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Speaker 1: They're happy Thursday, and welcome to another episode of the

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Speaker 1: Chuck Podcast. Yes, I am still on the road, coming

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Speaker 1: to you from Dell Boca Vista. Sorry that was just

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Speaker 1: a little shout out to my Seinfeld friends there I'm

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Speaker 1: coming from. Actually, technically I'm staying in Deerfield Beach, but

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Speaker 1: I just spoke on campus at Florida Atlantic University. I'll

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Speaker 1: be speaking to their Jupiter campus tomorrow. It's been a

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Speaker 1: couple of days at Fau and I have to just say,

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Speaker 1: it's just it just makes me so happy watching all

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Speaker 1: of these Florida universities grow as successfully as they've grown,

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Speaker 1: you know, being a Floridian and being in the press

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Speaker 1: over the last twenty years. You know, look, we all

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Speaker 1: have our own state pride. And you know, I know

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Speaker 1: people like to rag on Florida man and this or that,

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Speaker 1: and but you know, and you know, I grew up

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Speaker 1: in all of you know, I grew up in Miami,

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Speaker 1: and you know, Miami has taken its share of lumps.

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Speaker 1: You know, gets people take pot shots at it. People

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Speaker 1: take pot shots at Florida. But you know, when you're

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Speaker 1: people like to take pot shots at New York. New

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Speaker 1: Yorkers take pride in New York. Right. People take pot

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Speaker 1: shots at Mississippi. Those that live in Mississippi take a

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Speaker 1: lot of pride and being from Mississippi. And of course

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Speaker 1: what we will say is you don't get to trash

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Speaker 2: Only we do.

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Speaker 1: On this. But I just I've just marveled at how

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Speaker 1: much how many of these universities have grown. You know,

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Speaker 1: what it was basically you know, a four university, you know,

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Speaker 1: three universities, you know, dominated everything Miami, Florida, Florida State,

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Speaker 1: USF and UCF have been around a while, FAU FIU UWF,

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Speaker 1: but over the last thirty years they've gone from commuter universities,

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Speaker 1: So it's and I'm not just saying nice things that

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Speaker 1: and it's you know, what's and what's great about South

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Speaker 1: I think that Christy Nome's tenure might be he measured

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Speaker 1: She still has a job today. But you know, Donald

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Speaker 1: Trump is a reactive to public opinion. He's reactive to

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Speaker 1: and it is it is interest. Now. Look, there's a

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Speaker 1: almost out of defiance. Right. I always say he's he's

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Speaker 1: He's got the emotional IQ of a thirteen year old,

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Speaker 1: be Donald Trump at all times. Right, You're never sure

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Speaker 1: got presidential ambitions and it's he's and she's not somebody

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Speaker 1: next in the MAGA movement, check right, here's a box.

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Speaker 1: She's unpopular with pretty much everybody at the moment, Democrats

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Speaker 1: it ain't ever going to be Steven Miller. Stephen Miller

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Speaker 1: I think he views Miller as the you know, I've

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Speaker 1: secret sauce he's capable. You know. If Miller's as as

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Speaker 1: But there was a principle of what Cheney wanted. He

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Speaker 1: same skill set that Dick Cheney has, except his motivation

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Speaker 1: seems to be you know, he seems to be more

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Speaker 1: all got a conservative vision or is he just a reactionary?

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Speaker 1: Is he really just driven by owning the Libs? I

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Speaker 2: So I do think he.

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Speaker 1: I don't quite you know, I don't know that he

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Speaker 1: doesn't strike me as a small government guy. He doesn't

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Speaker 1: what he says. But he has the trust of the President,

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Speaker 1: She went out of her way for this performative theatrics

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Speaker 1: and this is and it is. I do think Trump's

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Speaker 2: And the thing that could get.

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Speaker 1: Her, the thing that could get her are.

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Speaker 2: Bad poll numbers.

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Speaker 1: And guess what. There is one thing you know, We

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Speaker 1: You know, he's only got two issues where his approval

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Speaker 1: They separate them out because on border security, when you

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Speaker 1: it's seventy one percent to aggressive. Among Republicans it's twenty

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Speaker 1: seven percent too aggressive. Okay, so this is another one

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Speaker 1: of those where he's not in the eighties or nineties

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Speaker 1: on something, and that's when you know it's a problem.

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Speaker 1: Here's the thing. In July of twenty twenty five, when

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Speaker 1: they ask these questions about Ice Republicans, you had only

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Speaker 1: seventeen percent of publicans thought it was too aggressive. So

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Speaker 1: that's jumped ten points in six months. Obviously, you might say,

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Speaker 1: well they just asked it after Ice killed to American citizens. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: you're going to have some impact there, even among supposedly

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Speaker 1: core Republican supporters. What's interesting on this is they broke

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Speaker 1: it down even further. There are parts of the president's

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Speaker 1: base who now think by bigger numbers that Ice has

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Speaker 1: been too aggressive. So among Republican women it was sixteen

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Speaker 1: percent in July, it's now thirty percent onto the two

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Speaker 1: aggressive numbers. Among Trump voters, seventeen percent in twenty twenty

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Speaker 1: five was too aggressive, Twenty six percent say now it's

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Speaker 1: too aggressive. Mung independence and went from forty nine to

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Speaker 1: seventy one. Moderates fifty one to seventy whites without a

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Speaker 1: college degree. This is one of the key demographic groups

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Speaker 1: in the Trump coalition. Forty one percent called it too aggressive.

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Speaker 1: In July twenty twenty five, a majority fifty five percent

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Speaker 1: say it's now too aggressive. This is why if I

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Speaker 1: were Christino and I turn on Fox News and I

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Speaker 1: see them constantly showing these bad poll numbers for ICE.

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Speaker 1: In fact, support for abolishing ICE has doubled since twenty

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Speaker 1: eighteen and twenty eighteen, eighteen percent favored polishing ICE. Now

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Speaker 1: it's up to thirty six percent. It's mostly driven by Democrats,

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Speaker 1: but that number has doubled. ICE's reputation has gotten worse.

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Speaker 1: And whose fault is that? Ultimately, I think it's it's

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Speaker 1: the president's policy. It's designed by Stephen Miller. But I'm

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Speaker 1: telling you you got to think about this the way

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Speaker 1: Trump is going to process that. He's going to look

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Speaker 1: at this and say, huh, who's in charge of ICE?

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Speaker 1: Not me? She is. And as anybody has known, you

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Speaker 1: talk to anybody that has worked with Donald Trump, going

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Speaker 1: all the way back to the Trump Organization in nineteen

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Speaker 1: seventy two and in conjunction with a journalistic friend of mine,

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Speaker 1: a few years back, we spent a lot of time

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Speaker 1: for a big project talking to people who were in

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Speaker 1: Trump's inner circle over the years. You know, you had

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Speaker 1: New York inner circle in the seventies, you had the

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Speaker 1: New Jersey inner circle, in the eighties, the TV inter circle,

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Speaker 1: folks in the ots and in the nineties. Anyway, here's

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Speaker 1: the pattern. He basically got a new inner circle about

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Speaker 1: every six to eight years, and he always it always

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Speaker 1: ended badly, right, there was never there was. In fact,

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Speaker 1: Roger Stone might be the only person that was sort

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Speaker 1: of in his inner circle in the eighties. That's still

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Speaker 1: kind of welcome. Now. Nobody else is right, nobody ever

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Speaker 1: sticks around because Trump's never going to take the blame.

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Speaker 1: He will always find someone else to blame. And he's

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Speaker 1: done that over the years that he ends up alienating

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Speaker 1: his inner circle at some point one or the other

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Speaker 1: or blaming his inner circle. And so the pattern is

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Speaker 1: what the pattern is. A lot of this will be

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Speaker 1: dependent on the tone and tenor of how Fox reports

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Speaker 1: this poll. I think if they report this poll a

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Speaker 1: certain way, Christy nom will not be the HS secretary

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Speaker 1: by Monday morning. But if they bury it right, if

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Speaker 1: you know, if it doesn't get the attention on the

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Speaker 1: cable channel. Maybe she survives, but I I think here's

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Speaker 1: the other thing. Nome's other problem. She is nobody in

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Speaker 1: the nobody in the Republican Senate that gives two shits

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Speaker 1: about her, right, you know. J. Powell has supporters in there.

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Speaker 1: There's certain people that maybe Trump would like the fire

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Speaker 1: and hasn't because they have a constituency, a Republican constituency,

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Speaker 1: either in the House or the Senate. Christina has no constituency.

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Speaker 1: That's what makes her so vulnerable at this moment. May

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Speaker 1: not happen because Trump doesn't like to quote, you know,

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Speaker 1: he doesn't in some case don't want to feed the beast.

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Speaker 1: But I don't know. I wouldn't. I wouldn't answer any

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Speaker 1: calls or take any you know. But then again, my

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Speaker 1: guess is if it happens, it happens in a truth

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Speaker 1: social post. When it does, all right, very quickly, I

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Speaker 1: just want to give you guys a little rundown of

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Speaker 1: what I did. I just sort of walk you through

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Speaker 1: my introduction of what the speech is, and hey, if

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Speaker 1: you like what you heard, we can we can do

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Speaker 1: more of this. But I sort of previewed it this way.

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Speaker 1: I said, Look, I wasn't there to give a lecture.

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Speaker 1: Wasn't about telling you what should be. I wasn't there

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Speaker 1: for a therapy session. I wasn't there to do a

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Speaker 1: political rally. I was there to try to tackle three

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Speaker 1: basic questions, where are we right now? How did we

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Speaker 1: get here? And how do we make sure we don't

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Speaker 1: stay here? And I said, I wasn't going to sit

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Speaker 1: here and just try to blame all of our problems

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Speaker 1: on one person. And then I was going to say

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Speaker 1: things weren't simple, So I laid it out much of it.

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Speaker 1: You devoted listeners, you've heard me on some of these

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Speaker 1: things that you know. One of the things that I

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Speaker 1: like to make clear when I have an opportunity with

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Speaker 1: a large audience is just sort of, you know, try

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Speaker 1: to give people a little bit of a history lesson.

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Speaker 1: And you know, one of the big points I like

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Speaker 1: to make is that that the era that most of us,

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Speaker 1: especially the people that were in that audience and you

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Speaker 1: know they're you know, my age or older, essentially is

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Speaker 1: we may have grown up in an outlier era of

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Speaker 1: American history. And the point being that our natural state

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Speaker 1: as Americans is polarization. That this might be more of

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Speaker 1: a natural state rather than an unusual state. Now it

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Speaker 1: feels unusual to us because we grew up in this

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Speaker 1: during the Cold War. Well, it turns out the Cold

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Speaker 1: War really sort of kept us sort of. The Cold

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Speaker 1: War served a set of moderating guardrails. You know. One

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Speaker 1: of the points I make is that, like you know,

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Speaker 1: the two times during the Cold War that each party

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Speaker 1: went and let its base make the presidential nominating decision

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Speaker 1: just massive landslides, very Goldwater sixty four, George McGovern seventy two.

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Speaker 1: But those two landslides right by the way, they were

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Speaker 1: landslides against people that two presidents that were not beloved

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Speaker 1: at the time, neither LBJ or Nixon. But it was

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Speaker 1: more out of fear that whoa whoa whoa gold both

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Speaker 1: Goldwater and McGovern. There were enough people convince you know,

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Speaker 1: they're going to manage the Cold War differently, and we're

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Speaker 1: doing okay so far. You know, we got it. We

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Speaker 1: can't we can't risk, we can't risk capitulating to the

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Speaker 1: to the Russians, or picking a fight with either way.

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Speaker 1: You know, Goldwater made people think we were more likely

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Speaker 1: to get into a war with the Soviets and government

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Speaker 1: looked like he was going to capitulate too much of that.

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Speaker 1: Either way, we didn't want either one of that. But

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Speaker 1: those two elections were stuffed in between three of the

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Speaker 1: closest elections of the twentieth century, sixty sixty eight and

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Speaker 1: seventy six. The point being is when the parties basically

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Speaker 1: stayed in their main stream and the quote unquote politics

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Speaker 1: stopped at the water's edge type of mindset that everybody

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Speaker 1: was kind of in the same boat.

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Speaker 2: It it kept either part.

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Speaker 1: From nominating anybody from sort of the minority wing of

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Speaker 1: their party, right the nationalist wing with the with the

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Speaker 1: with the Republicans, and the progressive or socialist wing of

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Speaker 1: the Democrats. Then the Cold War ends, and literally within

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Speaker 1: it's it's less than an election cycle that we get

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Speaker 1: the nationalist wing of the of the Republican Party popping

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Speaker 1: back up with the Pat Buchanan election.

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Speaker 2: So it's it.

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Speaker 1: So that's always like step one of what I do

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Speaker 1: in these talks is try to sort of because it's

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Speaker 1: it a line share of the audience, you know, grew

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Speaker 1: up very simple, you know, in the Cold War, and

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Speaker 1: it just our Cold War and I think, you know,

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Speaker 1: I've had to do this over the last ten years.

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Speaker 1: Is unlearned so many political so much of the political

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Speaker 1: analysis that I knew to be true through the prism

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Speaker 1: of the Cold War mindset, the Cold War influenced electorate,

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Speaker 1: and how much that's changing. I mean, six of our

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Speaker 1: first seven presidential elections in this century have been decided

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Speaker 1: by five points or less. We only had five in

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Speaker 1: the entire twentieth century, right, which essentially two thirds of

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Speaker 1: that century was either a global war, hot war or

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Speaker 1: a Cold war. But our politics today looks a lot

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Speaker 1: more like the nineteenth century, both either pre Civil War

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Speaker 1: or post Civil War. But it feels very similar. The

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Speaker 1: divides are similar, the arguments are similar. Who's an American?

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Speaker 1: Who gets to be an American? And so's it's sort

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Speaker 1: of I do that because I think, I think it's

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Speaker 1: I know what it does for me. It helps to

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Speaker 1: ground me. And like youll, look, man, we've been We've

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Speaker 1: we've been in far worse places. You know, the voters

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Speaker 1: eventually figure it out. Trust the voters to figure this out.

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Speaker 1: And then the other big point I want to make

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Speaker 1: is is, you know, we sit here and we're so

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Speaker 1: preoccupied with the presidency and you know, either we put

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Speaker 1: too much on the presidency in different ways, and it's

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Speaker 1: simply because of the failure of Congress, right, I mean,

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Speaker 1: and you know, so the more I the more I

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Speaker 1: talk about how broken that essentially Congress is, the is

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Speaker 1: patient zero here, although patient makes it feel like they're victim.

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Speaker 1: Like you know, Congress is at the root of all

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Speaker 1: of our biggest complaints about the democracy. Right. Why does

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Speaker 1: the democracy feel more distant from voters than ever before

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Speaker 1: because the House stopped expanding, right it is and be

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Speaker 1: further away. Why do we have so much gerrymandering and

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Speaker 1: transactionalism because Congress is so factionalized. Every congressional district is gerrymandered.

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Speaker 1: You know, everybody is trying to sort of lock in

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Speaker 1: power rather than letting the people's house be the people's house. Right.

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Speaker 1: And and then of course, in order to keep power,

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Speaker 1: they have tried to punt controversial decisions. So Congress doesn't

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Speaker 1: you know, doesn't get involved in women's reproductive rights when

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Speaker 1: arguably it should be that we should have legislation, it

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Speaker 1: should be codified into law, but Congress won't touch it, right,

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Speaker 1: So instead it goes to the courts. Congress wouldn't desegregate

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Speaker 1: the schools. The courts had to do it right, and

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Speaker 1: so it Congress is dereliction of duty. Has empowered presidents

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Speaker 1: and made the executive branch much too powerful than it

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Speaker 1: should be. It is then forced activists, since they can't

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Speaker 1: get any relief from Congress. They've got They spent a

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Speaker 1: generation going to the courts. So what did Congress do

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Speaker 1: to the courts? They politicize the courts? Right, Our courts

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Speaker 1: are more politicized today because of decisions Congress may to

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Speaker 1: lower the threshold to partisanize all of our judges. So,

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Speaker 1: you know, I usually have you know, I'm always I'm hopeful,

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Speaker 1: and then I do my riff on local media, which

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Speaker 1: you've heard me say, and how we've sort of forgotten

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Speaker 1: service journalism, and then you know, I put my ideas

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Speaker 1: out there of what I'd like to see the change,

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Speaker 1: getting rid of partisan primaries, things like that. But the

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Speaker 1: biggest thing is we're not going to get out of this,

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Speaker 1: and this was my enlargerment. We're not going to get

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Speaker 1: out of this until Congress figures realizes it. It is.

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Speaker 1: It is Article one the Constitution for a reason, and

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Speaker 1: Congress without having to add constitutional amendments, if they could

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Speaker 1: do their job, could bring some accountability back, whether it's

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Speaker 1: to politicians, to government agencies, or to corporate boardrooms. You know,

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Speaker 1: if we look where we need a constitutional amendment is

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Speaker 1: on money in politics, right, If the courts are going

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Speaker 1: to rule equate money and speech, then the only way

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Speaker 1: you're going to be able to put limits is create

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Speaker 1: a constitutional amendment. So there're gonna be some things that

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Speaker 1: we need constitucial livement. It may be that we need

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Speaker 1: a constitutional amendment to force the House of Representatives to

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Speaker 1: be the people's house. So I think we may need

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Speaker 1: to say no congressional district can be any bigger than

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Speaker 1: point three percent of the population, which if you put

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Speaker 1: it right now, that would put us somewhere about one

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Speaker 1: per four hundred thousand. So it would double the size

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Speaker 1: of the house. And you've doubled the size of the house.

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Speaker 1: You no longer have a a electoral college problem. You've

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Speaker 1: minimized the jerrymander. Probably know, by the way, you may

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Speaker 1: have brought the government a bit closer to the people,

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Speaker 1: which was the intent of the founders. And if you're

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Speaker 1: on the conservative side of the island, consider yourself a

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Speaker 1: textualists or constitutionalists. That should be music to your ears.

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Speaker 2: So that's.

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Speaker 1: That's the spirit with which I like to do some

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Speaker 1: of these talks when I am invited to do it.

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Speaker 1: Do a little bit of news of the day and

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Speaker 1: some other things like that, but the bigger stuff and

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Speaker 1: ultimately we can't. You know, the other message I have

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Speaker 1: is we citizens have our work to do. You know,

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Speaker 1: I'm working in the media space to try to build

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Speaker 1: a better information ecosystem. Now there's some things that we

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Speaker 1: can't fix as journalists, right the tech algorithms, things like that.

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Speaker 1: That's what our members of Congress have to do. But

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Speaker 1: hope that some senator is going to vote to impede

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Speaker 1: convict in an impeachment inquiry. Don't hope that impeachment is going

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Speaker 1: to be a magical solution, or that the twenty fifth

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Speaker 1: Amendment is going to be the only way we get

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Speaker 1: out of this. Is you, the voters, have to decide

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Speaker 1: to take us out of this. Look, the other thing

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Speaker 1: we all have to realize is is and you know,

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Speaker 1: one of the things that sometimes we forget the following

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Speaker 1: The voters have been sending a primal scream that they

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Speaker 1: want they want better government, and they want a more

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Speaker 1: in back to back presidencies, the American electorate did something

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Speaker 1: it had never done before, and they did it to

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Speaker 1: presidencies in a row. One was elect a minority to

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Speaker 1: the American president. We'd never done that before. And then

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Speaker 1: the very next new president we elect is the single

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Speaker 1: no military experience, no public service experience whatsoever. Some of

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Speaker 1: the same voters voted for both of them. It was

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Speaker 1: a primal screen. We want a different direction, we want

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Speaker 1: real change. And folks don't know that. They didn't necessarily

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Speaker 1: primal screen. But I don't think we fully appreciate that

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Speaker 1: we did. What. You know, you may not like what

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Speaker 1: like what they did in the other. It all depends

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Speaker 1: It's Thursday, right, Let's let's get through something. Ask chuck. First,

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Speaker 1: one comes from JP says, hey, check, I have two

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Speaker 1: solid questions for you, all right, you've already graded your

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Speaker 1: own questions, JP, I appreciate it. One, I love vip Okay,

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Speaker 1: who do you think in real life Mike McClintock is

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Speaker 1: based on interesting that's the press secretary of Matt Walsh's

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Speaker 1: character there, all right? And then two is the Native

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Speaker 1: American population across all states a viable voting block both

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Speaker 1: parties are under investing in could they shift election results best? JP? Okay.

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Speaker 1: First question, we got to remember when it was written,

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Speaker 1: press secretaries at that time? So, right, this is an

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Speaker 1: early Oughts and so you had, you know, different models

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Speaker 1: of press secretaries. You had Mike McCurry, you know, was

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Speaker 1: Clinton press world when he was the one having to

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Speaker 1: every day during the Lewinsky scandal, and how McCurry somehow

752
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Speaker 1: was always praised for how he could avoid answering certain questions.

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Speaker 1: Ari Fleischer was Bush's guy at the podium right in

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Speaker 1: the first term, certainly during nine to eleven. So you know,

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Speaker 1: my guess is they are sort of that the writers,

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Speaker 1: Although I never asked specifically, But you know you're going

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Speaker 1: to model off of what you've seen and what you

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Speaker 1: know the public has seen. So my guess is based

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Speaker 1: on when it was when that when the when this

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Speaker 1: show was first conceived. So I'm gonna go with with

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Speaker 1: Mike McCurry, Ari Fleischer, and then maybe a little Robert Gibbs,

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Speaker 1: who could be snarky from the podium. Like mcclint talk

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Speaker 1: to Gibbs one time, and Robert's a good friend. I've

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Speaker 1: known him thirty years. You know, poor poor guy is

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Speaker 1: an Auburn football fan. So I kind of feel sorry

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Speaker 1: for my Auburn football football fans. It sucks being the

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Speaker 1: you know, always in the shadow of Bama. So it's

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Speaker 1: the one sec school I have a little soft spot for.

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Speaker 1: Plus I have too many members of my extended family.

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Speaker 1: You were Auburn Auburn folks, So yeah, I I So.

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Speaker 1: One time Robert and I got into it and.

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Speaker 2: He decided to broadcast my.

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Speaker 1: Email at one of the press briefings. So it was

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Speaker 1: the first time that my email went everywhere on the internet.

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Speaker 1: You know, I didn't care. I'm like, I'm a journalist. Hey,

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Speaker 1: I'm supposed to be an extension of the public. You

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Speaker 1: want to find me, never hit my email address. But

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Speaker 1: he could. He enjoyed his time at the podium every

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Speaker 1: now and then. He didn't mind being the star of

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Speaker 1: that TV show a little bit. Neither did Mike Recurry,

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Speaker 1: neither did Arri Fleischer most anyway. But that's where my

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Speaker 1: guests is there. As for the Native American population, it

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Speaker 1: depends in the state right there is it is. It

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Speaker 1: can be a significant voting block in the Dakota's in

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Speaker 1: close elections. It can be a significant source of money.

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Speaker 1: In Oklahoma. The tribes there have the casino businesses there,

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Speaker 1: and they're quite well and they've been a huge some

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Speaker 1: Basically it's they're the check on the Republican Party in Oklahoma.

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Speaker 1: You know, they'll recruit candates and fund candidates and stuff.

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Speaker 1: So certainly their money there. Arizona, there's the first congressional

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Speaker 1: district has a significant Native American population that that can

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Speaker 1: can swing that seat. But you know, the thing is,

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Speaker 1: it's not there isn't It is hard to And obviously

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Speaker 1: New Mexico as a big a lot of times there

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Speaker 1: are very parochial issues that motivates some of the Native

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Speaker 1: American voters. Some of it could be very local, could

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Speaker 1: be specific issues with the federal government, with the Bureau

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Speaker 1: of Land Management, which is, you know who they the

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Speaker 1: these sovereign territories. So I do think that when Democrats

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Speaker 1: You know, one could argue Tim Johnson one. You know,

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Speaker 1: in South Dakota. So there are certainly instances where it's

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Speaker 1: been a significant vote, but it's it's when it's already

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Speaker 1: they've mattered some and in general in some of these

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Speaker 1: places they lean Democratic. But it's not always the case.

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Speaker 1: You know, sometimes there's just a very specific issue that

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Speaker 1: times they'll be voting blocks that you know, the leaders

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Speaker 1: of the tribe might say, look, this party is going

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Speaker 1: to do is going to manage this better for us.

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Speaker 1: So you may not like this person, but this is

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Speaker 1: what we need here. So I so, I don't know

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Speaker 1: if I would call it under investing either party, but

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Speaker 1: I do know that in a financial sense, they're quite powerful,

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Speaker 1: quite powerful in Oklahom, actually quite powerful here in state

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Speaker 1: And so it's a it's a pretty powerful political group,

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Speaker 1: but it not necessarily high in numbers. All right. Next

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Speaker 1: question comes from Brad. He says, love the pod. What

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Speaker 1: signs should we look for that Republicans believe they'll lose

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Speaker 1: control of the Senate. For me, the obvious one would

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Speaker 1: be if the public pressure ramps up on Alito and

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Speaker 1: or Thomas to retire. Thanks for all the great work

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Speaker 1: you do, best, Brad, Brad, I think that's a terrific

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Speaker 1: way to look at it. I I think that coming.

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Speaker 1: I think you're gonna see that. If I were John Thune,

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Speaker 1: I absolutely would like to have the summer dominated by

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Speaker 1: a Supreme Court. And one could argue that the twenty

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Speaker 1: eighteen midterms would have been worse for Trump because he'd

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Speaker 1: Senate if it wasn't for the Kavanaugh nomination that summer.

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Speaker 1: I mean, Claire McCaskill will tell you she believes the

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Speaker 1: the Kavanaugh nomination cost her her race. That you know,

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Speaker 1: she was making progress, that she had a winnable race,

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Speaker 1: and then when Kavanaugh became the cause celeb for the right,

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Speaker 1: I think it's about the I think this is more

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Speaker 1: Then then sending checks, which is Trump's other instinct here

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Speaker 1: to try to fix his mid term problems. Well, let

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Speaker 1: me just write people checks that'll make them happy. But

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Speaker 1: it you know, this may not come from Trump, but

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Speaker 1: you know the stories are I you know, you hear

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Speaker 1: there's been whispers already that the Alito's tired of of

855
00:54:25,520 --> 00:54:29,239
Speaker 1: sort of the didn't like being a political target during

856
00:54:29,239 --> 00:54:36,719
Speaker 1: that whole flag business. And you know Thomas Thomas is

857
00:54:36,760 --> 00:54:40,840
Speaker 1: ready to drive that RV around the country. So I

858
00:54:41,960 --> 00:54:47,000
Speaker 1: you know, wouldn't. I'm not going to be shocked if

859
00:54:47,040 --> 00:54:54,040
Speaker 1: both of them come open this summer. But I think,

860
00:54:54,320 --> 00:54:56,520
Speaker 1: you know, that's if they really put it this way,

861
00:54:56,600 --> 00:54:58,440
Speaker 1: you want to talk about a measurement, if they really

862
00:54:58,440 --> 00:55:01,680
Speaker 1: think they could lose it. All is if they both

863
00:55:01,719 --> 00:55:05,880
Speaker 1: decide to retire and give Trump too, which should just

864
00:55:05,920 --> 00:55:09,880
Speaker 1: be shocking. Right, five Supreme Court justices in two terms,

865
00:55:10,280 --> 00:55:13,520
Speaker 1: If you pull that up, I'm trying to think of

866
00:55:13,560 --> 00:55:21,440
Speaker 1: what other signs. You know, look, Susan Collins still has

867
00:55:21,480 --> 00:55:29,360
Speaker 1: not filed for reelection. She's head of appropriations. If she

868
00:55:29,520 --> 00:55:35,440
Speaker 1: doesn't file for reelection. Nobody walks away from appropriations if

869
00:55:35,440 --> 00:55:38,440
Speaker 1: they think they're going to have the gavel again. So

870
00:55:39,040 --> 00:55:41,800
Speaker 1: that's that's among the ewers. That's you know, we're a

871
00:55:41,800 --> 00:55:44,920
Speaker 1: few weeks away yet, but that filing deadline's coming up.

872
00:55:45,160 --> 00:55:47,120
Speaker 1: So there's another little deadline.

873
00:55:49,280 --> 00:55:51,240
Speaker 2: All right. It's my man, Austin from Austin.

874
00:55:51,239 --> 00:55:53,920
Speaker 1: Anywright, say send say the viral photo of the dress

875
00:55:54,239 --> 00:55:56,320
Speaker 1: blue and black to some white and gold others feels

876
00:55:56,320 --> 00:55:58,200
Speaker 1: like the perfect metaphor from politics today. You know what

877
00:55:58,320 --> 00:56:01,560
Speaker 1: it really does? That's a great one. Nice poll, Austin.

878
00:56:01,840 --> 00:56:04,200
Speaker 1: We've always seen different risks and priorities, but now feels

879
00:56:04,239 --> 00:56:06,279
Speaker 1: like we can't even agree. We're looking at the same thing.

880
00:56:06,400 --> 00:56:08,920
Speaker 1: Disagreement is fine, but democracy depends on a shared reality.

881
00:56:09,280 --> 00:56:11,239
Speaker 1: So I still see a white and gold dress? Do

882
00:56:11,280 --> 00:56:15,920
Speaker 1: you see a dress at all? Now? It's whatever the

883
00:56:16,320 --> 00:56:21,000
Speaker 1: Lord algorithm has shoved in front of me, right, So.

884
00:56:23,520 --> 00:56:23,920
Speaker 2: I don't know.

885
00:56:24,040 --> 00:56:26,359
Speaker 1: I guess, you know, let me go back to where

886
00:56:26,400 --> 00:56:31,480
Speaker 1: I started this podcast today. You know, we talk about

887
00:56:31,520 --> 00:56:35,840
Speaker 1: our fragmented society, but I feel like everybody feels like

888
00:56:35,880 --> 00:56:40,120
Speaker 1: they saw the same thing in Minneapolis. Maybe not everybody

889
00:56:40,160 --> 00:56:43,920
Speaker 1: saw the same thing with the Renee Good killing at

890
00:56:43,920 --> 00:56:49,520
Speaker 1: the beginning, but now they do. So, you know, for

891
00:56:49,880 --> 00:56:52,520
Speaker 1: for all of them, for all of the all of

892
00:56:52,640 --> 00:56:57,799
Speaker 1: our concerns about do we have a shared reality? Those

893
00:56:57,880 --> 00:57:03,840
Speaker 1: poll numbers. I don't know about you, but you know

894
00:57:04,640 --> 00:57:07,160
Speaker 1: it's when I'm not with the majority on something that

895
00:57:07,280 --> 00:57:09,239
Speaker 1: I start wondering what am I missing? What am I

896
00:57:09,360 --> 00:57:17,280
Speaker 1: not seeing? You know, I don't think we're alone here.

897
00:57:17,320 --> 00:57:19,840
Speaker 1: I think we all see the instability. We all see

898
00:57:19,880 --> 00:57:23,240
Speaker 1: the lack of focus. You know, they're supporters of his

899
00:57:23,560 --> 00:57:25,720
Speaker 1: who are saying he needs to focus more on the economy.

900
00:57:26,840 --> 00:57:29,000
Speaker 1: You know, they won't say it out loud that he's

901
00:57:29,120 --> 00:57:33,280
Speaker 1: making us less secure by this unstable mess that he's

902
00:57:33,320 --> 00:57:37,840
Speaker 1: created around the world, but they're kind of implying it

903
00:57:38,880 --> 00:57:40,560
Speaker 1: by saying he needs focus more on the economy.

904
00:57:40,640 --> 00:57:44,560
Speaker 2: So I take your point. I think you're right.

905
00:57:47,480 --> 00:57:49,640
Speaker 1: As far as how debates go on social media and

906
00:57:50,000 --> 00:57:52,920
Speaker 1: how the conversation can sound sometimes on the floor of

907
00:57:52,960 --> 00:57:56,200
Speaker 1: the House of the Florida Senate. But the public's reaction

908
00:57:57,160 --> 00:58:01,320
Speaker 1: to this presidency right now and the poll numbers, if

909
00:58:01,360 --> 00:58:06,200
Speaker 1: we all weren't seeing the same thing, then he'd be

910
00:58:06,280 --> 00:58:12,560
Speaker 1: doing better. In the poet, I think, I think our

911
00:58:12,640 --> 00:58:15,040
Speaker 1: reality we're seeing more of the same things than we

912
00:58:15,160 --> 00:58:18,040
Speaker 1: maybe give ourselves credit for. All right, next question comes

913
00:58:18,040 --> 00:58:20,720
Speaker 1: from Drew A writes, do you say connection between rising

914
00:58:20,760 --> 00:58:23,800
Speaker 1: economic inequality and affordability pressures at home and the growing

915
00:58:23,880 --> 00:58:27,800
Speaker 1: isolation is sentiment among Americans? Short term economic downterms tend

916
00:58:27,840 --> 00:58:30,440
Speaker 1: to affect the party in power the political weather, but

917
00:58:30,760 --> 00:58:33,120
Speaker 1: is what we're seeing more of a longer term climate

918
00:58:33,200 --> 00:58:36,280
Speaker 1: shift as those pressures hit millennials and gen z harder.

919
00:58:36,320 --> 00:58:38,520
Speaker 1: Do you expect that inward turn to intensify and what

920
00:58:38,560 --> 00:58:40,160
Speaker 1: would that mean for you as form policyive for the

921
00:58:40,200 --> 00:58:43,720
Speaker 1: next decade. Thanks for all that you do well. I

922
00:58:43,760 --> 00:58:47,360
Speaker 1: got asked a similar question on Wednesday Night. Might talk

923
00:58:47,400 --> 00:58:50,920
Speaker 1: at FAU about but it was and I say similar,

924
00:58:50,920 --> 00:58:54,480
Speaker 1: It wasn't quite the same thing, but it was. It

925
00:58:54,600 --> 00:58:56,960
Speaker 1: was about gen Z and millennials, and it was about

926
00:58:57,040 --> 00:59:00,440
Speaker 1: their sort of you know, what are they bringing to

927
00:59:00,520 --> 00:59:03,479
Speaker 1: the table that the other generations have. And my answer

928
00:59:03,480 --> 00:59:07,400
Speaker 1: to that was skepticism about capitalism. And so in some

929
00:59:07,560 --> 00:59:12,640
Speaker 1: ways I think you're getting at a similar sentiment here.

930
00:59:16,320 --> 00:59:20,560
Speaker 1: But this is not a new you know, when I

931
00:59:20,640 --> 00:59:24,040
Speaker 1: think about when I keep talking about how much the

932
00:59:24,120 --> 00:59:27,400
Speaker 1: current era echoes with the first sort of about twenty

933
00:59:27,920 --> 00:59:31,760
Speaker 1: twenty five years of the twentieth century, you know, as

934
00:59:31,840 --> 00:59:37,560
Speaker 1: we were, you know, both growing quickly with the industrial

935
00:59:37,600 --> 00:59:41,720
Speaker 1: Revolution and at the same time panicking about the loss

936
00:59:41,760 --> 00:59:43,760
Speaker 1: of our way of life. Right we were moving from

937
00:59:44,120 --> 00:59:47,080
Speaker 1: a grarian economy to industrial economy. There were losers, people

938
00:59:47,120 --> 00:59:52,920
Speaker 1: were being left behind all those things, and this concern

939
00:59:52,920 --> 00:59:55,560
Speaker 1: about inequality was at its height. It's why we ended

940
00:59:55,640 --> 00:59:58,840
Speaker 1: up with a constitutional amendment about the income tax. We

941
00:59:58,960 --> 01:00:02,240
Speaker 1: weren't trying to most Americans. We wanted to attack the

942
01:00:02,360 --> 01:00:05,440
Speaker 1: rich Americans. We were pissed off we were angry at

943
01:00:05,480 --> 01:00:07,880
Speaker 1: the at the super wealthy, at the Robert barons, at

944
01:00:07,920 --> 01:00:12,120
Speaker 1: the Gilded Age, and you know, that was a way

945
01:00:12,240 --> 01:00:14,720
Speaker 1: to try to offer a check and we didn't trust

946
01:00:14,760 --> 01:00:21,120
Speaker 1: them with senators. We wanted direct election at senators. So

947
01:00:22,880 --> 01:00:25,640
Speaker 1: and that's where I see some similarities. And I think,

948
01:00:25,880 --> 01:00:27,160
Speaker 1: I guess I look at it this way. I think

949
01:00:27,200 --> 01:00:31,160
Speaker 1: millennials and gen Z are going to drive this because

950
01:00:31,360 --> 01:00:38,480
Speaker 1: it's ideologically diverse, the coalition they're you know, they may

951
01:00:38,640 --> 01:00:40,680
Speaker 1: be on different sides of that, but they're all skeptical

952
01:00:40,720 --> 01:00:41,520
Speaker 1: of corporate power.

953
01:00:44,680 --> 01:00:47,400
Speaker 2: So I kinda I so I I.

954
01:00:54,360 --> 01:00:56,520
Speaker 1: Look at it this way, I think gen Z and

955
01:00:56,680 --> 01:01:02,280
Speaker 1: the millennials are going to do I mean, look, Upton

956
01:01:02,360 --> 01:01:08,920
Speaker 1: Sinclair right wrote about the awful conditions for labor and

957
01:01:09,000 --> 01:01:10,600
Speaker 1: child libor and all those things, and that was all

958
01:01:10,640 --> 01:01:14,920
Speaker 1: happening in the teens and twenties, right before government finally

959
01:01:14,960 --> 01:01:18,520
Speaker 1: intervened and decided that it needed to put some structure

960
01:01:18,600 --> 01:01:23,680
Speaker 1: and rules into place. And that generation, you know, embraced

961
01:01:23,760 --> 01:01:27,600
Speaker 1: labor unions, and you know, we're basically embracing more checks

962
01:01:27,640 --> 01:01:32,400
Speaker 1: on corporate power. Right. So I do think that while

963
01:01:32,840 --> 01:01:34,880
Speaker 1: that gen Z and gen Alpha are going to lead

964
01:01:34,960 --> 01:01:37,360
Speaker 1: that charge. I think millennials are kind of victims of

965
01:01:37,400 --> 01:01:40,560
Speaker 1: this and they will go along, right, But I think

966
01:01:40,600 --> 01:01:43,760
Speaker 1: by the time something is done about it, I think

967
01:01:43,800 --> 01:01:45,920
Speaker 1: the pressure is already there with millennials, right, They're now

968
01:01:46,040 --> 01:01:49,160
Speaker 1: raising kids and dealing with their student debt and struggling

969
01:01:49,200 --> 01:01:56,000
Speaker 1: to buy a home, right, all of that. So, so

970
01:01:56,200 --> 01:02:01,600
Speaker 1: I do expect this movement to intensify, but I think

971
01:02:01,640 --> 01:02:05,680
Speaker 1: it's it is more of trying to well. I mean,

972
01:02:05,720 --> 01:02:08,600
Speaker 1: this is why I had on the author of that

973
01:02:08,720 --> 01:02:11,760
Speaker 1: book the Middle middle Class, essentially a new Deal for

974
01:02:11,800 --> 01:02:15,320
Speaker 1: the middle class, because I do think this is there

975
01:02:15,360 --> 01:02:18,600
Speaker 1: is an appetite for this, and I think what was

976
01:02:18,680 --> 01:02:21,360
Speaker 1: the beauty of that book is a reminder that, you know,

977
01:02:22,000 --> 01:02:24,560
Speaker 1: the free market didn't create the middle class, government, right,

978
01:02:24,880 --> 01:02:28,880
Speaker 1: you know, government had to intervene in order to protect

979
01:02:29,040 --> 01:02:35,840
Speaker 1: and help create the conditions for a middle class. I

980
01:02:35,960 --> 01:02:37,920
Speaker 1: think that's I think this is all going to be

981
01:02:38,120 --> 01:02:41,080
Speaker 1: driven by gen z and I throw gen alf Ub

982
01:02:41,720 --> 01:02:49,200
Speaker 1: in there. But you know, as far as foreign policy,

983
01:02:49,280 --> 01:02:53,960
Speaker 1: I don't. I do think that there's a lot of

984
01:02:54,080 --> 01:02:56,040
Speaker 1: we've got to we got to put our own house

985
01:02:56,080 --> 01:02:58,880
Speaker 1: in order before we worry about everybody else. But I

986
01:02:58,920 --> 01:03:03,200
Speaker 1: wouldn't automatically assume that that sentiment means that person's also

987
01:03:03,240 --> 01:03:08,200
Speaker 1: an isolationist, right. I also think that Gen Z and

988
01:03:08,440 --> 01:03:12,480
Speaker 1: millennials are more likely to call themselves global citizens than

989
01:03:12,520 --> 01:03:15,640
Speaker 1: any other generation. Right, So that's why I don't know

990
01:03:15,680 --> 01:03:20,000
Speaker 1: if they're going to be that this feeling that that

991
01:03:20,160 --> 01:03:22,240
Speaker 1: they you know, we need to focus at home doesn't

992
01:03:22,280 --> 01:03:26,920
Speaker 1: automatically mean also in favor of an isolation as for

993
01:03:26,960 --> 01:03:29,800
Speaker 1: a policy, at least that's where I choose to follow

994
01:03:29,880 --> 01:03:33,000
Speaker 1: that one. All right. Last question comes from Blaze Markovich

995
01:03:33,240 --> 01:03:36,520
Speaker 1: Blaze Rights, Sorry about your Nets trading, Mackenzie Gore, Yeah,

996
01:03:36,600 --> 01:03:38,840
Speaker 1: me too, man. Moves like that are tough to understand,

997
01:03:38,920 --> 01:03:43,000
Speaker 1: especially as a Tiger's fan watching the schoobl drama unfold. Yeah,

998
01:03:43,040 --> 01:03:45,880
Speaker 1: there's a lot of rumors that Schooble gets traded before

999
01:03:45,920 --> 01:03:48,200
Speaker 1: the start of the season. Basically the best picture in

1000
01:03:48,200 --> 01:03:52,720
Speaker 1: baseball right now. That sucks, sorry Tigers fans, And with

1001
01:03:52,840 --> 01:03:55,400
Speaker 1: the Wizard's mismanagement, I really hope Monumental doesn't end up

1002
01:03:55,400 --> 01:03:58,920
Speaker 1: owning the Nets too. They do do okay with the Caps,

1003
01:03:59,200 --> 01:04:01,720
Speaker 1: or maybe they just stumbled into a Vechkin and didn't

1004
01:04:01,720 --> 01:04:04,200
Speaker 1: screw it up, right. What I really want to ask

1005
01:04:04,400 --> 01:04:06,920
Speaker 1: is why is Nathan's famous allowed to be bought by

1006
01:04:06,920 --> 01:04:09,960
Speaker 1: a Chinese company without much public discussion. It feels like

1007
01:04:10,080 --> 01:04:14,000
Speaker 1: a much more iconic American brand than others that sparked outrage,

1008
01:04:14,080 --> 01:04:17,400
Speaker 1: like Tim Horton's. Well, you're right, you know, the all

1009
01:04:17,520 --> 01:04:21,600
Speaker 1: American hot dog is now a Chinese own property.

1010
01:04:22,200 --> 01:04:24,160
Speaker 2: You know, what are you going to do next?

1011
01:04:25,200 --> 01:04:30,520
Speaker 1: You know, take over competitive eating. That's the American sport,

1012
01:04:30,680 --> 01:04:33,440
Speaker 1: competitive eating. We don't want no foreigners taking that, right.

1013
01:04:37,000 --> 01:04:41,560
Speaker 1: It's an excellent point. I can I can I actually

1014
01:04:42,840 --> 01:04:44,880
Speaker 1: pat our collective selves on the back that we didn't

1015
01:04:44,960 --> 01:04:48,320
Speaker 1: make that an outrage. I think in a slower news cycle,

1016
01:04:49,840 --> 01:04:54,240
Speaker 1: during the you know, the golden era of being outraged

1017
01:04:54,280 --> 01:04:57,400
Speaker 1: when Barack Obama wore a tan suit, this would have

1018
01:04:57,440 --> 01:05:01,880
Speaker 1: been the classic sort of manu factured outrage story that

1019
01:05:01,960 --> 01:05:06,560
Speaker 1: would have started on Fox and Friends, gravitated to Bill O'Reilly,

1020
01:05:06,680 --> 01:05:10,400
Speaker 1: and ended up, you know as as sort of the

1021
01:05:11,040 --> 01:05:14,000
Speaker 1: you know, firing everybody up over you know. I mean,

1022
01:05:14,920 --> 01:05:17,080
Speaker 1: then again, we all went crazy over cracker barrel. And

1023
01:05:17,120 --> 01:05:19,240
Speaker 1: look what that did, right, It made them change their logo.

1024
01:05:21,960 --> 01:05:24,800
Speaker 1: I can only say it's the timing of it just

1025
01:05:24,920 --> 01:05:28,520
Speaker 1: didn't catch our viral stupidity moment the way something like

1026
01:05:28,560 --> 01:05:30,320
Speaker 1: this could easily have been done. But I do think

1027
01:05:31,440 --> 01:05:36,400
Speaker 1: had this happened under Obama, I think we know, this

1028
01:05:36,520 --> 01:05:39,640
Speaker 1: would have been a good Fox story for at least

1029
01:05:39,680 --> 01:05:43,560
Speaker 1: a day or two. You know, we're losing America, We're

1030
01:05:43,640 --> 01:05:44,720
Speaker 1: losing the hot dog.

1031
01:05:44,840 --> 01:05:45,439
Speaker 2: What's next?

1032
01:05:45,520 --> 01:05:48,200
Speaker 1: Apple Mom and apple Pie are going to become Chinese

1033
01:05:48,240 --> 01:05:53,680
Speaker 1: own entities too. Anyway, place appreciate the question and for

1034
01:05:53,800 --> 01:06:02,600
Speaker 1: the levity there, all right.

1035
01:06:05,920 --> 01:06:07,440
Speaker 2: I enjoyed One of the other.

1036
01:06:07,440 --> 01:06:11,000
Speaker 1: Enjoyable things about doing doing a couple of public events

1037
01:06:11,120 --> 01:06:13,680
Speaker 1: is you know, I get some get some podcast feedback.

1038
01:06:17,240 --> 01:06:20,520
Speaker 1: Some people love the college football, some people hate the

1039
01:06:20,560 --> 01:06:21,280
Speaker 1: college football.

1040
01:06:22,640 --> 01:06:24,200
Speaker 2: Everybody had an opinion about it.

1041
01:06:24,840 --> 01:06:28,680
Speaker 1: So and I reassured them all that all of my

1042
01:06:28,760 --> 01:06:31,840
Speaker 1: sports reports will always be at the end of the podcast. Look,

1043
01:06:31,880 --> 01:06:33,320
Speaker 1: I just want to weigh in on something that I

1044
01:06:33,440 --> 01:06:35,680
Speaker 1: kind of weighed in on a couple of weeks ago

1045
01:06:35,760 --> 01:06:39,480
Speaker 1: that really got no little attention, and I didn't I'm

1046
01:06:39,520 --> 01:06:42,680
Speaker 1: not you know, I wasn't looking for extra viral attention.

1047
01:06:43,160 --> 01:06:44,840
Speaker 1: And that was my rant about the Baseball Hall of

1048
01:06:44,920 --> 01:06:48,240
Speaker 1: Fame and sort of like you know, I don't know,

1049
01:06:49,200 --> 01:06:51,560
Speaker 1: Carlos Beltran, I guess, and you know, we can have

1050
01:06:51,600 --> 01:06:53,520
Speaker 1: the conversation. And then it led to me sort of

1051
01:06:53,560 --> 01:06:55,560
Speaker 1: whining about how like I think all of the Halls

1052
01:06:55,600 --> 01:06:57,840
Speaker 1: of Fame have lost their way. And then I got

1053
01:06:57,880 --> 01:06:59,920
Speaker 1: a reaction from my son. He goes, you know who

1054
01:07:00,080 --> 01:07:02,000
Speaker 1: loves when I do these sports reports, and he says,

1055
01:07:03,160 --> 01:07:05,000
Speaker 1: you know, I just I don't get that worked up

1056
01:07:05,000 --> 01:07:07,600
Speaker 1: about the Hall of Fame. I don't really care, you

1057
01:07:07,680 --> 01:07:10,240
Speaker 1: know he is. I mean, we made a pledge that

1058
01:07:10,280 --> 01:07:13,080
Speaker 1: we're going to I've never been to Cooperstown and neither's

1059
01:07:13,080 --> 01:07:16,240
Speaker 1: he We're going to go to Cooperstown when Max Sureser

1060
01:07:17,040 --> 01:07:22,160
Speaker 1: is inducted. Uh literally, I was, you know, I was

1061
01:07:22,520 --> 01:07:25,600
Speaker 1: waiting to see him. I really believe had the Blue

1062
01:07:25,680 --> 01:07:27,960
Speaker 1: Jays won Game seven and he'd been the Game seven winner,

1063
01:07:28,000 --> 01:07:31,160
Speaker 1: that he was going to retire and I was going

1064
01:07:31,240 --> 01:07:35,400
Speaker 1: to book that hotel room immediately for five years later,

1065
01:07:35,720 --> 01:07:40,040
Speaker 1: right to make the Cooperstown then. But he's apparently he's

1066
01:07:40,080 --> 01:07:44,920
Speaker 1: going to pull the the Roger clements and essentially stay

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Speaker 1: in shape and be a stop gap signing for some

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Speaker 1: contender in May or June or July. And I get it. Man,

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Speaker 1: the guy loves you know, and he you know, he

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01:07:59,520 --> 01:08:02,840
Speaker 1: wasn't the Max of the Nationals years, but he wasn't bad.

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Speaker 1: And I love the guy. I enjoy watching him throw

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Speaker 1: baseball and just hope stalks the mound, those two different

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01:08:11,600 --> 01:08:15,720
Speaker 1: colored eyes staring at you and all this stuff. So

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01:08:16,120 --> 01:08:18,519
Speaker 1: to say where Max fans is an understatement. So we'll

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Speaker 1: be there. Plus he's a big dog lover, you know,

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01:08:21,040 --> 01:08:23,840
Speaker 1: I always will. You know, if you're not a dog lover,

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01:08:23,920 --> 01:08:32,840
Speaker 1: I'm going to question your character. So there's that. But

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Speaker 1: I was it.

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Speaker 2: It struck me that he said I just didn't really care.

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Speaker 1: I used to care a ton about the Hall of

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Speaker 1: Fame when I was his age, you know, And there

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01:08:41,640 --> 01:08:44,320
Speaker 1: was something about the Baseball Hall of Fame and even

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01:08:44,360 --> 01:08:46,599
Speaker 1: the football Hall of Fame that felt like they always

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01:08:46,640 --> 01:08:48,519
Speaker 1: put the right people in in the right years and

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Speaker 1: all that stuff right, and you know, there'd be and

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Speaker 1: you know, baseball had the one penalty with Pete Rose,

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01:08:54,120 --> 01:08:55,960
Speaker 1: and I was like, all right, it was grounded in

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01:08:56,000 --> 01:08:59,320
Speaker 1: shoeless Joe Jackson, etcetera, etcetera. And I think the NFL

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01:08:59,400 --> 01:09:01,960
Speaker 1: had its own gambling issue right when they banned Paul

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Speaker 1: Hornig for a year and all that stuff. But you know,

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Speaker 1: I was reading about how like the Hall of Fame

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01:09:08,760 --> 01:09:11,679
Speaker 1: just seemed they just feel out of touch. They don't

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01:09:11,720 --> 01:09:14,920
Speaker 1: they haven't figured out and you and then this Bill

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Speaker 1: Belichick thing happened, and you know that sparked this huge outrage.

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Speaker 1: You're like, if Bill Belichick's not a first ballot Hall

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Speaker 1: of Famer, then who then who is right if he

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01:09:26,560 --> 01:09:29,439
Speaker 1: can't pick? And then there were whispers that, oh, this

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01:09:29,600 --> 01:09:32,800
Speaker 1: was a penalty for spygate or to flake Gate, although

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Speaker 1: I don't think he had any role in the flake Gate,

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Speaker 1: right it would be Brady, Spygate would be him. I guess,

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01:09:41,720 --> 01:09:44,160
Speaker 1: well he was penalized, right, But is this steroids? Is

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Speaker 1: this this right? So? But what struck me and what

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01:09:48,439 --> 01:09:54,840
Speaker 1: continues to strike me, is the is the I just

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01:09:54,920 --> 01:09:57,280
Speaker 1: think who's in charge of the Hall of Fame and

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01:09:57,439 --> 01:10:02,400
Speaker 1: who gets to say is so bast backwards? If it

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01:10:02,600 --> 01:10:05,960
Speaker 1: wasn't for the fans, there wouldn't be any interest in

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01:10:06,080 --> 01:10:09,360
Speaker 1: having a Hall of Fame, And yet you have people

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01:10:10,200 --> 01:10:14,400
Speaker 1: that guard the criteria of the Hall of Fame that

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01:10:14,800 --> 01:10:20,599
Speaker 1: is in contradiction to the fan. And ultimately, who drives

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01:10:21,000 --> 01:10:24,280
Speaker 1: anything in this sport? Who pays the who makes the

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01:10:24,400 --> 01:10:27,840
Speaker 1: salaries matter fan interest. If it wasn't for fan interest,

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01:10:27,880 --> 01:10:29,800
Speaker 1: there wouldn't be big media deals and they wouldn't have

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01:10:29,840 --> 01:10:33,840
Speaker 1: the money to pay these guys. The fans have no

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01:10:34,640 --> 01:10:38,519
Speaker 1: role at all in who even is even considered for

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01:10:38,600 --> 01:10:41,000
Speaker 1: the Hall of Fame or nominated for the Hall of

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Speaker 1: Fame or any vote on it. And the Belichick this is,

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01:10:45,600 --> 01:10:47,000
Speaker 1: you know, and I know I ran it about this

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01:10:47,080 --> 01:10:48,880
Speaker 1: before and I got I'm going to ran about this again.

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Speaker 1: You know, all of these halls, the three big halls

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Speaker 1: of Fame.

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Speaker 2: I don't.

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Speaker 1: I don't know enough about the Hockey Hall of Fame

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Speaker 1: in Toronto to weigh in and how they handle things.

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01:11:01,320 --> 01:11:04,840
Speaker 1: You know, I'll care if if somehow Ovechkin's not a

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Speaker 1: first ballot. I can't imagine it won't be so however

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01:11:08,080 --> 01:11:10,439
Speaker 1: they work it. But I'm familiar with three of the

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01:11:10,520 --> 01:11:14,240
Speaker 1: halls of fame, the Pro Football of Fame, and again

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Speaker 1: it's not run by the NFL Pro Football of Fame,

1129
01:11:16,479 --> 01:11:18,920
Speaker 1: although I would argue the NFL get its hands on it,

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Speaker 1: the Baseball Hall of Fame and the Basketball Hall of Fame.

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01:11:26,760 --> 01:11:28,680
Speaker 1: There's something about the Basketball Hall of Fame that I

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01:11:29,080 --> 01:11:33,920
Speaker 1: like the idea that they they're the basketball Hall of Fame,

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01:11:34,160 --> 01:11:38,439
Speaker 1: and they sometimes induct pro basketball players or college basketball players,

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01:11:38,920 --> 01:11:42,480
Speaker 1: college coaches, and you know, they're honoring all of basketball.

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Speaker 1: I wouldn't mind to see football try that, or baseball

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Speaker 1: try that. Meaning you're you're the Hall of Fame for

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01:11:50,200 --> 01:11:55,680
Speaker 1: the sport, not a league. Right of course, basketball had

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01:11:55,840 --> 01:11:57,720
Speaker 1: there a lead two competitive leagues for a while, a

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Speaker 1: BA NBA. So, but we've got to do something.

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Speaker 2: About this because it.

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Speaker 1: If the fans stop believe in the Hall of Fame

1142
01:12:10,360 --> 01:12:15,320
Speaker 1: has any relevance, nobody's going to go nobody's going to care,

1143
01:12:15,439 --> 01:12:17,000
Speaker 1: and these things are just going to go away, and

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01:12:17,000 --> 01:12:19,760
Speaker 1: they're just you know, it's no different than putting up

1145
01:12:19,800 --> 01:12:23,920
Speaker 1: a podcast saying, well, here's my fifty greatest NFL players,

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01:12:23,960 --> 01:12:29,120
Speaker 1: here's my you know, Hall of Fame or's. But all

1147
01:12:29,200 --> 01:12:32,280
Speaker 1: of these halls of fame need to figure out how

1148
01:12:32,320 --> 01:12:36,679
Speaker 1: to how to give fans a role, you know, whether

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01:12:36,840 --> 01:12:39,680
Speaker 1: it's in the nominating process, who should be on the

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01:12:39,760 --> 01:12:43,960
Speaker 1: ballot in a given year, who shouldn't be, you know,

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01:12:44,160 --> 01:12:49,160
Speaker 1: some percentage of the vote. I don't know what the

1152
01:12:49,240 --> 01:12:53,439
Speaker 1: Pro Football Hall of Fame voting process is, so weird

1153
01:12:53,520 --> 01:12:57,760
Speaker 1: and byzantine. My friend Peter King, I think I might

1154
01:12:58,360 --> 01:13:00,160
Speaker 1: see if I can get them on the podcast on

1155
01:13:00,200 --> 01:13:04,640
Speaker 1: a previous version, previous iterations of it. And I've done his,

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01:13:04,800 --> 01:13:08,479
Speaker 1: We've done he was one time on it. I'd love

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01:13:08,600 --> 01:13:12,160
Speaker 1: to understand how it works. But that's the point. But

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01:13:12,280 --> 01:13:16,080
Speaker 1: they again, they keep the fans out of it completely.

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01:13:16,400 --> 01:13:18,960
Speaker 1: And I'm not saying the fans should have but there

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01:13:19,000 --> 01:13:25,599
Speaker 1: should be and I go back, fans, right, journalists, players

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01:13:29,120 --> 01:13:32,559
Speaker 1: and coaches, executives and coaches, right, all four of those

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01:13:32,760 --> 01:13:37,599
Speaker 1: entities should have a say. One entity shouldn't have more

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Speaker 1: say over the other, but all of them should have

1164
01:13:41,600 --> 01:13:46,519
Speaker 1: some say because they all you know, it is again

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01:13:46,720 --> 01:13:51,720
Speaker 1: the word fame is for famous, not best. We don't say,

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Speaker 1: you know, if it was the greatest players, would say

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01:13:57,720 --> 01:14:00,720
Speaker 1: home of the greatest players. So all of now it's

1168
01:14:01,000 --> 01:14:05,560
Speaker 1: become synonymous with the best. But it is fame, and

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01:14:05,680 --> 01:14:11,880
Speaker 1: part of that is part of qualifying is public interest.

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Speaker 1: And this is one of those where you know, they

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01:14:17,400 --> 01:14:19,920
Speaker 1: created some new you know, it turns out it's it's

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01:14:19,960 --> 01:14:22,600
Speaker 1: not necessary. It might be less about Belichick personally and

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01:14:22,680 --> 01:14:26,320
Speaker 1: more about the convoluted way that they want to consider

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01:14:26,400 --> 01:14:30,320
Speaker 1: because they play internal politics. You know, if players don't

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01:14:30,360 --> 01:14:33,160
Speaker 1: make it through one process, then they get a second chance,

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01:14:33,240 --> 01:14:34,919
Speaker 1: and then there's a third chance.

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Speaker 2: And all this stuff.

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Speaker 1: But it's because the system was flowed in the first place,

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Speaker 1: and how they did the if they always had the

1180
01:14:42,720 --> 01:14:45,440
Speaker 1: elector it broke it up with all the different stakeholders

1181
01:14:45,479 --> 01:14:48,519
Speaker 1: having some say, I don't think they have as many

1182
01:14:48,560 --> 01:14:54,000
Speaker 1: of these screw ups. And look with baseball, they just

1183
01:14:54,160 --> 01:14:58,080
Speaker 1: not handled the steroids thing correctly. They just have it

1184
01:14:58,640 --> 01:15:00,519
Speaker 1: because they put too many people in that we all

1185
01:15:00,600 --> 01:15:02,320
Speaker 1: know did but just were never proven to do it.

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01:15:02,640 --> 01:15:04,240
Speaker 1: And they've kept a couple of people out that we

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01:15:04,240 --> 01:15:05,880
Speaker 1: all know would have been Hall of famers before they

1188
01:15:05,920 --> 01:15:08,680
Speaker 1: took it if they did it. Barry Bonds right, and

1189
01:15:08,800 --> 01:15:11,479
Speaker 1: you're just like, you know, and then there's just well

1190
01:15:11,920 --> 01:15:14,280
Speaker 1: this person was mentioned in the Mitchell Report, this person once.

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01:15:14,320 --> 01:15:18,960
Speaker 1: And then there's like Belichick, really, you know, every coach

1192
01:15:19,040 --> 01:15:21,000
Speaker 1: is trying to get an edge. You know. The thing

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01:15:21,080 --> 01:15:27,479
Speaker 1: about Belichick is he was the guy that didn't read

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01:15:27,560 --> 01:15:29,479
Speaker 1: the rule. He read the rule book to find out

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01:15:29,560 --> 01:15:33,360
Speaker 1: what didn't they think of and he and he always

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01:15:33,479 --> 01:15:38,200
Speaker 1: found loopholes or gaps in the rules and he'd take

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01:15:38,240 --> 01:15:44,760
Speaker 1: advantage of it. There's a point and then he got

1198
01:15:44,840 --> 01:15:52,600
Speaker 1: caught and he got punished. But I don't think they

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Speaker 1: fully appreciate sort of like how they diminish everything when

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01:15:58,560 --> 01:16:01,439
Speaker 1: somebody who's you know, got to burn up their ass

1201
01:16:01,520 --> 01:16:05,240
Speaker 1: about it and has the power to do something about it.

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01:16:06,400 --> 01:16:10,519
Speaker 1: You know, it's sort of like, you know, it's like

1203
01:16:10,560 --> 01:16:12,960
Speaker 1: they finally can get their revenge. It's like to what end?

1204
01:16:17,560 --> 01:16:19,720
Speaker 1: So I, you know, the whole thing's a mess. And

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01:16:19,840 --> 01:16:22,360
Speaker 1: I and again, I don't think an individual did this.

1206
01:16:23,479 --> 01:16:25,559
Speaker 1: I do the more, you know, everybody wanted to jump

1207
01:16:25,600 --> 01:16:28,400
Speaker 1: on one person, I think that was that was BS.

1208
01:16:29,560 --> 01:16:32,040
Speaker 1: I think the issue was how this system worked. If

1209
01:16:32,120 --> 01:16:35,400
Speaker 1: go read up Mike Sando of the Athletic but talked

1210
01:16:35,439 --> 01:16:38,360
Speaker 1: about how there was only like three spots and then

1211
01:16:38,400 --> 01:16:40,479
Speaker 1: you have to get forty percent. I mean, it's there's

1212
01:16:40,680 --> 01:16:44,599
Speaker 1: just like it's it's like algebra to try to figure

1213
01:16:44,640 --> 01:16:47,360
Speaker 1: out how the hell somebody gets qualifies to get into

1214
01:16:47,400 --> 01:16:48,800
Speaker 1: the Hall of Fame if they're not a player, but

1215
01:16:49,040 --> 01:16:52,160
Speaker 1: on this other sub ballot better than players, coaches and

1216
01:16:52,920 --> 01:16:58,280
Speaker 1: just oh my god, they've done all this. And again,

1217
01:16:59,800 --> 01:17:02,800
Speaker 1: the single most important entity that has made the Hall

1218
01:17:02,880 --> 01:17:07,240
Speaker 1: of Fame vote even relevant to anybody. It's fan interest,

1219
01:17:08,040 --> 01:17:10,840
Speaker 1: and they're the ones that have zero say in any

1220
01:17:10,920 --> 01:17:16,559
Speaker 1: of this. So I beg these Halls of Fame figure

1221
01:17:16,600 --> 01:17:20,000
Speaker 1: out how to engage the public and the actual fan base,

1222
01:17:20,160 --> 01:17:23,280
Speaker 1: not to just show up, but to be an actual

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01:17:23,360 --> 01:17:26,760
Speaker 1: participant in some form or another, because I think you

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01:17:26,840 --> 01:17:30,600
Speaker 1: could bring more credibility to the Hall of Fame with

1225
01:17:31,320 --> 01:17:35,080
Speaker 1: all fans and not just create a Hall of Fame

1226
01:17:36,280 --> 01:17:43,000
Speaker 1: that makes a handful of people happy. All right, what

1227
01:17:43,120 --> 01:17:43,960
Speaker 1: about college football?

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01:17:46,600 --> 01:17:47,280
Speaker 2: Enjoy your weekend.

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Speaker 1: I will see you next month, right, because technically the

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Speaker 1: calendar flips and the long winner gets shortened with our

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Speaker 1: shortest month. So with that, I'll see you on mad MHM.