1 00:00:04,760 --> 00:00:07,280 Speaker 1: The following is a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com 2 00:00:07,320 --> 00:00:17,120 Speaker 1: and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club. This is Mick Shot 3 00:00:17,360 --> 00:00:21,320 Speaker 1: screaming live on Dallas Cowboys dot Com and the official 4 00:00:21,520 --> 00:00:31,680 Speaker 1: Dallas Cowboys at now Here are Bill Jones and Mickey Spagnola. 5 00:00:31,920 --> 00:00:35,680 Speaker 1: It's another beautiful Thursday morning. The sun is shining. It's 6 00:00:35,680 --> 00:00:38,800 Speaker 1: a great day to have another mix shots with Mickey Spagnola. 7 00:00:38,880 --> 00:00:41,680 Speaker 1: Everson Walls, I'm Danny Sarak and although we all are 8 00:00:41,720 --> 00:00:44,199 Speaker 1: all isolated and we're not together, I'm so glad we're 9 00:00:44,240 --> 00:00:46,239 Speaker 1: able to still do this podcast. It's so good to 10 00:00:46,240 --> 00:00:49,559 Speaker 1: see your faces. You know what it feels like we're together. 11 00:00:49,800 --> 00:00:52,400 Speaker 1: You know, we've been getting ready for the show and 12 00:00:52,560 --> 00:00:56,319 Speaker 1: talking for about fifteen twenty minutes, so I feel like 13 00:00:56,360 --> 00:00:59,400 Speaker 1: I'm just across the table from you guys. Everson, I 14 00:00:59,520 --> 00:01:03,960 Speaker 1: feel isolated. I'm in a room by myself. I feel 15 00:01:03,960 --> 00:01:07,319 Speaker 1: like I'm in a cave. But it's still good to 16 00:01:07,360 --> 00:01:11,360 Speaker 1: see you guys. Well, just the way, we've been able 17 00:01:11,440 --> 00:01:13,920 Speaker 1: to do all of our podcast virtually with the help 18 00:01:14,000 --> 00:01:17,120 Speaker 1: of our engineers and our great, our great staff. You know, 19 00:01:17,120 --> 00:01:19,160 Speaker 1: we've got Chris Beam and Matt Kent helping us out 20 00:01:19,160 --> 00:01:22,440 Speaker 1: with this, the Cowboys coaching staff and scouting department has 21 00:01:22,440 --> 00:01:25,920 Speaker 1: been working closely with the IT department, doing all of 22 00:01:25,959 --> 00:01:29,720 Speaker 1: their interviews and meetings virtually. And last week the NFL 23 00:01:29,880 --> 00:01:32,440 Speaker 1: had announced that this draft is going to be all 24 00:01:32,560 --> 00:01:34,880 Speaker 1: virtual and they're actually going to be doing a mock 25 00:01:34,959 --> 00:01:37,560 Speaker 1: draft to kind of run out some of those kinks 26 00:01:38,040 --> 00:01:40,520 Speaker 1: because as great as technology is, we know that it's 27 00:01:40,560 --> 00:01:44,560 Speaker 1: not always the most reliable. So hopefully those mock drafts 28 00:01:44,560 --> 00:01:47,319 Speaker 1: will be able to help things run more smoothly. Because 29 00:01:47,319 --> 00:01:50,440 Speaker 1: the draft is only one week away from today. You 30 00:01:50,480 --> 00:01:53,000 Speaker 1: know what, God blessed the Internet because if we didn't 31 00:01:53,000 --> 00:01:55,280 Speaker 1: have the Internet, we wouldn't be doing all this stuff 32 00:01:55,320 --> 00:01:57,920 Speaker 1: and there probably wouldn't be a draft that we could see. 33 00:01:58,040 --> 00:02:01,520 Speaker 1: So it's a good thing. Twenty years ago or so, 34 00:02:01,720 --> 00:02:05,040 Speaker 1: this thing got really popular, and that's the way this 35 00:02:05,120 --> 00:02:07,640 Speaker 1: whole thing's gonna work. And you know, as I've been 36 00:02:07,680 --> 00:02:12,360 Speaker 1: telling people, Danny and Everson, that probably the most valuable 37 00:02:12,360 --> 00:02:15,240 Speaker 1: people in this draft will be the IT departments because 38 00:02:15,600 --> 00:02:20,679 Speaker 1: they gotta be perfect. They can't make a mistake. Well, 39 00:02:20,680 --> 00:02:24,600 Speaker 1: I tell you what, the way my draft situation went, 40 00:02:25,200 --> 00:02:27,240 Speaker 1: it's pretty much what they're going to be looking forward 41 00:02:27,280 --> 00:02:30,480 Speaker 1: to I didn't get drafted, so hey, you know, they 42 00:02:30,520 --> 00:02:33,840 Speaker 1: just brought me my contract in my dormitory, you know, 43 00:02:34,080 --> 00:02:35,680 Speaker 1: so this is kind of good. This is gonna be 44 00:02:36,040 --> 00:02:38,519 Speaker 1: almost like a free agent experience. Please guy, But they're 45 00:02:38,520 --> 00:02:41,400 Speaker 1: gonna get paid big money. As much as I love 46 00:02:41,520 --> 00:02:44,240 Speaker 1: seeing that first round and everyone goes up on stage, 47 00:02:44,320 --> 00:02:46,920 Speaker 1: I do love seeing those videos of when the players 48 00:02:46,919 --> 00:02:50,000 Speaker 1: are at their homes and they're surrounded by family and friends. 49 00:02:50,040 --> 00:02:51,920 Speaker 1: Now it'll be a little different. You can't have a 50 00:02:51,960 --> 00:02:55,320 Speaker 1: party of forty fifty people they're celebrating. But I do 51 00:02:55,400 --> 00:02:57,560 Speaker 1: love seeing those videos of when they get the phone 52 00:02:57,560 --> 00:03:01,000 Speaker 1: calls and you're just surrounded by your closest family and friends, 53 00:03:01,000 --> 00:03:03,160 Speaker 1: and it's really intimate, those people who have been there 54 00:03:03,200 --> 00:03:05,280 Speaker 1: with you every step of the way to get getting 55 00:03:05,320 --> 00:03:07,960 Speaker 1: up phone call. Well, guys, that will not What I 56 00:03:08,000 --> 00:03:11,680 Speaker 1: will not miss is looking at all the crazy suits 57 00:03:11,720 --> 00:03:14,280 Speaker 1: that they're going to be having on as they walk 58 00:03:14,360 --> 00:03:17,720 Speaker 1: up to the podium and get their head and they 59 00:03:17,760 --> 00:03:20,640 Speaker 1: meet the commissioner. I will not miss the colors. I 60 00:03:20,680 --> 00:03:24,799 Speaker 1: will not miss the ostrich shoes and loafers that they're 61 00:03:24,800 --> 00:03:27,959 Speaker 1: going to have long. Yeah, you know what they might 62 00:03:28,040 --> 00:03:32,160 Speaker 1: wear the same suits at home. What you think everyone 63 00:03:32,200 --> 00:03:36,720 Speaker 1: will be dressed up at all? And absolutely right, Mamily Sunday, 64 00:03:36,880 --> 00:03:39,400 Speaker 1: Easter Sunday, They're gonna be looking like Easter Sunday and 65 00:03:39,440 --> 00:03:41,800 Speaker 1: they're gonna be all dressed up in the living room. 66 00:03:42,600 --> 00:03:46,080 Speaker 1: You know, guys, this almost reminds me of the first 67 00:03:46,200 --> 00:03:49,960 Speaker 1: draft I sort of took place, or took part in. 68 00:03:50,800 --> 00:03:54,520 Speaker 1: It was back before ESPN and any of the TV 69 00:03:54,640 --> 00:03:59,480 Speaker 1: stations started broadcasting, and there was no radio. It was 70 00:03:59,520 --> 00:04:03,400 Speaker 1: back in nineteen seventy nine. I thought you gonna say 71 00:04:03,520 --> 00:04:08,240 Speaker 1: nineteen seventeen. That's what it sounds up nineteen seventy nine. 72 00:04:08,360 --> 00:04:14,880 Speaker 1: Emmerson at Kelen Winslow. I was in Columbia, Missouri, and 73 00:04:14,880 --> 00:04:18,320 Speaker 1: the Cowboy, the Missouri tight end Kelen Winslow, was expected 74 00:04:18,360 --> 00:04:22,200 Speaker 1: to be a first round draft choice. So he invited us, 75 00:04:22,360 --> 00:04:25,039 Speaker 1: the guys that were covering the team, invited us over 76 00:04:25,120 --> 00:04:28,039 Speaker 1: to his apartment to wait for him to get the 77 00:04:28,080 --> 00:04:30,599 Speaker 1: phone call so we could be there, right. So we 78 00:04:30,680 --> 00:04:33,280 Speaker 1: all show up at his apartment and so it's at 79 00:04:33,279 --> 00:04:37,560 Speaker 1: the end of the semester. He had his phone turned off, 80 00:04:37,880 --> 00:04:40,800 Speaker 1: he didn't have any phone service, and he's like, how 81 00:04:40,839 --> 00:04:43,520 Speaker 1: am I going to find out right. So we ended 82 00:04:43,600 --> 00:04:48,400 Speaker 1: up going into the newspaper newsroom and we were watching 83 00:04:48,440 --> 00:04:52,240 Speaker 1: the draft on the APT teletype machine, and you know, 84 00:04:52,360 --> 00:04:54,920 Speaker 1: it would come over that, you know, at number two, 85 00:04:55,040 --> 00:04:57,800 Speaker 1: so and so took somebody. At number three, so and 86 00:04:57,800 --> 00:05:01,400 Speaker 1: so took somebody. And I could see the life was 87 00:05:01,520 --> 00:05:04,400 Speaker 1: draining out of his face because it got into nine 88 00:05:04,440 --> 00:05:07,200 Speaker 1: and ten and he hadn't have been drafted yet, and 89 00:05:07,279 --> 00:05:10,120 Speaker 1: it was like, oh, this is starting to get embarrassing, right, 90 00:05:10,560 --> 00:05:16,200 Speaker 1: and then twelve rounds. Then it was seventeen rounds back wow, 91 00:05:16,279 --> 00:05:19,159 Speaker 1: if you can remember, imagine that. So it got to 92 00:05:20,000 --> 00:05:24,280 Speaker 1: the pick number eleven in the first round and it 93 00:05:24,320 --> 00:05:28,120 Speaker 1: comes over the teletype machine, the ap wire machine and 94 00:05:28,200 --> 00:05:33,520 Speaker 1: says San Diego Chargers select Missouri tight end Kellen Winslow. 95 00:05:33,960 --> 00:05:36,880 Speaker 1: And it couldn't have gone to a better place, right, 96 00:05:37,040 --> 00:05:41,120 Speaker 1: remember with uh the offense that they were the air 97 00:05:41,240 --> 00:05:46,240 Speaker 1: Correale and the Chargers. Yeah, and he's thinking, oh man, 98 00:05:46,480 --> 00:05:49,440 Speaker 1: I am a tight end in the slot, right, And 99 00:05:49,560 --> 00:05:52,320 Speaker 1: so he's real calm, and he does the whole interview 100 00:05:52,400 --> 00:05:56,720 Speaker 1: and everything, and we walked outside of the newsroom outdoors 101 00:05:57,080 --> 00:06:01,200 Speaker 1: and he let out the biggest blood curdling yell. You 102 00:06:01,320 --> 00:06:05,880 Speaker 1: ever seen. He was just screaming, celebrating, right, And it 103 00:06:05,920 --> 00:06:08,240 Speaker 1: went from how am I going to find out how 104 00:06:08,279 --> 00:06:11,560 Speaker 1: I get drafted? And we figured it out and that's 105 00:06:11,560 --> 00:06:15,800 Speaker 1: how he found out. Watching it in the Missouri and newsroom, 106 00:06:16,160 --> 00:06:22,599 Speaker 1: It's almost like you guys were dealing with pigeons back then, Maggie. 107 00:06:22,640 --> 00:06:24,440 Speaker 1: I have no doubt in my mind that the players 108 00:06:24,520 --> 00:06:27,560 Speaker 1: being drafted probably don't even turn their cell phones off. Ever, 109 00:06:27,800 --> 00:06:30,120 Speaker 1: they just leave them on and they continually charge him. 110 00:06:30,160 --> 00:06:33,360 Speaker 1: So that doesn't worry me. With the Cowboys guys, there 111 00:06:33,400 --> 00:06:36,039 Speaker 1: seems to be news and I'll put that in quotes 112 00:06:36,720 --> 00:06:40,239 Speaker 1: pretty much every week, right, And this week the news 113 00:06:40,720 --> 00:06:43,640 Speaker 1: was about quarterback Dak Prescott, and it wasn't about whether 114 00:06:43,720 --> 00:06:45,600 Speaker 1: or not he's going to sign that franchise tag or 115 00:06:45,600 --> 00:06:47,839 Speaker 1: if he had a new deal. It was reports that 116 00:06:47,920 --> 00:06:50,200 Speaker 1: he had had a large party and had people over 117 00:06:50,240 --> 00:06:52,159 Speaker 1: at his house and that the cops were called to 118 00:06:52,279 --> 00:06:54,560 Speaker 1: break it up, and he made a statement saying that 119 00:06:54,640 --> 00:06:56,960 Speaker 1: that wasn't sure at all that he was following the 120 00:06:57,000 --> 00:06:59,640 Speaker 1: guidelines of having ten or fewer people. They had brought 121 00:06:59,720 --> 00:07:02,640 Speaker 1: food in. There was a picture that was I think 122 00:07:02,640 --> 00:07:04,919 Speaker 1: originally said it was at his house it was a 123 00:07:05,000 --> 00:07:08,360 Speaker 1: table that was set with napkins and everything else you need. 124 00:07:08,400 --> 00:07:10,360 Speaker 1: It turned out to be a picture of the restaurant 125 00:07:10,360 --> 00:07:13,320 Speaker 1: they had ordered from, and it just you gotta think, 126 00:07:13,360 --> 00:07:17,400 Speaker 1: like to other quarterbacks and other teams deal with this 127 00:07:17,480 --> 00:07:19,960 Speaker 1: kind of stuff. If you don't play for the Dallas Cowboys, 128 00:07:20,480 --> 00:07:24,400 Speaker 1: welcome to be in the Dallas Cowboys quarterback. I gotta 129 00:07:24,480 --> 00:07:29,880 Speaker 1: safe spags that he's been half he's been drawing a 130 00:07:29,920 --> 00:07:36,000 Speaker 1: little bit of attention to himself by having these closed 131 00:07:36,080 --> 00:07:39,559 Speaker 1: door practices with this right, right, have you been seeing 132 00:07:39,600 --> 00:07:43,440 Speaker 1: those Well, yeah, I have seen it. And again I'll 133 00:07:43,440 --> 00:07:47,000 Speaker 1: guarantee you other quarterbacks can be doing this, right, But 134 00:07:47,120 --> 00:07:50,000 Speaker 1: if you're the quarterback of the Dallas Cowboys, you gotta 135 00:07:50,120 --> 00:07:55,320 Speaker 1: understand the scrutiny you're under. And if you think about it, previously, 136 00:07:55,480 --> 00:07:58,880 Speaker 1: all his scrutiny has been good, right, everything's been great, 137 00:07:59,200 --> 00:08:03,640 Speaker 1: the charity, this this and this. Uh And now suddenly 138 00:08:04,240 --> 00:08:07,800 Speaker 1: I think he's coming in the realization that when you're 139 00:08:07,920 --> 00:08:13,080 Speaker 1: the quarterback of the Dallas Cowboys, you don't have a 140 00:08:13,120 --> 00:08:17,800 Speaker 1: personal life anymore. Everything you do is under scrutiny. No 141 00:08:17,920 --> 00:08:21,560 Speaker 1: matter what you do, what you say, I mean, Tua 142 00:08:22,280 --> 00:08:26,360 Speaker 1: is help holding workouts, right, and no one's criticizing him 143 00:08:26,560 --> 00:08:32,880 Speaker 1: because it's interesting, right, But it's the Cowboys quarterback. And 144 00:08:32,920 --> 00:08:35,240 Speaker 1: think about it. Go back to Don Meredith. You know, 145 00:08:35,320 --> 00:08:38,720 Speaker 1: he found it out. Craig Morton found it out. I 146 00:08:38,760 --> 00:08:41,720 Speaker 1: think the only guy that really escaped this and I 147 00:08:41,720 --> 00:08:45,719 Speaker 1: didn't live through it was probably Roger Staubach and he 148 00:08:45,800 --> 00:08:49,120 Speaker 1: was so squeaky clean and they probably couldn't find anything 149 00:08:49,160 --> 00:08:53,320 Speaker 1: about him. Well, you know Rogers, Rogers, Rogers pet Pete was. 150 00:08:53,360 --> 00:08:57,120 Speaker 1: He loved basketball, right, and so he would always participate 151 00:08:57,880 --> 00:09:00,800 Speaker 1: in hoop it up back in the day. And he 152 00:09:00,840 --> 00:09:02,880 Speaker 1: didn't care who he was playing against. It could be 153 00:09:02,880 --> 00:09:05,679 Speaker 1: other football players, it could be brothers from the hood. 154 00:09:06,160 --> 00:09:10,680 Speaker 1: Roger loved basketball. He loved the competition. Now, another quarterback 155 00:09:10,840 --> 00:09:15,079 Speaker 1: that did get into it with their organization, that was Mahomes. 156 00:09:15,120 --> 00:09:19,079 Speaker 1: If you recall after the Super Bowl, he's out there 157 00:09:19,080 --> 00:09:22,960 Speaker 1: showing showing his who game. I think he dunked on 158 00:09:23,040 --> 00:09:26,160 Speaker 1: somebody or was going to the hole. And as soon 159 00:09:26,160 --> 00:09:28,920 Speaker 1: as the Chiefs found out about that, then they gave 160 00:09:29,000 --> 00:09:32,000 Speaker 1: him a call as well. And that was very recent 161 00:09:32,080 --> 00:09:34,679 Speaker 1: and it was like, no more basketball for you, mister Mahomes. 162 00:09:35,280 --> 00:09:38,720 Speaker 1: And yeah, so you know what you could This was 163 00:09:38,800 --> 00:09:41,360 Speaker 1: before you know. I don't know if you were aware 164 00:09:41,440 --> 00:09:47,280 Speaker 1: or not, but the story goes when when Walk Garrison 165 00:09:47,360 --> 00:09:49,760 Speaker 1: first signed with the Cowboys. So we're going back into 166 00:09:49,840 --> 00:09:53,320 Speaker 1: the mid to late sixties. Uh, you know, he was 167 00:09:53,920 --> 00:09:56,400 Speaker 1: he was a rodeo guy. He was a cowboy before 168 00:09:56,440 --> 00:10:00,640 Speaker 1: he became a cowboy. And he was continu inuing to 169 00:10:00,760 --> 00:10:06,160 Speaker 1: participate in rodeos during the season, Like on Saturday night 170 00:10:06,480 --> 00:10:09,960 Speaker 1: he would he would leave the hotel and go perform 171 00:10:09,960 --> 00:10:15,679 Speaker 1: in Mesquite and then come back. And somebody, somebody did 172 00:10:15,679 --> 00:10:19,920 Speaker 1: a story. They say, those were men with men. Okay, 173 00:10:19,960 --> 00:10:22,120 Speaker 1: that's when men were men. That's not these little powder 174 00:10:22,160 --> 00:10:25,520 Speaker 1: puffs to have these days. Somebody somebody did a story 175 00:10:25,559 --> 00:10:27,720 Speaker 1: of it, took a picture, put it in the paper 176 00:10:27,720 --> 00:10:30,160 Speaker 1: and said, hey, how neat is this? The Cowboys are 177 00:10:30,240 --> 00:10:33,680 Speaker 1: letting their player participate in the rodeo and then play 178 00:10:33,720 --> 00:10:37,680 Speaker 1: football the next day. Well Tom Landry found out about it, 179 00:10:37,840 --> 00:10:40,440 Speaker 1: and it was like, Walk, there will be no more 180 00:10:40,640 --> 00:10:43,560 Speaker 1: rodeos than night before day. So can you know what 181 00:10:43,679 --> 00:10:47,079 Speaker 1: the rodeos, I don't know what's tougher the rodeos of 182 00:10:47,160 --> 00:10:49,640 Speaker 1: the game. I mean, which one do you think when 183 00:10:50,000 --> 00:10:54,280 Speaker 1: his life and he was safer. Yeah, he was death 184 00:10:54,280 --> 00:10:56,360 Speaker 1: whist man. This guy like a death whist. That was 185 00:10:56,480 --> 00:10:59,520 Speaker 1: that was crazy. That was crazy. I mean he was roping, 186 00:10:59,640 --> 00:11:01,920 Speaker 1: so he you know, they roped the calfs, jumped off 187 00:11:01,960 --> 00:11:03,960 Speaker 1: the horse and kind of tie them up, right, and 188 00:11:04,040 --> 00:11:07,280 Speaker 1: it's like, are you kidding me? But yeah, that was 189 00:11:07,679 --> 00:11:10,480 Speaker 1: so Anyway, going back to the scrutiny, and if you 190 00:11:10,480 --> 00:11:13,200 Speaker 1: think about it, think about what Tony Romo went through, 191 00:11:13,240 --> 00:11:17,760 Speaker 1: and he understood it that anytime he dated a celebrity, 192 00:11:18,040 --> 00:11:21,840 Speaker 1: you know that people found out. And then he went 193 00:11:21,960 --> 00:11:26,880 Speaker 1: on vacation, right found I mean you got Rodeo and 194 00:11:27,000 --> 00:11:32,200 Speaker 1: you have Cancoom. Okay, right, there's there's there's a big 195 00:11:32,240 --> 00:11:35,120 Speaker 1: difference between that. And we just went off on Romo 196 00:11:35,360 --> 00:11:40,520 Speaker 1: for going to Cancoom. So hopefully for for Dak, you know, 197 00:11:40,640 --> 00:11:43,320 Speaker 1: this doesn't get him to the point where he starts 198 00:11:43,360 --> 00:11:48,240 Speaker 1: closing everybody off and becomes, you know, too self conscious 199 00:11:48,320 --> 00:11:51,000 Speaker 1: of everything he does, even in the locker room, because 200 00:11:51,040 --> 00:11:53,600 Speaker 1: if you think about it, what happened with Romo, I mean, 201 00:11:53,640 --> 00:11:56,640 Speaker 1: he was the best quote ever and then he realized 202 00:11:57,120 --> 00:12:01,280 Speaker 1: I can't say anything either way because people can interpret it. 203 00:12:01,360 --> 00:12:04,600 Speaker 1: However they want so he said a lot and said nothing, 204 00:12:05,640 --> 00:12:08,440 Speaker 1: and that was unfortunate, and you hope that doesn't happen 205 00:12:08,480 --> 00:12:14,000 Speaker 1: the dak with it now now he talks a lot. Yeah, right, 206 00:12:14,040 --> 00:12:16,280 Speaker 1: and he's getting paid a lot, so talking about making 207 00:12:16,400 --> 00:12:20,520 Speaker 1: up for it. I think. Earlier this week Tom Pessera 208 00:12:20,640 --> 00:12:24,240 Speaker 1: with NFL Network had announced that the NFL and the 209 00:12:24,320 --> 00:12:27,600 Speaker 1: NFLPA they're figuring out ways to do a virtual period 210 00:12:28,000 --> 00:12:31,600 Speaker 1: for the off season starting Monday, April twentieth. So facilities 211 00:12:31,640 --> 00:12:33,320 Speaker 1: won't be open, but this is going to a lot 212 00:12:33,360 --> 00:12:37,280 Speaker 1: of clubs to start having meetings and going over plays 213 00:12:37,280 --> 00:12:39,480 Speaker 1: and schemes. And that's going to be really important because 214 00:12:39,520 --> 00:12:42,160 Speaker 1: the Cowboys have a new coaching staff and so they've 215 00:12:42,160 --> 00:12:44,200 Speaker 1: got a lot of things they need to work through 216 00:12:44,240 --> 00:12:46,680 Speaker 1: and they no longer have that advantage of having extra 217 00:12:46,800 --> 00:12:50,440 Speaker 1: time in this off season program compared to teams that 218 00:12:50,600 --> 00:12:55,840 Speaker 1: didn't get a coaching staff over overhaul. And so, Mickey, 219 00:12:56,280 --> 00:12:58,720 Speaker 1: what do you think is going to happen with Prescott 220 00:12:58,960 --> 00:13:00,920 Speaker 1: bring in terms of if he's going to sign this 221 00:13:01,040 --> 00:13:04,600 Speaker 1: franchise tag and if he's going to be logged in 222 00:13:04,800 --> 00:13:09,280 Speaker 1: on those virtual meetings? Yeah, you know what think about this? 223 00:13:10,080 --> 00:13:13,160 Speaker 1: You don't have to leave your house right you can 224 00:13:13,280 --> 00:13:16,880 Speaker 1: sit like we're sitting right now and turn on your 225 00:13:16,920 --> 00:13:22,200 Speaker 1: screen and be there as the meeting's going on. I 226 00:13:22,280 --> 00:13:25,720 Speaker 1: don't know how valuable those type of things will be. 227 00:13:25,880 --> 00:13:29,079 Speaker 1: I'll let Everson kind of speak to that, But all 228 00:13:29,120 --> 00:13:32,000 Speaker 1: I'm thinking is they're going to pay you somewhere around 229 00:13:32,080 --> 00:13:35,400 Speaker 1: two hundred and fifty three hundred dollars a day to 230 00:13:35,600 --> 00:13:39,080 Speaker 1: sit there like we're sitting here right now, and you 231 00:13:39,120 --> 00:13:46,320 Speaker 1: don't have to do anything physical. I mean, I understand, okay, 232 00:13:47,160 --> 00:13:49,400 Speaker 1: I need some leverage, and if I don't do this, 233 00:13:49,559 --> 00:13:53,760 Speaker 1: maybe they'll sign me to what I want. But is 234 00:13:53,760 --> 00:13:56,959 Speaker 1: it that valuable you think Everson to participate in those things. 235 00:13:57,880 --> 00:13:59,920 Speaker 1: I think it depends on where you are in your career. 236 00:14:00,400 --> 00:14:02,320 Speaker 1: You know. If you're talking about Dak, No, it's not 237 00:14:02,440 --> 00:14:04,800 Speaker 1: valuable at all, you know. I think I look at 238 00:14:04,840 --> 00:14:09,080 Speaker 1: this something where you know he understands the game very well. 239 00:14:09,240 --> 00:14:11,800 Speaker 1: We all know that you just passed some more yards 240 00:14:11,840 --> 00:14:14,640 Speaker 1: than anybody last year. You know. I don't think taking 241 00:14:14,679 --> 00:14:18,199 Speaker 1: in a new system virtually, no, I don't think that 242 00:14:18,200 --> 00:14:20,120 Speaker 1: that will affect him at all. Now, if you've got 243 00:14:20,120 --> 00:14:22,080 Speaker 1: some quarterbacks that are trying to learn a whole bunch 244 00:14:22,080 --> 00:14:24,760 Speaker 1: of new things. They hadn't had a good year, They're 245 00:14:24,800 --> 00:14:27,680 Speaker 1: coming to a new team. Yeah, then all of a sudden, 246 00:14:27,840 --> 00:14:31,400 Speaker 1: you're you're looking at it as a very inconvenience. I 247 00:14:31,440 --> 00:14:33,800 Speaker 1: would say, but for Dad, No, I wouldn't think they 248 00:14:33,800 --> 00:14:35,440 Speaker 1: would make a difference for him at all. And I 249 00:14:35,520 --> 00:14:38,800 Speaker 1: got away Danny. He could turn this into a positive. 250 00:14:39,200 --> 00:14:41,920 Speaker 1: So he could say, Okay, I'm gonna do this, and 251 00:14:41,960 --> 00:14:44,720 Speaker 1: I'm gonna take my perdam and I'm gonna go buy 252 00:14:44,840 --> 00:14:48,640 Speaker 1: lunches for the nurses and Baylor, Scott and White, and 253 00:14:48,760 --> 00:14:51,680 Speaker 1: he could be a hero. Right instead of causing us 254 00:14:51,880 --> 00:14:54,600 Speaker 1: think and say no, I'm not taking part in those things, 255 00:14:54,960 --> 00:14:58,400 Speaker 1: he could actually turn the thing on without even showing 256 00:14:58,480 --> 00:15:01,840 Speaker 1: himself on the screen and listen, right, that's what I'm 257 00:15:01,880 --> 00:15:04,440 Speaker 1: going to sing. When I work with you guys, I'm 258 00:15:04,480 --> 00:15:08,320 Speaker 1: gonna do good. Scott. Well, ever since I have to 259 00:15:08,360 --> 00:15:11,160 Speaker 1: say I think I disagree with you about it won't 260 00:15:11,200 --> 00:15:15,080 Speaker 1: be valuable because I mean, Dak is still working with 261 00:15:15,160 --> 00:15:17,880 Speaker 1: Kellen Moore, he's working with Doug nus Meyer, who's not 262 00:15:17,920 --> 00:15:20,040 Speaker 1: gonna be the quarterbacks coach who was working with the 263 00:15:20,080 --> 00:15:22,880 Speaker 1: tight end. So he has some familiarity there, but this 264 00:15:22,960 --> 00:15:26,359 Speaker 1: is still otherwise a new coaching staff and Mike McCarthy 265 00:15:26,360 --> 00:15:30,440 Speaker 1: and dealing with a lot of different, different, little subtle 266 00:15:30,480 --> 00:15:33,000 Speaker 1: things in the game. And I do think that this 267 00:15:33,000 --> 00:15:35,720 Speaker 1: will be valuable. I think this the meetings and kind 268 00:15:35,760 --> 00:15:38,040 Speaker 1: of showing his face and all of that stuff. I 269 00:15:38,360 --> 00:15:40,400 Speaker 1: think this will be valuable for him if he is 270 00:15:40,440 --> 00:15:43,440 Speaker 1: on those calls. I understand the leverage of if this 271 00:15:43,560 --> 00:15:47,000 Speaker 1: role happening in person, he wouldn't be there more, you know, 272 00:15:47,120 --> 00:15:50,480 Speaker 1: because he hasn't signed that tag. And but if you're 273 00:15:50,520 --> 00:15:52,680 Speaker 1: not having to leave your house and you're just logging 274 00:15:52,680 --> 00:15:54,720 Speaker 1: in and you're trying to you know, the meetings are 275 00:15:54,720 --> 00:15:57,480 Speaker 1: what's important for him to make sure that everyone is 276 00:15:57,480 --> 00:16:00,480 Speaker 1: on the same page. Assuming the season starts, it's on time. 277 00:16:00,520 --> 00:16:02,360 Speaker 1: So I think it would be valuable for him to 278 00:16:02,400 --> 00:16:04,640 Speaker 1: show his faith in those I think that takes the 279 00:16:04,800 --> 00:16:08,040 Speaker 1: value away just a little bit. I don't think we're 280 00:16:08,080 --> 00:16:12,000 Speaker 1: going to have a season this fall, and so there's 281 00:16:12,080 --> 00:16:16,120 Speaker 1: no urgency in this regard the fact that everything is changing, 282 00:16:16,160 --> 00:16:18,640 Speaker 1: the fact that he has to do this all virtual. Well, 283 00:16:19,200 --> 00:16:21,720 Speaker 1: that also the same reason that I think the season 284 00:16:21,840 --> 00:16:23,920 Speaker 1: is going to be in jeopardy because of everything that 285 00:16:23,960 --> 00:16:27,120 Speaker 1: we're dealing with. If they were coming up for the fall, 286 00:16:28,120 --> 00:16:30,360 Speaker 1: you might be right, you might have a case, Danny, 287 00:16:30,400 --> 00:16:33,520 Speaker 1: But I think that everything is going to be pushed 288 00:16:33,560 --> 00:16:36,520 Speaker 1: back to where eventually they're going to have the meetings 289 00:16:36,520 --> 00:16:39,720 Speaker 1: that they need to have before this season even starts. 290 00:16:40,800 --> 00:16:43,800 Speaker 1: But at this point, at this point, I just don't 291 00:16:43,840 --> 00:16:46,640 Speaker 1: think it's that important. You know. I think I kind 292 00:16:46,640 --> 00:16:50,320 Speaker 1: of agree with sort of with both of you. I 293 00:16:50,480 --> 00:16:53,320 Speaker 1: think it would help to be a part because they're 294 00:16:53,320 --> 00:16:55,840 Speaker 1: going to probably be putting in some new stuff, But 295 00:16:55,960 --> 00:16:58,320 Speaker 1: I don't think it's going to help to the point 296 00:16:58,360 --> 00:17:01,640 Speaker 1: that if he's not there, it's going to create leverage 297 00:17:01,720 --> 00:17:04,880 Speaker 1: and the Cowboys are gonna go, Okay, yeah, whatever you want. Yeah, 298 00:17:05,000 --> 00:17:07,159 Speaker 1: we're gonna sign you to this because we want you 299 00:17:07,200 --> 00:17:09,480 Speaker 1: to be part of these meetings. He's not going to 300 00:17:09,600 --> 00:17:12,320 Speaker 1: gain any leverage by doing it. All he's getting himself 301 00:17:12,440 --> 00:17:17,600 Speaker 1: is some poor publicity about the whole thing. Well, we've 302 00:17:17,600 --> 00:17:19,480 Speaker 1: got a lot more to talk about still. 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This isn't quite a read, but 352 00:20:07,640 --> 00:20:10,399 Speaker 1: I just wanted to tease the story feature story that 353 00:20:10,440 --> 00:20:13,560 Speaker 1: I'm going to have up today on Dallas Cowboys dot Com. 354 00:20:14,040 --> 00:20:17,960 Speaker 1: It's taking a look back at the nineteen ninety draft 355 00:20:18,119 --> 00:20:21,880 Speaker 1: thirty years ago, and it will be thirty years ago 356 00:20:22,440 --> 00:20:27,600 Speaker 1: next this coming Wednesday, when the Cowboys made the decision 357 00:20:27,720 --> 00:20:31,480 Speaker 1: to draft Emmett Smith, and everybody thinks, oh, look what 358 00:20:31,520 --> 00:20:35,200 Speaker 1: the Cowboys did at number seventeen, they got Emmett Smith. Well, 359 00:20:35,800 --> 00:20:39,159 Speaker 1: there's a backstory there that I think everybody that's not 360 00:20:39,320 --> 00:20:42,840 Speaker 1: familiar with that draft will be surprised on how the 361 00:20:42,880 --> 00:20:47,240 Speaker 1: Cowboys basically tried to do everything they could to not 362 00:20:47,440 --> 00:20:50,199 Speaker 1: draft Emmett Smith, and in the end they said, ah, 363 00:20:50,240 --> 00:20:53,600 Speaker 1: you know what, let's just take this running back from 364 00:20:54,160 --> 00:20:57,760 Speaker 1: the University of Florida, So pay attention. I think it's 365 00:20:57,800 --> 00:21:03,000 Speaker 1: a pretty interesting also. Kind of after that draft thirty 366 00:21:03,080 --> 00:21:08,280 Speaker 1: years ago, Everson Walls made a big decision. The Cowboys 367 00:21:08,359 --> 00:21:12,920 Speaker 1: basically told him that they weren't having him back. I'll 368 00:21:12,960 --> 00:21:17,560 Speaker 1: let him explain that story. It was nineteen ninety and Everson, 369 00:21:17,600 --> 00:21:20,080 Speaker 1: you had a bunch of teams interested in you, and 370 00:21:20,160 --> 00:21:23,159 Speaker 1: you took a while before you made the decision on 371 00:21:23,440 --> 00:21:27,640 Speaker 1: where you were going to sign and continue your career. Yeah, 372 00:21:27,760 --> 00:21:30,680 Speaker 1: that was thirty years ago. Wow, that's great. I think 373 00:21:30,680 --> 00:21:35,880 Speaker 1: my head was great even then. But now I recall 374 00:21:36,520 --> 00:21:40,960 Speaker 1: a couple of teams. That was the Seahawks. The Seattle 375 00:21:41,160 --> 00:21:45,560 Speaker 1: Seahawks wanted me badly. That's when Tom Floyd's was the 376 00:21:45,640 --> 00:21:50,000 Speaker 1: GM there, of course, of the former Great Raiders coach, 377 00:21:50,840 --> 00:21:53,320 Speaker 1: and he had moved up to Seattle change teams and 378 00:21:53,600 --> 00:21:56,640 Speaker 1: he had the GM job up there. And I had 379 00:21:56,760 --> 00:22:00,280 Speaker 1: never worked I never worked out on Sam and the 380 00:22:00,359 --> 00:22:05,800 Speaker 1: base turf as that was the weirdest workout I've ever had. 381 00:22:06,200 --> 00:22:09,840 Speaker 1: The turf itself was sand based and it had lumps 382 00:22:09,840 --> 00:22:12,280 Speaker 1: in it. You know, it wasn't even it had lumps 383 00:22:12,359 --> 00:22:14,760 Speaker 1: in like like it was natural grass or something. So 384 00:22:15,280 --> 00:22:18,920 Speaker 1: I'm thinking to myself only in Seattle can you have 385 00:22:19,359 --> 00:22:21,920 Speaker 1: sand based turf. I don't think any other team ever 386 00:22:21,960 --> 00:22:24,440 Speaker 1: had that. I went up there and worked out. Tom 387 00:22:24,520 --> 00:22:28,840 Speaker 1: wanted me bad. I knew at that time I knew 388 00:22:28,880 --> 00:22:30,760 Speaker 1: where I was going. I acted like I didn't know 389 00:22:30,760 --> 00:22:33,080 Speaker 1: where I was going, but I knew exactly where I 390 00:22:33,119 --> 00:22:35,200 Speaker 1: was going. I was not going to go to Seattle. 391 00:22:35,600 --> 00:22:37,640 Speaker 1: I knew, I knew where my plans were. I had 392 00:22:37,680 --> 00:22:40,720 Speaker 1: to play behind that front seven they had in New York. 393 00:22:40,880 --> 00:22:43,399 Speaker 1: There's no way I was and I'm pretty sure I 394 00:22:43,440 --> 00:22:47,919 Speaker 1: made it right decision. So I noticed before deleting up 395 00:22:47,920 --> 00:22:50,520 Speaker 1: to the draft, when I was researching the image story 396 00:22:50,600 --> 00:22:53,320 Speaker 1: that we were writing about you and the decisions you 397 00:22:53,400 --> 00:22:57,320 Speaker 1: had to make, and it looked like the Giants or 398 00:22:57,600 --> 00:23:01,000 Speaker 1: the Seahawks wanted you to decide before the draft so 399 00:23:01,080 --> 00:23:03,960 Speaker 1: they could alter their draft accordingly. And then at the 400 00:23:04,040 --> 00:23:06,600 Speaker 1: last minute I think I read or I don't know 401 00:23:06,640 --> 00:23:08,560 Speaker 1: if it was accurate, and you could tell us now 402 00:23:09,119 --> 00:23:11,679 Speaker 1: that the Rams kind of got a little bit interested 403 00:23:11,720 --> 00:23:14,800 Speaker 1: in you, but you didn't make your decision until after 404 00:23:14,920 --> 00:23:18,800 Speaker 1: the draft, when the Giant listened. I was a free 405 00:23:18,840 --> 00:23:21,560 Speaker 1: agent right, Not only that I was, I was not. 406 00:23:22,119 --> 00:23:24,520 Speaker 1: I was never even out of high school. I was 407 00:23:24,600 --> 00:23:27,560 Speaker 1: never held it. That was my time to take my 408 00:23:27,680 --> 00:23:32,840 Speaker 1: recruiting trips. Okay, that's all that was. I wanted to 409 00:23:32,920 --> 00:23:34,840 Speaker 1: go fly, man, I want to go to Seattle. I've 410 00:23:34,880 --> 00:23:38,879 Speaker 1: never been to Seattle. Seattle. Then they it's free to 411 00:23:39,080 --> 00:23:41,440 Speaker 1: they taking me to New York. Come on, man, the 412 00:23:41,520 --> 00:23:43,600 Speaker 1: big apple. I wanted to go there and have a 413 00:23:43,600 --> 00:23:45,560 Speaker 1: good time. Man. I knew exactly what I was gonna 414 00:23:45,560 --> 00:23:48,000 Speaker 1: do from day one. I just wanted to milk it. 415 00:23:48,040 --> 00:23:49,960 Speaker 1: That's all. I just wanted to milk it. Well you did, 416 00:23:49,960 --> 00:23:51,639 Speaker 1: because I think you stretched it out. I think the 417 00:23:51,720 --> 00:23:55,280 Speaker 1: draft that's twenty second and he signed on the twenty 418 00:23:55,280 --> 00:23:58,400 Speaker 1: eighth or something like that. So was your contact with 419 00:23:58,480 --> 00:24:01,920 Speaker 1: the Giants? Was it right with Bill Parcels or did who? Yeah? 420 00:24:01,960 --> 00:24:04,760 Speaker 1: I called Bill myself. I called Bill. I called Bill, 421 00:24:04,960 --> 00:24:07,720 Speaker 1: and it's so funny he answered the phone. There was 422 00:24:07,720 --> 00:24:11,040 Speaker 1: no secretary. I probably called at the perfect time. And 423 00:24:11,640 --> 00:24:14,080 Speaker 1: you know, you have to put on the air of confidence. 424 00:24:14,119 --> 00:24:15,920 Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know if Bill wanted me to not, 425 00:24:16,640 --> 00:24:18,720 Speaker 1: but I acted as if I was, you know, hot stuff. 426 00:24:18,880 --> 00:24:21,119 Speaker 1: You know. So we're on the phone and I'm not 427 00:24:21,200 --> 00:24:23,360 Speaker 1: calling them Coach Parcel. I was like, hey, Bill, it's 428 00:24:23,400 --> 00:24:26,439 Speaker 1: everything you know, So you know, I tried to be 429 00:24:27,119 --> 00:24:30,080 Speaker 1: are and player at the same time. It worked out 430 00:24:30,080 --> 00:24:32,399 Speaker 1: pretty good. So you didn't have your hair is not 431 00:24:32,480 --> 00:24:36,119 Speaker 1: gray and those pictures. Oh you got a little real close, Danny, 432 00:24:36,119 --> 00:24:38,920 Speaker 1: you got a little real close. My just the man 433 00:24:39,080 --> 00:24:41,600 Speaker 1: wasn't even invented yet, I don't think. So. Yeah, it 434 00:24:41,680 --> 00:24:44,400 Speaker 1: was tough. And then the bottom line on that decision 435 00:24:44,600 --> 00:24:48,320 Speaker 1: is Everson goes on to win a Super Bowl that 436 00:24:48,440 --> 00:24:51,520 Speaker 1: year with the Giants. So good decision, right, Oh yeah, 437 00:24:51,640 --> 00:24:53,640 Speaker 1: Seattle was no whether to be found in the playoffs 438 00:24:53,680 --> 00:24:55,520 Speaker 1: that year, So yeah, I think I made a good decision. 439 00:24:56,040 --> 00:24:58,280 Speaker 1: And Mickey, when you were covering the Cowboys, there was 440 00:24:58,359 --> 00:25:02,159 Speaker 1: some mornings that broth that same week. Yeah, absolutely, And 441 00:25:02,280 --> 00:25:06,280 Speaker 1: Everson probably remember this. Um the Cowboys were gonna move 442 00:25:06,320 --> 00:25:09,480 Speaker 1: on from Ed to Tall Jones too. He had played 443 00:25:09,800 --> 00:25:14,439 Speaker 1: his fifteenth season in eighty nine, which at that time 444 00:25:14,680 --> 00:25:18,600 Speaker 1: was the career record until it was tied by Bill 445 00:25:18,640 --> 00:25:20,800 Speaker 1: Bates and Mark two and a and then broken by 446 00:25:20,800 --> 00:25:25,679 Speaker 1: Witton and Ed and Ed knew that Cowboys were moving on. 447 00:25:25,800 --> 00:25:30,119 Speaker 1: He had played eighty nine with Jimmy and towards the 448 00:25:30,240 --> 00:25:33,480 Speaker 1: end of the season. If you remember this, Everson, they 449 00:25:33,480 --> 00:25:36,840 Speaker 1: were going to transition that spot to Tony Tolbert and 450 00:25:36,880 --> 00:25:39,360 Speaker 1: they were gonna start Tony Tolbert, and the media made 451 00:25:39,400 --> 00:25:44,480 Speaker 1: a big deal about ending Ed's consecutive streak of starting games, 452 00:25:44,920 --> 00:25:47,800 Speaker 1: and Jimmy basically said, okay, I'll start him. And then 453 00:25:47,880 --> 00:25:51,040 Speaker 1: after the first quarter, Tolbert's going in, right, so he 454 00:25:51,160 --> 00:25:54,480 Speaker 1: knew it was done, and he basically said, yeah, I'm 455 00:25:54,960 --> 00:25:58,879 Speaker 1: I'm leaving and and and Ed. You know, he was 456 00:25:59,040 --> 00:26:03,479 Speaker 1: thirty nine at that time, and basically said, you know, 457 00:26:03,640 --> 00:26:07,440 Speaker 1: the coach said he's going with younger players, they're transitioning, 458 00:26:07,520 --> 00:26:09,840 Speaker 1: they're not going to keep me around. So yeah, I 459 00:26:09,880 --> 00:26:12,000 Speaker 1: don't think I'm gonna be back with the Cowboys. So 460 00:26:12,080 --> 00:26:15,920 Speaker 1: he made that announcement and then eventually retired that year. 461 00:26:15,960 --> 00:26:18,920 Speaker 1: But that was a long career. I don't know why. 462 00:26:19,240 --> 00:26:22,199 Speaker 1: I don't know why you would replace Ed. You know, 463 00:26:22,280 --> 00:26:25,080 Speaker 1: like last game of the season. I know, I know 464 00:26:25,280 --> 00:26:30,239 Speaker 1: one of fifteen who cares if Tony Tolbit starts the 465 00:26:30,359 --> 00:26:33,439 Speaker 1: last game of a one in fifteen season. You know, 466 00:26:33,880 --> 00:26:37,640 Speaker 1: as I looked back when Jones bought the team, that 467 00:26:37,760 --> 00:26:40,600 Speaker 1: was kind of like a COVID nineteen moment as well. 468 00:26:40,720 --> 00:26:43,560 Speaker 1: You know, a lot of changes came in, Yeah, a 469 00:26:43,560 --> 00:26:46,400 Speaker 1: lot of changes. So yeah, I looked at that as 470 00:26:47,520 --> 00:26:51,199 Speaker 1: you know, one of those moments to where it changed everything. 471 00:26:51,320 --> 00:26:54,560 Speaker 1: We were so accustomed to Tom Landry, you know, and 472 00:26:54,600 --> 00:26:57,600 Speaker 1: all of a sudden, here comes these these jay boys 473 00:26:57,640 --> 00:27:00,040 Speaker 1: as you guys call them at the time. That it 474 00:27:00,080 --> 00:27:04,119 Speaker 1: was almost a COVID nineteen moment right there, because everything 475 00:27:04,240 --> 00:27:07,720 Speaker 1: changed after that. They came sweeping through like a plague. 476 00:27:08,840 --> 00:27:10,840 Speaker 1: But I guess it was a good plague. No, yeah, 477 00:27:10,880 --> 00:27:13,560 Speaker 1: you know, you're absolutely right. And then you know ed 478 00:27:14,240 --> 00:27:17,840 Speaker 1: those three guys held that record till this past season 479 00:27:17,920 --> 00:27:23,199 Speaker 1: when Jason Witten ended up playing a sixteenth season for 480 00:27:23,320 --> 00:27:26,199 Speaker 1: the Cowboys and now it looks like he's gonna end 481 00:27:26,280 --> 00:27:29,000 Speaker 1: up with the Raiders. What did you think about it, Everson, 482 00:27:29,080 --> 00:27:32,480 Speaker 1: that you know, a guy that's played that long, thirty 483 00:27:32,520 --> 00:27:35,480 Speaker 1: seven years old, but he still wants to get another 484 00:27:35,560 --> 00:27:39,240 Speaker 1: year in. You know, I could relate, Trust me, I 485 00:27:39,280 --> 00:27:41,240 Speaker 1: could relate. It took me a while to just kind 486 00:27:41,240 --> 00:27:44,359 Speaker 1: of realize, you know what, this is not good for me. 487 00:27:44,440 --> 00:27:47,560 Speaker 1: It's not good for my my my ego. I'm up 488 00:27:47,560 --> 00:27:49,840 Speaker 1: here trying to work out for all these different teams 489 00:27:50,280 --> 00:27:52,720 Speaker 1: I've got, seemed like the guys were younger than me 490 00:27:52,920 --> 00:27:57,480 Speaker 1: that was that were evaluating me, And I don't think 491 00:27:57,480 --> 00:28:00,560 Speaker 1: that any of them really remembered who I was. It 492 00:28:00,640 --> 00:28:03,560 Speaker 1: was kind of degrading actually to go through that process. 493 00:28:03,640 --> 00:28:08,360 Speaker 1: So we still put ourselves through it as older players 494 00:28:08,400 --> 00:28:12,720 Speaker 1: simply because you know, that's all we're accustomed to, and 495 00:28:13,119 --> 00:28:14,880 Speaker 1: so you think, maybe I can just give it one 496 00:28:14,960 --> 00:28:18,919 Speaker 1: last try, and it's no different. I was no different. 497 00:28:19,920 --> 00:28:22,200 Speaker 1: But it doesn't take long at that age to realize, 498 00:28:22,240 --> 00:28:26,520 Speaker 1: you know what, this is a bad idea. So yeah, 499 00:28:26,600 --> 00:28:29,240 Speaker 1: you know, and I thought it was interesting. This week 500 00:28:29,560 --> 00:28:34,720 Speaker 1: Mike Mayock the Raiders GM, I guess he was asked, 501 00:28:34,720 --> 00:28:36,920 Speaker 1: why why do you want a thirty seven year old 502 00:28:37,000 --> 00:28:40,440 Speaker 1: tight end who's going to be playing a seventeenth season 503 00:28:40,760 --> 00:28:43,720 Speaker 1: when you have a really good tight end in a 504 00:28:43,840 --> 00:28:47,240 Speaker 1: nice tight end room. What do you do and what 505 00:28:47,280 --> 00:28:50,840 Speaker 1: are you thinking about? And he basically said that bringing 506 00:28:50,840 --> 00:28:53,960 Speaker 1: in a guy like Jason Wooden helps the room because 507 00:28:54,000 --> 00:28:57,360 Speaker 1: now these guys can listen to somebody that knows how 508 00:28:57,400 --> 00:29:00,560 Speaker 1: to do it, that's done it, and if nothing else, 509 00:29:00,640 --> 00:29:04,600 Speaker 1: the leadership he brings will help us out and the 510 00:29:04,640 --> 00:29:06,800 Speaker 1: other thing had occurred to me with Whitton this week 511 00:29:07,080 --> 00:29:10,880 Speaker 1: was that when you looked at his numbers in the decade, boy, 512 00:29:10,920 --> 00:29:15,200 Speaker 1: he put up some pretty big numbers, even though he 513 00:29:15,400 --> 00:29:18,840 Speaker 1: missed the twenty eighteen season, and yes, he only had 514 00:29:18,880 --> 00:29:22,040 Speaker 1: the two one thousand yard season, But I thought he 515 00:29:22,080 --> 00:29:26,080 Speaker 1: could have made a point for him to be placed 516 00:29:26,120 --> 00:29:28,840 Speaker 1: on that All Decade team as the other tight end 517 00:29:28,880 --> 00:29:33,560 Speaker 1: with Gronkowski. But Travis Kelsey had won that one, you know. 518 00:29:33,920 --> 00:29:37,080 Speaker 1: And I know he didn't play as many games but 519 00:29:37,320 --> 00:29:40,760 Speaker 1: as Wit, but Whitten had more catches, more yards, the 520 00:29:40,880 --> 00:29:43,880 Speaker 1: same amount of Pro Bowls, and I thought you could 521 00:29:43,920 --> 00:29:46,160 Speaker 1: have made an argument there for Witten to be placed 522 00:29:46,200 --> 00:29:48,560 Speaker 1: on that All Decade team. I think it's just those 523 00:29:48,600 --> 00:29:51,120 Speaker 1: Super Bowl rings that he's missing, and that was probably 524 00:29:51,120 --> 00:29:54,960 Speaker 1: what kept him off the list. And Kelsey, yeah, daddy, 525 00:29:55,000 --> 00:29:57,360 Speaker 1: And you know, winning the Super Bowl probably helped him 526 00:29:57,480 --> 00:30:00,920 Speaker 1: get the notoriety to say, oh, yeah, okay, guy, he's 527 00:30:00,920 --> 00:30:04,040 Speaker 1: played five six years this decade, he's the All decade 528 00:30:04,480 --> 00:30:08,360 Speaker 1: tight end. Yeah, it'll definitely be interesting to see Witten's role. 529 00:30:08,400 --> 00:30:11,520 Speaker 1: You're right, I think that leadership is probably one of 530 00:30:11,560 --> 00:30:15,160 Speaker 1: his bigger qualities at this point in his career. Everything 531 00:30:15,240 --> 00:30:18,200 Speaker 1: that he does for his teammates and those around him 532 00:30:18,320 --> 00:30:22,200 Speaker 1: off the field, and I still think it'll be exciting 533 00:30:22,480 --> 00:30:25,160 Speaker 1: to watch him play. I mean, Cowboys fans who have 534 00:30:25,320 --> 00:30:28,240 Speaker 1: known him and loved him and watched him for seventeen 535 00:30:28,320 --> 00:30:29,920 Speaker 1: years and all he's been through, you want him to 536 00:30:29,960 --> 00:30:33,520 Speaker 1: be successful. It's kind of sad to see a player 537 00:30:33,560 --> 00:30:35,600 Speaker 1: like that. He's going to be in a different jersey 538 00:30:35,640 --> 00:30:37,360 Speaker 1: and it's going to be different, but you still want 539 00:30:37,360 --> 00:30:39,520 Speaker 1: to see him have success. And it's even going to 540 00:30:39,600 --> 00:30:43,160 Speaker 1: be crazy because the Raiders move in to Las Vegas. 541 00:30:43,160 --> 00:30:45,720 Speaker 1: They haven't even finished their stadium, so now you think 542 00:30:46,000 --> 00:30:48,160 Speaker 1: it's thirty seven years old, him and every other player 543 00:30:48,200 --> 00:30:51,280 Speaker 1: are going to have to be probably assuming there's a season, 544 00:30:51,840 --> 00:30:55,880 Speaker 1: traveling every weekend, because it came out this week that 545 00:30:55,960 --> 00:30:59,520 Speaker 1: they're having a like a contingency plan where they would 546 00:30:59,520 --> 00:31:03,360 Speaker 1: play games in Salt Lake City, Phoenix, and San Diego 547 00:31:03,880 --> 00:31:07,000 Speaker 1: since their stadium isn't finished. That's a lot of travel 548 00:31:07,360 --> 00:31:10,200 Speaker 1: and play for someone who is thirty seven years old. 549 00:31:11,520 --> 00:31:14,720 Speaker 1: Changing I kind of kind I kind of lost you 550 00:31:14,760 --> 00:31:16,960 Speaker 1: guys there for a minute. But here's one thing that 551 00:31:17,040 --> 00:31:19,080 Speaker 1: I wish could have had it. If I could turn 552 00:31:19,160 --> 00:31:22,400 Speaker 1: back the clock. I would turn it back to a 553 00:31:22,400 --> 00:31:25,800 Speaker 1: couple of years ago when Witten was in the booth. 554 00:31:27,200 --> 00:31:30,520 Speaker 1: I thought that he still would have had more in 555 00:31:30,560 --> 00:31:34,600 Speaker 1: the tank than he had last year, and having him 556 00:31:34,640 --> 00:31:40,680 Speaker 1: on that team that experienced that resurgence with Cooper coming in, 557 00:31:41,320 --> 00:31:44,360 Speaker 1: I really wish we would have had Whitten at the 558 00:31:44,440 --> 00:31:47,960 Speaker 1: time that year. I don't think Whitten or anyone else 559 00:31:48,440 --> 00:31:52,920 Speaker 1: could anticipate the difference that Cooper would make for that team. 560 00:31:54,280 --> 00:31:56,560 Speaker 1: I think Whitten thought, you know what, this team is 561 00:31:56,560 --> 00:31:58,040 Speaker 1: going to go as far as they can go. I 562 00:31:58,040 --> 00:31:59,800 Speaker 1: think I need to start looking forward to a life 563 00:32:00,000 --> 00:32:01,960 Speaker 1: after football. That's what he was thinking at that time. 564 00:32:02,720 --> 00:32:04,800 Speaker 1: I really wish he could have been with that team 565 00:32:05,320 --> 00:32:08,920 Speaker 1: when we made that turnaround during mid season. Uh possibly 566 00:32:08,920 --> 00:32:12,320 Speaker 1: could have gone on even further, could have beaten the Rams, 567 00:32:12,360 --> 00:32:15,960 Speaker 1: maybe maybe even position ourselves even better for the playoffs, 568 00:32:16,240 --> 00:32:18,800 Speaker 1: and maybe it wouldn't even have had to play in 569 00:32:18,840 --> 00:32:23,440 Speaker 1: the wild card. Around that years, I always wonder what 570 00:32:23,480 --> 00:32:25,520 Speaker 1: would have happened if he would have stuck with us 571 00:32:25,640 --> 00:32:28,640 Speaker 1: for that one particular season. You know, that's a good 572 00:32:28,640 --> 00:32:31,600 Speaker 1: point because if you think about and even though the 573 00:32:31,720 --> 00:32:36,440 Speaker 1: Rams offense ran right over the Cowboys defense, the margin 574 00:32:36,600 --> 00:32:41,240 Speaker 1: between winning and losing that game wasn't really that great. 575 00:32:41,320 --> 00:32:45,480 Speaker 1: There was a couple critical calls in that game, uh 576 00:32:46,280 --> 00:32:52,040 Speaker 1: term that we started that in the grasp, yeah, absolutely, 577 00:32:52,320 --> 00:32:55,320 Speaker 1: and that that BS call and hands to the face 578 00:32:55,400 --> 00:32:59,080 Speaker 1: on Byron Jones. Cowboys were going to get off the field, 579 00:32:59,320 --> 00:33:02,800 Speaker 1: and then two plays later Girly goes thirty some yards 580 00:33:02,840 --> 00:33:05,200 Speaker 1: for a touchdown and they ended up losing by what 581 00:33:05,360 --> 00:33:09,960 Speaker 1: eight points? Eight points points? And that's a good point 582 00:33:10,040 --> 00:33:13,360 Speaker 1: that a guy like Witten on that team could have 583 00:33:13,440 --> 00:33:16,440 Speaker 1: made a significant difference, especially at the tight end position, 584 00:33:16,680 --> 00:33:19,520 Speaker 1: especially at that two minute drive. You know we're coming down. 585 00:33:19,600 --> 00:33:22,520 Speaker 1: This is when when Dad loves to look for Witten 586 00:33:22,560 --> 00:33:25,400 Speaker 1: in that particular time. We make jokes about you know, 587 00:33:25,480 --> 00:33:28,760 Speaker 1: Witten's yak so to speak. They say, I might have that, 588 00:33:28,880 --> 00:33:31,640 Speaker 1: he might have a negative yak in an entire career, 589 00:33:32,360 --> 00:33:36,400 Speaker 1: but he moves the chains and that's something that we 590 00:33:36,480 --> 00:33:42,680 Speaker 1: needed on that final drive we were down by eight points. 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A lot of NFL players have been trying 657 00:37:40,880 --> 00:37:45,120 Speaker 1: to see which state has produced the best football players, 658 00:37:45,160 --> 00:37:48,200 Speaker 1: and of course it was pretty much all buy Texas, right, 659 00:37:48,280 --> 00:37:51,160 Speaker 1: But you've got players saying Florida, where Mark Cooper, You've 660 00:37:51,200 --> 00:37:54,000 Speaker 1: got Georgia and all these players are trying to see 661 00:37:54,040 --> 00:37:56,759 Speaker 1: but we know that it's Texas. And there's actually a 662 00:37:57,360 --> 00:38:01,680 Speaker 1: handful of local players in this draft who who've really 663 00:38:01,719 --> 00:38:03,799 Speaker 1: made a name for themselves. And Mickey, I know you've 664 00:38:03,800 --> 00:38:07,239 Speaker 1: been looking at one from Dosto a wide receiver out there. Yeah, 665 00:38:07,360 --> 00:38:13,760 Speaker 1: Lo Viscus Channel wide receiver University of Colorado. He played 666 00:38:13,760 --> 00:38:17,320 Speaker 1: his high school ball at Dosto High, won a state 667 00:38:17,400 --> 00:38:22,399 Speaker 1: championship there with him in twenty sixteen, and played three 668 00:38:22,520 --> 00:38:25,759 Speaker 1: years at Colorado. And he's a kind of a guy 669 00:38:25,800 --> 00:38:30,160 Speaker 1: that maybe fell off the screen just a little bit. 670 00:38:30,239 --> 00:38:34,840 Speaker 1: This year, his software year at Colorado, he led the 671 00:38:34,960 --> 00:38:40,600 Speaker 1: nation in yards per game receiving yards per game, and 672 00:38:42,320 --> 00:38:47,680 Speaker 1: one draft guru described him as maybe the best athlete 673 00:38:47,880 --> 00:38:51,560 Speaker 1: in the draft. He's six one two twenty two and 674 00:38:51,640 --> 00:38:56,400 Speaker 1: he's played all three wide receiver positions at the University 675 00:38:56,440 --> 00:38:59,920 Speaker 1: of Colorado. So he's a guy that you know, hey, 676 00:39:00,000 --> 00:39:05,080 Speaker 1: maybe he's not recognized in that class with the Judy's 677 00:39:05,280 --> 00:39:09,640 Speaker 1: and rug and CD Lamb, but he could be a 678 00:39:09,640 --> 00:39:13,799 Speaker 1: pretty productive wide receiver. And one thing I thought was 679 00:39:13,840 --> 00:39:17,480 Speaker 1: interesting ever since when he went to the combine, he 680 00:39:17,560 --> 00:39:20,960 Speaker 1: only ran like a four or five eight, but he 681 00:39:21,080 --> 00:39:24,880 Speaker 1: needed a core muscle surgery, so he kind of powered 682 00:39:24,920 --> 00:39:27,960 Speaker 1: through it anyway and just at least ran the forty. 683 00:39:29,000 --> 00:39:32,360 Speaker 1: And he's probably faster than that he's had the surgery, 684 00:39:32,560 --> 00:39:36,560 Speaker 1: and maybe teams will not value him as highly as 685 00:39:37,200 --> 00:39:40,200 Speaker 1: maybe he should be. And so if the Cowboys are 686 00:39:40,239 --> 00:39:44,360 Speaker 1: looking for a wide receiver, maybe second round, early third 687 00:39:45,160 --> 00:39:48,480 Speaker 1: might keep an eye on this local kid, because he's 688 00:39:49,160 --> 00:39:52,120 Speaker 1: one heck of an athlete. You know, one thing you 689 00:39:52,120 --> 00:39:57,320 Speaker 1: you want to stereotype some guys in regards to size 690 00:39:57,600 --> 00:40:02,640 Speaker 1: and even speed. I think more than anything, we need 691 00:40:02,680 --> 00:40:06,400 Speaker 1: a slot receiver. I think we need that third down receiver. 692 00:40:07,040 --> 00:40:09,040 Speaker 1: I think jar One's gonna be big for us some 693 00:40:09,200 --> 00:40:12,120 Speaker 1: third downs this year, just as Witting it always has been, 694 00:40:12,640 --> 00:40:17,680 Speaker 1: but Jarding with a little bit more mobility, putting a 695 00:40:17,719 --> 00:40:20,840 Speaker 1: big receiver sixth one, that's a big receiver to be 696 00:40:20,840 --> 00:40:24,080 Speaker 1: in the slot as far as I'm concerned, not just 697 00:40:24,160 --> 00:40:27,799 Speaker 1: six one, but he's over two hundred and twenty plus pounds. 698 00:40:27,920 --> 00:40:32,800 Speaker 1: That would be kind of difficult to see me watching 699 00:40:32,840 --> 00:40:35,120 Speaker 1: him in the slot. Maybe I'm wrong, Maybe he's got 700 00:40:35,160 --> 00:40:38,120 Speaker 1: the quickness to do it. Obviously, you talked about him 701 00:40:38,160 --> 00:40:41,480 Speaker 1: playing all three positions, but I'd be very curious to 702 00:40:41,520 --> 00:40:45,480 Speaker 1: see just how effective he would be in the slot 703 00:40:45,560 --> 00:40:47,959 Speaker 1: for the Dallas Cowboys. You know, one of the things 704 00:40:48,320 --> 00:40:52,359 Speaker 1: Danny Andrrison that I noticed about him is he's one 705 00:40:52,400 --> 00:40:56,680 Speaker 1: of those kind of jack of all trade receivers, like 706 00:40:56,800 --> 00:41:00,080 Speaker 1: you can handle the ball. You could snap him to 707 00:41:00,160 --> 00:41:02,239 Speaker 1: him if you if you wanted to do that. And 708 00:41:02,600 --> 00:41:04,959 Speaker 1: he's a recruit. Who's the stud for the Titans. Who's 709 00:41:05,000 --> 00:41:07,080 Speaker 1: that stud for the Titans? You're talking about him being 710 00:41:07,120 --> 00:41:10,360 Speaker 1: like the uh, the wide receiver for the Titans that 711 00:41:10,400 --> 00:41:11,920 Speaker 1: did so well this year. I think he was a 712 00:41:12,000 --> 00:41:17,480 Speaker 1: rookie oh um. I mean he just took over uh 713 00:41:17,880 --> 00:41:20,360 Speaker 1: in the in the postseason and showed just at the 714 00:41:20,440 --> 00:41:23,200 Speaker 1: end of the season and postseason, he showed just how 715 00:41:23,239 --> 00:41:26,240 Speaker 1: good he was. Uh. And he is. He's not necessarily 716 00:41:26,280 --> 00:41:29,560 Speaker 1: as tall, but my goodness, he is a load to 717 00:41:29,600 --> 00:41:33,120 Speaker 1: bring down very athletic, and I'm wondering if they would 718 00:41:33,160 --> 00:41:35,799 Speaker 1: probably use this young man, if the Cowboys would use 719 00:41:35,880 --> 00:41:39,160 Speaker 1: this young man the way the Titans use uh, their 720 00:41:39,239 --> 00:41:42,960 Speaker 1: young stud in the same manner. Yeah, and it's kind 721 00:41:43,000 --> 00:41:45,320 Speaker 1: of a neat story that the guy, you know, he 722 00:41:45,880 --> 00:41:48,520 Speaker 1: kind of probably could have played in the state of Texas, 723 00:41:48,600 --> 00:41:51,759 Speaker 1: but ended up going to Colorado and uh and had 724 00:41:51,800 --> 00:41:54,839 Speaker 1: a really nice career though. So yeah, keep it, keep 725 00:41:54,880 --> 00:41:57,640 Speaker 1: an eye on him. Uh. He's just one of these 726 00:41:57,680 --> 00:42:00,880 Speaker 1: guys that can do a lot of things for you. 727 00:42:01,640 --> 00:42:04,720 Speaker 1: And you're right, ever since he's he's a little bit bigger. 728 00:42:05,719 --> 00:42:08,640 Speaker 1: But again, a lot of times those slot receivers are 729 00:42:08,880 --> 00:42:12,520 Speaker 1: a little bit smaller, and the loss of all right, 730 00:42:12,600 --> 00:42:15,040 Speaker 1: I meant to say, the defensive backs in the slot 731 00:42:15,080 --> 00:42:17,640 Speaker 1: are usually a little Yes they are, Yes they are, 732 00:42:18,200 --> 00:42:21,799 Speaker 1: And that's a little titbit. That's why Belichick loved big 733 00:42:21,840 --> 00:42:25,520 Speaker 1: defensive backs. And he doesn't care who you were, what 734 00:42:25,680 --> 00:42:29,080 Speaker 1: position you were a customer playing if you're gonna be 735 00:42:29,680 --> 00:42:33,440 Speaker 1: a physical defensive back, he liked a lot of size. Therefore, 736 00:42:33,480 --> 00:42:36,200 Speaker 1: we had Perry Williams, who was just as tall as 737 00:42:36,239 --> 00:42:39,920 Speaker 1: I was, maybe taller and bigger, playing at the cornerback position. 738 00:42:40,640 --> 00:42:44,400 Speaker 1: It depends on who you play and what their system is, 739 00:42:44,440 --> 00:42:47,000 Speaker 1: but some of them like to be physical on that 740 00:42:47,080 --> 00:42:51,320 Speaker 1: slot receiver because he's so prevalent on third downs and 741 00:42:51,440 --> 00:42:54,520 Speaker 1: that slot position is wide open needs to be filled. 742 00:42:54,800 --> 00:42:58,040 Speaker 1: You have some some receivers from last year, Cedric Wilson 743 00:42:58,080 --> 00:43:00,960 Speaker 1: and Davin Smith, and you could try rotate around, but 744 00:43:01,000 --> 00:43:04,000 Speaker 1: the loss of Randal codfree agency has really put that 745 00:43:04,120 --> 00:43:07,880 Speaker 1: as an offensive spot that people are looking at. How 746 00:43:07,920 --> 00:43:10,320 Speaker 1: the Cowboys are going to draft. And there's a ton 747 00:43:10,480 --> 00:43:13,440 Speaker 1: of depth in the receiver position this draft class, I 748 00:43:13,440 --> 00:43:15,640 Speaker 1: mean it is loaded. But when you look at those 749 00:43:16,040 --> 00:43:19,360 Speaker 1: top names that are going to go early Seedee Lamb 750 00:43:20,040 --> 00:43:23,360 Speaker 1: for the receivers. And what's interesting is, I know, Mickey, 751 00:43:23,480 --> 00:43:26,399 Speaker 1: you found some research about a cool connection for who 752 00:43:26,400 --> 00:43:29,680 Speaker 1: are going to be three top draft picks with safety 753 00:43:29,719 --> 00:43:32,839 Speaker 1: Grant Delpit out of LSU Ceedee Lamb the receiver out 754 00:43:32,840 --> 00:43:36,120 Speaker 1: of Oklahoma, and Kenneth Murray, the linebacker who we talked 755 00:43:36,160 --> 00:43:39,920 Speaker 1: about last week without really amazing virtual interview with the Cowboys, 756 00:43:39,920 --> 00:43:42,479 Speaker 1: and you found a connection for all three of them. Yeah, 757 00:43:42,480 --> 00:43:45,480 Speaker 1: this is crazy, guys, because I was reading a story 758 00:43:45,560 --> 00:43:52,719 Speaker 1: about the Delpit family from New Orleans and they ended 759 00:43:52,800 --> 00:43:57,759 Speaker 1: up leaving New Orleans after Hurricane Katrina and evacuated to 760 00:43:58,400 --> 00:44:03,200 Speaker 1: the city of Houston. And he was Grant, the safety, 761 00:44:04,120 --> 00:44:07,479 Speaker 1: was like six seven, eight years old, somewhere in there, 762 00:44:08,160 --> 00:44:12,640 Speaker 1: probably about six or seven, and when they moved, and 763 00:44:12,680 --> 00:44:16,760 Speaker 1: he ended up as a junior, as a junior high 764 00:44:16,800 --> 00:44:22,480 Speaker 1: player playing for this youth team. Well on the youth 765 00:44:22,560 --> 00:44:28,640 Speaker 1: team along with Grant delpot is Ceedee Lamb, And I 766 00:44:28,680 --> 00:44:32,319 Speaker 1: didn't realize Ceedee Lamb also his family was from New 767 00:44:32,400 --> 00:44:36,680 Speaker 1: Orleans and they evacuated and ended up in Houston, and 768 00:44:36,880 --> 00:44:40,320 Speaker 1: these two guys ended up on that same youth team 769 00:44:40,680 --> 00:44:45,439 Speaker 1: along with as Danny said, Kenneth Murray, who was from 770 00:44:45,480 --> 00:44:48,600 Speaker 1: there in the first place, the linebacker. So these three 771 00:44:48,680 --> 00:44:51,439 Speaker 1: guys are playing on the same youth team. You think 772 00:44:51,440 --> 00:44:56,919 Speaker 1: they ever got beat? I just think it's incredible that 773 00:44:57,280 --> 00:45:02,640 Speaker 1: back when your junior high age, what like twelve, thirteen, eleven, uh, 774 00:45:02,800 --> 00:45:05,120 Speaker 1: these three guys are playing on a team, and now 775 00:45:05,800 --> 00:45:08,279 Speaker 1: all these years later, here they are, all three of 776 00:45:08,280 --> 00:45:12,879 Speaker 1: them probably be first round draft choices. It was a story. 777 00:45:13,040 --> 00:45:15,839 Speaker 1: So do we get to do we get to put 778 00:45:15,880 --> 00:45:20,960 Speaker 1: them in the Texas category or the Louisiana category. That's 779 00:45:21,080 --> 00:45:24,040 Speaker 1: that's all that's important. Yeah, that's a good question. Can 780 00:45:24,120 --> 00:45:27,279 Speaker 1: we claim them in Texas or dude, does Louisiana still 781 00:45:27,320 --> 00:45:32,239 Speaker 1: have They were in high school though with Katrina, No, 782 00:45:32,400 --> 00:45:35,080 Speaker 1: they were like five six years old. That was fifty 783 00:45:35,280 --> 00:45:38,520 Speaker 1: I would say Texas. Yes, I'm with you, Danny. I 784 00:45:38,520 --> 00:45:43,040 Speaker 1: would say if basically before eight years old, let's let's 785 00:45:43,040 --> 00:45:44,840 Speaker 1: just say it like that, eight years old, but you 786 00:45:44,840 --> 00:45:50,480 Speaker 1: don't have to show your birth certificate, we'll claim them 787 00:45:50,480 --> 00:45:53,800 Speaker 1: for Texas. Uh. Those guys that a bunch of other guys, 788 00:45:53,800 --> 00:45:56,640 Speaker 1: their lives were going to change forever in one week 789 00:45:56,680 --> 00:45:59,879 Speaker 1: from today with the NFL Draft, the first of those 790 00:46:00,480 --> 00:46:03,800 Speaker 1: virtual rounds. And I want to ask you guys, because 791 00:46:05,000 --> 00:46:08,520 Speaker 1: I think you could argue. I think the argument comes 792 00:46:08,560 --> 00:46:11,720 Speaker 1: down to two positions. For my question of the season 793 00:46:11,760 --> 00:46:14,920 Speaker 1: were to start today, when you look at the players, 794 00:46:14,920 --> 00:46:19,239 Speaker 1: the Cowboys have, what is the greatest position of need? 795 00:46:19,640 --> 00:46:21,640 Speaker 1: And I want to hear what you guys think, because 796 00:46:21,719 --> 00:46:23,719 Speaker 1: as fun as it would be to draft one of 797 00:46:23,760 --> 00:46:28,160 Speaker 1: these amazing receivers with pick seventeen, the Cowboys first round 798 00:46:28,200 --> 00:46:31,200 Speaker 1: draft pick, I think it comes down to whether or 799 00:46:31,200 --> 00:46:34,240 Speaker 1: not the Cowboys are going to draft a pass rusher 800 00:46:34,480 --> 00:46:36,840 Speaker 1: on the right side of that defensive line after losing 801 00:46:36,960 --> 00:46:40,279 Speaker 1: Robert Quinn to free agency, or are they going to 802 00:46:40,360 --> 00:46:42,680 Speaker 1: look more at the defensive back position and go for 803 00:46:42,760 --> 00:46:44,760 Speaker 1: a cornerback. So, if the season were to start today, 804 00:46:44,800 --> 00:46:48,720 Speaker 1: what is the biggest area of need for this Cowboys team? Everson? 805 00:46:48,760 --> 00:46:51,080 Speaker 1: I'll let you go first because I wrote about this 806 00:46:51,160 --> 00:46:55,759 Speaker 1: last Friday on Dallas Cowboys dot Com and my suggestion was, 807 00:46:55,760 --> 00:46:59,560 Speaker 1: when the Cowboys look at where you go, you look 808 00:46:59,600 --> 00:47:03,720 Speaker 1: at the position. What position scares you the most, meaning 809 00:47:03,800 --> 00:47:07,000 Speaker 1: not scares the other team? Scares you? On what I 810 00:47:07,160 --> 00:47:10,480 Speaker 1: have if I have to play tomorrow. What do I 811 00:47:10,600 --> 00:47:14,000 Speaker 1: absolutely need if I have to play tomorrow. So I'll 812 00:47:14,040 --> 00:47:17,960 Speaker 1: give the floor to you first. I would look at 813 00:47:18,040 --> 00:47:24,280 Speaker 1: the entire middle of the Cowboys defensive formation. I still 814 00:47:24,320 --> 00:47:26,880 Speaker 1: think even though we just signed a couple of big studs, 815 00:47:27,719 --> 00:47:30,839 Speaker 1: the verdict is still out on them. As far as 816 00:47:30,920 --> 00:47:36,520 Speaker 1: McCoy and the other young man that we just signed, Carolina, Yes, 817 00:47:36,719 --> 00:47:39,480 Speaker 1: and so when you look at those guys, I still 818 00:47:39,480 --> 00:47:42,359 Speaker 1: think that our nose guard tackle position needs to be 819 00:47:42,400 --> 00:47:45,600 Speaker 1: showed up because we got shredded last year. And then 820 00:47:45,600 --> 00:47:47,520 Speaker 1: when you look at the other position. You're looking at 821 00:47:47,560 --> 00:47:51,360 Speaker 1: the linebacker position. Yes, we've got a lot of linebackers, 822 00:47:51,520 --> 00:47:54,279 Speaker 1: got Sean Lee coming back. I understand that, but I 823 00:47:54,400 --> 00:48:01,080 Speaker 1: think we need that linebacker that can completely control the 824 00:48:01,120 --> 00:48:03,080 Speaker 1: middle of our defense, and I know we think we 825 00:48:03,200 --> 00:48:06,560 Speaker 1: have that right now. Van Dersh. I'm still very concerned 826 00:48:06,560 --> 00:48:10,440 Speaker 1: about him just his health period. Forget being a ball player, 827 00:48:10,680 --> 00:48:14,160 Speaker 1: but that surgery. You just worry about that whole neck 828 00:48:14,640 --> 00:48:18,000 Speaker 1: thing that he's going to deal with. So I think 829 00:48:18,040 --> 00:48:22,319 Speaker 1: a good linebacker that can close those creases that were 830 00:48:22,400 --> 00:48:24,600 Speaker 1: left last year when you look at the Vikings game 831 00:48:24,600 --> 00:48:28,480 Speaker 1: and pretty much every game after Thanksgiving to where we 832 00:48:28,560 --> 00:48:31,080 Speaker 1: just couldn't stop anybody. As far as the Rumber's concern, 833 00:48:31,400 --> 00:48:33,600 Speaker 1: and of course the free safety position, yes we have 834 00:48:33,680 --> 00:48:36,480 Speaker 1: Clinton Dix and I really want to talk to you 835 00:48:36,520 --> 00:48:39,200 Speaker 1: about that last week's bags about how this is an 836 00:48:39,200 --> 00:48:41,440 Speaker 1: important acquisition for us. You've got a guy with a 837 00:48:41,440 --> 00:48:44,319 Speaker 1: lot of experience back that they could play either deep 838 00:48:44,719 --> 00:48:46,320 Speaker 1: or I think he could even play up at the 839 00:48:46,360 --> 00:48:49,799 Speaker 1: strong safety position. So to have the luxury of him 840 00:48:49,840 --> 00:48:53,800 Speaker 1: being there is great. But also maybe happy to draft 841 00:48:54,680 --> 00:48:58,080 Speaker 1: a Dell Pit someone of that nature that is that 842 00:48:58,120 --> 00:49:01,120 Speaker 1: can control a ball game. From ten yards deep in 843 00:49:01,160 --> 00:49:04,440 Speaker 1: the secondary. So I'm looking down the middle of the field, 844 00:49:04,600 --> 00:49:09,520 Speaker 1: down the middle of our alignment, defensive tackle, inside linebacker, 845 00:49:10,040 --> 00:49:13,719 Speaker 1: as well as free safety. You sound like you sound 846 00:49:13,760 --> 00:49:16,040 Speaker 1: like a baseball manager. You've got to be strong up 847 00:49:16,080 --> 00:49:20,759 Speaker 1: the middle, right, So you know, if these so, if 848 00:49:20,800 --> 00:49:25,400 Speaker 1: these interviews that they're doing with the potential draft choices 849 00:49:25,520 --> 00:49:29,120 Speaker 1: mean anything. One of the guys that they interviewed over 850 00:49:29,160 --> 00:49:33,319 Speaker 1: the last week or so was ray Kwon Davis, the 851 00:49:33,600 --> 00:49:38,799 Speaker 1: defensive tackle from the University of Alabama, six six, three 852 00:49:38,880 --> 00:49:41,680 Speaker 1: hundred and eleven pounds and he's probably a three technique, 853 00:49:41,960 --> 00:49:47,040 Speaker 1: So Everson, they're obviously thinking that way too. His last 854 00:49:47,040 --> 00:49:50,880 Speaker 1: this past season wasn't as good as his previous two seasons, 855 00:49:51,480 --> 00:49:54,680 Speaker 1: but boy, he's a load in the middle. To me, Uh, 856 00:49:54,920 --> 00:49:58,960 Speaker 1: the position that scares me right now, I think I 857 00:49:59,000 --> 00:50:03,239 Speaker 1: can play at corner back. I probably need another guy, 858 00:50:03,400 --> 00:50:06,360 Speaker 1: But if I had to play tomorrow, I could start 859 00:50:06,480 --> 00:50:10,680 Speaker 1: Chitubey Oloosey, Anthony Brown and Jordan Lewis and those would 860 00:50:10,719 --> 00:50:13,399 Speaker 1: be my three guys, and I think I could get 861 00:50:13,440 --> 00:50:20,359 Speaker 1: by the position that scares me is the defensive end 862 00:50:20,440 --> 00:50:23,279 Speaker 1: spot on the right side, because I don't know that 863 00:50:23,320 --> 00:50:26,279 Speaker 1: they have somebody, you know, everybody will say, well, yeah, 864 00:50:26,360 --> 00:50:31,040 Speaker 1: they got Randy Gregory, they might have Alden Smith. Well 865 00:50:31,120 --> 00:50:34,000 Speaker 1: it's might on both of those guys. So if you 866 00:50:34,040 --> 00:50:41,399 Speaker 1: had to start tomorrow, who coming off with two hip surgeries? 867 00:50:41,840 --> 00:50:43,480 Speaker 1: How much are you going to get out of him? 868 00:50:43,560 --> 00:50:48,400 Speaker 1: Is he? On Twitter? He said he is, he is ready. 869 00:50:48,480 --> 00:50:53,920 Speaker 1: So if it must, and I agree with you, Mickey, 870 00:50:54,200 --> 00:50:57,479 Speaker 1: and that is the biggest need first and second down, 871 00:50:57,600 --> 00:51:00,560 Speaker 1: that's fine, But who's the pass rusher? Because after that, 872 00:51:00,640 --> 00:51:04,160 Speaker 1: and if you count the four guys that they have 873 00:51:04,880 --> 00:51:07,280 Speaker 1: that we're on the team last year that are still 874 00:51:07,320 --> 00:51:11,640 Speaker 1: there that potentially could play there, those four guys total 875 00:51:11,719 --> 00:51:14,759 Speaker 1: two sacks last year and one of them was Crawfords 876 00:51:14,760 --> 00:51:18,239 Speaker 1: and he only played I believe it was seven nine 877 00:51:18,280 --> 00:51:21,160 Speaker 1: games something like that before they finally said, yeah, he 878 00:51:21,560 --> 00:51:25,399 Speaker 1: probably needs surgery. So to me that that spot there 879 00:51:25,719 --> 00:51:28,279 Speaker 1: is vacant, I can get by with some of this 880 00:51:28,360 --> 00:51:31,640 Speaker 1: other stuff, and at safety I can get by with haha, 881 00:51:31,719 --> 00:51:34,440 Speaker 1: Clinton Dixon and you're right every since I think he 882 00:51:34,480 --> 00:51:37,759 Speaker 1: can play either one. And I'm not sure that they're 883 00:51:37,800 --> 00:51:44,440 Speaker 1: disappointed in what what Woods is DoD Xavier Woods is 884 00:51:44,480 --> 00:51:47,280 Speaker 1: doing it free safety. So maybe Dix plays in the slot, 885 00:51:47,560 --> 00:51:52,200 Speaker 1: I mean down low and as the strong safety, and 886 00:51:52,719 --> 00:51:56,640 Speaker 1: I could get by with that. But from the future, yeah, 887 00:51:56,680 --> 00:51:58,880 Speaker 1: they've got positions that they don't have a lot of 888 00:51:58,920 --> 00:52:02,040 Speaker 1: depth that that they're gonna need some help. And you 889 00:52:02,160 --> 00:52:05,319 Speaker 1: mentioned the defensive tackle, the nose tackle. You know, I'm 890 00:52:05,320 --> 00:52:09,000 Speaker 1: sure post contracts gonna it says two years by it. 891 00:52:09,080 --> 00:52:12,680 Speaker 1: Bet it's one year. If you look at Gerald McCoy's contract, 892 00:52:12,920 --> 00:52:15,000 Speaker 1: they can get out of it after one year for 893 00:52:15,120 --> 00:52:20,440 Speaker 1: not much dead money. Uh. But yeah, that defensive end spot. 894 00:52:21,320 --> 00:52:25,919 Speaker 1: I just can't hit sitting here to remember. I want 895 00:52:25,920 --> 00:52:28,319 Speaker 1: you guys to remember. I want you to remember these names. 896 00:52:28,320 --> 00:52:31,880 Speaker 1: I want to Cook. I want to remember Cook for Minnesota. Okay. 897 00:52:31,960 --> 00:52:34,160 Speaker 1: I want you I want you to remember anyone that 898 00:52:34,239 --> 00:52:37,520 Speaker 1: had the ball in their hands in Buffalo, Okay. I 899 00:52:37,640 --> 00:52:40,920 Speaker 1: want you to remember all of those games where we're like, 900 00:52:41,520 --> 00:52:45,040 Speaker 1: what the hell is going on? We can't stop anybody, 901 00:52:45,120 --> 00:52:48,080 Speaker 1: so forget passing the ball. I get it. It'd be 902 00:52:48,160 --> 00:52:50,680 Speaker 1: nice if we could force them into a third and all, 903 00:52:50,840 --> 00:52:54,360 Speaker 1: but we never could because we were always giving up 904 00:52:54,440 --> 00:52:58,480 Speaker 1: chunks of yardage on first and ten. So that's why 905 00:52:58,480 --> 00:53:00,680 Speaker 1: I agree with Mickey. You need someone need that pass 906 00:53:00,800 --> 00:53:03,719 Speaker 1: rush opposite of DeMarcus Lawrence, so that you're forcing them 907 00:53:03,760 --> 00:53:06,400 Speaker 1: to quickly throw the ball. And I agree with Mickey. 908 00:53:06,440 --> 00:53:08,279 Speaker 1: I think if the season where to start today, you 909 00:53:08,320 --> 00:53:11,520 Speaker 1: are confident enough and the starters that you would have 910 00:53:11,560 --> 00:53:14,360 Speaker 1: at Danny. Cowboys are still going to draft a handful 911 00:53:14,400 --> 00:53:17,240 Speaker 1: of defensive backs in this draft, because there's a pretty 912 00:53:17,280 --> 00:53:20,279 Speaker 1: good number of them, some really skilled players. But I 913 00:53:20,320 --> 00:53:23,040 Speaker 1: think right now the biggest need is filling that gap, 914 00:53:24,120 --> 00:53:26,560 Speaker 1: the unknown on the right side of that defensive line. 915 00:53:26,680 --> 00:53:31,279 Speaker 1: Well just remember, just remember, Danny. The dartboards behind me, 916 00:53:31,360 --> 00:53:35,200 Speaker 1: still right. So all these positions we took, we talked 917 00:53:35,200 --> 00:53:41,399 Speaker 1: about cornerback, safety, defensive tackle, defensive van, wide receiver. If 918 00:53:41,400 --> 00:53:44,000 Speaker 1: you threw it at the dartboard at the position, whatever 919 00:53:44,080 --> 00:53:46,960 Speaker 1: you hit, I don't think we could say they're wrong. 920 00:53:47,280 --> 00:53:50,400 Speaker 1: They can use that position. Maybe that'll be what we 921 00:53:50,480 --> 00:53:52,759 Speaker 1: do next week before the draft starts, will have all 922 00:53:52,800 --> 00:53:55,160 Speaker 1: the positions on the dartboard and Mickey will just throw 923 00:53:55,200 --> 00:53:57,799 Speaker 1: the darts and wherever they land, that's who the Cowboys pick. 924 00:53:57,800 --> 00:53:59,719 Speaker 1: I think that would make their job money. Yes, I 925 00:53:59,840 --> 00:54:02,400 Speaker 1: have no wonder. Let's have mixtand they're front of the 926 00:54:02,480 --> 00:54:07,879 Speaker 1: dot board. Oh my gosh, it'll give news, it'll give 927 00:54:08,120 --> 00:54:11,600 Speaker 1: it'll give new meeting to mix shots. Right Ah, there 928 00:54:11,680 --> 00:54:15,839 Speaker 1: you go, jallasbags. Nice. It is always so much fun 929 00:54:15,920 --> 00:54:17,759 Speaker 1: talking with you. I miss seeing you, but this is 930 00:54:17,800 --> 00:54:20,359 Speaker 1: a great second. We hope you guys have enjoyed mix 931 00:54:20,400 --> 00:54:22,520 Speaker 1: shots as much as we do hanging out and talking 932 00:54:22,520 --> 00:54:25,399 Speaker 1: Cowboys football. That'll be it for us today. But stay 933 00:54:25,440 --> 00:54:27,520 Speaker 1: tuned to Dallas Cowboys dot Com because coming up at 934 00:54:27,520 --> 00:54:30,520 Speaker 1: eleven the Draft show. With one week away, there are 935 00:54:30,560 --> 00:54:32,480 Speaker 1: so much still that they have to talk about it, 936 00:54:32,480 --> 00:54:35,520 Speaker 1: and it'll get you ready for all the different possibilities 937 00:54:35,520 --> 00:54:38,720 Speaker 1: the Cowboys could be making in just seven short days. 938 00:54:39,080 --> 00:54:42,319 Speaker 1: For Mickey Spagnolan, Everson Walls, I'm Danny Serek. Thank you 939 00:54:42,360 --> 00:54:45,040 Speaker 1: for watching mix Shots. We'll see you next time. See 940 00:54:45,040 --> 00:54:48,880 Speaker 1: you guys. This has been a production of Dallas Cowboys 941 00:54:48,920 --> 00:54:51,560 Speaker 1: dot Com and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club.