1 00:00:04,795 --> 00:00:22,475 Speaker 1: Countdown with Keith Olderman is a production of iHeartRadio Happy 2 00:00:22,875 --> 00:00:28,675 Speaker 1: Mugshot Day. Maybe as we await the defendant and we 3 00:00:28,795 --> 00:00:31,515 Speaker 1: pray snap snap grin, grin wink wink, say no mo. 4 00:00:32,315 --> 00:00:35,355 Speaker 1: As Trump starts his journey to the White House or 5 00:00:35,395 --> 00:00:40,355 Speaker 1: the Big House, something has happened in the calculations of 6 00:00:40,435 --> 00:00:43,955 Speaker 1: other Republicans regarding today's indictment of Trump. It could all 7 00:00:44,075 --> 00:00:48,515 Speaker 1: vanish by tonight. But yesterday Nikki Haley and Tim Scott 8 00:00:48,555 --> 00:00:53,675 Speaker 1: both clearly and loudly raised the possibility that Trump is guilty, 9 00:00:54,395 --> 00:00:58,515 Speaker 1: and Haley suggested he may have jeopardized national security and 10 00:00:58,755 --> 00:01:02,195 Speaker 1: risk the lives of US service personnel. And yes, it 11 00:01:02,315 --> 00:01:05,395 Speaker 1: is just the slightest sliver of daylight over in the 12 00:01:05,515 --> 00:01:08,755 Speaker 1: land of perpetual darkness that is Donald Trump and the 13 00:01:08,755 --> 00:01:13,875 Speaker 1: coalition of hatreds. We have all experienced those slivers before, 14 00:01:14,435 --> 00:01:17,075 Speaker 1: and we have all then watched the fascist inclined portion 15 00:01:17,195 --> 00:01:20,155 Speaker 1: of this nation come down upon the transgressors like all 16 00:01:20,235 --> 00:01:23,715 Speaker 1: the tons of bricks ever produced, and they have slinked 17 00:01:23,755 --> 00:01:27,995 Speaker 1: back to deny, retract, emend, and beg forgiveness of that 18 00:01:28,195 --> 00:01:32,995 Speaker 1: disorganized crime boss who heads their cult. But for now 19 00:01:33,715 --> 00:01:37,195 Speaker 1: Trumpists must be looking at Tim Scott and Nicky Haley 20 00:01:37,555 --> 00:01:41,795 Speaker 1: like they were Martians who just ripped off their human masks. 21 00:01:42,235 --> 00:01:46,835 Speaker 1: So get your popcorn. For however long this lasts, it's 22 00:01:46,875 --> 00:01:53,355 Speaker 1: gonna be great because something has happened. Quote, this case 23 00:01:53,675 --> 00:01:59,355 Speaker 1: is a serious case, Senator Scott said at Spartanburg, South Carolina, yesterday, 24 00:01:59,795 --> 00:02:06,955 Speaker 1: with serious allegations. That does not sound like much if 25 00:02:06,955 --> 00:02:10,675 Speaker 1: you're normal, And it was accompanied with the usual blather 26 00:02:10,755 --> 00:02:15,395 Speaker 1: about double standards and hunting Republicans. But remember the context here. 27 00:02:15,795 --> 00:02:18,995 Speaker 1: Nobody to the left of Mitt Romney or Chris Christy 28 00:02:19,115 --> 00:02:23,555 Speaker 1: had even said anything that strong. Tim Scott's use of 29 00:02:23,595 --> 00:02:27,035 Speaker 1: the word serious is closer to him saying something like 30 00:02:27,355 --> 00:02:31,395 Speaker 1: Trump is a traitor than it is to what ninety 31 00:02:31,475 --> 00:02:35,075 Speaker 1: nine percent of Republican politicians have said so far. And 32 00:02:35,235 --> 00:02:39,835 Speaker 1: remember that ridiculous as it might be, Tim Scott is 33 00:02:40,115 --> 00:02:44,035 Speaker 1: running for the Republican presidential nomination, and that there have 34 00:02:44,115 --> 00:02:46,795 Speaker 1: been calls on the right for him and everybody but 35 00:02:47,035 --> 00:02:50,635 Speaker 1: Trump to drop out and endorse Trump as a way 36 00:02:50,875 --> 00:02:54,395 Speaker 1: to show they believe in Trump. And that after Trump 37 00:02:54,395 --> 00:02:57,155 Speaker 1: said Thursday he had been indicted, Scott said the scales 38 00:02:57,155 --> 00:03:00,675 Speaker 1: of justice were waited and he gave the indictment no legitimacy. 39 00:03:00,715 --> 00:03:04,235 Speaker 1: And Scott said this yesterday at a campaign event in 40 00:03:04,275 --> 00:03:07,315 Speaker 1: which the Senator was rolling out the endorsement of his 41 00:03:07,475 --> 00:03:12,475 Speaker 1: presidential candidacy by one hundred and forty South Carolina politicians, 42 00:03:12,835 --> 00:03:16,435 Speaker 1: none of whom walked off the stage when he said it. 43 00:03:18,915 --> 00:03:22,395 Speaker 1: And while the squeak heard round the Trump world was 44 00:03:22,595 --> 00:03:27,035 Speaker 1: still reverberating, Nikki Haley went on Fox and said, if 45 00:03:27,075 --> 00:03:33,395 Speaker 1: the indictment is true, quote, President Trump was incredibly reckless 46 00:03:33,475 --> 00:03:39,395 Speaker 1: with our national security. That's Trump and reckless in the 47 00:03:39,475 --> 00:03:44,115 Speaker 1: same sentence uttered by another Republican on the eve of 48 00:03:44,155 --> 00:03:47,355 Speaker 1: his arraignment. And she is running for the nomination and 49 00:03:47,475 --> 00:03:54,355 Speaker 1: running against Trump. And wait, there's more quote more than that. 50 00:03:54,595 --> 00:03:58,035 Speaker 1: She said. I'm a military spouse. My husband's about to 51 00:03:58,155 --> 00:04:02,075 Speaker 1: deploy this weekend. This puts all of our military men 52 00:04:02,115 --> 00:04:05,235 Speaker 1: and women in danger. If you talk about what our 53 00:04:05,315 --> 00:04:08,275 Speaker 1: military is capable of, or how we would go about 54 00:04:08,315 --> 00:04:14,275 Speaker 1: invading or doing something with one of our enemies in 55 00:04:14,355 --> 00:04:17,915 Speaker 1: a time of terrified subservience, as if Trump were stalin 56 00:04:18,195 --> 00:04:22,675 Speaker 1: with a case of hemorrhoids. Nikki Haley saying that even 57 00:04:22,835 --> 00:04:25,755 Speaker 1: mixed in with her own caveats that she still thinks 58 00:04:25,795 --> 00:04:29,515 Speaker 1: the Department of Justice has lost all CREDI milin huh, 59 00:04:29,595 --> 00:04:34,835 Speaker 1: this resounds like the freaking Gettysburg address. She accused Trump 60 00:04:35,035 --> 00:04:38,755 Speaker 1: of being reckless with the national security and with endangering 61 00:04:38,755 --> 00:04:42,715 Speaker 1: the lives of military men and women, and talking about 62 00:04:42,755 --> 00:04:46,195 Speaker 1: our military plans to invade or defend against other countries. 63 00:04:47,115 --> 00:04:52,635 Speaker 1: In other words, she said everything I said on this 64 00:04:52,755 --> 00:04:59,355 Speaker 1: podcast yesterday. She said all the things democrats won't say, 65 00:05:00,275 --> 00:05:05,315 Speaker 1: and she said them on Fox and just in case 66 00:05:05,955 --> 00:05:08,435 Speaker 1: Trump did not know that she had actually had the 67 00:05:08,555 --> 00:05:10,955 Speaker 1: nerve to hit him, to call him out as a 68 00:05:11,115 --> 00:05:14,155 Speaker 1: danger to the national security and a danger to the 69 00:05:14,195 --> 00:05:17,395 Speaker 1: troops and reckless. She went back in and she hit 70 00:05:17,475 --> 00:05:22,395 Speaker 1: him again. Quote. If that's the case, it's reckless, it's frustrating, 71 00:05:22,715 --> 00:05:28,355 Speaker 1: and it causes problems. She did not finish up strong. 72 00:05:28,435 --> 00:05:33,635 Speaker 1: But still the Bible says the meek shall inherit the earth, 73 00:05:33,675 --> 00:05:35,835 Speaker 1: and in this life. They do not come any meeker 74 00:05:35,875 --> 00:05:39,435 Speaker 1: than an African American man who is a Republican and 75 00:05:39,475 --> 00:05:42,515 Speaker 1: has been an acolyte of Trump's and a woman who 76 00:05:42,595 --> 00:05:47,715 Speaker 1: was born Nimurata Ranjawa to immigrants from the Punjab, who 77 00:05:47,795 --> 00:05:50,915 Speaker 1: was actually Trump's ambassador to the United Nations. That is 78 00:05:50,955 --> 00:05:54,555 Speaker 1: as meek as you get. Of all the challengers to Trump, 79 00:05:54,555 --> 00:05:57,595 Speaker 1: announced or unannounced, Tim Scott and Nikki Haley would be 80 00:05:57,635 --> 00:05:59,915 Speaker 1: the last two I would have expected this from. And 81 00:05:59,955 --> 00:06:02,435 Speaker 1: they did it on the same day, and they did 82 00:06:02,475 --> 00:06:06,075 Speaker 1: it in what was for them high profile venues. And 83 00:06:06,115 --> 00:06:11,355 Speaker 1: it means that they have somehow, for some reason, completely 84 00:06:11,475 --> 00:06:18,355 Speaker 1: recalculated this equation. Scott had slammed the indictments unequivocally on Thursday. 85 00:06:19,115 --> 00:06:23,635 Speaker 1: On Friday, Friday, Haley had tweeted, this is not how 86 00:06:23,995 --> 00:06:28,515 Speaker 1: justice should be pursued in our country. Seventy two hours later, 87 00:06:28,555 --> 00:06:31,635 Speaker 1: and Trump is quote reckless with our national security. And 88 00:06:31,675 --> 00:06:33,795 Speaker 1: I know I left out the ifs, and I did 89 00:06:33,795 --> 00:06:37,795 Speaker 1: that because it will be heard among Republicans without the ifs. 90 00:06:39,395 --> 00:06:46,275 Speaker 1: Something has happened. Haley and Scott did not grow consciences 91 00:06:46,355 --> 00:06:50,515 Speaker 1: over the weekend. The scales did not fall from their eyes. 92 00:06:51,395 --> 00:06:54,515 Speaker 1: Neither is smart enough to have figured this all out 93 00:06:54,595 --> 00:07:00,395 Speaker 1: by themselves. They have to have seen internal polling or 94 00:07:00,475 --> 00:07:03,795 Speaker 1: heard dire assessments of what is behind the indictment, or 95 00:07:03,835 --> 00:07:07,595 Speaker 1: gotten advice people they know and people they think know 96 00:07:08,515 --> 00:07:14,035 Speaker 1: that this is the moment too, however tentatively, however, redolent 97 00:07:14,115 --> 00:07:17,435 Speaker 1: of leaving a trail of breadcrumbs behind you, So maybe 98 00:07:17,435 --> 00:07:19,635 Speaker 1: you can still find your way out of the forest. 99 00:07:20,075 --> 00:07:25,995 Speaker 1: This is the moment to turn on Trump. It could 100 00:07:26,035 --> 00:07:29,995 Speaker 1: be something anything that we don't know about, or it 101 00:07:30,035 --> 00:07:32,275 Speaker 1: could be something as simple as what the Wall Street 102 00:07:32,355 --> 00:07:37,555 Speaker 1: Journal put up at noon yesterday, a headline, Trump needs 103 00:07:37,715 --> 00:07:43,955 Speaker 1: white suburban women. His indictment splits them, key swing group 104 00:07:44,035 --> 00:07:47,315 Speaker 1: could help decide who takes White House in twenty twenty four. 105 00:07:48,995 --> 00:07:53,795 Speaker 1: The article beneath is the standard formula thumbsucker, the journal's 106 00:07:53,835 --> 00:07:56,195 Speaker 1: equivalent of the New York Times, and it's dozens of 107 00:07:56,235 --> 00:08:00,995 Speaker 1: correspondents reporting from that diner in this Ohio town. There 108 00:08:01,035 --> 00:08:05,915 Speaker 1: are exactly two white suburban women and quoted in the piece, 109 00:08:06,675 --> 00:08:10,755 Speaker 1: and two Polsters. And there isn't even one sentence in 110 00:08:10,795 --> 00:08:14,035 Speaker 1: the whole thing worth reading to you. But imagine being 111 00:08:14,155 --> 00:08:18,075 Speaker 1: Nicky Haley or Tim Scott or somebody close to them, 112 00:08:18,355 --> 00:08:21,595 Speaker 1: and being just sentient enough to know that you are 113 00:08:21,675 --> 00:08:24,235 Speaker 1: not going to beat Donald Trump for the nomination. You're 114 00:08:24,275 --> 00:08:26,835 Speaker 1: either going to have to shive him, or you're going 115 00:08:26,915 --> 00:08:29,595 Speaker 1: to have to be well positioned when something forces him 116 00:08:29,595 --> 00:08:33,115 Speaker 1: to drop out. Imagine being either one of them and 117 00:08:33,235 --> 00:08:37,275 Speaker 1: seeing the headline Trump needs white suburban women. His indictment 118 00:08:37,315 --> 00:08:40,875 Speaker 1: splits them key swing group could help decide who takes 119 00:08:40,875 --> 00:08:45,275 Speaker 1: White House in twenty twenty four. I know white suburban women. 120 00:08:49,035 --> 00:08:54,235 Speaker 1: Of course, Haley and Scott have since been joined by nobody. 121 00:08:54,955 --> 00:08:58,195 Speaker 1: If that changes, especially today, especially on the day of 122 00:08:58,595 --> 00:09:02,235 Speaker 1: or tomorrow, in the immediate wake of the indictments, then 123 00:09:02,275 --> 00:09:06,235 Speaker 1: we've got something going. And it is still galling that 124 00:09:06,315 --> 00:09:10,195 Speaker 1: these statements are especially graded for their degree of difficulty 125 00:09:10,275 --> 00:09:13,875 Speaker 1: and degree of survivability. They are stronger than anything that 126 00:09:13,955 --> 00:09:16,755 Speaker 1: any Democrat has said since the news broke last Thursday night. 127 00:09:17,955 --> 00:09:24,355 Speaker 1: He's down kick him. If Nicky Haley can kick him, 128 00:09:24,995 --> 00:09:30,835 Speaker 1: Joe Biden can kick him. Now across the rest of 129 00:09:30,875 --> 00:09:34,475 Speaker 1: the fascist hellscape, the amount of Republican brown nosing of 130 00:09:34,555 --> 00:09:38,115 Speaker 1: Trump is still so severe that it would take the 131 00:09:38,235 --> 00:09:42,315 Speaker 1: jaws of life to extract the probosis in question. That 132 00:09:42,515 --> 00:09:46,955 Speaker 1: is unchanged and nearly unanimous. And every time somebody writes 133 00:09:46,995 --> 00:09:49,395 Speaker 1: something like in the Hill about a week ago, quote, 134 00:09:49,635 --> 00:09:52,635 Speaker 1: is Kevin McCarthy just really that good at his job? 135 00:09:52,675 --> 00:09:55,675 Speaker 1: And you think, you think, just for a second, that 136 00:09:55,795 --> 00:10:02,515 Speaker 1: Kevin McCarthy is not a flaming idiot. Kevin McCarthy makes 137 00:10:02,555 --> 00:10:06,155 Speaker 1: sure he circles back and fine a camera and finds 138 00:10:06,155 --> 00:10:09,635 Speaker 1: a microphone so he can prove to you, Oh, yes, 139 00:10:09,715 --> 00:10:12,315 Speaker 1: the hell I am got a good look for the 140 00:10:12,355 --> 00:10:15,995 Speaker 1: former president to have boxes in a bathroom. I don't know. 141 00:10:16,075 --> 00:10:18,075 Speaker 1: Is it a good picture to have boxes in a 142 00:10:18,115 --> 00:10:21,475 Speaker 1: garage that opens up all the time? A bathroom door locks. 143 00:10:21,795 --> 00:10:26,915 Speaker 1: Kevin is willing to assume Trump locks the bathroom door. 144 00:10:27,875 --> 00:10:31,515 Speaker 1: What did I say yesterday? What did I say yesterday? Larry? 145 00:10:32,675 --> 00:10:35,715 Speaker 1: Let me quote the script. The only thing missing from 146 00:10:35,795 --> 00:10:39,035 Speaker 1: this string of illogic with which he keeps his suckers 147 00:10:39,115 --> 00:10:42,995 Speaker 1: hypnotized like cats jumping at feathers is the argument that 148 00:10:43,035 --> 00:10:47,075 Speaker 1: the documents were secure at marri Lago, because who would 149 00:10:47,155 --> 00:10:52,755 Speaker 1: ever be willing to go inside Trump's bathroom? Kevin McCarthy 150 00:10:53,275 --> 00:10:58,875 Speaker 1: fulfilling my prophecies, and Nikki Haley echoing my argument's almost 151 00:10:58,955 --> 00:11:06,115 Speaker 1: word for word, Jesus suffering f stop room door locks. 152 00:11:07,395 --> 00:11:10,195 Speaker 1: Kevin has never seen a lock on a garage door, evidently, 153 00:11:10,835 --> 00:11:14,915 Speaker 1: and that one last electrical impulse in his brain that 154 00:11:14,955 --> 00:11:17,795 Speaker 1: would have reminded him that the bathroom was within yards 155 00:11:17,795 --> 00:11:20,915 Speaker 1: of a public ballroom and a cheap golf course favored 156 00:11:20,915 --> 00:11:25,915 Speaker 1: by neighborhood spies. And that the garage, you know, wasn't 157 00:11:27,395 --> 00:11:31,395 Speaker 1: that impulse died trying to jump from Kevin's neuron number 158 00:11:31,435 --> 00:11:34,795 Speaker 1: one of two and his neuron number two of two 159 00:11:35,715 --> 00:11:40,435 Speaker 1: a bathroom door locks. Why It's like speaker Henry Clay 160 00:11:40,555 --> 00:11:46,475 Speaker 1: has been reincarnated and circulates among us baller Cronk CBS 161 00:11:48,275 --> 00:11:52,595 Speaker 1: now to today, a mug shot would be all we 162 00:11:52,635 --> 00:11:55,315 Speaker 1: would see of the defendant today at the first ever 163 00:11:55,475 --> 00:11:58,755 Speaker 1: arraignment of an ex president, but only because Ford pardoned Nixon. 164 00:11:59,715 --> 00:12:02,395 Speaker 1: Maybe not even a mug shot. Magga Haberman reported late 165 00:12:02,475 --> 00:12:04,595 Speaker 1: last night that quote a person familiar with the planning 166 00:12:04,875 --> 00:12:07,475 Speaker 1: for mister Trump's appearance in Miami, I wonder who that is. 167 00:12:07,515 --> 00:12:10,475 Speaker 1: Maggie said the expectation was that there would be no 168 00:12:10,635 --> 00:12:14,115 Speaker 1: handcuffs or a mug shot. But of course this ignores 169 00:12:14,155 --> 00:12:15,875 Speaker 1: the fact that there wasn't a mug shot after his 170 00:12:15,995 --> 00:12:19,035 Speaker 1: arrest in New York either, so his campaign just fabricated one. Anyway, 171 00:12:21,395 --> 00:12:25,715 Speaker 1: we know, Trump will enter the Wilkie D. Ferguson Courthouse 172 00:12:25,915 --> 00:12:30,995 Speaker 1: in Miami through an underground crypt garage where the marshals 173 00:12:31,115 --> 00:12:33,595 Speaker 1: and the Probation Office will then put him through his 174 00:12:33,635 --> 00:12:39,115 Speaker 1: pre trial services, booking, processing, fingerprinting, but only electronically, and 175 00:12:39,155 --> 00:12:44,075 Speaker 1: then maybe photografts. He asked him knowingly. There is no 176 00:12:44,195 --> 00:12:46,835 Speaker 1: expectation that he will be handcuffed, and as a result, 177 00:12:47,075 --> 00:12:49,115 Speaker 1: I think we should all get two dollars off our 178 00:12:49,155 --> 00:12:52,795 Speaker 1: twenty twenty three Federal income tax. The defendant will be 179 00:12:52,835 --> 00:12:56,315 Speaker 1: accompanied throughout by his secret service detail, presuming they are 180 00:12:56,355 --> 00:12:59,315 Speaker 1: not too busy scrolling on their phones. Then he will 181 00:12:59,355 --> 00:13:02,355 Speaker 1: be held until three PM when he goes to the 182 00:13:02,355 --> 00:13:04,995 Speaker 1: courtroom at his first appearance before a judge, at which 183 00:13:04,995 --> 00:13:06,675 Speaker 1: it looks like he'll meet at least one of his 184 00:13:06,755 --> 00:13:09,315 Speaker 1: lawyers for the first or second time. And I'm still 185 00:13:09,515 --> 00:13:12,235 Speaker 1: holding out hope that it's going to be Larry l Archie, 186 00:13:12,275 --> 00:13:16,155 Speaker 1: whose billboards read just because you did it doesn't mean 187 00:13:16,195 --> 00:13:22,355 Speaker 1: you're guilty. He was still interviewing new lawyers last night. 188 00:13:25,675 --> 00:13:30,115 Speaker 1: Better call. So no TV cameras, no live coverage, no 189 00:13:30,235 --> 00:13:33,115 Speaker 1: expectation the defendant will be seen publicly, unless he decides 190 00:13:33,115 --> 00:13:35,835 Speaker 1: to put on a little parade for his own purposes. 191 00:13:37,155 --> 00:13:41,275 Speaker 1: They will identify lawyers and introduce them. They will begin 192 00:13:41,355 --> 00:13:44,115 Speaker 1: the process of getting his cleared to be able to 193 00:13:44,115 --> 00:13:46,595 Speaker 1: handle the level of classification of the documents he stole, 194 00:13:46,635 --> 00:13:50,195 Speaker 1: and then unfortunately they will grant him bail and he 195 00:13:50,235 --> 00:13:53,155 Speaker 1: will be loosed once more upon the unready world, and 196 00:13:53,195 --> 00:13:56,155 Speaker 1: what rough beast its hour come round at last slouches 197 00:13:56,235 --> 00:14:06,075 Speaker 1: towards marri Lago to be born, but mugshot maybe seventy 198 00:14:06,195 --> 00:14:09,435 Speaker 1: days from now, so no, no earlier than Monday, August 199 00:14:09,515 --> 00:14:14,115 Speaker 1: twenty first they could start the trial, probably not unless 200 00:14:14,315 --> 00:14:19,075 Speaker 1: Trump tries to delay or something, or unless Carrie Lake's 201 00:14:19,075 --> 00:14:23,075 Speaker 1: prediction that three hundred million Americans, all of them armed, 202 00:14:23,475 --> 00:14:26,395 Speaker 1: will rise up in Miami today to intervene on the 203 00:14:26,435 --> 00:14:29,315 Speaker 1: defendant's behalf, in which case expect delays up to three 204 00:14:29,395 --> 00:14:31,355 Speaker 1: hundred and twenty five hours on ninety five and three 205 00:14:31,475 --> 00:14:34,795 Speaker 1: ninety five and basically everything between Flagler near the publics 206 00:14:34,835 --> 00:14:40,675 Speaker 1: and roughly Albuquerque, New Mexico. Carrie thinks three hundred million 207 00:14:40,715 --> 00:14:43,475 Speaker 1: Americans will rise up in Miami because the ex newscaster 208 00:14:43,635 --> 00:14:49,435 Speaker 1: is still reading off a teleprompter that only she can see. 209 00:14:50,875 --> 00:14:53,675 Speaker 1: To treat the mega hallucinations of the MAGA crowd a 210 00:14:53,715 --> 00:14:56,715 Speaker 1: little more seriously, there were few indications last night that 211 00:14:56,755 --> 00:14:59,315 Speaker 1: there would be as many as three hundred Trumpists in 212 00:14:59,355 --> 00:15:02,155 Speaker 1: the vicinity of the courthouse today, let alone three hundred million. 213 00:15:02,555 --> 00:15:05,035 Speaker 1: The city says it is ready for anything for five 214 00:15:05,115 --> 00:15:08,595 Speaker 1: thousand to fifty thousand. They would, of course, be at 215 00:15:08,635 --> 00:15:12,395 Speaker 1: a significant disadvantage compared to January sixth, since Trump would 216 00:15:12,395 --> 00:15:15,435 Speaker 1: not be able to demand that the magnetometers be turned off, 217 00:15:15,835 --> 00:15:18,595 Speaker 1: nor would he be present to give a speech in 218 00:15:18,595 --> 00:15:21,635 Speaker 1: which he adds just that last little touch of stochastic 219 00:15:21,795 --> 00:15:28,595 Speaker 1: terrorism to the mix. Also to be blunt. These would 220 00:15:28,595 --> 00:15:33,595 Speaker 1: be the Florida Trump crowd, And if any geographic group 221 00:15:33,635 --> 00:15:36,595 Speaker 1: of the white trash Party could be depended upon to 222 00:15:36,635 --> 00:15:40,235 Speaker 1: get the day wrong or to oversleep, it is the 223 00:15:40,275 --> 00:15:45,035 Speaker 1: Florida Trump crowd. I give you audio courtesy of Freedom 224 00:15:45,115 --> 00:15:50,555 Speaker 1: News TV and the Twitter must follow Iliyah Scootercaster Pat 225 00:15:51,755 --> 00:15:56,835 Speaker 1: outside Trump's Durrell golf course near Miami yesterday. Oh Pat, A. 226 00:15:56,795 --> 00:15:59,475 Speaker 2: Lot of my family blood spilled for this country. I'm 227 00:15:59,475 --> 00:16:02,075 Speaker 2: not gonna let it go to waste. I'm not if 228 00:16:02,115 --> 00:16:04,435 Speaker 2: he gets indoctrinated. January sixth is gonna look like a 229 00:16:04,435 --> 00:16:07,835 Speaker 2: play It's gonna look like a playground from the inside. 230 00:16:07,915 --> 00:16:10,875 Speaker 2: Voices that I hear from all the militias and everything else. 231 00:16:11,075 --> 00:16:14,035 Speaker 2: It's gonna be a playground. I watch Kamala Harrison, Orlando. 232 00:16:14,115 --> 00:16:19,035 Speaker 2: I watched Antifa throw bottles, spit on my child, throw 233 00:16:19,075 --> 00:16:21,475 Speaker 2: stuff at us. They told us to refrain ourselves. 234 00:16:21,795 --> 00:16:26,635 Speaker 1: Really okay, nope, nope, nope, No, you're not hearing things. 235 00:16:26,875 --> 00:16:33,435 Speaker 1: Pat warns of dire consequences if Trump is indoctrinated. And 236 00:16:34,355 --> 00:16:36,555 Speaker 1: you may have missed this part. Pat complained in there 237 00:16:36,555 --> 00:16:40,035 Speaker 1: that at some events somewhere his group, they were the 238 00:16:40,035 --> 00:16:45,115 Speaker 1: ones who were warned to be fraying ourselves. You over there, 239 00:16:45,635 --> 00:16:53,555 Speaker 1: be fraying yourself, or you're gonna be indoctrinated. See Pat 240 00:16:53,595 --> 00:17:03,155 Speaker 1: is what the political professionals call a nit wit. Also 241 00:17:03,195 --> 00:17:06,675 Speaker 1: of interest today, Fox has sued Tucker Carlson, and Tucker 242 00:17:06,715 --> 00:17:09,355 Speaker 1: Carlson has claimed his First Amendment rights are being infringed, 243 00:17:09,395 --> 00:17:13,195 Speaker 1: even though Fox is not the government, not yet, so 244 00:17:13,435 --> 00:17:16,875 Speaker 1: it can't infringe on his First Amendment rights. And I 245 00:17:16,875 --> 00:17:19,715 Speaker 1: don't know what Fox could possibly be suing Carlson about 246 00:17:19,875 --> 00:17:25,395 Speaker 1: damages for what? For those Twitter videos? Those Twitter videos 247 00:17:25,435 --> 00:17:28,555 Speaker 1: are not as good as my Twitter videos promoting this podcast, 248 00:17:28,635 --> 00:17:33,675 Speaker 1: and my Twitter videos promoting this podcast pretty much suck damages. 249 00:17:34,555 --> 00:17:40,675 Speaker 1: Who's Tucker Carlson damaging besides the country? That's next? This 250 00:17:40,795 --> 00:17:47,955 Speaker 1: discountdown A bathroom door locks. This is countdown with Keith Olberman. 251 00:17:52,195 --> 00:17:55,875 Speaker 1: Postscripts to the news, some headlines, some updates, some snarks, 252 00:17:55,875 --> 00:18:01,035 Speaker 1: some prediction s dateline the Unibomber Memorial TV cabin studio 253 00:18:01,275 --> 00:18:05,675 Speaker 1: at Tucker Carlson's house, Woodstock, Maine. The letter has been sent. 254 00:18:05,915 --> 00:18:08,555 Speaker 1: Fox has now dropped off its cease and desist love 255 00:18:08,675 --> 00:18:11,955 Speaker 1: No to Tucker Carlson and his lawyers after they tried 256 00:18:11,995 --> 00:18:14,955 Speaker 1: to eat their cake and keep it too, namely to 257 00:18:15,035 --> 00:18:17,715 Speaker 1: keep drawing the rest of his salary from Rupert Murdoch 258 00:18:17,755 --> 00:18:20,675 Speaker 1: through the end of next year, while also producing a 259 00:18:20,755 --> 00:18:24,795 Speaker 1: video commentary series on Twitter that is at least theoretically 260 00:18:24,835 --> 00:18:29,035 Speaker 1: in competition with the News Corp propaganda outlet. Carlson asserts 261 00:18:29,075 --> 00:18:32,195 Speaker 1: breach of contract and infringement of the First Amendment. And 262 00:18:32,235 --> 00:18:34,515 Speaker 1: maybe the first is true, but what does the First 263 00:18:34,555 --> 00:18:36,795 Speaker 1: Amendment have to do with the dispute between a private 264 00:18:36,875 --> 00:18:41,675 Speaker 1: corporation and a schmuck with a high pitched voice. Axios 265 00:18:41,715 --> 00:18:44,955 Speaker 1: broke this story evidently as a trade, which made them 266 00:18:44,995 --> 00:18:48,915 Speaker 1: print this behind the scenes Carlson's first to Twitter episodes 267 00:18:48,955 --> 00:18:52,555 Speaker 1: were straight to camera monologues. He plans to keep iterating 268 00:18:52,595 --> 00:18:55,675 Speaker 1: with longer, more varied episodes and the addition of guests. 269 00:18:55,795 --> 00:18:59,675 Speaker 1: Axios Is told we hear some big names have been 270 00:18:59,715 --> 00:19:03,515 Speaker 1: lined up. His lawyer says, quote, Tucker will not be 271 00:19:03,635 --> 00:19:05,795 Speaker 1: silenced by anyone. And I don't know if you saw 272 00:19:05,835 --> 00:19:08,515 Speaker 1: the Twitter videos, but based on them, the biggest threat 273 00:19:08,555 --> 00:19:13,075 Speaker 1: to silence Tucker Carlson is Tucker Carlson. I mean, honest 274 00:19:13,115 --> 00:19:15,715 Speaker 1: to God, if Murdoch does sue him, I don't know, 275 00:19:15,755 --> 00:19:19,955 Speaker 1: they're going to possibly prove that these gloomy, boring, dark 276 00:19:20,115 --> 00:19:24,475 Speaker 1: videos could possibly in any way, shape or form damage Fox. 277 00:19:39,595 --> 00:19:42,195 Speaker 1: Thank you, Nancy Faust. And there's no way Tucker has 278 00:19:42,195 --> 00:19:45,115 Speaker 1: been blinded by the light. In his studio Dateline, Washington 279 00:19:45,155 --> 00:19:48,395 Speaker 1: told you the Saudi's purchase of Golf's PGA Tour so 280 00:19:48,435 --> 00:19:51,355 Speaker 1: it could be folded into the live, Blood, Money and 281 00:19:51,475 --> 00:19:54,875 Speaker 1: Bone Saw Golf League was not a done deal, apart 282 00:19:54,915 --> 00:19:58,355 Speaker 1: from protests from players inside the PGA itself that may 283 00:19:58,395 --> 00:20:02,435 Speaker 1: yet bear fruit. The chairman of the Senate Investigative Subcommittee 284 00:20:02,475 --> 00:20:06,875 Speaker 1: on Homeland Security has sworn at the Saudis as they 285 00:20:07,035 --> 00:20:10,635 Speaker 1: teed off on the first hole. Senator Richard Blumenthal has 286 00:20:10,675 --> 00:20:13,795 Speaker 1: launched an investigation of the deal. He's demanding all records 287 00:20:13,835 --> 00:20:17,395 Speaker 1: from the PGA and live about the takeover that he's 288 00:20:17,435 --> 00:20:21,275 Speaker 1: broadly hinted at at minimum going after the PGA's belief 289 00:20:21,275 --> 00:20:24,475 Speaker 1: that it can still somehow maintain its tax exempt status 290 00:20:24,755 --> 00:20:28,315 Speaker 1: after it becomes owned by a foreign nation, and an 291 00:20:28,355 --> 00:20:31,995 Speaker 1: abhorrent foreign nation at that. He wants those documents. By 292 00:20:32,075 --> 00:20:36,035 Speaker 1: June twenty sixth, the Justice Department was already investigating the 293 00:20:36,035 --> 00:20:40,595 Speaker 1: PGA over possible antitrust violations. The next targets are likely 294 00:20:40,675 --> 00:20:44,755 Speaker 1: to be PGA Commissioner Jay Monaghan and board member Jimmy Dunn, 295 00:20:44,915 --> 00:20:47,395 Speaker 1: who brokeered the sellout to the Saudis even though he 296 00:20:47,475 --> 00:20:49,955 Speaker 1: lost friends on nine to eleven and has been involved 297 00:20:49,995 --> 00:20:53,075 Speaker 1: in countless nine to eleven charities. Quoting him, I am 298 00:20:53,155 --> 00:20:55,595 Speaker 1: quite certain and have had conversations with a lot of 299 00:20:55,635 --> 00:20:58,515 Speaker 1: knowledgeable people that the people that I'm dealing with from 300 00:20:58,555 --> 00:21:00,995 Speaker 1: Saudi Arabia had nothing to do with nine to eleven 301 00:21:01,795 --> 00:21:03,995 Speaker 1: done of course there with one of the no spit 302 00:21:04,235 --> 00:21:06,715 Speaker 1: statements of all time. Good work, Jimmy. None of the 303 00:21:06,715 --> 00:21:09,075 Speaker 1: Saudi's you're dealing with about golf is one of the 304 00:21:09,155 --> 00:21:13,635 Speaker 1: dead terrorists. Well done, detective done by the way. Golf's 305 00:21:13,755 --> 00:21:18,915 Speaker 1: US Open, which maybe it's last under control of you know, Americans. 306 00:21:19,635 --> 00:21:36,155 Speaker 1: Starts Thursday in Los Angeles. Stell ahead on countdown. Not 307 00:21:36,195 --> 00:21:38,635 Speaker 1: sure what brought him to mind today. Maybe those radio 308 00:21:38,675 --> 00:21:41,155 Speaker 1: clips I ran from the early eighties, the ones I 309 00:21:41,235 --> 00:21:44,595 Speaker 1: ran from two weeks ago. But he was the most 310 00:21:44,635 --> 00:21:47,155 Speaker 1: talented person I've ever worked with, and in forty years, 311 00:21:47,195 --> 00:21:51,035 Speaker 1: nobody has come close his story and his tragic ending 312 00:21:51,155 --> 00:21:54,275 Speaker 1: coming up in things I promised not to tell. First 313 00:21:54,315 --> 00:21:56,395 Speaker 1: the daily round Up, but the miscreants, morons and Dunning 314 00:21:56,435 --> 00:22:00,395 Speaker 1: Kruger effects specimens who constitute today's worse persons in the world, 315 00:22:01,275 --> 00:22:04,595 Speaker 1: The brons. Josh Blackman, a lawyer who writes for the 316 00:22:04,755 --> 00:22:09,395 Speaker 1: ironically named commentary spot Reason. We know what his career 317 00:22:09,435 --> 00:22:12,115 Speaker 1: goal is now. After a piece yesterday complaining about the 318 00:22:12,115 --> 00:22:15,515 Speaker 1: recent non fascist vote by Chief Justice John Roberts, the 319 00:22:15,555 --> 00:22:21,075 Speaker 1: headline Chief Justice Roberts is not a weather vain, He's 320 00:22:21,355 --> 00:22:26,675 Speaker 1: just so vain. With the subheadline he probably thinks the 321 00:22:26,755 --> 00:22:34,315 Speaker 1: court is about him. Ooh, lookout, pop culture, politics, music, lyrics, 322 00:22:34,355 --> 00:22:37,755 Speaker 1: Punster Maureen Dowd of The New York Times. This guy 323 00:22:37,875 --> 00:22:40,795 Speaker 1: blackman is out for your job. But is he more 324 00:22:40,955 --> 00:22:46,435 Speaker 1: dude than Dowd? Runner up Harme, Dylan, Tucker, Carlson, Telsey Gabbard, 325 00:22:46,555 --> 00:22:50,115 Speaker 1: James o'keef lawyer failed candidate to take the chairmanship of 326 00:22:50,155 --> 00:22:53,435 Speaker 1: the RNC away from Ronald McDaniel. The newspaper of The 327 00:22:53,475 --> 00:22:57,235 Speaker 1: Guardian now reports a bigger oops. It's about quoting them. 328 00:22:57,835 --> 00:23:02,035 Speaker 1: The nonprofit she helms, the Center for American Liberty Penthesies 329 00:23:02,155 --> 00:23:06,075 Speaker 1: col the paper continues, aimed at right wing bugbears like 330 00:23:06,115 --> 00:23:11,035 Speaker 1: COVID restrictions, leftist street protesters, and gender affirming healthcare. The 331 00:23:11,115 --> 00:23:13,635 Speaker 1: Guardian has found that at least one million, three hundred 332 00:23:13,635 --> 00:23:17,195 Speaker 1: and twenty thousand dollars has been transferred from the cow 333 00:23:17,715 --> 00:23:20,515 Speaker 1: to her law firm, Dylan Law Group, in a move 334 00:23:20,635 --> 00:23:25,835 Speaker 1: one charity expert described as quote problematic. Additionally, state and 335 00:23:25,875 --> 00:23:28,475 Speaker 1: federal filing show Dylan takes a one hundred and twenty 336 00:23:28,475 --> 00:23:32,115 Speaker 1: thousand dollars salary from cal for a two hour workweek. 337 00:23:32,635 --> 00:23:36,195 Speaker 1: Dylan's position, the paper continues, as CEO and a nonprofit 338 00:23:36,235 --> 00:23:40,035 Speaker 1: whose biggest contractor is Dylan Law Group, is a quote 339 00:23:40,115 --> 00:23:43,595 Speaker 1: conflict of interest un quote, according to Joan Harrington, a 340 00:23:43,595 --> 00:23:46,595 Speaker 1: fellow at the Marcula Center for Applied Ethics at the 341 00:23:46,635 --> 00:23:50,315 Speaker 1: Santa Clara University at an expert on nonprofit law and 342 00:23:50,395 --> 00:23:55,795 Speaker 1: ethics end quote. But our winner, Fred Ryan, the publisher 343 00:23:55,835 --> 00:23:59,035 Speaker 1: and chief executive of The Washington Post, who will leave 344 00:23:59,115 --> 00:24:02,275 Speaker 1: that position after dedicating nine years of his life to 345 00:24:02,475 --> 00:24:05,995 Speaker 1: shrinking the Post from a national tight to the best 346 00:24:06,075 --> 00:24:13,035 Speaker 1: newspaper located between Baltimore and Richmond. Probably what mister Ryan 347 00:24:13,115 --> 00:24:15,475 Speaker 1: did there is probably best explained by the job he 348 00:24:15,555 --> 00:24:17,915 Speaker 1: is now leaving the Post go to. He will become 349 00:24:18,315 --> 00:24:23,235 Speaker 1: executive director of the Center for Public Civility at the 350 00:24:23,395 --> 00:24:31,035 Speaker 1: Ronald Reagan Foundation. No, seriously, holy cow, the Center for 351 00:24:31,155 --> 00:24:36,075 Speaker 1: Public Civility at the Ronald Reagan Foundation. Why Fred, Because 352 00:24:36,115 --> 00:24:39,315 Speaker 1: the President Donald J. Trump Memorial Center for the Treatment 353 00:24:39,315 --> 00:24:44,035 Speaker 1: of Kleptomania hasn't opened yet. Fred Ryan, executive Director of 354 00:24:44,035 --> 00:24:46,835 Speaker 1: the Center for Public Civility at the Ronald Reagan Foundation, 355 00:24:46,955 --> 00:24:50,275 Speaker 1: which will consist of mister Ryan's office and nothing else. 356 00:24:50,675 --> 00:25:08,955 Speaker 1: Today's worst person in the civility world. Howser will have 357 00:25:08,995 --> 00:25:11,315 Speaker 1: more to say, and we'll answer the question, how hot 358 00:25:11,395 --> 00:25:14,195 Speaker 1: was it at Yankee Stadium. Yesterday on the Sports reported 359 00:25:14,155 --> 00:25:17,155 Speaker 1: about a thirty five and that man's name is Keith Olberman. 360 00:25:17,315 --> 00:25:20,195 Speaker 1: Now how hot was it at Yankee Stadium. Bob Harris 361 00:25:20,275 --> 00:25:23,035 Speaker 1: got a figure about. I once worked with a newscaster, 362 00:25:23,275 --> 00:25:26,755 Speaker 1: the most talented person I have ever worked with, and 363 00:25:26,835 --> 00:25:29,315 Speaker 1: he not only made an unbelievable blooper and one of 364 00:25:29,315 --> 00:25:31,715 Speaker 1: the big radio stations in New York, but after he 365 00:25:31,795 --> 00:25:33,555 Speaker 1: did that, they warned him that if he ever did 366 00:25:33,555 --> 00:25:35,755 Speaker 1: something like that again, they would fire him. And he 367 00:25:35,835 --> 00:25:39,515 Speaker 1: did it again and they fired him. His name was 368 00:25:39,555 --> 00:25:42,915 Speaker 1: will Spence, and by the time he was eighteen years old, 369 00:25:42,915 --> 00:25:45,915 Speaker 1: he was the news director of a radio station in Connecticut, 370 00:25:46,235 --> 00:25:48,355 Speaker 1: and he was a substitute anchor at the age of 371 00:25:48,395 --> 00:25:51,355 Speaker 1: eighteen on the top all news radio station in the 372 00:25:51,355 --> 00:25:55,515 Speaker 1: COUNTRYCBS in New York eighteen. Not long after that, he 373 00:25:55,555 --> 00:25:57,915 Speaker 1: went to NBC and was the original newsman on Don 374 00:25:57,955 --> 00:26:01,035 Speaker 1: Imus's radio show. He jumped right from that to being 375 00:26:01,075 --> 00:26:04,075 Speaker 1: a TV reporter on the NBC station in New York 376 00:26:04,115 --> 00:26:06,635 Speaker 1: age five four twenty five. And the sky was the 377 00:26:06,675 --> 00:26:10,835 Speaker 1: limit and he was simply a genius and fitting the 378 00:26:10,875 --> 00:26:13,995 Speaker 1: best definition of that word, someone who could do something 379 00:26:14,035 --> 00:26:18,315 Speaker 1: with ease that nobody else would even attempt. Will Spence 380 00:26:18,475 --> 00:26:20,995 Speaker 1: was reporting for the NBC station Channel four in New 381 00:26:21,075 --> 00:26:24,395 Speaker 1: York on New York's fiscal crisis of the late seventies, 382 00:26:24,395 --> 00:26:27,715 Speaker 1: and he had scooped the competition and gotten details of 383 00:26:27,755 --> 00:26:32,795 Speaker 1: a complicated rescue plan with debt transference and algorithms and 384 00:26:32,835 --> 00:26:37,995 Speaker 1: adjusted interest rates, and not one moment of his important 385 00:26:38,035 --> 00:26:40,635 Speaker 1: scoop was on camera. The people who gave him that 386 00:26:40,755 --> 00:26:44,475 Speaker 1: story would not permit themselves to be recorded or even quoted. 387 00:26:45,355 --> 00:26:48,475 Speaker 1: So Will simply had his cameraman set up at the 388 00:26:48,475 --> 00:26:50,835 Speaker 1: foot of the steps of New York City Hall and 389 00:26:50,955 --> 00:26:53,795 Speaker 1: said to him, follow me, stop at Park Row and 390 00:26:53,875 --> 00:26:57,555 Speaker 1: then three to two one, and then Will began to walk. 391 00:26:57,835 --> 00:27:00,155 Speaker 1: The cameraman was next to him, and he began to walk, 392 00:27:00,195 --> 00:27:02,955 Speaker 1: and for two and a half minutes, with impeccable sentence, 393 00:27:02,955 --> 00:27:07,115 Speaker 1: structure and diction and complete accuracy, Will Spence took this 394 00:27:07,235 --> 00:27:12,515 Speaker 1: extraordinarily complicated rescue plan for New York's hemorrhaging finances with 395 00:27:12,755 --> 00:27:18,875 Speaker 1: algorithms and explained it calmly, succinctly, expertly, simply a little 396 00:27:18,915 --> 00:27:21,715 Speaker 1: touch of snark in his voice, and he kept walking 397 00:27:21,915 --> 00:27:24,995 Speaker 1: and kept walking, and kept walking and kept looking to 398 00:27:25,035 --> 00:27:27,715 Speaker 1: the cameraman by his side, and then away into the ground, 399 00:27:27,755 --> 00:27:29,875 Speaker 1: and then back to the cameraman, and then he stopped 400 00:27:29,875 --> 00:27:32,835 Speaker 1: on the sidewalk of Park Row, where he was perfectly 401 00:27:32,875 --> 00:27:36,235 Speaker 1: framed by the Brooklyn Bridge Will Spence News Center for 402 00:27:36,955 --> 00:27:41,515 Speaker 1: at City Hall. I couldn't do that in a million years, 403 00:27:42,075 --> 00:27:46,235 Speaker 1: and I'm okay with doing stuff like that, to be fair. 404 00:27:46,315 --> 00:27:51,315 Speaker 1: That was take two. On take one, Will had misstimed 405 00:27:51,315 --> 00:27:53,395 Speaker 1: what he wanted to say and where he wanted to walk, 406 00:27:53,395 --> 00:27:55,755 Speaker 1: and instead of he and the cameraman stopping on the 407 00:27:55,835 --> 00:28:00,195 Speaker 1: sidewalk of the street Park Row, the cameraman stopped, but 408 00:28:00,275 --> 00:28:03,155 Speaker 1: Will had not yet finished, so Will kept walking into 409 00:28:03,195 --> 00:28:05,795 Speaker 1: the street itself. In the video then showed him diving 410 00:28:05,875 --> 00:28:08,715 Speaker 1: out of the way as a garbage truck barreled toward 411 00:28:08,835 --> 00:28:11,955 Speaker 1: him on Park Row at about forty five miles an hour. 412 00:28:13,315 --> 00:28:16,115 Speaker 1: And that was the other side of will Spence. For 413 00:28:16,235 --> 00:28:19,955 Speaker 1: every act of genius, there was a garbage truck heading 414 00:28:19,995 --> 00:28:23,235 Speaker 1: towards him with his name on it. I don't know 415 00:28:23,275 --> 00:28:24,995 Speaker 1: what happened at Channel four, but I do know he 416 00:28:25,035 --> 00:28:27,355 Speaker 1: got fired. I know that when I met him in 417 00:28:27,395 --> 00:28:29,675 Speaker 1: nineteen eighty when I was twenty one and he was thirty. 418 00:28:29,675 --> 00:28:32,475 Speaker 1: I was convinced he was closer to forty. And on 419 00:28:32,515 --> 00:28:34,875 Speaker 1: the morning shift of the New York radio station where 420 00:28:34,875 --> 00:28:37,675 Speaker 1: we both worked, Will had a little trouble with his 421 00:28:37,715 --> 00:28:40,835 Speaker 1: own schedule. He was supposed to be there at three 422 00:28:40,835 --> 00:28:43,715 Speaker 1: point fifteen am and on the air for his first 423 00:28:43,715 --> 00:28:47,675 Speaker 1: newscast at five am. The station was WNAW, and it's 424 00:28:47,755 --> 00:28:54,675 Speaker 1: decades old news sound was the bongabongas that sound, bangabanga, bogabonga, 425 00:28:54,795 --> 00:28:58,915 Speaker 1: repeating endlessly. I saw Will Spence walk in one morning, 426 00:28:59,155 --> 00:29:03,115 Speaker 1: pale as a sheet in his raincoat, gesticulating wildly with 427 00:29:03,195 --> 00:29:06,075 Speaker 1: his left hand for a news dawns assistant to hand 428 00:29:06,155 --> 00:29:11,075 Speaker 1: him a script, any script, at exactly five am, No, 429 00:29:11,235 --> 00:29:14,035 Speaker 1: actually a few seconds after five am, so late that 430 00:29:14,075 --> 00:29:17,035 Speaker 1: the dish jockey was already playing the WAW news sound. 431 00:29:17,355 --> 00:29:22,115 Speaker 1: And we were at about the eighth or ninth Bonga bonga. 432 00:29:22,395 --> 00:29:25,875 Speaker 1: And I saw him a small stack of copy jammed 433 00:29:25,915 --> 00:29:29,155 Speaker 1: into his left hand by the desk assistant, a stack 434 00:29:29,195 --> 00:29:31,395 Speaker 1: of copy he had not even looked at, with his 435 00:29:31,515 --> 00:29:36,115 Speaker 1: raincoat still on, Sit down, throw his microphone toggle open 436 00:29:36,155 --> 00:29:39,835 Speaker 1: and say, falllessly, retly run at w news. It's eighty 437 00:29:39,875 --> 00:29:42,435 Speaker 1: three degrees in reigning at five o'clock. I'm Will Spence, 438 00:29:42,875 --> 00:29:45,315 Speaker 1: mayor Cutch. We'll meet this morning with representatives of the 439 00:29:45,395 --> 00:29:48,195 Speaker 1: United Editions to discuss Like he had been there for 440 00:29:48,315 --> 00:29:51,755 Speaker 1: hours and written the copy himself and practiced it aloud 441 00:29:51,835 --> 00:29:56,275 Speaker 1: for three or four times from the standpoint of the 442 00:29:56,355 --> 00:29:59,115 Speaker 1: viewer or the listener, Will could sound perfect when he 443 00:29:59,115 --> 00:30:01,715 Speaker 1: had crafted a thing of genius, like the walking stand 444 00:30:01,755 --> 00:30:04,195 Speaker 1: up on the fiscal crisis. But he could also sound 445 00:30:04,195 --> 00:30:07,995 Speaker 1: perfect when he had just staggered into the booth having 446 00:30:08,035 --> 00:30:11,635 Speaker 1: successfully found the location of the radio station on the 447 00:30:11,675 --> 00:30:16,755 Speaker 1: eighth or ninth Bonga, And unfortunately that skill was his undoing. 448 00:30:17,715 --> 00:30:21,075 Speaker 1: On the night of Wednesday, July sixteenth, nineteen eighty, Republican 449 00:30:21,075 --> 00:30:24,675 Speaker 1: presidential nominee Ronald Reagan was in deep discussions with former 450 00:30:24,715 --> 00:30:28,395 Speaker 1: president former Vice President Gerald Ford about Ford running with 451 00:30:28,595 --> 00:30:33,275 Speaker 1: him as Reagan's vice president. It was unprecedented in American history. 452 00:30:33,395 --> 00:30:35,955 Speaker 1: It led all the newscasts that night. It was the 453 00:30:36,035 --> 00:30:39,555 Speaker 1: featured story on all the wire services. Books have been 454 00:30:39,555 --> 00:30:43,995 Speaker 1: written about this evening and those discussions, and they all 455 00:30:44,035 --> 00:30:47,475 Speaker 1: fell apart about eleven PM because Ford made it clear 456 00:30:47,515 --> 00:30:50,475 Speaker 1: to Reagan that whoever was president, whoever was vice president, 457 00:30:50,795 --> 00:30:54,395 Speaker 1: Ford expected them to be more or less co presidents. 458 00:30:55,075 --> 00:30:58,755 Speaker 1: Before the calendar had turned to Thursday July seventeenth, nineteen eighty, 459 00:30:58,795 --> 00:31:01,555 Speaker 1: the deal was dead. Reagan had selected George H. W. 460 00:31:01,675 --> 00:31:05,195 Speaker 1: Bush as his running mate, and our time line was 461 00:31:05,275 --> 00:31:10,955 Speaker 1: irrevocably altered. How dare you, sir? At about five hours later, 462 00:31:11,035 --> 00:31:14,355 Speaker 1: and about twelve bongas into the five o'clock newscast on 463 00:31:14,395 --> 00:31:18,075 Speaker 1: Thursday July seventeenth, in walked Will Spence, this time simply 464 00:31:18,155 --> 00:31:21,195 Speaker 1: grabbing the first stack of copy he saw, falling into 465 00:31:21,235 --> 00:31:25,795 Speaker 1: the announced booth, opening up his mic, and starting to read. Unfortunately, 466 00:31:25,835 --> 00:31:29,475 Speaker 1: what he had grabbed was the previous night's nine pm 467 00:31:29,635 --> 00:31:33,115 Speaker 1: newscast script news. It's eighty three degrees in reigning at 468 00:31:33,115 --> 00:31:36,475 Speaker 1: five o'clock. I'm Will Spence. It seems certain that American 469 00:31:36,515 --> 00:31:39,315 Speaker 1: history being made. A man will run for president. Donne's 470 00:31:39,355 --> 00:31:42,475 Speaker 1: running mate will be a former president the Republican nineteen 471 00:31:42,515 --> 00:31:48,035 Speaker 1: eighty ticket. Regan and Ford, those who were there in 472 00:31:48,075 --> 00:31:52,155 Speaker 1: the newsroom told me they were startled by how many 473 00:31:52,235 --> 00:31:55,675 Speaker 1: people were actually listening to the five am news and 474 00:31:55,795 --> 00:31:58,955 Speaker 1: were willing to call in and complain and call Will 475 00:31:58,995 --> 00:32:03,115 Speaker 1: Spence an idiot. Upper management wanted to call him something 476 00:32:03,115 --> 00:32:07,755 Speaker 1: else fired, but he had a guardian angel at WNAW 477 00:32:07,875 --> 00:32:10,115 Speaker 1: in the news director Sam Hall, who had also been 478 00:32:10,115 --> 00:32:12,635 Speaker 1: his boss in the IMUS days, and Sam gave him 479 00:32:12,635 --> 00:32:17,435 Speaker 1: another chance, but said do it again and you're gone. 480 00:32:17,555 --> 00:32:20,515 Speaker 1: I really don't know what was wrong with Will. He 481 00:32:20,595 --> 00:32:24,315 Speaker 1: told me he smoked a lot of weed. He said 482 00:32:24,315 --> 00:32:28,115 Speaker 1: he was hypoglycemic. Somebody at WNBC said he used to 483 00:32:28,115 --> 00:32:30,395 Speaker 1: sit at his desk, pressing his hands to his skull 484 00:32:30,435 --> 00:32:35,675 Speaker 1: and mumbling tumors. I can feel them growing tumors. He 485 00:32:35,795 --> 00:32:40,595 Speaker 1: was sometimes charming. He gave extraordinarily good career advice, sometimes constructively, 486 00:32:40,595 --> 00:32:43,715 Speaker 1: and sometimes advice that was designed to leave you bleeding. 487 00:32:44,955 --> 00:32:49,155 Speaker 1: During a commercial break preceding one of my short sportscasts, 488 00:32:49,235 --> 00:32:51,875 Speaker 1: I sat down in the booth with him, and as 489 00:32:51,875 --> 00:32:55,315 Speaker 1: an aggressively cheerful ad for a bank played in the background, 490 00:32:55,595 --> 00:33:00,995 Speaker 1: Will let loose on me. So I heard him and 491 00:33:01,075 --> 00:33:05,235 Speaker 1: this commercial for the bank mixed together juxtaposed like this. 492 00:33:05,955 --> 00:33:08,435 Speaker 1: You have potential, overman, but you have to change your 493 00:33:08,555 --> 00:33:11,475 Speaker 1: entire delivery. We're the friendly bank. You can go up 494 00:33:11,515 --> 00:33:13,955 Speaker 1: to Yankee Stadium, interview every player and every fan, and 495 00:33:13,955 --> 00:33:15,955 Speaker 1: play all the little cuts you want on the radio. 496 00:33:15,995 --> 00:33:18,595 Speaker 1: But you got nowhere. If you can't read the script 497 00:33:18,715 --> 00:33:22,555 Speaker 1: like a man. We're the bank that cares about you. 498 00:33:22,555 --> 00:33:25,755 Speaker 1: Your nasal, you sound constipated. You get nowhere in this business. 499 00:33:25,795 --> 00:33:27,795 Speaker 1: On the other hand, I could read the phone book 500 00:33:27,835 --> 00:33:30,115 Speaker 1: on the air and make it sound like the Bible. 501 00:33:30,475 --> 00:33:34,035 Speaker 1: Come in and see our friendly tellers today. Shape up 502 00:33:34,195 --> 00:33:38,155 Speaker 1: or you're fired. And by the way, fix your damned eyebrows. 503 00:33:38,755 --> 00:33:43,195 Speaker 1: Manhattan Bank member FDI see now with sports. Good morning, 504 00:33:43,275 --> 00:33:50,315 Speaker 1: Keith Oberman. I said nothing For a second, maybe more. 505 00:33:50,395 --> 00:33:54,395 Speaker 1: I contemplated using a falsetto, and I finally stammered through 506 00:33:54,395 --> 00:33:57,915 Speaker 1: my thirty seconds, got up to leave, and as Spence 507 00:33:57,995 --> 00:34:02,435 Speaker 1: through to the weather man. Spence said, and that sucked too. 508 00:34:04,875 --> 00:34:07,675 Speaker 1: I was the only person left at WNW who liked him, 509 00:34:07,715 --> 00:34:10,755 Speaker 1: and I was beginning to hate him. He would take 510 00:34:10,755 --> 00:34:13,435 Speaker 1: me aside sometimes and tell me that his first wife 511 00:34:13,755 --> 00:34:16,995 Speaker 1: and her divorce lawyer were up in the blimp following 512 00:34:17,075 --> 00:34:20,635 Speaker 1: him around the city. Sometimes he claimed they were working 513 00:34:20,675 --> 00:34:24,195 Speaker 1: in cahoots with the news director Sam Hall to destroy him, 514 00:34:24,595 --> 00:34:27,515 Speaker 1: when in fact Hall was the only thing standing between 515 00:34:27,595 --> 00:34:31,875 Speaker 1: him and unemployment. Somebody once made a mild joke about 516 00:34:31,915 --> 00:34:35,235 Speaker 1: him and his age in the newsroom, and he threw 517 00:34:35,275 --> 00:34:38,755 Speaker 1: a stapler at them. He complained one of the women 518 00:34:38,835 --> 00:34:41,875 Speaker 1: there was stalking him. In fact, he was stalking her, 519 00:34:43,195 --> 00:34:46,795 Speaker 1: and inevitably, on October third, nineteen eighty, he either made 520 00:34:46,835 --> 00:34:50,155 Speaker 1: an impossibly unlucky grab for an old script during the 521 00:34:50,195 --> 00:34:53,555 Speaker 1: seventeenth Bonga or something, or more likely, somebody in the 522 00:34:53,555 --> 00:34:56,635 Speaker 1: newsroom set him up. W news, It's fifty five degrees 523 00:34:56,635 --> 00:34:59,315 Speaker 1: in raining at five o'clock. I'm Will Spence. The whoop. 524 00:34:59,795 --> 00:35:02,155 Speaker 1: John Paul the Second made history arriving in our city 525 00:35:02,195 --> 00:35:04,515 Speaker 1: yesterday and today it took her tape parade, and then 526 00:35:04,675 --> 00:35:07,955 Speaker 1: we will address the faithful at Madison Square Garden. Coverage 527 00:35:07,955 --> 00:35:10,835 Speaker 1: of the pope all day and to know your news 528 00:35:11,795 --> 00:35:17,195 Speaker 1: that had happened on October third, nineteen seventy nine. This 529 00:35:17,435 --> 00:35:22,435 Speaker 1: was now October third, nineteen eighty. Will Spence was reading 530 00:35:22,755 --> 00:35:29,595 Speaker 1: literally year old news. As I recall, they fired him 531 00:35:29,635 --> 00:35:33,755 Speaker 1: before his shift ended, maybe before the next newscast year 532 00:35:33,995 --> 00:35:39,075 Speaker 1: old news. Months later, I was working at the RKO 533 00:35:39,235 --> 00:35:41,555 Speaker 1: Radio network for my boss, Charlie Steiner, one of the 534 00:35:41,595 --> 00:35:45,355 Speaker 1: voices of the Dodgers Now. When RKO expanded and started 535 00:35:45,355 --> 00:35:47,435 Speaker 1: a second network, and they brought in to run it, 536 00:35:47,835 --> 00:35:51,275 Speaker 1: Sam Hall. Sam Hall hired a bunch of guys with 537 00:35:51,355 --> 00:35:54,275 Speaker 1: great pipes, and he hired Will Spence. Ohr man, I 538 00:35:54,275 --> 00:35:57,915 Speaker 1: say it took my advice. Look at this. Something whizzed 539 00:35:57,915 --> 00:36:00,155 Speaker 1: past me and stuck in a box of wire copy. 540 00:36:00,395 --> 00:36:05,715 Speaker 1: It's a Brazilian throwing dagger. I have a collection at RKO. 541 00:36:06,315 --> 00:36:09,275 Speaker 1: On the night of the Grammys, Will interweaved a clip 542 00:36:09,315 --> 00:36:12,435 Speaker 1: of every winning song into his script live on the air, 543 00:36:12,555 --> 00:36:15,715 Speaker 1: throwing cartridges left and right. As he did it. The 544 00:36:15,715 --> 00:36:18,715 Speaker 1: next hour he updated it with the latest winner. The 545 00:36:18,795 --> 00:36:21,355 Speaker 1: next hour he updated it with the latest winter. After 546 00:36:21,395 --> 00:36:26,235 Speaker 1: that it was utter unqualified genius. And he also told 547 00:36:26,275 --> 00:36:28,355 Speaker 1: me at RKO there was a woman stalking him who 548 00:36:28,355 --> 00:36:30,835 Speaker 1: in fact he was stalking, and he addressed everybody by 549 00:36:30,875 --> 00:36:36,035 Speaker 1: their job title tape editor. Come here. And once they 550 00:36:36,115 --> 00:36:39,755 Speaker 1: postponed a nine am staff meeting until three pm and 551 00:36:39,835 --> 00:36:42,275 Speaker 1: didn't tell him before he drove in from his house 552 00:36:42,315 --> 00:36:45,235 Speaker 1: in Connecticut. So he simply went to his Manhattan studio 553 00:36:45,275 --> 00:36:48,875 Speaker 1: apartment and, as he told me, smoked pot for six hours. 554 00:36:49,475 --> 00:36:52,555 Speaker 1: And then he came back and insulted literally every member 555 00:36:52,595 --> 00:36:55,155 Speaker 1: of the forty person staff went from one to the 556 00:36:55,195 --> 00:36:57,915 Speaker 1: other to the other, saying as nasty a thing as 557 00:36:57,955 --> 00:37:01,595 Speaker 1: he could think of about them. When our nicest, sweetest 558 00:37:01,715 --> 00:37:06,235 Speaker 1: news editor stood up on her desk and screamed, Spence, 559 00:37:06,555 --> 00:37:08,755 Speaker 1: get the f out of here before I kill you, 560 00:37:08,995 --> 00:37:14,235 Speaker 1: before we all kill you. He was genuinely shocked ashen. 561 00:37:14,675 --> 00:37:17,155 Speaker 1: He came over to me. A lot of the bravada 562 00:37:17,275 --> 00:37:22,315 Speaker 1: was gone, Olderman, for God's sakes, help me, help me. 563 00:37:23,075 --> 00:37:27,395 Speaker 1: Keith Well, I heard his life story. It took two hours. 564 00:37:27,435 --> 00:37:30,315 Speaker 1: We went into Steiner's office. We stole two of Charlie's 565 00:37:30,315 --> 00:37:34,675 Speaker 1: cigars and smoked them. It was the living embodiment of 566 00:37:34,675 --> 00:37:37,075 Speaker 1: the phrase just because you're paranoid, it does not mean 567 00:37:37,075 --> 00:37:39,755 Speaker 1: they are not out to get you. I was trying 568 00:37:39,795 --> 00:37:42,715 Speaker 1: to think how to help him when days later news 569 00:37:42,755 --> 00:37:46,915 Speaker 1: came that he had been hired as a TV reporter 570 00:37:47,035 --> 00:37:50,995 Speaker 1: by another New York TV station, WABC. I witnessed news 571 00:37:51,475 --> 00:37:53,115 Speaker 1: and then over there. On his first day, he was 572 00:37:53,115 --> 00:37:55,595 Speaker 1: bitten by a dog and he wanted to go to 573 00:37:55,675 --> 00:37:57,475 Speaker 1: the hospital to get checked out. They made him go 574 00:37:57,515 --> 00:38:04,195 Speaker 1: out on another story instead. Dogs garbage trucks. They all 575 00:38:04,235 --> 00:38:07,955 Speaker 1: had will name on them. A decade later, Will wound 576 00:38:08,035 --> 00:38:10,155 Speaker 1: up in LA where I had made my mark by 577 00:38:10,195 --> 00:38:13,315 Speaker 1: then as a local TV sportscaster. He had been hired 578 00:38:13,315 --> 00:38:16,595 Speaker 1: by a rival station and still did those incredible intricate 579 00:38:16,635 --> 00:38:20,755 Speaker 1: walking stand ups now live every night, usually from a 580 00:38:20,795 --> 00:38:24,515 Speaker 1: crime scene, on the eleven o'clock news. One night, his 581 00:38:24,555 --> 00:38:28,435 Speaker 1: own crew managed to not just sabotage him, but knock 582 00:38:28,515 --> 00:38:31,915 Speaker 1: him down with a slow moving car, live on the 583 00:38:31,955 --> 00:38:35,955 Speaker 1: air while he was declaiming into the camera. His last 584 00:38:36,035 --> 00:38:38,435 Speaker 1: job at yet another LA station, he got because the 585 00:38:38,475 --> 00:38:41,915 Speaker 1: aging woman anchor there fifteen years his senior, had taken 586 00:38:41,955 --> 00:38:45,995 Speaker 1: a fancy to him. She got fired. He got fired, 587 00:38:46,035 --> 00:38:49,275 Speaker 1: And one day the phone rang at MSNBC maybe two 588 00:38:49,275 --> 00:38:54,755 Speaker 1: thousand and six. It was Will Spence. The Pope had 589 00:38:54,795 --> 00:38:59,035 Speaker 1: sent a hit squad to kill him. He said the 590 00:38:59,075 --> 00:39:02,835 Speaker 1: whole Catholic Church was involved. Did I have the number 591 00:39:02,835 --> 00:39:06,035 Speaker 1: of the woman who used to stalk him? It was 592 00:39:06,155 --> 00:39:10,955 Speaker 1: far more awful than it sounds. I think somebody sent 593 00:39:10,995 --> 00:39:13,755 Speaker 1: me an email early in April two thousand and eight. 594 00:39:13,755 --> 00:39:16,635 Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure that's how I found out Will Spence 595 00:39:16,635 --> 00:39:19,075 Speaker 1: had driven his car at high speed into a bridge 596 00:39:19,115 --> 00:39:23,435 Speaker 1: abutment in Ventura County, outside La. There was a story 597 00:39:23,475 --> 00:39:26,115 Speaker 1: that he had had heart problems and had just seen 598 00:39:26,155 --> 00:39:28,635 Speaker 1: his doctor and gotten bad news. But we'll never know 599 00:39:28,795 --> 00:39:32,035 Speaker 1: for sure. I went to put together a little tribute 600 00:39:32,075 --> 00:39:36,555 Speaker 1: to him that night on Countdown, and online I could 601 00:39:36,555 --> 00:39:38,955 Speaker 1: not find a single photo of him, nor any form 602 00:39:38,995 --> 00:39:44,355 Speaker 1: of biography. Even now, there is one photo accompanying a 603 00:39:44,555 --> 00:39:48,395 Speaker 1: sad tribute to him, published a couple weeks later in 604 00:39:48,475 --> 00:39:51,275 Speaker 1: one of the newspapers in Ventura County. It was a 605 00:39:51,315 --> 00:39:55,995 Speaker 1: tribute not unlike this one. What a wasted life, how 606 00:39:56,075 --> 00:39:58,955 Speaker 1: much you wanted to hate him and couldn't. And on 607 00:39:58,995 --> 00:40:02,875 Speaker 1: YouTube there is a tape of one Will Spence TV 608 00:40:03,035 --> 00:40:08,275 Speaker 1: report from November eighteenth, nineteen eighty one Channel seven in 609 00:40:08,315 --> 00:40:10,915 Speaker 1: New York. This talent who could decipher the plan to 610 00:40:10,995 --> 00:40:14,595 Speaker 1: save New York City from bankruptcy and recite it as 611 00:40:14,635 --> 00:40:19,235 Speaker 1: he walked, exists forever for two minutes and forty six 612 00:40:19,275 --> 00:40:24,075 Speaker 1: seconds of his report on the marriage of Luke and 613 00:40:24,155 --> 00:40:29,995 Speaker 1: Laura from ABC's General Hospital. And by the way, even 614 00:40:30,115 --> 00:40:45,995 Speaker 1: it is brilliant. I've done all the damage I can 615 00:40:46,035 --> 00:40:47,995 Speaker 1: do here. Countdown has come to you from the Vin 616 00:40:48,075 --> 00:40:51,515 Speaker 1: Scully Studio at the world headquarters of the Alderman Broadcasting 617 00:40:51,555 --> 00:40:54,995 Speaker 1: Empire here in New York. Here are the credits. Most 618 00:40:54,995 --> 00:40:57,755 Speaker 1: of the music arranged, produced and performed by Brian Ray 619 00:40:57,795 --> 00:41:00,675 Speaker 1: and John Phillips Shanel, who are the countdown musical directors. 620 00:41:01,035 --> 00:41:04,955 Speaker 1: All orchestration and keyboards by John Phillip Shanel, Guitar, bass 621 00:41:05,035 --> 00:41:08,515 Speaker 1: and drums by Brian Ray, produced by Tko Brothers. Another 622 00:41:08,595 --> 00:41:11,275 Speaker 1: Beethoven selections have been arranged and performed by the group 623 00:41:11,315 --> 00:41:14,675 Speaker 1: No Horns Allowed. The sports music is the Olberman theme 624 00:41:14,675 --> 00:41:17,755 Speaker 1: from ESPN two. It was written by Mitch Warren Davis 625 00:41:17,755 --> 00:41:21,235 Speaker 1: and it appears courtesy of ESPN Inc. Musical comments by 626 00:41:21,315 --> 00:41:24,635 Speaker 1: Nancy Fauss. The best baseball stadium organist ever. Our announcer 627 00:41:24,715 --> 00:41:27,195 Speaker 1: today was my friend Larry David, and everything else was 628 00:41:27,235 --> 00:41:29,915 Speaker 1: pretty much my fault. So that's countdown for this, the 629 00:41:29,955 --> 00:41:32,515 Speaker 1: eight hundred and eighty ninth day since Donald Trump's first 630 00:41:32,515 --> 00:41:36,155 Speaker 1: attempted coup against the democratically elected government of the United States. 631 00:41:36,475 --> 00:41:40,795 Speaker 1: Arrest him now while we still cat all right, it's 632 00:41:41,155 --> 00:41:45,515 Speaker 1: much shot day. The next scheduled countdown is tomorrow, although 633 00:41:45,555 --> 00:41:49,595 Speaker 1: I am on bulletin alert today till then, I'm Keith Oldramman. 634 00:41:49,635 --> 00:41:52,635 Speaker 1: Good morning, good afternoon, good night, and good luck. 635 00:41:55,555 --> 00:41:58,035 Speaker 2: Oh if he gets indoctrinated, January sixth is gonna look 636 00:41:58,075 --> 00:41:58,835 Speaker 2: like a playground. 637 00:41:59,315 --> 00:42:03,275 Speaker 1: Countdown with Keith Olderman is a production of iHeartRadio. For 638 00:42:03,435 --> 00:42:08,355 Speaker 1: more podcasts from iHeartRadio, visit the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, 639 00:42:08,595 --> 00:42:10,555 Speaker 1: or wherever you get your podcasts.