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Speaker 1: Novel.

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Speaker 2: Hey listeners, this is Ellie Flynn.

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Speaker 3: Before we get started, I just wanted to let you

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Speaker 3: know that this episode contains swearing and explicit sexual language

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Speaker 3: and references to graphic allegations, which might be upsetting. It's

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Speaker 3: also a story of female empowerment and camaraderie thanks to

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Speaker 3: the women who have shared their stories with us. We

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Speaker 3: contacted the photographer mentioned in this podcast multiple times for comment,

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Speaker 3: but we never heard back. He has not been charged

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Speaker 3: with any crimes and is presumed innocent under the law.

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Speaker 3: We also contacted Playboy USA. They state that they have

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Speaker 3: asked their licensees to blacklist the photographer mentioned in this

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Speaker 3: series and that they prohibit paid to play the practice

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Speaker 3: of charging models to appear in magazines. Our research into

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Speaker 3: his association to Playboy and their statement can be heard

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Speaker 3: in episode four.

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Speaker 2: So you've got a bit of a camelto going on.

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Speaker 2: Every investigative journalist needs her friends.

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Speaker 3: Oh god, pretty sultry. It's quite a lot for someone's

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Speaker 3: first Instagram post, isn't it.

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Speaker 2: Sophie's one of mine. You look on comfort, so get comfy.

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Speaker 3: I've known her since we were teenagers. She's my best

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Speaker 3: mate from school and we also went to UNI together.

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Speaker 3: Back when we were eighteen, are weekends involved heading out

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Speaker 3: to clubs slathered in fake tan. Now we're in our thirties,

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Speaker 3: things are usually a bit more sedate, except for when

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Speaker 3: I ask Sophie to help me with my investigations.

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Speaker 1: I get a private message like, please help me. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I get raped into things like this all the time.

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Speaker 1: Then I say not can I. I guess I'm just

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Speaker 1: a good friend, but.

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Speaker 3: This is a big ask. Sophie is going to be

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Speaker 3: the star of a fake Instagram.

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Speaker 2: Profile, boobs out all the time.

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Speaker 3: She's posing as a glamor girl, a young muzzel just

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Speaker 3: starting out in the industry. We're going to use that

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Speaker 3: profile to arrange a meeting with Luis Gomez.

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Speaker 1: I feel like, if you guys are gonna catch a

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Speaker 1: babby and all that, then it's support him.

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Speaker 3: I've packed Sophia disguise, including a long brunette wig.

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Speaker 2: I mean, it's definitely not human hair, probably like a

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Speaker 2: very dark eyebrow.

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Speaker 3: I've also got a few lingerie sets that Emily, one

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Speaker 3: of the models who first called out Luis, helped us

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Speaker 3: pick out from Primark.

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Speaker 4: Everything's pretty lacey, slash shit, I guess that kind of

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Speaker 4: shows off a bit about I kind of like it.

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Speaker 5: It's quite big.

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Speaker 3: See who has size? And then a bottom half that

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Speaker 3: side of a din that like the size of prison.

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Speaker 3: After settling on a sheer kimono with a song underneath,

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Speaker 3: Sophie's ready for lights, camera action. Sexy like fifty year

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Speaker 3: old on the beach, like sexy boudoir, someone who's looking

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Speaker 3: for a mill.

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Speaker 2: I thought this would be a walk in the park.

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Speaker 3: It turns out glamor modeling is harder than either of

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Speaker 3: us imagined. Okay, and then just put that arm onto

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Speaker 3: your head. Yeah, you're like, you're just relaxing. I think

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Speaker 3: you need to be a bit more like what am

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Speaker 3: on your knees? Yeah, I think maybe that's where we

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Speaker 3: need to go. Sophie eases into the shoot and after

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Speaker 2: Poses, you.

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Speaker 5: Get your farm further back on the chair.

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Speaker 2: We get the money shot. That's quite sexy. Okay, that's good.

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Speaker 3: Next step we need to conceal Sophie's identity. I edit

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Speaker 3: her face and body using an app, getting rid of

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Speaker 3: identifiers like tattoos. Let me change the color of her

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Speaker 2: Okay, so I've gone for a light blue, which is

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Speaker 2: not her eye color. Sophie's gone.

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Speaker 3: Now she's Jojo Harry, a blue eyed, black haired face

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Speaker 3: tuned fem for Tao whose name was inspired by two

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Speaker 3: legendary female spies, Josephine Baker and Masa Harri Cool Har.

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Speaker 3: We're going to use Jojo to try and confront Luis

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Speaker 3: on behalf of Emily and the other models who've spoken out.

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Speaker 3: We post a few images and pay a model promoter

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Speaker 3: thirty dollars to get a few thousand followers for Jojo,

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Speaker 3: and then after years of investigation, it's time.

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Speaker 2: Ah.

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Speaker 3: I can't believe that this is all finally happening. Fore

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Speaker 3: so so surreal. We slide into Luis's DMS.

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Speaker 2: Oh my god, He's replied, I'm Ellie Flynn and from

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Speaker 2: this team at Novel.

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Speaker 3: This is the final episode of The Bunny Trap, Episode seven,

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Speaker 3: What Happens in Vegas. It's morning in London and I've

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Speaker 3: just woken up to four messages from Luis Gomes.

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Speaker 2: He tells Jojo Harri.

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Speaker 3: My fake lamb model alias, that he's going to Vegas

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Speaker 3: the next day for two weeks of shoots and that she.

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Speaker 2: Can join too.

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Speaker 3: Okay, so I am sending Luis a message now to

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Speaker 3: try and arrange a meeting. So I've said, hey, I'm

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Speaker 3: feels so much as hinging on his reply to this message,

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Speaker 3: part of me is worried that he might get spooped.

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Speaker 2: Cent Ah. Just a few hours later, I like your image.

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Speaker 6: Let me know if you are interested.

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Speaker 2: He has said, Okay, let's do it. He tells me

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Speaker 2: his rates for a.

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Speaker 6: Shoots two thousand, eight hundred and eighty. This includes the

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Speaker 6: production of photoshoot with forty edited photos three thousand, nine

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Speaker 6: hundred and eighty. This one includes also a behind the

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Speaker 6: sceneslip and for produced clips.

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Speaker 3: I'm not clear on what either of these options includes,

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Speaker 3: but either way, these prices seem really high. I tell

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Speaker 3: him it's too much money. Sure enough, Louise has a solution.

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Speaker 6: Depending if we also do full only fans content, I

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Speaker 6: can do a discount, so you pay me only one

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Speaker 6: two hundred and fifteen.

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Speaker 3: I tell Louise I don't do only fans and that

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Speaker 3: I can't afford those rates. He drops his price again,

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Speaker 3: this time to six hundred and fifty dollars, and then weirdly,

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Speaker 3: he offers me a discounted hotel room.

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Speaker 6: I have two apartments. I get you one only one

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Speaker 6: hundred dollars one for yourself.

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Speaker 2: This is bizarre.

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Speaker 3: Why does he have two hotel rooms and why is

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Speaker 3: he offering one to Jojo. We don't want to pay

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Speaker 3: staying in his hotel room, so I ignore the offer.

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Speaker 3: But at least I now know where he's staying, the

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Speaker 3: Grand View Hotel, Las Vegas, so that's where my producer

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Speaker 3: Eleanor and I are headed.

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Speaker 2: Oh my god, that's amazing. That is amazing. I can't believe.

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Speaker 7: Fuck back.

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Speaker 8: Okay, we've got to find out when he can meet,

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Speaker 2: We did it, well done. Were done to Vegas.

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Speaker 3: Good morning, It's six thirty am in Las Vegas, Nevada.

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Speaker 2: How are you feeling, Yeah, it's all right.

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Speaker 3: By the time we can get out to Vegas, Luisa's

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Speaker 3: trip is nearly over, So even though we only arrived yesterday,

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Speaker 3: in that time we need to find Luise and confront

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Speaker 3: him about everything we know. We wrote to Luis about

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Speaker 3: a month ago, asking if he would do an interview

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Speaker 3: with us and outlining the allegations that we're going to

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Speaker 3: be making in the podcast, and we said that, you know,

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Speaker 3: we wanted to give him a fair opportunity to respond

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Speaker 3: to those accusations. We know he's read it from what

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Speaker 3: we can tell from an email tracker that we've got

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Speaker 3: multiple times. Actually he's never come back to us, so

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Speaker 3: this is that last ditch attempt to hold them accountable.

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Speaker 3: I guess the fear is that the weight of your

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Speaker 3: investigation and all of the people that you've spoken to,

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Speaker 3: rests on it, and I just want to get it right.

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Speaker 3: The sun is starting to rise, dusky pink over the

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Speaker 3: mountains lining the horizon. We've headed south of the city,

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Speaker 2: It's unlike anywhere I've ever been before.

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Speaker 3: But right now I'm having a typical American experience. I'm

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Speaker 3: at a diner.

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Speaker 2: Okay, I'm going to just cook that there.

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Speaker 3: Elena and I are meeting the security guards will be

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Speaker 3: accompanying us on our mission. There are three of them,

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Speaker 3: names to protect their identities. But they're all ex cops.

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Speaker 3: Plus this is Vegas, so you know they've seen some shit.

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Speaker 9: So I've been and here it was for thirty years,

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Speaker 9: so I've worked.

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Speaker 10: I've know this town pretty well.

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Speaker 3: The ex cops look like a group of middle aged

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Speaker 3: guys in hoodies and jeans could easily be mistaken for tourists,

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Speaker 3: but the female agent it's more glamorous than you'd expect

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Speaker 3: for an next cop with bleach blonde hair. The difference

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Speaker 3: is these guys are all armed and take their mission

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Speaker 3: very seriously. I brief them about Luis over coffee, then

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Speaker 3: they get straight to work.

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Speaker 11: I will call sexual assault detail here last weeks and.

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Speaker 12: Run this by them and consue they have anything in.

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Speaker 13: Reference with details like this going to happen.

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Speaker 3: So, like I said in the metime, when we arrived

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Speaker 3: I mean, it's just so much bigger than either of

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Speaker 2: In and out. But it's not like that at all.

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Speaker 3: There is one main entrance and exit where if someone

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Speaker 2: But there's so much space to.

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Speaker 3: Cover and by the time he's in a car, if

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Speaker 3: he's driving out, that's no good to us what.

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Speaker 5: We're going to do.

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Speaker 3: I'm an eternal optimist, but looking up at this complex,

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Speaker 3: I'm thinking we might be fucked. Being here is feeling really,

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Speaker 3: really overwhelming. I'm sort of looking around that we're just

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Speaker 3: Definitely feels like finding him is going to be a

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Speaker 3: bit of a needle in a haystack. From Luise telling

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Speaker 3: Jojo that he was staying at this resort, the only

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Speaker 3: other intelligence we've been able to gather is from his

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Speaker 3: Instagram stories. His post suggests that he's been shooting with

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Speaker 3: two models all over Vegas. Our biggest clue is a

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Speaker 3: video they posted yesterday showing them driving out to the

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Speaker 3: canyons in a distinctive white jeep. We do endless laps

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Speaker 3: of the hotel car parks, hoping to spot the jeep,

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Speaker 3: but no luck. By ten am, three hours later, there's

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Speaker 3: still no sign of the car, the models, or Luise.

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Speaker 3: The waiting is so intense, but suddenly we get a clue.

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Speaker 2: He's just posted an Instagram story.

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Speaker 3: I shoot him a message from Drojo's account, telling him

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Speaker 3: I'm in Vegas and asking to me to wait and

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Speaker 3: hope that he replies to my message. The seconds tick

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Speaker 3: by as I wait for him to respond, waiting to

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Speaker 3: see if he replies. This message is actual in the

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Speaker 3: most tense part, because it's just like, if there's any

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Speaker 3: way of pinning him down to a specific location, that's

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Speaker 3: going to make our jobs so much easier. So I'm

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Speaker 3: just kind of like checking the phone every thirty seconds

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Speaker 2: He's just replied, saying yes, we can shoot. Oh my god, okay,

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Speaker 16: Yeah, but as long as we can keep this conversation

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Speaker 2: Sure, how do you feel?

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Speaker 8: We messaged him as a last stitch attempt to see

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Speaker 3: Yeah, this conversation is going nowhere. Now we're back to

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Speaker 2: And it looks like she's about to bust into tears. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: Oh my god, that looked like him.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, fuck okay, shit shit shit, shit shit, he's alone.

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Speaker 2: It's really hot now, probably the heat of the day.

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Speaker 1: And.

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Speaker 2: We're still looking for him.

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Speaker 3: I'm sitting in a car with my producer Eleanor. We're

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Speaker 3: I feel like I'm in an extremely low budget spy movie,

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Speaker 2: Ellie, that was them.

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Speaker 5: There's some tea. We don't put the cart before the horse.

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Speaker 7: Wait, jeep four bye, take a look at the mail

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Speaker 3: And after letting our third and final agent know we're

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Speaker 2: But then the jeep comes into vision again.

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Speaker 5: Okay, I've got it up front.

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Speaker 2: And we're after it.

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Speaker 7: This guy, this guy, I think he knows we're following him.

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Speaker 3: Poss on its frail. Now you chase the jeep into

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Speaker 2: Oh my god, that looked like him.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, fuck, okay, shit, shit, shit, shit shit.

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Speaker 2: He's alone.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, he's alone.

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Speaker 3: As we gain on him, he's winding and weaving, trying

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Speaker 2: This is Southern tense.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, Okay, here's in front of me. I'm just gonna

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Speaker 5: pull right up on him. I'm not going to pull

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Speaker 3: Suddenly the jeep speed drops. We lurched the side after him.

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Speaker 5: Well he's breaking me. Let's see, he's gonna pull over.

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Speaker 5: Do you want me tactic?

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Speaker 3: I think him just putt's going to see it him?

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Speaker 5: You want to see.

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Speaker 2: The agent slams on the brakes. No, it's not him,

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Speaker 2: it's not him.

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Speaker 5: It's not him. Him. How could you tell?

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Speaker 2: I could tell.

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Speaker 3: I saw his face.

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Speaker 13: It's not him.

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Speaker 5: She said, it's not him.

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Speaker 2: It wasn't Louise in the jeep.

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Speaker 3: It was a random man in a baseball cap, looking

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Speaker 3: that he'd been driving with a suspended license plate. No

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Speaker 2: It's so frustrating.

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Speaker 3: And then we see that a model Luisa's been shooting

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Speaker 5: Is that today?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Just an hour ago?

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Speaker 11: Really?

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Speaker 8: Are do you recognize that place at all? I think

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Speaker 8: we should go to the desert. That's like, the desert

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Speaker 8: is a ghost town?

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Speaker 2: Ah, it's not the desert, is it.

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Speaker 2: Could it be there? This is a ghost town the vehicles, Oh,

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Speaker 3: But time for one final Hell, Mary, we think they're

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Speaker 3: After driving up a dirt track, we come across what

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Speaker 2: Now I'm feeling properly on edge. This town is so

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Speaker 3: I haven't been a single person is literally like the

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Speaker 2: A fucking ghost town at the edge of Nevada.

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Speaker 3: It's not what I thought I would be doing when

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Speaker 3: I started investigating the glamor industry. There's an irony not

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Speaker 3: lost on me or Eleanor that our investigation into the

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Speaker 3: real wild West. There are tantalizing signs everywhere, including another

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Speaker 2: Twice. We keep hoping Luise.

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Speaker 3: Is just around the next corner, but he never is,

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Speaker 3: and as we pass yet another rundown building, even our

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Speaker 5: Do you think anybody is in here?

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Speaker 3: Looks like said?

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Speaker 5: I was thinking, And I was like, if it's a

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Speaker 7: I wonder if I showed him the picture and asked

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Speaker 12: No, I mean, that's one in a billion.

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Speaker 5: You're you're real heat, You're.

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Speaker 16: Asking though, I'm OK, That's what I did the job

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Speaker 16: I always grasped for straws.

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Speaker 3: We're about to call it a day when Luise posts

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Speaker 3: on Instagram again, Okay, we've got video.

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Speaker 2: We've got a video.

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Speaker 3: Okay, play out out a lake thing in the background.

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Speaker 7: Yeap.

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Speaker 3: This time he's out by a big body of water,

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Speaker 3: which one of our agents instantly recognizes.

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Speaker 9: You know where.

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Speaker 5: He said, it's Leap.

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Speaker 7: Lake Merom, Lake Mead.

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Speaker 5: And then you're you're being good and you'll.

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Speaker 7: Be an hour from there back to the airport.

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Speaker 5: Ah oh shit.

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Speaker 12: And by the time we get there, they could be

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Speaker 4: The lake is one hundred and one miles from end

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Speaker 12: There's very a little chance we would find him, even

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Speaker 2: Were there kneeling a haystag.

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Speaker 3: This is so hard, this is so odd, and it's

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Speaker 3: we know where he is and it's too late. I

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Speaker 3: initially felt like I'd let Emily and all the other

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Speaker 3: models down. But what was I really hoping to get

449
00:25:07,920 --> 00:25:13,520
Speaker 3: from that confrontation. We've put detailed allegations to Luise multiple times,

450
00:25:14,080 --> 00:25:18,879
Speaker 3: We've called, emailed, texted. He knows we're making this podcast,

451
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Speaker 3: but he's never responded. That silence speaks volumes to me.

452
00:25:25,520 --> 00:25:27,760
Speaker 3: I'm also far from the first person to try and

453
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Speaker 3: confront Luise. Nearly every model who you've heard in this

454
00:25:31,280 --> 00:25:35,000
Speaker 3: series spoke to him first, and he never took accountability.

455
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Speaker 3: To our knowledge, the only time Luise has addressed the

456
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Speaker 3: British women's allegations of sexual abuse was in an email

457
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Speaker 3: chain from twenty twenty two. It was sent to us

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Speaker 3: by another man in the industry, a small time magazine publisher.

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Speaker 3: Here's an excerpt from the emails.

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Speaker 6: Hello there, my name is Louise Gomez. I want to

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Speaker 6: write you because I want to show you that all

462
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Speaker 6: these girls are adults. They do everything because they want,

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Speaker 6: so here we go.

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Speaker 3: Luise said that anything that happened between him and the

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Speaker 3: models was consential. He talks about models sending him explicit

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Speaker 3: content as evidence of this consent. But I've seen her

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Speaker 3: as receipts. I've heard her account of how he got

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Speaker 3: hold of her content by pressuring her and dangling the

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Speaker 3: promise of a publication in Playboy in front of her.

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Speaker 3: In the email chain I've seen, Luise also shares screenshots

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Speaker 3: of conversations with models as evidence of consent. These are

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Speaker 3: often from before the shoots took place, and they're frank

473
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Speaker 3: discussions about sex work and OnlyFans and what these models

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Speaker 3: do online. Using these messages as evidence of consent for

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Speaker 3: alleged abuse makes me feel deeply uneasy. It seems as

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Speaker 3: though Luise is using the fact that they do sex

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Speaker 3: work as evidence that they were up for anything. This

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00:26:53,440 --> 00:26:56,080
Speaker 3: makes me realize that any confrontation I might have held

479
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Speaker 3: with Luise in Vegas was not going to bring the

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Speaker 3: model's closure. And the more I think about it, the

481
00:27:02,119 --> 00:27:04,480
Speaker 3: less I want this ending to be about Luise at all,

482
00:27:05,080 --> 00:27:08,399
Speaker 3: because platforming bad men is never what this series has

483
00:27:08,440 --> 00:27:12,240
Speaker 3: been about. I want a different resolution, something that makes

484
00:27:12,240 --> 00:27:14,880
Speaker 3: a real difference to the women I've met along this journey,

485
00:27:15,520 --> 00:27:18,080
Speaker 3: and that will hopefully protect more women in the future.

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Speaker 3: I turned to Luis's Patreon, the subscription site where he's

487
00:27:42,520 --> 00:27:46,360
Speaker 3: been posting models explicit content online, in some cases despite

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00:27:46,400 --> 00:27:50,320
Speaker 3: their please not to. For years, that Patreon account has

489
00:27:50,400 --> 00:27:54,880
Speaker 3: haunted models. Photos taken on shoots with Luise, allegedly under

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00:27:54,880 --> 00:27:58,000
Speaker 3: pressure or alongside sexual abuse have been given a second

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Speaker 3: life online, which Luise's thousands of dollars for.

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Speaker 12: Hi Allen, I'm Amaya, an assistant producer.

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Speaker 3: We get in touch with Patreon to let them know

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Speaker 3: about the allegations.

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Speaker 2: We've heard about Luise.

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Speaker 12: Investigating serious allegations by one glamor photographer. We have been

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Speaker 12: informed that this photographer has been using his Patreon account

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Speaker 12: to post content of models, including explicit images and videos,

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Speaker 12: which he had been sent privately on the condition the

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Speaker 12: content was for his eyes only.

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Speaker 3: The models claim that Patreon begins an investigation of their own.

502
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Speaker 3: About a month later, Amalia gets an update from Ellen

503
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Speaker 3: sat White, the head of communications and US policy lead

504
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Speaker 3: at Patreon at the time.

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Speaker 12: So what can you tell us?

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Speaker 13: Yeah, so I can't talk about the specific creator, but

507
00:28:51,040 --> 00:28:54,200
Speaker 13: let me say it in this way. The account was

508
00:28:54,240 --> 00:28:58,320
Speaker 13: removed for violations of our pornography policy.

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Speaker 3: Luise's Patreon is down and it's because of us.

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00:29:02,440 --> 00:29:05,080
Speaker 13: It triggered our review of this creator. Yes, we were

511
00:29:05,120 --> 00:29:06,840
Speaker 13: not aware of it until you reported it to me.

512
00:29:10,000 --> 00:29:15,160
Speaker 13: We removed this creator for having violated our policies regarding

513
00:29:15,320 --> 00:29:19,800
Speaker 13: pornographic content, and this was not their first violation.

514
00:29:20,680 --> 00:29:23,440
Speaker 3: Ellen tells us that Patreon has taken steps to make

515
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Speaker 3: sure that Luis can never bring his account back.

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Speaker 17: If they were to launch another account, it would have

517
00:29:35,360 --> 00:29:40,560
Speaker 17: to be substantively different than the account that they have currently.

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Speaker 12: So can we then assume that Universe one three seven

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Speaker 12: will not make it comeback to Patreon without Patreon's review.

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Speaker 5: That's right.

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Speaker 12: That makes me.

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Speaker 6: That makes me feel really good.

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Speaker 3: I can't wait to tell Emily the news. So we

524
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Speaker 3: managed to get his patron removed.

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Speaker 14: Yes, yes, Oh my god, Oh I love that.

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Speaker 2: Thank you.

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Speaker 14: That's that's so relieving. That's really good.

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Speaker 2: That's so it's weird.

529
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Speaker 14: It's like a it's not the outcome necessary that you know,

530
00:30:18,960 --> 00:30:20,000
Speaker 14: you can go to court and you can deal with

531
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Speaker 14: this stuff, but at the end of the day, if

532
00:30:21,160 --> 00:30:23,680
Speaker 14: it's gone, it's gone. It's a huge weight that's been

533
00:30:23,680 --> 00:30:26,719
Speaker 14: lifted knowing that that's not there anymore. And I wouldn't

534
00:30:26,720 --> 00:30:28,760
Speaker 14: have been able to do that myself. So I really

535
00:30:28,800 --> 00:30:29,400
Speaker 14: appreciate that.

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Speaker 5: Thank you.

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Speaker 3: Speaking to Emily again got me thinking about what justice

538
00:30:40,120 --> 00:30:44,440
Speaker 3: actually means in a world where successful sexual assault prosecutions

539
00:30:44,440 --> 00:30:48,480
Speaker 3: are pathetically low, where sex workers are overlooked and ignored,

540
00:30:48,880 --> 00:30:51,680
Speaker 3: while women are slut shamed and victim blaine over and

541
00:30:51,760 --> 00:30:55,320
Speaker 3: over again. Maybe this podcast in itself is a form

542
00:30:55,320 --> 00:31:03,200
Speaker 3: of justice. That first email I received back in twenty

543
00:31:03,280 --> 00:31:06,120
Speaker 3: twenty tipping me off about this story was sent to

544
00:31:06,200 --> 00:31:09,800
Speaker 3: newspaper desks all over the world, and to my knowledge,

545
00:31:10,000 --> 00:31:14,760
Speaker 3: I was the only person who responded, which unfortunately isn't

546
00:31:14,800 --> 00:31:18,360
Speaker 3: surprising to me. After all, when was the last time

547
00:31:18,480 --> 00:31:21,720
Speaker 3: you heard a mainstream media story from a sex worker's perspective.

548
00:31:22,680 --> 00:31:24,920
Speaker 3: I can't help thinking that if these women worked in

549
00:31:24,960 --> 00:31:30,720
Speaker 3: a different industry, more people would have listened. Sex workers

550
00:31:30,760 --> 00:31:33,680
Speaker 3: and glamor models are no less deserving of our care

551
00:31:33,720 --> 00:31:38,600
Speaker 3: than anyone else. They also need respect, boundaries, and understanding.

552
00:31:39,480 --> 00:31:41,320
Speaker 2: In fact, they might need it more.

553
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Speaker 14: People need to realize that just because we're models or

554
00:31:46,960 --> 00:31:49,720
Speaker 14: glamor models, or happy to do topless or nude shoots,

555
00:31:49,800 --> 00:31:52,719
Speaker 14: it doesn't matter any type of photography, that it's not

556
00:31:52,960 --> 00:31:57,120
Speaker 14: a free pass for you to touch us, breathe on us,

557
00:31:57,480 --> 00:31:59,240
Speaker 14: get within an inch of our bodies.

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Speaker 2: I catch up with Herrah one last time too.

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Speaker 18: I'm so grateful that you've listened, and yeah, you took

560
00:32:08,160 --> 00:32:10,040
Speaker 18: it on board, and that you guys have been doing

561
00:32:10,080 --> 00:32:12,080
Speaker 18: so much because.

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Speaker 2: It's not just him.

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Speaker 18: This could open people's eyes up to other photographers. You know,

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Speaker 18: this could have like a ripple effect. People might speak

565
00:32:19,880 --> 00:32:20,800
Speaker 18: out more about it.

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Speaker 2: I hope so.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, the story is always felt important to me,

568
00:32:25,040 --> 00:32:26,760
Speaker 3: and I think people will listen, and I hope it

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00:32:26,760 --> 00:32:34,280
Speaker 3: does change things, and that is what I want from this.

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Speaker 3: This series has always been about the models and for

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Speaker 3: the models, so I'd like to hand over these final

572
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Speaker 3: moments to some of the women at the heart of

573
00:32:41,720 --> 00:32:45,520
Speaker 3: this story who bravely shared their experiences in the hopes

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Speaker 3: that it might make the glamour industry safer for everyone.

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Speaker 2: What would I like to say to Luis.

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Speaker 11: Definitely he opened my eyes to the dark side of

577
00:33:03,000 --> 00:33:06,280
Speaker 11: the industry that I didn't know was a thing really

578
00:33:06,600 --> 00:33:10,720
Speaker 11: until then. Thank you for ruining my life at the time,

579
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Speaker 11: but Ressis Shark, you haven't ruined it in the long run.

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Speaker 11: Thanks for making me a stronger person.

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Speaker 18: I actually have nothing. I have nothing to say to him,

582
00:33:22,520 --> 00:33:23,320
Speaker 18: not a single thing.

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Speaker 14: I hope you realize this one day, the negative impact

584
00:33:26,520 --> 00:33:28,760
Speaker 14: that he's having on young women in this industry, and

585
00:33:28,800 --> 00:33:32,360
Speaker 14: hopefully he stops doing it. And if this podcast manages

586
00:33:32,400 --> 00:33:34,480
Speaker 14: to reach him in some way, then I hope he

587
00:33:34,480 --> 00:33:36,440
Speaker 14: takes it all on board, and I hope he is

588
00:33:36,480 --> 00:33:40,080
Speaker 14: apologetic and remorseful for everything that he's put everyone through.

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Speaker 11: He seems to have got away with too much, so

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00:33:45,440 --> 00:33:47,440
Speaker 11: I hope he's calmer catches up to him soon.

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Speaker 10: I am so grateful.

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00:33:52,360 --> 00:33:54,960
Speaker 14: For all the girls that have come forward and been vulnerable,

593
00:33:55,400 --> 00:33:57,960
Speaker 14: including myself. I'm proud of myself for talking through everything.

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Speaker 10: It's still very vivid to.

595
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Speaker 14: Me, everything that had happened. I could recount the entire

596
00:34:03,760 --> 00:34:06,400
Speaker 14: thing over and either again. It's not something that I've forgotten.

597
00:34:06,400 --> 00:34:09,200
Speaker 14: All that's diminished of gone over the time, and I

598
00:34:09,200 --> 00:34:11,399
Speaker 14: can only think, if that's happened with how I feel,

599
00:34:11,400 --> 00:34:13,200
Speaker 14: then I'm sure it's the same for the other girlies.

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Speaker 10: Knowing that we're all in this together and having a

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00:34:17,320 --> 00:34:21,719
Speaker 10: community of understanding and supporting and helping and lifting each

602
00:34:21,760 --> 00:34:25,520
Speaker 10: other up and growing with each other means the world

603
00:34:25,600 --> 00:34:29,439
Speaker 10: to me. I believe every woman on this planet Earth

604
00:34:29,560 --> 00:34:37,200
Speaker 10: needs embracing, brave, understanding and supportive women around them.

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00:34:37,760 --> 00:34:40,960
Speaker 4: Women support each other and we lean on each other.

606
00:34:41,400 --> 00:34:45,400
Speaker 4: We're our soulmates and we're our cheerleaders. Women supporting women

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00:34:45,600 --> 00:34:47,360
Speaker 4: will actually change the world.

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Speaker 11: What are you up to now?

609
00:34:52,760 --> 00:34:54,680
Speaker 2: So my life has totally changed.

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Speaker 11: I have just been actually blessed with the best gift

611
00:34:58,920 --> 00:35:04,000
Speaker 11: I've ever had and became a mom, and I can't

612
00:35:04,040 --> 00:35:08,000
Speaker 11: wait to just continue loving her protecting her. So right

613
00:35:08,040 --> 00:35:10,760
Speaker 11: now in life, I'm in such a good place.

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Speaker 9: I'm now a videographer and photographer for female content creators

615
00:35:16,760 --> 00:35:21,759
Speaker 9: in the adult industry. I provide that safe space for

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Speaker 9: them that I didn't have back then.

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Speaker 14: I'm going to be walking in Miami Swim Week, which

618
00:35:28,080 --> 00:35:31,080
Speaker 14: is an amazing opportunity. I never thought I would have

619
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Speaker 14: the confidence to do that or be in front of

620
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Speaker 14: photographers and stuff.

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Speaker 10: Again, I am thriving in my life. I'm learning, I'm evolving.

622
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Speaker 14: What do I want people to take away from hearing

623
00:35:44,520 --> 00:35:45,279
Speaker 14: these stories?

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Speaker 10: For people to get a reality check on what the

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00:35:48,600 --> 00:35:50,239
Speaker 10: modeling industry really is.

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Speaker 4: You know, there's a lot of evil and darkness in

627
00:35:52,640 --> 00:35:56,600
Speaker 4: the industry, and that darkness is being brought into the

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00:35:56,680 --> 00:35:58,440
Speaker 4: light and exposed.

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Speaker 11: I got taught to be quiet, keep your mouth shut.

630
00:36:02,960 --> 00:36:05,960
Speaker 11: If you see something, it's you that's going to look

631
00:36:06,000 --> 00:36:06,920
Speaker 11: like the bad person.

632
00:36:07,000 --> 00:36:08,120
Speaker 2: No one's going to believe you.

633
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Speaker 11: And that's what people do to try and keep people silenced.

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00:36:12,920 --> 00:36:16,160
Speaker 11: If anything does, ever, haven't you just know that there

635
00:36:16,200 --> 00:36:18,400
Speaker 11: is people out there and there is support.

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00:36:18,719 --> 00:36:19,520
Speaker 13: Don't think you have.

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00:36:19,520 --> 00:36:21,560
Speaker 11: To do something just to get to where you want

638
00:36:21,560 --> 00:36:23,600
Speaker 11: to be. If it doesn't feel right, listen to your

639
00:36:23,600 --> 00:36:27,160
Speaker 11: heart and don't feel pressured, because the right opportunities are

640
00:36:27,320 --> 00:36:28,800
Speaker 11: always come back around.

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00:36:29,440 --> 00:36:31,440
Speaker 14: I just hope people are a little bit more open minded.

642
00:36:32,080 --> 00:36:34,640
Speaker 14: When you see a model's photo, you wonder, actually, did

643
00:36:34,680 --> 00:36:35,520
Speaker 14: you have a nice time.

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Speaker 2: At that shoot?

645
00:36:36,320 --> 00:36:37,440
Speaker 10: Was she okay at that shoot?

646
00:36:38,120 --> 00:36:38,680
Speaker 12: You never know.

647
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Speaker 14: We are glamor models first and foremost some of us,

648
00:36:42,120 --> 00:36:44,879
Speaker 14: do you only fans? Yes, we do consent to being

649
00:36:45,120 --> 00:36:48,040
Speaker 14: seen nude or in lingerie or scantily clad, and that's

650
00:36:48,080 --> 00:36:49,000
Speaker 14: absolutely fine.

651
00:36:49,239 --> 00:36:51,320
Speaker 4: That doesn't mean that we are deserving.

652
00:36:50,840 --> 00:36:53,520
Speaker 14: Of sexual assault. We are not here to be exploited

653
00:36:53,560 --> 00:36:56,800
Speaker 14: for our content. We are not just objects of sexual desire.

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Speaker 14: We are human beings. We deserve respect the same as

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00:36:59,040 --> 00:37:06,000
Speaker 14: anybody else would. I feel a bit of closure.

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00:37:06,480 --> 00:37:10,160
Speaker 11: I feel like I can finally start closing the doors

657
00:37:10,360 --> 00:37:14,880
Speaker 11: on what happened was and help empower myself to feeling

658
00:37:15,640 --> 00:37:19,960
Speaker 11: like it wasn't my fault. Also feel very empowered that

659
00:37:20,040 --> 00:37:23,160
Speaker 11: the podcast has gone out. This is all ever wanted

660
00:37:23,400 --> 00:37:26,440
Speaker 11: and more for it all to come out and to

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00:37:26,480 --> 00:37:27,360
Speaker 11: spread awareness.

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Speaker 9: If this helps just one person, I'd be happy.

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Speaker 3: We contacted Luis Gomez multiple times for comment, but we

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Speaker 3: never heard back. He has not been charged with any

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Speaker 3: crimes and is presumed innocent under the law. We also

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Speaker 3: saw a comment from Playboy USA. They declined our request

667
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Speaker 3: for an interview, but stay that they asked their licensees

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Speaker 3: to blacklist the photographer mentioned in this series and that

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Speaker 3: to appear in magazines. The Bonnie Trap is produced by Novel.

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Speaker 3: For more from Novel visit novel dot Audio. The show

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Speaker 3: is hosted by me Ellie Flynn. You can find me

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Speaker 3: i E Fly double n. This season is produced by

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Speaker 3: Eleanor Biggs and written by me Ellie Flynn and Eleana Biggs.

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Speaker 3: Our assistant producer is Amalia Sortland, with additional production from

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Speaker 3: Lee Meyer and Saskia Collette. Additional research by Valeria Rocker.

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Speaker 3: The editors are Georgia Moody and Austin Mitchell. Our executive

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Speaker 3: producers are Max O'Brien and Craig Strachan. Our fact checker

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Speaker 3: is Fendall Fulton. Production management from Scherie Houston and Charlotte Wolf.

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Speaker 3: Sound design, mixing and scoring by Daniel Kempt and Nicholas Alexander.

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Speaker 3: Music supervision by Nicholas Alexander, Elena Biggs and Max O'Brien.

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Speaker 3: Original music composed and performed by Jake Long, and additional

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Speaker 3: production by Nicholas Alexander, Louisa Gerstein, and Daniel Kempson. The

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Speaker 3: series artwork was designed by Christina Limcole. Willard Foxtons, Creative

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Speaker 3: Director of Development. Izzy was played by Flora and Claire.

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Speaker 3: Luis Gomeres was played by Juan Solari. Special thanks to

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Speaker 3: the following people to Colleague's past and present who have

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Speaker 3: helped bring this story to life. Anna Sinfield, Joe Wheeler,

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Speaker 3: Jakob Tirevich, David Waters, Naomi Clark, Laura Zailli, Robbie mckinnis,

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Speaker 3: Frankie Nichols, Julia Bromberg, Harry Cook, Mice, Lee Raw, Tom Wright,

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Speaker 3: Sasha Baker, John Joe Devlin, Vanessa Silva, Anna piel Mazzini,

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Speaker 3: and other journalists we've worked with who wished to remain anonymous,

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Speaker 3: to the legal and security teams we've worked with who

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Speaker 3: have helped keep us safe while reporting on this story,

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Speaker 3: as well as our production psychologist, Charlotte Armitage. Finally, telling

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Speaker 3: massive thanks to the women who shared their stories with

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Speaker 3: us and the many anonymous sources who provided invaluable information, help,

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Speaker 3: knowledge and insight. This would not have been possible without you.

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