1 00:00:00,520 --> 00:00:03,240 Speaker 1: Hi, It's Andrea, host of Betrayal, and I want to 2 00:00:03,279 --> 00:00:06,640 Speaker 1: share my new podcast called Therein Gone South Street. I 3 00:00:06,680 --> 00:00:09,879 Speaker 1: spent the last three years investigating the disappearance of two 4 00:00:09,960 --> 00:00:13,200 Speaker 1: adults who vanished without a trace on one of the 5 00:00:13,240 --> 00:00:16,400 Speaker 1: busiest streets in Philadelphia, the city I grew up in. 6 00:00:17,920 --> 00:00:21,239 Speaker 1: It's been almost twenty years since Richard Patrone and Danielle 7 00:00:21,320 --> 00:00:25,360 Speaker 1: Embo went missing. It's become a Philadelphia urban legend, a 8 00:00:25,400 --> 00:00:28,920 Speaker 1: story that haunts the city to this day. There are 9 00:00:28,960 --> 00:00:32,519 Speaker 1: no suspects, no evidence, and no justice for the families 10 00:00:32,520 --> 00:00:36,519 Speaker 1: of the missing. Every story we produce is personal, but 11 00:00:36,600 --> 00:00:40,199 Speaker 1: this one feels even more so because it happened in 12 00:00:40,240 --> 00:00:43,400 Speaker 1: my backyard. I was in high school when they disappeared, 13 00:00:43,720 --> 00:00:45,879 Speaker 1: and for years I drove by a billboard on I 14 00:00:46,000 --> 00:00:49,440 Speaker 1: ninety five South with photos of Richard and Danielle smiling, 15 00:00:49,960 --> 00:00:53,800 Speaker 1: full of life, with a message asking for tips. And 16 00:00:53,880 --> 00:00:57,480 Speaker 1: here's the thing, according to law enforcement, there are still 17 00:00:57,640 --> 00:01:01,560 Speaker 1: people out there who know what happen to them. That's 18 00:01:01,600 --> 00:01:04,080 Speaker 1: why I decided to take this on three years ago. 19 00:01:04,600 --> 00:01:08,480 Speaker 1: Through our own investigation, We've turned over every lead, spoken 20 00:01:08,520 --> 00:01:11,440 Speaker 1: with the families, and worked with the FBI, and there 21 00:01:11,520 --> 00:01:14,360 Speaker 1: and gone South Street, and we've been hearing from people 22 00:01:14,400 --> 00:01:18,039 Speaker 1: in Philadelphia. I have to share I was really touched 23 00:01:18,040 --> 00:01:21,280 Speaker 1: when Betrayals Ashley Lytton called me to tell me she 24 00:01:21,480 --> 00:01:24,000 Speaker 1: was listening to the new series, Drey. 25 00:01:24,080 --> 00:01:28,000 Speaker 2: You know that I'm a huge crime podcast buff. 26 00:01:28,240 --> 00:01:29,360 Speaker 1: That's that's how we met. 27 00:01:29,840 --> 00:01:31,880 Speaker 2: And of course I wouldn't miss you know, any of 28 00:01:31,920 --> 00:01:36,280 Speaker 2: your projects that you've been working on. I was in 29 00:01:36,280 --> 00:01:39,120 Speaker 2: my car on like a break listening and I was 30 00:01:39,200 --> 00:01:42,160 Speaker 2: crying and it was so hot outside. I was like, 31 00:01:42,520 --> 00:01:45,000 Speaker 2: it is so hot and I have the fucking chills. 32 00:01:45,560 --> 00:01:49,480 Speaker 1: So what part gave you the chills? What resonated it? 33 00:01:49,480 --> 00:01:53,560 Speaker 2: It did resonate with me. Richard and Danielle. They have children, 34 00:01:53,840 --> 00:01:57,279 Speaker 2: they have established lives, they have loving families. But another 35 00:01:57,360 --> 00:02:00,320 Speaker 2: thing that really hit me was that is it's been 36 00:02:00,440 --> 00:02:04,960 Speaker 2: nineteen years, because there has to be somebody that knows something, 37 00:02:05,680 --> 00:02:10,520 Speaker 2: like somebody has heard something, or somebody slipped when they'd 38 00:02:10,520 --> 00:02:13,600 Speaker 2: been drinking, or you know, friends of a friend, or 39 00:02:13,680 --> 00:02:16,760 Speaker 2: you know what I mean, somebody knows something. Why isn't 40 00:02:16,760 --> 00:02:17,920 Speaker 2: anybody coming forward. 41 00:02:18,720 --> 00:02:23,240 Speaker 1: I love this city deeply, and anyone from Philadelphia there's 42 00:02:23,440 --> 00:02:29,320 Speaker 1: just this love that runs so deep and the pride 43 00:02:29,560 --> 00:02:33,160 Speaker 1: that we have, but I've learned to also, at the 44 00:02:33,200 --> 00:02:36,720 Speaker 1: same time, fear the city in a way I didn't 45 00:02:36,919 --> 00:02:43,600 Speaker 1: realize just how pervasive and how dark and how scary 46 00:02:43,680 --> 00:02:44,720 Speaker 1: this city could be. 47 00:02:45,360 --> 00:02:45,720 Speaker 3: Wow. 48 00:02:47,280 --> 00:02:51,440 Speaker 2: I think those that have listened and really heard my 49 00:02:51,600 --> 00:02:55,799 Speaker 2: story on Betrell season two will be compelled to listen 50 00:02:55,840 --> 00:02:59,760 Speaker 2: to There and Gone South Street because of what you do. 51 00:03:01,160 --> 00:03:06,320 Speaker 2: I see how much of you you put into your work, 52 00:03:06,680 --> 00:03:11,160 Speaker 2: because I know it's so genuine and authentic. You don't 53 00:03:11,320 --> 00:03:12,720 Speaker 2: just work this, You've lived. 54 00:03:13,400 --> 00:03:17,040 Speaker 1: I really appreciate your words. Ash, Thank you. I want 55 00:03:17,320 --> 00:03:19,519 Speaker 1: nothing more than for our work to bring those who 56 00:03:19,600 --> 00:03:23,919 Speaker 1: harmed Richard and Danielle to justice. So, listeners, I want 57 00:03:23,919 --> 00:03:26,840 Speaker 1: to share with you a special ad free presentation of 58 00:03:26,960 --> 00:03:30,520 Speaker 1: episode one of Therein Gone South Street. Please take a 59 00:03:30,520 --> 00:03:33,520 Speaker 1: moment to listen, and if you're enjoying the show, just 60 00:03:33,639 --> 00:03:37,720 Speaker 1: know new episodes drop every Monday on the iHeartRadio app, 61 00:03:38,040 --> 00:03:41,880 Speaker 1: Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. And if 62 00:03:41,920 --> 00:03:44,360 Speaker 1: you want to listen to episodes one week early in 63 00:03:44,480 --> 00:03:47,120 Speaker 1: ad free, you can sign up for iHeart True Crime 64 00:03:47,120 --> 00:03:51,280 Speaker 1: Plus exclusively on Apple Podcasts. So here is episode one 65 00:03:51,400 --> 00:03:52,680 Speaker 1: of there In Gone South Street. 66 00:03:54,800 --> 00:03:59,840 Speaker 4: Throughout this entire time Danielle's been missing. Trying to find 67 00:04:00,800 --> 00:04:05,720 Speaker 4: literally consumed me. Some psychic called my mother in law 68 00:04:05,720 --> 00:04:11,920 Speaker 4: and said Danielle was dying in a box car. So 69 00:04:12,320 --> 00:04:15,120 Speaker 4: in the middle of the night, I went down to 70 00:04:15,200 --> 00:04:17,960 Speaker 4: Philadelphia and searched the train tracks under the bridge with 71 00:04:18,040 --> 00:04:24,279 Speaker 4: a flashlight. Here I am scaling this fence at midnight 72 00:04:24,640 --> 00:04:32,440 Speaker 4: with a flashlight looking in box cars. I got in 73 00:04:32,440 --> 00:04:38,000 Speaker 4: trouble for that one. The Mount Laurel police detective called 74 00:04:38,000 --> 00:04:40,520 Speaker 4: me up screaming, telling me that they had to stop 75 00:04:40,680 --> 00:04:43,560 Speaker 4: all of commerce in Pennsylvania to get me out of 76 00:04:43,560 --> 00:04:48,800 Speaker 4: the railroad because I was looking in railroad cars. I 77 00:04:48,960 --> 00:04:51,560 Speaker 4: just can't stop. It just consumed me. 78 00:04:52,480 --> 00:04:56,159 Speaker 1: That's Johonna Tobray. His sister Danielle went missing in February 79 00:04:56,160 --> 00:05:00,360 Speaker 1: of two thousand and five, but she wasn't alone. Kmielle 80 00:05:00,400 --> 00:05:03,839 Speaker 1: and her friend Richard left a bar and simply vanished. 81 00:05:04,800 --> 00:05:08,120 Speaker 1: Nineteen years later, they still have yet to be found. 82 00:05:08,960 --> 00:05:10,760 Speaker 4: She was my sister, she was my friend, she was 83 00:05:10,839 --> 00:05:17,200 Speaker 4: my blood. I would do anything for her throughout all 84 00:05:17,240 --> 00:05:24,080 Speaker 4: these years. Speaking with the FBI, I know my sister 85 00:05:24,160 --> 00:05:28,840 Speaker 4: died that night, but to this day, I still don't know. 86 00:05:30,440 --> 00:05:35,840 Speaker 4: I can't stop my mind from wandering to the darker things. 87 00:05:37,160 --> 00:05:39,679 Speaker 4: She alone? Was she scared? Was she calling out for someone? 88 00:05:42,640 --> 00:05:47,560 Speaker 4: For all I know? They have all this information, the FBI. 89 00:05:48,240 --> 00:05:49,839 Speaker 1: So what does the FBI say? 90 00:05:50,520 --> 00:05:54,240 Speaker 5: We have several working theories. We've done a number of 91 00:05:54,279 --> 00:05:57,840 Speaker 5: searches in different areas. We have a lot of folks 92 00:05:57,920 --> 00:06:01,880 Speaker 5: that we've talked to. We have statements, phone records. I 93 00:06:02,000 --> 00:06:04,760 Speaker 5: probably have the silver bullet and all of that stuff. 94 00:06:04,800 --> 00:06:09,320 Speaker 5: I need somebody to tie it together. This needs to 95 00:06:09,320 --> 00:06:10,320 Speaker 5: get solved. 96 00:06:12,440 --> 00:06:16,599 Speaker 1: I'm Andrea Gunning and this is therein Gone South Street 97 00:06:18,000 --> 00:06:20,200 Speaker 1: Episode one, Ghosts. 98 00:06:22,400 --> 00:06:29,320 Speaker 3: All that I know is I say you in my dream, 99 00:06:29,600 --> 00:06:31,880 Speaker 3: reached out on the dog. 100 00:06:34,040 --> 00:06:36,200 Speaker 1: For you filast to me. 101 00:06:36,920 --> 00:06:38,760 Speaker 3: I'll never get up. 102 00:06:40,680 --> 00:06:42,440 Speaker 1: No matter how long. 103 00:06:44,520 --> 00:06:51,200 Speaker 3: I opened my eyes. Define your Gone. 104 00:06:56,120 --> 00:06:58,880 Speaker 1: A Note that the views and opinions expressed in this 105 00:06:58,920 --> 00:07:03,200 Speaker 1: podcast are sole those of the individuals participating. This podcast 106 00:07:03,240 --> 00:07:06,440 Speaker 1: contains subject matter which may not be suitable for everyone. 107 00:07:07,080 --> 00:07:14,560 Speaker 1: Discretion is advised. For fifteen years, Danielle and Richard were 108 00:07:14,560 --> 00:07:18,119 Speaker 1: strangers to me. Ghosts that loomed over I ninety five South. 109 00:07:18,920 --> 00:07:21,760 Speaker 1: It's the stretch of highway that connects Philadelphia to New 110 00:07:21,840 --> 00:07:25,760 Speaker 1: York City. Each side is lined with billboards. Most are 111 00:07:25,800 --> 00:07:30,080 Speaker 1: ads for ambulance chasers or beer, but one shows two 112 00:07:30,080 --> 00:07:34,400 Speaker 1: smiling faces next to the word missing. It's Danielle Mbau 113 00:07:34,520 --> 00:07:38,880 Speaker 1: and Richard Patron, and it's been there for almost twenty years. 114 00:07:39,360 --> 00:07:41,560 Speaker 6: Inbo and Patron, we're last seen leaving a South Street 115 00:07:41,600 --> 00:07:44,560 Speaker 6: bar in the late evening of February nineteenth, two thousand 116 00:07:44,560 --> 00:07:45,000 Speaker 6: and five. 117 00:07:45,640 --> 00:07:48,200 Speaker 1: I knew their faces, I knew their names. 118 00:07:49,560 --> 00:07:52,040 Speaker 6: Investigators have turned up a few promising leaves, but have 119 00:07:52,160 --> 00:07:53,440 Speaker 6: not found the couple. 120 00:07:53,640 --> 00:07:57,240 Speaker 1: Or the car. South Street is one of the busiest 121 00:07:57,280 --> 00:08:01,040 Speaker 1: and most popular places for nightlife in Philadelphia, at least 122 00:08:01,040 --> 00:08:03,960 Speaker 1: it was in two thousand and five. Think Bourbon Street, 123 00:08:04,120 --> 00:08:08,080 Speaker 1: but without the balconies and beats. It's not exactly the same, 124 00:08:08,120 --> 00:08:11,000 Speaker 1: but you get the idea. No shortage of places to 125 00:08:11,040 --> 00:08:13,840 Speaker 1: grab a drink and have a good time. It's not 126 00:08:14,000 --> 00:08:16,880 Speaker 1: a place where two people just vanish, and it's certainly 127 00:08:16,880 --> 00:08:20,040 Speaker 1: a spot where you'd have plenty of eyewitnesses. They had 128 00:08:20,120 --> 00:08:22,320 Speaker 1: left a bar at Fourth and South, headed to his 129 00:08:22,400 --> 00:08:27,760 Speaker 1: pickup truck and simply vanished, not a trace. Two adults 130 00:08:27,800 --> 00:08:30,240 Speaker 1: in their mid thirties walk out of a bar and 131 00:08:30,320 --> 00:08:39,560 Speaker 1: into oblivion, how is that even possible. I live within 132 00:08:39,640 --> 00:08:42,840 Speaker 1: walking distance to South Street. I've been to those bars, 133 00:08:42,920 --> 00:08:46,240 Speaker 1: and I've walked those same streets. I know how busy 134 00:08:46,240 --> 00:08:50,080 Speaker 1: they are, so this has often haunted me. The story 135 00:08:50,120 --> 00:08:53,640 Speaker 1: of Richard Patrone and daniel Embou became an anecdote, a 136 00:08:53,679 --> 00:08:57,320 Speaker 1: Philadelphia urban legend. If my team was ever going to 137 00:08:57,320 --> 00:09:01,240 Speaker 1: produce a missing persons podcast, this was the one. And 138 00:09:01,280 --> 00:09:04,040 Speaker 1: as I'll explained in a bit, it turns out we're 139 00:09:04,080 --> 00:09:06,800 Speaker 1: way more connected to the story than I originally thought. 140 00:09:07,760 --> 00:09:10,120 Speaker 1: When I begin working on a story, I usually reach 141 00:09:10,160 --> 00:09:13,680 Speaker 1: out to law enforcement. From the initial research, it was 142 00:09:13,760 --> 00:09:17,480 Speaker 1: clear the FBI was involved, so I decided to start there. 143 00:09:18,760 --> 00:09:23,960 Speaker 7: This case was different because it was two people. They 144 00:09:23,960 --> 00:09:28,360 Speaker 7: were adults that were just out having fun and now 145 00:09:28,400 --> 00:09:31,880 Speaker 7: they disappear with you know, no information about where they 146 00:09:31,880 --> 00:09:32,200 Speaker 7: could be. 147 00:09:32,960 --> 00:09:36,200 Speaker 1: That's Jerry Williams. She was an FBI agent and the 148 00:09:36,200 --> 00:09:39,960 Speaker 1: spokesperson for the Philadelphia Bureau when Danielle and Richard went missing. 149 00:09:42,840 --> 00:09:46,080 Speaker 7: I don't think anybody had heard of a case like 150 00:09:46,200 --> 00:09:50,760 Speaker 7: this ever before. Vita would come into my office and 151 00:09:51,240 --> 00:09:52,319 Speaker 7: keep me updated. 152 00:09:53,120 --> 00:09:57,240 Speaker 1: Veto Special Agent Vito Rosselli. He has been working on 153 00:09:57,280 --> 00:09:59,280 Speaker 1: this case since the very beginning. 154 00:10:00,000 --> 00:10:02,920 Speaker 7: I could tell that it was more than just another 155 00:10:02,960 --> 00:10:04,320 Speaker 7: investigation for him. 156 00:10:05,120 --> 00:10:08,920 Speaker 1: Agent Rosselli had spent almost two decades tracking down every 157 00:10:09,000 --> 00:10:12,000 Speaker 1: lead in this case but came up short. 158 00:10:12,320 --> 00:10:15,240 Speaker 7: There are so many times over the past few years 159 00:10:15,280 --> 00:10:19,760 Speaker 7: that I thought Veto was close in solving this and 160 00:10:19,800 --> 00:10:21,160 Speaker 7: then nothing. 161 00:10:21,880 --> 00:10:23,360 Speaker 1: I needed to talk to Vito. 162 00:10:25,600 --> 00:10:29,440 Speaker 5: Hey, Andrea, I really appreciate your effort on this huge helme. 163 00:10:29,720 --> 00:10:32,800 Speaker 1: Special Agent Vito Rosselli looks and sounds like someone in 164 00:10:32,840 --> 00:10:36,440 Speaker 1: a TV show who's playing an FBI agent. He's a 165 00:10:36,480 --> 00:10:40,320 Speaker 1: stocky guy, muscular with dark skin, and seems like someone 166 00:10:40,800 --> 00:10:42,280 Speaker 1: you'd want to grab a beer with. 167 00:10:42,880 --> 00:10:44,640 Speaker 5: My dad was an old Hoover guy. He was an 168 00:10:44,679 --> 00:10:47,800 Speaker 5: old FBI agent, So I grew up around that. I 169 00:10:47,880 --> 00:10:50,560 Speaker 5: got in Philly in February of ninety seven, and I've 170 00:10:50,600 --> 00:10:52,240 Speaker 5: been in Philly pretty much my whole career. 171 00:10:53,160 --> 00:10:56,439 Speaker 1: Vito is a warm and welcoming guy, but I could 172 00:10:56,480 --> 00:11:00,080 Speaker 1: tell that he carries pieces of this investigation around with him, 173 00:11:00,600 --> 00:11:04,960 Speaker 1: and that clearly rests heavily on his heart. I don't 174 00:11:05,000 --> 00:11:07,760 Speaker 1: know how else to explain it, but there's a heaviness 175 00:11:07,760 --> 00:11:08,000 Speaker 1: to that. 176 00:11:09,200 --> 00:11:13,040 Speaker 5: It wasn't just an accident driving off a bridge, a 177 00:11:13,080 --> 00:11:17,720 Speaker 5: truck and two people just don't disappear. What I do 178 00:11:17,840 --> 00:11:20,880 Speaker 5: know is that the people who are involved had to 179 00:11:20,920 --> 00:11:24,080 Speaker 5: have the means to get rid of two bodies and 180 00:11:24,160 --> 00:11:25,800 Speaker 5: the truck in a very quick. 181 00:11:25,679 --> 00:11:26,400 Speaker 8: Amount of time. 182 00:11:26,800 --> 00:11:30,040 Speaker 5: That means that they did it before or they had 183 00:11:30,240 --> 00:11:32,640 Speaker 5: access to those circles. 184 00:11:33,120 --> 00:11:35,679 Speaker 8: So I don't have the truck and I don't have 185 00:11:35,920 --> 00:11:36,560 Speaker 8: the bodies. 186 00:11:37,720 --> 00:11:41,880 Speaker 1: Just think about that. Not only are Danielle and Richard missing, 187 00:11:42,320 --> 00:11:45,079 Speaker 1: but so is the Dodge Dakota pickup truck they were driving. 188 00:11:45,720 --> 00:11:49,120 Speaker 1: And after nineteen years of surging, Fido still has no 189 00:11:49,200 --> 00:11:53,040 Speaker 1: physical evidence to work with. He's been trying to figure 190 00:11:53,080 --> 00:11:56,079 Speaker 1: out who wanted to kill either Danielle and Richard without 191 00:11:56,080 --> 00:11:59,640 Speaker 1: a fingerprint, a tire mark, or a single drop of blood. 192 00:12:00,559 --> 00:12:03,640 Speaker 1: But maybe what's stranger than any of that is the why. 193 00:12:04,240 --> 00:12:07,240 Speaker 1: Because on paper, neither of these two seem to have 194 00:12:07,280 --> 00:12:08,439 Speaker 1: a target on their back. 195 00:12:09,679 --> 00:12:11,960 Speaker 8: What I did on covers that both were good people. 196 00:12:12,000 --> 00:12:13,600 Speaker 8: A lot of people cared for him. 197 00:12:14,040 --> 00:12:16,600 Speaker 5: Danielle was very close to him her mom and her brother, 198 00:12:16,640 --> 00:12:19,200 Speaker 5: and rich was very close to both his parents and 199 00:12:19,240 --> 00:12:23,040 Speaker 5: all his siblings and had a child that he was raising. 200 00:12:24,160 --> 00:12:29,080 Speaker 8: Both families are still extremely destrought. It's very emotional for him. 201 00:12:29,960 --> 00:12:34,839 Speaker 5: As emotional today as it was when I first met them. 202 00:12:34,920 --> 00:12:38,640 Speaker 1: Vito has a lot writing on this investigation. Obviously, he 203 00:12:38,679 --> 00:12:41,280 Speaker 1: felt for Danielle and Richard's families. It's been on his 204 00:12:41,320 --> 00:12:44,720 Speaker 1: plate since two thousand and five. And all investigators will 205 00:12:44,720 --> 00:12:47,720 Speaker 1: tell you they always feel like they're racing against time, 206 00:12:48,280 --> 00:12:52,920 Speaker 1: but Vito had a different clock. You see in the 207 00:12:53,040 --> 00:12:56,640 Speaker 1: FBI there's a mandatory retirement age of fifty seven, and 208 00:12:56,720 --> 00:12:59,680 Speaker 1: Vido's fifty seventh birthday was fast. 209 00:13:00,960 --> 00:13:05,760 Speaker 5: Every investigator, every detective, has that white whale that hangs 210 00:13:05,800 --> 00:13:07,920 Speaker 5: over the head, and in this particular case, where you 211 00:13:07,920 --> 00:13:09,280 Speaker 5: don't get an answer. 212 00:13:09,080 --> 00:13:12,480 Speaker 8: That just crushes people's souls and it's tough. So the 213 00:13:12,520 --> 00:13:15,320 Speaker 8: case is very much open and hopefully we make it arrested. 214 00:13:15,960 --> 00:13:19,679 Speaker 1: I've met with Vito a few times now. After those conversations, 215 00:13:19,720 --> 00:13:25,080 Speaker 1: it's become clear what Veto is missing testimony, someone who 216 00:13:25,280 --> 00:13:30,439 Speaker 1: heard something or saw something, or remembers anything, anything about 217 00:13:30,440 --> 00:13:33,600 Speaker 1: what happened on the night of February nineteenth, two thousand 218 00:13:33,600 --> 00:13:36,559 Speaker 1: and five. He just needs someone to come forward. 219 00:13:37,440 --> 00:13:39,760 Speaker 5: Everybody that's working on this case and everybody that has 220 00:13:39,840 --> 00:13:42,640 Speaker 5: worked on this case wants this to get out in 221 00:13:42,720 --> 00:13:46,000 Speaker 5: the public and wants people to call in. 222 00:13:46,800 --> 00:13:49,480 Speaker 8: And that's why I'm very thankful for you guys. 223 00:13:50,160 --> 00:13:53,120 Speaker 1: This case was a big deal in Philadelphia, and to 224 00:13:53,160 --> 00:13:56,560 Speaker 1: be fair, it did get national attention, but that interest 225 00:13:56,679 --> 00:13:59,400 Speaker 1: lasted for like two months because in May of two 226 00:13:59,400 --> 00:14:02,440 Speaker 1: thousand and five, I'm an American teenager went missing in Aruba, 227 00:14:03,160 --> 00:14:09,000 Speaker 1: Natalie Holloway, and the nation turned their attention to her. Slowly, 228 00:14:09,080 --> 00:14:14,680 Speaker 1: Danielle and Richard faded from public consciousness, but Philadelphia hasn't forgotten. 229 00:14:15,720 --> 00:14:18,600 Speaker 1: For a big metropolitan city, there is a small town 230 00:14:18,679 --> 00:14:21,920 Speaker 1: feel here and it's that close knit community that keeps 231 00:14:21,960 --> 00:14:27,280 Speaker 1: their memory alive. See, everybody knows everybody here, or at 232 00:14:27,360 --> 00:14:29,840 Speaker 1: least knows someone who knows your sister or your cousin, 233 00:14:30,000 --> 00:14:32,000 Speaker 1: or used to work with that guy that you used 234 00:14:32,040 --> 00:14:35,880 Speaker 1: to work with. All of that is relevant here. The city. 235 00:14:36,280 --> 00:14:41,560 Speaker 1: It's people, It's all important to this story. Philadelphia is 236 00:14:41,560 --> 00:14:45,400 Speaker 1: the city of brotherly love, and often love extends to 237 00:14:45,440 --> 00:14:50,400 Speaker 1: loyalty vows of silence when it comes to nefarious behavior. 238 00:14:51,560 --> 00:14:55,440 Speaker 1: The FBI undoubtedly believes that there are people who know 239 00:14:55,520 --> 00:14:58,840 Speaker 1: what happened to Richard and Danielle, but have remained silent. 240 00:15:00,440 --> 00:15:03,600 Speaker 1: So why now? I once heard this theory from law 241 00:15:03,680 --> 00:15:06,720 Speaker 1: enforcement that when it comes to these types of cases, 242 00:15:07,040 --> 00:15:09,840 Speaker 1: there are usually three windows of time to solve them, 243 00:15:10,360 --> 00:15:13,800 Speaker 1: the first few weeks, the first year, and then the 244 00:15:13,800 --> 00:15:18,920 Speaker 1: next best is the twentieth anniversary. 245 00:15:19,720 --> 00:15:24,000 Speaker 5: I've gotten confessions from folks because it was chewing them 246 00:15:24,040 --> 00:15:26,480 Speaker 5: up on the inside. Not all folks that do illegal 247 00:15:26,560 --> 00:15:30,800 Speaker 5: activity are evil folks. A lot of them have consciences 248 00:15:30,800 --> 00:15:34,520 Speaker 5: and kids and families of their own, and eventually it 249 00:15:34,600 --> 00:15:35,400 Speaker 5: wears on them. 250 00:15:36,240 --> 00:15:40,080 Speaker 1: By the time this podcast launches, we'll approach the opening 251 00:15:40,160 --> 00:15:45,000 Speaker 1: of that final window. Maybe after two decades, perhaps someone's 252 00:15:45,040 --> 00:15:49,479 Speaker 1: own mortality will change their view and come forward with information. 253 00:15:54,640 --> 00:15:57,320 Speaker 1: I approached my team about taking this on and knew 254 00:15:57,360 --> 00:16:00,840 Speaker 1: my producing partner Ben would be interested because, like me, 255 00:16:01,360 --> 00:16:04,440 Speaker 1: he grew up in Philadelphia too. He knew this story 256 00:16:04,520 --> 00:16:07,040 Speaker 1: as well as I did. But there was something I 257 00:16:07,080 --> 00:16:10,560 Speaker 1: didn't expect. When discussing it with my colleague Carrie, she 258 00:16:10,600 --> 00:16:13,080 Speaker 1: went white. She looked at me and said, you know, 259 00:16:13,160 --> 00:16:15,520 Speaker 1: my brother grew up with Richard Patron and was good 260 00:16:15,560 --> 00:16:16,120 Speaker 1: friends with him. 261 00:16:16,160 --> 00:16:16,320 Speaker 4: Right. 262 00:16:17,160 --> 00:16:19,840 Speaker 1: I had no idea, So she put me in touch 263 00:16:19,840 --> 00:16:22,400 Speaker 1: with her brother, Jimmy he was so likable. 264 00:16:22,440 --> 00:16:23,960 Speaker 9: He just had such a huge heart. 265 00:16:25,160 --> 00:16:27,720 Speaker 1: Jimmy Hartman grew up across the street from Richard, and 266 00:16:27,760 --> 00:16:30,240 Speaker 1: the two immediately became fast friends. 267 00:16:30,640 --> 00:16:33,240 Speaker 9: We'd like to play hockey. We would get the guys together, 268 00:16:33,360 --> 00:16:37,120 Speaker 9: and we became friends from there. And I knew Danielle 269 00:16:37,160 --> 00:16:39,240 Speaker 9: also because I graduated high school with her. 270 00:16:39,800 --> 00:16:42,359 Speaker 1: Like I said, everybody knows everybody. 271 00:16:42,800 --> 00:16:44,720 Speaker 9: She was always nice. I just never got to know 272 00:16:44,800 --> 00:16:47,200 Speaker 9: her that well, but I knew her and she knew me. 273 00:16:48,080 --> 00:16:51,480 Speaker 1: So Jimmy not only knew Danielle and Richard, but was 274 00:16:51,560 --> 00:16:55,640 Speaker 1: even close with Richard's parents, Richard Senior and Marge Patron. 275 00:16:56,360 --> 00:16:59,920 Speaker 9: You couldn't go to the house without eating, just to 276 00:17:00,000 --> 00:17:03,120 Speaker 9: popole Italian family, and there's just pasta and food and 277 00:17:03,200 --> 00:17:06,240 Speaker 9: bread and wine and everything everywhere. 278 00:17:08,280 --> 00:17:11,160 Speaker 1: Jimmy said, It's been tough to watch the Patron suffer 279 00:17:11,240 --> 00:17:12,440 Speaker 1: all these years. 280 00:17:13,080 --> 00:17:15,919 Speaker 9: You could see the pain, especially in Marge's eyes. You 281 00:17:15,960 --> 00:17:20,520 Speaker 9: could just see how much it hurts her, you know, 282 00:17:20,720 --> 00:17:23,879 Speaker 9: And when you have somebody taken from me like this, 283 00:17:24,760 --> 00:17:27,959 Speaker 9: it's just really hard to say goodbye. 284 00:17:28,240 --> 00:17:31,200 Speaker 1: At first, he said that patrons were dreading that phone 285 00:17:31,240 --> 00:17:34,440 Speaker 1: call from police, the call that would confirm that Richard 286 00:17:34,520 --> 00:17:38,720 Speaker 1: was dead, but now any information would be welcomed information. 287 00:17:39,800 --> 00:17:41,920 Speaker 9: I would hate for either one of them to leave 288 00:17:41,960 --> 00:17:45,760 Speaker 9: the earth without having closure. I mean, they have not 289 00:17:46,119 --> 00:17:49,600 Speaker 9: let up on trying to get this mystery solved. 290 00:17:51,320 --> 00:17:54,280 Speaker 1: We had the FBI on our side, but we understood 291 00:17:54,359 --> 00:17:57,960 Speaker 1: that to move forward we would need both families to participate. 292 00:17:58,600 --> 00:18:02,400 Speaker 1: It's a painful process, but also an opportunity. The more 293 00:18:02,440 --> 00:18:04,679 Speaker 1: you talk about a missing person, the more likely it 294 00:18:04,760 --> 00:18:07,879 Speaker 1: is that someone who knows something will say something. But 295 00:18:07,960 --> 00:18:10,600 Speaker 1: approaching these families, I knew I would be asking them 296 00:18:10,640 --> 00:18:15,399 Speaker 1: to relive so much. It's tough. Since Jimmy knew the 297 00:18:15,400 --> 00:18:20,160 Speaker 1: Patrons from childhood, he made an introduction, so we started. 298 00:18:20,160 --> 00:18:40,560 Speaker 10: There we go. 299 00:18:41,200 --> 00:18:43,959 Speaker 1: Marge Patrone greeted me and my colleague Ben at her 300 00:18:44,000 --> 00:18:48,200 Speaker 1: front door. It was a bright Sunday afternoon, nearly nineteen 301 00:18:48,320 --> 00:18:51,920 Speaker 1: years after her son, Richard and his friend Danielle Imbo vanished. 302 00:18:52,840 --> 00:18:55,199 Speaker 1: We needed to learn who Richard and Danielle were and 303 00:18:55,320 --> 00:18:59,359 Speaker 1: understand everything they left behind. On February nineteenth, two thousand 304 00:18:59,400 --> 00:19:02,640 Speaker 1: and five, we had been told that both families were 305 00:19:02,680 --> 00:19:06,919 Speaker 1: done speaking to the press. Think about it. The closest 306 00:19:06,920 --> 00:19:09,720 Speaker 1: people to Richard and Danielle had to answer the same 307 00:19:09,880 --> 00:19:15,400 Speaker 1: questions about their disappearance for over nineteen years now, Yet 308 00:19:15,440 --> 00:19:18,240 Speaker 1: here I was, with my partner Ben, standing at the 309 00:19:18,280 --> 00:19:21,600 Speaker 1: threshold of the patron's family home to again pick at 310 00:19:21,600 --> 00:19:25,639 Speaker 1: that scap. It took an introduction from Richard's childhood friend, 311 00:19:26,240 --> 00:19:32,280 Speaker 1: many conversations and veto expressing the importance of participating. Ultimately, 312 00:19:32,880 --> 00:19:37,239 Speaker 1: the patrons agreed, you want to sit like somewhere comfortable. 313 00:19:36,840 --> 00:19:37,520 Speaker 11: Or what do you want to do? 314 00:19:37,920 --> 00:19:42,160 Speaker 1: And much to my surprise and relief, Marge welcomed us 315 00:19:42,200 --> 00:19:45,760 Speaker 1: with a warm, friendly smile and just like I was told, 316 00:19:46,359 --> 00:19:52,359 Speaker 1: she immediately wanted to feed us something. Marge is a 317 00:19:52,400 --> 00:19:55,880 Speaker 1: grandmother as well as a mother of three, so hosting 318 00:19:55,960 --> 00:19:58,720 Speaker 1: us seemed like old hat for March, like we'd been 319 00:19:58,760 --> 00:20:01,960 Speaker 1: over for dinner many times before, even though this was 320 00:20:01,960 --> 00:20:05,040 Speaker 1: a first for all of us. And that day Marge 321 00:20:05,080 --> 00:20:08,080 Speaker 1: invited us for Sunday dinner. I know this isn't just 322 00:20:08,119 --> 00:20:11,560 Speaker 1: a meal that happens to fall on Sunday. It's actually 323 00:20:11,640 --> 00:20:14,680 Speaker 1: a long running tradition for the Patrons. That's when their 324 00:20:14,680 --> 00:20:18,600 Speaker 1: family comes together for a big Italian meal. So we 325 00:20:18,720 --> 00:20:22,840 Speaker 1: felt honored to be invited. It was just before Christmas, 326 00:20:22,840 --> 00:20:26,240 Speaker 1: and every inch of our house was decorated, including the kitchen. 327 00:20:26,880 --> 00:20:29,880 Speaker 1: That's where we all gathered around a charcuterie board filled 328 00:20:29,880 --> 00:20:32,520 Speaker 1: with slice delling meats and cheeses, while a huge pot 329 00:20:32,560 --> 00:20:36,640 Speaker 1: of red gravy bubbled on the stove behind us. Marge's 330 00:20:36,640 --> 00:20:39,320 Speaker 1: freezer door was lined with several baby pictures and a 331 00:20:39,359 --> 00:20:42,879 Speaker 1: ton of magnets. She pointed to the Chicago Bears magnet 332 00:20:42,920 --> 00:20:46,160 Speaker 1: and said it was Richard's favorite football team. And then 333 00:20:46,200 --> 00:20:50,159 Speaker 1: there was this, I have a Susan Lucci doll. You 334 00:20:50,240 --> 00:20:53,639 Speaker 1: might remember Susan Lucci from the long running daytime TV 335 00:20:53,720 --> 00:20:55,080 Speaker 1: show All My Children. 336 00:20:55,520 --> 00:20:57,480 Speaker 11: You know it's funny because I love soap, Aukwards and 337 00:20:57,560 --> 00:20:57,800 Speaker 11: all that. 338 00:21:00,440 --> 00:21:03,520 Speaker 1: Marge explained that she always watched All My Children and 339 00:21:03,560 --> 00:21:07,280 Speaker 1: how one year for Christmas, Richard surprised her with this 340 00:21:07,400 --> 00:21:08,520 Speaker 1: Susan Lucci doll. 341 00:21:09,280 --> 00:21:12,800 Speaker 11: For a guy, he was the best gift giver and 342 00:21:13,040 --> 00:21:17,320 Speaker 11: just very thoughtful and did it all himself, Like he 343 00:21:17,359 --> 00:21:19,199 Speaker 11: didn't just go to the mall and buy anything. He 344 00:21:19,280 --> 00:21:20,240 Speaker 11: knew what you were into. 345 00:21:21,760 --> 00:21:25,199 Speaker 1: I could tell Richard is Marge's firstborn. She lights up 346 00:21:25,200 --> 00:21:28,639 Speaker 1: at every mention of his name, like how he played 347 00:21:28,680 --> 00:21:30,920 Speaker 1: hockey from the time he was seven until the day 348 00:21:30,960 --> 00:21:34,200 Speaker 1: he went missing, and how she still holds onto Richard's 349 00:21:34,200 --> 00:21:38,879 Speaker 1: Bobby Clark jersey. That's when her voice trailed off. And 350 00:21:38,920 --> 00:21:43,200 Speaker 1: as the firstborn, you could say Richard got special treatment. 351 00:21:44,040 --> 00:21:46,600 Speaker 1: When Richard had a sore throat, I would run him 352 00:21:46,600 --> 00:21:47,159 Speaker 1: to the doctors. 353 00:21:47,160 --> 00:21:49,720 Speaker 11: And Christine always would say, if I said I had 354 00:21:49,760 --> 00:21:51,960 Speaker 11: a store throat, you'd say, spray your throat. You're right. 355 00:21:52,320 --> 00:21:58,119 Speaker 1: So Christine and Elisa are MARTA's daughters. Christine was also 356 00:21:58,240 --> 00:22:01,160 Speaker 1: best friends with Daniel Imbo. She was supposed to join 357 00:22:01,240 --> 00:22:04,200 Speaker 1: us for dinner, but Christine backed out at the last minute. 358 00:22:04,600 --> 00:22:07,560 Speaker 1: Her sister Elisa gave us a clue as to why. 359 00:22:08,840 --> 00:22:12,159 Speaker 12: I think this whole thing was really hard for Christine 360 00:22:12,160 --> 00:22:17,720 Speaker 12: because it's her best friend and her brother Richard and Christine, 361 00:22:17,720 --> 00:22:21,159 Speaker 12: we rolling your different and she doesn't really say anything 362 00:22:21,160 --> 00:22:22,160 Speaker 12: too much about that night. 363 00:22:22,720 --> 00:22:25,760 Speaker 1: Alisa is well into her thirties now, but was just 364 00:22:25,800 --> 00:22:28,200 Speaker 1: a teenager when her brother Richard disappeared. 365 00:22:29,400 --> 00:22:32,280 Speaker 12: We have no idea what happened to them or how 366 00:22:32,359 --> 00:22:35,920 Speaker 12: this happened, and we just lived with that and it's 367 00:22:36,240 --> 00:22:37,159 Speaker 12: an awful feeling. 368 00:22:37,880 --> 00:22:40,080 Speaker 1: There was a row of stockings in the living room 369 00:22:40,119 --> 00:22:44,359 Speaker 1: that hung across their mantle, just above the fireplace. I 370 00:22:44,400 --> 00:22:49,879 Speaker 1: couldn't help but wonder if Richard's stocking was one of them. Okay, 371 00:22:49,920 --> 00:22:52,720 Speaker 1: we all moved to the kitchen table as Marge arrived 372 00:22:52,720 --> 00:22:56,119 Speaker 1: with a giant bowl of stuff, mannicotti and homemade meatballs. 373 00:22:56,640 --> 00:22:58,359 Speaker 1: It was enough to feed a small army. 374 00:22:58,520 --> 00:23:01,040 Speaker 10: Everything's to be is happy and sad. 375 00:23:02,320 --> 00:23:05,240 Speaker 1: Marge pointed to where Richard sat for thirty five years, 376 00:23:05,600 --> 00:23:08,120 Speaker 1: and then to the empty chair where her husband used 377 00:23:08,119 --> 00:23:11,760 Speaker 1: to sit for forty years. Marge and her husband, Richard, 378 00:23:12,440 --> 00:23:16,879 Speaker 1: owned and operated a Swedish bakery called Viking Pastries in 379 00:23:16,920 --> 00:23:20,320 Speaker 1: the suburbs of Philly. That's where Richard and his father 380 00:23:20,400 --> 00:23:24,280 Speaker 1: worked side by side. The two were very close. Richard 381 00:23:24,359 --> 00:23:27,159 Speaker 1: Senior suffered multiple strokes and hasn't been home for a 382 00:23:27,160 --> 00:23:27,800 Speaker 1: while now. 383 00:23:28,240 --> 00:23:31,159 Speaker 11: He's just never been here since Richard disappeared, left face it. 384 00:23:31,240 --> 00:23:34,120 Speaker 7: He's never been the same, No, no, never. 385 00:23:34,320 --> 00:23:36,560 Speaker 10: He's the shell of the person he used to but 386 00:23:36,640 --> 00:23:39,040 Speaker 10: he's not at all who he was with them. 387 00:23:39,840 --> 00:23:40,040 Speaker 13: You know. 388 00:23:40,240 --> 00:23:42,399 Speaker 1: I don't want to say that life hasn't gone on 389 00:23:42,520 --> 00:23:46,439 Speaker 1: for the patron since Richard disappeared, because it has. But 390 00:23:46,480 --> 00:23:49,280 Speaker 1: I got the feeling that Marge in particular has been 391 00:23:49,320 --> 00:23:52,720 Speaker 1: sort of treading water ever since that day. The void 392 00:23:52,840 --> 00:23:55,200 Speaker 1: Richard left was on full display that Sunday. 393 00:23:55,720 --> 00:23:58,800 Speaker 11: I had to keep going, which I still am doing, 394 00:23:58,880 --> 00:24:01,680 Speaker 11: even though it's like yesterday from me. 395 00:24:04,080 --> 00:24:07,440 Speaker 1: Back on February twentieth, two thousand and five, Richard didn't 396 00:24:07,440 --> 00:24:08,879 Speaker 1: make it home for Sunday dinner. 397 00:24:09,800 --> 00:24:13,199 Speaker 11: I remember Christine calling me and she said, Mom, Richard's missing. 398 00:24:13,840 --> 00:24:14,960 Speaker 11: I said missing, What do you mean. 399 00:24:14,960 --> 00:24:15,400 Speaker 12: He's home. 400 00:24:15,480 --> 00:24:16,520 Speaker 11: There's a nice car today. 401 00:24:16,560 --> 00:24:17,640 Speaker 6: You would never leave the house. 402 00:24:17,680 --> 00:24:18,160 Speaker 11: He's home. 403 00:24:18,640 --> 00:24:21,040 Speaker 1: Marge said she was out running errands with her husband 404 00:24:21,040 --> 00:24:24,560 Speaker 1: that afternoon, and she was certain Richard was home. It 405 00:24:24,640 --> 00:24:27,080 Speaker 1: was the day of the Daytona five hundred, and Richard 406 00:24:27,119 --> 00:24:28,840 Speaker 1: had been looking forward to it all week. 407 00:24:29,359 --> 00:24:30,400 Speaker 11: She's not home, mom. 408 00:24:31,560 --> 00:24:35,399 Speaker 1: Christine called Marge from the salon where she worked. She 409 00:24:35,560 --> 00:24:39,520 Speaker 1: was concerned about Danielle. Yeah, the same Danielle who was 410 00:24:39,560 --> 00:24:41,840 Speaker 1: with Richard the night before, and she. 411 00:24:41,880 --> 00:24:44,320 Speaker 11: Said, Danielle didn't show up for an appointment today and she 412 00:24:44,400 --> 00:24:46,000 Speaker 11: never does that, and he's not home. 413 00:24:46,720 --> 00:24:50,600 Speaker 1: He's missing. Marge and her son Richard were close. They 414 00:24:50,720 --> 00:24:55,320 Speaker 1: usually talked multiple times a day, but that Sunday, she 415 00:24:55,480 --> 00:24:56,399 Speaker 1: hadn't heard from. 416 00:24:56,320 --> 00:25:00,480 Speaker 11: Him, and so my coldest phone a million time, I'm 417 00:25:00,880 --> 00:25:04,040 Speaker 11: and I just want right to voicemail. He would never 418 00:25:04,119 --> 00:25:05,159 Speaker 11: not answer his phone to me. 419 00:25:05,359 --> 00:25:05,560 Speaker 3: Never. 420 00:25:06,119 --> 00:25:09,040 Speaker 1: One thing to keep in mind. Back in early two 421 00:25:09,080 --> 00:25:11,639 Speaker 1: thousand and five, most of us had flip phones and 422 00:25:11,720 --> 00:25:15,919 Speaker 1: texting wasn't common yet, so when our phones rang, we'd 423 00:25:16,000 --> 00:25:20,000 Speaker 1: actually answer them. The fact that Richard wasn't answering his 424 00:25:20,080 --> 00:25:22,920 Speaker 1: phone immediately concerned March that. 425 00:25:23,000 --> 00:25:25,080 Speaker 11: Christine said the same thing with Danielle. It's just going 426 00:25:25,040 --> 00:25:25,920 Speaker 11: to right to voicemail. 427 00:25:27,040 --> 00:25:27,200 Speaker 5: Now. 428 00:25:27,240 --> 00:25:30,120 Speaker 11: I call my sister and I said to her, you've got. 429 00:25:29,920 --> 00:25:32,840 Speaker 1: To go in his apartment. Marge's sister lived down the 430 00:25:32,880 --> 00:25:35,480 Speaker 1: street from Richard, so she had a spare key and 431 00:25:35,560 --> 00:25:38,920 Speaker 1: headed over to the apartment. She didn't see Richard's truck 432 00:25:39,000 --> 00:25:42,080 Speaker 1: parked out front, so she unlocked the door and went inside. 433 00:25:43,000 --> 00:25:46,320 Speaker 11: She said, no, nobody came back here, and the book's barking. 434 00:25:47,440 --> 00:25:50,880 Speaker 1: Richard's dog, Bismarck was in distress and needed to go out. 435 00:25:51,400 --> 00:25:54,400 Speaker 1: His food bowl was empty, and it was clear Richard 436 00:25:54,400 --> 00:25:59,040 Speaker 1: had not been home for hours. From everything I've learned today, 437 00:25:59,480 --> 00:26:02,600 Speaker 1: Richard was that's a reliable guy, not one to be 438 00:26:02,640 --> 00:26:06,000 Speaker 1: out of touch, leaving his family in the dark like this. 439 00:26:07,080 --> 00:26:08,159 Speaker 1: It was out of character. 440 00:26:09,520 --> 00:26:16,320 Speaker 11: He would never go anywhere without telling me. I know immediately, immediately, 441 00:26:16,960 --> 00:26:21,680 Speaker 11: I like, so, oh my god, this could not be happening. 442 00:26:21,720 --> 00:26:23,919 Speaker 11: But I lost my shot today. 443 00:26:24,080 --> 00:26:24,760 Speaker 3: Oh my god. 444 00:26:27,920 --> 00:26:30,000 Speaker 11: Christine said, we're never going to see them again, are we? 445 00:26:30,040 --> 00:26:30,240 Speaker 4: Mom? 446 00:26:30,280 --> 00:26:31,040 Speaker 11: I said no, we're not. 447 00:26:32,160 --> 00:26:32,639 Speaker 13: No, we're not. 448 00:26:34,640 --> 00:26:38,360 Speaker 1: Christine and Marge feared the worst, but Richard's father wasn't 449 00:26:38,400 --> 00:26:43,000 Speaker 1: about to jump to conclusions. Richard was a strong Italian father. 450 00:26:43,920 --> 00:26:47,240 Speaker 1: He's as much braun as he is brains, and what 451 00:26:47,359 --> 00:26:50,760 Speaker 1: his wife was telling him it wasn't registering. 452 00:26:51,160 --> 00:26:57,280 Speaker 11: He said, what are you saying. I'm saying that something 453 00:26:57,400 --> 00:26:58,920 Speaker 11: terrible happened to your son. 454 00:27:02,960 --> 00:27:06,400 Speaker 1: While the fear was hitting the Patron family, John and Tobray, 455 00:27:06,520 --> 00:27:10,840 Speaker 1: Danielle's brother, was also realizing Danielle didn't make it home 456 00:27:10,880 --> 00:27:13,000 Speaker 1: that night. 457 00:27:14,640 --> 00:27:17,199 Speaker 4: I woke up Sunday morning early, and I took a 458 00:27:17,280 --> 00:27:22,080 Speaker 4: ride to her house to fix the curtain. I sold 459 00:27:22,119 --> 00:27:24,600 Speaker 4: her car out front. I knock on the door. She's 460 00:27:24,640 --> 00:27:26,359 Speaker 4: not answering the cor her cell phone it goes right 461 00:27:26,359 --> 00:27:30,720 Speaker 4: to voicemail. So I called my mother and I said, Mom, 462 00:27:30,760 --> 00:27:32,720 Speaker 4: I'm outside of Danielle's I see her car here, but 463 00:27:32,760 --> 00:27:35,360 Speaker 4: she's not answering. I have her key. I don't want 464 00:27:35,359 --> 00:27:37,160 Speaker 4: to just walk in if she's in the shower or something. 465 00:27:37,200 --> 00:27:40,119 Speaker 4: I don't want her to get scared, and she said 466 00:27:40,280 --> 00:27:41,720 Speaker 4: maybe she slept in Richard's. 467 00:27:42,720 --> 00:27:45,440 Speaker 1: At the time, John had been trying to support Danielle 468 00:27:45,520 --> 00:27:49,080 Speaker 1: as much as possible. See in the last twelve months, 469 00:27:49,200 --> 00:27:54,080 Speaker 1: Danielle's life had gotten complicated. Danielle had recently separated from 470 00:27:54,080 --> 00:27:58,440 Speaker 1: her husband, Joe Imbo. To make matters more challenging, Danielle 471 00:27:58,480 --> 00:28:01,359 Speaker 1: and Joe welcomed their son together just two years prior. 472 00:28:02,280 --> 00:28:04,719 Speaker 1: In February of two thousand and five, Danielle was in 473 00:28:04,840 --> 00:28:09,040 Speaker 1: uncharted waters. She was a single parent, navigating custody of 474 00:28:09,080 --> 00:28:11,919 Speaker 1: their twenty month old child, and deep in the throes 475 00:28:11,960 --> 00:28:15,320 Speaker 1: of dissolving her marriage with Joe. Anything John could do 476 00:28:15,400 --> 00:28:18,040 Speaker 1: to help his sister, he would, whether it be helping 477 00:28:18,080 --> 00:28:20,879 Speaker 1: out around the condo or looking after the baby. 478 00:28:22,119 --> 00:28:25,760 Speaker 4: It was a typical ugly separation, you know, it was 479 00:28:26,480 --> 00:28:29,919 Speaker 4: headed towards divorce, so I didn't think anything of it. 480 00:28:30,320 --> 00:28:34,080 Speaker 4: Like hung the curtains up and I left Zobiously, no 481 00:28:34,160 --> 00:28:34,960 Speaker 4: one was home. 482 00:28:37,400 --> 00:28:39,560 Speaker 1: So John packed up his tools and went about his 483 00:28:39,640 --> 00:28:43,240 Speaker 1: day like he would any other. That was until I. 484 00:28:43,200 --> 00:28:45,040 Speaker 4: Got a phone call around three o'clock. It was my 485 00:28:45,080 --> 00:28:48,320 Speaker 4: mother and she said, Danielle never came home last night. 486 00:28:48,920 --> 00:28:51,960 Speaker 4: I'm at her condo now I need you to come here. 487 00:28:55,400 --> 00:28:58,480 Speaker 4: And my mother is in full blown panic. She said, 488 00:28:58,640 --> 00:29:00,400 Speaker 4: Joe's getting ready to drop the baby off in the 489 00:29:00,440 --> 00:29:02,920 Speaker 4: next hour and she's not here, and no one can 490 00:29:02,920 --> 00:29:06,760 Speaker 4: get in touch with either one of them. I knew 491 00:29:06,880 --> 00:29:09,800 Speaker 4: right there something was wrong. I just knew it. 492 00:29:12,560 --> 00:29:16,200 Speaker 1: The divorce was nasty. Danielle's mom knew how bad it 493 00:29:16,200 --> 00:29:18,680 Speaker 1: would look for her daughter if Joe dropped off her son, 494 00:29:18,880 --> 00:29:21,800 Speaker 1: only to find out Danielle never came home that night. 495 00:29:22,160 --> 00:29:26,840 Speaker 1: It was currently Mia. You see, over the past few months, 496 00:29:27,240 --> 00:29:30,320 Speaker 1: Danielle had been dating Richard Patron, and Joe knew that. 497 00:29:31,520 --> 00:29:33,200 Speaker 1: She didn't want to give her soon to be ex 498 00:29:33,280 --> 00:29:35,120 Speaker 1: son in law any ammunition. 499 00:29:39,760 --> 00:29:42,920 Speaker 4: My mother said, don't tell him what's going on. I 500 00:29:43,000 --> 00:29:45,080 Speaker 4: don't want him to know because I don't want him 501 00:29:45,120 --> 00:29:47,880 Speaker 4: to say, well, I'll keep the baby until she comes home. 502 00:29:48,200 --> 00:29:50,600 Speaker 4: I said, Mom, don't worry about it. 503 00:29:50,600 --> 00:29:53,120 Speaker 1: It was three o'clock that afternoon when Joe arrived to 504 00:29:53,160 --> 00:29:56,200 Speaker 1: drop off their son. That was the agreed upon time 505 00:29:56,280 --> 00:29:58,280 Speaker 1: for Joe to end his weekend with a baby. 506 00:29:58,880 --> 00:30:00,920 Speaker 4: And he kind of walked in and looked confused, and 507 00:30:01,000 --> 00:30:04,200 Speaker 4: he said, we're Danielle. And my mother said, oh, she 508 00:30:04,240 --> 00:30:07,440 Speaker 4: went to dinner with Christine. And then he said something 509 00:30:07,800 --> 00:30:10,400 Speaker 4: like he mumbled under his breath, I guess telling a 510 00:30:10,480 --> 00:30:12,920 Speaker 4: lie is better than telling the truth. Then he left, 511 00:30:14,880 --> 00:30:16,400 Speaker 4: like saying what we were saying was bullshit. 512 00:30:23,920 --> 00:30:27,000 Speaker 1: It was always our intention to start our own investigation, 513 00:30:27,600 --> 00:30:30,560 Speaker 1: but we had to ask ourselves, where do you start 514 00:30:30,640 --> 00:30:34,280 Speaker 1: on a case when two people go missing. We started 515 00:30:34,280 --> 00:30:38,440 Speaker 1: by retracing their last steps. We wanted to understand exactly 516 00:30:38,520 --> 00:30:41,760 Speaker 1: where Richard Petrone and Danielle Imbo were the night of 517 00:30:41,800 --> 00:30:47,560 Speaker 1: February nineteenth, two thousand and five. We're all altogether. 518 00:30:47,720 --> 00:30:50,400 Speaker 11: That right went to Chicky and Pete. 519 00:30:50,400 --> 00:30:53,280 Speaker 1: Marge and her two daughters, Christine and Alisa had dinner 520 00:30:53,320 --> 00:30:56,480 Speaker 1: with Danielle Imbo and Danielle's mother at Chickie and Pete's, 521 00:30:56,680 --> 00:31:00,720 Speaker 1: which is a popular Philadelphia restaurant. Think chicken sandwiches. She 522 00:31:00,840 --> 00:31:04,520 Speaker 1: seeks crabfries and beer. It's a sports bar with games 523 00:31:04,560 --> 00:31:07,800 Speaker 1: on TVs everywhere. A good place to blow off steam 524 00:31:07,880 --> 00:31:11,320 Speaker 1: after a long week. Here's Alisa, Richard's sister. 525 00:31:12,840 --> 00:31:15,360 Speaker 12: It was just a girl's night out. I wanted to 526 00:31:15,400 --> 00:31:17,760 Speaker 12: tag along anywhere my sister and my mom were going, 527 00:31:17,800 --> 00:31:18,520 Speaker 12: so I was there. 528 00:31:19,160 --> 00:31:21,640 Speaker 1: Toward the end of dinner, Richard called Danielle to see 529 00:31:21,680 --> 00:31:24,840 Speaker 1: if she wanted to join him for the evening. Initially 530 00:31:25,000 --> 00:31:28,600 Speaker 1: Danielle wasn't sure, but eventually agreed she was open to 531 00:31:28,640 --> 00:31:32,680 Speaker 1: making the most for child free Saturday night. 532 00:31:36,320 --> 00:31:40,280 Speaker 12: And then my sister drove Danielle to meet Richard. 533 00:31:40,760 --> 00:31:43,560 Speaker 1: Christine agreed to drop her off since Danielle's car was 534 00:31:43,600 --> 00:31:45,000 Speaker 1: back at her condo in Jersey. 535 00:31:45,880 --> 00:31:47,960 Speaker 11: That was really like a spar of the moment thing. 536 00:31:48,120 --> 00:31:50,520 Speaker 11: I don't think he even knew that she was going 537 00:31:50,600 --> 00:31:51,960 Speaker 11: to actually go with. 538 00:31:52,000 --> 00:31:56,080 Speaker 1: Him, And that's an important detail from Marge and something 539 00:31:56,120 --> 00:32:01,240 Speaker 1: to remember. This was a spontaneous meetup between Danielle and Richard. 540 00:32:01,880 --> 00:32:05,520 Speaker 11: Richard was at another tap room having dinner and told 541 00:32:05,560 --> 00:32:07,719 Speaker 11: Christine to drop her rolf she would go with Richard 542 00:32:08,360 --> 00:32:08,760 Speaker 11: that night. 543 00:32:09,560 --> 00:32:12,360 Speaker 1: As for Danielle, her brother John got the story of 544 00:32:12,360 --> 00:32:13,480 Speaker 1: what happened from his mother. 545 00:32:14,480 --> 00:32:17,800 Speaker 4: She said, well, last night, Danielle and I and Margie 546 00:32:17,800 --> 00:32:23,080 Speaker 4: and Christine went to Chicken and Pete's, and Richard called 547 00:32:23,520 --> 00:32:26,200 Speaker 4: and said, Hey, I'm at this bar, Abilene's on Seal Street. 548 00:32:27,120 --> 00:32:31,320 Speaker 4: Why don't you come. Danielle said, she'll meet you as 549 00:32:31,320 --> 00:32:33,760 Speaker 4: long as you can get her home at a reasonable time. 550 00:32:34,240 --> 00:32:36,960 Speaker 1: Danielle had an appointment at a salon the next morning. 551 00:32:37,680 --> 00:32:40,360 Speaker 1: It was the same salon that Christine Patron worked at. 552 00:32:41,320 --> 00:32:44,080 Speaker 1: So it's our understanding that from Chicken and Pete, Christine 553 00:32:44,120 --> 00:32:47,160 Speaker 1: drives Danielle to meet up with Richard, and Richard and 554 00:32:47,240 --> 00:32:49,800 Speaker 1: Danielle drive to Abilene's on South Street together. 555 00:32:50,560 --> 00:32:54,800 Speaker 6: South Street had this huge strip of bars, Abilene's. One 556 00:32:54,800 --> 00:32:55,200 Speaker 6: of them. 557 00:32:55,760 --> 00:32:59,360 Speaker 1: Journalists, Steve Vogue, covered the story for Philadelphia Magazine and 558 00:32:59,400 --> 00:33:01,320 Speaker 1: explains what happened next. 559 00:33:02,040 --> 00:33:04,560 Speaker 6: I remember that they were having a good time, that 560 00:33:04,560 --> 00:33:08,160 Speaker 6: they were enjoying themselves. They sat close together, they shared 561 00:33:08,160 --> 00:33:10,120 Speaker 6: a kiss at some point, they were laughing a lot. 562 00:33:10,920 --> 00:33:12,520 Speaker 6: You know, they had a nice evening together. 563 00:33:13,080 --> 00:33:15,680 Speaker 1: We heard Danielle and Richard spent a couple hours at 564 00:33:15,720 --> 00:33:18,280 Speaker 1: the bar that Saturday night, listening to a band. 565 00:33:19,160 --> 00:33:23,160 Speaker 6: They leave before midnight. He was going to drive her 566 00:33:23,640 --> 00:33:28,400 Speaker 6: back to her home in Mount Laurel, and that's where 567 00:33:28,440 --> 00:33:29,160 Speaker 6: the trail ends. 568 00:33:31,080 --> 00:33:34,040 Speaker 1: No one has seen Danielle or Richard. 569 00:33:33,760 --> 00:33:39,360 Speaker 14: Since, not just them, but a truck disappeared into the 570 00:33:39,400 --> 00:33:44,480 Speaker 14: ether from one of the most frequented spots in the 571 00:33:44,520 --> 00:33:47,000 Speaker 14: whole city. It was stunning. 572 00:33:48,280 --> 00:33:54,440 Speaker 6: I just wish that the families could have an answer, 573 00:33:55,800 --> 00:33:59,000 Speaker 6: and whatever the answer was, to sort through it and 574 00:33:59,040 --> 00:33:59,560 Speaker 6: deal with it. 575 00:34:01,760 --> 00:34:05,000 Speaker 5: I'm a father, I'm a brother, I'm a husband, I'm 576 00:34:05,160 --> 00:34:12,000 Speaker 5: a son. It's very hard not to see the human side, 577 00:34:12,120 --> 00:34:14,320 Speaker 5: the human impact on the two families. 578 00:34:16,080 --> 00:34:17,200 Speaker 8: It keeps me motivated. 579 00:34:18,040 --> 00:34:20,719 Speaker 1: For Vito Rosselli, he lives with the impact of that 580 00:34:20,800 --> 00:34:24,400 Speaker 1: reality every day and one of the major factors that 581 00:34:24,440 --> 00:34:27,320 Speaker 1: has stopped him from solving this case is the evidence, 582 00:34:27,520 --> 00:34:31,279 Speaker 1: or lack thereof. This happened in two thousand and five, 583 00:34:31,640 --> 00:34:36,080 Speaker 1: when even basic equipment like security cameras were using outdated technology. 584 00:34:37,040 --> 00:34:39,279 Speaker 5: Back then, everybody was still on VCRs that they were 585 00:34:39,360 --> 00:34:43,000 Speaker 5: taping over after two weeks of thirty days, street. 586 00:34:42,800 --> 00:34:44,400 Speaker 8: Light cameras, none of that existed. 587 00:34:44,440 --> 00:34:47,640 Speaker 5: Back then, you know, the iPhones weren't a thing, so 588 00:34:47,719 --> 00:34:49,040 Speaker 5: it was a little different animal. 589 00:34:50,120 --> 00:34:53,640 Speaker 1: Today, we can track our friends. Everyone essentially has a 590 00:34:53,640 --> 00:34:57,960 Speaker 1: GPS in their pocket. Plus there's no shortage of documenting 591 00:34:58,000 --> 00:35:01,040 Speaker 1: with people recording their life for the whole world to see. 592 00:35:01,600 --> 00:35:04,160 Speaker 1: But in two thousand and five, people had flip phones 593 00:35:04,200 --> 00:35:08,080 Speaker 1: in MySpace. Even YouTube didn't come out until February of 594 00:35:08,080 --> 00:35:08,959 Speaker 1: two thousand and five. 595 00:35:10,719 --> 00:35:13,200 Speaker 5: We have a lot more tools available to us now 596 00:35:13,760 --> 00:35:14,719 Speaker 5: than we did back then. 597 00:35:16,800 --> 00:35:21,280 Speaker 7: Today, when something happened, you know, there's cell phone video, 598 00:35:21,480 --> 00:35:24,920 Speaker 7: and there's video on buildings, and people are going on 599 00:35:24,960 --> 00:35:28,200 Speaker 7: social media and talking about it. Well, we didn't have 600 00:35:28,320 --> 00:35:29,480 Speaker 7: any of that back then. 601 00:35:30,960 --> 00:35:33,520 Speaker 1: That's former FBI agent Jerry Williams. 602 00:35:34,840 --> 00:35:38,520 Speaker 7: In my years of doing media relations for the FBI, 603 00:35:39,040 --> 00:35:42,400 Speaker 7: I've never heard of a case like this ever before. 604 00:35:43,120 --> 00:35:46,520 Speaker 7: I mean, people are concerned. If this happened to this couple, 605 00:35:47,200 --> 00:35:49,600 Speaker 7: what could happen to me and my kids if I 606 00:35:49,680 --> 00:35:50,960 Speaker 7: let them go on South Street. 607 00:35:53,719 --> 00:35:57,680 Speaker 1: The community was concerned, and law enforcement didn't have much 608 00:35:57,719 --> 00:36:02,719 Speaker 1: to work with. After those initial days of the investigation, 609 00:36:03,120 --> 00:36:06,480 Speaker 1: the FBI got tapped in and the lack of evidence 610 00:36:06,920 --> 00:36:08,960 Speaker 1: actually started to tell a story to Vito. 611 00:36:09,520 --> 00:36:13,520 Speaker 5: Nobody checks into a hospital. Neither one of them would 612 00:36:13,560 --> 00:36:17,160 Speaker 5: have left their children. They wouldn't just have run away. 613 00:36:17,760 --> 00:36:20,600 Speaker 1: The idea of Richard and Danielle getting hurt or skipping 614 00:36:20,640 --> 00:36:22,680 Speaker 1: town got ruled out pretty quickly. 615 00:36:23,080 --> 00:36:25,799 Speaker 5: There was no activity on their credit cards or on 616 00:36:25,840 --> 00:36:29,280 Speaker 5: their phones. The people who did it made two people 617 00:36:29,280 --> 00:36:33,960 Speaker 5: in a truck disappear. That's a clean cry, and it 618 00:36:34,000 --> 00:36:35,839 Speaker 5: could have been cleaned by accident, it could have been 619 00:36:35,880 --> 00:36:37,880 Speaker 5: cleaned by luck, or it could have been clean by design. 620 00:36:38,840 --> 00:36:42,680 Speaker 5: So it was clear that something bad happened pretty much 621 00:36:42,760 --> 00:36:43,360 Speaker 5: off the start. 622 00:36:44,480 --> 00:36:49,200 Speaker 1: Vido and Jerry were adamant about one thing. After nineteen 623 00:36:49,320 --> 00:36:52,680 Speaker 1: years of dead ends, they were out of options. 624 00:36:53,160 --> 00:36:57,120 Speaker 7: When you have a case like this, you have to 625 00:36:57,160 --> 00:37:00,000 Speaker 7: figure out how to keep it in the news. 626 00:37:01,000 --> 00:37:03,360 Speaker 5: Each year at the anniversary where you put something out 627 00:37:03,719 --> 00:37:09,080 Speaker 5: and without fail, we always get tips, callings, and more. 628 00:37:09,160 --> 00:37:11,800 Speaker 8: Over the past few years have been pretty consistent. 629 00:37:11,680 --> 00:37:15,400 Speaker 5: So it's good it keeps it out in the public's eye. 630 00:37:17,719 --> 00:37:17,879 Speaker 7: Well. 631 00:37:17,880 --> 00:37:21,160 Speaker 6: Today marks ten years since the local couple vanished without 632 00:37:21,160 --> 00:37:24,520 Speaker 6: a trace, and despite a decade since their disappearance, today 633 00:37:24,560 --> 00:37:27,120 Speaker 6: their relatives made an emotional plea for new information. 634 00:37:28,400 --> 00:37:32,840 Speaker 1: Every February twentieth, without fail, the city of Philadelphia is 635 00:37:32,920 --> 00:37:34,960 Speaker 1: reminded of Danielle and Richard. 636 00:37:35,280 --> 00:37:38,320 Speaker 6: It has been eleven years to the day since daniel Believe. 637 00:37:38,040 --> 00:37:40,800 Speaker 14: It or not, Today marks twelve years since Danielle Imbo 638 00:37:41,080 --> 00:37:43,879 Speaker 14: and Richard Patron Junior first one message they have not. 639 00:37:43,920 --> 00:37:46,360 Speaker 11: Been seen in thirteen years, desprit. 640 00:37:46,560 --> 00:37:49,759 Speaker 1: And from nineteen years now. These segments go out and 641 00:37:49,840 --> 00:37:53,400 Speaker 1: tips come in prints and repeat the family. 642 00:37:53,440 --> 00:37:56,200 Speaker 6: But the MBI says they have not given up on 643 00:37:56,239 --> 00:37:56,720 Speaker 6: this case. 644 00:37:58,360 --> 00:38:01,280 Speaker 1: Having lived here my whole life. I've watched the segment 645 00:38:01,400 --> 00:38:05,439 Speaker 1: each February with the rest of Philadelphia. Now I have 646 00:38:05,520 --> 00:38:08,799 Speaker 1: more of a context as to why. Just like that 647 00:38:08,880 --> 00:38:12,480 Speaker 1: billboard I mentioned in the beginning, it's a lifeline thrown 648 00:38:12,520 --> 00:38:17,400 Speaker 1: out for Richard and Danielle and their families, anything to 649 00:38:17,520 --> 00:38:19,800 Speaker 1: keep hope for justice alive. 650 00:38:21,719 --> 00:38:24,520 Speaker 7: I think putting it out there to the public on 651 00:38:24,760 --> 00:38:29,680 Speaker 7: a true crime podcast is a brilliant step to add 652 00:38:29,719 --> 00:38:31,279 Speaker 7: to what has been done so far. 653 00:38:33,719 --> 00:38:36,239 Speaker 1: It's crazy for me to say this, but I think 654 00:38:36,280 --> 00:38:40,600 Speaker 1: the FBI needs our help and your help. So do 655 00:38:40,719 --> 00:38:43,920 Speaker 1: Danielle and Richard. The two left a crowded bar in 656 00:38:43,960 --> 00:38:47,239 Speaker 1: a popular area of Philadelphia on a Saturday night two 657 00:38:47,320 --> 00:38:50,879 Speaker 1: decades ago, and in those twenty years, we still don't 658 00:38:50,960 --> 00:38:53,640 Speaker 1: know who wanted to harm them and why. 659 00:38:54,680 --> 00:38:58,799 Speaker 5: One of the important directions that law enforcement had to 660 00:38:58,880 --> 00:39:03,960 Speaker 5: take should determine the history between Danielle and Richard. When 661 00:39:03,960 --> 00:39:07,760 Speaker 5: you look deep into anybody's backgrounds, you gotta be digging 662 00:39:07,840 --> 00:39:13,120 Speaker 5: up stuff. And we found some angles that were of 663 00:39:13,200 --> 00:39:13,960 Speaker 5: interest to us. 664 00:39:16,280 --> 00:39:20,439 Speaker 7: That's when started to look like this may have been 665 00:39:20,960 --> 00:39:22,920 Speaker 7: a very personal crime. 666 00:39:26,320 --> 00:39:30,919 Speaker 1: That's next time I'm there and gone. 667 00:39:30,960 --> 00:39:38,840 Speaker 3: As I say you in that dream, reached out in 668 00:39:38,960 --> 00:39:44,720 Speaker 3: the dog for you, fellas toy. 669 00:39:45,440 --> 00:39:50,359 Speaker 13: I'll never give up, no matter how. 670 00:39:53,000 --> 00:39:54,080 Speaker 3: I open my. 671 00:39:57,560 --> 00:40:13,360 Speaker 13: Define hitch corner, listna the bus o peace, I follow. 672 00:40:13,040 --> 00:40:23,760 Speaker 3: The clue looking ca okay, oh level give up no 673 00:40:23,800 --> 00:40:24,880 Speaker 3: matter hang. 674 00:40:27,200 --> 00:40:28,279 Speaker 8: I open my. 675 00:40:31,719 --> 00:40:37,080 Speaker 13: To find at your gone. 676 00:40:37,760 --> 00:40:41,080 Speaker 1: If you have any information about the disappearance of Danielle 677 00:40:41,080 --> 00:40:44,719 Speaker 1: Imbo and Richard Patron, please call the Citizens Crime Commission 678 00:40:44,719 --> 00:40:48,319 Speaker 1: tip line at two one five five four six eight 679 00:40:48,360 --> 00:40:50,880 Speaker 1: four seven seven, or you can reach out to the 680 00:40:50,920 --> 00:40:54,480 Speaker 1: show in our team by email at varngonpod at gmail 681 00:40:54,520 --> 00:40:58,040 Speaker 1: dot com. 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