1 00:00:02,800 --> 00:00:05,400 Speaker 1: Beyond the Beauty is a production of I Heart Radio. 2 00:00:05,920 --> 00:00:14,720 Speaker 1: I'm your host, Bobby Brown. I had no idea what 3 00:00:15,000 --> 00:00:17,720 Speaker 1: was being a mom. You know. I had these like 4 00:00:17,960 --> 00:00:20,759 Speaker 1: visions of, you know, being this woman that kind of 5 00:00:20,760 --> 00:00:23,919 Speaker 1: walks down the street in her tight little jeans with 6 00:00:23,960 --> 00:00:27,560 Speaker 1: her with a blowout and looking, you know, all amazing 7 00:00:27,600 --> 00:00:30,080 Speaker 1: with your baby in the carriage. And that was not me. 8 00:00:31,040 --> 00:00:33,600 Speaker 1: That was not me. I you know, days where I 9 00:00:33,680 --> 00:00:35,839 Speaker 1: was got to be home because I was able to 10 00:00:35,880 --> 00:00:39,040 Speaker 1: work at home a couple of days a week. I 11 00:00:39,120 --> 00:00:41,680 Speaker 1: never had a blowout. I didn't look all put together, 12 00:00:42,280 --> 00:00:45,360 Speaker 1: but I really wanted to make sure that I went 13 00:00:45,440 --> 00:00:47,920 Speaker 1: to the park with the kids. But I'll be honest, 14 00:00:48,040 --> 00:00:50,360 Speaker 1: I was probably on the phone doing an interview with 15 00:00:50,400 --> 00:00:52,440 Speaker 1: an editor while all my kids were at the park. 16 00:00:53,040 --> 00:00:55,280 Speaker 1: When I was in the frozen food department, I was 17 00:00:55,320 --> 00:00:58,520 Speaker 1: probably on the phone with an overseas editor doing the 18 00:00:58,560 --> 00:01:01,680 Speaker 1: same thing. So I somehow managed to do a lot 19 00:01:01,720 --> 00:01:05,000 Speaker 1: of things at once. I didn't freak about it, you know. 20 00:01:05,040 --> 00:01:06,840 Speaker 1: If I ever did freak, I had my husband to 21 00:01:06,920 --> 00:01:10,319 Speaker 1: kind of say, you're okay. But I think that one 22 00:01:10,319 --> 00:01:13,160 Speaker 1: of the great things that women have over over men 23 00:01:13,840 --> 00:01:16,080 Speaker 1: is women have figured out how to do a lot 24 00:01:16,080 --> 00:01:19,400 Speaker 1: of things at once. We are, you know, a very 25 00:01:19,440 --> 00:01:24,080 Speaker 1: different breed. I even watch my brilliant children and handsome husband, 26 00:01:24,520 --> 00:01:27,200 Speaker 1: who are all males, one thing at a time, and 27 00:01:27,240 --> 00:01:30,240 Speaker 1: they're focused. I can do fifteen things at a time. 28 00:01:30,560 --> 00:01:35,440 Speaker 1: I am shocked that I have these three amazing adult children, 29 00:01:36,319 --> 00:01:40,560 Speaker 1: and you know, I'm amazed at their accomplishments. They're so different. 30 00:01:40,959 --> 00:01:43,560 Speaker 1: They all have a different part of me. And really 31 00:01:43,560 --> 00:01:48,640 Speaker 1: my best moments. We celebrate all of our birthdays, Mother's Day, 32 00:01:48,640 --> 00:01:52,240 Speaker 1: Father's Day. I'll never forget when I was flying to 33 00:01:52,520 --> 00:01:56,520 Speaker 1: California for my son's graduation he graduated from Stanford. I 34 00:01:56,600 --> 00:02:00,520 Speaker 1: call my dad, Dad, I'm flying first class to my 35 00:02:00,640 --> 00:02:03,640 Speaker 1: son's graduation at Stanford. Like if you would have told 36 00:02:03,640 --> 00:02:04,920 Speaker 1: me that when I was a kid, I wouldn't have 37 00:02:04,960 --> 00:02:08,480 Speaker 1: believed it. So my kids know me more than anyone, 38 00:02:08,960 --> 00:02:12,920 Speaker 1: and they do not take things I do, you know, 39 00:02:13,760 --> 00:02:19,040 Speaker 1: uh easily, and they are judgmental of me. You know, 40 00:02:19,120 --> 00:02:21,480 Speaker 1: they're the first ones to say, Mom, are you a 41 00:02:21,480 --> 00:02:25,640 Speaker 1: little full of yourself? Mom? This? Mom? This? When we 42 00:02:25,680 --> 00:02:28,200 Speaker 1: get together and we're all, you know, having some wine 43 00:02:28,280 --> 00:02:31,760 Speaker 1: or cocktails, they love laughing at me, and you know, 44 00:02:32,000 --> 00:02:35,520 Speaker 1: it's it's kind of sport. I'm the only girl. I 45 00:02:35,560 --> 00:02:37,720 Speaker 1: wanted to talk to my kids on the podcast because 46 00:02:37,720 --> 00:02:41,480 Speaker 1: I thought they might have like a little bit behind 47 00:02:41,480 --> 00:02:45,400 Speaker 1: the scenes look into you know, who I am as 48 00:02:45,440 --> 00:02:48,360 Speaker 1: a mom, what it was like. And it's you know, 49 00:02:48,440 --> 00:02:51,720 Speaker 1: it's not a conversation you usually have now, it's like 50 00:02:51,760 --> 00:02:54,440 Speaker 1: how is your day? What's going on? You know, when 51 00:02:54,520 --> 00:02:56,239 Speaker 1: you leave in town? What what am I going to 52 00:02:56,320 --> 00:02:59,440 Speaker 1: see you? When you to clean your room? But so 53 00:02:59,560 --> 00:03:02,240 Speaker 1: it's kind of interesting and nice when you just kind 54 00:03:02,240 --> 00:03:05,400 Speaker 1: of stop and ask these questions. And the boys are 55 00:03:05,400 --> 00:03:11,200 Speaker 1: all really different, and I honestly, I cannot explain that 56 00:03:11,280 --> 00:03:13,520 Speaker 1: there is not one favorite, Like they are all my 57 00:03:13,600 --> 00:03:17,280 Speaker 1: favorites in different ways, and they just, you know, they 58 00:03:17,360 --> 00:03:25,440 Speaker 1: just make my heart so happy. My oldest Dylan was born, 59 00:03:26,720 --> 00:03:31,840 Speaker 1: uh when I was really starting my business and still 60 00:03:31,880 --> 00:03:34,360 Speaker 1: a working makeup artist. I have pictures of him as 61 00:03:34,400 --> 00:03:38,440 Speaker 1: a baby being held at one week old from models 62 00:03:38,560 --> 00:03:41,880 Speaker 1: because I brought him to a fashion show a week 63 00:03:41,920 --> 00:03:44,360 Speaker 1: old baby. I don't know what I was thinking, but 64 00:03:44,520 --> 00:03:48,960 Speaker 1: my oldest son has always amazed me. I never had 65 00:03:48,960 --> 00:03:52,120 Speaker 1: to say, Dylan, do your homework, Dylan, did you do 66 00:03:52,200 --> 00:03:55,280 Speaker 1: your studying? For Hebrew School. Literally, he woke up the 67 00:03:55,320 --> 00:03:57,880 Speaker 1: day of his bar Mitzvah, put a suit on and 68 00:03:57,880 --> 00:04:00,720 Speaker 1: stood up there like he was a rabbi. He knew 69 00:04:00,760 --> 00:04:03,280 Speaker 1: exactly what to do. Dylan knew where he wanted to 70 00:04:03,320 --> 00:04:06,680 Speaker 1: go to college. He applied to Stanford. He got into Stanford. 71 00:04:07,320 --> 00:04:10,080 Speaker 1: Out of all of my kids, probably the least outwardly 72 00:04:10,840 --> 00:04:17,080 Speaker 1: showing emotion, but brilliant, kind, caring and nice and just 73 00:04:17,200 --> 00:04:23,320 Speaker 1: a good boy. If you think about me as a 74 00:04:23,360 --> 00:04:27,880 Speaker 1: mom when you were a little kid, what do you remember, Um, 75 00:04:27,920 --> 00:04:31,600 Speaker 1: I will say every time I eat, I sit down 76 00:04:31,640 --> 00:04:34,440 Speaker 1: for a meal, there must be protein on my plate 77 00:04:34,640 --> 00:04:37,479 Speaker 1: and vegetables. Um. It's really frustrating. It's the first thing 78 00:04:37,560 --> 00:04:40,520 Speaker 1: I immediately think of, Um, you as a mother. The 79 00:04:40,600 --> 00:04:43,000 Speaker 1: same reason anytime I get in a car, immediately I 80 00:04:43,040 --> 00:04:45,840 Speaker 1: put on a seatbelt. Um. There's very few things that 81 00:04:45,920 --> 00:04:48,159 Speaker 1: you know prevent me from doing that, because you nagged 82 00:04:48,200 --> 00:04:49,920 Speaker 1: me so many times and it was very annoying as 83 00:04:49,920 --> 00:04:52,120 Speaker 1: a child. So what's the coolest thing about having me 84 00:04:52,160 --> 00:04:55,720 Speaker 1: as a mom. There's often a lot of surprises. Um, 85 00:04:55,760 --> 00:04:57,760 Speaker 1: you know that you'll be able to bring in whether 86 00:04:57,839 --> 00:04:59,560 Speaker 1: it's you know, I was at work one day and 87 00:04:59,560 --> 00:05:01,720 Speaker 1: I'm getting a phone call from your phone and you 88 00:05:01,800 --> 00:05:03,720 Speaker 1: knew I was in the meeting, and I thought it 89 00:05:03,800 --> 00:05:05,880 Speaker 1: must be important, so I answered, UM, And it was 90 00:05:05,880 --> 00:05:08,240 Speaker 1: actually Melia Clark on the phone, and it was you know, 91 00:05:08,279 --> 00:05:09,920 Speaker 1: after season one a Game of Thrones, and I was 92 00:05:09,960 --> 00:05:12,400 Speaker 1: a big fan. I've read the books, UM, And I answered. 93 00:05:12,400 --> 00:05:15,520 Speaker 1: I was like, this isn't my mother? Who was this? UM? 94 00:05:15,560 --> 00:05:16,919 Speaker 1: And I was in the middle of a meeting, and 95 00:05:16,920 --> 00:05:19,760 Speaker 1: I was like, oh, hi, thank you for calling UM. 96 00:05:19,960 --> 00:05:22,440 Speaker 1: Can I call you back? I wish it probably went 97 00:05:22,480 --> 00:05:24,200 Speaker 1: to voicemail and staid so I could have saved it, 98 00:05:24,240 --> 00:05:27,719 Speaker 1: but you know, still nice surprises along the way. Was 99 00:05:27,760 --> 00:05:31,800 Speaker 1: I like other moms? Like I think you were like 100 00:05:31,839 --> 00:05:34,039 Speaker 1: other moms? You know, I do remember, you know, whether 101 00:05:34,080 --> 00:05:36,480 Speaker 1: it was like kinder kickers, you know, soccer When I 102 00:05:36,520 --> 00:05:39,719 Speaker 1: was five or six years old, you bringing orange slices 103 00:05:39,760 --> 00:05:42,360 Speaker 1: and other things to games. I do remember, Um, given 104 00:05:42,360 --> 00:05:44,440 Speaker 1: that you've always been health conscious, we often got fruit 105 00:05:44,520 --> 00:05:46,400 Speaker 1: roll ups and other types of things from other moms 106 00:05:46,400 --> 00:05:49,599 Speaker 1: and capri sons, and whenever it was your turn to 107 00:05:49,640 --> 00:05:51,880 Speaker 1: actually bring snacks to the soccer games, we always ended 108 00:05:51,960 --> 00:05:54,240 Speaker 1: up with orange slices and water. I was voted the 109 00:05:54,279 --> 00:05:58,000 Speaker 1: worst snack mom and I took that happily. Yeah, but 110 00:05:58,080 --> 00:06:00,720 Speaker 1: now you're a health guy. You're a foodie. I'm a 111 00:06:00,760 --> 00:06:04,000 Speaker 1: food I'm a health guy. Well, you don't like junk food. 112 00:06:04,120 --> 00:06:08,320 Speaker 1: I don't see eating process bad food. Food that you 113 00:06:08,360 --> 00:06:11,040 Speaker 1: know has some meaning behind it and behind it. And 114 00:06:11,120 --> 00:06:15,400 Speaker 1: you're definitely the most sophisticated out of all the children. 115 00:06:19,279 --> 00:06:24,240 Speaker 1: Cody a k a. Dakota is Bam Bam, just this rough, 116 00:06:24,360 --> 00:06:28,080 Speaker 1: tumble kid who had white hair. He was My two 117 00:06:28,080 --> 00:06:31,200 Speaker 1: oldest were towheads. It was very strange, but Cody had 118 00:06:31,240 --> 00:06:34,760 Speaker 1: white hair sticking up. He always went to the beat 119 00:06:34,800 --> 00:06:39,160 Speaker 1: of his own drummer. He was this really intensely physical 120 00:06:39,240 --> 00:06:41,640 Speaker 1: kid that we called him Bam Bam because he used 121 00:06:41,680 --> 00:06:44,960 Speaker 1: to hit this plastic bat and ball and you know, 122 00:06:45,040 --> 00:06:49,000 Speaker 1: amazed people in the parks. He was not easy for him. 123 00:06:49,080 --> 00:06:52,240 Speaker 1: He had Dylan as an older brother who was Mr. Perfect. 124 00:06:52,800 --> 00:06:56,960 Speaker 1: Cody was trying to figure out where he fit. And 125 00:06:57,040 --> 00:07:01,440 Speaker 1: Cody has absolutely grown in an excelled into the most 126 00:07:01,520 --> 00:07:06,640 Speaker 1: extraordinary human being. Not just son, but boy. Cody is 127 00:07:06,680 --> 00:07:10,040 Speaker 1: the most amazing strength and conditioning coach. He's also this 128 00:07:10,160 --> 00:07:14,440 Speaker 1: incredible entrepreneur who has his own business with his girlfriend. 129 00:07:14,920 --> 00:07:18,560 Speaker 1: He's a digital marketing genius. He he has literally gone 130 00:07:18,560 --> 00:07:23,360 Speaker 1: to schools and learned all this master programs. I mean, 131 00:07:23,520 --> 00:07:26,160 Speaker 1: I'm so proud of him of who he's become. And 132 00:07:26,200 --> 00:07:29,200 Speaker 1: now he's like a health and wellness nut, which I 133 00:07:29,280 --> 00:07:34,760 Speaker 1: cannot believe. So you know, he really is amazing and 134 00:07:34,800 --> 00:07:39,880 Speaker 1: we share our love for fitness and wellness. Hey, co, 135 00:07:41,720 --> 00:07:46,280 Speaker 1: how you doing? Are good? I don't know when I 136 00:07:46,280 --> 00:07:51,680 Speaker 1: started calling you co? Yeah? I mean yeah, so I 137 00:07:51,720 --> 00:07:54,360 Speaker 1: start calling yeah? I know. Do you believe my kids 138 00:07:54,360 --> 00:07:57,720 Speaker 1: call me Bobby? It drives me crazy. I don't even 139 00:07:57,720 --> 00:08:00,760 Speaker 1: know when that happened, And I'm sorry. I didn't put 140 00:08:00,760 --> 00:08:05,680 Speaker 1: my foot down and don't definitely started out. So you 141 00:08:05,720 --> 00:08:13,360 Speaker 1: were born with the name Dakota Truman Mackenzie Plotcar. What's 142 00:08:13,400 --> 00:08:19,400 Speaker 1: wrong with that name? I think it was probably first 143 00:08:19,400 --> 00:08:21,080 Speaker 1: of all, you know, when I was a kid, all 144 00:08:21,120 --> 00:08:23,520 Speaker 1: I wanted to be was like normal, and our name 145 00:08:23,640 --> 00:08:27,840 Speaker 1: sounded super. I don't know, yeah, but I think it 146 00:08:27,960 --> 00:08:30,040 Speaker 1: was also because the Coda fanning I was getting made 147 00:08:30,040 --> 00:08:34,080 Speaker 1: fun of because of that. I I love your name, 148 00:08:34,280 --> 00:08:38,280 Speaker 1: Dakota Truman Mackenzie. I didn't know any dies that were 149 00:08:38,320 --> 00:08:41,320 Speaker 1: in Dakota as the only girl. Right. Yeah, sounded like 150 00:08:42,600 --> 00:08:44,400 Speaker 1: more of a girlier name than I guess I wanted. 151 00:08:44,800 --> 00:08:47,199 Speaker 1: There was nothing girly about you. From an early age, 152 00:08:47,679 --> 00:08:51,320 Speaker 1: you had a nickname Bam Bam. That's why I always 153 00:08:51,320 --> 00:08:53,880 Speaker 1: thought Cody was a better fit. How do you describe 154 00:08:53,880 --> 00:08:56,720 Speaker 1: our life growing up in the house. I thought it 155 00:08:56,760 --> 00:08:59,040 Speaker 1: was pretty normal at the time. Looking back, it's probably 156 00:08:59,040 --> 00:09:02,559 Speaker 1: not as normal as most people's childhood, but to me, 157 00:09:02,640 --> 00:09:06,480 Speaker 1: it just felt normal. You were doing what you were 158 00:09:06,480 --> 00:09:08,760 Speaker 1: doing during the day. I assume that everyone just went, 159 00:09:08,920 --> 00:09:12,600 Speaker 1: you know, to work and and did crazy things like that. 160 00:09:12,880 --> 00:09:17,120 Speaker 1: You're pretty much always around, and you know, even I 161 00:09:17,160 --> 00:09:18,959 Speaker 1: think when you when you were like, I didn't know 162 00:09:19,760 --> 00:09:21,400 Speaker 1: at all what you're doing, because when you're a kid, 163 00:09:21,480 --> 00:09:23,959 Speaker 1: you don't think about that You're not Bobby Brown, You're 164 00:09:24,040 --> 00:09:28,480 Speaker 1: just mom. And when did you kind of realize that 165 00:09:28,520 --> 00:09:32,400 Speaker 1: your mother had a name that was well known. Probably 166 00:09:32,440 --> 00:09:35,240 Speaker 1: when we went I don't know, I don't know specific times, 167 00:09:35,280 --> 00:09:38,160 Speaker 1: but like more like looking back on it, like when 168 00:09:38,160 --> 00:09:40,760 Speaker 1: we went to like remember you run with the Today 169 00:09:40,800 --> 00:09:46,800 Speaker 1: Show or something? We went to J. K. Rowling's hotel room. Yes, yes, yes, 170 00:09:47,040 --> 00:09:51,240 Speaker 1: I have been known to uh, you know, go out 171 00:09:51,280 --> 00:09:53,720 Speaker 1: on a limb to try to give you guys some 172 00:09:53,800 --> 00:09:57,840 Speaker 1: really cool experiences. And when J. K. Rowlings was Glamor 173 00:09:57,960 --> 00:10:00,640 Speaker 1: Woman of the Year, I reached out to her team 174 00:10:00,760 --> 00:10:04,040 Speaker 1: to say Bobby would love to do their makeup, and 175 00:10:04,160 --> 00:10:05,840 Speaker 1: she said that would be great, and then I said, 176 00:10:05,880 --> 00:10:08,480 Speaker 1: Bobby would love to bring her three boys and two 177 00:10:08,520 --> 00:10:18,559 Speaker 1: nephews and we did somehow. Duke the baby, he is Duke. 178 00:10:18,920 --> 00:10:24,679 Speaker 1: Everybody says they want to come back as Duke Duke. Literally, um, 179 00:10:24,720 --> 00:10:28,439 Speaker 1: it's the most interesting child. He has traveled the globe 180 00:10:29,160 --> 00:10:32,080 Speaker 1: with and by himself. If he looked at his passport, 181 00:10:32,480 --> 00:10:35,960 Speaker 1: you wouldn't believe that this kid just turned one. He 182 00:10:36,080 --> 00:10:40,880 Speaker 1: spent summers in Argentina skiing a couple of times, and 183 00:10:40,880 --> 00:10:42,720 Speaker 1: I'll never forget as a little kid, we were on 184 00:10:42,760 --> 00:10:45,400 Speaker 1: a plane coming home from Paris. We are so tired, 185 00:10:45,480 --> 00:10:49,040 Speaker 1: and Duke was barely walking. He said he wanted orange 186 00:10:49,080 --> 00:10:51,800 Speaker 1: juice or apple juice, and we're like, Duke, go ask 187 00:10:51,880 --> 00:10:53,760 Speaker 1: the lady. He gets out of his chair and he 188 00:10:53,800 --> 00:10:58,559 Speaker 1: walks down this you know, big like hallway and says 189 00:10:58,600 --> 00:11:01,480 Speaker 1: to the stewardess, can I have like? And we looked 190 00:11:01,480 --> 00:11:04,679 Speaker 1: at each other. He's been independent since the day he 191 00:11:04,760 --> 00:11:10,400 Speaker 1: was born. Hello, Hey, Duke, Hello, this is uh, this 192 00:11:10,480 --> 00:11:16,240 Speaker 1: is Bobby from my Heart Radio. How you doing? Am 193 00:11:16,240 --> 00:11:22,840 Speaker 1: I going to see this weekend? Maybe? Maybe? Okay? Okay, good? Yeah, 194 00:11:22,840 --> 00:11:27,480 Speaker 1: we don't have to record that. My name Dukes. There's 195 00:11:27,520 --> 00:11:30,760 Speaker 1: a couple names you left out. What is your What 196 00:11:30,880 --> 00:11:34,000 Speaker 1: is the name on your birth certificate? My official name 197 00:11:34,160 --> 00:11:39,840 Speaker 1: is Duke Washington. You are wrong. That is not your name. 198 00:11:40,400 --> 00:11:47,079 Speaker 1: It's Duke Washington Samuel Plotker because your brothers would not 199 00:11:47,200 --> 00:11:50,760 Speaker 1: leave my hospital room until I wrote on the birth 200 00:11:50,760 --> 00:11:55,880 Speaker 1: certificate Duke Washington Samuel plot So they can call you 201 00:11:56,040 --> 00:11:59,240 Speaker 1: d W from Arthur. They never called you d W. 202 00:12:00,000 --> 00:12:03,880 Speaker 1: I bet none of your friends do either. As youngest 203 00:12:04,000 --> 00:12:06,840 Speaker 1: is always fun. I always had two older brothers that 204 00:12:06,880 --> 00:12:10,520 Speaker 1: were always ganging up on me because you were sitting. 205 00:12:10,679 --> 00:12:13,360 Speaker 1: They were six and eight when you were born. Yeah, 206 00:12:14,440 --> 00:12:19,199 Speaker 1: eight years older than me. Luckily, I had two guys 207 00:12:19,840 --> 00:12:23,920 Speaker 1: who helped me mature very fast. And I grew up 208 00:12:23,960 --> 00:12:27,720 Speaker 1: with this mom who helped me do very creating things 209 00:12:27,760 --> 00:12:31,640 Speaker 1: in my free time. UM. Some of my early memories, 210 00:12:33,000 --> 00:12:37,640 Speaker 1: I definitely remember playing with cosmetics in my mom's office. UM, 211 00:12:37,760 --> 00:12:41,400 Speaker 1: and I remember playing outside with my brothers after being 212 00:12:41,440 --> 00:12:47,200 Speaker 1: in the baseball back then, and you remember playing with makeup, Yeah, 213 00:12:47,400 --> 00:12:50,240 Speaker 1: you had a desk. I think it was really cool 214 00:12:51,280 --> 00:12:55,240 Speaker 1: being able to go to school and in the afternoons 215 00:12:55,800 --> 00:12:58,719 Speaker 1: always kind of have some activity that I didn't realize 216 00:12:59,360 --> 00:13:02,400 Speaker 1: um what it was, but being a part of a 217 00:13:02,559 --> 00:13:06,360 Speaker 1: mature audience at a young age was really special. Either 218 00:13:06,440 --> 00:13:10,600 Speaker 1: between going and seeing my mom um at dress for 219 00:13:10,679 --> 00:13:14,160 Speaker 1: success event there um getting to meet some of the 220 00:13:14,160 --> 00:13:16,080 Speaker 1: people that I looked up to or that my mom 221 00:13:16,120 --> 00:13:18,880 Speaker 1: looked up to was always really special when I was 222 00:13:18,920 --> 00:13:21,360 Speaker 1: a kid, and I think it was always really cool 223 00:13:21,480 --> 00:13:25,360 Speaker 1: watching my mom on the Today Show. I didn't always 224 00:13:25,360 --> 00:13:28,240 Speaker 1: realize it, but I used to kind of have breakfast 225 00:13:28,800 --> 00:13:30,400 Speaker 1: and do my own thing. And I was a kid, 226 00:13:30,480 --> 00:13:32,160 Speaker 1: and I'd be able to watch my mom on TV 227 00:13:32,720 --> 00:13:34,880 Speaker 1: and some days and I was really lucky I got 228 00:13:34,920 --> 00:13:37,480 Speaker 1: to go with her in physic and I think that 229 00:13:37,600 --> 00:13:39,720 Speaker 1: was like a really special moment for me as a kid. 230 00:13:40,240 --> 00:13:44,160 Speaker 1: I didn't realize how cool that was and how cool 231 00:13:44,240 --> 00:13:48,040 Speaker 1: my mom was for for doing it. And then then 232 00:13:48,280 --> 00:13:53,199 Speaker 1: on the other hand, there was always the altercations and 233 00:13:53,800 --> 00:13:58,040 Speaker 1: the moments going to sporting events and hanging out with 234 00:13:58,160 --> 00:14:00,520 Speaker 1: friends where my mom was always there for us. She 235 00:14:00,679 --> 00:14:04,000 Speaker 1: was always there to sleep over, cooking dinner for me 236 00:14:04,040 --> 00:14:06,120 Speaker 1: and my friends, and making sure we were having fun. 237 00:14:09,600 --> 00:14:11,920 Speaker 1: I don't think I was a strict mom. I was 238 00:14:11,960 --> 00:14:15,920 Speaker 1: strict about certain things. There was absolutely you needed to 239 00:14:15,920 --> 00:14:19,400 Speaker 1: wear a seatbelt, not even a chance you had to 240 00:14:19,440 --> 00:14:22,120 Speaker 1: hold my hand in the parking lot. But I think 241 00:14:22,280 --> 00:14:27,320 Speaker 1: I allowed the kids to really kind of be who 242 00:14:27,360 --> 00:14:30,720 Speaker 1: they were. And times where they were like freaking out 243 00:14:30,880 --> 00:14:34,800 Speaker 1: and misbehaving, I almost I think I pushed back a 244 00:14:34,840 --> 00:14:38,960 Speaker 1: bit and I would try to change the whole atmosphere 245 00:14:38,960 --> 00:14:41,680 Speaker 1: instead of like getting mad at them and yelling at them. 246 00:14:41,720 --> 00:14:44,560 Speaker 1: You know, yeah, I was not a yeller. But I 247 00:14:44,600 --> 00:14:48,680 Speaker 1: also if they didn't want to do something, I sometimes 248 00:14:48,680 --> 00:14:51,080 Speaker 1: did it. And so you know what, So I was 249 00:14:51,320 --> 00:14:53,880 Speaker 1: always the one that brought out the garbage and put 250 00:14:53,920 --> 00:14:57,080 Speaker 1: the dishes away. I did not raise the boys to 251 00:14:57,720 --> 00:15:01,480 Speaker 1: do those kind of tasks. Their girlfriends have reminded me 252 00:15:01,600 --> 00:15:13,080 Speaker 1: over and over. So, But was I like other moms 253 00:15:14,800 --> 00:15:17,120 Speaker 1: or did I always seem different any other mom? So 254 00:15:17,160 --> 00:15:21,640 Speaker 1: I didn't really? Are you to your friend's mind, good, 255 00:15:21,680 --> 00:15:26,240 Speaker 1: I'm glad. No. But what was I like as a mom? 256 00:15:28,160 --> 00:15:31,400 Speaker 1: Oh my god, you want to be honest. Yes, I'm 257 00:15:31,440 --> 00:15:37,680 Speaker 1: just kidding. You were terrific. Okay, great, You're slightly over protective, 258 00:15:38,720 --> 00:15:44,840 Speaker 1: always always worried about us, help freak. I didn't have 259 00:15:44,880 --> 00:15:48,560 Speaker 1: any sugar cleanion house except with one of our babysitters 260 00:15:48,560 --> 00:15:53,240 Speaker 1: bought it for us and we had hide it. Okay, 261 00:15:53,440 --> 00:16:00,480 Speaker 1: keep going. Um, you were the nice one at the 262 00:16:00,600 --> 00:16:04,320 Speaker 1: nice one of of the two parents. See, I don't agree. 263 00:16:04,400 --> 00:16:07,240 Speaker 1: I think dad, but I think Dad was the one 264 00:16:07,240 --> 00:16:09,200 Speaker 1: that always was like, let's have fun, and I was 265 00:16:09,200 --> 00:16:11,680 Speaker 1: always the one that said we gotta go to the dentist, 266 00:16:11,680 --> 00:16:14,240 Speaker 1: you gotta get your nails cut. I think he was like, 267 00:16:14,320 --> 00:16:19,440 Speaker 1: let's go get ice cream. So yeah, I mean, I look, 268 00:16:19,480 --> 00:16:23,880 Speaker 1: I guess I've always been a pushover. Yeah. You anytime 269 00:16:23,920 --> 00:16:26,120 Speaker 1: you like gave us that you put us some time out, 270 00:16:26,200 --> 00:16:28,720 Speaker 1: we could just like talk our lay out, just say 271 00:16:28,760 --> 00:16:31,320 Speaker 1: we're sorry, like you would never hold this to it. 272 00:16:31,360 --> 00:16:33,960 Speaker 1: So you definitely were not like you know you guys 273 00:16:33,960 --> 00:16:36,760 Speaker 1: were very strict and or like punishing at all. Even 274 00:16:36,800 --> 00:16:38,680 Speaker 1: if we did something bad, well maybe you didn't do 275 00:16:38,720 --> 00:16:42,480 Speaker 1: it a lot of bad things, No, probably did. We 276 00:16:42,480 --> 00:16:45,080 Speaker 1: We thought there's a one one time we were a 277 00:16:45,120 --> 00:16:47,800 Speaker 1: little bit older by then, but your your method for 278 00:16:47,840 --> 00:16:51,800 Speaker 1: breaking up fights was really well, you and your brother 279 00:16:51,920 --> 00:16:54,520 Speaker 1: were about to kill each other. And I was really 280 00:16:54,560 --> 00:16:59,320 Speaker 1: worried because Dylan has your older brother the most intense determination, 281 00:17:00,040 --> 00:17:04,479 Speaker 1: and you have the most intense strength and power. So 282 00:17:04,520 --> 00:17:08,200 Speaker 1: the combination together, I was scared. So what I screamed? 283 00:17:08,320 --> 00:17:11,840 Speaker 1: Nothing happened. So what did I do? You threw water 284 00:17:11,960 --> 00:17:14,280 Speaker 1: on both of that? And what was wrong with that? 285 00:17:14,560 --> 00:17:17,919 Speaker 1: What else was I supposed to do? I don't know. 286 00:17:17,960 --> 00:17:20,040 Speaker 1: I just I just remember I was no longer mad 287 00:17:20,080 --> 00:17:23,520 Speaker 1: at him mad well, so it worked. So that's a 288 00:17:23,520 --> 00:17:25,680 Speaker 1: good parenting. You know. I don't know why I thought 289 00:17:25,680 --> 00:17:31,159 Speaker 1: it was milk, but it was water. Okay. It was 290 00:17:31,200 --> 00:17:33,679 Speaker 1: a household full of boys. You know, we're always in 291 00:17:33,680 --> 00:17:36,080 Speaker 1: the basement bouncing off the walls, whether it was fighting 292 00:17:36,119 --> 00:17:37,879 Speaker 1: with each other, whether it was playing sports, whether it 293 00:17:37,920 --> 00:17:40,159 Speaker 1: was having friends over. Um. And we were always the 294 00:17:40,160 --> 00:17:43,120 Speaker 1: household that everyone came to and sat in the basement 295 00:17:43,240 --> 00:17:46,240 Speaker 1: and you know, put on hockey pads and hit things 296 00:17:46,240 --> 00:17:48,760 Speaker 1: at each other. Um. You know, it's nice to have 297 00:17:48,800 --> 00:17:51,040 Speaker 1: a concrete basement and be able to um, you know, 298 00:17:51,080 --> 00:17:53,400 Speaker 1: get bullied a bit. Um. Whether we had a wrestling 299 00:17:53,440 --> 00:17:56,640 Speaker 1: ring or something. Um, you never had a wrestling ring. 300 00:17:56,720 --> 00:18:01,320 Speaker 1: Nothing you knew about? Okay, good? We had a punching bag. 301 00:18:01,400 --> 00:18:04,520 Speaker 1: We still we had we had there was Dad's idea, 302 00:18:04,600 --> 00:18:07,239 Speaker 1: by the way, boxing gloves and a wrestling ring. And 303 00:18:07,280 --> 00:18:10,960 Speaker 1: you know I might have run a you know, undercover 304 00:18:11,160 --> 00:18:13,920 Speaker 1: you know, betting operation when I was nine years old. 305 00:18:13,920 --> 00:18:17,280 Speaker 1: Anything did you know could have happened? Well, Cody, when 306 00:18:17,320 --> 00:18:18,919 Speaker 1: he called in, he told the story of when I 307 00:18:18,960 --> 00:18:21,840 Speaker 1: threw water on you guys. It wasn't water, It was crimebridges. 308 00:18:22,000 --> 00:18:24,880 Speaker 1: Ah see, I thought it was I remember, I thought 309 00:18:26,160 --> 00:18:28,919 Speaker 1: wrestling on the floor. Um. And you know this was 310 00:18:28,960 --> 00:18:31,639 Speaker 1: probably in our teenage years. I was probably like fifteen, 311 00:18:31,680 --> 00:18:33,760 Speaker 1: he was thirteen, and you were going to kill each other. 312 00:18:33,800 --> 00:18:37,119 Speaker 1: We were big enough to actually do real harm, um. 313 00:18:37,160 --> 00:18:39,560 Speaker 1: And it was probably you know, the last big fight 314 00:18:39,600 --> 00:18:42,800 Speaker 1: we had. Um. We were It was a pretty bad fight. Um. 315 00:18:42,880 --> 00:18:45,159 Speaker 1: And your first reaction was to take whatever it was 316 00:18:45,200 --> 00:18:46,600 Speaker 1: in your hand or what was on the table and 317 00:18:46,640 --> 00:18:49,199 Speaker 1: throw it at us, which I remember was definitely some 318 00:18:49,280 --> 00:18:52,200 Speaker 1: type of juice because I was sticky all over after. 319 00:18:52,280 --> 00:18:56,560 Speaker 1: I remember that. There's nothing that turns to you know, 320 00:18:56,680 --> 00:18:59,920 Speaker 1: teenage boys from going completely at each other to being 321 00:19:00,000 --> 00:19:03,440 Speaker 1: completely aligned, like being angry at their mother. Um, so 322 00:19:03,680 --> 00:19:07,000 Speaker 1: since we stopped fighting and just started freaking out and 323 00:19:07,080 --> 00:19:09,960 Speaker 1: yelling at you, How could you do that? You're an idiot? Why? 324 00:19:10,080 --> 00:19:13,040 Speaker 1: I mean, it actually worked, um, And I will say 325 00:19:13,040 --> 00:19:14,679 Speaker 1: that's probably the last time that Cody and I had 326 00:19:14,720 --> 00:19:16,800 Speaker 1: a big fight because right around then he started getting 327 00:19:16,800 --> 00:19:20,040 Speaker 1: bigger and stronger than me. So it worked. Parents out there, 328 00:19:20,119 --> 00:19:32,879 Speaker 1: grab your water. We always had large vacations, large you know, 329 00:19:32,960 --> 00:19:36,760 Speaker 1: family gatherings, whether it was holidays, you know, even something 330 00:19:36,800 --> 00:19:40,200 Speaker 1: like a yum kapoor Thanksgiving holiday, having eighty or hundred 331 00:19:40,200 --> 00:19:43,280 Speaker 1: people over at the house. Um. You know, it's really 332 00:19:43,320 --> 00:19:47,320 Speaker 1: funny having a yump dinner. Um when you have people 333 00:19:47,400 --> 00:19:49,760 Speaker 1: such as the Rabbi and his family there as well 334 00:19:49,800 --> 00:19:52,720 Speaker 1: as people that have never met another Jew who has 335 00:19:52,760 --> 00:19:56,840 Speaker 1: been to Os. I mean it's always a big juxtaposition. Um. 336 00:19:56,880 --> 00:19:59,760 Speaker 1: You know we have, as I said, the rabbi uh 337 00:19:59,800 --> 00:20:02,960 Speaker 1: and his family, and then you'd have Corey Booker there, Um, 338 00:20:03,119 --> 00:20:06,560 Speaker 1: you'd have Gail King. Was there a couple of times? King? Yeah, 339 00:20:06,760 --> 00:20:10,040 Speaker 1: we've had We've had some very interesting I remember, you 340 00:20:10,040 --> 00:20:12,639 Speaker 1: know when I was a kid, when you would be 341 00:20:12,680 --> 00:20:14,879 Speaker 1: walking on the street somewhere randomly, and someone would come 342 00:20:14,960 --> 00:20:17,480 Speaker 1: up to you and say, excuse me, you know, are 343 00:20:17,520 --> 00:20:19,960 Speaker 1: you Bobby, And you'd say yes, and after the conversation 344 00:20:20,000 --> 00:20:22,840 Speaker 1: you would get so excited and happy about it, UM, 345 00:20:22,920 --> 00:20:25,399 Speaker 1: and just you know, surprised that someone had recognized you. 346 00:20:25,440 --> 00:20:27,000 Speaker 1: This was you know, before you had done anything on 347 00:20:27,040 --> 00:20:30,879 Speaker 1: television or the talk shows. UM. You might have had 348 00:20:30,880 --> 00:20:33,840 Speaker 1: a book or not, but people would still recognize you. 349 00:20:33,880 --> 00:20:36,040 Speaker 1: And now you know today it's a much different experience 350 00:20:36,040 --> 00:20:38,600 Speaker 1: than if in the family, Like when you get stopped, well, 351 00:20:38,720 --> 00:20:40,600 Speaker 1: I'll just keep on walking. We don't need to deal 352 00:20:40,600 --> 00:20:44,000 Speaker 1: with it. I think you can still you know, uh, 353 00:20:45,000 --> 00:20:48,399 Speaker 1: take some happiness from that. We have good messages for 354 00:20:48,480 --> 00:20:52,280 Speaker 1: you growing up. UM. I will say exactly fifty of 355 00:20:52,280 --> 00:20:54,639 Speaker 1: the people I knew, UM knew who you were and 356 00:20:54,680 --> 00:20:57,200 Speaker 1: cared about it. And it was pretty evenly split between 357 00:20:57,200 --> 00:21:00,520 Speaker 1: boys and girls growing up. Last week you called how 358 00:21:00,520 --> 00:21:02,840 Speaker 1: do I get into Showtime on my iPad? And I asked, 359 00:21:03,160 --> 00:21:05,480 Speaker 1: do you have the Showtime app? And you responded noe 360 00:21:06,040 --> 00:21:08,280 Speaker 1: to me, I'm more than happy to help with any 361 00:21:08,320 --> 00:21:12,800 Speaker 1: technical support questions you have if at least you tried before. Well, 362 00:21:12,800 --> 00:21:15,760 Speaker 1: I did try, but not successfully. I don't know if 363 00:21:15,760 --> 00:21:18,520 Speaker 1: you account as trying by an app. Why do you 364 00:21:18,560 --> 00:21:22,000 Speaker 1: think we have children? We have children because I don't 365 00:21:22,080 --> 00:21:26,119 Speaker 1: have a tech guy. I feel like many kids have 366 00:21:26,200 --> 00:21:33,119 Speaker 1: a lot of U. But it oh, seriously, many that 367 00:21:34,720 --> 00:21:37,520 Speaker 1: are real. You know. I think any mother is gonna 368 00:21:37,600 --> 00:21:40,960 Speaker 1: bug their young kid. Yeah. You think I wasn't around 369 00:21:41,080 --> 00:21:44,760 Speaker 1: enough when you were growing up? No, um, I I 370 00:21:44,800 --> 00:21:47,840 Speaker 1: mean I also wasn't around much too. But we had 371 00:21:47,880 --> 00:21:50,240 Speaker 1: a few years where we definitely didn't spend a ton 372 00:21:50,280 --> 00:21:53,720 Speaker 1: of time together and and every time I came near you, 373 00:21:53,760 --> 00:21:57,200 Speaker 1: it was oil and water. Yes, So I am grateful 374 00:21:57,320 --> 00:22:00,560 Speaker 1: that you grew up and I grew up. I feel 375 00:22:00,560 --> 00:22:04,600 Speaker 1: like our relationship now is very mature and we get 376 00:22:04,600 --> 00:22:07,399 Speaker 1: along greade. But there was a few years where I 377 00:22:07,520 --> 00:22:11,800 Speaker 1: was a team where we definitely had our fair share 378 00:22:11,800 --> 00:22:16,679 Speaker 1: of altercation. Yes, and I feel like we've we've grown 379 00:22:17,400 --> 00:22:23,600 Speaker 1: much since then, and I'm very happy with our relationship. Now, 380 00:22:24,920 --> 00:22:27,800 Speaker 1: what do you think has really changed in our relationships 381 00:22:27,800 --> 00:22:29,639 Speaker 1: since you've grown up? I mean, I think you bugged 382 00:22:29,680 --> 00:22:32,959 Speaker 1: me less because I'm not under a two now now 383 00:22:33,000 --> 00:22:35,119 Speaker 1: I'm an adult. Except when I'm at home and you 384 00:22:35,119 --> 00:22:37,480 Speaker 1: make to clean my room, will go through the basement. 385 00:22:37,600 --> 00:22:40,479 Speaker 1: You know, I think it's less on that level, and 386 00:22:40,520 --> 00:22:42,480 Speaker 1: it's more of now that I'm an adult and have 387 00:22:43,080 --> 00:22:45,280 Speaker 1: you know, a job in a career, it's it's I 388 00:22:45,320 --> 00:22:49,320 Speaker 1: can kind of relate to you're successfulttle bit more in 389 00:22:49,840 --> 00:22:52,879 Speaker 1: your accomplishments where I think when I was a kid, 390 00:22:52,960 --> 00:22:55,879 Speaker 1: I didn't see them because I didn't you know, it 391 00:22:55,960 --> 00:22:59,840 Speaker 1: wasn't something I was around to see or even interested 392 00:22:59,840 --> 00:23:02,919 Speaker 1: in as much. We're both very forgetful. We both have 393 00:23:02,960 --> 00:23:07,000 Speaker 1: a lot of A D D. Yes, we both have 394 00:23:07,080 --> 00:23:09,800 Speaker 1: O C D. Also, we both like things organized and 395 00:23:09,880 --> 00:23:12,520 Speaker 1: lined up. We do. You are the most like me 396 00:23:12,760 --> 00:23:16,520 Speaker 1: in that, in the creative elk and in the you know, 397 00:23:16,920 --> 00:23:22,679 Speaker 1: struggling with perfectionism. Yeah, I gets from you. You do. 398 00:23:23,680 --> 00:23:26,720 Speaker 1: And do you know how much I love you? Yeah? 399 00:23:27,200 --> 00:23:29,879 Speaker 1: You don't have any car. You are one of my 400 00:23:29,960 --> 00:23:32,600 Speaker 1: three favorites some days many days. You are my first 401 00:23:32,680 --> 00:23:37,320 Speaker 1: favorite many many days. So you are a very special human. 402 00:23:38,080 --> 00:23:41,000 Speaker 1: Glad we got that record. Having it all to me, 403 00:23:41,800 --> 00:23:44,359 Speaker 1: by the way, means that you are doing what makes 404 00:23:44,359 --> 00:23:47,960 Speaker 1: you happy. That you are working hard, you're challenging yourself, 405 00:23:48,160 --> 00:23:52,080 Speaker 1: you're giving back, but you also have balance and it's 406 00:23:52,119 --> 00:23:54,200 Speaker 1: not easy. No one said it was easy. It's easy 407 00:23:54,280 --> 00:23:56,720 Speaker 1: for me to sit here, you know, in my sixties 408 00:23:56,760 --> 00:23:59,000 Speaker 1: and say a piece of cake. It wasn't a piece 409 00:23:59,040 --> 00:24:02,320 Speaker 1: of cake. I had a learn coping mechanisms. I had 410 00:24:02,359 --> 00:24:04,960 Speaker 1: to learn how to be organized. I had to learn 411 00:24:05,000 --> 00:24:07,520 Speaker 1: how to delegate. I had to learn how to beg 412 00:24:08,160 --> 00:24:13,320 Speaker 1: help from people, you know, babysitters, friends, and you know. 413 00:24:13,560 --> 00:24:17,880 Speaker 1: Somehow it worked. It wasn't easy. I couldn't have done 414 00:24:17,880 --> 00:24:19,719 Speaker 1: it without my husband. If you don't have a partner 415 00:24:19,760 --> 00:24:23,640 Speaker 1: that supports you and it's there when you can't be, 416 00:24:24,280 --> 00:24:28,920 Speaker 1: then it's really really difficult. When am I going to 417 00:24:29,000 --> 00:24:32,080 Speaker 1: see you again? I don't know. Might be a Friday night. 418 00:24:32,119 --> 00:24:36,560 Speaker 1: I'm all right, babe, alright, thanks for doing this. Love you, 419 00:24:36,920 --> 00:24:44,119 Speaker 1: clean your room. Bye. 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