880 --> 00:42:46,239
Speaker 2: before the cancer diagnosis. And so that's kind of been

805
00:42:46,280 --> 00:42:48,520
Speaker 2: my impetus and my messaging. And one thing that I

806
00:42:48,520 --> 00:42:51,359
Speaker 2: say to people more than anyone else when they ask

807
00:42:51,520 --> 00:42:55,080
Speaker 2: my opinion on things, is that you know your body

808
00:42:55,120 --> 00:42:57,600
Speaker 2: better than anyone else. All I can do is tell

809
00:42:57,640 --> 00:43:02,480
Speaker 2: you everything I know. Ultimately, it's your choice and I'm

810
00:43:02,480 --> 00:43:04,960
Speaker 2: here to help guide you, and if I don't know

811
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Speaker 2: the answer, I'm going to be the first to admit it.

812
00:43:09,239 --> 00:43:11,319
Speaker 3: It kind of just got chills because I think that's

813
00:43:11,360 --> 00:43:14,960
Speaker 3: really you know, people need to take back some sovereignty

814
00:43:15,080 --> 00:43:20,040
Speaker 3: over their own medical decisions. And the more the government

815
00:43:20,120 --> 00:43:22,879
Speaker 3: imposes on us and say says you have to get

816
00:43:22,920 --> 00:43:26,520
Speaker 3: the vaccine, I think you're seeing a natural rebellion because

817
00:43:27,120 --> 00:43:32,960
Speaker 3: inherently human dignity involves please don't tell me that you

818
00:43:33,120 --> 00:43:39,279
Speaker 3: know better than I know what's happening with me. Right anybody? Yeah, yeah,

819
00:43:39,320 --> 00:43:43,440
Speaker 3: anybody with a smidge of self reflection. And I think

820
00:43:43,480 --> 00:43:47,440
Speaker 3: anybody that's diagnosed with a disease as severe as cancer

821
00:43:49,880 --> 00:43:54,440
Speaker 3: will have I would think come to some point of

822
00:43:54,480 --> 00:43:56,919
Speaker 3: self reflection and say, how did it get here?

823
00:43:57,200 --> 00:43:58,279
Speaker 4: What did I ignore?

824
00:43:59,520 --> 00:44:01,640
Speaker 3: What can I do now to the best of my

825
00:44:01,719 --> 00:44:06,520
Speaker 3: ability to heal? And that doesn't involve necessarily the government.

826
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Speaker 3: You know, you have to do some soul searching when

827
00:44:09,440 --> 00:44:12,520
Speaker 3: I think you get to that point of severe chronic disease.

828
00:44:13,880 --> 00:44:16,160
Speaker 3: And that would be my message to everyone is take

829
00:44:16,200 --> 00:44:18,960
Speaker 3: back some sovereignty over your own life, over your own

830
00:44:18,960 --> 00:44:22,759
Speaker 3: medical decisions. Sure, these are guidelines that sit down and

831
00:44:22,800 --> 00:44:25,839
Speaker 3: talk with people you trust, get second opinions or remember

832
00:44:26,280 --> 00:44:28,399
Speaker 3: those second opinions, and right, I.

833
00:44:28,320 --> 00:44:30,080
Speaker 1: Get a third opinion if they disagree.

834
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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, and I did that with me, Like I

835
00:44:33,800 --> 00:44:35,960
Speaker 3: know people that do that with like an acl Tare

836
00:44:36,520 --> 00:44:38,919
Speaker 3: you know about the best treatment or the best way

837
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Speaker 3: to handle it? The best PT do I do PT

838
00:44:41,920 --> 00:44:46,040
Speaker 3: before and after just after you know those things. You

839
00:44:46,120 --> 00:44:48,320
Speaker 3: know who to trust, like you know who you resonate

840
00:44:48,400 --> 00:44:53,640
Speaker 3: with and what's going to align with your fundamental beliefs

841
00:44:53,719 --> 00:44:57,720
Speaker 3: about healing. So I just wish people would would stop

842
00:44:57,760 --> 00:45:00,960
Speaker 3: looking to the government. It's so I ironic that all

843
00:45:01,000 --> 00:45:06,800
Speaker 3: of a sudden, these institutions that completely failed us during

844
00:45:06,920 --> 00:45:10,440
Speaker 3: COVID are being held as the standard birds of gold

845
00:45:10,480 --> 00:45:12,080
Speaker 3: standard science, you know, or.

846
00:45:12,160 --> 00:45:14,280
Speaker 1: The I think they still know what's best.

847
00:45:14,640 --> 00:45:18,879
Speaker 2: Well, there's definitely a movement and everyone can feel it's

848
00:45:18,920 --> 00:45:21,800
Speaker 2: in the airs on the ground. So I'm so grateful

849
00:45:21,840 --> 00:45:24,399
Speaker 2: that you came on Wellness Unmasked to talk about this.

850
00:45:24,760 --> 00:45:28,960
Speaker 2: It's a really tough discussion, a difficult discussion, but we

851
00:45:29,040 --> 00:45:33,160
Speaker 2: have to keep having these discussions because ultimately all we

852
00:45:33,200 --> 00:45:35,760
Speaker 2: want is to make America healthy again.

853
00:45:36,760 --> 00:45:39,080
Speaker 3: I agree, and I'm so happy to come on anytime.

854
00:45:39,200 --> 00:45:43,200
Speaker 3: I love discussing people with people I disagree with. I

855
00:45:43,200 --> 00:45:45,440
Speaker 3: think it's very helpful for the audience to hear and

856
00:45:46,239 --> 00:45:48,800
Speaker 3: hopefully inspires people to go read a little bit more

857
00:45:48,840 --> 00:45:50,239
Speaker 3: and open their mind a bit more.

858
00:45:50,280 --> 00:45:52,080
Speaker 4: So thank you so much for having me on. Although

859
00:45:52,239 --> 00:45:54,520
Speaker 4: ultimately I think we agree on that, I don't.

860
00:45:54,320 --> 00:45:56,960
Speaker 1: Know if we disagree on things. I think we agree

861
00:45:56,960 --> 00:45:58,359
Speaker 1: on a lot of the message.

862
00:45:58,719 --> 00:46:02,640
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, sure, all right, Thanks more coming up on

863
00:46:02,680 --> 00:46:09,080
Speaker 2: Wellness Unmasked with doctor Nicole Saphire. Well, that's it for

864
00:46:09,120 --> 00:46:11,879
Speaker 2: today's episode of Wellness Unmass. Yes, there was some back

865
00:46:11,880 --> 00:46:13,799
Speaker 2: and forth, but at the end of the day, we

866
00:46:13,880 --> 00:46:17,480
Speaker 2: really agree on the big issues. We want what's best

867
00:46:17,480 --> 00:46:20,600
Speaker 2: for our children, what's best for our families, and ultimately

868
00:46:20,760 --> 00:46:23,319
Speaker 2: we just want to make America healthy again. So a

869
00:46:23,320 --> 00:46:26,280
Speaker 2: big thank you to Jennifer Gallardi and the Heritage Foundation

870
00:46:26,760 --> 00:46:29,600
Speaker 2: for joining us today. The fact that the former CDC

871
00:46:29,719 --> 00:46:34,120
Speaker 2: directors are publicly banding together to try and influence leadership

872
00:46:34,120 --> 00:46:37,359
Speaker 2: at AHHS, it just shows how high the stakes are

873
00:46:37,480 --> 00:46:41,239
Speaker 2: for the future of health policy. In my opinion, sometimes

874
00:46:41,280 --> 00:46:44,680
Speaker 2: the right messenger is just as important as the message

875
00:46:44,719 --> 00:46:48,200
Speaker 2: being delivered. So that is my hope for AHHS and

876
00:46:48,360 --> 00:46:51,279
Speaker 2: President Trump in the White House. Let's focus on who

877
00:46:51,360 --> 00:46:54,880
Speaker 2: is delivering the message because no one can argue with

878
00:46:55,000 --> 00:46:57,880
Speaker 2: the goal of making America healthy again. Thanks for listening

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Speaker 2: to Wellness Unmass on America's number one podcast network, iHeart.

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Speaker 2: Follow Wellness Unmasked with after Nicole Sapphire and start listening

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Speaker 2: and we will see you next time.