WEBVTT - Kal Penn Meets World 0:00:20.160 --> 0:00:26.800 Danielle cancer update, my favorite. 0:00:29.560 --> 0:00:31.080 Stop talking about it, Danielle. 0:00:31.400 --> 0:00:33.479 We're done with it. 0:00:32.680 --> 0:00:36.840 No, I just wanted to give everyone an update because 0:00:36.840 --> 0:00:42.680 I've kept you guys all abreast. I've kept you all 0:00:42.920 --> 0:00:45.040 abreast of what's been going on with my breast cancer 0:00:45.080 --> 0:00:52.680 diagnosis and treatment. I am officially done with radiation, which 0:00:52.720 --> 0:00:56.200 means I am officially done with what is considered active 0:00:56.280 --> 0:01:00.160 cancer treatment. Surgeries, chemo, which I did not need to have, 0:01:00.440 --> 0:01:04.480 and radiation are all considered active cancer treatments, and so 0:01:04.520 --> 0:01:06.839 I'm done. I don't have to have any more of those. 0:01:07.000 --> 0:01:12.440 I now will just start to moxifen eventually. My doctors 0:01:12.440 --> 0:01:16.080 wanted me to wait until my body had physically healed 0:01:16.240 --> 0:01:19.920 from the damage that radiation does before they put me 0:01:19.959 --> 0:01:22.280 onto moxiphin because tomxifin I will have some side effects 0:01:22.319 --> 0:01:25.560 from and they didn't want to overload me with negative 0:01:25.600 --> 0:01:26.240 side effects. 0:01:26.640 --> 0:01:29.520 So radiation was. 0:01:30.240 --> 0:01:35.240 Actual time there relatively easy. You don't really do anything, 0:01:35.280 --> 0:01:37.880 you just lay there. It's really short, it's super fast. 0:01:37.920 --> 0:01:41.600 I did fifteen rounds of whole breast radiation and then 0:01:41.760 --> 0:01:46.399 five rounds of targeted radiation, which just means they focus 0:01:46.400 --> 0:01:49.120 in on the very small area where my cancer was 0:01:49.240 --> 0:01:54.000 versus treating the entire breast. It will help significantly lower 0:01:54.040 --> 0:01:57.120 my chances of recurrence, which is always good news. 0:01:57.760 --> 0:02:00.320 But boy, I am feeling. 0:02:00.040 --> 0:02:04.840 The effects I am physically. I have a very bad sunburn. 0:02:05.280 --> 0:02:09.079 I also have a rash on top of the sunburn, 0:02:09.280 --> 0:02:13.639 which is just great. So it's very itchy. And also 0:02:13.880 --> 0:02:16.639 you can't itch it because if you even come close 0:02:16.720 --> 0:02:21.040 to touching it you want to cry. So yeah, hurts to 0:02:21.120 --> 0:02:23.040 wear a bra, hurts to not wear a bra. It's 0:02:23.080 --> 0:02:25.799 just hurts to sleep on my side, hurts to sleep period, 0:02:25.919 --> 0:02:28.760 hurts to be awake. It's just yeah, it hurts to 0:02:28.800 --> 0:02:31.600 live right now. But you know what, it's not gonna 0:02:31.639 --> 0:02:32.160 last forever. 0:02:32.280 --> 0:02:32.800 Physically. 0:02:32.880 --> 0:02:37.280 Every day now, I'm supposed to be getting better, fatigue wise, 0:02:37.600 --> 0:02:42.920 I am really very stinking tired. And I had a 0:02:42.960 --> 0:02:45.160 doctor's appointment yesterday. I had a follow up so they 0:02:45.160 --> 0:02:49.040 could see how I'm healing. And I asked, I'm just 0:02:49.040 --> 0:02:52.639 not used to feeling this tired. I'm so so fatigued, 0:02:52.639 --> 0:02:54.800 and they said, oh, yeah, well, you know it's a 0:02:54.880 --> 0:02:58.280 cumulative effect, so you're only right now starting to feel 0:02:58.280 --> 0:03:01.480 the effects of your first radio And I said, so 0:03:01.680 --> 0:03:04.280 how much longer am I going to feel like this? 0:03:04.360 --> 0:03:06.120 And they're like, you'll feel better in two to three months. 0:03:07.120 --> 0:03:11.560 I'm sorry, what I'm going to feel this tired for 0:03:11.680 --> 0:03:14.519 two to three months and. 0:03:14.360 --> 0:03:16.160 Then get this. 0:03:16.639 --> 0:03:18.640 They told me that if I want to feel better faster, 0:03:19.280 --> 0:03:25.120 I need to work out and drink water those faster. 0:03:25.600 --> 0:03:29.639 I'm sorry, you want me to be tired and take 0:03:29.680 --> 0:03:31.080 care of myself. 0:03:32.120 --> 0:03:34.120 But just unbelievable. 0:03:34.240 --> 0:03:37.760 So I guess I'll try to drink more than twelve 0:03:37.840 --> 0:03:41.440 ounces of water today, which is my normal intakeout. 0:03:42.120 --> 0:03:43.600 That is that is not good? 0:03:43.800 --> 0:03:46.640 Yeah, but I did start working out. I worked out yesterday. 0:03:46.880 --> 0:03:49.000 I'm going to work out again on Friday, because he 0:03:49.040 --> 0:03:52.160 said all the working out and drinking water helps my 0:03:52.240 --> 0:03:55.240 body get rid of all the damage that the radiation did. 0:03:56.080 --> 0:03:59.680 So anyway, I'm. 0:03:59.200 --> 0:04:00.320 Have you found the best or me? 0:04:00.400 --> 0:04:03.800 App No? Is that is that the calisenics thing you do? 0:04:04.280 --> 0:04:06.240 The calisthenics thing I do every day and Susan and 0:04:06.280 --> 0:04:09.560 I do it together and it's like fifteen it starts. 0:04:09.640 --> 0:04:12.160 It's like fifteen minutes a day, Okay, super easy. You 0:04:12.200 --> 0:04:14.800 don't need anything, there's no weights, there's no anything. You 0:04:15.040 --> 0:04:17.120 just they do like a twenty eight day program. Today 0:04:17.160 --> 0:04:20.080 is my last day of doing it, and it's super 0:04:20.480 --> 0:04:21.240 super simple. 0:04:21.560 --> 0:04:24.160 So not an ad Are you saying that for twenty 0:04:24.200 --> 0:04:26.240 eight days I could do to calisthenics and then I'll 0:04:26.320 --> 0:04:26.839 and then that's it. 0:04:27.200 --> 0:04:28.280 That's it is just twenty eight days. 0:04:28.320 --> 0:04:28.560 That's it. 0:04:28.600 --> 0:04:28.960 You're good. 0:04:29.040 --> 0:04:31.680 Well, that's this one regiment. It's not You're not going 0:04:31.720 --> 0:04:33.720 to be miss universe in twenty eight days. But then 0:04:33.720 --> 0:04:34.920 I don't want a good exercise. 0:04:35.520 --> 0:04:37.479 It gets me to miss universe in twenty eight days. 0:04:38.560 --> 0:04:41.320 Some random kind of drugs I would imagine. 0:04:41.560 --> 0:04:42.360 Yeah, you're right. 0:04:42.400 --> 0:04:42.560 Yeah. 0:04:42.800 --> 0:04:47.200 The drinking water thing is key. Yeah, And it's also 0:04:47.279 --> 0:04:50.720 I so I heard we will beep. But I about 0:04:50.760 --> 0:04:54.400 a month ago just heard my wife in the kitchen 0:04:54.600 --> 0:05:00.680 say to herself, okay, in like just this voice, maybe 0:05:00.720 --> 0:05:03.080 try drinking some more water, you stupid. 0:05:05.440 --> 0:05:07.599 And I walked in, like who are you talking to? 0:05:07.960 --> 0:05:09.560 And she's like, oh, that was for me, And I 0:05:09.600 --> 0:05:11.680 was like, can we not talk to my wife like that? 0:05:11.680 --> 0:05:15.000 That's that's really really under on her behalf. 0:05:15.120 --> 0:05:17.039 Yes, but she does the same thing where she's like 0:05:17.160 --> 0:05:19.600 and then what she'll remember to do it at nine 0:05:19.680 --> 0:05:22.720 thirty when what happens, and then she has to peet 0:05:22.839 --> 0:05:23.640 nine times in the night. 0:05:23.640 --> 0:05:24.599 It's you got to see. 0:05:24.440 --> 0:05:26.839 Those water bottles that like track how much you're supposed 0:05:26.839 --> 0:05:28.520 to drink, like when you're moving drink. 0:05:29.000 --> 0:05:31.479 Yes, yes, I actually I own one of those. Do 0:05:31.560 --> 0:05:32.000 I use it? 0:05:32.040 --> 0:05:36.680 Of course not, but yeah I don't. I'm not thirsty 0:05:37.120 --> 0:05:40.279 ever all day until right before I get into bed, 0:05:40.360 --> 0:05:43.159 and then suddenly I'm very parched. I have to drink 0:05:43.200 --> 0:05:46.160 thirty six ounces of water immediately. 0:05:45.520 --> 0:05:49.560 And it tastes incredible good. Why does a water taste 0:05:49.600 --> 0:05:50.280 like that at noon? 0:05:50.640 --> 0:05:53.160 At no at nine thirty ten o'clock at night, you're 0:05:53.240 --> 0:05:55.800 in bed, all tucked and warm. It is the greatest 0:05:55.839 --> 0:05:57.760 tasting thing in the world, is chugging water. 0:05:57.800 --> 0:05:59.240 And it's like, well them, I'm up in an hour. 0:05:59.320 --> 0:06:00.000 That was stupid. 0:06:00.200 --> 0:06:00.440 I know. 0:06:00.800 --> 0:06:02.400 Sometimes when alth there wakes me up to pe in 0:06:02.400 --> 0:06:04.160 the middle of the night, I'm really happy because I'm like, 0:06:04.240 --> 0:06:06.000 I also needed to go and I was. 0:06:06.080 --> 0:06:07.800 Gonna be too lazy to get out of bed. 0:06:07.839 --> 0:06:10.520 But now that I'm here helping you, I'll just And 0:06:10.600 --> 0:06:12.160 for those wondering why I have to help my five 0:06:12.200 --> 0:06:14.560 year old p it' said he doesn't have a doesn't 0:06:14.600 --> 0:06:17.040 have a bathroom in his room, and so he and 0:06:17.160 --> 0:06:19.479 it's very dark and lonely in the house with a 0:06:19.560 --> 0:06:20.920 mommy helping you to the bathroom. 0:06:21.000 --> 0:06:22.640 Can I make a suggestion, just so he knows what 0:06:22.680 --> 0:06:24.359 he does to you at night? I say, tonight you 0:06:24.400 --> 0:06:26.440 wake up to pee, start yelling his name. 0:06:27.320 --> 0:06:31.919 Put the monitor in his room. 0:06:30.480 --> 0:06:31.960 So he has to come and help you go to 0:06:32.000 --> 0:06:33.800 the bathroom. And then at the end, just be like, 0:06:34.160 --> 0:06:35.279 see this is what it's like. 0:06:35.320 --> 0:06:37.480 Do you like it? He'd probably love it. He'd be thrilled. 0:06:38.360 --> 0:06:42.240 Yeah, and he'd be awake exactly. This is why I'm 0:06:42.279 --> 0:06:44.159 not a parent, one of the many reasons. Just put 0:06:44.160 --> 0:06:44.680 it on the list. 0:06:45.839 --> 0:06:46.960 Welcome to Pond Meets World. 0:06:47.000 --> 0:06:50.279 I'm Danielle Fischel, I'm right or Strong, and I'm Wilfordell. 0:07:02.600 --> 0:07:05.040 During our rewatch, we have had a lot of fun 0:07:05.120 --> 0:07:08.360 pointing out some of our favorite Boy Meets World background actors, 0:07:08.640 --> 0:07:11.440 from Dusty Tasie Me to the guy we can't find 0:07:11.440 --> 0:07:14.880 who looks like writer. Some of our fondest memories have 0:07:14.960 --> 0:07:17.760 been reminiscing about the fun times we had with actors 0:07:17.800 --> 0:07:20.120 and actresses you may not have known by name, but 0:07:20.160 --> 0:07:23.360 were around all the time. Actually, one of the most 0:07:23.360 --> 0:07:25.640 fun episodes of this podcast was when we got to 0:07:25.680 --> 0:07:28.960 reunite with and talked to a handful of these talented 0:07:29.000 --> 0:07:31.480 people and heard all about taping Boy Meets World from 0:07:31.520 --> 0:07:35.320 a totally different perspective. So imagine our surprise when we 0:07:35.360 --> 0:07:38.760 found out thirty years later that one of our background 0:07:38.840 --> 0:07:42.320 actors in the season four ROMP Quiz Show would go 0:07:42.400 --> 0:07:46.200 on to become one of Hollywood's most beloved TV and 0:07:46.320 --> 0:07:50.200 movie stars. Well, at first we didn't believe it. Then 0:07:50.320 --> 0:07:53.880 we recapped the episode and yep, there he was front 0:07:53.920 --> 0:07:57.400 and center. We were looking at a very young Cal Pen. 0:07:57.960 --> 0:08:01.160 You know, Cal from an unlimited number of bursting into 0:08:01.160 --> 0:08:03.840 mainstream success in two thousand and four as Kumar in 0:08:03.880 --> 0:08:07.520 the Harold and Kumar franchise, then appearing on shows like House, 0:08:07.600 --> 0:08:10.000 How I'm at Your Mother and the Santa Clauses, with 0:08:10.120 --> 0:08:13.080 movies like Smile and Van Wilder. He'd take a two 0:08:13.120 --> 0:08:15.400 year sabbatical from acting in two thousand and nine to 0:08:15.480 --> 0:08:19.200 serve in the Obama administration as an Associate director of 0:08:19.240 --> 0:08:22.800 the White House Office of Public Engagement. That's about the 0:08:22.800 --> 0:08:25.440 same time I was gift wrapping at a Bloomingdale's for 0:08:25.520 --> 0:08:28.040 Fun and hosting a clip show on the Style Network. 0:08:28.160 --> 0:08:33.160 So we've had similar journeys. This week, we are. 0:08:33.120 --> 0:08:36.240 Honored to talk to the most successful background actor in 0:08:36.280 --> 0:08:39.640 boy Meets World history, someone whose resume we will now 0:08:39.720 --> 0:08:42.920 take all the credit for. Welcome to Pod Meets World, 0:08:43.160 --> 0:08:50.560 our co star Cal Penn Good. Oh my gosh, I 0:08:50.600 --> 0:08:54.480 am so excited. I'm so excited that we've made this happen. 0:08:54.800 --> 0:08:56.760 Oh my, thank you, Thank you for having me. 0:08:57.160 --> 0:08:58.680 Oh my gosh, thank you for being here. 0:08:58.720 --> 0:09:02.840 I can only imagine that over the years, your door 0:09:02.920 --> 0:09:06.640 has practically been kicked in by people asking you about 0:09:06.679 --> 0:09:09.480 your time on Boyme's World. So the fact that you 0:09:09.840 --> 0:09:11.800 waited to talk about it to be with us really 0:09:11.840 --> 0:09:12.880 means a lot. 0:09:13.400 --> 0:09:15.920 You know, people do ask about it a lot, which 0:09:16.040 --> 0:09:18.520 applies to be And so when I when I saw 0:09:18.559 --> 0:09:20.520 this email, and I know we have mutual friends that 0:09:20.559 --> 0:09:23.640 sort of connected us, I was like, yes, absolutely love 0:09:23.760 --> 0:09:26.920 to come on this podcast. It's like, obviously it was 0:09:26.920 --> 0:09:28.960 an eternity ago, and it was like right when I 0:09:29.000 --> 0:09:30.880 had moved to La but I had such a great 0:09:30.920 --> 0:09:34.400 time that this was like very exciting. 0:09:34.679 --> 0:09:37.200 Okay, well, I want to get to all of all 0:09:37.240 --> 0:09:39.120 of that, and I'm really happy to hear that you 0:09:39.200 --> 0:09:41.920 had such a good time. But before we do talk 0:09:41.960 --> 0:09:44.079 about that, where you moved to LA. 0:09:44.200 --> 0:09:46.320 How old were you? You were you lived and you 0:09:46.320 --> 0:09:47.280 were born in New Jersey. 0:09:47.720 --> 0:09:50.160 Yeah, I was born in New Jersey. I got into 0:09:50.240 --> 0:09:53.640 UCLA at their theater and Film school, and so I 0:09:53.720 --> 0:09:56.199 moved at eighteen. I graduated high school and moved across 0:09:56.240 --> 0:09:58.160 the country. It was one of those classically didn't know 0:09:58.200 --> 0:10:03.240 anybody in entertainment or in ol and I sort of thought, 0:10:03.280 --> 0:10:05.440 like I wanted to do more film and TV. I 0:10:05.440 --> 0:10:07.439 had some somewhat of a theater background. I went to 0:10:07.480 --> 0:10:09.800 a performing arts high school outside of New York City, 0:10:10.679 --> 0:10:12.480 and so I just like I moved to LA and 0:10:12.800 --> 0:10:14.800 u c l A is a great program, but it's 0:10:15.000 --> 0:10:18.560 very theater focused, which I didn't realize. What most students 0:10:18.600 --> 0:10:21.280 would do is they would kind of either audition outside 0:10:21.280 --> 0:10:23.720 of the classroom or they would work. Like there were 0:10:23.760 --> 0:10:25.959 a lot of obviously working actors. It was. It was LA, 0:10:26.080 --> 0:10:28.400 So people would be in school and then just go 0:10:28.440 --> 0:10:30.120 off and shoot commercials and stuff. And I'm like, I 0:10:30.120 --> 0:10:32.520 don't know how to do any of this. I do, 0:10:32.640 --> 0:10:34.520 and so that was that was just being a team 0:10:34.559 --> 0:10:36.760 and being out in La Also, I had not a 0:10:36.880 --> 0:10:41.400 car for like the first three years, like. 0:10:41.360 --> 0:10:44.000 Walking the three blocks of Westwood and that's it. 0:10:44.960 --> 0:10:47.920 And it was like you could get like I remember 0:10:48.080 --> 0:10:51.640 trying to go to I got some internship my sophomore 0:10:51.720 --> 0:10:54.920 year in Burbank at I think it was Lucasfilm, so 0:10:55.040 --> 0:10:58.920 like really love it. Yeah, And it took me two 0:10:59.000 --> 0:11:02.720 hours on the bus from Westwood to Burbank. And on 0:11:02.760 --> 0:11:05.720 the third day I was like, yeah, I can't do this. 0:11:05.840 --> 0:11:08.480 I'm not there's no time to study. It's like it's 0:11:08.600 --> 0:11:09.600 dark when you go home. 0:11:09.920 --> 0:11:10.120 Right. 0:11:10.800 --> 0:11:12.760 I didn't a laptop. It's not like I could like 0:11:12.840 --> 0:11:14.760 do papers on the Boss or something. 0:11:15.400 --> 0:11:16.439 Oh my gosh. 0:11:16.559 --> 0:11:18.720 Yeah. Anyway, those are the days. 0:11:18.559 --> 0:11:20.800 You just ate a lot of Dede Reese cookies. That's 0:11:20.800 --> 0:11:22.400 what you had for dinner most nights. 0:11:22.679 --> 0:11:25.520 Yeah, Ady rees whatever. That sandwich shop that's probably four 0:11:25.559 --> 0:11:27.959 dollars now that used to be a book fifty Oh man. 0:11:28.960 --> 0:11:32.560 I'm okay. 0:11:32.640 --> 0:11:35.319 So we want to talk about your experiences on the show, 0:11:35.520 --> 0:11:38.280 but I do also first want to give a shout 0:11:38.320 --> 0:11:42.040 out to a Twitter user I refuse to call it 0:11:42.240 --> 0:11:46.640 X at work with TJ who somehow spotted you because 0:11:46.679 --> 0:11:48.960 a few years ago this was exposed on Twitter that 0:11:49.000 --> 0:11:51.400 you were a background actor on Boy Meets World and 0:11:51.720 --> 0:11:56.360 we had absolutely no idea. Now, did anyone do you 0:11:56.480 --> 0:11:58.280 keep in touch with anyone from the show? 0:11:58.360 --> 0:12:00.360 Did you meet anybody? Did anybody like? 0:12:01.280 --> 0:12:03.280 None of us knew that you were ever on the show, 0:12:03.320 --> 0:12:04.120 which is amazing. 0:12:04.559 --> 0:12:07.800 So I was an extra a few times, okay, And 0:12:07.840 --> 0:12:11.079 I think that's the only one that's like noticeable. I 0:12:11.200 --> 0:12:12.760 didn't know. I didn't keep in touch with anyone. I 0:12:12.800 --> 0:12:14.640 was at UCLA at the time. I would do this 0:12:14.760 --> 0:12:18.200 on my on my days off, mostly because I had 0:12:18.240 --> 0:12:22.520 never been on a real set before, and so everybody 0:12:22.559 --> 0:12:24.160 who I had talked to, and I had plenty of 0:12:24.280 --> 0:12:26.320 friends who were working actors, are like, look, just so 0:12:26.360 --> 0:12:32.200 you know, background work doesn't lead to speaking work. Usually 0:12:32.200 --> 0:12:34.880 they're separate. So as long as you know that that's 0:12:34.920 --> 0:12:38.120 the reality and you're not chasing that path to think 0:12:38.120 --> 0:12:41.240 that you can get a speaking role, it's a great 0:12:41.240 --> 0:12:43.800 way to learn of the TV works and all of that. 0:12:44.040 --> 0:12:47.560 So I started doing it, and you know, there are 0:12:47.880 --> 0:12:50.480 like I love what we do for a living, and 0:12:50.800 --> 0:12:54.160 like entertainment is full of strong personalities. So depending on 0:12:54.200 --> 0:12:57.079 which show you went to, it was either like nightmare, 0:12:57.240 --> 0:13:01.640 I can see why people a real issue with doing 0:13:01.679 --> 0:13:03.200 this type of work. And then you'd also just have 0:13:03.400 --> 0:13:06.520 so much respect for people who are professional background artists. 0:13:06.520 --> 0:13:08.679 And I had a little drama teacher who used to 0:13:08.720 --> 0:13:10.760 tell us that that you know, you'll see when you 0:13:10.800 --> 0:13:12.760 start working there are people who have made their entire 0:13:12.800 --> 0:13:16.440 livelihood out of being background actors, and it's incredible, and 0:13:16.480 --> 0:13:18.439 that their dedication and they know all the rules and 0:13:18.480 --> 0:13:20.520 their union members and the whole thing. So I've met 0:13:20.520 --> 0:13:22.600 a lot of folks like that, and then obviously met 0:13:22.600 --> 0:13:25.080 idiots like me who were like, I don't know, let me. 0:13:25.080 --> 0:13:27.640 See what I can do, right, Well, how did you 0:13:27.720 --> 0:13:28.920 how do you even get jobs? 0:13:29.240 --> 0:13:31.439 Are they? Were they listed in the back of magazines? 0:13:31.520 --> 0:13:32.960 Or like, how do I don't even know how you 0:13:33.000 --> 0:13:33.560 started that? 0:13:33.800 --> 0:13:35.680 There were there were two companies. There were sort of 0:13:35.679 --> 0:13:40.400 sister companies. One was literally called Central Casting if you 0:13:40.480 --> 0:13:44.199 were in the Union, and then that was the background 0:13:44.240 --> 0:13:47.200 acting agency that I think almost every TV show and 0:13:47.240 --> 0:13:50.719 movie used. And then if you were non union, there 0:13:50.760 --> 0:13:54.440 was a company called Senex Casting. Both were based in Burbank. 0:13:54.440 --> 0:13:55.800 I think they were in the same building, and you 0:13:55.840 --> 0:13:59.520 basically went again taking the bus to Burbank. You go 0:13:59.559 --> 0:14:02.960 to Burbank and you you like, pay twenty bucks. It's 0:14:03.000 --> 0:14:05.839 the it's the only time that it's okay to ever 0:14:05.920 --> 0:14:07.920 get it give an agent money when you haven't made 0:14:07.920 --> 0:14:13.320 anything right, right, uh, And they list you in this 0:14:13.440 --> 0:14:15.439 database and then this was you know, this is pre 0:14:15.960 --> 0:14:19.320 uh not pre Internet, but pre like functional Internet. And 0:14:19.360 --> 0:14:23.440 there's a number every day that was updated so many times, 0:14:23.440 --> 0:14:25.240 and you would call in and if you fit any 0:14:25.280 --> 0:14:28.080 of the listings, you would like press another number and 0:14:28.080 --> 0:14:30.320 it would connect you to the agent who was booking 0:14:30.360 --> 0:14:30.880 the background. 0:14:31.800 --> 0:14:34.000 It's like jury duty, totally. 0:14:35.520 --> 0:14:37.320 Very similar. And they would have your picture right so 0:14:37.360 --> 0:14:39.200 they could pull it up and tell you if they 0:14:39.200 --> 0:14:41.480 thought you were the right look or not. And if 0:14:41.520 --> 0:14:44.040 you were, then they would either I guess they would 0:14:44.080 --> 0:14:46.240 email you or tell you exactly where you needed to 0:14:46.280 --> 0:14:50.320 go on which date. And uh so I don't so no, 0:14:50.360 --> 0:14:52.960 I didn't keep in touch, you know, with it. There's 0:14:52.960 --> 0:14:57.160 always a line to write where you I mean, I 0:14:57.800 --> 0:15:00.400 guess I know both sides of this now, but like you, 0:15:00.160 --> 0:15:03.000 you kind of like leave the crew alone so they 0:15:03.000 --> 0:15:05.400 can work, especially if you're a background artist, your job 0:15:05.400 --> 0:15:07.680 doesn't really kick until later, and then you don't want 0:15:07.680 --> 0:15:09.920 to bother any of the any of the actors who 0:15:09.920 --> 0:15:12.640 have speaking roles because they're also prepping for stuff. But 0:15:12.840 --> 0:15:17.320 I will say we did all interact several times. 0:15:17.640 --> 0:15:19.920 Great, please tell us the story. 0:15:20.480 --> 0:15:25.640 We're just great with the background artists. And I think 0:15:25.680 --> 0:15:28.080 part of that was, like, you know, I'm not even 0:15:28.120 --> 0:15:30.880 gonna I've done other I had done other shows, and 0:15:30.920 --> 0:15:33.280 I was an extra on other shows, and I was 0:15:33.360 --> 0:15:34.960 I was about to say, I think it's probably maybe 0:15:34.960 --> 0:15:37.800 because we were all roughly the same age that you 0:15:37.800 --> 0:15:39.360 guys were so nice, But I don't think that's the 0:15:39.360 --> 0:15:41.120 case because I had done other shows. But that definitely 0:15:41.160 --> 0:15:41.760 was not the case. 0:15:41.800 --> 0:15:43.920 You know, what other shows have you worked? I can't 0:15:43.920 --> 0:15:46.120 believe this. I cannot believe. This is just the cool, 0:15:46.600 --> 0:15:47.800 just the coolest thing to me. 0:15:48.000 --> 0:15:51.360 Ever, what other what other shows have you And first 0:15:51.400 --> 0:15:53.000 of all, I need to know also Boy Meets World, 0:15:53.040 --> 0:15:54.800 what other episodes of Boy Meets World were you. 0:15:54.800 --> 0:15:55.920 And we see very featured. 0:15:56.800 --> 0:15:59.480 I honestly don't remember quiz shows that I actually was 0:15:59.520 --> 0:16:03.640 like visit on on screen. There were probably two others. Okay, 0:16:04.560 --> 0:16:07.520 I also did let's see Clueless, Remember the Clueless TV show? 0:16:07.640 --> 0:16:09.440 Of course, Yeah, so they. 0:16:09.320 --> 0:16:15.200 Were also super nice, except the the hours were crazy 0:16:15.480 --> 0:16:17.840 on that show. That was like, they would keep you 0:16:17.840 --> 0:16:19.040 for eighteen and a half. 0:16:18.880 --> 0:16:21.080 Hours, Oh because a single. 0:16:20.800 --> 0:16:23.400 Camera something absurd like that. You're like, I feel like 0:16:23.440 --> 0:16:23.920 this is not. 0:16:25.880 --> 0:16:26.200 Legal. 0:16:26.480 --> 0:16:28.920 Also, I kind of like, you know, I would never 0:16:29.000 --> 0:16:32.680 get to see eighteen hours of production up close at 0:16:32.760 --> 0:16:34.880 you know, you know, when I'm trying to trying to 0:16:34.920 --> 0:16:36.400 break into this industry. So I thought it was I 0:16:36.440 --> 0:16:38.920 thought it was super interesting, but but it was I 0:16:38.960 --> 0:16:41.840 remember remember Clueless being very cold and they didn't feed you. 0:16:42.240 --> 0:16:45.120 Oh my gosh, long day's cold and you don't get 0:16:45.120 --> 0:16:46.600 to eat It sounds on my nightmare. 0:16:48.720 --> 0:16:52.040 What else I did? Actually I did. I did a 0:16:52.040 --> 0:16:55.280 few episodes of Sabrina the Teenage Witch. The caw was 0:16:55.320 --> 0:17:00.320 really nice, the producers were awful, and I remember very clearly, 0:17:00.320 --> 0:17:02.520 and I feel comfortable saying that because I had I 0:17:02.560 --> 0:17:05.840 had a speaking gig on that show. Unrelated, actually there 0:17:05.920 --> 0:17:10.440 was a Yeah, I'd done a bunch of background work 0:17:10.480 --> 0:17:12.840 on Sabrina the Teenage Witch. And then it must have 0:17:12.880 --> 0:17:15.000 been two years later when I finally got an agent 0:17:15.560 --> 0:17:17.720 who by the way, you guys probably know her, do 0:17:17.720 --> 0:17:21.800 you know Barbara Cameron? Of course, she was my first agent. 0:17:22.600 --> 0:17:24.440 That's unbelievable. Candice Cameron's mom. 0:17:24.680 --> 0:17:29.480 Yes, okay, okay, sweetest woman. Like she literally the only 0:17:29.560 --> 0:17:31.840 agent in three and a half years of submitting my 0:17:31.880 --> 0:17:35.439 headshot every single week, the only person who called. And 0:17:35.480 --> 0:17:39.399 I remember walking into her office. Her office was like 0:17:39.440 --> 0:17:40.359 in the back of her house. 0:17:40.600 --> 0:17:42.760 Yeah, okay, in West. 0:17:42.600 --> 0:17:45.320 Hills, And I had borrowed a car from somebody in 0:17:45.359 --> 0:17:47.840 my dorm and I drove out there and I'm looking 0:17:47.840 --> 0:17:52.160 at the address on like the Thomas Guide print tip 0:17:52.200 --> 0:17:53.880 map that I have for my compier, and I'm looking 0:17:53.880 --> 0:17:56.320 at this house and I was like, this is poor. 0:17:56.760 --> 0:17:58.960 This is what this is, This is not this is 0:17:59.000 --> 0:17:59.480 there's no. 0:17:59.440 --> 0:18:00.679 Way this is a real agent. 0:18:01.400 --> 0:18:04.680 Like this is I'm gonna be taken away by the circus. 0:18:04.720 --> 0:18:05.720 This is what's gonna happen. 0:18:07.080 --> 0:18:10.400 There's something. And then I go in and it's all 0:18:10.480 --> 0:18:13.160 pictures of Kirkan Candice and full house and growing off 0:18:13.560 --> 0:18:15.800 and I was like, okay, this is the opposite of porn, 0:18:16.119 --> 0:18:21.600 right what And then I'm like wait, wait Cameron, Oh 0:18:21.720 --> 0:18:23.720 no way, that's so cool. Right, and then she was 0:18:23.800 --> 0:18:26.760 very sweet and anyway, so she you know, this was 0:18:26.800 --> 0:18:29.400 then two years after I'd done background work on on Sabrina. 0:18:29.480 --> 0:18:31.919 She called and she said, you have this great audition 0:18:31.960 --> 0:18:35.440 for you. And there was a thing in the breakdown 0:18:35.520 --> 0:18:38.320 that said, please make sure that that none of the 0:18:38.359 --> 0:18:43.120 actors you're submitting have ever done background work. So I 0:18:43.200 --> 0:18:45.000 lied to her and I said, no, of course I've 0:18:45.040 --> 0:18:45.919 never done anything. 0:18:46.640 --> 0:18:50.080 That's okay, that's okay, just you know, you want the job. 0:18:50.119 --> 0:18:53.240 It's like, how about these I lied about playing basketball 0:18:53.240 --> 0:18:54.560 so that I could get my SAG card in a 0:18:54.640 --> 0:18:56.440 Nike commercial, like you kind of do what yea? 0:18:56.760 --> 0:19:00.199 My special skills still say, horseback riding. So yeah, never 0:19:00.240 --> 0:19:01.680 been Yeah. 0:19:03.040 --> 0:19:04.439 To the stay, I was like, I mean, if I 0:19:04.440 --> 0:19:06.960 have a month to learn anything, I can just figure 0:19:07.000 --> 0:19:09.840 it out. Yeah. So I got the speaking role in Sabrina. 0:19:09.880 --> 0:19:12.880 They were they were kind of awful even to kind 0:19:12.880 --> 0:19:14.680 of the the actors that have the underfund. 0:19:14.720 --> 0:19:15.720 No, why do you. 0:19:15.720 --> 0:19:18.400 Think they didn't want someone who had ever done. 0:19:18.200 --> 0:19:21.199 Background work because you would have been another student in 0:19:21.280 --> 0:19:23.000