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Speaker 1: what you've been waiting for all day. But Sexton with

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Speaker 1: But Sexton comy strikes back. At least that's what it

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Speaker 1: It's everywhere. Just like yesterday when I was on air

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Speaker 1: with you, the story broke about Trump telling the Russians

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Speaker 1: But that story has been pushed now further back in

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Speaker 1: Now this week we've had the Trump Russia disclosure discussion,

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Speaker 1: You have former FBI director had a meeting with President Trump. Now,

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Speaker 1: some of his notes of those meetings are considered classified.

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Speaker 1: to keep some government secret secret. But it is fastened

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Speaker 1: to me. On an ethical perspective, we just can see

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Speaker 1: that journalists, Yeah, you know, when they tell us stuff,

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Speaker 1: they've got good judgment and they're not they're not betraying

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Speaker 1: their country or anything by publishing even really really secret stuff.

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Speaker 1: Play that thought experiment out a little bit. Is there

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Speaker 1: anything New York Times could publish where we'd say, you know,

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Speaker 1: that's actually too much? That's that's on it. I'm not

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Speaker 1: and I'm not looking at a specific incident of anything.

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Speaker 1: But it's just I think it's a much more complicated

438
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Speaker 1: discussion than most people in the media even see it as.

439
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Speaker 1: I think that this is not as as cut and

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Speaker 1: dry as media likes to pretend that it is because

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Speaker 1: they like to go around like glorified gossip columnists sometimes

442
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Speaker 1: and just you know, well I heard this. Isn't this

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Speaker 1: an interesting story? This will get click? So I'm just

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Speaker 1: gonna run with this. Is it dangerous? Is it gonna

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Speaker 1: hurt people for that to be publicly out there? Well,

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Speaker 1: we just leave it to the media to decide, right, Well,

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Speaker 1: isn't that interesting? So if you're, you know, the the

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Speaker 1: White House deputy assistant for whatever, and you tell somebody

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Speaker 1: at the New York Times, hey, you know x y Z,

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Speaker 1: and the New York Times publishes x y z. They're

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Speaker 1: doing you know, they're doing God's work. You know that

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Speaker 1: it's the it's the First Amendment the media. But the

453
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Speaker 1: person in the White House is a terrible person. I

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Speaker 1: understand the legal realities here, but think about that for

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Speaker 1: a second. Why why is it good for everyone to know?

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Speaker 1: And that's great, but the the initial like I said,

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Speaker 1: it's just because they don't know how to draw the

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Speaker 1: line otherwise, because we don't want to be in a

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Speaker 1: place where media is getting locked up for stuff. Although

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Speaker 1: they got closer under the trumpet, I mean under the

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Speaker 1: parton me under the Obama administration than ever before, more

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Speaker 1: prosecutions under the Espionage Act than every presidency before it combined,

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Speaker 1: and the media was just just complacent, just sitting around

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Speaker 1: silent on it, you know, just man. Yeah, so little

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Speaker 1: pushback when Obama was in office for the Department of Justice,

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Speaker 1: uh surveilling journalists, uh communications you know that that was

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Speaker 1: just oh yeah, you know, there was there was not

468
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Speaker 1: a tremendous amount of outrage. We were not hearing about

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Speaker 1: tyranny and fascism and the death of the First Amendment,

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Speaker 1: and we should have been. Under the Obama administration, we

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Speaker 1: should have. I mean, you can't say you can't hear

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Speaker 1: that statistic. You can't say that without feeling a bit

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Speaker 1: of a cold shutter, right. Obama administration more prosecutions under

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Speaker 1: the Espionage Act than every president before Obama combined. But

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Speaker 1: you know what that was, and you're seeing a difference

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Speaker 1: now with the way that the government's acting under Trump.

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Speaker 1: That was in part making examples. That was to show

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Speaker 1: that if you if you step out a line under

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Speaker 1: Obama while Obama is in office, they will crush you.

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Speaker 1: It was intended with it. It had an intended effect.

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Speaker 1: That was why they took such a hard line on this.

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Speaker 1: Of course, the media was quiet and allowed Obama to

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Speaker 1: get away with that largely, whereas with Trump, if if

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Speaker 1: anything like that were to happen, you can imagine it

485
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Speaker 1: would just be next level. I don't know what the

486
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Speaker 1: next level it is already saying you should be impeached,

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Speaker 1: but there would be rage in the journalists establishment if

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Speaker 1: Trump did the things that were done numerous times under

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Speaker 1: the Obama administration. Um, so I just that's one thing

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Speaker 1: that's going to get a lot of attention. I'm sure

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Speaker 1: here Comey being allegedly told by Trump that maybe we

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Speaker 1: should can that are prosecuting reporters for publishing class byed information.

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Speaker 1: You know, they can be pretty reckless reporters sometimes with

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Speaker 1: this stuff, and if they do it willingly and knowingly. Uh.

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Speaker 1: Like I said, legally, I get it right. The government

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Speaker 1: doesn't want to be the position of saying what the

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Speaker 1: what the First Onoman does and does not cover. But

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Speaker 1: ethically it's a little more. You know, if if the

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Speaker 1: New York Times reports on a very sensitive intelligence source

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Speaker 1: and and as a result of that something terrible happens,

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Speaker 1: is the New York Times just that's okay that we

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Speaker 1: just because it's the near because their journalists, that's okay.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if that's something that we should just concede. Uh,

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Speaker 1: there's still U s citizens bound by US federal law. Um.

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Speaker 1: But of course, what I'm what I wanted to point out,

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Speaker 1: and what got me thinking about this initially was that

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Speaker 1: with the Obama administration in the way that are treated

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Speaker 1: the First Amendment classified information. Uh, there was real reason

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Speaker 1: to be concerned, and the media was just like a

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Speaker 1: bunch of bleeding sheep just didn't want to didn't want

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Speaker 1: to cause any problems, you know, with Trump just raising

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Speaker 1: this issue, this issue with Comey. I think, well, this

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Speaker 1: will get a life of its own. Now, this is

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Speaker 1: gonna be another aspect of the story. Um that we're

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Speaker 1: gonna be hearing a lot about that Trump wants to

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Speaker 1: destroy journalism and he wants to prosecute journalists. Well Obama

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Speaker 1: was like actually taking steps and his Attorney general taking

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Speaker 1: steps to do that, not just musing about it out loud. Nothing. Um,

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Speaker 1: I think that's worth that's worth keeping in mind here.

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Speaker 1: Um okay, I didn't even get to the mc masters

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Speaker 1: stuff because there's a lot going on here. Eight four

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Speaker 1: four nine, buck, let's talk about yesterday, the follow up

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Speaker 1: to yesterday's main Sorry, but we're gonna have our friend

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Speaker 1: Andy McCarthy, former federal prosecutor from an writer for National View.

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Speaker 1: He'll be joining in the next hour, so we'll get

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Speaker 1: some real expert insight into the legal aspects of all

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Speaker 1: of this and what he thinks about Comey and oh everyone,

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Speaker 1: it's it's just it's a mess today it's mess and

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Speaker 1: it's the storylines that everyone's running with her. It's just

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Speaker 1: depressing that we have to we have to be so

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Speaker 1: deep into this. There are real problems to fix there,

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Speaker 1: there's stuff that I want to spend more of our time,

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Speaker 1: and we will. But today it's just a street fight everybody,

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Speaker 1: and whether we want to be or not, we're in

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Speaker 1: the middle of it. We'll be right back. Political atmospherics

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Speaker 1: that are being reported right now in DC include the following,

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Speaker 1: uh that there are no Republicans school go on air

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Speaker 1: right now from the Congress. I mean no, no Republican

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Speaker 1: members of Congress will go on air to defend the

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Speaker 1: Trump administration right now. Whether that's true or not, you know,

541
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Speaker 1: maybe they haven't gotten anybody fast enough, and that's what

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Speaker 1: I'm seeing reported here. Also, as you know, Trey Goudy

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Speaker 1: withdrew his name for consideration for FBI director. Um. I've

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Speaker 1: always found Tray Goudy to be very impressive and very

545
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Speaker 1: very on the ball, and yeah, it is interesting to

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Speaker 1: me that he withdrew and uh, yeah, it wasn't even

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Speaker 1: clear it was gonna be him. But he's like, I

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Speaker 1: don't I don't want to do that. So m all

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Speaker 1: right now, I want to you know, I do not

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Speaker 1: want to be the if we're a director, there we go.

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Speaker 1: I got I got into for sing like I could

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Speaker 1: do a little bit of a of a trade. Gudy,

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Speaker 1: Mr Speaker, the FBI director. There's not a position that

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Speaker 1: I would luck something like that. I'm getting closer to

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Speaker 1: my I gotta work on my trade, Gaudy. Um David

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Speaker 1: in Mississippi on w j d X. What's up, sir, Hey, Hey,

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Speaker 1: what's up? Yes, sir, we can thank you for calling

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Speaker 1: in so well. I'm I'm married to a Mexican. I

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Speaker 1: love the show and listen to you every day. Thank

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Speaker 1: you so much. But we've been married fourteen years. Have

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Speaker 1: you ever been to Mexico? I have, indeed, sir, Okay,

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Speaker 1: well I have to. I've been probably about fifteen twenty times,

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Speaker 1: all over the all over the country, from the north

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Speaker 1: down to the south east west. I've been everywhere. And

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Speaker 1: I can tell you this, the Wall would be the

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Speaker 1: best thing that ever happened to Mexico. And and here's wine.

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Speaker 1: Uh my my wife's from a part of Mexico. It's

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Speaker 1: pretty poor, um and basically in that area, you if

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Speaker 1: you want to have a really good life. If you

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Speaker 1: want to have a shot at a decent life, you

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Speaker 1: two things. Uh, you either go into drugs or you

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Speaker 1: pack up and you go to the United States. And

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Speaker 1: of course there are some jobs down there, but you know,

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Speaker 1: those people down there, they make in a week what

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Speaker 1: we make in today. And if we filled the border wall,

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Speaker 1: it's gonna cut off a lot of the drugs and

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Speaker 1: it's gonna tremendously stopped, even more sound than now, the

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Speaker 1: flow of illegal aliens across the border. So what's gonna happen,

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Speaker 1: he is is uh, generations of Hispanics who have been

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Speaker 1: programmed to come to the US to make a good

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Speaker 1: life for themselves and send money back home. While all

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Speaker 1: of a sudden they're not gonna be able to do

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Speaker 1: that anymore. So when they get to the wall and

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Speaker 1: they turn around, they're gonna be staring at what is

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Speaker 1: truly the worst swamp in North America, and that is

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Speaker 1: Mexico City. They make their their political system, their government

587
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Speaker 1: makes are our swamp look like boy scouts. Corruption is

588
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Speaker 1: is legendary. So um, that's that's you know, David, I'm

589
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Speaker 1: i'm I think that the wall is a good idea.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna be running into a break here to second,

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Speaker 1: my friend, so I gotta I gotta leave it there

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Speaker 1: for now. But thank you for calling in. And I

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Speaker 1: wanted to say that the walls the topic of talk

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Speaker 1: about later on in the show. In fact, we have

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Speaker 1: somebody who is part of a consortium, a company that's

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Speaker 1: teaming up some other companies to put together a proposal

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Speaker 1: that's already under consideration for the or in the process

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Speaker 1: of consideration, um being considered. That would be a border

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Speaker 1: that would build a border wall and put the tech

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Speaker 1: in place and also work with people in the physical

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Speaker 1: barrier aspects of it. So that would be later on

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Speaker 1: in the show. We'll we'll get into that. UM I

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Speaker 1: still haven't hit on, but I promise you we will

604
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Speaker 1: not just do all this coverage on Trump. Though. You

605
00:36:37,120 --> 00:36:39,040
Speaker 1: look at the you look at the various news channels

606
00:36:39,080 --> 00:36:42,200
Speaker 1: right now across the country, it's just everything is Trump, Trump, Trump, Trump, Trump.

607
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Speaker 1: I mean, there's nothing else that is getting any attention

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Speaker 1: right now, which is a shame. It's just not you know,

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Speaker 1: And this is politics as a soap opera instead of

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Speaker 1: politics as a system intended to allow for the resolution

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Speaker 1: of conflict for the pursuit of better government action or

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Speaker 1: government in action to benefit all of us. Well, that's

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Speaker 1: really i'd like to think of as American politics. But

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Speaker 1: right now this is just gossip, soap opera, person to

615
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Speaker 1: person undermining. I mean, this is this is the White

616
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Speaker 1: House version of Game of Thrones. It's all scheming and

617
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Speaker 1: undermining and the media working with this guy and that

618
00:37:21,440 --> 00:37:25,120
Speaker 1: guy trying to do who knows what. Um, We've got

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Speaker 1: Anie McCarthy of Nash Review joining up with us in

620
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Speaker 1: a few minutes here to talk about all the legal

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Speaker 1: so what of this, and then we'll get into the

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Speaker 1: McMaster press conference from earlier today and let's talk about

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Speaker 1: isis and whole bunch of other stuff, and then we'll

624
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Speaker 1: get into some fun stories later on the show too,

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Speaker 1: I promise, so a lot more to cover, and uh,

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Speaker 1: please do check out bucks xing dot com. Also you

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Speaker 1: can call in at eight four four nine buck that

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Speaker 1: is eight four four to eight to five, and anytime

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Speaker 1: And I think we're going to transition into well, like

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Speaker 1: I said, we got Anie McCarthy, but then we'll get

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Speaker 1: into some McMaster stuff. Uh, I think McMaster was able

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Speaker 1: to really dampen the fires of media hatred today with

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Speaker 1: his press conference, at least able to take some of

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Speaker 1: the sting out of the Trump Russia disclosure allegations. But

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Speaker 1: now with this Comy memo, it's gonna be a long

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Speaker 1: twenty four hours. My friends, strap in, stay with me.

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Speaker 1: Welcome back to the Freedom hud on an island of

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Speaker 1: liberty where you're the party and it's full of fellow patriots.

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Speaker 1: Buck Sexton kicks it off, everybody. We're very pleased to

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Speaker 1: have our friend Andie McCarthy on the line. He is

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Speaker 1: a former Assistant U S Attorney for the Southern District

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Speaker 1: of New York, a bestselling author and contributing editor at

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Speaker 1: National Review. Andy, thanks for giving us a ring. Hey, Buck,

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Speaker 1: how are you? Um? You know, some stuff going on

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Speaker 1: out there. Andy, It's been quite a not a whole lot,

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00:38:59,360 --> 00:39:02,640
Speaker 1: been quite a day. Uh. Let's because I was talking

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Speaker 1: the last hour about the breaking news on this memo

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Speaker 1: from Comey, and I'm gonna clearly want your perspective on that.

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Speaker 1: But I haven't yet gotten much into the McMaster situation yet.

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Speaker 1: I know you wrote about a National Review, but here's

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Speaker 1: what McMaster said earlier, this is the National Security advisor

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Speaker 1: earlier today. What the President discussed with the foreign minister

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Speaker 1: was wholly appropriate to that conversation and is consistent with

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Speaker 1: the routine sharing of information between the President and and

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Speaker 1: any leaders with whom he's engaged, and from an intelligence partner,

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Speaker 1: I'm not going to be the one to confirm the

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Speaker 1: confirm that that sort of information they could that could

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Speaker 1: jeopardize could jeopardize our security. What did you think about

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00:39:45,840 --> 00:39:48,879
Speaker 1: the press conference today and just the the whole fiasco,

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Speaker 1: Andy Well, I thought, fuck that. Um that McMaster's answers

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Speaker 1: were loyally. Um. You know, I think what it appears

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Speaker 1: to have happened here is that assuming there was a disclosure. Uh.

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Speaker 1: And the President did seem to acknowledge himself today that

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Speaker 1: that he had disclosed classified information. Had that not been

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Speaker 1: the case, he wouldn't have had to say that it

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Speaker 1: was his right to do it. Uh. It clearly is

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Speaker 1: the president's right to disclose would have a classified information

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Speaker 1: he chooses to disclose, at least under American law. Um.

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Speaker 1: But you know, I think what happened is at least

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Speaker 1: the allegation is that he dropped a detail namely a

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Speaker 1: location that might have enabled the uh Russians if they

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Speaker 1: go to school on it, which of course they always do,

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Speaker 1: to figure out what the source or method of the

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Speaker 1: intelligence is that caused us to be able to know this.

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Speaker 1: This us about the potential of explosives hidden in laptops.

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Speaker 1: And what McMaster came out and said was that, uh,

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Speaker 1: this was a normal uh kind of conversation that the

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Speaker 1: president has in this kind of of setting, and that

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Speaker 1: he didn't communicate any methods or sources of information. And

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Speaker 1: I think that begs the question of whether what he

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Speaker 1: did commit or did reveal was proper to reveal, particularly

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Speaker 1: if we got it from a foreign intelligence service on

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Speaker 1: a promise that we wouldn't disclose it to anyone else,

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Speaker 1: and we didn't have permission to disclose it to anyone else.

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Speaker 1: The President wasn't being accused in the newspaper accounts that

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Speaker 1: I read of of revealing methods and sources of information.

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Speaker 1: He was being it was being suggested that he had

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Speaker 1: revealed a piece of information that was supposed to be

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Speaker 1: uh not revealed, which could tip off another intelligence service

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Speaker 1: and methods and sources. So you know, I thought it

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Speaker 1: was a carefully worded denial. Uh, and I mean any

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Speaker 1: you're you're you're a former prosecutor, a former federal prosecutor

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Speaker 1: for a couple of decades, right right. What does your

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Speaker 1: gut tell you about this one? Do you think he

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Speaker 1: messed up? Or what? Yeah? I think he messed up. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I'm getting that sense to me. So I want to

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Speaker 1: ask you you think he messed up? Yeah, I think

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Speaker 1: he I think he gave a detail he wasn't supposed

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Speaker 1: to give. And what they've been scrambling to do is

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Speaker 1: to say, basically, he didn't do something that was really,

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Speaker 1: really bad, and that it's not unusual for uh, you know,

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Speaker 1: high level officials in diplomatic exchanges to uh, you know,

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Speaker 1: I show you a little what I got, you showed

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Speaker 1: me a little what you got. You know, we don't know. Also, Buck,

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Speaker 1: you know, maybe the Russians gave us information to I

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Speaker 1: think that hasn't that hasn't come out in the coverage. Um,

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00:42:52,080 --> 00:42:54,640
Speaker 1: but it does sound like there was a piece of

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Speaker 1: information he wasn't supposed to give out and he gave

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Speaker 1: it out. Now, if that's the case, though, what mcmass

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Speaker 1: or did today and McMaster does have an impeccable reputation

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Speaker 1: um in military and intelligence circles, as well as being

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Speaker 1: known as a guy who will say what's on his mind.

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Speaker 1: And in fact, there are reports in recent weeks about

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Speaker 1: how he was kind of annoying Trump for speaking up

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Speaker 1: on some stuff. If what if what you're saying you know,

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Speaker 1: and I know I asked you for your gut. You're

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Speaker 1: not telling me that you know, and no one knows

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Speaker 1: who wasn't in that meeting right now. Um, but let

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Speaker 1: let's say that that's what happened, that Trump did mess

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Speaker 1: up here. Then what McMaster did today was what loyal

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Speaker 1: or not so great? Well, you know, there's two sides

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Speaker 1: to the story, Buck, and neither one of them is

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Speaker 1: very flattering. I mean, I think Trump screwed up, and

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Speaker 1: as you point out, we don't know, but that's this

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00:43:48,880 --> 00:43:51,400
Speaker 1: is my instinct. But I also think what he screwed

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00:43:51,480 --> 00:43:54,680
Speaker 1: up about was something that, um, you know, could be

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Speaker 1: damaging but probably contained. Uh. What I mean by that is,

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Speaker 1: you know, let's compare what else happened here, which is

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Speaker 1: that here's a here's a bit of information that there's

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Speaker 1: a chance that isis would never have had right, but

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Speaker 1: because it was reported the way that it was reported

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Speaker 1: in the media. Um ISIS now has a lot more

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Speaker 1: information than they would otherwise. But I want to actually

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Speaker 1: address that sound bite really quickly, Andy, and have you

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Speaker 1: respond to it. This is what National Security isserc Master

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Speaker 1: said about the media's role in all of this. All

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Speaker 1: of you are very familiar with the threat from ISIS.

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Speaker 1: All of you are very familiar with the territory of

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Speaker 1: controls stamp a much statement that I made yesterday. What

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Speaker 1: I'm saying is really the premise of that article is

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Speaker 1: false that in any way the President had a conversation

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Speaker 1: that was inappropriate or that resulted in any kind of

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Speaker 1: lapse in national security. And so I think the real issue,

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Speaker 1: and I think what I'd like to see really debated more,

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Speaker 1: is that our national security has been put at risk

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Speaker 1: by those violating confidentiality and those releasing information to the

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00:44:58,280 --> 00:45:01,960
Speaker 1: press that that that could that could be used, connected

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Speaker 1: with other information available, uh to make American citizens and

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Speaker 1: others more vulnerable. I mean, Andy, based on the reporting

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Speaker 1: that I was reading today CNN, I think that you know,

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00:45:11,719 --> 00:45:15,560
Speaker 1: the New York Times, a few outlets were claiming to

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Speaker 1: be in possession of information that was so damaging that

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Speaker 1: officials spent a long time with them pleading with them

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Speaker 1: not to publish it. Well, were they weren't in the

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00:45:23,360 --> 00:45:26,879
Speaker 1: room with Russia where they get all that stuff. Yeah,

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00:45:26,880 --> 00:45:30,640
Speaker 1: well that's that's exactly right. And you have to worry about,

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00:45:30,680 --> 00:45:34,920
Speaker 1: you know, number one, who's who's given out this information? Um?

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00:45:35,040 --> 00:45:38,280
Speaker 1: Is it coming from people who are in the room? Possible,

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00:45:38,320 --> 00:45:40,880
Speaker 1: but I doubt it. Is it coming from you know,

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Speaker 1: people who were briefed on what happened in the room? Likely? Uh?

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Speaker 1: But but the point is, and this goes to the

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Speaker 1: question usb buck about McMaster. Um. He may feel, and

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00:45:52,719 --> 00:45:56,759
Speaker 1: he may be entirely right about this that whatever the

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00:45:56,800 --> 00:46:02,640
Speaker 1: president did maybe comparative, lee minor compared to the damage

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Speaker 1: that was done by the way this was reported. And

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00:46:06,960 --> 00:46:09,520
Speaker 1: you know, for all this business about you know, we're

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Speaker 1: what we're looking out for here is what's best for

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Speaker 1: the country. You know, sometimes people make mistakes and your

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Speaker 1: choice is to to go public with them or to

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Speaker 1: try to contain the damage. And you know, to my mind,

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Speaker 1: having been in this situation once or twice, uh, you know,

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Speaker 1: what you try to do is contain the damage. And

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Speaker 1: I don't know that you know, these people who think

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Speaker 1: that they serve the country today by putting this out.

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Speaker 1: I just don't see it. You know, people do make

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Speaker 1: mistakes in the handling classified information. I've been saying that

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Speaker 1: all the times. That's why I said, you know, even

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Speaker 1: with Hillary, even with Hillary uh Andy, you know, an

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Speaker 1: email or two that had low level classified in it,

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Speaker 1: that would have I would have been like, yeah, that

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Speaker 1: can that could happen actually to a to a a

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Speaker 1: conscientious and decent person in the course of their business,

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Speaker 1: but over a d it is reckless, right, so so,

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00:47:01,480 --> 00:47:03,120
Speaker 1: but the point you're being that, you know, people do

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00:47:03,160 --> 00:47:06,239
Speaker 1: make mistakes, but the mistake seems to have been compounded

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Speaker 1: with the media or or perhaps you know, greatly exacerbated

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00:47:10,600 --> 00:47:12,960
Speaker 1: with the media going out and giving all this information.

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Speaker 1: And he can we keep you through a break to

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00:47:14,520 --> 00:47:16,719
Speaker 1: talk about the Comy memo. On the other side, we

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00:47:16,760 --> 00:47:18,000
Speaker 1: got a lot to talk about that. Do you have

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Speaker 1: a few Okay, great, Andy McCarthy, everybody, best selling author,

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Speaker 1: contributing editor National Review. We're going to talk about this

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Speaker 1: Comy memo claiming that Trump tried to shut down the

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Speaker 1: investigation into Flynn and the Russia stuff. We'll hit that

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Speaker 1: on the flip side, stay with me, see with us still.

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Speaker 1: He's a former U. S. Attorney, contributing editor National Review,

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Speaker 1: Nashal Review dot com. He's got a piece up right now,

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Speaker 1: intelligence lapses and double standards. Uh, and he wanted to

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Speaker 1: get you on the breaking news from just the last

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Speaker 1: couple hours here about the memo from Comy. What is

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Speaker 1: going on here? Well, it looks like Comy had a

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Speaker 1: meeting with the President and is said to have made

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Speaker 1: notes after the eating. The New York Times hasn't seen

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Speaker 1: the notes, but evidently, uh, people who were close to

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Speaker 1: Comy at the FBI, or at least one such person

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Speaker 1: has read them, at least parts of the memo. Uh.

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Speaker 1: And according to what the Time says, the memo that

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00:48:19,080 --> 00:48:25,600
Speaker 1: they haven't seen says um. President Trump suggested to Comy

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Speaker 1: that he really hoped that he could let the Flynn

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Speaker 1: investigation go, and that would of course be Michael Flynn.

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Speaker 1: As I understand that this is a conversation that happened

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Speaker 1: kind of impromptu, but you know, on the sidelines of

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Speaker 1: another meeting, just Comey and the President present the day

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Speaker 1: after Flynn was basically fired or or resigned under pressure. UM.

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Speaker 1: And that's what we know so far, we haven't heard

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Speaker 1: from Comey about whether the story is true. The White

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Speaker 1: House is saying that the story is not true. I

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Speaker 1: think buck to go back to what we were just

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Speaker 1: talking about. If the White House wants to put out

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Speaker 1: statements that things aren't true, it would be helpful over

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Speaker 1: the you know, last weeks and months if it hadn't

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Speaker 1: put out statements and then corrected the statements like five

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00:49:15,719 --> 00:49:19,280
Speaker 1: minutes later. Um. But for now, you know, we haven't

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Speaker 1: heard from any of the principal players. But it would

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Speaker 1: obviously be uh something that's more serious than what we've

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Speaker 1: had up until now, because the investigation of Flynn, unlike

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Speaker 1: the so called Russia investigation, is evidently a criminal investigation.

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Speaker 1: So there will be an allegation that the President was

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Speaker 1: pressuring the FBI, uh two drop the case against Flynn. Now, Andy,

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Speaker 1: you worked in the U. S. Attorney's office for a

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Speaker 1: long time. Let's let's just again for the purpose of discussion.

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Speaker 1: Everyone White House says it's not true. We don't know yet,

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Speaker 1: but let's just assume that that the memo is legit

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Speaker 1: and the wording is accurate, and that's what was said.

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Speaker 1: How big a deal is this, Well, I think it's

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Speaker 1: it's a big deal, but it's largely you know, I

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Speaker 1: hate to keep hitting the same issue, buck, but it's hard.

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Speaker 1: It's largely a partisan a big deal. And the reason

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Speaker 1: I say that is, you know, I was just going

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Speaker 1: back in time. On April, President Obama publicly stated that

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Speaker 1: Clinton Hillary Clinton had shown carelessness in using a private

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Speaker 1: server to handle classified information, but insisted that she had

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Speaker 1: no intent to endanger national security. Three months later, Comey

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Speaker 1: announced that they weren't bring charges because although Mrs Clinton

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Speaker 1: had shown carelessness in using a private email server to

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Speaker 1: handle classified information, he insisted that she had no intent

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Speaker 1: to endangered national security. So, you know, we have a

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Speaker 1: situation where Obama did precisely what Trump is accused of doing.

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Speaker 1: That is, he publicly let his subordinates know that he

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Speaker 1: didn't want this person charge and low and behold. Three

852
00:50:57,520 --> 00:50:59,759
Speaker 1: months later, they not only didn't charge her despite a

853
00:50:59,760 --> 00:51:04,160
Speaker 1: lot of evidence, but they virtually quoted what he said

854
00:51:04,160 --> 00:51:07,800
Speaker 1: in his public statement on April ten. And I've seen

855
00:51:07,840 --> 00:51:10,600
Speaker 1: some people that are saying, well, Trump, only you know

856
00:51:10,680 --> 00:51:12,759
Speaker 1: he said, I hope it was kind of off hand.

857
00:51:13,640 --> 00:51:16,960
Speaker 1: You know, your prosecutor, is there is there some leeway

858
00:51:17,040 --> 00:51:18,520
Speaker 1: for like, I was just kind of you know, I

859
00:51:18,560 --> 00:51:20,440
Speaker 1: was just kind of talking. I didn't it wasn't a

860
00:51:20,440 --> 00:51:22,600
Speaker 1: direct order or didn't follow up on it. I mean,

861
00:51:22,680 --> 00:51:25,120
Speaker 1: is that is that a way one could go here

862
00:51:25,120 --> 00:51:28,439
Speaker 1: with this Trump situation not to be a weasel book,

863
00:51:28,480 --> 00:51:30,239
Speaker 1: But as you pointed out at the beginning, we really

864
00:51:30,280 --> 00:51:32,200
Speaker 1: don't know exactly what was said, and we don't know

865
00:51:32,239 --> 00:51:35,879
Speaker 1: if the Times has mind like one statement that that

866
00:51:36,040 --> 00:51:40,200
Speaker 1: Trump made in a Greater Uh conversation that he and

867
00:51:40,280 --> 00:51:42,719
Speaker 1: Tommy had. But let's just to play it out. Let's

868
00:51:42,719 --> 00:51:46,000
Speaker 1: say Trump said to call me, Now, look, you do

869
00:51:46,080 --> 00:51:48,239
Speaker 1: whatever you think is right. And I'm not going to

870
00:51:48,360 --> 00:51:50,160
Speaker 1: complain about it one way or the other. But I

871
00:51:50,200 --> 00:51:52,759
Speaker 1: think flynd's a good guy, and I really hope that

872
00:51:53,520 --> 00:51:57,360
Speaker 1: you know, you you end up finding nothing. Um that

873
00:51:57,440 --> 00:52:00,440
Speaker 1: would not be good. But the broader context would be

874
00:52:00,560 --> 00:52:03,640
Speaker 1: would enable Trump to argue that, you know, he made

875
00:52:03,680 --> 00:52:06,640
Speaker 1: clear to call me that he was speaking about his

876
00:52:06,719 --> 00:52:10,480
Speaker 1: regard for Flynn, and he was not putting any pressure

877
00:52:11,040 --> 00:52:13,359
Speaker 1: on the FBI to come out a certain way. And

878
00:52:13,680 --> 00:52:16,040
Speaker 1: although he could have ordered the FBI to close the

879
00:52:16,080 --> 00:52:20,040
Speaker 1: investigation down, he didn't. So the context. Does the context matters?

880
00:52:20,760 --> 00:52:23,560
Speaker 1: I think it matters a lot. Okay, so we've we've

881
00:52:23,560 --> 00:52:26,600
Speaker 1: got to see more of this. But what I would

882
00:52:26,600 --> 00:52:32,160
Speaker 1: say it's it's not good, but you know it's less bad, Yes, right,

883
00:52:32,320 --> 00:52:34,560
Speaker 1: Right's less bad. What did you think about You know,

884
00:52:34,560 --> 00:52:36,000
Speaker 1: I didn't get a chance to ask you about this.

885
00:52:36,040 --> 00:52:37,160
Speaker 1: I know it's a little late in the in the

886
00:52:37,280 --> 00:52:39,960
Speaker 1: in the news game for this, but the whole they

887
00:52:40,000 --> 00:52:42,839
Speaker 1: call me firing. Uh, you know you were a guy

888
00:52:42,880 --> 00:52:45,360
Speaker 1: who was under the agis of the d o J.

889
00:52:45,680 --> 00:52:49,000
Speaker 1: Was your employer. What do you think about that? Uh? Yeah,

890
00:52:49,040 --> 00:52:52,839
Speaker 1: I feel very badly about it because you know, someone

891
00:52:52,880 --> 00:52:57,240
Speaker 1: I've known admired for thirty years. I think the President

892
00:52:57,280 --> 00:52:59,880
Speaker 1: had a basis to do it. Whether you decide that

893
00:53:00,000 --> 00:53:04,200
Speaker 1: of firing offense or not. Uh, he clearly went outside

894
00:53:04,239 --> 00:53:07,279
Speaker 1: the rules. It's pained me to be critical about him

895
00:53:07,360 --> 00:53:09,359
Speaker 1: for that, but you know, it is what it is.

896
00:53:09,400 --> 00:53:12,040
Speaker 1: If he had you know, if he hadn't broken the

897
00:53:12,120 --> 00:53:16,399
Speaker 1: rules in July by speaking publicly about an investigation, which

898
00:53:16,440 --> 00:53:19,319
Speaker 1: law enforcement doesn't do, he wouldn't have had anything to

899
00:53:19,360 --> 00:53:22,239
Speaker 1: correct in October, and you know, we wouldn't have been

900
00:53:22,280 --> 00:53:24,799
Speaker 1: in he wouldn't have been in the messy found himself in,

901
00:53:24,960 --> 00:53:27,440
Speaker 1: so you know, there was clearly a basis for it.

902
00:53:27,680 --> 00:53:30,080
Speaker 1: I hoped it wouldn't happen, but I'm not surprised it did.

903
00:53:30,800 --> 00:53:32,560
Speaker 1: Do you have any thoughts on who should replace him

904
00:53:32,680 --> 00:53:34,399
Speaker 1: or you know who you think would be the best

905
00:53:34,480 --> 00:53:38,680
Speaker 1: choice for FBI director? Well, I would want someone like

906
00:53:38,719 --> 00:53:41,560
Speaker 1: Gray Kelly, especially if for someone like Gray Kelly was

907
00:53:41,640 --> 00:53:45,520
Speaker 1: Ray Kelly. UM, that would be That would be my preference.

908
00:53:45,560 --> 00:53:49,359
Speaker 1: You know, somebody who had instant credibility and had exhibited

909
00:53:49,360 --> 00:53:53,840
Speaker 1: the ability to run uh, you know, bigger organizations and

910
00:53:53,960 --> 00:53:58,880
Speaker 1: the FBI actually um and run them really well. And

911
00:53:59,280 --> 00:54:01,799
Speaker 1: you know, again, be somebody who could come in and

912
00:54:01,800 --> 00:54:03,960
Speaker 1: study the ship. I think much the way, for example,

913
00:54:03,960 --> 00:54:06,239
Speaker 1: that Judge Mukasey came in and studied the ship at

914
00:54:06,239 --> 00:54:08,960
Speaker 1: the Justice Department when it was reeling a little bit

915
00:54:09,000 --> 00:54:12,160
Speaker 1: back in two thousand seven. Do you think we're in

916
00:54:12,600 --> 00:54:15,440
Speaker 1: a whole new territory here at the Trump administration? We're

917
00:54:15,440 --> 00:54:18,480
Speaker 1: speaking to Annie McCarthy by everybody of National Review, Andy,

918
00:54:18,520 --> 00:54:21,439
Speaker 1: are we in a new and more difficult place now

919
00:54:21,560 --> 00:54:22,880
Speaker 1: or in a couple of days we're gonna be back

920
00:54:22,920 --> 00:54:26,239
Speaker 1: to talking about infrastructure projects and building a wall. Well,

921
00:54:26,280 --> 00:54:29,319
Speaker 1: I who's had time to talk about infrastructure projects and

922
00:54:29,360 --> 00:54:31,879
Speaker 1: building a wall, right, I mean, just keeps coming at

923
00:54:31,920 --> 00:54:33,600
Speaker 1: us fast and furious. I think we are in a

924
00:54:33,640 --> 00:54:36,960
Speaker 1: different place book because we have somebody who is a

925
00:54:37,080 --> 00:54:41,319
Speaker 1: very different kind of president who seems to, uh, you know,

926
00:54:41,400 --> 00:54:44,880
Speaker 1: tilt against every convention of Washington. And we really have

927
00:54:45,560 --> 00:54:49,279
Speaker 1: even you know, I'm old enough to remember Watergate. I was,

928
00:54:49,360 --> 00:54:51,920
Speaker 1: I was a teenager, but I still remember it. I

929
00:54:52,040 --> 00:54:58,840
Speaker 1: really have not seen open warfare on especially in new presidency. Uh,

930
00:54:59,160 --> 00:55:01,480
Speaker 1: like this in in the media. And you know, you

931
00:55:01,480 --> 00:55:04,520
Speaker 1: can argue if you're especially if you're a Trump detractor,

932
00:55:04,600 --> 00:55:07,040
Speaker 1: that you know, some of it's justified. The president brings

933
00:55:07,040 --> 00:55:09,799
Speaker 1: a lot of it on himself. There's no question that

934
00:55:09,840 --> 00:55:15,000
Speaker 1: he does some peculiar things. But I mean, man, it's

935
00:55:15,160 --> 00:55:19,680
Speaker 1: it really is like the the open hostility and the

936
00:55:19,719 --> 00:55:23,840
Speaker 1: pressure that are that is on Democrats, uh to resist

937
00:55:23,880 --> 00:55:26,919
Speaker 1: everything Trump wants to do, to not give him his confirmations,

938
00:55:26,960 --> 00:55:29,400
Speaker 1: to basically not let him govern. So that from that

939
00:55:29,520 --> 00:55:31,759
Speaker 1: of the box have been trying to strangle this presidency

940
00:55:31,800 --> 00:55:35,640
Speaker 1: between the media and the Democrats in its infancy. Yeah,

941
00:55:35,680 --> 00:55:39,640
Speaker 1: I've never seen anything quite like that before. I certainly

942
00:55:39,640 --> 00:55:42,160
Speaker 1: haven't either Andy, Well, we'll see where all this goes. Um,

943
00:55:42,320 --> 00:55:45,239
Speaker 1: and so much appreciate you joining us and making extra

944
00:55:45,239 --> 00:55:48,360
Speaker 1: time as well, especially given what's going on. Your perspective

945
00:55:48,440 --> 00:55:52,560
Speaker 1: is invaluable. And McCarthy everybody, former U S Attorney, contributing

946
00:55:52,640 --> 00:55:54,799
Speaker 1: editor at National Review. He's got a piece up right now.

947
00:55:55,000 --> 00:55:57,440
Speaker 1: It's in the bann Or may Peace up on nashview

948
00:55:57,480 --> 00:56:00,560
Speaker 1: dot com. Intelligence lapses and double standard. Andy, thank you

949
00:56:00,600 --> 00:56:03,160
Speaker 1: so much. Thanks b All. Great to talk to you

950
00:56:03,160 --> 00:56:10,200
Speaker 1: you too, guys man, This is uh, it's been it's

951
00:56:10,239 --> 00:56:12,200
Speaker 1: been a rough forty eight hours for the Trump tea.

952
00:56:12,320 --> 00:56:15,600
Speaker 1: Let's just be honest about it. And it does sound

953
00:56:15,680 --> 00:56:18,200
Speaker 1: like maybe and and I wanted to I wanted to

954
00:56:18,200 --> 00:56:20,960
Speaker 1: get Andy on this one because he always has a

955
00:56:21,040 --> 00:56:24,160
Speaker 1: very good sense of of what's between the lines and

956
00:56:24,160 --> 00:56:26,759
Speaker 1: and you know, what's real and what's not. Uh, And

957
00:56:26,960 --> 00:56:28,719
Speaker 1: it looks like maybe Trump did make a bit of

958
00:56:28,719 --> 00:56:32,440
Speaker 1: a blunder in that Russia interview. Maybe I'm not saying definitely,

959
00:56:32,520 --> 00:56:36,120
Speaker 1: but there are certainly some data points you could start. Now,

960
00:56:36,440 --> 00:56:39,399
Speaker 1: has that been exaggerated? Yes, I think that I think

961
00:56:39,400 --> 00:56:43,840
Speaker 1: the scale of the blunder was probably greatly exaggerated. But

962
00:56:43,920 --> 00:56:47,080
Speaker 1: you know, he's then they've got to have discipline. Um.

963
00:56:47,120 --> 00:56:50,280
Speaker 1: You know, he's got swagger, he's got message, he's got

964
00:56:50,520 --> 00:56:53,000
Speaker 1: and he's a fighter. But you know, I think Trump

965
00:56:53,040 --> 00:56:55,759
Speaker 1: these days needs to be more of a more of

966
00:56:55,800 --> 00:56:57,560
Speaker 1: a fighter, you know, more of a boxer, and less

967
00:56:57,560 --> 00:56:59,839
Speaker 1: of a puncher. You know, I think that he's used

968
00:56:59,840 --> 00:57:03,360
Speaker 1: to just throwing haymakers and getting the desired result against

969
00:57:03,360 --> 00:57:06,680
Speaker 1: the media, against political opponents. But right now he's in

970
00:57:06,719 --> 00:57:10,040
Speaker 1: a war of attrition. It's different, it's a different kind

971
00:57:10,080 --> 00:57:13,359
Speaker 1: of fight. And uh, he needs to be picking his

972
00:57:13,760 --> 00:57:18,200
Speaker 1: picking his punches and you know, avoiding things like this

973
00:57:18,240 --> 00:57:20,200
Speaker 1: where he's getting one he's getting hit right on the

974
00:57:20,240 --> 00:57:23,680
Speaker 1: chin with this one. This is tough. Um. Also, he

975
00:57:23,720 --> 00:57:28,200
Speaker 1: doesn't he doesn't have a background in handling classified information,

976
00:57:28,600 --> 00:57:33,400
Speaker 1: in uh, the ethics of being a public official. And

977
00:57:33,440 --> 00:57:35,080
Speaker 1: I know that you know that probably a lot of

978
00:57:35,080 --> 00:57:37,520
Speaker 1: people would yell me for saying this, But the one

979
00:57:37,560 --> 00:57:40,040
Speaker 1: thing you do know, at least with with career politicians,

980
00:57:40,400 --> 00:57:44,120
Speaker 1: is that they're aware of what their ethical constraints are.

981
00:57:44,360 --> 00:57:45,960
Speaker 1: That doesn't mean it stops them. I mean, look at

982
00:57:45,960 --> 00:57:47,520
Speaker 1: the Clintons, right, and for some of them, it just

983
00:57:47,560 --> 00:57:49,440
Speaker 1: means that they are more adept at trying to get

984
00:57:49,440 --> 00:57:51,160
Speaker 1: around them, and with the Clintons, they even get caught

985
00:57:51,160 --> 00:57:53,760
Speaker 1: and it doesn't seem to matter. But could Trump have

986
00:57:53,800 --> 00:57:57,520
Speaker 1: maybe blundered into some stuff here because he didn't know, um,

987
00:57:57,600 --> 00:57:59,920
Speaker 1: because he figured he could just say that to Comey,

988
00:58:00,120 --> 00:58:02,280
Speaker 1: or he could say that to the Russians and it

989
00:58:02,800 --> 00:58:06,520
Speaker 1: you know, it's not a big deal. Maybe maybe Um,

990
00:58:06,880 --> 00:58:09,360
Speaker 1: it's not the end of the world, but it's not great.

991
00:58:09,440 --> 00:58:11,800
Speaker 1: Last twenty four hours. We'll hit a quick break team

992
00:58:11,800 --> 00:58:18,240
Speaker 1: will right back. He spreads freedom because freedom is not

993
00:58:18,280 --> 00:58:23,400
Speaker 1: gonna spread itself. Buck sext in his back. Calls are

994
00:58:23,520 --> 00:58:26,280
Speaker 1: coming in and the lines are lit. My friends, we

995
00:58:26,360 --> 00:58:30,320
Speaker 1: got phone calls bouncing around in here like crazy, like

996
00:58:30,400 --> 00:58:35,200
Speaker 1: drunk fraternity brothers in a bouncy castle. Lines are bouncing. Uh,

997
00:58:35,280 --> 00:58:40,400
Speaker 1: let's take him, um, Matt, we got to Timothy in Georgia.

998
00:58:40,560 --> 00:58:44,680
Speaker 1: What's going on? Timothy? Hey? Buck, Hey, buddy, love you man?

999
00:58:47,240 --> 00:58:51,080
Speaker 1: Correct me if I'm wrong? Did call me? Not say

1000
00:58:51,120 --> 00:58:55,440
Speaker 1: that they did not interview Anthony Weiner in Congress and

1001
00:58:55,520 --> 00:58:59,680
Speaker 1: front Connress. I think that's correct. Yeah, Anthony Wiener's got

1002
00:58:59,680 --> 00:59:05,960
Speaker 1: other problems that that's exactly what Comey said that Athony

1003
00:59:06,000 --> 00:59:10,160
Speaker 1: Weiner had other criminal issues going on. So my question

1004
00:59:10,400 --> 00:59:12,680
Speaker 1: is is that all that needs to be going on

1005
00:59:12,800 --> 00:59:15,800
Speaker 1: in one person's life. They got other criminal issues, and

1006
00:59:15,840 --> 00:59:18,600
Speaker 1: the FBI goes as well, and we can't interview him.

1007
00:59:18,720 --> 00:59:20,600
Speaker 1: He's got a speaking to beause you gotta take care

1008
00:59:20,600 --> 00:59:26,040
Speaker 1: of Clearly, that's not true, right, I mean, if you

1009
00:59:26,040 --> 00:59:27,960
Speaker 1: you know, it's not like they're like, well, you were

1010
00:59:28,000 --> 00:59:30,800
Speaker 1: you were trafficking firearms, but also there's that drug thing.

1011
00:59:30,800 --> 00:59:32,880
Speaker 1: We're gonna focus on the you know, on the uh

1012
00:59:33,320 --> 00:59:37,480
Speaker 1: the kilos of heroin we found in your trunk instead. Uh. Yeah,

1013
00:59:37,920 --> 00:59:39,920
Speaker 1: I don't think that that's what they were saying. Um,

1014
00:59:40,000 --> 00:59:44,640
Speaker 1: I don't know what the status of um the investigation

1015
00:59:45,440 --> 00:59:49,320
Speaker 1: was or is into uh what's his name, Anthony Weiner

1016
00:59:49,600 --> 00:59:51,600
Speaker 1: with regard to the Hillary emails and all that. I

1017
00:59:51,880 --> 00:59:56,200
Speaker 1: guess the FBI decided that there's really nothing they needed

1018
00:59:56,240 --> 01:00:00,600
Speaker 1: to ask him, but told me Comy decided that's right,

1019
01:00:02,240 --> 01:00:03,720
Speaker 1: Timmy know, you're you're getting in one of the big

1020
01:00:03,720 --> 01:00:06,280
Speaker 1: problems here, which is that we're we are losing faith

1021
01:00:07,400 --> 01:00:10,520
Speaker 1: in institutions in this country, and I've been for some

1022
01:00:10,680 --> 01:00:13,040
Speaker 1: time as a result of this election, of the current

1023
01:00:13,040 --> 01:00:15,600
Speaker 1: political fight not just the media, which I mean now

1024
01:00:15,640 --> 01:00:18,480
Speaker 1: I don't even know. I feel like I opened up

1025
01:00:18,480 --> 01:00:19,960
Speaker 1: the New York Times, they tell me what the weather

1026
01:00:20,000 --> 01:00:22,120
Speaker 1: is supposed to be, and I'm like, well, that's not accurate.

1027
01:00:23,400 --> 01:00:25,480
Speaker 1: It's really hard to take them seriously on some of

1028
01:00:25,520 --> 01:00:29,560
Speaker 1: this stuff exactly. But the reason why I called was

1029
01:00:29,600 --> 01:00:32,000
Speaker 1: that that just hit me. When you're talking to your guest, um,

1030
01:00:32,520 --> 01:00:37,280
Speaker 1: the media is definitely steering the narrative. I'm an average voter,

1031
01:00:37,640 --> 01:00:43,560
Speaker 1: and I voted for Trump. I'm an average American. I

1032
01:00:43,560 --> 01:00:50,880
Speaker 1: don't care about what Trump said to the Russians. I

1033
01:00:51,000 --> 01:00:55,800
Speaker 1: care about where's my tax cut? I care about where's

1034
01:00:55,840 --> 01:00:59,959
Speaker 1: the health care? I care about things that we voted

1035
01:01:00,120 --> 01:01:04,520
Speaker 1: for and everybody. It's like CNN and the left wing media.

1036
01:01:04,680 --> 01:01:07,800
Speaker 1: Whatever they throw out, it's never gonna end. Are we

1037
01:01:07,880 --> 01:01:11,480
Speaker 1: gonna spend the next core years responding and reacting to

1038
01:01:11,560 --> 01:01:16,760
Speaker 1: what they put out fake news or not? You know,

1039
01:01:18,240 --> 01:01:20,800
Speaker 1: I don't care about that. I care about us moving

1040
01:01:20,840 --> 01:01:25,000
Speaker 1: forward and and and get into the problems of the

1041
01:01:25,000 --> 01:01:28,000
Speaker 1: American people and why Trump is there. Well, Tim, I

1042
01:01:28,040 --> 01:01:29,720
Speaker 1: agree with a lot of that. I would say that

1043
01:01:29,800 --> 01:01:34,400
Speaker 1: I only care about the media food fight. Uh, insofar

1044
01:01:34,480 --> 01:01:39,160
Speaker 1: as it prevents national discussion and the administration's movement on

1045
01:01:39,200 --> 01:01:41,919
Speaker 1: those on those other issues. Uh, you know, I want

1046
01:01:41,920 --> 01:01:44,920
Speaker 1: to hold the administration's feed to the fire on on

1047
01:01:45,280 --> 01:01:47,760
Speaker 1: coming through on promises that were made during the campaign.

1048
01:01:47,880 --> 01:01:50,000
Speaker 1: I don't want to sit here in pars what we

1049
01:01:50,040 --> 01:01:53,120
Speaker 1: know and don't know about a memo from Komi and Trump.

1050
01:01:53,200 --> 01:01:56,520
Speaker 1: And you know this is not this is not productive

1051
01:01:56,720 --> 01:01:59,400
Speaker 1: for the country. It's not worthwhile. But if we don't

1052
01:02:00,000 --> 01:02:03,200
Speaker 1: wish back on the narrative, the political pressure on members

1053
01:02:03,240 --> 01:02:05,520
Speaker 1: of Congress, you know, it could reach a point where

1054
01:02:05,560 --> 01:02:07,919
Speaker 1: they just decide, you know what, um, we know we

1055
01:02:07,920 --> 01:02:11,560
Speaker 1: we can't handle us anymore. Trump's it theoretically look at

1056
01:02:11,600 --> 01:02:13,600
Speaker 1: reach a point with Clinton where he got impeached. You

1057
01:02:13,600 --> 01:02:16,520
Speaker 1: know you you could have members of the House decide

1058
01:02:16,520 --> 01:02:18,120
Speaker 1: that they're just not gonna deal with this anymore, and

1059
01:02:18,200 --> 01:02:20,680
Speaker 1: then where are we right? So you know that that's

1060
01:02:20,720 --> 01:02:22,400
Speaker 1: why you know, I agree with you. I don't want

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Speaker 1: to be in this fight. But at some point, you know,

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01:02:25,200 --> 01:02:27,840
Speaker 1: the enemy gets a vote. If you're the Democrats, here

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Speaker 1: is the political opposition, they get a vote. I here's

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01:02:30,920 --> 01:02:33,800
Speaker 1: some fake news for you. Let's let's talk term limits.

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01:02:34,560 --> 01:02:36,960
Speaker 1: Let's talk about turn with term limits and see what

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Speaker 1: kind of explosion happens in Washington so that they will

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Speaker 1: they will hate term limits. Of course, Timothy and Georgie

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Speaker 1: are great to talk to you, Mann, thank you for

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Speaker 1: calling in Shields High. Um, we've got Scott and Florida

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Speaker 1: w fl F. Hey Scott, Hey Bud. We'll love your

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Speaker 1: show down here. Man, We're loving our president. Um, thank you.

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Speaker 1: The media. The media has gotten so bad, man, We're

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01:03:00,480 --> 01:03:03,400
Speaker 1: just disgusting and you can't even really listen to it anymore.

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01:03:03,960 --> 01:03:07,240
Speaker 1: And the Congress is doing nothing. It's just one investigation

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01:03:07,280 --> 01:03:11,120
Speaker 1: after another. It's a silly and you know, the only

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Speaker 1: thing Republicans had to fear in this next election is

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Speaker 1: being primaried by real Republicans. Trump's gonna have to put

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01:03:17,200 --> 01:03:19,840
Speaker 1: a coalition together, like doing Europe. You're going together hand,

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01:03:19,880 --> 01:03:24,520
Speaker 1: get some Trump Republicans and elect we'll see right right now,

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Speaker 1: I think Trump has got his own problems, but we'll

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Speaker 1: see where we are in the mid terms. Um. I

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01:03:29,520 --> 01:03:32,400
Speaker 1: don't know why it is that we let Republicans in

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01:03:32,440 --> 01:03:37,520
Speaker 1: the Congress get away with so much ineptitude and in action.

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01:03:37,600 --> 01:03:40,720
Speaker 1: You know there they can't they can't get stuff done.

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01:03:40,760 --> 01:03:43,600
Speaker 1: They don't get stuff done. And you know that, You've

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01:03:43,600 --> 01:03:45,920
Speaker 1: got so many Democrats running around making the case all

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01:03:45,960 --> 01:03:48,440
Speaker 1: the time for how terrible Trump is. From the Congress,

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01:03:49,280 --> 01:03:51,680
Speaker 1: you'll notice not a lot of Republicans standing up standing

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01:03:51,720 --> 01:03:54,160
Speaker 1: up to defend this administration. It's and and to focus

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Speaker 1: Scott on the issues that matter to the American public,

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01:03:57,440 --> 01:03:59,160
Speaker 1: or at least the American public that voted for Trump.

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01:04:00,720 --> 01:04:02,960
Speaker 1: We want my president to go forward with his agenda

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01:04:03,120 --> 01:04:05,240
Speaker 1: and do what he said he would do and will

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01:04:05,280 --> 01:04:08,680
Speaker 1: be not hampered by these people we see. Thanks God,

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Speaker 1: thank you, sir, Mark and Mississippi w b V. Hey Mark,

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Speaker 1: Hey ba, how you doing. I'm all right, I'm you know,

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01:04:16,600 --> 01:04:19,960
Speaker 1: it's it's been a busy day or so. Yeah. Hey, yes,

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01:04:20,120 --> 01:04:23,280
Speaker 1: I listened to you yesterday. I'm I'm on my work.

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01:04:23,360 --> 01:04:27,760
Speaker 1: I called him before and promoting the coast here and

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01:04:27,800 --> 01:04:31,360
Speaker 1: I was wondering if you at uh taking your trip

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01:04:31,440 --> 01:04:34,360
Speaker 1: down here yet? Not yet, man, I'm looking forward to it. Though.

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Speaker 1: I love all my Mississippi callers and listeners. I appreciate

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01:04:37,840 --> 01:04:40,960
Speaker 1: them supporting the show so much. Yeah, I hear them

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01:04:41,000 --> 01:04:44,720
Speaker 1: every now and then, So go Mississippi. They're getting involved.

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Speaker 1: Um My comment was, and I guess I'm falling in

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Speaker 1: line with the previous two colors. It's just it's just

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01:04:54,920 --> 01:05:02,320
Speaker 1: totally frustrating to me, said, um um, if we're getting

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01:05:02,440 --> 01:05:06,400
Speaker 1: sidetracked on on all this stuff, then we don't have

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01:05:07,200 --> 01:05:12,160
Speaker 1: a Congress that's sticking up sticking up for him because

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01:05:12,200 --> 01:05:15,760
Speaker 1: I fall in the camp I'm wanting him to uh

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Speaker 1: succeed and do the things that he promised. And um,

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Speaker 1: I just you know, we've gone to we gotta have

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01:05:24,720 --> 01:05:29,080
Speaker 1: one investigation out of it after another. But yet we

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01:05:29,200 --> 01:05:32,880
Speaker 1: got billions of dollars missing from the State Department, and

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01:05:32,960 --> 01:05:37,520
Speaker 1: the Iran deal and and uh uranium sold to Russia

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01:05:37,600 --> 01:05:43,080
Speaker 1: and we don't have any investigations into that, and uh,

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01:05:43,160 --> 01:05:46,040
Speaker 1: it just really gets frustrating. But to get a comment

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01:05:46,240 --> 01:05:51,680
Speaker 1: from you is um it just it really kind of

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01:05:51,760 --> 01:05:58,080
Speaker 1: ticks me off. We have a um of Russian ambassador

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Speaker 1: or uh whoever comes to meet Trump, and I guess

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01:06:03,280 --> 01:06:07,000
Speaker 1: my issue is this guy's going to travel thousands of

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01:06:07,080 --> 01:06:10,600
Speaker 1: miles to meet the US president and I guess all

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Speaker 1: they can talk about is how your how is your family,

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01:06:14,080 --> 01:06:19,520
Speaker 1: how's your kids? Hi? Hello? I mean to know, they're

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Speaker 1: they're supposed to have more more substantive exchange than that, Mark,

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Speaker 1: But we will we will find I. I hear you, Man,

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01:06:26,480 --> 01:06:28,240
Speaker 1: I hear Mark I, and I do appreciate you calling

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Speaker 1: and thank you sir. Um. One thing I wanted to

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Speaker 1: know we got the Washington Posts Karen to multi on

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Speaker 1: that whole exchange with the Russians is what the previous

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Speaker 1: calum made me think of this. Um, let's play this.

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Speaker 1: Some information has been withheld by the Washington Post. Yes, yes,

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Speaker 1: our reporters have a lot more details that we are

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Speaker 1: not publishing in the interest of national security and you know,

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Speaker 1: protecting people who might otherwise be compromised. Uh. I wonder

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01:06:57,280 --> 01:06:59,960
Speaker 1: if we're going to see more of that may maybe

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01:07:00,040 --> 01:07:03,840
Speaker 1: today they're protecting national security, but tomorrow there's another little detail,

1138
01:07:03,960 --> 01:07:08,480
Speaker 1: just to just to stir the pot. Drip, drip drip,

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Speaker 1: My friends, the leak will continual in the leaking. UM.

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Speaker 1: Maggie and Mississippi, we kind of Mississippi representing today in

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Speaker 1: the freedom of Maggie Mississippi. Good to have you, Hey, Buck,

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Speaker 1: how are you doing to day? I'm good. Thank you

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Speaker 1: for calling in, thank you for taking my call. Um.

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Speaker 1: So my question to you is when we get a

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Speaker 1: new FBI director, UM, do you think he'll reopen the

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01:07:36,120 --> 01:07:40,840
Speaker 1: investigation on this Hillary Clinton and in depth going through

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01:07:40,920 --> 01:07:43,720
Speaker 1: with what Trump wanted to do in the beginning is

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Speaker 1: actually put her in prison. You know, that's a very

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01:07:48,840 --> 01:07:53,840
Speaker 1: interesting question, Maggie. I think the answer is no. But

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Speaker 1: let me but let me work through that a little bit. Here.

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01:07:57,360 --> 01:07:59,640
Speaker 1: The statute of limitations for what Hillary did would not

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Speaker 1: have as so it's not like it's beyond prosecution, and

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01:08:04,600 --> 01:08:07,320
Speaker 1: the I do not believe that there There was certainly

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01:08:07,320 --> 01:08:11,400
Speaker 1: not a trial, so no double jeopardy applies, and there

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Speaker 1: I don't think was even any sort of deferred prosecution

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Speaker 1: agreement or anything like that. Right. I was somebody who

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01:08:19,320 --> 01:08:24,920
Speaker 1: was actually very intrigued by the theory that Obama UM

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01:08:25,439 --> 01:08:28,960
Speaker 1: could have or should have pardoned Hillary specifically because of this.

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Speaker 1: But then you get an according to what I was

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Speaker 1: told or what I read, that because she wasn't ever

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Speaker 1: formally charged. Well that's what I'm saying. Yeah, That's what

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Speaker 1: I'm saying, is that is that, you know, Obama really

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01:08:42,479 --> 01:08:44,719
Speaker 1: could have stepped in and pardoned her, but that would

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Speaker 1: have been so politically damaging before the election that he

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Speaker 1: would have to pardon her and it would be an

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Speaker 1: admission that what she did was criminal. That but that

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01:08:53,280 --> 01:08:55,720
Speaker 1: as a result of him not doing that, she is

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Speaker 1: still theoretically subject to legal jeopardy here. But I will

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Speaker 1: say is I do not believe that Trump is willing

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Speaker 1: I do not believe that Trump is willing to um or.

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Speaker 1: I should say that any FBI director that he brings

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Speaker 1: in would be willing to re uh well, to not reinvestigate,

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01:09:17,160 --> 01:09:18,439
Speaker 1: but to look at that again and come to a

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01:09:18,479 --> 01:09:24,439
Speaker 1: different decision. It would be too politically toxic. Um. That's

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01:09:24,520 --> 01:09:27,400
Speaker 1: just my Now, I'm not basing that, that's my analysis.

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Speaker 1: That's my estimation of the situation. I could be wrong,

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Speaker 1: and and legally speaking, there's nothing to stop the next

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Speaker 1: FBI director from bringing the case. But you know, now

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Speaker 1: you get into a one FBI director says that no one,

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01:09:42,240 --> 01:09:45,879
Speaker 1: no one should bring charges. Another FBI director recommends charges.

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01:09:46,880 --> 01:09:49,519
Speaker 1: UM puts us in a precarious position. You know what

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Speaker 1: I mean, Maggie. I don't think they'll do it. I

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Speaker 1: will tell you this, I would bet against them. He

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01:09:58,560 --> 01:10:07,760
Speaker 1: was so politically cited, it was it was unbelievable. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean, he he stepped out. He was clearly political.

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01:10:11,720 --> 01:10:13,519
Speaker 1: Look it's a it's a tough Maggie. Thank you for

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Speaker 1: calling in Shieldsie. It was a tough call. I'm not

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Speaker 1: going to pretend that it wasn't or that it's not that,

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Speaker 1: you know, going forward somebody else. Now, to those of

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Speaker 1: you who are wondering the the the comparable cases for

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01:10:30,360 --> 01:10:32,400
Speaker 1: you know, the Hillary email situation, we mean she she

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Speaker 1: probably look at General Petreus. I mean, you're probably not

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Speaker 1: looking at any prison time even if they did. Uh,

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Speaker 1: I don't know, it's it was a book, the spon oject.

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01:10:40,320 --> 01:10:41,599
Speaker 1: I know, but if you look at the way these

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Speaker 1: cases tend to be prosecuted, um, that would be uh,

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Speaker 1: you know that she would probably take some sort of

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Speaker 1: agreement and they would look at other cases of you know,

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Speaker 1: classified violations, and they would say, well, you know, if

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Speaker 1: so and so was doing this intentionally and willfully and egregiously.

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Speaker 1: Uh you know, let you look at somebody like Chelsea

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Speaker 1: Manning and served you know, six years for trying to

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01:11:07,600 --> 01:11:10,720
Speaker 1: release as much classified on purpose as as possible. Yeah,

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01:11:10,720 --> 01:11:13,320
Speaker 1: I mean Hillary would probably for a fraction of that,

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01:11:13,520 --> 01:11:16,280
Speaker 1: and with the idea that it might not be you know,

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Speaker 1: that it wasn't intentional. In the same way or you

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Speaker 1: know whatever. I'm now getting down the rabbit hole of

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Speaker 1: the theory here quite a bit. But UM, you know,

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Speaker 1: I don't think she's gonna I don't think she's going

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Speaker 1: to prison anybody everybody. Now, given that you'd have a

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Speaker 1: new Attorney General and a new FBI director and a

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Speaker 1: new policy on federal sentence like, I don't know. I mean,

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01:11:37,439 --> 01:11:41,280
Speaker 1: I'm I'm making a lot of I'm sticking my stick

1214
01:11:41,320 --> 01:11:42,560
Speaker 1: in my head out the window on this one and

1215
01:11:42,760 --> 01:11:44,800
Speaker 1: screaming down the street. And I could be I could

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01:11:44,800 --> 01:11:49,280
Speaker 1: be way off. So we will see. That's the most

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01:11:49,280 --> 01:11:51,519
Speaker 1: that I guess I can be sure of right now. Uh,

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01:11:51,680 --> 01:11:53,479
Speaker 1: taking a quick break your team, flip side. We will

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01:11:53,520 --> 01:11:55,519
Speaker 1: hit more on. I want to talk a bit about

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Speaker 1: this Seth Rich d n C conspiracy theory that's out

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01:11:59,160 --> 01:12:02,439
Speaker 1: there because there was news baking on that today. Um,

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01:12:02,560 --> 01:12:05,120
Speaker 1: so we will get into that. I'll be right back.

1223
01:12:08,439 --> 01:12:12,720
Speaker 1: So the report on Fox News was getting a lot

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Speaker 1: of attention earlier today family and then there was an

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Speaker 1: update to a family of slain d NC staff for

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Speaker 1: Seth Rich blast detective over report of Wiki leaks link.

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Speaker 1: So here's here's what the piece says. Now, the family

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Speaker 1: of Democratic National Committee staffer who was gunned down on

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Speaker 1: July tenth and a Washington d c. Street blasted reports

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Speaker 1: that he was a source of emails leaked to Wiki leaks.

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01:12:36,600 --> 01:12:40,639
Speaker 1: Rod Wheeler, retired Washington homicide detective and Fox News contributor

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Speaker 1: investigating the case on behalf of the Rich family, made

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Speaker 1: the Wiki leaks claim, which was corroborated by a federal

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01:12:47,479 --> 01:12:52,840
Speaker 1: investigator who spoke to Fox News. UM, but spokes and

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Speaker 1: for for Riches family said Wheeler was not authorized to

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Speaker 1: speak for the family and called the assertions that Seth

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01:12:58,640 --> 01:13:03,639
Speaker 1: Rich sent emails to WikiLeaks unsubstantiated. I have not been

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01:13:03,760 --> 01:13:08,040
Speaker 1: following this very closely. We did ask for Rod Wheeler,

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01:13:08,120 --> 01:13:12,240
Speaker 1: the former DC homicide investigator, who is the private investigator

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01:13:12,439 --> 01:13:14,960
Speaker 1: attached to this and who's been, um, the source for

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01:13:15,000 --> 01:13:19,000
Speaker 1: this information. UM. I well, we asked to become on

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01:13:19,040 --> 01:13:21,080
Speaker 1: the show today. We were unable to get through, but

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01:13:21,120 --> 01:13:25,360
Speaker 1: we'll keep trying. UM. So, there's some stuff about this

1244
01:13:25,400 --> 01:13:31,680
Speaker 1: case that certainly raises ironbrows. UM. But you know, we

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01:13:31,960 --> 01:13:34,719
Speaker 1: need an answer as to whether there was a seth Reach,

1246
01:13:34,800 --> 01:13:37,280
Speaker 1: a Seth Rich Wiki leaks connection or not. That will

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01:13:37,360 --> 01:13:40,040
Speaker 1: that will tell us a lot. I still think that

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01:13:40,120 --> 01:13:46,200
Speaker 1: this is a very tragic and random act of violence

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01:13:46,240 --> 01:13:48,040
Speaker 1: on the streets of d C, which, as somebody who

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01:13:48,080 --> 01:13:49,920
Speaker 1: lived in DC for years, I can tell you it

1251
01:13:50,000 --> 01:13:52,320
Speaker 1: happens there, and it comes it can come out of

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01:13:52,320 --> 01:13:55,560
Speaker 1: nowhere all of a sudden, you are in a very

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01:13:56,000 --> 01:13:58,600
Speaker 1: dangerous situation. Doesn't matter what neighborhood of DC here in

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01:13:58,720 --> 01:14:01,840
Speaker 1: d C is, uh is a rough town can be

1255
01:14:01,880 --> 01:14:03,519
Speaker 1: a rough town. I don't mean the politics, I mean

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01:14:03,560 --> 01:14:06,960
Speaker 1: the crime. Um. So, I still don't think that we

1257
01:14:07,080 --> 01:14:09,920
Speaker 1: can make much more of this than where we are

1258
01:14:10,040 --> 01:14:12,559
Speaker 1: right now, but we we do. We should have some

1259
01:14:12,640 --> 01:14:17,960
Speaker 1: questions answered here. Um. We should have a hard and

1260
01:14:18,040 --> 01:14:20,439
Speaker 1: fast answer as to whether or not there was some

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01:14:20,720 --> 01:14:24,640
Speaker 1: contact between wikiliaks and seth Rich. You know, you know,

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Speaker 1: I'm very dubious about Wikiliaks in general. I don't run

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01:14:28,960 --> 01:14:31,760
Speaker 1: around saying, oh, if WikiLeaks says, you know, then we

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01:14:31,800 --> 01:14:36,040
Speaker 1: should no no no. Um. But well, well, I'll keep

1265
01:14:36,080 --> 01:14:37,680
Speaker 1: an eye on this one. I've had callers asking me

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01:14:37,680 --> 01:14:39,400
Speaker 1: about this, and I tend not to spend a lot

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01:14:39,400 --> 01:14:41,200
Speaker 1: of time on the story because I still think it's

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Speaker 1: It's a conspiracy and interesting one, but not one for

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Speaker 1: which there's enough evidence to move beyond the conspiracy theory phase. Um,

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Speaker 1: but I want to hear from this detective and why

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Speaker 1: former detective and Rod Wheeler and why he thinks that

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Speaker 1: this is we need more information here, Ray in Florida,

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Speaker 1: Welcome to the freedom of my friend. What's on your mind? Hey,

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Speaker 1: I think when I was talking to cost Screening, you're

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Speaker 1: probably talking about the same thing. But just the post

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Speaker 1: still has more information available and not releasing. But this

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Speaker 1: stuff might be a little more priority. Isn't there any

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Speaker 1: way they can just stick the FBI on them if

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Speaker 1: they start breaking loose the reds the wrong stuff. No,

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Speaker 1: because the press has the way the government functions is

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Speaker 1: though this is not a matter of law. This is

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Speaker 1: just a matter of government policy. Is that the press

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Speaker 1: can publish anything it wants about any classified it wants

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Speaker 1: without repercussions. That's the that's the current state of It's

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Speaker 1: not the state of the law. It is the state

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Speaker 1: of how the government chooses to enforce the law, which

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Speaker 1: are two different things. Um. But yeah, the press can

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Speaker 1: do whatever it wants on this stuff. That's that's unfortunate.

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Speaker 1: Where well, you know, then people say, buck, what about

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Speaker 1: real whistle blowing? And speaking truth to power, and I

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Speaker 1: get all that, and that's all real and legit, but

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Speaker 1: you know, the lines that we currently draw are well,

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Speaker 1: they're they're fuzzy, and they're not necessarily based on what's ethical.

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Speaker 1: They're just based on what's expedient. I think for the

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Speaker 1: government which has to draw lines somewhere. I hope that's

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Speaker 1: an answer. Ray you. You raise an interesting question. But uh,

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Speaker 1: that's that's where I'm on it for now. Everyone else

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Speaker 1: who's on hold, thank you for being patient with me.

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Speaker 1: I know we've got a lot of lines lit up here. Um,

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Speaker 1: I gotta go into a break coming up here, Uh,

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Speaker 1: I want to talk to you a bit about the

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Speaker 1: latest on the campaign against the Islamic State. Then we'll

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Speaker 1: talk about building a wall of what it really entails

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Speaker 1: and what status we can currently say the whole wall

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Speaker 1: building effort at our southern border is at right now.

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Speaker 1: And then we've got Emily is a Nati from heat Street,

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Speaker 1: joining with some other odds and ends stories from the

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Speaker 1: day that you'll want to hear about that Uh, are

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Speaker 1: not part of this whole Trump Russian nonsense. Big third

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Speaker 1: hour coming up bug sextend with America Now the Freedom

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Speaker 1: hut is fired up as team Buck as symbols shoulder

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Speaker 1: to older shields high call in eight four four Buck,

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Speaker 1: that's eight four four to eight to five. Welcome back team.

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Speaker 1: I wanted to spend a little bit of time talking

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Speaker 1: about what's going on in the fight against the Islamic State.

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Speaker 1: First of all, with ISIS on the brink of total

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Speaker 1: defeat in Mosel reporting hereby Fox News, we should take

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Speaker 1: a moment to realize that this is something to be celebrated.

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Speaker 1: This is progress in the fight against important progress in

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Speaker 1: the fight against ISIS. And I think that given how

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Speaker 1: long it's taken to get to this point and the

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Speaker 1: stakes in this fight, we should be spending or the

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Speaker 1: media should be devoting more of its energy to this

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Speaker 1: and perhaps a little less to Donald Trump is, you know,

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Speaker 1: working on behalf of Russia, or Donald Trump is disclosing

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Speaker 1: class of all the stuff. I just can't keep going

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Speaker 1: there today. But the Islamic States is shrinking rapidly. The

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Speaker 1: Islamic State is in a series of contractions right now,

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Speaker 1: and this is all to the good. But I also

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Speaker 1: think that we should note that the Islamic State has

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Speaker 1: done a tremendous amount of damage, and that this is

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Speaker 1: going to be a very long term project in order

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Speaker 1: to try and well build stable institutions, particularly military and

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Speaker 1: political institutions in Iraq uh And then the Syria problem

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Speaker 1: does not go away here. Syria will continue to be

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Speaker 1: a mess even after ISIS loses control of Rocca. So

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Speaker 1: the destruction of ISIS and Mosel, the largest Sunni Arab

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Speaker 1: majority city in Iraq and a city of tremendous geographic

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Speaker 1: and historic importance to Iraq, but that the Islamic State

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Speaker 1: will be driven out of there shortly. Here this is

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Speaker 1: actually as Fox reports the last quote, the last of

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Speaker 1: the Islamic State militants remaining in the Iraqi city of

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Speaker 1: Mosel were completely surrounded and on the brink of total defeat.

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Speaker 1: A spokesman for the U S coalition said Tuesday, Iraqi

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Speaker 1: forces have reduced the amount of territory held by ISIS

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Speaker 1: in the city to around a hundred and twenty nine

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Speaker 1: square miles and the recent advancement in Mosel comes after

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Speaker 1: Brett McGurk, a special presidential envoy for the coalition against ISIS,

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Speaker 1: said that the fight against the militants was entering its

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Speaker 1: final stages. So This is absolutely um something that we

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Speaker 1: should all view as significant in this effort to destroy

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Speaker 1: what has been at least in Jihadah circles called the

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Speaker 1: Caliphate for years now. It's gonna take some more more

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Speaker 1: fighting on the Syrian side and the complexities. Uh So,

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Speaker 1: so you have two things that will happen right once

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Speaker 1: the once the Islamic State is kicked out of Mosel

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Speaker 1: and no longer can hold territory in Ninua province of

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Speaker 1: the province where you can find the Iraqi city of Mosle,

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Speaker 1: once they're out of Niua. Niua borders Syria. UM, it's

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Speaker 1: the province of the north of Anbar, which is very

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Speaker 1: well known because of cities like Felluja and Ramadi where

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Speaker 1: the US Coalition had to do a tremendous amount of

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Speaker 1: fighting during the Bush administration. UM. But once they're out,

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Speaker 1: then it becomes a question of stability enduring institutions. Can

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Speaker 1: you keep a hold on sectarianism? Can you prevent the

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Speaker 1: different groups that are all jockeying for power in Iraq

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Speaker 1: the Kurds or muzzle him non Arabs, the Sunni Arabs

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Speaker 1: and the Shia Arabs who are the majority in Iraq,

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Speaker 1: and who have come into much greater power and prominence

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Speaker 1: after the downfall of Saddam Hussein, who was a Sunni

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Speaker 1: Arab from to Crete which is north of Baghdad Um

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Speaker 1: also the the hometown of Soladin. For you Crusade historians

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Speaker 1: out there, solid In was a Kurd from well, it's

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Speaker 1: Salad and province now, so you can imagine. So they

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Speaker 1: clearly claim him as a a famous resident, former resident

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Speaker 1: of the area Um and to create is the city

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Speaker 1: where he's supposedly had been born. So things are going

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Speaker 1: well against the Islamic state in iraq Um. In Syria,

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Speaker 1: it's more of a mixed picture in that you still

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Speaker 1: have a totalitarian genocidal regime with the Assad regime, even

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Speaker 1: if you're able to completely eradicate ISIS, which we are

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Speaker 1: a ways from that being the reality. And you also

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Speaker 1: have the Turkish consideration here because the Turks. This is

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Speaker 1: a little review of what we talked about before on

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Speaker 1: the show. But in Syria right now and fighting against ISIS,

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Speaker 1: you have Kurdish again, same ethnic group, but this time

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Speaker 1: on the Syrian side of the border. Uh Kurdish YPG

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Speaker 1: militia that the US is working with and using as

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Speaker 1: a proxy on the ground in the fight against the

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Speaker 1: Islamic State. But the Turks are concerned about this Kurdish group,

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Speaker 1: but they feel is just a variant of the p

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Speaker 1: k K, a terrorist group, a separatist groups of a

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Speaker 1: Marxist separatist group that wants autonomy for Kurdish people's and

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Speaker 1: a Kurdish state inside of of Turkey and on Turkey's border.

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Speaker 1: So that the Turks are a concern here or they

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Speaker 1: are concerned. And I know that President Trump met with

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Speaker 1: here to Wan today and said that they had a

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Speaker 1: good and productive meeting. The Turks are very important ally

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Speaker 1: their NATO country. They are the gateway for the migrants

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Speaker 1: trying to leave the Middle East for Europe and North Africa,

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Speaker 1: sometimes as well even make their way into Turkey and

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Speaker 1: then try to make their way into Greece and from

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Speaker 1: there continue on um. But we should keep in mind

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Speaker 1: that even while it seems right now there's a template

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Speaker 1: for destroying ISIS in Syria and there is progress being

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Speaker 1: made there, we are also learning new information about the

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Speaker 1: extent of the atrocities committed by Syrian President Bashar al Assad.

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Speaker 1: This is from NPR. The U State Department laid out

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Speaker 1: a new case against Syrian President Bashar Assad's regime on Monday.

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Speaker 1: Not only has the Syrian government committed mass atrocities at

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Speaker 1: its military prison complex outside Damascus, but for years it

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Speaker 1: has also at to the structure in order to burn

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Speaker 1: and secretly dispose of thousands of its victims remains. Beginning

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Speaker 1: in the Syrian regime modified a building within the Saddenya

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Speaker 1: complex to support what we believe is a crematorium. This

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Speaker 1: is the acting Assistant Secretary for Nearest Affairs, he told

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Speaker 1: reporters this at a special media briefing, circulating satellite photographs

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Speaker 1: that he says depicts the crematorium. So when we refer

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Speaker 1: to the Assad regime as genocidal, it's not just a

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Speaker 1: question of the vast numbers of those killed inside of Syria,

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Speaker 1: because that's been long established and you're looking at over

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Speaker 1: a half a million dead in the Syrian Civil War

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Speaker 1: so far, but also this Bathist autocracy, remember Assad is

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Speaker 1: it's a kleptocracy. They have stolen from the Syrian people

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Speaker 1: to become incredibly wealthy. But the Assad regime is really

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Speaker 1: the Assad family and its cronies and enablers, and they

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Speaker 1: have put in place the machinery of of murder that

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Speaker 1: we've seen in other genocidal regimes as well. They are

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Speaker 1: using industrial crematorium for the purposes of trying to hide

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Speaker 1: the extent of their atrocity. So they are murdering prisoners

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Speaker 1: and they are burning them and then ridding themselves of

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Speaker 1: the ashes afterwards. This is a problem that will be

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Speaker 1: with us for quite some time. The Assodo regime, I

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Speaker 1: don't think is going anywhere, and it is a good

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Speaker 1: thing that we have not had the deployment of US

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Speaker 1: troops into the region um and in large numbers. Obviously,

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Speaker 1: we have some U S troops in Iraq and their

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Speaker 1: reports of U S Special Forces who are working with

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Speaker 1: the YPG in Syria. But we haven't made Syria entirely

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Speaker 1: our problem. But that doesn't mean that there won't be

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Speaker 1: problems that come from this horrific conflict in Syria. We've

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Speaker 1: seen this in other instances where there's a conflict in

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Speaker 1: the Middle East that we do manage to largely stay

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Speaker 1: out of, although in this case we have an air campaign,

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Speaker 1: we have we have a proxy ground force that we

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Speaker 1: are working with and and providing supplies two so we

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Speaker 1: are certainly not entirely by standers, but the after effects

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Speaker 1: of what's happened in Syria, both with the refugees as

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Speaker 1: well as the spread of ISIS ideology and jihadis um

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Speaker 1: that's going to be with us for a long time.

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Speaker 1: That's not going away anytime soon. And so that's why

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Speaker 1: we have Trump traveling to the Middle East, meeting with

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Speaker 1: our partners and this administration trying to shore up those

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Speaker 1: alliances and make it clear that we do have enduring

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Speaker 1: allegiances to friends in the region that we will make

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Speaker 1: sure we honor and and build upon. It's going to

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Speaker 1: be essential. So the fight against ISIS on the ground

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Speaker 1: going well in Iraq, going well, but not quite as

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Speaker 1: far along in Syria. I wanted to keep an eye

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Speaker 1: on these things and we will continue to follow it.

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Speaker 1: Team going to hit a quick break here. We're back

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Speaker 1: in just a few everybody, welcome back. We've been talking

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Speaker 1: about a wall here on the show for quite a while.

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Speaker 1: We know that in this most recent uh budget bill

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Speaker 1: that went through the continued funding of the government did

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Speaker 1: not include any new wall funding. There was, so there

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Speaker 1: was some money that we're told will be applied to

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Speaker 1: the existing portions of the wall. But where does it

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Speaker 1: stand with actually building the whole wall, the new parts

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Speaker 1: of the wall, and making this thing work and make

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Speaker 1: it secure. Well, we're now joined by Dennis O'Leary. He

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Speaker 1: is the founder and CEO of Dark Pulse Technology, which

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Speaker 1: is a Scottsdale based company that is in the second

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Speaker 1: round of bids to build President President Donald Trump's US

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Speaker 1: Mexico border wall. Dennis, thank you so much for going in. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: thank you. Okay, first of all, tell us where where

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Speaker 1: you are in the process here, because people will just

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Speaker 1: want to know that the government is serious and is

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Speaker 1: talking to folks like you about the actual construction of

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Speaker 1: a border wall. Yeah, well, I would guess I would

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01:28:16,479 --> 01:28:19,400
Speaker 1: have to say we're over two thirds there, meaning where

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01:28:19,479 --> 01:28:24,559
Speaker 1: we just entered phase two. That phase includes a more

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01:28:24,640 --> 01:28:27,880
Speaker 1: detailed description of both the wall and the costs associated

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01:28:28,479 --> 01:28:32,320
Speaker 1: with construction, and that's due on me the uh we're

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01:28:32,360 --> 01:28:35,120
Speaker 1: supposed to hear back at that point if we got

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Speaker 1: to the next round, which would include the building of

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01:28:38,160 --> 01:28:42,000
Speaker 1: a prototype. Now that would you say a prototype you

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01:28:42,040 --> 01:28:44,080
Speaker 1: would deal with the the tech part of the wall,

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01:28:44,160 --> 01:28:46,680
Speaker 1: but not actually the brick and mortar construction, or do

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01:28:46,680 --> 01:28:48,960
Speaker 1: you do both? Or to tell us about what your company,

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01:28:49,720 --> 01:28:52,880
Speaker 1: h Dark Pulse Technologies does and how it applies to

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01:28:53,439 --> 01:28:57,479
Speaker 1: border security. Yeah, so, um, that's exactly right. Where our

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01:28:57,560 --> 01:29:02,000
Speaker 1: core competency is the technology. When we first applied to

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01:29:02,080 --> 01:29:05,240
Speaker 1: be a vendor or contractor for the wall project, we

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01:29:05,320 --> 01:29:09,280
Speaker 1: actually created a team and with that team we have

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01:29:09,680 --> 01:29:13,240
Speaker 1: a series of other companies that bring their core competency,

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01:29:13,280 --> 01:29:17,280
Speaker 1: which includes the construction of physical barriers or more importantly,

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01:29:17,560 --> 01:29:20,960
Speaker 1: concrete construction. So you're part of what would be then

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01:29:21,120 --> 01:29:25,840
Speaker 1: a wall building coalition of sorts. Oh yeah, exactly, that's right.

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Speaker 1: So and your your two thirds the way through the process.

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01:29:29,120 --> 01:29:31,479
Speaker 1: So this is I just think this is interesting. Well,

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01:29:31,479 --> 01:29:34,360
Speaker 1: it's interestaging in a couple OFLS. One. Clearly the government

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01:29:34,640 --> 01:29:38,839
Speaker 1: is serious about this or the Trump administration is pricing

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01:29:38,880 --> 01:29:41,920
Speaker 1: this out and and they're looking like they'd like to

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01:29:41,960 --> 01:29:44,880
Speaker 1: be in a position to move forward on all of this.

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01:29:45,000 --> 01:29:47,519
Speaker 1: But tell tell us can to the extent you can,

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01:29:48,160 --> 01:29:51,559
Speaker 1: about what technology would do at the boarding. Now people

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01:29:51,600 --> 01:29:54,479
Speaker 1: think of this, and I know there are arguments on

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01:29:54,520 --> 01:29:57,320
Speaker 1: both sides. From Sam, you'll hear a lot more about how, no,

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01:29:57,439 --> 01:29:59,639
Speaker 1: we really need a physical barrier. From others say, well,

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01:29:59,680 --> 01:30:02,520
Speaker 1: in in places it will be more of an electronic

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01:30:02,600 --> 01:30:05,240
Speaker 1: technology barrier, and there are other people who say, well,

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01:30:05,240 --> 01:30:07,040
Speaker 1: actually it has to be both. I'm assuming for it

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01:30:07,040 --> 01:30:09,160
Speaker 1: to be effective, it has to be both. But talked

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01:30:09,160 --> 01:30:13,080
Speaker 1: to us about the technology piece if you would, yeah, sure. So. Um,

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01:30:13,240 --> 01:30:18,240
Speaker 1: we've historically worked in oil and gas pipeline monitoring or

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01:30:18,280 --> 01:30:23,000
Speaker 1: structural health monitoring for things like pipe wall thickness, corrosion,

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01:30:23,800 --> 01:30:27,519
Speaker 1: mostly leaked detection on pipelines, but the technologies can be

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01:30:27,560 --> 01:30:32,120
Speaker 1: applied into several other areas. One, um, you know includes uh,

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01:30:32,360 --> 01:30:35,840
Speaker 1: you know, tunnel detection, actually active tunnel detection. So that's

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01:30:35,880 --> 01:30:38,320
Speaker 1: really the aspect that we bring to the to the

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01:30:38,320 --> 01:30:42,400
Speaker 1: Wall project. And just to your points about you know

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01:30:42,520 --> 01:30:45,439
Speaker 1: that a physical barrier, is that a technology I'm a

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01:30:45,439 --> 01:30:48,800
Speaker 1: proponent of, you know, a layered solution, And I say

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01:30:48,840 --> 01:30:51,519
Speaker 1: that because I agree that we need a physical barrier

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01:30:51,600 --> 01:30:54,799
Speaker 1: because then you're looking at an enforcement standpoint, the amount

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01:30:54,800 --> 01:30:57,240
Speaker 1: of manpower that you would need to actually do all

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01:30:57,280 --> 01:31:01,040
Speaker 1: these apprehensions. So the physical barrier kind of helps alleviate that.

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01:31:01,439 --> 01:31:03,599
Speaker 1: But then on the other side, I believe we should

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01:31:03,600 --> 01:31:06,200
Speaker 1: have what I'm calling a smart wall, which is you know,

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01:31:06,280 --> 01:31:09,160
Speaker 1: physical barrier with some sort of technologies attached through it

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01:31:09,600 --> 01:31:12,439
Speaker 1: that make the barrier more effective instead of it, you know,

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01:31:12,520 --> 01:31:15,200
Speaker 1: just sitting out in the middle of the desert. And

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01:31:15,280 --> 01:31:17,400
Speaker 1: for those who say, well a wall won't be effective

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01:31:17,400 --> 01:31:20,200
Speaker 1: because you show me a twenty football I'll show you

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01:31:20,240 --> 01:31:23,599
Speaker 1: a twenty one ft ladder. That's where the electronic detection

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01:31:23,640 --> 01:31:27,639
Speaker 1: aspect comes in. Right, So a barrier, the physical barrier

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01:31:27,920 --> 01:31:30,320
Speaker 1: is in a sense layer one of security. Layer two

1539
01:31:30,320 --> 01:31:32,160
Speaker 1: would be well, if you try to go over or

1540
01:31:32,240 --> 01:31:34,719
Speaker 1: under the wall, that's where you folks at Dark Pulse

1541
01:31:34,800 --> 01:31:38,040
Speaker 1: come in and you can notify Border patrol and whatever

1542
01:31:38,080 --> 01:31:42,400
Speaker 1: federal authorities need to be notified of that, uh, of

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01:31:42,400 --> 01:31:46,200
Speaker 1: that attempt to cross the cross the fence. Yeah, that's

1544
01:31:46,200 --> 01:31:49,960
Speaker 1: exactly right. In fact, we were using recoining the phrase.

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01:31:50,000 --> 01:31:53,280
Speaker 1: You know, the wall is the sensor, and by installing

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01:31:53,360 --> 01:31:57,880
Speaker 1: our sensors inside the physical barrier itself alongside you know,

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01:31:57,960 --> 01:32:00,479
Speaker 1: either side, whether the US or the side of the

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01:32:00,520 --> 01:32:04,240
Speaker 1: Mexico boarder side, and then also underneath the border, you know,

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01:32:04,280 --> 01:32:07,360
Speaker 1: effectively that barrier is a smart barrier. So if anyone

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01:32:07,400 --> 01:32:11,160
Speaker 1: approaches tries to climate cut through it or tunnel underneath that,

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01:32:11,800 --> 01:32:14,200
Speaker 1: uh you know, Customs, Border Patrol, they're going to know

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01:32:14,240 --> 01:32:18,160
Speaker 1: immediately how long would it take based on this group

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01:32:18,200 --> 01:32:22,800
Speaker 1: that you're with, if you got fully funded this fall.

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01:32:23,000 --> 01:32:25,120
Speaker 1: Let's just say that. Let's assume that that happens. Let's

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01:32:25,120 --> 01:32:28,840
Speaker 1: assume the government has the request for whatever your budget is. UM,

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01:32:29,000 --> 01:32:31,400
Speaker 1: the government has a request that can get you started going,

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01:32:31,760 --> 01:32:33,840
Speaker 1: what's the estimate for how long it would take to

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01:32:33,920 --> 01:32:38,080
Speaker 1: create this smart wall? UM, that's the thing we're actually

1559
01:32:38,160 --> 01:32:40,760
Speaker 1: working on right now, and that's that's part of phase two.

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01:32:41,160 --> 01:32:43,840
Speaker 1: Phase two is uh to establish the timeline and the

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01:32:43,920 --> 01:32:46,679
Speaker 1: cost and UM, I could say those are inter related.

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01:32:46,720 --> 01:32:49,559
Speaker 1: So if you know, as the timeline shortens, the cost,

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01:32:50,040 --> 01:32:51,920
Speaker 1: you know has to go up because you're looking at

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01:32:52,840 --> 01:32:55,320
Speaker 1: us having to hire more people, move a lot quicker.

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01:32:55,920 --> 01:32:58,439
Speaker 1: So it's a little bit hard to nail down, you know,

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01:32:58,479 --> 01:33:00,920
Speaker 1: how long would take it with the don't costs would be.

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01:33:01,479 --> 01:33:03,240
Speaker 1: We need at least one of those components to be

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01:33:03,280 --> 01:33:06,320
Speaker 1: given to us, either it's the budget or what's the timeline,

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01:33:06,400 --> 01:33:09,439
Speaker 1: and then those are it's related. And to those who

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01:33:09,439 --> 01:33:12,840
Speaker 1: say that a border wall is not possible to be

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01:33:12,920 --> 01:33:15,479
Speaker 1: built along our southern border, did you have a response

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01:33:15,479 --> 01:33:18,599
Speaker 1: to that or is that not something you weigh in on. Um. Well,

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01:33:18,640 --> 01:33:23,000
Speaker 1: I mean there's already borders walls I'm built along the

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01:33:23,000 --> 01:33:26,640
Speaker 1: southern border, if you know, I think President Bush implemented

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01:33:26,680 --> 01:33:29,960
Speaker 1: the Save Border programs. I believe it is called. And

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01:33:30,560 --> 01:33:34,599
Speaker 1: you know there's active building up border fencing and walls,

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01:33:34,720 --> 01:33:37,280
Speaker 1: you know as we speak. So the critics that are

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01:33:37,280 --> 01:33:38,880
Speaker 1: saying that, you know this is sort of a pipe

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01:33:38,920 --> 01:33:42,040
Speaker 1: dream for the president, you know, I say, no, it's

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01:33:42,080 --> 01:33:45,599
Speaker 1: already being done. Um. I think it's just leading towards

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01:33:45,600 --> 01:33:49,519
Speaker 1: a more coordinated effort. Um. And Um, you know, personally

1582
01:33:49,600 --> 01:33:51,600
Speaker 1: I liked where it's going. So and when do you

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01:33:51,600 --> 01:33:55,040
Speaker 1: think you'll know if if your your group, your consortium

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01:33:55,120 --> 01:33:58,040
Speaker 1: is in fact chosen to build the southern border with

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01:33:58,160 --> 01:34:01,040
Speaker 1: the the the Great Wall of Trump as people have

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01:34:01,120 --> 01:34:05,360
Speaker 1: been calling it. Right. Um, again, we have until made

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01:34:05,400 --> 01:34:08,599
Speaker 1: it thirty had to submit our second proposal. UM. And

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01:34:08,680 --> 01:34:11,439
Speaker 1: the estimate on a response is the middle of June.

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01:34:12,080 --> 01:34:15,200
Speaker 1: So I would imagine sometimes between the middle of June

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01:34:15,240 --> 01:34:18,639
Speaker 1: and late June, and then we hope to begin construction

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01:34:18,640 --> 01:34:21,360
Speaker 1: of at least the prototype in July. Dennis O. Leary,

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01:34:21,360 --> 01:34:23,960
Speaker 1: founder and CEO of Dark Pulse Technologies, thank you so

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01:34:24,040 --> 01:34:26,599
Speaker 1: much for letting your expertise or we appreciate it. Oh,

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01:34:26,680 --> 01:34:30,479
Speaker 1: thank you so much. I really appreciate your time. And uh, team,

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01:34:30,640 --> 01:34:34,240
Speaker 1: I just wanted to get into the the side of

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01:34:35,280 --> 01:34:40,320
Speaker 1: policy and progress and what the agenda is supposed to be.

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01:34:40,560 --> 01:34:43,720
Speaker 1: We shouldn't have to sit here, and I don't just

1598
01:34:43,760 --> 01:34:45,280
Speaker 1: mean here in the freedom hood, I just I mean

1599
01:34:45,320 --> 01:34:49,559
Speaker 1: across the country. We shouldn't be forced to squabble over

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01:34:50,240 --> 01:34:52,120
Speaker 1: what's going on with Trump, what the latest thing is

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01:34:52,160 --> 01:34:55,519
Speaker 1: that he said that he tweeted about. It's just such

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01:34:55,560 --> 01:35:00,280
Speaker 1: a distraction, um and some of it maybe is more

1603
01:35:00,320 --> 01:35:03,080
Speaker 1: self inflicted than it should be from the administration recently.

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01:35:03,120 --> 01:35:08,680
Speaker 1: But that's all greatly amplifying by the media's predisposition to

1605
01:35:08,720 --> 01:35:12,200
Speaker 1: take everything that Trump does and make it into a

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01:35:12,400 --> 01:35:15,519
Speaker 1: either a national crisis or national scandal. I should say

1607
01:35:15,520 --> 01:35:18,760
Speaker 1: everything that Trump says, not even what he does. This

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01:35:18,920 --> 01:35:25,160
Speaker 1: administration hasn't gotten anywhere, uh near the you know mission

1609
01:35:25,200 --> 01:35:28,479
Speaker 1: accomplished banner yet on on its agenda items, on any

1610
01:35:28,479 --> 01:35:31,760
Speaker 1: of its major agenda items. But by forcing us all

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01:35:31,840 --> 01:35:35,479
Speaker 1: to play defense, which is happening more than I think

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01:35:36,080 --> 01:35:39,320
Speaker 1: a lot of us anticipated that it would, just based

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01:35:39,400 --> 01:35:43,200
Speaker 1: on the ferocity of the media response as well as

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01:35:43,200 --> 01:35:48,360
Speaker 1: the willingness to be uh really openly dishonest players and

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01:35:48,400 --> 01:35:51,680
Speaker 1: all this. I'm sure you've you've seen the watched the

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01:35:51,720 --> 01:35:56,000
Speaker 1: headline from the Washington Post yesterday, or the headline about

1617
01:35:56,040 --> 01:35:59,479
Speaker 1: the headline, if you will. The Washington Post newsroom was

1618
01:35:59,560 --> 01:36:01,960
Speaker 1: cheering when there were so many They had the most

1619
01:36:02,000 --> 01:36:04,519
Speaker 1: clicks I think in the websites history, or the most

1620
01:36:04,560 --> 01:36:07,080
Speaker 1: clicks in a long time, whatever it was on the

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01:36:07,240 --> 01:36:11,280
Speaker 1: Trump spelling secrets to Russia story. And I know that

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01:36:11,320 --> 01:36:13,360
Speaker 1: the response that says, oh, well, it's just about clicks.

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01:36:13,360 --> 01:36:16,920
Speaker 1: It's the business model. Anybody who's going to tell me

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01:36:17,720 --> 01:36:21,800
Speaker 1: that there wasn't a little extra excitement in that newsroom

1625
01:36:21,840 --> 01:36:25,040
Speaker 1: because of a news story that was so clearly damaging

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01:36:25,080 --> 01:36:27,720
Speaker 1: to the not just the administration's reputation, to to the

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01:36:27,760 --> 01:36:41,120
Speaker 1: president's room. He spreads freedom because freedom is not gonna

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01:36:41,160 --> 01:36:49,400
Speaker 1: spread itself, Buck sext in his back. Everybody, welcome back,

1629
01:36:49,800 --> 01:36:53,200
Speaker 1: Take a deep breath and get excited. Our friend Emily

1630
01:36:53,439 --> 01:36:57,519
Speaker 1: Zanati is online now. She's the political editor at heat Street,

1631
01:36:57,880 --> 01:37:02,120
Speaker 1: and she is starting the matriarch. You forget about the patriarchy.

1632
01:37:02,600 --> 01:37:06,600
Speaker 1: What's going on, Emily? Not a whole lot. I just

1633
01:37:06,600 --> 01:37:11,120
Speaker 1: feel like you're you're my special um progressive verbiage correspondent,

1634
01:37:11,160 --> 01:37:15,320
Speaker 1: like you understand the terminology, so that's good. So and

1635
01:37:15,360 --> 01:37:20,320
Speaker 1: you also you you you refuse to embrace for example,

1636
01:37:20,360 --> 01:37:25,800
Speaker 1: that Mother's Day is offensive because it's it's binary, right,

1637
01:37:25,880 --> 01:37:28,639
Speaker 1: It's offensive to people who are not gender binary because

1638
01:37:28,720 --> 01:37:31,240
Speaker 1: not all mothers are ladies and not all ladies are

1639
01:37:31,280 --> 01:37:33,479
Speaker 1: mothers or something. Yeah, I which we could have had

1640
01:37:33,520 --> 01:37:35,519
Speaker 1: you on that one yesterday because it was it was

1641
01:37:35,600 --> 01:37:37,800
Speaker 1: quite adoozy to see that people were actually pushing that

1642
01:37:37,800 --> 01:37:41,040
Speaker 1: out there. But we got a lot of new stuff today.

1643
01:37:41,560 --> 01:37:45,760
Speaker 1: For example, tell me about the millionaire who tells millennials

1644
01:37:45,880 --> 01:37:50,080
Speaker 1: who want to get rich to give up avocado toast.

1645
01:37:50,200 --> 01:37:54,400
Speaker 1: What's going on, right, So there's an Australian millennial. He's

1646
01:37:54,439 --> 01:37:57,360
Speaker 1: about thirty four years old. He's one of the top

1647
01:37:57,880 --> 01:38:00,599
Speaker 1: real estate investors in Australia and he decided to give

1648
01:38:00,600 --> 01:38:04,160
Speaker 1: advice to millennials and said, if you want to get rich,

1649
01:38:04,240 --> 01:38:05,720
Speaker 1: if you want to own a home, you have to

1650
01:38:05,720 --> 01:38:09,680
Speaker 1: give up avocado toast. Well, it turns out that not

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01:38:09,760 --> 01:38:12,400
Speaker 1: all millennials are really eating avocado toast. I mean, I

1652
01:38:12,439 --> 01:38:14,679
Speaker 1: get his point, Like, you should not be going out

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01:38:14,680 --> 01:38:16,800
Speaker 1: for lattes and going out to dinner all the time,

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01:38:16,840 --> 01:38:20,559
Speaker 1: and having all these extensive expenditures that you don't need.

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01:38:20,600 --> 01:38:23,320
Speaker 1: But um, he got a lot of slack on social

1656
01:38:23,360 --> 01:38:25,040
Speaker 1: media because it turns out you have to eat a

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01:38:25,080 --> 01:38:28,000
Speaker 1: lot of avocado toasts to afford a home. You know,

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01:38:28,040 --> 01:38:29,760
Speaker 1: when I work for the government, someone's called me a

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01:38:29,800 --> 01:38:32,200
Speaker 1: latte drinker, and it made me sad because it was

1660
01:38:32,640 --> 01:38:34,560
Speaker 1: because I had pretty much just finished a latte like

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01:38:34,600 --> 01:38:38,479
Speaker 1: an hour before the accusation was made. And now you'd

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01:38:38,479 --> 01:38:42,080
Speaker 1: be an avocado toast eater. Probably, yeah. And if I

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01:38:42,120 --> 01:38:45,280
Speaker 1: added up all the latte's I've had over the years, uh,

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01:38:45,439 --> 01:38:47,920
Speaker 1: including my little almond milk phase, which we don't have

1665
01:38:47,960 --> 01:38:50,599
Speaker 1: to talk about right now. But if I add them

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01:38:50,600 --> 01:38:52,599
Speaker 1: all up, I probably would have. You know, that would

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01:38:52,640 --> 01:38:54,160
Speaker 1: be the four oh one k that I wish that

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01:38:54,200 --> 01:38:57,160
Speaker 1: I had. That would be great. But okay, so he says,

1669
01:38:57,400 --> 01:38:59,400
Speaker 1: don't don't spend your money and all that stuff. Fair enough.

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01:38:59,600 --> 01:39:05,240
Speaker 1: Margot Rubio triggers nations media with Bible quotes about peace.

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01:39:05,320 --> 01:39:07,400
Speaker 1: I saw some of this on the Twitter this morning.

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01:39:07,720 --> 01:39:10,200
Speaker 1: What's wrong with Bible verses? Or I guess from the

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01:39:10,200 --> 01:39:16,000
Speaker 1: media perspective buck, how naive? Yes, I mean, come on, obviously,

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01:39:16,160 --> 01:39:19,680
Speaker 1: Marco Rubio is threatening to turn America into theocracy just

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01:39:19,880 --> 01:39:24,920
Speaker 1: by saying that he believes peace is coming, that Jesus

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01:39:24,960 --> 01:39:28,960
Speaker 1: Christ is Lord. Just basic Bible quotes. They were actually

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Speaker 1: from today's readings. If you're a Catholic, they were from

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01:39:31,320 --> 01:39:36,320
Speaker 1: today's reading, and everybody just went nuts. They were freaking out.

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01:39:36,439 --> 01:39:38,080
Speaker 1: What does this mean? What is he going to do

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01:39:38,160 --> 01:39:41,040
Speaker 1: to us? Is he dying? Is he gonna turn this

1681
01:39:41,080 --> 01:39:44,720
Speaker 1: into the handmade tale? We don't know. And but of

1682
01:39:44,760 --> 01:39:48,320
Speaker 1: course Marco Rubio was just trying to calm everybody down

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01:39:48,320 --> 01:39:51,519
Speaker 1: and get their day started the right way. Yeah, it's that.

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01:39:51,520 --> 01:39:54,000
Speaker 1: That's that seems like a like a nice thing. Some

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01:39:54,040 --> 01:39:57,680
Speaker 1: people do inspirational quotes. You know, there's there's no I

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01:39:57,920 --> 01:40:00,840
Speaker 1: in team with somebody standing in front of like a

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01:40:00,920 --> 01:40:04,720
Speaker 1: white capped mountain with climbing gear, because that inspires people.

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01:40:04,760 --> 01:40:06,760
Speaker 1: I see that, and I'm always like, wow, that looks

1689
01:40:06,800 --> 01:40:08,400
Speaker 1: like no fun at all. I don't want to do that,

1690
01:40:08,640 --> 01:40:10,439
Speaker 1: but you know, it inspires people to see that. If

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01:40:10,520 --> 01:40:12,880
Speaker 1: other people put out Bible verses, I don't see what

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01:40:12,960 --> 01:40:15,920
Speaker 1: the I don't see what the hubbub is all about right.

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01:40:16,040 --> 01:40:19,240
Speaker 1: I mean, our office has something that says something like, uh,

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01:40:19,800 --> 01:40:22,240
Speaker 1: nobody's life is in vain. You may live to serve

1695
01:40:22,280 --> 01:40:25,880
Speaker 1: as a warning for others. So nice, there you go.

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01:40:27,680 --> 01:40:29,719
Speaker 1: There was a lot of in my in my government days,

1697
01:40:29,720 --> 01:40:34,280
Speaker 1: there was a lot of of snarky, uh, non motivational artwork,

1698
01:40:34,320 --> 01:40:36,599
Speaker 1: i'd say, up all over the place, which is good

1699
01:40:36,640 --> 01:40:39,120
Speaker 1: because it was truth in advertising, because when you go

1700
01:40:39,160 --> 01:40:42,800
Speaker 1: to the government, oftentimes you find yourself stuck in an

1701
01:40:42,920 --> 01:40:45,960
Speaker 1: endless cycle that's mostly just meant to make you docile

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01:40:46,080 --> 01:40:49,439
Speaker 1: and kill all of your ambition. Side note, Um, let's

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01:40:49,439 --> 01:40:51,599
Speaker 1: get it, let's get into it. Depends on what you're

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01:40:51,600 --> 01:40:54,439
Speaker 1: doing in government, of course, but I've seen plenty. I've

1705
01:40:54,479 --> 01:40:59,000
Speaker 1: seen plenty of folks with their spirits crushed by government bureaucracy. Um,

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01:40:59,080 --> 01:41:04,040
Speaker 1: let's get into University of Michigan students marginalized by masculine

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01:41:04,160 --> 01:41:06,559
Speaker 1: dark wood paneling. As an aside here before you tell

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01:41:06,640 --> 01:41:08,800
Speaker 1: us the real story. And we're speaking to Emily's a

1709
01:41:08,880 --> 01:41:11,880
Speaker 1: Natty who is the political editor at heat Street. Everybody's

1710
01:41:11,960 --> 01:41:15,320
Speaker 1: check out our latest on heat streets dot com. Uh,

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01:41:16,080 --> 01:41:20,240
Speaker 1: my girlfriend says that my apartment everything is dark and

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01:41:20,320 --> 01:41:22,679
Speaker 1: all of my furniture is dark wood, and it looks

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01:41:22,720 --> 01:41:24,479
Speaker 1: like I'm trying to live in a hunting lodge in

1714
01:41:24,520 --> 01:41:31,080
Speaker 1: New York City or something accurate. Of course, my hero accurate.

1715
01:41:31,120 --> 01:41:34,080
Speaker 1: But what's the problem. Why does why does masculine dark

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01:41:34,160 --> 01:41:39,200
Speaker 1: wood paneling marginalized people? So apparently the University of Michigan

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01:41:39,240 --> 01:41:42,120
Speaker 1: is undertaking a multimillion dollar renovation of one of the

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01:41:42,160 --> 01:41:45,479
Speaker 1: signature buildings on their campus, the Michigan Union, which has

1719
01:41:45,479 --> 01:41:48,280
Speaker 1: been there since nineteen fourteen and has all this beautiful

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01:41:48,360 --> 01:41:52,080
Speaker 1: dark wood paneling and lovely paintings. It's just a it's

1721
01:41:52,080 --> 01:41:57,160
Speaker 1: a beautiful building. But it turns out that minority students

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01:41:57,240 --> 01:42:00,800
Speaker 1: and marginalized students don't like woodpan wing because it makes

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01:42:00,840 --> 01:42:04,160
Speaker 1: them feel unsafe. It makes them feel like everything is

1724
01:42:04,200 --> 01:42:06,920
Speaker 1: supposed to be masculine, and then their gender identities should

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01:42:06,920 --> 01:42:09,800
Speaker 1: be masculine, and it gives them the notion of the

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01:42:09,800 --> 01:42:12,479
Speaker 1: oppressive patriarchy when they walk into the room. So they

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01:42:12,560 --> 01:42:15,040
Speaker 1: want the University of Michigan to risk all of this

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01:42:15,200 --> 01:42:19,080
Speaker 1: paneling out when they do this massive renovation. Now, fortunately,

1729
01:42:19,160 --> 01:42:21,000
Speaker 1: we talked to the University of Michigan and they have

1730
01:42:21,160 --> 01:42:24,200
Speaker 1: no intention of ripping out one year old wood. So

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01:42:24,680 --> 01:42:27,800
Speaker 1: that's good. I did not I did not realize that

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01:42:28,040 --> 01:42:30,680
Speaker 1: the dark wood paneling could could trigger could be a

1733
01:42:30,680 --> 01:42:35,720
Speaker 1: triggering super nervous like, yeah, this is this is a

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01:42:35,760 --> 01:42:38,400
Speaker 1: new thing that now people should be on. That's one

1735
01:42:38,439 --> 01:42:40,439
Speaker 1: of my aspirations in life. Well, one is to have

1736
01:42:40,479 --> 01:42:43,000
Speaker 1: an office because I've never had an office. And two

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01:42:43,040 --> 01:42:45,000
Speaker 1: would be to have an office with dark wood paneling.

1738
01:42:45,200 --> 01:42:47,559
Speaker 1: I really should have been a pediatrician and like the

1739
01:42:47,560 --> 01:42:49,920
Speaker 1: the eighties or something, you know, or or like a

1740
01:42:50,000 --> 01:42:53,439
Speaker 1: surgeon Circuit seven. I feel like they always had awesome

1741
01:42:53,439 --> 01:42:56,760
Speaker 1: offices with lots of wood paneling. I aspired to the

1742
01:42:56,760 --> 01:43:00,439
Speaker 1: beauty and the beast library that's huge live or where

1743
01:43:00,520 --> 01:43:03,960
Speaker 1: the book cover the walls. Yeah. Interesting. So I know,

1744
01:43:04,040 --> 01:43:08,040
Speaker 1: you know, the movie Finding Forrester, which has Sean Connery

1745
01:43:08,120 --> 01:43:13,160
Speaker 1: and stars Rob Brown as well um, is partially filmed

1746
01:43:13,160 --> 01:43:15,240
Speaker 1: in my high school, Regis High School, and there's a

1747
01:43:15,240 --> 01:43:16,960
Speaker 1: scene where they're in this really amazing it looks like

1748
01:43:17,000 --> 01:43:19,439
Speaker 1: they're in Hogwarts or something, where they have this this

1749
01:43:19,479 --> 01:43:23,280
Speaker 1: beautiful library that is not my school, but but the

1750
01:43:23,280 --> 01:43:26,960
Speaker 1: the kind of the kind of soulless and um uninspiring

1751
01:43:27,040 --> 01:43:31,280
Speaker 1: hallways and locker room scenes. Yeah, some of those are

1752
01:43:31,320 --> 01:43:35,120
Speaker 1: my school, which I remember distinctly being at in the

1753
01:43:35,160 --> 01:43:38,599
Speaker 1: cafeteria and thinking how different is this really from a

1754
01:43:38,600 --> 01:43:41,320
Speaker 1: penal colony. I mean, let's let's just be honest about it.

1755
01:43:41,720 --> 01:43:43,839
Speaker 1: And the food, by the way, was also penal quality.

1756
01:43:44,240 --> 01:43:50,760
Speaker 1: Penal uh colony quality. Yeah, good times. Um, alright, so

1757
01:43:51,080 --> 01:43:53,240
Speaker 1: no one wants to be Donald Trump's next press secretary.

1758
01:43:53,280 --> 01:43:57,160
Speaker 1: Also on heat street dot com, but I see ms Zanati,

1759
01:43:57,640 --> 01:44:00,560
Speaker 1: who is the political reporter over there, I see there

1760
01:44:00,560 --> 01:44:04,600
Speaker 1: are reports that none other than the wonderful Kimberly Gilfoil

1761
01:44:04,800 --> 01:44:07,680
Speaker 1: maybe up for the role. Yeah, so that story is

1762
01:44:07,680 --> 01:44:10,720
Speaker 1: actually from the weekend when we were um hearing a

1763
01:44:10,720 --> 01:44:14,120
Speaker 1: lot of rumors from the Oval Office that John Spicer

1764
01:44:14,200 --> 01:44:18,320
Speaker 1: and Sarah Huckabee Sanders weren't particularly comfortable in their positions.

1765
01:44:18,360 --> 01:44:21,439
Speaker 1: But yeah, today we started to hear rumors that Kimberly

1766
01:44:21,439 --> 01:44:25,280
Speaker 1: Gilfoyle might be talking to the White House about moving over.

1767
01:44:25,320 --> 01:44:28,240
Speaker 1: And that would be really interesting because she's a prosecutor.

1768
01:44:28,280 --> 01:44:32,479
Speaker 1: She could certainly handle the press if she's handled juries,

1769
01:44:32,600 --> 01:44:35,240
Speaker 1: so it should be really interesting if that's the move

1770
01:44:35,320 --> 01:44:40,800
Speaker 1: that she makes. I've always thought that Spicer was a

1771
01:44:40,800 --> 01:44:44,400
Speaker 1: an uninspired choice for for the role, just based on

1772
01:44:45,479 --> 01:44:47,920
Speaker 1: the way that the media can get away with being

1773
01:44:48,000 --> 01:44:51,160
Speaker 1: so aggressive with with him. Uh. Not to sound all

1774
01:44:51,240 --> 01:44:54,680
Speaker 1: social justice warrior here, but I think I think some

1775
01:44:54,720 --> 01:44:56,800
Speaker 1: members of the media are a little less likely to

1776
01:44:57,160 --> 01:45:00,759
Speaker 1: want to appear on camera to be antagonizing in bullying female.

1777
01:45:01,040 --> 01:45:04,280
Speaker 1: I think that that's I think that's a an advantage

1778
01:45:04,360 --> 01:45:06,800
Speaker 1: in this whole process. I know people don't like to

1779
01:45:06,800 --> 01:45:09,080
Speaker 1: think of it that way, but this is it's about

1780
01:45:09,120 --> 01:45:11,559
Speaker 1: the optics and messaging, and I do think that plays

1781
01:45:11,560 --> 01:45:15,000
Speaker 1: into it. And uh, Kim certainly is used to the

1782
01:45:15,040 --> 01:45:17,640
Speaker 1: camera and would be like, I think it'd be a

1783
01:45:17,680 --> 01:45:20,519
Speaker 1: great choice. We we see what you know, McMaster instead

1784
01:45:20,520 --> 01:45:23,400
Speaker 1: of Flynn. You and McMaster today speaking in front of

1785
01:45:23,400 --> 01:45:25,519
Speaker 1: the press, And what I was thinking during part of

1786
01:45:25,520 --> 01:45:28,600
Speaker 1: that whole thing was, well, this was it's in a

1787
01:45:28,680 --> 01:45:32,800
Speaker 1: sense lucky that the Trump administration has this guy in

1788
01:45:32,880 --> 01:45:35,840
Speaker 1: place because he's such an such an asset. I think

1789
01:45:35,840 --> 01:45:38,439
Speaker 1: the same would be true for Kimberly Guilfold. And I

1790
01:45:38,520 --> 01:45:40,800
Speaker 1: think she has the right relationships with media. She's been

1791
01:45:40,840 --> 01:45:42,479
Speaker 1: in the media, she knows a lot of these people.

1792
01:45:42,560 --> 01:45:44,680
Speaker 1: She's reported from the ground and she knows what she's

1793
01:45:44,720 --> 01:45:46,800
Speaker 1: talking about, So it would be great for her to

1794
01:45:46,800 --> 01:45:49,080
Speaker 1: be able to transition into a place where she could

1795
01:45:49,080 --> 01:45:52,200
Speaker 1: be a mouthpiece for the administration because it really needs

1796
01:45:52,240 --> 01:45:55,519
Speaker 1: someone who's very strong, who's very direct, who stays on message,

1797
01:45:55,760 --> 01:45:57,760
Speaker 1: and who can handle all of the questions coming at

1798
01:45:57,760 --> 01:46:00,160
Speaker 1: them all the time. And and she's definitely in the

1799
01:46:00,200 --> 01:46:03,200
Speaker 1: running for that. How this is kind of their side.

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01:46:03,200 --> 01:46:04,720
Speaker 1: And there's one more heat Street Store want to ask

1801
01:46:04,720 --> 01:46:07,839
Speaker 1: you about, Emily, but how how worried are you about

1802
01:46:08,720 --> 01:46:13,639
Speaker 1: Trump and America right now? I don't know. I guess

1803
01:46:13,640 --> 01:46:15,559
Speaker 1: on the scale of one to ten, I hover around

1804
01:46:15,560 --> 01:46:19,960
Speaker 1: to five all the time because we it changes every day.

1805
01:46:20,000 --> 01:46:23,120
Speaker 1: We wait for these stories to develop, Like the leaks

1806
01:46:23,160 --> 01:46:25,599
Speaker 1: to the Russian sort of developed and we found out

1807
01:46:25,600 --> 01:46:27,679
Speaker 1: it was something that we kind of already knew, but

1808
01:46:28,080 --> 01:46:30,599
Speaker 1: we didn't know where it came from. So it's hard

1809
01:46:30,640 --> 01:46:34,960
Speaker 1: to get really anxious about things because the stories are

1810
01:46:35,000 --> 01:46:37,800
Speaker 1: always developing and always coming out with new details. We

1811
01:46:37,880 --> 01:46:40,719
Speaker 1: have reporters that we work with who jump on things

1812
01:46:40,760 --> 01:46:43,160
Speaker 1: so fast that we're not able to get a lot

1813
01:46:43,160 --> 01:46:46,719
Speaker 1: of backstory. So I kind of hover somewhere in the middle. See,

1814
01:46:47,160 --> 01:46:51,280
Speaker 1: I feel like for for journalists and opinionators, and and

1815
01:46:51,439 --> 01:46:54,479
Speaker 1: like now every time you wake up after they're after

1816
01:46:55,040 --> 01:46:57,040
Speaker 1: a Trump story, because they tend to break it. Like

1817
01:46:57,120 --> 01:46:59,599
Speaker 1: tonight you've got the New York Times with the Trump

1818
01:46:59,600 --> 01:47:02,320
Speaker 1: basking Comey to shut down the Flint investigation. A lot

1819
01:47:02,360 --> 01:47:04,559
Speaker 1: of this stuff has been happening later on, and so

1820
01:47:04,680 --> 01:47:06,320
Speaker 1: you know that, you know overnight, you're like, I'm just

1821
01:47:06,360 --> 01:47:08,000
Speaker 1: I'm gonna deal with this in the morning. And then

1822
01:47:08,040 --> 01:47:09,680
Speaker 1: you wake up and you see your feed and your

1823
01:47:09,720 --> 01:47:12,680
Speaker 1: inbox and everything you've got going on, and it's like,

1824
01:47:12,760 --> 01:47:14,720
Speaker 1: do I want to get in the middle of this

1825
01:47:14,840 --> 01:47:18,280
Speaker 1: nasty bar fight between journalists where people are already like

1826
01:47:18,360 --> 01:47:21,160
Speaker 1: biting each other's ears, and you know, it's it's getting

1827
01:47:21,160 --> 01:47:24,519
Speaker 1: to that they're poking eyes. This is not nice. People

1828
01:47:24,520 --> 01:47:26,479
Speaker 1: are down on the mud right away now. So it

1829
01:47:26,560 --> 01:47:28,280
Speaker 1: used to be that we would get a couple of hours,

1830
01:47:28,360 --> 01:47:30,000
Speaker 1: even on Trump things, we would get a couple of

1831
01:47:30,000 --> 01:47:32,920
Speaker 1: hours of clear communication and then we get something from

1832
01:47:32,960 --> 01:47:35,160
Speaker 1: the White House that was always kind of wishy washy,

1833
01:47:35,240 --> 01:47:37,439
Speaker 1: and we'd wait a couple of hours and get something better.

1834
01:47:37,920 --> 01:47:41,360
Speaker 1: Now it feels like we are constantly in the mud.

1835
01:47:41,479 --> 01:47:44,280
Speaker 1: On Twitter, on social media, screaming at each other. So

1836
01:47:44,320 --> 01:47:47,960
Speaker 1: it's it's a really strange dynamic. It's something I haven't

1837
01:47:47,960 --> 01:47:52,760
Speaker 1: experienced in more than a decade in journalism. So every

1838
01:47:52,800 --> 01:47:55,360
Speaker 1: day I just wish everybody would everybody would agree to

1839
01:47:55,439 --> 01:47:57,880
Speaker 1: just chill a little bit, like we could all everyone

1840
01:47:57,880 --> 01:47:59,759
Speaker 1: in the meeting. You just just take it down a notch,

1841
01:47:59,800 --> 01:48:03,040
Speaker 1: just take a deep breath. But they, I think that

1842
01:48:03,080 --> 01:48:04,640
Speaker 1: they're on the other side. They're like, no, we're We're

1843
01:48:04,640 --> 01:48:06,680
Speaker 1: going to get an impeachment any day now. And I

1844
01:48:06,680 --> 01:48:08,080
Speaker 1: want to be like, do you do any of you

1845
01:48:08,280 --> 01:48:11,360
Speaker 1: really think that that's going to happen? And the answer, unfortunately,

1846
01:48:11,400 --> 01:48:14,120
Speaker 1: I think it's yes. I think that there's if you

1847
01:48:14,120 --> 01:48:19,760
Speaker 1: were to pull the the major newsrooms for cable news

1848
01:48:19,800 --> 01:48:22,840
Speaker 1: outside of Fox, and the major newspapers right that the

1849
01:48:22,880 --> 01:48:26,080
Speaker 1: two biggest ones, The Times the Washington Post, I think

1850
01:48:26,080 --> 01:48:28,120
Speaker 1: a majority of their staffs think that Trump is going

1851
01:48:28,200 --> 01:48:30,200
Speaker 1: to get impeached. That would be my guest. I'm basically

1852
01:48:30,200 --> 01:48:31,760
Speaker 1: that on nothing. I'm just going with my gut here.

1853
01:48:31,800 --> 01:48:33,519
Speaker 1: So you could say I'm making it up fake news,

1854
01:48:33,520 --> 01:48:36,439
Speaker 1: but that would be my estimate. I would one percent

1855
01:48:36,479 --> 01:48:40,040
Speaker 1: agree with that. Everybody in those major organizations are constantly

1856
01:48:40,120 --> 01:48:42,840
Speaker 1: running around with their hair unfired, looking for the next thing.

1857
01:48:42,920 --> 01:48:46,200
Speaker 1: And I think they anticipate that it's not a question

1858
01:48:46,240 --> 01:48:49,320
Speaker 1: of if he'll be impeached, but when um I think

1859
01:48:49,320 --> 01:48:53,160
Speaker 1: it's a guarantees that those guys operate under that theory.

1860
01:48:53,520 --> 01:48:57,200
Speaker 1: Emily Zanati of heat Streets, she's political editor there. Check

1861
01:48:57,200 --> 01:49:01,920
Speaker 1: out our latest at h E A t st dot com. Emily,

1862
01:49:01,960 --> 01:49:15,799
Speaker 1: thank you so much, Thank you. Well, it's been quite

1863
01:49:15,880 --> 01:49:18,840
Speaker 1: a day in the news cycle of my friends. That

1864
01:49:18,960 --> 01:49:24,360
Speaker 1: much is for sure. The all out, all in assault

1865
01:49:24,560 --> 01:49:29,080
Speaker 1: on the Trump administration is uh. I suppose we should

1866
01:49:29,080 --> 01:49:32,120
Speaker 1: have expected this all along, but now that we're in

1867
01:49:32,160 --> 01:49:36,559
Speaker 1: the middle of it, it just feels like there's nothing

1868
01:49:36,600 --> 01:49:39,800
Speaker 1: that the media won't say at this point. There's no

1869
01:49:40,080 --> 01:49:44,120
Speaker 1: trick they're unwilling to pull, and the Trump team has

1870
01:49:44,160 --> 01:49:46,760
Speaker 1: got to tighten things up here. They really do have

1871
01:49:46,880 --> 01:49:51,439
Speaker 1: to get on message. And I I know that they

1872
01:49:51,439 --> 01:49:54,280
Speaker 1: are under siege, but then they should have a siege

1873
01:49:54,280 --> 01:49:59,080
Speaker 1: mentality for the foreseeable future. They can't continue with the

1874
01:49:59,120 --> 01:50:03,680
Speaker 1: current posture of trying to win over in parts, at

1875
01:50:03,760 --> 01:50:06,880
Speaker 1: least trying to win over a media that is just

1876
01:50:07,800 --> 01:50:11,519
Speaker 1: bent on destroying them. Now I know they're some they're

1877
01:50:11,560 --> 01:50:13,680
Speaker 1: calling them fake news, and there's a lot of antagonism

1878
01:50:13,680 --> 01:50:17,360
Speaker 1: going both ways. But good faith is never rewarded when

1879
01:50:17,360 --> 01:50:21,040
Speaker 1: you're dealing with progressives out to destroy. I think that's

1880
01:50:21,080 --> 01:50:24,000
Speaker 1: something that the Trump team needs to have in mind

1881
01:50:24,040 --> 01:50:27,200
Speaker 1: here going forward. This was interesting a study of CNN

1882
01:50:27,320 --> 01:50:29,120
Speaker 1: that I meant to get to earlier. This is from

1883
01:50:29,439 --> 01:50:33,280
Speaker 1: news Busters. CNN is completely obsessed with Trump, and not

1884
01:50:33,360 --> 01:50:35,720
Speaker 1: in a good way. Oh side notes, seeing uncanceled my

1885
01:50:36,200 --> 01:50:38,720
Speaker 1: what would have been my defense or at least my

1886
01:50:38,840 --> 01:50:42,920
Speaker 1: explanation of the Trump team's defense of the meeting with

1887
01:50:42,960 --> 01:50:46,280
Speaker 1: the Russians. They canceled me earlier this morning because you know,

1888
01:50:46,320 --> 01:50:49,680
Speaker 1: I'm sure that the sweet spot if you're gonna be

1889
01:50:49,680 --> 01:50:51,439
Speaker 1: a conservative who's going to go on a non Fox

1890
01:50:51,479 --> 01:50:55,840
Speaker 1: network is you have to either seem unreasonable or be

1891
01:50:55,960 --> 01:50:59,280
Speaker 1: able to be pummeled if you're neither. If you're neither

1892
01:50:59,280 --> 01:51:02,280
Speaker 1: of those category worries, they get a little iffy on

1893
01:51:02,400 --> 01:51:06,120
Speaker 1: on having you on, especially when the audience wants to

1894
01:51:06,200 --> 01:51:12,360
Speaker 1: see a SmackDown in favor of the Democrats. So but

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Speaker 1: here's this from this uh Newsbuster study. CNN is completely

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01:51:15,760 --> 01:51:18,479
Speaker 1: obsessed with Trump and not in a good way see

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Speaker 1: and claimed it's right down the middle, somewhere between the

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Speaker 1: left wing MSNBC and the more conservative friendly Fox News Channel.

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Speaker 1: But a Media Research Center study of an entire day

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Speaker 1: of CNNs coverage shows the network spent almost all of

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01:51:30,760 --> 01:51:33,599
Speaker 1: its time covering the Trump presidency with a heavily skewed

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01:51:33,720 --> 01:51:37,760
Speaker 1: roster of anti Trump guests and on air commentators. A

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01:51:37,840 --> 01:51:40,719
Speaker 1: team of MRC analysts reviewed all of the cable networks

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01:51:40,760 --> 01:51:43,960
Speaker 1: programming on Friday May twelve, starting with the four am

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Speaker 1: ET early start, etcetera, etcetera, etcetera. After excluding commercials, are

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Speaker 1: analysts found thirteen hours, twenty seven minutes of actual news

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Speaker 1: coverage of that ent was devoted to the Trump presidency,

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Speaker 1: with a mere sixty eight minute devoted to all the

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Speaker 1: other news of the day. UM. And of course this

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01:52:05,160 --> 01:52:07,960
Speaker 1: is negative coverage, right, because if you're going to be

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Speaker 1: on CNN, you're going to see negative coverage of this administration.

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Speaker 1: I think I think that there should be a UM.

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Speaker 1: I think that there should be a shake up in

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Speaker 1: this White House. I do. UM, they need people who

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Speaker 1: are really competent. I mean, you saw the utility of

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Speaker 1: General McMaster and that National Security Advisor role, because you

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Speaker 1: need those who have a credibility that can't just immediately

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Speaker 1: be undermined by the press. You know, if they want

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01:52:38,840 --> 01:52:42,479
Speaker 1: to mock McMaster or Mattos, they can try, but they

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01:52:42,880 --> 01:52:44,400
Speaker 1: know they're gonna look foolish at the end of the

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01:52:44,479 --> 01:52:48,320
Speaker 1: day and doing that. Whereas some of the other individuals

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Speaker 1: in the Trump administration, and not just on the communication side,

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01:52:51,800 --> 01:52:55,719
Speaker 1: but I think that's where the most glaring deficiencies have

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Speaker 1: been in recent days. Some of the others are just

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01:52:59,600 --> 01:53:03,640
Speaker 1: not up to this task of both dealing with a

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01:53:03,640 --> 01:53:07,240
Speaker 1: Trump administration that is a little look, it's it's a

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01:53:07,240 --> 01:53:09,600
Speaker 1: little loose canon. I mean, just disruption is not a

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Speaker 1: smooth process. Right. Draining the swamp was never gonna be easy.

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Speaker 1: I mean, he could come up with all the bumper

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Speaker 1: sticker slogans, but they're true in this respect. This was

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Speaker 1: going to be a process that involved a lot of

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Speaker 1: pushback and and rage from those who are not just

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01:53:28,400 --> 01:53:31,280
Speaker 1: politically in the sense of they prefer other policies, but

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01:53:31,400 --> 01:53:36,120
Speaker 1: deeply ideologically opposed everything Trump is doing and view this

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Speaker 1: as view this whole administration as a refutation, right, as

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Speaker 1: as refuting and undermining their own sell, their own sense

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Speaker 1: of their uh, their wisdom, their intelligence, their greatness, their goodness.

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Speaker 1: Even so, this is never going to be an easier,

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Speaker 1: easier picture for Trump, and he needs people in there

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Speaker 1: who can really mix it up and who can go

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01:54:01,200 --> 01:54:04,040
Speaker 1: toe to toe with these journalists and not come come

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Speaker 1: off looking like they either don't know what's going on,

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Speaker 1: or are being shady or evasive, or just quite honestly

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Speaker 1: out of out of their depth. There have been some changes,

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Speaker 1: they might as well get it over with and make

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Speaker 1: some moren at least That's that's where I come down

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Speaker 1: on this. Um we'll see Tomorrow is gonna be another

1948
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Speaker 1: a full day now of Comy Trump Russia. This is

1949
01:54:28,439 --> 01:54:30,479
Speaker 1: they're gonna say it's worse than Watergate. They're gonna say

1950
01:54:30,479 --> 01:54:34,120
Speaker 1: there should be resignation, there should be impeachment of Trump.

1951
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Speaker 1: We are in the in the full on in the

1952
01:54:38,560 --> 01:54:41,920
Speaker 1: full court press. This is the siege and they've been

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Speaker 1: around the walls of the Trump administration for a while.

1954
01:54:44,640 --> 01:54:47,080
Speaker 1: Now they're coming over the walls. Now, the siege towers

1955
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Speaker 1: have arrived. Now the catapults are throwing stone boulders at

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Speaker 1: the walls. This is going to get rough, So be prepared, everybody,

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Speaker 1: and with that in mind, please do download today's podcast.

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Speaker 1: need it. Trust me, my friends, no matter what comes

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Speaker 1: your way, shields