WEBVTT - Pats from the Past, Episode 14: Sam Gash 0:00:05.080 --> 0:00:08.320 Nat Smith joined by Brian Marie is another episode of 0:00:08.320 --> 0:00:12.080 our Past from the Past podcast, and we're very pleased 0:00:12.119 --> 0:00:16.200 today to be joined by a real throwback Patriot, a 0:00:16.239 --> 0:00:19.560 guy who was an integral part of the second Patriots 0:00:19.880 --> 0:00:22.160 team to ever make it to the Super Bowl, the 0:00:22.239 --> 0:00:24.720 nineteen ninety six AFCTY champions, and we're pleased to be 0:00:24.800 --> 0:00:28.080 joined by former fullback Sam Gash. 0:00:28.160 --> 0:00:30.040 Sam, thank you so much for joining us today. 0:00:30.560 --> 0:00:32.239 It's a pleasure, guys, thanks for having me. 0:00:32.479 --> 0:00:34.080 I guess the first thing that we should ask and 0:00:34.120 --> 0:00:36.560 that fans would want to know, is what is Sam 0:00:36.640 --> 0:00:38.040 Gash up to today? 0:00:38.320 --> 0:00:42.720 In twenty twenty twenty twenty, I am just kind of 0:00:42.760 --> 0:00:45.880 raising my kids. I ended up getting a little disability 0:00:45.920 --> 0:00:49.640 from the NFL, and right now I'm just I have 0:00:49.760 --> 0:00:52.720 five boys. One's about to go off to college. He's 0:00:52.760 --> 0:00:58.480 playing lacrosse in Albany, and one just left and he's 0:00:58.520 --> 0:01:01.040 a walk on at the Universe Michigan right now. 0:01:01.040 --> 0:01:02.440 And then we have three kids. 0:01:02.800 --> 0:01:06.960 Uh, I want to be a freshman seventh and sixth 0:01:07.040 --> 0:01:11.160 grade this year. So, you know, with the whole uh, 0:01:11.520 --> 0:01:13.679 you know COVID deal that's going on, I've had a 0:01:13.680 --> 0:01:16.039 lot of time to you know, spend with the kids. 0:01:16.080 --> 0:01:18.320 And it's something that you know, when I was playing, 0:01:18.959 --> 0:01:21.759 I had time, but I was not mentally there because 0:01:21.800 --> 0:01:24.360 you had to be so, you know, football kind of 0:01:24.360 --> 0:01:26.160 the thinking of it was a little different. I don't 0:01:26.200 --> 0:01:28.840 know if it's still the same today, but you know, 0:01:28.920 --> 0:01:31.600 back then it became a full year job. You know, 0:01:31.640 --> 0:01:34.840 you had to kind of you know, continue to grind 0:01:34.959 --> 0:01:38.119 and and and really you know, make sure that your 0:01:38.160 --> 0:01:40.840 craft was honed by the time you got the camp 0:01:41.120 --> 0:01:43.399 and stuff. So I've had a lot of time to 0:01:43.480 --> 0:01:47.520 just relax with those guys and you know, catch up 0:01:47.560 --> 0:01:50.680 with some old buddies and everything right now, but yeah, 0:01:50.720 --> 0:01:51.920 I'd been doing a whole lot. 0:01:52.240 --> 0:01:54.600 Well, I will say that in talking to some people, 0:01:55.080 --> 0:01:58.840 if there's if there's a silver lining Sam in this 0:01:59.000 --> 0:02:02.400 terrible COVID era that we're living in, it's a real 0:02:02.520 --> 0:02:05.000 chance to reconnect with your family. And so it must 0:02:05.040 --> 0:02:07.680 be a joy for you with five kids to be 0:02:07.720 --> 0:02:10.320 able to be around the house and spend time with them, 0:02:10.919 --> 0:02:13.120 time that you probably weren't able to spend, certainly when 0:02:13.120 --> 0:02:15.160 you were playing or coaching, as you were alluding to. 0:02:15.480 --> 0:02:17.960 But again, there's a silver lining that has to be it. 0:02:18.000 --> 0:02:19.880 Don't you think it's been awesome. 0:02:20.040 --> 0:02:21.960 I mean, you know, I've really had a chance to 0:02:22.000 --> 0:02:24.880 even go to the field and watch them and you know, 0:02:25.120 --> 0:02:26.920 just kind of help train them a little bit and 0:02:27.000 --> 0:02:29.680 just you know, share what I what I've got for 0:02:29.800 --> 0:02:31.239 them in terms of how they're going to make it, 0:02:31.280 --> 0:02:33.399 because you know, a lot of the guys that make 0:02:33.440 --> 0:02:33.800 it aren't. 0:02:33.880 --> 0:02:35.480 It's not just about talent. 0:02:35.720 --> 0:02:37.640 It doesn't mean that you get you know, the most 0:02:37.639 --> 0:02:39.840 talented out there are the guys that make it. But 0:02:40.440 --> 0:02:42.679 there's a secret, you know, a bunch of secrets, I 0:02:42.720 --> 0:02:45.799 should say, because everybody has their own method. But I'm 0:02:45.840 --> 0:02:48.280 just trying to share what I kind of learned and 0:02:49.320 --> 0:02:52.480 through football to the kids and they kind of take 0:02:52.520 --> 0:02:53.200 it and enjoy it. 0:02:53.720 --> 0:02:56.560 Obviously not now because of what's going on with with 0:02:56.680 --> 0:02:57.640 COVID and everything. 0:02:57.720 --> 0:03:00.079 But do you do any like volunteer. 0:02:59.720 --> 0:03:02.440 Stuff at your local high school with the kids or anything? 0:03:03.080 --> 0:03:03.280 You know? 0:03:03.480 --> 0:03:07.119 I did not, and only because you know, I want 0:03:07.160 --> 0:03:09.760 to be I want to watch my kids, you know, 0:03:09.800 --> 0:03:12.680 and if I'm coaching, I'm not watching them, I'm watching 0:03:12.720 --> 0:03:15.480 everybody else. And you know, in the sense I'm being 0:03:15.480 --> 0:03:19.000 a little selfish, you know, right there, because I do enjoy, 0:03:20.000 --> 0:03:22.079 you know, watching them and just being able to save 0:03:22.080 --> 0:03:24.079 with my wife and we can talk, and I can 0:03:24.160 --> 0:03:28.120 film from the film from the stands and come home 0:03:28.160 --> 0:03:30.400 after the game and watch it with them, and you know, 0:03:30.440 --> 0:03:33.040 they tell me what they think and you know, things 0:03:33.080 --> 0:03:36.280 like that. So I really, you know, haven't thought about 0:03:36.440 --> 0:03:39.120 doing a lot of the volunteering and stuff. I'm just 0:03:39.680 --> 0:03:42.800 I figured I got enough people around to volunteer with. 0:03:42.920 --> 0:03:44.400 And that's you know, all my kids. 0:03:44.440 --> 0:03:46.160 Good for you for being selfish. 0:03:45.760 --> 0:03:49.120 So I'm curious though, because I coached my kid in 0:03:49.200 --> 0:03:52.680 high school baseball and I was hard on him. 0:03:53.320 --> 0:03:53.960 Oh yeah, you know. 0:03:54.200 --> 0:03:57.880 And so I'm curious, if you're filming your kid and 0:03:57.920 --> 0:04:01.360 going home and popping in the the quote unquote tapes, 0:04:02.200 --> 0:04:04.240 how does he receive it coming from dad? 0:04:05.160 --> 0:04:09.360 Well, you know, he listens, and only because they know 0:04:09.440 --> 0:04:12.160 that I've been there, done that, and seen that and stuff, 0:04:12.200 --> 0:04:16.040 so they kind of do listen to that opinion. But well, 0:04:16.080 --> 0:04:18.640 my one that's going to Michigan. Now, we pretty much 0:04:18.680 --> 0:04:21.080 after every game, he'd come home and you know, I'd 0:04:21.080 --> 0:04:23.240 have a bunch of clips and you know, we sit 0:04:23.279 --> 0:04:25.480 and watch him and they hadn't even come out on 0:04:25.560 --> 0:04:29.760 the huddle and stuff. Yet, but I had the dad's perspective, 0:04:30.520 --> 0:04:32.480 you know, because it's like a focus on it. 0:04:32.600 --> 0:04:34.360 I'm focused on him period. 0:04:34.800 --> 0:04:37.680 My favorite part because you know, I played college baseball. 0:04:37.720 --> 0:04:40.960 I didn't play professionally obviously, but my son would say, Dad, 0:04:41.000 --> 0:04:42.760 I don't know what it is, but when you tell 0:04:42.760 --> 0:04:43.680 me something, I don't listen. 0:04:43.720 --> 0:04:45.600 And when coach P tells me the same exact thing, 0:04:45.640 --> 0:04:46.360 I listened to him. 0:04:48.240 --> 0:04:52.640 I've gotten that too, definitely, and that's you know, and 0:04:52.680 --> 0:04:55.040 that's another thing that I did was, you know, I 0:04:55.080 --> 0:04:58.040 would talk to his coach, you know, unbeknounced to him, 0:04:58.120 --> 0:04:59.960 but you know, just you know, just because it's coach 0:05:00.000 --> 0:05:02.520 who want to talk and just share ideas and things 0:05:02.560 --> 0:05:05.840 that you know, maybe certain drills and things that, you know, 0:05:05.880 --> 0:05:07.960 if he's looking to do something, and we would talk 0:05:08.240 --> 0:05:09.919 and then I would just kind of tell him what 0:05:09.960 --> 0:05:12.760 I thought, and you know, and I would tell him 0:05:12.800 --> 0:05:16.480 to tell Isaiah something because again. 0:05:16.880 --> 0:05:18.919 They listen, but they don't. 0:05:19.200 --> 0:05:21.800 You know, I'm still bad first and foremost, so you 0:05:21.839 --> 0:05:23.960 and you get that at the coaching. You got a kid, 0:05:24.040 --> 0:05:27.760 but you know, it's been fun and my oldest playing lacrosse, 0:05:27.800 --> 0:05:30.360 I've learned so much about lacrosse that I never knew about. 0:05:30.440 --> 0:05:34.960 And he's now he's six', four like two, fifteen and you, 0:05:35.000 --> 0:05:36.880 know runs probably a four to four and he's a 0:05:36.880 --> 0:05:39.960 defenseman in lacrosse and he's chomping at the bits to 0:05:40.800 --> 0:05:42.160 get to get. 0:05:42.200 --> 0:05:45.360 Going that's, Great, sam that's good to hear that you're 0:05:45.400 --> 0:05:47.200 so involved with him and everything like. THAT i wonder 0:05:47.200 --> 0:05:49.599 as A Penn state guy at great, school your son's 0:05:49.640 --> 0:05:51.640 going To. Michigan but was there now that they're in 0:05:51.680 --> 0:05:53.640 The big ten The Penn? State was there a little 0:05:53.880 --> 0:05:56.080 tinge of, uh you, know you don't want to go 0:05:56.080 --> 0:05:56.680 to dad's alma. 0:05:56.760 --> 0:05:59.200 Mater you, Know, no it wasn't. 0:05:59.200 --> 0:06:02.400 Mad it Was dad's all my mom alma. Mater didn't 0:06:02.480 --> 0:06:06.279 even look to, him didn't even look at. Him and you, 0:06:06.320 --> 0:06:08.479 Know i'd have to think that If Joe paterno was 0:06:08.480 --> 0:06:10.719 there that that would be, different because he made a 0:06:10.720 --> 0:06:14.000 big point, of you, know getting the kids that you, 0:06:14.040 --> 0:06:16.160 know if your dad played, there then he was big 0:06:16.200 --> 0:06:18.000 on the legacy part of it BECAUSE i played with 0:06:18.279 --> 0:06:22.000 probably four or five guys whose dad played there WHEN 0:06:22.040 --> 0:06:24.880 i was, there so you, know but and they don't 0:06:24.880 --> 0:06:26.719 DO i, mean you, know they don't really do that 0:06:26.839 --> 0:06:29.440 as much. NOW i think it's more on the four, 0:06:29.480 --> 0:06:34.040 star three star whatever whatever nine star you know player 0:06:34.200 --> 0:06:36.320 is or. WHATEVER i think they you, know based a 0:06:36.320 --> 0:06:39.479 lot on. That but Now i'm A michigan. Fan, NOW i, 0:06:39.480 --> 0:06:42.360 MEAN i Love. State i've always you, Know i've been, 0:06:42.440 --> 0:06:45.920 there And i'm proud of, it regardless of everything that has. 0:06:45.920 --> 0:06:48.400 Happened i'm very proud of of going To Penn state 0:06:48.440 --> 0:06:51.800 and playing For Joe. Paterno but you, know Now i'm 0:06:51.800 --> 0:06:54.040 A Jim harbaugh. Fan let's Go, Michigan Go. 0:06:54.120 --> 0:06:55.359 Blue there you, go there you. 0:06:55.400 --> 0:06:57.760 Go, well so you're talking about four stars and three 0:06:57.800 --> 0:07:00.520 stars and things like. That what number star see him 0:07:00.560 --> 0:07:03.760 gash coming out Of Penn state as he was prepping 0:07:03.839 --> 0:07:05.000 to play in The National Football. 0:07:05.040 --> 0:07:08.600 League, well, YEAH i don't know what kind of STAR i, 0:07:08.760 --> 0:07:10.160 was you, know coming out of high. 0:07:10.160 --> 0:07:12.760 School that's when they do the. STARS i don't know 0:07:12.760 --> 0:07:14.640 if they do the. Stars they. 0:07:14.680 --> 0:07:16.920 Don't BUT i was just, wondering, like, so you're an 0:07:16.920 --> 0:07:17.400 eighth round. 0:07:17.480 --> 0:07:19.640 Pick do you think did you think that eighth? 0:07:19.680 --> 0:07:21.280 Rounds they don't have eight rounds anymore? 0:07:21.280 --> 0:07:24.600 Exactly, no where did you think or what did you? 0:07:24.640 --> 0:07:27.000 THINK i GUESS i should, say as as draft time 0:07:27.120 --> 0:07:30.200 is approaching and you're you, know your hat's in the, 0:07:30.280 --> 0:07:33.280 ring so to, say to extend to play professional. 0:07:33.320 --> 0:07:35.960 Football oh, Yeah, NO i THOUGHT i was going third 0:07:35.960 --> 0:07:38.360 to fifth. Round you, KNOW i felt LIKE i tested 0:07:38.400 --> 0:07:41.800 WHEN i was a late addition to the, combine didn't 0:07:41.840 --> 0:07:43.680 get to play in any kind Of All star games 0:07:43.720 --> 0:07:46.000 or anything like. That but, WELL i went to the 0:07:46.000 --> 0:07:48.280 combine and saw WHO i. Was you, know the guys 0:07:48.280 --> 0:07:50.520 THAT i was compared. AGAINST i THOUGHT i stacked up 0:07:50.840 --> 0:07:53.360 well with. Them but you, know at the, TIME i 0:07:53.400 --> 0:07:55.680 was two hundred and twenty four, pounds so they were 0:07:55.880 --> 0:07:58.400 too small to be a full, bag too. SLOW i 0:07:58.440 --> 0:08:01.200 was a four to, six you, know four to seven, 0:08:01.240 --> 0:08:04.840 guy too slow to be a. Tailback so it's funny 0:08:04.840 --> 0:08:06.920 because WHEN i got, DRAFTED i was by. MYSELF i 0:08:06.920 --> 0:08:08.680 didn't have a bunch of people. OVER i was at 0:08:08.720 --> 0:08:10.840 car in college and a family THAT i used to 0:08:10.920 --> 0:08:12.720 hang out with would let they just let me come 0:08:12.720 --> 0:08:15.160 over and hang in the. Basement SO i was, there 0:08:15.240 --> 0:08:17.840 and you know, it saw we Drafted Kevin. 0:08:17.880 --> 0:08:20.880 TURNER i was, like, okay you know he's a good full. 0:08:20.960 --> 0:08:24.960 Back played against him in, college and then come rounds, 0:08:25.000 --> 0:08:27.640 Later i'm already pissed because it's like the next. Day 0:08:27.720 --> 0:08:30.280 So i'm fuming right now Because i'm, like, these, yeah 0:08:30.320 --> 0:08:32.280 he was getting the chance to, play And i'm. 0:08:32.320 --> 0:08:32.440 Not. 0:08:32.800 --> 0:08:38.120 SO i Saw Scott lockwood picked two oh, four AND 0:08:38.200 --> 0:08:40.480 i can remember this like it was. Yesterday for some, 0:08:40.520 --> 0:08:43.440 REASON i can't remember. YESTERDAY i can remember this like 0:08:43.480 --> 0:08:45.720 it was. Yesterday you. 0:08:45.800 --> 0:08:46.040 Know it. 0:08:46.160 --> 0:08:51.320 Was they Picked Scott lockwood picked TWO o, four you, 0:08:51.360 --> 0:08:55.040 know picked TWO o. Fire The patriots Select Sam gas 0:08:55.240 --> 0:08:57.240 And i'm just sitting there looking at THE, tv, like 0:08:58.200 --> 0:08:59.240 did somebody just pick? 0:08:59.360 --> 0:09:00.160 Me you? 0:09:00.160 --> 0:09:01.400 Know The patriots just picked? 0:09:01.440 --> 0:09:04.480 Me SO i wait a few, minutes hang, out and 0:09:04.520 --> 0:09:07.720 THEN i eventually called The patriots because we've been at the, 0:09:07.720 --> 0:09:10.240 combine we had numbers for all the teams and. Stuff 0:09:10.280 --> 0:09:11.719 SO i called them and was, like, HEY i think 0:09:11.800 --> 0:09:13.920 y'all just drafted. Me what DO i need to do? 0:09:14.000 --> 0:09:18.559 Next and waiting now THEY i called, them but they 0:09:18.559 --> 0:09:20.320 were just, like, oh we were getting ready to call. 0:09:20.360 --> 0:09:22.800 You but obviously they had just Drafted. Lockwood he was 0:09:22.840 --> 0:09:26.400 picked TWO o four and then they picked, me so 0:09:26.440 --> 0:09:28.080 they probably didn't have. TIME i don't know IF i 0:09:28.080 --> 0:09:29.640 gave him a whole lot of time BECAUSE i was 0:09:29.679 --> 0:09:32.840 expecting the call BEFORE i got, drafted but it just 0:09:33.480 --> 0:09:36.360 didn't happen like. That so you, KNOW i called him 0:09:36.360 --> 0:09:40.080 and was, like, hey what's. Next you, Know i'm ready to. 0:09:40.120 --> 0:09:41.920 Go so that was kind of it. 0:09:42.120 --> 0:09:42.800 When you got. 0:09:42.840 --> 0:09:45.600 Here so you said you were kind of that middleweight 0:09:45.679 --> 0:09:48.920 right two twenty four when you got. Here it was 0:09:48.960 --> 0:09:51.200 one of the first things that the coaches And Bill 0:09:51.240 --> 0:09:53.520 parcell said to you is let's get you waight. 0:09:53.600 --> 0:09:57.600 Up uh, no and, That, well you got to, UNDERSTAND 0:09:57.640 --> 0:10:00.640 i had three head coaches WHILE i was. THERE i 0:10:00.640 --> 0:10:07.320 Had dick McPherson Mac, WELL i say, three but really 0:10:07.400 --> 0:10:11.880 four because we had coach McPherson he was he got, 0:10:11.920 --> 0:10:15.720 sick something happened to, him And Dante scartacky took. 0:10:15.760 --> 0:10:16.440 Off that's. 0:10:16.520 --> 0:10:18.880 Right And dante at the time was a special teams. 0:10:18.920 --> 0:10:22.400 Coach so when we get the, camp WHEN i get the, 0:10:22.440 --> 0:10:26.720 camp you know that, year uh, shooting it's nine running 0:10:26.760 --> 0:10:27.200 backs in the. 0:10:27.280 --> 0:10:30.400 Room i'm number. Nine you, KNOW i was the last 0:10:30.520 --> 0:10:31.400 draft pick in the. 0:10:31.480 --> 0:10:34.520 Room so you, know it was one of those things 0:10:34.600 --> 0:10:36.640 WHERE i had a cousin that was that had played 0:10:36.640 --> 0:10:38.959 in the league at Than. Gash now he was a 0:10:39.040 --> 0:10:42.040 safety with The browns and, uh the forty nine, ERS i. 0:10:42.080 --> 0:10:46.760 Believe and it was one of those things, where, SHOOT 0:10:46.800 --> 0:10:49.920 i just tried to hit everything as hard AS i, 0:10:49.960 --> 0:10:51.800 could as often AS i, could AND i wanted to 0:10:51.800 --> 0:10:54.120 make the coaches say wow once a day at. Least 0:10:54.120 --> 0:10:56.360 and that was kind of you know what he, said 0:10:56.360 --> 0:10:59.520 you gotta stay. Relevant so my deal WAS i was too, 0:10:59.559 --> 0:11:03.079 small you know that what they said to play. Fullback 0:11:03.120 --> 0:11:06.480 BUT i felt LIKE i could hit with. ANYBODY i 0:11:06.480 --> 0:11:08.280 had a neck roll on AND i felt LIKE i, 0:11:08.440 --> 0:11:11.240 was you, know a brick running through there and couldn't 0:11:11.280 --> 0:11:12.439 and couldn't nobody stop. 0:11:12.520 --> 0:11:13.200 Me that's WHAT i. 0:11:13.240 --> 0:11:17.400 Thought you, Mentioned, Scar, Sam and so the natural coward 0:11:17.520 --> 0:11:21.880 to that, is are you surprised that as recently as 0:11:21.920 --> 0:11:25.520 this past Year dante was still doing, it still a 0:11:25.559 --> 0:11:29.320 factor from an offensive line, Standpoint and you can you 0:11:29.400 --> 0:11:32.040 must be able to, relate you, know because he was 0:11:32.240 --> 0:11:34.600 there for your rookie, year you, know and what were 0:11:34.600 --> 0:11:37.719 your impressions of, him and the fact that his longevity 0:11:37.840 --> 0:11:39.080 was such and how successful a. 0:11:39.120 --> 0:11:42.160 Career he had a great teacher in the. 0:11:42.200 --> 0:11:45.640 Game you, know he taught and he taught. Techniques you, 0:11:45.640 --> 0:11:48.520 know he basically you knew what to. Do he made 0:11:48.520 --> 0:11:51.600 it player friendly speech in a sense the way he. 0:11:51.800 --> 0:11:55.320 Was But dante was always the same. Guy you, know 0:11:55.360 --> 0:11:58.280 he didn't put a guy out there based on color 0:11:58.559 --> 0:12:00.760 or anything like, that nor did he talk to guys. 0:12:00.800 --> 0:12:04.520 Differently he always respected guys when he talked to. You 0:12:04.600 --> 0:12:07.280 but you knew that you didn't really want to make 0:12:07.360 --> 0:12:09.400 him mad because he had a way of you, know 0:12:09.520 --> 0:12:11.520 looking at you and kind of shaking his head and, 0:12:11.559 --> 0:12:14.160 stuff and knew that he just you. Disappointed and he 0:12:14.200 --> 0:12:16.000 was at the, time the special teams, coach SO i 0:12:16.120 --> 0:12:19.400 WAS i was all. In you, Know dante wasn't getting 0:12:19.440 --> 0:12:22.480 a lot of you, know reps and. Stuff but you, 0:12:22.520 --> 0:12:25.360 KNOW i Thought dante the reason that he's still because he's. 0:12:25.400 --> 0:12:28.760 STILL i saw him a few years ago and he 0:12:28.960 --> 0:12:32.560 was the exact same mannerisms that he had back, then 0:12:32.720 --> 0:12:36.040 and he's just as laid back as. Calm but when he, 0:12:36.120 --> 0:12:40.760 SPEAKS i, mean he always has something beneficial to. SAY i, 0:12:40.760 --> 0:12:44.240 mean he always makes a point and he's not going 0:12:44.320 --> 0:12:46.280 to teach you or tell you something that's going to 0:12:46.360 --> 0:12:46.760 get you. 0:12:47.280 --> 0:12:48.840 Beat and he was a good. 0:12:48.920 --> 0:12:53.359 Technician he had good drills and Just i'm not surprised 0:12:54.080 --> 0:12:57.240 that he's, there and he could be coaching. ANYTHING i 0:12:57.240 --> 0:13:00.000 think he could coach any position because he's a great. 0:13:00.200 --> 0:13:03.319 Teacher think about, This not only Was Dante scarneck here 0:13:03.320 --> 0:13:07.120 For Sam gash's rookie, Year he's here For Nikhil harry's 0:13:07.160 --> 0:13:09.520 rookie year And Kenneth sim's rookie. 0:13:09.600 --> 0:13:11.439 Year that's how long he lasted. 0:13:11.480 --> 0:13:13.760 Here so why do you, think so you you worked 0:13:13.760 --> 0:13:16.839 with scar why do you think that he was able 0:13:16.880 --> 0:13:20.920 to last throughout so many different head coaches? Here you 0:13:20.920 --> 0:13:22.520 know a lot of times it's the head coaching, change 0:13:22.520 --> 0:13:25.560 the whole staff. Goes dante was here For Ron, meyer 0:13:26.000 --> 0:13:28.560 he was here For dick, McPherson. 0:13:28.320 --> 0:13:31.880 Bill, Parcells Pete, Carroll Bill. 0:13:31.880 --> 0:13:35.520 BELICHICK i, mean he's he's been able to last through 0:13:35.559 --> 0:13:36.240 all those coaching. 0:13:36.240 --> 0:13:37.160 Staffs why do you think that? 0:13:37.240 --> 0:13:40.600 IS i think he's again a great. TEACHER i think 0:13:40.640 --> 0:13:44.400 that he understands the. Game he you, know he studies 0:13:44.480 --> 0:13:47.640 the studies the, game understands the game and can put 0:13:47.679 --> 0:13:50.760 players in the best and teach them the best techniques to. 0:13:50.800 --> 0:13:51.839 Win at what they. 0:13:51.920 --> 0:13:54.360 Do he did that when WHEN i was, THERE i 0:13:54.360 --> 0:13:58.360 mean we WERE i think two and fourteen my rookie. 0:13:58.440 --> 0:13:59.560 Year but and. 0:13:59.679 --> 0:14:02.559 Back we only had forty five guys on the roster. 0:14:02.960 --> 0:14:05.959 Period there was no practice, squads there was No there 0:14:06.000 --> 0:14:08.800 may have been injured reserves and, stuff but you, Know 0:14:08.960 --> 0:14:11.600 dante took a core of. Us we were two and, 0:14:11.679 --> 0:14:14.560 Fourteen we were young, guys but we WERE i think 0:14:14.640 --> 0:14:18.280 top five in just about All special teams. Categories and 0:14:18.280 --> 0:14:20.920 that was a tribute to him Because special teams is 0:14:20.960 --> 0:14:24.600 a tough it's a it's a tough group to coach 0:14:24.640 --> 0:14:27.240 because you're coaching. Everybody you really could be the head 0:14:27.280 --> 0:14:29.640 coach as a special teams, coach and that's WHY i 0:14:29.640 --> 0:14:33.680 Thought dante when they transitioned him into that interim head 0:14:33.680 --> 0:14:36.680 coach that, year they. Wouldn't there's not a better person 0:14:36.760 --> 0:14:37.360 that could have done. 0:14:37.400 --> 0:14:41.640 That so your second, year you Know parcels, Yep Bill. 0:14:41.680 --> 0:14:45.760 Parcells and would it be safe to, Say sam that 0:14:45.960 --> 0:14:51.280 you saw an immediate attitude change when he. 0:14:51.280 --> 0:14:52.920 Walked in the. Door and how would you describe? 0:14:52.960 --> 0:14:54.040 That the? 0:14:54.160 --> 0:14:57.680 Confidence you, know he walked, around, confidence he held his head, 0:14:57.800 --> 0:15:00.520 high and when he spoke to, you LIKE i, say 0:15:00.600 --> 0:15:03.920 he was always going to tell you the truth in 0:15:03.920 --> 0:15:06.520 the sense whether you liked it or, not if you 0:15:06.640 --> 0:15:08.160 thought you were doing, good but he. 0:15:08.240 --> 0:15:11.040 Didn't he lets you know and, stuff and. 0:15:11.000 --> 0:15:13.960 He gave, you. 0:15:12.840 --> 0:15:14.040 Know not a whole lot of. 0:15:14.360 --> 0:15:16.680 Chances you had to Be he had to trust you 0:15:17.080 --> 0:15:19.760 and from WHAT i found on. Ourselves and that was 0:15:19.800 --> 0:15:23.720 the hardest training. CAMP i think the next couple of 0:15:23.760 --> 0:15:26.360 years was the hardest training CAMPS i Think i'd ever been. 0:15:26.400 --> 0:15:29.080 Through but if you made it through those training, camps 0:15:29.800 --> 0:15:31.880 it might take you a little. While, ahill during the, 0:15:31.920 --> 0:15:36.440 season you get Through September, october but every, year Come November, 0:15:36.520 --> 0:15:40.520 december you are so hardened for football and primed and 0:15:40.600 --> 0:15:43.040 ready to go that your body finally caught up to 0:15:43.080 --> 0:15:47.480 you that there there was no holding you. Back AND 0:15:47.560 --> 0:15:50.000 i think that's why he could turn he turned that team, 0:15:50.040 --> 0:15:53.920 around you, know so, quick was because he mentally and 0:15:54.040 --> 0:15:58.320 physically hardened us in training. Camp that WAS i, mean 0:15:58.360 --> 0:16:01.680 it was two straight weeks of two, days like fourteenth 0:16:01.680 --> 0:16:03.800 straight days of two days in pads. 0:16:04.280 --> 0:16:06.160 Rolling and what did he. 0:16:06.160 --> 0:16:06.720 Mean to use? 0:16:06.800 --> 0:16:09.240 Him because BECAUSE i mean he obviously comes in with 0:16:09.320 --> 0:16:13.000 a completely different maybe approach and, style and maybe that 0:16:13.200 --> 0:16:16.120 suits what you're looking to, do the neck roll guy 0:16:16.240 --> 0:16:19.800 looking to hit. People did that fit well with Coach? Parcells? 0:16:20.400 --> 0:16:22.520 WELL i you, KNOW i just knew THAT i had 0:16:23.040 --> 0:16:25.600 whatever he asked me to do THAT i had to. 0:16:25.680 --> 0:16:28.240 Do and that was the control that he had over, 0:16:28.280 --> 0:16:31.360 me BECAUSE i think it may have been it had 0:16:31.400 --> 0:16:35.320 to be. Ninety kevin had just, left you, know got 0:16:35.320 --> 0:16:37.960 a big deal At, philly well. DESERVED i MEAN i 0:16:38.040 --> 0:16:41.880 thought he's a great player and, stuff well well. Deserved 0:16:42.040 --> 0:16:44.680 but we were PLAYING i Think San diego at the, 0:16:44.720 --> 0:16:47.920 time and we were up and down maybe a little, 0:16:47.960 --> 0:16:51.240 bit and he brought me in and basically challenged, me 0:16:51.360 --> 0:16:54.360 and you, know, said you, know they got this, Guy Junior, 0:16:54.400 --> 0:16:58.480 seau and if you know you can't block, Him i'll 0:16:58.520 --> 0:16:59.200 find somebody that. 0:16:59.280 --> 0:17:00.520 Can AND i, WAS i got your. 0:17:00.560 --> 0:17:03.800 Coach and then from that point, ON i think that's 0:17:03.840 --> 0:17:08.119 WHERE i kind of started making a name because he pushed. 0:17:07.760 --> 0:17:09.879 Me where it was going to be him or, me 0:17:10.440 --> 0:17:10.960 and With. 0:17:11.000 --> 0:17:13.600 Parcels behind, ME i knew it wasn't gonna be me 0:17:13.720 --> 0:17:15.960 for long BECAUSE i was gonna make sure THAT i 0:17:16.000 --> 0:17:18.439 took care of whatever he asked me to. Do he 0:17:18.480 --> 0:17:21.320 asked me to take care Of Curtis martin BEST i. 0:17:21.359 --> 0:17:21.919 Can as a. 0:17:21.960 --> 0:17:26.040 Shilling we back, then we would play forty fifty sixty 0:17:26.080 --> 0:17:27.440 plays a, game and they were two. 0:17:27.560 --> 0:17:28.400 Backs we were two. 0:17:28.400 --> 0:17:32.160 BACKS i wasn't in there by, myself and he asked 0:17:32.160 --> 0:17:34.119 me to help take care Of, curtis AND i tried 0:17:34.119 --> 0:17:36.120 to be a shield For. CURTIS i didn't want anybody 0:17:36.160 --> 0:17:39.239 to Get. Curtis you, know straight, ON i was. IT 0:17:39.280 --> 0:17:40.840 i was just trying to be a shield for him 0:17:40.840 --> 0:17:44.960 and make sure that he succeeded the best he, could 0:17:45.119 --> 0:17:46.080 both mentally and. 0:17:46.160 --> 0:17:51.080 Physically, So, sam you, know show prep is very important 0:17:51.080 --> 0:17:53.080 in the podcast. World you got to do a little show. 0:17:53.119 --> 0:17:55.760 Prep and so who DO i reach out to to 0:17:55.840 --> 0:17:58.920 try to get a little cm gash. Information but one 0:17:58.920 --> 0:18:01.320 of my good friends in a teammate Of Here's Scott 0:18:01.400 --> 0:18:05.000 zolac and so those Telling zoe's telling me today he 0:18:05.080 --> 0:18:11.680 goes Ask sam about playing The chargers And Junior saou 0:18:12.040 --> 0:18:15.400 and the film after The chargers game With Ray, perkins 0:18:15.760 --> 0:18:18.360 and he, goes he, goes here's A hall Of fame 0:18:18.400 --> 0:18:21.679 Linebacker Junior, saou one of the greatest to ever play the. 0:18:21.720 --> 0:18:27.680 Game and he, Goes Saam gash Destroyed sayou And perkins 0:18:27.720 --> 0:18:31.560 went back and forth on the tape and just, goes 0:18:31.640 --> 0:18:34.159 watch watch him, here watch him, Here bam there he, 0:18:34.240 --> 0:18:37.400 Goes Seem Gash, bam there goes say, down he. 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