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Speaker 1: Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast AM on

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Speaker 1: iHeart Radio and welcome back to our Veterans Day Salute program.

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Speaker 1: George nor with you, Daniel Brinkley, a marine with us

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Speaker 1: of course, and Daniel Sower. You made a pledge to

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Speaker 1: your mother to watch over your father. Yeah, And so

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Speaker 1: that's how I got into this. And my dad he

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Speaker 1: could understand. He was a disabled veteran from World War Two.

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Speaker 1: And I discovered the Aide Wing. You know, this is

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Speaker 1: like nineteen eighty four, and it was the saddest place

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Speaker 1: I'd ever been. George, I couldn't believe it. And you

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Speaker 1: know then that was you know, when everybody thought if

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Speaker 1: you were in within a hundred miles of it, you

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Speaker 1: could get it. Yeah. Yeah, And I just I just

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Speaker 1: found that place where that kind of depression, no matter

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Speaker 1: how or whatever it was, and the isolation and people

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Speaker 1: putting in the whole suits on and like it's Hans

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Speaker 1: Matt and it exact connection between human beings. And I

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Speaker 1: just found a calling. And I know a lot about

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Speaker 1: death and dying, so having a viewpoint of what's next,

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Speaker 1: I could take a really good look at what happens

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Speaker 1: in the course of serving and then what happens when

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Speaker 1: the VA and the government agencies are supposed to take

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Speaker 1: care of the veteran. So I'm a member of every organization,

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Speaker 1: every caregiver organization, all the programs at the VA, and

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Speaker 1: I listened to the I listened to the information. And

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Speaker 1: then I have contacts in twenty two VAS people who

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Speaker 1: were Twilight burgators who trained or took my program which

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Speaker 1: now became the Novet dialone program, and that was all

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Speaker 1: created by a group of us. And so I can

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Speaker 1: call those people and I can ask them specific questions

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Speaker 1: based on implementation of stuff as I read the legislature.

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Speaker 1: And then I still do I still do bigils. I mean,

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Speaker 1: you know, I did one three. This is let me

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Speaker 1: say something really strange. And because I pay so much

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Speaker 1: attention to paytive and end of life care. This is

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Speaker 1: my world and why I focus on it is there's

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Speaker 1: so many of us in our generation that the way

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Speaker 1: life is going and the amount of stress that's being

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Speaker 1: created and the shifting of consciousness is being created before

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Speaker 1: our very eyes. That kind of stress and what it's

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Speaker 1: going to build up into the medical paradigm has to

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Speaker 1: be paid attention to. So knowing that, then I look

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Speaker 1: at potive and end of life care as a specialty.

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Speaker 1: That means I can also look back, George, all the

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Speaker 1: way through the system and see the flaws. You know,

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Speaker 1: I can see the flaws, and I when I looked

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Speaker 1: at AIDS patients and what happens, it was just a

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Speaker 1: point that I had to somehow get their family or

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Speaker 1: their friends past whatever issues they had so that that

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Speaker 1: person could have closure and hurt in fighting and defending

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Speaker 1: this country, there was a place greater than any of

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Speaker 1: their personal choices they made. They made a personal choice

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Speaker 1: to protect me as a veteran or our people who served,

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Speaker 1: and that was good enough for me, And so that's

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Speaker 1: what led me into doing this, Daniel. Back in the

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Speaker 1: sixties and the early seventies, of course, the protesters protesting

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Speaker 1: the Vietnam War, and as I look back now, protesting

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Speaker 1: the war was fine. They had a right to do that.

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Speaker 1: But what they forgot to do and that era, is

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Speaker 1: protect the troops. Instead, they blamed the troops for Vietnam.

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Speaker 1: They ratted down on the troops rather than you know,

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Speaker 1: give us pride with the troops. If you want to

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Speaker 1: be a post to war, that's fine. But don't attack

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Speaker 1: the troops in doing it. And that's the mistake I

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Speaker 1: think the protesters made during that era. Well I think

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Speaker 1: that was an American mistake. But it was all strategy.

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Speaker 1: You know, all of that stuff was strategy. Had you

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Speaker 1: had to the far left that was the biggest protesters

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Speaker 1: that spit on them and all of that. They had

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Speaker 1: a knowledge of how the war was being run. You know,

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Speaker 1: they had a knowledge about it, and that radicalness was

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Speaker 1: just enough for people to pay attention to that they

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Speaker 1: were caught. Okay, but Guy's coming back. A lot of

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Speaker 1: people got upset about it. A lot of kinds are

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Speaker 1: traumatized for it now. And you and I both know

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Speaker 1: that because we know people in that age group. We

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Speaker 1: both know that it is and it's subtle, but it's there.

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Speaker 1: You were just doing your job. You were doing that,

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Speaker 1: and you believe, you know, everybody knew they were protecting

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Speaker 1: America from the from the red tide. You know, it

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Speaker 1: had to be some business and all of us knew

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Speaker 1: that it had to be some business angle because it

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Speaker 1: was so stupid about how it was run and how

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Speaker 1: it operated. So that created the psychology where it not

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Speaker 1: only depressed the Vietnam era person not only depressed them,

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Speaker 1: it created anxiety, okay, And that's what we're dealing with

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Speaker 1: when we watch probably fifty million people go through well

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Speaker 1: not there's fifty million people in the age group, but

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Speaker 1: say they would probably be twelve to thirteen million of

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Speaker 1: us that are going through those periods right now. And

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Speaker 1: look how fast, Look how fast Psigon fell As soon

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Speaker 1: as we got out of there. It was almost overnight,

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Speaker 1: wasn't it. Yeah, spelling a day. Look at Cobble, same thing,

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Speaker 1: it fell in a day. Okay. Well, when you stop

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Speaker 1: and you look at that, when you look at that,

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Speaker 1: and just like we were saying earlier that that they

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Speaker 1: left American soldiers' families and they did that, okay, And

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Speaker 1: who knows if that's true or not, but you hear it,

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Speaker 1: then there is a rumbling occurring. There's a rumbling occurring,

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Speaker 1: and then there are those and it's just how they

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Speaker 1: deal with it. I mean, I've seen everybody deal with it,

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Speaker 1: from anger to dejection to depression to a PTSD, you know,

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Speaker 1: And I watched this stuff all the time. Well, and

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Speaker 1: what I always have said to Danien is when we

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Speaker 1: found out that Osama bin Laden was hiding in Tora

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Speaker 1: Bora in that mountain region. We should have just leveled

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Speaker 1: that mountain region, just taken it all out, the whole mountain,

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Speaker 1: and we wouldn't even have had to sent any troops. Well,

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Speaker 1: I would have voted for that myself. That but we

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Speaker 1: didn't have a we didn't have the daisy cutter. Then,

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Speaker 1: I mean, we'd have to vomb it for like four days.

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Speaker 1: Not if you use one nuke. I don't know about that, George.

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Speaker 1: Look what they did to us. Well, I understand, but

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Speaker 1: a nuclear weapon sets off a whole different psychology. That's

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Speaker 1: just it's just it's just a mount tell us about

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Speaker 1: the Twilight Brigade. How did that start? Okay, the toilet

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Speaker 1: Brigade started when I had to have brain surgery. And

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Speaker 1: what I did was the first two times that I

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Speaker 1: had gone through being struck by lightning, an open heart surgery,

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Speaker 1: and these near death experiences, there was a place in it, George,

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Speaker 1: that I thought was just a passenger place where where

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Speaker 1: you looked at the separation between the world you were

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Speaker 1: leaving and then the tunnel, and then down the tunnel

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Speaker 1: and then into the life. But the third time it

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Speaker 1: was brain surgery and I told you this before. I

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Speaker 1: was outside of my body, but I wasn't floating above it.

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Speaker 1: I was watching it from that point. And when I

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Speaker 1: you separate, I realized that it was a level of

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Speaker 1: and it was they were trapped out by choice. And

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Speaker 1: there were so many veterans, because I could tell by

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Speaker 1: here we go again. And I spent forty one hours

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Speaker 1: in recovery because I kept studying this place I called

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Speaker 1: the blue gray place, and I saw that if I

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Speaker 1: could create a program that would help ease some of

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Speaker 1: the crisis of what I felt over there, then and

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Speaker 1: I could not only send a veteran, I could send

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Speaker 1: him having knowing that their life had value and knowing

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Speaker 1: that they had closure and the five steps by which

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Speaker 1: you create closure. And as that person trapp has from

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Speaker 1: through the veil or through the tunnel, another veteran or

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Speaker 1: another person dealing with that could see or feel that

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Speaker 1: light and he would let go of this level that

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Speaker 1: never saw that place the first two times, and then

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Speaker 1: I've seen it the third time, and then I saw

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Speaker 1: it three years ago the fourth time. So what got

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Speaker 1: me to create the Twilet Brigade was realizing that people

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Speaker 1: lose a certain part when they feel betrayed or they

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Speaker 1: deal in working through those issues. A lot of what

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Speaker 1: the Tibetans called bardos and what the Catholics until they

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Speaker 1: settled with the Lutherans in twenty thirteen Purgatory. Oh yes,

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Speaker 1: know it? Well? What has been for you the most

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Speaker 1: emotional aspect of working with vets that you can recall,

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Speaker 1: because just like you were talking about, George, so many

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Speaker 1: people lived after wars and saw what the world was.

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Speaker 1: A world war gives you the chance to see what

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Speaker 1: the world World War was and what happened after it,

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Speaker 1: and you hear political sides of views, and you hear

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Speaker 1: opinions about it. And I've been with thousands of veterans

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Speaker 1: and you know, in groups and organizations and listening to

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Speaker 1: their viewpoints of American history. But the most important thing

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Speaker 1: was that I could help them. I understand how you

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Speaker 1: look at the VA. I spent thirty seven years in

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Speaker 1: the VA, and I am a very focused person. You know.

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Speaker 1: I'm paying attention to how it works and what it

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Speaker 1: does and when it does it, and where the flaws

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Speaker 1: are and what's the overall picture of what's being occurred.

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Speaker 1: Because I can tell you this, George, this system that's

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Speaker 1: being created now, this veteran healthcare system, Okay, it will

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Speaker 1: it has a bigger future after we're gone, after we

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Speaker 1: the Vietnam, the thirteen million of us, then it'll have

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Speaker 1: a different platform. It will have a different structure and

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Speaker 1: reality social my friend, and so being a part of

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Speaker 1: watching all of that and being a part of being

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Speaker 1: I've always looked at it from the standpoint is I'm

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Speaker 1: they're all me. And so I can look at it

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Speaker 1: from being Daniel Brinkley former marine. And then I can

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Speaker 1: look at it from being Daniel Brinkley, the dead guy,

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Speaker 1: and then I can look at it from how those

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Speaker 1: systems cohesively work together to give that safe, fulfilling method

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Speaker 1: You know, that is the place. And I have a

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Speaker 1: targeted audience. George God gave me a bunch of means,

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Speaker 1: and I have a targeted audience that the union and

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Speaker 1: unity between the military people from that period because of

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Speaker 1: how we were treated, bonded us. And we know crazies

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Speaker 1: are living in denial but went off and made themselves prominent.

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Speaker 1: So by looking at it from that point of view,

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Speaker 1: I take great pride in three basic programs that the

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Speaker 1: VA didn't have, and I work diligently to put these

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Speaker 1: programs in play. And one is the integrated therapies, which

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Speaker 1: is now whole Health. And everybody who's listening, and every

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Speaker 1: caregiver who's listening, you need to call the VA, and

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Speaker 1: you need to get into the whole health program. Just

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Speaker 1: get in the whole health program and tell them you're

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Speaker 1: looking for mindfulness, okay, And everybody if it's a veteran.

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Speaker 1: That's what you do that moves your claims forward. And

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Speaker 1: this whole health program, George, is a remarkable program that

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Speaker 1: people are using yoga, which when we started it we

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Speaker 1: couldn't say yoga, but now we could say yoga, stretching,

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Speaker 1: tai chi. All of these things are improving the lives

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Speaker 1: of people. They can do it at home. One thing

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Speaker 1: about COVID, COVID create a way that you can almost

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Speaker 1: make personal interaction with people. That's the only good thing

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Speaker 1: that came out of COVID is our interaction with people

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Speaker 1: either by zoom or phones or whatever we do Skype

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Speaker 1: or Microsoft. I mean, I do the Novat Dialog program

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Speaker 1: in two basod for you well, because so I know

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Speaker 1: everything that's going on, George. If I listened to the

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Speaker 1: programs and I participate, and I have done it for

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Speaker 1: forty years, so I can see things that people need

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Speaker 1: and in how to perspect the nature of transition. So

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Speaker 1: I listened, and I'd like to say this. There's a

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Speaker 1: guy in Atlanta and his name is Curtis Williams. He's

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Speaker 1: a reverend and the Chaplain program, George, this is someone

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Speaker 1: who through COVID and through everything I have seen him

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Speaker 1: used the Novette Dialog program and to build it and

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Speaker 1: to support it in ways that makes me very very proud.

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