1 00:00:07,680 --> 00:00:11,840 Speaker 1: Welcome to the best podcast available training competition. Here are 2 00:00:11,880 --> 00:00:18,760 Speaker 1: your hosts, Jason Gibbs, Andrew Gribble, and Nick Shook from 3 00:00:18,840 --> 00:00:22,360 Speaker 1: the dog Bowl here in Bria. Jason Gibbs, Nick Shook, 4 00:00:22,560 --> 00:00:26,680 Speaker 1: Andrew Gribble. What day is the practice? We had a 5 00:00:26,720 --> 00:00:29,720 Speaker 1: debate about this one practice began because we didn't over 6 00:00:29,800 --> 00:00:33,000 Speaker 1: accounting the orangin round scrimmage. You count the practice, so 7 00:00:33,200 --> 00:00:36,080 Speaker 1: we're counting it. That makes it tense. I did what 8 00:00:36,120 --> 00:00:41,199 Speaker 1: Ali told me to do. Fair, It's it's it's a 9 00:00:41,280 --> 00:00:43,800 Speaker 1: yearly debates. There's a yearly debate this time. You're high. 10 00:00:43,800 --> 00:00:45,760 Speaker 1: You count days? Do you count the days off? Do 11 00:00:45,800 --> 00:00:49,160 Speaker 1: you count the closed practices? Do you count the open practice? Right? Counting? 12 00:00:49,720 --> 00:00:52,839 Speaker 1: This is the the mundane, behind the scenes stuff that 13 00:00:52,920 --> 00:00:55,920 Speaker 1: keeps us up at this This is the dream right here, folks, 14 00:00:56,680 --> 00:00:59,240 Speaker 1: those are you listening right now, wherever you're listening. This 15 00:00:59,280 --> 00:01:01,880 Speaker 1: is the nitty grit of the dream. The good news 16 00:01:02,000 --> 00:01:04,400 Speaker 1: is and we'll hear from Joe Thomas coming up in 17 00:01:04,520 --> 00:01:08,959 Speaker 1: just a few minutes. But uh yes, it's finally game week. 18 00:01:09,280 --> 00:01:11,840 Speaker 1: So some things change. The way that you handle your 19 00:01:11,880 --> 00:01:15,840 Speaker 1: week changes. It's not five consecutive days, it's two days, 20 00:01:16,560 --> 00:01:19,640 Speaker 1: it's a closed practice that we may or may not 21 00:01:19,680 --> 00:01:22,520 Speaker 1: get to see, and then it's game day. Yeah, this 22 00:01:22,600 --> 00:01:24,679 Speaker 1: is the one week of the entire calendar year that 23 00:01:24,720 --> 00:01:27,280 Speaker 1: you look forward to a preseason football game. Yeah, I 24 00:01:27,319 --> 00:01:31,080 Speaker 1: would agree, because then as soon and really the bad 25 00:01:31,120 --> 00:01:34,520 Speaker 1: thing about preseason is as soon as you get to 26 00:01:34,560 --> 00:01:36,680 Speaker 1: like the middle of the second quarter, you're like, oh god, 27 00:01:36,720 --> 00:01:39,000 Speaker 1: we got three more weeks of this, you know, I mean, 28 00:01:39,040 --> 00:01:41,160 Speaker 1: it's the first drives exciting. I'm glad it's at home. 29 00:01:41,560 --> 00:01:43,160 Speaker 1: Like that makes it a little market starting for the 30 00:01:43,240 --> 00:01:46,120 Speaker 1: running clocks. Yeah, like, hey, how about a running clock? Man? 31 00:01:46,160 --> 00:01:48,080 Speaker 1: If I if I had a dollar for every preseason 32 00:01:48,120 --> 00:01:50,920 Speaker 1: game I sat through at at First Energy Steam what 33 00:01:50,960 --> 00:01:53,200 Speaker 1: was then Cleveland Brown Stadium as a kid, and by 34 00:01:53,240 --> 00:01:55,520 Speaker 1: the third quarter, I didn't know who was playing quarterback, 35 00:01:55,840 --> 00:01:58,800 Speaker 1: who the Browns were even playing. Rain. Rain is a 36 00:01:58,800 --> 00:02:02,600 Speaker 1: thing during preseason. Torrential downpours will stop preseason games. That's 37 00:02:02,600 --> 00:02:04,320 Speaker 1: the only thing that makes the preseason game worse. But 38 00:02:04,400 --> 00:02:07,600 Speaker 1: having said, having said all of that, we are very 39 00:02:07,600 --> 00:02:10,640 Speaker 1: excited for this preseason game coming up Thursday. Al Right, 40 00:02:10,800 --> 00:02:12,880 Speaker 1: First though, we had to get through a practice today 41 00:02:12,880 --> 00:02:17,440 Speaker 1: and one again tomorrow. Biggest takeaways from you guys after 42 00:02:17,520 --> 00:02:20,239 Speaker 1: a day off and after the scrimmage. Well, I think 43 00:02:20,240 --> 00:02:22,560 Speaker 1: that this was an issue with the team last year 44 00:02:22,560 --> 00:02:24,440 Speaker 1: a little bit, and I think Freddie addressed in his 45 00:02:24,520 --> 00:02:28,880 Speaker 1: post practice UH press conference not did not the best 46 00:02:28,919 --> 00:02:31,519 Speaker 1: response after a day off, and I think that was 47 00:02:31,560 --> 00:02:33,359 Speaker 1: an issue. I felt like that was the storyline last 48 00:02:33,400 --> 00:02:35,440 Speaker 1: year training camp. Every time that they came back from 49 00:02:35,480 --> 00:02:37,839 Speaker 1: a day off, it was not good. And I think 50 00:02:37,960 --> 00:02:40,680 Speaker 1: I think Freddie titled at the they're feeling sorry for 51 00:02:40,720 --> 00:02:44,000 Speaker 1: themselves going back out of practice, But it picked up 52 00:02:44,040 --> 00:02:46,800 Speaker 1: at the end. I think that it helps when you 53 00:02:46,840 --> 00:02:48,880 Speaker 1: have the best play off training camp so far, which 54 00:02:48,880 --> 00:02:51,520 Speaker 1: was Baker's past to Derrick Willie's. And not only was 55 00:02:51,560 --> 00:02:54,960 Speaker 1: the catch great, but it's really the first time we've 56 00:02:55,000 --> 00:02:57,959 Speaker 1: seen any quarterback aired out down the sidelines like that. 57 00:02:58,120 --> 00:03:00,880 Speaker 1: A lot everything has been in about the ten fifteen 58 00:03:00,960 --> 00:03:05,160 Speaker 1: yard range. This was an actual bomb, and Willie's continued 59 00:03:05,240 --> 00:03:08,360 Speaker 1: his strong camp UH and then punted the ball, which 60 00:03:08,400 --> 00:03:11,720 Speaker 1: made it even better. Exclamation point for sure, But so 61 00:03:11,760 --> 00:03:14,840 Speaker 1: it was Freddie angry that catch happened right in front 62 00:03:15,400 --> 00:03:18,080 Speaker 1: of you, and I gribble, Yeah, he punted the football 63 00:03:18,240 --> 00:03:20,040 Speaker 1: and I'm trying to make sure it just doesn't land 64 00:03:20,080 --> 00:03:23,040 Speaker 1: on my dome at this point, so I lose it 65 00:03:23,080 --> 00:03:25,920 Speaker 1: in the sun. I hear Freddie yelling, and I can't 66 00:03:25,919 --> 00:03:27,720 Speaker 1: tell if he's yelling at him for the way he 67 00:03:27,840 --> 00:03:30,760 Speaker 1: handled the touchdown or if he's yelling because he's happy 68 00:03:30,800 --> 00:03:33,520 Speaker 1: with something that went on today in a practice that 69 00:03:33,600 --> 00:03:36,040 Speaker 1: was frankly quite I think he was happy because he 70 00:03:36,280 --> 00:03:38,840 Speaker 1: was asked about the catch after after practice and he 71 00:03:38,920 --> 00:03:41,480 Speaker 1: didn't bring it up, which he brought up greedy celebration 72 00:03:41,920 --> 00:03:44,160 Speaker 1: last week, So I don't I don't think it was 73 00:03:44,200 --> 00:03:45,680 Speaker 1: an issue, and he made the joke if it's in 74 00:03:45,720 --> 00:03:48,280 Speaker 1: the end zone, he's all right, but that he might not. 75 00:03:48,400 --> 00:03:49,720 Speaker 1: I don't do you get flagged for that in a 76 00:03:49,760 --> 00:03:52,120 Speaker 1: game or do you get the fine? I believe you 77 00:03:52,160 --> 00:03:56,760 Speaker 1: get flagged. Well, they relaxed the rules on celebrations last year, 78 00:03:56,840 --> 00:03:59,520 Speaker 1: so you just can't pump the football into the stated 79 00:03:59,680 --> 00:04:02,560 Speaker 1: Croik to heel me when he did it last year. No, 80 00:04:03,480 --> 00:04:06,320 Speaker 1: when he wiped the ball. Yeah, that they threw the 81 00:04:06,360 --> 00:04:09,600 Speaker 1: football in the stands before that too. Yeah. I don't 82 00:04:09,640 --> 00:04:11,560 Speaker 1: think he got a penalty for that, and I don't 83 00:04:11,560 --> 00:04:15,800 Speaker 1: think Derek would have either this is something we might 84 00:04:15,840 --> 00:04:18,800 Speaker 1: have to research. But you know that was that wasn't 85 00:04:19,040 --> 00:04:20,880 Speaker 1: We don't have one. That wasn't really the point that 86 00:04:20,960 --> 00:04:23,440 Speaker 1: I think the point really was that, you know, this 87 00:04:23,520 --> 00:04:25,799 Speaker 1: is a ho hum practice that was kind of awoke 88 00:04:25,839 --> 00:04:28,560 Speaker 1: and maybe too late, but awoken by this great play 89 00:04:28,600 --> 00:04:32,159 Speaker 1: from a guy who's having an excellent camp and has 90 00:04:32,240 --> 00:04:34,760 Speaker 1: just stacked good practice after good practice and for good 91 00:04:34,800 --> 00:04:36,640 Speaker 1: practice on top of each other. And it even got 92 00:04:36,680 --> 00:04:38,400 Speaker 1: his quarterback fired up because Baker ran all the way 93 00:04:38,400 --> 00:04:40,200 Speaker 1: down to congratulate him and even shouted something to the 94 00:04:40,240 --> 00:04:42,920 Speaker 1: cameras from our ability to Brown's crew, you know, like 95 00:04:42,960 --> 00:04:45,000 Speaker 1: make sure you got that on tape. It was a 96 00:04:45,080 --> 00:04:46,840 Speaker 1: rough day and you know they got a highlight out 97 00:04:46,839 --> 00:04:49,880 Speaker 1: of it. Yeah, it's good because I don't know what 98 00:04:49,880 --> 00:04:52,400 Speaker 1: we're going to talk about until that play. It really 99 00:04:52,600 --> 00:04:55,240 Speaker 1: was pretty It was pretty rough. It was a lot 100 00:04:55,279 --> 00:04:59,800 Speaker 1: of Freddy yelling defensive defensively, a lot of guys out today. 101 00:05:00,960 --> 00:05:04,720 Speaker 1: You wonder what happens come Thursday. Yeah, I mean that's 102 00:05:04,760 --> 00:05:08,800 Speaker 1: that's something that, uh, we'll be following. And I think 103 00:05:08,800 --> 00:05:11,120 Speaker 1: we are all of the opinion the less we see 104 00:05:11,160 --> 00:05:13,960 Speaker 1: these guys, the better. But as we hear from Joe later. 105 00:05:14,000 --> 00:05:16,160 Speaker 1: I mean, there is some importance to the preseason for 106 00:05:16,160 --> 00:05:18,800 Speaker 1: for these guys, and I'm not gonna rush any of 107 00:05:18,800 --> 00:05:21,000 Speaker 1: those guys back on the field. They're they're too important 108 00:05:21,000 --> 00:05:23,360 Speaker 1: to this team's success. And I think that Freddie made 109 00:05:23,360 --> 00:05:25,240 Speaker 1: a point in his post practice press conference about how 110 00:05:25,279 --> 00:05:27,440 Speaker 1: these these guys wouldn't be missing practice if it wasn't 111 00:05:27,480 --> 00:05:29,520 Speaker 1: something that was bothering him, and he said, they've been 112 00:05:29,520 --> 00:05:31,800 Speaker 1: through a rough camp. They've got some bumps and bruises, 113 00:05:31,800 --> 00:05:33,760 Speaker 1: but from the looks of it, I don't think anything 114 00:05:33,839 --> 00:05:35,800 Speaker 1: is serious because they were I think all four of 115 00:05:35,800 --> 00:05:39,080 Speaker 1: them have been outside working uh and paying close attention. 116 00:05:39,080 --> 00:05:41,320 Speaker 1: So I would imagine if this was a real game week, 117 00:05:41,839 --> 00:05:43,599 Speaker 1: I think I don't think we'd be worried about anyone. 118 00:05:43,720 --> 00:05:45,400 Speaker 1: I think that's the thing I commend Freddie and his 119 00:05:45,440 --> 00:05:47,920 Speaker 1: staff and the medical staff for the most is, Yeah, 120 00:05:47,920 --> 00:05:50,560 Speaker 1: this has been a very physical and tough camp. You're 121 00:05:50,560 --> 00:05:53,800 Speaker 1: not gonna see this in most NFL cities, especially in 122 00:05:53,839 --> 00:05:55,599 Speaker 1: this day and age, when you know you can't even 123 00:05:55,600 --> 00:05:59,040 Speaker 1: have two days anymore. But this has definitely worn on 124 00:05:59,080 --> 00:06:01,440 Speaker 1: some of these guys, and they're being smart about which 125 00:06:01,480 --> 00:06:03,719 Speaker 1: guys need a day off or need to sit out 126 00:06:03,720 --> 00:06:05,960 Speaker 1: and need to really heal and get get back into 127 00:06:06,000 --> 00:06:07,839 Speaker 1: the playing shape that they need to be in. And 128 00:06:07,839 --> 00:06:10,080 Speaker 1: then which guys are also just maybe a little bruised 129 00:06:10,160 --> 00:06:12,120 Speaker 1: or a little hurt. You know, Farrell Brown kind of 130 00:06:12,160 --> 00:06:14,560 Speaker 1: came up a little gimpy today, and what what did 131 00:06:14,560 --> 00:06:16,480 Speaker 1: Freddie say to him? I don't need that limping out 132 00:06:16,480 --> 00:06:18,359 Speaker 1: of you, fair, I'll get back in the huddle because 133 00:06:18,680 --> 00:06:20,960 Speaker 1: he needs players to be tough, he needs to teach 134 00:06:21,000 --> 00:06:24,359 Speaker 1: them how to be talk currently and we need some 135 00:06:24,360 --> 00:06:27,080 Speaker 1: people to practice. So yeah. So but you know, I 136 00:06:27,120 --> 00:06:28,800 Speaker 1: think for the most part, people that are being in 137 00:06:28,880 --> 00:06:31,359 Speaker 1: charge of being very wise about, you know, monitoring the 138 00:06:31,400 --> 00:06:33,640 Speaker 1: health of these players and it's and it's playing are 139 00:06:33,640 --> 00:06:36,000 Speaker 1: paying off well so far. All right. That's what happened 140 00:06:36,040 --> 00:06:39,440 Speaker 1: on day number ten of training camp. As we mentioned, 141 00:06:39,839 --> 00:06:42,760 Speaker 1: the three of us honored to be joined by future 142 00:06:42,800 --> 00:06:46,520 Speaker 1: Hall of Famer Joe Thomas uh to talk training camp, 143 00:06:46,560 --> 00:06:49,760 Speaker 1: to talk about the offensive line battle, to talk about 144 00:06:49,760 --> 00:06:53,120 Speaker 1: preseason games, and a whole lot more. We hope you 145 00:06:53,240 --> 00:06:56,280 Speaker 1: enjoy our interview with Joe Thomas. Have a listen. How 146 00:06:56,400 --> 00:06:59,320 Speaker 1: nice was it to be back today? You've been to 147 00:06:59,400 --> 00:07:02,200 Speaker 1: training camp before Obviously you've been a part of him 148 00:07:02,240 --> 00:07:06,359 Speaker 1: for a number of years. What about today felt different 149 00:07:06,720 --> 00:07:11,480 Speaker 1: than maybe the last few years that you've been back. Well, 150 00:07:11,520 --> 00:07:14,560 Speaker 1: I think the difference was when you have a guy 151 00:07:14,600 --> 00:07:18,360 Speaker 1: like Baker Mayfield, you have your franchise quarterback who's standing 152 00:07:18,400 --> 00:07:22,080 Speaker 1: in there taking command. That's just a different feel because 153 00:07:22,160 --> 00:07:25,800 Speaker 1: I think it raises the expectations of everybody because you 154 00:07:25,800 --> 00:07:29,200 Speaker 1: can always look to that quarterback position and see what 155 00:07:29,320 --> 00:07:31,600 Speaker 1: he's doing, and see how he's barking orders and making 156 00:07:31,640 --> 00:07:35,440 Speaker 1: sure everybody's in order, And it raises your own expectations 157 00:07:35,480 --> 00:07:37,160 Speaker 1: of yourself because you know if you step out of line, 158 00:07:37,200 --> 00:07:38,960 Speaker 1: if you take the wrong step, if you go too 159 00:07:39,000 --> 00:07:41,280 Speaker 1: deep on your route, if you screw up your protection, 160 00:07:41,640 --> 00:07:44,040 Speaker 1: he's gonna be the first one they're chewing you out, 161 00:07:44,120 --> 00:07:47,320 Speaker 1: and you do not want to disappoint the franchise quarterback. 162 00:07:47,960 --> 00:07:50,400 Speaker 1: Joe asked Joel this on Saturday, and I figured that 163 00:07:50,480 --> 00:07:52,600 Speaker 1: even though you're not currently playing with this team, you 164 00:07:52,600 --> 00:07:55,600 Speaker 1: still can answer it. There was some legitimate craziness, hype 165 00:07:55,600 --> 00:07:58,520 Speaker 1: excitement in two thousand fourteen when the team drafted Giant Manzel. 166 00:07:58,920 --> 00:08:01,520 Speaker 1: What is different when you come year about this team 167 00:08:01,520 --> 00:08:04,600 Speaker 1: in two thousand nineteen. The hype in two thousand and 168 00:08:04,600 --> 00:08:08,680 Speaker 1: fourteen was extrapolating on a guy that had a good 169 00:08:08,720 --> 00:08:13,400 Speaker 1: college career. What's different now is Baker Mayfield showed last 170 00:08:13,440 --> 00:08:15,560 Speaker 1: year that he was the best rookie quarterback in the 171 00:08:15,600 --> 00:08:18,600 Speaker 1: history of the NFL. He has done it in the NFL. 172 00:08:19,520 --> 00:08:22,040 Speaker 1: We have not had that since Derrick Anderson was here 173 00:08:22,040 --> 00:08:25,160 Speaker 1: when my rookie year he won ten and six and 174 00:08:25,320 --> 00:08:27,760 Speaker 1: he went to the Pro Bowl. So there is a 175 00:08:27,800 --> 00:08:31,280 Speaker 1: difference of showing it, doing it, being it, walking it 176 00:08:31,400 --> 00:08:34,400 Speaker 1: in the NFL versus doing it in college. And I 177 00:08:34,440 --> 00:08:37,960 Speaker 1: think Browns fans for many years we were dying to 178 00:08:38,120 --> 00:08:41,360 Speaker 1: have a quarterback. So we wanted Johnny Men's All to work. 179 00:08:41,400 --> 00:08:44,440 Speaker 1: We wanted to trick ourselves and to tell our brains 180 00:08:44,520 --> 00:08:46,480 Speaker 1: that what he was doing in college was going to 181 00:08:46,559 --> 00:08:48,960 Speaker 1: work at the NFL level, But it turns out it 182 00:08:49,000 --> 00:08:52,000 Speaker 1: didn't work, whereas now with Baker we've seen it work. 183 00:08:52,120 --> 00:08:53,880 Speaker 1: And now it's just a matter of taking what he 184 00:08:53,920 --> 00:08:56,040 Speaker 1: did last year and just making him just a little 185 00:08:56,040 --> 00:08:57,920 Speaker 1: bit better, and every year just making him a little 186 00:08:57,960 --> 00:09:00,760 Speaker 1: bit better, because he's already a france a quarterback. Now 187 00:09:00,760 --> 00:09:03,000 Speaker 1: it's just a matter of can he be the guy 188 00:09:03,040 --> 00:09:05,840 Speaker 1: that leads the Browns to the super Bowl. There's some similarities. 189 00:09:05,880 --> 00:09:08,280 Speaker 1: You mentioned the Derrick Anderson two and seven year rook 190 00:09:08,400 --> 00:09:10,480 Speaker 1: year as there's some similarities between this camp and the 191 00:09:10,520 --> 00:09:14,840 Speaker 1: O eight camp. Um not yet. So the two thousand 192 00:09:14,840 --> 00:09:18,280 Speaker 1: and eight camp was a tough camp because there was 193 00:09:18,320 --> 00:09:19,679 Speaker 1: a lot of hype, but then we had a lot 194 00:09:19,720 --> 00:09:22,800 Speaker 1: of injuries, so going into them and there was all 195 00:09:22,800 --> 00:09:25,000 Speaker 1: this drama. There was all these injuries, and I think, 196 00:09:25,080 --> 00:09:27,200 Speaker 1: what what happened that seasons? We had a lot of 197 00:09:27,240 --> 00:09:30,320 Speaker 1: players that thought, okay, we were ten and six and 198 00:09:30,360 --> 00:09:32,080 Speaker 1: all of a sudden they made the first Pro Bowl 199 00:09:32,160 --> 00:09:36,000 Speaker 1: and they had this we've arrived mentality, right And I 200 00:09:36,040 --> 00:09:38,640 Speaker 1: don't sense that from these guys. Like there's a lot 201 00:09:38,679 --> 00:09:41,320 Speaker 1: of players right now who became stars last year, namely 202 00:09:41,480 --> 00:09:44,679 Speaker 1: the quarterback Baker Mayfield, but I don't sense there's a 203 00:09:44,679 --> 00:09:47,240 Speaker 1: sense of entitlement right now around this team and around 204 00:09:47,280 --> 00:09:51,560 Speaker 1: those guys. They are working harder now than they did 205 00:09:51,679 --> 00:09:55,120 Speaker 1: last year because they feel ownership of the direction that 206 00:09:55,200 --> 00:09:57,480 Speaker 1: this team has headed, and I think that's a really 207 00:09:57,520 --> 00:10:00,839 Speaker 1: good feeling. There's they're similar excitement. I think right now 208 00:10:00,880 --> 00:10:03,160 Speaker 1: there's way more excitement probably than two thousand and eight, 209 00:10:03,200 --> 00:10:06,520 Speaker 1: but similar excitement around the team. But I think as 210 00:10:06,520 --> 00:10:10,320 Speaker 1: far as the team itself, the makeup, the players, the 211 00:10:10,400 --> 00:10:12,560 Speaker 1: results and what we've seen so far in training camp 212 00:10:12,600 --> 00:10:15,800 Speaker 1: and in the family day scrimmage, uh, totally different. How 213 00:10:15,800 --> 00:10:18,440 Speaker 1: do you think that fits with? You know, is it 214 00:10:18,480 --> 00:10:20,839 Speaker 1: good or bad with how Freddie is running this camp 215 00:10:20,880 --> 00:10:23,160 Speaker 1: because it's more physical than your your typical camp, and 216 00:10:23,200 --> 00:10:26,240 Speaker 1: it seems like no matter maybe how worn down these 217 00:10:26,240 --> 00:10:28,520 Speaker 1: guys might get, he's just gonna keep pushing because he's 218 00:10:28,520 --> 00:10:31,160 Speaker 1: he's trying to build that toughness and and the ability 219 00:10:31,200 --> 00:10:33,880 Speaker 1: to persevere in these guys. Yeah. I've always thought that 220 00:10:34,480 --> 00:10:37,040 Speaker 1: team takes on the personality of the head coach, and 221 00:10:37,040 --> 00:10:41,160 Speaker 1: Freddie has got a very direct, tough personality. That's his attitude, 222 00:10:41,200 --> 00:10:43,439 Speaker 1: that's who he is, and I think that's the type 223 00:10:43,480 --> 00:10:45,720 Speaker 1: of team that he wants to build. And so he's 224 00:10:45,720 --> 00:10:49,959 Speaker 1: gonna develop and mold his practices in his own image, 225 00:10:50,200 --> 00:10:53,160 Speaker 1: so that he's going to be getting eleven guys on offense, 226 00:10:53,240 --> 00:10:55,920 Speaker 1: eleven on defense, and eleven on special teams that are 227 00:10:55,960 --> 00:10:59,800 Speaker 1: little versions of himself, hopefully more athletic versions of himself, 228 00:11:00,120 --> 00:11:03,960 Speaker 1: and more in shape versions of himself, but similar mentality 229 00:11:04,040 --> 00:11:06,840 Speaker 1: where he wants tough, hard nosed guys that like football, 230 00:11:07,160 --> 00:11:09,320 Speaker 1: that can trust each other, that are going to go 231 00:11:09,360 --> 00:11:14,400 Speaker 1: out and give everything they got every single play. What 232 00:11:14,559 --> 00:11:18,400 Speaker 1: is is there a coach that Freddie reminds you of 233 00:11:18,720 --> 00:11:20,920 Speaker 1: that you had during your time here or even maybe 234 00:11:20,960 --> 00:11:24,760 Speaker 1: it was Wisconsin. You know that's interesting. Um, you try 235 00:11:24,800 --> 00:11:27,520 Speaker 1: to play the comparison game, and it is always tough, 236 00:11:27,559 --> 00:11:32,079 Speaker 1: but um, Freddie has the background with Bill Parcels, um 237 00:11:32,280 --> 00:11:36,520 Speaker 1: Romeo Cornell, Eric Mangini, George Warhop when he was my 238 00:11:36,559 --> 00:11:39,120 Speaker 1: offensive line coach here. Those are all guys that had 239 00:11:39,160 --> 00:11:43,960 Speaker 1: worked for Parcels directly or had worked for people that 240 00:11:44,080 --> 00:11:47,480 Speaker 1: were Parcels disciples, like Bill Belichick with Eric Mangini, UM, 241 00:11:47,600 --> 00:11:50,079 Speaker 1: And so I would say, all those guys that kind 242 00:11:50,080 --> 00:11:53,280 Speaker 1: of come from the Parcels tree, they're all different through 243 00:11:53,320 --> 00:11:55,920 Speaker 1: all their own people, but they all believe in the 244 00:11:55,960 --> 00:12:00,120 Speaker 1: same type of tough, hard nosed, disciplined football players, football 245 00:12:00,160 --> 00:12:03,640 Speaker 1: teams that are accountable, that are consistent. And I think 246 00:12:03,679 --> 00:12:06,240 Speaker 1: that's what you're seeing from Fridday early on in camp already. 247 00:12:06,360 --> 00:12:08,680 Speaker 1: He's not going to tolerate any mental mistakes. He's not 248 00:12:08,720 --> 00:12:12,000 Speaker 1: going to tolerate penalties. Those are the things that are 249 00:12:12,040 --> 00:12:17,360 Speaker 1: the same things that built the Bill Parcels, Bill Belichick dynasties. Right, 250 00:12:17,600 --> 00:12:19,599 Speaker 1: I'm gonna be tough, I'm gonna be disciplined. We're not 251 00:12:19,600 --> 00:12:22,120 Speaker 1: gonna make mental mistakes, We're not gonna have penalties. We're 252 00:12:22,160 --> 00:12:25,559 Speaker 1: gonna eliminate the things that we can control, and as 253 00:12:25,600 --> 00:12:28,160 Speaker 1: a tough, discipline football team, we're probably gonna win more 254 00:12:28,200 --> 00:12:31,920 Speaker 1: games than we lose. So from a player's perspective, we're 255 00:12:32,000 --> 00:12:35,040 Speaker 1: kind of at that point now day ten, where you 256 00:12:35,080 --> 00:12:37,240 Speaker 1: know you don't have the reward of that preseason game 257 00:12:37,360 --> 00:12:38,800 Speaker 1: right in front of you. It's kind of close. You 258 00:12:38,840 --> 00:12:41,200 Speaker 1: know it's on Thursday, but it's not really there yet. 259 00:12:41,280 --> 00:12:43,200 Speaker 1: So they would it would be considered the dog days 260 00:12:43,200 --> 00:12:45,480 Speaker 1: of camp. What was that like for you? How did 261 00:12:45,480 --> 00:12:48,600 Speaker 1: you motivate yourself and keep yourself, you know, in mental 262 00:12:48,679 --> 00:12:50,520 Speaker 1: tip top shape in order to go out next cute 263 00:12:50,520 --> 00:12:52,440 Speaker 1: when maybe you weren't feeling that great. For me, it 264 00:12:52,520 --> 00:12:54,559 Speaker 1: was just take training camp one day at a time. Right. 265 00:12:54,840 --> 00:12:57,920 Speaker 1: Once you get into the flow of the preseason games, 266 00:12:57,960 --> 00:13:01,120 Speaker 1: it's a lot easier because now you're traveling, you're staying 267 00:13:01,120 --> 00:13:03,880 Speaker 1: in a different hotel, you're gonna eat some different food, 268 00:13:03,880 --> 00:13:06,280 Speaker 1: you're gonna go hit a different opponent with a different 269 00:13:06,280 --> 00:13:08,839 Speaker 1: helmet on. So that gets a lot easier once you 270 00:13:08,880 --> 00:13:11,079 Speaker 1: get to that point. But the dog days, truly are 271 00:13:11,200 --> 00:13:14,000 Speaker 1: those days that you're hitting your hitting your own teammates 272 00:13:14,400 --> 00:13:16,760 Speaker 1: for two, three or four weeks in a row before 273 00:13:16,800 --> 00:13:19,280 Speaker 1: you hit another opponent. And for me, the way I 274 00:13:19,360 --> 00:13:22,120 Speaker 1: kind of got through it was kind of I tightened 275 00:13:22,120 --> 00:13:24,800 Speaker 1: my focus. I narrowed my focus down to each day, 276 00:13:24,840 --> 00:13:26,800 Speaker 1: I wanted to get better at one thing, and I 277 00:13:26,840 --> 00:13:28,720 Speaker 1: would take my notebook out and at the top of 278 00:13:28,720 --> 00:13:30,600 Speaker 1: my notebook every day, I would write down what that 279 00:13:30,640 --> 00:13:32,360 Speaker 1: one thing is I wanted to work on, and then 280 00:13:32,400 --> 00:13:34,000 Speaker 1: how I was going to work on that, and I 281 00:13:34,040 --> 00:13:35,960 Speaker 1: would go out and I would try to accomplish that 282 00:13:36,000 --> 00:13:39,200 Speaker 1: in practice. So you're setting like little goals throughout the 283 00:13:39,280 --> 00:13:41,000 Speaker 1: day so that at the end of the day you 284 00:13:41,000 --> 00:13:44,439 Speaker 1: can go back and when you're reviewing film, you're looking, Okay, 285 00:13:44,600 --> 00:13:48,040 Speaker 1: did I accomplish my one goal for the day? If yes, great, 286 00:13:48,120 --> 00:13:50,200 Speaker 1: now the next day it's something new. If no, why 287 00:13:50,240 --> 00:13:52,959 Speaker 1: didn't I do that? Why was my method? Why did 288 00:13:53,000 --> 00:13:56,280 Speaker 1: it fail? And how do I make it better? Find 289 00:13:56,280 --> 00:13:58,920 Speaker 1: a better process to solve that issue so I can 290 00:13:58,920 --> 00:14:01,960 Speaker 1: accomplish the goal. So each day is its own game 291 00:14:02,240 --> 00:14:04,840 Speaker 1: per se, where you're trying to compete against yourself to 292 00:14:04,880 --> 00:14:07,280 Speaker 1: make yourself better, so that at the end of camp, 293 00:14:07,360 --> 00:14:11,000 Speaker 1: if twenty one practices, you've gotten better. At twenty one 294 00:14:11,040 --> 00:14:14,000 Speaker 1: hopefully different things and you're a much better player at 295 00:14:14,000 --> 00:14:15,839 Speaker 1: the end of training camp. And so you're trying to 296 00:14:15,840 --> 00:14:18,520 Speaker 1: play these little mind games throughout so that when you 297 00:14:18,559 --> 00:14:20,560 Speaker 1: wake up and you look up and all of a sudden, oh, 298 00:14:20,760 --> 00:14:23,960 Speaker 1: we've got a preseason game tomorrow against the Washington Redskins, 299 00:14:24,280 --> 00:14:26,680 Speaker 1: It's like, Okay, great, now I'm in game plan mode. 300 00:14:26,760 --> 00:14:28,720 Speaker 1: I can get through the rest of camp because the 301 00:14:28,800 --> 00:14:30,960 Speaker 1: drudgery is kind of over for the most part. We 302 00:14:30,960 --> 00:14:32,560 Speaker 1: were talking about this last week and it was kind 303 00:14:32,600 --> 00:14:35,400 Speaker 1: of a popular storyline was it was Myles Garrett versus 304 00:14:35,400 --> 00:14:37,560 Speaker 1: Greg Robinson, the left tackle, and it was one of 305 00:14:37,600 --> 00:14:40,000 Speaker 1: those things where you're wondering, is Myles Garrett really this 306 00:14:40,080 --> 00:14:42,680 Speaker 1: good or is Greg Robinson struggling? If you're a guy 307 00:14:42,720 --> 00:14:44,960 Speaker 1: like Greg and you know you're getting better, how do 308 00:14:45,000 --> 00:14:48,120 Speaker 1: you avoid the whole mental side of it of that 309 00:14:48,120 --> 00:14:50,200 Speaker 1: that can be taxing going against Miles, it's a real 310 00:14:50,280 --> 00:14:53,560 Speaker 1: challenge and it can be very frustrating because, especially early 311 00:14:53,600 --> 00:14:55,720 Speaker 1: on in camp, the defense usually gets the better of 312 00:14:55,760 --> 00:14:59,240 Speaker 1: the offense because defensive schemes are much easier to comprehend 313 00:14:59,280 --> 00:15:02,520 Speaker 1: and get everybody on the same page because uh, by 314 00:15:02,560 --> 00:15:04,920 Speaker 1: and large, and this is offensive too. Defensive people, I 315 00:15:05,000 --> 00:15:08,560 Speaker 1: understand it is ceball, get ball. On defense, there's some 316 00:15:08,640 --> 00:15:11,520 Speaker 1: running around and some some crossing, and some stunts and 317 00:15:11,560 --> 00:15:13,640 Speaker 1: blitzes and stuff. But for the most part, once the 318 00:15:13,640 --> 00:15:15,720 Speaker 1: ball is snapped, you take your two or three steps 319 00:15:15,720 --> 00:15:18,400 Speaker 1: and you find the football. Whereas offensive football is so 320 00:15:18,480 --> 00:15:21,640 Speaker 1: much more detailed, and the coordination and the cooperation between 321 00:15:21,680 --> 00:15:24,680 Speaker 1: all eleven people is so much greater. The detail level 322 00:15:24,720 --> 00:15:27,080 Speaker 1: is so much greater. It takes a long time to 323 00:15:27,160 --> 00:15:29,520 Speaker 1: make sure everybody's on the same page. And so it 324 00:15:29,640 --> 00:15:32,960 Speaker 1: is frustrating when you've got a guy, especially as good 325 00:15:32,960 --> 00:15:36,400 Speaker 1: as Miles, that's beating in consistently, because you almost can 326 00:15:36,440 --> 00:15:39,360 Speaker 1: get this feeling that I can't work on my technique 327 00:15:39,360 --> 00:15:41,000 Speaker 1: because even when I'm trying to work on it and 328 00:15:41,000 --> 00:15:43,320 Speaker 1: get better, I'm getting beat. So now you're just holding 329 00:15:43,320 --> 00:15:46,000 Speaker 1: onto your ass trying not to get beat right, and 330 00:15:46,040 --> 00:15:49,440 Speaker 1: so it's almost good sometimes when you do start doing 331 00:15:49,480 --> 00:15:52,360 Speaker 1: some of the ones versus two stuff, as you're getting 332 00:15:52,440 --> 00:15:55,440 Speaker 1: closer to that preseason game or you're going against like 333 00:15:55,520 --> 00:15:58,280 Speaker 1: next week against Indie, you're getting an opportunity to rep 334 00:15:58,320 --> 00:16:00,720 Speaker 1: against somebody who's not as good as Miles. So now 335 00:16:00,760 --> 00:16:03,600 Speaker 1: I can kind of slow things down and start maybe 336 00:16:04,040 --> 00:16:06,000 Speaker 1: focusing on my own technique where I don't have to 337 00:16:06,000 --> 00:16:07,960 Speaker 1: worry as much about getting beat, and I'm just sort 338 00:16:07,960 --> 00:16:10,440 Speaker 1: of holding onto my ass But one thing I will 339 00:16:10,480 --> 00:16:12,840 Speaker 1: say is when you are going against the guy like 340 00:16:12,880 --> 00:16:15,800 Speaker 1: Miles every day. I went against him his rookie year 341 00:16:15,920 --> 00:16:18,400 Speaker 1: my last season during training camp, and that was all 342 00:16:18,480 --> 00:16:20,680 Speaker 1: I could handle, you know, so I can't imagine what 343 00:16:20,760 --> 00:16:23,760 Speaker 1: he's like now three years in. But for me, that 344 00:16:23,800 --> 00:16:27,440 Speaker 1: just heightens the importance of the walkthroughs because the walkthrough 345 00:16:27,560 --> 00:16:30,760 Speaker 1: is now your opportunity to focus on doing my technique 346 00:16:31,000 --> 00:16:33,880 Speaker 1: and my assignment perfect without the fear of getting beat. 347 00:16:33,960 --> 00:16:36,960 Speaker 1: All Right, it's one on one, I'm out there. The 348 00:16:37,080 --> 00:16:39,440 Speaker 1: number one most important thing is don't get beat. Then 349 00:16:39,600 --> 00:16:41,840 Speaker 1: you want to work on your technique. Right now, I'm 350 00:16:41,880 --> 00:16:44,360 Speaker 1: out there and Nick Chubb's running the football or Baker 351 00:16:44,400 --> 00:16:47,040 Speaker 1: Mayfield throwing it. I can't let my man beat me. 352 00:16:47,280 --> 00:16:49,840 Speaker 1: That's the most important thing, right, if you slow things 353 00:16:49,880 --> 00:16:52,240 Speaker 1: down in that walkthrough period, Now, the most important thing 354 00:16:52,320 --> 00:16:55,200 Speaker 1: is improving that technique, making sure my calls and my 355 00:16:55,240 --> 00:16:58,200 Speaker 1: assignment is dialed in. And so I think for a 356 00:16:58,200 --> 00:17:00,840 Speaker 1: guy like Greg who might be having a hard time 357 00:17:01,240 --> 00:17:03,840 Speaker 1: keeping up with miles and training camp, those walkthroughs are 358 00:17:03,840 --> 00:17:08,120 Speaker 1: even more important. So I think conventional thought would say, well, 359 00:17:08,160 --> 00:17:10,399 Speaker 1: if you go against the guy who's that good, naturally 360 00:17:10,440 --> 00:17:13,080 Speaker 1: you're going to improve yourself. But I think on the 361 00:17:13,080 --> 00:17:15,480 Speaker 1: flip side, is it possible for you to develop bad 362 00:17:15,520 --> 00:17:17,720 Speaker 1: habits because you're spending a lot of time, like you said, 363 00:17:17,760 --> 00:17:20,400 Speaker 1: holding onto your ass. Yeah. I think the two things 364 00:17:20,440 --> 00:17:24,240 Speaker 1: you gotta worry out for is um, like you mentioned, 365 00:17:25,040 --> 00:17:27,840 Speaker 1: you gotta worry that your technique goes to crap because 366 00:17:28,280 --> 00:17:30,320 Speaker 1: you are just hanging onto your butt and you're trying 367 00:17:30,359 --> 00:17:33,159 Speaker 1: to do anything you can. You're by hook or by crook. 368 00:17:33,359 --> 00:17:36,440 Speaker 1: George Warhop used to say, whatever it takes, get your 369 00:17:36,480 --> 00:17:39,080 Speaker 1: job done and get that guy blocked. And so you 370 00:17:39,160 --> 00:17:41,200 Speaker 1: gotta you gotta have a coach that's savvy enough to 371 00:17:41,280 --> 00:17:44,760 Speaker 1: understand like, Okay, remind him, Hey, it's still about the technique. 372 00:17:44,840 --> 00:17:46,760 Speaker 1: You need to still stow things down. We don't want 373 00:17:46,840 --> 00:17:50,080 Speaker 1: you to lose any confidence that you have because look, 374 00:17:50,200 --> 00:17:52,399 Speaker 1: Myles Garrett, it's one of the best that is playing 375 00:17:52,400 --> 00:17:54,239 Speaker 1: this game right now and he might go down as 376 00:17:54,280 --> 00:17:57,080 Speaker 1: one of the best defensive ends in history when things 377 00:17:57,080 --> 00:17:59,639 Speaker 1: are all said and done, so don't get discouraged. So 378 00:17:59,720 --> 00:18:02,159 Speaker 1: that's when the coach has got to play psychologist a 379 00:18:02,160 --> 00:18:05,239 Speaker 1: little bit and be be your your biggest advocate on 380 00:18:05,280 --> 00:18:07,680 Speaker 1: your behalf. And I think that's why a coach has 381 00:18:07,720 --> 00:18:11,520 Speaker 1: to be a teacher and understand social socially with people 382 00:18:11,560 --> 00:18:13,680 Speaker 1: about how to approach them and how they learn best. 383 00:18:13,760 --> 00:18:15,760 Speaker 1: And sometimes they kick in the ass is the best 384 00:18:15,760 --> 00:18:18,080 Speaker 1: thing for a player, but sometimes sometimes they need the 385 00:18:18,160 --> 00:18:20,200 Speaker 1: arm around the shoulder and help give him a little 386 00:18:20,200 --> 00:18:22,479 Speaker 1: bit perspective on yeah, you lost that rep. But this 387 00:18:22,560 --> 00:18:26,680 Speaker 1: is why it's okay. From a former player's perspective, When 388 00:18:26,760 --> 00:18:29,760 Speaker 1: is the best time for an offensive line competition end 389 00:18:31,119 --> 00:18:36,119 Speaker 1: um January first, after the season's over. Really having a 390 00:18:36,160 --> 00:18:39,480 Speaker 1: competition is great because it competition always brings up the 391 00:18:39,520 --> 00:18:42,800 Speaker 1: best in everybody. It's the old saying. But the problem 392 00:18:42,840 --> 00:18:45,320 Speaker 1: is when you're doing it during training camp, you're losing 393 00:18:45,960 --> 00:18:50,359 Speaker 1: the ability to get that nonverbal communication down that as 394 00:18:50,359 --> 00:18:53,040 Speaker 1: an offensive line you need. And look, when I play 395 00:18:53,119 --> 00:18:56,600 Speaker 1: next to Joel or John Greco or any other offensive 396 00:18:56,600 --> 00:19:00,560 Speaker 1: guard or Nick Shook or Jason Gibbs there, each guy 397 00:19:00,640 --> 00:19:02,240 Speaker 1: is going to be a little bit different. And so 398 00:19:02,600 --> 00:19:05,600 Speaker 1: getting that sense of familiarity on how you're gonna block 399 00:19:05,680 --> 00:19:07,720 Speaker 1: things where my shoulders are gonna be, where my pads, 400 00:19:07,720 --> 00:19:11,639 Speaker 1: where my footwork. That takes time. That takes time working 401 00:19:11,680 --> 00:19:14,399 Speaker 1: together to work through all that stuff. And so every 402 00:19:14,400 --> 00:19:16,359 Speaker 1: time you're working with somebody that's not going to be 403 00:19:16,440 --> 00:19:20,640 Speaker 1: the guy that's out there on Sundays, you're losing that opportunity. 404 00:19:20,640 --> 00:19:23,600 Speaker 1: Your opportunity cost of having that competition is now, I 405 00:19:23,640 --> 00:19:25,760 Speaker 1: don't have the five guys working together that are going 406 00:19:25,800 --> 00:19:28,159 Speaker 1: to be out there on Sunday. So you want to 407 00:19:28,160 --> 00:19:30,720 Speaker 1: wrap that up as quickly as possible. So when you 408 00:19:30,840 --> 00:19:34,400 Speaker 1: hear that the right guard competition is ongoing, you know 409 00:19:34,560 --> 00:19:36,840 Speaker 1: that there's not a clear winner right now, because if 410 00:19:36,840 --> 00:19:39,439 Speaker 1: there was a guy that was clearly heading shoulders above everybody, 411 00:19:39,440 --> 00:19:41,720 Speaker 1: they already would have named him the starter because they 412 00:19:41,760 --> 00:19:44,240 Speaker 1: want those guys working together as soon as they possibly 413 00:19:44,280 --> 00:19:48,000 Speaker 1: can so going deeper into the death chart, even though 414 00:19:48,040 --> 00:19:49,919 Speaker 1: there isn't a depth chart right now, if you if 415 00:19:49,960 --> 00:19:52,520 Speaker 1: you think about it, we have a rookie who's been 416 00:19:52,520 --> 00:19:54,920 Speaker 1: playing four positions right now, and Drew Forbes, who was 417 00:19:54,920 --> 00:19:56,960 Speaker 1: a tackle in college, who's pretty clearly not a tackle 418 00:19:57,000 --> 00:19:59,760 Speaker 1: in the NFL, but he's getting tackle reps at both sides, 419 00:20:00,000 --> 00:20:01,760 Speaker 1: and he's also getting guard reps at both sides. And 420 00:20:01,840 --> 00:20:03,760 Speaker 1: sometimes he'll go one play at left tackle and the 421 00:20:03,800 --> 00:20:06,760 Speaker 1: next play he's playing right guard, and he's playing next 422 00:20:06,760 --> 00:20:08,639 Speaker 1: to different people. Those people are also cycling out. So 423 00:20:08,640 --> 00:20:10,159 Speaker 1: can you kind of talk about the difficulties of that. 424 00:20:10,520 --> 00:20:12,480 Speaker 1: You know, you were pretty much a starter from day 425 00:20:12,480 --> 00:20:14,800 Speaker 1: one or close to it, so maybe you didn't experience 426 00:20:14,840 --> 00:20:16,399 Speaker 1: that as much. But I mean, that's got to be 427 00:20:16,480 --> 00:20:20,040 Speaker 1: pretty tough for a guy. I was really fortunate for 428 00:20:20,119 --> 00:20:23,360 Speaker 1: my entire career going back to college that I came 429 00:20:23,359 --> 00:20:25,760 Speaker 1: in as a left tackle, and I never took any 430 00:20:25,760 --> 00:20:28,480 Speaker 1: reps at anything but left tackle in college or in 431 00:20:28,520 --> 00:20:30,320 Speaker 1: the pros, except in the Pro Bowl when they stuck 432 00:20:30,320 --> 00:20:33,199 Speaker 1: me out at right tackle because Jonathan Ogden and the 433 00:20:33,240 --> 00:20:35,200 Speaker 1: other old guys were like, no, we didn't pay any 434 00:20:35,480 --> 00:20:37,680 Speaker 1: tackle though, right, Yeah, I played the defensive line in 435 00:20:37,720 --> 00:20:41,400 Speaker 1: college a little bit, but also left tackle. But I 436 00:20:41,440 --> 00:20:43,600 Speaker 1: was really lucky, and so I think that accelerated my 437 00:20:43,640 --> 00:20:47,200 Speaker 1: growth because I could focus on one thing. Um. So 438 00:20:47,320 --> 00:20:51,400 Speaker 1: it is very challenging because as an offensive lineman, football 439 00:20:51,480 --> 00:20:53,480 Speaker 1: is a game of a million little things, but offensive 440 00:20:53,480 --> 00:20:55,919 Speaker 1: line is a big game of ten million little things 441 00:20:56,400 --> 00:20:59,040 Speaker 1: and techniques and details that you have to put together 442 00:20:59,040 --> 00:21:01,480 Speaker 1: on every every play. And you can have one play 443 00:21:01,640 --> 00:21:04,520 Speaker 1: and it could be blocked a hundred different ways as 444 00:21:04,800 --> 00:21:07,000 Speaker 1: an offensive lineman, and you have to know the technique 445 00:21:07,200 --> 00:21:10,080 Speaker 1: that changes based on the defense and the approach and 446 00:21:10,080 --> 00:21:12,840 Speaker 1: and the front that you're getting and who's running the football, 447 00:21:12,960 --> 00:21:15,720 Speaker 1: and all those different factors come into play. And so 448 00:21:15,880 --> 00:21:20,160 Speaker 1: the more positions you play, you're just multiplying. If there's 449 00:21:20,240 --> 00:21:21,960 Speaker 1: ten million little things you have to learn to be 450 00:21:22,040 --> 00:21:25,040 Speaker 1: perfect at left tackle, and there's ten million things to 451 00:21:25,040 --> 00:21:27,439 Speaker 1: be perfect at right guard. If you're doing both, now 452 00:21:27,480 --> 00:21:29,400 Speaker 1: you're trying to learn twenty million things in the same 453 00:21:29,440 --> 00:21:33,359 Speaker 1: amount of time. So you're getting half the amount of 454 00:21:33,359 --> 00:21:36,120 Speaker 1: time to learn the same amount of things. Or now 455 00:21:36,160 --> 00:21:38,560 Speaker 1: if you've got three positions, you're learning three times as 456 00:21:38,640 --> 00:21:41,840 Speaker 1: much in the same amount of time. So it adds 457 00:21:41,880 --> 00:21:44,280 Speaker 1: a layer of difficulty, especially for somebody that might be 458 00:21:44,320 --> 00:21:47,040 Speaker 1: new to those positions. But what the coaches and the 459 00:21:47,040 --> 00:21:49,920 Speaker 1: scouts are going to be looking for is they're gonna say, 460 00:21:50,200 --> 00:21:53,719 Speaker 1: we understand maybe he's not as polished at this position 461 00:21:53,760 --> 00:21:56,679 Speaker 1: as somebody else, but they can see the development and 462 00:21:56,720 --> 00:21:59,960 Speaker 1: the progress that he's making. How quickly is he learning 463 00:22:00,240 --> 00:22:03,000 Speaker 1: Kenny bend his ankles, knees and and hips the way 464 00:22:03,040 --> 00:22:06,000 Speaker 1: he needs to, How does he move, how quickly does 465 00:22:06,040 --> 00:22:08,480 Speaker 1: he take up the coaching, is he remembering the plays? 466 00:22:08,520 --> 00:22:10,040 Speaker 1: Those are all the things that are going to play 467 00:22:10,080 --> 00:22:12,720 Speaker 1: into it because we know he's probably not competing for 468 00:22:12,720 --> 00:22:15,680 Speaker 1: a starting spot right now, so they're looking down the line, 469 00:22:15,840 --> 00:22:18,360 Speaker 1: what type of potential does he have where he could 470 00:22:18,359 --> 00:22:21,119 Speaker 1: maybe develop into a starter or at least two or 471 00:22:21,119 --> 00:22:23,159 Speaker 1: three or four years down the line, he's a really 472 00:22:23,280 --> 00:22:25,919 Speaker 1: solid first backup that comes in the game on the 473 00:22:25,960 --> 00:22:28,359 Speaker 1: offensive line. So kind of in that same vein Austin, 474 00:22:28,359 --> 00:22:30,840 Speaker 1: Corbett has been seeing some reps at both guard and center, 475 00:22:30,840 --> 00:22:33,720 Speaker 1: and he I saw on Saturday, you know, after watching 476 00:22:33,800 --> 00:22:37,120 Speaker 1: every day, he looks like he's getting really comfortable at center. Um, 477 00:22:37,400 --> 00:22:39,240 Speaker 1: you know, what's the value in that? And getting him 478 00:22:39,280 --> 00:22:41,520 Speaker 1: to play both positions. Obviously center and guard a little 479 00:22:41,520 --> 00:22:43,480 Speaker 1: bit more similar than a tackle to a center or 480 00:22:43,480 --> 00:22:44,879 Speaker 1: something that you're not really going to see that, but 481 00:22:45,200 --> 00:22:46,679 Speaker 1: you know what's the value on that. If you're going 482 00:22:46,720 --> 00:22:48,960 Speaker 1: to be a really good starter as a guard or 483 00:22:49,040 --> 00:22:51,120 Speaker 1: tackle in the NFL, it doesn't matter if you can 484 00:22:51,160 --> 00:22:54,520 Speaker 1: play the other inside three positions, But if you're going 485 00:22:54,600 --> 00:22:57,359 Speaker 1: to be a backup in the NFL, or even a 486 00:22:57,400 --> 00:23:01,679 Speaker 1: borderline starter as an in side three position player, you 487 00:23:01,800 --> 00:23:04,560 Speaker 1: have to be able to play all three. Because on 488 00:23:04,800 --> 00:23:07,560 Speaker 1: the game day roster they're only keeping seven offensive linemen 489 00:23:07,560 --> 00:23:09,919 Speaker 1: they're active. There's gonna be a one backup tackle and 490 00:23:09,920 --> 00:23:13,679 Speaker 1: there's one backup guard center. So if Austin is going 491 00:23:13,720 --> 00:23:15,960 Speaker 1: to be the backup this year, he's the first guy 492 00:23:16,000 --> 00:23:18,360 Speaker 1: that goes in the game. If the center goes down, 493 00:23:18,480 --> 00:23:19,800 Speaker 1: he's gonna have to be able to go in and 494 00:23:19,840 --> 00:23:22,160 Speaker 1: be the starting center. If the left guard goes down, 495 00:23:22,240 --> 00:23:23,680 Speaker 1: he's got to go in and know all the left 496 00:23:23,720 --> 00:23:26,359 Speaker 1: guard stuff. Same thing with the right guard. So it'll 497 00:23:26,400 --> 00:23:30,000 Speaker 1: be vital for him. If he's not named the starter 498 00:23:30,080 --> 00:23:32,560 Speaker 1: at right guard, he'll probably be the first backup that 499 00:23:32,600 --> 00:23:34,800 Speaker 1: comes in on the inside three. He has got to 500 00:23:34,840 --> 00:23:37,359 Speaker 1: be able to snap the football confidently, because if something 501 00:23:37,400 --> 00:23:42,600 Speaker 1: happens to your center position, like two thousand fourteen, Alex 502 00:23:42,680 --> 00:23:44,840 Speaker 1: Mac breaks his leg, who would have thought, you know, 503 00:23:45,080 --> 00:23:47,800 Speaker 1: another NFL iron man on our offensive line, the Pro 504 00:23:47,840 --> 00:23:50,000 Speaker 1: Bowl center breaks his leg. We lost him for the 505 00:23:50,000 --> 00:23:52,439 Speaker 1: whole year. John Greco, Who's a guard, He's not a center. 506 00:23:52,480 --> 00:23:54,600 Speaker 1: He was never snapping the football a day in his 507 00:23:54,680 --> 00:23:58,280 Speaker 1: life till shortly before that he is. Now you're starting center, 508 00:23:58,359 --> 00:24:01,040 Speaker 1: so he better be damn good because that center position 509 00:24:01,119 --> 00:24:03,760 Speaker 1: is really important. And so for Austin, I think this 510 00:24:03,840 --> 00:24:06,919 Speaker 1: really helps his career to be able to be comfortable 511 00:24:06,960 --> 00:24:09,200 Speaker 1: at that center position, because you want to be a 512 00:24:09,200 --> 00:24:11,160 Speaker 1: guard in the NFL, especially if you're not a Pro 513 00:24:11,240 --> 00:24:13,959 Speaker 1: Bowl if you're not Kevin Zeitler or Joe Bettonio Pro 514 00:24:14,040 --> 00:24:16,399 Speaker 1: Bowl guard, you have to be able to snap the 515 00:24:16,400 --> 00:24:19,080 Speaker 1: football and be confident as a center. Now they're out 516 00:24:19,160 --> 00:24:21,560 Speaker 1: a league. Where are you at with the importance of 517 00:24:21,560 --> 00:24:23,680 Speaker 1: these guys playing in the preseason? And I'm sure I 518 00:24:23,680 --> 00:24:25,600 Speaker 1: don't know if this thought has evolved as your career 519 00:24:25,640 --> 00:24:29,160 Speaker 1: went went went through. You know, to me, the preseasons, 520 00:24:29,160 --> 00:24:31,960 Speaker 1: it's kind of like a practice like that. You want 521 00:24:31,960 --> 00:24:35,600 Speaker 1: to walk that fine line between getting enough reps, enough 522 00:24:35,680 --> 00:24:38,840 Speaker 1: practices for your players that they're ready, but without taking 523 00:24:39,320 --> 00:24:43,000 Speaker 1: unnecessary risk. But risk is a funny thing because risk 524 00:24:43,080 --> 00:24:45,359 Speaker 1: is different to everybody. You know, I may be willing 525 00:24:45,400 --> 00:24:47,119 Speaker 1: to jump out of an airplane with a parachute, but 526 00:24:47,160 --> 00:24:50,360 Speaker 1: that might be too much risk for Jason Gibbs to take. 527 00:24:50,840 --> 00:24:52,760 Speaker 1: So every coach is going to be different, and they're 528 00:24:52,760 --> 00:24:55,919 Speaker 1: looking at all their different assets and finding out, you know, 529 00:24:56,119 --> 00:24:59,120 Speaker 1: how much does this guy need and can I risk 530 00:24:59,200 --> 00:25:01,720 Speaker 1: playing Baker with out playing all the starting offensive linement. 531 00:25:01,760 --> 00:25:04,440 Speaker 1: A lot of coaches don't think so, and so for me, 532 00:25:04,680 --> 00:25:07,679 Speaker 1: I'm still kind of a traditionalist with my approach. If 533 00:25:07,720 --> 00:25:09,640 Speaker 1: I was the head coach to preseason, I would say, 534 00:25:09,800 --> 00:25:12,320 Speaker 1: all right, the first preseason game, I want all my 535 00:25:12,400 --> 00:25:15,120 Speaker 1: guys to play for a quarter, my starters, and then 536 00:25:15,160 --> 00:25:17,040 Speaker 1: from there we'll kind of roll our way through the 537 00:25:17,080 --> 00:25:19,800 Speaker 1: second game. I want all my starters to play the 538 00:25:19,800 --> 00:25:22,679 Speaker 1: first two quarters because at some point you're gonna have 539 00:25:22,720 --> 00:25:24,840 Speaker 1: to put those guys out there and they're gonna have 540 00:25:24,920 --> 00:25:28,360 Speaker 1: to play football. They're gonna tackle, they're gonna block. It's 541 00:25:28,400 --> 00:25:32,199 Speaker 1: a physical game. You can't avoid that. And do you 542 00:25:32,240 --> 00:25:34,760 Speaker 1: want the first time those guys are having physical reps 543 00:25:34,800 --> 00:25:37,359 Speaker 1: to be the first game of the season. I don't 544 00:25:37,359 --> 00:25:40,000 Speaker 1: think so, because I think the first game of the 545 00:25:40,000 --> 00:25:43,439 Speaker 1: season is not a time to figure things out and 546 00:25:43,440 --> 00:25:46,000 Speaker 1: to feel your way through it. The first game of 547 00:25:46,040 --> 00:25:49,000 Speaker 1: the preseason is when you should sort of get some 548 00:25:49,040 --> 00:25:51,359 Speaker 1: of the rust off. I think, then the second game, 549 00:25:51,400 --> 00:25:54,320 Speaker 1: get a little more rust off. Third game, let's go, 550 00:25:54,960 --> 00:25:57,160 Speaker 1: it's the dress rehearsal, and then the fourth game. If 551 00:25:57,160 --> 00:25:59,080 Speaker 1: you don't want to play anybody in the fourth game, 552 00:25:59,119 --> 00:26:00,960 Speaker 1: I'm okay with that. If you want guys to play 553 00:26:01,000 --> 00:26:03,399 Speaker 1: for a quarter, I'm okay with that too. Whatever you 554 00:26:03,440 --> 00:26:06,200 Speaker 1: want to do, that's all good. But I do think 555 00:26:06,480 --> 00:26:08,639 Speaker 1: you want to get a little that rust off in 556 00:26:08,680 --> 00:26:12,600 Speaker 1: a live scenario in preseason, and then when you're going 557 00:26:12,760 --> 00:26:16,399 Speaker 1: that first regular season game against Tennessee, you're ready to 558 00:26:16,520 --> 00:26:18,640 Speaker 1: roll and you you don't have any of that rust left. 559 00:26:18,760 --> 00:26:22,119 Speaker 1: What do you How do you feel about practicing against 560 00:26:22,160 --> 00:26:26,520 Speaker 1: other teams and then playing them in the preseason. Um, 561 00:26:26,640 --> 00:26:30,200 Speaker 1: that's a little different scenario because when you're practicing against 562 00:26:30,240 --> 00:26:32,280 Speaker 1: another team. I only did it once. We went up 563 00:26:32,280 --> 00:26:35,119 Speaker 1: to Buffalo and we played against the bills in two thousand. 564 00:26:35,440 --> 00:26:39,639 Speaker 1: I don't know sixteen gribble. He's smarter, smarter with the 565 00:26:39,720 --> 00:26:42,320 Speaker 1: memory and that we took the train, which is kind 566 00:26:42,320 --> 00:26:44,320 Speaker 1: of cool. I actually have some fond memories from that 567 00:26:44,359 --> 00:26:46,479 Speaker 1: trip because it was different. Right. You you do all 568 00:26:46,480 --> 00:26:48,200 Speaker 1: these training camps in your life, and they're all kind 569 00:26:48,200 --> 00:26:51,040 Speaker 1: of the same, but you remember the different stuff. So, um, 570 00:26:51,160 --> 00:26:53,960 Speaker 1: I can't say I love practicing against another team because 571 00:26:54,280 --> 00:26:56,800 Speaker 1: there is a lot more pressure. But you don't want 572 00:26:56,800 --> 00:26:59,800 Speaker 1: to get beat by somebody else. Just like your offensive 573 00:26:59,800 --> 00:27:03,120 Speaker 1: line coach is going to be talking trash with their 574 00:27:03,160 --> 00:27:05,360 Speaker 1: defensive line coach. Well, I'm sure they know each other 575 00:27:05,600 --> 00:27:08,600 Speaker 1: if his guy wins a rep. So there's a lot 576 00:27:08,600 --> 00:27:11,280 Speaker 1: more competition, there's a lot more banging, it's a lot 577 00:27:11,359 --> 00:27:15,200 Speaker 1: more physical typically, um and so in because of that 578 00:27:15,359 --> 00:27:16,879 Speaker 1: a lot of times, then maybe you don't need the 579 00:27:16,920 --> 00:27:19,600 Speaker 1: preseason game as much at the end of the week 580 00:27:19,800 --> 00:27:23,639 Speaker 1: because you're kind of getting better reps during the week 581 00:27:23,800 --> 00:27:27,480 Speaker 1: against those guys. But I still think there is something too, 582 00:27:27,840 --> 00:27:30,800 Speaker 1: especially for the young guys, going through the motions of 583 00:27:30,840 --> 00:27:34,800 Speaker 1: getting to the stadium, going through warmups, getting yourself lathered up, 584 00:27:34,800 --> 00:27:37,360 Speaker 1: and feeling what those emotions are like as they get 585 00:27:37,440 --> 00:27:40,440 Speaker 1: ramped up for a game, going out under the stadium, 586 00:27:40,920 --> 00:27:43,199 Speaker 1: under the lights, with those fans in there, and just 587 00:27:43,560 --> 00:27:45,720 Speaker 1: start making that part of your routine and so that 588 00:27:45,800 --> 00:27:48,280 Speaker 1: the first time you do all that is not the 589 00:27:48,320 --> 00:27:52,840 Speaker 1: first Sunday in September. I just think getting in the 590 00:27:52,880 --> 00:27:54,720 Speaker 1: habit as much as you can, even if you just 591 00:27:54,760 --> 00:27:56,760 Speaker 1: go out and get the first couple of drives. I 592 00:27:57,160 --> 00:27:59,639 Speaker 1: do think there is more to be gained than the 593 00:27:59,760 --> 00:28:05,000 Speaker 1: risk taking of playing a few snaps. Biggest challenge facing 594 00:28:05,040 --> 00:28:08,200 Speaker 1: you now is an NFL network as on Thursday Night. 595 00:28:08,320 --> 00:28:12,960 Speaker 1: Oh the great question, Um, the biggest challenges being a 596 00:28:12,960 --> 00:28:15,520 Speaker 1: Browns fan. I follow the Browns, I love the Browns. 597 00:28:15,520 --> 00:28:17,400 Speaker 1: I know a lot about the Browns. But when you're 598 00:28:17,400 --> 00:28:20,760 Speaker 1: doing Thursday Night Football, you literally have a different team 599 00:28:20,800 --> 00:28:24,160 Speaker 1: every single week. There is no repeats because every team 600 00:28:24,160 --> 00:28:27,159 Speaker 1: only plays one Thursday game. So the research that you 601 00:28:27,240 --> 00:28:29,720 Speaker 1: have to do and the film study and the work 602 00:28:29,800 --> 00:28:32,920 Speaker 1: that goes in is brand new every single week. When 603 00:28:33,119 --> 00:28:35,680 Speaker 1: I'm doing Cleveland Browns dailier and I'm doing stuff with 604 00:28:35,760 --> 00:28:38,480 Speaker 1: the Browns, it just builds on itself and the themes 605 00:28:38,520 --> 00:28:41,720 Speaker 1: are consistent throughout the season. You know, the players you 606 00:28:41,720 --> 00:28:44,320 Speaker 1: know the stars. You know sort of how the offense 607 00:28:44,400 --> 00:28:46,240 Speaker 1: is doing, how the defense is doing, how the players 608 00:28:46,280 --> 00:28:49,280 Speaker 1: are performing, and so you don't have to relearn everything 609 00:28:49,320 --> 00:28:51,640 Speaker 1: about the team every single week, whereas when you're doing 610 00:28:51,680 --> 00:28:56,000 Speaker 1: Thursday night Football, it's everything new every single week. Joe, 611 00:28:56,000 --> 00:29:00,440 Speaker 1: I got one. Last one has been a guy Taki. 612 00:29:00,480 --> 00:29:02,440 Speaker 1: Taki has been a guy that's gotten under the skin 613 00:29:02,480 --> 00:29:04,960 Speaker 1: of some offensive players. I'm just wondering, going back in 614 00:29:05,000 --> 00:29:07,440 Speaker 1: your time the last ten years, was there a player 615 00:29:07,480 --> 00:29:09,840 Speaker 1: that kind of got into the skin of earside the ball? 616 00:29:09,880 --> 00:29:12,160 Speaker 1: And then does that go away once the season starts 617 00:29:12,200 --> 00:29:13,960 Speaker 1: and you guys are actually going up against different teams. 618 00:29:14,440 --> 00:29:17,280 Speaker 1: So the guys that get under your skin from an 619 00:29:17,320 --> 00:29:20,520 Speaker 1: offensive standpoint are usually the guys that have improven themselves 620 00:29:20,600 --> 00:29:24,360 Speaker 1: yet but are going a little bit out of control, 621 00:29:24,600 --> 00:29:28,280 Speaker 1: maybe a little bit wild, where you think that maybe 622 00:29:28,320 --> 00:29:30,800 Speaker 1: they are hitting your running back a little too hard 623 00:29:30,840 --> 00:29:33,520 Speaker 1: after the whistle, they're giving that extra push, that shove 624 00:29:33,800 --> 00:29:36,800 Speaker 1: and they haven't earned it yet, right, so uh A. 625 00:29:36,880 --> 00:29:41,000 Speaker 1: Robert Smith was a longtime defensive lineman in the league, 626 00:29:41,000 --> 00:29:44,600 Speaker 1: and if anybody touched him one half a second after 627 00:29:44,640 --> 00:29:47,600 Speaker 1: the whistle, he was thrown down and having a fight immediately. 628 00:29:48,480 --> 00:29:52,120 Speaker 1: Except me and him, we were cool. Like if you 629 00:29:52,160 --> 00:29:55,040 Speaker 1: had earned your pelts on that wall, he was cool. 630 00:29:55,240 --> 00:29:57,160 Speaker 1: But if you were a guy that hasn't had a 631 00:29:57,160 --> 00:29:59,320 Speaker 1: lot of snaps in the NFL, you were as good 632 00:29:59,320 --> 00:30:04,880 Speaker 1: as dead. And uh, I remember um man. The name 633 00:30:05,400 --> 00:30:09,160 Speaker 1: Titus Brown not a guy that probably a lot of 634 00:30:09,200 --> 00:30:13,600 Speaker 1: Browns fans remember, but he terrorized the offense during training 635 00:30:13,640 --> 00:30:15,920 Speaker 1: camp because he had some good moments and he would 636 00:30:15,960 --> 00:30:17,520 Speaker 1: jump the snap and he would do a lot of 637 00:30:17,520 --> 00:30:20,120 Speaker 1: things that get under your skin, like hitting your running 638 00:30:20,120 --> 00:30:23,120 Speaker 1: backs late. He would give the extra shove in your 639 00:30:23,160 --> 00:30:26,000 Speaker 1: back after the play was over. He would maybe when 640 00:30:26,080 --> 00:30:28,440 Speaker 1: you were in the third period, which just means wrap up. 641 00:30:28,440 --> 00:30:31,040 Speaker 1: It means wrap up and don't tackle. He would maybe 642 00:30:31,080 --> 00:30:33,080 Speaker 1: wrap up and and just act like he fell to 643 00:30:33,160 --> 00:30:36,040 Speaker 1: the ground and tackle your you're running backs, and so uh, 644 00:30:36,400 --> 00:30:39,200 Speaker 1: he would definitely get under your skin. But once you 645 00:30:39,320 --> 00:30:42,160 Speaker 1: do that as a player, then you either go one 646 00:30:42,160 --> 00:30:44,719 Speaker 1: way or the other. Usually you go and you become 647 00:30:45,040 --> 00:30:47,720 Speaker 1: a solid starter and sort of a really good player 648 00:30:47,720 --> 00:30:49,600 Speaker 1: in the NFL, and it's like, wow, that guy's a 649 00:30:49,600 --> 00:30:52,520 Speaker 1: wild man. He plays the right way, or you're the 650 00:30:52,560 --> 00:30:54,560 Speaker 1: guy that falls off the map and you never you're 651 00:30:54,600 --> 00:30:59,200 Speaker 1: from him again. So hopefully he becomes that household big 652 00:30:59,240 --> 00:31:02,800 Speaker 1: time starter. Joe appreciate the time man, thanks so much. 653 00:31:03,000 --> 00:31:05,320 Speaker 1: Always good being on with you guys, and best wishes 654 00:31:05,360 --> 00:31:09,600 Speaker 1: here with the the Thursday night career. Is it nice 655 00:31:09,600 --> 00:31:12,080 Speaker 1: being home with a fan and the kids? How was 656 00:31:12,160 --> 00:31:15,800 Speaker 1: daddy daycare? Yeah, daddy daycare is crazy. I told somebody 657 00:31:15,840 --> 00:31:19,320 Speaker 1: this morning. When we got out to Cleveland on Saturday, 658 00:31:19,400 --> 00:31:21,760 Speaker 1: we had a bunch of stuff going on. So Sunday morning, 659 00:31:21,760 --> 00:31:24,480 Speaker 1: we took the kids to brunch and uh, I like 660 00:31:24,560 --> 00:31:26,760 Speaker 1: to eat still. I know sometimes it doesn't look like it, 661 00:31:26,880 --> 00:31:29,360 Speaker 1: but I was really looking forward to a good brunch. 662 00:31:29,440 --> 00:31:31,560 Speaker 1: We were in Tremont. We were we were going on 663 00:31:31,560 --> 00:31:34,440 Speaker 1: a Fahrenheight. We've got a great Sunday brunch. Well, Fahrenheit 664 00:31:34,560 --> 00:31:36,480 Speaker 1: was closed for a private party, which was sad. So 665 00:31:36,560 --> 00:31:38,200 Speaker 1: we walked on the street in to a different place 666 00:31:38,680 --> 00:31:41,160 Speaker 1: and we sat down and within the first ten minutes, 667 00:31:41,840 --> 00:31:45,800 Speaker 1: three out of my four kids have all uh spilled 668 00:31:45,880 --> 00:31:49,280 Speaker 1: an entire glass of water on the floor. Then my 669 00:31:49,400 --> 00:31:53,160 Speaker 1: second daughter had dropped three different forks on the ground 670 00:31:53,600 --> 00:31:56,400 Speaker 1: and all of her scrambled eggs ended up on the floor. 671 00:31:56,560 --> 00:31:59,960 Speaker 1: My son looked like a coal miner because the waitress 672 00:32:00,000 --> 00:32:01,920 Speaker 1: had given him chalk and there was a chalkboard behind 673 00:32:02,040 --> 00:32:03,720 Speaker 1: us that he could drawn, but he didn't realize that 674 00:32:03,800 --> 00:32:06,800 Speaker 1: like chalk goes everywhere, so he had like black chalk 675 00:32:07,320 --> 00:32:10,160 Speaker 1: all over half of his face, covering both his hands 676 00:32:10,200 --> 00:32:15,000 Speaker 1: and his arms. Uh. It was basically an enormous disaster, 677 00:32:15,200 --> 00:32:17,920 Speaker 1: and I was dripping sweat because I was so stressed 678 00:32:17,920 --> 00:32:20,680 Speaker 1: out at the end of that brunch that I canceled dinner. 679 00:32:20,840 --> 00:32:23,160 Speaker 1: I'm like, that's it, We're not eating dinner. I'm gonna 680 00:32:23,200 --> 00:32:25,320 Speaker 1: like stop at McDonald's and throw hamburgers at you guys 681 00:32:25,360 --> 00:32:27,440 Speaker 1: on the way home because I can't stand one more 682 00:32:27,440 --> 00:32:31,000 Speaker 1: minute in the restaurant with you animals. Gribble canceled family vacations. 683 00:32:31,000 --> 00:32:35,080 Speaker 1: Gribble canceled. No, No, it's just kids like summer. If 684 00:32:35,080 --> 00:32:38,720 Speaker 1: you guys don't shut up in the back vacations when 685 00:32:38,760 --> 00:32:40,440 Speaker 1: the kids are three and one, I mean they're not 686 00:32:40,440 --> 00:32:47,520 Speaker 1: getting they're not enjoying and drudgery. And then and then 687 00:32:47,560 --> 00:32:49,480 Speaker 1: that I listened to like a Jim Gaffigan bit where 688 00:32:49,480 --> 00:32:51,480 Speaker 1: he's like, we spend all these hard months in the 689 00:32:51,480 --> 00:32:54,120 Speaker 1: Midwest just suffering through winter and then the summer comes, 690 00:32:54,120 --> 00:32:57,760 Speaker 1: we all leave. So I'm fully bought in when there's 691 00:32:57,760 --> 00:33:01,120 Speaker 1: maybe like six and maybe all may people. Jim Jaffigan 692 00:33:01,200 --> 00:33:03,440 Speaker 1: is great. He's got like five kids or six kids, 693 00:33:03,640 --> 00:33:05,840 Speaker 1: and he's so funny about it and still really I 694 00:33:05,880 --> 00:33:09,480 Speaker 1: love listening. He speaks right to me my family. Thanks 695 00:33:09,480 --> 00:33:14,120 Speaker 1: to Joe Thomas for his time and just great stuff 696 00:33:14,160 --> 00:33:17,080 Speaker 1: all the way around from him. It's so great to 697 00:33:17,160 --> 00:33:21,120 Speaker 1: have a guy like that that's still around that still 698 00:33:21,240 --> 00:33:23,600 Speaker 1: we'll talk to the players on this football team that 699 00:33:23,720 --> 00:33:26,520 Speaker 1: is still wants to be a part of this franchise, 700 00:33:26,560 --> 00:33:28,760 Speaker 1: in this organization in some way shape for him, even 701 00:33:28,960 --> 00:33:32,280 Speaker 1: though he's with the national media, I guarantee he's working with, 702 00:33:32,680 --> 00:33:35,000 Speaker 1: you know, an offensive player on this football team here, 703 00:33:35,000 --> 00:33:39,080 Speaker 1: and they're some of the younger guys lending tidbits and whatnot. 704 00:33:39,480 --> 00:33:41,280 Speaker 1: You know, when he came on with us, he said, 705 00:33:42,600 --> 00:33:45,600 Speaker 1: before he came on, he said, I've watched the offensive 706 00:33:45,640 --> 00:33:49,920 Speaker 1: line a lot today. So I think it's just great 707 00:33:49,960 --> 00:33:51,920 Speaker 1: to have someone like that in the building that those 708 00:33:51,960 --> 00:33:54,800 Speaker 1: guys can maybe bounce some things off of. Yeah, I 709 00:33:54,800 --> 00:33:57,520 Speaker 1: think there's a there's a ton of value in having 710 00:33:57,560 --> 00:34:00,200 Speaker 1: a guy like Joe Thomas Hughes got a all a 711 00:34:00,200 --> 00:34:02,200 Speaker 1: fame perspective. I mean, let's face it, he didn't get 712 00:34:02,240 --> 00:34:03,640 Speaker 1: to win a lot of games, but he was an 713 00:34:03,720 --> 00:34:07,040 Speaker 1: excellent player and being able to come help with the team, 714 00:34:07,120 --> 00:34:09,480 Speaker 1: whether it's just you know, hey, how should I get 715 00:34:09,520 --> 00:34:11,800 Speaker 1: through this rough part of camp or how should I 716 00:34:11,800 --> 00:34:13,759 Speaker 1: work on this or that or the other, it's it's 717 00:34:13,760 --> 00:34:16,320 Speaker 1: a it's an asset that you'd be hard pressed to 718 00:34:16,360 --> 00:34:19,680 Speaker 1: find in every other NFL team headquarters. Yeah. I thought 719 00:34:19,680 --> 00:34:21,239 Speaker 1: the best answer he gave us, though, was when I 720 00:34:21,280 --> 00:34:23,960 Speaker 1: asked him about the offensive line competition, and he made 721 00:34:23,960 --> 00:34:25,800 Speaker 1: it pretty clear that if there was a front runner 722 00:34:25,800 --> 00:34:28,040 Speaker 1: for this job, they would have been named by now. 723 00:34:28,120 --> 00:34:30,799 Speaker 1: And that's something we've been been following here daily. But 724 00:34:31,520 --> 00:34:33,759 Speaker 1: it goes into mentioning something briefly about practice that we 725 00:34:33,760 --> 00:34:36,439 Speaker 1: didn't cover in the beginning. Eric Cush at right guard 726 00:34:36,440 --> 00:34:38,800 Speaker 1: for a second consecutive day, and that makes you wonder, 727 00:34:39,360 --> 00:34:41,520 Speaker 1: is this the guy that's maybe taking not maybe a 728 00:34:41,560 --> 00:34:45,640 Speaker 1: front runner, but is making a move. And then now now, 729 00:34:45,640 --> 00:34:47,600 Speaker 1: all of a sudden, I was going into Thursday thinking, oh, 730 00:34:47,680 --> 00:34:49,719 Speaker 1: it's likely gonna be Austin Corbett to start off, But 731 00:34:49,800 --> 00:34:52,480 Speaker 1: now now we wonder if if this means it might 732 00:34:52,480 --> 00:34:55,920 Speaker 1: be Eric Cush. Yeah, that's a good point. It's also 733 00:34:56,000 --> 00:34:57,840 Speaker 1: I've kind of struggled on how I want to judge this, 734 00:34:57,880 --> 00:35:00,080 Speaker 1: and I think Freddie's answer probably swayed us more towards this, 735 00:35:00,200 --> 00:35:04,160 Speaker 1: maybe more significant than I than I thought, because Eric 736 00:35:04,200 --> 00:35:06,000 Speaker 1: got the you know, got the start. It was his 737 00:35:06,040 --> 00:35:08,120 Speaker 1: day or whatever in the rotation Saturday, but they rotated 738 00:35:08,120 --> 00:35:09,920 Speaker 1: a lot more. You know, it wasn't like he was 739 00:35:10,000 --> 00:35:11,600 Speaker 1: just with the ones. We saw other guys in the 740 00:35:11,600 --> 00:35:13,680 Speaker 1: position as well, So at that point it was like, well, 741 00:35:13,719 --> 00:35:15,319 Speaker 1: is this actually a day in the rotation or not? 742 00:35:15,440 --> 00:35:18,160 Speaker 1: So if you then move from Saturday to today, well 743 00:35:18,160 --> 00:35:19,960 Speaker 1: maybe this is where the rotation resumes. I think we're 744 00:35:19,960 --> 00:35:21,840 Speaker 1: gonna find out a lot more if we see Austin 745 00:35:21,880 --> 00:35:23,960 Speaker 1: Corvette playing tomorrow. You're not gonna get a whole lot 746 00:35:23,960 --> 00:35:26,040 Speaker 1: on Wednesday because it's the day before the game. So again, 747 00:35:26,080 --> 00:35:27,880 Speaker 1: our biggest indicator is gonna be Thursday. But the way 748 00:35:27,880 --> 00:35:31,200 Speaker 1: that Freddy answer is today was nobody's really separated themselves 749 00:35:31,239 --> 00:35:32,879 Speaker 1: and I want someone to So maybe this a little 750 00:35:32,880 --> 00:35:35,359 Speaker 1: bit of kicking the pants to everybody in that group 751 00:35:35,440 --> 00:35:37,280 Speaker 1: that hey, look I'm gonna give this guy a second 752 00:35:37,280 --> 00:35:40,239 Speaker 1: look and really a full practice with the ones. You 753 00:35:40,280 --> 00:35:42,080 Speaker 1: better catch up or you better match what he's bringing 754 00:35:42,080 --> 00:35:43,799 Speaker 1: to the table. And you know what, so far through 755 00:35:43,800 --> 00:35:46,239 Speaker 1: all these practices, I can't disagree with him at all. 756 00:35:46,280 --> 00:35:47,719 Speaker 1: I mean I can't argue with him. I thought Eric 757 00:35:47,760 --> 00:35:50,400 Speaker 1: Cush has looked the best so far at the guard position, 758 00:35:50,440 --> 00:35:52,840 Speaker 1: so I think he's earned it. Obviously, we'll be looking 759 00:35:52,880 --> 00:35:56,080 Speaker 1: on Tuesday to see who lines up at that guard position. 760 00:35:56,160 --> 00:35:58,439 Speaker 1: What else will you be looking for? Gribbs will start 761 00:35:58,480 --> 00:36:00,880 Speaker 1: with you, you know, I I just want to see 762 00:36:01,000 --> 00:36:03,919 Speaker 1: hopefully some more guys on the field, and that will 763 00:36:03,920 --> 00:36:07,200 Speaker 1: give me a gauge. I think this Tuesday's practice, if 764 00:36:07,320 --> 00:36:09,480 Speaker 1: if a guy is probably not practicing Tuesday, they're probably 765 00:36:09,480 --> 00:36:11,279 Speaker 1: not playing Thursday. So that will kind of give you 766 00:36:11,320 --> 00:36:14,160 Speaker 1: the the glimpse of of who's likely going to be 767 00:36:14,160 --> 00:36:16,080 Speaker 1: on the field Thursday against the Redskins and who's probably 768 00:36:16,120 --> 00:36:19,080 Speaker 1: gonna be on the sidelines for precautionary reasons. It will 769 00:36:19,120 --> 00:36:20,560 Speaker 1: be interesting to see how much more they work in 770 00:36:20,640 --> 00:36:22,520 Speaker 1: Kareem Hunt with what they're doing, and if that means 771 00:36:22,520 --> 00:36:25,600 Speaker 1: he'll be ready for Thursday. You know, outside that just 772 00:36:26,560 --> 00:36:29,320 Speaker 1: hopefully you have a better practice than you did today 773 00:36:29,400 --> 00:36:31,680 Speaker 1: and I kind of get some some better feelings. And 774 00:36:32,040 --> 00:36:35,200 Speaker 1: I think this team has done well after they had 775 00:36:35,239 --> 00:36:37,160 Speaker 1: kind of a lousy practice that last Monday, and they 776 00:36:37,160 --> 00:36:38,839 Speaker 1: came back strong and had a good week last week. 777 00:36:38,880 --> 00:36:40,880 Speaker 1: So they were due for maybe a little bit of 778 00:36:40,960 --> 00:36:43,760 Speaker 1: a of a step back, but I'd expect they practice 779 00:36:43,800 --> 00:36:45,680 Speaker 1: better and we'll have a few more highlights to talk about. 780 00:36:45,840 --> 00:36:47,719 Speaker 1: I'm not in a rush to get Kareem Hunt back 781 00:36:47,760 --> 00:36:49,759 Speaker 1: on the field, because you know, he had this growing 782 00:36:49,800 --> 00:36:51,200 Speaker 1: injury that he said he doesn't have much of a 783 00:36:51,280 --> 00:36:54,120 Speaker 1: history with, so you know, if you want to, you know, 784 00:36:54,360 --> 00:36:56,720 Speaker 1: take it along slowly as much as you want. That's fine. 785 00:36:56,760 --> 00:36:58,480 Speaker 1: I don't have any issue with that as well, especially 786 00:36:58,480 --> 00:37:00,840 Speaker 1: since he's gonna miss the first eight weeks regular season. Anyways, 787 00:37:00,840 --> 00:37:02,000 Speaker 1: It's not you really have to get him ready for 788 00:37:02,040 --> 00:37:04,359 Speaker 1: anything specifically, So that's fine if he doesn't play. It's 789 00:37:04,360 --> 00:37:06,080 Speaker 1: fine if he doesn't practice this week, but it is 790 00:37:06,120 --> 00:37:08,080 Speaker 1: still interesting to keep an eye up for. I'm really 791 00:37:08,120 --> 00:37:11,200 Speaker 1: looking forward to seeing who takes the field with the 792 00:37:11,239 --> 00:37:15,440 Speaker 1: ones in the defensive backfield because we've seen Greedy Williams 793 00:37:15,480 --> 00:37:19,160 Speaker 1: takes snaps as the outside corner opposite Denzel Award. We 794 00:37:19,200 --> 00:37:21,719 Speaker 1: saw Terrence Mitchell play in the slot today with the ones, 795 00:37:21,800 --> 00:37:23,680 Speaker 1: and he made a nice play, almost had an interception. 796 00:37:23,800 --> 00:37:27,080 Speaker 1: So who comes out in the field. How many guys 797 00:37:27,080 --> 00:37:29,000 Speaker 1: do they rotating in and out with the you know, 798 00:37:29,280 --> 00:37:32,400 Speaker 1: theoretical first team. Uh, that's what I want to see 799 00:37:32,440 --> 00:37:35,080 Speaker 1: both tomorrow and then when we get to Thursday. All right, 800 00:37:35,400 --> 00:37:38,640 Speaker 1: we shall join you tomorrow for day number eleven of 801 00:37:38,760 --> 00:37:43,319 Speaker 1: Brown's training. Can't practice ten am to noon. Knock on 802 00:37:43,320 --> 00:37:45,640 Speaker 1: wood might be the first chance we see to actually 803 00:37:45,640 --> 00:37:50,200 Speaker 1: have a little rain and possibly moving indoors. We'll see, 804 00:37:49,920 --> 00:37:54,520 Speaker 1: I I it might hold off. It changes hourly right now, 805 00:37:54,560 --> 00:37:57,319 Speaker 1: but we will wait and see. If not, it will 806 00:37:57,360 --> 00:38:00,520 Speaker 1: be another hot day, to be sure. For to Gribble 807 00:38:01,120 --> 00:38:03,440 Speaker 1: for Nick Shook, I'm Jason Gibbs. You can get this 808 00:38:03,480 --> 00:38:07,120 Speaker 1: podcast wherever you download your podcasts, or by logging up 809 00:38:07,160 --> 00:38:10,120 Speaker 1: to Cleveland Browns dot com. This has been the best 810 00:38:10,239 --> 00:38:11,480 Speaker 1: podcast available