WEBVTT - Thinking Sideways: Sabrina Aisenberg disappearance 0:00:00.080 --> 0:00:03.480 Thinking Sideways is not supported by overweight animals trying to 0:00:03.520 --> 0:00:07.360 climb onto furniture. Instead, it's supported by the generous donations 0:00:07.360 --> 0:00:10.480 of our listeners on Patreon. Visit patreon dot com slash 0:00:10.480 --> 0:00:18.560 thinking sideways to learn more and thanks Thinking Sideways. I 0:00:18.600 --> 0:00:28.920 don't know. You never know stories of things we simply 0:00:28.960 --> 0:00:34.479 don't know the answer too. Hi there, and welcome to 0:00:34.560 --> 0:00:38.800 another episode of Thinking Sideways. I'm Joe, joined us always 0:00:38.840 --> 0:00:43.159 by Devin and Steve, and we're here this week to 0:00:43.159 --> 0:00:47.640 talk about another unsolved mystery. Indeed, yeah, yeah, this is 0:00:47.720 --> 0:00:50.640 a obviously one that's not been unsolved. It's almost twenty 0:00:50.720 --> 0:00:54.320 years old. Um, it's about the disappearance of Sabrina Eisenberg. 0:00:55.040 --> 0:00:57.120 Before you go any further, I'd like to give a 0:00:57.120 --> 0:01:00.800 big shout out to Claressa who suggested this mystery. Thanks Clarissa, 0:01:01.400 --> 0:01:05.120 and also probably a little a little warning. This involves 0:01:05.160 --> 0:01:08.959 a kidnapping impossible, god knows what a five months old girl. 0:01:09.400 --> 0:01:11.320 So if you're sensitive to that kind of thing, then 0:01:11.400 --> 0:01:13.399 you know, you a trigger. For folks, you might want 0:01:13.400 --> 0:01:16.120 to skip it, but you know, but we get on 0:01:16.160 --> 0:01:18.280 the other hand, we're not sensitive at all, so we're 0:01:18.280 --> 0:01:25.119 gonna go ahead and talk about it. So, Sabrina Eisenberg 0:01:25.200 --> 0:01:27.600 was a five month actually not quite five months old 0:01:27.720 --> 0:01:30.399 baby when she was one night, taken from her crib 0:01:30.640 --> 0:01:34.240 by a person or persons unknown, and she hasn't been 0:01:34.240 --> 0:01:37.880 seen since. Her parents believe she's still alive somewhere and 0:01:37.880 --> 0:01:40.200 that she was stolen for sale to a childless couple 0:01:40.840 --> 0:01:44.679 or maybe stolen by some baby crazy crazy person, which 0:01:44.760 --> 0:01:47.800 does happen to people just because they want a kid. 0:01:48.280 --> 0:01:50.960 But a lot of other people think she's dead. So 0:01:51.080 --> 0:01:54.200 let's get into our mystery, which begins in Veldrico, Florida, 0:01:54.360 --> 0:01:56.840 which is a suburb of Tampa. It's to the east 0:01:56.880 --> 0:02:00.880 of Tampa. Steve and Marline Eisenberg had three kids, William 0:02:00.880 --> 0:02:04.400 who was eight, Monica four, and Sabrina, who was just 0:02:04.480 --> 0:02:07.160 short of five months old. As I said, and they 0:02:07.160 --> 0:02:09.560 also had a dog named Brownie. It was very lazy 0:02:09.760 --> 0:02:15.520 about a job. Yeah, I saw her, and I've seen 0:02:15.520 --> 0:02:20.360 the dogs brown brown Yeah, so that was that was Brownie. 0:02:20.480 --> 0:02:27.200 So Marlene was woking up the morning of November by 0:02:27.280 --> 0:02:29.240 noise coming out of the living room. She said her 0:02:29.240 --> 0:02:31.560 fish tank filter was apparently making a lot of noise. 0:02:32.160 --> 0:02:34.000 So she got up and walked out to check it, 0:02:34.040 --> 0:02:35.960 and she was fiddling with it, and she suddenly noticed 0:02:36.000 --> 0:02:38.840 that she could see in their laundry room to the 0:02:38.840 --> 0:02:41.720 open door, and from there, through there she could see 0:02:41.760 --> 0:02:44.320 the door that led to the garage, and that door 0:02:44.440 --> 0:02:47.079 was open, and the garage was open. The garage door 0:02:47.160 --> 0:02:50.520 was open too, So she suddenly sussed out that it 0:02:50.560 --> 0:02:53.120 looked like maybe they had left their garage door opened. 0:02:53.160 --> 0:02:54.880 But then the door between the garage and the house 0:02:54.880 --> 0:02:57.120 had been left up unlocked, and somebody had all the 0:02:57.160 --> 0:02:59.960 doors were open, yeah, and then somebody had entered the house. 0:03:00.360 --> 0:03:02.200 Have you guys, you guys have seen the footage of 0:03:02.240 --> 0:03:05.200 the house. Yeah, it is. It is a straight line 0:03:05.280 --> 0:03:07.960 from their hallway through those doors and out the garage. 0:03:08.480 --> 0:03:10.640 You can see right out. So she suddenly realized that, hey, 0:03:10.680 --> 0:03:13.080 it looks like somebody made have walked into the house 0:03:13.440 --> 0:03:16.160 some summing sometime in the dark of night. That kind 0:03:16.160 --> 0:03:20.079 of freaked her out, yeah, understandably. She she ran to 0:03:20.120 --> 0:03:22.960 Sabrina's bedroom and checked her crib and sure enough it 0:03:23.040 --> 0:03:26.560 was empty. And now to clarify, Sabrina's bedroom was at 0:03:26.600 --> 0:03:29.919 the first bedroom. It was one of the first rooms 0:03:29.919 --> 0:03:32.520 that you would have come to from the garage and 0:03:32.760 --> 0:03:35.800 the laundry room. Yeah so, but it was the first 0:03:35.960 --> 0:03:38.520 It was the first bedroom that you would come to. 0:03:38.640 --> 0:03:40.360 I went to the impression it was the first bedroom. 0:03:40.800 --> 0:03:42.960 I've never actually seen who a map of who slept 0:03:42.960 --> 0:03:45.160 in which room, but I have to presume I agree 0:03:45.200 --> 0:03:48.720 with Joey. Yeah, so she wouldn't have had whoever it 0:03:48.760 --> 0:03:50.840 came in and stole Sabrina wouldn't have had to go 0:03:50.880 --> 0:03:53.560 by everybody's bedroom. Well, you know, if you're stealthy and nothing, 0:03:53.600 --> 0:03:55.640 people just sound asleep. It's not that I'm just trying 0:03:55.640 --> 0:04:00.480 to like lay the foundation mentally out. Marlene says she screamed, 0:04:00.520 --> 0:04:02.720 which woke Steve up. Steve comes out of the bedroom. 0:04:02.920 --> 0:04:05.040 He also sees the baby is gone. Marlene gets on 0:04:05.040 --> 0:04:08.680 the horn calls one at six forty two am, and 0:04:08.800 --> 0:04:11.360 I guess he was a little incoherent. Um, but I 0:04:11.400 --> 0:04:14.240 have surprisingly yeah, I've not been able to find much 0:04:14.240 --> 0:04:16.360 of that the the actual call on the internet. A 0:04:16.360 --> 0:04:18.400 few snippets here and there they found on TV news 0:04:18.440 --> 0:04:22.480 programs included small snippets, and that's all I found. Um. Eventually, 0:04:22.480 --> 0:04:24.719 she hands the phone to Steve and she got another 0:04:24.760 --> 0:04:27.360 line to call her mother and then I'm on One 0:04:27.360 --> 0:04:29.880 operator asked Steve, among other things, if he searched the 0:04:29.920 --> 0:04:33.080 house for Sabrina, and Steve admitted that he hadn't, so 0:04:33.160 --> 0:04:36.360 he told William to go search the house. That's the 0:04:36.400 --> 0:04:39.040 eight year old son, that is he, that is the son. Yeah, 0:04:39.400 --> 0:04:42.680 And of course William did not find Sabrina anywhere, and 0:04:42.800 --> 0:04:45.800 I'm sure that the house was thoroughly searched again after 0:04:45.839 --> 0:04:49.000 the police got there too. You know, the thing with 0:04:49.080 --> 0:04:53.280 Steve is a barely being a Steve, I can interpret him. Yeah, 0:04:54.080 --> 0:04:57.280 but no, the thing is he has he has a 0:04:57.360 --> 0:05:02.239 different way of phrasing, his setting his and and putting things. 0:05:02.320 --> 0:05:04.680 And I think that's one of the things that has 0:05:04.760 --> 0:05:08.680 not served him well because when the operator asked him, 0:05:09.080 --> 0:05:12.080 have you searched the house? He says, he says no, 0:05:12.279 --> 0:05:14.160 and then you can hear him talking to him, he says, 0:05:14.480 --> 0:05:18.000 search the house. I think it's something like turnover every 0:05:18.040 --> 0:05:21.520 pillow in case she got out of her crib, which 0:05:21.640 --> 0:05:25.400 there is no possible way she could have done. And 0:05:25.480 --> 0:05:29.680 people are like, why would you say that it really is, 0:05:29.720 --> 0:05:32.560 except I get it because I know people who just 0:05:32.920 --> 0:05:35.919 they just voice do this even though I know it 0:05:36.040 --> 0:05:40.440 can't possibly have happened, but maybe maybe, you know, maybe 0:05:40.440 --> 0:05:43.159 he was a little exasperated with a nine on one operator. 0:05:43.160 --> 0:05:46.720 You know, maybe maybe I got as Burger should be 0:05:46.720 --> 0:05:49.840 honest with you. Here's something I will say is that 0:05:50.040 --> 0:05:53.160 you know, somebody who's raised two children, right, and this 0:05:53.200 --> 0:05:55.920 is his third, he's probably in kind of a panic. 0:05:56.320 --> 0:05:59.240 And it's totally reasonable, reasonable to believe that. I mean, 0:05:59.279 --> 0:06:01.800 within a couple of months of five months, kids are 0:06:01.920 --> 0:06:05.159 escaping from their crib, no problem, and so it's totally 0:06:05.200 --> 0:06:07.479 reasonable to assume that he was like, well, maybe she 0:06:07.480 --> 0:06:10.200 figured it out. I don't know, maybe she figured out. 0:06:10.240 --> 0:06:14.200 Maybe he's remembering his other kids were total escape artists. 0:06:14.200 --> 0:06:17.839 And I mean, it's just, yeah, he's he's just he's 0:06:18.120 --> 0:06:19.400 And by the way, I don't I don't want to 0:06:19.480 --> 0:06:21.640 sound like I was bashing when I said he sounds 0:06:21.680 --> 0:06:24.880 like he has aspergers. He's just he's very mechanical in 0:06:24.920 --> 0:06:28.400 the way that he's talks and he acts. He's very 0:06:28.680 --> 0:06:32.400 light on the emotional side. And that's why it sounded 0:06:32.480 --> 0:06:34.200 so weird. But you're right, he could have thought it 0:06:34.240 --> 0:06:36.920 that way, or he could have thought there's no freaking way, 0:06:37.000 --> 0:06:39.480 But I'm just gonna do this to satisfy this woman 0:06:39.520 --> 0:06:42.320 on the phone. Should get the damn cops here. Yeah, yeah, 0:06:42.360 --> 0:06:45.120 that's that might have been it. But yeah, I think 0:06:45.120 --> 0:06:47.440 by that time they already had cops on the way anyhow. Yeah, 0:06:47.440 --> 0:06:50.120 they were they were sure they were rude. Yeah. Uh. 0:06:50.880 --> 0:06:53.960 After his his call and he went next door because 0:06:53.960 --> 0:06:57.360 his neighbor, Scott Middleton, was a former Tampa police officer, 0:06:58.080 --> 0:07:00.080 and so he thought, for some reason or another at 0:07:00.080 --> 0:07:01.920 midletoid maybe should come over and look at the crime 0:07:01.960 --> 0:07:04.280 scene or for help, or maybe you just don't get 0:07:04.279 --> 0:07:07.160 good advice, remember whatever. And Medison said there was something 0:07:07.160 --> 0:07:10.440 odd about the Eisenberg's. He said, I quote, there was 0:07:10.480 --> 0:07:14.240 absolutely no emotion with Steve and marleyn like nothing had happened. 0:07:14.520 --> 0:07:18.000 They weren't broken up, no tears being shed unquote. So 0:07:18.040 --> 0:07:20.160 obviously he thought there was something hinky going on here. 0:07:20.480 --> 0:07:22.640 I feel like that's contrary and other things I've seen, 0:07:22.720 --> 0:07:26.040 but okay, yeah, yeah, well yeah, but I do think 0:07:26.080 --> 0:07:29.480 that Steve, even even on their TV appearance to day of, 0:07:29.640 --> 0:07:34.080 he was pretty pretty emotionless. But that you know, again, 0:07:34.280 --> 0:07:37.960 you know, people react in different ways. Thank you, and frankly, 0:07:38.200 --> 0:07:40.120 you know, you're not required to show an a particular 0:07:40.160 --> 0:07:42.240 emotion or not. It's not you know, it's not as 0:07:42.240 --> 0:07:46.880 if grief requires a specific response. There is no specified 0:07:46.960 --> 0:07:50.320 response to panic and greek. I know. Also they've come 0:07:50.400 --> 0:07:51.920 under some fire, which I think we're going to talk 0:07:51.920 --> 0:07:54.240 about in a little bit that they like, you know, 0:07:54.360 --> 0:07:57.840 in months after, like we're seen smiling and people are like, 0:07:57.920 --> 0:08:01.200 obviously they killed Actually that happened the day of the 0:08:01.280 --> 0:08:05.040 day of Yeah, yeah, totally, yeah, sorry, my timelines are 0:08:05.040 --> 0:08:10.160 a little off, but yeah, I don't know if people. 0:08:10.200 --> 0:08:13.240 People do have their own strange reactions. There's there's an 0:08:13.320 --> 0:08:16.360 amazing amount of pressure for these people. And I don't 0:08:16.360 --> 0:08:20.360 mean public pressure. I just mean emotional pressure. And I 0:08:20.400 --> 0:08:23.440 think that they react in a way that most people don't. 0:08:23.520 --> 0:08:26.320 But I don't think that that's indicative of guilt. But 0:08:26.440 --> 0:08:29.320 I I'm already getting head I apologize. Yeah, yeah, I 0:08:29.320 --> 0:08:32.520 mean it could it could mean, it could go either way. Really, yeah, 0:08:33.040 --> 0:08:35.480 it may be guilty of sin and maybe not. We'll 0:08:35.480 --> 0:08:37.880 find out, alright. So so they go they go talk 0:08:37.920 --> 0:08:42.800 to the neighbor Middleton. Yeah, and so there this whole thing, 0:08:42.880 --> 0:08:45.120 the the emotion thing, and everything was kind of the 0:08:45.120 --> 0:08:47.600 beginning of their troubles that they had with the law. 0:08:48.520 --> 0:08:51.440 When the kind of Shaff's deputy started showing up, the 0:08:51.440 --> 0:08:54.160 press was right behind them. They started searching the neighborhood 0:08:54.200 --> 0:08:57.400 along with the house, and they started questioning Stephen marleying. Uh. 0:08:57.440 --> 0:08:59.840 And in cases like this, of course, usually the parents 0:08:59.840 --> 0:09:03.560 of the culprits sadly, yeah yeah, and so naturally the cops, 0:09:03.679 --> 0:09:06.280 you know, we're suspicious from the very beginning. One thing 0:09:06.280 --> 0:09:08.400 that struck the cops about the about their home was 0:09:08.440 --> 0:09:11.840 just how chaotic and messy it was, which to them 0:09:12.040 --> 0:09:15.480 signified maybe it neglect. And I'm not so sure. I mean, 0:09:15.480 --> 0:09:17.560 my house is kind of messy too. So, and you 0:09:17.600 --> 0:09:21.120 don't have two children that are under the age of 0:09:21.200 --> 0:09:24.080 ten and a child that is only five months old. 0:09:24.160 --> 0:09:26.080 You also didn't just ask an eight year old to 0:09:26.280 --> 0:09:31.600 literally turn over every single it might have been amazingly efficient. 0:09:32.320 --> 0:09:34.400 Eight year old usually are pretty good at tearing things 0:09:34.400 --> 0:09:36.440 a part, Yeah, well, young William probably actually had a 0:09:36.440 --> 0:09:40.680 good time. Yeah yeah. And another the problem the investigator 0:09:40.720 --> 0:09:43.120 has had with this these two is that Marlene told 0:09:43.160 --> 0:09:45.200 the first chair of Stepantes who ride on the scene, 0:09:45.200 --> 0:09:46.920 that she had been woken up by the fish tank. 0:09:47.000 --> 0:09:49.679 Remember I mentioned that noisy filter, which if you ever 0:09:49.720 --> 0:09:51.640 had a fish tank filter that was going south there 0:09:51.720 --> 0:09:55.079 freaking yeah, I've never had a fish tank, but I'll 0:09:55.080 --> 0:09:56.959 take your word for it. I'll get you one. Yeah, okay, 0:09:56.960 --> 0:09:59.120 thank you. And then but then a few hours later 0:09:59.160 --> 0:10:00.960 she told another investor get if she'd been woken up 0:10:00.960 --> 0:10:03.400 by the television, which apparently had some sort of wake 0:10:03.480 --> 0:10:06.120 up function. Oh, I've had those. Yeah. Yeah, And so 0:10:07.000 --> 0:10:09.560 that obviously raised a red flag for the police, but 0:10:09.640 --> 0:10:12.440 you know, there wasn't enough to run him downtown quite yet. 0:10:12.840 --> 0:10:15.720 They did suggest that they go on television and plead 0:10:15.760 --> 0:10:19.240 for Sabrina's kidnappers to return her, and they did videotape 0:10:19.320 --> 0:10:22.320 something that aired I think that afternoon or evening, and 0:10:22.360 --> 0:10:26.120 I've seen that I've seen that tape of Yeah, yeah, hey, guys, 0:10:26.120 --> 0:10:27.600 have any opinions on the tape? What do you want 0:10:27.600 --> 0:10:29.280 to talk about that later in theories so we can 0:10:29.280 --> 0:10:32.240 talk about it now. Yeah, what were your thoughts, Stevin? Well, 0:10:32.400 --> 0:10:34.679 I don't don't. I feel like we should a little 0:10:34.679 --> 0:10:38.800 bit describe it, right, Okay, So it is all of 0:10:38.840 --> 0:10:41.240 the news cameras are outside of the house, and a 0:10:41.280 --> 0:10:45.040 cop walks out and there's a police car backed into 0:10:45.080 --> 0:10:47.800 the drive unmarked police car backed into the driveway, and 0:10:47.840 --> 0:10:50.840 the cop walks over the driver's side and gets in 0:10:51.400 --> 0:10:54.400 rather stone face doesn't doesn't seem to have a whole 0:10:54.400 --> 0:10:58.320 lot of emotion, and Steve and Marlene follow behind, and 0:10:58.360 --> 0:11:00.280 they split so that one goes to one side and 0:11:00.320 --> 0:11:02.800 one goes to the other for the passengers door. And 0:11:03.160 --> 0:11:09.160 just as they're starting to split, they both simultaneously break 0:11:09.240 --> 0:11:13.559 into a rather large smile. Yeah, that's that's the whole scene, 0:11:13.600 --> 0:11:16.480 and then get into the car at each other, at 0:11:16.480 --> 0:11:21.400 each other and possibly somebody else, because you know, the 0:11:21.480 --> 0:11:25.920 situation that's going on. Yeah, and so I mean, actually 0:11:25.960 --> 0:11:28.360 that was the background of the situation. What happened they 0:11:28.400 --> 0:11:31.720 say happened proceeding the smile, I guess, well. I think 0:11:31.720 --> 0:11:33.360 he was saying that that one of the detectives cracked 0:11:33.360 --> 0:11:36.960 a joke or something like that, which is kind of 0:11:37.040 --> 0:11:39.080 under I mean, yeah, the guy cuts a joke, it 0:11:39.120 --> 0:11:41.400 breaks a joke. It's kind of understandable in a situation 0:11:41.440 --> 0:11:44.120 like that, which is nothing but stress, because that's but 0:11:44.200 --> 0:11:47.120 that's not there's the other. There's more than one time 0:11:47.120 --> 0:11:49.840 where they were on camera with the smile, and you 0:11:49.880 --> 0:11:52.000 were talking about the other the other one, right, the 0:11:52.000 --> 0:11:54.480 other one where they went on TV that I haven't 0:11:54.480 --> 0:11:58.280 seen anything to plead for the kidnapper or whoever it 0:11:58.360 --> 0:12:01.959 was taken Sabena to to bring back and gotta and 0:12:01.960 --> 0:12:05.040 and Steve is sitting there just stone faced the whole time, 0:12:05.480 --> 0:12:08.280 as he typically is. Yeah, as he usually kind of is, 0:12:08.320 --> 0:12:12.880 and she is being kind of tearful. To me, there 0:12:12.960 --> 0:12:15.679 was something about her grief that seemed a little off. 0:12:15.960 --> 0:12:20.160 Susan Shepherd is that is that what you're referencing now? Okay, now, 0:12:20.559 --> 0:12:24.320 not Susan Shepherd. Susan Shepherd was the woman who three 0:12:24.400 --> 0:12:28.320 years prior had made a claim that someone had stolen 0:12:28.559 --> 0:12:31.000 car with their children. I thought that was Susan Smith 0:12:31.480 --> 0:12:34.000 or Susan Smith, thank you. I always do that. I 0:12:34.480 --> 0:12:36.160 don't know why I always want to call her Shepherd. 0:12:36.200 --> 0:12:38.840 But she's the one who then was eventually discovered to 0:12:38.880 --> 0:12:41.960 have killed her children herself. Yeah, and that that probably 0:12:42.000 --> 0:12:43.959 colored a lot of people's thinking in this case. Well, 0:12:44.400 --> 0:12:48.360 if you watched the two videos side by side, they're 0:12:48.559 --> 0:12:53.400 very similar. It's scary. I mean, it's just grief. Again, 0:12:53.440 --> 0:12:56.319 it's grief, but if they're very similar. Yeah, and and 0:12:56.880 --> 0:12:59.880 Marlene's Marlene's acting I didn't think was really up to 0:13:00.400 --> 0:13:03.440 She didn't strike me as entirely convincing. Oh and there's 0:13:03.480 --> 0:13:05.520 another thing that happened on the on the first day, 0:13:05.559 --> 0:13:08.199 the morning of thinking. The police of course didn't really 0:13:08.240 --> 0:13:10.280 think it was a kidnapper at all, but you know, 0:13:10.720 --> 0:13:13.880 it could have been possibly, So they asked permission to 0:13:13.920 --> 0:13:16.040 put a tap on there from their home phone in 0:13:16.080 --> 0:13:19.480 case the kidnapp called in with ransom demands. Um, and 0:13:19.520 --> 0:13:22.200 so before so we've actually were sticking with the original 0:13:22.240 --> 0:13:24.720 time when we jumped ahead with the bouncing around the 0:13:24.720 --> 0:13:27.959 timeline of that day. These are all things that happened 0:13:27.960 --> 0:13:30.199 on the David. This is the request to put the 0:13:30.240 --> 0:13:33.400 tap on the phone happened earlier in the day before. 0:13:33.440 --> 0:13:35.400 I think that even they left the house and there 0:13:35.440 --> 0:13:39.800 was a little smile that was on like almost right away. Uh. 0:13:39.800 --> 0:13:42.360 And Steve did get their permission to do that, but 0:13:42.440 --> 0:13:44.280 he knew there was a tap on the phone. Yeah, 0:13:44.280 --> 0:13:46.520 either that or he gave him permission and promptly forgot 0:13:46.520 --> 0:13:48.439 about it. I don't know, but he knew there was 0:13:48.440 --> 0:13:50.880 a tap on the phone. And another thing that struck 0:13:50.960 --> 0:13:53.679 the cops as odd was that the Issenberg's had left 0:13:53.679 --> 0:13:56.640 their garage door opened overnight, although apparently it's a mistake 0:13:56.679 --> 0:14:00.280 they had made before court. Apparently, Yeah, they were is 0:14:00.320 --> 0:14:03.480 for leaving their doors open. Yeah, and they also had kids. Yeah, 0:14:03.480 --> 0:14:04.920 and they left. Yeah, they left the door from the 0:14:04.920 --> 0:14:07.360 garage to the house unlocked, which seems like he would love. 0:14:07.400 --> 0:14:09.160 I would. I would if I lived there, I would. 0:14:09.200 --> 0:14:11.240 Even if I didn't close the garage door, I would. 0:14:11.240 --> 0:14:15.080 I would lock that door. But yeah, kids, kids coming 0:14:15.120 --> 0:14:17.920 in out of places. That's why years ago, and like 0:14:18.120 --> 0:14:21.360 what I understand to have been a relatively safe suburb, 0:14:21.720 --> 0:14:23.920 pretty quiet suburb of Tampa. You know, maybe it wasn't 0:14:23.920 --> 0:14:26.960 that big of a deal. Yeah, but growing up, we all, 0:14:27.200 --> 0:14:29.000 like we had doors that were left unlocked, not at 0:14:29.080 --> 0:14:31.920 night usually, but but you know, I mean it was 0:14:31.800 --> 0:14:34.360 it was a lucky break for the intruder anyway, that's 0:14:34.400 --> 0:14:35.960 one way to look at it. Certainly the way the 0:14:36.000 --> 0:14:38.760 cops saw it. The intruders somehow made his way into 0:14:38.800 --> 0:14:42.040 the house and found Seberina and got away without waking 0:14:42.040 --> 0:14:44.360 anybody up, although that would probably wouldn't be that hard. 0:14:45.040 --> 0:14:47.000 One thing that I don't see mentioned in your stuff. 0:14:47.000 --> 0:14:49.120 Here is the fact that people believe that she was 0:14:49.560 --> 0:14:53.160 taken and not waking up because of the fact that 0:14:53.200 --> 0:14:56.480 her blanket was gone. It's her what is the crib blanket? 0:14:56.520 --> 0:15:00.200 Is that what it's called? Yeah, And because it's leave 0:15:00.240 --> 0:15:01.840 that she was wrapped up in that to keep her 0:15:01.840 --> 0:15:06.080 warm and swaddled and quiet, and so she had so 0:15:06.280 --> 0:15:08.280 she probably didn't wake up. But even if she had 0:15:08.320 --> 0:15:12.520 woken up, you know, the parents might not have woken 0:15:12.600 --> 0:15:17.600 up right away. Yeah, I am contrary to my belief. 0:15:17.600 --> 0:15:21.800 Apparently babies don't instantly wake up in a scream, so 0:15:22.160 --> 0:15:25.280 it's entirely possible. Well, even when they do, sometimes it 0:15:25.320 --> 0:15:27.960 takes a while if you build up. Yeah. Well, or 0:15:28.080 --> 0:15:30.640 if you you know, have been listening to a baby 0:15:30.760 --> 0:15:33.320 cry at night, if you're you know, sleep training them. 0:15:33.320 --> 0:15:35.880 For instance, five months is about when people start sleep 0:15:35.880 --> 0:15:39.480 training babies. That one they just you let them cry 0:15:39.480 --> 0:15:42.160 it out. Yeah, you know, they wake up and they cry, 0:15:42.440 --> 0:15:46.000 let him cry for son, Yeah, you'll let him go, yeah, 0:15:46.000 --> 0:15:47.760 and usually they'll that's how they learned how to sell, 0:15:47.880 --> 0:15:52.280 soothe and put themselves back to sleep at some point, So, 0:15:52.440 --> 0:15:53.720 I mean they may have just been used to it, 0:15:54.720 --> 0:15:56.400 although you would assume that you could tell that it 0:15:56.480 --> 0:16:01.160 was moving. Maybe not that baby is throwing her voice. 0:16:01.320 --> 0:16:05.040 It's the weirdest thing. Yeah, I know. Further and further away, 0:16:05.240 --> 0:16:06.520 by the way, I want to I want to point 0:16:06.520 --> 0:16:09.080 out something that I find very funny in a lot 0:16:09.120 --> 0:16:11.560 of those spots where you see the story listed is 0:16:11.600 --> 0:16:16.080 everybody says, Sabrina and her crip blanket are missing, and 0:16:16.160 --> 0:16:18.920 yet nobody has put out an APB on that crib blanket. 0:16:19.480 --> 0:16:22.040 Nobody is looking for the crib and her. It just 0:16:22.160 --> 0:16:24.680 made out. It's such a funny way when it's written. 0:16:24.840 --> 0:16:27.600 Yeah that, Yeah, the blanket is written, and they would 0:16:27.600 --> 0:16:29.160 like it back. Yeah, even if you want to keep 0:16:29.160 --> 0:16:31.320 the baby, we want the blanket back. We might have 0:16:31.400 --> 0:16:35.040 pictures of the blanket. Yeah, we missed that blanket, uh, 0:16:35.480 --> 0:16:39.320 preferably with the baby in it. Yeah. Probably. But of 0:16:39.360 --> 0:16:42.720 course it's the odd thing that that really was raised. 0:16:42.840 --> 0:16:45.960 Yet another big flag as the dog didn't bark. Yeah, 0:16:46.120 --> 0:16:48.520 not a big flag to me. Yeah, well, it depends 0:16:48.560 --> 0:16:50.680 on who you talk to. And the family said that 0:16:50.680 --> 0:16:53.040 that Brownie was a real quiet dog and then barket 0:16:53.040 --> 0:16:56.800 people ever, But then again, their neighbor Scott Middleton, remember 0:16:56.880 --> 0:16:59.480 him the next cop. He said that Brownie barked all 0:16:59.520 --> 0:17:02.000 the time and barked at everybody. The thing is is 0:17:02.040 --> 0:17:06.560 that I watched a piece of footage where the camera 0:17:06.640 --> 0:17:10.000 crew just walked in the house and Brownie just like, Hi, 0:17:10.280 --> 0:17:12.359 how you doing? How you doing? You get pat me? 0:17:12.800 --> 0:17:17.119 You know, typical dumbhouse dogs behavior. Not a peep came out. 0:17:17.880 --> 0:17:20.560 So it could be, Um, we'll talk about in theories too, 0:17:20.640 --> 0:17:23.760 maybe the kidnapper was somebody that Brownie knew. Yeah yeah, 0:17:23.800 --> 0:17:27.000 I mean told the strangers one thing, Brownie who did it? Y? 0:17:27.440 --> 0:17:31.680 Yeah it was the X cop who did it? Dog? Yeah? Yeah, 0:17:31.720 --> 0:17:35.240 I like the ex cop theory. Yeah. Um, so the 0:17:35.240 --> 0:17:38.280 Eisenberg's I should I should have mentioned some other physical 0:17:38.320 --> 0:17:40.120 evidence to By the way, I forgot about this. There 0:17:40.160 --> 0:17:43.400 was there was a kind of a footprint, a handprint 0:17:43.480 --> 0:17:46.879 similar partial handprint was over. There was there was some fingerprints. 0:17:46.880 --> 0:17:50.119 They had a slide back door and then they had 0:17:50.160 --> 0:17:52.240 some fingerprints on it, and then the crib itself. There 0:17:52.280 --> 0:17:54.520 was there was one stray blonde hair, and everybody in 0:17:54.520 --> 0:17:57.560 the family had dark hair, although that could be explained 0:17:57.600 --> 0:17:59.560 maybe if they just had a visitor with blonde hair 0:17:59.720 --> 0:18:02.359 to come by visit the baby. But they had that, 0:18:02.440 --> 0:18:05.280 and then there was apparently a footprint on what's that 0:18:05.080 --> 0:18:07.040 that little ruffled thing that goes around the base of 0:18:07.040 --> 0:18:11.840 the crib, that blanket thinking when hangs down crib skirt. Okay, 0:18:11.880 --> 0:18:16.720 that sounds good enough. Yeah, there was a footprint on that, 0:18:17.560 --> 0:18:20.040 although it's hard to see, I get a footprint on that, Okay, 0:18:20.119 --> 0:18:21.800 you know, okay, but yeah, that was that was a 0:18:21.840 --> 0:18:25.760 physical evidence. That's weird. Yeah, that's weird. That's why why 0:18:25.800 --> 0:18:28.280 they would like come in through the front, through the 0:18:28.280 --> 0:18:31.600 garage and then exit through the slider in the back, 0:18:31.680 --> 0:18:34.840 and then apparently sent ducks followed the scent out to 0:18:34.880 --> 0:18:38.640 the back fence. So maybe somebody came into the front. 0:18:38.680 --> 0:18:40.080 You would think they come in from the front and 0:18:40.080 --> 0:18:45.040 then exit by the front. But maybe maybe if it 0:18:45.119 --> 0:18:47.200 was a sort of a team effort, you know, maybe 0:18:47.200 --> 0:18:50.639 somebody took Sabrina, carried her out to the back fence 0:18:50.800 --> 0:18:54.320 and handed her over the fence. That doesn't make any sense, Joe, Well, 0:18:54.320 --> 0:18:56.480 climbing over a fence with a baby, that makes it 0:18:56.440 --> 0:19:00.720 doesn't make any sense, less sense that that's an instant 0:19:00.760 --> 0:19:03.960 way to wake up a baby. Used to jostle them 0:19:04.040 --> 0:19:07.399 over a fence. Yeah, but I also don't was the 0:19:07.440 --> 0:19:10.679 skirt like hanging down on the ground. Maybe maybe it 0:19:10.840 --> 0:19:12.880 kind of partially detached and it was sort of laying 0:19:12.880 --> 0:19:14.560 on the ground probably the only way that I could 0:19:14.600 --> 0:19:17.199 imagine a footprint getting on there. Yeah, that's that's that 0:19:17.240 --> 0:19:19.800 kind of struck me as funny too. But anyway, it 0:19:19.800 --> 0:19:22.960 was an evidence that they could ever usefully use. None 0:19:22.960 --> 0:19:26.400 of it was um And you know it's another piece 0:19:26.440 --> 0:19:28.840 of evidence which again doesn't really give us much, is 0:19:28.840 --> 0:19:31.159 that that's one of the next door neighbors was out 0:19:31.200 --> 0:19:34.320 walking his dog about one am and the dog barked 0:19:34.600 --> 0:19:36.320 and then he heard the sound of a baby crying 0:19:36.320 --> 0:19:40.800 in the woods off behind their houses. Yeah, red herring 0:19:40.880 --> 0:19:43.159 right there. I'm going to call that. Yeah, yeah, I 0:19:43.200 --> 0:19:45.960 think so. So it was just it was probably somebody 0:19:45.960 --> 0:19:49.000 with us just blame the baby app on their iPhone. Yeah, 0:19:51.600 --> 0:19:54.080 but no, I mean, you know, there's there's other people 0:19:54.240 --> 0:19:58.680 who have babies, So it's not well, it doesn't really glad, 0:19:59.119 --> 0:20:01.040 it doesn't really tell say anything. Used was as far 0:20:01.040 --> 0:20:04.280 as solving our mystery here there, so but that's it. 0:20:04.359 --> 0:20:05.800 I just didn't want to leave out all those little 0:20:05.800 --> 0:20:08.760 coaching details. Oh, well, you see him battered around enough. 0:20:09.040 --> 0:20:12.440 Back to our investigation, the Eisenbergs were cooperative and they 0:20:12.480 --> 0:20:15.080 both took light detector tests and that I think that 0:20:15.160 --> 0:20:19.600 very day. Uh, Stephen Marlane claimed the tests were inconclusive, 0:20:19.640 --> 0:20:24.000 which happens quite often anyway, fairly regularly. Yeah, the polygraphs 0:20:24.000 --> 0:20:27.840 are not a percent, but the Sheriff's department leaked information 0:20:27.880 --> 0:20:31.119 that some of Marline's answers were deceptives. That's about it. 0:20:31.200 --> 0:20:34.680 That's the name. Other than that, you know they've been 0:20:34.680 --> 0:20:36.919 there have been subsequent lye detector tests that you know. 0:20:37.160 --> 0:20:40.679 The Sheriff's department won't release the results. But the Eisenberg's 0:20:40.680 --> 0:20:44.040 claimed they passed, but the Shriff's department is not saying anything. 0:20:44.760 --> 0:20:46.719 Apparently they were a day were in an unincorporated part 0:20:46.760 --> 0:20:48.440