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Speaker 1: one two seven of Native Lampire where we give you
Speaker 1: our breakdown breakdown on all things politics with a little
Speaker 1: bit of culture sprinkled in there. And I'm your host
Speaker 1: for today, along with my co host, of course, never
Speaker 1: to be forgotten, the Angela Rai, the Butkari sellers, and
Speaker 1: they deserve a thee before their name because you know,
Speaker 1: they want you to know they are the only one.
Speaker 1: And we're joined today. We are joined today by Joshua.
Speaker 1: I ascribed you the the man. Are you doing?
Speaker 2: I'm doing all right, man, I'm happy to be here.
Speaker 3: I'm glad y'all have you all.
Speaker 1: We're exceptionally proud to welcome you, Joshua. We uh one.
Speaker 1: We had asked your question before we entered the show,
Speaker 1: and before I asked you that question, and before all
Speaker 1: of your new listening public. I want to inform our
Speaker 1: listeners that Joshua is a viral digital content creator and
Speaker 1: a poster digital digital and really came no, that was
Speaker 1: Miami baby, uh and really just all around a brilliant
Speaker 1: black man and before he got on, I was like, Joshua,
Speaker 1: are you single? Because I was trying to make sure
Speaker 1: I can set y' all up on the listener side
Speaker 1: in case there was an opening. But it appears that
Speaker 1: Situations as always.
Speaker 4: Answered that for himself.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna let him off completely. Just take situations are complicated.
Speaker 2: No, I mean, like, as I was saying before, you know,
Speaker 2: I'm in a committed relationship. I would I would have said,
Speaker 2: I'm in a committed relationship with my Lord and save
Speaker 2: for Jesus Christ, you know, he ordered my steps, trust
Speaker 2: him with all my all, my heart, you know, lean
Speaker 2: on my school and understanding. And so that's where I
Speaker 2: feel like the relationship we should all be.
Speaker 4: Let me tell you the relationship I don't understand.
Speaker 3: I ain't never see nobody be full of shit.
Speaker 5: Quote after I have a flag on the play really quick.
Speaker 5: So the other thing that came up while we were
Speaker 5: prepping to start the podcast is Joshua is not only
Speaker 5: a poster digital content creator, but he's also a graduate
Speaker 5: of the University of South.
Speaker 2: That's true, South Dakota.
Speaker 5: I was like, what what are you doing there? And
Speaker 5: he has an answer for these things.
Speaker 1: What are you doing that. So I'm from Chicago.
Speaker 2: The Chicago to South Dakota pipeline is not strong, but
Speaker 2: I did.
Speaker 3: I played basketball.
Speaker 2: So you know, as anybody playing high school basketball, you know,
Speaker 2: if you get a Division one scholarship, you go where
Speaker 2: the scholarship is.
Speaker 3: So I got school.
Speaker 5: Page Universus South Dakota Division one.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 3: They are the mighty, the mighty fighting Christie Noms.
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Speaker 4: Oh no, I thought you guys were going to have
Speaker 4: a competition.
Speaker 3: It's not a competent, it's not a competition. There's nothing
Speaker 3: that there's nothing FAM can do that in competition.
Speaker 1: That's right, that's right, that's precisely right. Because we're not
Speaker 1: on the same wavelength.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 1: That your arms are too short to fight with God.
Speaker 3: They put a crown above our head and more house
Speaker 3: for us to grow into.
Speaker 1: Yes, we're so proud. I think when I are, I think.
Speaker 3: Of University of South Dakota, when I think of.
Speaker 1: Fat there it is and on that we can agree
Speaker 1: all these got so many topics to cover in Face
Speaker 1: today for your situational awareness, and there are a lot
Speaker 1: of topics that we've got to get to and I
Speaker 1: don't want to bury the lead that we are going
Speaker 1: to spend some time, uh with this topic. I'm sure
Speaker 1: you all have heard about the recent resignations from Congress,
Speaker 1: but very specifically that of Congressman former Congressman Eric Swawoll,
Speaker 1: who we just want to sort of get into some
Speaker 1: of the I think nuance of these kinds of situations
Speaker 1: and maybe ask some questions that aren't necessarily asked in
Speaker 1: polite society. Y'all want to hang with us for that conversation.
Speaker 1: But before we get there, y'all, lie, I got to
Speaker 1: toss over to my friend Bacari, who I think is
Speaker 1: kicking us off with some good news. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Man, when you when you're doom strolling sometimes on social media,
Speaker 3: every now and then something pops up that brightens your day.
Speaker 3: And I want to give a shout out to one
Speaker 3: hundred and four year old Charles Johnson, who is competing
Speaker 3: in the Vegas shoot for the fourth time. I think
Speaker 3: we have a clip of Charles here I wanted to play,
Speaker 3: just so we get started off with a Charles, do
Speaker 3: you mister mister Charles?
Speaker 7: Yes, well, I'm My name is Charles Johnson and I'm
Speaker 7: one hundred and four years old. I'm from Phoenix, Arizona,
Speaker 7: originally from Plucksburg, West Virginia, but Phoenix now, and this
Speaker 7: is I think this is my fourth time here. I
Speaker 7: don't know if I'll make it five, but I'll try,
Speaker 7: you know what I mean. You know, this is one
Speaker 7: of the joys of my life being this. You know,
Speaker 7: it used to be golf.
Speaker 8: This took the.
Speaker 7: Place of golf. So that and I've met so many
Speaker 7: good friends here. I'd love to tell people that I'm.
Speaker 1: An archery Oh.
Speaker 7: To tell people I'm going to Vegas means a lot.
Speaker 3: You know. That's my favorite fence. This morning, I'm in Vegas,
Speaker 3: the archery.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah.
Speaker 7: So it's very exciting for them and for me too.
Speaker 7: My best memory here, yeah, the first time. I wish
Speaker 7: you could hear when I was introduced to the whole crowd,
Speaker 7: three thousand people for me to stay hello to them,
Speaker 7: that was that was fantastic, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3: I'll never forget that, you know, great.
Speaker 2: He ready to run for the Democratic nominee.
Speaker 3: Before he can go to Congress right now.
Speaker 1: Four year old archery contestant. Yeah, that's all right, he said,
Speaker 1: my friends. No, I'm in Vegas and it's exciting for
Speaker 1: all of us. But Angela. He was very, very obviously
Speaker 1: carrying on his chest the Almighty Cross. I understand that
Speaker 1: there's some some conflict right now between.
Speaker 5: The Cross, between the Antichrist and the pope. So let's
Speaker 5: talk about that. Poblo said, he ain't never scared of
Speaker 5: Donald Trump, and we're gonna go ahead and run that clip.
Speaker 9: I have no fear from your administration or speaking out
Speaker 9: nullady about the message of the Gospel.
Speaker 1: And that's what I believe. I am called to know
Speaker 1: what the church's called to do.
Speaker 9: If we're not politicians, we're not looking to make foreign policies.
Speaker 9: He falls it with the safe perspective that he might
Speaker 9: understand it. But I do believe, with permission of the Gospel,
Speaker 9: the blessed of the peacemakers is the message that the war.
Speaker 3: Needs to hear.
Speaker 4: Kim, blessed are the peacemakers.
Speaker 5: And speaking of those who do not make any piece whatsoever,
Speaker 5: it won't even apologize Donald Trump, let's throw that.
Speaker 6: No, I don't, because Popolio said things that are wrong.
Speaker 6: He was very much against what I'm doing with with
Speaker 6: regard to Iran, and you cannot have a nuclear Iran.
Speaker 6: Popolio would not be happy with the end result. You
Speaker 6: have hundreds of millions of people dead. That is not
Speaker 6: going to happen, So I can't. I think he's very
Speaker 6: weak on crime.
Speaker 5: And other things.
Speaker 6: So I'm not he went public. I'm just responding to
Speaker 6: Pope Leo. And you know, his brother is a big
Speaker 6: maga person and he's a great guy, Lewis, And I said,
Speaker 6: I like Lewis better than I like the Pope.
Speaker 5: So he is referring to this particular post from the Pope.
Speaker 5: He's basically saying he started it, so I had to
Speaker 5: finish it. So this is what the Pope had to say.
Speaker 5: God does not bless any conflict anyone who is a
Speaker 5: disciple of Christ, the Prince of Peace is never on
Speaker 5: the side of those who once wielded the sword and
Speaker 5: today drop bombs. Military action will not create space for
Speaker 5: freedom or times of peace, which comes only from the
Speaker 5: patient promotion of coexistence and dialogue among peoples. So Pope
Speaker 5: Leo was like, listen here, a friend. I don't know
Speaker 5: what type of time you want, but me and you
Speaker 5: ain't reading the same kind of scriptures. And Donald Trump
Speaker 5: was like, I ain't apologizing. You don't know what you're
Speaker 5: talking about.
Speaker 4: And this is it.
Speaker 5: He is weak on crime, as if that is what
Speaker 5: Pope Leo is supposed to be about. So I'd love
Speaker 5: to hear you all thoughts about the Pope from the
Speaker 5: South side of Chicago and Donald Trump.
Speaker 3: Man, I'm taking I'm taking the Pope over missions over
Speaker 3: mister two Corinthians and the man that got the man
Speaker 3: that got five kids by three baby mamas. I'm just take.
Speaker 3: I'm just gonna take the Pope in this debate right here.
Speaker 1: Who you got, who you got? Who you got? I
Speaker 1: don't know.
Speaker 4: I mean, really, that's South Dakota.
Speaker 2: Donald Trump represents a version of white Christianity that is
Speaker 2: every bit as real and valid as Pop Leo's. Honestly
Speaker 2: for being real, like Pope Leo can sit on a
Speaker 2: on a plane and criticize Trump's barbaric approach to foreign
Speaker 2: policy as he threatens to kill ninety million people, but
Speaker 2: that plane was going to Africa, where he planned to
Speaker 2: spread the evangelical gospel to the black people who have
Speaker 2: been who have had, you know, a terrible history with
Speaker 2: white people traveling from their homes and telling them about divinity,
Speaker 2: right like, there's a soft there's a violence, a soft violence,
Speaker 2: and how Christianity has spread throughout black people in the
Speaker 2: in the world. So I don't know, I see two
Speaker 2: white Christians going at it.
Speaker 3: Oh my, oh my.
Speaker 4: Scripture at the beginning of this show.
Speaker 2: I'm culturally Christian, but I have deep critiques of how
Speaker 2: white supremacy, American Christianity and politics played like that.
Speaker 3: But also I also think that I also think that
Speaker 3: that uh uh, Donald Trump uses Christianity as political currency.
Speaker 3: He's not a I don't I don't find him to
Speaker 3: be a Christian. I mean, I'm not pushing back on
Speaker 3: your analysis, but to equate them as the as kind
Speaker 3: of the same, I think has given Donald Trump too
Speaker 3: much credit.
Speaker 1: Well, they're not. They're not the same. Yeah. I also
Speaker 1: think it's important to I mean, all of us are
Speaker 1: part of institutions, organizations, lives, communities, heritages, vestiges that were
Speaker 1: born out of really soiled beginnings that we have had
Speaker 1: to bend and break and in some cases rebuild to
Speaker 1: to to better fit a more humane condition that I
Speaker 1: think we if we were born with we're not how
Speaker 1: do you say vested with that? We had to fight
Speaker 1: back and sort of been to our wild over time.
Speaker 1: So I understand the historical piece of this, but that
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't see the brilliance. I don't see
Speaker 1: the smarts in this. I don't see you know, the
Speaker 1: Pope said he wasn't throwing shade because I ain't gonna
Speaker 1: put shade on the pope. But he basically said Donald
Speaker 1: Trump is not going to understand this because I'm not
Speaker 1: speaking in ways that he would understand, which.
Speaker 4: Is my way.
Speaker 1: It's very clear, right you're talking. And then J D Vance,
Speaker 1: who is I mean it says he's a and he's
Speaker 1: still online for Catholicism or.
Speaker 3: Did he just yet he became he became a Catholic
Speaker 3: in twenty nineteen if I'm not okay, So.
Speaker 4: Did you say online like is a fraternity?
Speaker 1: Well, I mean as transaction, so I have to have
Speaker 1: to meet him in come. But but but basically decided
Speaker 1: that he was going to chastise the Pope and inform
Speaker 1: him of how he should make sure that his comments
Speaker 1: are in line with church dictum and scripture. And I'm
Speaker 1: thinking you, okay, are going to school the Vicar of Christ,
Speaker 1: the Bishop of Rome, the leader worldwide of Catholicism, and
Speaker 1: what it means to base his critique in scripture. The
Speaker 1: same people who are part of a party who won't
Speaker 1: even walk in the light of their faith, they transact
Speaker 1: scriptures like they were putting on underwear. Today. We're going
Speaker 1: to hold fast to an eye for an eye, but
Speaker 1: we would do nothing for God bless the peacemakers right
Speaker 1: that they want to dismiss or what we're doing to
Speaker 1: the poor, the least of these that they will dismiss,
Speaker 1: but they'll grab fastly to the scripture that best you know,
Speaker 1: suits their current political situation. And all I just want
Speaker 1: to say is that our religious leaders, regardless of what
Speaker 1: faith you may have, are generally respected and are kind
Speaker 1: of left to their devices so long as they are
Speaker 1: spreading what might be known as goodwill. But this, I
Speaker 1: think this president has transgressed in a way that he's
Speaker 1: going to come to regret, especially we consider the Catholics
Speaker 1: are the ones that helped to keep him and put
Speaker 1: him in office, and now they're turning against him.
Speaker 3: I agree with that.
Speaker 2: I know we're not going to stay on this forever.
Speaker 2: I just I think you know, you said, the leader
Speaker 2: worldwide of Christianity or Catholicism, how did Christianity find itself
Speaker 2: worldwide at the tip of a spear?
Speaker 3: Most times?
Speaker 2: Right, like the adoption of That's true, adoption of Christianity
Speaker 2: has been incredibly violent. And we can have a soft
Speaker 2: voice Pope Leo who is from the South side of
Speaker 2: Chicago or the Chicago shoutout, who can kind of front
Speaker 2: for a soft introduction to Christianity to people across the world.
Speaker 2: But we know how Christianity got here in the first place.
Speaker 2: And Donald Trump looks like white American Christianity to me,
Speaker 2: but he.
Speaker 1: Could also be facilitating a different tradition of the church,
Speaker 1: one that sees because he's Yes, he's the South side Chicago.
Speaker 1: Yes he may present as a white American, but he
Speaker 1: spokes from Louisiana. Understand that they also have black roots.
Speaker 1: And I don't want to deny him that, But I'm
Speaker 1: also I'm also not going to sign him a history
Speaker 1: that he may or may not have embraced for himself.
Speaker 5: You know, what we might need to embrace this on
Speaker 5: the mini pod because we go along.
Speaker 1: That is, but you know what faith chands to do
Speaker 1: that to us.
Speaker 3: You are not going to rush you, ord I'm not
Speaker 3: going to rush this faith discussion.
Speaker 5: Well, I'm just saying, twenty minutes into the show, we got.
Speaker 1: Except one more thing we gotta do, Bekare, and that
Speaker 1: is I understand that preparations and plans are underway for
Speaker 1: potential change at the High Court.
Speaker 3: Man. That's the scariest thing that we're going to talk
Speaker 3: about today. People. The United States Senate is doing something
Speaker 3: that nobody's really talking about right now, but they are
Speaker 3: prepared to confirm Justice Alito's replacement before the midterm elections. Doc.
Speaker 3: People need to realize what month is this April, So
Speaker 3: that's me June, July, August, September, October. So in over
Speaker 3: the next six months, they plan on narrowing down, widowing down,
Speaker 3: making a choice, having the President nominate and then confirm
Speaker 3: a new justice. This is both good news and bad news.
Speaker 3: The bad news is it's going to transform the court
Speaker 3: for another twenty years. Right. The good news, though, Andrews,
Speaker 3: as what we talked about yesterday when we when I
Speaker 3: put this in the chat, is that that means that
Speaker 3: the Senate Republicans are scared that they may actually lose
Speaker 3: the Senate, which for me has always been weird. And
Speaker 3: it also brings me to a whole other thing. Shout
Speaker 3: out to James Tero Leco and all those guys were
Speaker 3: raising a lot of money.
Speaker 4: But let's focus on rat what's his name.
Speaker 3: Tero Rico, that's not his name. How you pronounce it, Man,
Speaker 3: I'm gonna put him over there with Hesga, clearly.
Speaker 4: Gonna do it. Jack up somebody last night.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but don't.
Speaker 3: You know what I'm talking about. Hey, if y'all don't
Speaker 3: start focusing on Ohio and North Carolina and focus on
Speaker 3: winning those and flipping those seats, then were chasing this
Speaker 3: fool's gold again. But back to the headline, y'all them courts,
Speaker 3: Some courts are important.
Speaker 1: It's funny, do you say Republicans who said Obama could
Speaker 1: not get a justice confirmed in a whole year plus
Speaker 1: and left in a term, and now they're going to
Speaker 1: move six months and put somebody in there. Joshua, I
Speaker 1: know you got thoughts on this because you be watching
Speaker 1: the numbers.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean Macari kind of touched on it. I
Speaker 2: think it's all kind of downhill from Trump's approval rating
Speaker 2: right now. I really believe if Trump's below forty percent
Speaker 2: on a generic ballot, then it won't take much for
Speaker 2: any Democratic candidate in North carol North Carolina, Wisconsin, Pennsylvania
Speaker 2: to achieve more than what their generic ballot would be,
Speaker 2: which would give us three seats. So I heard all
Speaker 2: of that and just thought, they think that we're going
Speaker 2: to win back the Senate.
Speaker 1: There it is Angela. Yes, we always to talk about
Speaker 1: the nation's capital as being the center of the universe,
Speaker 1: but things happen outside of Washington, d C. And you
Speaker 1: don't have to go far from the center of Washington
Speaker 1: to find real change happening.
Speaker 5: What do you got, absolutely, I just want to shout
Speaker 5: out our good brother and friend, the Mayor of Baltimore,
Speaker 5: who was also newly elected as the president of the
Speaker 5: African American Mayor's Association. He is chiming in with a
Speaker 5: video about the new record low homicide rate in Baltimore.
Speaker 4: It is the lowest in fifty years.
Speaker 5: There were one hundred and thirty three homicides in twenty
Speaker 5: twenty five, and the next lowest year is nineteen sixty
Speaker 5: five with one thirty one. So I want to roll
Speaker 5: this clip from Brandon from Mayor Scott.
Speaker 10: Peace, Native Lamdpartist. Mayor Brandon Scott from the Great City
Speaker 10: of Baltimore, just wanted to update you all on where
Speaker 10: we're staying with our public safety progress in Baltimore, and
Speaker 10: the truth is that we're continuing the historic progress we've
Speaker 10: made over these past few years. Over the last five years,
Speaker 10: homicides and shootings and fell in Baltimore by sixty percent.
Speaker 10: Homicides felt by plus thirty percent last year, setting a
Speaker 10: fifty years low one hundred and thirty three homicides, and
Speaker 10: right now today through this point in April, we are
Speaker 10: on pace to beat those numbers from last year, and
Speaker 10: when they do it in a comprehensive way with CBI
Speaker 10: Community Violence Intervention, having our police officers focus on guns,
Speaker 10: the gun traffickers, and the very few people that are
Speaker 10: committing violence in our city and making sure that we're
Speaker 10: investing in our community because it's not just shootings and homicides.
Speaker 10: Robberies are down fourteen percent in Baltimore, carjackings are down forty.
Speaker 3: Percent in Baltimore.
Speaker 10: Burglaries are down, and the comprehensive way that we are
Speaker 10: attacking this disease of gun violence is something that we're
Speaker 10: going to continue to do.
Speaker 1: Peace.
Speaker 5: Thank you so much Brandon for sending that video in,
Speaker 5: and we do congratulate you on all of the luring
Speaker 5: of the crime rates. One thing that he texted to
Speaker 5: me that I think is important to mention is he says,
Speaker 5: in two thousand and five, under then Mayor O'Malley, the
Speaker 5: city had two hundred and sixty nine homicides and arrested
Speaker 5: more than ninety three thousand people. Under Brandon, in twenty
Speaker 5: twenty five, again one hundred and thirty three homicides with
Speaker 5: seventeen thousand arrests, significantly fewer arrests and less homicides. So
Speaker 5: thank you all so much. To Darth Vader, who's breathing
Speaker 5: in the microphone, shout out to you. You have the
Speaker 5: floor back. I think that's Andrew.
Speaker 1: No. I wish I'm floored. I'm floord at those numbers.
Speaker 1: I mean, reference O'Malley's arrest numbers one more time, and
Speaker 1: then Brandon's fleet, I mean Mayor Scott's.
Speaker 5: Oh okay, let me go back to my screen again.
Speaker 5: So O'Malley two hundred and sixty nine homicides. This was
Speaker 5: in two thousand and five with ninety three thousand arrests.
Speaker 5: That's pretty substantial compared to the number of homicides and
Speaker 5: then one hundred and thirty three homicides under Brandon with
Speaker 5: seventeen thousand arrests.
Speaker 1: Josh for you know the numbers, but that's like an
Speaker 1: eighty percent or circ increase. And the arrest I mean,
Speaker 1: that's incredible. I got to tell you, as a mayor
Speaker 1: who focused also on reducing crime when I was the
Speaker 1: mayor of the city, tallhasse that stuff is not hard.
Speaker 1: I mean it's not easy. It's painstaking work. It is
Speaker 1: you know, the time commitment and you scratching your head
Speaker 1: and turning over the plan and writing a new one
Speaker 1: and adjusting and trying to convince yourself to stay with it,
Speaker 1: stay with it, give it time, let it breathe. While
Speaker 1: the papers right edatorials left and right about what you
Speaker 1: aren't or are not doing, or right or wrong. I
Speaker 1: just want to salute the mayor because that's real work.
Speaker 1: I know he doesn't do it by himself, but it
Speaker 1: certainly starts with leadership. So hats off to you and
Speaker 1: your community colleagues who work with you to make that happen.
Speaker 2: Can I just say real quick too, not only is
Speaker 2: he not doing it by himself, he's doing it under
Speaker 2: a Trump administration, a federal government that's going to be
Speaker 2: taking away the things that help reduce that's filing crime, right, Like,
Speaker 2: the social and economic determinants of crime have im proven
Speaker 2: when you take away snap benefits and Medicare and medicaid like,
Speaker 2: crime rates usually go up. So his declining crime rate
Speaker 2: during this time period is twice as impressive.
Speaker 3: That's very trop I mean, let's let's be clear, so
Speaker 3: people want to know. I mean it's not you don't
Speaker 3: just reduce crime by you know, blinking twice or saying
Speaker 3: you're gonna do it right or you know. It's it's
Speaker 3: the holistic approach that he's taking to reducing crime. It's
Speaker 3: making sure you have summer work programs. It's making sure
Speaker 3: that you have after school programs. It's making sure you
Speaker 3: have things like midnight basketball. It's making sure that you
Speaker 3: have things like job opportunities for people. Because when people
Speaker 3: are broke, they commit crime, right, I mean, they gonna
Speaker 3: make them and meet. You just don't want them to
Speaker 3: meet in your house, right, And so it's all the
Speaker 3: things that he's doing that we have been talking about
Speaker 3: so long, and he's doing it in collaboration. I love
Speaker 3: how josh pointed out the fact that he's doing it
Speaker 3: without the cooperation of Donald Trump. But he is doing
Speaker 3: it with the cooperation of somebody in Annapolis and Wes
Speaker 3: Moore who is putting in place, and they're working as
Speaker 3: a tandem. Because for a long period of time, you know,
Speaker 3: the folk on Fox News would always use Baltimore as
Speaker 3: this bastion of white hyper criminality. Right, you black folks
Speaker 3: can't get right. It's a blue city, blah blah blah,
Speaker 3: blah blah. And then now we're seeing this and they
Speaker 3: acquiet as a church mouse pissing on cotton, and you
Speaker 3: can't hear them say nothing about the good work that
Speaker 3: Brandon is doing. So thank you for lifting them up,
Speaker 3: Madam Angela.
Speaker 1: I try here here, I keep referencing Joshua in the numbers.
Speaker 1: I hope I said in his intro that he's also
Speaker 1: on the leadership team there at at Hitch Strategies, which
Speaker 1: many of us know as a leading polar polling firm
Speaker 1: surfacing all communities. But to say, with particular note polling
Speaker 1: blacks and getting pretty accurate, dead on target numbers around
Speaker 1: how we're feeling, what we're thinking, how we're voting, what
Speaker 1: excites us and what doesn't excite us. So, Brandon, I
Speaker 1: know we've got a topic from you coming up. Will
Speaker 1: you be able to dig in and envelop some of
Speaker 1: that for our listeners. But before we get there, I understand,
Speaker 1: h Angela, I think it is nocar. I'm sorry that
Speaker 1: that the Department of Justice. Uh, since the ousting of
Speaker 1: Pam Mula Bandi still hasn't changed the stripes. It's still
Speaker 1: doing some real racist throwback stuff. Yeah.
Speaker 3: I mean, but the racism they're doing is is kind
Speaker 3: of okay by me because they're not hiding it. I
Speaker 3: like my race. I like my racist to be out
Speaker 3: front over don't be no crent races. I want you
Speaker 3: to be loud with it. So Todd blanche and and
Speaker 3: the boys over there at the Justice Department, they've decided
Speaker 3: that they're going to vacate the seditious conspiracy convictions of
Speaker 3: the Oath Keepers and Proud Boys in major January sixth cases.
Speaker 3: I don't know if you all truly understand, Like, I
Speaker 3: have a theory about this that I'll just share with
Speaker 3: you quickly, like the top line of it. But America's
Speaker 3: always had a problem, and we ended up here because
Speaker 3: we never punished the Confederates right and after the Civil
Speaker 3: War we let traders roam free without any punishment. Then
Speaker 3: you know they do Jim Crow right. Then you know
Speaker 3: they are January sixth. Now they're in the White House.
Speaker 3: And I just say that we've never punished Confederates and
Speaker 3: we still ain't doing it today. And the January sixth
Speaker 3: rioters are some of the most treasonous, traitorous people that
Speaker 3: we've ever seen walk the face of the earth.
Speaker 1: That's rue.
Speaker 5: I think we should roll this footage since Nick requires
Speaker 5: a throw.
Speaker 3: It's for Wearing's advice.
Speaker 1: There's probably about three hundred Proud Voice their marching eastbound
Speaker 1: in this corner.
Speaker 5: For those of you listening, we're just reviewing the footage
Speaker 5: that was shown to the January sixth Special Committee. You're
Speaker 5: watching Proud Boys, oathkeepers and others march towards the capital
Speaker 5: before they take it over. And we've seen this, you know,
Speaker 5: a gazillion times before, so we don't have to rehash
Speaker 5: all of it. But we thought it was important to
Speaker 5: remind you of what they were accused of doing.
Speaker 4: What we can see with our own eyes.
Speaker 5: Exactly, so we know that this is ridiculous that they
Speaker 5: would even consider throwing out these charges.
Speaker 4: Also, there's that I think you can go ahead and
Speaker 4: cut it in, you can take it that.
Speaker 3: But you know, the one one quick thing is like,
Speaker 3: you can't tell me that there was no element of
Speaker 3: racism involved in January sixth when people were literally running
Speaker 3: through the Capitol with the Confederate flag. And the second
Speaker 3: thing is they were beaten cops asses like they were
Speaker 3: literally hauling off back the blue, That's exactly. And so
Speaker 3: I for me, it's just this is a fascinating kind
Speaker 3: of upside down that we live in, right. I mean,
Speaker 3: it's just a weird whether or not we're talking about
Speaker 3: the GOP being God's only party and not doing anything
Speaker 3: god like, or the GOP backing the blue and then
Speaker 3: partning everybody that was out there beating their ass, Like,
Speaker 3: I don't know what world we're living now.
Speaker 2: The subservice is always to white supremacy, to perpetuating the
Speaker 2: mantle white supremacy. That's why eighty eight percent of white
Speaker 2: Evangelic culture Christians voted against Reverend Rafael Warnock. Right, That's
Speaker 2: why eighty eight percent of white Evangelical Christians voted against
Speaker 2: the pastor of Martin Luther King's Church, because it wasn't
Speaker 2: about their politics. It wasn't even about Christianity. It was
Speaker 2: about who was going to perpetuate the mantle of white supremacy.
Speaker 2: And we see the same here with how they are
Speaker 2: willing to let cop beaters and such off the hook.
Speaker 1: And as we learned at what points what made y'all actually,
Speaker 1: y'all got a lot of bars in these past couple
Speaker 1: of topics. Y'all need some shirts and stuff?
Speaker 3: Yeah, ok, what I got on? Lik at my shirt.
Speaker 1: We don't negotiate with races there it is. I hope,
Speaker 1: I hope you getting the proceeds. But but as established
Speaker 1: through the January sixth Commission, we have to remember what
Speaker 1: the strategic role the Proud Boys had in the planning
Speaker 1: and the preparation and the execution of what occurred on
Speaker 1: January sixth. They were the paramilitary force. They were the
Speaker 1: tip of the spear that was intended to go in
Speaker 1: create as much havoc violence level whatever opposition stood in
Speaker 1: their way to include the blue the law enforcement officials
Speaker 1: and the Capitol police, who were the only thing between
Speaker 1: them and them killing or capturing members of Congress of
Speaker 1: the United States, Senate, the Vice President of the United States.
Speaker 1: They were there strategically for the purpose of playing the
Speaker 1: playing the role of the of the of of of
Speaker 1: of the force. They were the force, uh to to
Speaker 1: to make that mission be a successful as it was.
Speaker 1: And to see this administration again going to great lengths
Speaker 1: to be apologists for the white supremacy, supremacy that they've
Speaker 1: ushered in. And I got to tell you, you got
Speaker 1: to check out this New Yorker article about Nick Quintez
Speaker 1: and his whole crew, because if we think this is
Speaker 1: age appropriated and not deeply ingrained in the body of
Speaker 1: these people, such that young people, kids, eighteen year olds,
Speaker 1: sixteen year olds, fourteen year olds are taking on these
Speaker 1: ideas in this romanticized view of what America once was,
Speaker 1: and they refer to themselves as the natives, the natives
Speaker 1: of his land. I mean, it's incredible, but the urgency
Speaker 1: by which they are moving against us, and I say
Speaker 1: us us, but also us democracy America is mind boggling. Joshua,
Speaker 1: I'd love for you to carry us into what I
Speaker 1: hope isn't a transgressing of our brothers their direction. But
Speaker 1: share with us some illuminating points that you've learned around
Speaker 1: satisfaction with the Trump administration from potentially some black.
Speaker 2: Yeah, not the best news, but Hit Strategies conducted a
Speaker 2: poll and found that seventeen percent of Black men under
Speaker 2: the age of fifty actually say that they feel like
Speaker 2: Donald Trump's policies have helped them personally. Now, one thing
Speaker 2: I want to acknowledge is we are talking about a
Speaker 2: smaller percentage of black folks. Right, We're not just talking
Speaker 2: about seventeen percent of Black people as a whole. We're
Speaker 2: talking about black I'm sorry, those black men under fifty.
Speaker 2: So it is a small percentage of the electorate, but
Speaker 2: it's still an alarming percent that do not see Donald
Speaker 2: Trump as hurting them.
Speaker 1: That's incredible. And what do we know about what they
Speaker 1: consider to be helpful to them personally?
Speaker 3: Is this taxes?
Speaker 1: Is this immigration policy?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 2: You know, I think this goes back to what to
Speaker 2: Angela's point, where you know, we're talking about things like
Speaker 2: that are happening in these cities in Baltimore and Chicago
Speaker 2: investment into the community violence intervention programs interrupted programs that
Speaker 2: are actually paying dividends. I think one of the things
Speaker 2: that hit we want to go into is do people
Speaker 2: actually see the delineation between things that are happening in
Speaker 2: their life that are coming from their uh, their mayor
Speaker 2: Brandon Johnson's of the world, or you know, are they
Speaker 2: attributing some of those things to President Trump? But I
Speaker 2: also think that this is probably just a also a
Speaker 2: big few to the to the Democratic Party. I think
Speaker 2: the party has a branding issue and young black men
Speaker 2: are looking to go somewhere else, and we need to
Speaker 2: address it the parties.
Speaker 3: That's the question I got.
Speaker 6: Like, but.
Speaker 3: Where they live, Like they go to South Dakota.
Speaker 5: You know some of them, though, y'all are influenced by
Speaker 5: people who are paid operatives of the Republican Party in Maga.
Speaker 5: I think that what you're going to start to see
Speaker 5: a lot more of are the ways in which the
Speaker 5: people have been influenced by people who are paid to
Speaker 5: tell them something. So there was a video that dropped
Speaker 5: last week from one of Elon Musk's baby Mama's about
Speaker 5: how the Republican Party goes on and gets like lifestyle
Speaker 5: influencers and pays them. There's another guy cannot think of
Speaker 5: his name. It's like Dom Luker or something.
Speaker 3: D you see actually black? Oh shit, I don't know,
Speaker 3: but I I know, but I just saw that. No, no, no,
Speaker 3: I saw that to be his abby. I didn't know.
Speaker 4: No, no. He's been on air at Fox now.
Speaker 5: Could he have appeared on air on Fox's AI perhaps,
Speaker 5: But like he's literally getting dragged right now by people
Speaker 5: who are.
Speaker 4: Talking about how much money he gets paid per post.
Speaker 5: Like he gets paid like six thousand dollars for a retweet,
Speaker 5: fifteen thousand dollars for an original post, et cetera. So
Speaker 5: he's been getting amplified on Twitter. He shows how much
Speaker 5: money he's made on Twitter in a last year. That's
Speaker 5: almost three hundred thousand dollars just engaging in this way. Yeah,
Speaker 5: we need to really pull that stuff. But my point
Speaker 5: in saying that is there are people who think they
Speaker 5: are being influenced by freethinkers when free thinkers are in
Speaker 5: fact paid actors, right and not disclosing that they are
Speaker 5: paid influencers. Because you can circumvent the rules if the
Speaker 5: campaign pays a strategy firm, and then the strategy firm
Speaker 5: pays these people as subcontractors, they don't have to disclose
Speaker 5: it in a certain way. I hope the law changes
Speaker 5: around that, but for now we know that Twitter is
Speaker 5: you know, an abyss welling.
Speaker 1: Your your hometown, Joshua. There were I think there were
Speaker 1: municipal races where they had discovered that these influencers, who
Speaker 1: many of which were coming from outside of the city
Speaker 1: of Chicago, posting not pro ads for a candidate they
Speaker 1: support it, but just doing teardowns, just doing negative advertisements
Speaker 1: against UH challengers for candidates for a particular office. And
Speaker 1: when these folks were followed up with by the mainstream press,
Speaker 1: they started distancing themselves. I didn't know what this I
Speaker 1: didn't know what this was, D D D. I wasn't No,
Speaker 1: I don't know her personally, No, I haven't followed her politics,
Speaker 1: so on and so forth. So I thought, I just
Speaker 1: thought that transparency, that layer of local transparency to help,
Speaker 1: you know, fish some of these people out, was really helpful.
Speaker 1: But we got to recognize that this tactic is not
Speaker 1: just one that's being implored sort of UH in a
Speaker 1: worldly way or geographically nationally but it's seeping into local races,
Speaker 1: these school board races where the writer is fighting hard
Speaker 1: to take over you know, education policy. They can ban
Speaker 1: more books and and ban educating of black history. But
Speaker 1: but that this thing is showing up on every single
Speaker 1: part of the turf. As we transition to our main topic,
Speaker 1: I just wanted to throw one more in here, and
Speaker 1: that is that we've got one of the scions the
Speaker 1: leaders on the on the left, Congresswoman Ilhan Omar, who
Speaker 1: is making a really interesting argument uh to uh, to democrats,
Speaker 1: to progressives, of those who are trying to build an
Speaker 1: anti Trump coalition, And I'm interested to hear what y'all
Speaker 1: think on the other side of these comments.
Speaker 11: I was reading an article today about your comments on
Speaker 11: a major Marjorie Telegreen and the fact that we should
Speaker 11: have empathy for people like her who've realized all this stuff. Right,
Speaker 11: why do you get to that point, Like, why not
Speaker 11: just like leave her where she is and let her
Speaker 11: do what she thinks she's doing.
Speaker 12: Oh, I'm good to leave her where she is, let
Speaker 12: me do what she's doing. I guess why, Yeah, No,
Speaker 12: I mean my point is this, if you were let
Speaker 12: stray and you are adult enough, honest enough to say
Speaker 12: I was wrong into believing that this was the right
Speaker 12: direction for our country. And I want to join you
Speaker 12: all because I now understand that you had it right.
Speaker 4: I'm like, welcome, right.
Speaker 12: I'm glad you finally got here because we believe that
Speaker 12: we are on the right side of history. Now, am
Speaker 12: I gonna be key keying with her?
Speaker 7: No?
Speaker 1: So when you're when you're calling for Democrats to show
Speaker 1: grace to former Trump supporters, what is grace?
Speaker 12: I am not. Okay, No, it's not the Trump supporters.
Speaker 12: That's not what I'm saying. I'm saying if you had
Speaker 12: a change of heart in regards to power.
Speaker 1: What if you're a Trump supporter who had a change
Speaker 1: of heart.
Speaker 12: Policy Okay, not, you know. I mean if your list
Speaker 12: chainey and you're like, I'm not voting for Trump, but
Speaker 12: I will, I'll vote for Harris. But you still hold
Speaker 12: right the all of your policy views, the aligned with Trump.
Speaker 12: That means that means nothing to me.
Speaker 4: I don't So what about.
Speaker 3: Former Trump supporters like the Marjorie Tailor Green.
Speaker 12: But if you were marginally tailed Green and you say,
Speaker 12: this man is taking us to wars that will destroy
Speaker 12: us and our resources in the future of our children.
Speaker 12: That is a policy position I have, Untie Woo, What.
Speaker 3: Does grace look like without letting those people off the hook.
Speaker 12: Grace looks like saying I agree when they make a
Speaker 12: policy point of view. Grace looks like not dismissing when
Speaker 12: somebody wants to join your coalition, not just as a
Speaker 12: voting block, but as an advocate for the policies that
Speaker 12: you believe will create a better world for all of us.
Speaker 5: Can I just say I appreciate Iohans grace, But I'm
Speaker 5: a scorpio, so my memory is long. So I just
Speaker 5: want to refresh everyone's recollection on why Marjorie Taylor Green
Speaker 5: will always be a.
Speaker 4: Beach blonde badfield. Butch body please roll the clip.
Speaker 8: The form of the resolution is as follows recognized censuring
Speaker 8: Representative Ilhan Omar of Somali, I mean, Minnesota cut.
Speaker 5: That's all we need to see. Raggedy broad Wow. Now
Speaker 5: I wanted to play that because she wasn't just offensive
Speaker 5: to Ilhan as she sought her censure for God only
Speaker 5: knows what reason. She wasn't just offensive when she said
Speaker 5: that she needed to be packing in the halls of
Speaker 5: Congress because she didn't trust terrorists quote unquote terrorists like
Speaker 5: Ilhan Omar and others of her colleagues who she was.
Speaker 5: She was always on the squad's ass. She wasn't just
Speaker 5: problematic when she was in congressional hearing rooms, the Oversight Committee,
Speaker 5: in particular, where she said to Jasmine Crockett she can't
Speaker 5: hear her over her eyelashes, which is where beach blonde
Speaker 5: bad built. Sorry, butch body came from. She did not
Speaker 5: have a Freudian slip on the House floor when she
Speaker 5: said Ilhan Omar from Somalia, I mean Minnesota.
Speaker 4: That was with intention, and so.
Speaker 5: I appreciate the moral convenience that she now has of
Speaker 5: calling out Donald Trump. But you don't even have a
Speaker 5: vote in the House of Representatives anymore.
Speaker 4: So what good is that? What good is that? What
Speaker 4: are you actually doing?
Speaker 3: Did she meet herself?
Speaker 1: You mute yourself?
Speaker 5: Oh, I'm sorry, I was so mad. I didn't hit
Speaker 5: the mic. I was saying, I don't know, Look at okay,
Speaker 5: I would yield that if you really think that that's good.
Speaker 4: But I just will just say I will just say that.
Speaker 5: She's saying, well, if you agree on Ilhan says, if
Speaker 5: you agree with us on policy.
Speaker 4: Now, then we got some road to go.
Speaker 5: But the problem with the policy coalition that now sees
Speaker 5: the light, the policy coalition needs to still have a
Speaker 5: vote in Congress, and she has resigned, so that is
Speaker 5: of no use to us. You are of no, you're
Speaker 5: not even a transactional use to us. Again, as the
Speaker 5: Congressional Black Caucuss always says, no permanent friends, no permanent enemies, No,
Speaker 5: just permanent interests. We don't even have a permanent interest
Speaker 5: because there's nothing you can do but be on Twitter
Speaker 5: yapping all day, which is all she does.
Speaker 3: That's so I do that. I mean, I just think
Speaker 3: it's permanent. And that's what I was going to say. Elections.
Speaker 3: Elections are about multiplication and addition.
Speaker 5: She still don't want y'all to have Medicare, Medicare, any
Speaker 5: type of Obamacare. She still don't want people on snap benefits.
Speaker 5: She still wants people deported, even if they are legally
Speaker 5: in the United States.
Speaker 4: Where where is the interest?
Speaker 5: Is the interest just in Iran is just about.
Speaker 2: Does she have to have interest in all of that?
Speaker 2: I hear, look, and I hear what you say, Like
Speaker 2: I think we all we all feel that same when
Speaker 2: I hang out with her.
Speaker 3: But like, does she have to have.
Speaker 2: To destabilize portions of the Republican base that will allow
Speaker 2: us to get back power at the midterms. I just think,
Speaker 2: like Blackfoot, we have we have too much to lose
Speaker 2: to not be strategic in moments like this. In my opinion,
Speaker 2: I don't have no empathy for Marjorie Taylor Green.
Speaker 13: I have strategy.
Speaker 3: I have strategy.
Speaker 2: Because our kids depend on us to be strategic over emotional,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. And so that's kind of
Speaker 2: where I.
Speaker 3: Sit with it.
Speaker 4: I think I just talked about permanent interest.
Speaker 5: But I guess what I would love for you all
Speaker 5: to answer, since you all still see some earthly good
Speaker 5: in his broad Please tell me what the interest is
Speaker 5: that she's accomplishing. Andrew, I heard you say defeating Donald Trump.
Speaker 5: She's gonna defeat Donald Trump with hot Twitter fingers.
Speaker 3: Where do you see her?
Speaker 1: No? No, no, let me let me ask you this.
Speaker 4: Let me ask you. Do y'all see her at a
Speaker 4: rally campaigning for John Austin.
Speaker 1: Let me tell you I don't need her to do that.
Speaker 1: We don't need her to induce, don't we don't want
Speaker 1: we don't want that what we need her to do
Speaker 1: is to remind these people who's similar to her. And
Speaker 1: I have to tell you, I do doubt how bamboozoo
Speaker 1: she was. I'm not convinced that this was a bamboozooing, right.
Speaker 1: I think there were some inconvenient disagreements that may have
Speaker 1: put her on the outs that then were in furtherance
Speaker 1: of her going on the outs. For instance, indicating to
Speaker 1: Trump and his advisors that she wanted to run for governor,
Speaker 1: Trump responding, no, you do not want to run for governor,
Speaker 1: and you will not run for governor of the state
Speaker 1: of Georgia, and her feeling some type of way about
Speaker 1: the man she's been so loyal to deciding to turn
Speaker 1: his back on her, and the timing being such that
Speaker 1: her retirement coincided with her being vested with congressional retirement
Speaker 1: benefits because she just met the threshold the day before
Speaker 1: she decided to resign from Congress. So I think there's
Speaker 1: some convenience built in there. But this is where I
Speaker 1: think her additive value is. It is in that there
Speaker 1: are people who are similar to her, adjacent to her,
Speaker 1: who say they felt that Trump was going to carry
Speaker 1: the banner of not compassion for immigrants, but getting them
Speaker 1: out of this country. I didn't want to see brutality
Speaker 1: on my television station. I wanted to see them loaded
Speaker 1: on planes and flown out of here. It is. I
Speaker 1: expected to see America first, and that's not what we
Speaker 1: got because he's an international list and it's taken US
Speaker 1: dollars and spending them elsewhere. So she can go out
Speaker 1: and carry a message that she's she's deeply steeped in
Speaker 1: that she has credibility on with people who we need
Speaker 1: credible messages to be in front of to do one thing.
Speaker 1: As far as I'm concerned, because I don't think they
Speaker 1: can be counted on to vote for Democrats. But those
Speaker 1: who do have got, you know, go forth and do
Speaker 1: great things. I think they can be counted on to stay.
Speaker 1: Destabilize them, to sit it out.
Speaker 3: Yes, that's yeah. I think to say, I'm in the base,
Speaker 3: we got a week in the base. I mean you
Speaker 3: gotta and I gotta remember we come up to seven
Speaker 3: that's seventy five million votes. I mean, if you can,
Speaker 3: if you can weaken them, get them disenchanted, stay home,
Speaker 3: those type of things, get that number back down to
Speaker 3: reasonable sixty nine you know, seventy you win, you win
Speaker 3: a presidency.
Speaker 1: All of our minds will grown over Trump winning in
Speaker 1: sixteen because we did not expect the light turn out
Speaker 1: to be supercharged, and he's supercharged at basi of white
Speaker 1: voters who did not show up before, who all of
Speaker 1: a sudden showed up at the polls.
Speaker 2: Non college educated white verse, which is what Marjorie Taylor
Speaker 2: Greens holds, influences white non college educated voters that didn't
Speaker 2: participate in politics, and now they do, and they may
Speaker 2: be feeling a little politically homeless. As you said, all
Speaker 2: we need to do is just to stabilize them.
Speaker 4: I guess it's hard for me to.
Speaker 5: Argue for like to encourage, to encourage people to stay home.
Speaker 5: I would rather people be informed and do the right thing.
Speaker 5: And I think what's frustrating to me in this particular
Speaker 5: moment is if you put like do a pros and
Speaker 5: cons list, and Marjorie Taylor Green's pros and consless was
Speaker 5: right here on the policy she supports.
Speaker 4: She is ninety nine point eight percent aligned.
Speaker 5: With the GOP that is still MAGA based, and so
Speaker 5: I just don't trust that she is is actually going
Speaker 5: to do the work of our interests that y'all are
Speaker 5: hoping she does.
Speaker 1: She's not going to advance our interests.
Speaker 5: I'm no exactly, but I don't think that she's even
Speaker 5: going to be that helpful. I think her points are
Speaker 5: strictly on Iran and Israel. I think that those are
Speaker 5: the only places where she is really hitting Trump, and
Speaker 5: then on her Christianity since she also hit him about
Speaker 5: what he said on Easter, which was still related to
Speaker 5: the war and what he's doing around Jesus.
Speaker 1: So I guess she has credibility in that. But in
Speaker 1: every headline of from Fox.
Speaker 4: News US, it.
Speaker 1: Gets us in the ears of people who like her,
Speaker 1: believed in him, who are now being told by somebody
Speaker 1: that they trust that he is not what we thought
Speaker 1: we were getting. He is.
Speaker 4: He's not on the ballot for midterms.
Speaker 5: What is she getting us about it?
Speaker 4: No, he's not. I probably I think I've been all
Speaker 4: y'all five dollars, I got.
Speaker 1: Five And the reason we are by thirty points and
Speaker 1: congressional districts where we were blown out by Trump, it's
Speaker 1: not because his name was on the ballot. It's because
Speaker 1: the Republican is on the ballot.
Speaker 5: Where she stands with them. I bet you she is
Speaker 5: not going to be out here throwing at the Republicans
Speaker 5: under I think.
Speaker 1: I think we have to put this in its proper context.
Speaker 1: We are not looking for a new ally, We are
Speaker 1: not looking for her to be a friend. She is
Speaker 1: not somebody that we're going to break bread with, say
Speaker 1: prayers together with, because we're not going to pray for
Speaker 1: the same things as we fold our hands. If there
Speaker 1: is a God in her prayer, I don't know. So
Speaker 1: all I'm saying is is that those are not That's
Speaker 1: not where I'm placing my house. That is unsteady ground,
Speaker 1: the ground that I want her to play on. It
Speaker 1: don't have to include me or any candidate I support.
Speaker 1: It just needs to be to her people, to their people,
Speaker 1: who need to be reminded that they've been bembooz.
Speaker 3: Oh quote quote quote. I don't know.
Speaker 1: I don't really know. But if they believe it enough
Speaker 1: that they say, there's no sense in going back out
Speaker 1: and putting these people back in office because they're not
Speaker 1: going to do what they promised us in the first place.
Speaker 1: And I hear your point, Angela about not wanting to
Speaker 1: have people sit home, But we're talking about elections here,
Speaker 1: they not only want us not to not sit home,
Speaker 1: we go out and vote, and then they still want
Speaker 1: to take our shit away. They want to steal our stuff.
Speaker 4: But I don't want to stay like them.
Speaker 1: No, we're not being like them. We're saying, you know what,
Speaker 1: if you can't go in there and do the right thing,
Speaker 1: then sit your ass at home. If you can't go
Speaker 1: in there and vote for the Democrat who will advance
Speaker 1: your interests, whether you know it or not, then don't
Speaker 1: go in there and muck it up for the rest
Speaker 1: of us.
Speaker 2: I do agree with Angela in the sense of, like,
Speaker 2: even in having this conversation, there is a part of me.
Speaker 2: Maybe it's an older version of me that is uncomfortable
Speaker 2: like publicly talking about a strategy demobilize voters and so.
Speaker 1: Like they're doing the demobile.
Speaker 2: Agree with you. I just want to like make space
Speaker 2: for what Angela is saying, Like I hate that, I
Speaker 2: hate that I'm here.
Speaker 1: I don't like being here, you know.
Speaker 2: I think it is just out of my like my
Speaker 2: deep longing to undo some of the damage that Donald
Speaker 2: Trump's dunt our communities that I can say something like
Speaker 2: that on the Native Land podcast. So I hear you, Angela,
Speaker 2: on that.
Speaker 4: I hear what you're saying too.
Speaker 5: I think that's fair, And you know, I wish that
Speaker 5: we again, maybe this should have been a mini pod
Speaker 5: topic too, but I wish that we we're at a
Speaker 5: place where it's like every vote counts, you have the
Speaker 5: right to have your vote counted, and while where I'm
Speaker 5: arguing that for you, you're working actively, as Andrew just said,
Speaker 5: to keep us in a position where we can't even
Speaker 5: get an ID, we can't even prove that we're citizens,
Speaker 5: can't even prove that this is our last name, and
Speaker 5: they have the save Acts on the Senate floor, you know,
Speaker 5: wavering like that's so that I understand exactly what you're saying.
Speaker 5: But to me, I never want to embody the type
Speaker 5: of power that has oppressed us in so many other
Speaker 5: people for so long. I want us to, you know,
Speaker 5: embody it different type of power, the one that's rooted
Speaker 5: in love.
Speaker 1: The differences, Angela is they have agency and deciding whether
Speaker 1: they want to go to the polls or not. It
Speaker 1: is not a system operating to suppress their vote. It
Speaker 1: is that they have made the decision that this isn't
Speaker 1: working out for me. These candidates who I have traditionally supported,
Speaker 1: and I will not, over my dead body vote for
Speaker 1: a Democrat. I'm going to choose to sit this up.
Speaker 1: By the way, I will tell you, if we were
Speaker 1: dealing with a more sophisticated voter base, I would say
Speaker 1: what I have done before. I have gone to the polls,
Speaker 1: I have gotten my ballot, I have signed my name,
Speaker 1: and then I pushed through that machine a ballot with
Speaker 1: no vote, no choice, and the race that I that
Speaker 1: I was allowed to vote in on that particular ballot.
Speaker 1: And that's because I didn't want to mess up my
Speaker 1: voting record of having perfect attendants and going in voting
Speaker 1: and being part of that process simply because I didn't
Speaker 1: like the choices that I had in the particular race.
Speaker 1: It's almost the same equivalent you will have me on
Speaker 1: the polls is having gone and voted, but I will
Speaker 1: not have made a single choice in the race which
Speaker 1: I was able to choose. And by the way, that's
Speaker 1: legal in the process.
Speaker 3: Andrew Gillen would have been a great choice for mayor
Speaker 3: of Tallahasse. You should have cast a ballot for Shut that.
Speaker 1: Hell up, guys. We are moving this movingly before over
Speaker 1: to our topic that we wanted to spend just a
Speaker 1: little bit of time on, and and that is we've
Speaker 1: seen in the last uh several uh this last week,
Speaker 1: if you will, at least in one case, and that's
Speaker 1: Eric Swallwell, the Congressman from northern California who announced his
Speaker 1: resignation from the United States Congress.
Speaker 13: Nobody knows.
Speaker 1: In the other instance, Tony Gonzalez for months, the representative
Speaker 1: from from Southern Texas, who had admitted to having had
Speaker 1: an affair with his assistant who worked on his staff,
Speaker 1: an assistant who later went on to die by suicide.
Speaker 1: His case had been out there.
Speaker 3: For at the next sentence, because I think that deserves
Speaker 3: some context. She died by suicide by setting herself on fire.
Speaker 1: True statement, but mister Gonzales was not, however, up to
Speaker 1: this point, urged on by the Republican leadership to vacate
Speaker 1: his seat, despite the fact that the allegations levied against
Speaker 1: him were similar in some instances to to Aris Walwell.
Speaker 1: There is, of course the instance of Corey Mills, Republican
Speaker 1: from Florida, who has domestic violence open incidences that are
Speaker 1: recorded against him down and down in Florida, and has
Speaker 1: been under pressure and is now under ethics investigation by
Speaker 1: the Ethics Commission Committee of the of the United States Congress,
Speaker 1: and tangential to this uh And I would say it's
Speaker 1: only tangential to to to these instances of of of
Speaker 1: sexual abuse allegations in the sense that Sheila uh Scherfhalis McCormick,
Speaker 1: who is a Democrat from the state of Florida, my area,
Speaker 1: who actually took the seat vacated in the untimely passing
Speaker 1: of al Sie Hastings who held that seat prior to her,
Speaker 1: but as a member of Congress, and is accused of
Speaker 1: having stole five million dollars a few disaster funds and
Speaker 1: made hundreds I understand up to this point documented campaign
Speaker 1: finance mistakes or fraud claims in her reports. The reason
Speaker 1: why I say she's tangential to this is because it
Speaker 1: appears that the only way you can get the Republican
Speaker 1: leadership in Congress to move one of these bad players
Speaker 1: out of the Congress is if you can take down
Speaker 1: a Democrat at the same time as they lose a Republican.
Speaker 1: And this point has been made well by many members
Speaker 1: of Congress, but in the case of Eric Swalwell where
Speaker 1: these cases of now five at the time of our recording,
Speaker 1: claims of sexual abuse and rape allegations have been made
Speaker 1: against him. We've seen in some of the news coverage
Speaker 1: the comment being sort of very you know, sort of uh.
Speaker 1: I think you're responsibly thrown out that this has been
Speaker 1: a bad kept open secret uh in Washington for some time.
Speaker 1: His behavior and it really, I think, alarmed a number
Speaker 1: of us and causes us to ask the question. And
Speaker 1: I think it's manifold sys the questions of of what
Speaker 1: what is the dynamic of a relationship between a boss
Speaker 1: and a subordinate right and dealing with folks or having
Speaker 1: an affair with people who are on your staff or
Speaker 1: ledged to what's the dynamic of of people in power
Speaker 1: in the rape culture that tends to and I think
Speaker 1: in some cases engulf them. And then I think there
Speaker 1: is the the the question around how we as a
Speaker 1: society deal with these allegations. And before there is process, yes,
Speaker 1: there is conclusion and an action on the conclusions that
Speaker 1: we draw. And I have particular issue with this which
Speaker 1: I love to get into after I hear from my
Speaker 1: colleagues here. But y'all, I know I didn't completely lay
Speaker 1: all of it out. But I think enough is there
Speaker 1: for us to describe.
Speaker 5: I think if we can just for context because some
Speaker 5: of what Andrew's reference are.
Speaker 4: There's some video. So there's a guy that we saw online.
Speaker 4: I don't know his name.
Speaker 5: I apologize, but I want to run this clip because
Speaker 5: he actually was criticizing Democrats for throwing out their nominees
Speaker 5: too soon. Interesting take, but let's let's hear it, not
Speaker 5: the eye roll Joshua ty Barnett, Okay, can we roll
Speaker 5: the clip?
Speaker 3: Nick?
Speaker 4: Thank you so much.
Speaker 14: This is why Democrats get looked at the way they do.
Speaker 14: You want Eric Swalwell to drop out over allegations, nothing proven,
Speaker 14: just allegations. It's insane to me that y'all are trying
Speaker 14: to hold people to a certain standard while we have
Speaker 14: a literal rapist as the head of the country, a
Speaker 14: literal rapist who got the job back after being convicted
Speaker 14: of right He got.
Speaker 13: Convicted and then was sworn in later.
Speaker 14: He got convicted of thirty four felonies and was sworn
Speaker 14: in later. We had Brett Kavanaugh, who had allegations during
Speaker 14: his confirmation hearing and got the job of Supreme Court
Speaker 14: justice lifelong deportment who actually helped the convicted rapists get
Speaker 14: back in power. We have Jim Jordan who helped cover
Speaker 14: for pedos and is still sitting in a position of
Speaker 14: power and almost has Speaker of the House.
Speaker 13: Am I saying don't believe any of the women, not
Speaker 13: at all.
Speaker 14: But what I'm saying is, can we have a trial,
Speaker 14: Can we get the thing to be proven? Can we
Speaker 14: have the evidence to be out there before we make
Speaker 14: this decision? Or only one side has to still pretend
Speaker 14: to be virtuous. This ain't the nineties, This ain't Bill
Speaker 14: Clinton lying about a bj were dealing with a full
Speaker 14: on fascist who is a pedo, who is a convicted grapist,
Speaker 14: would surrounded by other people who have been convicted of crimes.
Speaker 14: Y'all want Eric Swalwell though, to drop out over allegations.
Speaker 14: This is why people look at Democrats the way to do.
Speaker 14: This is why they call y'all week. This is why
Speaker 14: they call y'all spineless. And what virtue are you signaling?
Speaker 14: Joe Biden had none of these scandals, none of them.
Speaker 14: You wanted him going after one debate. Kamalin Harris had
Speaker 14: none of these scandals, yet you still didn't want her
Speaker 14: in power. So what is it you're looking for? Let
Speaker 14: me tell you something real quick, talk about this type
Speaker 14: of ship I was. I was traveling last week. There
Speaker 14: was a lady working at the ticket counter airport and
Speaker 14: I said to her, I said, yeah, I'm just having
Speaker 14: a hard time believing that we have a pedo at
Speaker 14: the head off.
Speaker 13: She said, well, how does that affect your life?
Speaker 14: I said, how does it affect my life that the
Speaker 14: head of the country is a pedo and protecting other pedos?
Speaker 13: She said, yeah, how does that affect your everyday life?
Speaker 14: That conversations it's still with me today and the fact
Speaker 14: that y'all are asking Eric Swalwell to drop out over
Speaker 14: allegations when we have average citizens that are telling me
Speaker 14: I shouldn't give that the head of the country is
Speaker 14: a suspected pedo protecting other pedles.
Speaker 13: Make it make sense.
Speaker 1: I understood that point. I think you should under say
Speaker 1: what people make allowance for.
Speaker 5: Okay, So just really quickly here, I want to make
Speaker 5: sure that I'm fair to this brother and saying he
Speaker 5: put this video out before the allegations. The latest allegations
Speaker 5: against Eric Swalwell in the Beverly Hills Hotel room came out,
Speaker 5: not that it would change his position. I'm happy to
Speaker 5: respond to that this, but I'm also happy to yield.
Speaker 5: And if y'all want to roll the other clip of
Speaker 5: the allegations, we can or we can wait.
Speaker 4: It's up to y'all.
Speaker 1: Please no, please.
Speaker 5: I think this is some of the dumbest shit I've
Speaker 5: ever heard in my life, and the reason for that
Speaker 5: is I don't ever want us to be holding ourselves
Speaker 5: to this same standard as Donald Trump.
Speaker 4: I don't.
Speaker 5: When I was growing up, people asked us what we
Speaker 5: wanted to be when we grew up, and one of
Speaker 5: the things that some kids would say is the President
Speaker 5: of the United States. He has made a mockery of
Speaker 5: the highest office of the land.
Speaker 4: Number One.
Speaker 5: I don't want to encourage kids. You would tell kids
Speaker 5: all the time, cheaters never win, and we're watching this
Speaker 5: man win over and over again electorally beating the criminal
Speaker 5: justice system, when we have brothers incarcerated, sisters incarcerated, who
Speaker 5: are sitting behind bars for stuff they didn't even do.
Speaker 4: You know, we talked about Sheila.
Speaker 5: I don't think she should be serving in Congress, but
Speaker 5: this woman is facing fifty three years in prison for
Speaker 5: something Donald Trump did.
Speaker 4: Over and over and over again.
Speaker 5: So I don't want us to say, like this is
Speaker 5: the gold star standard. Let us turn our eyes to
Speaker 5: people who have clear moral corruptibility and turn our eyes
Speaker 5: away from that and just you know, hold our nose
Speaker 5: and do the thing that's that's that's in our interests.
Speaker 5: And I can't say that somebody with all these allegations
Speaker 5: who's done all these things is in my best interest,
Speaker 5: or even the fact when he was like what the
Speaker 5: woman said, what does that have to do with you?
Speaker 5: I don't want someone who turns a blind eye to crime,
Speaker 5: who's violating the emolument's clause, who calls people human beings,
Speaker 5: rapists and drug dealers to whom he does not know,
Speaker 5: who is sending people all over the world, whether they
Speaker 5: are legal, have legal status here or not.
Speaker 4: I don't want us to aspire to that. That's my issue,
Speaker 4: and so for me.
Speaker 5: Should there be more due process, yes, but also it
Speaker 5: should be fairly applied across the board, without regard regard
Speaker 5: to partisanship or whether or not somebody A or B
Speaker 5: is your favorite member or not. We've talked a lot
Speaker 5: about what was going on with Eric Swalwell. The worst
Speaker 5: kept secret is that he was a hoe. It was
Speaker 5: not that the worst kept secret was that he was
Speaker 5: sexually as people. I still don't know that to be
Speaker 5: fat I don't believe this woman is making this stuff
Speaker 5: up or these other young women made this stuff up.
Speaker 5: But I think that there is nuance and layers to that,
Speaker 5: and I think that there should be consequence based on
Speaker 5: the severity of the issue. But I don't agree that
Speaker 5: we should be modeling ourselves and our political practices off
Speaker 5: of the Republican Party. I just don't. To me, they
Speaker 5: are like the worst examples of grown ups right now.
Speaker 3: I think that the position has to be nuanced in
Speaker 3: this discussion, and I think that you added a very
Speaker 3: robust nuance to take. And I think that the reason
Speaker 3: this show is good is because we can have these
Speaker 3: layered discussions, whereas sometimes on Twitter or Instagram people give
Speaker 3: you these hot takes that don't necessarily encapsulate the gravity
Speaker 3: of the matter. Like my overarching theme is you cannot
Speaker 3: let them make you them right, And I think that's
Speaker 3: what you were saying to a certain degree, Angela, like
Speaker 3: we cannot become them in terms of our moral and
Speaker 3: ethical fiber. On the flip side. I can also say
Speaker 3: that I was wrong about al Franken. I think I
Speaker 3: was a part of that growing chorus that said that
Speaker 3: al Franken should president resign. That was punny that he should,
Speaker 3: that he should resign because of a picture that was taken.
Speaker 3: I mean al Franken should probably this day, I mean
Speaker 3: hopefully he would have retired because of his age, but
Speaker 3: we know that's not the case, still be in the
Speaker 3: United States Senate. And so you can have those nuanced takes.
Speaker 3: And I think that when you're looking at Eric Swallwell,
Speaker 3: and I said this yesterday and this may be kind
Speaker 3: of my legal brain working in buckets, you have to
Speaker 3: look at what Angela talked about him being a hope
Speaker 3: in one bucket. You have to look at sexual assault
Speaker 3: in another bucket, and you have to look at impropriety
Speaker 3: with staffers in another bucket. And I think that you
Speaker 3: have one is him being a hoe. You have one
Speaker 3: that is extremely criminal and you belong under the jail,
Speaker 3: and the other is unethical and you have your own
Speaker 3: series of ethical issues with that, and so I think
Speaker 3: you have to be willing to analyze these things with that,
Speaker 3: and you talk about evidence, the most clear cut evidence
Speaker 3: actually is against Sheila McCormick. She got found guilty by
Speaker 3: a House, a bipartisan House Ethics committee of twenty five
Speaker 3: of the twenty seven counts that they said it was
Speaker 3: more than clear and convincing evidence. It wasn't a witch
Speaker 3: on on one side or another. You talk about Corey Mills,
Speaker 3: his allegations are just are ridiculously dangerous. And you look
Speaker 3: at Turning Gonzalez and some of the things he was
Speaker 3: doing and the result of his actions, right, I mean,
Speaker 3: his case is almost more so about the result in
Speaker 3: just the horrific nature in which he put this woman
Speaker 3: through so much trauma that she felt like that was
Speaker 3: her only way out. And then Eric Swalwell is apparently
Speaker 3: somebody that none of us really knew. If those allegations
Speaker 3: are born to be true, now politically, nobody's going to
Speaker 3: go out here and practice a unilateral disarmament, Like ain't
Speaker 3: nobody just going it's too close in the in the
Speaker 3: halls of power. If you think, for people listening, if
Speaker 3: you think this isn't about power, at the end of
Speaker 3: the day, that is what that It's about power, And
Speaker 3: even more simply it's about math. Like Mike Johnson and
Speaker 3: the Kim Jeffries are in a room together looking at
Speaker 3: each other counting votes. It is about math, and so
Speaker 3: do you got to we got to we not unilaterally
Speaker 3: disarming kick them out so we.
Speaker 1: Know who is sick this week.
Speaker 3: Yeah. So, I mean, I just think that we have
Speaker 3: to be really nuanced. And I think that Angela's point
Speaker 3: I would like to combine her point in mind as
Speaker 3: kind of top top themes, which is like, don't let them,
Speaker 3: don't let them make you them, but also we deserve
Speaker 3: more of our elected officials, which I got a lot
Speaker 3: out of what Angela said, Josh, what you get.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I won't say too much. I think
Speaker 2: you know, the point that you made, Angela, don't let them,
Speaker 2: don't let them make us them was was the was
Speaker 2: the point that I was agreeing with a little bit
Speaker 2: earlier as well, when we were talking about, you know,
Speaker 2: putting out a message that would purposefully demobilize people to vote,
Speaker 2: Like I'm sensitive to that. I don't want to be
Speaker 2: that guy. I do think that the only the weakest
Speaker 2: part of his video, the weakest part of his argument
Speaker 2: was when he was making the Republican comparisons. I want
Speaker 2: to just like clearly state that I think that any
Speaker 2: any position that says, look, they did it, so we
Speaker 2: should either do it or halt on, you know, criticizing
Speaker 2: some money when they do it, I'm never going to
Speaker 2: agree with that. There's one small part of what he
Speaker 2: said that I am I'm not saying I agree with,
Speaker 2: but I'm I am sensitive too, and I want to
Speaker 2: think more about, which is at what point do allegations become.
Speaker 3: The Gospel's truth? Right?
Speaker 2: And the reason why, you know, this is a tough
Speaker 2: thing to say coming out of the Me too era
Speaker 2: where you know, the headline is believe women, Believe women,
Speaker 2: and we I want to do that.
Speaker 1: We all want to.
Speaker 3: Stressy that I wasn't the headline.
Speaker 2: He speak, well, Well, where I'm going with this is
Speaker 2: the one thing that brings me as a black man
Speaker 2: back to is like the.
Speaker 3: Suite of abhorn.
Speaker 2: Allegations against black men coming from white women throughout history
Speaker 2: that like we're not even uh, there was no room
Speaker 2: to question them and have had enormous ramifications in our
Speaker 2: community and our psyche and our relationship with this country.
Speaker 2: And so I understand that his video was made before
Speaker 2: some video evidence came out, and the only part of
Speaker 2: his video that I felt a little bit of, uh
Speaker 2: that I want to think more about, is, Yeah, at
Speaker 2: what point do we say the allegations absolutely mean that
Speaker 2: you must step down, or absolutely mean that you are
Speaker 2: not the person that could represent me. I think that
Speaker 2: that is worth some discourse as well.
Speaker 5: I just can I just say this one thing on
Speaker 5: top of what you just said about some of the allegations. Historically,
Speaker 5: this is why I and God in trouble for it
Speaker 5: and still do to this day. Never say believe all women.
Speaker 5: I don't believe all women. It is what it is.
Speaker 5: I have a friend from preschool incarcerated right now for
Speaker 5: an accusation of rape that he did not do, but
Speaker 5: because people believed all women. You can go back, since
Speaker 5: we've talked about the Bible today, you can go back
Speaker 5: to the Book of Genesis where Joseph ran out of
Speaker 5: his cloak from Potiphar's wife child, Okay, because she accused.
Speaker 4: Him of some stuff.
Speaker 5: So I don't believe all women either, But I do
Speaker 5: think we should be figuring out if we're giving people passes,
Speaker 5: not around sexual assault, but if going back to this video,
Speaker 5: if we're giving people passes, what is permissible for a
Speaker 5: Democratic Party to give their potential candidates passes for what
Speaker 5: are the things you turn a blind eye to? Do
Speaker 5: you turn a blind eye towards anything? Do you get
Speaker 5: someone passed? Do you get someone grace? We got grace
Speaker 5: for Marjorie Taylor Green? So do we have grace for
Speaker 5: these people who have been carrying the right banner for
Speaker 5: a policy that actually served and meets the needs of
Speaker 5: our people. I don't know, it's to your point, Josh,
Speaker 5: I'm gonna start saying that, Like, I got to think
Speaker 5: about this some more, but this is where I'm at
Speaker 5: in this moment. I think that it's worthy of a
Speaker 5: conversation to say, what is the spectrum of grace that
Speaker 5: we give for, particularly for people running for office or
Speaker 5: in elected office?
Speaker 4: And then where do we say, no, we draw the
Speaker 4: line here? What is the line that we.
Speaker 1: Draw part this? If I could just weigh it on
Speaker 1: the topic broadly, which is to say to your question, Angela,
Speaker 1: And I think that he hit on this in this
Speaker 1: video as he compared how Republicans tend to deal with
Speaker 1: their crises, forgetting the enumerting of what those crises may be,
Speaker 1: but how they generally perform or deal with it. And
Speaker 1: how Democrats perform a deal with our crises. And I
Speaker 1: gotta say that resonated with me. First off, if your
Speaker 1: fight is being is taking place in the arena of politics,
Speaker 1: please don't ever count on your political party to be
Speaker 1: your clutch, got your back ride wich you like four
Speaker 1: flat tires, Absolutely not on the Democratic side, hook line sinker,
Speaker 1: period After that, they're not going to and the body politic, frankly,
Speaker 1: for the players in the arena are really not about that.
Speaker 1: They are about harm reduction to themselves. When I say
Speaker 1: harm reductions as well as electability re electability, and not
Speaker 1: to put in any way, shape or form compromise their
Speaker 1: access or their welding of power. Period Enough said. But
Speaker 1: I will say the party as a whole does not
Speaker 1: have an appetite for a full throated and full throttled defense.
Speaker 1: And again I'm stepping outside of this the context of
Speaker 1: the sexual abuse allegations and just dealing just more broadly
Speaker 1: with their appetite for the disdainful whatever that might look like.
Speaker 1: The Other thing I'll say about this is that my
Speaker 1: belief about believe all women is believe all women enough
Speaker 1: to investigate the allegations. Is what we are to say
Speaker 1: is the dot dot because nowhere And I'll say this
Speaker 1: from my own experience, it is a heel to climb
Speaker 1: plus some to deal with someone levying an allegation against
Speaker 1: you before you've ever had an opportunity to speak for
Speaker 1: yourself or to defend yourself, to say what your experience
Speaker 1: has been. And I believe people are entitled to that.
Speaker 1: But I will make an exception. I think that serving
Speaker 1: in public office is a privilege in a responsibility. I
Speaker 1: don't know that defending that perch is a defense that
Speaker 1: should be mounted from a political office. You may make
Speaker 1: the decision in the interest of the people for whom
Speaker 1: you've been elected to service. I will be too much
Speaker 1: of a distraction to what I've been elected and sent
Speaker 1: here to do than to fight this fight while I
Speaker 1: also stand as your elected best representative voice for our district.
Speaker 1: So the normal rules may not apply, and in fact,
Speaker 1: I think in a lot of cases don't apply for
Speaker 1: elected a officials. That the kind of grace that we
Speaker 1: want extended to us will follow us through our aspirations
Speaker 1: into the next office, as well as the maintaining of
Speaker 1: the office that we hold. And then finally, I'll just
Speaker 1: say on this, and I'll give it to you, Bikari.
Speaker 3: It is.
Speaker 1: It is that the belief that we can become judge,
Speaker 1: jury executioner off of the claims of one because as
Speaker 1: we all say, there's one to three sides, your's, theirs,
Speaker 1: and the truth. All of us have an experience and
Speaker 1: a lens by which we view and experience these things,
Speaker 1: and it may not always, in the retelling be the total.
Speaker 1: You know, some of all that may have taken place,
Speaker 1: and which is why investigations are important. But juries are
Speaker 1: the only ones who carry the responsibility of withholding judgment
Speaker 1: until you have heard what the judge says you are
Speaker 1: allowed to consider and making a determination on this case.
Speaker 1: The rest of us are not required to to spend
Speaker 1: with judgment until we've heard all the evidence. It's nice
Speaker 1: to do, but by and large, nobody has that admonishment
Speaker 1: except jurors.
Speaker 3: I always tell people this, and I'm actually tossing it
Speaker 3: back to you, Andrew, because I have a question. I
Speaker 3: always tell people that pastors and elected officials are the
Speaker 3: only profession where people expect more from you than they
Speaker 3: expect from themselves, of course, and I just think that
Speaker 3: that is kind of an awesome cross to bear perverbally,
Speaker 3: and that is like your great responsibility of refrain. But Andrew,
Speaker 3: I think you hit on it. But I really just
Speaker 3: wanted to drive this home because I was actually thinking
Speaker 3: about this in conversation with you, and I woke up
Speaker 3: at two forty five this morning to come back home
Speaker 3: from TV. But like, talk about the value of due process,
Speaker 3: because you know, people in this world of hot takes,
Speaker 3: in this world of you know, kind of cascading things,
Speaker 3: momentum happens. I mean, two weeks ago, Eric Swalwell was
Speaker 3: on his way to the governor's mansion.
Speaker 1: That's true, that's true.
Speaker 3: Two days ago, this man, I guess you call it,
Speaker 3: but he ran for president and we didn't know none
Speaker 3: of this, right that you all remember he was on
Speaker 3: the stage against Joe Biden, like he literally ran for
Speaker 3: president and two weeks ago was on his way to
Speaker 3: the governor's mansion. And then it kind of of cascaded down.
Speaker 3: And sometimes is it the job that you have that
Speaker 3: you don't get the benefit of due process? Where does
Speaker 3: due process stop and start? Should we? I mean, we
Speaker 3: talk about these words as if they're not so tangible ideals.
Speaker 3: But I hold due process as like a fundamental tenet
Speaker 3: of our being like that, that is so like my
Speaker 3: quest because you've been through the process. Me and Andrew
Speaker 3: joke all the time. Andrew was like, what did you
Speaker 3: ask me, Andrew.
Speaker 1: If you thought I was going to be found guilty?
Speaker 3: And you said, yeah, I mean I love Andrew with
Speaker 3: all my heart.
Speaker 1: No, he knew the percentages.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the percentage was when you go.
Speaker 1: Against the federal government, nine percent of those cases if
Speaker 1: not settled. I mean it was a resulting guilt.
Speaker 3: So use terminology. It wasn't necessarily an indictment of the
Speaker 3: man that I know. It was more of the process
Speaker 3: that we're in. Right, So you've been through that process
Speaker 3: where many people didn't. They you were pre judged and
Speaker 3: you still are. You still are. People still judge you
Speaker 3: for behavior they accused you of that you were found
Speaker 3: not guilty of. So like, explain to me due process
Speaker 3: as somebody who's set in that seat.
Speaker 1: Well, I will tell you. Due process is confined to
Speaker 1: the legal arena, and barely that alone. But in the
Speaker 1: court of the public opinion, there is no due process.
Speaker 1: There is claim, there's allegation, there's whatever your response may be,
Speaker 1: should you be able to give a response. By the way,
Speaker 1: usually in legal instances, the defendant is encouraged not to
Speaker 1: go out and to talk publicly because every single thing
Speaker 1: you you say can become another indictable offense, another offense
Speaker 1: by which they can come right back around and say, oh,
Speaker 1: we have a superseding indictment. We're not going to add this, this, this,
Speaker 1: and this against you. And so the system is not
Speaker 1: built at all for in the direction of a legally
Speaker 1: balanced system, wherein the defendant has equal opportunity right and
Speaker 1: standing before the court of public opinion to make a
Speaker 1: fair and balanced case. The fact that they can have
Speaker 1: a superseding indictment is one instance where you can see
Speaker 1: it is not to the advantage or to the to
Speaker 1: to to there to the benefit of the defendant to
Speaker 1: speak at all outside of the legal arena. But beyond that, Bakari,
Speaker 1: it is the truth is is that I know this
Speaker 1: in saying it right now, and I know it will
Speaker 1: be the case after we say it and after this conversation,
Speaker 1: and it didn't change for me until I was in
Speaker 1: the bullseye. To be very be honest with you, is
Speaker 1: I also prejudged when I heard a claim when I
Speaker 1: heard a an accusation, my my being was to be
Speaker 1: sensitive to what the person was being accused of, because
Speaker 1: why would somebody make that up? Why would someone put themselves?
Speaker 3: Why would?
Speaker 1: Why would? Why would? Why wouldn't they? Why shouldn't they
Speaker 1: want to take your ass off? Why wouldn't they want
Speaker 1: to move in us a barrier that they believe got
Speaker 1: too close? Why wouldn't they?
Speaker 8: Right?
Speaker 1: But most of us are not going to go.
Speaker 4: On a bipartisan level, for sure, Okay.
Speaker 1: Most of us are not going to go to the
Speaker 1: questions of why.
Speaker 3: I will tell you that Shela messed up, But those
Speaker 3: claims didn't come out of thin air. And one day
Speaker 3: when we off off off air, I'll tell you.
Speaker 15: The Democrats Democrats to witness people, and they were going
Speaker 15: to be in the same district, And so there were
Speaker 15: Democrats who wanted to go ahead and take her out.
Speaker 1: By the way, does not let her off of whatever
Speaker 1: you need.
Speaker 4: Three years.
Speaker 3: She's a whole damn count artist.
Speaker 1: There would take away for instance, if I were jumping
Speaker 1: forward to my ct A, it really would be that
Speaker 1: we owe it to ourselves into the people out there
Speaker 1: who are accused and are leveled for things and we
Speaker 1: don't have the picture in front of us, and certainly
Speaker 1: in instances where the picture is supposed to become, you know,
Speaker 1: supposed to come forward, you know over the course of
Speaker 1: a process that we not just have grace, but put
Speaker 1: yourself in the position that if these things were being
Speaker 1: levied against me, and to my heart of hearts, I
Speaker 1: believe that I did not do the thing that they
Speaker 1: are saying that I did. That that you would wait
Speaker 1: until this process plays itself out so you can learn
Speaker 1: a little bit more, know a little bit more before
Speaker 1: you jump on that train. When that train hasn't even
Speaker 1: been interrogated. We haven't had a chance to put to
Speaker 1: the to the accusation a question. We have only been
Speaker 1: able to absorb what the accusation has been. And I'm
Speaker 1: not saying these folks are out there lying. I'm simply
Speaker 1: saying there ought to be a process that is observed
Speaker 1: that will allow us to know more fully and completely
Speaker 1: the story. The reason people give up and say, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm gonna plead is because they know the
Speaker 1: mountain that they are going to have to climb. If
Speaker 1: they're asking you, me and everybody else to withhold judgment
Speaker 1: until you learn more of what the situation has to offer.
Speaker 3: I was waiting on that answer, Thank you, a Jed.
Speaker 3: I wasn't trying to get too personal, but I was like,
Speaker 3: this is somebody who can answer this question.
Speaker 1: Is you? It's real? And the truth is that sometimes
Speaker 1: you won't. Unless you're in the crosshairs. It may never
Speaker 1: occur to you that judgment shouldn't be yours right now.
Speaker 1: Maybe what ought to be yours is curiosity and inquisition
Speaker 1: about what has come forward. And if that puts you
Speaker 1: on the wrong side of women's liberation, it shouldn't because
Speaker 1: we should say yes, they ought to be believed enough
Speaker 1: that their claims are investigated and solve through their logical conclusion,
Speaker 1: not that they are dismissed with, which has been the
Speaker 1: normal habit of the system, which is to say, manah, yeah,
Speaker 1: but you put yourself in the situation, and yeah, what
Speaker 1: did you do? And what were you wearing? And why
Speaker 1: would you show to somebody's place. All that stuff used
Speaker 1: to be the stuff that disarmed and quite frankly embarrassed
Speaker 1: and whipped women and claimants into submission because they knew
Speaker 1: that the system as built was not going to make
Speaker 1: way for their truth. We should make way for their truth.
Speaker 2: I want to put an exclamation mark on something you
Speaker 2: said too as you were talking ag like you you
Speaker 2: you know, for a black for a black man to
Speaker 2: ask the court of public opinion to at least wait
Speaker 2: until we get to the due process into the system
Speaker 2: that can discover truth. And that system doesn't even have
Speaker 2: a good record in discovering truth. That is us asking
Speaker 2: most times for the absolute bare minimum, absolutely right, like
Speaker 2: that system has a terrible track record and even discovering
Speaker 2: our truths right. And actually in most cases, those systems
Speaker 2: have been shields of plausible deniability that just allow some
Speaker 2: of the worst actors in America to to divvy out,
Speaker 2: you know, consequences towards us while no one can be
Speaker 2: single handedly responsible because it was it was a judicial
Speaker 2: say hey, hey, hey, they went through the courts, right,
Speaker 2: and so I really, I really like the way that
Speaker 2: you put that believe all women enough to to be
Speaker 2: curious to investigate the claims.
Speaker 3: I like that a lot.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, y'all, I got one question for y'all, which
Speaker 1: is is there redemption in your mind after something like this?
Speaker 1: I think it's too early in the Swalloworld case because
Speaker 1: we've not there's not been a full vetting. But do
Speaker 1: you ever see an environment where someone can go through
Speaker 1: that crucible and afterwards be allowed in polite society, acceptable
Speaker 1: in polite society? Is that? What is that?
Speaker 4: I'm wondering if we can bigger question, if we could do.
Speaker 5: That on the mini pod ag because I would love
Speaker 5: to throw that in with the like the grace passes,
Speaker 5: Like what are the things that we can't extend grace
Speaker 5: for and allow somebody back into public service and vote
Speaker 5: them back in even because I do think it's something
Speaker 5: we should wrestle with and even if everybody else is
Speaker 5: uncomfortable with it. I think there needs to be a
Speaker 5: safe place called home where we can talk about these things,
Speaker 5: like what is the thing that's beyond the pill? What
Speaker 5: could we say, you know, if you went through some
Speaker 5: type of rehab or whatever, there's space. What are the
Speaker 5: things that will never let you back in for? I
Speaker 5: think it's important to wrestle with those things.
Speaker 1: At the challenge and don't relent the mic because you're
Speaker 1: on for CTA.
Speaker 16: Who cares about truth for the last more than saying.
Speaker 5: It okay, well thank you for that. So I my
Speaker 5: CTA is about taking care of yourself. You are we
Speaker 5: are living in a day and age where we are
Speaker 5: under constant stress. Our age group is going through taking
Speaker 5: care of children, taking care of our parents, taking care
Speaker 5: of our neighbors. And then we have to we have
Speaker 5: to like look at our president talking shit to the pope,
Speaker 5: you know, so like we have to wrestle with a
Speaker 5: lot internal and external factors of stress. Last week, Daddy,
Speaker 5: I'm about to tell your business. My dad was a
Speaker 5: hospitalized Wednesday and he you know, he has chronically high
Speaker 5: blood pressure. But we also found out he has congenital
Speaker 5: heart failure. He has to get a stint put in
Speaker 5: on Monday next week.
Speaker 4: He's been doing.
Speaker 5: Such great work supporting my mom and her care. And
Speaker 5: shout out to mommy because her cancer.
Speaker 4: She just got some.
Speaker 5: Blood work back and it's looking really, really good, so
Speaker 5: we're thanking God for that. But I'm saying this to
Speaker 5: you all because I was in a season for a
Speaker 5: long time of I don't have time to even work
Speaker 5: out for an hour. I'll eat right, I'll take my vitamins.
Speaker 5: I'm gonna be honest with y'all. I'm doing about three
Speaker 5: times a week. I need to do every day. But
Speaker 5: like even still right now in my challenge, I need
Speaker 5: to do more days a week. But I'm saying I
Speaker 5: would convince myself I don't even have the hour to
Speaker 5: give me.
Speaker 4: There are twenty four hours in a day.
Speaker 5: You cannot give the best of yourself to your spouses,
Speaker 5: your partners, your kids, your parents if you don't find
Speaker 5: that one hour. When we were in the emergency room,
Speaker 5: just as a quick little testimony with my dad his
Speaker 5: blood pressure, that the what's the top number is systolic?
Speaker 5: Whatever the top number isstic start yes, So his systolic
Speaker 5: number was two thirty one. I put on a meditation
Speaker 5: app for nine minutes and that top number dropped from
Speaker 5: two thirty one to one ninety two. And one ninety
Speaker 5: two is still too high. But in the emergency room
Speaker 5: you're about to get your blood pressure medicine, it's a
Speaker 5: little bit better. What I'm saying is just nine minutes
Speaker 5: if you're dealing with high blood pressure, just twenty minutes
Speaker 5: of walking thirty minutes something. I got my little peddler
Speaker 5: thing onneath. I don't know if y'all saw me, I
Speaker 5: was doing like that. I was peddling under the desk
Speaker 5: and now I'm like, I'm in the ninety day challenge.
Speaker 5: Let's go, y'all can join me at day eighty or
Speaker 5: whatever day I'm on seventy five. I just want you
Speaker 5: to do something and take care of yourselves and being
Speaker 5: committed to it. I do better with collaborative projects. So
Speaker 5: I got my friends all on me, like, Okay, we
Speaker 5: about to hit this treadmill. Okay, We're about to do
Speaker 5: these crunches. Okay, like, just do it. And also I
Speaker 5: needed to lose twenty pounds, so please do that for me, y'all.
Speaker 1: I loved that. I appreciate that, yes, which got Joshua.
Speaker 3: I'll go.
Speaker 2: I'll do I'll say, do things that do things that
Speaker 2: scare you, do things that make you nervous, do things
Speaker 2: that intimidate you. I'm gonna shamelessly plug myself here. I
Speaker 2: just gave the keynote at the Harvard Kennedy School the
Speaker 2: Black Policy Conference, and you know, most of my speech
Speaker 2: was about black political power, the research that we had
Speaker 2: done and hit strategies to disaggregate and psychographically segment the
Speaker 2: black voters.
Speaker 3: And I was nervous, man, you know, I was.
Speaker 2: I was real like I was a little timminated, and
Speaker 2: I think it went well and I've gotten some good reviews.
Speaker 2: And I've been saying that to myself since he like,
Speaker 2: do do the things that's scary, you don't run away
Speaker 2: from it.
Speaker 3: I love that. Yeah, I love that.
Speaker 1: Uh, I'm getting nervous no more.
Speaker 3: You know, you can show up and show out on
Speaker 3: young jeezy and show out. I got a video that
Speaker 3: I wanted to play from my oldest baby girl right here, Nick,
Speaker 3: if you can put it up for us.
Speaker 1: She looks like her mother.
Speaker 3: Yo. Yeah, that's just like her mom. So the video
Speaker 3: that we're watching is Kai Carter crossing. Yeah, so already
Speaker 3: incorporated and she is Alpha Chapter. And that's how I
Speaker 3: love the family. So shout out the Kai Carter and
Speaker 3: shout out the family. That's my ct any day.
Speaker 1: That's beautiful.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's that HPCU right now. Yeah, yeah it is
Speaker 3: this what this is what South Dakota look like?
Speaker 1: That is well, yeah, you're curious, look at that found
Speaker 1: this is incredible.
Speaker 4: Congratulations.
Speaker 1: I love that. I love that. I love that my
Speaker 1: cousin is Outpha Chapter Delta and shout.
Speaker 3: Out it is hard, it's hard.
Speaker 1: Congratulations, Bakari. I know that's that's a high moment right there,
Speaker 1: and mine. I just reiterated what I said earlier, the
Speaker 1: the the demonstrating enough will and it does take will
Speaker 1: power to foreclose judgment until you know more, and in
Speaker 1: the case of trials, will learn more. But even in
Speaker 1: the case of when we're online and we get our
Speaker 1: you know, get all up in our and were about
Speaker 1: to go on and do our live and shout out,
Speaker 1: you know, well, really call out somebody left and right,
Speaker 1: we oftentimes do those things and I see them, you know,
Speaker 1: every now and again. I'm like, my goodness, Lord, you
Speaker 1: got a lot of heat for such and such and such.
Speaker 1: When I was going through my own trials, I realized
Speaker 1: that all the folks who had the most heat, you know,
Speaker 1: who were coming for me with you know, you know,
Speaker 1: machete in hand. I recognized very early on that you
Speaker 1: you don't know me, and you can't have that much
Speaker 1: heat for me. So I pray for you because clearly
Speaker 1: there's something up in your life that you and may
Speaker 1: be able to channel that anger through me, but that
Speaker 1: you got to deal with on your own. That that's
Speaker 1: your cross the baar or you got to work that out.
Speaker 1: I may be a passageway right now. But but I've
Speaker 1: never gone online and talked about something in somebody uh
Speaker 1: uh in such a way without being in full hopefully
Speaker 1: command of the fact that I ain't got that's not
Speaker 1: really about me, that's that's they thing, and then being
Speaker 1: in also awareness that you know what, I took all
Speaker 1: that heat out and I am like screaming out loud
Speaker 1: for help in my own life on this thing, because
Speaker 1: there ain't no way I can feel that way about
Speaker 1: this person and don't know them, couldn't tell you their
Speaker 1: middle name mcary, But yet I got het for him,
Speaker 1: and therapy helped me recognize that no, that heat was
Speaker 1: really for me. I just needed an avenue that I
Speaker 1: could channel it through that didn't make me feel so
Speaker 1: bad about myself, and so I used other people to
Speaker 1: scapegoat it. But our curiosity and our patients with the
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