WEBVTT - BRANDON ROGERS - Saag Paneer

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<v Speaker 1>Hey, guys, welcome to another episode of Eating While Broke.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm your host, Coleen Witt, and today we have very

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<v Speaker 1>special guest. Comedian, actor, writer influencer Brandon Rogers is in

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<v Speaker 1>the building.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you so much for having me. This is the

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<v Speaker 2>coolest studio I've ever been And you can cook full

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<v Speaker 2>meals right here and not have to leave the studio.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, and I'm very fortunate because I get to challenge

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<v Speaker 1>all my guests to feed me. I will say this,

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<v Speaker 1>this is the first time we've had your dish on

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<v Speaker 1>the show. What will you be having us eat today?

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<v Speaker 2>Today we're eating canned chicken with balsamic vinaigrette and sagir soganeer.

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<v Speaker 2>How everybody say, I'm just a fan of.

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<v Speaker 3>The flat a, but I would throw the chicken into

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<v Speaker 3>the sogpanier and cook.

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<v Speaker 2>It like that. But I would also eat the chicken

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<v Speaker 2>right out of the can by itself, just put a

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<v Speaker 2>little balsamic on it and go in with the fork.

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<v Speaker 2>And I would just eat that while I worked at

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<v Speaker 2>a hotel back behind the front desk. Really yeah, I'd

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<v Speaker 2>pop a can open to that and then just go

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<v Speaker 2>to town on the well, yeah, I was eating weird

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<v Speaker 2>shit back then.

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<v Speaker 1>I like your creativity. You sound like you were like, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>desperate measures will work with what we got chicken.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it was weird. I wanted to I was very

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<v Speaker 2>heavy back then, and I wanted to get thin real fast,

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<v Speaker 2>and I didn't know how to. So I thought, well, like,

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<v Speaker 2>what's like the bare bones of what I could eat? Oh?

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<v Speaker 2>Just meat, like caveman mentality. So I'm like, I'm just

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<v Speaker 2>gonna eat chicken out of the can. And I just

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<v Speaker 2>threw the balsamic in there. So it wasn't just entirely flavorless.

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<v Speaker 1>But I saw it in the chicken in the can.

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<v Speaker 1>It has like a little fat in it, doesn't it fat?

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<v Speaker 2>But not sugar. I was very into like no sugar.

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<v Speaker 1>And I still I'm saying, you ate it cold, not warm.

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<v Speaker 2>Right out right out, I mean not Ni'd eat it

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<v Speaker 2>room temperature.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh my god, your gangster. Okay. And then for us

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<v Speaker 1>who did not know, because I did not know what

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<v Speaker 1>sog or sag panaire is, can you explain what it is?

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<v Speaker 2>So it's like spinach and spices and like you like

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<v Speaker 2>basically like food process like chopped up finally and then

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<v Speaker 2>cooked with cream and there's like cubes of cheese that

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<v Speaker 2>are in it, and so it's like basically spinach cream

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<v Speaker 2>and cheese. It's almost like the closest thing I could

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<v Speaker 2>think of too, Like an American dish would be like

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<v Speaker 2>spinach dip maybe, but meant to be eaten, not as

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<v Speaker 2>a side or a dip, like as an actual like dishes.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, yeah, okay, And then your team said I could

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<v Speaker 1>either get it from a restaurant or get it in

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<v Speaker 1>the store. I did get it from the restaurant. I

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<v Speaker 1>just want to tell you all listeners, this sog panaire.

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<v Speaker 1>Please forgive us for butchering the name, but I think

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<v Speaker 1>I paid ten dollars and it definitely looks like you'd

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<v Speaker 1>be like two to three people, right.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I can eat one of I could put one

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<v Speaker 2>of those down easily. I'd probably put one and a

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<v Speaker 2>half two of those down easy.

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<v Speaker 1>I love you. Then, so basically this whole dish essentially

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<v Speaker 1>just costs like twelve bucks.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's it's it's good because I'm I I live

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<v Speaker 2>totally like Bachelor style. I don't eat a full meal

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<v Speaker 2>at a time. I sometimes i'll eat extra or less

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<v Speaker 2>than and it's nice because I just eat however much

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<v Speaker 2>I want put it away. And I eat this probably

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<v Speaker 2>every single day.

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<v Speaker 4>Like really yeah yeah, like up so recently up till yesterday.

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<v Speaker 1>What yeah, I wish you would have came here yesterday.

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<v Speaker 1>We would have had you ready, I know, I know.

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<v Speaker 2>But you know, I'm actually more used to eating it

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<v Speaker 2>cold because I have food prep it. So I'll buy

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<v Speaker 2>a bunch of the week and I only eat it

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<v Speaker 2>like fresh on Monday or Tuesday, and the rest it's

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<v Speaker 2>all either cold or reheated. So I'm this, I'm like.

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<v Speaker 1>This, and this is uh, this is healthy. It's pretty healthy, and.

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<v Speaker 2>I feel like I've been healthy since I've been eating it,

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<v Speaker 2>like I really. I either eat it by itself or

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<v Speaker 2>with something else, but I probably eat it for almost

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<v Speaker 2>every single meal really yeah, and my food I don't

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<v Speaker 2>get sickos. That's why it's the only every every other food.

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<v Speaker 2>I kind of get like tired of having more than

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<v Speaker 2>three times.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, let's see if this dish can to my favorite list.

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<v Speaker 2>I should If it doesn't. If it doesn't, oh my god,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna feel I'm gonna feel like a monster.

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<v Speaker 1>And let's see. So why don't you start cooking for

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<v Speaker 1>me and then, yes, while you cook for me, take

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<v Speaker 1>me back to what was going on before it became

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<v Speaker 1>your popular favorite dish.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's go on this journey together.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, let's go on this journey together.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, go for it, all right, all right, Well

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<v Speaker 2>let's see here, We're gonna go low here. And yes,

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<v Speaker 2>I would reheat this like this all the time because

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<v Speaker 2>I lived at my mom's house and she had and

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<v Speaker 2>then I moved out into a studio with barely a kitchen,

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<v Speaker 2>and ange learnew to eat everything cold. Oh yeah, I

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<v Speaker 2>had ten years without a microwave, and it made me

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<v Speaker 2>appreciate microwaves so much. You just know it in a

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<v Speaker 2>box and it's hot all of a sudden.

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<v Speaker 1>How do you go ten years without a microwave?

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<v Speaker 2>I live ten years in a shoe box bedroom, living room, bathroom, kitchen.

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<v Speaker 2>It was all one room. Well the bathroom was behind

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<v Speaker 2>a door, but yeah, it was a tiny, tiny place.

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<v Speaker 2>I think this is on. Oh yes, it is all right. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not a good cook, just letting you know. I

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<v Speaker 2>most of my food has been Uber eats for the

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<v Speaker 2>past four years.

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<v Speaker 1>I feel like most of the guests on our show

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<v Speaker 1>haven't cooked or I mean, in years.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, you know what, it's going to be an experience,

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<v Speaker 2>So I'm just gonna do it the clean way. They

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<v Speaker 2>call this the the good old Brandon flip. You go

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<v Speaker 2>one tooth, okay, all right, and it requires a little

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<v Speaker 2>bit of dancing.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you want those one of those utensil things?

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<v Speaker 2>Okay?

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<v Speaker 1>Oh you know, oh there it goes.

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<v Speaker 2>It worked, yes, And this is a sog cast role.

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<v Speaker 2>We're gonna turn it into a stir frye here. Okay, okay,

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<v Speaker 2>let's see. I'm gonna use this because I think the

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<v Speaker 2>green and the red go well together. Okay, excuse me.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh good, you have a cough. By the way, we

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<v Speaker 1>all have this magic cough that doesn't go away, so

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<v Speaker 1>all y'all listeners gotta beer through it.

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<v Speaker 2>So it basically looks like every gross food food from

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<v Speaker 2>every cartoon. Every time they were like at the lunch

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<v Speaker 2>line and they were like, hey, take your lunch slop,

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<v Speaker 2>it was this ship. Yeah, but I love it because

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<v Speaker 2>there's so much flavor and.

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<v Speaker 1>It smells good.

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<v Speaker 2>It's yeah, it's I don't know what exactly goes into

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<v Speaker 2>I've been eating it all these years. I don't know

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<v Speaker 2>the spices that go into I want to say there's garlic.

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<v Speaker 1>There's definitely curry, curR definitely curryles curry curry.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, definitely curry. And depending on what kind of restaurant

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<v Speaker 2>you go to, it could be more or less of

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<v Speaker 2>the but it's generally this is actually very look looks

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<v Speaker 2>like what I have every day. So if it's disgusting,

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<v Speaker 2>fuck me.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, So it looks healthy. And the cheese, the cheese

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<v Speaker 1>chunks look like chunks are the cheese just actually bite

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<v Speaker 1>into it or doesn't melt pannier cheese.

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<v Speaker 2>It's very specific. It almost the textures almost like tofu it.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh you don't like tofu? I love I love tofu,

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<v Speaker 2>but I love this even more. Really, Yeah, I haven't

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<v Speaker 2>had tofu in a long time, but you don't like tofu.

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<v Speaker 1>I can't stand the texture of it. Really, But you

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<v Speaker 1>know what I'm starting to see. We we have one

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<v Speaker 1>thing that come and you like pickled eggs and tofu

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<v Speaker 1>and I don't like either.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh interesting, you know how I think about it, those

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<v Speaker 2>would go good together. Yeah, I feel like tofu is

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<v Speaker 2>like to me, that's like the future, like scientifically engineered

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<v Speaker 2>to be non offensive food. Food, Like we've engineered a

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<v Speaker 2>white block of gel that will like it feels it's

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<v Speaker 2>the tofu has always been space food to me, so

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<v Speaker 2>I always felt futuristic eating tofu. I hope this is odd.

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<v Speaker 1>It is, but electric sometimes you got to turn it

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<v Speaker 1>up and then turn it down.

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<v Speaker 2>There's an electric stoves. Aren't these incredible? I mean, this

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<v Speaker 2>blows my mind to this day. This looks so cool

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<v Speaker 2>to me. Yeah, that we can do this. I still

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<v Speaker 2>use a gas burner like an asshole.

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<v Speaker 1>That's good. A lot of people love the gas. So

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<v Speaker 1>tell tell me what was going on in the time

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<v Speaker 1>of so.

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<v Speaker 2>I was really going through this craze of like no sugar.

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<v Speaker 2>So I was trying to find the most flavorful foods

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<v Speaker 2>that were easy and cheap and didn't have sugar in them,

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<v Speaker 2>and that that that that, and that wouldn't gross me

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<v Speaker 2>out if I ate them. And this has so much

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<v Speaker 2>flavor in it that it feels like I'm eating in

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<v Speaker 2>a way more than I am, if that makes sense.

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<v Speaker 2>That it doesn't feel like I'm just eating like a

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<v Speaker 2>one thing. But it gives me so much energy, like

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<v Speaker 2>it's basically just pure spinach, and I don't know, like

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<v Speaker 2>I'll eat it before a shoot. I'll eat it and

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<v Speaker 2>when at the time when I discovered this, I would

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<v Speaker 2>go to this Indian restaurant with my friends and we

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<v Speaker 2>would order one dish that we would share, and then

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<v Speaker 2>we'd wait for people to leave, and we would go

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<v Speaker 2>to the tables and because with Indian food, a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of people would just like leave so much of it behind,

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<v Speaker 2>like because it was family style. Yeah, so you just

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<v Speaker 2>have dishes of just food left behind. So we would

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<v Speaker 2>just go to the other tables and just and that's

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<v Speaker 2>how I discovered such.

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<v Speaker 1>Ben here, wait a minute, wait a minute, let me

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<v Speaker 1>get this straight. So you and your friend will order

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<v Speaker 1>one dish, wait till everybody else left the restaurant, and

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<v Speaker 1>go pick out on their leftovers. Yeah, that's pretty awesome.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think. I'm sure people have thought of doing it,

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<v Speaker 1>but nobody's ever actually done it.

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<v Speaker 2>I also used to dumpster dive a lot. What do

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<v Speaker 2>you mean, Like in college. I would go because they

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<v Speaker 2>would throw food out the grocery store that wasn't it

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<v Speaker 2>was technically expired by the date, but it was still good.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>So my friend and I we would call each other

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<v Speaker 2>and we were like, hey, you want to go diving,

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<v Speaker 2>And we would just go diving, and.

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<v Speaker 1>So you could go to a grocery store and the like, yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>We go behind like a Roufs or something and just

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<v Speaker 2>go literally climb into the dumpster. And you'd have to

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<v Speaker 2>be at the end of the day, like I think

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<v Speaker 2>around nine or ten and like around closing time or whatever.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, we would go back there and find a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of it was like carb stuff, so boxes of

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<v Speaker 2>like crackers, bread, those big cookies that would be icing

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<v Speaker 2>on the top. They would get thrown out. Those would

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<v Speaker 2>last for years.

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<v Speaker 1>I feel like, yeah, you know what's so funny. When

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<v Speaker 1>eggs went up, I'm not gonna lie. I started to

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<v Speaker 1>talk to the grocery you know, check out, like yo, like,

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<v Speaker 1>no one's buying your eggs right now, and they'd be like, yo,

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<v Speaker 1>we're throwing them out by the cases out back. And

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<v Speaker 1>I'd be like, if only they could just tell me

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<v Speaker 1>when they were throwing them out, because they I would

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<v Speaker 1>be like, really out back there, let me go around

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<v Speaker 1>back right.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm going to add half of this to the because

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<v Speaker 2>I have the chicken, because a big part of when

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<v Speaker 2>I I was eating this was just I would eat

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<v Speaker 2>the chicken by itself, but I would also throw it

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<v Speaker 2>into here because you could throw chicken in almost everything,

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<v Speaker 2>and so it's always nice to have a can laying

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<v Speaker 2>around because it just adds treats to whatever dish you're cooking.

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<v Speaker 1>Now, a lot of people keep can tuning around. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know how many people actually keep canned chicken. So

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<v Speaker 1>I'm thoroughly impressed, because I never ever know what to

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<v Speaker 1>do with canned chicken.

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<v Speaker 2>Canned chicken is great, especially because it's well's pre cooked.

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<v Speaker 2>So I would just eat it straight out of the can.

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<v Speaker 2>I would pour the balls in fact, is this.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, your balsamic vinegar?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh? Yes, yes, yeah, I you know. I used to

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<v Speaker 2>eat all kinds of foods that were that were like healthy,

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<v Speaker 2>and I would do it unhealthily too. Would I would

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<v Speaker 2>also like at the time, I would starve myself into

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<v Speaker 2>a bunch of stupid things. But hopefully I haven't eaten

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<v Speaker 2>this since I was probably twenty twenty two, twenty three. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>so it might I might miss be mispremembering it. It

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<v Speaker 2>might taste like pure slamp, but so.

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<v Speaker 1>And then I saw what Brandon just did. It was

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<v Speaker 1>he took the balsamach and put it directly on the chicken.

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<v Speaker 2>Directly on the chicken. We're mixing it in a bowl,

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<v Speaker 2>and it would look Oh that takes me back. Holy shit.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm right there at the desk of the hotel. Welcome,

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<v Speaker 2>Will you be checking in? Are you checking out? I'd

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<v Speaker 2>be sneaking this down here like this. I would always

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<v Speaker 2>have like treats and stuff. I'd have a laptop and

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<v Speaker 2>edit my videos while I was working at the front desk.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh so, while you're working at the front desk of

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<v Speaker 1>a hotel, you would be pursuing your dreams behind the counter.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, I mean I couldn't. I mean, if I

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<v Speaker 2>didn't have those dreams, I don't know what I would be.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, that was the one thing getting me through it. Honestly,

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<v Speaker 2>it felt and it didn't. They didn't feel like dreams

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<v Speaker 2>because dreams implies you want that to be your future.

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<v Speaker 2>And as much as I wanted to be an actor

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<v Speaker 2>and a director, I didn't think that what I was

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<v Speaker 2>doing would directly translate to any form of success. I

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<v Speaker 2>didn't think because at the time, being a YouTuber wasn't

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<v Speaker 2>a lucrative Yeah, that wasn't something anyone sought to be.

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<v Speaker 2>So I did feel like I was wasting time, but

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<v Speaker 2>it felt good because it got me through the day,

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<v Speaker 2>like I would be editing videos as a way to

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<v Speaker 2>get me through an eight eight hours is a long

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<v Speaker 2>fucking time to be doing anything.

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<v Speaker 1>And did you ever get like posh back from your job,

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<v Speaker 1>like where they were like why are you always on

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<v Speaker 1>your computer?

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<v Speaker 2>They were actually very supportive because they it was such

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<v Speaker 2>a shitty job. They were just happy to have someone

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<v Speaker 2>there at the desk for as much as they were

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<v Speaker 2>willing to pay. And no shade on them. I'm still

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<v Speaker 2>friends with the people at that hotel, and but they

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<v Speaker 2>supported it. They watched They even let me film at

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<v Speaker 2>the hotel.

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<v Speaker 1>Really yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>And when you were doing this this footage, were you

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<v Speaker 1>doing it just because you genuinely enjoyed acting and writing

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<v Speaker 1>or were you doing it because.

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<v Speaker 2>I would have paid to do it, let alone get

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<v Speaker 2>paid to do it?

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<v Speaker 1>Really yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>It was the one thing keeping me sane and still is.

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<v Speaker 2>If I if I was put in a shoe hole

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<v Speaker 2>for the rest of my life in Guantanamo Bay, I

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<v Speaker 2>would still find a way to get a camera in

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<v Speaker 2>editing software and just try and make it like no

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<v Speaker 2>matter I mean, if I lose all my limbs, I

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<v Speaker 2>would still try and find a way to.

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<v Speaker 1>Do it like it's and you edit all your stuff

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<v Speaker 1>still today.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, I think if you know how to edit,

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<v Speaker 2>you like I think when it comes to video or

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<v Speaker 2>especially scripted stuff like films or TV, if you know

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<v Speaker 2>how to edit, and you know how to write, and

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<v Speaker 2>you know how to direct, you should really do all

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<v Speaker 2>three because you get a really unified a project that's

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<v Speaker 2>really your vision, and other people can see that vision

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<v Speaker 2>and go oh, and then you surround yourself with a

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<v Speaker 2>team of people who also get it because it's so

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<v Speaker 2>specific to what you want. So I mean, because and

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<v Speaker 2>no shade on people who only write or only direct

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<v Speaker 2>or only actor, but if you can do all of them,

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<v Speaker 2>I recommend do it because then you're very few people

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<v Speaker 2>can do two, or let alone three or four of

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<v Speaker 2>those things. So I think as I got older, I

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<v Speaker 2>realized I can do it. My dad encouraged me a lot.

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<v Speaker 2>I had a lot of encouragement, you know, at that time.

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<v Speaker 2>I want to say, this is circa two thousand and nine.

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<v Speaker 2>At this point I started my channel thousand and six,

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<v Speaker 2>So about two thousand and nine I was taking it

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<v Speaker 2>more seriously. I was really trying to build a following

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<v Speaker 2>I hit fifty thousand followers in two thousand. I want

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<v Speaker 2>to say that was twenty ten, twenty eleven. That was

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<v Speaker 2>a huge deal.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, what was going on through your mind when

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<v Speaker 1>you were.

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<v Speaker 2>We made it? That was? Yeah, it was. I was

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<v Speaker 2>doing a show at the time with my friends. It

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<v Speaker 2>was a scripted series, kind of like The Office, and

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<v Speaker 2>it took place in a classrooms. That's the only location

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<v Speaker 2>we had access to. It was like a college campus.

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<v Speaker 2>So we did a show about theater kids, which we

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<v Speaker 2>were you know, you write what you know. And then

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<v Speaker 2>we and then we got fifty thousand, and we were

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<v Speaker 2>all surrounding the computer watching as it hit fifty thousand,

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<v Speaker 2>and we filmed it on our datus thing at a

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<v Speaker 2>time called a flipcam, and we were filming it on

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<v Speaker 2>the flip camp. It was one of the greatest moments

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<v Speaker 2>of my life. In a fifty thousand today, I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>as any TikToker, that's not even a cumshot of people,

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<v Speaker 2>I can't say that.

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<v Speaker 1>But it's not say it. I love.

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<v Speaker 2>It's nothing today. I mean, but what I'm saying is

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<v Speaker 2>it's something. It really is something. Because we felt like

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<v Speaker 2>we made it a twenty thousand, we felt like stars

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<v Speaker 2>at you know.

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<v Speaker 1>And what were your parents saying when when you were

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<v Speaker 1>like getting hyped over these numbers.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think it registered. I don't think my my

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<v Speaker 2>dad was always excited from day one. I think it

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<v Speaker 2>took my It took me getting recognized in public in

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<v Speaker 2>front of my mom for her to put some sort

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<v Speaker 2>of tangent ability to it, because up until then it

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<v Speaker 2>was like, you should be focusing on your job, you

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<v Speaker 2>should be focusing on your you know, school. And then

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<v Speaker 2>when I when I started, you know, and when I

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<v Speaker 2>did it full time too, she took it seriously. When

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<v Speaker 2>I was able to no longer. I worked at a

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<v Speaker 2>law firm before I did YouTube full time, and when

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<v Speaker 2>I made that leap, I think she took it a

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<v Speaker 2>lot more seriously.

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<v Speaker 1>Now, was it scary too, Well, at the time before

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<v Speaker 1>you took that leap, like what milestone did you hit

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<v Speaker 1>before you were like, Okay, I'm going I'm going to

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<v Speaker 1>I'm going to do one hundred percent.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I was at the law firm, I was working

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<v Speaker 2>at the guy running it, the guy in charge, he

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<v Speaker 2>had a very soft spot for comedy writing, and when

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<v Speaker 2>he saw my channel, he encouraged me. And again let

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<v Speaker 2>me film at my work. Wow, And that's when I

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<v Speaker 2>really started. You know, that's Vine. This is about twenty

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<v Speaker 2>this is twenty fifteen. I want to say so Vine

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<v Speaker 2>was really big then and someone took my clips that

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<v Speaker 2>I filmed that his office and it blew up on Vine.

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<v Speaker 2>It's me saying, move, I'm gay, and I say this,

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<v Speaker 2>I move someone out of the way as I'm trying

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<v Speaker 2>to make and it's just like queer's in the workplace.

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<v Speaker 2>And that blew up on Vine and he became aware

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<v Speaker 2>of it blowing up on Vine, and so I'm gonna

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<v Speaker 2>let this go a little bit longer than let's take

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<v Speaker 2>it off. But he called me into his office one

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<v Speaker 2>day and he was like, so, tell me how much

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<v Speaker 2>longer do you have here? And that was the first

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<v Speaker 2>time not only did he talk about my departure going

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<v Speaker 2>to YouTube full time, but he did it in a

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<v Speaker 2>way that wasn't negative and it was supportive. He wasn't like, well,

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<v Speaker 2>how much time to know? He was just like, just

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<v Speaker 2>let me know, so we can start giving you projects

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<v Speaker 2>that you could be done with by the time you

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<v Speaker 2>want to leave. I probably wouldn't be where I'm at

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<v Speaker 2>if it wasn't for him letting me be creative while

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<v Speaker 2>paying my bills so I could live. And that's that's

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<v Speaker 2>the artist struggle in LA. That's everyone's struggle. Is like

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<v Speaker 2>you move out to LA making a living is a

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<v Speaker 2>job in itself, just to be able to pay your rent,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, afford food, and then on top of it,

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<v Speaker 2>become an actor, become or a musician, any kind of

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<v Speaker 2>Most jobs in the industry don't care about your nine

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<v Speaker 2>to five. They all need you on a Tuesday at

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<v Speaker 2>three and then Friday at five, and then weekend at

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<v Speaker 2>three am. So it's like it's hard to walk that

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<v Speaker 2>fine line. And if you're lucky enough to find you know,

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<v Speaker 2>a job that lets you be flexible with your hours,

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<v Speaker 2>I definitely recommend that because the industry, I it doesn't

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<v Speaker 2>it's not nine to five. It's not like you know

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<v Speaker 2>a place that's open and closed. It's like at any

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<v Speaker 2>point you have an audition pop up or you could.

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<v Speaker 2>So he was very limber with me in terms of

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<v Speaker 2>what I was allowed to. He let me work from home.

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<v Speaker 1>And this was before pandemic, before people of four.

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<v Speaker 2>I know, I'm might turn this down.

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<v Speaker 1>It also sounds like and I'm just curious were you

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<v Speaker 1>upfront with these employers, like what you your long term

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<v Speaker 1>goals were, because yeah, I was gonna say, most people

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<v Speaker 1>are afraid because that's usually they'd be like, well, our

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<v Speaker 1>missions aren't aligned, you go find another place work. So

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<v Speaker 1>how did you break it to them that you had

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<v Speaker 1>other passions?

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<v Speaker 2>She was the only one. I broke it to every

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<v Speaker 2>other employer. I just told them that they were my

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<v Speaker 2>long term goal.

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<v Speaker 1>Well what about the hotel? Though you were secretly editing

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<v Speaker 1>on this.

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<v Speaker 2>I was secretly editing, but that was in a long

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<v Speaker 2>term That was like a hobby, you know, and they

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<v Speaker 2>let me do it there and they would give me

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<v Speaker 2>a discount on renting the you know, like spaces in

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<v Speaker 2>the hotel, or I would just do it for I

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<v Speaker 2>would just do it, you know, because I worked night

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<v Speaker 2>on it overnight a lot of times, so I could

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<v Speaker 2>just do stuff overnight and film it there and they

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<v Speaker 2>wouldn't catch me. But yeah, they they never saw it.

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<v Speaker 2>Like and even at that time, that was so early on,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't even know if I considered it at the

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<v Speaker 2>hotel my dream like something I would eventually go.

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<v Speaker 1>It was just something you were just passionately doing.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, exactly.

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<v Speaker 1>And now you're talking you're at the law firm about

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<v Speaker 1>ten It sounds like ten years later you're still doing

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<v Speaker 1>your YouTube, but you're working at this law firm. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>And I just want I want to frame references because

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<v Speaker 1>I think whenever people think of influencers, they think overnight.

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<v Speaker 1>You're saying that you're working full time jobs while still

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<v Speaker 1>doing something you're passionate about. Now at this point, are

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<v Speaker 1>you starting to think about monetizing or are you monetizing

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<v Speaker 1>at that.

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<v Speaker 2>Point, I was monetizing. I started monetizing, I think in

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<v Speaker 2>two thousand and nine, but I wasn't making substantially anything

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<v Speaker 2>I was. I would have to find odd jobs to

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<v Speaker 2>keep the lights on, even outside of the law firm.

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<v Speaker 2>Like the law firm was a great full time job,

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<v Speaker 2>but I still wasn't making.

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<v Speaker 4>Enough, like yeah, support of something in La in La,

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<v Speaker 4>Oh my god, it's so And I lived in I

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<v Speaker 4>lived in Koreatown, so like nowhere was close to get to,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, gas was so expensive because you killed half

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<v Speaker 4>your tank just finding the nearest freeway, and and so

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<v Speaker 4>it was.

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<v Speaker 2>It was really it was tough. I had to do

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of commercials for places. I would would film

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<v Speaker 2>commercials for all kinds of businesses because I could write

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<v Speaker 2>and edit.

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<v Speaker 1>And so, like you would knock on their door and

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<v Speaker 1>be like, hey, I'll do your commercial for you, or

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<v Speaker 1>did you well.

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<v Speaker 2>A lot of it eventually became word of mouth. I

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<v Speaker 2>would do a commercial for someone and they'd refer me

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<v Speaker 2>to their you know friend who also runs a different company,

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<v Speaker 2>and they would need a commercial. So I started doing

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<v Speaker 2>these really cheap and easy commercials because I could film something,

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<v Speaker 2>edit it. I could even cast the commercial because I

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<v Speaker 2>you know, wow La casting accounts. So I would just

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<v Speaker 2>find actors, and many of them I still talk to

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<v Speaker 2>today and work with in my videos. And so every

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<v Speaker 2>little odd job I did in a way was training

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<v Speaker 2>for what I do now. It was a way of

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<v Speaker 2>me doing video work in some way. At the law firm,

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<v Speaker 2>I did video work for them. I'd go to clients'

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<v Speaker 2>houses and interview clients who like broke their ankles, and

0:20:17.280 --> 0:20:18.600
<v Speaker 2>we'd show the video to the jury and.

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<v Speaker 1>Try, is that actually what you did for the law firm.

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<v Speaker 2>I did anything relating to video. Anything regarding video I

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<v Speaker 2>did for.

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<v Speaker 1>Them now was your job.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. So I'd do their commercials. I would do like depositions,

0:20:30.160 --> 0:20:32.000
<v Speaker 2>I would anything that needed to be filmed, I would

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<v Speaker 2>film it, and it eventually kind of led me into

0:20:34.800 --> 0:20:38.240
<v Speaker 2>doing videos that were in the same format but for YouTube,

0:20:38.280 --> 0:20:39.840
<v Speaker 2>because then eventually I got known for doing these like

0:20:39.920 --> 0:20:43.520
<v Speaker 2>documentary format exposees on a day in the life of

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<v Speaker 2>a character, So like b roll footage of just them living,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, a day in their life, cut with like

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<v Speaker 2>interviews like in the office or something, you know, talking

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<v Speaker 2>about who they are and what they stand for.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, kind of like the office set up. Okay, okay, yes,

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<v Speaker 1>So I.

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<v Speaker 2>Found that format at the law firm, and then I

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<v Speaker 2>kind of translated that in my videos and and and

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<v Speaker 2>uh I still do that today, and I still keep

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<v Speaker 2>in touch with everyone at the law firm as well,

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<v Speaker 2>because there, you know, I was there for three years

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<v Speaker 2>and so I was very close with a lot of.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm okay, service up. Yeah, So your dish looks legit.

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<v Speaker 2>It's you know, I can't say I cooked it, but

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<v Speaker 2>it looks like I did some. Yeah, and this might

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<v Speaker 2>get everywhere. I'm so sorry if it does.

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<v Speaker 1>As long as it doesn't splash on me, I'm good.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, it looks good, all right, And I have the

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<v Speaker 2>rest of it.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I have it.

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<v Speaker 2>Here it goes.

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<v Speaker 1>Have fun because this definitely looks like what you described

0:21:49.040 --> 0:21:52.639
<v Speaker 1>the classroom, the cafeteria. It looks like something that my

0:21:52.760 --> 0:21:54.439
<v Speaker 1>dog would you know, it just is.

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<v Speaker 2>Your dog cute. I'm gonna have some of this.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm gonna I'm gonna do whatever you do.

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<v Speaker 2>So you're telling me about your I.

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<v Speaker 1>Was just describing this meal through my dog, and you

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<v Speaker 1>don't want to know how I was describing it. But

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<v Speaker 1>do you mix it in?

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<v Speaker 2>No? Well, I was already chicken mixed in there. This

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<v Speaker 2>is just like the salad chicken.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, so we're going to test the balsamic canned chicken.

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<v Speaker 1>Just playing here we go.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my god, it takes me back.

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<v Speaker 1>Don't know what I know. The camera caught my face

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<v Speaker 1>on that one.

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<v Speaker 2>Was it not a good face?

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't see it was one of those Oh wait,

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<v Speaker 1>passed me the balsomac. I don't know if I can

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<v Speaker 1>taste it.

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<v Speaker 5>Oh my god.

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<v Speaker 1>I used to eat this.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, used to the sepreneur.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you see I just drowned it in balstomic Hold on,

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<v Speaker 1>you know you are a perfect guest for this show.

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<v Speaker 1>I really believe you were broken at some point.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't eat anymore, but I don't hate it either.

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<v Speaker 1>Kudos do you? Man?

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<v Speaker 2>I was actually I was actually broke them back then.

0:22:59.240 --> 0:23:03.399
<v Speaker 2>I really I was digging through my night span for

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<v Speaker 2>one dollar bills for all.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, here we go, I'm gonna try the I'll try

0:23:10.400 --> 0:23:15.640
<v Speaker 1>it too, Okay, what do you think I'll go down

0:23:15.640 --> 0:23:18.040
<v Speaker 1>with the sogne alight, it's good. I want to try

0:23:18.040 --> 0:23:22.800
<v Speaker 1>it with the chicken mix. The naked chicken is is

0:23:25.240 --> 0:23:30.000
<v Speaker 1>much better, much better, And I really like it with

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<v Speaker 1>the chicken.

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<v Speaker 2>And sometimes with lamb or beef you could like substitute

0:23:37.440 --> 0:23:38.240
<v Speaker 2>put other stuff in it.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's a great dish. It's a great dish, and

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<v Speaker 1>I love it with the balsamic chicken. I would not

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<v Speaker 1>recommend for any listeners to eat it the way Brandon

0:23:49.480 --> 0:23:52.280
<v Speaker 1>was eating it when he was broke. The plain chicken

0:23:52.280 --> 0:23:56.920
<v Speaker 1>in the balsamic vinegar is not what I would recommend them.

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<v Speaker 1>Taste wise.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I love about Indian food is it's it's one

0:24:00.240 --> 0:24:03.159
<v Speaker 2>of the cuisines that's just as healthy as it is flavor.

0:24:03.160 --> 0:24:08.680
<v Speaker 2>Folder's so much flavor, and there's seeing this and it's

0:24:08.800 --> 0:24:10.200
<v Speaker 2>very good for you.

0:24:10.240 --> 0:24:14.159
<v Speaker 1>Now a lot of the listeners don't know, but I

0:24:14.160 --> 0:24:16.320
<v Speaker 1>did get non bread, and I do feel like if

0:24:16.359 --> 0:24:18.040
<v Speaker 1>you had non bread with this, it would be so

0:24:18.240 --> 0:24:19.639
<v Speaker 1>much better. Yeah, it is.

0:24:20.040 --> 0:24:24.240
<v Speaker 2>I would on like they're kind of made for each other,

0:24:24.760 --> 0:24:27.119
<v Speaker 2>you know, because you can eat it like a taco.

0:24:27.200 --> 0:24:29.199
<v Speaker 2>You could dip it. There's so many varieties of how to.

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<v Speaker 1>Eat the Should I try the cheese just just to take.

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<v Speaker 2>One throe it is to but it is good. Here

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<v Speaker 2>we go.

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<v Speaker 1>Wait, is that the cheese or the chicken? No, that's

0:24:39.440 --> 0:24:39.840
<v Speaker 1>the cheese.

0:24:39.840 --> 0:24:43.719
<v Speaker 2>Squear one is the cheese.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh it's good. It's really good.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know why I was like expecting. First of all,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know if this is like tofu texture. You

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<v Speaker 1>don't think so I kind of was, but it kind

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<v Speaker 1>of reminds me of like mozzarella cheese texture, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>like when you buy the mozzarella cheese sticks.

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<v Speaker 2>You're right, I see that as well.

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<v Speaker 1>So that's just great dish, hm, a great dish, acquired

0:25:07.600 --> 0:25:09.400
<v Speaker 1>taste dish for all listeners.

0:25:09.440 --> 0:25:10.800
<v Speaker 2>It's good for you, and let me tell you, it's

0:25:10.800 --> 0:25:12.080
<v Speaker 2>good for your digestion. It's good.

0:25:12.119 --> 0:25:14.399
<v Speaker 1>That's what I was going to say. Yeah, if you

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<v Speaker 1>haven't any type of issue like this, I'm pretty sure

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<v Speaker 1>you're fine, O tap.

0:25:17.920 --> 0:25:20.120
<v Speaker 2>It looks like this going in smooth stale.

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<v Speaker 1>So you're doing these videos, can you tell me, like,

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<v Speaker 1>what was the check that monetized? What was your first

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<v Speaker 1>monetization check?

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<v Speaker 2>So the first check was several months of build up

0:25:32.760 --> 0:25:34.560
<v Speaker 2>of me like I was earning money, but I wasn't.

0:25:34.600 --> 0:25:36.720
<v Speaker 2>I couldn't find it for some reason. I took me

0:25:36.760 --> 0:25:39.080
<v Speaker 2>three months to get my first check. So that first

0:25:39.160 --> 0:25:42.359
<v Speaker 2>check was I want to say it was close to

0:25:42.600 --> 0:25:45.160
<v Speaker 2>two thousand dollars. But this was over like several.

0:25:44.880 --> 0:25:47.040
<v Speaker 1>Months of doing and this is a couple of years

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<v Speaker 1>into your platform or this.

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<v Speaker 2>Was around two thousand and eight, two thousand and nine,

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<v Speaker 2>somewhere around there. And so the first thing I did

0:25:52.720 --> 0:25:55.119
<v Speaker 2>was I bought plane tickets and I just flew to

0:25:55.240 --> 0:25:58.280
<v Speaker 2>places and I would find and get this. It was

0:25:58.600 --> 0:26:02.720
<v Speaker 2>I'm lucky, I'm still alive. I would stay at fans houses.

0:26:02.720 --> 0:26:04.520
<v Speaker 2>I didn't have a lot of fans back then, but

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<v Speaker 2>there were some people that you know, that watched me,

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<v Speaker 2>and I would get in touch with them and they say, hey,

0:26:08.640 --> 0:26:11.240
<v Speaker 2>if you're ever in Chicago, you know, and I'd be like, hey,

0:26:11.280 --> 0:26:13.280
<v Speaker 2>I'm going to Chicago. Can I and that's how I

0:26:13.280 --> 0:26:15.360
<v Speaker 2>would I wouldn't pay for hotels. I would stay at

0:26:15.680 --> 0:26:17.800
<v Speaker 2>strangers houses who knew me from the internet.

0:26:18.760 --> 0:26:21.080
<v Speaker 1>And did you did you become actual friends with them or.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, A lot of them I still talk to to

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<v Speaker 2>this day. One of them I met at an airport

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<v Speaker 2>in Illinois and we went on a road trip and

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<v Speaker 2>drove all the way down to I want to say, Kentucky. Yeah,

0:26:35.359 --> 0:26:36.360
<v Speaker 2>we went to Oh.

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<v Speaker 1>My gosh, you're alive. You know what, though, I had

0:26:40.440 --> 0:26:43.520
<v Speaker 1>another guest do that too. They like where their fans were,

0:26:43.520 --> 0:26:45.240
<v Speaker 1>and their fans kind of held them down.

0:26:45.800 --> 0:26:49.040
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I don't recommend that. I was very stupid when

0:26:49.080 --> 0:26:51.080
<v Speaker 2>I did that. I did so many stupid things. And

0:26:51.240 --> 0:26:53.280
<v Speaker 2>back then, they didn't have map quests. So we went

0:26:53.320 --> 0:26:55.200
<v Speaker 2>on this road trip. I mean, they didn't have like

0:26:55.200 --> 0:26:57.639
<v Speaker 2>like navigation, you know, not even Garman was really a

0:26:57.680 --> 0:26:59.560
<v Speaker 2>thing back then. So we would have to call this

0:26:59.600 --> 0:27:01.359
<v Speaker 2>hot line and it would you would just tell them

0:27:01.359 --> 0:27:03.680
<v Speaker 2>where you were, and it was automated and it would

0:27:03.720 --> 0:27:06.639
<v Speaker 2>just say, like press one when you get to this intersection.

0:27:06.800 --> 0:27:09.920
<v Speaker 2>So you'd be driving okay one boop okay. In three miles,

0:27:10.000 --> 0:27:11.840
<v Speaker 2>your turn right. And that's how we had to do

0:27:11.960 --> 0:27:14.360
<v Speaker 2>our shit back then, and then while you were waiting

0:27:14.440 --> 0:27:17.120
<v Speaker 2>you had to listen to ads play, so you were

0:27:17.119 --> 0:27:19.120
<v Speaker 2>just like listening to an ad and then oh, one,

0:27:19.160 --> 0:27:21.639
<v Speaker 2>we're here at the thing, and so yeah, that was

0:27:21.680 --> 0:27:24.879
<v Speaker 2>that was not fun. But yeah, all right, I that

0:27:24.960 --> 0:27:26.520
<v Speaker 2>was my first check, my first check. I just I

0:27:26.760 --> 0:27:28.800
<v Speaker 2>blew it all on travel.

0:27:28.480 --> 0:27:30.280
<v Speaker 1>And then how long did it take for your next

0:27:30.359 --> 0:27:30.880
<v Speaker 1>check to come?

0:27:33.040 --> 0:27:35.800
<v Speaker 2>It was so I think it was a few months

0:27:35.800 --> 0:27:37.600
<v Speaker 2>after that because I wouldn't pay you unless it was

0:27:37.680 --> 0:27:39.400
<v Speaker 2>over a certain amount. When was it was like five

0:27:39.480 --> 0:27:42.000
<v Speaker 2>hundred dollars, No, one hundred dollars.

0:27:42.000 --> 0:27:42.640
<v Speaker 1>Oh wow.

0:27:43.400 --> 0:27:46.399
<v Speaker 2>So I didn't get paid until it was like months.

0:27:46.400 --> 0:27:47.679
<v Speaker 2>That was in the winter time, and I was going

0:27:47.720 --> 0:27:51.000
<v Speaker 2>on all those flights, so like summer rolls around and

0:27:51.040 --> 0:27:52.679
<v Speaker 2>like finally my next check comes in, it's like one

0:27:52.720 --> 0:27:55.080
<v Speaker 2>hundred and ten dollars, and so that was that was

0:27:55.119 --> 0:27:57.639
<v Speaker 2>not fun. But so it didn't it didn't feel like

0:27:57.640 --> 0:27:59.280
<v Speaker 2>I was even though I was an official partner at

0:27:59.320 --> 0:28:01.760
<v Speaker 2>the time, I didn't feel like that. It felt like, oh,

0:28:01.800 --> 0:28:04.560
<v Speaker 2>I'm getting these little thank yous every few times a

0:28:04.640 --> 0:28:07.679
<v Speaker 2>year that are just like that. But it wasn't. It

0:28:07.720 --> 0:28:10.600
<v Speaker 2>wasn't until probably twenty fifteen that I was actually making

0:28:10.600 --> 0:28:11.440
<v Speaker 2>money on YouTube.

0:28:11.440 --> 0:28:13.600
<v Speaker 1>And then what was that check? If you don't, mommy.

0:28:13.400 --> 0:28:18.000
<v Speaker 2>Asked, I honestly don't remember, but I do remember. I

0:28:18.080 --> 0:28:21.560
<v Speaker 2>quit my job when I was making enough per month.

0:28:22.359 --> 0:28:23.480
<v Speaker 2>I was like topping the job.

0:28:23.760 --> 0:28:26.120
<v Speaker 1>Oh, you were making it more than your actual day job. Yeah,

0:28:26.160 --> 0:28:28.879
<v Speaker 1>that's smart. Okay. You didn't think like compounding. You were like,

0:28:28.960 --> 0:28:29.680
<v Speaker 1>I'm out of here.

0:28:29.800 --> 0:28:32.880
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. And then I started an LLC, which I put

0:28:32.880 --> 0:28:34.720
<v Speaker 2>all my money into, and I kept my salary to

0:28:34.800 --> 0:28:37.200
<v Speaker 2>this day, my salary, my personal salary is the same

0:28:37.240 --> 0:28:39.440
<v Speaker 2>as when I worked at the law firm, just to

0:28:39.440 --> 0:28:40.200
<v Speaker 2>like keep it cat.

0:28:40.400 --> 0:28:43.800
<v Speaker 1>Oh, so you you. I love this and I want

0:28:43.840 --> 0:28:45.680
<v Speaker 1>everyone to listen to this because a lot of people

0:28:45.680 --> 0:28:47.800
<v Speaker 1>don't know to do this. But he created an LLC,

0:28:48.360 --> 0:28:50.440
<v Speaker 1>And then did you put yourself on like a payroll,

0:28:50.480 --> 0:28:53.120
<v Speaker 1>like an ADP payroll. I do that. I personally do

0:28:53.200 --> 0:28:55.000
<v Speaker 1>that a lot of people. I tell people to do

0:28:55.000 --> 0:28:57.680
<v Speaker 1>that all the time. Oh yes, And I keep my

0:28:57.760 --> 0:29:01.440
<v Speaker 1>salary still the same and very low. I literally only

0:29:01.480 --> 0:29:04.080
<v Speaker 1>pay myself like sixty K a year on my salary,

0:29:04.320 --> 0:29:06.240
<v Speaker 1>and I do an escorp. I don't do LLC.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh.

0:29:06.920 --> 0:29:10.000
<v Speaker 1>I love escorps. I'm a super fan freak of an escorp.

0:29:10.240 --> 0:29:12.120
<v Speaker 2>It sounds more elite an escort.

0:29:12.320 --> 0:29:14.640
<v Speaker 1>Well, it's the way when you do your tax at

0:29:14.680 --> 0:29:17.160
<v Speaker 1>the end of the year, it breaks down a lot better.

0:29:17.280 --> 0:29:20.320
<v Speaker 1>You end up saving more money with the escort because

0:29:20.320 --> 0:29:22.560
<v Speaker 1>you do a draw. You do a draw, so it'll

0:29:22.600 --> 0:29:25.280
<v Speaker 1>be your salary plus your profit and then you pay

0:29:25.320 --> 0:29:27.880
<v Speaker 1>the taxes. I love it. That's how I do it.

0:29:27.960 --> 0:29:29.920
<v Speaker 1>I start, I always start as a C corp, but

0:29:30.040 --> 0:29:31.840
<v Speaker 1>usually I end up as an escorp in the end.

0:29:32.280 --> 0:29:35.000
<v Speaker 1>Most accountants will push you towards it, and my biggest

0:29:35.000 --> 0:29:37.520
<v Speaker 1>regret was not turning into an escorps sooner. So now

0:29:37.560 --> 0:29:40.000
<v Speaker 1>I just up front, I'm like corp escort es corp.

0:29:41.040 --> 0:29:42.960
<v Speaker 1>Yeah yeah, so you should talk to your account about it,

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<v Speaker 1>by the way, it yeah yeah, yeah, I'm all. When

0:29:47.520 --> 0:29:51.000
<v Speaker 1>I have consultations with my accountant, it's very thorough. I

0:29:51.040 --> 0:29:53.520
<v Speaker 1>ask a lot of questions because when I was twenty one,

0:29:53.560 --> 0:29:56.480
<v Speaker 1>I got like leans on my stuff from my first business,

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<v Speaker 1>and then I learned that the state of California is

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<v Speaker 1>a lot meaner than irs.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh damn.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Well they don't play.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm I mean, I just tell my I tell my

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<v Speaker 2>accountant just figure it out for me.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh no, I don't. I think I used to do that,

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<v Speaker 1>and then when I got in trouble, I said, no,

0:30:17.320 --> 0:30:20.360
<v Speaker 1>explain everything, and and now I do my own p

0:30:20.480 --> 0:30:23.040
<v Speaker 1>and ls, like I manage everything. Well, now I'm not

0:30:23.040 --> 0:30:25.200
<v Speaker 1>gonna lie. A new hack I do is I get

0:30:25.360 --> 0:30:28.640
<v Speaker 1>the AMX credit card. AMEX has a good credit card,

0:30:28.920 --> 0:30:32.680
<v Speaker 1>but most credit cards they break down your financial statements

0:30:32.680 --> 0:30:35.360
<v Speaker 1>like into like transportation or whatever at the end of

0:30:35.400 --> 0:30:37.480
<v Speaker 1>the year, and you could turn that whole file over

0:30:37.520 --> 0:30:40.280
<v Speaker 1>to your account and save a ton of money. Oh yeah,

0:30:40.320 --> 0:30:42.000
<v Speaker 1>So I put everything on the AMEX and then it

0:30:42.000 --> 0:30:43.120
<v Speaker 1>breaks it down at the end of the year. I

0:30:43.160 --> 0:30:44.520
<v Speaker 1>take the whole file give it to the account.

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<v Speaker 2>This year, we just started doing AMX for oh for

0:30:47.320 --> 0:30:49.320
<v Speaker 2>different reasons. I was using another card and that was

0:30:49.880 --> 0:30:53.560
<v Speaker 2>it was what we shoot looks so fraudulent on our record,

0:30:54.200 --> 0:30:56.120
<v Speaker 2>like the way like you know, you buy like five

0:30:56.200 --> 0:30:58.320
<v Speaker 2>hundred dollars of fake blood or whatever and then like

0:30:58.400 --> 0:31:01.160
<v Speaker 2>venmo fifty people for what I It's just on record,

0:31:01.200 --> 0:31:04.080
<v Speaker 2>it's like, what the hell were you doing? But no,

0:31:04.200 --> 0:31:06.000
<v Speaker 2>AMEX has been a life saver, and they did not

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<v Speaker 2>pay for this interview. As far as I know, they don't.

0:31:07.840 --> 0:31:10.040
<v Speaker 1>They don't, They actually don't know. I wish I had

0:31:10.120 --> 0:31:15.360
<v Speaker 1>some AMX sponsors. Hello, shout us out right. So then

0:31:15.440 --> 0:31:18.800
<v Speaker 1>so now, so at this point, you're now fully supporting yourself.

0:31:18.880 --> 0:31:21.400
<v Speaker 1>I want to backcheck to something you said earlier. Yes,

0:31:21.640 --> 0:31:24.680
<v Speaker 1>when it came to doing your editing, because I know

0:31:24.760 --> 0:31:27.200
<v Speaker 1>there's certain I try to learn a little bit about

0:31:27.240 --> 0:31:30.840
<v Speaker 1>every part of my company, especially because when I'm hiring

0:31:30.880 --> 0:31:34.200
<v Speaker 1>for that department, I hate to assume that job's really easy.

0:31:34.560 --> 0:31:37.120
<v Speaker 1>They don't know what they talk about. They try to overcharge.

0:31:37.200 --> 0:31:39.440
<v Speaker 1>I think it's so important to like know enough about

0:31:39.480 --> 0:31:43.160
<v Speaker 1>a role to respect everyone's position, really thoroughly respect their

0:31:43.200 --> 0:31:47.360
<v Speaker 1>position in the company. And so, but editing is one

0:31:47.400 --> 0:31:50.240
<v Speaker 1>of those things where I'm like, I don't want to

0:31:50.240 --> 0:31:53.440
<v Speaker 1>add another thing to my thing. But for you, was

0:31:53.640 --> 0:31:56.160
<v Speaker 1>editing something that was like a pain area and you

0:31:56.160 --> 0:31:57.760
<v Speaker 1>were just like I'm gonna do it or was it

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<v Speaker 1>something you were always passionate about.

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<v Speaker 2>At a glance, if I were to line up all

0:32:02.240 --> 0:32:05.240
<v Speaker 2>the job the main like divisions of what it takes

0:32:05.240 --> 0:32:07.560
<v Speaker 2>to pull off a production, editing certainly seems like the

0:32:07.560 --> 0:32:08.960
<v Speaker 2>most daunting. It seems like the one you need the

0:32:09.000 --> 0:32:11.280
<v Speaker 2>most training for. It seems like something you to figure

0:32:11.320 --> 0:32:13.800
<v Speaker 2>out what software and then foot you're working with all

0:32:13.960 --> 0:32:18.600
<v Speaker 2>virtually all the other departments. I learned editing first before

0:32:18.640 --> 0:32:21.000
<v Speaker 2>I learned anything else, and I even then I knew

0:32:21.000 --> 0:32:24.120
<v Speaker 2>that if I can learn editing, all everything else is easy.

0:32:24.240 --> 0:32:25.880
<v Speaker 2>You know, everything else is. I can learn how to

0:32:25.920 --> 0:32:27.800
<v Speaker 2>do makeup, I can learn to act, I can learn

0:32:27.840 --> 0:32:29.400
<v Speaker 2>to write, I can learn to and a lot of

0:32:29.440 --> 0:32:32.560
<v Speaker 2>those things I already liked doing, especially because I was gay.

0:32:32.680 --> 0:32:35.520
<v Speaker 2>I loved makeup and costumes and wigs and acting and

0:32:35.560 --> 0:32:39.040
<v Speaker 2>being loud and being a kooky guy, and so that

0:32:39.160 --> 0:32:40.440
<v Speaker 2>was all something I love to do. And when I

0:32:40.480 --> 0:32:43.160
<v Speaker 2>realized how easy editing is, because it really is a

0:32:43.200 --> 0:32:45.880
<v Speaker 2>lot easier in my opinion than it looks. I learned

0:32:45.880 --> 0:32:47.920
<v Speaker 2>on iMovie in two thousand.

0:32:48.040 --> 0:32:50.400
<v Speaker 1>I remember iMovie, Yeah, okay.

0:32:50.360 --> 0:32:54.560
<v Speaker 2>And I learned on iMovie and get this to this day,

0:32:54.600 --> 0:32:57.120
<v Speaker 2>I still use eyemovie if it's on a special effects shot,

0:32:57.320 --> 0:33:01.080
<v Speaker 2>it's done an iMovie. Wow. And it's advanced a lot

0:33:01.120 --> 0:33:03.000
<v Speaker 2>over the years, but not much. I mean, the interface

0:33:03.080 --> 0:33:04.000
<v Speaker 2>is still pretty simple.

0:33:04.520 --> 0:33:06.200
<v Speaker 1>Do you ever edit on your phone or you just

0:33:06.360 --> 0:33:07.240
<v Speaker 1>edit on your laptop?

0:33:07.520 --> 0:33:09.360
<v Speaker 2>If it's like a social post, like a TikTok, I'll

0:33:09.440 --> 0:33:11.840
<v Speaker 2>edit on my phone. But I like to edit on

0:33:11.880 --> 0:33:14.480
<v Speaker 2>the computer. There's just something nice about sitting down and

0:33:14.600 --> 0:33:17.600
<v Speaker 2>spending time with an edit comfortably, with a coffee at

0:33:17.640 --> 0:33:22.200
<v Speaker 2>your side, a joint in the other hand. And but

0:33:22.920 --> 0:33:26.120
<v Speaker 2>I I personally love editing. You know, you see people

0:33:26.120 --> 0:33:28.000
<v Speaker 2>playing video games and they get glued to their couch

0:33:28.000 --> 0:33:31.040
<v Speaker 2>for hours. Whatever's flaring in their brain at that time.

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<v Speaker 2>That's that's going off in my head. When I edit,

0:33:32.680 --> 0:33:35.880
<v Speaker 2>it's at that same addiction of like, you know, you're

0:33:36.200 --> 0:33:38.080
<v Speaker 2>because a video game, you're building, you're building, and then

0:33:38.080 --> 0:33:39.560
<v Speaker 2>you have a save point and then you get up

0:33:39.600 --> 0:33:41.000
<v Speaker 2>and go get lunch. It's like editing. You have a

0:33:41.000 --> 0:33:42.440
<v Speaker 2>say okay, I got all this done. Okay, this is

0:33:42.440 --> 0:33:45.120
<v Speaker 2>a good break point, but you go. It feels like

0:33:45.160 --> 0:33:48.000
<v Speaker 2>I'm having fun when it's something that I would have otherwise.

0:33:48.400 --> 0:33:51.800
<v Speaker 2>You know, paid someone to do editing is something I

0:33:51.800 --> 0:33:54.239
<v Speaker 2>really like because you're you're having the final say at

0:33:54.280 --> 0:33:57.160
<v Speaker 2>the comedic timing of which take you get to use

0:33:57.280 --> 0:33:59.560
<v Speaker 2>all that are Those are fun choices for me to make.

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<v Speaker 1>No, do you consider yourself. I know when I introduced

0:34:02.600 --> 0:34:09.239
<v Speaker 1>you as said comedian, writer, act or all all these writer, actor, comedian,

0:34:10.480 --> 0:34:12.880
<v Speaker 1>But the one thing I didn't say was entrepreneur. But

0:34:13.600 --> 0:34:15.360
<v Speaker 1>do you consider yourself an entrepreneur?

0:34:16.880 --> 0:34:21.080
<v Speaker 2>I do. When I think of entrepreneur, I think as

0:34:21.080 --> 0:34:23.359
<v Speaker 2>something more of like selling a physical product or someone

0:34:23.400 --> 0:34:27.239
<v Speaker 2>who like creates some but anyone who has very few,

0:34:27.360 --> 0:34:29.640
<v Speaker 2>if any people to thank, you know, for all of

0:34:29.640 --> 0:34:31.880
<v Speaker 2>the found you know, fundamental. I mean, we all have

0:34:31.920 --> 0:34:35.240
<v Speaker 2>people to think, but ultimately, like you've built your business.

0:34:35.239 --> 0:34:38.520
<v Speaker 2>I've built my business. People who who where the business

0:34:38.520 --> 0:34:41.160
<v Speaker 2>they spent years building. I had some music entrepreneur or

0:34:41.160 --> 0:34:43.920
<v Speaker 2>someone who you know, got to create something that, you know,

0:34:44.040 --> 0:34:48.000
<v Speaker 2>especially if pays the bills. That's the American dream. And

0:34:48.040 --> 0:34:51.520
<v Speaker 2>so I I never say the word entrepreneur. If anything,

0:34:51.520 --> 0:34:54.960
<v Speaker 2>I'll say comedian. Okay, because if everything else fails, if

0:34:55.040 --> 0:34:58.200
<v Speaker 2>every if the world goes to shit and you know whatever,

0:34:58.280 --> 0:34:59.719
<v Speaker 2>I like to think that at least I'll still have

0:34:59.760 --> 0:35:02.319
<v Speaker 2>my of humor and at least I'm still So I

0:35:02.320 --> 0:35:04.279
<v Speaker 2>don't know, and kind of the ability to be a

0:35:04.320 --> 0:35:06.719
<v Speaker 2>comedian kind of funnels into everything else I do, into

0:35:06.719 --> 0:35:09.600
<v Speaker 2>the editing, into the social media.

0:35:09.080 --> 0:35:11.839
<v Speaker 1>And you also do tours, yes, and to that too.

0:35:11.880 --> 0:35:14.200
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so I do live as characters. I go around

0:35:14.200 --> 0:35:16.440
<v Speaker 2>the country and I perform at different I do like

0:35:16.480 --> 0:35:19.160
<v Speaker 2>an hour long like seminar as like a character to

0:35:19.200 --> 0:35:22.279
<v Speaker 2>my audience, and it's very interactive and I get to

0:35:22.360 --> 0:35:23.440
<v Speaker 2>meet my fans up close.

0:35:23.480 --> 0:35:27.280
<v Speaker 1>And then do you actually set up your whole tour

0:35:27.600 --> 0:35:29.360
<v Speaker 1>or do you have a team that does it for me?

0:35:29.400 --> 0:35:33.239
<v Speaker 2>I have a team. Yeah, I'm with Levity Talent and

0:35:33.280 --> 0:35:38.640
<v Speaker 2>they are titans in the comedy scene. They they've been

0:35:39.440 --> 0:35:43.879
<v Speaker 2>angels to me since two thousand and seventeen sixteen. I've

0:35:43.920 --> 0:35:46.399
<v Speaker 2>been with them for quite a while, so yeah, they

0:35:46.520 --> 0:35:48.920
<v Speaker 2>kind of they'll, you know, help craft the whole thing,

0:35:48.960 --> 0:35:50.560
<v Speaker 2>and they send me out in the road and they

0:35:50.600 --> 0:35:51.480
<v Speaker 2>always take care of me.

0:35:51.840 --> 0:35:54.319
<v Speaker 1>Oh awesome. And then you said that you still live

0:35:54.360 --> 0:35:55.360
<v Speaker 1>on the same salary.

0:35:55.840 --> 0:35:56.040
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

0:35:56.960 --> 0:35:59.400
<v Speaker 1>Now I'm curious when you say you still live on

0:35:59.440 --> 0:36:02.319
<v Speaker 1>the same soule. Is it because you budget well or

0:36:02.440 --> 0:36:04.520
<v Speaker 1>is it because you offset some of your expenses to

0:36:04.560 --> 0:36:05.040
<v Speaker 1>your business.

0:36:05.800 --> 0:36:07.279
<v Speaker 2>It's a little of both. I mean, so much of

0:36:07.320 --> 0:36:09.000
<v Speaker 2>what I spend, so much of what I spend money

0:36:09.040 --> 0:36:11.560
<v Speaker 2>on is my whole life is my work. I really

0:36:11.719 --> 0:36:15.959
<v Speaker 2>I live very minimally. I don't nothing that I own

0:36:16.120 --> 0:36:19.600
<v Speaker 2>at home is super lavish. I drive like a Honda,

0:36:19.640 --> 0:36:23.200
<v Speaker 2>and I'm not anything I spend money on. Usually it's

0:36:23.200 --> 0:36:26.480
<v Speaker 2>for the videos, and so I don't know, I would

0:36:26.480 --> 0:36:29.640
<v Speaker 2>just rather put my dollars and cents in front of

0:36:29.680 --> 0:36:32.880
<v Speaker 2>the camera rather than you know, having a really nice,

0:36:32.920 --> 0:36:35.760
<v Speaker 2>you know, trailer to be in when I'm not filming,

0:36:35.840 --> 0:36:37.759
<v Speaker 2>or having a really nice house or something.

0:36:37.800 --> 0:36:40.480
<v Speaker 1>But you're living your purpose, So I would feel like

0:36:40.719 --> 0:36:43.440
<v Speaker 1>you in even meeting you and getting to know you,

0:36:43.520 --> 0:36:47.480
<v Speaker 1>and it seems like you're much more into like your purpose,

0:36:47.600 --> 0:36:50.600
<v Speaker 1>your vision what I guess you're painting the world you

0:36:50.640 --> 0:36:52.760
<v Speaker 1>want to see when you're creating, right, you're a creator.

0:36:53.040 --> 0:36:57.040
<v Speaker 2>It's I feel like the world that I create is

0:36:57.080 --> 0:36:59.319
<v Speaker 2>a reflection of the world that I see. A lot

0:36:59.360 --> 0:37:03.320
<v Speaker 2>of the cares and settings are a mirror, a twisted,

0:37:03.360 --> 0:37:09.000
<v Speaker 2>warped like circus mirror version of what was real life.

0:37:09.239 --> 0:37:12.440
<v Speaker 2>And uh, I don't know. I ultimately just want to

0:37:12.440 --> 0:37:13.680
<v Speaker 2>be a place at the end of the day for

0:37:13.800 --> 0:37:15.880
<v Speaker 2>people to come to and kind of get lost in.

0:37:16.000 --> 0:37:19.359
<v Speaker 2>It's for me, I get lost in scripted content quite

0:37:19.360 --> 0:37:22.920
<v Speaker 2>a bit, you know, more than reality I get, you know,

0:37:23.440 --> 0:37:25.200
<v Speaker 2>I love being told a story, So I try to

0:37:25.200 --> 0:37:27.120
<v Speaker 2>be that on YouTube. There aren't a lot of scripted

0:37:27.120 --> 0:37:30.759
<v Speaker 2>things on YouTube these days, and you know, I really

0:37:30.800 --> 0:37:33.759
<v Speaker 2>try and encourage people to do more scripted stuff that

0:37:33.760 --> 0:37:37.880
<v Speaker 2>it's still like a really fun and creative medium of entertainment.

0:37:38.040 --> 0:37:40.200
<v Speaker 1>Do you ever keep up with Country Wayne? Do you

0:37:40.239 --> 0:37:41.440
<v Speaker 1>ever see his stuff? His stuff?

0:37:42.040 --> 0:37:47.000
<v Speaker 2>No, I live under a rock though I rarely scroll.

0:37:47.040 --> 0:37:48.319
<v Speaker 2>But is it? Is it pretty fast?

0:37:48.640 --> 0:37:50.759
<v Speaker 1>I mean it's pretty good. But I will say this,

0:37:50.960 --> 0:37:53.279
<v Speaker 1>like some of the checks that they like people have

0:37:53.360 --> 0:37:55.440
<v Speaker 1>mentioned on the show about like some of the YouTube

0:37:55.520 --> 0:37:59.719
<v Speaker 1>checks that they're getting. I will say that sometimes I

0:37:59.719 --> 0:38:02.520
<v Speaker 1>wonder if YouTube's paying you, say two hundred three hundred

0:38:02.560 --> 0:38:05.560
<v Speaker 1>thousand or whatever. You got to wonder at some point

0:38:06.280 --> 0:38:09.200
<v Speaker 1>what the real value you're at, right, because YouTube's only

0:38:09.200 --> 0:38:10.880
<v Speaker 1>paying you percentage. And I don't know if that's the

0:38:10.920 --> 0:38:14.600
<v Speaker 1>me listening too much jay Z, because right way, if

0:38:14.640 --> 0:38:16.719
<v Speaker 1>YouTube's cutting you at check with two hundred thousand, how

0:38:16.800 --> 0:38:18.280
<v Speaker 1>much is this foot it's really worth?

0:38:18.560 --> 0:38:20.799
<v Speaker 2>Right? Right? And and honestly it's doys worth as much

0:38:20.840 --> 0:38:24.520
<v Speaker 2>as it's watched. Honestly, you know, people, and every year

0:38:24.560 --> 0:38:26.520
<v Speaker 2>it feels like you know you're you're kind of encouraged,

0:38:26.560 --> 0:38:28.600
<v Speaker 2>not just from YouTube but from every platform. You're kind

0:38:28.640 --> 0:38:30.840
<v Speaker 2>of encouraged a new set of guidelines. I mean, before

0:38:30.960 --> 0:38:33.560
<v Speaker 2>they were pushing longer form content, and now it's all

0:38:33.560 --> 0:38:37.800
<v Speaker 2>about how short the content can be. I just firmly

0:38:37.840 --> 0:38:39.680
<v Speaker 2>believe as long as it's good, it'll stand the test

0:38:39.719 --> 0:38:42.040
<v Speaker 2>of time. I've had videos that I made over a

0:38:42.080 --> 0:38:45.480
<v Speaker 2>decade ago that I still think are really good, and

0:38:45.640 --> 0:38:47.879
<v Speaker 2>over time they found the love they deserve. They didn't

0:38:47.880 --> 0:38:50.360
<v Speaker 2>blow up in their time, but over all these years,

0:38:50.400 --> 0:38:52.600
<v Speaker 2>they you know, they found their audience, and I'm so

0:38:52.719 --> 0:38:54.399
<v Speaker 2>glad I took the time to make sure it was good.

0:38:54.400 --> 0:38:57.000
<v Speaker 2>Whether the video is short or long, I'm glad it

0:38:57.040 --> 0:39:00.839
<v Speaker 2>was good. And a lot of people will mold their

0:39:00.840 --> 0:39:03.719
<v Speaker 2>content around what the algorithm wants. Currently. Yeah, and that's

0:39:03.719 --> 0:39:05.440
<v Speaker 2>great for right now. Maybe you'll get a big surge

0:39:05.440 --> 0:39:07.239
<v Speaker 2>in the first week or two, you know, but I

0:39:07.280 --> 0:39:10.520
<v Speaker 2>don't think that, you know, I would rather leave behind

0:39:10.560 --> 0:39:13.239
<v Speaker 2>a legacy of work that I am proud of and

0:39:13.239 --> 0:39:17.359
<v Speaker 2>would want to show people then like really make it

0:39:17.440 --> 0:39:22.759
<v Speaker 2>bend around an algorithm request at that time. Now, is

0:39:22.800 --> 0:39:24.560
<v Speaker 2>that to say that I don't try and make the

0:39:24.600 --> 0:39:27.360
<v Speaker 2>algorithm happy. No, I definitely try and suck it to

0:39:27.400 --> 0:39:28.359
<v Speaker 2>dick as much as I can.

0:39:29.480 --> 0:39:33.239
<v Speaker 1>How are you able to keep up with sorry, how

0:39:33.280 --> 0:39:37.440
<v Speaker 1>are you able to keep up with the algorithm rules?

0:39:37.480 --> 0:39:39.319
<v Speaker 1>Like how do you how do you keep up with

0:39:39.440 --> 0:39:41.480
<v Speaker 1>the like how are you doing that?

0:39:41.600 --> 0:39:43.520
<v Speaker 2>And not suffer burnout all that time? I'm gonna have

0:39:43.520 --> 0:39:45.439
<v Speaker 2>more of this chicken. Yeah.

0:39:45.480 --> 0:39:47.640
<v Speaker 1>I love that you're eating in everything.

0:39:47.880 --> 0:39:51.959
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Yeah, it's hard. There are weeks where I feel

0:39:52.000 --> 0:39:57.400
<v Speaker 2>burnt out. There are weeks where I'm sad or physically

0:39:57.480 --> 0:40:00.239
<v Speaker 2>tired or you know, and you still have to be

0:40:00.239 --> 0:40:02.520
<v Speaker 2>funny and then you still have to put on the

0:40:02.560 --> 0:40:06.120
<v Speaker 2>costume and still have to especially when you're working with

0:40:06.160 --> 0:40:08.040
<v Speaker 2>so many people, have a lot of actors and crew

0:40:08.080 --> 0:40:10.439
<v Speaker 2>that were you know, if we have a date book,

0:40:10.520 --> 0:40:12.239
<v Speaker 2>I'm not going to push back the date because I

0:40:12.480 --> 0:40:13.880
<v Speaker 2>just was in a bad mood that day, you know.

0:40:14.400 --> 0:40:16.960
<v Speaker 2>So there is a level of like leave your shit

0:40:17.000 --> 0:40:21.080
<v Speaker 2>at the door and just do the job. And it

0:40:21.440 --> 0:40:24.360
<v Speaker 2>can really feel sometimes, especially when it's like a bigger production,

0:40:24.840 --> 0:40:26.480
<v Speaker 2>you know, and it takes weeks to shoot before you

0:40:26.520 --> 0:40:29.719
<v Speaker 2>see any kind of like audience appreciation for it. It

0:40:29.719 --> 0:40:32.400
<v Speaker 2>can just feel like you're just making something that you know,

0:40:33.719 --> 0:40:35.400
<v Speaker 2>and you know, we do get we do get pampered

0:40:35.400 --> 0:40:37.960
<v Speaker 2>with instant gratification. So if I'm working on a production

0:40:38.040 --> 0:40:40.200
<v Speaker 2>more than three weeks, it feels like it's been forever.

0:40:40.360 --> 0:40:42.240
<v Speaker 2>No one's gonna you know, I haven't seen my audience

0:40:42.280 --> 0:40:45.640
<v Speaker 2>hasn't seen me in a year. So it can be

0:40:45.719 --> 0:40:49.360
<v Speaker 2>tough to staying focused and driven to just finish a project,

0:40:49.680 --> 0:40:54.319
<v Speaker 2>get it done, and upload it. Because another thing that's

0:40:54.360 --> 0:40:57.040
<v Speaker 2>kind of demotivating is that there isn't really a celebration

0:40:57.200 --> 0:40:59.840
<v Speaker 2>for anything. When it comes out. People will watch it

0:41:00.080 --> 0:41:01.839
<v Speaker 2>as you know, a surge of comments in the first

0:41:01.840 --> 0:41:04.360
<v Speaker 2>few days, but then immediately it's like, Okay, what's next.

0:41:04.880 --> 0:41:07.360
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And that can be yea yeah.

0:41:07.840 --> 0:41:09.880
<v Speaker 2>Especially as an artist. If you're a vlog or whatever,

0:41:09.880 --> 0:41:12.200
<v Speaker 2>you're just filming your life. But even that takes editing,

0:41:12.440 --> 0:41:14.200
<v Speaker 2>that takes work. You pour your heart and soul into

0:41:14.280 --> 0:41:17.960
<v Speaker 2>a video and then people just watch it, digested, shit

0:41:18.040 --> 0:41:20.400
<v Speaker 2>it out and want the next thing. Yeah, that's demotivating

0:41:20.400 --> 0:41:22.560
<v Speaker 2>for an artist because it's like, when you're getting excited

0:41:22.600 --> 0:41:25.000
<v Speaker 2>for the next idea you're part of, you starts to

0:41:25.000 --> 0:41:27.600
<v Speaker 2>think about after it's released and how short lived that

0:41:27.760 --> 0:41:30.800
<v Speaker 2>victory will feel. It's not like a live performance e

0:41:30.840 --> 0:41:33.360
<v Speaker 2>there where you hear the laughter. You know, there's no

0:41:33.920 --> 0:41:37.160
<v Speaker 2>sense of did they like it? The comments say sick, lol, cool,

0:41:37.239 --> 0:41:40.840
<v Speaker 2>but it's like did they enjoy it. I'll watch the

0:41:40.880 --> 0:41:43.520
<v Speaker 2>reaction videos, so people will do reaction videos and I'll

0:41:43.520 --> 0:41:45.080
<v Speaker 2>watch those and you can see where they laugh and

0:41:45.120 --> 0:41:47.440
<v Speaker 2>it's like having a focus group and you could see

0:41:47.440 --> 0:41:49.359
<v Speaker 2>which parts maybe they were bored, which parts they were

0:41:49.400 --> 0:41:51.239
<v Speaker 2>interested in. So that helps a lot.

0:41:52.040 --> 0:41:55.000
<v Speaker 1>Now, when you're doing all these productions, do you do

0:41:55.040 --> 0:41:57.239
<v Speaker 1>you see yourself long term wise? Like going on a

0:41:57.280 --> 0:42:00.160
<v Speaker 1>major network. You know, you have to feel like you're

0:41:59.840 --> 0:42:02.560
<v Speaker 1>you're almost training for the Olympics at this point. You know,

0:42:02.600 --> 0:42:04.560
<v Speaker 1>by the time you get to a major network, you're

0:42:04.600 --> 0:42:07.399
<v Speaker 1>going to be like this, four episodes in the can

0:42:07.440 --> 0:42:09.400
<v Speaker 1>in a month. You know, it's like working for p Diddy,

0:42:09.520 --> 0:42:11.319
<v Speaker 1>but you're you know when you're when you're doing what

0:42:11.360 --> 0:42:11.799
<v Speaker 1>you're doing.

0:42:11.960 --> 0:42:14.440
<v Speaker 2>The dream really is Netflix or any kind of or

0:42:14.480 --> 0:42:18.839
<v Speaker 2>a twenty four have some kind of a platform that's

0:42:18.880 --> 0:42:22.319
<v Speaker 2>known for letting creators be creators. I would love that,

0:42:22.360 --> 0:42:25.160
<v Speaker 2>But in my experience, a lot of networks love getting

0:42:25.200 --> 0:42:27.279
<v Speaker 2>their hands in there, and they're usually people that are

0:42:27.680 --> 0:42:31.279
<v Speaker 2>several decades older, have zero life, you know, there's no

0:42:31.320 --> 0:42:34.120
<v Speaker 2>overlap in experience with and so you know, I did

0:42:34.120 --> 0:42:36.600
<v Speaker 2>a show called Magic fun House, and that was a

0:42:36.600 --> 0:42:41.280
<v Speaker 2>goddamn nightmare, but it was I it was my first show,

0:42:41.360 --> 0:42:43.840
<v Speaker 2>like actual show. You know. It's the only thing that

0:42:44.200 --> 0:42:47.600
<v Speaker 2>Hollywood really recognizes like a legit production that I've done

0:42:47.640 --> 0:42:50.080
<v Speaker 2>because it was done by super DeLux, which is ran

0:42:50.160 --> 0:42:52.560
<v Speaker 2>by the guy that ran a division of CBS. It's

0:42:52.680 --> 0:42:55.160
<v Speaker 2>had TV blood in it. They gave me money for

0:42:55.280 --> 0:42:58.319
<v Speaker 2>us for two seasons of a show, and it is

0:42:58.360 --> 0:43:00.480
<v Speaker 2>on record the most watched show on the network before

0:43:00.520 --> 0:43:04.799
<v Speaker 2>the network went under. But oh, it was nothing but pushback.

0:43:04.880 --> 0:43:07.200
<v Speaker 2>It was nothing but just I would come up with

0:43:07.200 --> 0:43:09.000
<v Speaker 2>a script, or I would come up with a concept

0:43:09.040 --> 0:43:11.719
<v Speaker 2>for every episode. They would approve these concepts, and then

0:43:11.719 --> 0:43:15.719
<v Speaker 2>I would spend weeks writing these episodes out, and then

0:43:15.840 --> 0:43:18.200
<v Speaker 2>they would look at them and go, we can't afford this,

0:43:18.239 --> 0:43:20.520
<v Speaker 2>we can't afford this, we can't afford this, And so

0:43:20.560 --> 0:43:22.960
<v Speaker 2>then I'm having And they would expect these cuts made

0:43:23.000 --> 0:43:26.799
<v Speaker 2>to the script in like a small fraction of the time,

0:43:26.840 --> 0:43:30.400
<v Speaker 2>cuts that wouldn't require you to fundamentally change the story

0:43:31.320 --> 0:43:33.480
<v Speaker 2>and we only have weeks away. You're only allowed to

0:43:33.520 --> 0:43:35.480
<v Speaker 2>have this many actors per episode, You're only allowed to

0:43:35.520 --> 0:43:38.160
<v Speaker 2>have this many locations per episode. So now everything I

0:43:38.239 --> 0:43:40.759
<v Speaker 2>make is kind of a little bit to spite them,

0:43:40.800 --> 0:43:43.520
<v Speaker 2>because I love making stuff that has a myriad. Every

0:43:43.600 --> 0:43:45.440
<v Speaker 2>new location I have a scene take place in is

0:43:45.480 --> 0:43:47.440
<v Speaker 2>a middle finger to them, being like, oh, here's a

0:43:47.480 --> 0:43:50.400
<v Speaker 2>new if I want time. Wrote a scene in a bedroom,

0:43:51.000 --> 0:43:53.160
<v Speaker 2>and they did. They wanted me to cut it because

0:43:53.200 --> 0:43:55.560
<v Speaker 2>they would have to build the set to the bedroom.

0:43:55.880 --> 0:43:58.520
<v Speaker 2>I'm like, just go to someone's apart to find it. Nope,

0:43:58.640 --> 0:44:00.400
<v Speaker 2>because this show had to be done by the books,

0:44:00.440 --> 0:44:01.759
<v Speaker 2>like it has to be done in studio. That's a

0:44:01.800 --> 0:44:03.600
<v Speaker 2>company move. We can't bring our we can't bring our

0:44:03.640 --> 0:44:05.840
<v Speaker 2>craft food services, we can't bring our set, medic to

0:44:05.880 --> 0:44:07.600
<v Speaker 2>this apartment. Like don't. I'm not. I don't want them

0:44:07.600 --> 0:44:09.320
<v Speaker 2>to know, but what we have to so we're just

0:44:09.360 --> 0:44:12.560
<v Speaker 2>gonna keep So they had to build, They've built.

0:44:12.520 --> 0:44:15.280
<v Speaker 1>So I have to experience that. Would you I would?

0:44:15.280 --> 0:44:17.439
<v Speaker 1>I would assume you like your freedom more.

0:44:18.200 --> 0:44:20.399
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, and and and I've heard the same thing

0:44:20.440 --> 0:44:22.759
<v Speaker 2>from from other people who have kind of merged with

0:44:22.800 --> 0:44:24.799
<v Speaker 2>a big network and has to you know, have to

0:44:24.840 --> 0:44:28.680
<v Speaker 2>produce under a bunch of you know, old rich white men.

0:44:28.960 --> 0:44:31.799
<v Speaker 2>You know that that I think they know better for

0:44:31.920 --> 0:44:35.239
<v Speaker 2>your art than you do. Is a nightmare because what

0:44:35.560 --> 0:44:37.839
<v Speaker 2>a lot of times they'll let you get creative enough,

0:44:37.880 --> 0:44:40.720
<v Speaker 2>and then when they start seeing it materialize and realize

0:44:40.719 --> 0:44:43.440
<v Speaker 2>how much it's gonna cost, that's when they start getting

0:44:43.480 --> 0:44:45.200
<v Speaker 2>That's when they start getting creative.

0:45:00.360 --> 0:45:02.120
<v Speaker 5>You know what I mean, Like, wait a minute, wait

0:45:02.680 --> 0:45:02.959
<v Speaker 5>the way.

0:45:05.120 --> 0:45:08.600
<v Speaker 2>And those people, like a good executive really stays out

0:45:08.640 --> 0:45:11.359
<v Speaker 2>of the If y'all can agree on a number, that's great,

0:45:11.400 --> 0:45:13.319
<v Speaker 2>but you know that the number kept changing and during

0:45:13.360 --> 0:45:15.320
<v Speaker 2>production and all of a sudden we couldn't afford things.

0:45:15.480 --> 0:45:17.480
<v Speaker 2>I showed up to set one day and there's all

0:45:17.520 --> 0:45:19.440
<v Speaker 2>these other actors getting in hair and makeup, and I said,

0:45:19.440 --> 0:45:21.279
<v Speaker 2>who are these people? And they're like, oh, these we

0:45:21.400 --> 0:45:23.040
<v Speaker 2>We actually found some extra room in the budget, so

0:45:23.040 --> 0:45:24.560
<v Speaker 2>we got you some extras for the scene. I said,

0:45:24.560 --> 0:45:27.080
<v Speaker 2>this scene doesn't require extras. We had to send them all.

0:45:26.920 --> 0:45:29.240
<v Speaker 1>Home because it was and they had already paid.

0:45:29.040 --> 0:45:31.160
<v Speaker 2>For it, already paid for it. The money was just

0:45:31.160 --> 0:45:34.520
<v Speaker 2>going out of everyone's asshole on that project. So and

0:45:34.520 --> 0:45:36.800
<v Speaker 2>and uh, it was just nothing but tension between me

0:45:36.840 --> 0:45:39.200
<v Speaker 2>and the execs on that show. And in season two

0:45:39.280 --> 0:45:41.960
<v Speaker 2>I made the whole story about like evil executives, and

0:45:42.000 --> 0:45:44.560
<v Speaker 2>anytime there's an executive in my videos are usually pretty

0:45:44.560 --> 0:45:47.920
<v Speaker 2>imposing and evil. And it definitely is sort of my

0:45:48.000 --> 0:45:50.160
<v Speaker 2>own reminder of like, remember this is the experience you

0:45:50.200 --> 0:45:52.880
<v Speaker 2>had with them, But I don't know that was the

0:45:52.960 --> 0:45:57.439
<v Speaker 2>very isolated, uh, you know experience. Ever since then, I've

0:45:57.440 --> 0:46:01.080
<v Speaker 2>had nothing but amazing experiences with larger production. I'm kind

0:46:01.080 --> 0:46:03.359
<v Speaker 2>of glad that I had that first really you know, yeah,

0:46:03.440 --> 0:46:09.080
<v Speaker 2>tough experience, but it was. Yeah, it put things in

0:46:09.160 --> 0:46:11.560
<v Speaker 2>perspective in terms of what my dreams are in terms

0:46:11.640 --> 0:46:14.880
<v Speaker 2>of do I want. Is being on a network production

0:46:15.120 --> 0:46:17.920
<v Speaker 2>the end all? Is it the ultimate thing to achieve?

0:46:18.160 --> 0:46:21.640
<v Speaker 2>Or is working on a production that gets just as

0:46:21.640 --> 0:46:24.960
<v Speaker 2>many if not more views with less money, you know,

0:46:25.040 --> 0:46:27.480
<v Speaker 2>with making it with your friends without these restrictions. I mean,

0:46:28.280 --> 0:46:30.719
<v Speaker 2>it is kind of a I never would have thought

0:46:30.760 --> 0:46:33.759
<v Speaker 2>that making YouTube videos would be more enjoyable than doing

0:46:33.800 --> 0:46:36.760
<v Speaker 2>like a television production, but from my experience, it really

0:46:36.840 --> 0:46:38.560
<v Speaker 2>is like a fun way to just get your creative

0:46:39.520 --> 0:46:41.640
<v Speaker 2>juices out of you without having to run them through

0:46:42.320 --> 0:46:43.920
<v Speaker 2>a whole company to say it's okay.

0:46:44.120 --> 0:46:47.520
<v Speaker 1>Now, your journey was long, and I feel like I've

0:46:47.560 --> 0:46:50.359
<v Speaker 1>touched on more of the more fun sides of it.

0:46:50.800 --> 0:46:53.719
<v Speaker 1>I'm curious what a journey as long as it is,

0:46:53.800 --> 0:46:56.680
<v Speaker 1>What were your personal demons that a lot of people

0:46:56.880 --> 0:46:59.560
<v Speaker 1>weren't privy to to getting to where you are.

0:47:00.520 --> 0:47:03.640
<v Speaker 2>My body weight is the first, second, and third thing

0:47:03.800 --> 0:47:06.640
<v Speaker 2>that was the biggest. Every day I'd wake up hating myself.

0:47:06.680 --> 0:47:11.040
<v Speaker 2>I'd go to bed hating myself. Strictly, it was all

0:47:11.040 --> 0:47:14.320
<v Speaker 2>strictly physical. It wasn't you know I And it sucks

0:47:14.360 --> 0:47:16.239
<v Speaker 2>because I really thought at the time, I was like,

0:47:16.239 --> 0:47:18.319
<v Speaker 2>I have the ability to write these beautiful stories and

0:47:18.320 --> 0:47:21.239
<v Speaker 2>these amazing, you know, characters, and I kind of that

0:47:21.320 --> 0:47:24.000
<v Speaker 2>was my escape, was living in these this fictitious world

0:47:24.000 --> 0:47:27.880
<v Speaker 2>of these characters that I would create, because in the

0:47:27.920 --> 0:47:30.160
<v Speaker 2>real world, I didn't feel like pretty enough or good

0:47:30.160 --> 0:47:33.160
<v Speaker 2>looking enough. I didn't feel like, you know, a lot

0:47:33.200 --> 0:47:35.759
<v Speaker 2>of people would get big just being cute, and I

0:47:35.800 --> 0:47:37.719
<v Speaker 2>didn't have that ability. So I felt this pressure to

0:47:38.840 --> 0:47:41.719
<v Speaker 2>to really work harder on my art. So there was

0:47:41.719 --> 0:47:43.839
<v Speaker 2>always this resentment on my body weight because I'm like, well,

0:47:43.840 --> 0:47:45.560
<v Speaker 2>maybe if I was just thinner, I wouldn't have to

0:47:45.600 --> 0:47:50.600
<v Speaker 2>work so hard, and I would. I had so many

0:47:50.640 --> 0:47:55.640
<v Speaker 2>eating disorders, like so I would starve myself. I would binge,

0:47:55.680 --> 0:48:00.400
<v Speaker 2>I would make myself throw up. I would I did everything.

0:48:01.640 --> 0:48:02.560
<v Speaker 2>I would eat this shit.

0:48:04.360 --> 0:48:06.160
<v Speaker 1>Now you ate this not just because you were broke,

0:48:06.200 --> 0:48:07.959
<v Speaker 1>but because you were also trying to stay lean.

0:48:08.120 --> 0:48:10.759
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean it's it's a very deep psychological thing

0:48:10.840 --> 0:48:12.520
<v Speaker 2>that I've been battling my whole life. Is just my

0:48:12.840 --> 0:48:15.839
<v Speaker 2>body image. In school, I was constantly made fun of

0:48:15.840 --> 0:48:18.239
<v Speaker 2>for my body weight. I remember in Pe we had

0:48:18.280 --> 0:48:21.360
<v Speaker 2>to weigh ourselves every semester. We had to weigh ourselves

0:48:21.760 --> 0:48:24.920
<v Speaker 2>in front of all the other boys, and we'd get

0:48:24.960 --> 0:48:28.160
<v Speaker 2>up on the scale and he would the jim tsher

0:48:28.239 --> 0:48:31.120
<v Speaker 2>would shout off the weight to someone else logging it

0:48:31.160 --> 0:48:33.799
<v Speaker 2>in a book, so everyone knew what everyone weighed. And

0:48:33.920 --> 0:48:37.000
<v Speaker 2>I was one sixty at eleven years old, and that

0:48:37.080 --> 0:48:38.400
<v Speaker 2>was my nickname for the rest of the year. It

0:48:38.440 --> 0:48:39.120
<v Speaker 2>was one sixty.

0:48:39.480 --> 0:48:42.400
<v Speaker 1>Oh woweah, yeah, so that's where that can definitely.

0:48:42.719 --> 0:48:46.040
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it put me in a really unhealthy place that

0:48:46.120 --> 0:48:48.960
<v Speaker 2>made me obsess over my body, and much of it

0:48:49.040 --> 0:48:50.520
<v Speaker 2>still is stuff I'm dealing with today.

0:48:51.320 --> 0:48:53.120
<v Speaker 1>But because I was going to say you're very lean,

0:48:53.200 --> 0:48:56.040
<v Speaker 1>You're very I would say more on the well, I

0:48:56.040 --> 0:48:58.799
<v Speaker 1>don't want to say, but like on the slimmer side, right.

0:48:58.880 --> 0:49:01.360
<v Speaker 2>Thank you, Well I would have. I mean, i'd be

0:49:01.440 --> 0:49:03.759
<v Speaker 2>very happy to hear that. A long time ago, and

0:49:03.800 --> 0:49:05.960
<v Speaker 2>I am still happy. I work hard and I eat healthy.

0:49:06.000 --> 0:49:09.439
<v Speaker 2>I worked out every day. But it's from a lot

0:49:09.440 --> 0:49:11.799
<v Speaker 2>of mental illness, Like it's from a lot of just

0:49:12.360 --> 0:49:14.719
<v Speaker 2>me hating my own body for so many years. And

0:49:14.760 --> 0:49:18.239
<v Speaker 2>I do think I have a lot of like there's

0:49:18.239 --> 0:49:21.920
<v Speaker 2>an element of body dysmorphic disorder where all you know,

0:49:21.920 --> 0:49:24.560
<v Speaker 2>I look in a mirror and I'm kind of reminded subtly, like, oh,

0:49:24.760 --> 0:49:27.520
<v Speaker 2>I'm to this day, I'll still expect to see someone

0:49:27.520 --> 0:49:29.320
<v Speaker 2>who looks like how I looked.

0:49:29.520 --> 0:49:31.399
<v Speaker 1>So like, when you look in the mirror, you don't

0:49:31.440 --> 0:49:34.399
<v Speaker 1>necessarily see yourself, or do you do you just think

0:49:34.440 --> 0:49:37.000
<v Speaker 1>back on what you felt like you looked like before.

0:49:37.080 --> 0:49:39.400
<v Speaker 2>It's that I'm reminded, Oh, yeah, that's right, that's what

0:49:39.440 --> 0:49:40.960
<v Speaker 2>I look like like. I look at myself in a

0:49:40.960 --> 0:49:42.719
<v Speaker 2>mirror and I'm like, oh, yeah, that's what I look

0:49:42.840 --> 0:49:44.719
<v Speaker 2>like now. But when I look away, it's I ha

0:49:44.840 --> 0:49:46.920
<v Speaker 2>to like think of what I looked like, it's oh yes,

0:49:47.239 --> 0:49:49.600
<v Speaker 2>oh wow, you know if I even to, like when

0:49:49.600 --> 0:49:51.200
<v Speaker 2>I get out of a car every now and then,

0:49:51.200 --> 0:49:53.279
<v Speaker 2>I have to brace myself to stand up because it

0:49:53.360 --> 0:49:56.600
<v Speaker 2>was over a hundred, like hundred pounds that I lost roughly,

0:49:56.640 --> 0:49:59.080
<v Speaker 2>and so whenever I stand up, part of me still

0:49:59.080 --> 0:50:01.680
<v Speaker 2>thinks I have to, but I'm like, oh, I can

0:50:01.719 --> 0:50:05.320
<v Speaker 2>stand up. Yeah, So so it's it's, uh, it's weird.

0:50:05.400 --> 0:50:08.080
<v Speaker 2>You know. I totally get people who like I really

0:50:08.080 --> 0:50:11.680
<v Speaker 2>do understand people who who suffer with body image issues

0:50:11.680 --> 0:50:13.880
<v Speaker 2>of many different kinds because we all we all do

0:50:13.960 --> 0:50:17.600
<v Speaker 2>to an extent. But yeah, the be wanting to be

0:50:17.640 --> 0:50:22.480
<v Speaker 2>an actor and being overweight was really it was hard

0:50:22.520 --> 0:50:23.719
<v Speaker 2>for me to live with it because I was also

0:50:23.760 --> 0:50:26.480
<v Speaker 2>brown and the town I lived in it was a

0:50:26.560 --> 0:50:29.480
<v Speaker 2>it was a very affluent white town, and so I

0:50:29.520 --> 0:50:31.759
<v Speaker 2>felt I felt gay, I felt fat, I felt brown.

0:50:31.800 --> 0:50:33.480
<v Speaker 2>I just felt like I was a sub teer on

0:50:33.520 --> 0:50:36.040
<v Speaker 2>every level. Yeah that I wasn't you know, I wasn't

0:50:36.040 --> 0:50:38.560
<v Speaker 2>allowed to be at or the lead character.

0:50:38.719 --> 0:50:40.200
<v Speaker 1>Were you openly gay too or not?

0:50:40.280 --> 0:50:40.680
<v Speaker 2>No?

0:50:40.680 --> 0:50:41.480
<v Speaker 1>No, okay, it.

0:50:41.400 --> 0:50:43.520
<v Speaker 2>Didn't really matter. No people, I mean, I still got

0:50:43.520 --> 0:50:47.200
<v Speaker 2>called faggot all the time. But uh you know, oh yeah, yeah,

0:50:47.239 --> 0:50:49.200
<v Speaker 2>it was. It almost didn't matter if I was in

0:50:49.200 --> 0:50:52.480
<v Speaker 2>the closet or not, because it was if you acted feminine.

0:50:52.840 --> 0:50:55.319
<v Speaker 2>And it was really hard for me to hide that.

0:50:55.400 --> 0:50:57.279
<v Speaker 2>Like I had to really learn how to master the

0:50:57.440 --> 0:50:59.319
<v Speaker 2>musk of my voice. I had to really learn how

0:50:59.360 --> 0:51:02.239
<v Speaker 2>to like non lisp and not walk with a you know,

0:51:02.360 --> 0:51:03.960
<v Speaker 2>check my nails like this and not like this.

0:51:05.000 --> 0:51:08.240
<v Speaker 1>And so just again like that's a lot of different pressures.

0:51:08.600 --> 0:51:10.880
<v Speaker 1>It really, there's a lot of different pressures, not just

0:51:10.880 --> 0:51:14.359
<v Speaker 1>to wake up. But it's crazy because you you grow

0:51:14.440 --> 0:51:18.080
<v Speaker 1>up in this environment where it seems like you're mentally

0:51:18.520 --> 0:51:22.560
<v Speaker 1>almost hating on yourself, right, but then you find this escape,

0:51:23.040 --> 0:51:27.080
<v Speaker 1>which is being ultimately the most creative genius. Right, You're

0:51:27.080 --> 0:51:28.040
<v Speaker 1>a creative genius.

0:51:28.640 --> 0:51:30.120
<v Speaker 2>I knew that I was a very I knew that

0:51:30.160 --> 0:51:33.040
<v Speaker 2>I was creative more than other kids in school, and

0:51:33.520 --> 0:51:35.719
<v Speaker 2>like I guess, if I had any form of self love,

0:51:35.800 --> 0:51:38.640
<v Speaker 2>it was knowing that there was something special in my brain.

0:51:38.760 --> 0:51:42.200
<v Speaker 2>And I always kind of knew that, and everyone I

0:51:42.239 --> 0:51:44.359
<v Speaker 2>think is unique and special, but I really knew like

0:51:44.640 --> 0:51:46.200
<v Speaker 2>I would I would go home and I'd draw and

0:51:46.239 --> 0:51:48.840
<v Speaker 2>I'd write stories, and there was like a world. Somewhere

0:51:48.840 --> 0:51:50.839
<v Speaker 2>in here, I knew that, like I can get lost

0:51:50.880 --> 0:51:53.239
<v Speaker 2>in my imagination, it helps me just process shit if

0:51:53.239 --> 0:51:55.759
<v Speaker 2>I if I write it or draw it or put

0:51:55.800 --> 0:51:59.520
<v Speaker 2>it into a physical medium, and and then you know,

0:51:59.560 --> 0:52:01.040
<v Speaker 2>I would go back to school or I go back

0:52:01.080 --> 0:52:03.240
<v Speaker 2>to work as I got older, and I'd be immersed

0:52:03.280 --> 0:52:05.720
<v Speaker 2>into this world that reminds me that like, oh, nope,

0:52:05.760 --> 0:52:08.080
<v Speaker 2>you're not smart enough, you're not healthy enough, you're not

0:52:08.719 --> 0:52:11.720
<v Speaker 2>whatever enough to do anything outside of your own little universe.

0:52:11.760 --> 0:52:13.480
<v Speaker 2>And that's kind of been a chip on my shoulder

0:52:13.480 --> 0:52:15.279
<v Speaker 2>my whole life. And it's something that you know, I've

0:52:15.440 --> 0:52:18.279
<v Speaker 2>gone to therapy for years over is this feeling of

0:52:18.880 --> 0:52:20.719
<v Speaker 2>everything I do just isn't good enough and I have

0:52:20.719 --> 0:52:22.719
<v Speaker 2>to do it on my own. And that's it's really

0:52:22.760 --> 0:52:25.320
<v Speaker 2>tough because you know, a lot of my the products

0:52:25.320 --> 0:52:27.759
<v Speaker 2>that got me here, it was me doing it at

0:52:27.760 --> 0:52:29.480
<v Speaker 2>a time when not a lot of people believed in

0:52:29.520 --> 0:52:32.680
<v Speaker 2>me or not, you know, and and so yeah, it's

0:52:32.680 --> 0:52:35.440
<v Speaker 2>it's I definitely felt that, especially back then when I

0:52:35.520 --> 0:52:39.320
<v Speaker 2>was living back home, this inferiority complex of being too

0:52:40.280 --> 0:52:43.279
<v Speaker 2>anything in a certain direction. I was too fat, too brown.

0:52:43.040 --> 0:52:44.080
<v Speaker 1>Too Where's back home?

0:52:44.160 --> 0:52:47.440
<v Speaker 2>Just scared livermore so five hours up north from my own.

0:52:47.280 --> 0:52:48.440
<v Speaker 1>In California, California.

0:52:48.440 --> 0:52:49.160
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah.

0:52:49.200 --> 0:52:54.239
<v Speaker 1>And then okay, okay, and then what race are you?

0:52:54.760 --> 0:52:57.600
<v Speaker 2>So? I'm Spanish in Filipino.

0:52:57.320 --> 0:53:01.200
<v Speaker 1>Spanish and Filipino predominantly. Was it difficult when you were

0:53:01.239 --> 0:53:04.399
<v Speaker 1>going through like the body dysmorphia to get on camera

0:53:04.480 --> 0:53:05.920
<v Speaker 1>and play characters?

0:53:06.320 --> 0:53:08.400
<v Speaker 2>Yeah? Yeah. In fact, you can tell when I lost

0:53:08.400 --> 0:53:12.960
<v Speaker 2>all the weight because I all my characters were suddenly

0:53:13.000 --> 0:53:15.960
<v Speaker 2>like naked, Like they were all like not naked, but

0:53:16.000 --> 0:53:19.200
<v Speaker 2>like they wore very little clothing. Yeah, yeah, and that

0:53:19.320 --> 0:53:23.399
<v Speaker 2>was really. Yeah. I had a mom character who wears

0:53:23.440 --> 0:53:25.440
<v Speaker 2>like a skin tight spandex suit, and then I have,

0:53:26.360 --> 0:53:29.600
<v Speaker 2>you know, a character wearing short shorts, and before that,

0:53:29.680 --> 0:53:32.160
<v Speaker 2>all my characters wore long sleeves and were like wearing

0:53:32.200 --> 0:53:36.359
<v Speaker 2>suits and ties, and so yeah, that was not Yeah, yeah,

0:53:36.440 --> 0:53:39.800
<v Speaker 2>my body weight was was really I had a magnifying

0:53:39.800 --> 0:53:42.320
<v Speaker 2>glass on it because of all the characters I played.

0:53:42.640 --> 0:53:46.560
<v Speaker 1>Wow. Okay, and then now, what would you say is

0:53:46.600 --> 0:53:48.719
<v Speaker 1>one of your hardest milestones that you deal with on

0:53:48.760 --> 0:53:52.920
<v Speaker 1>a regular basis now that you've more arrived, I would say.

0:53:55.239 --> 0:54:05.400
<v Speaker 2>I feel like just I feel like just you know,

0:54:05.520 --> 0:54:08.120
<v Speaker 2>feeling that that normal sense of community that I felt

0:54:08.120 --> 0:54:11.160
<v Speaker 2>when I when I was like back home. It's hard

0:54:11.200 --> 0:54:14.279
<v Speaker 2>because I don't have a lot of time and I'm

0:54:14.320 --> 0:54:19.120
<v Speaker 2>either writing, editing, or filming, and so it feels like

0:54:19.120 --> 0:54:22.360
<v Speaker 2>like my social life has dwindled quite a bit. And

0:54:22.400 --> 0:54:25.399
<v Speaker 2>I've talked to other influencers or content creators and I've

0:54:25.600 --> 0:54:27.799
<v Speaker 2>heard similar stories. There is kind of a trade off,

0:54:27.840 --> 0:54:32.640
<v Speaker 2>you know, when your lifestyle shifts, you gain things you

0:54:32.760 --> 0:54:35.480
<v Speaker 2>like and you lose things that you know. You know,

0:54:35.560 --> 0:54:38.000
<v Speaker 2>there's a good trade off you and I think part

0:54:38.040 --> 0:54:39.879
<v Speaker 2>of the trade off for for where I am now

0:54:39.960 --> 0:54:42.239
<v Speaker 2>versus where I was before was the sense of just

0:54:43.040 --> 0:54:44.879
<v Speaker 2>I'm not around people as much as I and you'd

0:54:44.880 --> 0:54:46.560
<v Speaker 2>think I was around more people because I'm on set

0:54:46.600 --> 0:54:48.760
<v Speaker 2>more and I'm working with all these actors. What people

0:54:48.800 --> 0:54:52.480
<v Speaker 2>see on social media me around all these people in

0:54:52.520 --> 0:54:55.959
<v Speaker 2>a studio is that's like the only time I'm out

0:54:55.960 --> 0:54:59.759
<v Speaker 2>of the house. So that's like the ten percent of

0:54:59.760 --> 0:55:02.680
<v Speaker 2>time that other ninety percent of the time I'm home

0:55:03.080 --> 0:55:06.080
<v Speaker 2>alone having to like, you know, edit.

0:55:06.440 --> 0:55:09.000
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, So it's funny you say that because the friends

0:55:09.040 --> 0:55:12.080
<v Speaker 1>that I do have that are influencers, I literally can

0:55:12.120 --> 0:55:14.120
<v Speaker 1>send them a text, right now, like, let's go hang out,

0:55:14.120 --> 0:55:16.680
<v Speaker 1>and they're like, unless you want to go work out tomorrow,

0:55:19.360 --> 0:55:21.920
<v Speaker 1>The answer is no. That's like literally, if I want

0:55:21.960 --> 0:55:23.319
<v Speaker 1>to hang out with any of them, I'm like, what

0:55:23.400 --> 0:55:26.160
<v Speaker 1>time are you working out tomorrow? They're like two o'clock,

0:55:26.200 --> 0:55:28.520
<v Speaker 1>be at the house. If I say, hey, guys, I'm

0:55:28.520 --> 0:55:30.560
<v Speaker 1>going through something and I just really need someone to

0:55:30.560 --> 0:55:33.239
<v Speaker 1>talk to, They're like, call a suicide hotline. I wish

0:55:33.320 --> 0:55:36.160
<v Speaker 1>you the fucking best. Believe in yourself. There are people

0:55:36.200 --> 0:55:38.640
<v Speaker 1>with much worse, but I promise you their text will

0:55:38.680 --> 0:55:41.440
<v Speaker 1>be something like that, wish you the best. Believe in yourself.

0:55:41.520 --> 0:55:43.640
<v Speaker 1>There's people to have it way worse. Get the fuck

0:55:43.719 --> 0:55:46.520
<v Speaker 1>over it, call a hotline. I'm not a therapist, and

0:55:46.560 --> 0:55:48.960
<v Speaker 1>these are really good friends of mine, and as fucked

0:55:49.000 --> 0:55:50.960
<v Speaker 1>up as their text sound, it's the truth and it

0:55:50.960 --> 0:55:53.399
<v Speaker 1>snatch me out of whatever. But I will say, all

0:55:53.400 --> 0:55:55.319
<v Speaker 1>my influencer friends, the only time I can hang out

0:55:55.360 --> 0:55:57.399
<v Speaker 1>with them is if I say what time you working

0:55:57.400 --> 0:55:59.600
<v Speaker 1>out tomorrow? That's the only time you know.

0:55:59.640 --> 0:56:01.600
<v Speaker 2>And that's that's that's such an l a thing too,

0:56:01.600 --> 0:56:03.799
<v Speaker 2>I feel, and I'm I know what you mean. Are

0:56:03.840 --> 0:56:04.399
<v Speaker 2>you the same way?

0:56:04.400 --> 0:56:06.160
<v Speaker 1>If I were to be like, Yo, Brandon, let's meet up.

0:56:06.160 --> 0:56:08.680
<v Speaker 1>You'd be like, well, what's I'm working out at two o'clock.

0:56:08.719 --> 0:56:09.960
<v Speaker 1>You can show it to a clock you.

0:56:09.920 --> 0:56:18.360
<v Speaker 2>Call the suicide hotline. No, no, I I I. The

0:56:18.440 --> 0:56:20.960
<v Speaker 2>thing is everyone's so busy in their own lane here

0:56:21.000 --> 0:56:23.080
<v Speaker 2>that the only way for people to see each other

0:56:23.160 --> 0:56:25.400
<v Speaker 2>is if you both see each other doing something you

0:56:25.440 --> 0:56:28.000
<v Speaker 2>were already gonna do, so like it was a working

0:56:28.040 --> 0:56:29.920
<v Speaker 2>out thing, because I've done I've had so many workout

0:56:29.960 --> 0:56:32.200
<v Speaker 2>hangouts where it's like you want to go on a hike. Oh, yeah,

0:56:32.200 --> 0:56:33.879
<v Speaker 2>I was supposed to work out tomorrow. You're gonna work.

0:56:34.000 --> 0:56:36.279
<v Speaker 2>Let's just go on a hike. Yeah, I've definitely done

0:56:36.600 --> 0:56:39.920
<v Speaker 2>that before. But I think that it's important that you know,

0:56:40.960 --> 0:56:42.879
<v Speaker 2>you always have at least someone to turn to if

0:56:42.880 --> 0:56:45.680
<v Speaker 2>you're going through a hard time, at least that one person.

0:56:46.040 --> 0:56:48.719
<v Speaker 2>But it can it can get pretty lonely the higher

0:56:48.800 --> 0:56:52.600
<v Speaker 2>up you Just in my experience when I was surrounded

0:56:52.600 --> 0:56:55.920
<v Speaker 2>by the most love and and and people around me,

0:56:55.960 --> 0:56:58.000
<v Speaker 2>that was like earlier and like you know, and every

0:56:58.120 --> 0:57:00.960
<v Speaker 2>year I find myself myself spending more and more time

0:57:01.000 --> 0:57:03.120
<v Speaker 2>alone to where I was like this last year, I

0:57:03.120 --> 0:57:04.520
<v Speaker 2>think I spent new Years by myself.

0:57:04.680 --> 0:57:07.840
<v Speaker 1>Oh I also start of my life by the way, guys,

0:57:07.840 --> 0:57:08.800
<v Speaker 1>But yeah.

0:57:08.719 --> 0:57:12.000
<v Speaker 2>I was. I was on Zoom with some other influencers

0:57:12.040 --> 0:57:14.560
<v Speaker 2>who were also spending New Years by themselves. It was

0:57:14.640 --> 0:57:15.560
<v Speaker 2>really good.

0:57:15.640 --> 0:57:17.880
<v Speaker 1>That's actually pretty good to know because I think people

0:57:17.920 --> 0:57:19.960
<v Speaker 1>when they see influencers, they think, oh my god, he

0:57:20.080 --> 0:57:22.120
<v Speaker 1>is the best life, the most amazing life. And it's

0:57:22.200 --> 0:57:25.360
<v Speaker 1>just like, well to hear that influencers are spending New

0:57:25.440 --> 0:57:29.800
<v Speaker 1>Year's on Zoom alone. That's that's something that I don't think.

0:57:30.280 --> 0:57:32.160
<v Speaker 2>No one talks about that. And I have a few

0:57:32.160 --> 0:57:34.280
<v Speaker 2>friends that I hang out with that were actors and

0:57:34.360 --> 0:57:36.600
<v Speaker 2>shows that I would watch before I moved to LA

0:57:36.840 --> 0:57:38.400
<v Speaker 2>And when I hang out with them, it's not like

0:57:38.400 --> 0:57:40.840
<v Speaker 2>we're hanging out at a big part. It's like we're

0:57:40.840 --> 0:57:43.200
<v Speaker 2>hanging out, grabbing coffee or we're hanging I think this

0:57:43.280 --> 0:57:46.760
<v Speaker 2>is this myth that like entertainers are abundantly surrounded by people,

0:57:46.880 --> 0:57:49.160
<v Speaker 2>but that's only when you see them on camera they're

0:57:49.200 --> 0:57:52.320
<v Speaker 2>with you know, for me at least, Yeah, like I said,

0:57:52.360 --> 0:57:54.440
<v Speaker 2>ninety percent of the time, I'm just by myself. And

0:57:55.080 --> 0:57:58.640
<v Speaker 2>it's kind of nice because Hollywood's a noisy place and

0:57:59.240 --> 0:58:01.880
<v Speaker 2>if you can afford it by yourself in this town. Yeah,

0:58:01.880 --> 0:58:04.320
<v Speaker 2>because it's not cheap living here. So I you know,

0:58:04.560 --> 0:58:06.840
<v Speaker 2>as much as I hate being alone, I'm also reminded like,

0:58:06.880 --> 0:58:09.080
<v Speaker 2>at least I can afford a roof over my head.

0:58:09.120 --> 0:58:11.680
<v Speaker 2>And like, because I've had some crazy roommates.

0:58:12.200 --> 0:58:15.360
<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, yeah, I've definitely had the times of a

0:58:15.400 --> 0:58:19.080
<v Speaker 1>million roommates. And but you know, now, years later, I

0:58:19.120 --> 0:58:22.400
<v Speaker 1>was thinking this morning, I'm so thankful for even the

0:58:22.440 --> 0:58:24.800
<v Speaker 1>headaches that I get. I'm like, wow, Like, you know,

0:58:24.880 --> 0:58:27.760
<v Speaker 1>I told you earlier my engineering headache, my engineering headache.

0:58:27.800 --> 0:58:30.640
<v Speaker 1>But it's like, yo, how lucky am I to like

0:58:30.760 --> 0:58:32.520
<v Speaker 1>have this is my problem of the day.

0:58:32.680 --> 0:58:35.000
<v Speaker 2>I know, well there's champagne problems, but there's still problems,

0:58:35.080 --> 0:58:36.280
<v Speaker 2>because oh there's still problems.

0:58:36.280 --> 0:58:38.280
<v Speaker 1>They're real legit when you're going through your phone, Like.

0:58:39.200 --> 0:58:42.640
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's it's entertainment, is well what we do because

0:58:42.680 --> 0:58:44.520
<v Speaker 2>we were very similar in the sense that we both

0:58:44.560 --> 0:58:48.800
<v Speaker 2>produce our own thing, and it's it's it looks like

0:58:48.960 --> 0:58:51.080
<v Speaker 2>entertainment to the rest of the world, but it's our jobs.

0:58:51.120 --> 0:58:53.600
<v Speaker 2>And so like you, whatever part of your brain has

0:58:53.640 --> 0:58:55.800
<v Speaker 2>to problem solve the way an accountant or a doctor,

0:58:56.000 --> 0:58:57.720
<v Speaker 2>it's still that same part of your brain that's having

0:58:57.720 --> 0:58:59.560
<v Speaker 2>and like, okay, like I got to figure this out.

0:58:59.600 --> 0:59:02.200
<v Speaker 2>You know. It's it's entertainment, but it still is just

0:59:02.240 --> 0:59:04.720
<v Speaker 2>as stressful as I think, like a real job.

0:59:04.920 --> 0:59:09.439
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you're prioritizing fires. And I always, I always, even

0:59:09.440 --> 0:59:10.920
<v Speaker 1>when people call me and they're like, well you have

0:59:10.920 --> 0:59:12.400
<v Speaker 1>a fire over here or fire over here, you have

0:59:12.400 --> 0:59:14.880
<v Speaker 1>a fire over here, in my brain, I'm like, okay,

0:59:15.400 --> 0:59:18.600
<v Speaker 1>which is the most important fire? Which fire can I delegate?

0:59:18.600 --> 0:59:21.880
<v Speaker 1>And which fire they I ain't really worried about it,

0:59:21.880 --> 0:59:23.959
<v Speaker 1>that's not really that's a you know, I have.

0:59:23.840 --> 0:59:27.440
<v Speaker 2>The hardest time with that. I swear to God my fires,

0:59:28.040 --> 0:59:30.040
<v Speaker 2>to me, they're all equal, and I will spend so

0:59:30.120 --> 0:59:32.000
<v Speaker 2>much time putting out a fire that doesn't matter, while

0:59:32.000 --> 0:59:34.080
<v Speaker 2>like my house is burning down, and.

0:59:34.040 --> 0:59:38.880
<v Speaker 1>So yeah, no, I'll separate the fires from the from Okay,

0:59:39.120 --> 0:59:41.240
<v Speaker 1>that's a I could delegate. I can hand that off.

0:59:41.400 --> 0:59:43.760
<v Speaker 1>But what I do will, what I will say is

0:59:43.800 --> 0:59:48.760
<v Speaker 1>that whenever I see a potential fire, oh yeah, I'm like, yo,

0:59:50.040 --> 0:59:52.600
<v Speaker 1>that potential fire needs to be put out while it's

0:59:52.600 --> 0:59:55.880
<v Speaker 1>a potential fire, right right, So, like before my engineer

0:59:56.160 --> 1:00:01.240
<v Speaker 1>nightmares started, happened, Please believe I'll started and firefighters together

1:00:01.280 --> 1:00:03.560
<v Speaker 1>the whole time. Look, we're getting the light, Brandon. It

1:00:03.640 --> 1:00:06.120
<v Speaker 1>is such a pleasure to hang with you. Is there

1:00:06.160 --> 1:00:09.240
<v Speaker 1>anything that you think that I missed that I could

1:00:09.240 --> 1:00:12.160
<v Speaker 1>have shared that you you could have shared that your

1:00:12.200 --> 1:00:15.200
<v Speaker 1>fans don't necessarily know about your story.

1:00:14.920 --> 1:00:21.840
<v Speaker 2>You know, I gosh, don't eat canned chicken with balsonic vinegar.

1:00:22.200 --> 1:00:24.880
<v Speaker 2>It really even eating kind of like I'm kind of like,

1:00:25.320 --> 1:00:28.640
<v Speaker 2>I don't know if I should have eaten that, but no,

1:00:28.800 --> 1:00:31.280
<v Speaker 2>I honestly I appreciate you having me here. I don't

1:00:31.280 --> 1:00:34.040
<v Speaker 2>get to talk about that part of my life very much,

1:00:34.080 --> 1:00:36.600
<v Speaker 2>but it is, I mean, my body, my weight, what

1:00:36.680 --> 1:00:38.800
<v Speaker 2>I used to eat when I was broke is such

1:00:38.800 --> 1:00:40.560
<v Speaker 2>a big part of me and makes me who I

1:00:40.600 --> 1:00:42.560
<v Speaker 2>am today, And so thank you for giving me a

1:00:42.600 --> 1:00:44.840
<v Speaker 2>space that really is appropriate to talk about that.

1:00:45.040 --> 1:00:48.680
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and just so you know, as messed up as

1:00:48.680 --> 1:00:50.560
<v Speaker 1>this is gonna sound, I appreciate you cooking for me.

1:00:50.960 --> 1:00:54.800
<v Speaker 1>But I second that do not eat canned chicken with

1:00:54.880 --> 1:00:57.960
<v Speaker 1>bolsonic vinegar. Every matter of fact, if you do the

1:00:58.000 --> 1:01:01.040
<v Speaker 1>canned chicken, you know, definitely mix it with like a

1:01:01.160 --> 1:01:04.600
<v Speaker 1>sogpreneiur or what have you book can Chicken should never

1:01:04.680 --> 1:01:06.080
<v Speaker 1>be eaten straight out the can.

1:01:06.240 --> 1:01:09.200
<v Speaker 2>I think we've said so preneer a different way every entrepreneur.

1:01:10.360 --> 1:01:12.760
<v Speaker 1>Someone's gonna go on the comments and really hate us

1:01:12.760 --> 1:01:13.000
<v Speaker 1>for this.

1:01:13.240 --> 1:01:16.880
<v Speaker 2>It's so I know, it's all the accent marks. So

1:01:16.920 --> 1:01:20.360
<v Speaker 2>it's all No, I I I really appreciate you having

1:01:20.360 --> 1:01:20.920
<v Speaker 2>me here, Thank you?

1:01:21.000 --> 1:01:21.200
<v Speaker 5>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 1>And then where can people? Where can guess catch up

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<v Speaker 1>with Brandon Rogers?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh? You can catch YouTube is my main spot by

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<v Speaker 2>any search bar. Just type in my name, see what

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<v Speaker 2>you find.

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<v Speaker 1>And then Instagram and ticked out? And then do you

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<v Speaker 1>also get paid from those platforms?

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<v Speaker 2>Those are really more promotional tools for my YouTube?

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<v Speaker 1>YouTube?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 1>YouTube? I heard Facebook is the real payer.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, the YouTube is. I'm loyal to YouTube though.

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<v Speaker 1>They have a YouTube and Facebook owned by the same company.

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<v Speaker 2>No, no, Facebook Meta owns Facebook and then Google owns YouTube.

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<v Speaker 1>I believe oh man, people have been getting paid on Facebook.

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<v Speaker 1>Don't sleep on Facebook. You're gonna go home and he's

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<v Speaker 1>gonna monetize the Facebook. Another text to his account. No,

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<v Speaker 1>I hear Facebook's payouts are crazy.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, I mean they're they are, They are very reputable.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't want to knock them. They're great. I didn't

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<v Speaker 2>have a Facebook show one day. They did pay for

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<v Speaker 2>a show that I had a.

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<v Speaker 1>Long time agot, but mainly it's YouTube, Instagram and TikTok. Yes,

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