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Speaker 1: Danielle cancer update, my favorite.

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Speaker 2: Stop talking about it, Danielle.

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Speaker 3: We're done with it.

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Speaker 1: No, I just wanted to give everyone an update because

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Speaker 1: I've kept you guys all abreast. I've kept you all

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Speaker 1: abreast of what's been going on with my breast cancer

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Speaker 1: diagnosis and treatment. I am officially done with radiation, which

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Speaker 1: means I am officially done with what is considered active

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Speaker 1: I'm done. I don't have to have any more of those.

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Speaker 1: I now will just start to moxifen eventually. My doctors

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Speaker 2: So radiation was.

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Speaker 1: Actual time there relatively easy. You don't really do anything,

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Speaker 1: I did fifteen rounds of whole breast radiation and then

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Speaker 1: versus treating the entire breast. It will help significantly lower

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Speaker 1: my chances of recurrence, which is always good news.

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Speaker 2: But boy, I am feeling.

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Speaker 1: The effects I am physically. I have a very bad sunburn.

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Speaker 2: Physically.

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Speaker 1: Every day now, I'm supposed to be getting better, fatigue wise,

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Speaker 1: And they're like, you'll feel better in two to three months.

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Speaker 1: I'm sorry, what I'm going to feel this tired for

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Speaker 2: Then get this.

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Speaker 1: They told me that if I want to feel better faster,

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Speaker 1: I'm sorry, you want me to be tired and take

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Speaker 2: But just unbelievable.

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Speaker 1: So I guess I'll try to drink more than twelve

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Speaker 3: That is that is not good?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but I did start working out. I worked out yesterday.

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Speaker 1: I'm going to work out again on Friday, because he

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Speaker 3: Have you found the best or me?

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Speaker 2: App No? Is that is that the calisenics thing you do?

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Speaker 4: The calisthenics thing I do every day and Susan and

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Speaker 4: I do it together and it's like fifteen it starts.

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Speaker 4: It's like fifteen minutes a day, Okay, super easy. You

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Speaker 1: So not an ad Are you saying that for twenty

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Speaker 1: and then that's it.

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Speaker 2: That's it is just twenty eight days.

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Speaker 3: That's it.

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Speaker 4: Well, that's this one regiment. It's not You're not going

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Speaker 2: It gets me to miss universe in twenty eight days.

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Speaker 4: Some random kind of drugs I would imagine.

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Speaker 4: I so I heard we will beep. But I about

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Speaker 4: Yes, but she does the same thing where she's like

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Speaker 3: And it's like, well them, I'm up in an hour.

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Speaker 1: But now that I'm here helping you, I'll just And

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Speaker 2: Do you like it? He'd probably love it. He'd be thrilled.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and he'd be awake exactly. This is why I'm

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Speaker 2: Welcome to Pond Meets World.

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Speaker 3: I'm Danielle Fischel, I'm right or Strong, and I'm Wilfordell.

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Speaker 1: During our rewatch, we have had a lot of fun

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Speaker 1: pointing out some of our favorite Boy Meets World background actors,

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Speaker 1: from Dusty Tasie Me to the guy we can't find

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Speaker 1: people and heard all about taping Boy Meets World from

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Speaker 1: a totally different perspective. So imagine our surprise when we

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Speaker 1: found out thirty years later that one of our background

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Speaker 1: we recapped the episode and yep, there he was front

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Speaker 1: and center. We were looking at a very young Cal Pen.

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Speaker 1: You know, Cal from an unlimited number of bursting into

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Speaker 1: year sabbatical from acting in two thousand and nine to

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Speaker 1: same time I was gift wrapping at a Bloomingdale's for

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Speaker 1: Fun and hosting a clip show on the Style Network.

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Speaker 2: So we've had similar journeys. This week, we are.

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Speaker 1: Honored to talk to the most successful background actor in

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Speaker 1: boy Meets World history, someone whose resume we will now

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Speaker 1: our co star Cal Penn Good. Oh my gosh, I

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Speaker 5: Oh my, thank you, Thank you for having me.

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Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, thank you for being here.

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Speaker 1: I can only imagine that over the years, your door

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Speaker 2: You know, what other shows have you worked? I can't

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Speaker 5: Also, I kind of like, you know, I would never

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Speaker 5: What else I did? Actually I did. I did a

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Speaker 5: few episodes of Sabrina the Teenage Witch. The caw was

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Speaker 5: Yes, okay, okay, sweetest woman. Like she literally the only

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Speaker 5: It's like, how about these I lied about playing basketball

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Speaker 3: No, why do you.

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Speaker 5: The crew was wonderful. I can't remember who must have

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Speaker 2: Okay, that's so great.

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Speaker 5: By the time I had done Boy Means World, I'd

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00:21:14,400 --> 00:21:17,400
Speaker 5: done other background stints, and you know, you never you

444
00:21:17,440 --> 00:21:20,399
Speaker 5: never see the shot that you're like supposedly in. So

445
00:21:20,400 --> 00:21:22,840
Speaker 5: there were probably five other times I would say to

446
00:21:22,920 --> 00:21:25,440
Speaker 5: like guys in my dorm, like, so tonight I'm gonna

447
00:21:25,440 --> 00:21:31,360
Speaker 5: be on this and nothing obviously no, So I don't

448
00:21:31,400 --> 00:21:33,880
Speaker 5: think I told anybody until after it aired, and then

449
00:21:34,080 --> 00:21:36,439
Speaker 5: you know, I had obviously taped it on VHS and

450
00:21:36,520 --> 00:21:37,679
Speaker 5: was like, okay, look.

451
00:21:38,160 --> 00:21:40,480
Speaker 2: Were you telling your family back in Jersey too?

452
00:21:40,960 --> 00:21:43,200
Speaker 5: I did, yeah, yeah, yeah, I did tell them, And

453
00:21:43,240 --> 00:21:45,919
Speaker 5: I remember my mom was very excited and told a

454
00:21:45,960 --> 00:21:49,880
Speaker 5: bunch of her friends. If I'm remembering this right, they

455
00:21:49,960 --> 00:21:53,040
Speaker 5: watched the rerun because the like, I didn't have the

456
00:21:53,040 --> 00:21:56,280
Speaker 5: clout or the confidence to know that I would necessarily

457
00:21:56,320 --> 00:21:59,639
Speaker 5: be right in the like the first.

458
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Speaker 1: Run, so you waited to like watch it yourself, and

459
00:22:02,359 --> 00:22:04,199
Speaker 1: then you saw yourself and you were like, now I'll

460
00:22:04,240 --> 00:22:04,639
Speaker 1: let them know.

461
00:22:05,040 --> 00:22:07,000
Speaker 5: And a couple of years after this, this, this is,

462
00:22:07,040 --> 00:22:09,600
Speaker 5: this is sort of why I was like scarred. H yeah,

463
00:22:09,600 --> 00:22:11,480
Speaker 5: this would have been right after boy me I got

464
00:22:11,480 --> 00:22:15,040
Speaker 5: my first speaking role, which was one line on the

465
00:22:15,080 --> 00:22:19,400
Speaker 5: Steve Harvey Show that he had also playing a nerd.

466
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Speaker 2: By the way, really, yes, okay, you were you were being.

467
00:22:25,640 --> 00:22:29,320
Speaker 5: Come on, that's fine. But also the very mid nineties

468
00:22:29,400 --> 00:22:30,320
Speaker 5: nerd where it's like.

469
00:22:31,440 --> 00:22:32,200
Speaker 2: Of course.

470
00:22:33,800 --> 00:22:37,560
Speaker 8: Right, and that I remember, I knew I was in

471
00:22:37,600 --> 00:22:40,040
Speaker 8: the scene, told everybody had to watch party in my

472
00:22:40,119 --> 00:22:43,199
Speaker 8: dorm and they cut the line, told me they were

473
00:22:43,200 --> 00:22:46,040
Speaker 8: going to cut the line, so it airs, and obviously

474
00:22:46,040 --> 00:22:47,320
Speaker 8: all my friends then leave and.

475
00:22:47,280 --> 00:22:50,159
Speaker 5: My parents are like, why would you like it? I'm

476
00:22:50,200 --> 00:22:52,320
Speaker 5: sorry they knew before because they were on the East coast,

477
00:22:53,119 --> 00:22:54,760
Speaker 5: so and.

478
00:22:54,760 --> 00:22:56,080
Speaker 2: I cancel the party.

479
00:22:56,240 --> 00:23:02,879
Speaker 5: Count I definitely would have canceled it if if if

480
00:23:02,920 --> 00:23:04,879
Speaker 5: my parents have had up and then Barbara. I remember

481
00:23:05,320 --> 00:23:07,800
Speaker 5: calling Barbara and she just picked up and was like,

482
00:23:07,840 --> 00:23:10,840
Speaker 5: I'm sorry, honey, they didn't tell me in advance. I

483
00:23:11,000 --> 00:23:16,440
Speaker 5: just it's all right. But so it's it also makes

484
00:23:16,480 --> 00:23:19,359
Speaker 5: sense why it wasn't until later that I was able

485
00:23:19,359 --> 00:23:21,520
Speaker 5: to a show friends that I was in boy Mets World,

486
00:23:21,920 --> 00:23:24,200
Speaker 5: and then, you know, years later, I was just surprised

487
00:23:24,320 --> 00:23:27,159
Speaker 5: that people found it because I look so different.

488
00:23:27,359 --> 00:23:29,639
Speaker 7: I think, so funny.

489
00:23:30,000 --> 00:23:32,760
Speaker 2: Do you remember? Okay, so shooting Quiz Show, which is

490
00:23:32,840 --> 00:23:36,000
Speaker 2: the episode we mentioned you're pretty heavily featured in, were

491
00:23:36,080 --> 00:23:37,000
Speaker 2: you in?

492
00:23:37,280 --> 00:23:40,320
Speaker 1: Was that audience? So it's quite a romp. It's a

493
00:23:40,359 --> 00:23:44,800
Speaker 1: show within a show. Was the audience that you were

494
00:23:44,840 --> 00:23:48,160
Speaker 1: sitting in? Where was that on set? Relative to where

495
00:23:48,200 --> 00:23:51,120
Speaker 1: we were shooting the quiz the quiz show set?

496
00:23:51,320 --> 00:23:53,520
Speaker 5: So if I remember this right, it was in your

497
00:23:53,560 --> 00:23:57,760
Speaker 5: actual studio audience, Okay, on tape night, so they needed

498
00:23:57,800 --> 00:24:02,000
Speaker 5: the space to like shoot that stuff. So yeah, we

499
00:24:02,080 --> 00:24:04,280
Speaker 5: pre taped that entire scene, so you.

500
00:24:04,280 --> 00:24:07,119
Speaker 1: Were clapping and cheering towards something where the set you

501
00:24:07,119 --> 00:24:08,919
Speaker 1: were it was not even happening in front of you.

502
00:24:09,000 --> 00:24:10,320
Speaker 2: Yeah.

503
00:24:10,520 --> 00:24:14,280
Speaker 4: Yeah, that tracks that totally tracked.

504
00:24:14,680 --> 00:24:15,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, because I don't.

505
00:24:15,400 --> 00:24:16,040
Speaker 5: Remember it at all.

506
00:24:16,119 --> 00:24:21,680
Speaker 4: Right, really good acting, man, Because yeah, I didn't remember

507
00:24:21,760 --> 00:24:24,520
Speaker 4: until we watched the episode that I go up there too.

508
00:24:24,640 --> 00:24:27,720
Speaker 3: Eric's like in the stands and watching the show as well.

509
00:24:27,760 --> 00:24:29,640
Speaker 3: I had no memory of that at all.

510
00:24:29,920 --> 00:24:32,720
Speaker 2: So yeah, it's so funny. Okay, So I want to know.

511
00:24:32,960 --> 00:24:34,760
Speaker 1: You said that you got to interact with us and

512
00:24:34,800 --> 00:24:37,040
Speaker 1: we were all just hanging out. Do you have any

513
00:24:38,119 --> 00:24:41,760
Speaker 1: specific story do you do you have any memories about

514
00:24:42,200 --> 00:24:43,200
Speaker 1: us hanging out talking?

515
00:24:43,200 --> 00:24:44,280
Speaker 2: What did we talk about?

516
00:24:45,320 --> 00:24:47,959
Speaker 5: I don't remember what we talked about, but I remember

517
00:24:48,640 --> 00:24:53,919
Speaker 5: very clearly that it seemed like you guys all really

518
00:24:54,000 --> 00:25:00,399
Speaker 5: a loved this job. Also got along in real life, Yeah,

519
00:25:00,440 --> 00:25:04,000
Speaker 5: which felt really good as a as an aspiring actor,

520
00:25:04,080 --> 00:25:09,040
Speaker 5: because I'm like, Okay, these people are my peers. They

521
00:25:09,160 --> 00:25:11,199
Speaker 5: really do love what they do, and so all of

522
00:25:11,240 --> 00:25:14,080
Speaker 5: the struggle of like, Okay, you've go on these auditions,

523
00:25:14,080 --> 00:25:16,159
Speaker 5: you work odd jobs even when you're in school, you

524
00:25:16,160 --> 00:25:18,439
Speaker 5: save up your gas money, all of that, you're like

525
00:25:19,080 --> 00:25:21,920
Speaker 5: and then this is like, there are good people who

526
00:25:21,960 --> 00:25:24,720
Speaker 5: really like what they do and get to make fun

527
00:25:24,800 --> 00:25:27,199
Speaker 5: things that families can watch together. I just you know,

528
00:25:27,320 --> 00:25:29,040
Speaker 5: I mean, I have the language to describe it now,

529
00:25:29,080 --> 00:25:32,119
Speaker 5: but I just remember that it's the feeling that I had.

530
00:25:32,480 --> 00:25:34,680
Speaker 5: This is really this is really nice and really cool.

531
00:25:34,720 --> 00:25:37,560
Speaker 5: And I think you guys knew so at the time.

532
00:25:37,920 --> 00:25:40,000
Speaker 5: She's still a very close friend genevan Oye.

533
00:25:40,119 --> 00:25:42,520
Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, my ex girlfriend.

534
00:25:42,880 --> 00:25:46,560
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, that's right, that's right. Yeah, yeah, that's right.

535
00:25:47,160 --> 00:25:49,840
Speaker 5: So she she and I met my freshman year of

536
00:25:49,880 --> 00:25:54,359
Speaker 5: college because her roommate was at UCLA with me, and

537
00:25:54,520 --> 00:25:56,919
Speaker 5: he and I were good friends, and so I had

538
00:25:56,960 --> 00:26:01,200
Speaker 5: already had this, like heard this great reputation about you guys,

539
00:26:01,320 --> 00:26:03,160
Speaker 5: because she was like, Oh, they're so great, You're gonna

540
00:26:03,160 --> 00:26:04,920
Speaker 5: have such a great time. I'm glad you're you know,

541
00:26:04,960 --> 00:26:06,800
Speaker 5: I'm glad you're doing that that show. And so that

542
00:26:06,920 --> 00:26:09,240
Speaker 5: was also really nice that that held up, because you

543
00:26:09,280 --> 00:26:13,640
Speaker 5: know a lot of times that there's a somebody professionally

544
00:26:13,760 --> 00:26:16,320
Speaker 5: is maybe different than there personally, and you know, kind

545
00:26:16,359 --> 00:26:17,760
Speaker 5: of is what it is. But that wasn't the case.

546
00:26:17,800 --> 00:26:19,280
Speaker 5: Everything was was that makes me.

547
00:26:19,640 --> 00:26:22,800
Speaker 2: That makes me so happy. I know too, it makes

548
00:26:22,840 --> 00:26:24,800
Speaker 2: me so I was waiting for the like, well, no

549
00:26:24,880 --> 00:26:25,680
Speaker 2: one would talk to me.

550
00:26:27,240 --> 00:26:29,920
Speaker 5: I mean, look, everybody has bad days. I happened to

551
00:26:30,000 --> 00:26:32,960
Speaker 5: not be there for your bad days exactly.

552
00:26:34,880 --> 00:26:36,679
Speaker 3: You were just there for the few good ones we had,

553
00:26:36,720 --> 00:26:37,320
Speaker 3: which is nice.

554
00:26:38,560 --> 00:26:41,280
Speaker 1: No, I've actually been really pleasantly surprised unless we just

555
00:26:41,359 --> 00:26:45,200
Speaker 1: have handpicked really great uh background actors who only say

556
00:26:45,280 --> 00:26:48,040
Speaker 1: nice things about us. We've interviewed quite a few background actors,

557
00:26:48,119 --> 00:26:50,080
Speaker 1: and for the most part, they have the same story

558
00:26:50,200 --> 00:26:52,320
Speaker 1: that like, when we were around each other, we were

559
00:26:52,400 --> 00:26:55,440
Speaker 1: laughing and we were joking, and we were having casual conversation.

560
00:26:55,560 --> 00:26:57,320
Speaker 1: It seemed like we loved what we did. We were

561
00:26:57,359 --> 00:27:00,920
Speaker 1: getting along like that. That's nice because that's are certainly

562
00:27:01,000 --> 00:27:01,639
Speaker 1: our memory.

563
00:27:02,160 --> 00:27:03,720
Speaker 5: It's true, though, like I'll give you, I'll give you

564
00:27:03,760 --> 00:27:07,080
Speaker 5: a contrast. So probably also around that time, or maybe

565
00:27:07,119 --> 00:27:09,560
Speaker 5: it was after I graduated, I had like two lines

566
00:27:09,600 --> 00:27:13,520
Speaker 5: on R And that's another show actually that I had done.

567
00:27:14,080 --> 00:27:15,720
Speaker 5: Had I done the background work? No, maybe I had,

568
00:27:16,600 --> 00:27:18,080
Speaker 5: but I had two lines on the YAR. Obviously I

569
00:27:18,160 --> 00:27:22,480
Speaker 5: was very excited. I was playing like a young I

570
00:27:22,600 --> 00:27:24,640
Speaker 5: must have been a young medical student or something.

571
00:27:24,800 --> 00:27:25,600
Speaker 2: But not a nerd.

572
00:27:26,480 --> 00:27:27,600
Speaker 5: Not a nerd, not a nerd.

573
00:27:29,320 --> 00:27:30,560
Speaker 6: Graduated out of nerdom.

574
00:27:30,920 --> 00:27:35,199
Speaker 5: Yeah, and I remember I was supposed to stitch up

575
00:27:35,760 --> 00:27:39,760
Speaker 5: Eric Lesala's character had a son who like hit his

576
00:27:39,880 --> 00:27:42,920
Speaker 5: head or something, and so I just had to give

577
00:27:43,000 --> 00:27:45,920
Speaker 5: him stitches. And I had two lines and the I

578
00:27:46,080 --> 00:27:48,480
Speaker 5: was very excited, you know, love dr I thought it

579
00:27:48,600 --> 00:27:51,040
Speaker 5: was great, wonderful opportunity. And I show up in the

580
00:27:51,280 --> 00:27:54,800
Speaker 5: director that day. I didn't know if he was having

581
00:27:54,840 --> 00:27:56,400
Speaker 5: a bad day or not, but it was kind of irrelevant.

582
00:27:56,440 --> 00:27:58,640
Speaker 5: He just immediately, like his directing style is to yell

583
00:27:58,640 --> 00:28:01,760
Speaker 5: at you. We did the first thing. And he's like,

584
00:28:01,800 --> 00:28:03,679
Speaker 5: who taught you how to Who taught you how to stitch?

585
00:28:05,960 --> 00:28:08,120
Speaker 5: And I'm like, I don't know what I'm supposed to say,

586
00:28:08,160 --> 00:28:13,000
Speaker 5: because I'm obviously not a doctor, and I years ago

587
00:28:13,040 --> 00:28:14,879
Speaker 5: and I just assumed there would be a consultant who

588
00:28:14,880 --> 00:28:15,480
Speaker 5: would show.

589
00:28:15,320 --> 00:28:17,000
Speaker 7: Me how to do this stitching.

590
00:28:19,760 --> 00:28:22,399
Speaker 5: Would have been happy to meet with the consultant before

591
00:28:22,480 --> 00:28:26,720
Speaker 5: medical stitch, right like, you know. So he just started

592
00:28:26,960 --> 00:28:30,399
Speaker 5: and then apparently my elbow in one take was blocking

593
00:28:30,440 --> 00:28:31,920
Speaker 5: the kid's face and it was just sort of a

594
00:28:32,000 --> 00:28:34,520
Speaker 5: head on shot and I just hear.

595
00:28:34,600 --> 00:28:35,040
Speaker 4: Hey, you.

596
00:28:36,880 --> 00:28:40,480
Speaker 5: Move your elbow. You hello, Hello, I'm talking to you.

597
00:28:41,080 --> 00:28:43,960
Speaker 5: Move your elbow. So I moved my elbow and he goes, yeah,

598
00:28:44,120 --> 00:28:46,200
Speaker 5: you know, people are watching the show for the kid

599
00:28:46,320 --> 00:28:50,520
Speaker 5: not to see you, and I was, God, why do

600
00:28:50,560 --> 00:28:53,800
Speaker 5: you need to talk to somebody that way? Right? Not

601
00:28:54,040 --> 00:28:57,600
Speaker 5: helpful to the process, like don't don't understand what he

602
00:28:57,640 --> 00:29:01,120
Speaker 5: actually wants from me. And so by contrast, I just

603
00:29:01,200 --> 00:29:02,960
Speaker 5: have to say when when people are probably telling you

604
00:29:03,040 --> 00:29:05,600
Speaker 5: guys that you were so nice to background actors and

605
00:29:05,640 --> 00:29:08,160
Speaker 5: to under fives, there's a reason for that that some

606
00:29:08,320 --> 00:29:10,280
Speaker 5: of the other experiences, whether it was something on Sabri

607
00:29:10,360 --> 00:29:12,560
Speaker 5: and The Teenage Witch or you Are, other beloved shows

608
00:29:12,600 --> 00:29:16,000
Speaker 5: were the cast was always wonderful, but I had these

609
00:29:16,320 --> 00:29:20,959
Speaker 5: people in leadership positions who were just awful because they

610
00:29:21,160 --> 00:29:23,720
Speaker 5: could be or you know, I don't have reasons, I

611
00:29:23,880 --> 00:29:28,600
Speaker 5: stressed out or whatever. Contrast, man, really like you really

612
00:29:28,680 --> 00:29:30,320
Speaker 5: saw that when you came to a show like Boy

613
00:29:30,360 --> 00:29:32,840
Speaker 5: Meet's World, it was a really wonderful wow.

614
00:29:33,120 --> 00:29:33,360
Speaker 6: Great.

615
00:29:34,200 --> 00:29:36,560
Speaker 4: So wait, I'm sorry to jump way back, but you

616
00:29:36,640 --> 00:29:39,480
Speaker 4: said you're from New Jersey. So were you going into

617
00:29:39,560 --> 00:29:41,800
Speaker 4: New York for auditions as a kid, like going to

618
00:29:42,440 --> 00:29:43,720
Speaker 4: for commercials and stuff like that.

619
00:29:43,840 --> 00:29:48,280
Speaker 5: I mean no, my parents wouldn't let me. I had

620
00:29:48,360 --> 00:29:50,240
Speaker 5: to wait. This is one of the reasons I think

621
00:29:50,240 --> 00:29:53,400
Speaker 5: I chose U c l A over over n y U.

622
00:29:53,520 --> 00:29:57,960
Speaker 5: I was debating between the tiss the dramas pool here, yeah,

623
00:29:58,320 --> 00:29:59,600
Speaker 5: in New York, and I was like, you know, I

624
00:29:59,720 --> 00:30:03,240
Speaker 5: think I just want to see what like exposure to

625
00:30:03,320 --> 00:30:06,880
Speaker 5: film and TV fully is like. So, no, I I

626
00:30:06,960 --> 00:30:09,200
Speaker 5: went to a performing arts high school. It's still one

627
00:30:09,240 --> 00:30:13,640
Speaker 5: of the few publicly funded arts high schools in the country,

628
00:30:13,680 --> 00:30:15,959
Speaker 5: and so that was obviously a big, a big privilege

629
00:30:15,960 --> 00:30:18,720
Speaker 5: because my parents are immigrants. My dad's an engineer, my

630
00:30:19,240 --> 00:30:23,840
Speaker 5: mom has our masters in chemistry. So no like career

631
00:30:24,000 --> 00:30:26,840
Speaker 5: arts background, right, so very scary for any parent who

632
00:30:26,840 --> 00:30:28,600
Speaker 5: doesn't have an arts background to be like, yeah, you

633
00:30:28,600 --> 00:30:31,200
Speaker 5: should do this, go for it. So I think if

634
00:30:31,240 --> 00:30:34,040
Speaker 5: it weren't for that publicly funded arts program, I maybe

635
00:30:34,080 --> 00:30:36,640
Speaker 5: wouldn't have had even just the tool kid or the

636
00:30:36,800 --> 00:30:39,200
Speaker 5: know how to be like, oh, there's a BFA program here,

637
00:30:39,320 --> 00:30:41,720
Speaker 5: or there's a program at U c l A and

638
00:30:41,840 --> 00:30:43,760
Speaker 5: USC and I can I can apply for it and

639
00:30:43,840 --> 00:30:46,160
Speaker 5: maybe I'm maybe I'm good enough to get in. I

640
00:30:46,200 --> 00:30:49,280
Speaker 5: don't know, you know, But so that was the that

641
00:30:49,400 --> 00:30:52,680
Speaker 5: was kind of the the pre college stuff.

642
00:30:53,200 --> 00:30:55,520
Speaker 4: Man. Yeah, so you did you came out to l

643
00:30:55,600 --> 00:30:57,320
Speaker 4: A cold. I mean when you need cold. It was

644
00:30:57,480 --> 00:31:00,400
Speaker 4: like you didn't even have the audio behind you.

645
00:31:00,480 --> 00:31:03,200
Speaker 3: I mean to LA without a car.

646
00:31:05,000 --> 00:31:08,479
Speaker 5: And at U c l A. There's a parking lottery

647
00:31:08,880 --> 00:31:13,000
Speaker 5: that's really really hard to get, and so I read

648
00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:14,760
Speaker 5: about how hard it was to get a spot in

649
00:31:14,840 --> 00:31:17,200
Speaker 5: the parking lottery, and the end of my freshman year,

650
00:31:18,080 --> 00:31:20,440
Speaker 5: I entered the parking lottery without a car because I

651
00:31:20,560 --> 00:31:22,880
Speaker 5: sort of reasoned, like, if it's this hard to get

652
00:31:22,920 --> 00:31:26,320
Speaker 5: a parking pass, then I'll start entering the parking lottery now.

653
00:31:26,400 --> 00:31:28,160
Speaker 5: That way, by the time I'm able to afford a

654
00:31:28,240 --> 00:31:32,200
Speaker 5: car parking pass, which obviously is not how statistics actually work,

655
00:31:34,520 --> 00:31:38,320
Speaker 5: live for this parking lottery, and I get a parking Yes,

656
00:31:39,400 --> 00:31:41,000
Speaker 5: I didn't have a car. So when I when I

657
00:31:41,080 --> 00:31:43,880
Speaker 5: mentioned earlier that like I borrowed a car from somebody,

658
00:31:44,280 --> 00:31:46,720
Speaker 5: a buddy of mine on my dorm floor, and I

659
00:31:46,840 --> 00:31:49,240
Speaker 5: made an arrangement where I would pay for parking for

660
00:31:49,840 --> 00:31:52,000
Speaker 5: the year and he would let me use his car

661
00:31:52,160 --> 00:31:55,840
Speaker 5: whenever he didn't need it. So smart, he's very smart.

662
00:31:56,520 --> 00:31:56,760
Speaker 8: It did.

663
00:31:56,920 --> 00:31:59,080
Speaker 5: I still couldn't do internships because he needed his car

664
00:31:59,200 --> 00:32:01,360
Speaker 5: more than you know, more than that schedule. But for

665
00:32:01,400 --> 00:32:03,760
Speaker 5: the rare audition or for going to go and to

666
00:32:03,840 --> 00:32:05,080
Speaker 5: an extra gig it came in.

667
00:32:05,200 --> 00:32:08,360
Speaker 3: Really, so did you then did you have to quit

668
00:32:09,000 --> 00:32:11,880
Speaker 3: the job at Lucas Arts to Oh.

669
00:32:12,320 --> 00:32:14,720
Speaker 5: Yeah, just because I couldn't get there and there was

670
00:32:14,840 --> 00:32:17,040
Speaker 5: no because it would have been what a four and

671
00:32:17,080 --> 00:32:20,360
Speaker 5: a half hour round trip. Basically, Oh my gosh, the

672
00:32:20,440 --> 00:32:22,880
Speaker 5: bus didn't make sense. You know. It's honestly, it's one

673
00:32:22,920 --> 00:32:25,920
Speaker 5: of those things. As I got older and was and

674
00:32:26,000 --> 00:32:28,160
Speaker 5: obviously then moved from being a struggling actor to a

675
00:32:28,200 --> 00:32:30,640
Speaker 5: working actor and then having you know, very blessed to

676
00:32:30,680 --> 00:32:34,080
Speaker 5: have the privilege that I have now, it really underscores

677
00:32:34,760 --> 00:32:37,840
Speaker 5: you know, fine, I was an aspiring actor. I elected

678
00:32:37,920 --> 00:32:40,200
Speaker 5: to do that, But what about people who are working

679
00:32:40,240 --> 00:32:42,200
Speaker 5: two or three jobs because they got they got to

680
00:32:42,240 --> 00:32:45,240
Speaker 5: put food on the table. It really was like, you know, okay,

681
00:32:45,360 --> 00:32:48,280
Speaker 5: I'm just a college kid who like wants a film internship.

682
00:32:48,680 --> 00:32:51,680
Speaker 5: But it really underscored for me, like, oh, not to

683
00:32:51,760 --> 00:32:54,240
Speaker 5: make this about like infrastructure. It was like, oh, we

684
00:32:54,280 --> 00:32:56,080
Speaker 5: should invested in buses and public.

685
00:32:55,880 --> 00:32:59,080
Speaker 3: Trans yes, oh, the public transport in la is awful.

686
00:32:59,120 --> 00:33:02,560
Speaker 4: I mean for everybody out there listening, Uh, you know,

687
00:33:02,720 --> 00:33:05,320
Speaker 4: that trip in a car with minimal traffic is what

688
00:33:05,520 --> 00:33:08,280
Speaker 4: thirty five minutes? Yeah, that two hour, two and a

689
00:33:08,280 --> 00:33:10,080
Speaker 4: half hour bus ride is thirty five minutes. So I

690
00:33:10,160 --> 00:33:11,280
Speaker 4: mean that shows what it's like.

691
00:33:11,440 --> 00:33:12,520
Speaker 3: It's yeah, it's crazy.

692
00:33:12,800 --> 00:33:15,160
Speaker 5: Yeah wow, So that was that was also my first

693
00:33:15,680 --> 00:33:18,680
Speaker 5: realization of like, oh yeah, I can't I can't walk

694
00:33:18,720 --> 00:33:20,080
Speaker 5: to my lucasfilm internship.

695
00:33:20,600 --> 00:33:20,800
Speaker 4: Yeah.

696
00:33:33,080 --> 00:33:33,360
Speaker 2: Okay.

697
00:33:33,440 --> 00:33:36,560
Speaker 1: So when you graduate from doing background work and you

698
00:33:36,720 --> 00:33:41,040
Speaker 1: get your first kind of big TV speaking job, is

699
00:33:41,120 --> 00:33:44,480
Speaker 1: that Buffy the Vampire Slayer in nineteen ninety nine.

700
00:33:44,880 --> 00:33:46,520
Speaker 5: I would that's would have I mean it would have

701
00:33:46,560 --> 00:33:48,240
Speaker 5: been it would have been the Steve Harvey Show.

702
00:33:48,240 --> 00:33:50,320
Speaker 2: But they come, okay, but they got your life right exactly.

703
00:33:52,520 --> 00:33:54,400
Speaker 5: But yeah it was. It was Buffy.

704
00:33:55,320 --> 00:33:56,800
Speaker 2: Okay? And what did you play on Buffy?

705
00:33:57,840 --> 00:34:01,640
Speaker 5: So on an episode of Buffy called Beer Bad? I

706
00:34:01,800 --> 00:34:06,520
Speaker 5: played cave Man And I'm gonna say two things about

707
00:34:06,560 --> 00:34:09,239
Speaker 5: this one. I'll just elephant in the room for any

708
00:34:09,360 --> 00:34:13,240
Speaker 5: like hardcore Buffy fans. That episode I think is still

709
00:34:13,360 --> 00:34:20,000
Speaker 5: consistently rated as the worst episode of Layer really, especially

710
00:34:20,080 --> 00:34:22,440
Speaker 5: for super fans, like that was the worst thing I've

711
00:34:22,480 --> 00:34:22,919
Speaker 5: ever seen.

712
00:34:24,280 --> 00:34:27,239
Speaker 2: What's the episode about. It's called beer Bad, call Beer Bad.

713
00:34:27,280 --> 00:34:30,080
Speaker 5: It's about these four prap boys who turn into cavemen

714
00:34:30,280 --> 00:34:33,960
Speaker 5: when they drink beer that's been tainted with this save

715
00:34:34,080 --> 00:34:34,520
Speaker 5: man potion.

716
00:34:36,719 --> 00:34:39,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, that sounds amazing to know what are they talking about?

717
00:34:39,680 --> 00:34:40,880
Speaker 2: I think this sounds great.

718
00:34:41,480 --> 00:34:44,879
Speaker 5: You know what's crazy about about things like that is like, yes, okay,

719
00:34:44,920 --> 00:34:46,560
Speaker 5: looking back on it, it was kitschy and it was

720
00:34:46,600 --> 00:34:49,759
Speaker 5: whatever a really fun. In order to be transformed into

721
00:34:49,800 --> 00:34:51,960
Speaker 5: a caveman. They did a live cast of our Heads.

722
00:34:52,400 --> 00:34:56,080
Speaker 5: Oh cool show up at like they shot that show

723
00:34:56,080 --> 00:34:58,960
Speaker 5: in Santa Monica is actually way closer to UCLA than

724
00:34:59,080 --> 00:35:01,960
Speaker 5: any of the other stuff. And I remember our call

725
00:35:02,080 --> 00:35:06,560
Speaker 5: time was like three in the morning because they had

726
00:35:06,680 --> 00:35:09,440
Speaker 5: five hours of putting the prosthetic face on you.

727
00:35:09,719 --> 00:35:11,240
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh.

728
00:35:11,520 --> 00:35:14,839
Speaker 5: Those faces had like little they would call them them

729
00:35:14,920 --> 00:35:17,239
Speaker 5: air bladders where they would they would pump air in

730
00:35:17,360 --> 00:35:21,360
Speaker 5: to make it. Yeah, we're transforming and just all this crazy,

731
00:35:21,880 --> 00:35:24,200
Speaker 5: these crazy special effects. So you you had these super

732
00:35:24,280 --> 00:35:27,239
Speaker 5: long days. They were paying all sorts of crazy penalties,

733
00:35:27,239 --> 00:35:30,080
Speaker 5: which as a as a young actor just getting started,

734
00:35:30,080 --> 00:35:32,560
Speaker 5: I was like, great, and actually, people, you can't feed

735
00:35:32,640 --> 00:35:34,520
Speaker 5: me because I have this thing on and it was awesome.

736
00:35:36,160 --> 00:35:38,360
Speaker 5: And then the director was so cool. He did this

737
00:35:38,520 --> 00:35:42,480
Speaker 5: you know, we we only had speaking, uh like English

738
00:35:42,520 --> 00:35:46,640
Speaker 5: speaking verbal lines when we were the frat boys. As

739
00:35:46,680 --> 00:35:49,279
Speaker 5: we turned into the cavement, it was all grunting, right

740
00:35:49,520 --> 00:35:50,120
Speaker 5: of course.

741
00:35:49,920 --> 00:35:52,880
Speaker 2: Well because it's a documentary and they didn't watch this.

742
00:35:53,200 --> 00:35:57,759
Speaker 5: Yeah, the director sent all four of us, I think

743
00:35:57,800 --> 00:35:59,480
Speaker 5: you brought us in actually for a rehearsal and gave

744
00:35:59,520 --> 00:36:02,280
Speaker 5: us each DVD of this movie called Ring of Fire

745
00:36:03,280 --> 00:36:06,640
Speaker 5: has no noques quester fire Quester for fire.

746
00:36:07,160 --> 00:36:08,439
Speaker 2: Yes, I love this movie.

747
00:36:08,520 --> 00:36:09,320
Speaker 3: It is bonker.

748
00:36:11,239 --> 00:36:12,920
Speaker 7: Oh no, I show this.

749
00:36:13,000 --> 00:36:15,640
Speaker 3: Movie to my screenwriting students, like the first class.

750
00:36:15,840 --> 00:36:18,560
Speaker 6: Because there's not a word of dialogue and yet you

751
00:36:18,920 --> 00:36:21,680
Speaker 6: you get the entire story and it's caveman, it's amazing.

752
00:36:21,840 --> 00:36:25,520
Speaker 3: It's it's it's not good, but it's it's crazy.

753
00:36:25,800 --> 00:36:27,640
Speaker 5: He gave us that film and he said, this is

754
00:36:27,760 --> 00:36:30,800
Speaker 5: what you need to communicate when you're I want to

755
00:36:30,840 --> 00:36:34,200
Speaker 5: be able to understand everything you guys are saying. You

756
00:36:34,280 --> 00:36:37,759
Speaker 5: had these rehearsals and just with this, this grunting for

757
00:36:37,920 --> 00:36:39,880
Speaker 5: like a started. It was awesome.

758
00:36:39,920 --> 00:36:41,560
Speaker 4: I really loved so wait I have to I have

759
00:36:41,640 --> 00:36:44,280
Speaker 4: to know it was the dialogue written out in English

760
00:36:44,440 --> 00:36:46,920
Speaker 4: and then you have to grunt to make like this

761
00:36:47,120 --> 00:36:49,640
Speaker 4: is what we intend for you to say in grunting

762
00:36:49,960 --> 00:36:51,760
Speaker 4: or are you just making it up as you go along.

763
00:36:52,360 --> 00:36:54,400
Speaker 5: I honestly don't remember it, but I would imagine that

764
00:36:54,440 --> 00:36:59,600
Speaker 5: it was written right. Yeah. Yeah, least at least it

765
00:36:59,680 --> 00:37:01,600
Speaker 5: was certainly written in description, because it was a little

766
00:37:01,680 --> 00:37:04,800
Speaker 5: right like there's this scene where we discover a lighter

767
00:37:05,680 --> 00:37:08,520
Speaker 5: and we're amazed that a lighter can create fire because

768
00:37:08,520 --> 00:37:10,240
Speaker 5: here we are needing to preserve fire.

769
00:37:10,520 --> 00:37:11,200
Speaker 3: Of course.

770
00:37:13,600 --> 00:37:15,400
Speaker 5: It must have been Yeah, it must have been written

771
00:37:15,400 --> 00:37:15,960
Speaker 5: out in something.

772
00:37:16,640 --> 00:37:20,360
Speaker 1: Oh man. So after Buffy, it looks, at least on

773
00:37:20,440 --> 00:37:22,800
Speaker 1: IMDb like pretty much after that you were kind of

774
00:37:22,840 --> 00:37:25,680
Speaker 1: off to the races you did, Spin City, angel Er,

775
00:37:25,960 --> 00:37:29,719
Speaker 1: NYPD Blue. By the way, all shows that have a

776
00:37:29,920 --> 00:37:34,960
Speaker 1: lot of background actors, have you always then in every

777
00:37:35,040 --> 00:37:37,279
Speaker 1: project you've gone on to, have you always made a

778
00:37:37,360 --> 00:37:40,120
Speaker 1: point of then being extra kind and considerate to the

779
00:37:40,160 --> 00:37:42,480
Speaker 1: background actors because you know what it's like?

780
00:37:43,440 --> 00:37:45,560
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think so, But I think it also sort

781
00:37:45,560 --> 00:37:48,840
Speaker 5: of predates that. And I'm gonna like, I'll throw some

782
00:37:48,920 --> 00:37:51,680
Speaker 5: more flowers your way with this, but I feel like

783
00:37:51,760 --> 00:37:55,360
Speaker 5: it's I don't know very many people who have to

784
00:37:55,440 --> 00:37:58,560
Speaker 5: be told to be kind to somebody right. We either

785
00:37:59,160 --> 00:38:03,160
Speaker 5: under like that's either your worldview joy and empathy and

786
00:38:03,280 --> 00:38:05,480
Speaker 5: you love what you do, or it's not who you are.

787
00:38:05,960 --> 00:38:07,719
Speaker 5: And if it's not who you are, I understand, then

788
00:38:07,719 --> 00:38:09,719
Speaker 5: you have to be told something. But that's not gonna

789
00:38:09,719 --> 00:38:11,600
Speaker 5: result in you being kind. It's just gonna result in

790
00:38:11,680 --> 00:38:12,320
Speaker 5: you not being.

791
00:38:12,200 --> 00:38:16,160
Speaker 4: A dick, right, right, Yes, nice and kind are two

792
00:38:16,200 --> 00:38:16,680
Speaker 4: different things.

793
00:38:16,760 --> 00:38:21,960
Speaker 5: Yeah, so I am privileged with you know, just my

794
00:38:22,400 --> 00:38:26,480
Speaker 5: worldview has tended to just be relatively joyous whenever I can,

795
00:38:27,480 --> 00:38:29,839
Speaker 5: so it has. It has irked me when I've been

796
00:38:29,880 --> 00:38:34,719
Speaker 5: on projects where people are not treated respectfully. I think

797
00:38:34,800 --> 00:38:36,279
Speaker 5: one of the nice things about them being in a

798
00:38:36,360 --> 00:38:39,200
Speaker 5: leadership position, whether whether it's your first couple of leads

799
00:38:39,280 --> 00:38:42,239
Speaker 5: or whether you're like finally producing things, is you get

800
00:38:42,280 --> 00:38:45,400
Speaker 5: to set the tone of wanting to you know, certain

801
00:38:45,440 --> 00:38:48,160
Speaker 5: shows or run certain ways. So so that was also

802
00:38:48,239 --> 00:38:50,040
Speaker 5: really nice about I mean, most of the projects that

803
00:38:50,120 --> 00:38:53,560
Speaker 5: you mentioned, or I've had nothing but great experiences on

804
00:38:53,719 --> 00:38:56,320
Speaker 5: people were always really kind. I know that's not everybody's

805
00:38:56,360 --> 00:38:59,160
Speaker 5: experience with all these shows, but that that was mine

806
00:38:59,160 --> 00:39:00,800
Speaker 5: and that's all I can really be to firsthand.

807
00:39:00,880 --> 00:39:03,040
Speaker 4: Right, So, maybe you were on some of the best

808
00:39:03,080 --> 00:39:05,600
Speaker 4: shows ever, I mean and my people. Everything was just

809
00:39:05,680 --> 00:39:07,600
Speaker 4: named there is like banger after banger.

810
00:39:08,760 --> 00:39:11,400
Speaker 5: Yeah, and they were all relatively small parts. Right the

811
00:39:11,840 --> 00:39:14,600
Speaker 5: Spin City, it was like I think I was playing

812
00:39:14,640 --> 00:39:16,840
Speaker 5: there was a flashback with Charlie Sheen's character, and I

813
00:39:16,960 --> 00:39:20,680
Speaker 5: was his. I was his rap boy doing like a

814
00:39:22,120 --> 00:39:24,680
Speaker 5: like a keg stand or something here. By the ways,

815
00:39:24,719 --> 00:39:29,840
Speaker 5: I basically either played a nerder or frap boys and fratuys.

816
00:39:30,280 --> 00:39:31,000
Speaker 2: That's so great.

817
00:39:31,400 --> 00:39:32,880
Speaker 1: That's the range that you want to have when you're

818
00:39:33,080 --> 00:39:38,680
Speaker 1: I mean honestly quite inspiring. So then in two thousand

819
00:39:38,680 --> 00:39:41,160
Speaker 1: and four, Harold and Kumar comes out the first Harold

820
00:39:41,200 --> 00:39:45,800
Speaker 1: and Kumar, and you go from this consistently working character

821
00:39:45,960 --> 00:39:50,200
Speaker 1: actor to one of the most recognizable actors.

822
00:39:49,960 --> 00:39:53,239
Speaker 2: Of the mid aughts. Was this the dream you had

823
00:39:53,320 --> 00:39:56,759
Speaker 2: always wanted? Or after it happened, did you go hmm?

824
00:39:57,000 --> 00:40:00,239
Speaker 1: I kind of enjoyed being a successful journey man, but

825
00:40:00,440 --> 00:40:03,480
Speaker 1: having a little bit of anonymity, I think to jump

826
00:40:03,640 --> 00:40:04,120
Speaker 1: it's such.

827
00:40:04,000 --> 00:40:06,080
Speaker 5: A good question. I don't think I've been asked in

828
00:40:06,200 --> 00:40:09,719
Speaker 5: that way. I mean, y'all are actors, so you you

829
00:40:09,880 --> 00:40:14,080
Speaker 5: get it. The I appreciate that those were journey minerals.

830
00:40:14,160 --> 00:40:16,919
Speaker 5: They were mostly just paying five hundred of the seven

831
00:40:16,920 --> 00:40:19,600
Speaker 5: and fifty that I needed for rent every month. So

832
00:40:19,719 --> 00:40:23,800
Speaker 5: I still threw all those those those parts. I still was.

833
00:40:24,520 --> 00:40:26,279
Speaker 5: I was a runner, I was a production assistant. I

834
00:40:26,400 --> 00:40:29,160
Speaker 5: was working sort of random, random jobs and was very

835
00:40:29,160 --> 00:40:32,080
Speaker 5: happy to very happy to do those those jobs to

836
00:40:32,360 --> 00:40:34,840
Speaker 5: like save up for rent and audition money and stuff.

837
00:40:35,920 --> 00:40:39,480
Speaker 5: But for me, the bridge between those two was a

838
00:40:39,560 --> 00:40:45,000
Speaker 5: movie I did called Van Wilder with and That's think

839
00:40:45,440 --> 00:40:47,560
Speaker 5: that was the first supporting lead that I had in

840
00:40:47,680 --> 00:40:50,160
Speaker 5: a in a movie. And were it not for that movie,

841
00:40:50,200 --> 00:40:52,320
Speaker 5: I don't think I would have gotten the job. And

842
00:40:52,360 --> 00:40:56,160
Speaker 5: Harold Kamar go to WAKEMP and Harold and Kumar everybody

843
00:40:56,160 --> 00:41:00,320
Speaker 5: always forgets. When that movie came out, it it totally

844
00:41:00,360 --> 00:41:03,560
Speaker 5: tanked at the box office. Nobody saw it in a

845
00:41:03,600 --> 00:41:05,919
Speaker 5: lot of places. I think it got pulled early from

846
00:41:06,040 --> 00:41:10,000
Speaker 5: that initial like two week exhibit or commitment because nobody

847
00:41:10,080 --> 00:41:11,440
Speaker 5: was going to see this thing and it was a

848
00:41:11,880 --> 00:41:13,600
Speaker 5: real I mean to say it was a bummer is

849
00:41:14,000 --> 00:41:15,360
Speaker 5: a very light way of saying.

850
00:41:15,160 --> 00:41:19,400
Speaker 1: Like, yeah, art breaking, because devastating, Yeah, totally devastating.

851
00:41:19,400 --> 00:41:21,839
Speaker 5: I mean for John Choe and I, he had worked

852
00:41:21,880 --> 00:41:23,960
Speaker 5: certainly a lot more consistently than I had. And he's

853
00:41:23,960 --> 00:41:25,680
Speaker 5: a couple of years older, so he had he had

854
00:41:25,719 --> 00:41:27,919
Speaker 5: more credits, but you know, he was an American pie

855
00:41:28,000 --> 00:41:30,880
Speaker 5: and he had a yeah on Off Center, that sitcom

856
00:41:30,960 --> 00:41:34,680
Speaker 5: on the WB And we both read the script. We

857
00:41:34,719 --> 00:41:36,360
Speaker 5: didn't know each other before doing the movie, but we

858
00:41:36,440 --> 00:41:38,959
Speaker 5: read the script and you know, I was just like, Wow,

859
00:41:39,080 --> 00:41:41,640
Speaker 5: this is so funny. It's the funniest script I've read

860
00:41:41,680 --> 00:41:45,040
Speaker 5: in such a long time, probably ever. And you know,

861
00:41:45,120 --> 00:41:46,920
Speaker 5: in those days that we're talking to, early two thousands,

862
00:41:46,920 --> 00:41:49,680
Speaker 5: so if you if you didn't fit into sort of

863
00:41:49,800 --> 00:41:52,120
Speaker 5: like if you weren't white or black friends, people didn't

864
00:41:52,120 --> 00:41:54,879
Speaker 5: really know if they could cast you. There was something

865
00:41:55,560 --> 00:41:57,520
Speaker 5: you know, today we wouldn't even call it creative thinking,

866
00:41:57,600 --> 00:41:59,080
Speaker 5: but back in the day, it's like, oh, you're taking

867
00:41:59,120 --> 00:41:59,760
Speaker 5: a risk.

868
00:41:59,640 --> 00:42:01,160
Speaker 2: By how risky of you?

869
00:42:01,480 --> 00:42:03,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, out of the box, out of.

870
00:42:03,719 --> 00:42:06,840
Speaker 5: The box casting. So when the script came along, I

871
00:42:07,000 --> 00:42:09,520
Speaker 5: just remember being like, whoa, I get to just play

872
00:42:09,680 --> 00:42:14,840
Speaker 5: the irresponsible but smart stoner wants to go get character.

873
00:42:15,600 --> 00:42:15,839
Speaker 2: Yeah.

874
00:42:16,440 --> 00:42:18,239
Speaker 5: So so we had a lot writing on it, and

875
00:42:18,320 --> 00:42:21,480
Speaker 5: then and then when nobody came to see the movie,

876
00:42:21,560 --> 00:42:23,800
Speaker 5: a couple of things. It was, I know, your classic

877
00:42:23,960 --> 00:42:26,800
Speaker 5: like Okay, if your movie tanks, you're not really getting

878
00:42:26,840 --> 00:42:29,960
Speaker 5: calls for auditions or anything like that. And then there

879
00:42:30,040 --> 00:42:32,439
Speaker 5: was this added thing of like there were a couple

880
00:42:32,440 --> 00:42:34,120
Speaker 5: of people who are like, yeah, say we told you

881
00:42:34,239 --> 00:42:38,200
Speaker 5: Asian American men just can't open And so then you

882
00:42:38,280 --> 00:42:40,760
Speaker 5: start questioning like is that I feel like that's wrong.

883
00:42:40,840 --> 00:42:43,719
Speaker 5: I feel like my life experience is like he was

884
00:42:43,760 --> 00:42:46,040
Speaker 5: a fan of movies who also like just happens to

885
00:42:46,280 --> 00:42:48,879
Speaker 5: be brown and from New Jersey. It's like I feel

886
00:42:48,920 --> 00:42:51,800
Speaker 5: like everybody I know loves movies to laugh, right, So

887
00:42:52,680 --> 00:42:55,600
Speaker 5: so for about four months, I feel like nothing happened.

888
00:42:55,640 --> 00:42:57,480
Speaker 5: It was just this really down and the dumb time.

889
00:42:57,880 --> 00:43:00,319
Speaker 5: And then the movie ends up on HBO and coming

890
00:43:00,360 --> 00:43:04,160
Speaker 5: out on DVD with no marketing budget and no press,

891
00:43:04,400 --> 00:43:07,080
Speaker 5: and fans just found it on their own. Yeah, and

892
00:43:07,280 --> 00:43:09,279
Speaker 5: when I found it on their own, like I'm not

893
00:43:09,600 --> 00:43:11,480
Speaker 5: just talking about like so all the you know, the

894
00:43:11,600 --> 00:43:13,080
Speaker 5: sort of the haters in town who are like, oh,

895
00:43:13,160 --> 00:43:15,520
Speaker 5: these guys could never open a movie. It was people

896
00:43:15,760 --> 00:43:19,239
Speaker 5: sure La New York, San Francisco, and then Oklahoma and

897
00:43:20,239 --> 00:43:23,759
Speaker 5: Alabama and Iowa and places that would never show up

898
00:43:23,800 --> 00:43:27,480
Speaker 5: on those old school kind of Grids a movie like

899
00:43:27,600 --> 00:43:30,879
Speaker 5: this would do well, and I loved it selfishly, of course,

900
00:43:30,920 --> 00:43:33,360
Speaker 5: I'm like, oh my gosh, this is incredible artistically and

901
00:43:33,400 --> 00:43:35,400
Speaker 5: for my career, but then also as somebody who just

902
00:43:35,480 --> 00:43:38,040
Speaker 5: loves what we do, it's like, see, you guys are wrong.

903
00:43:38,160 --> 00:43:41,560
Speaker 5: People just everywhere we just want to have a good time,

904
00:43:41,680 --> 00:43:44,200
Speaker 5: especially like you think about that today things are so polarized.

905
00:43:44,440 --> 00:43:45,960
Speaker 5: It's one of the reasons I love what we do

906
00:43:46,560 --> 00:43:48,800
Speaker 5: in comedy is like you could still bring people together

907
00:43:48,880 --> 00:43:51,160
Speaker 5: to have a great time. And so I really credit

908
00:43:51,280 --> 00:43:54,239
Speaker 5: when I when I talk about that jump for Harold

909
00:43:54,280 --> 00:43:57,440
Speaker 5: and Kamar, it really was a fan driven thing. It

910
00:43:57,600 --> 00:44:00,000
Speaker 5: wasn't marketing, it wasn't the studio. Obviously, I'm very great

911
00:44:00,160 --> 00:44:03,239
Speaker 5: full of new Line and Warner brotherstunity, but it was

912
00:44:03,320 --> 00:44:05,440
Speaker 5: really such a fan driven thing and that got us

913
00:44:05,480 --> 00:44:08,320
Speaker 5: a second and third movie after that. So I absolutely

914
00:44:08,400 --> 00:44:10,520
Speaker 5: credit that movie with being able to launch a career.

915
00:44:11,480 --> 00:44:13,040
Speaker 3: It was such a good movie. It was such a

916
00:44:13,080 --> 00:44:13,520
Speaker 3: good movie.

917
00:44:14,600 --> 00:44:15,640
Speaker 5: I'm making it it did.

918
00:44:15,680 --> 00:44:17,080
Speaker 4: It had the same you know what it did is

919
00:44:17,160 --> 00:44:20,080
Speaker 4: it had a new generation vibe of like Bill and

920
00:44:20,160 --> 00:44:23,279
Speaker 4: Ted's Oh it just kind of brought you back to

921
00:44:23,440 --> 00:44:27,880
Speaker 4: that buddy comedy, wacky, ridiculousness. I'm in one hundred percent

922
00:44:27,960 --> 00:44:29,680
Speaker 4: wherever you go, I want to go with you guys.

923
00:44:29,760 --> 00:44:31,759
Speaker 4: It was had that same vibe. It was awesome, great.

924
00:44:31,880 --> 00:44:33,800
Speaker 5: What else is cool about that? I mean just just

925
00:44:33,960 --> 00:44:37,920
Speaker 5: talking about how you know when actors support each other.

926
00:44:38,080 --> 00:44:40,680
Speaker 5: You know, we had so many cool cameos in Harold

927
00:44:40,719 --> 00:44:44,400
Speaker 5: and Cargo. Yeah, and it was mostly because John and

928
00:44:44,480 --> 00:44:47,680
Speaker 5: I had worked with all these amazing actors who basically

929
00:44:48,040 --> 00:44:52,239
Speaker 5: we were either a supporting lead or in some way

930
00:44:52,360 --> 00:44:54,600
Speaker 5: kind of worked with them, and there was this feeling

931
00:44:54,680 --> 00:44:56,800
Speaker 5: of like, hey, when you and I remember Ryan Actually,

932
00:44:56,800 --> 00:44:59,879
Speaker 5: Reynolds said this very explicitly when we were on Bean Wild.

933
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:01,680
Speaker 5: He was like, you know, man, when you get your

934
00:45:01,760 --> 00:45:04,200
Speaker 5: first lead in something, I would love to do something

935
00:45:04,280 --> 00:45:07,480
Speaker 5: supporting in it. So we called him. He played a

936
00:45:07,640 --> 00:45:12,319
Speaker 5: nurse in this hospital. Anthony Anderson has a small part.

937
00:45:12,520 --> 00:45:14,800
Speaker 5: Eddie K. Thomas has lead.

938
00:45:14,760 --> 00:45:15,799
Speaker 2: Like Neil Patrick Harris.

939
00:45:15,840 --> 00:45:19,320
Speaker 3: Neil Patrick Harris, I mean, no deal, but he Yeah.

940
00:45:19,200 --> 00:45:23,320
Speaker 5: He's obviously an integral part of the film. Dave crumbhols like,

941
00:45:23,600 --> 00:45:26,879
Speaker 5: there's just so many great actors in all of these

942
00:45:26,920 --> 00:45:29,080
Speaker 5: that have these cameos. It was really fun to put

943
00:45:29,080 --> 00:45:30,319
Speaker 5: together great.

944
00:45:30,400 --> 00:45:33,920
Speaker 1: What did your family think of these movies and your

945
00:45:34,040 --> 00:45:36,520
Speaker 1: success or at the time when it didn't do well

946
00:45:36,560 --> 00:45:37,160
Speaker 1: in the theaters?

947
00:45:37,160 --> 00:45:37,880
Speaker 2: What did they think of that?

948
00:45:38,760 --> 00:45:41,160
Speaker 5: I think that the not doing well in theaters I

949
00:45:41,960 --> 00:45:45,520
Speaker 5: don't necessarily remember, and I think part of it was

950
00:45:46,000 --> 00:45:49,040
Speaker 5: I don't think my parents were like following box office results, right,

951
00:45:49,520 --> 00:45:52,719
Speaker 5: And I think for a lot of people, I mean,

952
00:45:52,920 --> 00:45:54,600
Speaker 5: you all have friends and family who are not in

953
00:45:54,719 --> 00:45:58,719
Speaker 5: this crazy, wonderful business. When something comes out, if they

954
00:45:58,840 --> 00:46:01,359
Speaker 5: know you, all they know is like your movie is out.

955
00:46:02,080 --> 00:46:03,560
Speaker 5: They love you and they know you, and that's a

956
00:46:03,680 --> 00:46:06,279
Speaker 5: very nice thing. So even if nobody else is watching it,

957
00:46:06,320 --> 00:46:09,640
Speaker 5: they're like, everybody's watching this, right, It's a huge it.

958
00:46:11,239 --> 00:46:14,560
Speaker 5: It's that kind of thing. So so I think, what's funny.

959
00:46:14,800 --> 00:46:18,800
Speaker 5: I remember my mom, you know, when Van Wilder is

960
00:46:18,840 --> 00:46:21,120
Speaker 5: a very I mean like Harold and Corn are very rated,

961
00:46:21,160 --> 00:46:24,680
Speaker 5: our movie the very late nineties, early two thousands brand

962
00:46:24,800 --> 00:46:29,680
Speaker 5: of comedy. And so I decided when I because Van

963
00:46:29,719 --> 00:46:31,719
Speaker 5: Wilder was my first big, big part in the movie,

964
00:46:32,760 --> 00:46:35,040
Speaker 5: I decided, you know, I want to explain to my

965
00:46:35,200 --> 00:46:38,560
Speaker 5: parents the many ways in which acting is a is

966
00:46:38,640 --> 00:46:41,799
Speaker 5: a real job and all the things that go into

967
00:46:41,840 --> 00:46:43,719
Speaker 5: it and how it's a business. So I went home.

968
00:46:43,840 --> 00:46:46,640
Speaker 5: It was probably Thanksgiving that year before I shot the movie,

969
00:46:46,640 --> 00:46:49,640
Speaker 5: and I brought the script, and so I gave my

970
00:46:49,719 --> 00:46:52,319
Speaker 5: parents the script. I'm like, read this Van Wilder movie.

971
00:46:52,360 --> 00:46:54,800
Speaker 5: I just want you to see that there's even a script.

972
00:46:54,880 --> 00:46:56,839
Speaker 5: You know, so many people you must just have fun

973
00:46:56,880 --> 00:46:58,600
Speaker 5: every day at work, and ideally, yes you do, but

974
00:46:58,960 --> 00:47:01,640
Speaker 5: there are writers and a crew, right. So I remember

975
00:47:01,719 --> 00:47:04,400
Speaker 5: giving them the script and going to my childhood bedroom

976
00:47:04,920 --> 00:47:07,480
Speaker 5: and after twenty minutes just hearing my mom yell, this

977
00:47:07,640 --> 00:47:13,799
Speaker 5: is pornography. I obviously come running and I was like, oh,

978
00:47:13,960 --> 00:47:17,440
Speaker 5: right to the topless scene in this movie. I was like, Mom,

979
00:47:17,520 --> 00:47:26,080
Speaker 5: it's not. My dad's like, now I'm interested. So that

980
00:47:26,360 --> 00:47:29,000
Speaker 5: was the bar right that we set, and in that,

981
00:47:30,840 --> 00:47:33,640
Speaker 5: you know, they came to the premiere. They understood what

982
00:47:33,800 --> 00:47:36,080
Speaker 5: type of the review was. But when Harold and Kabar

983
00:47:36,200 --> 00:47:38,560
Speaker 5: comes out, I overheard my mom. I was home again

984
00:47:38,640 --> 00:47:40,960
Speaker 5: for some reason, and I overheard my mom talk into

985
00:47:41,000 --> 00:47:43,120
Speaker 5: my hand. I could only hear her side of the conversation,

986
00:47:43,560 --> 00:47:46,360
Speaker 5: but I remember just thinking her talking about Harold and

987
00:47:46,400 --> 00:47:49,880
Speaker 5: Kamar and saying, no, no, it's not like that. Van Wilder,

988
00:47:50,360 --> 00:47:55,000
Speaker 5: This one's actually good. He has a big part. Like

989
00:47:55,239 --> 00:47:58,200
Speaker 5: in my head, I was like, there's probably more profanity

990
00:47:58,280 --> 00:48:02,720
Speaker 5: and news Harold and Kamar got a castle. But Mom

991
00:48:02,880 --> 00:48:05,959
Speaker 5: is very much like, no, no, he's got a bigger part,

992
00:48:06,360 --> 00:48:08,040
Speaker 5: so we have to see this. I was like, this

993
00:48:08,200 --> 00:48:08,600
Speaker 5: is great.

994
00:48:11,000 --> 00:48:13,279
Speaker 2: So they went to the premiere? Did they did they

995
00:48:13,400 --> 00:48:15,600
Speaker 2: on their own also see the movie in theaters.

996
00:48:15,960 --> 00:48:18,120
Speaker 5: They did see it in theaters. They brought their friends

997
00:48:18,160 --> 00:48:20,720
Speaker 5: and they did a disclaimer. What I didn't realize they

998
00:48:20,800 --> 00:48:23,040
Speaker 5: came to the premiere and the way that we were

999
00:48:23,040 --> 00:48:26,799
Speaker 5: all seated. You know, you get to bring a bunch

1000
00:48:26,840 --> 00:48:30,600
Speaker 5: of your friends and your family. My mom was sitting

1001
00:48:30,680 --> 00:48:34,080
Speaker 5: next to Jenna, next to Jenna Bunnoy, and I didn't

1002
00:48:34,120 --> 00:48:37,440
Speaker 5: tell her. There's the opening scene, I'm naked, like you

1003
00:48:37,520 --> 00:48:40,439
Speaker 5: see it from behind. Yeah, it's basically like my bare

1004
00:48:40,560 --> 00:48:47,600
Speaker 5: butt act. And Jenna afterwards, like, you know, everyone's applauding.

1005
00:48:47,680 --> 00:48:49,400
Speaker 5: They do the thing people do it. Premiere is very

1006
00:48:49,400 --> 00:48:52,440
Speaker 5: self congratulatory. Oh the movie was funny, and Jenna just

1007
00:48:52,520 --> 00:48:54,920
Speaker 5: like grabs me by the collar and goes You did

1008
00:48:55,000 --> 00:48:57,680
Speaker 5: not tell me that we're going to be naked, and

1009
00:48:57,760 --> 00:48:59,319
Speaker 5: then I was going to be seated next to your

1010
00:49:01,719 --> 00:49:04,319
Speaker 5: It was like, oh, yeah, that was definitely my dad.

1011
00:49:04,560 --> 00:49:08,920
Speaker 5: I am sorry, I should have thought that through with

1012
00:49:09,000 --> 00:49:11,719
Speaker 5: the seating chart a little bit, but no, they came

1013
00:49:11,760 --> 00:49:13,360
Speaker 5: to the Premier and it was very nice, you know,

1014
00:49:13,680 --> 00:49:18,400
Speaker 5: especially you know, for an immigrant community. A lot of

1015
00:49:18,440 --> 00:49:22,400
Speaker 5: my parents' friends whose kids weren't in entertainment, it was

1016
00:49:22,560 --> 00:49:25,960
Speaker 5: very sweet to know that they were. You know, the

1017
00:49:26,040 --> 00:49:28,279
Speaker 5: thing I think which drives a lot of a lot

1018
00:49:28,320 --> 00:49:30,440
Speaker 5: of parents, whether their immigrants or not, is this fear

1019
00:49:31,160 --> 00:49:33,080
Speaker 5: is your kid going to go into a business that

1020
00:49:33,120 --> 00:49:37,440
Speaker 5: I don't really understand, understandable fear for parents, And so

1021
00:49:37,800 --> 00:49:40,000
Speaker 5: for them to know that they had that fear and

1022
00:49:40,120 --> 00:49:42,840
Speaker 5: still be like, we would like to go and support

1023
00:49:43,200 --> 00:49:46,520
Speaker 5: the thing that you're doing was really very kind, really sweet. Yes.

1024
00:49:47,520 --> 00:49:50,440
Speaker 1: And then so much of your work post Harold and

1025
00:49:50,520 --> 00:49:54,040
Speaker 1: Kumar has been in such intense projects like you've done

1026
00:49:54,160 --> 00:49:57,960
Speaker 1: twenty four Designated Survivor, American Horror Story and even House

1027
00:49:58,120 --> 00:50:04,160
Speaker 1: to an extent, was that an intentional like a career

1028
00:50:04,280 --> 00:50:06,960
Speaker 1: turn or is it just that then you decided to

1029
00:50:07,000 --> 00:50:07,880
Speaker 1: flex a different muscle.

1030
00:50:08,400 --> 00:50:11,040
Speaker 5: I think it's a lot of it was just chance,

1031
00:50:11,200 --> 00:50:14,440
Speaker 5: and I'm grateful for it. You know, I remember for

1032
00:50:14,719 --> 00:50:20,520
Speaker 5: both twenty four and well for twenty four, Yeah, they

1033
00:50:21,440 --> 00:50:23,560
Speaker 5: is it Robert Gordon? Is that his name? Mark Gorton?

1034
00:50:23,760 --> 00:50:25,960
Speaker 5: No Robert anyway, what are the Gordons?

1035
00:50:26,040 --> 00:50:28,200
Speaker 2: What are the Gordons? Gordon Fisherman.

1036
00:50:29,560 --> 00:50:31,440
Speaker 3: Well, there was no You're right, it's there's Mark and

1037
00:50:31,480 --> 00:50:32,000
Speaker 3: there's Chuck.

1038
00:50:32,760 --> 00:50:35,239
Speaker 5: It would have been Mark then, yeah, I think that's

1039
00:50:35,480 --> 00:50:38,640
Speaker 5: of course. Yeah, so he I remember he called and

1040
00:50:39,080 --> 00:50:43,000
Speaker 5: they said, we'd like to offer you this part in

1041
00:50:43,120 --> 00:50:46,600
Speaker 5: twenty four. It's a four episode arc. We saw you

1042
00:50:46,880 --> 00:50:51,120
Speaker 5: in Harold and Kumar go to Whitecastle. And our feeling

1043
00:50:51,440 --> 00:50:53,880
Speaker 5: is that if you can do comedy of a specific type,

1044
00:50:53,960 --> 00:50:56,480
Speaker 5: then you you're definitely able to do drama. And we

1045
00:50:56,600 --> 00:51:01,799
Speaker 5: think it's an interesting this is these are the people

1046
00:51:01,880 --> 00:51:05,319
Speaker 5: that you dream about working with. Yeah, like, well, you're

1047
00:51:06,000 --> 00:51:09,000
Speaker 5: outside the box. Thing is frustrating to hear as an actor,

1048
00:51:09,080 --> 00:51:12,800
Speaker 5: but then you meet smart producers and directors who are like,

1049
00:51:12,840 --> 00:51:15,680
Speaker 5: actually that's what I want. I've only seen you. See

1050
00:51:15,680 --> 00:51:19,400
Speaker 5: you do another thing. And then similar thing with House.

1051
00:51:20,360 --> 00:51:23,840
Speaker 5: David Shore is such a talented guy created House and

1052
00:51:24,320 --> 00:51:26,920
Speaker 5: I remember going in to read for that and it's

1053
00:51:27,000 --> 00:51:29,600
Speaker 5: the first time still probably to this day, you go

1054
00:51:29,640 --> 00:51:31,920
Speaker 5: into this room they were casting. I think they were

1055
00:51:31,960 --> 00:51:36,319
Speaker 5: casting nine actors to be supporting characters for the first

1056
00:51:36,400 --> 00:51:39,160
Speaker 5: half of a new season of House. And of those nine,

1057
00:51:39,440 --> 00:51:42,239
Speaker 5: three were going to become series regulars, and so they

1058
00:51:42,280 --> 00:51:45,160
Speaker 5: were all doctors, right, And so they basically gave everybody

1059
00:51:45,360 --> 00:51:48,640
Speaker 5: the same sides. There were two or three different sides

1060
00:51:48,680 --> 00:51:51,120
Speaker 5: they gave everybody. So I was sitting next to both

1061
00:51:51,239 --> 00:51:54,920
Speaker 5: men and women age maybe twenty four to eight, and

1062
00:51:55,120 --> 00:51:58,440
Speaker 5: we all had one of three sets of sides right,

1063
00:51:58,560 --> 00:52:01,840
Speaker 5: for nine different characters. Wow. And I remember the sides

1064
00:52:01,880 --> 00:52:04,000
Speaker 5: I was given were for the part of a Mormon doctor.

1065
00:52:04,560 --> 00:52:06,880
Speaker 5: I don't know, like, I'm never going to get this

1066
00:52:07,920 --> 00:52:09,759
Speaker 5: right right, And then I'm like, get out of your head.

1067
00:52:09,800 --> 00:52:11,319
Speaker 5: There might be a reason they gave you these sides.

1068
00:52:11,360 --> 00:52:12,600
Speaker 5: Get out of your head. Just go in there, do

1069
00:52:12,640 --> 00:52:14,560
Speaker 5: a good job. And I ended up getting, you know,

1070
00:52:14,640 --> 00:52:17,200
Speaker 5: one of the nine parts. Then myself, Olivia Wilde, and

1071
00:52:17,360 --> 00:52:20,719
Speaker 5: Peter Jacobson became the three series regulars that season, and

1072
00:52:20,800 --> 00:52:22,799
Speaker 5: I got to know David really well, and I was like, man,

1073
00:52:23,040 --> 00:52:24,600
Speaker 5: now that I know you, I just have to ask

1074
00:52:24,680 --> 00:52:27,600
Speaker 5: you this actor question, like why did you give you know,

1075
00:52:27,760 --> 00:52:31,839
Speaker 5: fifty actors the same sides, you know, men and women

1076
00:52:32,000 --> 00:52:34,960
Speaker 5: and eighteen to eighty or whatever. He said, Well, I

1077
00:52:35,080 --> 00:52:36,879
Speaker 5: just I just wanted to make sure that I cast

1078
00:52:36,920 --> 00:52:40,799
Speaker 5: the best actors. Yeah right, but like we were all

1079
00:52:40,920 --> 00:52:45,080
Speaker 5: ethnically diverse type verse, like everyone was none of us

1080
00:52:45,160 --> 00:52:47,960
Speaker 5: looked the same. He's like, I don't really understand the question.

1081
00:52:48,040 --> 00:52:50,600
Speaker 5: I just wanted the best actors. I was like, okay, thanks,

1082
00:52:50,640 --> 00:52:54,960
Speaker 5: you me, you know. Yeah, And so those were That

1083
00:52:55,080 --> 00:52:57,640
Speaker 5: was another great experience of just like these are these

1084
00:52:57,640 --> 00:52:59,799
Speaker 5: are people who are so creative and they just really

1085
00:53:00,080 --> 00:53:04,600
Speaker 5: on the best actors, the best writers, the best experience

1086
00:53:04,680 --> 00:53:07,160
Speaker 5: on set. So I feel really lucky for both of those,

1087
00:53:07,400 --> 00:53:08,719
Speaker 5: I mean, especially House. I was on that trip for

1088
00:53:08,760 --> 00:53:10,360
Speaker 5: two and a half years. And yeah, really.

1089
00:53:12,520 --> 00:53:15,160
Speaker 3: Was twenty four as an intense a set as they

1090
00:53:15,239 --> 00:53:15,680
Speaker 3: said it was?

1091
00:53:17,200 --> 00:53:19,480
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean yes, I think so. And I think

1092
00:53:19,520 --> 00:53:22,520
Speaker 5: it was intense as an actor also because you're because

1093
00:53:22,560 --> 00:53:25,640
Speaker 5: it's twenty four hours in each each season, right yeah, yeah,

1094
00:53:26,000 --> 00:53:29,799
Speaker 5: so it's in real time that you're kind of doing

1095
00:53:29,880 --> 00:53:32,239
Speaker 5: your scene for the most part, right, their little gaps

1096
00:53:32,280 --> 00:53:34,920
Speaker 5: when they cut to the commercial or whatever, but it's

1097
00:53:35,000 --> 00:53:37,920
Speaker 5: in it's in real time. So and I played a

1098
00:53:38,080 --> 00:53:40,719
Speaker 5: you know, I played this this terrorist who's taking a

1099
00:53:40,840 --> 00:53:44,359
Speaker 5: family hostage. And there are two things that I think,

1100
00:53:44,440 --> 00:53:46,160
Speaker 5: two things that most of us probably don't love. I

1101
00:53:46,200 --> 00:53:48,600
Speaker 5: won't speak for other people, but like, okay, obviously nobody

1102
00:53:48,640 --> 00:53:51,799
Speaker 5: loves a terrorist, right And I'm I'm not a big

1103
00:53:51,880 --> 00:53:55,560
Speaker 5: gun guy like right handguns, yea. And I'm holding this

1104
00:53:56,080 --> 00:54:00,560
Speaker 5: handgun holding a family hostage for four weeks and it

1105
00:54:01,120 --> 00:54:04,200
Speaker 5: but because each scene is real time, it really was

1106
00:54:04,280 --> 00:54:06,920
Speaker 5: like it was very That's that's probably the only I'm

1107
00:54:06,920 --> 00:54:09,359
Speaker 5: not a method actor by any means, but I had

1108
00:54:09,400 --> 00:54:11,040
Speaker 5: a hard time sleeping when i'd get.

1109
00:54:10,960 --> 00:54:12,919
Speaker 2: Home from I bet.

1110
00:54:13,160 --> 00:54:16,479
Speaker 5: Yeah, up, you know you are from playing a character

1111
00:54:16,640 --> 00:54:20,239
Speaker 5: like that. Awesome exercise, awesome acting exercise.

1112
00:54:20,400 --> 00:54:20,600
Speaker 7: Yeah.

1113
00:54:21,800 --> 00:54:24,319
Speaker 5: Also, there's I didn't have. I worked with Kiefer when

1114
00:54:24,360 --> 00:54:27,680
Speaker 5: we did Designated Survival. Yeah, there's only one scene that

1115
00:54:27,760 --> 00:54:31,560
Speaker 5: we overlapped on twenty four. It's obviously way before I

1116
00:54:31,640 --> 00:54:33,680
Speaker 5: knew him, and I was a big twenty four fan.

1117
00:54:34,239 --> 00:54:40,719
Speaker 5: And so at the end, my character gets shot when

1118
00:54:40,760 --> 00:54:44,239
Speaker 5: there's this raid and people are running around everywhere and

1119
00:54:44,280 --> 00:54:47,279
Speaker 5: I'm supposed to turn a corner and Keifer you know,

1120
00:54:47,640 --> 00:54:50,440
Speaker 5: draws his weapon and says drup your weapon. So we

1121
00:54:50,600 --> 00:54:53,279
Speaker 5: rehearse it and I'm in character and I'm like in

1122
00:54:53,400 --> 00:54:56,160
Speaker 5: the zone and I come around the corner, cameras are

1123
00:54:56,239 --> 00:54:58,239
Speaker 5: rolling and he just goes drop your weapon, And in

1124
00:54:58,360 --> 00:55:00,480
Speaker 5: my head all I can think is, oh my god,

1125
00:55:00,520 --> 00:55:01,040
Speaker 5: that's you for some.

1126
00:55:05,719 --> 00:55:09,040
Speaker 3: Just ruined it for myself, takes out of it, that's

1127
00:55:09,120 --> 00:55:09,680
Speaker 3: all about.

1128
00:55:21,640 --> 00:55:21,799
Speaker 5: Well.

1129
00:55:21,840 --> 00:55:24,799
Speaker 1: You would also end up in legendary sitcoms like Big

1130
00:55:24,880 --> 00:55:27,640
Speaker 1: Bang Theory, How I Met Your Mother, and you would

1131
00:55:27,719 --> 00:55:31,320
Speaker 1: later even create an EP, your own show, Sunnyside with

1132
00:55:31,600 --> 00:55:33,120
Speaker 1: super producer Mike Sure.

1133
00:55:34,000 --> 00:55:36,680
Speaker 2: What do you love about sitcoms?

1134
00:55:37,520 --> 00:55:40,520
Speaker 5: I like baking people laugh so much. I mean I

1135
00:55:41,880 --> 00:55:46,360
Speaker 5: grew up on the classic era of I mean you

1136
00:55:46,400 --> 00:55:48,720
Speaker 5: can't even really say classic era since TV has changed

1137
00:55:48,760 --> 00:55:53,120
Speaker 5: so much, so probably unfair, but it's the nostalgia, right,

1138
00:55:53,200 --> 00:55:57,000
Speaker 5: It's the like the Full House Boy meets World Growing Pains,

1139
00:55:57,040 --> 00:56:00,439
Speaker 5: like all the shows that you you would you could

1140
00:56:00,440 --> 00:56:02,360
Speaker 5: watch with your friends, you would certainly watch with your family,

1141
00:56:02,400 --> 00:56:04,759
Speaker 5: but then you talk about it in school the next day. Yeah,

1142
00:56:05,120 --> 00:56:07,759
Speaker 5: it's great unifier. And obviously today there are a lot

1143
00:56:07,840 --> 00:56:10,600
Speaker 5: more choices of what people can watch, but the idea

1144
00:56:10,640 --> 00:56:13,840
Speaker 5: that you can still make people happy and make people

1145
00:56:14,040 --> 00:56:16,759
Speaker 5: kind of smile and enjoy themselves is something that I

1146
00:56:16,880 --> 00:56:21,480
Speaker 5: really love. I loved it. Look obviously, my like my

1147
00:56:21,560 --> 00:56:23,359
Speaker 5: ten year old nephew is not allowed to watch Harold

1148
00:56:23,440 --> 00:56:27,960
Speaker 5: Kamar Go to Away Castle yet maybe soon, but he

1149
00:56:28,080 --> 00:56:31,919
Speaker 5: can watch this TV series last year called The Santa

1150
00:56:31,960 --> 00:56:37,120
Speaker 5: Clauses with Tim Allens, Yes, Christmas show six episodes. Obviously,

1151
00:56:37,520 --> 00:56:41,800
Speaker 5: who doesn't love Tim from his sitcoms yea. And so

1152
00:56:41,920 --> 00:56:43,920
Speaker 5: that was one where I'm like, this is so different

1153
00:56:44,040 --> 00:56:46,080
Speaker 5: than the Harold and Kumar audience, and I love it

1154
00:56:47,080 --> 00:56:49,120
Speaker 5: because you get to make a whole different set of

1155
00:56:49,160 --> 00:56:50,160
Speaker 5: people laugh and smile.

1156
00:56:50,719 --> 00:56:53,120
Speaker 1: Well, that actually leads me. It's a perfect intro to

1157
00:56:53,200 --> 00:56:56,160
Speaker 1: my next question. You have a lot of projects that

1158
00:56:56,320 --> 00:56:59,359
Speaker 1: involve Christmas. You have Harold and Kumar Christmas and Deck

1159
00:56:59,400 --> 00:57:02,640
Speaker 1: the Halls, Mess Holiday and then the Santa Clauses.

1160
00:57:02,880 --> 00:57:05,600
Speaker 2: Is this coincidental or intentional?

1161
00:57:05,680 --> 00:57:05,840
Speaker 7: Do you?

1162
00:57:06,080 --> 00:57:07,760
Speaker 2: Are you just a big Christmas person?

1163
00:57:08,560 --> 00:57:10,359
Speaker 5: I mean I am, but I think it's I think

1164
00:57:10,400 --> 00:57:14,600
Speaker 5: it's coincidental. Yeah, actually it is concidental. Tell you so well.

1165
00:57:15,280 --> 00:57:17,640
Speaker 5: Hot Mess Holiday. Actually, hot Mess Holiday is more of

1166
00:57:17,680 --> 00:57:21,360
Speaker 5: a the Volley movie. Okay, happens around Christmas time. Okay,

1167
00:57:21,520 --> 00:57:24,360
Speaker 5: I think that was on purpose that we wanted to

1168
00:57:24,520 --> 00:57:27,600
Speaker 5: merge the two. In real life, they happen around each

1169
00:57:27,600 --> 00:57:30,560
Speaker 5: other November. But I think we merged the themes a

1170
00:57:30,560 --> 00:57:33,360
Speaker 5: little morse that could be a little more like celebratory, right,

1171
00:57:34,520 --> 00:57:37,560
Speaker 5: and then yeah, Harold and Kumar Christmas. I just remember

1172
00:57:38,240 --> 00:57:41,080
Speaker 5: when the writers John Horwitz and Aiden Slasberg called with, like,

1173
00:57:41,160 --> 00:57:44,240
Speaker 5: here's the concept for the third movie. And I am

1174
00:57:44,360 --> 00:57:47,080
Speaker 5: a big Christmas fan. You know, it's mostly like Home

1175
00:57:47,120 --> 00:57:51,560
Speaker 5: Alone Christmas Story era stuff, but definitely national and pooon

1176
00:57:51,720 --> 00:57:58,120
Speaker 5: like any Yeah, this comedy I love, but I had Yeah,

1177
00:57:58,120 --> 00:58:01,479
Speaker 5: I'd never thought about whether that was on purpose. Also,

1178
00:58:01,640 --> 00:58:04,040
Speaker 5: I mean with like the Santa Claus is this, I

1179
00:58:04,080 --> 00:58:07,280
Speaker 5: guess we shot it two years ago. You you know,

1180
00:58:07,320 --> 00:58:11,439
Speaker 5: we shot over the summer in la and like you're off,

1181
00:58:11,600 --> 00:58:13,360
Speaker 5: you get to go to the North Pole every day

1182
00:58:13,440 --> 00:58:18,680
Speaker 5: like the sh right right, You sit in hair and makeup,

1183
00:58:18,720 --> 00:58:21,360
Speaker 5: you go over your lines, and then you are legitimately

1184
00:58:21,560 --> 00:58:23,600
Speaker 5: just in the North Pole. And the only creepy part

1185
00:58:23,600 --> 00:58:26,440
Speaker 5: of it was all of the children who played elves

1186
00:58:27,360 --> 00:58:30,920
Speaker 5: have their like little pointy ears. They're like, you know,

1187
00:58:31,000 --> 00:58:34,720
Speaker 5: when they're in character on the North Pole set I'm cool, Like,

1188
00:58:34,840 --> 00:58:39,920
Speaker 5: we're good, right, they call like a twenty minute lighting reset.

1189
00:58:40,120 --> 00:58:42,919
Speaker 5: The bell rings, the massive door opens, and suddenly these

1190
00:58:43,320 --> 00:58:47,160
Speaker 5: kids with their pointy ears, their creepy shoes are sitting

1191
00:58:47,280 --> 00:58:50,200
Speaker 5: having granola bars, talking like adults.

1192
00:58:50,400 --> 00:58:55,919
Speaker 7: Like do you like Machia TI? I like, don't take

1193
00:58:56,000 --> 00:58:59,800
Speaker 7: me out of it, guys, I got to call my agent.

1194
00:59:02,320 --> 00:59:04,479
Speaker 5: No, they were all obviously very sweet, very sweet kids.

1195
00:59:04,480 --> 00:59:06,920
Speaker 5: But but I love that you get to get to day.

1196
00:59:07,360 --> 00:59:08,840
Speaker 3: It was it still a two and a half hour

1197
00:59:08,880 --> 00:59:09,960
Speaker 3: bus ride to the North Pole.

1198
00:59:13,440 --> 00:59:14,000
Speaker 2: There's nothing I.

1199
00:59:14,080 --> 00:59:16,440
Speaker 6: Love more than fake snow. Like working with fakes no

1200
00:59:16,640 --> 00:59:19,480
Speaker 6: makes me so happy. It's like the most Hollywood movie

1201
00:59:19,600 --> 00:59:23,280
Speaker 6: magic experience. We're like, wow, it's it's many degrees in LA,

1202
00:59:23,360 --> 00:59:25,000
Speaker 6: but we're going to make it look like it's freezing.

1203
00:59:25,120 --> 00:59:27,240
Speaker 5: I love that combo they do now of like some

1204
00:59:27,440 --> 00:59:29,920
Speaker 5: of it is so analog, low rent, looks like it

1205
00:59:30,160 --> 00:59:32,600
Speaker 5: you can see at the mall. And then suddenly there's like,

1206
00:59:32,760 --> 00:59:35,200
Speaker 5: is this real snow? Look Actually it's soupisodes that we

1207
00:59:35,320 --> 00:59:37,440
Speaker 5: put I don't.

1208
00:59:37,240 --> 00:59:38,880
Speaker 3: Want to know, just me, just don't tell me, just

1209
00:59:38,920 --> 00:59:39,360
Speaker 3: don't tell me.

1210
00:59:40,800 --> 00:59:43,480
Speaker 1: Well, before we let you go, I do have one

1211
00:59:44,120 --> 00:59:46,880
Speaker 1: kind of important question for you, as someone who took

1212
00:59:46,920 --> 00:59:50,120
Speaker 1: a sabbatical from acting to work in the Obama administration.

1213
00:59:51,520 --> 00:59:53,959
Speaker 2: Does Obama know that you were on Boy Meets World?

1214
00:59:56,840 --> 01:00:01,000
Speaker 2: Does yeah? Does Obama know what Boy Meets World is?

1215
01:00:01,640 --> 01:00:04,400
Speaker 5: I don't know. I can try to get you some confirmation.

1216
01:00:05,400 --> 01:00:09,040
Speaker 2: I would like nothing more than to know whether.

1217
01:00:10,400 --> 01:00:12,080
Speaker 3: A question yeah to you?

1218
01:00:12,160 --> 01:00:15,400
Speaker 1: And I've really I've wondered before, I've wondered does he

1219
01:00:15,720 --> 01:00:16,000
Speaker 1: does he.

1220
01:00:16,080 --> 01:00:16,959
Speaker 2: Know of Boy's World?

1221
01:00:17,560 --> 01:00:21,280
Speaker 5: He and Missus Obama are both very pop culture savvy,

1222
01:00:22,680 --> 01:00:25,000
Speaker 5: so like, I know, he obviously knows about that war,

1223
01:00:25,120 --> 01:00:26,800
Speaker 5: movies and things like that. I would love to go

1224
01:00:27,160 --> 01:00:30,920
Speaker 5: just a little farther back to see, let me see

1225
01:00:30,960 --> 01:00:31,760
Speaker 5: what I can dig up.

1226
01:00:31,760 --> 01:00:33,160
Speaker 2: Okay, see what you can dig up for us?

1227
01:00:33,200 --> 01:00:33,360
Speaker 1: Boy?

1228
01:00:33,440 --> 01:00:35,280
Speaker 2: That would really, that would really make me feel good.

1229
01:00:35,440 --> 01:00:38,720
Speaker 5: So I ask you, guys a question, what's the if

1230
01:00:38,760 --> 01:00:40,960
Speaker 5: you don't mind? Because I've I love that you do

1231
01:00:41,040 --> 01:00:42,600
Speaker 5: this podcast, and I love how much love there is

1232
01:00:42,960 --> 01:00:44,880
Speaker 5: for your show, which I only see, by the way,

1233
01:00:44,920 --> 01:00:46,800
Speaker 5: I only see when you don't know if you know this,

1234
01:00:46,920 --> 01:00:49,280
Speaker 5: Like most people go on Twitter to.

1235
01:00:49,360 --> 01:00:53,040
Speaker 1: Be mean, right, I know, Twitter's assesspool of mostly awful stuff.

1236
01:00:53,760 --> 01:00:57,080
Speaker 5: This is like any time this episode airs anywhere, there's

1237
01:00:57,160 --> 01:01:01,360
Speaker 5: like I'm getting tagged in these really sweet wrong about

1238
01:01:01,400 --> 01:01:03,080
Speaker 5: how much people love Boy means world.

1239
01:01:02,960 --> 01:01:04,200
Speaker 3: Like we have the best fans in the world.

1240
01:01:04,400 --> 01:01:06,720
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, is this like this must be such an

1241
01:01:06,760 --> 01:01:11,080
Speaker 5: incredible podcast to do and to like engage with fans

1242
01:01:11,200 --> 01:01:12,760
Speaker 5: old and new, Like do you just love it?

1243
01:01:12,760 --> 01:01:16,080
Speaker 6: It's so life affirming, man, It's like yeah, I mean

1244
01:01:16,120 --> 01:01:17,480
Speaker 6: because you know, I think for all of us, we've

1245
01:01:17,480 --> 01:01:20,640
Speaker 6: gone through periods of like you know, not getting work

1246
01:01:20,800 --> 01:01:22,920
Speaker 6: or changing careers or just like what is you know,

1247
01:01:23,000 --> 01:01:25,280
Speaker 6: what is the legacy of this this thing that we

1248
01:01:25,360 --> 01:01:27,480
Speaker 6: spent so much time doing, and so yeah, doing this

1249
01:01:27,560 --> 01:01:29,640
Speaker 6: podcast is just brought it front and center into our

1250
01:01:29,720 --> 01:01:32,800
Speaker 6: lives of like oh no, wow, these like it's beloved

1251
01:01:32,960 --> 01:01:35,760
Speaker 6: and and you know, being able to discover why and

1252
01:01:36,560 --> 01:01:38,360
Speaker 6: how it's just been wonderful. Yeah.

1253
01:01:38,920 --> 01:01:42,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, and you know being able to It's like there's

1254
01:01:42,960 --> 01:01:46,160
Speaker 1: there's a certain amount of time you need away from

1255
01:01:46,280 --> 01:01:48,880
Speaker 1: something to be able to see it more objectively.

1256
01:01:49,440 --> 01:01:53,960
Speaker 2: And I think we started this podcast at a perfect time.

1257
01:01:54,080 --> 01:01:57,840
Speaker 1: In our lives where we're on that the other side

1258
01:01:57,880 --> 01:02:00,680
Speaker 1: of middle age where you're able to to have that

1259
01:02:00,880 --> 01:02:03,680
Speaker 1: distance from who you were as a teenager where now

1260
01:02:03,800 --> 01:02:06,080
Speaker 1: you can look at it and instead of being wounded

1261
01:02:06,280 --> 01:02:10,120
Speaker 1: by a certain experience, or instead of reliving it in

1262
01:02:10,200 --> 01:02:12,600
Speaker 1: a way that feels too personal, we can look at

1263
01:02:12,640 --> 01:02:15,480
Speaker 1: it and go, man, I love that, that's so that

1264
01:02:15,680 --> 01:02:19,120
Speaker 1: shape who I am, that changed me there, or even.

1265
01:02:18,960 --> 01:02:24,240
Speaker 2: Kind of things that you know, it's felt therapeutic. It's been.

1266
01:02:24,680 --> 01:02:28,200
Speaker 1: It has been the highlight of truly one of the

1267
01:02:28,480 --> 01:02:30,720
Speaker 1: massive one of the main highlights of my entire career

1268
01:02:30,880 --> 01:02:34,440
Speaker 1: is this podcast. I love what we have done here

1269
01:02:35,520 --> 01:02:40,959
Speaker 1: so much, and it's just ours and it's been great.

1270
01:02:42,120 --> 01:02:45,720
Speaker 4: I also think it it points out that exactly what

1271
01:02:45,800 --> 01:02:48,520
Speaker 4: you were talking about, where there comes a time where everybody,

1272
01:02:49,000 --> 01:02:50,680
Speaker 4: I don't know, Boy meets World seemed like a time

1273
01:02:51,200 --> 01:02:53,720
Speaker 4: back then, and now people are rediscovering it where you

1274
01:02:53,800 --> 01:02:56,800
Speaker 4: could just put everything aside, everything else that's going on

1275
01:02:56,880 --> 01:02:59,520
Speaker 4: in the world, everything that makes you different from people

1276
01:02:59,600 --> 01:03:01,240
Speaker 4: are the same, None of it matters. You put it

1277
01:03:01,280 --> 01:03:04,720
Speaker 4: aside and everybody can just enjoy something wholesome. And I

1278
01:03:04,840 --> 01:03:07,920
Speaker 4: think that's kind of missing nowadays, where it's just I mean,

1279
01:03:07,960 --> 01:03:10,840
Speaker 4: we're not a monoculture anymore. So, the idea of everybody

1280
01:03:10,920 --> 01:03:13,160
Speaker 4: watching something and then going to school and talking about

1281
01:03:13,160 --> 01:03:15,400
Speaker 4: it doesn't seem to immun occasion you get a stranger

1282
01:03:15,480 --> 01:03:17,600
Speaker 4: things or something like that, but for the most part,

1283
01:03:17,760 --> 01:03:19,919
Speaker 4: it's we don't have that anymore. So I think people

1284
01:03:20,000 --> 01:03:21,280
Speaker 4: being able to go back to a time in their

1285
01:03:21,320 --> 01:03:25,000
Speaker 4: lives that didn't seem as complicated, where the most complicated

1286
01:03:25,080 --> 01:03:28,760
Speaker 4: question was is Tapanga gonna really ask Corey to marry?

1287
01:03:28,760 --> 01:03:31,000
Speaker 4: I mean, that's a wonderful time to go back to.

1288
01:03:31,240 --> 01:03:34,000
Speaker 3: So yeah, it's been. It's been pretty magical.

1289
01:03:34,320 --> 01:03:35,000
Speaker 5: That's so cool.

1290
01:03:35,720 --> 01:03:39,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, we're really lucky, and we are really grateful that

1291
01:03:39,400 --> 01:03:42,520
Speaker 1: you came and spent your very precious time with us.

1292
01:03:42,680 --> 01:03:46,040
Speaker 2: You have been an absolute delight. We have been looking so.

1293
01:03:46,280 --> 01:03:49,440
Speaker 1: Forward to talking to you and reconnecting with you, and

1294
01:03:49,520 --> 01:03:50,960
Speaker 1: we hope that it's not the last time.

1295
01:03:51,080 --> 01:03:52,880
Speaker 2: So I look forward to seeing you again. Thank you

1296
01:03:53,000 --> 01:03:53,640
Speaker 2: for being here.

1297
01:03:54,080 --> 01:03:57,200
Speaker 5: When you guys are in New York, Okay, that would

1298
01:03:57,200 --> 01:03:57,520
Speaker 5: be good.

1299
01:03:57,520 --> 01:03:59,040
Speaker 2: Thank you so much, Thank you so much.

1300
01:03:59,440 --> 01:04:00,400
Speaker 4: By by bye.

1301
01:04:02,200 --> 01:04:05,760
Speaker 1: Another person that you go, well, some things are right

1302
01:04:05,800 --> 01:04:08,720
Speaker 1: in the universe. When when someone who has a dream

1303
01:04:08,840 --> 01:04:11,280
Speaker 1: like living in New Jersey and a performing art high

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Speaker 1: school goes I want to go to la and see

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Speaker 1: if I can make it an entertainment and then does

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Speaker 1: and is that freaking nice and smart and cool?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, he's also go back and watch Harold and Kumar

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Speaker 4: from strictly a comedic acting standpoint.

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Speaker 3: He's phenomenal, so funny, he is hitting beats like he's

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Speaker 3: the that's.

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Speaker 4: The kind of comedy that I like. Where it's like, oh,

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Speaker 4: where where did that rhythm in that joke come from?

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Speaker 4: Like where did you pick that up? It's just's awesome

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Speaker 4: in a.

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Speaker 2: Lot of ways.

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Speaker 1: Will things he was saying really remind me of you.

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Speaker 1: I think you guys would be I think you guys

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Speaker 1: would be good friends.

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Speaker 3: Really awesome? Are you kidding?

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Speaker 2: I think you guys would be good friends?

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Speaker 3: And I Allan will go to McDonald's. Oh my god,

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Speaker 3: greatest thing ever.

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Speaker 1: Thank you all for joining us for this episode of

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Speaker 1: Pod Meets World as all. You can follow us on

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Speaker 2: And we've got merch.

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Speaker 3: I can't beat Callum Will go to McDonald's. Merch.

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Speaker 4: I can't beat it. I'd love to beat it. I

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Speaker 4: had nine of the things in my head, but no,

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Speaker 4: that's the new one. That's the standard.

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Speaker 3: I'm sticking with it.

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Speaker 1: Podmeetsworldshow dot com. We love you all, pod dismissed. Pod

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Speaker 1: Meets World is an iHeart podcast produced and hosted by

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Speaker 1: Danielle Fischel Wilfridell and writer Strong Executive producers Jensen Karp

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Speaker 1: and Amy Sugarman. Executive in charge of production, Danielle Romo,

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Speaker 1: producer and editor, Tara sudbachsch producer, Maddy Moore, engineer and

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Speaker 1: Boy Meets World superfan Easton Allen. Our theme song is

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