Speaker 1: Hey, guys, welcome to another episode of Eating While Broke.
Speaker 1: I'm your host, Coleen Witt, and today we have very
Speaker 1: special guest. Comedian, actor, writer influencer Brandon Rogers is in
Speaker 1: the building.
Speaker 2: Thank you so much for having me. This is the
Speaker 2: coolest studio I've ever been And you can cook full
Speaker 2: meals right here and not have to leave the studio.
Speaker 1: Yes, and I'm very fortunate because I get to challenge
Speaker 1: all my guests to feed me. I will say this,
Speaker 1: this is the first time we've had your dish on
Speaker 1: the show. What will you be having us eat today?
Speaker 2: Today we're eating canned chicken with balsamic vinaigrette and sagir soganeer.
Speaker 2: How everybody say, I'm just a fan of.
Speaker 3: The flat a, but I would throw the chicken into
Speaker 3: the sogpanier and cook.
Speaker 2: It like that. But I would also eat the chicken
Speaker 2: right out of the can by itself, just put a
Speaker 2: little balsamic on it and go in with the fork.
Speaker 2: And I would just eat that while I worked at
Speaker 2: a hotel back behind the front desk. Really yeah, I'd
Speaker 2: pop a can open to that and then just go
Speaker 2: to town on the well, yeah, I was eating weird
Speaker 2: shit back then.
Speaker 1: I like your creativity. You sound like you were like, oh,
Speaker 1: desperate measures will work with what we got chicken.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was weird. I wanted to I was very
Speaker 2: heavy back then, and I wanted to get thin real fast,
Speaker 2: and I didn't know how to. So I thought, well, like,
Speaker 2: what's like the bare bones of what I could eat? Oh?
Speaker 2: Just meat, like caveman mentality. So I'm like, I'm just
Speaker 2: gonna eat chicken out of the can. And I just
Speaker 2: threw the balsamic in there. So it wasn't just entirely flavorless.
Speaker 1: But I saw it in the chicken in the can.
Speaker 1: It has like a little fat in it, doesn't it fat?
Speaker 2: But not sugar. I was very into like no sugar.
Speaker 1: And I still I'm saying, you ate it cold, not warm.
Speaker 2: Right out right out, I mean not Ni'd eat it
Speaker 2: room temperature.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, your gangster. Okay. And then for us
Speaker 1: who did not know, because I did not know what
Speaker 1: sog or sag panaire is, can you explain what it is?
Speaker 2: So it's like spinach and spices and like you like
Speaker 2: basically like food process like chopped up finally and then
Speaker 2: cooked with cream and there's like cubes of cheese that
Speaker 2: are in it, and so it's like basically spinach cream
Speaker 2: and cheese. It's almost like the closest thing I could
Speaker 2: think of too, Like an American dish would be like
Speaker 2: spinach dip maybe, but meant to be eaten, not as
Speaker 2: a side or a dip, like as an actual like dishes.
Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, okay, And then your team said I could
Speaker 1: either get it from a restaurant or get it in
Speaker 1: the store. I did get it from the restaurant. I
Speaker 1: just want to tell you all listeners, this sog panaire.
Speaker 1: Please forgive us for butchering the name, but I think
Speaker 1: I paid ten dollars and it definitely looks like you'd
Speaker 1: be like two to three people, right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I can eat one of I could put one
Speaker 2: of those down easily. I'd probably put one and a
Speaker 2: half two of those down easy.
Speaker 1: I love you. Then, so basically this whole dish essentially
Speaker 1: just costs like twelve bucks.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's it's good because I'm I I live
Speaker 2: totally like Bachelor style. I don't eat a full meal
Speaker 2: at a time. I sometimes i'll eat extra or less
Speaker 2: than and it's nice because I just eat however much
Speaker 2: I want put it away. And I eat this probably
Speaker 2: every single day.
Speaker 4: Like really yeah yeah, like up so recently up till yesterday.
Speaker 1: What yeah, I wish you would have came here yesterday.
Speaker 1: We would have had you ready, I know, I know.
Speaker 2: But you know, I'm actually more used to eating it
Speaker 2: cold because I have food prep it. So I'll buy
Speaker 2: a bunch of the week and I only eat it
Speaker 2: like fresh on Monday or Tuesday, and the rest it's
Speaker 2: all either cold or reheated. So I'm this, I'm like.
Speaker 1: This, and this is uh, this is healthy. It's pretty healthy, and.
Speaker 2: I feel like I've been healthy since I've been eating it,
Speaker 2: like I really. I either eat it by itself or
Speaker 2: with something else, but I probably eat it for almost
Speaker 2: every single meal really yeah, and my food I don't
Speaker 2: get sickos. That's why it's the only every every other food.
Speaker 2: I kind of get like tired of having more than
Speaker 2: three times.
Speaker 1: Well, let's see if this dish can to my favorite list.
Speaker 2: I should If it doesn't. If it doesn't, oh my god,
Speaker 2: I'm gonna feel I'm gonna feel like a monster.
Speaker 1: And let's see. So why don't you start cooking for
Speaker 1: me and then, yes, while you cook for me, take
Speaker 1: me back to what was going on before it became
Speaker 1: your popular favorite dish.
Speaker 2: Let's go on this journey together.
Speaker 1: Yeah, let's go on this journey together.
Speaker 2: All right, go for it, all right, all right, Well
Speaker 2: let's see here, We're gonna go low here. And yes,
Speaker 2: I would reheat this like this all the time because
Speaker 2: I lived at my mom's house and she had and
Speaker 2: then I moved out into a studio with barely a kitchen,
Speaker 2: and ange learnew to eat everything cold. Oh yeah, I
Speaker 2: had ten years without a microwave, and it made me
Speaker 2: appreciate microwaves so much. You just know it in a
Speaker 2: box and it's hot all of a sudden.
Speaker 1: How do you go ten years without a microwave?
Speaker 2: I live ten years in a shoe box bedroom, living room, bathroom, kitchen.
Speaker 2: It was all one room. Well the bathroom was behind
Speaker 2: a door, but yeah, it was a tiny, tiny place.
Speaker 2: I think this is on. Oh yes, it is all right. Okay,
Speaker 2: I'm not a good cook, just letting you know. I
Speaker 2: most of my food has been Uber eats for the
Speaker 2: past four years.
Speaker 1: I feel like most of the guests on our show
Speaker 1: haven't cooked or I mean, in years.
Speaker 2: Well, you know what, it's going to be an experience,
Speaker 2: So I'm just gonna do it the clean way. They
Speaker 2: call this the the good old Brandon flip. You go
Speaker 2: one tooth, okay, all right, and it requires a little
Speaker 2: bit of dancing.
Speaker 1: Do you want those one of those utensil things?
Speaker 2: Okay?
Speaker 1: Oh you know, oh there it goes.
Speaker 2: It worked, yes, And this is a sog cast role.
Speaker 2: We're gonna turn it into a stir frye here. Okay, okay,
Speaker 2: let's see. I'm gonna use this because I think the
Speaker 2: green and the red go well together. Okay, excuse me.
Speaker 1: Oh good, you have a cough. By the way, we
Speaker 1: all have this magic cough that doesn't go away, so
Speaker 1: all y'all listeners gotta beer through it.
Speaker 2: So it basically looks like every gross food food from
Speaker 2: every cartoon. Every time they were like at the lunch
Speaker 2: line and they were like, hey, take your lunch slop,
Speaker 2: it was this ship. Yeah, but I love it because
Speaker 2: there's so much flavor and.
Speaker 1: It smells good.
Speaker 2: It's yeah, it's I don't know what exactly goes into
Speaker 2: I've been eating it all these years. I don't know
Speaker 2: the spices that go into I want to say there's garlic.
Speaker 1: There's definitely curry, curR definitely curryles curry curry.
Speaker 2: Yeah, definitely curry. And depending on what kind of restaurant
Speaker 2: you go to, it could be more or less of
Speaker 2: the but it's generally this is actually very look looks
Speaker 2: like what I have every day. So if it's disgusting,
Speaker 2: fuck me.
Speaker 1: Okay, So it looks healthy. And the cheese, the cheese
Speaker 1: chunks look like chunks are the cheese just actually bite
Speaker 1: into it or doesn't melt pannier cheese.
Speaker 2: It's very specific. It almost the textures almost like tofu it.
Speaker 2: Oh you don't like tofu? I love I love tofu,
Speaker 2: but I love this even more. Really, Yeah, I haven't
Speaker 2: had tofu in a long time, but you don't like tofu.
Speaker 1: I can't stand the texture of it. Really, But you
Speaker 1: know what I'm starting to see. We we have one
Speaker 1: thing that come and you like pickled eggs and tofu
Speaker 1: and I don't like either.
Speaker 2: Oh interesting, you know how I think about it, those
Speaker 2: would go good together. Yeah, I feel like tofu is
Speaker 2: like to me, that's like the future, like scientifically engineered
Speaker 2: to be non offensive food. Food, Like we've engineered a
Speaker 2: white block of gel that will like it feels it's
Speaker 2: the tofu has always been space food to me, so
Speaker 2: I always felt futuristic eating tofu. I hope this is odd.
Speaker 1: It is, but electric sometimes you got to turn it
Speaker 1: up and then turn it down.
Speaker 2: There's an electric stoves. Aren't these incredible? I mean, this
Speaker 2: blows my mind to this day. This looks so cool
Speaker 2: to me. Yeah, that we can do this. I still
Speaker 2: use a gas burner like an asshole.
Speaker 1: That's good. A lot of people love the gas. So
Speaker 1: tell tell me what was going on in the time
Speaker 1: of so.
Speaker 2: I was really going through this craze of like no sugar.
Speaker 2: So I was trying to find the most flavorful foods
Speaker 2: that were easy and cheap and didn't have sugar in them,
Speaker 2: and that that that that, and that wouldn't gross me
Speaker 2: out if I ate them. And this has so much
Speaker 2: flavor in it that it feels like I'm eating in
Speaker 2: a way more than I am, if that makes sense.
Speaker 2: That it doesn't feel like I'm just eating like a
Speaker 2: one thing. But it gives me so much energy, like
Speaker 2: it's basically just pure spinach, and I don't know, like
Speaker 2: I'll eat it before a shoot. I'll eat it and
Speaker 2: when at the time when I discovered this, I would
Speaker 2: go to this Indian restaurant with my friends and we
Speaker 2: would order one dish that we would share, and then
Speaker 2: we'd wait for people to leave, and we would go
Speaker 2: to the tables and because with Indian food, a lot
Speaker 2: of people would just like leave so much of it behind,
Speaker 2: like because it was family style. Yeah, so you just
Speaker 2: have dishes of just food left behind. So we would
Speaker 2: just go to the other tables and just and that's
Speaker 2: how I discovered such.
Speaker 1: Ben here, wait a minute, wait a minute, let me
Speaker 1: get this straight. So you and your friend will order
Speaker 1: one dish, wait till everybody else left the restaurant, and
Speaker 1: go pick out on their leftovers. Yeah, that's pretty awesome.
Speaker 1: I don't think. I'm sure people have thought of doing it,
Speaker 1: but nobody's ever actually done it.
Speaker 2: I also used to dumpster dive a lot. What do
Speaker 2: you mean, Like in college. I would go because they
Speaker 2: would throw food out the grocery store that wasn't it
Speaker 2: was technically expired by the date, but it was still good.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So my friend and I we would call each other
Speaker 2: and we were like, hey, you want to go diving,
Speaker 2: And we would just go diving, and.
Speaker 1: So you could go to a grocery store and the like, yeah.
Speaker 2: We go behind like a Roufs or something and just
Speaker 2: go literally climb into the dumpster. And you'd have to
Speaker 2: be at the end of the day, like I think
Speaker 2: around nine or ten and like around closing time or whatever.
Speaker 2: You know, we would go back there and find a
Speaker 2: lot of it was like carb stuff, so boxes of
Speaker 2: like crackers, bread, those big cookies that would be icing
Speaker 2: on the top. They would get thrown out. Those would
Speaker 2: last for years.
Speaker 1: I feel like, yeah, you know what's so funny. When
Speaker 1: eggs went up, I'm not gonna lie. I started to
Speaker 1: talk to the grocery you know, check out, like yo, like,
Speaker 1: no one's buying your eggs right now, and they'd be like, yo,
Speaker 1: we're throwing them out by the cases out back. And
Speaker 1: I'd be like, if only they could just tell me
Speaker 1: when they were throwing them out, because they I would
Speaker 1: be like, really out back there, let me go around
Speaker 1: back right.
Speaker 2: I'm going to add half of this to the because
Speaker 2: I have the chicken, because a big part of when
Speaker 2: I I was eating this was just I would eat
Speaker 2: the chicken by itself, but I would also throw it
Speaker 2: into here because you could throw chicken in almost everything,
Speaker 2: and so it's always nice to have a can laying
Speaker 2: around because it just adds treats to whatever dish you're cooking.
Speaker 1: Now, a lot of people keep can tuning around. I
Speaker 1: don't know how many people actually keep canned chicken. So
Speaker 1: I'm thoroughly impressed, because I never ever know what to
Speaker 1: do with canned chicken.
Speaker 2: Canned chicken is great, especially because it's well's pre cooked.
Speaker 2: So I would just eat it straight out of the can.
Speaker 2: I would pour the balls in fact, is this.
Speaker 1: Yeah, your balsamic vinegar?
Speaker 2: Oh? Yes, yes, yeah, I you know. I used to
Speaker 2: eat all kinds of foods that were that were like healthy,
Speaker 2: and I would do it unhealthily too. Would I would
Speaker 2: also like at the time, I would starve myself into
Speaker 2: a bunch of stupid things. But hopefully I haven't eaten
Speaker 2: this since I was probably twenty twenty two, twenty three. Okay,
Speaker 2: so it might I might miss be mispremembering it. It
Speaker 2: might taste like pure slamp, but so.
Speaker 1: And then I saw what Brandon just did. It was
Speaker 1: he took the balsamach and put it directly on the chicken.
Speaker 2: Directly on the chicken. We're mixing it in a bowl,
Speaker 2: and it would look Oh that takes me back. Holy shit.
Speaker 2: I'm right there at the desk of the hotel. Welcome,
Speaker 2: Will you be checking in? Are you checking out? I'd
Speaker 2: be sneaking this down here like this. I would always
Speaker 2: have like treats and stuff. I'd have a laptop and
Speaker 2: edit my videos while I was working at the front desk.
Speaker 1: Oh so, while you're working at the front desk of
Speaker 1: a hotel, you would be pursuing your dreams behind the counter.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I mean I couldn't. I mean, if I
Speaker 2: didn't have those dreams, I don't know what I would be.
Speaker 2: I mean, that was the one thing getting me through it. Honestly,
Speaker 2: it felt and it didn't. They didn't feel like dreams
Speaker 2: because dreams implies you want that to be your future.
Speaker 2: And as much as I wanted to be an actor
Speaker 2: and a director, I didn't think that what I was
Speaker 2: doing would directly translate to any form of success. I
Speaker 2: didn't think because at the time, being a YouTuber wasn't
Speaker 2: a lucrative Yeah, that wasn't something anyone sought to be.
Speaker 2: So I did feel like I was wasting time, but
Speaker 2: it felt good because it got me through the day,
Speaker 2: like I would be editing videos as a way to
Speaker 2: get me through an eight eight hours is a long
Speaker 2: fucking time to be doing anything.
Speaker 1: And did you ever get like posh back from your job,
Speaker 1: like where they were like why are you always on
Speaker 1: your computer?
Speaker 2: They were actually very supportive because they it was such
Speaker 2: a shitty job. They were just happy to have someone
Speaker 2: there at the desk for as much as they were
Speaker 2: willing to pay. And no shade on them. I'm still
Speaker 2: friends with the people at that hotel, and but they
Speaker 2: supported it. They watched They even let me film at
Speaker 2: the hotel.
Speaker 1: Really yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: And when you were doing this this footage, were you
Speaker 1: doing it just because you genuinely enjoyed acting and writing
Speaker 1: or were you doing it because.
Speaker 2: I would have paid to do it, let alone get
Speaker 2: paid to do it?
Speaker 1: Really yeah.
Speaker 2: It was the one thing keeping me sane and still is.
Speaker 2: If I if I was put in a shoe hole
Speaker 2: for the rest of my life in Guantanamo Bay, I
Speaker 2: would still find a way to get a camera in
Speaker 2: editing software and just try and make it like no
Speaker 2: matter I mean, if I lose all my limbs, I
Speaker 2: would still try and find a way to.
Speaker 1: Do it like it's and you edit all your stuff
Speaker 1: still today.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I think if you know how to edit,
Speaker 2: you like I think when it comes to video or
Speaker 2: especially scripted stuff like films or TV, if you know
Speaker 2: how to edit, and you know how to write, and
Speaker 2: you know how to direct, you should really do all
Speaker 2: three because you get a really unified a project that's
Speaker 2: really your vision, and other people can see that vision
Speaker 2: and go oh, and then you surround yourself with a
Speaker 2: team of people who also get it because it's so
Speaker 2: specific to what you want. So I mean, because and
Speaker 2: no shade on people who only write or only direct
Speaker 2: or only actor, but if you can do all of them,
Speaker 2: I recommend do it because then you're very few people
Speaker 2: can do two, or let alone three or four of
Speaker 2: those things. So I think as I got older, I
Speaker 2: realized I can do it. My dad encouraged me a lot.
Speaker 2: I had a lot of encouragement, you know, at that time.
Speaker 2: I want to say, this is circa two thousand and nine.
Speaker 2: At this point I started my channel thousand and six,
Speaker 2: So about two thousand and nine I was taking it
Speaker 2: more seriously. I was really trying to build a following
Speaker 2: I hit fifty thousand followers in two thousand. I want
Speaker 2: to say that was twenty ten, twenty eleven. That was
Speaker 2: a huge deal.
Speaker 1: I mean, what was going on through your mind when
Speaker 1: you were.
Speaker 2: We made it? That was? Yeah, it was. I was
Speaker 2: doing a show at the time with my friends. It
Speaker 2: was a scripted series, kind of like The Office, and
Speaker 2: it took place in a classrooms. That's the only location
Speaker 2: we had access to. It was like a college campus.
Speaker 2: So we did a show about theater kids, which we
Speaker 2: were you know, you write what you know. And then
Speaker 2: we and then we got fifty thousand, and we were
Speaker 2: all surrounding the computer watching as it hit fifty thousand,
Speaker 2: and we filmed it on our datus thing at a
Speaker 2: time called a flipcam, and we were filming it on
Speaker 2: the flip camp. It was one of the greatest moments
Speaker 2: of my life. In a fifty thousand today, I mean,
Speaker 2: as any TikToker, that's not even a cumshot of people,
Speaker 2: I can't say that.
Speaker 1: But it's not say it. I love.
Speaker 2: It's nothing today. I mean, but what I'm saying is
Speaker 2: it's something. It really is something. Because we felt like
Speaker 2: we made it a twenty thousand, we felt like stars
Speaker 2: at you know.
Speaker 1: And what were your parents saying when when you were
Speaker 1: like getting hyped over these numbers.
Speaker 2: I don't think it registered. I don't think my my
Speaker 2: dad was always excited from day one. I think it
Speaker 2: took my It took me getting recognized in public in
Speaker 2: front of my mom for her to put some sort
Speaker 2: of tangent ability to it, because up until then it
Speaker 2: was like, you should be focusing on your job, you
Speaker 2: should be focusing on your you know, school. And then
Speaker 2: when I when I started, you know, and when I
Speaker 2: did it full time too, she took it seriously. When
Speaker 2: I was able to no longer. I worked at a
Speaker 2: law firm before I did YouTube full time, and when
Speaker 2: I made that leap, I think she took it a
Speaker 2: lot more seriously.
Speaker 1: Now, was it scary too, Well, at the time before
Speaker 1: you took that leap, like what milestone did you hit
Speaker 1: before you were like, Okay, I'm going I'm going to
Speaker 1: I'm going to do one hundred percent.
Speaker 2: Well, I was at the law firm, I was working
Speaker 2: at the guy running it, the guy in charge, he
Speaker 2: had a very soft spot for comedy writing, and when
Speaker 2: he saw my channel, he encouraged me. And again let
Speaker 2: me film at my work. Wow, And that's when I
Speaker 2: really started. You know, that's Vine. This is about twenty
Speaker 2: this is twenty fifteen. I want to say so Vine
Speaker 2: was really big then and someone took my clips that
Speaker 2: I filmed that his office and it blew up on Vine.
Speaker 2: It's me saying, move, I'm gay, and I say this,
Speaker 2: I move someone out of the way as I'm trying
Speaker 2: to make and it's just like queer's in the workplace.
Speaker 2: And that blew up on Vine and he became aware
Speaker 2: of it blowing up on Vine, and so I'm gonna
Speaker 2: let this go a little bit longer than let's take
Speaker 2: it off. But he called me into his office one
Speaker 2: day and he was like, so, tell me how much
Speaker 2: longer do you have here? And that was the first
Speaker 2: time not only did he talk about my departure going
Speaker 2: to YouTube full time, but he did it in a
Speaker 2: way that wasn't negative and it was supportive. He wasn't like, well,
Speaker 2: how much time to know? He was just like, just
Speaker 2: let me know, so we can start giving you projects
Speaker 2: that you could be done with by the time you
Speaker 2: want to leave. I probably wouldn't be where I'm at
Speaker 2: if it wasn't for him letting me be creative while
Speaker 2: paying my bills so I could live. And that's that's
Speaker 2: the artist struggle in LA. That's everyone's struggle. Is like
Speaker 2: you move out to LA making a living is a
Speaker 2: job in itself, just to be able to pay your rent,
Speaker 2: you know, afford food, and then on top of it,
Speaker 2: become an actor, become or a musician, any kind of
Speaker 2: Most jobs in the industry don't care about your nine
Speaker 2: to five. They all need you on a Tuesday at
Speaker 2: three and then Friday at five, and then weekend at
Speaker 2: three am. So it's like it's hard to walk that
Speaker 2: fine line. And if you're lucky enough to find you know,
Speaker 2: a job that lets you be flexible with your hours,
Speaker 2: I definitely recommend that because the industry, I it doesn't
Speaker 2: it's not nine to five. It's not like you know
Speaker 2: a place that's open and closed. It's like at any
Speaker 2: point you have an audition pop up or you could.
Speaker 2: So he was very limber with me in terms of
Speaker 2: what I was allowed to. He let me work from home.
Speaker 1: And this was before pandemic, before people of four.
Speaker 2: I know, I'm might turn this down.
Speaker 1: It also sounds like and I'm just curious were you
Speaker 1: upfront with these employers, like what you your long term
Speaker 1: goals were, because yeah, I was gonna say, most people
Speaker 1: are afraid because that's usually they'd be like, well, our
Speaker 1: missions aren't aligned, you go find another place work. So
Speaker 1: how did you break it to them that you had
Speaker 1: other passions?
Speaker 2: She was the only one. I broke it to every
Speaker 2: other employer. I just told them that they were my
Speaker 2: long term goal.
Speaker 1: Well what about the hotel? Though you were secretly editing
Speaker 1: on this.
Speaker 2: I was secretly editing, but that was in a long
Speaker 2: term That was like a hobby, you know, and they
Speaker 2: let me do it there and they would give me
Speaker 2: a discount on renting the you know, like spaces in
Speaker 2: the hotel, or I would just do it for I
Speaker 2: would just do it, you know, because I worked night
Speaker 2: on it overnight a lot of times, so I could
Speaker 2: just do stuff overnight and film it there and they
Speaker 2: wouldn't catch me. But yeah, they they never saw it.
Speaker 2: Like and even at that time, that was so early on,
Speaker 2: I don't even know if I considered it at the
Speaker 2: hotel my dream like something I would eventually go.
Speaker 1: It was just something you were just passionately doing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1: And now you're talking you're at the law firm about
Speaker 1: ten It sounds like ten years later you're still doing
Speaker 1: your YouTube, but you're working at this law firm. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And I just want I want to frame references because
Speaker 1: I think whenever people think of influencers, they think overnight.
Speaker 1: You're saying that you're working full time jobs while still
Speaker 1: doing something you're passionate about. Now at this point, are
Speaker 1: you starting to think about monetizing or are you monetizing
Speaker 1: at that.
Speaker 2: Point, I was monetizing. I started monetizing, I think in
Speaker 2: two thousand and nine, but I wasn't making substantially anything
Speaker 2: I was. I would have to find odd jobs to
Speaker 2: keep the lights on, even outside of the law firm.
Speaker 2: Like the law firm was a great full time job,
Speaker 2: but I still wasn't making.
Speaker 4: Enough, like yeah, support of something in La in La,
Speaker 4: Oh my god, it's so And I lived in I
Speaker 4: lived in Koreatown, so like nowhere was close to get to,
Speaker 4: you know, gas was so expensive because you killed half
Speaker 4: your tank just finding the nearest freeway, and and so
Speaker 4: it was.
Speaker 2: It was really it was tough. I had to do
Speaker 2: a lot of commercials for places. I would would film
Speaker 2: commercials for all kinds of businesses because I could write
Speaker 2: and edit.
Speaker 1: And so, like you would knock on their door and
Speaker 1: be like, hey, I'll do your commercial for you, or
Speaker 1: did you well.
Speaker 2: A lot of it eventually became word of mouth. I
Speaker 2: would do a commercial for someone and they'd refer me
Speaker 2: to their you know friend who also runs a different company,
Speaker 2: and they would need a commercial. So I started doing
Speaker 2: these really cheap and easy commercials because I could film something,
Speaker 2: edit it. I could even cast the commercial because I
Speaker 2: you know, wow La casting accounts. So I would just
Speaker 2: find actors, and many of them I still talk to
Speaker 2: today and work with in my videos. And so every
Speaker 2: little odd job I did in a way was training
Speaker 2: for what I do now. It was a way of
Speaker 2: me doing video work in some way. At the law firm,
Speaker 2: I did video work for them. I'd go to clients'
Speaker 2: houses and interview clients who like broke their ankles, and
Speaker 2: we'd show the video to the jury and.
Speaker 1: Try, is that actually what you did for the law firm.
Speaker 2: I did anything relating to video. Anything regarding video I
Speaker 2: did for.
Speaker 1: Them now was your job.
Speaker 2: Yeah. So I'd do their commercials. I would do like depositions,
Speaker 2: I would anything that needed to be filmed, I would
Speaker 2: film it, and it eventually kind of led me into
Speaker 2: doing videos that were in the same format but for YouTube,
Speaker 2: because then eventually I got known for doing these like
Speaker 2: documentary format exposees on a day in the life of
Speaker 2: a character, So like b roll footage of just them living,
Speaker 2: you know, a day in their life, cut with like
Speaker 2: interviews like in the office or something, you know, talking
Speaker 2: about who they are and what they stand for.
Speaker 1: Oh, kind of like the office set up. Okay, okay, yes,
Speaker 1: So I.
Speaker 2: Found that format at the law firm, and then I
Speaker 2: kind of translated that in my videos and and and
Speaker 2: uh I still do that today, and I still keep
Speaker 2: in touch with everyone at the law firm as well,
Speaker 2: because there, you know, I was there for three years
Speaker 2: and so I was very close with a lot of.
Speaker 1: I'm okay, service up. Yeah, So your dish looks legit.
Speaker 2: It's you know, I can't say I cooked it, but
Speaker 2: it looks like I did some. Yeah, and this might
Speaker 2: get everywhere. I'm so sorry if it does.
Speaker 1: As long as it doesn't splash on me, I'm good.
Speaker 2: Okay, it looks good, all right, And I have the
Speaker 2: rest of it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I have it.
Speaker 2: Here it goes.
Speaker 1: Have fun because this definitely looks like what you described
Speaker 1: the classroom, the cafeteria. It looks like something that my
Speaker 1: dog would you know, it just is.
Speaker 2: Your dog cute. I'm gonna have some of this.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm gonna I'm gonna do whatever you do.
Speaker 2: So you're telling me about your I.
Speaker 1: Was just describing this meal through my dog, and you
Speaker 1: don't want to know how I was describing it. But
Speaker 1: do you mix it in?
Speaker 2: No? Well, I was already chicken mixed in there. This
Speaker 2: is just like the salad chicken.
Speaker 1: Okay, so we're going to test the balsamic canned chicken.
Speaker 1: Just playing here we go.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, it takes me back.
Speaker 1: Don't know what I know. The camera caught my face
Speaker 1: on that one.
Speaker 2: Was it not a good face?
Speaker 1: I didn't see it was one of those Oh wait,
Speaker 1: passed me the balsomac. I don't know if I can
Speaker 1: taste it.
Speaker 5: Oh my god.
Speaker 1: I used to eat this.
Speaker 2: Yeah, used to the sepreneur.
Speaker 1: Do you see I just drowned it in balstomic Hold on,
Speaker 1: you know you are a perfect guest for this show.
Speaker 1: I really believe you were broken at some point.
Speaker 2: I don't eat anymore, but I don't hate it either.
Speaker 1: Kudos do you? Man?
Speaker 2: I was actually I was actually broke them back then.
Speaker 2: I really I was digging through my night span for
Speaker 2: one dollar bills for all.
Speaker 1: Right, here we go, I'm gonna try the I'll try
Speaker 1: it too, Okay, what do you think I'll go down
Speaker 1: with the sogne alight, it's good. I want to try
Speaker 1: it with the chicken mix. The naked chicken is is
Speaker 1: much better, much better, And I really like it with
Speaker 1: the chicken.
Speaker 2: And sometimes with lamb or beef you could like substitute
Speaker 2: put other stuff in it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a great dish. It's a great dish, and
Speaker 1: I love it with the balsamic chicken. I would not
Speaker 1: recommend for any listeners to eat it the way Brandon
Speaker 1: was eating it when he was broke. The plain chicken
Speaker 1: in the balsamic vinegar is not what I would recommend them.
Speaker 1: Taste wise.
Speaker 2: Well, I love about Indian food is it's it's one
Speaker 2: of the cuisines that's just as healthy as it is flavor.
Speaker 2: Folder's so much flavor, and there's seeing this and it's
Speaker 2: very good for you.
Speaker 1: Now a lot of the listeners don't know, but I
Speaker 1: did get non bread, and I do feel like if
Speaker 1: you had non bread with this, it would be so
Speaker 1: much better. Yeah, it is.
Speaker 2: I would on like they're kind of made for each other,
Speaker 2: you know, because you can eat it like a taco.
Speaker 2: You could dip it. There's so many varieties of how to.
Speaker 1: Eat the Should I try the cheese just just to take.
Speaker 2: One throe it is to but it is good. Here
Speaker 2: we go.
Speaker 1: Wait, is that the cheese or the chicken? No, that's
Speaker 1: the cheese.
Speaker 2: Squear one is the cheese.
Speaker 1: Oh it's good. It's really good.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I don't know why I was like expecting. First of all,
Speaker 1: I don't know if this is like tofu texture. You
Speaker 1: don't think so I kind of was, but it kind
Speaker 1: of reminds me of like mozzarella cheese texture, you know,
Speaker 1: like when you buy the mozzarella cheese sticks.
Speaker 2: You're right, I see that as well.
Speaker 1: So that's just great dish, hm, a great dish, acquired
Speaker 1: taste dish for all listeners.
Speaker 2: It's good for you, and let me tell you, it's
Speaker 2: good for your digestion. It's good.
Speaker 1: That's what I was going to say. Yeah, if you
Speaker 1: haven't any type of issue like this, I'm pretty sure
Speaker 1: you're fine, O tap.
Speaker 2: It looks like this going in smooth stale.
Speaker 1: So you're doing these videos, can you tell me, like,
Speaker 1: what was the check that monetized? What was your first
Speaker 1: monetization check?
Speaker 2: So the first check was several months of build up
Speaker 2: of me like I was earning money, but I wasn't.
Speaker 2: I couldn't find it for some reason. I took me
Speaker 2: three months to get my first check. So that first
Speaker 2: check was I want to say it was close to
Speaker 2: two thousand dollars. But this was over like several.
Speaker 1: Months of doing and this is a couple of years
Speaker 1: into your platform or this.
Speaker 2: Was around two thousand and eight, two thousand and nine,
Speaker 2: somewhere around there. And so the first thing I did
Speaker 2: was I bought plane tickets and I just flew to
Speaker 2: places and I would find and get this. It was
Speaker 2: I'm lucky, I'm still alive. I would stay at fans houses.
Speaker 2: I didn't have a lot of fans back then, but
Speaker 2: there were some people that you know, that watched me,
Speaker 2: and I would get in touch with them and they say, hey,
Speaker 2: if you're ever in Chicago, you know, and I'd be like, hey,
Speaker 2: I'm going to Chicago. Can I and that's how I
Speaker 2: would I wouldn't pay for hotels. I would stay at
Speaker 2: strangers houses who knew me from the internet.
Speaker 1: And did you did you become actual friends with them or.
Speaker 2: Yeah, A lot of them I still talk to to
Speaker 2: this day. One of them I met at an airport
Speaker 2: in Illinois and we went on a road trip and
Speaker 2: drove all the way down to I want to say, Kentucky. Yeah,
Speaker 2: we went to Oh.
Speaker 1: My gosh, you're alive. You know what, though, I had
Speaker 1: another guest do that too. They like where their fans were,
Speaker 1: and their fans kind of held them down.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't recommend that. I was very stupid when
Speaker 2: I did that. I did so many stupid things. And
Speaker 2: back then, they didn't have map quests. So we went
Speaker 2: on this road trip. I mean, they didn't have like
Speaker 2: like navigation, you know, not even Garman was really a
Speaker 2: thing back then. So we would have to call this
Speaker 2: hot line and it would you would just tell them
Speaker 2: where you were, and it was automated and it would
Speaker 2: just say, like press one when you get to this intersection.
Speaker 2: So you'd be driving okay one boop okay. In three miles,
Speaker 2: your turn right. And that's how we had to do
Speaker 2: our shit back then, and then while you were waiting
Speaker 2: you had to listen to ads play, so you were
Speaker 2: just like listening to an ad and then oh, one,
Speaker 2: we're here at the thing, and so yeah, that was
Speaker 2: that was not fun. But yeah, all right, I that
Speaker 2: was my first check, my first check. I just I
Speaker 2: blew it all on travel.
Speaker 1: And then how long did it take for your next
Speaker 1: check to come?
Speaker 2: It was so I think it was a few months
Speaker 2: after that because I wouldn't pay you unless it was
Speaker 2: over a certain amount. When was it was like five
Speaker 2: hundred dollars, No, one hundred dollars.
Speaker 1: Oh wow.
Speaker 2: So I didn't get paid until it was like months.
Speaker 2: That was in the winter time, and I was going
Speaker 2: on all those flights, so like summer rolls around and
Speaker 2: like finally my next check comes in, it's like one
Speaker 2: hundred and ten dollars, and so that was that was
Speaker 2: not fun. But so it didn't it didn't feel like
Speaker 2: I was even though I was an official partner at
Speaker 2: the time, I didn't feel like that. It felt like, oh,
Speaker 2: I'm getting these little thank yous every few times a
Speaker 2: year that are just like that. But it wasn't. It
Speaker 2: wasn't until probably twenty fifteen that I was actually making
Speaker 2: money on YouTube.
Speaker 1: And then what was that check? If you don't, mommy.
Speaker 2: Asked, I honestly don't remember, but I do remember. I
Speaker 2: quit my job when I was making enough per month.
Speaker 2: I was like topping the job.
Speaker 1: Oh, you were making it more than your actual day job. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's smart. Okay. You didn't think like compounding. You were like,
Speaker 1: I'm out of here.
Speaker 2: Yeah. And then I started an LLC, which I put
Speaker 2: all my money into, and I kept my salary to
Speaker 2: this day, my salary, my personal salary is the same
Speaker 2: as when I worked at the law firm, just to
Speaker 2: like keep it cat.
Speaker 1: Oh, so you you. I love this and I want
Speaker 1: everyone to listen to this because a lot of people
Speaker 1: don't know to do this. But he created an LLC,
Speaker 1: And then did you put yourself on like a payroll,
Speaker 1: like an ADP payroll. I do that. I personally do
Speaker 1: that a lot of people. I tell people to do
Speaker 1: that all the time. Oh yes, And I keep my
Speaker 1: salary still the same and very low. I literally only
Speaker 1: pay myself like sixty K a year on my salary,
Speaker 1: and I do an escorp. I don't do LLC.
Speaker 2: Oh.
Speaker 1: I love escorps. I'm a super fan freak of an escorp.
Speaker 2: It sounds more elite an escort.
Speaker 1: Well, it's the way when you do your tax at
Speaker 1: the end of the year, it breaks down a lot better.
Speaker 1: You end up saving more money with the escort because
Speaker 1: you do a draw. You do a draw, so it'll
Speaker 1: be your salary plus your profit and then you pay
Speaker 1: the taxes. I love it. That's how I do it.
Speaker 1: I start, I always start as a C corp, but
Speaker 1: usually I end up as an escorp in the end.
Speaker 1: Most accountants will push you towards it, and my biggest
Speaker 1: regret was not turning into an escorps sooner. So now
Speaker 1: I just up front, I'm like corp escort es corp.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, so you should talk to your account about it,
Speaker 1: by the way, it yeah yeah, yeah, I'm all. When
Speaker 1: I have consultations with my accountant, it's very thorough. I
Speaker 1: ask a lot of questions because when I was twenty one,
Speaker 1: I got like leans on my stuff from my first business,
Speaker 1: and then I learned that the state of California is
Speaker 1: a lot meaner than irs.
Speaker 2: Oh damn.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Well they don't play.
Speaker 2: I'm I mean, I just tell my I tell my
Speaker 2: accountant just figure it out for me.
Speaker 1: Oh no, I don't. I think I used to do that,
Speaker 1: and then when I got in trouble, I said, no,
Speaker 1: explain everything, and and now I do my own p
Speaker 1: and ls, like I manage everything. Well, now I'm not
Speaker 1: gonna lie. A new hack I do is I get
Speaker 1: the AMX credit card. AMEX has a good credit card,
Speaker 1: but most credit cards they break down your financial statements
Speaker 1: like into like transportation or whatever at the end of
Speaker 1: the year, and you could turn that whole file over
Speaker 1: to your account and save a ton of money. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: So I put everything on the AMEX and then it
Speaker 1: breaks it down at the end of the year. I
Speaker 1: take the whole file give it to the account.
Speaker 2: This year, we just started doing AMX for oh for
Speaker 2: different reasons. I was using another card and that was
Speaker 2: it was what we shoot looks so fraudulent on our record,
Speaker 2: like the way like you know, you buy like five
Speaker 2: hundred dollars of fake blood or whatever and then like
Speaker 2: venmo fifty people for what I It's just on record,
Speaker 2: it's like, what the hell were you doing? But no,
Speaker 2: AMEX has been a life saver, and they did not
Speaker 2: pay for this interview. As far as I know, they don't.
Speaker 1: They don't, They actually don't know. I wish I had
Speaker 1: some AMX sponsors. Hello, shout us out right. So then
Speaker 1: so now, so at this point, you're now fully supporting yourself.
Speaker 1: I want to backcheck to something you said earlier. Yes,
Speaker 1: when it came to doing your editing, because I know
Speaker 1: there's certain I try to learn a little bit about
Speaker 1: every part of my company, especially because when I'm hiring
Speaker 1: for that department, I hate to assume that job's really easy.
Speaker 1: They don't know what they talk about. They try to overcharge.
Speaker 1: I think it's so important to like know enough about
Speaker 1: a role to respect everyone's position, really thoroughly respect their
Speaker 1: position in the company. And so, but editing is one
Speaker 1: of those things where I'm like, I don't want to
Speaker 1: add another thing to my thing. But for you, was
Speaker 1: editing something that was like a pain area and you
Speaker 1: were just like I'm gonna do it or was it
Speaker 1: something you were always passionate about.
Speaker 2: At a glance, if I were to line up all
Speaker 2: the job the main like divisions of what it takes
Speaker 2: to pull off a production, editing certainly seems like the
Speaker 2: most daunting. It seems like the one you need the
Speaker 2: most training for. It seems like something you to figure
Speaker 2: out what software and then foot you're working with all
Speaker 2: virtually all the other departments. I learned editing first before
Speaker 2: I learned anything else, and I even then I knew
Speaker 2: that if I can learn editing, all everything else is easy.
Speaker 2: You know, everything else is. I can learn how to
Speaker 2: do makeup, I can learn to act, I can learn
Speaker 2: to write, I can learn to and a lot of
Speaker 2: those things I already liked doing, especially because I was gay.
Speaker 2: I loved makeup and costumes and wigs and acting and
Speaker 2: being loud and being a kooky guy, and so that
Speaker 2: was all something I love to do. And when I
Speaker 2: realized how easy editing is, because it really is a
Speaker 2: lot easier in my opinion than it looks. I learned
Speaker 2: on iMovie in two thousand.
Speaker 1: I remember iMovie, Yeah, okay.
Speaker 2: And I learned on iMovie and get this to this day,
Speaker 2: I still use eyemovie if it's on a special effects shot,
Speaker 2: it's done an iMovie. Wow. And it's advanced a lot
Speaker 2: over the years, but not much. I mean, the interface
Speaker 2: is still pretty simple.
Speaker 1: Do you ever edit on your phone or you just
Speaker 1: edit on your laptop?
Speaker 2: If it's like a social post, like a TikTok, I'll
Speaker 2: edit on my phone. But I like to edit on
Speaker 2: the computer. There's just something nice about sitting down and
Speaker 2: spending time with an edit comfortably, with a coffee at
Speaker 2: your side, a joint in the other hand. And but
Speaker 2: I I personally love editing. You know, you see people
Speaker 2: playing video games and they get glued to their couch
Speaker 2: for hours. Whatever's flaring in their brain at that time.
Speaker 2: That's that's going off in my head. When I edit,
Speaker 2: it's at that same addiction of like, you know, you're
Speaker 2: because a video game, you're building, you're building, and then
Speaker 2: you have a save point and then you get up
Speaker 2: and go get lunch. It's like editing. You have a
Speaker 2: say okay, I got all this done. Okay, this is
Speaker 2: a good break point, but you go. It feels like
Speaker 2: I'm having fun when it's something that I would have otherwise.
Speaker 2: You know, paid someone to do editing is something I
Speaker 2: really like because you're you're having the final say at
Speaker 2: the comedic timing of which take you get to use
Speaker 2: all that are Those are fun choices for me to make.
Speaker 1: No, do you consider yourself. I know when I introduced
Speaker 1: you as said comedian, writer, act or all all these writer, actor, comedian,
Speaker 1: But the one thing I didn't say was entrepreneur. But
Speaker 1: do you consider yourself an entrepreneur?
Speaker 2: I do. When I think of entrepreneur, I think as
Speaker 2: something more of like selling a physical product or someone
Speaker 2: who like creates some but anyone who has very few,
Speaker 2: if any people to thank, you know, for all of
Speaker 2: the found you know, fundamental. I mean, we all have
Speaker 2: people to think, but ultimately, like you've built your business.
Speaker 2: I've built my business. People who who where the business
Speaker 2: they spent years building. I had some music entrepreneur or
Speaker 2: someone who you know, got to create something that, you know,
Speaker 2: especially if pays the bills. That's the American dream. And
Speaker 2: so I I never say the word entrepreneur. If anything,
Speaker 2: I'll say comedian. Okay, because if everything else fails, if
Speaker 2: every if the world goes to shit and you know whatever,
Speaker 2: I like to think that at least I'll still have
Speaker 2: my of humor and at least I'm still So I
Speaker 2: don't know, and kind of the ability to be a
Speaker 2: comedian kind of funnels into everything else I do, into
Speaker 2: the editing, into the social media.
Speaker 1: And you also do tours, yes, and to that too.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so I do live as characters. I go around
Speaker 2: the country and I perform at different I do like
Speaker 2: an hour long like seminar as like a character to
Speaker 2: my audience, and it's very interactive and I get to
Speaker 2: meet my fans up close.
Speaker 1: And then do you actually set up your whole tour
Speaker 1: or do you have a team that does it for me?
Speaker 2: I have a team. Yeah, I'm with Levity Talent and
Speaker 2: they are titans in the comedy scene. They they've been
Speaker 2: angels to me since two thousand and seventeen sixteen. I've
Speaker 2: been with them for quite a while, so yeah, they
Speaker 2: kind of they'll, you know, help craft the whole thing,
Speaker 2: and they send me out in the road and they
Speaker 2: always take care of me.
Speaker 1: Oh awesome. And then you said that you still live
Speaker 1: on the same salary.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Now I'm curious when you say you still live on
Speaker 1: the same soule. Is it because you budget well or
Speaker 1: is it because you offset some of your expenses to
Speaker 1: your business.
Speaker 2: It's a little of both. I mean, so much of
Speaker 2: what I spend, so much of what I spend money
Speaker 2: on is my whole life is my work. I really
Speaker 2: I live very minimally. I don't nothing that I own
Speaker 2: at home is super lavish. I drive like a Honda,
Speaker 2: and I'm not anything I spend money on. Usually it's
Speaker 2: for the videos, and so I don't know, I would
Speaker 2: just rather put my dollars and cents in front of
Speaker 2: the camera rather than you know, having a really nice,
Speaker 2: you know, trailer to be in when I'm not filming,
Speaker 2: or having a really nice house or something.
Speaker 1: But you're living your purpose, So I would feel like
Speaker 1: you in even meeting you and getting to know you,
Speaker 1: and it seems like you're much more into like your purpose,
Speaker 1: your vision what I guess you're painting the world you
Speaker 1: want to see when you're creating, right, you're a creator.
Speaker 2: It's I feel like the world that I create is
Speaker 2: a reflection of the world that I see. A lot
Speaker 2: of the cares and settings are a mirror, a twisted,
Speaker 2: warped like circus mirror version of what was real life.
Speaker 2: And uh, I don't know. I ultimately just want to
Speaker 2: be a place at the end of the day for
Speaker 2: people to come to and kind of get lost in.
Speaker 2: It's for me, I get lost in scripted content quite
Speaker 2: a bit, you know, more than reality I get, you know,
Speaker 2: I love being told a story, So I try to
Speaker 2: be that on YouTube. There aren't a lot of scripted
Speaker 2: things on YouTube these days, and you know, I really
Speaker 2: try and encourage people to do more scripted stuff that
Speaker 2: it's still like a really fun and creative medium of entertainment.
Speaker 1: Do you ever keep up with Country Wayne? Do you
Speaker 1: ever see his stuff? His stuff?
Speaker 2: No, I live under a rock though I rarely scroll.
Speaker 2: But is it? Is it pretty fast?
Speaker 1: I mean it's pretty good. But I will say this,
Speaker 1: like some of the checks that they like people have
Speaker 1: mentioned on the show about like some of the YouTube
Speaker 1: checks that they're getting. I will say that sometimes I
Speaker 1: wonder if YouTube's paying you, say two hundred three hundred
Speaker 1: thousand or whatever. You got to wonder at some point
Speaker 1: what the real value you're at, right, because YouTube's only
Speaker 1: paying you percentage. And I don't know if that's the
Speaker 1: me listening too much jay Z, because right way, if
Speaker 1: YouTube's cutting you at check with two hundred thousand, how
Speaker 1: much is this foot it's really worth?
Speaker 2: Right? Right? And and honestly it's doys worth as much
Speaker 2: as it's watched. Honestly, you know, people, and every year
Speaker 2: it feels like you know you're you're kind of encouraged,
Speaker 2: not just from YouTube but from every platform. You're kind
Speaker 2: of encouraged a new set of guidelines. I mean, before
Speaker 2: they were pushing longer form content, and now it's all
Speaker 2: about how short the content can be. I just firmly
Speaker 2: believe as long as it's good, it'll stand the test
Speaker 2: of time. I've had videos that I made over a
Speaker 2: decade ago that I still think are really good, and
Speaker 2: over time they found the love they deserve. They didn't
Speaker 2: blow up in their time, but over all these years,
Speaker 2: they you know, they found their audience, and I'm so
Speaker 2: glad I took the time to make sure it was good.
Speaker 2: Whether the video is short or long, I'm glad it
Speaker 2: was good. And a lot of people will mold their
Speaker 2: content around what the algorithm wants. Currently. Yeah, and that's
Speaker 2: great for right now. Maybe you'll get a big surge
Speaker 2: in the first week or two, you know, but I
Speaker 2: don't think that, you know, I would rather leave behind
Speaker 2: a legacy of work that I am proud of and
Speaker 2: would want to show people then like really make it
Speaker 2: bend around an algorithm request at that time. Now, is
Speaker 2: that to say that I don't try and make the
Speaker 2: algorithm happy. No, I definitely try and suck it to
Speaker 2: dick as much as I can.
Speaker 1: How are you able to keep up with sorry, how
Speaker 1: are you able to keep up with the algorithm rules?
Speaker 1: Like how do you how do you keep up with
Speaker 1: the like how are you doing that?
Speaker 2: And not suffer burnout all that time? I'm gonna have
Speaker 2: more of this chicken. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I love that you're eating in everything.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Yeah, it's hard. There are weeks where I feel
Speaker 2: burnt out. There are weeks where I'm sad or physically
Speaker 2: tired or you know, and you still have to be
Speaker 2: funny and then you still have to put on the
Speaker 2: costume and still have to especially when you're working with
Speaker 2: so many people, have a lot of actors and crew
Speaker 2: that were you know, if we have a date book,
Speaker 2: I'm not going to push back the date because I
Speaker 2: just was in a bad mood that day, you know.
Speaker 2: So there is a level of like leave your shit
Speaker 2: at the door and just do the job. And it
Speaker 2: can really feel sometimes, especially when it's like a bigger production,
Speaker 2: you know, and it takes weeks to shoot before you
Speaker 2: see any kind of like audience appreciation for it. It
Speaker 2: can just feel like you're just making something that you know,
Speaker 2: and you know, we do get we do get pampered
Speaker 2: with instant gratification. So if I'm working on a production
Speaker 2: more than three weeks, it feels like it's been forever.
Speaker 2: No one's gonna you know, I haven't seen my audience
Speaker 2: hasn't seen me in a year. So it can be
Speaker 2: tough to staying focused and driven to just finish a project,
Speaker 2: get it done, and upload it. Because another thing that's
Speaker 2: kind of demotivating is that there isn't really a celebration
Speaker 2: for anything. When it comes out. People will watch it
Speaker 2: as you know, a surge of comments in the first
Speaker 2: few days, but then immediately it's like, Okay, what's next.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And that can be yea yeah.
Speaker 2: Especially as an artist. If you're a vlog or whatever,
Speaker 2: you're just filming your life. But even that takes editing,
Speaker 2: that takes work. You pour your heart and soul into
Speaker 2: a video and then people just watch it, digested, shit
Speaker 2: it out and want the next thing. Yeah, that's demotivating
Speaker 2: for an artist because it's like, when you're getting excited
Speaker 2: for the next idea you're part of, you starts to
Speaker 2: think about after it's released and how short lived that
Speaker 2: victory will feel. It's not like a live performance e
Speaker 2: there where you hear the laughter. You know, there's no
Speaker 2: sense of did they like it? The comments say sick, lol, cool,
Speaker 2: but it's like did they enjoy it. I'll watch the
Speaker 2: reaction videos, so people will do reaction videos and I'll
Speaker 2: watch those and you can see where they laugh and
Speaker 2: it's like having a focus group and you could see
Speaker 2: which parts maybe they were bored, which parts they were
Speaker 2: interested in. So that helps a lot.
Speaker 1: Now, when you're doing all these productions, do you do
Speaker 1: you see yourself long term wise? Like going on a
Speaker 1: major network. You know, you have to feel like you're
Speaker 1: you're almost training for the Olympics at this point. You know,
Speaker 1: by the time you get to a major network, you're
Speaker 1: going to be like this, four episodes in the can
Speaker 1: in a month. You know, it's like working for p Diddy,
Speaker 1: but you're you know when you're when you're doing what
Speaker 1: you're doing.
Speaker 2: The dream really is Netflix or any kind of or
Speaker 2: a twenty four have some kind of a platform that's
Speaker 2: known for letting creators be creators. I would love that,
Speaker 2: But in my experience, a lot of networks love getting
Speaker 2: their hands in there, and they're usually people that are
Speaker 2: several decades older, have zero life, you know, there's no
Speaker 2: overlap in experience with and so you know, I did
Speaker 2: a show called Magic fun House, and that was a
Speaker 2: goddamn nightmare, but it was I it was my first show,
Speaker 2: like actual show. You know. It's the only thing that
Speaker 2: Hollywood really recognizes like a legit production that I've done
Speaker 2: because it was done by super DeLux, which is ran
Speaker 2: by the guy that ran a division of CBS. It's
Speaker 2: had TV blood in it. They gave me money for
Speaker 2: us for two seasons of a show, and it is
Speaker 2: on record the most watched show on the network before
Speaker 2: the network went under. But oh, it was nothing but pushback.
Speaker 2: It was nothing but just I would come up with
Speaker 2: a script, or I would come up with a concept
Speaker 2: for every episode. They would approve these concepts, and then
Speaker 2: I would spend weeks writing these episodes out, and then
Speaker 2: they would look at them and go, we can't afford this,
Speaker 2: we can't afford this, we can't afford this, And so
Speaker 2: then I'm having And they would expect these cuts made
Speaker 2: to the script in like a small fraction of the time,
Speaker 2: cuts that wouldn't require you to fundamentally change the story
Speaker 2: and we only have weeks away. You're only allowed to
Speaker 2: have this many actors per episode, You're only allowed to
Speaker 2: have this many locations per episode. So now everything I
Speaker 2: make is kind of a little bit to spite them,
Speaker 2: because I love making stuff that has a myriad. Every
Speaker 2: new location I have a scene take place in is
Speaker 2: a middle finger to them, being like, oh, here's a
Speaker 2: new if I want time. Wrote a scene in a bedroom,
Speaker 2: and they did. They wanted me to cut it because
Speaker 2: they would have to build the set to the bedroom.
Speaker 2: I'm like, just go to someone's apart to find it. Nope,
Speaker 2: because this show had to be done by the books,
Speaker 2: like it has to be done in studio. That's a
Speaker 2: company move. We can't bring our we can't bring our
Speaker 2: craft food services, we can't bring our set, medic to
Speaker 2: this apartment. Like don't. I'm not. I don't want them
Speaker 2: to know, but what we have to so we're just
Speaker 2: gonna keep So they had to build, They've built.
Speaker 1: So I have to experience that. Would you I would?
Speaker 1: I would assume you like your freedom more.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, and and and I've heard the same thing
Speaker 2: from from other people who have kind of merged with
Speaker 2: a big network and has to you know, have to
Speaker 2: produce under a bunch of you know, old rich white men.
Speaker 2: You know that that I think they know better for
Speaker 2: your art than you do. Is a nightmare because what
Speaker 2: a lot of times they'll let you get creative enough,
Speaker 2: and then when they start seeing it materialize and realize
Speaker 2: how much it's gonna cost, that's when they start getting
Speaker 2: That's when they start getting creative.
Speaker 5: You know what I mean, Like, wait a minute, wait
Speaker 5: the way.
Speaker 2: And those people, like a good executive really stays out
Speaker 2: of the If y'all can agree on a number, that's great,
Speaker 2: but you know that the number kept changing and during
Speaker 2: production and all of a sudden we couldn't afford things.
Speaker 2: I showed up to set one day and there's all
Speaker 2: these other actors getting in hair and makeup, and I said,
Speaker 2: who are these people? And they're like, oh, these we
Speaker 2: We actually found some extra room in the budget, so
Speaker 2: we got you some extras for the scene. I said,
Speaker 2: this scene doesn't require extras. We had to send them all.
Speaker 1: Home because it was and they had already paid.
Speaker 2: For it, already paid for it. The money was just
Speaker 2: going out of everyone's asshole on that project. So and
Speaker 2: and uh, it was just nothing but tension between me
Speaker 2: and the execs on that show. And in season two
Speaker 2: I made the whole story about like evil executives, and
Speaker 2: anytime there's an executive in my videos are usually pretty
Speaker 2: imposing and evil. And it definitely is sort of my
Speaker 2: own reminder of like, remember this is the experience you
Speaker 2: had with them, But I don't know that was the
Speaker 2: very isolated, uh, you know experience. Ever since then, I've
Speaker 2: had nothing but amazing experiences with larger production. I'm kind
Speaker 2: of glad that I had that first really you know, yeah,
Speaker 2: tough experience, but it was. Yeah, it put things in
Speaker 2: perspective in terms of what my dreams are in terms
Speaker 2: of do I want. Is being on a network production
Speaker 2: the end all? Is it the ultimate thing to achieve?
Speaker 2: Or is working on a production that gets just as
Speaker 2: many if not more views with less money, you know,
Speaker 2: with making it with your friends without these restrictions. I mean,
Speaker 2: it is kind of a I never would have thought
Speaker 2: that making YouTube videos would be more enjoyable than doing
Speaker 2: like a television production, but from my experience, it really
Speaker 2: is like a fun way to just get your creative
Speaker 2: juices out of you without having to run them through
Speaker 2: a whole company to say it's okay.
Speaker 1: Now, your journey was long, and I feel like I've
Speaker 1: touched on more of the more fun sides of it.
Speaker 1: I'm curious what a journey as long as it is,
Speaker 1: What were your personal demons that a lot of people
Speaker 1: weren't privy to to getting to where you are.
Speaker 2: My body weight is the first, second, and third thing
Speaker 2: that was the biggest. Every day I'd wake up hating myself.
Speaker 2: I'd go to bed hating myself. Strictly, it was all
Speaker 2: strictly physical. It wasn't you know I And it sucks
Speaker 2: because I really thought at the time, I was like,
Speaker 2: I have the ability to write these beautiful stories and
Speaker 2: these amazing, you know, characters, and I kind of that
Speaker 2: was my escape, was living in these this fictitious world
Speaker 2: of these characters that I would create, because in the
Speaker 2: real world, I didn't feel like pretty enough or good
Speaker 2: looking enough. I didn't feel like, you know, a lot
Speaker 2: of people would get big just being cute, and I
Speaker 2: didn't have that ability. So I felt this pressure to
Speaker 2: to really work harder on my art. So there was
Speaker 2: always this resentment on my body weight because I'm like, well,
Speaker 2: maybe if I was just thinner, I wouldn't have to
Speaker 2: work so hard, and I would. I had so many
Speaker 2: eating disorders, like so I would starve myself. I would binge,
Speaker 2: I would make myself throw up. I would I did everything.
Speaker 2: I would eat this shit.
Speaker 1: Now you ate this not just because you were broke,
Speaker 1: but because you were also trying to stay lean.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it's it's a very deep psychological thing
Speaker 2: that I've been battling my whole life. Is just my
Speaker 2: body image. In school, I was constantly made fun of
Speaker 2: for my body weight. I remember in Pe we had
Speaker 2: to weigh ourselves every semester. We had to weigh ourselves
Speaker 2: in front of all the other boys, and we'd get
Speaker 2: up on the scale and he would the jim tsher
Speaker 2: would shout off the weight to someone else logging it
Speaker 2: in a book, so everyone knew what everyone weighed. And
Speaker 2: I was one sixty at eleven years old, and that
Speaker 2: was my nickname for the rest of the year. It
Speaker 2: was one sixty.
Speaker 1: Oh woweah, yeah, so that's where that can definitely.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it put me in a really unhealthy place that
Speaker 2: made me obsess over my body, and much of it
Speaker 2: still is stuff I'm dealing with today.
Speaker 1: But because I was going to say you're very lean,
Speaker 1: You're very I would say more on the well, I
Speaker 1: don't want to say, but like on the slimmer side, right.
Speaker 2: Thank you, Well I would have. I mean, i'd be
Speaker 2: very happy to hear that. A long time ago, and
Speaker 2: I am still happy. I work hard and I eat healthy.
Speaker 2: I worked out every day. But it's from a lot
Speaker 2: of mental illness, Like it's from a lot of just
Speaker 2: me hating my own body for so many years. And
Speaker 2: I do think I have a lot of like there's
Speaker 2: an element of body dysmorphic disorder where all you know,
Speaker 2: I look in a mirror and I'm kind of reminded subtly, like, oh,
Speaker 2: I'm to this day, I'll still expect to see someone
Speaker 2: who looks like how I looked.
Speaker 1: So like, when you look in the mirror, you don't
Speaker 1: necessarily see yourself, or do you do you just think
Speaker 1: back on what you felt like you looked like before.
Speaker 2: It's that I'm reminded, Oh, yeah, that's right, that's what
Speaker 2: I look like like. I look at myself in a
Speaker 2: mirror and I'm like, oh, yeah, that's what I look
Speaker 2: like now. But when I look away, it's I ha
Speaker 2: to like think of what I looked like, it's oh yes,
Speaker 2: oh wow, you know if I even to, like when
Speaker 2: I get out of a car every now and then,
Speaker 2: I have to brace myself to stand up because it
Speaker 2: was over a hundred, like hundred pounds that I lost roughly,
Speaker 2: and so whenever I stand up, part of me still
Speaker 2: thinks I have to, but I'm like, oh, I can
Speaker 2: stand up. Yeah, So so it's it's, uh, it's weird.
Speaker 2: You know. I totally get people who like I really
Speaker 2: do understand people who who suffer with body image issues
Speaker 2: of many different kinds because we all we all do
Speaker 2: to an extent. But yeah, the be wanting to be
Speaker 2: an actor and being overweight was really it was hard
Speaker 2: for me to live with it because I was also
Speaker 2: brown and the town I lived in it was a
Speaker 2: it was a very affluent white town, and so I
Speaker 2: felt I felt gay, I felt fat, I felt brown.
Speaker 2: I just felt like I was a sub teer on
Speaker 2: every level. Yeah that I wasn't you know, I wasn't
Speaker 2: allowed to be at or the lead character.
Speaker 1: Were you openly gay too or not?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 1: No, okay, it.
Speaker 2: Didn't really matter. No people, I mean, I still got
Speaker 2: called faggot all the time. But uh you know, oh yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: it was. It almost didn't matter if I was in
Speaker 2: the closet or not, because it was if you acted feminine.
Speaker 2: And it was really hard for me to hide that.
Speaker 2: Like I had to really learn how to master the
Speaker 2: musk of my voice. I had to really learn how
Speaker 2: to like non lisp and not walk with a you know,
Speaker 2: check my nails like this and not like this.
Speaker 1: And so just again like that's a lot of different pressures.
Speaker 1: It really, there's a lot of different pressures, not just
Speaker 1: to wake up. But it's crazy because you you grow
Speaker 1: up in this environment where it seems like you're mentally
Speaker 1: almost hating on yourself, right, but then you find this escape,
Speaker 1: which is being ultimately the most creative genius. Right, You're
Speaker 1: a creative genius.
Speaker 2: I knew that I was a very I knew that
Speaker 2: I was creative more than other kids in school, and
Speaker 2: like I guess, if I had any form of self love,
Speaker 2: it was knowing that there was something special in my brain.
Speaker 2: And I always kind of knew that, and everyone I
Speaker 2: think is unique and special, but I really knew like
Speaker 2: I would I would go home and I'd draw and
Speaker 2: I'd write stories, and there was like a world. Somewhere
Speaker 2: in here, I knew that, like I can get lost
Speaker 2: in my imagination, it helps me just process shit if
Speaker 2: I if I write it or draw it or put
Speaker 2: it into a physical medium, and and then you know,
Speaker 2: I would go back to school or I go back
Speaker 2: to work as I got older, and I'd be immersed
Speaker 2: into this world that reminds me that like, oh, nope,
Speaker 2: you're not smart enough, you're not healthy enough, you're not
Speaker 2: whatever enough to do anything outside of your own little universe.
Speaker 2: And that's kind of been a chip on my shoulder
Speaker 2: my whole life. And it's something that you know, I've
Speaker 2: gone to therapy for years over is this feeling of
Speaker 2: everything I do just isn't good enough and I have
Speaker 2: to do it on my own. And that's it's really
Speaker 2: tough because you know, a lot of my the products
Speaker 2: that got me here, it was me doing it at
Speaker 2: a time when not a lot of people believed in
Speaker 2: me or not, you know, and and so yeah, it's
Speaker 2: it's I definitely felt that, especially back then when I
Speaker 2: was living back home, this inferiority complex of being too
Speaker 2: anything in a certain direction. I was too fat, too brown.
Speaker 1: Too Where's back home?
Speaker 2: Just scared livermore so five hours up north from my own.
Speaker 1: In California, California.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah.
Speaker 1: And then okay, okay, and then what race are you?
Speaker 2: So? I'm Spanish in Filipino.
Speaker 1: Spanish and Filipino predominantly. Was it difficult when you were
Speaker 1: going through like the body dysmorphia to get on camera
Speaker 1: and play characters?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah. In fact, you can tell when I lost
Speaker 2: all the weight because I all my characters were suddenly
Speaker 2: like naked, Like they were all like not naked, but
Speaker 2: like they wore very little clothing. Yeah, yeah, and that
Speaker 2: was really. Yeah. I had a mom character who wears
Speaker 2: like a skin tight spandex suit, and then I have,
Speaker 2: you know, a character wearing short shorts, and before that,
Speaker 2: all my characters wore long sleeves and were like wearing
Speaker 2: suits and ties, and so yeah, that was not Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: my body weight was was really I had a magnifying
Speaker 2: glass on it because of all the characters I played.
Speaker 1: Wow. Okay, and then now, what would you say is
Speaker 1: one of your hardest milestones that you deal with on
Speaker 1: a regular basis now that you've more arrived, I would say.
Speaker 2: I feel like just I feel like just you know,
Speaker 2: feeling that that normal sense of community that I felt
Speaker 2: when I when I was like back home. It's hard
Speaker 2: because I don't have a lot of time and I'm
Speaker 2: either writing, editing, or filming, and so it feels like
Speaker 2: like my social life has dwindled quite a bit. And
Speaker 2: I've talked to other influencers or content creators and I've
Speaker 2: heard similar stories. There is kind of a trade off,
Speaker 2: you know, when your lifestyle shifts, you gain things you
Speaker 2: like and you lose things that you know. You know,
Speaker 2: there's a good trade off you and I think part
Speaker 2: of the trade off for for where I am now
Speaker 2: versus where I was before was the sense of just
Speaker 2: I'm not around people as much as I and you'd
Speaker 2: think I was around more people because I'm on set
Speaker 2: more and I'm working with all these actors. What people
Speaker 2: see on social media me around all these people in
Speaker 2: a studio is that's like the only time I'm out
Speaker 2: of the house. So that's like the ten percent of
Speaker 2: time that other ninety percent of the time I'm home
Speaker 2: alone having to like, you know, edit.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So it's funny you say that because the friends
Speaker 1: that I do have that are influencers, I literally can
Speaker 1: send them a text, right now, like, let's go hang out,
Speaker 1: and they're like, unless you want to go work out tomorrow,
Speaker 1: The answer is no. That's like literally, if I want
Speaker 1: to hang out with any of them, I'm like, what
Speaker 1: time are you working out tomorrow? They're like two o'clock,
Speaker 1: be at the house. If I say, hey, guys, I'm
Speaker 1: going through something and I just really need someone to
Speaker 1: talk to, They're like, call a suicide hotline. I wish
Speaker 1: you the fucking best. Believe in yourself. There are people
Speaker 1: with much worse, but I promise you their text will
Speaker 1: be something like that, wish you the best. Believe in yourself.
Speaker 1: There's people to have it way worse. Get the fuck
Speaker 1: over it, call a hotline. I'm not a therapist, and
Speaker 1: these are really good friends of mine, and as fucked
Speaker 1: up as their text sound, it's the truth and it
Speaker 1: snatch me out of whatever. But I will say, all
Speaker 1: my influencer friends, the only time I can hang out
Speaker 1: with them is if I say what time you working
Speaker 1: out tomorrow? That's the only time you know.
Speaker 2: And that's that's that's such an l a thing too,
Speaker 2: I feel, and I'm I know what you mean. Are
Speaker 2: you the same way?
Speaker 1: If I were to be like, Yo, Brandon, let's meet up.
Speaker 1: You'd be like, well, what's I'm working out at two o'clock.
Speaker 1: You can show it to a clock you.
Speaker 2: Call the suicide hotline. No, no, I I I. The
Speaker 2: thing is everyone's so busy in their own lane here
Speaker 2: that the only way for people to see each other
Speaker 2: is if you both see each other doing something you
Speaker 2: were already gonna do, so like it was a working
Speaker 2: out thing, because I've done I've had so many workout
Speaker 2: hangouts where it's like you want to go on a hike. Oh, yeah,
Speaker 2: I was supposed to work out tomorrow. You're gonna work.
Speaker 2: Let's just go on a hike. Yeah, I've definitely done
Speaker 2: that before. But I think that it's important that you know,
Speaker 2: you always have at least someone to turn to if
Speaker 2: you're going through a hard time, at least that one person.
Speaker 2: But it can it can get pretty lonely the higher
Speaker 2: up you Just in my experience when I was surrounded
Speaker 2: by the most love and and and people around me,
Speaker 2: that was like earlier and like you know, and every
Speaker 2: year I find myself myself spending more and more time
Speaker 2: alone to where I was like this last year, I
Speaker 2: think I spent new Years by myself.
Speaker 1: Oh I also start of my life by the way, guys,
Speaker 1: But yeah.
Speaker 2: I was. I was on Zoom with some other influencers
Speaker 2: who were also spending New Years by themselves. It was
Speaker 2: really good.
Speaker 1: That's actually pretty good to know because I think people
Speaker 1: when they see influencers, they think, oh my god, he
Speaker 1: is the best life, the most amazing life. And it's
Speaker 1: just like, well to hear that influencers are spending New
Speaker 1: Year's on Zoom alone. That's that's something that I don't think.
Speaker 2: No one talks about that. And I have a few
Speaker 2: friends that I hang out with that were actors and
Speaker 2: shows that I would watch before I moved to LA
Speaker 2: And when I hang out with them, it's not like
Speaker 2: we're hanging out at a big part. It's like we're
Speaker 2: hanging out, grabbing coffee or we're hanging I think this
Speaker 2: is this myth that like entertainers are abundantly surrounded by people,
Speaker 2: but that's only when you see them on camera they're
Speaker 2: with you know, for me at least, Yeah, like I said,
Speaker 2: ninety percent of the time, I'm just by myself. And
Speaker 2: it's kind of nice because Hollywood's a noisy place and
Speaker 2: if you can afford it by yourself in this town. Yeah,
Speaker 2: because it's not cheap living here. So I you know,
Speaker 2: as much as I hate being alone, I'm also reminded like,
Speaker 2: at least I can afford a roof over my head.
Speaker 2: And like, because I've had some crazy roommates.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, I've definitely had the times of a
Speaker 1: million roommates. And but you know, now, years later, I
Speaker 1: was thinking this morning, I'm so thankful for even the
Speaker 1: headaches that I get. I'm like, wow, Like, you know,
Speaker 1: I told you earlier my engineering headache, my engineering headache.
Speaker 1: But it's like, yo, how lucky am I to like
Speaker 1: have this is my problem of the day.
Speaker 2: I know, well there's champagne problems, but there's still problems,
Speaker 2: because oh there's still problems.
Speaker 1: They're real legit when you're going through your phone, Like.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's entertainment, is well what we do because
Speaker 2: we were very similar in the sense that we both
Speaker 2: produce our own thing, and it's it's it looks like
Speaker 2: entertainment to the rest of the world, but it's our jobs.
Speaker 2: And so like you, whatever part of your brain has
Speaker 2: to problem solve the way an accountant or a doctor,
Speaker 2: it's still that same part of your brain that's having
Speaker 2: and like, okay, like I got to figure this out.
Speaker 2: You know. It's it's entertainment, but it still is just
Speaker 2: as stressful as I think, like a real job.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're prioritizing fires. And I always, I always, even
Speaker 1: when people call me and they're like, well you have
Speaker 1: a fire over here or fire over here, you have
Speaker 1: a fire over here, in my brain, I'm like, okay,
Speaker 1: which is the most important fire? Which fire can I delegate?
Speaker 1: And which fire they I ain't really worried about it,
Speaker 1: that's not really that's a you know, I have.
Speaker 2: The hardest time with that. I swear to God my fires,
Speaker 2: to me, they're all equal, and I will spend so
Speaker 2: much time putting out a fire that doesn't matter, while
Speaker 2: like my house is burning down, and.
Speaker 1: So yeah, no, I'll separate the fires from the from Okay,
Speaker 1: that's a I could delegate. I can hand that off.
Speaker 1: But what I do will, what I will say is
Speaker 1: that whenever I see a potential fire, oh yeah, I'm like, yo,
Speaker 1: that potential fire needs to be put out while it's
Speaker 1: a potential fire, right right, So, like before my engineer
Speaker 1: nightmares started, happened, Please believe I'll started and firefighters together
Speaker 1: the whole time. Look, we're getting the light, Brandon. It
Speaker 1: is such a pleasure to hang with you. Is there
Speaker 1: anything that you think that I missed that I could
Speaker 1: have shared that you you could have shared that your
Speaker 1: fans don't necessarily know about your story.
Speaker 2: You know, I gosh, don't eat canned chicken with balsonic vinegar.
Speaker 2: It really even eating kind of like I'm kind of like,
Speaker 2: I don't know if I should have eaten that, but no,
Speaker 2: I honestly I appreciate you having me here. I don't
Speaker 2: get to talk about that part of my life very much,
Speaker 2: but it is, I mean, my body, my weight, what
Speaker 2: I used to eat when I was broke is such
Speaker 2: a big part of me and makes me who I
Speaker 2: am today, And so thank you for giving me a
Speaker 2: space that really is appropriate to talk about that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and just so you know, as messed up as
Speaker 1: this is gonna sound, I appreciate you cooking for me.
Speaker 1: But I second that do not eat canned chicken with
Speaker 1: bolsonic vinegar. Every matter of fact, if you do the
Speaker 1: canned chicken, you know, definitely mix it with like a
Speaker 1: sogpreneiur or what have you book can Chicken should never
Speaker 1: be eaten straight out the can.
Speaker 2: I think we've said so preneer a different way every entrepreneur.
Speaker 1: Someone's gonna go on the comments and really hate us
Speaker 1: for this.
Speaker 2: It's so I know, it's all the accent marks. So
Speaker 2: it's all No, I I I really appreciate you having
Speaker 2: me here, Thank you?
Speaker 5: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: And then where can people? Where can guess catch up
Speaker 1: with Brandon Rogers?
Speaker 2: Oh? You can catch YouTube is my main spot by
Speaker 2: any search bar. Just type in my name, see what
Speaker 2: you find.
Speaker 1: And then Instagram and ticked out? And then do you
Speaker 1: also get paid from those platforms?
Speaker 2: Those are really more promotional tools for my YouTube?
Speaker 1: YouTube?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: YouTube? I heard Facebook is the real payer.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the YouTube is. I'm loyal to YouTube though.
Speaker 1: They have a YouTube and Facebook owned by the same company.
Speaker 2: No, no, Facebook Meta owns Facebook and then Google owns YouTube.
Speaker 1: I believe oh man, people have been getting paid on Facebook.
Speaker 1: Don't sleep on Facebook. You're gonna go home and he's
Speaker 1: gonna monetize the Facebook. Another text to his account. No,
Speaker 1: I hear Facebook's payouts are crazy.
Speaker 2: You know, I mean they're they are, They are very reputable.
Speaker 2: I don't want to knock them. They're great. I didn't
Speaker 2: have a Facebook show one day. They did pay for
Speaker 2: a show that I had a.
Speaker 1: Long time agot, but mainly it's YouTube, Instagram and TikTok. Yes,
Speaker 1: all right, guys, thank you so much for feeding me.
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