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Speaker 1: Here we go. It's our two Rams. Come back and

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Speaker 1: make it close. Stafford play as well. They win Stafford Struggles.

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Speaker 1: They lose eleven and five on the season. McVeigh did

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Speaker 1: say he's gonna play the starters in week eighteen. Good

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Speaker 1: to have you today. So the college football playoff tomorrow. Miami.

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Speaker 1: I liked him to get into the playoff over and

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Speaker 1: over Dame. I liked him over Texas, A and M

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Speaker 1: I think they keep it close here. Can they move

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Speaker 1: the ball consistently at least win some field position battles

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Speaker 1: against Ohio State. I think Ohio State will struggle to

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Speaker 1: move the ball. Really good pass rush. Miami is old

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Speaker 1: school physical, but I think the Buckeyes have so many

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Speaker 1: interesting perimeter weapons Brian Hartlin's recruiting they'll kind of outlast

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Speaker 1: them over the course of time. They'll just make a

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Speaker 1: couple of big plays down the sideline. So here we

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Speaker 1: do it, the herd hierarchy. As we head into week eighteen,

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Speaker 1: here we go.

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Speaker 2: Heard hierarchy time.

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Speaker 3: Now go the top ten NFL teams according to College

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Speaker 3: number ten.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'll put Buffalo once again at ten. They've trailed

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Speaker 1: in each of their last nine games, three of their

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Speaker 1: five losses that come to Philadelphia, the Texans and the Patriots.

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Speaker 1: I don't think they're going to be able to beat

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Speaker 1: top end teams consistently. They can't defend the run, they

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Speaker 1: fall into holes. I don't trust them situationally. In big spot.

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Speaker 1: They'd won five straight division titles, and my guests going forward,

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Speaker 1: Drake May and Mike Vrabel are going to own the division.

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Speaker 1: I have the Bills at ten, number nine. Yet, I

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Speaker 1: do think the Texans could play for the AFC Championship.

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Speaker 1: Eight game winning streak, best fourth quarter differential in the league.

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Speaker 1: They wear you out physically and can pull away in

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Speaker 1: the final quarter. Now, they've scored twenty or fewer points

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Speaker 1: this year, but that's because if what he marks doesn't play,

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Speaker 1: I don't know if I trust their offense. I've always

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Speaker 1: liked CJ. Stroud, But I like this team. I would

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Speaker 1: not want to face this team in the playoffs, would

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Speaker 1: not at all. Texans nine number eight are the Bears.

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Speaker 1: They lead the NFL in big plays on offense, but

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Speaker 1: they've allowed the third most on defense, so they don't

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Speaker 1: turn it over. Caleb does not turn the ball over.

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Speaker 1: They don't take sacks nearly as much as last year.

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Speaker 1: I think Caleb's had a very good season. I think

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Speaker 1: Ben Johnson in an argument for Coach the Year. The

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Speaker 1: last two games, Caleb Williams has almost six hundred and

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Speaker 1: fifty yards, a bunch of touchdowns, no sacks, no turnovers,

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Speaker 1: I see the Bears.

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Speaker 4: At eight.

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Speaker 1: Number seven, Denver Broncos clinch their first AFC West title

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Speaker 1: since twenty fifteen. They are seven and one at home

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Speaker 1: and have been a great home team since Sean Payton arrived.

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Speaker 1: They're twelve and one the last two years at home.

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Speaker 1: Many of them close, come from behind wins in the

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Speaker 1: fourth quarter. They are four teams that play them are

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Speaker 1: four and eleven the following week. That matters to me.

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Speaker 1: What it says is Denver beats you up. Physically, you

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Speaker 1: I have Denver at seven. Number six. Philadelphia hard team

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Speaker 1: they traded for linebacker Jalen Phillips from Miami. He's a

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Speaker 1: good player, obviously. Here's an interesting one with Jalen Hurts.

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Speaker 1: Do you know he is seven and zer against Mahomes,

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Speaker 1: Alan Burrow, Lamar Jackson over the last three years. He

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Speaker 2: Homer Away number five.

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Speaker 1: The Rams don't trust their special teams lost three of five,

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Speaker 1: Bjon Robinson. They're very dependent on how Matt Stafford plays.

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Speaker 1: When he throws picks. They don't, which is discouraging because

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Speaker 1: Seattle wins when Darnold throws picks. I've watched San Francisco

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Speaker 1: If Stafford struggles, the Rams lose number four, the Jags

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Speaker 1: seven game winning streak during that streak outscoring people by

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Speaker 1: They've hammered good teams. They go on the road and win.

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Speaker 2: Four, number three.

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Speaker 1: I worry about the O line and the run game

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Speaker 1: Only team in the league top five offense, top five defense.

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Speaker 1: I mean, Drake may is going to win the MVP,

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Speaker 1: Christian Gonzales. They don't run the ball consistently, but they

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Speaker 1: two niners. I know, six game winning street. Do they

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Speaker 1: have a whole yeah? Opposing quarterbacks have a passer rating

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Speaker 1: They got a blitch to create pressure. They've got a

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Speaker 1: And George Kittle didn't even play against Chicago. I got

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Speaker 1: last two years. Seattle may not be great at anything,

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Speaker 1: They're not bad at anything. They don't have to have

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Speaker 1: they win at home again in the playoffs. You can't

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Speaker 1: be bad at stuff because the coaching's so good, they'll

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Speaker 1: expose it. They remind me a little bit of New England.

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Speaker 1: What's New England bad at?

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Speaker 2: I wish?

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Speaker 1: I wish the Patriots ran the ball more consistently, But

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Speaker 1: New England's not bad at anything. The only other team

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Speaker 4: J Mack thoughts, three teams in the NFC West make

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Speaker 5: That is insane. Colin.

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Speaker 1: If I had said the Jags.

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Speaker 4: Would be number four in the Hurt hierarchy heading into

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Speaker 4: Week eighteen, you probably would have kicked.

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Speaker 5: Me off the show.

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Speaker 4: Jacksonville, that is an unbelievable story. I was just doing

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Speaker 4: and drop passes this year?

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Speaker 5: What?

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Speaker 1: They crazy?

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Speaker 1: Jacksonville is one of those teams if you know you can't,

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Speaker 1: it just goes to show. I mean, Chicago hires a

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Speaker 1: their defense is by far and away the best in

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Speaker 1: the league. And again Vrabels, Drake may is gonna work.

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Speaker 1: Josh McDaniels a little bit of a secret sauce here

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Speaker 1: with Brady and mcgae. It's a lot of offensive guys

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Speaker 1: engineering it. Jean Payton in Denver. I mean, say what

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Speaker 1: you want about Philadelphia, but I mean that offense Jalen Hurts,

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Speaker 1: I'll tell you a way, if Philadelphia played the Rams.

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Speaker 1: You mentioned this earlier, the game plan is going to

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Speaker 1: be real obvious. You throw to AJ Brown fifteen times.

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Speaker 1: Because I don't think the Rams match up at all.

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Speaker 1: I think Philadelphia is a tough matchup for the Rams.

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Speaker 4: By the way, Colin, on your list here, I'm counting

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Speaker 4: four quarterbacks on the rookie deal, Drake May, Bo Nicks.

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Speaker 4: No Mahomes, no Burrow, no Lamar. The tide has turned

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Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, let's bring in Joel Klatt, Voice of

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Speaker 1: College Football become the Holiday Bowl Friday in San Diego. Okay.

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Speaker 1: So it's Miami and Ohio State. I think it's low scoring.

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Speaker 1: I think it's close. What would Miami have to do

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Speaker 6: Well, they've got to get after the passer. You know

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Speaker 6: I'll give them that rubyen Bain in particular. These guys

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Speaker 6: So that was really what Indiana was able to do

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Speaker 6: to need to be slippery against Ohio State. I think

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Speaker 6: they're gonna have to create some field position. I just

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Speaker 1: Ryan Day is going to be calling plays, which he

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Speaker 1: hasn't done. I don't love it, but there are coaches

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Speaker 1: that do it. Wait wait, wait, why don't you wait?

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Speaker 6: Why why don't you He's like one of the best

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Speaker 1: No, no, I know. I like my head coach to

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Speaker 1: can Like Lane Kiffin, he's a good play caller, but

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Speaker 1: I don't he didn't do it all year. Now he's

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Speaker 6: And by the way, this is a lot better than

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Speaker 1: Okay, so you've called more Ohio State game games than

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Speaker 6: You know, last year's buck Eye team was just so

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Speaker 6: I'm not saying last year's team was better. I think

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Speaker 1: You know what one of the signs of a great

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Speaker 6: I think that there's two ways to look at Miami

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Speaker 6: Four games in particularly against FBS opponents, it was really bad.

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Speaker 6: They were down thirty to South Carolina. They got beat

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Speaker 6: that was a game that was pretty sloppy. And do

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Speaker 6: we really believe that Miami is all of a sudden

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Speaker 1: So two different versions of Miami. Where do I sit?

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Speaker 6: Had the benefit of playing against a team that was overmatched,

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Speaker 5: I don't know.

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Speaker 1: Maybe it's low scoring and they can win the game.

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Speaker 1: Texas Tech. They haven't played a team like this. Here's

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Speaker 1: what I'm rooting for is that Dante Moore wins, but

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Speaker 1: He's twenty years old with eighteen stars. Should he should?

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Speaker 1: Abs Now Mendoz is a different ballgame. Two years at

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Speaker 6: To me, I think that Oregon has the ability to

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Speaker 1: Tech is an excellent team. Okay. I think Indiana is

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Speaker 6: And the reason is because I think ty Simpson's elite Colin.

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Speaker 1: He is an elite quarterback.

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Speaker 6: You should see him on film because they don't protect

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Speaker 6: Now in every other area of this game, Indiana has

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Speaker 1: I'll say it right now. I think Indiana blows Alabama out.

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Speaker 6: to talk about the fact that Indiana is the second

436
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Speaker 6: best defense in the entire sport. So watch out for

437
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Speaker 6: that defensive front seven getting after the quarterback because if

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Speaker 6: ty Simpson is under duress, We've already seen that. Florida

439
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Speaker 6: State did that. You know a lot of teams have

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Speaker 6: done that to Alabama. So I think Indiana wins the game.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm gonna say Indiana in a route, Indiana in

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Speaker 1: a route. Okay, I don't know if you caught the

443
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Speaker 1: courageous Lincoln Riley. I don't use CERR. I don't throw

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Speaker 1: courage out very often. But willingness to say because I've

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Speaker 1: I've defended. If you and I went into business and

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Speaker 1: I had a side deal that could literally, at the

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Speaker 1: end the conclusion of our business partnership, I could take

448
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Speaker 1: away your profits. Well I had a side deal, you'd

449
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Speaker 1: be like Colin, I'm not going into business with you,

450
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Speaker 1: the fact that I wouldn't like you, yeah, the fact

451
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Speaker 1: that USC is like we could be ten, you could

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Speaker 1: be twelve. You knock us out, we'll play you, but

453
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Speaker 1: it's going to be on our terms. You got side deals,

454
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Speaker 1: We're fully committed. You're not to your conference. I don't

455
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Speaker 1: even understand the argument. Every USC fan and donor is screaming,

456
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Speaker 1: I don't understand it. You would never go into business

457
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Speaker 1: with anybody with a side deal that could steal profits.

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Speaker 1: What am I missing? I don't think that that is inaccurate.

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Speaker 1: I mean, honestly, and listen, it does not behoove anybody.

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Speaker 6: I can't believe I'm saying this, but like to schedule

461
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Speaker 6: Notre Dame because they have such an advantage over these

462
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Speaker 6: teams that are playing and in the Big ten in

463
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Speaker 6: the SEC's cases, much more difficult schedules. And now there's

464
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Speaker 6: this bar, like a minimum bar, where all Notre Dame

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Speaker 6: has to do is be in the top twelve with

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Speaker 6: their schedule.

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Speaker 1: That's so that's crazy.

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Speaker 6: Meanwhile, we have seen we have seen that in the

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Speaker 6: selection based model and the invitational that we have in

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Speaker 6: college football, it really comes down to just number of

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Speaker 6: wins and losses. We saw that last this year. We

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Speaker 6: saw it last year when those nine and three teams

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Speaker 6: in the SEC were left out, and similar this year.

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Speaker 6: And so if you're USC, you're like, hold on a second.

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Speaker 6: So we're gonna have to play nine Big Ten games, which,

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Speaker 6: by the way, the last two national championship champions came

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Speaker 6: from the Big Ten. They've got three, it could be

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Speaker 6: a third. You got three teams that have a potential

479
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Speaker 6: to be in the College football semi finals and we're

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Speaker 6: just going to add Notre Dame because and they have

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Speaker 6: this sweetheart deal.

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Speaker 1: So I don't disagree with that.

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Speaker 6: Now, there's a huge side of me that just says, like, no,

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Speaker 6: I just want to see the game. I want I

485
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Speaker 6: want to maintain this game. I'm sure there's a piece

486
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Speaker 6: of you that feels like.

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Speaker 2: That years ago.

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Speaker 6: Of course, of course, of course, but it doesn't make

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Speaker 6: any sense. It doesn't make any sense for USC and

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Speaker 6: because that they've got to look out for themselves. And

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Speaker 6: until I think Notre Dame should join a conference, And

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Speaker 6: I get a lot of heat for always saying that,

493
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Speaker 6: but it's time, it's time they I think that them

494
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Speaker 6: joining a conference would be better for college football.

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Speaker 1: All right, it's good seeing you. I think we both

496
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Speaker 1: like Kyle Winningham. I wish it was fifty six, not

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Speaker 1: sixty six, But I still think it's a good year

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Speaker 1: for four years. Sure, but think about it now, you've

499
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Speaker 1: got to you're up against it. Timing wise, they had

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Speaker 1: to retain their play identity and yet reset the culture

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Speaker 1: in the building.

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Speaker 6: That's very difficult to do all in one swoop, and

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Speaker 6: you get a guy that's a College Football Hall of

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Speaker 6: Famer and has won.

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Speaker 2: I mean.

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Speaker 6: That's about as good as they could do at the

507
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Speaker 6: back end of the carousel. And I mean, like I

508
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Speaker 6: thought that was a tremendous hire. Yeah, ethical tough.

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Speaker 1: I always said Utah was the most big ten like

510
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Speaker 1: Pac twelve team for the last twenty years.

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Speaker 6: Now he doesn't have to fight uphill, you know, like

512
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Speaker 6: he can go to a place where he can win.

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Speaker 6: Not that you talking win, but I'm talking about like

514
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Speaker 6: National championship point playoffs. He's He's never had a player

515
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Speaker 6: offensively as good as Underwood, just in terms of talent

516
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Speaker 6: or marsh you could make it right. Well, I mean

517
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Speaker 6: he did have hold on now, he did have end well.

518
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Speaker 6: The quarterback Alex Smith was the number one overall pick.

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Speaker 6: Pretty good, pretty good. It's good, all right, buddy.

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Speaker 1: Steve Smith was pretty good. So you're yeah, you got

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Speaker 1: me on that one. Steve's good. I'll give you that,

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Speaker 1: all right.

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Speaker 6: All right, my man, I'll hear from Steve. Steve, I

524
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Speaker 6: got your back, I got your back.

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Speaker 1: Good. Steve was good, all right. Joel Klatt, great to

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Speaker 1: see you, brother, Good to see you. I'm glad. It's

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Speaker 1: crazy to me. I don't understand all this sentimentality. Notre

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Speaker 1: Dame gets to play five conference games and a weeker conference.

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Speaker 1: They can you know, I mean they can basically control

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Speaker 1: like half their schedule. USC gets to control like three

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Speaker 1: out of conference games. Notre Dame could put a buy

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Speaker 1: in front of every USC game in October. USC can't

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Speaker 1: do that. They play them when they play them. I

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Speaker 1: don't even understand it. I really don't. It's the hurd.

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Speaker 3: Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd weekdays

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Speaker 3: and noon Easter not a em Pacific on Fox Sports

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Speaker 3: Radio FS one and the iHeartRadio app.

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Speaker 5: Hey, this is Jason McIntyre.

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Speaker 4: Join me every weekday morning on my podcast Straight Fire

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Speaker 1: They are those speculating that was seven job openings or

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Speaker 1: eight There aren't enough good candidates. I would argue, we'll

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Speaker 1: have our coaching tree, our Christmas coaching Tree. I think

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Speaker 1: there are six or seven really good candidates and we'll

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Speaker 1: talk about that coming up. J Mack with the news.

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Speaker 7: No turns, this is the headline news.

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Speaker 5: I can't wait to see that list. Colin.

555
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Speaker 4: Let's get started with Raven Steeler's Sunday Night Football. Usually

556
00:28:57,000 --> 00:29:00,200
Speaker 4: this history between these two teams is phenomenal, but this

557
00:29:00,240 --> 00:29:05,320
Speaker 4: one not great, especially because Lamar Jackson is TBD according

558
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Speaker 4: to John Harbaugh and whether or not he'll play following

559
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Speaker 4: the back contusion.

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Speaker 5: Here is Harball on his two time MVP.

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Speaker 4: Well, it's to be determined, you know, I mean Stowe's

562
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Speaker 4: coming off he's coming off of very serious injury and.

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Speaker 1: He's working at it. So I'm here today working at it.

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Speaker 4: So I think we'll know a lot more on Wednesday.

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Speaker 4: I know you're mister tinfoil hat conspiracy theory guy.

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Speaker 5: You want one?

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Speaker 2: Okay?

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Speaker 1: Sure?

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Speaker 4: So remember before Christmas that story came out in Baltimore

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Speaker 4: about Lamar and practice habits and video games and all

571
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Speaker 4: the nonsense. Yeah, wasn't really addressed by Lamar Harball I

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Speaker 4: think tried to shoot it down. He gets hurt the

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Speaker 4: next day, right Christmas Day. Haven't heard much from Lamar since.

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Speaker 4: If he's fifty to fifty He's like, you know what,

575
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Speaker 4: screw these guys are.

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Speaker 5: Planning stories about me in the media. I don't need this.

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Speaker 4: You're a quiet quitting going on with Lamar Jackson thinking

578
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Speaker 4: I'm done in Baltimore.

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Speaker 5: I don't need this place anymore.

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Speaker 1: Would you read that somewhere?

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Speaker 4: No, I just came up. I hatched it talking to

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Speaker 4: Zach here over what we're going to talk about, and

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Speaker 4: I'm like.

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Speaker 1: Did you get that with like Tucker Carlson is on

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Speaker 1: his Reddit board or something.

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Speaker 5: I think it was JD Vance's finest work. I don't.

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Speaker 5: I don't know.

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Speaker 4: I'm just kidding, but in all seriousness, like we know

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Speaker 4: that there is some kind of issue with Lamar. He

590
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Speaker 4: wanted that full money guarantee. Now he takes in need

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Speaker 4: of the back and he's and he's not back in miss.

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Speaker 4: This guy's a warrior, isn't he. I don't know.

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Speaker 1: I have to let that bake. I think he's hurt.

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Speaker 1: And Lamar's not somebody who seeks microphones, and I mean

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Speaker 1: he's not. He'd never been that kid. If you ask

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Speaker 1: him a question, he gives you a thoughtful answer, right,

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Speaker 1: I don't know. I think that that makes Lamar look

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Speaker 1: like he's deceptive and devious. And I think he likes

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Speaker 1: being a Raven. I think I would want to be

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Speaker 1: Raven if I was an NFL quarterback. I think it's

601
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Speaker 1: great ownership. I mean, I think it's a first class operation.

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Speaker 1: I can't believe he watched to get out of there

603
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Speaker 1: and go play for the Jets.

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Speaker 4: Well no, no, listen, by the way, stop pedaling Lamar

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Speaker 4: to my jets.

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Speaker 5: Okay, two years.

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Speaker 1: Ago when I wanted it makes sense for them, not

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Speaker 1: after the Jets.

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Speaker 4: What are we doing taking on the most expensive guy

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Speaker 4: in the league.

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Speaker 5: What would I don't need that, Colin. I just don't.

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Speaker 5: This offseason is gonna be fun.

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Speaker 4: Maybe it's the media trying to gin up this game

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Speaker 4: with this Tomlin stuff. But between Tomlin, Lamar Kelsey leaving,

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Speaker 4: the Chiefs.

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Speaker 1: Demise two games this weekend. I can't wait to watch

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Speaker 1: that's one of them.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, Unfortunately, I think I like the Steelers here and

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Speaker 4: my guy Aaron.

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Speaker 1: I liked the three and a half. I like Baltimore

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Speaker 1: to win, but I'm taking the hook every time in

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Speaker 1: this game. It's gonna be close and low scoring.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, this is too behut of a take. But if

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Speaker 4: you're the Steelers, do you want to face Snoopuntley or Lamar?

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Speaker 1: I would rather face Snoop Huntley. But I like Snoop Puntley.

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Speaker 1: I think he's one of the better. I think the two.

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Speaker 1: There's three backups in this league that are good. Mac

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Speaker 1: Jones is a good backup, Malik Willis is a good backup,

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Speaker 1: and stup Huntley is a good backup. Those are pros.

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Speaker 1: You didn't win games with those guys. I like those guys.

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Speaker 5: It's more than I mean. Davis Mills has been solid.

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Speaker 1: He's been sawd. I'm saying, but I solid Kirk Cousins

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Speaker 1: maybe the starter going forward.

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Speaker 4: Expensive, but yeah, no, there's a couple of Marcus Mariota

635
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Speaker 4: was okay at times.

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Speaker 5: Anyways, all right, let's move on to the.

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Speaker 4: Houston Texans colin one of the hottest.

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00:32:24,680 --> 00:32:25,480
Speaker 5: Teams in the league.

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Speaker 4: Eight straight dubs for Demiico Ryans and company. Nice went over.

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Speaker 4: The Chargers kind of held on for victory. Remember they

641
00:32:31,880 --> 00:32:34,400
Speaker 4: started zero to three and they're headed to the playoffs.

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Speaker 5: They could win the division.

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Speaker 4: Demiko Ryans pinpointed the moment the season turned around.

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Speaker 7: Here we go, from my viewpoint, the turning point for

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Speaker 7: our entire season. I go back to our Jacksonville game.

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Speaker 7: All right, for us to be down as far as

647
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Speaker 7: as far as it were in that game and for

648
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Speaker 7: to have our backup quarterback, Davis Mills right to have

649
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Speaker 7: such a clutch performance to get us into a position

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Speaker 7: to win game. I feel like that's the game that

651
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Speaker 7: flipped our season and just showed us like no matter

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Speaker 7: what we're up against, no matter who's on the field,

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Speaker 7: we stay stay together, stay connected, like we can overcome anything.

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Speaker 1: He's young, how old is Demiko Ryans.

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Speaker 4: He's got younger than both of us. That's really all

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Speaker 4: the matters. But how about this for a young guy

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Speaker 4: first three years in the league. Him and Stroud are

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Speaker 4: going to the playoffs.

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Speaker 1: Oh pretty good. Not just that this was a bottom

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Speaker 1: three laughing stock in the league, that he's thirty one

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Speaker 1: years old. That dude's got his wits about him at

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Speaker 1: forty one, like Demiko is buttoned up at forty one.

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Speaker 1: That's a guy I'd want to play for. I mean,

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Speaker 1: that's one of the few defensive coaches. He's basically it's

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Speaker 1: Lebron forty one and Demiko Ryans.

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Speaker 4: Lebron's birthday today. We'll talk about that in like you know,

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Speaker 4: three minutes, Colin. Just as of now, based on the standings,

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Speaker 4: the Texans would go to Pittsburgh on the fast round.

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Speaker 1: Pittsburgh couldn't score.

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Speaker 5: That's I like him.

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Speaker 4: Now, if somehow Jacksonville slips against Tennessee and Houston gets

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Speaker 4: the three, they.

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Speaker 5: Would host the Chargers. That's still a great matchup for

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Speaker 5: the Texans.

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Speaker 1: Colin.

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Speaker 5: This is a dangerous team.

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Speaker 1: I mean I think they I think Houston matches up

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Speaker 1: with everybody.

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Speaker 4: So if we did a draft of teams that you

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Speaker 4: think would go to the Super Bowl out of the AFC.

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Speaker 5: I mean I'll give you first pick.

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Speaker 1: I mean my take. I think Jackson Devill take Denver.

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Speaker 5: They send the buye.

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Speaker 1: No, I mean New England, Houston and Jacksonville are a handful.

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Speaker 1: Denver is fascinating because they win a lot of close

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Speaker 1: games and they're great at home. So I mean we

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Speaker 1: keep we're glossing over this. Denver gets to play at

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Speaker 1: home the whole AFC playoffs. They've won twelve or thirteen

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Speaker 1: at home. They're great at home.

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Speaker 5: Okay, so Denver would do your pick? Is that what

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Speaker 5: you're saying?

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Speaker 4: Whatever, you're leaving Josh Allen on the board. The Houston

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Speaker 4: Texans defense.

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Speaker 1: Houston beats Buffalo three out of four times.

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Speaker 4: Jacksonville just went to Denver and smoked him by two tuddies.

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Speaker 1: Now wait, wait till you go back to Denver and

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Speaker 1: it's snowing and you bring your board shorts from Jacksonville

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Speaker 1: and it's seven degrees blowing sideways.

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Speaker 4: Did jackson Dark go up and down the field to

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Speaker 4: gain against I'm just telling this.

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Speaker 5: Denver defense is overrated. Big guy, just speak care I

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Speaker 5: know you're excited. Sean Payton blah, blah blah.

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Speaker 4: I don't know about those Denver Broncos. Finally, con let's

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Speaker 4: wrap up with as you alluded to, the birthday forty

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Speaker 4: one for the big guy, Lebron James.

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Speaker 5: Greatest player in NBA history.

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Speaker 4: JJ Reddick called it remarkable what Lebron's doing at forty one. Colin,

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Speaker 4: this is insane, Lebron. This is season twenty three. He's

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Speaker 4: averaging twenty points, six assists, four rebounds on fifty percent shooting.

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Speaker 4: I mean, what will This is insane. A lot of

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Speaker 4: guys have struck.

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Speaker 5: Around way too long. It's not too long for Lebron.

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Speaker 1: Well, I do think this is I do think this

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Speaker 1: should be his last year.

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Speaker 5: Boy, wait, hold on should be his last year? Or

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Speaker 5: you think it will be?

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Speaker 4: Because those are two he's not declining to the point

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Speaker 4: that he's like a negative on the court.

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Speaker 1: Well, let's be honest. In the next year, he's not

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Speaker 1: getting an extension, Brownie James, It's been a great story.

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Speaker 1: If Lebron left, Brownie's not necessary on the roster. The

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Speaker 1: former ownership has played in the Lebron. This ownership is

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Speaker 1: about JJ Reddick and Luca and maybe Austin Reeves. So

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Speaker 1: I think it's been a nice soft landing in La business. Browny,

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Speaker 1: I think it's gonna end. I think it's gonna end.

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Speaker 1: I think it's gonna end.

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Speaker 5: I largely agreed. Let me opposit a scenario.

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Speaker 4: The Lakers go to Lebron and say, Lebron, we can't

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Speaker 4: build a championship winning team with you at forty fifty million.

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Speaker 4: How low are you willing to go to stick around here? Well,

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Speaker 4: Lebron says, I'll play for the mid level exception, or

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Speaker 4: I'll play for a last four million years.

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Speaker 1: He's not doing that wide And Secondly, they have defensive issues.

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Speaker 1: One of them is Lebron. They get to switch this

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Speaker 1: roster up and go at athletes and three and D guys.

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Speaker 1: They don't have enough three guys and they got no

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Speaker 1: three and D guys, So he at this point he

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Speaker 1: gets in the way defensively, I mean, just does he?

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Speaker 1: Hurst They have plenty of offense, Austin Reeves, Luca and

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Speaker 1: DeAndre Ayden if you kept him. I'm not sure he

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Speaker 1: loves basketball, but whatever offense is not the issue. The

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Speaker 1: issue is defensively. They have holes, and I think Lebron's

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Speaker 1: one of them.

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Speaker 4: They just gotta get young Colin watching the Spurs and Thunder.

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Speaker 4: It's like, oh, young dudes running around.

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Speaker 1: Young guys, Niger Woods, Tiger Woods fifty today?

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Speaker 2: Who Tiger Woods.

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Speaker 5: I'm just kidding. Congrats J mckle the news, Well that's

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Speaker 5: the news, and thanks for stopping by the.

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Speaker 2: Herd Line News.

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Speaker 1: I think the coaching Tree is better than people think.

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Speaker 3: Next to Herd, be sure to catch live editions of

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Speaker 3: The Herd weekdays and Noone Eastern, non a em Pacific

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Speaker 3: on Fox Sports Radio FS one and the iHeartRadio app.

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Speaker 1: People say there's going to be seven eight job openings.

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Speaker 1: Are there any good coaches out there? And so I thought,

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Speaker 1: you know what, many of you still have the Christmas

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Speaker 1: tree up. In fact, I asked, and when are we

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Speaker 1: taking the Christmas Tree down? And I think Friday's the day.

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Speaker 1: So here's our coaching Christmas Tree. I think there's a

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Speaker 1: lot of interesting presence in this one. Let's start with

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Speaker 1: what I view as the top candidate. That would be

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Speaker 1: Brian Flores. Now he's got a lawsuit currently against the Giants,

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Speaker 1: Broncos and Dolphins, so he's not getting the Giants Dolphins job.

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Speaker 1: But I think he was nineteen and fourteen over two

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Speaker 1: seasons with the Dolphins, he has been as capable as

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Speaker 1: any coordinator. I think Brian Flores he's the start at

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Speaker 1: the top of the tree. I say Robert Sala. Number

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Speaker 1: thirteen scoring defense this year, having Fret Warner and a

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Speaker 1: Bosa has got to be on that coaching tree. Mike

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Speaker 1: McCarthy twelve winning seasons and twelve playoff appearances has to

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Speaker 1: be on that coaching tree. Jesse Mentor, the defense was

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Speaker 1: the worst in the league. It's been number three in

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Speaker 1: the two years since he arrived after winning a Natty

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Speaker 1: with Harvad Michigan. Jeff Hafley, he's been a head coach

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Speaker 1: before Boston College, so he gets that. Not a guy

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Speaker 1: that wants to spotlight Halfley's really bright.

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Speaker 4: You know.

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Speaker 1: He lost Micah Parsons and Kenny Clark in a trade

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Speaker 1: That's not easy. But they have a top ten scoring

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Speaker 1: defense and the Green Bay historically doesn't do defense like

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Speaker 1: the new offense. And Brian Daball, who worked under Sabin

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Speaker 1: and Belichick, also won Coach of the Year in New York,

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Speaker 1: won a playoff game with Daniel Jones. I would keep

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Speaker 1: your eye on an interesting present that has not been

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Speaker 1: unwrapped yet. Ryan Day, Eagles and forty nine Ers assistant.

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Speaker 1: It's probably a year away from being open. But what

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Speaker 1: if he wins back to back Natties, He's conquered college football,

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Speaker 1: wants to take the next big career. Leap Flores, Salom McCarthy,

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Speaker 1: Mentor Halfley, Dave Ball, Ryan Day. I'd have no trouble

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Speaker 1: hiring any of these guys this year or next with

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Speaker 1: the Miami now. I also think that Kevin Stefanski should

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Speaker 1: keep his job in Cleveland. I think it's ridiculous. Hopefully

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Speaker 1: that went over Pittsburgh maintains the leadership between the GM

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Speaker 1: Andrew Berry and Kevin Stefanski. But I actually think there's

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Speaker 1: some really interesting coaches. Jeff Hafley was a head coach

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Speaker 1: at Boston College and said I want to go to

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Speaker 1: the next level and has crushed it. You know, it's

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Speaker 1: interesting that you'd give up Boston College money for coordinator money.

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Speaker 1: But the NFL coordinators now probably make as much as

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Speaker 1: a Boston College coach. I wonder if we see that

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Speaker 1: going for it. Chip Kelly said, I don't want to

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Speaker 1: be the coach at UCLA. I'm going to be a

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Speaker 1: coordinator at Ohio State and he won a national championship.

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Speaker 1: So that's interesting. Are you going to see some of

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Speaker 1: these college coaches at lower tier programs like BC say,

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Speaker 1: you know, we can't compete in the nil world. I'm

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Speaker 1: going to go be a coordinator at college for two

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Speaker 1: or three years with a stable operation. Green Bay certainly that,

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Speaker 1: and then I become a head coach. Jeff Hafley maybe

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Speaker 1: what a lot of coaches are seeing out there, like

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Speaker 1: why plan the nil world at Purdue? Go be a

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Speaker 1: coordinator with Demico Ryans in Houston or a you know,

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Speaker 1: like a high level guy like a Rabel in New England,

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Speaker 1: and then do it for two or three years and

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Speaker 1: become a head coach.

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Speaker 4: Colin I'll just ask Halfley has been good with Michael Parsons.

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Speaker 4: I mean the Ravens ran up what three hundred yards

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Speaker 4: on the ground right as soon as mikel goes out

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Speaker 4: last week with a backup quarterback.

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Speaker 5: I'm sorry.

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Speaker 4: You know, it's just an uninspiring list of candidates this year.

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Speaker 4: There's just not anybody great. I mean, Brian Floores at

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Speaker 4: the top. What's up with his lawsuit against the NFL?

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Speaker 4: How's that working out? Like I remember The Giants were

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Speaker 4: so serious about him that you know they interviewed also

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Speaker 4: Brian Dable and ended up picking Dable. Remember the whole

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Speaker 4: Belichick texting thing like I don't I don't think anybody's

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Speaker 4: touching floor as yet. Sounds like O'Connell thinks he's coming back.

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Speaker 4: It's just not a great year to fire your coach.

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Speaker 1: Mike McCarthy.

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Speaker 5: He's not doing a rebuild, though, is he. He's not

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Speaker 5: taking the Jets.

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Speaker 1: They got no quarterback, not college rebuild called free agent money.

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Speaker 1: Keep your eye on Ryan Day.