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Speaker 1: I'm Tamika D.

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Speaker 2: Mallory and it's your boy my son in general, we

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Speaker 3: Tamika and my Son's Information, Truth, Motivation and.

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Speaker 1: Inspiration, New Name, New Energy, what's good? My song learning?

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Speaker 1: How you doing today?

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Speaker 3: I am black blessed and Holly favored today, Tamika D. Mallory.

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Speaker 1: I guess I'm black blessed Holly Favorite, but.

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Speaker 3: Sure said, look black love, he.

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Speaker 1: Blacks right, that's right, But that's crazy.

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Speaker 4: But anyway, my hands have been in the air like

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Speaker 4: this for months, but definitely for the last few days.

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Speaker 1: This is what I do. All that, I just go,

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Speaker 1: I don't.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you gotta take some deep breaths because it's crazy.

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Speaker 4: I mean, it's a lot, and we knew it would

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Speaker 4: be this way, you know. I was talking to a

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Speaker 4: person who runs one of one of the larger blogs

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Speaker 4: and they said to me, it's worse than I thought.

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Speaker 4: And this is a person who knew how bad it

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Speaker 4: was gonna be and was calling us saying.

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Speaker 1: What are we gonna do?

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Speaker 4: How can we you know, slow this thing downstop it?

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Speaker 4: Like they were already in co read this is bad.

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Speaker 4: And they said to me, this worse than I thought,

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Speaker 4: and I said, no, it's not.

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Speaker 1: It's not worse than you thought.

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Speaker 3: You knew.

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Speaker 4: That's why you was calling and doing chats and trying

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Speaker 4: to pull people together to have conversations. It's just watching

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Speaker 4: it all happen is deeply like you feel deep grief.

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Speaker 4: Because there was a way to get in front of it.

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Speaker 4: It was a way to get in front of it.

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Speaker 4: It does not mean that things would have been perfect,

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Speaker 4: or that people who live on one thirty fifth Street

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Speaker 4: whatever community in Saint Louis and North Carolina, and places

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Speaker 4: where folks had been distressed for generations upon generations upon

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Speaker 4: generations of generations of family members who have grown up

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Speaker 4: fighting the system, dealing with oppression, being shut out of systems,

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Speaker 4: being mistreated in the workplace.

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Speaker 1: I mean, having inadequate.

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Speaker 4: Health care, having poor education, having housing insecurity, food insecurity.

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Speaker 1: These things have been happening.

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Speaker 4: So I recognize that. And now the woman who lived

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Speaker 4: in the house or the community, who had the good job.

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Speaker 1: That was able to donate to the thing and help

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Speaker 4: Sales and whatever the underground economy moving, she has also

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Speaker 4: lost her employment, her contracts, her ability to do mental

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Speaker 4: health support, youth programs. The Brothers who had money for,

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Speaker 4: you know, an addiction prevention program or Biden's prevention program

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Speaker 4: that there were all these socioeconomic conditions that had existed

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Speaker 4: is designed to remove whatever little bit of protections and

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Speaker 4: resources that we have from our community. And it's all

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Speaker 4: so all day long, I just do this.

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Speaker 1: That's my that's my.

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Speaker 4: Only different because it's just it's a lot and so

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Speaker 4: I think, you know, yes, black blessed and highly favored, but.

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Speaker 1: Experience and a lot.

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Speaker 4: Do you remember in twenty eighteen when we marched through

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Speaker 4: a monsoon for Blonso Castile and it we marched on

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Speaker 4: Castill was nothing. And we and the and the n

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Speaker 4: the killing of Filando Castill was for them to put

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Speaker 1: Of assault weapons.

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Speaker 4: And and I'm and I do believe in people's right

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Speaker 4: But I don't think people need assault weapons where they

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Speaker 1: So we want to make sure that. And I think

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Speaker 4: To have rigorous mental health and otherwise screening before you

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Speaker 1: Assault weapon where you could kill people in seconds.

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Speaker 4: Right, So that's where I stand that's where my politics lie.

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Speaker 4: And so when we started calling out the NRA, their

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Speaker 4: You remember, they put an ad on TV online and

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Speaker 3: With the lady's name who did it, and she said

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Speaker 1: I don't know where she is now, the CEO. I

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Speaker 4: Ana she was the CEO, did a piece I don't remember.

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Speaker 4: I think some of the other members of the Women's Marshals,

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Speaker 4: Linda Property was in it. I don't remember, but I

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Speaker 4: know that it was specifically targeting me and my the

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Speaker 4: rate of calls, the death threats, and the people showing

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Speaker 4: up at my speaking engagements, you know, with weapons and

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Speaker 4: all that stuff, and the security had to be increased.

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Speaker 1: It was a real thing because when the NRA puts

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Speaker 4: On you, the people who watched that and listen to it,

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Speaker 1: These are people who own weapons.

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Speaker 4: That's why they have access to the content, and they

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Speaker 1: So at that time they were like, you know, basically,

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Speaker 4: When they were asked to speak out on the situation

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Speaker 4: with Filando Castile because he was obviously a licensed gun

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Speaker 4: they police still shot him and killed him in front

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Speaker 4: include his name. They said full investigation, troubling investigation. Then they,

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Speaker 1: When they came. And this is before the women's mart

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Speaker 4: Then they came back with another statement that named Filando

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Speaker 4: why would you be talking about the training that citizens

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Speaker 1: Right, So they caught a lot of heat for being.

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Speaker 4: Ambiguous, taken a long time to respond, and then having

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Speaker 1: Statement is very clear.

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Speaker 4: The statement says, and I'm paraphrasing, you all can go

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Speaker 4: that it is dangerous. They have gone as far as

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Speaker 4: They have gone as far as to double down on

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Speaker 1: And it makes me think about which this isn't my

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Speaker 4: It makes me think about what examples white people need

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Speaker 4: to be looking at in this moment to understand the hypocrisy, right,

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Speaker 4: because I know white people are like, damn, some of

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Speaker 4: keep on coming at me. But it's things like what

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Speaker 4: out for you examples of the same thing happening.

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Speaker 1: And yet you as the NRA, which is an ultra

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Speaker 4: The they made the right choice to defend the white

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Speaker 1: In their first statements.

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Speaker 2: I mean, it's it's and that's why when people say

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Speaker 2: And that's why a lot of people are frustrated. And

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Speaker 2: And they keep saying, you know, lett them people go

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Speaker 2: very honest with it. And a lot of people don't notice.

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Speaker 2: But most of the rallies that I go to, when

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Speaker 2: it's big marches, it's not predominantly black people at these

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Speaker 2: This is just the reality situation, and it's been for

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Speaker 2: George Floyd. It's been for real and want people to right.

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Speaker 3: This is not this is not new.

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Speaker 2: So when people say, oh, let them people go, I'm

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Speaker 2: like them people been outside. I've been outside hand in

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Speaker 2: So at the same time, I do think that white

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Speaker 1: So we did that. We handled that already.

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Speaker 1: So she's coming up my thought of the day today.

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Speaker 4: So Renee Good, God bless her, because I can tell

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Speaker 4: The most of us think that that's probably the cause.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and that's I found that out.

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Speaker 2: Like you might just have somebody that y'all like sports together,

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Speaker 2: to tell you look the way from that boy, because

444
00:25:01,280 --> 00:25:02,320
Speaker 2: that boy is that way.

445
00:25:02,440 --> 00:25:04,560
Speaker 3: And that's that's the discernment that I have now.

446
00:25:04,680 --> 00:25:07,360
Speaker 2: So when I watch the way that y'all support somebody

447
00:25:07,400 --> 00:25:09,560
Speaker 2: like Trump, and just watch even what it is that

448
00:25:09,600 --> 00:25:12,000
Speaker 2: you support them in, it just shows me that in

449
00:25:12,080 --> 00:25:16,600
Speaker 2: any certain situations, you you might be detrimental to my survival.

450
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Speaker 1: Yeah, but you know what, my son, everything you just said,

451
00:25:21,560 --> 00:25:22,640
Speaker 1: and and.

452
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Speaker 4: There is a web that is almost cultish where there

453
00:25:29,200 --> 00:25:32,200
Speaker 4: were people who that's not who they were.

454
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Speaker 1: George Floyd, you know, Trayvon Martin.

455
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Speaker 3: We can go back because it wasn't trendy.

456
00:25:41,800 --> 00:25:45,240
Speaker 4: Well no, no, I mean, I mean I believe them.

457
00:25:45,400 --> 00:25:47,560
Speaker 4: I'm not even you're right that that could have been

458
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Speaker 4: the case, but I believed them that they were where

459
00:25:52,280 --> 00:25:55,919
Speaker 4: they were, but they had crossed over because they start

460
00:25:56,119 --> 00:26:00,680
Speaker 4: listening to those talking points and that propaganda machine.

461
00:26:01,240 --> 00:26:02,040
Speaker 1: It's so.

462
00:26:04,119 --> 00:26:07,840
Speaker 4: Back because I've watched people that I'm like, what are

463
00:26:07,880 --> 00:26:12,120
Speaker 4: you saying? Like the paid protesters. I have friends who

464
00:26:12,359 --> 00:26:16,080
Speaker 4: use that language now in conversation with me.

465
00:26:16,440 --> 00:26:17,439
Speaker 1: They use that langue to me.

466
00:26:17,560 --> 00:26:18,959
Speaker 4: I was having a conversation with a friend of mine

467
00:26:19,000 --> 00:26:21,160
Speaker 4: who is not a Trump supporter, who was a dear friend.

468
00:26:21,240 --> 00:26:23,480
Speaker 4: And awesome because they will know that I'm talking about them.

469
00:26:23,520 --> 00:26:25,159
Speaker 4: But I just want to say this, This just mean,

470
00:26:26,080 --> 00:26:28,080
Speaker 4: don't need to be no free busses. Don't need to

471
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Speaker 4: be no free busses. But then they and they said,

472
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Speaker 4: because I was on a bus and I almost got

473
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Speaker 4: staged by a person. Then they said, and then they said,

474
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Speaker 4: and Johnny was on the bus and got wronged. And

475
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Speaker 4: then Sarah was on the bus and was spit on

476
00:26:45,160 --> 00:26:48,639
Speaker 4: and and and Poky was pissed on. And they said,

477
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Speaker 4: so it can't be no free busses. I said, So,

478
00:26:50,720 --> 00:26:53,399
Speaker 4: what you're telling me is that all those people paid

479
00:26:53,440 --> 00:26:56,280
Speaker 4: their fare and that shit still happened. All of the

480
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Speaker 4: scenarios that you laid out still have been with.

481
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Speaker 3: The fair exactly. So exactly, so.

482
00:27:06,720 --> 00:27:09,840
Speaker 4: You might make it free and include mental health expert

483
00:27:09,920 --> 00:27:14,760
Speaker 4: because clearly the money is not the thing is that

484
00:27:15,200 --> 00:27:18,320
Speaker 4: that is protecting you from violence. So, but this is

485
00:27:18,359 --> 00:27:20,840
Speaker 4: some of the my thought of the day to day

486
00:27:21,640 --> 00:27:26,240
Speaker 4: is that as we analyze and watch closely for people

487
00:27:26,680 --> 00:27:32,040
Speaker 4: who have been advocates at one point or another for

488
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Speaker 4: the fight for justice and for fairness and for equity,

489
00:27:39,720 --> 00:27:45,040
Speaker 4: and we watched them disappear from this conversation and not

490
00:27:45,280 --> 00:27:48,160
Speaker 4: speak at a time that you would think they would

491
00:27:48,280 --> 00:27:52,720
Speaker 4: use their mega platforms to be a part of the

492
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Speaker 4: dialogue to educate and to advocate.

493
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Speaker 2: But the and that's what I'm saying, people like convenience, right,

494
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Speaker 2: And when we talk when we talk about civil rights leaders, right,

495
00:28:03,720 --> 00:28:06,200
Speaker 2: our civil rights leaders, we talk about how many times

496
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Speaker 2: even Al Sharpton and they tried to throw l under

497
00:28:09,160 --> 00:28:11,240
Speaker 2: the bus and all of this. Our Shopton went to

498
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Speaker 2: jail a lot of times. Our Shopton was stabbed in jail.

499
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Speaker 1: And that's what I'm trying to say.

500
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Speaker 2: Exactly, Martin Luther King went to jail over fifty something

501
00:28:23,400 --> 00:28:27,919
Speaker 2: like like people actually sacled. There was real sacrifice, you

502
00:28:27,960 --> 00:28:31,879
Speaker 2: understand I'm saying. So we've been, we've been, we have

503
00:28:32,080 --> 00:28:36,760
Speaker 2: been pampered in a time where civil rights was trendy.

504
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Speaker 2: Even though it was a lot of people that actually

505
00:28:39,680 --> 00:28:43,000
Speaker 2: did things, there weren't people that really were making much sacrifice.

506
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Speaker 3: They were able to.

507
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Speaker 2: Make a speech, they were able to go a rally,

508
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Speaker 2: and they were able to, you know, figure out how

509
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Speaker 2: to navigate.

510
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Speaker 3: It was not really much.

511
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Speaker 2: Now right now, when you are anti this government, they

512
00:28:55,400 --> 00:28:58,000
Speaker 2: are going to be very real consequences.

513
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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, and this and this is what I'm saying.

514
00:29:01,560 --> 00:29:03,560
Speaker 3: And we understand that.

515
00:29:04,240 --> 00:29:06,520
Speaker 2: And it's people like us that understand that, and we're

516
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Speaker 2: prepared for that because we actually had to do some

517
00:29:08,840 --> 00:29:11,320
Speaker 2: of those things with Breonna Taylor and during the George

518
00:29:11,320 --> 00:29:13,760
Speaker 2: flood we actually curioced it, so we actually had to

519
00:29:13,840 --> 00:29:17,120
Speaker 2: do those things. But the average person who you thought

520
00:29:17,200 --> 00:29:20,280
Speaker 2: was loud and this and that. They never really did that.

521
00:29:19,760 --> 00:29:22,800
Speaker 2: They did some social media, they did it convenient. They

522
00:29:22,880 --> 00:29:26,480
Speaker 2: was able to say real strong things and get but

523
00:29:26,680 --> 00:29:29,920
Speaker 2: they never really understood what it was like to be

524
00:29:29,960 --> 00:29:32,320
Speaker 2: in the front line with tear gas and be surrounded

525
00:29:32,320 --> 00:29:36,040
Speaker 2: by trumpers with guns in their hands saying where you going.

526
00:29:35,800 --> 00:29:39,520
Speaker 1: And have to all lives matter, all.

527
00:29:39,400 --> 00:29:42,280
Speaker 2: Lives matter, with guns in their hands surrounding us, and

528
00:29:42,320 --> 00:29:44,600
Speaker 2: I had to protect and say nobody's doing nothing to

529
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Speaker 2: the females and get in front of them and we

530
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Speaker 2: had to go chests like They never had to deal

531
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Speaker 2: with that. They never had the sense of their life

532
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Speaker 2: not being there.

533
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Speaker 4: And in this moment, we're still not speaking to what

534
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Speaker 4: I'm talking about.

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Speaker 1: You're speaking to the fear aspect.

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Speaker 4: And I'm saying the majority of or the general consensus

537
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Speaker 4: of thought, is that those individuals who are saying less

538
00:30:12,600 --> 00:30:16,240
Speaker 4: or not saying anything at all, are dealing with fear

539
00:30:16,360 --> 00:30:19,240
Speaker 4: for various reasons. What I might lose, how I could

540
00:30:19,280 --> 00:30:21,560
Speaker 4: get harms hurt, this, that and the third and that

541
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Speaker 4: is a bucket I'm with. I'm saying, my thought of

542
00:30:25,360 --> 00:30:29,000
Speaker 4: the day today is focused on some of the people

543
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Speaker 4: as we analyze their disappearance.

544
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Speaker 3: They're just.

545
00:30:35,080 --> 00:30:37,000
Speaker 1: What I'm saying of my thought.

546
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Speaker 4: Of the day today is that as we analyze people

547
00:30:42,200 --> 00:30:45,840
Speaker 4: who have exited the chat, and we're trying to figure

548
00:30:45,880 --> 00:30:49,600
Speaker 4: out with a million videos of where the celebrities and

549
00:30:49,640 --> 00:30:53,520
Speaker 4: the influencers and the people with big profiles and platforms,

550
00:30:53,880 --> 00:30:57,480
Speaker 4: where are they to speak out on these issues and

551
00:30:57,520 --> 00:31:01,040
Speaker 4: to use their platform to stay with those of us

552
00:31:01,080 --> 00:31:06,000
Speaker 4: who are actively in resistance. You're thinking it might be fair,

553
00:31:06,200 --> 00:31:08,640
Speaker 4: And I'm telling you that I am now beginning to

554
00:31:08,760 --> 00:31:14,560
Speaker 4: understand Lizzo's point that they might be Trump supporters. They

555
00:31:14,640 --> 00:31:18,000
Speaker 4: may have voted for Donald Trump, and they may.

556
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Speaker 1: Still be waiting to see how his policies will impact

557
00:31:23,880 --> 00:31:25,280
Speaker 1: them and allow them.

558
00:31:25,120 --> 00:31:28,400
Speaker 4: To either get richer and or hold on to the

559
00:31:28,400 --> 00:31:29,960
Speaker 4: wealth that they currently had.

560
00:31:30,360 --> 00:31:31,480
Speaker 3: Sounds about right to me.

561
00:31:31,760 --> 00:31:34,160
Speaker 2: You know, I never really thought about that, but it

562
00:31:34,280 --> 00:31:37,680
Speaker 2: definitely sounds like that might be the situation because a

563
00:31:37,720 --> 00:31:41,080
Speaker 2: lot of people that I never knew what Trump's supporters

564
00:31:41,120 --> 00:31:43,520
Speaker 2: just come out the wing and now they just said, well,

565
00:31:44,040 --> 00:31:47,120
Speaker 2: you know, maybe it's not that, maybe maybe this and

566
00:31:47,360 --> 00:31:51,120
Speaker 2: well nobody said this with Obama and Joe Biden didn't

567
00:31:51,120 --> 00:31:54,760
Speaker 2: do this, Sleepy Joe Biden and Kamalo was laughing too much,

568
00:31:55,040 --> 00:31:58,360
Speaker 2: and it's like, wow, we did all this come from?

569
00:31:58,720 --> 00:32:00,680
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying, because now now you can

570
00:32:00,720 --> 00:32:04,680
Speaker 2: pare it the popular and the algorithm, and they feel like,

571
00:32:04,760 --> 00:32:07,080
Speaker 2: since the algorithm shows them so much, that they in

572
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Speaker 2: the majority.

573
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Speaker 3: And you might be.

574
00:32:08,680 --> 00:32:13,640
Speaker 2: Right, but as time goes on, it'll reveal itself absolutely.

575
00:32:14,040 --> 00:32:16,360
Speaker 3: Now let's go to our Okay.

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00:32:16,080 --> 00:32:20,960
Speaker 4: So listen, family. You know, I don't even know where

577
00:32:21,000 --> 00:32:29,720
Speaker 4: to begin. It's interesting that when federal agents started following

578
00:32:30,640 --> 00:32:34,360
Speaker 4: Don Lemmon last week, it's been you know, all the

579
00:32:34,440 --> 00:32:37,880
Speaker 4: days seemed to be running together. There was one person

580
00:32:38,680 --> 00:32:40,960
Speaker 4: who was on the phone call and everybody who needed

581
00:32:41,000 --> 00:32:44,240
Speaker 4: to know this was happening in New York and calling

582
00:32:44,320 --> 00:32:46,120
Speaker 4: everybody needs to know, saying.

583
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Speaker 1: Pay attention, be ready the messing with Don.

584
00:32:51,000 --> 00:32:54,720
Speaker 4: This is going to get more intense no matter what

585
00:32:54,880 --> 00:32:57,000
Speaker 4: happens today or tomorrow, these people are not.

586
00:32:57,000 --> 00:33:01,280
Speaker 1: Going to leave him alone. And it was Monique Presley

587
00:33:01,320 --> 00:33:02,440
Speaker 1: who was our guest today.

588
00:33:04,000 --> 00:33:07,400
Speaker 4: I just want to say for the record that this

589
00:33:07,560 --> 00:33:12,880
Speaker 4: is the same woman who was there every single day

590
00:33:13,560 --> 00:33:19,880
Speaker 4: with our sister, Marilyn Moseby as she was experiencing what

591
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Speaker 4: I don't know the most just an injustice after being

592
00:33:25,160 --> 00:33:32,160
Speaker 4: the Baltimore States Attorney and prosecuting officers around the murder

593
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Speaker 4: of Freddie Gray. The retaliation was to come after her

594
00:33:37,440 --> 00:33:42,360
Speaker 4: for some mortgage thing that ended up being all about

595
00:33:42,400 --> 00:33:46,640
Speaker 4: a piece of land about nothing, and Monique Presley again

596
00:33:47,320 --> 00:33:50,640
Speaker 4: was making every phone call possible to everybody to say,

597
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Speaker 4: we need people to get in, get.

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Speaker 1: In, do what you need to do.

599
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Speaker 4: And so if I'm in trouble, my son and the

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00:33:58,720 --> 00:34:01,320
Speaker 4: world which I had and she's also made for.

601
00:34:01,960 --> 00:34:04,120
Speaker 1: But if I'm in any trouble and the.

602
00:34:04,240 --> 00:34:09,200
Speaker 4: Law is involved, please go get Monye pressed.

603
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Speaker 1: Don't worry.

604
00:34:09,680 --> 00:34:13,680
Speaker 4: I just call her and she will make every phone call,

605
00:34:13,880 --> 00:34:17,440
Speaker 4: show her up, fight and everything. And so I just

606
00:34:17,480 --> 00:34:19,359
Speaker 4: want to say thank you Monique for that. And if

607
00:34:19,400 --> 00:34:20,520
Speaker 4: you don't know, you.

608
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Speaker 1: Should be following Monique. She is the host of The

609
00:34:23,440 --> 00:34:24,600
Speaker 1: Monique Presley.

610
00:34:24,320 --> 00:34:29,520
Speaker 4: Show on YouTube, but she is a legal analyst and

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00:34:29,640 --> 00:34:34,840
Speaker 4: expert who's on shows across networks and just a big

612
00:34:34,880 --> 00:34:38,640
Speaker 4: sister friend and also an advisor to Attorney Ben Crump,

613
00:34:38,680 --> 00:34:41,480
Speaker 4: which is a major role that she plays. And our

614
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Speaker 4: friend and SOK you and welcome to the tam My

615
00:34:46,760 --> 00:34:50,239
Speaker 4: Show tonight. Because somebody got to tell the people what's

616
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Speaker 4: going on. It's so good to be back with you, guys.

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Speaker 5: And even as you say that, it's funny, because it

618
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Speaker 5: wasn't until you said it that I realized how many

619
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Speaker 5: times I do think that you need a spirit of

620
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Speaker 5: discernment in this work.

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Speaker 1: And I know that you have it, my son. I

622
00:35:08,960 --> 00:35:10,400
Speaker 1: know that you have it, Tamika.

623
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Speaker 5: And sometimes things will happen. It'll be like, yeah, that's

624
00:35:15,080 --> 00:35:18,440
Speaker 5: all right, let's wait, let's not go. And sometimes things

625
00:35:18,640 --> 00:35:20,399
Speaker 5: will happen and something and you'll be.

626
00:35:20,320 --> 00:35:23,719
Speaker 4: Like, oh no, everybody needs to know.

627
00:35:23,880 --> 00:35:24,360
Speaker 1: Right now.

628
00:35:24,480 --> 00:35:27,239
Speaker 5: I don't know what's going to happen. But when I

629
00:35:27,320 --> 00:35:29,120
Speaker 5: tell you, when I.

630
00:35:29,160 --> 00:35:34,800
Speaker 4: Sent you that message, I had texted formal White House

631
00:35:34,880 --> 00:35:40,560
Speaker 4: people who and it all today made sense because everybody

632
00:35:40,640 --> 00:35:43,600
Speaker 4: started working because I had given everybody an on ramp.

633
00:35:44,400 --> 00:35:46,480
Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm in told y'all for two weeks this

634
00:35:46,719 --> 00:35:51,200
Speaker 1: was about to be really bad. Like but for Don yes,

635
00:35:51,719 --> 00:35:53,200
Speaker 1: because I knew when I knew.

636
00:35:53,239 --> 00:35:57,840
Speaker 5: When I knew, I was like, oh no, they won't

637
00:35:57,880 --> 00:36:02,759
Speaker 5: let this go. And and when he told, because I

638
00:36:02,840 --> 00:36:07,040
Speaker 5: with crisis managers, if something happens and a client or

639
00:36:07,080 --> 00:36:10,680
Speaker 5: whoever says, well, this happened, or I just said this

640
00:36:10,920 --> 00:36:15,399
Speaker 5: or this bad negative thing. Crisis Manager book is, We're

641
00:36:15,400 --> 00:36:17,960
Speaker 5: gonna wait that twenty four hours. We're gonna see if

642
00:36:17,960 --> 00:36:21,640
Speaker 5: the story starts dissipating and things start de escalating, or

643
00:36:21,760 --> 00:36:22,680
Speaker 5: things are ramping up.

644
00:36:22,680 --> 00:36:23,719
Speaker 1: And we're looking at the data.

645
00:36:23,719 --> 00:36:26,239
Speaker 5: We're looking at social media, we're looking at who's commenting,

646
00:36:26,360 --> 00:36:27,680
Speaker 5: what kind of check marks they have.

647
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Speaker 4: We're just looking like, I don't know if this is

648
00:36:30,800 --> 00:36:32,479
Speaker 4: a crisis. I don't even know if this is gonna

649
00:36:32,480 --> 00:36:35,920
Speaker 4: be a crisis. And so I was waiting that twenty

650
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Speaker 4: four hours.

651
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Speaker 1: I'm dawn.

652
00:36:39,000 --> 00:36:44,279
Speaker 4: From when he noticed that people were outside from when

653
00:36:44,520 --> 00:36:47,960
Speaker 4: they had been in the church, and then when a

654
00:36:48,000 --> 00:36:50,040
Speaker 4: little over twenty four hours later he called me and

655
00:36:50,040 --> 00:36:51,400
Speaker 4: said they had followed him to dinner.

656
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Speaker 1: I was like, oh, okay, no, we're there. Crisis.

657
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Speaker 5: Yeah, it might not happen tonight, but they intend to

658
00:37:00,640 --> 00:37:06,080
Speaker 5: do something, because you don't send unmarked cars, playing clothes

659
00:37:06,200 --> 00:37:09,879
Speaker 5: agents following people at their homes. And multiple people who

660
00:37:09,920 --> 00:37:11,920
Speaker 5: were there had told me that they were being surveilled

661
00:37:12,000 --> 00:37:14,799
Speaker 5: in that manner. So I'm like, okay, they have what

662
00:37:14,840 --> 00:37:15,760
Speaker 5: we call drop.

663
00:37:15,560 --> 00:37:19,840
Speaker 4: The net, and they got eyes on everybody and that

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Speaker 4: means we now have to get information.

665
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Speaker 1: And so that's when I started texting.

666
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Speaker 5: Steve, Benjamin and them, Angela y In them, Tamika and them,

667
00:37:30,400 --> 00:37:36,440
Speaker 5: Menon and them. Ery body who I knew would if

668
00:37:36,480 --> 00:37:39,400
Speaker 5: they heard from me say, Okay, Monique's not nuts.

669
00:37:39,520 --> 00:37:42,239
Speaker 1: She doesn't sound on the alarm every other day, but

670
00:37:42,440 --> 00:37:44,160
Speaker 1: this is a thing, right.

671
00:37:44,480 --> 00:37:48,120
Speaker 5: And so then when we lived when the justice system

672
00:37:48,280 --> 00:37:53,440
Speaker 5: said no, if the magistrate said I'm not doing the warrant,

673
00:37:53,880 --> 00:37:55,759
Speaker 5: the chief judge said, I'm.

674
00:37:55,480 --> 00:37:59,120
Speaker 1: Backing the magistrate. The appellate court said, y'all are dumb.

675
00:37:59,200 --> 00:38:01,759
Speaker 1: This is not an amer urgency. We could breathe for

676
00:38:01,800 --> 00:38:02,520
Speaker 1: a little while.

677
00:38:02,840 --> 00:38:06,040
Speaker 5: But I was on Don Show three times in this

678
00:38:06,120 --> 00:38:10,160
Speaker 5: past week, and one time Don asked Charles Coleman and

679
00:38:10,239 --> 00:38:13,319
Speaker 5: I were on there, and somebody was like, well, I'm

680
00:38:13,360 --> 00:38:15,960
Speaker 5: just glad we got past this and they see the

681
00:38:16,000 --> 00:38:18,560
Speaker 5: air of their ways, and I was like, no, they

682
00:38:18,560 --> 00:38:23,040
Speaker 5: don't don knew. I knew, But Charles and I together

683
00:38:23,160 --> 00:38:28,440
Speaker 5: said no, they have one more play and the grand

684
00:38:28,520 --> 00:38:32,279
Speaker 5: jury can indict a ham Sandwich. They didn't want to

685
00:38:32,320 --> 00:38:37,120
Speaker 5: go that route because they know that whatever evidence they

686
00:38:37,120 --> 00:38:39,439
Speaker 5: have or don't have, is the strength of their case.

687
00:38:39,440 --> 00:38:40,239
Speaker 1: When they go in court.

688
00:38:40,280 --> 00:38:42,279
Speaker 5: It would be so much better if a judge was

689
00:38:42,320 --> 00:38:45,480
Speaker 5: willing to verify and say, we looked at.

690
00:38:45,320 --> 00:38:50,719
Speaker 4: Your charges, and I be in a federal court magistrate

691
00:38:51,120 --> 00:38:52,640
Speaker 4: say that there's probable cause.

692
00:38:52,680 --> 00:38:54,960
Speaker 5: But the federal magistrates were not willing to do that.

693
00:38:55,239 --> 00:38:59,600
Speaker 5: So they go to a jury and the level of

694
00:38:59,640 --> 00:39:03,520
Speaker 5: proof lower, and the prosecutor goes in there and the

695
00:39:03,560 --> 00:39:06,560
Speaker 5: defendant can't be in there. The defendant's lawyer can't be

696
00:39:06,600 --> 00:39:09,239
Speaker 5: in there, because if the defendant isn't testifying, then defendant's

697
00:39:09,320 --> 00:39:12,359
Speaker 5: lawyer can't be in there. We have no idea what

698
00:39:12,440 --> 00:39:14,799
Speaker 5: whoever they paid to go into that.

699
00:39:14,920 --> 00:39:19,239
Speaker 4: Grand jury, what they said, They said whatever they needed

700
00:39:19,280 --> 00:39:20,719
Speaker 4: to say in order to.

701
00:39:20,640 --> 00:39:23,719
Speaker 5: Get that indictment, and it will never be known. It

702
00:39:23,760 --> 00:39:27,719
Speaker 5: doesn't enter into evidence. It's a closed, siloed part of

703
00:39:27,760 --> 00:39:28,440
Speaker 5: a proceeding.

704
00:39:29,400 --> 00:39:31,840
Speaker 3: So what do you what's what do you think happens next?

705
00:39:32,880 --> 00:39:34,359
Speaker 1: It's going to it's going to court.

706
00:39:34,400 --> 00:39:37,000
Speaker 5: It's not going to go to trial necessarily, they're going

707
00:39:37,080 --> 00:39:38,839
Speaker 5: to have an initial.

708
00:39:40,680 --> 00:39:43,280
Speaker 1: For cernel cases, discovery is a little faster.

709
00:39:44,880 --> 00:39:46,600
Speaker 3: What are exactly charges?

710
00:39:47,880 --> 00:39:49,320
Speaker 1: So he was charged?

711
00:39:49,360 --> 00:39:55,320
Speaker 5: Well, the four today were charged with the same charges

712
00:39:55,480 --> 00:39:59,600
Speaker 5: as the prior people who were charged and that eighteen Usc.

713
00:39:59,760 --> 00:40:05,440
Speaker 1: Two in eighteen Usc. Two forty eight, eighteen Usc. Two

714
00:40:05,560 --> 00:40:07,520
Speaker 1: forty one is.

715
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Speaker 5: The Face Act, and it is the body of legislation

716
00:40:11,960 --> 00:40:17,879
Speaker 5: that prevents intimidation in areas like abortion clinics, where you

717
00:40:17,920 --> 00:40:21,560
Speaker 5: can't prevent people from being able to access that care.

718
00:40:22,120 --> 00:40:27,560
Speaker 5: Never mind that this administration does not enforce that at all.

719
00:40:27,880 --> 00:40:29,719
Speaker 3: I've never seen, I've never heard.

720
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Speaker 5: Where what it is written for is supposed to be

721
00:40:32,440 --> 00:40:36,839
Speaker 5: enforced prior administrations. Yes, but this legislation dates back to

722
00:40:37,000 --> 00:40:39,760
Speaker 5: I think Senator Ted Kennedy, and one of the ways

723
00:40:39,760 --> 00:40:42,120
Speaker 5: that they got it across the finish line was by

724
00:40:42,160 --> 00:40:43,200
Speaker 5: including churches.

725
00:40:44,320 --> 00:40:45,719
Speaker 1: So it was that you.

726
00:40:45,680 --> 00:40:52,239
Speaker 4: Can't prevent access or enjoyment, exercise of your rights to

727
00:40:52,440 --> 00:40:57,879
Speaker 4: be in a church service, uninterrupted exercise of your rights

728
00:40:57,880 --> 00:41:00,399
Speaker 4: to be at an abortion clinic, to access go into

729
00:41:00,440 --> 00:41:03,520
Speaker 4: an abortion clinic, because there were protesters who used to

730
00:41:03,520 --> 00:41:08,360
Speaker 4: be blocking women where it couldn't go in right twenty four.

731
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Speaker 1: Eighteen Usc. Two forty eight is the historical kkk AT.

732
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Speaker 4: It is the act that was written in order to

733
00:41:20,560 --> 00:41:24,799
Speaker 4: prevent intimidation by the Klan, and that's what they have

734
00:41:25,000 --> 00:41:27,239
Speaker 4: used to charge to.

735
00:41:28,840 --> 00:41:33,200
Speaker 1: Independent journalists black Man and black Woman.

736
00:41:33,760 --> 00:41:39,440
Speaker 4: They have used the Face Act, which is for abortion clinics,

737
00:41:39,640 --> 00:41:43,320
Speaker 4: and they have used the kkk AT that was written

738
00:41:43,360 --> 00:41:50,759
Speaker 4: to keep the clan from intimidating people in public spaces.

739
00:41:50,480 --> 00:41:54,319
Speaker 4: That's that's the they are. We know for sure that

740
00:41:54,840 --> 00:42:00,160
Speaker 4: Don was not a protester. He wasn't involved in and

741
00:42:00,360 --> 00:42:05,320
Speaker 4: organizing or being with the protesters, Nor was Georgia.

742
00:42:06,040 --> 00:42:07,680
Speaker 1: Nor was Georgia.

743
00:42:07,880 --> 00:42:11,000
Speaker 4: And that does not mean because I hadn't heard him

744
00:42:11,040 --> 00:42:15,160
Speaker 4: say that, you know, he doesn't support the movement or

745
00:42:15,200 --> 00:42:17,120
Speaker 4: any of that. So that's not because I don't want

746
00:42:17,160 --> 00:42:22,680
Speaker 4: people to start making a distinction that it doesn't mean

747
00:42:22,760 --> 00:42:25,400
Speaker 4: legend he doesn't exactly. It doesn't mean he does or

748
00:42:25,400 --> 00:42:30,520
Speaker 4: he doesn't. This is not about whatever his feelings may be,

749
00:42:30,520 --> 00:42:33,640
Speaker 4: because we can't prosecute on feelings, right. This has to

750
00:42:33,680 --> 00:42:37,600
Speaker 4: be based upon fact, and the fact is he was

751
00:42:37,719 --> 00:42:41,799
Speaker 4: not a part of the actual protest. He went in

752
00:42:42,480 --> 00:42:49,520
Speaker 4: to get reaction from many people about what was happening,

753
00:42:49,600 --> 00:42:51,480
Speaker 4: all the things the church near.

754
00:42:51,600 --> 00:42:53,360
Speaker 5: I don't know if he even went into your reaction.

755
00:42:53,480 --> 00:42:56,120
Speaker 5: I think he went in to cover it as happening.

756
00:42:56,480 --> 00:42:59,480
Speaker 5: He went into document it. He went in with his

757
00:42:59,600 --> 00:43:02,839
Speaker 5: camera us with his people who were there, and they

758
00:43:02,960 --> 00:43:03,880
Speaker 5: covered what was happening.

759
00:43:03,960 --> 00:43:05,799
Speaker 1: He said, over and over again, I'm not with.

760
00:43:05,840 --> 00:43:12,400
Speaker 4: The protesters, I am observing, i am recording, I'm live

761
00:43:12,520 --> 00:43:16,200
Speaker 4: right now, and I'm asking for reaction. So he interviewed,

762
00:43:16,560 --> 00:43:19,600
Speaker 4: But let me ask protesters and acts. That's what I

763
00:43:19,600 --> 00:43:21,800
Speaker 4: want to say, because he was talking to a white

764
00:43:21,920 --> 00:43:28,719
Speaker 4: man who had a microphone eared the mouth, and I'm

765
00:43:28,760 --> 00:43:31,520
Speaker 4: trying to I want to know, is that the pastor

766
00:43:31,800 --> 00:43:36,400
Speaker 4: or somebody from the church, because I don't think the

767
00:43:36,440 --> 00:43:41,640
Speaker 4: protesters had a microphone eared the mouth speaking inside the church,

768
00:43:41,719 --> 00:43:46,040
Speaker 4: So if I think that that is him getting also

769
00:43:46,200 --> 00:43:50,840
Speaker 4: interviewing as a journalist, the people who were in worship

770
00:43:51,440 --> 00:43:54,600
Speaker 4: who were talking to him, from what I could see,

771
00:43:54,960 --> 00:43:58,359
Speaker 4: they didn't seem to be threatened. They weren't saying get out,

772
00:43:58,400 --> 00:44:00,919
Speaker 4: get out. They were they never asked him to leave.

773
00:44:01,600 --> 00:44:05,040
Speaker 5: And yes, it was not David Eastwood, who was the

774
00:44:05,080 --> 00:44:09,360
Speaker 5: one who is the regional director of ICE, who the

775
00:44:09,480 --> 00:44:12,320
Speaker 5: lead pastor. The reason why they chose the pop up people,

776
00:44:12,480 --> 00:44:15,560
Speaker 5: The reason why they chose that place was because it

777
00:44:15,680 --> 00:44:17,160
Speaker 5: is pastored.

778
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Speaker 1: By someone whose day job is regional.

779
00:44:20,200 --> 00:44:26,200
Speaker 4: Director of ICE, right, And so their thought was here's

780
00:44:26,239 --> 00:44:30,680
Speaker 4: this man saying he loves God, loves people, but he's

781
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Speaker 4: part of responsible.

782
00:44:32,080 --> 00:44:35,120
Speaker 1: For why we're out here, why people have dying.

783
00:44:35,640 --> 00:44:39,200
Speaker 4: It was only Renee, not Renee and nurse Pretti at

784
00:44:39,200 --> 00:44:42,160
Speaker 4: that point, but why people were being injured, White people

785
00:44:42,200 --> 00:44:43,239
Speaker 4: were being snatched.

786
00:44:43,680 --> 00:44:46,520
Speaker 1: They were saying, this is a joke. That's not who

787
00:44:46,560 --> 00:44:46,960
Speaker 1: you are.

788
00:44:48,160 --> 00:44:50,719
Speaker 5: But he either was not there by the time they

789
00:44:50,760 --> 00:44:53,239
Speaker 5: went in, or he's scurried along by the time they

790
00:44:53,280 --> 00:44:53,600
Speaker 5: went in.

791
00:44:54,080 --> 00:44:56,480
Speaker 1: And so it was the minister who was up and

792
00:44:56,520 --> 00:44:56,960
Speaker 1: having the.

793
00:44:56,920 --> 00:45:01,160
Speaker 5: Service who took the time to be interviewed Don and

794
00:45:01,320 --> 00:45:03,480
Speaker 5: did not ask Don.

795
00:45:03,320 --> 00:45:06,839
Speaker 1: To leave, nor is camera to leave, but instead engaged

796
00:45:07,040 --> 00:45:08,440
Speaker 1: in this interview.

797
00:45:08,520 --> 00:45:11,520
Speaker 5: It's hard to trespass when nobody tells you you're trespassing,

798
00:45:11,800 --> 00:45:14,279
Speaker 5: especially when it's a public place like a church.

799
00:45:15,360 --> 00:45:17,839
Speaker 3: Exactly right, That's the main thing I was saying.

800
00:45:17,840 --> 00:45:21,239
Speaker 2: I would say, because I don't know the legal you know,

801
00:45:22,120 --> 00:45:24,479
Speaker 2: I don't know the legal jogging or just the law

802
00:45:24,920 --> 00:45:27,520
Speaker 2: around it, but I know that church is people usually

803
00:45:27,560 --> 00:45:30,759
Speaker 2: walk into the church all the time. You know, you're

804
00:45:30,760 --> 00:45:34,399
Speaker 2: able to walk in and you can talk to the past,

805
00:45:34,560 --> 00:45:36,400
Speaker 2: you can have conversations, you can do that. So I

806
00:45:36,440 --> 00:45:39,680
Speaker 2: don't know if that would be even considered trespassed.

807
00:45:40,920 --> 00:45:43,960
Speaker 1: No, churches are public spaces, and this is one.

808
00:45:44,280 --> 00:45:49,600
Speaker 5: Churches are public places on private property, and in the law,

809
00:45:50,120 --> 00:45:53,759
Speaker 5: even though the private the property is private, you are.

810
00:45:54,040 --> 00:45:58,080
Speaker 5: Anybody is welcome in the church. That's how a man

811
00:45:58,160 --> 00:46:01,360
Speaker 5: could walk into a church and kill an amage nine,

812
00:46:01,800 --> 00:46:04,840
Speaker 5: because we let everybody come in, right, people, Nobody brings

813
00:46:04,840 --> 00:46:08,360
Speaker 5: that up right now because this offense, where there was

814
00:46:08,400 --> 00:46:13,279
Speaker 5: no violence whatsoever, it's so heinous. But other dudes get

815
00:46:13,280 --> 00:46:18,480
Speaker 5: burger king right, So yes, anybody can come in now.

816
00:46:18,600 --> 00:46:22,359
Speaker 5: At the point that you disrupt the service, right, that's

817
00:46:22,400 --> 00:46:24,520
Speaker 5: civil disobedience.

818
00:46:24,040 --> 00:46:27,799
Speaker 4: And that has its own consequences, and you get to

819
00:46:27,920 --> 00:46:30,560
Speaker 4: fight and be heard in court, and a jury of

820
00:46:30,560 --> 00:46:33,000
Speaker 4: your peers if it gets to that point, make a

821
00:46:33,080 --> 00:46:35,960
Speaker 4: decision of whether they feel it was criminal intent.

822
00:46:36,160 --> 00:46:39,440
Speaker 3: But it's not the Face Act. It's not in KKKR.

823
00:46:39,600 --> 00:46:40,440
Speaker 3: I don't understand.

824
00:46:40,760 --> 00:46:43,640
Speaker 5: It's not the KKK Act. I don't know if it's

825
00:46:43,680 --> 00:46:45,560
Speaker 5: the Face Act or not. I'm gonna be a lawyer

826
00:46:45,560 --> 00:46:47,600
Speaker 5: for real with y'all, so that means I'm not gonna

827
00:46:47,640 --> 00:46:48,520
Speaker 5: pull any punches.

828
00:46:48,920 --> 00:46:52,880
Speaker 1: I don't know. Those protesters are.

829
00:46:52,320 --> 00:46:56,040
Speaker 5: Might end up facing some consequences that nobody else would

830
00:46:56,080 --> 00:46:59,680
Speaker 5: because this administration doesn't mind targeting people, and if they

831
00:46:59,719 --> 00:47:01,799
Speaker 5: can find a way to make it as serious as

832
00:47:02,200 --> 00:47:11,480
Speaker 5: humanly possible Lamonica mcgui ver, right, James James Comy, Fannie Willis, whomever, right,

833
00:47:11,920 --> 00:47:14,800
Speaker 5: Jern Powell, if they can figure out a way.

834
00:47:14,640 --> 00:47:18,479
Speaker 1: To change a misdemeanor to a felony, they're gonna do it.

835
00:47:18,880 --> 00:47:23,080
Speaker 5: And so that's part of what we as people who

836
00:47:23,160 --> 00:47:25,680
Speaker 5: are who consider ourselves in any way in the movement,

837
00:47:25,760 --> 00:47:29,120
Speaker 5: in any way organizers, in in any way activists, we

838
00:47:29,239 --> 00:47:33,640
Speaker 5: have to now know if we decide were going outdoors

839
00:47:34,360 --> 00:47:39,200
Speaker 5: right outdoors means if I get arrested this time, it

840
00:47:39,280 --> 00:47:41,799
Speaker 5: might not be enough to just make sure Monique has

841
00:47:41,800 --> 00:47:45,279
Speaker 5: our Orange vest On and has our bail money in fact,

842
00:47:45,400 --> 00:47:48,240
Speaker 5: because they might wait to arrest me on a Friday

843
00:47:48,239 --> 00:47:50,040
Speaker 5: and the hopes that they can keep me till on Monday,

844
00:47:50,040 --> 00:47:52,319
Speaker 5: because they know that that's the only way that they'll

845
00:47:52,320 --> 00:47:54,160
Speaker 5: get any jail time out of me at all, because

846
00:47:54,200 --> 00:47:59,120
Speaker 5: that's the way this administration functions. And so I can't

847
00:47:59,160 --> 00:48:02,520
Speaker 5: say whether this was or was not a violation of

848
00:48:02,560 --> 00:48:06,200
Speaker 5: the Face Act. What I can say, though, is it

849
00:48:06,280 --> 00:48:12,760
Speaker 5: is disproportionately applied and is not enforced across the board.

850
00:48:13,280 --> 00:48:19,080
Speaker 5: They are targeting different groups and then not enforcing with others.

851
00:48:19,160 --> 00:48:20,839
Speaker 1: All you gotta do is look at January sixth.

852
00:48:24,080 --> 00:48:27,400
Speaker 4: Wait, January sixth, you're going back into the archives.

853
00:48:27,680 --> 00:48:29,320
Speaker 1: Let's talk about three weeks.

854
00:48:29,040 --> 00:48:32,400
Speaker 4: Ago at Jamal Bryant's church where the white man walks

855
00:48:32,440 --> 00:48:36,000
Speaker 4: in there down there, and he looked like the KKK

856
00:48:36,360 --> 00:48:39,279
Speaker 4: by the way, he looked like in the movies that

857
00:48:39,360 --> 00:48:43,200
Speaker 4: you've watched from nineteen sixty when the Grand Wizard was

858
00:48:43,280 --> 00:48:46,680
Speaker 4: meeting with the men, the older men with the beard

859
00:48:46,800 --> 00:48:47,359
Speaker 4: and the thing.

860
00:48:47,520 --> 00:48:48,440
Speaker 1: That's what he looked like.

861
00:48:48,880 --> 00:48:54,560
Speaker 4: I mean, period, I haven't even heard at all. I

862
00:48:54,560 --> 00:48:57,279
Speaker 4: hadn't heard anything like I And when I say haven't

863
00:48:57,320 --> 00:48:59,960
Speaker 4: heard anything about this man walking around in Jamal bryan

864
00:49:00,120 --> 00:49:05,879
Speaker 4: In church having to be escorted out, screaming, pausing a disruption,

865
00:49:06,840 --> 00:49:09,920
Speaker 4: I could say he was blocking an entrance because he

866
00:49:10,040 --> 00:49:13,920
Speaker 4: was standing in front of a door that people used

867
00:49:13,920 --> 00:49:16,320
Speaker 4: to go in and out of the sanctuary from the hallway,

868
00:49:16,800 --> 00:49:19,000
Speaker 4: and it was him and his wife or something. Wasn't

869
00:49:19,040 --> 00:49:19,560
Speaker 4: it feel a bit?

870
00:49:20,320 --> 00:49:27,920
Speaker 5: But even after doctor Bryant posted about it, it's still nothing.

871
00:49:29,080 --> 00:49:32,040
Speaker 5: And he even said, Okay, if there's no such thing

872
00:49:32,080 --> 00:49:34,680
Speaker 5: as a black church or a white church, then why

873
00:49:35,080 --> 00:49:40,359
Speaker 5: and he gave the picture, why haven't you found you know, and.

874
00:49:40,280 --> 00:49:42,480
Speaker 1: His whoever his accomplice was.

875
00:49:43,120 --> 00:49:46,200
Speaker 4: And so I'm just I'm you know, because I sometimes

876
00:49:46,239 --> 00:49:50,000
Speaker 4: I worry that people it's so much going on that

877
00:49:50,080 --> 00:49:54,040
Speaker 4: our folks are folks, let's not say hour because one

878
00:49:54,080 --> 00:49:55,879
Speaker 4: thing we're not going to do is square is put

879
00:49:55,880 --> 00:49:56,920
Speaker 4: this squarely.

880
00:49:56,600 --> 00:49:57,640
Speaker 1: On black people.

881
00:49:57,880 --> 00:50:03,680
Speaker 4: Any folks can't keep up with all the moving pieces, right,

882
00:50:04,320 --> 00:50:08,719
Speaker 4: So you will hear people say, well, maybe they shouldn't

883
00:50:08,719 --> 00:50:11,040
Speaker 4: have and maybe don shouldn't and this and that, And

884
00:50:11,080 --> 00:50:13,640
Speaker 4: what we're saying is you get at least what I'm saying.

885
00:50:14,080 --> 00:50:17,480
Speaker 4: You can have your opinion whether you believe a protest

886
00:50:17,520 --> 00:50:19,880
Speaker 4: should or should not happen in the church, and therefore

887
00:50:19,920 --> 00:50:23,759
Speaker 4: you don't have to engage, right because that's your decision.

888
00:50:24,280 --> 00:50:27,080
Speaker 4: You can be a journalist who says, I don't go

889
00:50:27,200 --> 00:50:30,200
Speaker 4: that deep into the belly. I'm gonna stay on the

890
00:50:30,239 --> 00:50:32,960
Speaker 4: peripheral across the street, down the block and catch the

891
00:50:33,000 --> 00:50:35,680
Speaker 4: people when they go to the restroom at the McDonald's

892
00:50:35,719 --> 00:50:38,240
Speaker 4: after they finish protesting, you know, down the block.

893
00:50:38,960 --> 00:50:39,800
Speaker 1: Don Lemon ain't that.

894
00:50:39,960 --> 00:50:43,280
Speaker 4: He always has been the guy who crawls into the

895
00:50:43,400 --> 00:50:48,240
Speaker 4: crevices to get the real true story.

896
00:50:49,160 --> 00:50:52,160
Speaker 1: That's always been him. So that's what he was doing.

897
00:50:52,440 --> 00:50:55,040
Speaker 4: So you can argue all of that, but what you

898
00:50:55,320 --> 00:50:58,279
Speaker 4: can't argue, and that is what I feel like is

899
00:50:58,400 --> 00:51:04,080
Speaker 4: our fight is again the hypocrisy that is in how

900
00:51:04,480 --> 00:51:08,839
Speaker 4: they deal with the law and or not. And in

901
00:51:08,880 --> 00:51:12,719
Speaker 4: this case, we see clearly that there was a man

902
00:51:13,000 --> 00:51:16,600
Speaker 4: who went in and disrupted a service who has not

903
00:51:16,719 --> 00:51:18,880
Speaker 4: been named. I don't know that he's been Has he

904
00:51:18,960 --> 00:51:23,600
Speaker 4: been named that you no.

905
00:51:22,600 --> 00:51:24,360
Speaker 3: No, never never seen him since.

906
00:51:24,400 --> 00:51:26,040
Speaker 1: And nobody is trying to find him.

907
00:51:26,160 --> 00:51:27,440
Speaker 3: Nobody is trying to find him.

908
00:51:27,960 --> 00:51:30,359
Speaker 2: And I think because black we're used to that, right,

909
00:51:30,400 --> 00:51:32,600
Speaker 2: We used to disruption, we used to having to move

910
00:51:32,640 --> 00:51:33,080
Speaker 2: past it.

911
00:51:33,280 --> 00:51:35,799
Speaker 3: We're okay, he yelled on the screen. We don't care.

912
00:51:35,920 --> 00:51:38,400
Speaker 2: I mean, you know, we were on point, we watching

913
00:51:38,440 --> 00:51:41,000
Speaker 2: him because we making sure that he's not a physical threat.

914
00:51:41,080 --> 00:51:42,080
Speaker 3: So people were paying attention.

915
00:51:42,360 --> 00:51:44,440
Speaker 2: But at the end of the day, we're used to

916
00:51:44,480 --> 00:51:46,719
Speaker 2: people having their opinions, and we allow you to voice

917
00:51:46,719 --> 00:51:47,160
Speaker 2: your opinions.

918
00:51:47,200 --> 00:51:49,200
Speaker 3: Lords, you don't put your ends on us, and you

919
00:51:49,239 --> 00:51:49,680
Speaker 3: don't do that.

920
00:51:49,760 --> 00:51:52,279
Speaker 2: You can say whatever you want, but I think this

921
00:51:52,440 --> 00:51:54,160
Speaker 2: administration is time that we're in.

922
00:51:54,840 --> 00:51:56,600
Speaker 3: Everything that we do is going to be targeting.

923
00:51:56,600 --> 00:52:00,680
Speaker 2: And I heard a little bit of Don talking about

924
00:52:00,719 --> 00:52:05,399
Speaker 2: how this is how you know, authoritarians start, they eliminate

925
00:52:05,480 --> 00:52:08,960
Speaker 2: the media. You know, once they eliminate the media and

926
00:52:09,200 --> 00:52:12,240
Speaker 2: nobody's able to tell the story properly, then the world

927
00:52:12,280 --> 00:52:17,040
Speaker 2: believes everything that they get from, you know, the administration.

928
00:52:17,360 --> 00:52:20,360
Speaker 4: Yeah, And I said, Monigud, I want you to react

929
00:52:20,400 --> 00:52:23,480
Speaker 4: to this, and I said it and I was like, man,

930
00:52:23,560 --> 00:52:26,080
Speaker 4: I can't really say this publicly because people are going

931
00:52:26,160 --> 00:52:29,160
Speaker 4: to like lose it and not understand the context of

932
00:52:29,280 --> 00:52:32,960
Speaker 4: what I'm trying attempting to explain. But I think it

933
00:52:33,040 --> 00:52:37,520
Speaker 4: is worth saying that the killings of all the people

934
00:52:37,600 --> 00:52:40,840
Speaker 4: who have been named that have been killed or harmed

935
00:52:40,920 --> 00:52:45,240
Speaker 4: by ice and law enforcement in general, and of course

936
00:52:45,840 --> 00:52:52,000
Speaker 4: Keith Porter, renee Good and Alex pretty and these these

937
00:52:52,280 --> 00:52:56,799
Speaker 4: situations are severe. I mean, they're like critical, critical co

938
00:52:56,920 --> 00:53:01,000
Speaker 4: red state of emergency one hundred percent. But the arrest

939
00:53:01,280 --> 00:53:07,520
Speaker 4: of the journalists to me, rises to another level, right

940
00:53:07,640 --> 00:53:10,000
Speaker 4: And I'm and see you see what I'm saying about

941
00:53:10,000 --> 00:53:14,799
Speaker 4: why I'm careful. I don't want people to take out

942
00:53:14,800 --> 00:53:17,399
Speaker 4: of context what I'm saying that. I'm like, oh, those

943
00:53:17,480 --> 00:53:20,160
Speaker 4: those you know, the shooting, killing, abuse of people is

944
00:53:20,200 --> 00:53:25,680
Speaker 4: not as important. I'm just saying, when you understand history

945
00:53:26,400 --> 00:53:32,080
Speaker 4: and you see the arrest of officer I mean of journalists,

946
00:53:32,520 --> 00:53:38,759
Speaker 4: it is telling you a different story because we've always killed, harmed,

947
00:53:39,080 --> 00:53:45,799
Speaker 4: abused people who were participating in resistance, that and or

948
00:53:45,840 --> 00:53:49,120
Speaker 4: and or just everyday people. That's a that's that's an American.

949
00:53:49,520 --> 00:53:51,759
Speaker 4: That's as as American.

950
00:53:51,400 --> 00:53:53,040
Speaker 1: As apple pie. Right.

951
00:53:53,719 --> 00:53:59,520
Speaker 4: But when we start arresting and charging journalists for covering

952
00:53:59,600 --> 00:54:04,400
Speaker 4: the story, sorry, we are entering fascism.

953
00:54:05,480 --> 00:54:06,560
Speaker 1: On steroids.

954
00:54:06,800 --> 00:54:09,919
Speaker 4: And it means that we're getting closer to the fulfillment

955
00:54:10,360 --> 00:54:15,040
Speaker 4: of the project twenty twenty five authoritarianism plan. Do you

956
00:54:15,360 --> 00:54:19,320
Speaker 4: agree or do you feel like maybe I'm going too far.

957
00:54:21,719 --> 00:54:22,479
Speaker 1: Not far enough.

958
00:54:24,320 --> 00:54:35,319
Speaker 4: State sanctioned violence, state sanctioned murder is this country's origin story,

959
00:54:35,360 --> 00:54:40,640
Speaker 4: and it is our story still. So it's not George

960
00:54:40,680 --> 00:54:45,920
Speaker 4: Floyd story. It's not a Sonya Massy story, it's not

961
00:54:45,960 --> 00:54:51,120
Speaker 4: a both from John's story. It's not a Brianna story.

962
00:54:52,000 --> 00:54:53,200
Speaker 1: That's not what it is.

963
00:54:53,520 --> 00:55:01,080
Speaker 5: State sanctioned killing is. This is a calling card of

964
00:55:01,239 --> 00:55:08,560
Speaker 5: federal government here. The difference where that is concerned in

965
00:55:08,600 --> 00:55:09,560
Speaker 5: the past.

966
00:55:09,520 --> 00:55:11,720
Speaker 1: Weeks is old.

967
00:55:11,760 --> 00:55:16,719
Speaker 4: But white people too, right, because Ice don't care what

968
00:55:16,880 --> 00:55:17,680
Speaker 4: color you are.

969
00:55:18,440 --> 00:55:21,320
Speaker 1: Now Ice cares what side you're on.

970
00:55:21,640 --> 00:55:26,920
Speaker 4: Because the thuggery and the goonishnish of it is all

971
00:55:27,840 --> 00:55:33,719
Speaker 4: pro Trump pro They stuck us on these streets, and

972
00:55:33,760 --> 00:55:38,960
Speaker 4: they incentivize us with money per collar, the way that

973
00:55:39,120 --> 00:55:42,759
Speaker 4: when I first started doing policeman's conduct cases like that's

974
00:55:42,800 --> 00:55:48,120
Speaker 4: the bad, bad old days, and we're back there again,

975
00:55:48,520 --> 00:55:53,279
Speaker 4: except for with them having little to no training. And

976
00:55:53,520 --> 00:55:57,680
Speaker 4: when I say no training, I don't just mean they don't.

977
00:55:57,160 --> 00:55:58,279
Speaker 1: Have a stun gun.

978
00:55:58,360 --> 00:56:00,600
Speaker 5: They don't know how to use a baton, they don't

979
00:56:00,680 --> 00:56:03,239
Speaker 5: understand what a traffic stop is. They don't know how

980
00:56:03,280 --> 00:56:06,400
Speaker 5: to restrain and collar a suspect. They don't even know

981
00:56:06,400 --> 00:56:09,320
Speaker 5: how to do things that are now illegal, like putting

982
00:56:09,360 --> 00:56:12,520
Speaker 5: somebody prone and hog tying them. They can't even do

983
00:56:12,600 --> 00:56:16,240
Speaker 5: it halfway wrong the way people used to die. Sometimes

984
00:56:16,520 --> 00:56:20,400
Speaker 5: they only have these guns. So that's them. That's the

985
00:56:20,440 --> 00:56:23,759
Speaker 5: state sanction violence part of it. Right, But you are

986
00:56:23,920 --> 00:56:27,120
Speaker 5: right because that has always been with us, except for

987
00:56:27,160 --> 00:56:31,040
Speaker 5: now its white people. What we have that is worse

988
00:56:31,080 --> 00:56:37,760
Speaker 5: than that is state policy, because when you go after

989
00:56:37,800 --> 00:56:43,040
Speaker 5: these journalists, it's not on street some thug got mad

990
00:56:43,840 --> 00:56:48,120
Speaker 5: and pulled their weapon and killed somebody and then clapped.

991
00:56:49,200 --> 00:56:53,759
Speaker 4: That's bad, that's horrible. But we have seen that, and

992
00:56:54,520 --> 00:56:58,120
Speaker 4: god knows how many times the cameras weren't there for

993
00:56:58,400 --> 00:57:05,560
Speaker 4: us to see it. This, though, is we want to

994
00:57:05,719 --> 00:57:12,920
Speaker 4: prosecute them. We will deliver warrants, We will spend tax dollars,

995
00:57:13,400 --> 00:57:16,880
Speaker 4: We will pursue them with the full weight of the

996
00:57:16,920 --> 00:57:20,720
Speaker 4: federal government, of the Department of Justice, of Homeland Security,

997
00:57:21,000 --> 00:57:23,880
Speaker 4: of the Civil Rights Division, of the Presidency of the

998
00:57:24,000 --> 00:57:28,040
Speaker 4: United States, and when it doesn't work, will keep going

999
00:57:28,640 --> 00:57:31,480
Speaker 4: until we get them. We will make public statements, we

1000
00:57:31,560 --> 00:57:40,080
Speaker 4: will show mugshots. Is different in every possible way because

1001
00:57:40,320 --> 00:57:44,520
Speaker 4: it is turning the awesome power of one of the

1002
00:57:44,560 --> 00:57:50,320
Speaker 4: most fear supposedly countries in the world, of our enforcement division.

1003
00:57:50,480 --> 00:57:53,280
Speaker 4: That's what Department of Justice is, that's our law and

1004
00:57:53,480 --> 00:57:54,200
Speaker 4: order people.

1005
00:57:54,760 --> 00:57:59,560
Speaker 1: They're turning it on ten people who went in a church.

1006
00:58:00,600 --> 00:58:00,920
Speaker 3: Hmmm.

1007
00:58:01,120 --> 00:58:06,200
Speaker 2: Can I ask you about this ballot situation in the rides? Yes,

1008
00:58:06,960 --> 00:58:09,439
Speaker 2: So what's going on with that? And what do you

1009
00:58:09,480 --> 00:58:13,760
Speaker 2: what is what is the whole legal reentifications behind that.

1010
00:58:14,280 --> 00:58:15,800
Speaker 1: Wait, which ballot situation?

1011
00:58:15,920 --> 00:58:18,160
Speaker 3: My thine in Atlanta?

1012
00:58:19,040 --> 00:58:21,200
Speaker 1: Okay, see here's here's happening.

1013
00:58:21,360 --> 00:58:24,120
Speaker 3: So many different things that you confuse, like which one.

1014
00:58:24,680 --> 00:58:26,360
Speaker 1: Right, because they're all together.

1015
00:58:27,600 --> 00:58:33,560
Speaker 4: The real goal of ice, the real goal of this persecution,

1016
00:58:34,400 --> 00:58:36,800
Speaker 4: the real goal of Pam Bondi sending a letter to

1017
00:58:36,840 --> 00:58:39,720
Speaker 4: Governor Walls and saying, oh, okay, we'll.

1018
00:58:39,480 --> 00:58:44,760
Speaker 5: Withdraw if you turn over your voter rolls, and you too, Arizona,

1019
00:58:44,920 --> 00:58:48,360
Speaker 5: and you too, Michigan, if you just give us the

1020
00:58:48,440 --> 00:58:50,520
Speaker 5: roles because we know you have people on the rolls

1021
00:58:50,520 --> 00:58:52,440
Speaker 5: who aren't supposed to be on the rolls. Give us

1022
00:58:52,480 --> 00:58:57,480
Speaker 5: the rolls and we'll exit. That's connected to Fulton County,

1023
00:58:57,800 --> 00:59:01,040
Speaker 5: where the crazy man who's in the one house has

1024
00:59:01,120 --> 00:59:02,919
Speaker 5: to prove that in twenty.

1025
00:59:02,600 --> 00:59:05,400
Speaker 1: Twenty he didn't really lose the election.

1026
00:59:06,280 --> 00:59:09,920
Speaker 5: He went to Davos, the debacle in Davos last week

1027
00:59:10,280 --> 00:59:13,080
Speaker 5: and said it was a red election, and everybody knows

1028
00:59:13,080 --> 00:59:16,000
Speaker 5: it was a red election. They know now, and people

1029
00:59:16,040 --> 00:59:22,040
Speaker 5: are going to start being perseed, said, persecuted, prosecuted people

1030
00:59:22,280 --> 00:59:28,240
Speaker 5: start to pay conrects and persecuted. And so after he

1031
00:59:28,320 --> 00:59:31,040
Speaker 5: says that, then the next week. Here they go, going

1032
00:59:31,080 --> 00:59:34,080
Speaker 5: to where they keep the paper ballads, as if going

1033
00:59:34,160 --> 00:59:39,040
Speaker 5: in and collecting them is going to change the multiple times,

1034
00:59:39,520 --> 00:59:46,240
Speaker 5: the recounts, the court orders, the judge's decisions, sixty plus

1035
00:59:46,280 --> 00:59:51,720
Speaker 5: cases across this country and three independent investigations, and nope,

1036
00:59:51,760 --> 00:59:54,200
Speaker 5: twenty twenty is still your ass lost.

1037
00:59:54,800 --> 00:59:56,480
Speaker 1: You lost, you lost, you lost.

1038
00:59:57,000 --> 01:00:00,480
Speaker 5: So it's all tied, and it's not going to sincerely

1039
01:00:00,600 --> 01:00:03,800
Speaker 5: tied to prove he won, that's his mind. It's really

1040
01:00:03,920 --> 01:00:08,800
Speaker 5: tied to Elections are unstable, Elections are not valid.

1041
01:00:09,240 --> 01:00:11,800
Speaker 1: Elections can't be trusted, So why would we have one

1042
01:00:11,840 --> 01:00:14,800
Speaker 1: in November? Exactly? That's where they are leading.

1043
01:00:16,920 --> 01:00:23,600
Speaker 4: Is it legal for Pam Bondy to include language in

1044
01:00:23,680 --> 01:00:28,960
Speaker 4: a letter about ice saying, but if you give us

1045
01:00:28,560 --> 01:00:34,160
Speaker 4: the the voting roles, then I don't I don't you know.

1046
01:00:34,400 --> 01:00:38,800
Speaker 2: Listen, it's just so it's so unprecedented and retarded, retarded,

1047
01:00:38,840 --> 01:00:40,160
Speaker 2: I would like to say crazy.

1048
01:00:40,720 --> 01:00:46,480
Speaker 1: Yeah. A judge called it, called it extortion and a

1049
01:00:46,640 --> 01:00:50,120
Speaker 1: a bribery attempt. And we are.

1050
01:00:50,120 --> 01:00:54,240
Speaker 4: Not we are not immune to or new to or

1051
01:00:54,480 --> 01:00:58,880
Speaker 4: shocked by corruption. We've been watching corruption play out forever

1052
01:00:58,960 --> 01:01:02,640
Speaker 4: and ever and ever on so many levels local government,

1053
01:01:02,920 --> 01:01:04,080
Speaker 4: local police force.

1054
01:01:04,560 --> 01:01:07,560
Speaker 1: You know, I mean, this is not but there, this

1055
01:01:07,640 --> 01:01:11,920
Speaker 1: is It's like, you know what I mean, that's the

1056
01:01:11,960 --> 01:01:15,640
Speaker 1: only thing I can say. What you see. You put

1057
01:01:15,680 --> 01:01:17,840
Speaker 1: in a letter to.

1058
01:01:17,880 --> 01:01:21,560
Speaker 3: Say, that's this administration.

1059
01:01:22,280 --> 01:01:26,880
Speaker 2: Everything you're telling everybody paid, he's paid to play.

1060
01:01:25,800 --> 01:01:34,760
Speaker 4: They're lawless, and the Supreme Court has taken all restraints off.

1061
01:01:35,360 --> 01:01:37,920
Speaker 4: I did a segment for my show last week called

1062
01:01:37,920 --> 01:01:42,040
Speaker 4: the Emperor has No Clothes and and and I really

1063
01:01:42,120 --> 01:01:45,360
Speaker 4: meant it in that it's not his nakedness that's the problem.

1064
01:01:45,480 --> 01:01:48,320
Speaker 1: It's that there's nobody in the circle.

1065
01:01:48,320 --> 01:01:50,200
Speaker 3: To say that you don't got no clothes on?

1066
01:01:50,880 --> 01:01:54,160
Speaker 4: He ain't, He'll had an on like it was a

1067
01:01:54,280 --> 01:02:02,479
Speaker 4: kid in the story that said. And they're around him

1068
01:02:02,760 --> 01:02:06,960
Speaker 4: and fearful and power grabbing and not wanting to be exposed.

1069
01:02:07,280 --> 01:02:13,600
Speaker 5: And he is so very naked that you know, Prime Minister, Canada, Germany, everybody,

1070
01:02:13,720 --> 01:02:16,080
Speaker 5: everybody is like, oh my god.

1071
01:02:16,280 --> 01:02:16,520
Speaker 4: No.

1072
01:02:17,240 --> 01:02:19,880
Speaker 5: But to your point, no, I don't think it's gone

1073
01:02:20,560 --> 01:02:24,200
Speaker 5: but for but for Nixon, And then that was a

1074
01:02:24,240 --> 01:02:25,640
Speaker 5: specific circumstance.

1075
01:02:25,720 --> 01:02:27,080
Speaker 1: It wasn't across the board.

1076
01:02:27,480 --> 01:02:31,640
Speaker 5: We are seeing Project twenty twenty five work its way

1077
01:02:32,240 --> 01:02:37,080
Speaker 5: through the entirety of our Executive branch and with an

1078
01:02:37,120 --> 01:02:41,080
Speaker 5: assist by Congress. Not because they're helping, but because they

1079
01:02:41,120 --> 01:02:44,640
Speaker 5: are spineless and they will not prevent any of it.

1080
01:02:44,720 --> 01:02:50,560
Speaker 1: And that is why Trump knows. Oh, if if we.

1081
01:02:50,520 --> 01:02:54,600
Speaker 4: Lose in November, they're gonna hamstring me, They're gonna impeach me.

1082
01:02:54,680 --> 01:02:57,800
Speaker 4: They're gonna finish me, and not just him, the GLP.

1083
01:02:58,120 --> 01:03:00,000
Speaker 4: That's what I say day before, Yes.

1084
01:03:00,200 --> 01:03:01,919
Speaker 5: Now on Don Show, I said it'll be the death

1085
01:03:01,960 --> 01:03:05,320
Speaker 5: of the GOP if we handle November right, they might

1086
01:03:05,360 --> 01:03:11,360
Speaker 5: not ever win anything again because the staff is in America, understand, Yeah, right,

1087
01:03:11,480 --> 01:03:14,120
Speaker 5: they the masses in America know how unreliable they are.

1088
01:03:14,680 --> 01:03:17,040
Speaker 1: It's just a question of us having a chance to vote.

1089
01:03:17,240 --> 01:03:19,680
Speaker 2: It's not even unlible at this point. It's it's danger.

1090
01:03:19,760 --> 01:03:23,600
Speaker 2: It's it's serious levels of danger. The unreliability. Like we

1091
01:03:23,720 --> 01:03:25,920
Speaker 2: always knew that I think most people knew, and they say,

1092
01:03:26,520 --> 01:03:28,960
Speaker 2: even it's unliable, I'm gonna be it. But right now,

1093
01:03:29,040 --> 01:03:32,280
Speaker 2: the danger that we live in the constant fear, just

1094
01:03:32,320 --> 01:03:36,240
Speaker 2: watching the economy, just watching this, you know, the administration

1095
01:03:36,400 --> 01:03:39,400
Speaker 2: just target people like they they have done nothing right

1096
01:03:39,840 --> 01:03:42,840
Speaker 2: for America and like just it's for real, it's not

1097
01:03:42,880 --> 01:03:44,760
Speaker 2: even like trying to be funny. It's just like there's

1098
01:03:44,840 --> 01:03:46,640
Speaker 2: nothing been done right. But I want to ask you

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01:03:46,640 --> 01:03:49,520
Speaker 2: a question. Do you know how Georgia Ford is doing?

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01:03:49,560 --> 01:03:51,640
Speaker 2: I was watching her live early and it made me

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01:03:51,680 --> 01:03:54,560
Speaker 2: really sad, like hearing the kids in the background crying

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01:03:55,000 --> 01:03:57,000
Speaker 2: and she was going to get arrested. You know. I

1103
01:03:57,040 --> 01:03:59,880
Speaker 2: was like, this has to be traumatized, like it has

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01:04:00,200 --> 01:04:03,480
Speaker 2: being a young kid knowing that Fed's is looking for

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01:04:03,520 --> 01:04:03,919
Speaker 2: your mother.

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01:04:04,440 --> 01:04:08,000
Speaker 3: She's you know, she's a journalist. She's like you can

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Speaker 3: just tell that. It was a lot going on in

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01:04:10,480 --> 01:04:10,840
Speaker 3: that moment.

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01:04:11,720 --> 01:04:17,360
Speaker 5: Yeah, and she's she's safe. I mean, you know, she's out,

1110
01:04:17,640 --> 01:04:21,560
Speaker 5: she's safe. I have not talked to her yet.

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Speaker 1: She was on my show a couple of days ago.

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Speaker 5: And it was really I got it was very difficult,

1113
01:04:29,960 --> 01:04:35,720
Speaker 5: you know, to Mika especially. You have been just in

1114
01:04:35,800 --> 01:04:39,120
Speaker 5: places where Angela, our sister, Angela, Ryan and I were

1115
01:04:39,160 --> 01:04:42,160
Speaker 5: working on things.

1116
01:04:41,440 --> 01:04:48,200
Speaker 1: And it's funny because she and I are both it's

1117
01:04:48,240 --> 01:04:51,720
Speaker 1: quickly out and born on.

1118
01:04:51,680 --> 01:04:55,240
Speaker 5: October twenty sixth, both of us close to a decade apart.

1119
01:04:55,480 --> 01:04:59,640
Speaker 5: But you know, and we'll battle it out until we

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Speaker 5: figure it out, and then there's always love but then

1121
01:05:02,440 --> 01:05:07,200
Speaker 5: there's some things that just break your heart, just break it,

1122
01:05:07,680 --> 01:05:11,280
Speaker 5: and this from me with Georgia has been one of

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01:05:11,320 --> 01:05:16,000
Speaker 5: those things where I'm looking at a woman who is

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01:05:16,120 --> 01:05:21,400
Speaker 5: strong and brave and powerful and standing on her own

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01:05:21,440 --> 01:05:23,600
Speaker 5: two feet, and she has a supportive husband, she's got

1126
01:05:23,640 --> 01:05:27,200
Speaker 5: a family, she's got children, but she's out there making

1127
01:05:27,200 --> 01:05:30,840
Speaker 5: her mark in the world right an Emmy Award winning journalist.

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01:05:31,280 --> 01:05:34,960
Speaker 5: And to hear her just on her public lives and

1129
01:05:35,000 --> 01:05:38,640
Speaker 5: then talking to us personally and saying I wanted to

1130
01:05:38,680 --> 01:05:43,720
Speaker 5: go downtown and cover something, but I didn't think it

1131
01:05:43,800 --> 01:05:48,160
Speaker 5: was safe. I'm being followed, there's massed people, there's unrest.

1132
01:05:48,480 --> 01:05:51,040
Speaker 5: I didn't even trust being able to go into a hospital,

1133
01:05:51,200 --> 01:05:54,200
Speaker 5: into a hotel and look out the window like it

1134
01:05:55,280 --> 01:05:57,560
Speaker 5: what they're hoping to accomplish.

1135
01:05:57,640 --> 01:05:59,400
Speaker 1: And it's always black women.

1136
01:06:00,200 --> 01:06:04,040
Speaker 4: Right where they're doing the most that they could possibly

1137
01:06:04,120 --> 01:06:08,440
Speaker 4: do to us, and they use us as like the

1138
01:06:09,120 --> 01:06:12,400
Speaker 4: first step, the first frontier, if we can get away

1139
01:06:12,400 --> 01:06:13,920
Speaker 4: with it with the black women, and then with the

1140
01:06:13,920 --> 01:06:14,439
Speaker 4: black men.

1141
01:06:14,600 --> 01:06:17,200
Speaker 1: Oh maybe a white woman too, Oh maybe a white man.

1142
01:06:17,680 --> 01:06:20,240
Speaker 1: And so this administration is inching.

1143
01:06:20,760 --> 01:06:21,320
Speaker 3: But she.

1144
01:06:22,760 --> 01:06:26,720
Speaker 4: Has so much of a moral compass about her, and

1145
01:06:26,760 --> 01:06:30,840
Speaker 4: so much integrity about her work, and she posted a

1146
01:06:30,920 --> 01:06:35,960
Speaker 4: video when she was getting out when she was released,

1147
01:06:36,000 --> 01:06:39,320
Speaker 4: and thankfully she was released on her own recognizance and

1148
01:06:39,400 --> 01:06:43,160
Speaker 4: did not have to pay a bond. But I'm sure

1149
01:06:43,160 --> 01:06:47,160
Speaker 4: she's gonna need support because this is just the beginning.

1150
01:06:47,240 --> 01:06:49,000
Speaker 4: The fact that they don't have to stay in jail

1151
01:06:49,360 --> 01:06:51,120
Speaker 4: doesn't mean that these charges are dropped.

1152
01:06:51,600 --> 01:06:53,000
Speaker 1: So you got to get council.

1153
01:06:53,840 --> 01:06:58,360
Speaker 4: And it's interesting because the chorus seem like they are like,

1154
01:06:58,520 --> 01:07:01,600
Speaker 4: why are y'all bother us with this, Like let's let

1155
01:07:01,720 --> 01:07:05,680
Speaker 4: these people out of here, Like it's not even a

1156
01:07:05,720 --> 01:07:08,320
Speaker 4: situation where you see the.

1157
01:07:08,160 --> 01:07:10,919
Speaker 1: Courts being over zealous to say you gotta have.

1158
01:07:10,920 --> 01:07:14,760
Speaker 4: Bond, and you know, they're even like, I don't even

1159
01:07:14,800 --> 01:07:19,160
Speaker 4: know why we're had because I don't believe now depends

1160
01:07:19,200 --> 01:07:20,960
Speaker 4: on who your final judge is.

1161
01:07:21,040 --> 01:07:23,760
Speaker 1: You're real, you know you're judge who's presiding.

1162
01:07:24,600 --> 01:07:28,520
Speaker 4: I don't believe that there's even a case as big

1163
01:07:28,560 --> 01:07:31,240
Speaker 4: as a piece of land. Seriously, So it's like a

1164
01:07:31,360 --> 01:07:33,360
Speaker 4: waste of people's time.

1165
01:07:34,080 --> 01:07:35,480
Speaker 3: But you know, and.

1166
01:07:37,200 --> 01:07:40,680
Speaker 4: It's a disruption of to your point about the breaking

1167
01:07:40,720 --> 01:07:44,960
Speaker 4: of breaking your heart, it's a disruption of folks nervous

1168
01:07:44,960 --> 01:07:49,560
Speaker 4: system because this and and to my son's.

1169
01:07:49,160 --> 01:07:54,320
Speaker 1: Point, her children, her family, that's crazy that I mean,

1170
01:07:54,360 --> 01:07:54,960
Speaker 1: I've been there.

1171
01:07:55,280 --> 01:07:58,040
Speaker 4: I've been in my house and at six o'clock in

1172
01:07:58,080 --> 01:08:02,880
Speaker 4: the morning, federal agent come to my house, ring the doorbell,

1173
01:08:02,920 --> 01:08:06,000
Speaker 4: wake up everybody in the house, and we're all sitting

1174
01:08:06,360 --> 01:08:09,440
Speaker 4: on the couch in the living room while they asked

1175
01:08:09,520 --> 01:08:15,560
Speaker 4: questions about taxes and payroll and stuff that they have

1176
01:08:15,680 --> 01:08:19,160
Speaker 4: called and asked us to come downtown to discuss what

1177
01:08:19,240 --> 01:08:21,120
Speaker 4: could have called us on the telephone to get the

1178
01:08:21,160 --> 01:08:23,760
Speaker 4: answers to But they are at my house at six o'clock.

1179
01:08:23,439 --> 01:08:24,320
Speaker 1: In the morning.

1180
01:08:25,760 --> 01:08:33,040
Speaker 4: And they executed this on multiple staff members at the

1181
01:08:33,080 --> 01:08:33,759
Speaker 4: same time.

1182
01:08:34,080 --> 01:08:34,519
Speaker 3: That's right.

1183
01:08:34,640 --> 01:08:38,640
Speaker 1: So most families were impacted.

1184
01:08:38,760 --> 01:08:41,719
Speaker 4: And my son may have been eight or nine years

1185
01:08:41,760 --> 01:08:45,520
Speaker 4: old who's now out of his bed scared.

1186
01:08:46,160 --> 01:08:49,160
Speaker 1: That's what is happening to my mother. So that's a disruption.

1187
01:08:49,560 --> 01:08:50,240
Speaker 1: But the other.

1188
01:08:50,160 --> 01:08:54,960
Speaker 4: Disruption is that as this is happening, right as this

1189
01:08:55,040 --> 01:09:00,040
Speaker 4: is in progress, we're getting live reports on some of

1190
01:08:59,800 --> 01:09:04,120
Speaker 4: our channels about what's happening to to to Georgia. And

1191
01:09:04,240 --> 01:09:10,679
Speaker 4: I'm in the airport sobbing, literally stobbing, traveling from one.

1192
01:09:10,479 --> 01:09:13,360
Speaker 1: City to the next. My hands are sweating.

1193
01:09:13,840 --> 01:09:16,439
Speaker 4: I'm trying not to let people look at they know me,

1194
01:09:16,960 --> 01:09:17,759
Speaker 4: I'm in the airport.

1195
01:09:17,840 --> 01:09:20,120
Speaker 1: People are like, hey, oh my god, and I'm in

1196
01:09:20,120 --> 01:09:25,720
Speaker 1: the airport, like my nervous system. It's too much. It's

1197
01:09:25,840 --> 01:09:28,599
Speaker 1: trauma exactly what they want because.

1198
01:09:28,439 --> 01:09:31,800
Speaker 2: They because if they can traumatize you, at least we

1199
01:09:31,840 --> 01:09:34,720
Speaker 2: can do that. And once they traumatize you, then they say,

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01:09:34,800 --> 01:09:38,160
Speaker 2: she's she's gonna be quiet. She's not gonna go out there.

1201
01:09:38,200 --> 01:09:41,320
Speaker 3: Donald me got me fucked up with this camera.

1202
01:09:41,479 --> 01:09:44,880
Speaker 2: George's gonna stay home because she she knows, she has

1203
01:09:45,640 --> 01:09:47,800
Speaker 2: seen the risks, and she's not willing to deal with

1204
01:09:47,840 --> 01:09:48,240
Speaker 2: the risks.

1205
01:09:48,240 --> 01:09:49,400
Speaker 3: And that's the whole strategy.

1206
01:09:49,920 --> 01:09:54,120
Speaker 4: Did y'all see the graphic that the White House put out? Yes,

1207
01:09:56,280 --> 01:10:00,160
Speaker 4: before you talk about that, Why did the d A

1208
01:10:00,400 --> 01:10:01,280
Speaker 4: go to her house?

1209
01:10:01,520 --> 01:10:01,840
Speaker 3: I don't.

1210
01:10:01,960 --> 01:10:05,600
Speaker 4: I'm trying to understand how the DEA gets involved in

1211
01:10:05,760 --> 01:10:08,880
Speaker 4: executing a warrant of this nature.

1212
01:10:09,240 --> 01:10:09,880
Speaker 1: That's it.

1213
01:10:10,040 --> 01:10:15,000
Speaker 4: I mean, all of this seems so like it's political fear.

1214
01:10:15,400 --> 01:10:20,320
Speaker 4: As you would say, there are no more rules, There

1215
01:10:20,400 --> 01:10:25,560
Speaker 4: are not lines, there are not departments, they are not boundaries.

1216
01:10:26,000 --> 01:10:30,000
Speaker 4: If they can't get their own agents to do something,

1217
01:10:30,479 --> 01:10:36,400
Speaker 4: if they can't probably get the local because normally, if

1218
01:10:36,479 --> 01:10:41,160
Speaker 4: you have to effectuate a warrant, then you're gonna call

1219
01:10:41,720 --> 01:10:46,439
Speaker 4: the local or state police department and they're going to

1220
01:10:46,600 --> 01:10:49,799
Speaker 4: do it for you because it's somebody who's in your area.

1221
01:10:50,280 --> 01:10:54,880
Speaker 4: But what if they say no, So then you gotta

1222
01:10:54,960 --> 01:10:57,280
Speaker 4: find some federalites.

1223
01:10:58,000 --> 01:11:01,880
Speaker 5: Who answer to you. And maybe you can't pick Ice

1224
01:11:01,960 --> 01:11:05,600
Speaker 5: because Ice is already in trouble. So you got to

1225
01:11:05,640 --> 01:11:09,880
Speaker 5: go with what you got because you're trying to, again theater,

1226
01:11:10,400 --> 01:11:13,080
Speaker 5: do it all at the same time, and you know

1227
01:11:13,439 --> 01:11:18,120
Speaker 5: that you are doing West coast time for maximum impact

1228
01:11:18,439 --> 01:11:22,720
Speaker 5: to arrest don Lemon coming back from an event, and

1229
01:11:22,760 --> 01:11:25,040
Speaker 5: you want to do these arrests at the same time.

1230
01:11:25,080 --> 01:11:28,200
Speaker 1: And it all was very much coordinated in that way.

1231
01:11:28,560 --> 01:11:32,040
Speaker 4: Like my phone was ringing, my text was going off,

1232
01:11:32,360 --> 01:11:35,679
Speaker 4: my signal, everything was going at the same time, which

1233
01:11:35,720 --> 01:11:37,880
Speaker 4: is why I'm saying to the nervous system to your

1234
01:11:37,920 --> 01:11:41,880
Speaker 4: point to Mika, yeah, that's I love that song.

1235
01:11:42,040 --> 01:11:46,720
Speaker 1: Whose song is it? The biggest, the largest? What they do,

1236
01:11:47,400 --> 01:11:47,920
Speaker 1: what they.

1237
01:11:47,800 --> 01:11:51,639
Speaker 5: Did here especially, and what they do is they go

1238
01:11:51,840 --> 01:11:55,920
Speaker 5: after somebody big to say nobody is untouchable, and then

1239
01:11:55,960 --> 01:12:00,200
Speaker 5: they go after your heart to say we don't care.

1240
01:12:02,320 --> 01:12:04,320
Speaker 1: We're not making any exceptions.

1241
01:12:04,640 --> 01:12:07,040
Speaker 5: We don't care that she's a mother, We don't care

1242
01:12:07,040 --> 01:12:09,760
Speaker 5: that we know she's a journalist. We don't care she's

1243
01:12:09,800 --> 01:12:15,200
Speaker 5: in a bj right now, vice president of the local chapter.

1244
01:12:16,600 --> 01:12:18,680
Speaker 1: She ain't out here pretending to be a journalist.

1245
01:12:20,320 --> 01:12:25,679
Speaker 4: We know, and we don't care, because we are gonna

1246
01:12:25,720 --> 01:12:29,160
Speaker 4: reach out and touch you because they're supposed to make

1247
01:12:29,200 --> 01:12:29,959
Speaker 4: you afraid.

1248
01:12:30,240 --> 01:12:32,719
Speaker 1: What I have to say, though, is for the eight

1249
01:12:32,760 --> 01:12:33,519
Speaker 1: hours that I.

1250
01:12:33,400 --> 01:12:36,360
Speaker 4: Did on the Don Lemon channel today, we had twenty

1251
01:12:36,400 --> 01:12:39,800
Speaker 4: five thousand or more people tuned in consistently.

1252
01:12:40,160 --> 01:12:44,120
Speaker 1: But cable that's better than cable news numbers. God knows

1253
01:12:44,160 --> 01:12:44,519
Speaker 1: what it is.

1254
01:12:44,640 --> 01:12:49,160
Speaker 5: Right now, people are not with it. Yeah, people are

1255
01:12:49,240 --> 01:12:50,760
Speaker 5: not having it.

1256
01:12:51,160 --> 01:12:54,479
Speaker 1: Whatever. The bridge too far.

1257
01:12:55,840 --> 01:12:57,719
Speaker 4: Is over.

1258
01:12:58,439 --> 01:13:02,240
Speaker 1: We over it. We're over it now now is it

1259
01:13:02,320 --> 01:13:03,240
Speaker 1: too late? How?

1260
01:13:03,800 --> 01:13:05,960
Speaker 4: There are things we're not gonna ever recover. And you

1261
01:13:05,960 --> 01:13:08,880
Speaker 4: know I'm not this person, I'm the eternal optimist.

1262
01:13:09,280 --> 01:13:10,840
Speaker 1: Oh, there are things we're not getting back.

1263
01:13:12,280 --> 01:13:17,679
Speaker 4: This country is forever different, especially for black and brown people. Well,

1264
01:13:17,960 --> 01:13:19,920
Speaker 4: some of the things we're not gonna get back, I'm

1265
01:13:19,920 --> 01:13:24,920
Speaker 4: gonna be honest with you are relationships. Because there are

1266
01:13:25,000 --> 01:13:28,160
Speaker 4: people that can't ever in their life. Talk to me again,

1267
01:13:28,640 --> 01:13:30,560
Speaker 4: and I'm gonna tell you why it makes me emotional,

1268
01:13:30,640 --> 01:13:34,320
Speaker 4: like I really want to cry getting this out, because

1269
01:13:34,360 --> 01:13:35,440
Speaker 4: they're real relationships.

1270
01:13:35,439 --> 01:13:37,120
Speaker 1: I'm talking about people I love.

1271
01:13:39,080 --> 01:13:45,000
Speaker 4: But you're putting my particular life in danger because what

1272
01:13:45,160 --> 01:13:51,200
Speaker 4: people don't understand when I've watched that man run up

1273
01:13:51,240 --> 01:13:56,480
Speaker 4: to ilhan Omar representative il han Omar and spray whatever.

1274
01:13:56,479 --> 01:14:00,599
Speaker 1: Whatever he did. By the way, today, it nothing but

1275
01:14:00,640 --> 01:14:02,559
Speaker 1: a liquid or water or whatever.

1276
01:14:03,320 --> 01:14:08,160
Speaker 4: But in three you don't know when God knock on everything,

1277
01:14:08,200 --> 01:14:11,120
Speaker 4: and please the Lord, don't let my words come true.

1278
01:14:11,560 --> 01:14:14,559
Speaker 4: But when when she and other people who were close

1279
01:14:14,640 --> 01:14:19,639
Speaker 4: to it start having respiratory issues and some other shit

1280
01:14:19,720 --> 01:14:24,040
Speaker 4: and you find out it was olderless colorless, something that

1281
01:14:24,240 --> 01:14:26,320
Speaker 4: all you need to do is.

1282
01:14:26,160 --> 01:14:29,240
Speaker 1: You know, sprayed in a wrong right, that's right. You

1283
01:14:29,240 --> 01:14:33,600
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. This shit is serious.

1284
01:14:32,360 --> 01:14:36,720
Speaker 4: And for me, I every single day I have to

1285
01:14:36,760 --> 01:14:37,840
Speaker 4: make decisions.

1286
01:14:37,880 --> 01:14:40,439
Speaker 1: I'm telling you. My mentor called me.

1287
01:14:40,400 --> 01:14:47,120
Speaker 4: Today, the the the honorable Marion Berry's widow, Cora masters Berry,

1288
01:14:47,200 --> 01:14:51,280
Speaker 4: and she was sobbing like I don't want you going

1289
01:14:51,600 --> 01:14:55,040
Speaker 4: to this place and that place because I'm worried and

1290
01:14:55,080 --> 01:14:58,000
Speaker 4: it's unfortunate that I could not say back.

1291
01:14:57,840 --> 01:15:01,160
Speaker 1: To her Mo and my son, I won't go.

1292
01:15:01,479 --> 01:15:05,920
Speaker 4: I couldn't say that because I don't know what I

1293
01:15:06,240 --> 01:15:09,479
Speaker 4: may feel called to do and win.

1294
01:15:10,720 --> 01:15:13,759
Speaker 1: And every time I step outside, even when I.

1295
01:15:13,640 --> 01:15:18,679
Speaker 4: Am not in active resistance, the fact that I woke

1296
01:15:18,760 --> 01:15:20,639
Speaker 4: up in the morning is a threat.

1297
01:15:20,680 --> 01:15:22,799
Speaker 1: Active resistance act.

1298
01:15:22,840 --> 01:15:29,040
Speaker 4: Business that we're on here giving people information that flies.

1299
01:15:28,800 --> 01:15:31,800
Speaker 1: In the face of the lies that they're trying to.

1300
01:15:31,760 --> 01:15:37,200
Speaker 4: Tell ye is active resistance, and so just I have

1301
01:15:37,320 --> 01:15:41,200
Speaker 4: to tell people, often family members and friends. I'm frustrated,

1302
01:15:41,240 --> 01:15:43,880
Speaker 4: I'm aggravated. Sometimes I feel rage. I feel the same,

1303
01:15:44,080 --> 01:15:48,439
Speaker 4: but I am not suicidal. I have nothing. I am

1304
01:15:48,479 --> 01:15:52,240
Speaker 4: not using drugs anymore. I don't use drugs, don't want it,

1305
01:15:52,240 --> 01:15:54,840
Speaker 4: I don't have a taste for it. If you'll find

1306
01:15:54,960 --> 01:15:59,320
Speaker 4: me somewhere that's right. With twenty pills in my body,

1307
01:15:59,800 --> 01:16:03,960
Speaker 4: I ain't telling you today that I did not take it,

1308
01:16:04,160 --> 01:16:09,439
Speaker 4: that it has been planted, or whatever, however, whatever words

1309
01:16:09,520 --> 01:16:13,759
Speaker 4: you use to say that someone has infused my body

1310
01:16:13,800 --> 01:16:16,720
Speaker 4: with it, that's what happened, because there is I have

1311
01:16:16,920 --> 01:16:21,559
Speaker 4: no suicidal thoughts in my personal life. I'm actually very happy,

1312
01:16:21,800 --> 01:16:26,440
Speaker 4: very much fulfilled with love, and family, my granddaughter, my son, everybody.

1313
01:16:27,040 --> 01:16:29,639
Speaker 4: But every day I have to tell people that because

1314
01:16:29,760 --> 01:16:34,080
Speaker 4: they will make the case based upon things that you

1315
01:16:34,240 --> 01:16:37,280
Speaker 4: have shared or words you may say.

1316
01:16:37,320 --> 01:16:40,000
Speaker 1: If you write on social media, I'm overwhelmed.

1317
01:16:40,280 --> 01:16:43,080
Speaker 4: The next thing you know, it is a part of

1318
01:16:43,120 --> 01:16:46,160
Speaker 4: a case that you done have been killed somewhere, and

1319
01:16:46,200 --> 01:16:48,920
Speaker 4: they're saying, she said she was overwhelmed, So you gotta

1320
01:16:49,040 --> 01:16:51,360
Speaker 4: If you you can say you're overwhelmed, but you also

1321
01:16:51,520 --> 01:16:55,040
Speaker 4: have to follow that up with but I am not suicidal.

1322
01:16:55,479 --> 01:16:58,599
Speaker 4: This is sinsterious shit. So if you voted for this,

1323
01:16:59,160 --> 01:17:00,800
Speaker 4: I can't have any thing to do with you. I

1324
01:17:01,360 --> 01:17:03,400
Speaker 4: can't and have to be a boundary. I gotta cut

1325
01:17:03,439 --> 01:17:06,920
Speaker 4: it somewhere. If you didn't vote at all, I gotta

1326
01:17:07,280 --> 01:17:09,400
Speaker 4: we gotta work on this, because.

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01:17:09,360 --> 01:17:11,240
Speaker 1: Oh are you Are you working with it? Didn't vote?

1328
01:17:11,280 --> 01:17:14,479
Speaker 1: I'm working it didn't vote. I gotta I gotta work

1329
01:17:14,479 --> 01:17:14,960
Speaker 1: with the didn't.

1330
01:17:15,600 --> 01:17:18,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't. I don't. This was gonna be my

1331
01:17:18,960 --> 01:17:21,520
Speaker 3: I don't get it. But yeah, I don't. I don't.

1332
01:17:21,800 --> 01:17:25,479
Speaker 2: I don't have any interest in dealing with anybody that

1333
01:17:25,600 --> 01:17:27,000
Speaker 2: deals with Trump.

1334
01:17:27,520 --> 01:17:28,559
Speaker 3: Like I made up my mind.

1335
01:17:28,600 --> 01:17:32,440
Speaker 2: You look, I tried to have cordial conversations and dialogue.

1336
01:17:32,680 --> 01:17:34,439
Speaker 2: And I'm at the place that I realized we just

1337
01:17:34,479 --> 01:17:37,479
Speaker 2: have two different moral compasses and and and I don't

1338
01:17:37,479 --> 01:17:37,840
Speaker 2: want to.

1339
01:17:37,880 --> 01:17:40,360
Speaker 3: Even engage with people that disturb my peace.

1340
01:17:40,760 --> 01:17:42,840
Speaker 2: And you might have been somebody that I loved for years,

1341
01:17:42,840 --> 01:17:45,200
Speaker 2: but I've realized we've come to a crossroad to where

1342
01:17:45,200 --> 01:17:48,439
Speaker 2: we no longer have the same value system because anytime

1343
01:17:48,479 --> 01:17:51,000
Speaker 2: that you support somebody who I think is one of

1344
01:17:51,040 --> 01:17:53,320
Speaker 2: the worst human beings in the world, just not even

1345
01:17:53,640 --> 01:17:56,240
Speaker 2: based on presidency. It's not about parties. It's not about

1346
01:17:56,280 --> 01:17:59,240
Speaker 2: Republican like you could have voted for some Republicans when

1347
01:17:59,280 --> 01:17:59,840
Speaker 2: we might be able.

1348
01:18:00,400 --> 01:18:02,240
Speaker 3: I might not agree this, and that we get, but

1349
01:18:02,479 --> 01:18:05,599
Speaker 3: if you support Donald Trump, then it shows where you're

1350
01:18:05,640 --> 01:18:09,360
Speaker 3: more what your character is. I believe that you have

1351
01:18:09,920 --> 01:18:10,880
Speaker 3: a flawed character.

1352
01:18:11,200 --> 01:18:11,800
Speaker 1: I don't agree.

1353
01:18:12,400 --> 01:18:15,080
Speaker 3: I believe that that's just I know.

1354
01:18:15,520 --> 01:18:19,040
Speaker 5: And I'm not saying this because I'm saying I s

1355
01:18:19,120 --> 01:18:22,679
Speaker 5: with them. But here's what I'll Here's what I'll say,

1356
01:18:23,320 --> 01:18:26,400
Speaker 5: because unfortunately I know too many people who are like this.

1357
01:18:28,960 --> 01:18:31,040
Speaker 1: I have no idea. I don't know.

1358
01:18:31,080 --> 01:18:35,160
Speaker 4: Maybe you guys do, but I have no idea what

1359
01:18:35,360 --> 01:18:41,080
Speaker 4: the challenges are that the people in Alaska.

1360
01:18:40,680 --> 01:18:46,200
Speaker 1: Face on a daily basis. I don't know people who

1361
01:18:46,240 --> 01:18:46,800
Speaker 1: live there.

1362
01:18:48,120 --> 01:18:52,080
Speaker 5: I know a couple of few people who are from there,

1363
01:18:52,680 --> 01:18:57,240
Speaker 5: but not who live there. And the way everything is

1364
01:18:57,320 --> 01:19:00,679
Speaker 5: like with the sun and the daytime and you gotta

1365
01:19:00,720 --> 01:19:02,720
Speaker 5: put the shades down in order to get sleep, to.

1366
01:19:02,720 --> 01:19:04,599
Speaker 1: Create night and day and all of that. I don't

1367
01:19:04,720 --> 01:19:05,920
Speaker 1: identify any of it.

1368
01:19:06,000 --> 01:19:09,040
Speaker 5: The way that they fish for food or any of it,

1369
01:19:09,240 --> 01:19:12,160
Speaker 5: or even that poor idiot child who could have been

1370
01:19:12,200 --> 01:19:14,479
Speaker 5: our vice president, who see you can see Russia right

1371
01:19:14,479 --> 01:19:15,519
Speaker 5: over there, you can see it.

1372
01:19:15,600 --> 01:19:18,280
Speaker 1: I mean, like I don't understand anyone they were talking about.

1373
01:19:19,160 --> 01:19:25,400
Speaker 5: And so their enemies would not automatically be my enemies

1374
01:19:25,400 --> 01:19:29,240
Speaker 5: because I'm ignorant. Now I'm willfully ignorant, because it's not

1375
01:19:29,320 --> 01:19:31,360
Speaker 5: that hard for me to figure out what's going on

1376
01:19:31,439 --> 01:19:35,040
Speaker 5: with them. Like Google is your friend. I could go

1377
01:19:35,120 --> 01:19:38,320
Speaker 5: there if I wanted to. I could know more people

1378
01:19:38,400 --> 01:19:39,960
Speaker 5: from there if I wanted to.

1379
01:19:40,520 --> 01:19:41,640
Speaker 1: Same with whether.

1380
01:19:41,400 --> 01:19:45,280
Speaker 5: It's Norway or whether it's Sweden, or whether it's Bangkok

1381
01:19:45,400 --> 01:19:53,400
Speaker 5: or whether it's Beijing. My level of information is cursory,

1382
01:19:54,640 --> 01:20:00,080
Speaker 5: like it's very surface level, and so things that I

1383
01:20:00,120 --> 01:20:04,680
Speaker 5: watch people protesting things all over the globe that I

1384
01:20:04,760 --> 01:20:08,720
Speaker 5: don't personally identify with. And it is not that I

1385
01:20:08,840 --> 01:20:12,360
Speaker 5: don't want them to win, and it's not that I

1386
01:20:12,479 --> 01:20:15,960
Speaker 5: want them to be persecuted, because that's just not me

1387
01:20:16,280 --> 01:20:18,480
Speaker 5: anybody anywhere who's being mistreated.

1388
01:20:18,680 --> 01:20:22,559
Speaker 4: Shit, I'm on your side, but sometimes I don't know

1389
01:20:22,640 --> 01:20:24,880
Speaker 4: your side. And because I don't know your.

1390
01:20:24,760 --> 01:20:28,519
Speaker 1: Side, I don't care your side because I think.

1391
01:20:30,320 --> 01:20:33,080
Speaker 2: Huh, I think what I'm saying is no. But I'm

1392
01:20:33,080 --> 01:20:35,439
Speaker 2: saying if you're disconnected.

1393
01:20:35,479 --> 01:20:39,360
Speaker 5: States who are exactly like that, they are ignorant, They're

1394
01:20:39,439 --> 01:20:43,760
Speaker 5: not like, they don't have knowledge, they don't have black experience,

1395
01:20:44,080 --> 01:20:47,479
Speaker 5: they don't have black community, they are not aware of history.

1396
01:20:47,720 --> 01:20:49,439
Speaker 1: They are living their own lives.

1397
01:20:49,760 --> 01:20:54,519
Speaker 5: And sometimes when the information comes and they vote based

1398
01:20:54,600 --> 01:20:56,040
Speaker 5: on their we.

1399
01:20:56,000 --> 01:20:57,960
Speaker 1: Tell people vote your interests, vote your interest. I don't

1400
01:20:57,960 --> 01:20:58,800
Speaker 1: say that shit no more.

1401
01:20:59,120 --> 01:21:03,040
Speaker 4: I say, hear out everybody's interests and then you better voted.

1402
01:21:03,280 --> 01:21:06,920
Speaker 1: You better vote my kids interests to Mika, them's interests,

1403
01:21:07,000 --> 01:21:09,840
Speaker 1: my signing, them's interests, not just your interest because your

1404
01:21:09,920 --> 01:21:15,479
Speaker 1: interest is always covered. You'ing been covered since the founding fathers. No,

1405
01:21:16,040 --> 01:21:20,360
Speaker 1: especially Texas, don't vote like that. Don't vote George Bush's

1406
01:21:20,400 --> 01:21:22,000
Speaker 1: grandchildren's interests.

1407
01:21:22,880 --> 01:21:29,080
Speaker 4: Vote Lloyd Benson and Richards, Sheila Jackson, Lee, Barbara Jordans,

1408
01:21:29,479 --> 01:21:34,160
Speaker 4: Nicky Leland vote if you unvote leaders, vote all us

1409
01:21:34,280 --> 01:21:40,080
Speaker 4: all Monye Presley vote all traded truth, vote traded truth interest, Yes, Chris,

1410
01:21:40,360 --> 01:21:46,559
Speaker 4: And when I actually I have talked to maggots, I

1411
01:21:46,600 --> 01:21:49,240
Speaker 4: have talked to Republicans, I've talked to conservatives. I've talked

1412
01:21:49,280 --> 01:21:52,480
Speaker 4: to Democrats, because white Democrats, it's the same crop. I'm

1413
01:21:52,520 --> 01:21:55,320
Speaker 4: trying not to cuss just because I'm trying to say

1414
01:21:55,360 --> 01:21:59,080
Speaker 4: things that children can listen to, but it's the same thing.

1415
01:22:00,120 --> 01:22:04,920
Speaker 4: They are so rooted in their own experience and ignorant

1416
01:22:04,920 --> 01:22:08,760
Speaker 4: to the experiences of others that they are voting their pockets.

1417
01:22:09,200 --> 01:22:15,879
Speaker 4: They're voting their religion, they're voting their principles, and they.

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01:22:15,800 --> 01:22:16,640
Speaker 1: See a lot.

1419
01:22:16,840 --> 01:22:21,280
Speaker 2: But that's my point, though you say exactly what I'm saying. Interesting,

1420
01:22:21,479 --> 01:22:24,479
Speaker 2: but that might not understand that. And if you vote

1421
01:22:24,520 --> 01:22:27,719
Speaker 2: your pockets, your religion and your interests, and is Donald

1422
01:22:27,760 --> 01:22:30,679
Speaker 2: Trump that means we have two different moral come because

1423
01:22:31,200 --> 01:22:34,280
Speaker 2: your pocket, if your pockets supersede morality to me, if

1424
01:22:34,320 --> 01:22:37,800
Speaker 2: your interests supersede a person who lacks any level of

1425
01:22:37,840 --> 01:22:41,599
Speaker 2: morality the person who is the most disrespectful person who

1426
01:22:41,720 --> 01:22:46,040
Speaker 2: violates everybody who has no empathy, no connection anything. If

1427
01:22:46,080 --> 01:22:48,360
Speaker 2: you have a level of connection to Donald Trump, then

1428
01:22:48,400 --> 01:22:50,120
Speaker 2: me and you don't really have anything in come.

1429
01:22:50,200 --> 01:22:51,360
Speaker 3: And it's cool and.

1430
01:22:53,320 --> 01:22:57,240
Speaker 1: Poetizens, Yeah, been around seen city.

1431
01:22:57,160 --> 01:23:00,800
Speaker 5: Because they watch the evening news like that comes on

1432
01:23:00,920 --> 01:23:04,040
Speaker 5: either from five to six or six to seven, and

1433
01:23:04,080 --> 01:23:04,880
Speaker 5: they go to bed.

1434
01:23:05,560 --> 01:23:07,960
Speaker 1: And the young folks don't even watch that.

1435
01:23:08,200 --> 01:23:10,640
Speaker 5: And so a lot of times what I'm explaining to

1436
01:23:10,680 --> 01:23:12,040
Speaker 5: people about things.

1437
01:23:11,760 --> 01:23:14,040
Speaker 1: That Trump said or things that.

1438
01:23:13,920 --> 01:23:18,439
Speaker 4: He did, they're like eye or what. They're not even

1439
01:23:18,439 --> 01:23:19,679
Speaker 4: trying to explain it away.

1440
01:23:19,880 --> 01:23:24,479
Speaker 5: It's literal shock, Like as a joke, I'm like, no,

1441
01:23:25,240 --> 01:23:28,120
Speaker 5: these are the things he said two o'clock in the morning.

1442
01:23:29,320 --> 01:23:31,120
Speaker 1: How does he get any work done?

1443
01:23:31,320 --> 01:23:36,519
Speaker 4: Because these are people who work all day, feed their family,

1444
01:23:37,360 --> 01:23:38,240
Speaker 4: go to bed.

1445
01:23:39,080 --> 01:23:41,080
Speaker 2: What I'm trying to say, when you down here, they

1446
01:23:41,760 --> 01:23:45,160
Speaker 2: but those people have they have those with those people right,

1447
01:23:45,880 --> 01:23:53,200
Speaker 2: they have to impose upon themselves the ability and the

1448
01:23:53,280 --> 01:23:55,880
Speaker 2: want to know. Right because if you if you, if

1449
01:23:55,880 --> 01:23:59,000
Speaker 2: you're making decisions and you don't know and it's hurting me,

1450
01:23:59,680 --> 01:24:01,200
Speaker 2: then you you you you're a threaten to me.

1451
01:24:02,520 --> 01:24:03,599
Speaker 1: So you you you.

1452
01:24:03,640 --> 01:24:04,400
Speaker 3: Gotta want to know.

1453
01:24:04,439 --> 01:24:05,960
Speaker 2: And if you don't want to know and you just

1454
01:24:05,960 --> 01:24:08,280
Speaker 2: making decisions that harm me, I don't want to be

1455
01:24:08,320 --> 01:24:08,800
Speaker 2: around you.

1456
01:24:09,120 --> 01:24:10,600
Speaker 3: Because you're still dangerous to me.

1457
01:24:10,600 --> 01:24:12,600
Speaker 2: Because if you're the type of person that don't know

1458
01:24:12,680 --> 01:24:15,040
Speaker 2: shit and you going out there and you're making life

1459
01:24:15,080 --> 01:24:18,880
Speaker 2: decisions that are threatening people's lives and you don't have

1460
01:24:18,920 --> 01:24:19,840
Speaker 2: a clue about.

1461
01:24:19,600 --> 01:24:21,519
Speaker 3: Nothing, I can't be around you. I don't want nothing

1462
01:24:21,560 --> 01:24:22,040
Speaker 3: to do with you.

1463
01:24:22,320 --> 01:24:24,559
Speaker 1: Listen, listen, y'all are one in one.

1464
01:24:24,640 --> 01:24:27,720
Speaker 4: As the judge of this debate, it was one in

1465
01:24:27,800 --> 01:24:31,280
Speaker 4: one because mo Haney going down and dude, you came back.

1466
01:24:31,160 --> 01:24:33,320
Speaker 1: With that one right there. It's one in one.

1467
01:24:33,840 --> 01:24:36,439
Speaker 4: But I think to sum it up, we're talking about

1468
01:24:36,439 --> 01:24:39,439
Speaker 4: the homemieds that do. That's who I'm That's what I'm

1469
01:24:39,439 --> 01:24:41,880
Speaker 4: talking about. I'm not mad at them people over there

1470
01:24:41,920 --> 01:24:44,080
Speaker 4: that voted for Trump. I'm not making mad. It's not

1471
01:24:44,160 --> 01:24:46,000
Speaker 4: the wrong word that they shouldn't even be using it.

1472
01:24:46,200 --> 01:24:47,959
Speaker 3: I don't really care because I'm not gonna get around.

1473
01:24:48,040 --> 01:24:53,200
Speaker 4: That doesn't I'm talking about relationships people who got.

1474
01:24:54,800 --> 01:24:55,719
Speaker 1: No better.

1475
01:24:56,200 --> 01:24:58,439
Speaker 5: But it doesn't even hurt me. I hurt you to me,

1476
01:24:58,840 --> 01:25:01,280
Speaker 5: but it may be a. It's a scorpio and me.

1477
01:25:01,720 --> 01:25:03,639
Speaker 5: But I don't wantsome people and I don't want.

1478
01:25:03,520 --> 01:25:05,080
Speaker 4: Them back, and I don't want them back me. I'm

1479
01:25:05,080 --> 01:25:09,160
Speaker 4: gonna tell you that, and I don't care. I care

1480
01:25:09,920 --> 01:25:11,759
Speaker 4: because Lord, I.

1481
01:25:11,800 --> 01:25:14,000
Speaker 1: Try, good, look, I try.

1482
01:25:14,120 --> 01:25:16,960
Speaker 4: But anyway, I don't want to even go down that

1483
01:25:17,040 --> 01:25:19,120
Speaker 4: rag and hole anymore. I just want to say money,

1484
01:25:19,160 --> 01:25:22,360
Speaker 4: thank you, thank you for what they're doing, thank you

1485
01:25:22,439 --> 01:25:24,680
Speaker 4: for helping to make it plain. We're the same, like

1486
01:25:24,720 --> 01:25:29,720
Speaker 4: you and Angela, Angela Ryal's sister. We fight it out

1487
01:25:29,960 --> 01:25:32,720
Speaker 4: until we come to a place where both of us

1488
01:25:33,000 --> 01:25:36,040
Speaker 4: have a deeper understanding of issues. And that to me

1489
01:25:36,240 --> 01:25:39,280
Speaker 4: is very, very very important because I can hang up

1490
01:25:39,320 --> 01:25:42,799
Speaker 4: the phone with you and be like, I still intend

1491
01:25:42,800 --> 01:25:47,720
Speaker 4: toes down, but when I am speaking out in the world,

1492
01:25:47,880 --> 01:25:53,559
Speaker 4: I'm able to recognize other people's perspectives and it makes

1493
01:25:53,560 --> 01:25:54,599
Speaker 4: me a stronger leader.

1494
01:25:55,120 --> 01:25:56,719
Speaker 1: And so these.

1495
01:25:56,520 --> 01:25:59,320
Speaker 4: People who say we all think alike, and what do

1496
01:25:59,360 --> 01:26:02,639
Speaker 4: they trying to say? We are one thing, one one

1497
01:26:02,760 --> 01:26:06,679
Speaker 4: group thought. No, actually, our groups don't do group thought.

1498
01:26:06,760 --> 01:26:10,000
Speaker 4: We fight bus and go back and forth and push

1499
01:26:10,120 --> 01:26:14,480
Speaker 4: one another all the time. Where we all are aligned,

1500
01:26:14,680 --> 01:26:16,680
Speaker 4: where we all are aligned is that this is not

1501
01:26:16,760 --> 01:26:17,160
Speaker 4: a drill.

1502
01:26:17,960 --> 01:26:21,200
Speaker 1: This is not a joke. It's not a you know,

1503
01:26:21,360 --> 01:26:23,120
Speaker 1: a moment that is going to pass.

1504
01:26:23,680 --> 01:26:27,559
Speaker 4: We are deep into something that started a year ago,

1505
01:26:27,640 --> 01:26:31,640
Speaker 4: but it actually started even before that. I wanted to

1506
01:26:31,680 --> 01:26:34,000
Speaker 4: do this one thing before because I don't want you

1507
01:26:34,040 --> 01:26:38,080
Speaker 4: to leave. We were talking earlier about white people and

1508
01:26:38,160 --> 01:26:42,600
Speaker 4: how this is different because of white people, and I

1509
01:26:42,800 --> 01:26:46,400
Speaker 4: wanted to go back and people should actually look this up,

1510
01:26:46,439 --> 01:26:50,559
Speaker 4: so we don't have to belabor this show today, but

1511
01:26:50,600 --> 01:26:53,880
Speaker 4: they should go back and look at when doctor King

1512
01:26:54,920 --> 01:26:57,960
Speaker 4: and John Lewis, God Rest his.

1513
01:26:58,040 --> 01:27:01,479
Speaker 1: Soul, and all of the folks who let me not

1514
01:27:01,479 --> 01:27:06,200
Speaker 1: get myself in trouble, we're out there going.

1515
01:27:05,960 --> 01:27:10,439
Speaker 4: Across the Edmund Pettis Bridge in Selma, and in the

1516
01:27:10,479 --> 01:27:11,960
Speaker 4: midst of the civil rights struggle.

1517
01:27:12,760 --> 01:27:14,000
Speaker 1: We know that when.

1518
01:27:13,800 --> 01:27:18,920
Speaker 4: We think about the time periods when the movement has

1519
01:27:19,080 --> 01:27:23,680
Speaker 4: been at its most critical and its most dangerous and

1520
01:27:23,880 --> 01:27:26,719
Speaker 4: inflection point where we could go one way or the other,

1521
01:27:27,680 --> 01:27:31,840
Speaker 4: white people who have chosen to stand on the right

1522
01:27:31,880 --> 01:27:35,479
Speaker 4: side of history started getting killed and that and it

1523
01:27:35,560 --> 01:27:39,680
Speaker 4: is it is a it is a clear determination that

1524
01:27:39,800 --> 01:27:44,040
Speaker 4: we have crossed a bridge. That is that we can't

1525
01:27:44,080 --> 01:27:47,280
Speaker 4: we can't go back so it doesn't mean that we've

1526
01:27:47,280 --> 01:27:50,479
Speaker 4: crossed the bridge and it's worse than ever. No, it's

1527
01:27:50,520 --> 01:27:54,160
Speaker 4: still all terrible, but we will never go back to

1528
01:27:54,439 --> 01:27:57,960
Speaker 4: what it was because every time that that happens, the

1529
01:27:58,000 --> 01:28:02,439
Speaker 4: world changes at that moment. And so what I want

1530
01:28:02,479 --> 01:28:05,400
Speaker 4: people to know is that my pastor often.

1531
01:28:05,160 --> 01:28:08,960
Speaker 1: Says it is that this is a it may be.

1532
01:28:09,040 --> 01:28:13,800
Speaker 4: An uncomfortable, terrible, scary moment, but it is pregnant with

1533
01:28:14,080 --> 01:28:19,519
Speaker 4: possibility for what we can do if we all buckle down.

1534
01:28:19,760 --> 01:28:22,120
Speaker 4: Not all because we'll never be all, but all that

1535
01:28:22,160 --> 01:28:26,160
Speaker 4: are in if we buckle down and running the place

1536
01:28:26,720 --> 01:28:30,320
Speaker 4: that fit our skill set and do what we're supposed

1537
01:28:30,360 --> 01:28:34,160
Speaker 4: to do in this moment. If we do that, we

1538
01:28:34,240 --> 01:28:38,200
Speaker 4: won't ever go back, but we can create whatever it

1539
01:28:38,240 --> 01:28:42,760
Speaker 4: is to become so that our children will not look

1540
01:28:42,800 --> 01:28:44,960
Speaker 4: back and say, well, what the hell did y'all do

1541
01:28:46,000 --> 01:28:49,200
Speaker 4: when they was you know, shooting people in the face

1542
01:28:49,320 --> 01:28:53,559
Speaker 4: and doing all the things that's happening and stealing people's oil.

1543
01:28:54,960 --> 01:28:59,080
Speaker 4: I mean, it's so crazy. So I just I want

1544
01:28:59,120 --> 01:29:03,559
Speaker 4: supposed to be left with that feeling of well, wow,

1545
01:29:03,640 --> 01:29:08,240
Speaker 4: we're never going back, and the direction forward is the

1546
01:29:08,320 --> 01:29:11,519
Speaker 4: moment is happening now because we've watched and we know

1547
01:29:11,840 --> 01:29:14,840
Speaker 4: from history when the white folks started dying.

1548
01:29:15,760 --> 01:29:20,839
Speaker 1: We're on our way somewhere somewhere. Yeah.

1549
01:29:21,479 --> 01:29:25,680
Speaker 5: Yeah, And I'm remembering a couple of weeks ago to Mika.

1550
01:29:26,000 --> 01:29:29,400
Speaker 5: We were talking, or maybe we were texting, but you know,

1551
01:29:29,640 --> 01:29:33,760
Speaker 5: I was in a space and just mad, and you

1552
01:29:33,840 --> 01:29:36,120
Speaker 5: were like, the white folks died too.

1553
01:29:36,000 --> 01:29:43,400
Speaker 1: Mo At that moment, I was probably like, I don't care. Oh,

1554
01:29:44,200 --> 01:29:45,120
Speaker 1: but you know I didn't.

1555
01:29:45,160 --> 01:29:50,240
Speaker 4: I didn't mean it that way. But what you say

1556
01:29:50,479 --> 01:29:53,360
Speaker 4: about us doing what it is in our skill set

1557
01:29:53,439 --> 01:29:55,440
Speaker 4: to do, I really.

1558
01:29:55,120 --> 01:29:56,400
Speaker 1: I appreciate you.

1559
01:29:56,479 --> 01:30:00,400
Speaker 5: I appreciate my son, Latasha Brown has been and just

1560
01:30:00,479 --> 01:30:03,920
Speaker 5: checking in and regularly with me, because you know I

1561
01:30:03,960 --> 01:30:04,280
Speaker 5: have been.

1562
01:30:05,200 --> 01:30:06,439
Speaker 1: Twenty twenty five.

1563
01:30:06,400 --> 01:30:08,960
Speaker 5: Was a crash landing for me, and I've been experiencing

1564
01:30:09,439 --> 01:30:11,720
Speaker 5: just some hard days, some deep loss. But I was

1565
01:30:11,840 --> 01:30:16,040
Speaker 5: comforted in knowing not just that my brain still works,

1566
01:30:16,400 --> 01:30:17,320
Speaker 5: but being.

1567
01:30:17,200 --> 01:30:20,120
Speaker 1: But it being proven true that which you really are

1568
01:30:20,240 --> 01:30:20,800
Speaker 1: meant to.

1569
01:30:20,760 --> 01:30:25,800
Speaker 4: Do, you almost you can do it better in adversity

1570
01:30:26,600 --> 01:30:29,120
Speaker 4: because everything else strips off.

1571
01:30:29,760 --> 01:30:30,640
Speaker 1: You can.

1572
01:30:31,240 --> 01:30:33,280
Speaker 5: Like I told you tonight, I'm like, yep, I'll come on,

1573
01:30:33,439 --> 01:30:34,280
Speaker 5: sweat shirt and all.

1574
01:30:34,400 --> 01:30:35,120
Speaker 1: It ain't matter.

1575
01:30:35,520 --> 01:30:38,559
Speaker 5: But I know that I can relay the facts that

1576
01:30:38,680 --> 01:30:40,240
Speaker 5: need to be said. I can talk to you about

1577
01:30:40,280 --> 01:30:42,640
Speaker 5: the things. I can explain the law because this is

1578
01:30:42,680 --> 01:30:45,760
Speaker 5: my set, this is what I do right, And if

1579
01:30:45,840 --> 01:30:50,840
Speaker 5: everybody would get in that get just yeah, you know

1580
01:30:51,120 --> 01:30:53,040
Speaker 5: you know how you had it when you it's a

1581
01:30:53,160 --> 01:30:57,240
Speaker 5: drum beat, when you're in the pocket and you're like, ooh.

1582
01:30:56,800 --> 01:30:57,880
Speaker 3: It is a perfect song.

1583
01:30:58,000 --> 01:31:03,200
Speaker 2: Somebody's paying the drums, some mody's playing about this music.

1584
01:31:04,080 --> 01:31:12,200
Speaker 4: Did you feel it right there to me music? It's

1585
01:31:12,280 --> 01:31:15,920
Speaker 4: late night, this show went. We just went after we

1586
01:31:16,000 --> 01:31:18,400
Speaker 4: just went after dark right there. Because I'm saying you

1587
01:31:18,439 --> 01:31:21,519
Speaker 4: can settle in that pocket and it is where you

1588
01:31:21,720 --> 01:31:22,320
Speaker 4: be long.

1589
01:31:22,640 --> 01:31:26,400
Speaker 1: So everybody should find that spot, find that sweet spot.

1590
01:31:26,479 --> 01:31:29,320
Speaker 3: Well, we appreciate you, Monique. Thank you for the work

1591
01:31:29,320 --> 01:31:32,280
Speaker 3: that you do. Thank you for being our friend, thank

1592
01:31:32,360 --> 01:31:36,000
Speaker 3: you for being brilliant. Thank you for challenging us, getting

1593
01:31:36,040 --> 01:31:38,200
Speaker 3: pissed off with us. Sometimes sometimes I go on my

1594
01:31:38,280 --> 01:31:41,120
Speaker 3: d MS and you cussing me out. But you is

1595
01:31:41,160 --> 01:31:45,040
Speaker 3: always in love and I appreciate that love.

1596
01:31:45,160 --> 01:31:46,960
Speaker 1: Y'all. I love both of you. Thank you so much

1597
01:31:46,960 --> 01:31:58,720
Speaker 1: for having me all right. Thank you right in the pocket, Bob, Monique, You.

1598
01:31:58,680 --> 01:32:01,800
Speaker 4: Know, she has been right there with Don throughout this

1599
01:32:01,840 --> 01:32:03,800
Speaker 4: whole process, so I wanted her to come on and

1600
01:32:03,840 --> 01:32:05,719
Speaker 4: talk about it. I appreciate the fact that you brought

1601
01:32:05,800 --> 01:32:09,760
Speaker 4: up Georgia Fort because you know, we can't allow the

1602
01:32:09,800 --> 01:32:13,600
Speaker 4: sister who was part of those detained to be overlooked.

1603
01:32:14,000 --> 01:32:17,160
Speaker 4: And then there are others who clearly their names need

1604
01:32:17,240 --> 01:32:17,920
Speaker 4: to be stated.

1605
01:32:17,960 --> 01:32:21,240
Speaker 1: They need support. They probably need really serious.

1606
01:32:21,280 --> 01:32:24,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, really serious, because I was on a call, you know,

1607
01:32:24,520 --> 01:32:27,640
Speaker 2: with folks from Minnesota and just listening to the stories

1608
01:32:28,120 --> 01:32:31,280
Speaker 2: in the way that they're being feared, how they y'all

1609
01:32:31,320 --> 01:32:36,320
Speaker 2: being financially terrorized, how the stores, like some of the

1610
01:32:36,320 --> 01:32:38,519
Speaker 2: people can't even afford to pay they rent no more

1611
01:32:38,920 --> 01:32:42,679
Speaker 2: because the Ice people have have labeled them certain things.

1612
01:32:42,680 --> 01:32:46,360
Speaker 2: They got these podcasters. They go outside of the stores

1613
01:32:46,360 --> 01:32:49,439
Speaker 2: where these people work, and now nobody is people are

1614
01:32:49,479 --> 01:32:51,840
Speaker 2: scared to go to the store. It's like, it's just

1615
01:32:52,160 --> 01:32:54,920
Speaker 2: it's a lot of things that they are dealing with

1616
01:32:55,280 --> 01:32:57,960
Speaker 2: inside Minnesota. So I wanted to send some prayers out

1617
01:32:58,000 --> 01:33:01,880
Speaker 2: to them, you know, because it's really it's really a lot,

1618
01:33:02,280 --> 01:33:03,840
Speaker 2: you know, and that brings me to my I don't

1619
01:33:03,840 --> 01:33:04,160
Speaker 2: get it.

1620
01:33:04,320 --> 01:33:04,519
Speaker 3: You know.

1621
01:33:04,560 --> 01:33:08,600
Speaker 2: We were talking about we were talking about Trump and

1622
01:33:08,600 --> 01:33:11,000
Speaker 2: people who voted for Trump and friendships, and that was

1623
01:33:11,040 --> 01:33:12,960
Speaker 2: gonna be my original. I don't get it, you know,

1624
01:33:12,960 --> 01:33:16,080
Speaker 2: because I really I don't get why people don't understand

1625
01:33:16,760 --> 01:33:21,000
Speaker 2: that we can't be friends if you voted in my humanity,

1626
01:33:21,040 --> 01:33:23,880
Speaker 2: I don't even get like people make it seem like, oh, yo,

1627
01:33:24,240 --> 01:33:26,559
Speaker 2: just because we don't agree, we should still be able

1628
01:33:26,560 --> 01:33:29,519
Speaker 2: to be No, it depends on what we don't agree upon.

1629
01:33:29,920 --> 01:33:34,080
Speaker 2: If you don't agree that a man dealing with a

1630
01:33:34,160 --> 01:33:36,559
Speaker 2: twelve year old is raped, then we can't be friends.

1631
01:33:36,840 --> 01:33:36,960
Speaker 4: Right.

1632
01:33:37,000 --> 01:33:39,519
Speaker 2: If you don't agree that a man telling on a

1633
01:33:39,560 --> 01:33:42,000
Speaker 2: man because he's scared to go to jail is bad,

1634
01:33:42,080 --> 01:33:43,200
Speaker 2: then we can't be friends.

1635
01:33:43,439 --> 01:33:43,599
Speaker 3: Right.

1636
01:33:43,600 --> 01:33:46,120
Speaker 2: If you don't agree that a man who's the president

1637
01:33:46,360 --> 01:33:50,920
Speaker 2: should treat everybody like a human being, then we don't

1638
01:33:50,960 --> 01:33:52,720
Speaker 2: deserve to be friends. If you're trying to tell me

1639
01:33:52,800 --> 01:33:55,880
Speaker 2: that certain people deserve to be thrown and beat and

1640
01:33:55,920 --> 01:33:58,680
Speaker 2: shot and killed because you don't think they from this

1641
01:33:58,840 --> 01:34:01,880
Speaker 2: country and all of that, you think that there's no

1642
01:34:02,040 --> 01:34:04,920
Speaker 2: friendship path for me. So I don't understand why people

1643
01:34:04,920 --> 01:34:07,160
Speaker 2: don't understand that, Like, why do people make it into

1644
01:34:07,200 --> 01:34:09,679
Speaker 2: a big oh, we can't be cool, It's all right,

1645
01:34:09,840 --> 01:34:12,840
Speaker 2: y'all come at people because they don't think. No, it's

1646
01:34:12,840 --> 01:34:14,880
Speaker 2: not that I come at you. I just don't want

1647
01:34:14,880 --> 01:34:17,000
Speaker 2: nothing to do with you. It's not that you don't

1648
01:34:17,000 --> 01:34:19,000
Speaker 2: think like I think. It's just that you don't think

1649
01:34:19,280 --> 01:34:23,160
Speaker 2: like I think. That someone who has integrity would think, right.

1650
01:34:23,200 --> 01:34:25,559
Speaker 2: I don't want to be around anyone that lacks integrity.

1651
01:34:25,560 --> 01:34:28,920
Speaker 2: But that was my first thing. But I was having

1652
01:34:29,000 --> 01:34:33,120
Speaker 2: a conversation with a lot of guys, and it's always

1653
01:34:33,120 --> 01:34:37,160
Speaker 2: been this Republican Democrat thing, Republican Democrat thing, friends that

1654
01:34:37,200 --> 01:34:39,639
Speaker 2: I know, and like, they're the same people and they

1655
01:34:39,640 --> 01:34:41,080
Speaker 2: don't do nothing for us, and this and that, and

1656
01:34:41,360 --> 01:34:47,000
Speaker 2: I made I asked one of them a question. I said, well,

1657
01:34:47,120 --> 01:34:49,280
Speaker 2: you said that they're the same people like you know.

1658
01:34:49,439 --> 01:34:52,000
Speaker 2: You know, we've been working on a transition team with

1659
01:34:52,080 --> 01:34:55,280
Speaker 2: the mayor Mandani right, and we've worked with a lot

1660
01:34:55,320 --> 01:34:59,599
Speaker 2: of different governor officially, work with Jamoni Williams, we work

1661
01:34:59,680 --> 01:35:03,080
Speaker 2: with Todd Share, we work with Tis James, We've worked

1662
01:35:03,080 --> 01:35:06,360
Speaker 2: with Initial giftshit like, we've worked with people right, We've

1663
01:35:06,360 --> 01:35:07,519
Speaker 2: been on the front lines with them.

1664
01:35:07,520 --> 01:35:08,760
Speaker 3: We've seen them advocating.

1665
01:35:09,080 --> 01:35:11,120
Speaker 2: There's actual times where you might be able to say, hey,

1666
01:35:11,120 --> 01:35:13,519
Speaker 2: we need these things for our community, these things a

1667
01:35:13,720 --> 01:35:14,759
Speaker 2: going wrong in our community.

1668
01:35:14,800 --> 01:35:16,200
Speaker 3: We're able to get on the phone with them.

1669
01:35:16,320 --> 01:35:19,160
Speaker 2: We would actually make things happen inside our community because

1670
01:35:19,320 --> 01:35:21,679
Speaker 2: we have these relationships and we've been on the front

1671
01:35:21,680 --> 01:35:23,679
Speaker 2: line and work with these people. And these are people

1672
01:35:23,680 --> 01:35:28,200
Speaker 2: that we actually voted for and help get into these offices. Right,

1673
01:35:28,720 --> 01:35:33,240
Speaker 2: So I asked them what Republicans can you call or

1674
01:35:33,240 --> 01:35:36,639
Speaker 2: do you have a relationship with that can actually impact

1675
01:35:36,680 --> 01:35:38,800
Speaker 2: your community, Because if you're saying that the same they

1676
01:35:38,800 --> 01:35:40,920
Speaker 2: don't do. I know that you can call me, right,

1677
01:35:40,960 --> 01:35:43,080
Speaker 2: you know you can call me, And I'm able to

1678
01:35:43,160 --> 01:35:45,360
Speaker 2: have be able to call certain people, and there's other

1679
01:35:45,400 --> 01:35:47,600
Speaker 2: people that can make those in our community.

1680
01:35:47,720 --> 01:35:48,240
Speaker 3: I'm not the.

1681
01:35:48,200 --> 01:35:50,519
Speaker 2: Only person that can make those calls in our community

1682
01:35:50,720 --> 01:35:52,559
Speaker 2: that can get things done in our community, can have

1683
01:35:52,600 --> 01:35:54,880
Speaker 2: people come out and say, hey, we need resources in

1684
01:35:54,920 --> 01:35:56,160
Speaker 2: our community for the parks.

1685
01:35:56,160 --> 01:35:57,559
Speaker 3: We need to get a new park.

1686
01:35:57,840 --> 01:36:01,280
Speaker 2: You know they just built the gifts that just got

1687
01:36:01,640 --> 01:36:05,280
Speaker 2: Highbridge Park done over. Like these things are happening because

1688
01:36:05,280 --> 01:36:07,559
Speaker 2: of relationship. And it wasn't even me, it was my

1689
01:36:07,640 --> 01:36:10,640
Speaker 2: brother Pop. Shout out to him. He throws a basketball

1690
01:36:10,680 --> 01:36:13,880
Speaker 2: tournament in Highbridge, and he reached out to our thee

1691
01:36:13,920 --> 01:36:16,080
Speaker 2: and said, hey, we need to get some new basketball

1692
01:36:16,120 --> 01:36:18,519
Speaker 2: courts and some new rims, and they're supposed to do

1693
01:36:18,560 --> 01:36:19,680
Speaker 2: to park over and.

1694
01:36:19,640 --> 01:36:20,960
Speaker 3: Those are things that can act.

1695
01:36:21,000 --> 01:36:24,640
Speaker 2: Those are tangible, you know, things that can happen that

1696
01:36:24,800 --> 01:36:27,400
Speaker 2: I know happened with Democratic people that have been voted

1697
01:36:27,400 --> 01:36:30,760
Speaker 2: in office. And I asked them, I said, what Republicans

1698
01:36:31,080 --> 01:36:33,320
Speaker 2: are you able to reach out that you've seen do

1699
01:36:33,479 --> 01:36:35,200
Speaker 2: things like that in our communities?

1700
01:36:35,400 --> 01:36:36,920
Speaker 3: Where do you have the relationship?

1701
01:36:36,920 --> 01:36:39,000
Speaker 2: So when you're telling me they're all the same, it

1702
01:36:39,040 --> 01:36:42,520
Speaker 2: doesn't even make sense to me because I've literally campaigned

1703
01:36:42,720 --> 01:36:46,640
Speaker 2: and been on the front line with the Democratic officials

1704
01:36:46,680 --> 01:36:49,640
Speaker 2: and elected officials. I've been on the front line with them,

1705
01:36:49,680 --> 01:36:51,639
Speaker 2: and I've watched them get into office, and I'm able

1706
01:36:51,680 --> 01:36:55,040
Speaker 2: to utilize them to help our communities. So tell me

1707
01:36:55,720 --> 01:36:57,960
Speaker 2: where you can do that. So I don't get when

1708
01:36:57,960 --> 01:36:59,880
Speaker 2: they keep saying that shit to me, because I don't

1709
01:37:00,040 --> 01:37:02,720
Speaker 2: understand how you even rationalize that. I think it's a

1710
01:37:03,040 --> 01:37:05,679
Speaker 2: it's some shit that they hear on the internet over

1711
01:37:05,720 --> 01:37:08,000
Speaker 2: and over so much so they just repeat it. And

1712
01:37:08,040 --> 01:37:10,760
Speaker 2: then what happens is when they need something done in

1713
01:37:10,800 --> 01:37:13,000
Speaker 2: the community, they say they call me, and.

1714
01:37:12,920 --> 01:37:13,920
Speaker 3: You know who I'm calling.

1715
01:37:14,320 --> 01:37:18,160
Speaker 2: I'm calling to somebody that's a democratic office to help you.

1716
01:37:18,520 --> 01:37:20,600
Speaker 2: So when you tell me that, it's so it's so

1717
01:37:20,880 --> 01:37:23,479
Speaker 2: asinine to me with friends of mine. So all these

1718
01:37:23,479 --> 01:37:25,360
Speaker 2: people ain't doing nothing for us. They don't do nothing,

1719
01:37:25,360 --> 01:37:27,639
Speaker 2: But you called me. And who the hell you think

1720
01:37:27,680 --> 01:37:31,719
Speaker 2: I'm calling? Like, who you thinking? Who you think I'm gonna.

1721
01:37:31,520 --> 01:37:31,960
Speaker 3: Call the help?

1722
01:37:32,000 --> 01:37:34,200
Speaker 2: What's going on in the community When you say we

1723
01:37:34,240 --> 01:37:36,479
Speaker 2: needed to do a block party and or lesson, we

1724
01:37:36,520 --> 01:37:38,360
Speaker 2: need permits and we need to get all these things.

1725
01:37:38,360 --> 01:37:39,960
Speaker 3: Who you think I'm gonna call and say, hey, we

1726
01:37:40,000 --> 01:37:41,479
Speaker 3: wanted and some.

1727
01:37:41,400 --> 01:37:44,479
Speaker 4: People might feel like a permit or whatever. You know,

1728
01:37:44,880 --> 01:37:50,680
Speaker 4: that's just one thing. But I know, like, for instance, my.

1729
01:37:50,720 --> 01:37:53,840
Speaker 1: Relationship with Eric Adams was clearly very strange.

1730
01:37:54,520 --> 01:37:58,920
Speaker 4: But I can tell you that when I needed information,

1731
01:37:59,080 --> 01:38:01,600
Speaker 4: people get arrested, and you know, stuff be happening in

1732
01:38:01,640 --> 01:38:06,200
Speaker 4: New York with our friends, their kids and family members.

1733
01:38:06,600 --> 01:38:08,840
Speaker 1: There were people I could call in this administration.

1734
01:38:08,960 --> 01:38:11,679
Speaker 4: And in fact, in one instance I called about something

1735
01:38:11,720 --> 01:38:14,559
Speaker 4: and even though the relationship was strained, he went and

1736
01:38:14,640 --> 01:38:17,320
Speaker 4: looked into it himself to see what.

1737
01:38:17,120 --> 01:38:17,720
Speaker 1: Was going on.

1738
01:38:19,640 --> 01:38:24,760
Speaker 4: It definitely does not exist that same way when I'm

1739
01:38:24,840 --> 01:38:27,799
Speaker 4: in cities and places where there.

1740
01:38:27,600 --> 01:38:34,040
Speaker 1: Are people who are not Democratic leaders. That's just the truth.

1741
01:38:34,160 --> 01:38:35,960
Speaker 2: It's just a reality. So that's what I'm trying to

1742
01:38:36,400 --> 01:38:38,880
Speaker 2: How do we get tricked into believe in that dumb shit?

1743
01:38:38,920 --> 01:38:40,559
Speaker 2: It's like, it doesn't even make sense.

1744
01:38:40,560 --> 01:38:42,439
Speaker 1: It doesn't make the Democrats, No.

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01:38:42,439 --> 01:38:44,920
Speaker 2: It doesn't make them perfectly, because we definitely have to

1746
01:38:44,960 --> 01:38:47,040
Speaker 2: call them out. We have to, and it's some of

1747
01:38:47,040 --> 01:38:48,880
Speaker 2: them that just ain't shit at all. But I'm just

1748
01:38:48,920 --> 01:38:52,400
Speaker 2: trying to tell you, I don't know any Republican that

1749
01:38:52,640 --> 01:38:55,400
Speaker 2: anybody that I know can call to get things happen

1750
01:38:55,479 --> 01:38:57,920
Speaker 2: in outside our community. I don't know, And I know

1751
01:38:58,000 --> 01:39:00,679
Speaker 2: the people that tell me that they don't know don't nobody.

1752
01:39:00,760 --> 01:39:03,760
Speaker 2: And the closest person they might know to anybody with

1753
01:39:03,840 --> 01:39:07,320
Speaker 2: their government is me. And you calling me to help

1754
01:39:07,400 --> 01:39:10,679
Speaker 2: you with stuff, but telling me that the Democrats don't.

1755
01:39:10,520 --> 01:39:11,920
Speaker 3: Do shit for you. It is the faust.

1756
01:39:12,000 --> 01:39:14,639
Speaker 1: So that's always the way that it is. Right.

1757
01:39:14,800 --> 01:39:17,679
Speaker 4: You have families right now who have lost their children

1758
01:39:17,800 --> 01:39:21,519
Speaker 4: who have said, you know, to some sort of state

1759
01:39:21,560 --> 01:39:26,519
Speaker 4: sanctioned violence, and they've said I prior to this moment,

1760
01:39:27,280 --> 01:39:29,880
Speaker 4: wasn't involved in a movement at all. I wasn't involved

1761
01:39:29,880 --> 01:39:32,640
Speaker 4: in the movement matter. In fact, I thought that was

1762
01:39:32,680 --> 01:39:34,640
Speaker 4: just some wax shit. They got nothing to do with me.

1763
01:39:35,360 --> 01:39:36,599
Speaker 1: And now that I am.

1764
01:39:36,640 --> 01:39:41,120
Speaker 4: Actually in the system and trying to navigate this system

1765
01:39:41,280 --> 01:39:47,000
Speaker 4: to address whatever my child, my loved one, I am now.

1766
01:39:46,840 --> 01:39:48,960
Speaker 1: Sharing the message don't wait until it's your child.

1767
01:39:50,000 --> 01:39:53,800
Speaker 4: I've heard that over and over again by families, and

1768
01:39:53,880 --> 01:39:57,880
Speaker 4: so what often happens is that people don't see it

1769
01:39:58,120 --> 01:40:02,320
Speaker 4: until they feel it. And you know, what we try

1770
01:40:02,360 --> 01:40:05,080
Speaker 4: to fight for every day is that you won't have

1771
01:40:05,120 --> 01:40:13,839
Speaker 4: to feel it and without holding you, without without judging

1772
01:40:13,880 --> 01:40:16,160
Speaker 4: you for where you may or may not have been

1773
01:40:16,280 --> 01:40:20,680
Speaker 4: ignorant to what it takes to like move the wheels.

1774
01:40:21,040 --> 01:40:23,160
Speaker 4: And I get it because for most people, their position

1775
01:40:23,280 --> 01:40:24,400
Speaker 4: is that they want.

1776
01:40:24,600 --> 01:40:25,320
Speaker 1: The whole pie.

1777
01:40:25,640 --> 01:40:27,840
Speaker 4: They and we deserve that, and they would be right

1778
01:40:28,000 --> 01:40:30,760
Speaker 4: to say that they're tied a piecemeal. They're tied at

1779
01:40:30,800 --> 01:40:35,800
Speaker 4: these you know, short hand wins. They want real, deep,

1780
01:40:36,320 --> 01:40:39,679
Speaker 4: systemic change, And I get that, and I understand it, and

1781
01:40:39,640 --> 01:40:42,599
Speaker 4: I respect it, and I wish I, you know, could

1782
01:40:42,640 --> 01:40:44,519
Speaker 4: be responsible for making all.

1783
01:40:44,439 --> 01:40:45,519
Speaker 1: The changes at once.

1784
01:40:45,560 --> 01:40:48,400
Speaker 4: But I do know one thing there's a system that

1785
01:40:48,520 --> 01:40:52,920
Speaker 4: exists in America where there are people who are in charge,

1786
01:40:53,040 --> 01:40:56,519
Speaker 4: who get to make decisions about your lives, your children's lives,

1787
01:40:56,560 --> 01:40:59,760
Speaker 4: and all of us collectively. And while there are people

1788
01:40:59,800 --> 01:41:02,639
Speaker 4: who maybe working to change it dismantle it, I truly

1789
01:41:02,680 --> 01:41:04,160
Speaker 4: do believe we're in a moment where.

1790
01:41:04,000 --> 01:41:09,599
Speaker 1: It's going to be a different thing that exists.

1791
01:41:10,080 --> 01:41:14,840
Speaker 4: While that is happening, still, this system has the ability

1792
01:41:15,680 --> 01:41:20,600
Speaker 4: to really harm people, and we have to be engaged

1793
01:41:20,760 --> 01:41:24,920
Speaker 4: in building and protecting at the same time.

1794
01:41:26,840 --> 01:41:30,320
Speaker 2: I have to, we have to, we can, we can't.

1795
01:41:30,800 --> 01:41:33,439
Speaker 2: I keep saying it, and I'll say it again. I'm

1796
01:41:33,479 --> 01:41:38,920
Speaker 2: tired of having, you know, symbolic wins. I'm tired of

1797
01:41:38,960 --> 01:41:42,479
Speaker 2: having symbolism. I'm tired of dying on the cross. I'm

1798
01:41:42,520 --> 01:41:47,240
Speaker 2: tired of not to take anything you know from the Bible.

1799
01:41:47,280 --> 01:41:50,840
Speaker 2: But it's just just like, I want to see us

1800
01:41:50,920 --> 01:41:54,280
Speaker 2: actually win something to where we actually benefit. I'm tired

1801
01:41:54,320 --> 01:41:58,439
Speaker 2: of our leaders going out taking shots and he dying

1802
01:41:58,479 --> 01:42:01,040
Speaker 2: at thirty, broken off out of I'm tired of those

1803
01:42:01,200 --> 01:42:04,800
Speaker 2: levels of winds and moral victories. I'm tired of that.

1804
01:42:05,120 --> 01:42:07,920
Speaker 2: I actually want us to be strategic. I actually want

1805
01:42:07,960 --> 01:42:11,640
Speaker 2: to see us prosper I want to see evolved. I

1806
01:42:11,680 --> 01:42:13,960
Speaker 2: want us to create generational wealth. I want us to

1807
01:42:14,000 --> 01:42:16,680
Speaker 2: actually be able to thrive and live, you know, And

1808
01:42:16,720 --> 01:42:18,559
Speaker 2: that's that's what I hope for. And I just think

1809
01:42:18,960 --> 01:42:22,160
Speaker 2: in order to get there, we have to understand strategy,

1810
01:42:22,200 --> 01:42:24,280
Speaker 2: and we got to put pieces in play. When you

1811
01:42:24,320 --> 01:42:27,200
Speaker 2: play chess, you don't just come out with your first

1812
01:42:27,280 --> 01:42:30,520
Speaker 2: piece and just try to get checkmate. No, you sacrifice

1813
01:42:30,520 --> 01:42:33,800
Speaker 2: a pawn. You might have to sacrifice the night. You

1814
01:42:33,800 --> 01:42:35,600
Speaker 2: have to push your porn. You got to move the

1815
01:42:35,680 --> 01:42:38,120
Speaker 2: queen out the way. The queen might have to protect you.

1816
01:42:38,200 --> 01:42:40,680
Speaker 2: Like this strategy, It just ain't you just go out

1817
01:42:40,720 --> 01:42:43,720
Speaker 2: there and say no, I want it, no strategy. These

1818
01:42:43,760 --> 01:42:46,640
Speaker 2: people are playing with strategy. They're playing chess and you

1819
01:42:46,800 --> 01:42:49,280
Speaker 2: playing checkers. And this is why we keep losing, because

1820
01:42:49,280 --> 01:42:50,800
Speaker 2: they're like, nah, I won't you just jump the piece.

1821
01:42:51,040 --> 01:42:52,760
Speaker 3: Just go out there and fight face to fait. No,

1822
01:42:52,800 --> 01:42:53,720
Speaker 3: they're not fighting you.

1823
01:42:53,720 --> 01:42:56,120
Speaker 2: Face to face because they know they can't beat you

1824
01:42:56,200 --> 01:42:59,679
Speaker 2: face to face. So you playing by her Wilow said,

1825
01:42:59,680 --> 01:43:02,360
Speaker 2: you playing by a set of rules that nobody even

1826
01:43:02,360 --> 01:43:05,040
Speaker 2: playing by. You got a handbook, were rules that nobody

1827
01:43:05,080 --> 01:43:05,760
Speaker 2: even playing by.

1828
01:43:05,880 --> 01:43:09,280
Speaker 4: No more and by the way, my son as bend it.

1829
01:43:10,960 --> 01:43:14,800
Speaker 4: People say the system don't mean nothing, but they using it.

1830
01:43:15,280 --> 01:43:19,000
Speaker 4: They are using this system.

1831
01:43:19,120 --> 01:43:22,559
Speaker 2: I want to end it. But a woman that I'm

1832
01:43:22,560 --> 01:43:25,280
Speaker 2: working with shout out to Tan Adrian. We was having

1833
01:43:25,280 --> 01:43:29,920
Speaker 2: this conversation today and she was talking about different cultures

1834
01:43:30,520 --> 01:43:33,719
Speaker 2: and how they utilize this system and how she worked

1835
01:43:33,720 --> 01:43:37,200
Speaker 2: with this, and she said, I daily watched different cultures

1836
01:43:37,520 --> 01:43:40,719
Speaker 2: take this system and the welfare system and all these things,

1837
01:43:41,080 --> 01:43:45,000
Speaker 2: and these people are profited and utilizing it. These billionaires

1838
01:43:45,000 --> 01:43:47,960
Speaker 2: that you talk about, they've utilized this system. And we

1839
01:43:48,160 --> 01:43:50,800
Speaker 2: telling our people that we need to pull ourselves up

1840
01:43:50,800 --> 01:43:52,920
Speaker 2: our bootstraps and we don't need no.

1841
01:43:52,920 --> 01:43:53,960
Speaker 3: Help from nobody else.

1842
01:43:54,000 --> 01:43:57,599
Speaker 2: And everybody else that actually is winning in America is

1843
01:43:57,680 --> 01:44:01,200
Speaker 2: utilizing it, benefiting off everything in America except for us.

1844
01:44:01,320 --> 01:44:02,080
Speaker 3: And we built it.

1845
01:44:02,640 --> 01:44:04,680
Speaker 2: And with that said, we've come to the end of

1846
01:44:04,720 --> 01:44:07,880
Speaker 2: another episode. I'm not gonna always be right, Tamika D.

1847
01:44:08,000 --> 01:44:09,760
Speaker 2: Marris and not gonna always be wrong, but we will

1848
01:44:09,800 --> 01:44:13,200
Speaker 2: both always and I mean always be authentic.

1849
01:44:14,640 --> 01:44:15,080
Speaker 3: That's how we