Speaker 1: Nat Smith joined by Brian Marie is another episode of
Speaker 1: our Past from the Past podcast, and we're very pleased
Speaker 1: today to be joined by a real throwback Patriot, a
Speaker 1: guy who was an integral part of the second Patriots
Speaker 1: team to ever make it to the Super Bowl, the
Speaker 1: nineteen ninety six AFCTY champions, and we're pleased to be
Speaker 1: joined by former fullback Sam Gash.
Speaker 2: Sam, thank you so much for joining us today.
Speaker 3: It's a pleasure, guys, thanks for having me.
Speaker 4: I guess the first thing that we should ask and
Speaker 4: that fans would want to know, is what is Sam
Speaker 4: Gash up to today?
Speaker 5: In twenty twenty twenty twenty, I am just kind of
Speaker 5: raising my kids. I ended up getting a little disability
Speaker 5: from the NFL, and right now I'm just I have
Speaker 5: five boys. One's about to go off to college. He's
Speaker 5: playing lacrosse in Albany, and one just left and he's
Speaker 5: a walk on at the Universe Michigan right now.
Speaker 3: And then we have three kids.
Speaker 5: Uh, I want to be a freshman seventh and sixth
Speaker 5: grade this year. So, you know, with the whole uh,
Speaker 5: you know COVID deal that's going on, I've had a
Speaker 5: lot of time to you know, spend with the kids.
Speaker 5: And it's something that you know, when I was playing,
Speaker 5: I had time, but I was not mentally there because
Speaker 5: you had to be so, you know, football kind of
Speaker 5: the thinking of it was a little different. I don't
Speaker 5: know if it's still the same today, but you know,
Speaker 5: back then it became a full year job. You know,
Speaker 5: you had to kind of you know, continue to grind
Speaker 5: and and and really you know, make sure that your
Speaker 5: craft was honed by the time you got the camp
Speaker 5: and stuff. So I've had a lot of time to
Speaker 5: just relax with those guys and you know, catch up
Speaker 5: with some old buddies and everything right now, but yeah,
Speaker 5: I'd been doing a whole lot.
Speaker 4: Well, I will say that in talking to some people,
Speaker 4: if there's if there's a silver lining Sam in this
Speaker 4: terrible COVID era that we're living in, it's a real
Speaker 4: chance to reconnect with your family. And so it must
Speaker 4: be a joy for you with five kids to be
Speaker 4: able to be around the house and spend time with them,
Speaker 4: time that you probably weren't able to spend, certainly when
Speaker 4: you were playing or coaching, as you were alluding to.
Speaker 4: But again, there's a silver lining that has to be it.
Speaker 3: Don't you think it's been awesome.
Speaker 5: I mean, you know, I've really had a chance to
Speaker 5: even go to the field and watch them and you know,
Speaker 5: just kind of help train them a little bit and
Speaker 5: just you know, share what I what I've got for
Speaker 5: them in terms of how they're going to make it,
Speaker 5: because you know, a lot of the guys that make
Speaker 5: it aren't.
Speaker 3: It's not just about talent.
Speaker 5: It doesn't mean that you get you know, the most
Speaker 5: talented out there are the guys that make it. But
Speaker 5: there's a secret, you know, a bunch of secrets, I
Speaker 5: should say, because everybody has their own method. But I'm
Speaker 5: just trying to share what I kind of learned and
Speaker 5: through football to the kids and they kind of take
Speaker 5: it and enjoy it.
Speaker 6: Obviously not now because of what's going on with with
Speaker 6: COVID and everything.
Speaker 7: But do you do any like volunteer.
Speaker 6: Stuff at your local high school with the kids or anything?
Speaker 3: You know?
Speaker 5: I did not, and only because you know, I want
Speaker 5: to be I want to watch my kids, you know,
Speaker 5: and if I'm coaching, I'm not watching them, I'm watching
Speaker 5: everybody else. And you know, in the sense I'm being
Speaker 5: a little selfish, you know, right there, because I do enjoy,
Speaker 5: you know, watching them and just being able to save
Speaker 5: with my wife and we can talk, and I can
Speaker 5: film from the film from the stands and come home
Speaker 5: after the game and watch it with them, and you know,
Speaker 5: they tell me what they think and you know, things
Speaker 5: like that. So I really, you know, haven't thought about
Speaker 5: doing a lot of the volunteering and stuff. I'm just
Speaker 5: I figured I got enough people around to volunteer with.
Speaker 3: And that's you know, all my kids.
Speaker 2: Good for you for being selfish.
Speaker 6: So I'm curious though, because I coached my kid in
Speaker 6: high school baseball and I was hard on him.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, you know.
Speaker 6: And so I'm curious, if you're filming your kid and
Speaker 6: going home and popping in the the quote unquote tapes,
Speaker 6: how does he receive it coming from dad?
Speaker 5: Well, you know, he listens, and only because they know
Speaker 5: that I've been there, done that, and seen that and stuff,
Speaker 5: so they kind of do listen to that opinion. But well,
Speaker 5: my one that's going to Michigan. Now, we pretty much
Speaker 5: after every game, he'd come home and you know, I'd
Speaker 5: have a bunch of clips and you know, we sit
Speaker 5: and watch him and they hadn't even come out on
Speaker 5: the huddle and stuff. Yet, but I had the dad's perspective,
Speaker 5: you know, because it's like a focus on it.
Speaker 3: I'm focused on him period.
Speaker 7: My favorite part because you know, I played college baseball.
Speaker 6: I didn't play professionally obviously, but my son would say, Dad,
Speaker 6: I don't know what it is, but when you tell
Speaker 6: me something, I don't listen.
Speaker 7: And when coach P tells me the same exact thing,
Speaker 7: I listened to him.
Speaker 5: I've gotten that too, definitely, and that's you know, and
Speaker 5: that's another thing that I did was, you know, I
Speaker 5: would talk to his coach, you know, unbeknounced to him,
Speaker 5: but you know, just you know, just because it's coach
Speaker 5: who want to talk and just share ideas and things
Speaker 5: that you know, maybe certain drills and things that, you know,
Speaker 5: if he's looking to do something, and we would talk
Speaker 5: and then I would just kind of tell him what
Speaker 5: I thought, and you know, and I would tell him
Speaker 5: to tell Isaiah something because again.
Speaker 3: They listen, but they don't.
Speaker 5: You know, I'm still bad first and foremost, so you
Speaker 5: and you get that at the coaching. You got a kid,
Speaker 5: but you know, it's been fun and my oldest playing lacrosse,
Speaker 5: I've learned so much about lacrosse that I never knew about.
Speaker 5: And he's now he's six', four like two, fifteen and you,
Speaker 5: know runs probably a four to four and he's a
Speaker 5: defenseman in lacrosse and he's chomping at the bits to
Speaker 5: get to get.
Speaker 4: Going that's, Great, sam that's good to hear that you're
Speaker 4: so involved with him and everything like. THAT i wonder
Speaker 4: as A Penn state guy at great, school your son's
Speaker 4: going To. Michigan but was there now that they're in
Speaker 4: The big ten The Penn? State was there a little
Speaker 4: tinge of, uh you, know you don't want to go
Speaker 4: to dad's alma.
Speaker 2: Mater you, Know, no it wasn't.
Speaker 5: Mad it Was dad's all my mom alma. Mater didn't
Speaker 5: even look to, him didn't even look at. Him and you,
Speaker 5: Know i'd have to think that If Joe paterno was
Speaker 5: there that that would be, different because he made a
Speaker 5: big point, of you, know getting the kids that you,
Speaker 5: know if your dad played, there then he was big
Speaker 5: on the legacy part of it BECAUSE i played with
Speaker 5: probably four or five guys whose dad played there WHEN
Speaker 5: i was, there so you, know but and they don't
Speaker 5: DO i, mean you, know they don't really do that
Speaker 5: as much. NOW i think it's more on the four,
Speaker 5: star three star whatever whatever nine star you know player
Speaker 5: is or. WHATEVER i think they you, know based a
Speaker 5: lot on. That but Now i'm A michigan. Fan, NOW i,
Speaker 5: MEAN i Love. State i've always you, Know i've been,
Speaker 5: there And i'm proud of, it regardless of everything that has.
Speaker 5: Happened i'm very proud of of going To Penn state
Speaker 5: and playing For Joe. Paterno but you, know Now i'm
Speaker 5: A Jim harbaugh. Fan let's Go, Michigan Go.
Speaker 2: Blue there you, go there you.
Speaker 4: Go, well so you're talking about four stars and three
Speaker 4: stars and things like. That what number star see him
Speaker 4: gash coming out Of Penn state as he was prepping
Speaker 4: to play in The National Football.
Speaker 5: League, well, YEAH i don't know what kind of STAR i,
Speaker 5: was you, know coming out of high.
Speaker 3: School that's when they do the. STARS i don't know
Speaker 3: if they do the. Stars they.
Speaker 2: Don't BUT i was just, wondering, like, so you're an
Speaker 2: eighth round.
Speaker 3: Pick do you think did you think that eighth?
Speaker 7: Rounds they don't have eight rounds anymore?
Speaker 4: Exactly, no where did you think or what did you?
Speaker 4: THINK i GUESS i should, say as as draft time
Speaker 4: is approaching and you're you, know your hat's in the,
Speaker 4: ring so to, say to extend to play professional.
Speaker 5: Football oh, Yeah, NO i THOUGHT i was going third
Speaker 5: to fifth. Round you, KNOW i felt LIKE i tested
Speaker 5: WHEN i was a late addition to the, combine didn't
Speaker 5: get to play in any kind Of All star games
Speaker 5: or anything like. That but, WELL i went to the
Speaker 5: combine and saw WHO i. Was you, know the guys
Speaker 5: THAT i was compared. AGAINST i THOUGHT i stacked up
Speaker 5: well with. Them but you, know at the, TIME i
Speaker 5: was two hundred and twenty four, pounds so they were
Speaker 5: too small to be a full, bag too. SLOW i
Speaker 5: was a four to, six you, know four to seven,
Speaker 5: guy too slow to be a. Tailback so it's funny
Speaker 5: because WHEN i got, DRAFTED i was by. MYSELF i
Speaker 5: didn't have a bunch of people. OVER i was at
Speaker 5: car in college and a family THAT i used to
Speaker 5: hang out with would let they just let me come
Speaker 5: over and hang in the. Basement SO i was, there
Speaker 5: and you know, it saw we Drafted Kevin.
Speaker 3: TURNER i was, like, okay you know he's a good full.
Speaker 5: Back played against him in, college and then come rounds,
Speaker 5: Later i'm already pissed because it's like the next. Day
Speaker 5: So i'm fuming right now Because i'm, like, these, yeah
Speaker 5: he was getting the chance to, play And i'm.
Speaker 6: Not.
Speaker 5: SO i Saw Scott lockwood picked two oh, four AND
Speaker 5: i can remember this like it was. Yesterday for some,
Speaker 5: REASON i can't remember. YESTERDAY i can remember this like
Speaker 5: it was. Yesterday you.
Speaker 3: Know it.
Speaker 5: Was they Picked Scott lockwood picked TWO o, four you,
Speaker 5: know picked TWO o. Fire The patriots Select Sam gas
Speaker 5: And i'm just sitting there looking at THE, tv, like
Speaker 5: did somebody just pick?
Speaker 7: Me you?
Speaker 3: Know The patriots just picked?
Speaker 5: Me SO i wait a few, minutes hang, out and
Speaker 5: THEN i eventually called The patriots because we've been at the,
Speaker 5: combine we had numbers for all the teams and. Stuff
Speaker 5: SO i called them and was, like, HEY i think
Speaker 5: y'all just drafted. Me what DO i need to do?
Speaker 5: Next and waiting now THEY i called, them but they
Speaker 5: were just, like, oh we were getting ready to call.
Speaker 5: You but obviously they had just Drafted. Lockwood he was
Speaker 5: picked TWO o four and then they picked, me so
Speaker 5: they probably didn't have. TIME i don't know IF i
Speaker 5: gave him a whole lot of time BECAUSE i was
Speaker 5: expecting the call BEFORE i got, drafted but it just
Speaker 5: didn't happen like. That so you, KNOW i called him
Speaker 5: and was, like, hey what's. Next you, Know i'm ready to.
Speaker 5: Go so that was kind of it.
Speaker 7: When you got.
Speaker 6: Here so you said you were kind of that middleweight
Speaker 6: right two twenty four when you got. Here it was
Speaker 6: one of the first things that the coaches And Bill
Speaker 6: parcell said to you is let's get you waight.
Speaker 5: Up uh, no and, That, well you got to, UNDERSTAND
Speaker 5: i had three head coaches WHILE i was. THERE i
Speaker 5: Had dick McPherson Mac, WELL i say, three but really
Speaker 5: four because we had coach McPherson he was he got,
Speaker 5: sick something happened to, him And Dante scartacky took.
Speaker 2: Off that's.
Speaker 3: Right And dante at the time was a special teams.
Speaker 5: Coach so when we get the, camp WHEN i get the,
Speaker 5: camp you know that, year uh, shooting it's nine running
Speaker 5: backs in the.
Speaker 3: Room i'm number. Nine you, KNOW i was the last
Speaker 3: draft pick in the.
Speaker 5: Room so you, know it was one of those things
Speaker 5: WHERE i had a cousin that was that had played
Speaker 5: in the league at Than. Gash now he was a
Speaker 5: safety with The browns and, uh the forty nine, ERS i.
Speaker 5: Believe and it was one of those things, where, SHOOT
Speaker 5: i just tried to hit everything as hard AS i,
Speaker 5: could as often AS i, could AND i wanted to
Speaker 5: make the coaches say wow once a day at. Least
Speaker 5: and that was kind of you know what he, said
Speaker 5: you gotta stay. Relevant so my deal WAS i was too,
Speaker 5: small you know that what they said to play. Fullback
Speaker 5: BUT i felt LIKE i could hit with. ANYBODY i
Speaker 5: had a neck roll on AND i felt LIKE i,
Speaker 5: was you, know a brick running through there and couldn't
Speaker 5: and couldn't nobody stop.
Speaker 3: Me that's WHAT i.
Speaker 4: Thought you, Mentioned, Scar, Sam and so the natural coward
Speaker 4: to that, is are you surprised that as recently as
Speaker 4: this past Year dante was still doing, it still a
Speaker 4: factor from an offensive line, Standpoint and you can you
Speaker 4: must be able to, relate you, know because he was
Speaker 4: there for your rookie, year you, know and what were
Speaker 4: your impressions of, him and the fact that his longevity
Speaker 4: was such and how successful a.
Speaker 3: Career he had a great teacher in the.
Speaker 5: Game you, know he taught and he taught. Techniques you,
Speaker 5: know he basically you knew what to. Do he made
Speaker 5: it player friendly speech in a sense the way he.
Speaker 5: Was But dante was always the same. Guy you, know
Speaker 5: he didn't put a guy out there based on color
Speaker 5: or anything like, that nor did he talk to guys.
Speaker 5: Differently he always respected guys when he talked to. You
Speaker 5: but you knew that you didn't really want to make
Speaker 5: him mad because he had a way of you, know
Speaker 5: looking at you and kind of shaking his head and,
Speaker 5: stuff and knew that he just you. Disappointed and he
Speaker 5: was at the, time the special teams, coach SO i
Speaker 5: WAS i was all. In you, Know dante wasn't getting
Speaker 5: a lot of you, know reps and. Stuff but you,
Speaker 5: KNOW i Thought dante the reason that he's still because he's.
Speaker 5: STILL i saw him a few years ago and he
Speaker 5: was the exact same mannerisms that he had back, then
Speaker 5: and he's just as laid back as. Calm but when he,
Speaker 5: SPEAKS i, mean he always has something beneficial to. SAY i,
Speaker 5: mean he always makes a point and he's not going
Speaker 5: to teach you or tell you something that's going to
Speaker 5: get you.
Speaker 3: Beat and he was a good.
Speaker 5: Technician he had good drills and Just i'm not surprised
Speaker 5: that he's, there and he could be coaching. ANYTHING i
Speaker 5: think he could coach any position because he's a great.
Speaker 6: Teacher think about, This not only Was Dante scarneck here
Speaker 6: For Sam gash's rookie, Year he's here For Nikhil harry's
Speaker 6: rookie year And Kenneth sim's rookie.
Speaker 7: Year that's how long he lasted.
Speaker 6: Here so why do you, think so you you worked
Speaker 6: with scar why do you think that he was able
Speaker 6: to last throughout so many different head coaches? Here you
Speaker 6: know a lot of times it's the head coaching, change
Speaker 6: the whole staff. Goes dante was here For Ron, meyer
Speaker 6: he was here For dick, McPherson.
Speaker 7: Bill, Parcells Pete, Carroll Bill.
Speaker 6: BELICHICK i, mean he's he's been able to last through
Speaker 6: all those coaching.
Speaker 7: Staffs why do you think that?
Speaker 5: IS i think he's again a great. TEACHER i think
Speaker 5: that he understands the. Game he you, know he studies
Speaker 5: the studies the, game understands the game and can put
Speaker 5: players in the best and teach them the best techniques to.
Speaker 3: Win at what they.
Speaker 5: Do he did that when WHEN i was, THERE i
Speaker 5: mean we WERE i think two and fourteen my rookie.
Speaker 3: Year but and.
Speaker 5: Back we only had forty five guys on the roster.
Speaker 5: Period there was no practice, squads there was No there
Speaker 5: may have been injured reserves and, stuff but you, Know
Speaker 5: dante took a core of. Us we were two and,
Speaker 5: Fourteen we were young, guys but we WERE i think
Speaker 5: top five in just about All special teams. Categories and
Speaker 5: that was a tribute to him Because special teams is
Speaker 5: a tough it's a it's a tough group to coach
Speaker 5: because you're coaching. Everybody you really could be the head
Speaker 5: coach as a special teams, coach and that's WHY i
Speaker 5: Thought dante when they transitioned him into that interim head
Speaker 5: coach that, year they. Wouldn't there's not a better person
Speaker 5: that could have done.
Speaker 2: That so your second, year you Know parcels, Yep Bill.
Speaker 4: Parcells and would it be safe to, Say sam that
Speaker 4: you saw an immediate attitude change when he.
Speaker 2: Walked in the. Door and how would you describe?
Speaker 3: That the?
Speaker 5: Confidence you, know he walked, around, confidence he held his head,
Speaker 5: high and when he spoke to, you LIKE i, say
Speaker 5: he was always going to tell you the truth in
Speaker 5: the sense whether you liked it or, not if you
Speaker 5: thought you were doing, good but he.
Speaker 3: Didn't he lets you know and, stuff and.
Speaker 5: He gave, you.
Speaker 3: Know not a whole lot of.
Speaker 5: Chances you had to Be he had to trust you
Speaker 5: and from WHAT i found on. Ourselves and that was
Speaker 5: the hardest training. CAMP i think the next couple of
Speaker 5: years was the hardest training CAMPS i Think i'd ever been.
Speaker 5: Through but if you made it through those training, camps
Speaker 5: it might take you a little. While, ahill during the,
Speaker 5: season you get Through September, october but every, year Come November,
Speaker 5: december you are so hardened for football and primed and
Speaker 5: ready to go that your body finally caught up to
Speaker 5: you that there there was no holding you. Back AND
Speaker 5: i think that's why he could turn he turned that team,
Speaker 5: around you, know so, quick was because he mentally and
Speaker 5: physically hardened us in training. Camp that WAS i, mean
Speaker 5: it was two straight weeks of two, days like fourteenth
Speaker 5: straight days of two days in pads.
Speaker 3: Rolling and what did he.
Speaker 7: Mean to use?
Speaker 6: Him because BECAUSE i mean he obviously comes in with
Speaker 6: a completely different maybe approach and, style and maybe that
Speaker 6: suits what you're looking to, do the neck roll guy
Speaker 6: looking to hit. People did that fit well with Coach? Parcells?
Speaker 5: WELL i you, KNOW i just knew THAT i had
Speaker 5: whatever he asked me to do THAT i had to.
Speaker 5: Do and that was the control that he had over,
Speaker 5: me BECAUSE i think it may have been it had
Speaker 5: to be. Ninety kevin had just, left you, know got
Speaker 5: a big deal At, philly well. DESERVED i MEAN i
Speaker 5: thought he's a great player and, stuff well well. Deserved
Speaker 5: but we were PLAYING i Think San diego at the,
Speaker 5: time and we were up and down maybe a little,
Speaker 5: bit and he brought me in and basically challenged, me
Speaker 5: and you, know, said you, know they got this, Guy Junior,
Speaker 5: seau and if you know you can't block, Him i'll
Speaker 5: find somebody that.
Speaker 3: Can AND i, WAS i got your.
Speaker 5: Coach and then from that point, ON i think that's
Speaker 5: WHERE i kind of started making a name because he pushed.
Speaker 3: Me where it was going to be him or, me
Speaker 3: and With.
Speaker 5: Parcels behind, ME i knew it wasn't gonna be me
Speaker 5: for long BECAUSE i was gonna make sure THAT i
Speaker 5: took care of whatever he asked me to. Do he
Speaker 5: asked me to take care Of Curtis martin BEST i.
Speaker 3: Can as a.
Speaker 5: Shilling we back, then we would play forty fifty sixty
Speaker 5: plays a, game and they were two.
Speaker 3: Backs we were two.
Speaker 5: BACKS i wasn't in there by, myself and he asked
Speaker 5: me to help take care Of, curtis AND i tried
Speaker 5: to be a shield For. CURTIS i didn't want anybody
Speaker 5: to Get. Curtis you, know straight, ON i was. IT
Speaker 5: i was just trying to be a shield for him
Speaker 5: and make sure that he succeeded the best he, could
Speaker 5: both mentally and.
Speaker 4: Physically, So, sam you, know show prep is very important
Speaker 4: in the podcast. World you got to do a little show.
Speaker 4: Prep and so who DO i reach out to to
Speaker 4: try to get a little cm gash. Information but one
Speaker 4: of my good friends in a teammate Of Here's Scott
Speaker 4: zolac and so those Telling zoe's telling me today he
Speaker 4: goes Ask sam about playing The chargers And Junior saou
Speaker 4: and the film after The chargers game With Ray, perkins
Speaker 4: and he, goes he, goes here's A hall Of fame
Speaker 4: Linebacker Junior, saou one of the greatest to ever play the.
Speaker 4: Game and he, Goes Saam gash Destroyed sayou And perkins
Speaker 4: went back and forth on the tape and just, goes
Speaker 4: watch watch him, here watch him, Here bam there he,
Speaker 4: Goes Seem Gash, bam there goes say, down he. Goes
Speaker 4: he just repeated, it repeated, it repeated. It he, said
Speaker 4: you toyed With Junior seo that, game he. Goes that's
Speaker 4: WHEN i Knew Sam gash could play because he manhandled
Speaker 4: A hall Of fame.
Speaker 2: Player god rest his.
Speaker 5: Soul but, no, NO i, MEAN i don't remember The
Speaker 5: ALL i remember Is parsales bringing me in, saying if
Speaker 5: you can't block this, guy find somebody. Can and then
Speaker 5: from that point on it was LIKE i went. BLANK
Speaker 5: i was, like, okay WHATEVER i have to. Do and
Speaker 5: then zolak he if he said, That and then, yeah
Speaker 5: BECAUSE i forgot all About Ray perkins And ray used
Speaker 5: to like, that you know that hard nose you know
Speaker 5: type football, Too and, yeah, no that was SAY i
Speaker 5: was the ONE i.
Speaker 6: Remember so so you said you had to Protect curtis
Speaker 6: if you.
Speaker 7: Will what was what was blocking For?
Speaker 6: Curtis like a guy who could change, directions you, know
Speaker 6: hit holes, quickly probably ran with some good. Patients what
Speaker 6: was it like blocking For?
Speaker 5: Curtis he had, patience he had, balance he had a,
Speaker 5: burst you, know like Because i'm my job was to
Speaker 5: try to run through the hole as fast AS i
Speaker 5: could and clear anybody that's in in the, way and
Speaker 5: as fast AS i ran in, There curtis was right on,
Speaker 5: me you know so and he was such his reactions
Speaker 5: were so. QUICK i, mean he could like to, say
Speaker 5: you think that he's running one, way and then then next,
Speaker 5: thing you, know he's running back the other, way full,
Speaker 5: speed not breaking stride and just being able to have
Speaker 5: a balance to get through an arm tackle because you.
Speaker 3: Know it wasn't all.
Speaker 5: Us, curtis you, know made a lot of people miss
Speaker 5: ran through a lot of tackles that people didn't think
Speaker 5: he could and, stuff but he. Was it was just,
Speaker 5: fun you, know being out there with him and making
Speaker 5: sure that he was. Okay and that was kind of my,
Speaker 5: deal like you're, good you're, good all, right let's go and.
Speaker 3: Stuff SO i.
Speaker 4: Think Many patriot fans Recall sam that ninety six season
Speaker 4: with great joy as a franchise is coming back and
Speaker 4: you get to THE Afc Championship game and you going
Speaker 4: to The Super, Bowl and it's always stayed with me
Speaker 4: that in the immediate aftermath of that, game as THE
Speaker 4: Afc Championship game trophy is being presented to First Robert
Speaker 4: craft and Then Bill parcells That parcells mentions in front
Speaker 4: of the completely banged out. Stadium you, Know Sam, GASH
Speaker 4: a part of this is for, You patriot fans might
Speaker 4: not recall In december against The, jets you got hurt
Speaker 4: and you missed that playoff.
Speaker 3: RUN.
Speaker 4: A how much did that hurt to not be a
Speaker 4: part of that playoff? Run AND b what did that
Speaker 4: mean to you When bill took the, time at a
Speaker 4: tremendous moment in his career and for the team and
Speaker 4: the success that they were having for him to single
Speaker 4: you out on the stage that?
Speaker 3: Night you know?
Speaker 5: IT i mean it floored, me you know it truly,
Speaker 5: did because that whole time WHEN i told my knee,
Speaker 5: UP i felt LIKE i was having probably my, best you,
Speaker 5: know career at that, POINT i was doing probably the
Speaker 5: best THAT i had done in terms of stats and
Speaker 5: reckoning people, understand like starting to know.
Speaker 3: WHO i am and. Everything and then when that, happened.
Speaker 5: You, KNOW i kind of got, up got you know,
Speaker 5: it HEARD i knew something initially was, wrong got, up
Speaker 5: tried to walk off the, sideline didn't want, help you,
Speaker 5: know and then eventually walked in because it was over
Speaker 5: and then from that point, ON i tried to come.
Speaker 5: BACK i was, like, Hey, COACH i THINK i can.
Speaker 5: PLAY i can come, Back, COACH i can get you,
Speaker 5: KNOW i can, STILL i can run, straight you. Know
Speaker 5: and then finally they waited like five weeks AND i
Speaker 5: had surgery In january right during you know that, run
Speaker 5: AND i THINK i was probably still in the hospital
Speaker 5: when he said, that and it JUST i can kind
Speaker 5: of remember nurses and stuff coming.
Speaker 3: By did you hear What Coach parcels just? Said did
Speaker 3: you hear? That da da da da?
Speaker 5: Da and it JUST i MEAN i was speechless BECAUSE
Speaker 5: i had so much admiration For Coach. Parcels and it's not,
Speaker 5: like you, KNOW i was always talking to him and
Speaker 5: all that, stuff but it was just the way he
Speaker 5: commanded a TEAM i, had you, know it was just
Speaker 5: LIKE i had never seen it before like.
Speaker 3: That and when he did.
Speaker 5: THAT i live In green, now and every TIME i see,
Speaker 5: People i'm, Saying, hey If i'd have been playing that
Speaker 5: ninety Six Super, bowl we'd have definitely.
Speaker 3: Won you.
Speaker 5: Know that was just that was just the WAY i,
Speaker 5: felt BECAUSE i felt like IF i could get on
Speaker 5: the field that whatever TEAM i was, on AND i
Speaker 5: THINK i ONLY i played like twelve years AND i
Speaker 5: THINK i was only on like three of like maybe
Speaker 5: four losing teams and, stuff you know, That and that
Speaker 5: was something that you, KNOW i wanted to. DO i
Speaker 5: wanted to do be known as a. WINNER i was,
Speaker 5: LIKE i may not make the money and all, that
Speaker 5: BUT i just want you to remember. Me and that's
Speaker 5: WHY i played hard as hard AS i did for
Speaker 5: the respect of the.
Speaker 6: Game but, well if you could have helped out past
Speaker 6: Protection sam On Reggie, white maybe it's a different.
Speaker 7: Ballgame OH i.
Speaker 5: Knew reggie, WELL i done chipped him and THAT'S i
Speaker 5: ain't gonna block. Him that's not my guy to, block
Speaker 5: But i'll make sure that he goes one direction and.
Speaker 3: Stuff and that was kind of WHAT i.
Speaker 6: Did, so so do you do you honestly feel that
Speaker 6: it would have been a different game had you been.
Speaker 5: In there with without one hundred percent at one hundred
Speaker 5: and twenty, PERCENT i feel like BECAUSE i just felt
Speaker 5: LIKE i could control the tempo of a, game you,
Speaker 5: know AND i was gonna make people not want to
Speaker 5: be on the, field you, know the ones THAT i played,
Speaker 5: against So dred getting back out, there AND i just you,
Speaker 5: KNOW i mean we ran the. Ball the special teams,
Speaker 5: aspect you, know was you, know kind of.
Speaker 3: Did BUT i don't know how the game. Win don't
Speaker 3: remember it at.
Speaker 5: ALL i just remember being on the sideline saying, it
Speaker 5: IF i was in, there we. Win and that was
Speaker 5: just you, know selfish of me staying, That but that's
Speaker 5: just WHAT i.
Speaker 6: Believe so sim let's let's talk about maybe a little
Speaker 6: bit of a transition for you and the. Team first of,
Speaker 6: all did you have any idea That Coach parcels was
Speaker 6: coaching his last.
Speaker 7: Game when you were there or when you when you
Speaker 7: went down To New?
Speaker 6: Orleans and then part two that transition To Pete, carroll you,
Speaker 6: know just INITIAL i know a year later what happened
Speaker 6: and we can get. There but your initial reaction to
Speaker 6: going from the t task masking task masker Coach parcels
Speaker 6: to more of the light Hearted West Coast Pete, Carroll.
Speaker 3: Well.
Speaker 5: First of, ALL i had no idea That Coach parcels was.
Speaker 5: LEAVING i had heard rumors, like oh, yeah he might
Speaker 5: be out of, here BUT i had no idea where
Speaker 5: and stuff when that whole thing. Happened but when it,
Speaker 5: DID i knew that whoever was in there THAT i
Speaker 5: could play for because IF i can play For Coach,
Speaker 5: PARCELS i feel LIKE i can play for any team
Speaker 5: in the league and, stuff and only because there's a
Speaker 5: toughness that he likes and that is. Football AND i
Speaker 5: felt like THAT i kind of possessed. That So Pete
Speaker 5: carroll comes in and mind, you this was right after
Speaker 5: The Super. Bowl SO i HAD acl surgery In, january
Speaker 5: right and by that Next, july you, KNOW i was
Speaker 5: kind of you, know pushed, like, hey if you can't,
Speaker 5: practice you ain't gonna make it and. Stuff So i'm, like,
Speaker 5: oh and it's been six, months you, know AFTER i
Speaker 5: had THE acl. Surgery so you, know that, YEAR i buckled,
Speaker 5: up braced, up and practiced first practice as soon as
Speaker 5: we started practicing whenever it Was, july it had to
Speaker 5: Be july SOMETIMELY i. WAS i was in there going,
Speaker 5: so you, KNOW i barely made the, TEAM i, think you,
Speaker 5: know BECAUSE i think we ended up getting keep. Buyers
Speaker 5: that might have. BEEN i think he was maybe there
Speaker 5: at that.
Speaker 7: TIME i think he was there on The Super, bowlers
Speaker 7: was on The Super, bowl.
Speaker 5: On The Super bowl, ACQUISITION i, believe, yeah, Yeah AND
Speaker 5: i Love keith and But keith was a different fullback
Speaker 5: THAN i.
Speaker 3: Was he, was you, know he was running full.
Speaker 5: BACK i, mean good pass, catching solid protector and, everything
Speaker 5: but it just wasn't a blocker THAT i. Was so
Speaker 5: we get Uh pete and uh again six months AFTER
Speaker 5: i made the, team SO i was, like you, know
Speaker 5: here we go right. Now BUT i think he lost
Speaker 5: the team because he wasn't as like a parcels and
Speaker 5: that just that group had been SO i think hardened
Speaker 5: to the way we had done. THINGS i, mean we
Speaker 5: wanted to work. Hard we wanted it to be tough
Speaker 5: because we knew we were.
Speaker 3: You, know something was.
Speaker 5: Happening and when he wanted, to you, know kind of
Speaker 5: go play, basketball you, know take a day and do you,
Speaker 5: know let's do a fun, activity we weren't used to.
Speaker 5: That AND i think that that definitely affected and probably
Speaker 5: Why pete you, know didn't last as long as he
Speaker 5: did out In seattle and. Stuff it was just a different.
Speaker 5: Mentality but you, Know pete's done a good. JOB i, Mean,
Speaker 5: Pezza he's proven to be a great, coach you know as,
Speaker 5: well because he wins and. Stuff AND i think we
Speaker 5: won that first year that he was. THERE i want
Speaker 5: to say we still we, won had a winning record.
Speaker 7: Division in the last week At miami And.
Speaker 3: Miami, yeah OK's.
Speaker 6: For you, Personally you're at the ninety six you, know
Speaker 6: you're in the hospital for the ninety SIX Afc championship
Speaker 6: game and Coach parcels puts you on a pedestal and
Speaker 6: the fans are. Rupped you, know made you maybe maybe
Speaker 6: in that, moment became kind of a fan, favorite blue
Speaker 6: collar In New, england the type of player In New
Speaker 6: Englander's Love Loved. It six months, later you're playing in
Speaker 6: a knee, brace probably shouldn't be on the, field six
Speaker 6: months AFTER acl, surgery fighting to even make the. Team
Speaker 6: how hard was that mentally for you to go from
Speaker 6: this place where you had the head coach had such
Speaker 6: respect for you to a head coach that didn't know
Speaker 6: you and maybe wasn't even concerned about whether you're going
Speaker 6: to be there or.
Speaker 5: Not, well you know that was obvious because the very
Speaker 5: next year they Signed Tony. CARTER i, think AND i
Speaker 5: WAS i wanted to be A patriot Like Troy. BROWN i,
Speaker 5: mean shoot me At troy And troy was one of
Speaker 5: my best friends up there as well as being and,
Speaker 5: stuff SO i wanted to be A patriot for, life
Speaker 5: you know like. That but you, Know pete came and,
Speaker 5: then LIKE i, SAID i was sending out the blue.
Speaker 5: Coach Bobby, grier who was you, know in personnel at the,
Speaker 5: time was, like, yeah you're gonna be. HERE i met with,
Speaker 5: him he was, like, hey we still you, know won't.
Speaker 5: You and Then i'm sitting at home and all, SAID
Speaker 5: i see The patriots Sign Tony carter to this big.
Speaker 5: Deal so again my second, Time i'm. PISSED i Mean i'm,
Speaker 5: fuming like oh, Okay and THEN i WENT i THINK
Speaker 5: i had just had wrist.
Speaker 3: Surgery SO i went somewhere.
Speaker 5: And maybe didn't or maybe not that, year but, Anyway
Speaker 5: buffalo call and was, like how you. DOING i was like,
Speaker 5: GOOD i did have risk surgery at the, time and
Speaker 5: the doctor asked. Me he was, like had you ever
Speaker 5: played with it broken before you? Ligaments AND i was like,
Speaker 5: yeah the whole. Season he was like, okay, yeah you're.
Speaker 5: Good and basically they signed. Me AND i think WHEN
Speaker 5: i went, THERE i think for the next two, YEARS
Speaker 5: i think we may have lost one game Against New england.
Speaker 5: STUFF i think our record may have been like three
Speaker 5: and four because playing in twice a.
Speaker 7: Year and it was personal for.
Speaker 5: You, oh it was personal and that's what. Cause but
Speaker 5: it was it was kind of, like, yeah it was
Speaker 5: personal BECAUSE i wanted to be there and the fact
Speaker 5: THAT i. Wasn't you, KNOW i was pissed because that
Speaker 5: was my. HOME i played six years there AND i was, like,
Speaker 5: okay so WHEN i, LEFT i THINK i made The
Speaker 5: Pro bowl the next two years in the row and
Speaker 5: then ended up going to The Super bowl and you,
Speaker 5: know winning With. Baltimore but it, was, yeah it got
Speaker 5: real personal for me and that was kind of what
Speaker 5: gave me fire fuel and. Stuff BUT i Loved New.
Speaker 5: England it was it was a fun. TIME i mean it.
Speaker 5: WAS i, mean it was just it was the.
Speaker 2: Beginning but see, THAT i, MEAN i guess that's the
Speaker 2: way to do.
Speaker 4: It if you feel like as an employee here and
Speaker 4: you know you're not getting the respect that you think you,
Speaker 4: deserve you channeled it in the. Way, yeah you said
Speaker 4: it was, personal but you then backed it, up you, Know, yeah.
Speaker 2: Two Pro bowl.
Speaker 4: Berths with The bills and then going To baltimore and
Speaker 4: being part of that. Team now that wasn't an offensive.
Speaker 4: Juggernaut That baltimore team you won because of, Defense.
Speaker 3: Well, yeah but we also control the.
Speaker 5: Ball we had Three, stone we Had Jamal, lewis you know,
Speaker 5: so And trent was a great manager of the.
Speaker 3: GAME i, mean that's what everybody's.
Speaker 5: Like and we Had ben, Coach Shannon, shaw you, know
Speaker 5: so we had guys that not Saying shannon wasn't gonna block,
Speaker 5: much But ben did you know Who ben?
Speaker 6: Was?
Speaker 2: Sure.
Speaker 4: Yeah so the bittersweet part of not getting to play
Speaker 4: in The Super bowl in ninety six when you were
Speaker 4: such an, integral integral part of that, team you, know
Speaker 4: you come full circle a little bit With. Baltimore that
Speaker 4: must have just, really you, know to get back and
Speaker 4: for you to be able to play and for you
Speaker 4: to be a part of that championship. Team that's a
Speaker 4: nice way to cap a, career wouldn't you?
Speaker 3: Say, yeah, no it.
Speaker 5: Was but the crazy thing about it, IS i go
Speaker 5: To buffalo make The Pro bowl two years in a
Speaker 5: row BECAUSE i, knew like once my knee got healed,
Speaker 5: up that it was going to be a different world
Speaker 5: and stuff in terms of the WAY i played and
Speaker 5: the WAY i went at. It and THEN i made
Speaker 5: The Pro bowl two years up there and got cut
Speaker 5: after that With bruce when they made that Big, thurmon you,
Speaker 5: know everybody left.
Speaker 7: And they never Beat New england.
Speaker 5: Again, yeah you, know WELL i take that leg now
Speaker 5: you know what we did because we ended up beating
Speaker 5: them when you got caught no oh. Yeah but THEN
Speaker 5: i came back in two thousand and three and then
Speaker 5: we beat them for thirty one season and that was
Speaker 5: just a snot. Blood you, know it was. Hard and
Speaker 5: then they beat us thirty one nothing in the last.
Speaker 3: Game.
Speaker 6: Brady brady threw four interceptions in that, game including one
Speaker 6: To Sam adams for a.
Speaker 7: Touchdown.
Speaker 3: Touchdown, yeah that's.
Speaker 5: Right but AFTER i got cut From buffalo going back
Speaker 5: to getting To, BALTIMORE i didn't get a. CALL i,
Speaker 5: MEAN i THINK i talked to a couple of teams
Speaker 5: THAT i THINK i may have had another surgery at
Speaker 5: the time where they didn't pass me on the, physical
Speaker 5: and Then Izzie knew some called me and asked me
Speaker 5: to come up for a. Physical this was like a
Speaker 5: week in the training. Camp So i'm thinking after making
Speaker 5: The Pro bowl two years in a, Row i'm gonna
Speaker 5: go and not gonna play.
Speaker 3: Anymore so it.
Speaker 5: Goes a week or so WEEK i don't know in
Speaker 5: the training camp and he called and can you come?
Speaker 3: Up they had just had a guy get, hurt and.
Speaker 5: SO i went up and didn't take, toothbrush didn't take
Speaker 5: anything BECAUSE i Figured i'd fly, up take a, physical
Speaker 5: and fly. BACK izi, said, Hey i'll give you a
Speaker 5: hundred thousand if you can practice. Today and this was like.
Speaker 3: PADS i, mean this was like goal line and.
Speaker 5: Everything SO i was, like so let's, go and then
Speaker 5: SO i go and THEN i get out go to.
Speaker 5: PRACTICE i THINK i may have had an hour or
Speaker 5: two ONCE i got there and signed to get the.
Speaker 5: Practice SO i get my gear and go to, practice
Speaker 5: and you, KNOW i commenced to trying to hit them
Speaker 5: as hard AS i. COULD i mean every. Play it
Speaker 5: got to the point where they would come up to
Speaker 5: me and be, like hey and just let me know
Speaker 5: when you, coming and we can have an. Agreement and
Speaker 5: this is, practice And i'm, like my practice being with
Speaker 5: parsales was my. Game IF i could make it through,
Speaker 5: that games were. Easy and that was kind of the
Speaker 5: mentality THAT i took To. Baltimore and then they Had
Speaker 5: Jamal Jamal lewis And Priest holmes were the runners and
Speaker 5: you KNOW i. COULD i could block for them guys all,
Speaker 5: day you, know so and then, yeah and THEN i
Speaker 5: go back To buffalo three my last, year and ended
Speaker 5: up met doing something to my knee.
Speaker 3: Mid, season and.
Speaker 5: Then signed In New orleans and off season training and
Speaker 5: did something else to my, knee and then finally it was,
Speaker 5: like all, Right i'm.
Speaker 3: Done and that was kind of you know how it.
Speaker 5: ENDED i went as long AS i, could as hard
Speaker 5: AS i, Could but WHEN i was, done there was
Speaker 5: no regrets, whatsoever BECAUSE i played as hard and as
Speaker 5: long and as fast AS i.
Speaker 4: Could which was evident by for anybody who watched, you
Speaker 4: not only with the patri it's but you know when
Speaker 4: you were with The, bills and especially when you were
Speaker 4: at The, ravens that, Position, sam you must look at
Speaker 4: kind of, wistfully you, know as you see there are
Speaker 4: teams that don't even carry a full, back and yet
Speaker 4: you see correct and then and then you see teams
Speaker 4: that do have a full, back and you see a
Speaker 4: guy like A James, devlin who you, know was kind
Speaker 4: of like A cm gas of a, player lunch peel.
Speaker 4: Guy nobody wears a neck role, anymore But devlin would
Speaker 4: be a neck role, GUY i would think for.
Speaker 2: Sure and when The patriots as a, blocker, right and
Speaker 2: you know.
Speaker 4: It's it's power, football IT'S i, formation and it's a
Speaker 4: fullback leading the tail back into the.
Speaker 2: Hole what is your?
Speaker 4: Position obviously you have some prejudice towards. It but to
Speaker 4: the role that the fullback plays in football.
Speaker 3: Today, well you know it's a.
Speaker 5: TRAVESY i look at the smart, teams you know they
Speaker 5: always have a, fullback AND i, CALLED i, say the
Speaker 5: smart teams are the ones that win The Super. Bowl you,
Speaker 5: know you go back from, time you go back from.
Speaker 5: Whenever every team that wins has The Kansas City, chiefs
Speaker 5: they keep a fullback on their roster because there always
Speaker 5: comes a point in, time whether it's either running the,
Speaker 5: ball or being a lead blocker or being a pass,
Speaker 5: protector that you're going to need a guy with a fullback's,
Speaker 5: versatility even though people don't think of him as. Versatile
Speaker 5: it's like A swiss army. Knife AND i just heard
Speaker 5: somebody reference the other.
Speaker 3: Day but.
Speaker 5: You can do it all and. Stuff and when you
Speaker 5: got a guy that can lead and be a, point
Speaker 5: guy that's going to run up in the hole and
Speaker 5: not going to go. Backwards you, know those guys become
Speaker 5: valuable when It's November december and you need a yard
Speaker 5: and you know that maybe there's they got a good
Speaker 5: d line or, whatever and you gotta get your tailback
Speaker 5: back to the, line and a fullback can adjust and
Speaker 5: make sure that that guy gets to the line and
Speaker 5: if he's good enough running and you gotta get a.
Speaker 3: Yard and that's just the. Mentality so the teams that have.
Speaker 5: Fullbacks look out In san fran you, know they got
Speaker 5: a fullback and they're a good. TEAM i, mean you,
Speaker 5: know The patriots for all those years had a. Fullback
Speaker 5: they Had Tom, brady you, know and the other. Position
Speaker 5: but like you, Say devlin had a. Fullback you know
Speaker 5: that that will help you and You they don't use
Speaker 5: them as much. NOW i used to play fifty sixty.
Speaker 5: PLAYS i mean that would be like a you, know
Speaker 5: a pretty good. Game now they may play fifteen, ten
Speaker 5: but those ten or fifteen could be game changing plays
Speaker 5: because getting the yard sometimes is more important than, having you,
Speaker 5: know a big.
Speaker 3: Play it is considered a big play to me.
Speaker 7: To get that third and one or fourth and one.
Speaker 3: Situation, yeah fourth and, One, yeah so's to.
Speaker 6: Let me ask you, This, sam because just on this,
Speaker 6: topic a lot of college teams are now running that pistol,
Speaker 6: offense you, know re run pass option type, stuff and
Speaker 6: that's starting to make its way into the.
Speaker 7: League a little.
Speaker 6: More do you think that diminishes the role of the
Speaker 6: fullback because of that?
Speaker 7: Offense?
Speaker 5: Uh, YEAH i, mean because there is no fullback in that,
Speaker 5: offense not very. Much AND i think that that works
Speaker 5: in college you don't have as many great, athletes you,
Speaker 5: know on the field that can really hit the quarterback
Speaker 5: if you once you get into the, pros these teams
Speaker 5: they want to run down that reed's own. Stuff If
Speaker 5: i'm a defensive, Coach i'm, saying if that quarterback steps
Speaker 5: out that hole and he looks.
Speaker 3: Like he's going to run, it hit.
Speaker 5: It you, Know i'm going to drill him and, stuff
Speaker 5: and it'll be a legal, hit nothing. Illegal BUT i
Speaker 5: think that you, know the teams that can go so
Speaker 5: much speed in THE nfl, sideways you, know like the lateral,
Speaker 5: movement the lateral, speed especially of some of these smaller
Speaker 5: linebackers and. Stuff it's hard to run those stretch plays
Speaker 5: out of gun and. Stuff but once you put you,
Speaker 5: KNOW i think that it's going to come back, around you,
Speaker 5: know full back. There they'll find a good fullback that
Speaker 5: will you, know play who it's going to be who,
Speaker 5: knows but, YEAH i think that off that college offense
Speaker 5: will get a quarterback killed in the in THE nfl
Speaker 5: and their first instinct is to run, it you, know
Speaker 5: LIKE i may just Fill Lamar. Jackson he's such a
Speaker 5: good athlete and so good you know That i'm wondering
Speaker 5: how long he is going to be a runner and
Speaker 5: stuff because you get you get caught a couple of
Speaker 5: times and you know it'll take it out of.
Speaker 6: You he seems to, avoid at least last, year seems
Speaker 6: to avoid the big hit with, elusiveness but he takes
Speaker 6: a couple of big.
Speaker 3: Hits. Yep that changing where?
Speaker 4: Right so obviously listening to You sam a little, bit you,
Speaker 4: know uh that there's an intelligence and about the game
Speaker 4: and everything like, that and you had you, know you
Speaker 4: spent some time. Coaching do you miss coaching and is
Speaker 4: coaching something that you want to continue to pursue or
Speaker 4: do you think that that part of your life LIKE
Speaker 4: i did.
Speaker 2: Coaching i'm okay with.
Speaker 5: That, Yeah, No i'd Love i'd love to get five
Speaker 5: more years or so just for retirming purpose is Now
Speaker 5: i'm looking you, Know i'm over, fifty so it's.
Speaker 3: Like, hey where can you get?
Speaker 5: In but you, know it's a tough it's a tough tough,
Speaker 5: DEAL i mean coaching in.
Speaker 3: It but it's a lot of. Fun you.
Speaker 5: KNOW i enjoyed it AND i still kind of you,
Speaker 5: KNOW i consider myself coaching my, boys you, know just
Speaker 5: making sure their, techniques simple techniques are good and things like.
Speaker 5: That So i'll never say, never but because that's SOMETHING
Speaker 5: i feel LIKE i can do with my, sleep you,
Speaker 5: know it's. Coach it's just you, KNOW i don't, know
Speaker 5: BECAUSE i had to study the. GAME i wasn't a great,
Speaker 5: athlete SO i had to find the little you, know
Speaker 5: the secret hidden points you, know to get the to
Speaker 5: get this block, done or what angle is, best you,
Speaker 5: know just different things like that that you, KNOW i
Speaker 5: was able to Coach John kohon up, Here Eddie, Lacy John,
Speaker 5: Cohon James starks and those, guys And koon made The
Speaker 5: Pro bowl a couple of. Years so you, KNOW i
Speaker 5: had to change up the WAY i coached the full.
Speaker 5: BACK i didn't coach him LIKE i, Played and that
Speaker 5: was kind of the big deal is, that you, KNOW
Speaker 5: i don't, coach you, know coach a guy or ever
Speaker 5: talk to him about head head, placement you, know anything
Speaker 5: like that, anymore because you, know usually shoulder. Pads you,
Speaker 5: know there's techniques that you can use that you, know
Speaker 5: or sound and you, know not gonna get you hurd or,
Speaker 5: mental you, know mess with you mentally and stuff like.
Speaker 5: That so but that's just something THAT i. Do i'm
Speaker 5: not really you, Know I'm I'm i'm, happy you, KNOW
Speaker 5: i can't. Complain i'd like to do either that or some.
Speaker 4: Scouting you mentioned your friendship With troy and wanted to
Speaker 4: be A patriot for. Life are you surprised That troy
Speaker 4: has chosen the path of coaching here over the last
Speaker 4: couple of.
Speaker 5: YEARS i talked to him about, it and he knows exactly,
Speaker 5: uh you, know he He it doesn't surprise me at
Speaker 5: all Because troy is such A he was such a smart.
Speaker 5: Player you, know here's a guy that may not have
Speaker 5: been as big or as fast as you, know guys
Speaker 5: were supposed to, be but he was such a, productive
Speaker 5: you know, player and he was a great student of the.
Speaker 5: Game he AND i hung out a lot WHILE i was.
Speaker 5: There he's a year behind, me but we ended, up you,
Speaker 5: know being really good friends and. Stuff SO i knew
Speaker 5: what kind of student of the game he was and knew,
Speaker 5: that you, know coaching would be a natural transition for.
Speaker 5: Him you, know it's not it's not like anything. Different
Speaker 5: obviously you're not home as much and. Stuff but if
Speaker 5: you got a head coach that loves his, family then
Speaker 5: they seem to make time and stuff.
Speaker 6: Too so And troy also an eighth round pick the year.
Speaker 6: Later but you, Know troy said to me one, Time,
Speaker 6: sam AND i think you probably fall into the same
Speaker 6: category as far as far as your approaching. Attitude troy
Speaker 6: said to me one, DAY i just walk in the
Speaker 6: locker room every day and make sure my stuff is
Speaker 6: still in my. Locker that always stuck with me because
Speaker 6: he never took one day in the.
Speaker 5: League for, granted, no that's exactly. Right neither DID, i you,
Speaker 5: Know AND i was, nervous you, know every. Practice you,
Speaker 5: KNOW i got nervous for games BECAUSE i knew physically
Speaker 5: it was gonna be, tough you. Know so you, KNOW
Speaker 5: i was that guy THAT i didn't whatever it took to,
Speaker 5: PLAY i was gonna play but, yeah after the, game you,
Speaker 5: know WHEN i came in the next, DAY i wanted
Speaker 5: to stop looking for my helmet and. Stuff so, Yeah, Troy,
Speaker 5: troy that hit the nail on the head right.
Speaker 3: There because that's.
Speaker 5: Exactly the mentality we, had and we would talk, about,
Speaker 5: like hey, man you just don't get, comfortable especially With
Speaker 5: parcels because he's. Cut somebody. Surprised he's like a surprise
Speaker 5: cut pretty much every. Year it's, like, hey you better
Speaker 5: not get comfortable and basically you better not get. Hurt
Speaker 5: because he told the story Of Wally. Pip he was,
Speaker 5: like you know why we. Visit everybody's, like, nah Who's Wally? Pip,
Speaker 5: well you know Who Louke garrett. Is he was a
Speaker 5: guy That Louke garrett took the position from and never
Speaker 5: gave it.
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