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Speaker 1: Hey, guys, welcome to another episode of Eating While Broke.

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Speaker 1: I'm your host, Coleen Witt, and today we have very

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Speaker 1: special guest. Comedian, actor, writer influencer Brandon Rogers is in

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Speaker 1: the building.

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Speaker 2: Thank you so much for having me. This is the

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Speaker 2: coolest studio I've ever been And you can cook full

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Speaker 2: meals right here and not have to leave the studio.

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Speaker 1: Yes, and I'm very fortunate because I get to challenge

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Speaker 1: all my guests to feed me. I will say this,

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Speaker 1: this is the first time we've had your dish on

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Speaker 1: the show. What will you be having us eat today?

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Speaker 2: Today we're eating canned chicken with balsamic vinaigrette and sagir soganeer.

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Speaker 2: How everybody say, I'm just a fan of.

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Speaker 3: The flat a, but I would throw the chicken into

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Speaker 3: the sogpanier and cook.

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Speaker 2: It like that. But I would also eat the chicken

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Speaker 2: right out of the can by itself, just put a

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Speaker 2: little balsamic on it and go in with the fork.

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Speaker 2: And I would just eat that while I worked at

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Speaker 2: a hotel back behind the front desk. Really yeah, I'd

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Speaker 2: pop a can open to that and then just go

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Speaker 2: to town on the well, yeah, I was eating weird

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Speaker 2: shit back then.

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Speaker 1: I like your creativity. You sound like you were like, oh,

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Speaker 1: desperate measures will work with what we got chicken.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it was weird. I wanted to I was very

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Speaker 2: heavy back then, and I wanted to get thin real fast,

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Speaker 2: and I didn't know how to. So I thought, well, like,

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Speaker 2: what's like the bare bones of what I could eat? Oh?

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Speaker 2: Just meat, like caveman mentality. So I'm like, I'm just

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Speaker 2: gonna eat chicken out of the can. And I just

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Speaker 2: threw the balsamic in there. So it wasn't just entirely flavorless.

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Speaker 1: But I saw it in the chicken in the can.

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Speaker 1: It has like a little fat in it, doesn't it fat?

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Speaker 2: But not sugar. I was very into like no sugar.

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Speaker 1: And I still I'm saying, you ate it cold, not warm.

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Speaker 2: Right out right out, I mean not Ni'd eat it

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Speaker 2: room temperature.

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Speaker 1: Oh my god, your gangster. Okay. And then for us

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Speaker 1: who did not know, because I did not know what

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Speaker 1: sog or sag panaire is, can you explain what it is?

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Speaker 2: So it's like spinach and spices and like you like

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Speaker 2: basically like food process like chopped up finally and then

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Speaker 2: cooked with cream and there's like cubes of cheese that

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Speaker 2: are in it, and so it's like basically spinach cream

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Speaker 2: and cheese. It's almost like the closest thing I could

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Speaker 2: think of too, Like an American dish would be like

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Speaker 2: spinach dip maybe, but meant to be eaten, not as

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Speaker 2: a side or a dip, like as an actual like dishes.

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Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, okay, And then your team said I could

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Speaker 1: either get it from a restaurant or get it in

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Speaker 1: the store. I did get it from the restaurant. I

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Speaker 1: just want to tell you all listeners, this sog panaire.

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Speaker 1: Please forgive us for butchering the name, but I think

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Speaker 1: I paid ten dollars and it definitely looks like you'd

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Speaker 1: be like two to three people, right.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I can eat one of I could put one

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Speaker 2: of those down easily. I'd probably put one and a

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Speaker 2: half two of those down easy.

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Speaker 1: I love you. Then, so basically this whole dish essentially

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Speaker 1: just costs like twelve bucks.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's it's good because I'm I I live

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Speaker 2: totally like Bachelor style. I don't eat a full meal

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Speaker 2: at a time. I sometimes i'll eat extra or less

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Speaker 2: than and it's nice because I just eat however much

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Speaker 2: I want put it away. And I eat this probably

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Speaker 2: every single day.

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Speaker 4: Like really yeah yeah, like up so recently up till yesterday.

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Speaker 1: What yeah, I wish you would have came here yesterday.

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Speaker 1: We would have had you ready, I know, I know.

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Speaker 2: But you know, I'm actually more used to eating it

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Speaker 2: cold because I have food prep it. So I'll buy

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Speaker 2: a bunch of the week and I only eat it

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Speaker 2: like fresh on Monday or Tuesday, and the rest it's

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Speaker 2: all either cold or reheated. So I'm this, I'm like.

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Speaker 1: This, and this is uh, this is healthy. It's pretty healthy, and.

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Speaker 2: I feel like I've been healthy since I've been eating it,

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Speaker 2: like I really. I either eat it by itself or

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Speaker 2: with something else, but I probably eat it for almost

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Speaker 2: every single meal really yeah, and my food I don't

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Speaker 2: get sickos. That's why it's the only every every other food.

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Speaker 2: I kind of get like tired of having more than

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Speaker 2: three times.

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Speaker 1: Well, let's see if this dish can to my favorite list.

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Speaker 2: I should If it doesn't. If it doesn't, oh my god,

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna feel I'm gonna feel like a monster.

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Speaker 1: And let's see. So why don't you start cooking for

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Speaker 1: me and then, yes, while you cook for me, take

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Speaker 1: me back to what was going on before it became

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Speaker 1: your popular favorite dish.

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Speaker 2: Let's go on this journey together.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, let's go on this journey together.

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Speaker 2: All right, go for it, all right, all right, Well

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Speaker 2: let's see here, We're gonna go low here. And yes,

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Speaker 2: I would reheat this like this all the time because

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Speaker 2: I lived at my mom's house and she had and

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Speaker 2: then I moved out into a studio with barely a kitchen,

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Speaker 2: and ange learnew to eat everything cold. Oh yeah, I

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Speaker 2: had ten years without a microwave, and it made me

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Speaker 2: appreciate microwaves so much. You just know it in a

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Speaker 2: box and it's hot all of a sudden.

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Speaker 1: How do you go ten years without a microwave?

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Speaker 2: I live ten years in a shoe box bedroom, living room, bathroom, kitchen.

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Speaker 2: It was all one room. Well the bathroom was behind

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Speaker 2: a door, but yeah, it was a tiny, tiny place.

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Speaker 2: I think this is on. Oh yes, it is all right. Okay,

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Speaker 2: I'm not a good cook, just letting you know. I

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Speaker 2: most of my food has been Uber eats for the

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Speaker 2: past four years.

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Speaker 1: I feel like most of the guests on our show

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Speaker 1: haven't cooked or I mean, in years.

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Speaker 2: Well, you know what, it's going to be an experience,

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Speaker 2: So I'm just gonna do it the clean way. They

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Speaker 2: call this the the good old Brandon flip. You go

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Speaker 2: one tooth, okay, all right, and it requires a little

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Speaker 2: bit of dancing.

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Speaker 1: Do you want those one of those utensil things?

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Speaker 2: Okay?

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Speaker 1: Oh you know, oh there it goes.

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Speaker 2: It worked, yes, And this is a sog cast role.

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Speaker 2: We're gonna turn it into a stir frye here. Okay, okay,

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Speaker 2: let's see. I'm gonna use this because I think the

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Speaker 2: green and the red go well together. Okay, excuse me.

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Speaker 1: Oh good, you have a cough. By the way, we

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Speaker 1: all have this magic cough that doesn't go away, so

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Speaker 1: all y'all listeners gotta beer through it.

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Speaker 2: So it basically looks like every gross food food from

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Speaker 2: every cartoon. Every time they were like at the lunch

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Speaker 2: it was this ship. Yeah, but I love it because

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Speaker 2: there's so much flavor and.

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Speaker 1: It smells good.

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Speaker 2: It's yeah, it's I don't know what exactly goes into

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Speaker 2: I've been eating it all these years. I don't know

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Speaker 2: the spices that go into I want to say there's garlic.

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Speaker 1: There's definitely curry, curR definitely curryles curry curry.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, definitely curry. And depending on what kind of restaurant

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Speaker 2: the but it's generally this is actually very look looks

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Speaker 2: like what I have every day. So if it's disgusting,

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Speaker 2: fuck me.

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Speaker 1: Okay, So it looks healthy. And the cheese, the cheese

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Speaker 1: chunks look like chunks are the cheese just actually bite

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Speaker 1: into it or doesn't melt pannier cheese.

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Speaker 2: It's very specific. It almost the textures almost like tofu it.

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Speaker 2: Oh you don't like tofu? I love I love tofu,

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Speaker 2: but I love this even more. Really, Yeah, I haven't

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Speaker 1: I can't stand the texture of it. Really, But you

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Speaker 1: know what I'm starting to see. We we have one

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Speaker 1: thing that come and you like pickled eggs and tofu

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Speaker 2: Oh interesting, you know how I think about it, those

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Speaker 2: would go good together. Yeah, I feel like tofu is

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Speaker 2: like to me, that's like the future, like scientifically engineered

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Speaker 2: to be non offensive food. Food, Like we've engineered a

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Speaker 2: the tofu has always been space food to me, so

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Speaker 2: I always felt futuristic eating tofu. I hope this is odd.

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Speaker 1: It is, but electric sometimes you got to turn it

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Speaker 2: There's an electric stoves. Aren't these incredible? I mean, this

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Speaker 2: blows my mind to this day. This looks so cool

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Speaker 1: That's good. A lot of people love the gas. So

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Speaker 1: tell tell me what was going on in the time

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Speaker 2: I was really going through this craze of like no sugar.

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Speaker 2: So I was trying to find the most flavorful foods

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Speaker 2: it's basically just pure spinach, and I don't know, like

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Speaker 2: when at the time when I discovered this, I would

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Speaker 1: Ben here, wait a minute, wait a minute, let me

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Speaker 1: get this straight. So you and your friend will order

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Speaker 1: one dish, wait till everybody else left the restaurant, and

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Speaker 1: go pick out on their leftovers. Yeah, that's pretty awesome.

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Speaker 1: I don't think. I'm sure people have thought of doing it,

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Speaker 2: I also used to dumpster dive a lot. What do

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Speaker 2: you mean, Like in college. I would go because they

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Speaker 2: So my friend and I we would call each other

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Speaker 2: And we would just go diving, and.

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Speaker 1: So you could go to a grocery store and the like, yeah.

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Speaker 2: We go behind like a Roufs or something and just

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Speaker 2: around nine or ten and like around closing time or whatever.

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Speaker 2: You know, we would go back there and find a

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Speaker 2: lot of it was like carb stuff, so boxes of

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Speaker 1: I feel like, yeah, you know what's so funny. When

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Speaker 1: eggs went up, I'm not gonna lie. I started to

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Speaker 1: talk to the grocery you know, check out, like yo, like,

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Speaker 1: no one's buying your eggs right now, and they'd be like, yo,

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Speaker 1: your YouTube, but you're working at this law firm. Yeah,

439
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Speaker 1: And I just want I want to frame references because

440
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Speaker 1: I think whenever people think of influencers, they think overnight.

441
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Speaker 1: You're saying that you're working full time jobs while still

442
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Speaker 1: doing something you're passionate about. Now at this point, are

443
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Speaker 1: you starting to think about monetizing or are you monetizing

444
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Speaker 1: at that.

445
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Speaker 2: Point, I was monetizing. I started monetizing, I think in

446
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Speaker 2: two thousand and nine, but I wasn't making substantially anything

447
00:19:01,800 --> 00:19:04,040
Speaker 2: I was. I would have to find odd jobs to

448
00:19:04,280 --> 00:19:06,640
Speaker 2: keep the lights on, even outside of the law firm.

449
00:19:06,840 --> 00:19:08,720
Speaker 2: Like the law firm was a great full time job,

450
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Speaker 2: but I still wasn't making.

451
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Speaker 4: Enough, like yeah, support of something in La in La,

452
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Speaker 4: Oh my god, it's so And I lived in I

453
00:19:15,320 --> 00:19:19,199
Speaker 4: lived in Koreatown, so like nowhere was close to get to,

454
00:19:19,600 --> 00:19:22,160
Speaker 4: you know, gas was so expensive because you killed half

455
00:19:22,160 --> 00:19:25,840
Speaker 4: your tank just finding the nearest freeway, and and so

456
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Speaker 4: it was.

457
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Speaker 2: It was really it was tough. I had to do

458
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Speaker 2: a lot of commercials for places. I would would film

459
00:19:32,400 --> 00:19:34,919
Speaker 2: commercials for all kinds of businesses because I could write

460
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Speaker 2: and edit.

461
00:19:35,800 --> 00:19:37,520
Speaker 1: And so, like you would knock on their door and

462
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Speaker 1: be like, hey, I'll do your commercial for you, or

463
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Speaker 1: did you well.

464
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Speaker 2: A lot of it eventually became word of mouth. I

465
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Speaker 2: would do a commercial for someone and they'd refer me

466
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Speaker 2: to their you know friend who also runs a different company,

467
00:19:48,440 --> 00:19:51,000
Speaker 2: and they would need a commercial. So I started doing

468
00:19:51,080 --> 00:19:54,080
Speaker 2: these really cheap and easy commercials because I could film something,

469
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Speaker 2: edit it. I could even cast the commercial because I

470
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Speaker 2: you know, wow La casting accounts. So I would just

471
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Speaker 2: find actors, and many of them I still talk to

472
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Speaker 2: today and work with in my videos. And so every

473
00:20:05,760 --> 00:20:08,040
Speaker 2: little odd job I did in a way was training

474
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Speaker 2: for what I do now. It was a way of

475
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Speaker 2: me doing video work in some way. At the law firm,

476
00:20:11,960 --> 00:20:14,240
Speaker 2: I did video work for them. I'd go to clients'

477
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Speaker 2: houses and interview clients who like broke their ankles, and

478
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Speaker 2: we'd show the video to the jury and.

479
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Speaker 1: Try, is that actually what you did for the law firm.

480
00:20:20,680 --> 00:20:23,879
Speaker 2: I did anything relating to video. Anything regarding video I

481
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Speaker 2: did for.

482
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Speaker 1: Them now was your job.

483
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Speaker 2: Yeah. So I'd do their commercials. I would do like depositions,

484
00:20:30,160 --> 00:20:32,000
Speaker 2: I would anything that needed to be filmed, I would

485
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Speaker 2: film it, and it eventually kind of led me into

486
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Speaker 2: doing videos that were in the same format but for YouTube,

487
00:20:38,280 --> 00:20:39,840
Speaker 2: because then eventually I got known for doing these like

488
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Speaker 2: documentary format exposees on a day in the life of

489
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Speaker 2: a character, So like b roll footage of just them living,

490
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Speaker 2: you know, a day in their life, cut with like

491
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Speaker 2: interviews like in the office or something, you know, talking

492
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Speaker 2: about who they are and what they stand for.

493
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Speaker 1: Oh, kind of like the office set up. Okay, okay, yes,

494
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Speaker 1: So I.

495
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Speaker 2: Found that format at the law firm, and then I

496
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Speaker 2: kind of translated that in my videos and and and

497
00:21:03,320 --> 00:21:06,399
Speaker 2: uh I still do that today, and I still keep

498
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Speaker 2: in touch with everyone at the law firm as well,

499
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Speaker 2: because there, you know, I was there for three years

500
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Speaker 2: and so I was very close with a lot of.

501
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Speaker 1: I'm okay, service up. Yeah, So your dish looks legit.

502
00:21:31,840 --> 00:21:34,159
Speaker 2: It's you know, I can't say I cooked it, but

503
00:21:34,240 --> 00:21:38,680
Speaker 2: it looks like I did some. Yeah, and this might

504
00:21:38,720 --> 00:21:40,480
Speaker 2: get everywhere. I'm so sorry if it does.

505
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Speaker 1: As long as it doesn't splash on me, I'm good.

506
00:21:42,320 --> 00:21:44,560
Speaker 2: Okay, it looks good, all right, And I have the

507
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Speaker 2: rest of it.

508
00:21:45,240 --> 00:21:45,879
Speaker 1: Yeah, I have it.

509
00:21:45,920 --> 00:21:46,480
Speaker 2: Here it goes.

510
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Speaker 1: Have fun because this definitely looks like what you described

511
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Speaker 1: the classroom, the cafeteria. It looks like something that my

512
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Speaker 1: dog would you know, it just is.

513
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Speaker 2: Your dog cute. I'm gonna have some of this.

514
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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm gonna I'm gonna do whatever you do.

515
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Speaker 2: So you're telling me about your I.

516
00:22:02,720 --> 00:22:04,960
Speaker 1: Was just describing this meal through my dog, and you

517
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Speaker 1: don't want to know how I was describing it. But

518
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Speaker 1: do you mix it in?

519
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Speaker 2: No? Well, I was already chicken mixed in there. This

520
00:22:11,960 --> 00:22:13,240
Speaker 2: is just like the salad chicken.

521
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Speaker 1: Okay, so we're going to test the balsamic canned chicken.

522
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Speaker 1: Just playing here we go.

523
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Speaker 2: Oh my god, it takes me back.

524
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Speaker 1: Don't know what I know. The camera caught my face

525
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Speaker 1: on that one.

526
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Speaker 2: Was it not a good face?

527
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Speaker 1: I didn't see it was one of those Oh wait,

528
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Speaker 1: passed me the balsomac. I don't know if I can

529
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Speaker 1: taste it.

530
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Speaker 5: Oh my god.

531
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Speaker 1: I used to eat this.

532
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Speaker 2: Yeah, used to the sepreneur.

533
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Speaker 1: Do you see I just drowned it in balstomic Hold on,

534
00:22:42,560 --> 00:22:46,520
Speaker 1: you know you are a perfect guest for this show.

535
00:22:46,600 --> 00:22:48,800
Speaker 1: I really believe you were broken at some point.

536
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Speaker 2: I don't eat anymore, but I don't hate it either.

537
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Speaker 1: Kudos do you? Man?

538
00:22:55,760 --> 00:22:58,560
Speaker 2: I was actually I was actually broke them back then.

539
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Speaker 2: I really I was digging through my night span for

540
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Speaker 2: one dollar bills for all.

541
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Speaker 1: Right, here we go, I'm gonna try the I'll try

542
00:23:10,400 --> 00:23:15,640
Speaker 1: it too, Okay, what do you think I'll go down

543
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Speaker 1: with the sogne alight, it's good. I want to try

544
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Speaker 1: it with the chicken mix. The naked chicken is is

545
00:23:25,240 --> 00:23:30,000
Speaker 1: much better, much better, And I really like it with

546
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Speaker 1: the chicken.

547
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Speaker 2: And sometimes with lamb or beef you could like substitute

548
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Speaker 2: put other stuff in it.

549
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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a great dish. It's a great dish, and

550
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Speaker 1: I love it with the balsamic chicken. I would not

551
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Speaker 1: recommend for any listeners to eat it the way Brandon

552
00:23:49,480 --> 00:23:52,280
Speaker 1: was eating it when he was broke. The plain chicken

553
00:23:52,280 --> 00:23:56,920
Speaker 1: in the balsamic vinegar is not what I would recommend them.

554
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Speaker 1: Taste wise.

555
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Speaker 2: Well, I love about Indian food is it's it's one

556
00:24:00,240 --> 00:24:03,159
Speaker 2: of the cuisines that's just as healthy as it is flavor.

557
00:24:03,160 --> 00:24:08,680
Speaker 2: Folder's so much flavor, and there's seeing this and it's

558
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Speaker 2: very good for you.

559
00:24:10,240 --> 00:24:14,159
Speaker 1: Now a lot of the listeners don't know, but I

560
00:24:14,160 --> 00:24:16,320
Speaker 1: did get non bread, and I do feel like if

561
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Speaker 1: you had non bread with this, it would be so

562
00:24:18,240 --> 00:24:19,639
Speaker 1: much better. Yeah, it is.

563
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Speaker 2: I would on like they're kind of made for each other,

564
00:24:24,760 --> 00:24:27,119
Speaker 2: you know, because you can eat it like a taco.

565
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Speaker 2: You could dip it. There's so many varieties of how to.

566
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Speaker 1: Eat the Should I try the cheese just just to take.

567
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Speaker 2: One throe it is to but it is good. Here

568
00:24:35,080 --> 00:24:35,400
Speaker 2: we go.

569
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Speaker 1: Wait, is that the cheese or the chicken? No, that's

570
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Speaker 1: the cheese.

571
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Speaker 2: Squear one is the cheese.

572
00:24:42,280 --> 00:24:46,640
Speaker 1: Oh it's good. It's really good.

573
00:24:47,119 --> 00:24:47,679
Speaker 2: Yeah.

574
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Speaker 1: I don't know why I was like expecting. First of all,

575
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Speaker 1: I don't know if this is like tofu texture. You

576
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Speaker 1: don't think so I kind of was, but it kind

577
00:24:54,600 --> 00:24:57,080
Speaker 1: of reminds me of like mozzarella cheese texture, you know,

578
00:24:57,119 --> 00:24:59,280
Speaker 1: like when you buy the mozzarella cheese sticks.

579
00:25:00,160 --> 00:25:01,960
Speaker 2: You're right, I see that as well.

580
00:25:02,960 --> 00:25:07,560
Speaker 1: So that's just great dish, hm, a great dish, acquired

581
00:25:07,600 --> 00:25:09,400
Speaker 1: taste dish for all listeners.

582
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Speaker 2: It's good for you, and let me tell you, it's

583
00:25:10,800 --> 00:25:12,080
Speaker 2: good for your digestion. It's good.

584
00:25:12,119 --> 00:25:14,399
Speaker 1: That's what I was going to say. Yeah, if you

585
00:25:14,520 --> 00:25:16,440
Speaker 1: haven't any type of issue like this, I'm pretty sure

586
00:25:16,440 --> 00:25:17,880
Speaker 1: you're fine, O tap.

587
00:25:17,920 --> 00:25:20,120
Speaker 2: It looks like this going in smooth stale.

588
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Speaker 1: So you're doing these videos, can you tell me, like,

589
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Speaker 1: what was the check that monetized? What was your first

590
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Speaker 1: monetization check?

591
00:25:29,440 --> 00:25:32,679
Speaker 2: So the first check was several months of build up

592
00:25:32,760 --> 00:25:34,560
Speaker 2: of me like I was earning money, but I wasn't.

593
00:25:34,600 --> 00:25:36,720
Speaker 2: I couldn't find it for some reason. I took me

594
00:25:36,760 --> 00:25:39,080
Speaker 2: three months to get my first check. So that first

595
00:25:39,160 --> 00:25:42,359
Speaker 2: check was I want to say it was close to

596
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Speaker 2: two thousand dollars. But this was over like several.

597
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Speaker 1: Months of doing and this is a couple of years

598
00:25:47,040 --> 00:25:48,440
Speaker 1: into your platform or this.

599
00:25:48,440 --> 00:25:50,320
Speaker 2: Was around two thousand and eight, two thousand and nine,

600
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Speaker 2: somewhere around there. And so the first thing I did

601
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Speaker 2: was I bought plane tickets and I just flew to

602
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Speaker 2: places and I would find and get this. It was

603
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Speaker 2: I'm lucky, I'm still alive. I would stay at fans houses.

604
00:26:02,720 --> 00:26:04,520
Speaker 2: I didn't have a lot of fans back then, but

605
00:26:04,560 --> 00:26:06,600
Speaker 2: there were some people that you know, that watched me,

606
00:26:06,640 --> 00:26:08,640
Speaker 2: and I would get in touch with them and they say, hey,

607
00:26:08,640 --> 00:26:11,240
Speaker 2: if you're ever in Chicago, you know, and I'd be like, hey,

608
00:26:11,280 --> 00:26:13,280
Speaker 2: I'm going to Chicago. Can I and that's how I

609
00:26:13,280 --> 00:26:15,360
Speaker 2: would I wouldn't pay for hotels. I would stay at

610
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Speaker 2: strangers houses who knew me from the internet.

611
00:26:18,760 --> 00:26:21,080
Speaker 1: And did you did you become actual friends with them or.

612
00:26:21,160 --> 00:26:23,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, A lot of them I still talk to to

613
00:26:23,119 --> 00:26:27,760
Speaker 2: this day. One of them I met at an airport

614
00:26:28,520 --> 00:26:30,920
Speaker 2: in Illinois and we went on a road trip and

615
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Speaker 2: drove all the way down to I want to say, Kentucky. Yeah,

616
00:26:35,359 --> 00:26:36,360
Speaker 2: we went to Oh.

617
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Speaker 1: My gosh, you're alive. You know what, though, I had

618
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Speaker 1: another guest do that too. They like where their fans were,

619
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Speaker 1: and their fans kind of held them down.

620
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't recommend that. I was very stupid when

621
00:26:49,080 --> 00:26:51,080
Speaker 2: I did that. I did so many stupid things. And

622
00:26:51,240 --> 00:26:53,280
Speaker 2: back then, they didn't have map quests. So we went

623
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Speaker 2: on this road trip. I mean, they didn't have like

624
00:26:55,200 --> 00:26:57,639
Speaker 2: like navigation, you know, not even Garman was really a

625
00:26:57,680 --> 00:26:59,560
Speaker 2: thing back then. So we would have to call this

626
00:26:59,600 --> 00:27:01,359
Speaker 2: hot line and it would you would just tell them

627
00:27:01,359 --> 00:27:03,680
Speaker 2: where you were, and it was automated and it would

628
00:27:03,720 --> 00:27:06,639
Speaker 2: just say, like press one when you get to this intersection.

629
00:27:06,800 --> 00:27:09,920
Speaker 2: So you'd be driving okay one boop okay. In three miles,

630
00:27:10,000 --> 00:27:11,840
Speaker 2: your turn right. And that's how we had to do

631
00:27:11,960 --> 00:27:14,360
Speaker 2: our shit back then, and then while you were waiting

632
00:27:14,440 --> 00:27:17,120
Speaker 2: you had to listen to ads play, so you were

633
00:27:17,119 --> 00:27:19,120
Speaker 2: just like listening to an ad and then oh, one,

634
00:27:19,160 --> 00:27:21,639
Speaker 2: we're here at the thing, and so yeah, that was

635
00:27:21,680 --> 00:27:24,879
Speaker 2: that was not fun. But yeah, all right, I that

636
00:27:24,960 --> 00:27:26,520
Speaker 2: was my first check, my first check. I just I

637
00:27:26,760 --> 00:27:28,800
Speaker 2: blew it all on travel.

638
00:27:28,480 --> 00:27:30,280
Speaker 1: And then how long did it take for your next

639
00:27:30,359 --> 00:27:30,880
Speaker 1: check to come?

640
00:27:33,040 --> 00:27:35,800
Speaker 2: It was so I think it was a few months

641
00:27:35,800 --> 00:27:37,600
Speaker 2: after that because I wouldn't pay you unless it was

642
00:27:37,680 --> 00:27:39,400
Speaker 2: over a certain amount. When was it was like five

643
00:27:39,480 --> 00:27:42,000
Speaker 2: hundred dollars, No, one hundred dollars.

644
00:27:42,000 --> 00:27:42,640
Speaker 1: Oh wow.

645
00:27:43,400 --> 00:27:46,399
Speaker 2: So I didn't get paid until it was like months.

646
00:27:46,400 --> 00:27:47,679
Speaker 2: That was in the winter time, and I was going

647
00:27:47,720 --> 00:27:51,000
Speaker 2: on all those flights, so like summer rolls around and

648
00:27:51,040 --> 00:27:52,679
Speaker 2: like finally my next check comes in, it's like one

649
00:27:52,720 --> 00:27:55,080
Speaker 2: hundred and ten dollars, and so that was that was

650
00:27:55,119 --> 00:27:57,639
Speaker 2: not fun. But so it didn't it didn't feel like

651
00:27:57,640 --> 00:27:59,280
Speaker 2: I was even though I was an official partner at

652
00:27:59,320 --> 00:28:01,760
Speaker 2: the time, I didn't feel like that. It felt like, oh,

653
00:28:01,800 --> 00:28:04,560
Speaker 2: I'm getting these little thank yous every few times a

654
00:28:04,640 --> 00:28:07,679
Speaker 2: year that are just like that. But it wasn't. It

655
00:28:07,720 --> 00:28:10,600
Speaker 2: wasn't until probably twenty fifteen that I was actually making

656
00:28:10,600 --> 00:28:11,440
Speaker 2: money on YouTube.

657
00:28:11,440 --> 00:28:13,600
Speaker 1: And then what was that check? If you don't, mommy.

658
00:28:13,400 --> 00:28:18,000
Speaker 2: Asked, I honestly don't remember, but I do remember. I

659
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Speaker 2: quit my job when I was making enough per month.

660
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Speaker 2: I was like topping the job.

661
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Speaker 1: Oh, you were making it more than your actual day job. Yeah,

662
00:28:26,160 --> 00:28:28,879
Speaker 1: that's smart. Okay. You didn't think like compounding. You were like,

663
00:28:28,960 --> 00:28:29,680
Speaker 1: I'm out of here.

664
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Speaker 2: Yeah. And then I started an LLC, which I put

665
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Speaker 2: all my money into, and I kept my salary to

666
00:28:34,800 --> 00:28:37,200
Speaker 2: this day, my salary, my personal salary is the same

667
00:28:37,240 --> 00:28:39,440
Speaker 2: as when I worked at the law firm, just to

668
00:28:39,440 --> 00:28:40,200
Speaker 2: like keep it cat.

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Speaker 1: Oh, so you you. I love this and I want

670
00:28:43,840 --> 00:28:45,680
Speaker 1: everyone to listen to this because a lot of people

671
00:28:45,680 --> 00:28:47,800
Speaker 1: don't know to do this. But he created an LLC,

672
00:28:48,360 --> 00:28:50,440
Speaker 1: And then did you put yourself on like a payroll,

673
00:28:50,480 --> 00:28:53,120
Speaker 1: like an ADP payroll. I do that. I personally do

674
00:28:53,200 --> 00:28:55,000
Speaker 1: that a lot of people. I tell people to do

675
00:28:55,000 --> 00:28:57,680
Speaker 1: that all the time. Oh yes, And I keep my

676
00:28:57,760 --> 00:29:01,440
Speaker 1: salary still the same and very low. I literally only

677
00:29:01,480 --> 00:29:04,080
Speaker 1: pay myself like sixty K a year on my salary,

678
00:29:04,320 --> 00:29:06,240
Speaker 1: and I do an escorp. I don't do LLC.

679
00:29:06,560 --> 00:29:06,880
Speaker 2: Oh.

680
00:29:06,920 --> 00:29:10,000
Speaker 1: I love escorps. I'm a super fan freak of an escorp.

681
00:29:10,240 --> 00:29:12,120
Speaker 2: It sounds more elite an escort.

682
00:29:12,320 --> 00:29:14,640
Speaker 1: Well, it's the way when you do your tax at

683
00:29:14,680 --> 00:29:17,160
Speaker 1: the end of the year, it breaks down a lot better.

684
00:29:17,280 --> 00:29:20,320
Speaker 1: You end up saving more money with the escort because

685
00:29:20,320 --> 00:29:22,560
Speaker 1: you do a draw. You do a draw, so it'll

686
00:29:22,600 --> 00:29:25,280
Speaker 1: be your salary plus your profit and then you pay

687
00:29:25,320 --> 00:29:27,880
Speaker 1: the taxes. I love it. That's how I do it.

688
00:29:27,960 --> 00:29:29,920
Speaker 1: I start, I always start as a C corp, but

689
00:29:30,040 --> 00:29:31,840
Speaker 1: usually I end up as an escorp in the end.

690
00:29:32,280 --> 00:29:35,000
Speaker 1: Most accountants will push you towards it, and my biggest

691
00:29:35,000 --> 00:29:37,520
Speaker 1: regret was not turning into an escorps sooner. So now

692
00:29:37,560 --> 00:29:40,000
Speaker 1: I just up front, I'm like corp escort es corp.

693
00:29:41,040 --> 00:29:42,960
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, so you should talk to your account about it,

694
00:29:42,960 --> 00:29:47,480
Speaker 1: by the way, it yeah yeah, yeah, I'm all. When

695
00:29:47,520 --> 00:29:51,000
Speaker 1: I have consultations with my accountant, it's very thorough. I

696
00:29:51,040 --> 00:29:53,520
Speaker 1: ask a lot of questions because when I was twenty one,

697
00:29:53,560 --> 00:29:56,480
Speaker 1: I got like leans on my stuff from my first business,

698
00:29:56,560 --> 00:29:58,880
Speaker 1: and then I learned that the state of California is

699
00:29:58,920 --> 00:30:00,520
Speaker 1: a lot meaner than irs.

700
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Speaker 2: Oh damn.

701
00:30:01,840 --> 00:30:02,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, Well they don't play.

702
00:30:03,640 --> 00:30:06,560
Speaker 2: I'm I mean, I just tell my I tell my

703
00:30:06,600 --> 00:30:08,360
Speaker 2: accountant just figure it out for me.

704
00:30:08,920 --> 00:30:13,280
Speaker 1: Oh no, I don't. I think I used to do that,

705
00:30:13,400 --> 00:30:17,160
Speaker 1: and then when I got in trouble, I said, no,

706
00:30:17,320 --> 00:30:20,360
Speaker 1: explain everything, and and now I do my own p

707
00:30:20,480 --> 00:30:23,040
Speaker 1: and ls, like I manage everything. Well, now I'm not

708
00:30:23,040 --> 00:30:25,200
Speaker 1: gonna lie. A new hack I do is I get

709
00:30:25,360 --> 00:30:28,640
Speaker 1: the AMX credit card. AMEX has a good credit card,

710
00:30:28,920 --> 00:30:32,680
Speaker 1: but most credit cards they break down your financial statements

711
00:30:32,680 --> 00:30:35,360
Speaker 1: like into like transportation or whatever at the end of

712
00:30:35,400 --> 00:30:37,480
Speaker 1: the year, and you could turn that whole file over

713
00:30:37,520 --> 00:30:40,280
Speaker 1: to your account and save a ton of money. Oh yeah,

714
00:30:40,320 --> 00:30:42,000
Speaker 1: So I put everything on the AMEX and then it

715
00:30:42,000 --> 00:30:43,120
Speaker 1: breaks it down at the end of the year. I

716
00:30:43,160 --> 00:30:44,520
Speaker 1: take the whole file give it to the account.

717
00:30:44,760 --> 00:30:47,240
Speaker 2: This year, we just started doing AMX for oh for

718
00:30:47,320 --> 00:30:49,320
Speaker 2: different reasons. I was using another card and that was

719
00:30:49,880 --> 00:30:53,560
Speaker 2: it was what we shoot looks so fraudulent on our record,

720
00:30:54,200 --> 00:30:56,120
Speaker 2: like the way like you know, you buy like five

721
00:30:56,200 --> 00:30:58,320
Speaker 2: hundred dollars of fake blood or whatever and then like

722
00:30:58,400 --> 00:31:01,160
Speaker 2: venmo fifty people for what I It's just on record,

723
00:31:01,200 --> 00:31:04,080
Speaker 2: it's like, what the hell were you doing? But no,

724
00:31:04,200 --> 00:31:06,000
Speaker 2: AMEX has been a life saver, and they did not

725
00:31:06,040 --> 00:31:07,840
Speaker 2: pay for this interview. As far as I know, they don't.

726
00:31:07,840 --> 00:31:10,040
Speaker 1: They don't, They actually don't know. I wish I had

727
00:31:10,120 --> 00:31:15,360
Speaker 1: some AMX sponsors. Hello, shout us out right. So then

728
00:31:15,440 --> 00:31:18,800
Speaker 1: so now, so at this point, you're now fully supporting yourself.

729
00:31:18,880 --> 00:31:21,400
Speaker 1: I want to backcheck to something you said earlier. Yes,

730
00:31:21,640 --> 00:31:24,680
Speaker 1: when it came to doing your editing, because I know

731
00:31:24,760 --> 00:31:27,200
Speaker 1: there's certain I try to learn a little bit about

732
00:31:27,240 --> 00:31:30,840
Speaker 1: every part of my company, especially because when I'm hiring

733
00:31:30,880 --> 00:31:34,200
Speaker 1: for that department, I hate to assume that job's really easy.

734
00:31:34,560 --> 00:31:37,120
Speaker 1: They don't know what they talk about. They try to overcharge.

735
00:31:37,200 --> 00:31:39,440
Speaker 1: I think it's so important to like know enough about

736
00:31:39,480 --> 00:31:43,160
Speaker 1: a role to respect everyone's position, really thoroughly respect their

737
00:31:43,200 --> 00:31:47,360
Speaker 1: position in the company. And so, but editing is one

738
00:31:47,400 --> 00:31:50,240
Speaker 1: of those things where I'm like, I don't want to

739
00:31:50,240 --> 00:31:53,440
Speaker 1: add another thing to my thing. But for you, was

740
00:31:53,640 --> 00:31:56,160
Speaker 1: editing something that was like a pain area and you

741
00:31:56,160 --> 00:31:57,760
Speaker 1: were just like I'm gonna do it or was it

742
00:31:57,840 --> 00:32:00,680
Speaker 1: something you were always passionate about.

743
00:32:00,400 --> 00:32:02,200
Speaker 2: At a glance, if I were to line up all

744
00:32:02,240 --> 00:32:05,240
Speaker 2: the job the main like divisions of what it takes

745
00:32:05,240 --> 00:32:07,560
Speaker 2: to pull off a production, editing certainly seems like the

746
00:32:07,560 --> 00:32:08,960
Speaker 2: most daunting. It seems like the one you need the

747
00:32:09,000 --> 00:32:11,280
Speaker 2: most training for. It seems like something you to figure

748
00:32:11,320 --> 00:32:13,800
Speaker 2: out what software and then foot you're working with all

749
00:32:13,960 --> 00:32:18,600
Speaker 2: virtually all the other departments. I learned editing first before

750
00:32:18,640 --> 00:32:21,000
Speaker 2: I learned anything else, and I even then I knew

751
00:32:21,000 --> 00:32:24,120
Speaker 2: that if I can learn editing, all everything else is easy.

752
00:32:24,240 --> 00:32:25,880
Speaker 2: You know, everything else is. I can learn how to

753
00:32:25,920 --> 00:32:27,800
Speaker 2: do makeup, I can learn to act, I can learn

754
00:32:27,840 --> 00:32:29,400
Speaker 2: to write, I can learn to and a lot of

755
00:32:29,440 --> 00:32:32,560
Speaker 2: those things I already liked doing, especially because I was gay.

756
00:32:32,680 --> 00:32:35,520
Speaker 2: I loved makeup and costumes and wigs and acting and

757
00:32:35,560 --> 00:32:39,040
Speaker 2: being loud and being a kooky guy, and so that

758
00:32:39,160 --> 00:32:40,440
Speaker 2: was all something I love to do. And when I

759
00:32:40,480 --> 00:32:43,160
Speaker 2: realized how easy editing is, because it really is a

760
00:32:43,200 --> 00:32:45,880
Speaker 2: lot easier in my opinion than it looks. I learned

761
00:32:45,880 --> 00:32:47,920
Speaker 2: on iMovie in two thousand.

762
00:32:48,040 --> 00:32:50,400
Speaker 1: I remember iMovie, Yeah, okay.

763
00:32:50,360 --> 00:32:54,560
Speaker 2: And I learned on iMovie and get this to this day,

764
00:32:54,600 --> 00:32:57,120
Speaker 2: I still use eyemovie if it's on a special effects shot,

765
00:32:57,320 --> 00:33:01,080
Speaker 2: it's done an iMovie. Wow. And it's advanced a lot

766
00:33:01,120 --> 00:33:03,000
Speaker 2: over the years, but not much. I mean, the interface

767
00:33:03,080 --> 00:33:04,000
Speaker 2: is still pretty simple.

768
00:33:04,520 --> 00:33:06,200
Speaker 1: Do you ever edit on your phone or you just

769
00:33:06,360 --> 00:33:07,240
Speaker 1: edit on your laptop?

770
00:33:07,520 --> 00:33:09,360
Speaker 2: If it's like a social post, like a TikTok, I'll

771
00:33:09,440 --> 00:33:11,840
Speaker 2: edit on my phone. But I like to edit on

772
00:33:11,880 --> 00:33:14,480
Speaker 2: the computer. There's just something nice about sitting down and

773
00:33:14,600 --> 00:33:17,600
Speaker 2: spending time with an edit comfortably, with a coffee at

774
00:33:17,640 --> 00:33:22,200
Speaker 2: your side, a joint in the other hand. And but

775
00:33:22,920 --> 00:33:26,120
Speaker 2: I I personally love editing. You know, you see people

776
00:33:26,120 --> 00:33:28,000
Speaker 2: playing video games and they get glued to their couch

777
00:33:28,000 --> 00:33:31,040
Speaker 2: for hours. Whatever's flaring in their brain at that time.

778
00:33:31,040 --> 00:33:32,640
Speaker 2: That's that's going off in my head. When I edit,

779
00:33:32,680 --> 00:33:35,880
Speaker 2: it's at that same addiction of like, you know, you're

780
00:33:36,200 --> 00:33:38,080
Speaker 2: because a video game, you're building, you're building, and then

781
00:33:38,080 --> 00:33:39,560
Speaker 2: you have a save point and then you get up

782
00:33:39,600 --> 00:33:41,000
Speaker 2: and go get lunch. It's like editing. You have a

783
00:33:41,000 --> 00:33:42,440
Speaker 2: say okay, I got all this done. Okay, this is

784
00:33:42,440 --> 00:33:45,120
Speaker 2: a good break point, but you go. It feels like

785
00:33:45,160 --> 00:33:48,000
Speaker 2: I'm having fun when it's something that I would have otherwise.

786
00:33:48,400 --> 00:33:51,800
Speaker 2: You know, paid someone to do editing is something I

787
00:33:51,800 --> 00:33:54,239
Speaker 2: really like because you're you're having the final say at

788
00:33:54,280 --> 00:33:57,160
Speaker 2: the comedic timing of which take you get to use

789
00:33:57,280 --> 00:33:59,560
Speaker 2: all that are Those are fun choices for me to make.

790
00:33:59,800 --> 00:34:02,600
Speaker 1: No, do you consider yourself. I know when I introduced

791
00:34:02,600 --> 00:34:09,239
Speaker 1: you as said comedian, writer, act or all all these writer, actor, comedian,

792
00:34:10,480 --> 00:34:12,880
Speaker 1: But the one thing I didn't say was entrepreneur. But

793
00:34:13,600 --> 00:34:15,360
Speaker 1: do you consider yourself an entrepreneur?

794
00:34:16,880 --> 00:34:21,080
Speaker 2: I do. When I think of entrepreneur, I think as

795
00:34:21,080 --> 00:34:23,359
Speaker 2: something more of like selling a physical product or someone

796
00:34:23,400 --> 00:34:27,239
Speaker 2: who like creates some but anyone who has very few,

797
00:34:27,360 --> 00:34:29,640
Speaker 2: if any people to thank, you know, for all of

798
00:34:29,640 --> 00:34:31,880
Speaker 2: the found you know, fundamental. I mean, we all have

799
00:34:31,920 --> 00:34:35,240
Speaker 2: people to think, but ultimately, like you've built your business.

800
00:34:35,239 --> 00:34:38,520
Speaker 2: I've built my business. People who who where the business

801
00:34:38,520 --> 00:34:41,160
Speaker 2: they spent years building. I had some music entrepreneur or

802
00:34:41,160 --> 00:34:43,920
Speaker 2: someone who you know, got to create something that, you know,

803
00:34:44,040 --> 00:34:48,000
Speaker 2: especially if pays the bills. That's the American dream. And

804
00:34:48,040 --> 00:34:51,520
Speaker 2: so I I never say the word entrepreneur. If anything,

805
00:34:51,520 --> 00:34:54,960
Speaker 2: I'll say comedian. Okay, because if everything else fails, if

806
00:34:55,040 --> 00:34:58,200
Speaker 2: every if the world goes to shit and you know whatever,

807
00:34:58,280 --> 00:34:59,719
Speaker 2: I like to think that at least I'll still have

808
00:34:59,760 --> 00:35:02,319
Speaker 2: my of humor and at least I'm still So I

809
00:35:02,320 --> 00:35:04,279
Speaker 2: don't know, and kind of the ability to be a

810
00:35:04,320 --> 00:35:06,719
Speaker 2: comedian kind of funnels into everything else I do, into

811
00:35:06,719 --> 00:35:09,600
Speaker 2: the editing, into the social media.

812
00:35:09,080 --> 00:35:11,839
Speaker 1: And you also do tours, yes, and to that too.

813
00:35:11,880 --> 00:35:14,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, so I do live as characters. I go around

814
00:35:14,200 --> 00:35:16,440
Speaker 2: the country and I perform at different I do like

815
00:35:16,480 --> 00:35:19,160
Speaker 2: an hour long like seminar as like a character to

816
00:35:19,200 --> 00:35:22,279
Speaker 2: my audience, and it's very interactive and I get to

817
00:35:22,360 --> 00:35:23,440
Speaker 2: meet my fans up close.

818
00:35:23,480 --> 00:35:27,280
Speaker 1: And then do you actually set up your whole tour

819
00:35:27,600 --> 00:35:29,360
Speaker 1: or do you have a team that does it for me?

820
00:35:29,400 --> 00:35:33,239
Speaker 2: I have a team. Yeah, I'm with Levity Talent and

821
00:35:33,280 --> 00:35:38,640
Speaker 2: they are titans in the comedy scene. They they've been

822
00:35:39,440 --> 00:35:43,879
Speaker 2: angels to me since two thousand and seventeen sixteen. I've

823
00:35:43,920 --> 00:35:46,399
Speaker 2: been with them for quite a while, so yeah, they

824
00:35:46,520 --> 00:35:48,920
Speaker 2: kind of they'll, you know, help craft the whole thing,

825
00:35:48,960 --> 00:35:50,560
Speaker 2: and they send me out in the road and they

826
00:35:50,600 --> 00:35:51,480
Speaker 2: always take care of me.

827
00:35:51,840 --> 00:35:54,319
Speaker 1: Oh awesome. And then you said that you still live

828
00:35:54,360 --> 00:35:55,360
Speaker 1: on the same salary.

829
00:35:55,840 --> 00:35:56,040
Speaker 2: Yeah.

830
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Speaker 1: Now I'm curious when you say you still live on

831
00:35:59,440 --> 00:36:02,319
Speaker 1: the same soule. Is it because you budget well or

832
00:36:02,440 --> 00:36:04,520
Speaker 1: is it because you offset some of your expenses to

833
00:36:04,560 --> 00:36:05,040
Speaker 1: your business.

834
00:36:05,800 --> 00:36:07,279
Speaker 2: It's a little of both. I mean, so much of

835
00:36:07,320 --> 00:36:09,000
Speaker 2: what I spend, so much of what I spend money

836
00:36:09,040 --> 00:36:11,560
Speaker 2: on is my whole life is my work. I really

837
00:36:11,719 --> 00:36:15,959
Speaker 2: I live very minimally. I don't nothing that I own

838
00:36:16,120 --> 00:36:19,600
Speaker 2: at home is super lavish. I drive like a Honda,

839
00:36:19,640 --> 00:36:23,200
Speaker 2: and I'm not anything I spend money on. Usually it's

840
00:36:23,200 --> 00:36:26,480
Speaker 2: for the videos, and so I don't know, I would

841
00:36:26,480 --> 00:36:29,640
Speaker 2: just rather put my dollars and cents in front of

842
00:36:29,680 --> 00:36:32,880
Speaker 2: the camera rather than you know, having a really nice,

843
00:36:32,920 --> 00:36:35,760
Speaker 2: you know, trailer to be in when I'm not filming,

844
00:36:35,840 --> 00:36:37,759
Speaker 2: or having a really nice house or something.

845
00:36:37,800 --> 00:36:40,480
Speaker 1: But you're living your purpose, So I would feel like

846
00:36:40,719 --> 00:36:43,440
Speaker 1: you in even meeting you and getting to know you,

847
00:36:43,520 --> 00:36:47,480
Speaker 1: and it seems like you're much more into like your purpose,

848
00:36:47,600 --> 00:36:50,600
Speaker 1: your vision what I guess you're painting the world you

849
00:36:50,640 --> 00:36:52,760
Speaker 1: want to see when you're creating, right, you're a creator.

850
00:36:53,040 --> 00:36:57,040
Speaker 2: It's I feel like the world that I create is

851
00:36:57,080 --> 00:36:59,319
Speaker 2: a reflection of the world that I see. A lot

852
00:36:59,360 --> 00:37:03,320
Speaker 2: of the cares and settings are a mirror, a twisted,

853
00:37:03,360 --> 00:37:09,000
Speaker 2: warped like circus mirror version of what was real life.

854
00:37:09,239 --> 00:37:12,440
Speaker 2: And uh, I don't know. I ultimately just want to

855
00:37:12,440 --> 00:37:13,680
Speaker 2: be a place at the end of the day for

856
00:37:13,800 --> 00:37:15,880
Speaker 2: people to come to and kind of get lost in.

857
00:37:16,000 --> 00:37:19,359
Speaker 2: It's for me, I get lost in scripted content quite

858
00:37:19,360 --> 00:37:22,920
Speaker 2: a bit, you know, more than reality I get, you know,

859
00:37:23,440 --> 00:37:25,200
Speaker 2: I love being told a story, So I try to

860
00:37:25,200 --> 00:37:27,120
Speaker 2: be that on YouTube. There aren't a lot of scripted

861
00:37:27,120 --> 00:37:30,759
Speaker 2: things on YouTube these days, and you know, I really

862
00:37:30,800 --> 00:37:33,759
Speaker 2: try and encourage people to do more scripted stuff that

863
00:37:33,760 --> 00:37:37,880
Speaker 2: it's still like a really fun and creative medium of entertainment.

864
00:37:38,040 --> 00:37:40,200
Speaker 1: Do you ever keep up with Country Wayne? Do you

865
00:37:40,239 --> 00:37:41,440
Speaker 1: ever see his stuff? His stuff?

866
00:37:42,040 --> 00:37:47,000
Speaker 2: No, I live under a rock though I rarely scroll.

867
00:37:47,040 --> 00:37:48,319
Speaker 2: But is it? Is it pretty fast?

868
00:37:48,640 --> 00:37:50,759
Speaker 1: I mean it's pretty good. But I will say this,

869
00:37:50,960 --> 00:37:53,279
Speaker 1: like some of the checks that they like people have

870
00:37:53,360 --> 00:37:55,440
Speaker 1: mentioned on the show about like some of the YouTube

871
00:37:55,520 --> 00:37:59,719
Speaker 1: checks that they're getting. I will say that sometimes I

872
00:37:59,719 --> 00:38:02,520
Speaker 1: wonder if YouTube's paying you, say two hundred three hundred

873
00:38:02,560 --> 00:38:05,560
Speaker 1: thousand or whatever. You got to wonder at some point

874
00:38:06,280 --> 00:38:09,200
Speaker 1: what the real value you're at, right, because YouTube's only

875
00:38:09,200 --> 00:38:10,880
Speaker 1: paying you percentage. And I don't know if that's the

876
00:38:10,920 --> 00:38:14,600
Speaker 1: me listening too much jay Z, because right way, if

877
00:38:14,640 --> 00:38:16,719
Speaker 1: YouTube's cutting you at check with two hundred thousand, how

878
00:38:16,800 --> 00:38:18,280
Speaker 1: much is this foot it's really worth?

879
00:38:18,560 --> 00:38:20,799
Speaker 2: Right? Right? And and honestly it's doys worth as much

880
00:38:20,840 --> 00:38:24,520
Speaker 2: as it's watched. Honestly, you know, people, and every year

881
00:38:24,560 --> 00:38:26,520
Speaker 2: it feels like you know you're you're kind of encouraged,

882
00:38:26,560 --> 00:38:28,600
Speaker 2: not just from YouTube but from every platform. You're kind

883
00:38:28,640 --> 00:38:30,840
Speaker 2: of encouraged a new set of guidelines. I mean, before

884
00:38:30,960 --> 00:38:33,560
Speaker 2: they were pushing longer form content, and now it's all

885
00:38:33,560 --> 00:38:37,800
Speaker 2: about how short the content can be. I just firmly

886
00:38:37,840 --> 00:38:39,680
Speaker 2: believe as long as it's good, it'll stand the test

887
00:38:39,719 --> 00:38:42,040
Speaker 2: of time. I've had videos that I made over a

888
00:38:42,080 --> 00:38:45,480
Speaker 2: decade ago that I still think are really good, and

889
00:38:45,640 --> 00:38:47,879
Speaker 2: over time they found the love they deserve. They didn't

890
00:38:47,880 --> 00:38:50,360
Speaker 2: blow up in their time, but over all these years,

891
00:38:50,400 --> 00:38:52,600
Speaker 2: they you know, they found their audience, and I'm so

892
00:38:52,719 --> 00:38:54,399
Speaker 2: glad I took the time to make sure it was good.

893
00:38:54,400 --> 00:38:57,000
Speaker 2: Whether the video is short or long, I'm glad it

894
00:38:57,040 --> 00:39:00,839
Speaker 2: was good. And a lot of people will mold their

895
00:39:00,840 --> 00:39:03,719
Speaker 2: content around what the algorithm wants. Currently. Yeah, and that's

896
00:39:03,719 --> 00:39:05,440
Speaker 2: great for right now. Maybe you'll get a big surge

897
00:39:05,440 --> 00:39:07,239
Speaker 2: in the first week or two, you know, but I

898
00:39:07,280 --> 00:39:10,520
Speaker 2: don't think that, you know, I would rather leave behind

899
00:39:10,560 --> 00:39:13,239
Speaker 2: a legacy of work that I am proud of and

900
00:39:13,239 --> 00:39:17,359
Speaker 2: would want to show people then like really make it

901
00:39:17,440 --> 00:39:22,759
Speaker 2: bend around an algorithm request at that time. Now, is

902
00:39:22,800 --> 00:39:24,560
Speaker 2: that to say that I don't try and make the

903
00:39:24,600 --> 00:39:27,360
Speaker 2: algorithm happy. No, I definitely try and suck it to

904
00:39:27,400 --> 00:39:28,359
Speaker 2: dick as much as I can.

905
00:39:29,480 --> 00:39:33,239
Speaker 1: How are you able to keep up with sorry, how

906
00:39:33,280 --> 00:39:37,440
Speaker 1: are you able to keep up with the algorithm rules?

907
00:39:37,480 --> 00:39:39,319
Speaker 1: Like how do you how do you keep up with

908
00:39:39,440 --> 00:39:41,480
Speaker 1: the like how are you doing that?

909
00:39:41,600 --> 00:39:43,520
Speaker 2: And not suffer burnout all that time? I'm gonna have

910
00:39:43,520 --> 00:39:45,439
Speaker 2: more of this chicken. Yeah.

911
00:39:45,480 --> 00:39:47,640
Speaker 1: I love that you're eating in everything.

912
00:39:47,880 --> 00:39:51,959
Speaker 2: Yeah, Yeah, it's hard. There are weeks where I feel

913
00:39:52,000 --> 00:39:57,400
Speaker 2: burnt out. There are weeks where I'm sad or physically

914
00:39:57,480 --> 00:40:00,239
Speaker 2: tired or you know, and you still have to be

915
00:40:00,239 --> 00:40:02,520
Speaker 2: funny and then you still have to put on the

916
00:40:02,560 --> 00:40:06,120
Speaker 2: costume and still have to especially when you're working with

917
00:40:06,160 --> 00:40:08,040
Speaker 2: so many people, have a lot of actors and crew

918
00:40:08,080 --> 00:40:10,439
Speaker 2: that were you know, if we have a date book,

919
00:40:10,520 --> 00:40:12,239
Speaker 2: I'm not going to push back the date because I

920
00:40:12,480 --> 00:40:13,880
Speaker 2: just was in a bad mood that day, you know.

921
00:40:14,400 --> 00:40:16,960
Speaker 2: So there is a level of like leave your shit

922
00:40:17,000 --> 00:40:21,080
Speaker 2: at the door and just do the job. And it

923
00:40:21,440 --> 00:40:24,360
Speaker 2: can really feel sometimes, especially when it's like a bigger production,

924
00:40:24,840 --> 00:40:26,480
Speaker 2: you know, and it takes weeks to shoot before you

925
00:40:26,520 --> 00:40:29,719
Speaker 2: see any kind of like audience appreciation for it. It

926
00:40:29,719 --> 00:40:32,400
Speaker 2: can just feel like you're just making something that you know,

927
00:40:33,719 --> 00:40:35,400
Speaker 2: and you know, we do get we do get pampered

928
00:40:35,400 --> 00:40:37,960
Speaker 2: with instant gratification. So if I'm working on a production

929
00:40:38,040 --> 00:40:40,200
Speaker 2: more than three weeks, it feels like it's been forever.

930
00:40:40,360 --> 00:40:42,240
Speaker 2: No one's gonna you know, I haven't seen my audience

931
00:40:42,280 --> 00:40:45,640
Speaker 2: hasn't seen me in a year. So it can be

932
00:40:45,719 --> 00:40:49,360
Speaker 2: tough to staying focused and driven to just finish a project,

933
00:40:49,680 --> 00:40:54,319
Speaker 2: get it done, and upload it. Because another thing that's

934
00:40:54,360 --> 00:40:57,040
Speaker 2: kind of demotivating is that there isn't really a celebration

935
00:40:57,200 --> 00:40:59,840
Speaker 2: for anything. When it comes out. People will watch it

936
00:41:00,080 --> 00:41:01,839
Speaker 2: as you know, a surge of comments in the first

937
00:41:01,840 --> 00:41:04,360
Speaker 2: few days, but then immediately it's like, Okay, what's next.

938
00:41:04,880 --> 00:41:07,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, And that can be yea yeah.

939
00:41:07,840 --> 00:41:09,880
Speaker 2: Especially as an artist. If you're a vlog or whatever,

940
00:41:09,880 --> 00:41:12,200
Speaker 2: you're just filming your life. But even that takes editing,

941
00:41:12,440 --> 00:41:14,200
Speaker 2: that takes work. You pour your heart and soul into

942
00:41:14,280 --> 00:41:17,960
Speaker 2: a video and then people just watch it, digested, shit

943
00:41:18,040 --> 00:41:20,400
Speaker 2: it out and want the next thing. Yeah, that's demotivating

944
00:41:20,400 --> 00:41:22,560
Speaker 2: for an artist because it's like, when you're getting excited

945
00:41:22,600 --> 00:41:25,000
Speaker 2: for the next idea you're part of, you starts to

946
00:41:25,000 --> 00:41:27,600
Speaker 2: think about after it's released and how short lived that

947
00:41:27,760 --> 00:41:30,800
Speaker 2: victory will feel. It's not like a live performance e

948
00:41:30,840 --> 00:41:33,360
Speaker 2: there where you hear the laughter. You know, there's no

949
00:41:33,920 --> 00:41:37,160
Speaker 2: sense of did they like it? The comments say sick, lol, cool,

950
00:41:37,239 --> 00:41:40,840
Speaker 2: but it's like did they enjoy it. I'll watch the

951
00:41:40,880 --> 00:41:43,520
Speaker 2: reaction videos, so people will do reaction videos and I'll

952
00:41:43,520 --> 00:41:45,080
Speaker 2: watch those and you can see where they laugh and

953
00:41:45,120 --> 00:41:47,440
Speaker 2: it's like having a focus group and you could see

954
00:41:47,440 --> 00:41:49,359
Speaker 2: which parts maybe they were bored, which parts they were

955
00:41:49,400 --> 00:41:51,239
Speaker 2: interested in. So that helps a lot.

956
00:41:52,040 --> 00:41:55,000
Speaker 1: Now, when you're doing all these productions, do you do

957
00:41:55,040 --> 00:41:57,239
Speaker 1: you see yourself long term wise? Like going on a

958
00:41:57,280 --> 00:42:00,160
Speaker 1: major network. You know, you have to feel like you're

959
00:41:59,840 --> 00:42:02,560
Speaker 1: you're almost training for the Olympics at this point. You know,

960
00:42:02,600 --> 00:42:04,560
Speaker 1: by the time you get to a major network, you're

961
00:42:04,600 --> 00:42:07,399
Speaker 1: going to be like this, four episodes in the can

962
00:42:07,440 --> 00:42:09,400
Speaker 1: in a month. You know, it's like working for p Diddy,

963
00:42:09,520 --> 00:42:11,319
Speaker 1: but you're you know when you're when you're doing what

964
00:42:11,360 --> 00:42:11,799
Speaker 1: you're doing.

965
00:42:11,960 --> 00:42:14,440
Speaker 2: The dream really is Netflix or any kind of or

966
00:42:14,480 --> 00:42:18,839
Speaker 2: a twenty four have some kind of a platform that's

967
00:42:18,880 --> 00:42:22,319
Speaker 2: known for letting creators be creators. I would love that,

968
00:42:22,360 --> 00:42:25,160
Speaker 2: But in my experience, a lot of networks love getting

969
00:42:25,200 --> 00:42:27,279
Speaker 2: their hands in there, and they're usually people that are

970
00:42:27,680 --> 00:42:31,279
Speaker 2: several decades older, have zero life, you know, there's no

971
00:42:31,320 --> 00:42:34,120
Speaker 2: overlap in experience with and so you know, I did

972
00:42:34,120 --> 00:42:36,600
Speaker 2: a show called Magic fun House, and that was a

973
00:42:36,600 --> 00:42:41,280
Speaker 2: goddamn nightmare, but it was I it was my first show,

974
00:42:41,360 --> 00:42:43,840
Speaker 2: like actual show. You know. It's the only thing that

975
00:42:44,200 --> 00:42:47,600
Speaker 2: Hollywood really recognizes like a legit production that I've done

976
00:42:47,640 --> 00:42:50,080
Speaker 2: because it was done by super DeLux, which is ran

977
00:42:50,160 --> 00:42:52,560
Speaker 2: by the guy that ran a division of CBS. It's

978
00:42:52,680 --> 00:42:55,160
Speaker 2: had TV blood in it. They gave me money for

979
00:42:55,280 --> 00:42:58,319
Speaker 2: us for two seasons of a show, and it is

980
00:42:58,360 --> 00:43:00,480
Speaker 2: on record the most watched show on the network before

981
00:43:00,520 --> 00:43:04,799
Speaker 2: the network went under. But oh, it was nothing but pushback.

982
00:43:04,880 --> 00:43:07,200
Speaker 2: It was nothing but just I would come up with

983
00:43:07,200 --> 00:43:09,000
Speaker 2: a script, or I would come up with a concept

984
00:43:09,040 --> 00:43:11,719
Speaker 2: for every episode. They would approve these concepts, and then

985
00:43:11,719 --> 00:43:15,719
Speaker 2: I would spend weeks writing these episodes out, and then

986
00:43:15,840 --> 00:43:18,200
Speaker 2: they would look at them and go, we can't afford this,

987
00:43:18,239 --> 00:43:20,520
Speaker 2: we can't afford this, we can't afford this, And so

988
00:43:20,560 --> 00:43:22,960
Speaker 2: then I'm having And they would expect these cuts made

989
00:43:23,000 --> 00:43:26,799
Speaker 2: to the script in like a small fraction of the time,

990
00:43:26,840 --> 00:43:30,400
Speaker 2: cuts that wouldn't require you to fundamentally change the story

991
00:43:31,320 --> 00:43:33,480
Speaker 2: and we only have weeks away. You're only allowed to

992
00:43:33,520 --> 00:43:35,480
Speaker 2: have this many actors per episode, You're only allowed to

993
00:43:35,520 --> 00:43:38,160
Speaker 2: have this many locations per episode. So now everything I

994
00:43:38,239 --> 00:43:40,759
Speaker 2: make is kind of a little bit to spite them,

995
00:43:40,800 --> 00:43:43,520
Speaker 2: because I love making stuff that has a myriad. Every

996
00:43:43,600 --> 00:43:45,440
Speaker 2: new location I have a scene take place in is

997
00:43:45,480 --> 00:43:47,440
Speaker 2: a middle finger to them, being like, oh, here's a

998
00:43:47,480 --> 00:43:50,400
Speaker 2: new if I want time. Wrote a scene in a bedroom,

999
00:43:51,000 --> 00:43:53,160
Speaker 2: and they did. They wanted me to cut it because

1000
00:43:53,200 --> 00:43:55,560
Speaker 2: they would have to build the set to the bedroom.

1001
00:43:55,880 --> 00:43:58,520
Speaker 2: I'm like, just go to someone's apart to find it. Nope,

1002
00:43:58,640 --> 00:44:00,400
Speaker 2: because this show had to be done by the books,

1003
00:44:00,440 --> 00:44:01,759
Speaker 2: like it has to be done in studio. That's a

1004
00:44:01,800 --> 00:44:03,600
Speaker 2: company move. We can't bring our we can't bring our

1005
00:44:03,640 --> 00:44:05,840
Speaker 2: craft food services, we can't bring our set, medic to

1006
00:44:05,880 --> 00:44:07,600
Speaker 2: this apartment. Like don't. I'm not. I don't want them

1007
00:44:07,600 --> 00:44:09,320
Speaker 2: to know, but what we have to so we're just

1008
00:44:09,360 --> 00:44:12,560
Speaker 2: gonna keep So they had to build, They've built.

1009
00:44:12,520 --> 00:44:15,280
Speaker 1: So I have to experience that. Would you I would?

1010
00:44:15,280 --> 00:44:17,439
Speaker 1: I would assume you like your freedom more.

1011
00:44:18,200 --> 00:44:20,399
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, and and and I've heard the same thing

1012
00:44:20,440 --> 00:44:22,759
Speaker 2: from from other people who have kind of merged with

1013
00:44:22,800 --> 00:44:24,799
Speaker 2: a big network and has to you know, have to

1014
00:44:24,840 --> 00:44:28,680
Speaker 2: produce under a bunch of you know, old rich white men.

1015
00:44:28,960 --> 00:44:31,799
Speaker 2: You know that that I think they know better for

1016
00:44:31,920 --> 00:44:35,239
Speaker 2: your art than you do. Is a nightmare because what

1017
00:44:35,560 --> 00:44:37,839
Speaker 2: a lot of times they'll let you get creative enough,

1018
00:44:37,880 --> 00:44:40,720
Speaker 2: and then when they start seeing it materialize and realize

1019
00:44:40,719 --> 00:44:43,440
Speaker 2: how much it's gonna cost, that's when they start getting

1020
00:44:43,480 --> 00:44:45,200
Speaker 2: That's when they start getting creative.

1021
00:45:00,360 --> 00:45:02,120
Speaker 5: You know what I mean, Like, wait a minute, wait

1022
00:45:02,680 --> 00:45:02,959
Speaker 5: the way.

1023
00:45:05,120 --> 00:45:08,600
Speaker 2: And those people, like a good executive really stays out

1024
00:45:08,640 --> 00:45:11,359
Speaker 2: of the If y'all can agree on a number, that's great,

1025
00:45:11,400 --> 00:45:13,319
Speaker 2: but you know that the number kept changing and during

1026
00:45:13,360 --> 00:45:15,320
Speaker 2: production and all of a sudden we couldn't afford things.

1027
00:45:15,480 --> 00:45:17,480
Speaker 2: I showed up to set one day and there's all

1028
00:45:17,520 --> 00:45:19,440
Speaker 2: these other actors getting in hair and makeup, and I said,

1029
00:45:19,440 --> 00:45:21,279
Speaker 2: who are these people? And they're like, oh, these we

1030
00:45:21,400 --> 00:45:23,040
Speaker 2: We actually found some extra room in the budget, so

1031
00:45:23,040 --> 00:45:24,560
Speaker 2: we got you some extras for the scene. I said,

1032
00:45:24,560 --> 00:45:27,080
Speaker 2: this scene doesn't require extras. We had to send them all.

1033
00:45:26,920 --> 00:45:29,240
Speaker 1: Home because it was and they had already paid.

1034
00:45:29,040 --> 00:45:31,160
Speaker 2: For it, already paid for it. The money was just

1035
00:45:31,160 --> 00:45:34,520
Speaker 2: going out of everyone's asshole on that project. So and

1036
00:45:34,520 --> 00:45:36,800
Speaker 2: and uh, it was just nothing but tension between me

1037
00:45:36,840 --> 00:45:39,200
Speaker 2: and the execs on that show. And in season two

1038
00:45:39,280 --> 00:45:41,960
Speaker 2: I made the whole story about like evil executives, and

1039
00:45:42,000 --> 00:45:44,560
Speaker 2: anytime there's an executive in my videos are usually pretty

1040
00:45:44,560 --> 00:45:47,920
Speaker 2: imposing and evil. And it definitely is sort of my

1041
00:45:48,000 --> 00:45:50,160
Speaker 2: own reminder of like, remember this is the experience you

1042
00:45:50,200 --> 00:45:52,880
Speaker 2: had with them, But I don't know that was the

1043
00:45:52,960 --> 00:45:57,439
Speaker 2: very isolated, uh, you know experience. Ever since then, I've

1044
00:45:57,440 --> 00:46:01,080
Speaker 2: had nothing but amazing experiences with larger production. I'm kind

1045
00:46:01,080 --> 00:46:03,359
Speaker 2: of glad that I had that first really you know, yeah,

1046
00:46:03,440 --> 00:46:09,080
Speaker 2: tough experience, but it was. Yeah, it put things in

1047
00:46:09,160 --> 00:46:11,560
Speaker 2: perspective in terms of what my dreams are in terms

1048
00:46:11,640 --> 00:46:14,880
Speaker 2: of do I want. Is being on a network production

1049
00:46:15,120 --> 00:46:17,920
Speaker 2: the end all? Is it the ultimate thing to achieve?

1050
00:46:18,160 --> 00:46:21,640
Speaker 2: Or is working on a production that gets just as

1051
00:46:21,640 --> 00:46:24,960
Speaker 2: many if not more views with less money, you know,

1052
00:46:25,040 --> 00:46:27,480
Speaker 2: with making it with your friends without these restrictions. I mean,

1053
00:46:28,280 --> 00:46:30,719
Speaker 2: it is kind of a I never would have thought

1054
00:46:30,760 --> 00:46:33,759
Speaker 2: that making YouTube videos would be more enjoyable than doing

1055
00:46:33,800 --> 00:46:36,760
Speaker 2: like a television production, but from my experience, it really

1056
00:46:36,840 --> 00:46:38,560
Speaker 2: is like a fun way to just get your creative

1057
00:46:39,520 --> 00:46:41,640
Speaker 2: juices out of you without having to run them through

1058
00:46:42,320 --> 00:46:43,920
Speaker 2: a whole company to say it's okay.

1059
00:46:44,120 --> 00:46:47,520
Speaker 1: Now, your journey was long, and I feel like I've

1060
00:46:47,560 --> 00:46:50,359
Speaker 1: touched on more of the more fun sides of it.

1061
00:46:50,800 --> 00:46:53,719
Speaker 1: I'm curious what a journey as long as it is,

1062
00:46:53,800 --> 00:46:56,680
Speaker 1: What were your personal demons that a lot of people

1063
00:46:56,880 --> 00:46:59,560
Speaker 1: weren't privy to to getting to where you are.

1064
00:47:00,520 --> 00:47:03,640
Speaker 2: My body weight is the first, second, and third thing

1065
00:47:03,800 --> 00:47:06,640
Speaker 2: that was the biggest. Every day I'd wake up hating myself.

1066
00:47:06,680 --> 00:47:11,040
Speaker 2: I'd go to bed hating myself. Strictly, it was all

1067
00:47:11,040 --> 00:47:14,320
Speaker 2: strictly physical. It wasn't you know I And it sucks

1068
00:47:14,360 --> 00:47:16,239
Speaker 2: because I really thought at the time, I was like,

1069
00:47:16,239 --> 00:47:18,319
Speaker 2: I have the ability to write these beautiful stories and

1070
00:47:18,320 --> 00:47:21,239
Speaker 2: these amazing, you know, characters, and I kind of that

1071
00:47:21,320 --> 00:47:24,000
Speaker 2: was my escape, was living in these this fictitious world

1072
00:47:24,000 --> 00:47:27,880
Speaker 2: of these characters that I would create, because in the

1073
00:47:27,920 --> 00:47:30,160
Speaker 2: real world, I didn't feel like pretty enough or good

1074
00:47:30,160 --> 00:47:33,160
Speaker 2: looking enough. I didn't feel like, you know, a lot

1075
00:47:33,200 --> 00:47:35,759
Speaker 2: of people would get big just being cute, and I

1076
00:47:35,800 --> 00:47:37,719
Speaker 2: didn't have that ability. So I felt this pressure to

1077
00:47:38,840 --> 00:47:41,719
Speaker 2: to really work harder on my art. So there was

1078
00:47:41,719 --> 00:47:43,839
Speaker 2: always this resentment on my body weight because I'm like, well,

1079
00:47:43,840 --> 00:47:45,560
Speaker 2: maybe if I was just thinner, I wouldn't have to

1080
00:47:45,600 --> 00:47:50,600
Speaker 2: work so hard, and I would. I had so many

1081
00:47:50,640 --> 00:47:55,640
Speaker 2: eating disorders, like so I would starve myself. I would binge,

1082
00:47:55,680 --> 00:48:00,400
Speaker 2: I would make myself throw up. I would I did everything.

1083
00:48:01,640 --> 00:48:02,560
Speaker 2: I would eat this shit.

1084
00:48:04,360 --> 00:48:06,160
Speaker 1: Now you ate this not just because you were broke,

1085
00:48:06,200 --> 00:48:07,959
Speaker 1: but because you were also trying to stay lean.

1086
00:48:08,120 --> 00:48:10,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it's it's a very deep psychological thing

1087
00:48:10,840 --> 00:48:12,520
Speaker 2: that I've been battling my whole life. Is just my

1088
00:48:12,840 --> 00:48:15,839
Speaker 2: body image. In school, I was constantly made fun of

1089
00:48:15,840 --> 00:48:18,239
Speaker 2: for my body weight. I remember in Pe we had

1090
00:48:18,280 --> 00:48:21,360
Speaker 2: to weigh ourselves every semester. We had to weigh ourselves

1091
00:48:21,760 --> 00:48:24,920
Speaker 2: in front of all the other boys, and we'd get

1092
00:48:24,960 --> 00:48:28,160
Speaker 2: up on the scale and he would the jim tsher

1093
00:48:28,239 --> 00:48:31,120
Speaker 2: would shout off the weight to someone else logging it

1094
00:48:31,160 --> 00:48:33,799
Speaker 2: in a book, so everyone knew what everyone weighed. And

1095
00:48:33,920 --> 00:48:37,000
Speaker 2: I was one sixty at eleven years old, and that

1096
00:48:37,080 --> 00:48:38,400
Speaker 2: was my nickname for the rest of the year. It

1097
00:48:38,440 --> 00:48:39,120
Speaker 2: was one sixty.

1098
00:48:39,480 --> 00:48:42,400
Speaker 1: Oh woweah, yeah, so that's where that can definitely.

1099
00:48:42,719 --> 00:48:46,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, it put me in a really unhealthy place that

1100
00:48:46,120 --> 00:48:48,960
Speaker 2: made me obsess over my body, and much of it

1101
00:48:49,040 --> 00:48:50,520
Speaker 2: still is stuff I'm dealing with today.

1102
00:48:51,320 --> 00:48:53,120
Speaker 1: But because I was going to say you're very lean,

1103
00:48:53,200 --> 00:48:56,040
Speaker 1: You're very I would say more on the well, I

1104
00:48:56,040 --> 00:48:58,799
Speaker 1: don't want to say, but like on the slimmer side, right.

1105
00:48:58,880 --> 00:49:01,360
Speaker 2: Thank you, Well I would have. I mean, i'd be

1106
00:49:01,440 --> 00:49:03,759
Speaker 2: very happy to hear that. A long time ago, and

1107
00:49:03,800 --> 00:49:05,960
Speaker 2: I am still happy. I work hard and I eat healthy.

1108
00:49:06,000 --> 00:49:09,439
Speaker 2: I worked out every day. But it's from a lot

1109
00:49:09,440 --> 00:49:11,799
Speaker 2: of mental illness, Like it's from a lot of just

1110
00:49:12,360 --> 00:49:14,719
Speaker 2: me hating my own body for so many years. And

1111
00:49:14,760 --> 00:49:18,239
Speaker 2: I do think I have a lot of like there's

1112
00:49:18,239 --> 00:49:21,920
Speaker 2: an element of body dysmorphic disorder where all you know,

1113
00:49:21,920 --> 00:49:24,560
Speaker 2: I look in a mirror and I'm kind of reminded subtly, like, oh,

1114
00:49:24,760 --> 00:49:27,520
Speaker 2: I'm to this day, I'll still expect to see someone

1115
00:49:27,520 --> 00:49:29,320
Speaker 2: who looks like how I looked.

1116
00:49:29,520 --> 00:49:31,399
Speaker 1: So like, when you look in the mirror, you don't

1117
00:49:31,440 --> 00:49:34,399
Speaker 1: necessarily see yourself, or do you do you just think

1118
00:49:34,440 --> 00:49:37,000
Speaker 1: back on what you felt like you looked like before.

1119
00:49:37,080 --> 00:49:39,400
Speaker 2: It's that I'm reminded, Oh, yeah, that's right, that's what

1120
00:49:39,440 --> 00:49:40,960
Speaker 2: I look like like. I look at myself in a

1121
00:49:40,960 --> 00:49:42,719
Speaker 2: mirror and I'm like, oh, yeah, that's what I look

1122
00:49:42,840 --> 00:49:44,719
Speaker 2: like now. But when I look away, it's I ha

1123
00:49:44,840 --> 00:49:46,920
Speaker 2: to like think of what I looked like, it's oh yes,

1124
00:49:47,239 --> 00:49:49,600
Speaker 2: oh wow, you know if I even to, like when

1125
00:49:49,600 --> 00:49:51,200
Speaker 2: I get out of a car every now and then,

1126
00:49:51,200 --> 00:49:53,279
Speaker 2: I have to brace myself to stand up because it

1127
00:49:53,360 --> 00:49:56,600
Speaker 2: was over a hundred, like hundred pounds that I lost roughly,

1128
00:49:56,640 --> 00:49:59,080
Speaker 2: and so whenever I stand up, part of me still

1129
00:49:59,080 --> 00:50:01,680
Speaker 2: thinks I have to, but I'm like, oh, I can

1130
00:50:01,719 --> 00:50:05,320
Speaker 2: stand up. Yeah, So so it's it's, uh, it's weird.

1131
00:50:05,400 --> 00:50:08,080
Speaker 2: You know. I totally get people who like I really

1132
00:50:08,080 --> 00:50:11,680
Speaker 2: do understand people who who suffer with body image issues

1133
00:50:11,680 --> 00:50:13,880
Speaker 2: of many different kinds because we all we all do

1134
00:50:13,960 --> 00:50:17,600
Speaker 2: to an extent. But yeah, the be wanting to be

1135
00:50:17,640 --> 00:50:22,480
Speaker 2: an actor and being overweight was really it was hard

1136
00:50:22,520 --> 00:50:23,719
Speaker 2: for me to live with it because I was also

1137
00:50:23,760 --> 00:50:26,480
Speaker 2: brown and the town I lived in it was a

1138
00:50:26,560 --> 00:50:29,480
Speaker 2: it was a very affluent white town, and so I

1139
00:50:29,520 --> 00:50:31,759
Speaker 2: felt I felt gay, I felt fat, I felt brown.

1140
00:50:31,800 --> 00:50:33,480
Speaker 2: I just felt like I was a sub teer on

1141
00:50:33,520 --> 00:50:36,040
Speaker 2: every level. Yeah that I wasn't you know, I wasn't

1142
00:50:36,040 --> 00:50:38,560
Speaker 2: allowed to be at or the lead character.

1143
00:50:38,719 --> 00:50:40,200
Speaker 1: Were you openly gay too or not?

1144
00:50:40,280 --> 00:50:40,680
Speaker 2: No?

1145
00:50:40,680 --> 00:50:41,480
Speaker 1: No, okay, it.

1146
00:50:41,400 --> 00:50:43,520
Speaker 2: Didn't really matter. No people, I mean, I still got

1147
00:50:43,520 --> 00:50:47,200
Speaker 2: called faggot all the time. But uh you know, oh yeah, yeah,

1148
00:50:47,239 --> 00:50:49,200
Speaker 2: it was. It almost didn't matter if I was in

1149
00:50:49,200 --> 00:50:52,480
Speaker 2: the closet or not, because it was if you acted feminine.

1150
00:50:52,840 --> 00:50:55,319
Speaker 2: And it was really hard for me to hide that.

1151
00:50:55,400 --> 00:50:57,279
Speaker 2: Like I had to really learn how to master the

1152
00:50:57,440 --> 00:50:59,319
Speaker 2: musk of my voice. I had to really learn how

1153
00:50:59,360 --> 00:51:02,239
Speaker 2: to like non lisp and not walk with a you know,

1154
00:51:02,360 --> 00:51:03,960
Speaker 2: check my nails like this and not like this.

1155
00:51:05,000 --> 00:51:08,240
Speaker 1: And so just again like that's a lot of different pressures.

1156
00:51:08,600 --> 00:51:10,880
Speaker 1: It really, there's a lot of different pressures, not just

1157
00:51:10,880 --> 00:51:14,359
Speaker 1: to wake up. But it's crazy because you you grow

1158
00:51:14,440 --> 00:51:18,080
Speaker 1: up in this environment where it seems like you're mentally

1159
00:51:18,520 --> 00:51:22,560
Speaker 1: almost hating on yourself, right, but then you find this escape,

1160
00:51:23,040 --> 00:51:27,080
Speaker 1: which is being ultimately the most creative genius. Right, You're

1161
00:51:27,080 --> 00:51:28,040
Speaker 1: a creative genius.

1162
00:51:28,640 --> 00:51:30,120
Speaker 2: I knew that I was a very I knew that

1163
00:51:30,160 --> 00:51:33,040
Speaker 2: I was creative more than other kids in school, and

1164
00:51:33,520 --> 00:51:35,719
Speaker 2: like I guess, if I had any form of self love,

1165
00:51:35,800 --> 00:51:38,640
Speaker 2: it was knowing that there was something special in my brain.

1166
00:51:38,760 --> 00:51:42,200
Speaker 2: And I always kind of knew that, and everyone I

1167
00:51:42,239 --> 00:51:44,359
Speaker 2: think is unique and special, but I really knew like

1168
00:51:44,640 --> 00:51:46,200
Speaker 2: I would I would go home and I'd draw and

1169
00:51:46,239 --> 00:51:48,840
Speaker 2: I'd write stories, and there was like a world. Somewhere

1170
00:51:48,840 --> 00:51:50,839
Speaker 2: in here, I knew that, like I can get lost

1171
00:51:50,880 --> 00:51:53,239
Speaker 2: in my imagination, it helps me just process shit if

1172
00:51:53,239 --> 00:51:55,759
Speaker 2: I if I write it or draw it or put

1173
00:51:55,800 --> 00:51:59,520
Speaker 2: it into a physical medium, and and then you know,

1174
00:51:59,560 --> 00:52:01,040
Speaker 2: I would go back to school or I go back

1175
00:52:01,080 --> 00:52:03,240
Speaker 2: to work as I got older, and I'd be immersed

1176
00:52:03,280 --> 00:52:05,720
Speaker 2: into this world that reminds me that like, oh, nope,

1177
00:52:05,760 --> 00:52:08,080
Speaker 2: you're not smart enough, you're not healthy enough, you're not

1178
00:52:08,719 --> 00:52:11,720
Speaker 2: whatever enough to do anything outside of your own little universe.

1179
00:52:11,760 --> 00:52:13,480
Speaker 2: And that's kind of been a chip on my shoulder

1180
00:52:13,480 --> 00:52:15,279
Speaker 2: my whole life. And it's something that you know, I've

1181
00:52:15,440 --> 00:52:18,279
Speaker 2: gone to therapy for years over is this feeling of

1182
00:52:18,880 --> 00:52:20,719
Speaker 2: everything I do just isn't good enough and I have

1183
00:52:20,719 --> 00:52:22,719
Speaker 2: to do it on my own. And that's it's really

1184
00:52:22,760 --> 00:52:25,320
Speaker 2: tough because you know, a lot of my the products

1185
00:52:25,320 --> 00:52:27,759
Speaker 2: that got me here, it was me doing it at

1186
00:52:27,760 --> 00:52:29,480
Speaker 2: a time when not a lot of people believed in

1187
00:52:29,520 --> 00:52:32,680
Speaker 2: me or not, you know, and and so yeah, it's

1188
00:52:32,680 --> 00:52:35,440
Speaker 2: it's I definitely felt that, especially back then when I

1189
00:52:35,520 --> 00:52:39,320
Speaker 2: was living back home, this inferiority complex of being too

1190
00:52:40,280 --> 00:52:43,279
Speaker 2: anything in a certain direction. I was too fat, too brown.

1191
00:52:43,040 --> 00:52:44,080
Speaker 1: Too Where's back home?

1192
00:52:44,160 --> 00:52:47,440
Speaker 2: Just scared livermore so five hours up north from my own.

1193
00:52:47,280 --> 00:52:48,440
Speaker 1: In California, California.

1194
00:52:48,440 --> 00:52:49,160
Speaker 2: Oh yeah.

1195
00:52:49,200 --> 00:52:54,239
Speaker 1: And then okay, okay, and then what race are you?

1196
00:52:54,760 --> 00:52:57,600
Speaker 2: So? I'm Spanish in Filipino.

1197
00:52:57,320 --> 00:53:01,200
Speaker 1: Spanish and Filipino predominantly. Was it difficult when you were

1198
00:53:01,239 --> 00:53:04,399
Speaker 1: going through like the body dysmorphia to get on camera

1199
00:53:04,480 --> 00:53:05,920
Speaker 1: and play characters?

1200
00:53:06,320 --> 00:53:08,400
Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah. In fact, you can tell when I lost

1201
00:53:08,400 --> 00:53:12,960
Speaker 2: all the weight because I all my characters were suddenly

1202
00:53:13,000 --> 00:53:15,960
Speaker 2: like naked, Like they were all like not naked, but

1203
00:53:16,000 --> 00:53:19,200
Speaker 2: like they wore very little clothing. Yeah, yeah, and that

1204
00:53:19,320 --> 00:53:23,399
Speaker 2: was really. Yeah. I had a mom character who wears

1205
00:53:23,440 --> 00:53:25,440
Speaker 2: like a skin tight spandex suit, and then I have,

1206
00:53:26,360 --> 00:53:29,600
Speaker 2: you know, a character wearing short shorts, and before that,

1207
00:53:29,680 --> 00:53:32,160
Speaker 2: all my characters wore long sleeves and were like wearing

1208
00:53:32,200 --> 00:53:36,359
Speaker 2: suits and ties, and so yeah, that was not Yeah, yeah,

1209
00:53:36,440 --> 00:53:39,800
Speaker 2: my body weight was was really I had a magnifying

1210
00:53:39,800 --> 00:53:42,320
Speaker 2: glass on it because of all the characters I played.

1211
00:53:42,640 --> 00:53:46,560
Speaker 1: Wow. Okay, and then now, what would you say is

1212
00:53:46,600 --> 00:53:48,719
Speaker 1: one of your hardest milestones that you deal with on

1213
00:53:48,760 --> 00:53:52,920
Speaker 1: a regular basis now that you've more arrived, I would say.

1214
00:53:55,239 --> 00:54:05,400
Speaker 2: I feel like just I feel like just you know,

1215
00:54:05,520 --> 00:54:08,120
Speaker 2: feeling that that normal sense of community that I felt

1216
00:54:08,120 --> 00:54:11,160
Speaker 2: when I when I was like back home. It's hard

1217
00:54:11,200 --> 00:54:14,279
Speaker 2: because I don't have a lot of time and I'm

1218
00:54:14,320 --> 00:54:19,120
Speaker 2: either writing, editing, or filming, and so it feels like

1219
00:54:19,120 --> 00:54:22,360
Speaker 2: like my social life has dwindled quite a bit. And

1220
00:54:22,400 --> 00:54:25,399
Speaker 2: I've talked to other influencers or content creators and I've

1221
00:54:25,600 --> 00:54:27,799
Speaker 2: heard similar stories. There is kind of a trade off,

1222
00:54:27,840 --> 00:54:32,640
Speaker 2: you know, when your lifestyle shifts, you gain things you

1223
00:54:32,760 --> 00:54:35,480
Speaker 2: like and you lose things that you know. You know,

1224
00:54:35,560 --> 00:54:38,000
Speaker 2: there's a good trade off you and I think part

1225
00:54:38,040 --> 00:54:39,879
Speaker 2: of the trade off for for where I am now

1226
00:54:39,960 --> 00:54:42,239
Speaker 2: versus where I was before was the sense of just

1227
00:54:43,040 --> 00:54:44,879
Speaker 2: I'm not around people as much as I and you'd

1228
00:54:44,880 --> 00:54:46,560
Speaker 2: think I was around more people because I'm on set

1229
00:54:46,600 --> 00:54:48,760
Speaker 2: more and I'm working with all these actors. What people

1230
00:54:48,800 --> 00:54:52,480
Speaker 2: see on social media me around all these people in

1231
00:54:52,520 --> 00:54:55,959
Speaker 2: a studio is that's like the only time I'm out

1232
00:54:55,960 --> 00:54:59,759
Speaker 2: of the house. So that's like the ten percent of

1233
00:54:59,760 --> 00:55:02,680
Speaker 2: time that other ninety percent of the time I'm home

1234
00:55:03,080 --> 00:55:06,080
Speaker 2: alone having to like, you know, edit.

1235
00:55:06,440 --> 00:55:09,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, So it's funny you say that because the friends

1236
00:55:09,040 --> 00:55:12,080
Speaker 1: that I do have that are influencers, I literally can

1237
00:55:12,120 --> 00:55:14,120
Speaker 1: send them a text, right now, like, let's go hang out,

1238
00:55:14,120 --> 00:55:16,680
Speaker 1: and they're like, unless you want to go work out tomorrow,

1239
00:55:19,360 --> 00:55:21,920
Speaker 1: The answer is no. That's like literally, if I want

1240
00:55:21,960 --> 00:55:23,319
Speaker 1: to hang out with any of them, I'm like, what

1241
00:55:23,400 --> 00:55:26,160
Speaker 1: time are you working out tomorrow? They're like two o'clock,

1242
00:55:26,200 --> 00:55:28,520
Speaker 1: be at the house. If I say, hey, guys, I'm

1243
00:55:28,520 --> 00:55:30,560
Speaker 1: going through something and I just really need someone to

1244
00:55:30,560 --> 00:55:33,239
Speaker 1: talk to, They're like, call a suicide hotline. I wish

1245
00:55:33,320 --> 00:55:36,160
Speaker 1: you the fucking best. Believe in yourself. There are people

1246
00:55:36,200 --> 00:55:38,640
Speaker 1: with much worse, but I promise you their text will

1247
00:55:38,680 --> 00:55:41,440
Speaker 1: be something like that, wish you the best. Believe in yourself.

1248
00:55:41,520 --> 00:55:43,640
Speaker 1: There's people to have it way worse. Get the fuck

1249
00:55:43,719 --> 00:55:46,520
Speaker 1: over it, call a hotline. I'm not a therapist, and

1250
00:55:46,560 --> 00:55:48,960
Speaker 1: these are really good friends of mine, and as fucked

1251
00:55:49,000 --> 00:55:50,960
Speaker 1: up as their text sound, it's the truth and it

1252
00:55:50,960 --> 00:55:53,399
Speaker 1: snatch me out of whatever. But I will say, all

1253
00:55:53,400 --> 00:55:55,319
Speaker 1: my influencer friends, the only time I can hang out

1254
00:55:55,360 --> 00:55:57,399
Speaker 1: with them is if I say what time you working

1255
00:55:57,400 --> 00:55:59,600
Speaker 1: out tomorrow? That's the only time you know.

1256
00:55:59,640 --> 00:56:01,600
Speaker 2: And that's that's that's such an l a thing too,

1257
00:56:01,600 --> 00:56:03,799
Speaker 2: I feel, and I'm I know what you mean. Are

1258
00:56:03,840 --> 00:56:04,399
Speaker 2: you the same way?

1259
00:56:04,400 --> 00:56:06,160
Speaker 1: If I were to be like, Yo, Brandon, let's meet up.

1260
00:56:06,160 --> 00:56:08,680
Speaker 1: You'd be like, well, what's I'm working out at two o'clock.

1261
00:56:08,719 --> 00:56:09,960
Speaker 1: You can show it to a clock you.

1262
00:56:09,920 --> 00:56:18,360
Speaker 2: Call the suicide hotline. No, no, I I I. The

1263
00:56:18,440 --> 00:56:20,960
Speaker 2: thing is everyone's so busy in their own lane here

1264
00:56:21,000 --> 00:56:23,080
Speaker 2: that the only way for people to see each other

1265
00:56:23,160 --> 00:56:25,400
Speaker 2: is if you both see each other doing something you

1266
00:56:25,440 --> 00:56:28,000
Speaker 2: were already gonna do, so like it was a working

1267
00:56:28,040 --> 00:56:29,920
Speaker 2: out thing, because I've done I've had so many workout

1268
00:56:29,960 --> 00:56:32,200
Speaker 2: hangouts where it's like you want to go on a hike. Oh, yeah,

1269
00:56:32,200 --> 00:56:33,879
Speaker 2: I was supposed to work out tomorrow. You're gonna work.

1270
00:56:34,000 --> 00:56:36,279
Speaker 2: Let's just go on a hike. Yeah, I've definitely done

1271
00:56:36,600 --> 00:56:39,920
Speaker 2: that before. But I think that it's important that you know,

1272
00:56:40,960 --> 00:56:42,879
Speaker 2: you always have at least someone to turn to if

1273
00:56:42,880 --> 00:56:45,680
Speaker 2: you're going through a hard time, at least that one person.

1274
00:56:46,040 --> 00:56:48,719
Speaker 2: But it can it can get pretty lonely the higher

1275
00:56:48,800 --> 00:56:52,600
Speaker 2: up you Just in my experience when I was surrounded

1276
00:56:52,600 --> 00:56:55,920
Speaker 2: by the most love and and and people around me,

1277
00:56:55,960 --> 00:56:58,000
Speaker 2: that was like earlier and like you know, and every

1278
00:56:58,120 --> 00:57:00,960
Speaker 2: year I find myself myself spending more and more time

1279
00:57:01,000 --> 00:57:03,120
Speaker 2: alone to where I was like this last year, I

1280
00:57:03,120 --> 00:57:04,520
Speaker 2: think I spent new Years by myself.

1281
00:57:04,680 --> 00:57:07,840
Speaker 1: Oh I also start of my life by the way, guys,

1282
00:57:07,840 --> 00:57:08,800
Speaker 1: But yeah.

1283
00:57:08,719 --> 00:57:12,000
Speaker 2: I was. I was on Zoom with some other influencers

1284
00:57:12,040 --> 00:57:14,560
Speaker 2: who were also spending New Years by themselves. It was

1285
00:57:14,640 --> 00:57:15,560
Speaker 2: really good.

1286
00:57:15,640 --> 00:57:17,880
Speaker 1: That's actually pretty good to know because I think people

1287
00:57:17,920 --> 00:57:19,960
Speaker 1: when they see influencers, they think, oh my god, he

1288
00:57:20,080 --> 00:57:22,120
Speaker 1: is the best life, the most amazing life. And it's

1289
00:57:22,200 --> 00:57:25,360
Speaker 1: just like, well to hear that influencers are spending New

1290
00:57:25,440 --> 00:57:29,800
Speaker 1: Year's on Zoom alone. That's that's something that I don't think.

1291
00:57:30,280 --> 00:57:32,160
Speaker 2: No one talks about that. And I have a few

1292
00:57:32,160 --> 00:57:34,280
Speaker 2: friends that I hang out with that were actors and

1293
00:57:34,360 --> 00:57:36,600
Speaker 2: shows that I would watch before I moved to LA

1294
00:57:36,840 --> 00:57:38,400
Speaker 2: And when I hang out with them, it's not like

1295
00:57:38,400 --> 00:57:40,840
Speaker 2: we're hanging out at a big part. It's like we're

1296
00:57:40,840 --> 00:57:43,200
Speaker 2: hanging out, grabbing coffee or we're hanging I think this

1297
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Speaker 2: is this myth that like entertainers are abundantly surrounded by people,

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Speaker 2: but that's only when you see them on camera they're

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Speaker 2: with you know, for me at least, Yeah, like I said,

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Speaker 2: ninety percent of the time, I'm just by myself. And

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Speaker 2: it's kind of nice because Hollywood's a noisy place and

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Speaker 2: if you can afford it by yourself in this town. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: because it's not cheap living here. So I you know,

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Speaker 2: as much as I hate being alone, I'm also reminded like,

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Speaker 2: at least I can afford a roof over my head.

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Speaker 2: And like, because I've had some crazy roommates.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, I've definitely had the times of a

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Speaker 1: million roommates. And but you know, now, years later, I

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Speaker 1: was thinking this morning, I'm so thankful for even the

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Speaker 1: headaches that I get. I'm like, wow, Like, you know,

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Speaker 1: I told you earlier my engineering headache, my engineering headache.

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Speaker 1: But it's like, yo, how lucky am I to like

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Speaker 1: have this is my problem of the day.

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Speaker 2: I know, well there's champagne problems, but there's still problems,

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Speaker 2: because oh there's still problems.

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Speaker 1: They're real legit when you're going through your phone, Like.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's entertainment, is well what we do because

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00:58:42,680 --> 00:58:44,520
Speaker 2: we were very similar in the sense that we both

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Speaker 2: produce our own thing, and it's it's it looks like

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Speaker 2: entertainment to the rest of the world, but it's our jobs.

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Speaker 2: And so like you, whatever part of your brain has

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Speaker 2: to problem solve the way an accountant or a doctor,

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Speaker 2: it's still that same part of your brain that's having

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Speaker 2: and like, okay, like I got to figure this out.

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Speaker 2: You know. It's it's entertainment, but it still is just

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Speaker 2: as stressful as I think, like a real job.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you're prioritizing fires. And I always, I always, even

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Speaker 1: when people call me and they're like, well you have

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Speaker 1: a fire over here or fire over here, you have

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Speaker 1: a fire over here, in my brain, I'm like, okay,

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Speaker 1: which is the most important fire? Which fire can I delegate?

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Speaker 1: And which fire they I ain't really worried about it,

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Speaker 1: that's not really that's a you know, I have.

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Speaker 2: The hardest time with that. I swear to God my fires,

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Speaker 2: to me, they're all equal, and I will spend so

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Speaker 2: much time putting out a fire that doesn't matter, while

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Speaker 2: like my house is burning down, and.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, no, I'll separate the fires from the from Okay,

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Speaker 1: that's a I could delegate. I can hand that off.

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Speaker 1: But what I do will, what I will say is

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Speaker 1: that whenever I see a potential fire, oh yeah, I'm like, yo,

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Speaker 1: that potential fire needs to be put out while it's

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Speaker 1: a potential fire, right right, So, like before my engineer

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Speaker 1: nightmares started, happened, Please believe I'll started and firefighters together

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Speaker 1: the whole time. Look, we're getting the light, Brandon. It

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Speaker 1: is such a pleasure to hang with you. Is there

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Speaker 1: anything that you think that I missed that I could

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Speaker 1: have shared that you you could have shared that your

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01:00:12,200 --> 01:00:15,200
Speaker 1: fans don't necessarily know about your story.

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Speaker 2: You know, I gosh, don't eat canned chicken with balsonic vinegar.

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01:00:22,200 --> 01:00:24,880
Speaker 2: It really even eating kind of like I'm kind of like,

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01:00:25,320 --> 01:00:28,640
Speaker 2: I don't know if I should have eaten that, but no,

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Speaker 2: I honestly I appreciate you having me here. I don't

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01:00:31,280 --> 01:00:34,040
Speaker 2: get to talk about that part of my life very much,

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01:00:34,080 --> 01:00:36,600
Speaker 2: but it is, I mean, my body, my weight, what

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01:00:36,680 --> 01:00:38,800
Speaker 2: I used to eat when I was broke is such

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01:00:38,800 --> 01:00:40,560
Speaker 2: a big part of me and makes me who I

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Speaker 2: am today, And so thank you for giving me a

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Speaker 2: space that really is appropriate to talk about that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and just so you know, as messed up as

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Speaker 1: this is gonna sound, I appreciate you cooking for me.

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Speaker 1: But I second that do not eat canned chicken with

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Speaker 1: bolsonic vinegar. Every matter of fact, if you do the

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Speaker 1: canned chicken, you know, definitely mix it with like a

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Speaker 1: sogpreneiur or what have you book can Chicken should never

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Speaker 1: be eaten straight out the can.

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Speaker 2: I think we've said so preneer a different way every entrepreneur.

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Speaker 1: Someone's gonna go on the comments and really hate us

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Speaker 1: for this.

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Speaker 2: It's so I know, it's all the accent marks. So

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Speaker 2: it's all No, I I I really appreciate you having

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Speaker 2: me here, Thank you?

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Speaker 5: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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01:01:21,520 --> 01:01:24,400
Speaker 1: And then where can people? Where can guess catch up

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Speaker 1: with Brandon Rogers?

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Speaker 2: Oh? You can catch YouTube is my main spot by

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01:01:27,840 --> 01:01:29,720
Speaker 2: any search bar. Just type in my name, see what

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Speaker 2: you find.

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Speaker 1: And then Instagram and ticked out? And then do you

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01:01:33,600 --> 01:01:35,160
Speaker 1: also get paid from those platforms?

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01:01:35,680 --> 01:01:38,880
Speaker 2: Those are really more promotional tools for my YouTube?

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01:01:38,920 --> 01:01:39,280
Speaker 1: YouTube?

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01:01:39,360 --> 01:01:39,600
Speaker 2: Yeah?

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01:01:40,040 --> 01:01:42,120
Speaker 1: YouTube? I heard Facebook is the real payer.

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01:01:43,480 --> 01:01:46,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, the YouTube is. I'm loyal to YouTube though.

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Speaker 1: They have a YouTube and Facebook owned by the same company.

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01:01:48,560 --> 01:01:52,600
Speaker 2: No, no, Facebook Meta owns Facebook and then Google owns YouTube.

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01:01:52,640 --> 01:01:55,200
Speaker 1: I believe oh man, people have been getting paid on Facebook.

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Speaker 1: Don't sleep on Facebook. You're gonna go home and he's

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01:01:58,360 --> 01:02:01,920
Speaker 1: gonna monetize the Facebook. Another text to his account. No,

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01:02:02,040 --> 01:02:04,480
Speaker 1: I hear Facebook's payouts are crazy.

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01:02:04,720 --> 01:02:08,480
Speaker 2: You know, I mean they're they are, They are very reputable.

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Speaker 2: I don't want to knock them. They're great. I didn't

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Speaker 2: have a Facebook show one day. They did pay for

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Speaker 2: a show that I had a.

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Speaker 1: Long time agot, but mainly it's YouTube, Instagram and TikTok. Yes,

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Speaker 1: all right, guys, thank you so much for feeding me.

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Speaker 1: On another episode of Eating Wall broke.

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