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Speaker 1: A Bank starts right now. Welcome in Jaguars Reporters Brian Sexton,

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Speaker 1: Ashlan Sullivan, J P. Shadrick, John Osier. On the Monday,

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Speaker 1: as we take this that the free agency begins, uh

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Speaker 1: takes Let's be honest, people talk, Uh, this is this

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Speaker 1: It's a moment though, of the off season that kind

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Speaker 1: free agency every single off season. Well, they certainly have,

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Speaker 1: I mean not massive salaries, right, but I mean you're

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Speaker 1: ben to pay Tyler Shatley more than a million dollars,

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Speaker 1: you know, for where he is vested in this thing,

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Speaker 1: and Trey Herndon is up there after a couple of

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Speaker 1: years in the league. You could get younger and cheaper,

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Speaker 1: but they're not choosing necessarily to do that, and not

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Speaker 1: because they've got money to spend but because they think

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Speaker 1: that's the best way to put a winning product on

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Speaker 1: the field. This year, these we'renna talking about star players,

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Speaker 1: we're talking about good players. When it was just such

439
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Speaker 1: a young team. Well, that's the danger year, exactly right.

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Speaker 1: The danger is if you got a Hernon and Shatley,

441
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Speaker 1: for example, and replace them with the rookie free agent version,

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Speaker 1: because they were both rookie free agents and they came in.

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Speaker 1: If you replace the guy who's become a veteran from

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Speaker 1: that starting point to the guy who's again at that

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Speaker 1: starting point, well then all of a sudden, you're throwing

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Speaker 1: out a team that when they're out there, they're lost

447
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Speaker 1: in their own competitive And we see what we saw

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Speaker 1: in twos and thirteen. So you have to have some

449
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Speaker 1: veterans around the roster, even if you think you're developing,

450
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Speaker 1: to allow the guys around them who are developing to develop.

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Speaker 1: You can't be all youth. I think we, you know,

452
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Speaker 1: as Jaguars observers, we saw the result of that in

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Speaker 1: two thousand thirteen. It wasn't good here. And to go

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Speaker 1: back to the point that they were some consistent quarterback

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Speaker 1: play away from winning some games. Remember they they had

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Speaker 1: six one score losses this year. Now, that's what the

457
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Speaker 1: way the league is set up. A lot of times

458
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Speaker 1: bad football teams don't get that close. A lot of

459
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Speaker 1: times they were over time one time. So yes, there

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Speaker 1: are some core pieces they can build around at least

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Speaker 1: move it ahead. Well, I mean you look at it.

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Speaker 1: I mean the Browns made the playoffs, the Vikings made

463
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Speaker 1: the playoffs, and they played well against those two teams

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Speaker 1: late in the year when they were bouncing between quarterbacks. So, yeah,

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Speaker 1: they were one in fifteen, but they weren't. This sounds

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Speaker 1: stupid to say they weren't as bad as one in fifteen.

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Speaker 1: Seemed right, Yeah, they seemed it all right. So individually though,

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Speaker 1: there are some guys that that could have played better

469
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Speaker 1: about yeah, better quarterbacks played that's the better way to

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Speaker 1: say that. All right. The best way to say this

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Speaker 1: is time for did you hear this? And it's where

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Speaker 1: we go back and reexamine a thought to comment an

473
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Speaker 1: interview from last week and you talk to Peter Stregers

474
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Speaker 1: we all know from a Good Morning Football and uh,

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Speaker 1: here's a clip from last week, and of course you

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Speaker 1: can find it on Jaguars dot Com. I'm all in.

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Speaker 1: I I usually am a load of caution and skepticism

478
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Speaker 1: on our show, and I'm very often the web blanket

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Speaker 1: over and let's slow down, let's him pore we before

480
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Speaker 1: we go nuts over this guy. But Trevor Lawrence, he's

481
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Speaker 1: the outlier. Trevor Lawrence is awesome. It's shown us everything

482
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Speaker 1: um physically gifted, smart, has dealt with all the pressure

483
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Speaker 1: the last two years, and experience plays every year and

484
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Speaker 1: such a huge colorings of delivering all of them. I

485
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Speaker 1: think he's a cantinist. Protect Yeah, at this point, I

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Speaker 1: think he's way behind Brian s Land in terms of

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Speaker 1: being Lawrence. I was all in a year ago. He

488
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Speaker 1: was he was in his eighth grade volleyball game. But yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's it's fascinating how little naysayers there are

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Speaker 1: about Trevor Lawrence. Usually there's always guys going, yeah, but yeah,

491
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Speaker 1: but he can't do that. You just don't hear that.

492
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Speaker 1: So Mel Kuiper had him as the fourth best quarterback

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Speaker 1: he's ever evalued, and Mail has been doing this a

494
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Speaker 1: long time. John Elway was number one, Peyton Manning, Andrew

495
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Speaker 1: Luck and then Trevor Lawrence, and those are the those

496
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Speaker 1: three are sort of the holy Trinity of quarterbacks since

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Speaker 1: I've been around the league, And if mel Kuyper matters

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Speaker 1: at all, and that list matters at all, he's the

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Speaker 1: only quarterback who is eligible for this year's draft who

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Speaker 1: is on that list. So I mean it's that's why

501
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Speaker 1: you've got guys like Peter Schreger who were sold on it.

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Speaker 1: So alright, time for everyone asks thirty seconds, guys, and

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Speaker 1: Joe Portunado is going to enforce like the South Philly guy.

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Speaker 1: He is right. He's gonna be a little Rocky Balboa,

505
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Speaker 1: show up on your doorstep in a leather coat. Um, okay,

506
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Speaker 1: with exactly I'll start, and that's who do you want

507
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Speaker 1: entiled before the week is out? I'm going with Hunter Henry,

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Speaker 1: the tight end from San Diego. I just I think

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Speaker 1: this quarterback with a tight end in the middle of

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Speaker 1: the field, as smart as this quarterback is, I think

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Speaker 1: the tight end is going to be a huge game

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Speaker 1: breaker for this club. So I'll say Hunter Henry on

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Speaker 1: a a reasonable deal, although if you're gonna pay him,

514
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Speaker 1: it's not gonna be all that reasonable. I'll go to

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Speaker 1: the same direction. I'll go Johnny Smith because tight end,

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Speaker 1: I think tight end is what you're looking for is

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Speaker 1: what people want to see. I agree with you. You know,

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Speaker 1: my sense is that Hunter Henry may not be the

519
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Speaker 1: play because I don't know that they're going to automatically

520
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Speaker 1: say we have to go get the top guy and

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Speaker 1: pay the most. But that position certainly JP. Yeah, John

522
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Speaker 1: stole mine, So I'm gonna stick with it John hu Smith,

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Speaker 1: because Henry might be the top guy. John hu Smith

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Speaker 1: has ripped this team before, and the decision makers, some

525
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Speaker 1: of them were around here and I've seen that, so

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Speaker 1: they see what he can do. They haven't had a

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Speaker 1: tight end that's been productive here in a long long time.

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Speaker 1: John hu Smith from the Titan. All right, I'm going

529
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Speaker 1: Curtis Samuel, this is do it all guy, and he

530
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Speaker 1: had a career. You're at just the right time and

531
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Speaker 1: kind of sneaky. But the only receiver in the NFL

532
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Speaker 1: with at least ten reception touchdowns and five rushing touchdowns

533
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Speaker 1: over the past three seasons, played four and was recruited

534
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Speaker 1: by Urban Meyer in college and we all have seen

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Speaker 1: that works out. Some don't get me started. And he's young,

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Speaker 1: by the way, he'll be on opening Day. Yeah, I

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Speaker 1: gotta love the youth. Am I right, yeah, yes, as

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Speaker 1: the youngest person in the room. Okay, JP, you're up next. Okay,

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Speaker 1: here we go. How many years away until the Jaguars

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Speaker 1: win the a f C South Championship? John, It depends

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Speaker 1: on how many years you think Derrick Henry has left, right, Um,

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Speaker 1: So I'll say three. I think they make a run

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Speaker 1: towards it over the next two years. And I'll say

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Speaker 1: in the in the third season of of of Trevor

545
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Speaker 1: Lawrence starting, he'll start a run where they'll win a lot,

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Speaker 1: maybe six or seven in ten years when Derrick Henry retires,

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Speaker 1: I'll be okay with it. I just I can't pick

548
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Speaker 1: them when that man is on the field. So how

549
00:29:14,040 --> 00:29:17,080
Speaker 1: many terrible, terrible days have we had in Nashville where

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Speaker 1: he is just bulldozed over everyone until you get a

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Speaker 1: solid defensive line. I can't buy in. If you have

552
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Speaker 1: a two three score lead on the Titans, they can't

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Speaker 1: run the ball with Henry all day. Remember that, JP,

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Speaker 1: It was a nightmare. It continues to be. I know

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Speaker 1: I was there too, all right, terrible? All right? Am

556
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Speaker 1: I the only one who is concerned about this secondary?

557
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Speaker 1: Can you make that a successful unit in an off

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Speaker 1: season like we said d J. Hayden, don't expect him

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Speaker 1: to be back. You have Trey Hearn and you have c. J. Henderson, safety,

560
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Speaker 1: Daniel Thomas, Jared Wilson, Andrew Wingard. I'm not sold with that.

561
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Speaker 1: And I get that you can add for agency, you

562
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Speaker 1: can add some draft picks, but as a whole, I

563
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Speaker 1: feel like that unit needs so much work and I

564
00:30:04,360 --> 00:30:06,800
Speaker 1: don't know if you can fix it in one off season.

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Speaker 1: Brian Well, I think if you go and add a

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Speaker 1: veteran safety um resigned Sydney Jones, you know, you you

567
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Speaker 1: give yourself a platform to build on. I mean, John,

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Speaker 1: you've been talking about them adding a corner somewhere in

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Speaker 1: the first couple of picks of the draft. So assuming

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Speaker 1: that you've got something there, you know, I might go

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Speaker 1: swing at and Anthony Harris as a as a safety

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Speaker 1: from Minnesota and put him with Daniel Thomas and say, Okay,

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Speaker 1: I'm fixed in the middle now, and I've got C. J.

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Speaker 1: Henderson that I like. I think I'm gonna get better.

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Speaker 1: Let's say let's focus safety and free agency and corner

576
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Speaker 1: early in the draft. Uh, if it's the right fit,

577
00:30:48,600 --> 00:30:51,840
Speaker 1: could make Slyn feel a lot better about secondary very

578
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Speaker 1: quickly because you've got Herndon now as your depth nickel.

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Speaker 1: Jared Wilson's okay next to another veteran who is what

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Speaker 1: he's doing back there. It's not elite yet, but it

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Speaker 1: would make you feel better about it. What is the

582
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Speaker 1: definition of success in the secondary? I think we need

583
00:31:09,480 --> 00:31:11,360
Speaker 1: to figure that out as well. But I'm kind of

584
00:31:11,400 --> 00:31:14,200
Speaker 1: with John here veteran in the middle, and then go

585
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Speaker 1: young on the outside. And you know Herndon has already

586
00:31:18,360 --> 00:31:21,880
Speaker 1: signed back kind of like him. Wilson has been around.

587
00:31:22,160 --> 00:31:24,440
Speaker 1: He's a good piece to have back there, and maybe

588
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Speaker 1: one of the other guys who has been around the

589
00:31:26,720 --> 00:31:29,360
Speaker 1: last year or so, because you need players there. If

590
00:31:29,360 --> 00:31:32,520
Speaker 1: they're not playing in the secondary, they're playing on special teams.

591
00:31:32,960 --> 00:31:37,960
Speaker 1: You can always use secondary players a number of different ways.

592
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Speaker 1: But I'm successful. I think it's a big question. You're

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Speaker 1: successfully complete your in your answer, Joe Twilight A you

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Speaker 1: all right, and we'll finish with John uh Urban wants

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00:31:49,280 --> 00:31:51,880
Speaker 1: speed and explosive in us the receiver made that clear.

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Speaker 1: How much does that change your thought on free agency

597
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Speaker 1: in the draft? Meaning how much you know were you

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Speaker 1: thinking that that was going to be a p already

599
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Speaker 1: before and which direction do you think they go to

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Speaker 1: try to fill that? Brian Well, Um, there are receivers

601
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Speaker 1: in this draft, speedy receivers. The kid from Purdue ron

602
00:32:12,480 --> 00:32:17,959
Speaker 1: Dale Moore will probably be there somewhere in that range. Um,

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Speaker 1: I don't think I touch it in free agency. I

604
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Speaker 1: think I touch it in the draft because it can

605
00:32:22,240 --> 00:32:26,800
Speaker 1: be expansive in free a ridiculous in the draft. That yeah,

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Speaker 1: I will say my thought process changed a bit after

607
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Speaker 1: Trent Fulkies press conference when he was talking about the

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Speaker 1: running backs and saying how you have to add more explosiveness,

609
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Speaker 1: stating the obviously you have to have less carries for

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Speaker 1: James Robinson saying you can only ride a horse for

611
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Speaker 1: so long. So I did always think they were going

612
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Speaker 1: to address running back, But now I think they will

613
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Speaker 1: address it sooner rather than later. Right, So I'll ask

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Speaker 1: you about wide receiver, which was the question. Ah, I

615
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Speaker 1: thought we were just talking about JP. If you could

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Speaker 1: see the look on schn space, I've insulted that was

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Speaker 1: a good point. She is sending darts the way of ocean.

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Speaker 1: Do you think, to my point, do you think that

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Speaker 1: they will address wide receiver in the draft? Now? Yes,

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Speaker 1: I always thought they did though, that was just I

621
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Speaker 1: thought obvious. John, I think we mentioned the name earlier, Samuel,

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Speaker 1: I think you can get him. If you can get him,

623
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Speaker 1: it might cost a little money you draft one anyway.

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Speaker 1: On top of it, remember they only the players that

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Speaker 1: contributed at wide receiver last year. They are really about

626
00:33:31,560 --> 00:33:33,720
Speaker 1: three of them that are going to be I think

627
00:33:33,760 --> 00:33:36,720
Speaker 1: back on the roster after free agency opens, at least start.

628
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Speaker 1: So if you want speed, go get speed a couple

629
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Speaker 1: of different places, and don't be scared to have too

630
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Speaker 1: much speed on your team. Speed at running back. He

631
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Speaker 1: can get twilighted at that. He went unto he's following

632
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Speaker 1: the rules. That is kind of edgy. Twilight quick quick

633
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Speaker 1: trigger finger. Yeah, no, we're done. It's the stars, right,

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's just what we start to see the

635
00:34:01,280 --> 00:34:04,479
Speaker 1: first phases of what Urban Myers team is gonna look like.

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Speaker 1: It's excited, it canna be fun. Big week, John, Jiffy,

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Speaker 1: Ashlan Joe, have a great week. You and Buddy h