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Speaker 1: quarterback Phil Sims. Phil, what's going on? Nothing? You know? Uh, contracts,

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Speaker 1: free agency, draft, off season, whatever. It's a lot going

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Speaker 1: on and good to be on with you. Sorry I'm

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Speaker 1: a little late here, but you know what they say,

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Speaker 1: if you can't get her on time, just get here

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Speaker 1: when you can. So I'm here right now and I'm

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Speaker 1: looking forward to talking to you. Hey, we're happy to

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Speaker 1: have you whatever time you can carve out for us. Phil.

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Speaker 1: So you know, if you guys want contract details and stuff,

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Speaker 1: we'll do all that on Big Blue Kickoff Live and stuff.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna tell about Daniel Jones, the player here with

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Speaker 1: Phil so phil as you kind of monitored this whole thing,

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Speaker 1: all the drama combine face to face meetings. Is this

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Speaker 1: gonna get done with the franchise tag? Just how did

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Speaker 1: you read the whole situation. What was your reaction when

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Speaker 1: you finally saw it got done. Oh, look, I always

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Speaker 1: thought it was gonna get done. It's just you know,

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Speaker 1: and yes, I thought it would be done earlier during

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Speaker 1: the off season, but that's just could have been much later.

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Speaker 1: It got to with like, well, that's right, and that's

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Speaker 1: how it is, down to the last second where you

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Speaker 1: you have to? And that's what the player does, the

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Speaker 1: team does. I think it's you know, of course, when

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Speaker 1: I was thinking about Daniel Jones being re signed late

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Speaker 1: in the year, you know, I was always I put

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Speaker 1: out numbers, but you know, in this NFL now I

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Speaker 1: and I think it was a good job by the Giants.

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Speaker 1: And I'm sure a lot of fans right there going, well,

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Speaker 1: they paid him too much money. It's not your money,

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Speaker 1: and it's okay. Don't worry about it. They they're businessmen

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Speaker 1: good job and they got him. And I think it's

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Speaker 1: nothing but a great step forward for the New York Giants,

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Speaker 1: all right. And it's a step forward for Daniel Jones too, right, Phil,

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Speaker 1: because he gets to step with this coaching staff for

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Speaker 1: a second consecutive year. So I guess before we start

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Speaker 1: you judge in view, because being of a chance to

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Speaker 1: that he made, well, the talent did not surprise me.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, the talent didn't surprise me. But you know,

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Speaker 1: it's not just the Giants everything, but well, he only

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Speaker 1: a great answer, Phil. And then you know, I think

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Speaker 1: he didn't throw. He had the lowest interception rate in

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Speaker 1: it next year. Now what's the trajectory now, Phil, Where

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Speaker 1: it's like he never changes. His personality is great and

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Speaker 1: Not everybody, but he yielded quite a few people, and

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Speaker 1: he was demanding. But he knew how to do it

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Speaker 1: without alien ah too, which is I think always the key. Though.

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Speaker 1: If there's one thing I know about people from New

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Speaker 1: York and New Jersey where I grew up and I

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Speaker 1: live now, we're very used to people yelling at us

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Speaker 1: and yelling at other We just grew up with it,

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Speaker 1: so it isn't a big deal. All right, final question here, Phil,

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Speaker 1: before we say goodbye, Big Picture Giants. You can include

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Speaker 1: Daniel in this answer. If you want to unexpected success

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Speaker 1: last year, right, they make the playoffs, win a playoff game,

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Speaker 1: Like you said in the first answer, you mean nobody

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Speaker 1: would have predicted that before the year. So now it's

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Speaker 1: tougher to do it again. Right, you can do it once,

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Speaker 1: how do you do it again or even improve and

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Speaker 1: take that next step? So for you, as someone that

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Speaker 1: follows the league, what's the formula for the Giants now

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Speaker 1: to sustain that success and not be one of those

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Speaker 1: six or seven or eight teams every year that are

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Speaker 1: in the playoffs one year and then they drop out

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Speaker 1: of it the next. I like their chances of continuing

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Speaker 1: getting better and being more of a factor of this

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Speaker 1: coming year and the years to come. And it comes

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Speaker 1: down to one thing, and that's the coach. That's it.

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Speaker 1: He's gonna sit the environment where you can't relax and go, what,

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Speaker 1: we had a good year last year, and you know,

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Speaker 1: we can relax a little. Know, unfortunately, football, more than

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Speaker 1: to me than any other sport, there's no time to

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Speaker 1: relax when the season's over, take a deep breath, and

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Speaker 1: start worrying about them the following year, because here it comes.

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Speaker 1: And I know Brian Dable, it's easy for him to

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Speaker 1: be that guy that can I don't even know him

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Speaker 1: that well. Hell, he lives up the street from me

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Speaker 1: and I've never seen him in town once. He's always

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Speaker 1: in the damn office. Phil Well, that's good, that's where

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Speaker 1: you want the head coach. But you know it's I

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Speaker 1: just would be shocked if we see him go backwards

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Speaker 1: this coming year because they're gonna be more talented and

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Speaker 1: they can expand what they're doing even more. And the

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Speaker 1: other thing is they kept their coaching staff. I think

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Speaker 1: that's huge. Not that I was rooting against Wink Martin Dell,

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Speaker 1: but I'm glad he's back because he brings a personality

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Speaker 1: also to the team that I think it's just great

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Speaker 1: for the whole situation. And you know the word that

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Speaker 1: everybody says, and I say it every once in a

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Speaker 1: while because I don't know the way to do it.

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Speaker 1: The culture, and I think it's real. I don't think

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Speaker 1: they'll lose it. I think they'll keep the players on edge,

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Speaker 1: they'll be physically better, so I would expect them to

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Speaker 1: be a better football team. Let me just follow up

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Speaker 1: real quickly. You mentioned Wink Martindale. I've been asked you

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Speaker 1: about the defense. Put your quarterback helmet back on. Now,

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Speaker 1: what type of pain in the rear end is it

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Speaker 1: to play against a defense like that? I'm sure it

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Speaker 1: kind of gives you, buddy Ryan, flashbacks from back in

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Speaker 1: the day a little bit, right, It's a pain in

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Speaker 1: the ass. And you know, as I've talked to I've

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Speaker 1: never really got a chance to ask Wink Martindale, I say, Wink,

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Speaker 1: you know whatever these questions and a lot of them

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Speaker 1: like Todd Bowles. I say, you know, if you blitz

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Speaker 1: and the quarterback hits a big pass on you, is

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Speaker 1: that's do you stop blitzing? He goes no, and I

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Speaker 1: go why? He goes they hate it when you blitz,

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Speaker 1: and it would just keep them on edge and I'm

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Speaker 1: gonna keep doing it and whatever. And after he got

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Speaker 1: done telling me the whole scenario, I'm not gonna do it.

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Speaker 1: I just went, Wow, that makes a lot of sense.

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Speaker 1: You know, it's an easy decision making for a quarterback,

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Speaker 1: but it's constant pressure of the blitz. What's going on

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Speaker 1: all these things? And so that's what I love about

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Speaker 1: Wink Martindale. Trust me, I know quarterbacks are over there

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Speaker 1: trying to guess with him. Oh it looks like a blitz,

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Speaker 1: and you know, I think they're pretty good at disguise too.

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Speaker 1: So he's a big factor in their successes past year.

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Speaker 1: And hey, look, and I don't care I say it

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Speaker 1: on the air at CBS. I'm a giant fan and

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Speaker 1: it's what else you want me to do? Boomer sits

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Speaker 1: thereon roots for the damn Bengals all the time, Bill Kawer.

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Speaker 1: He can't go three segments without talking about the Steelers,

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Speaker 1: So why can't I talk about the Giants every once

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Speaker 1: in a while. And this year we will have more

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Speaker 1: of their games probably on CBS in years past, which

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Speaker 1: I'm pretty excited about. Yeah, represent that big bluefold you

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Speaker 1: mentioned before we started. You're watching the college quarterbacks right

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Speaker 1: coming out a little bit. Yeah, I'm gonna just give

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Speaker 1: me a thumbnail on your thoughts at the top of

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Speaker 1: the class. I know you had a good tweet about

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Speaker 1: Anthony Richardson. He's just kind of like a He's basically

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Speaker 1: Cam Newton, except he's more athletic. It's ridiculous, just your

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Speaker 1: thoughts on the four guys and in your early watching

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Speaker 1: of them on tap. Well, I'm gonna slowly, I've already

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Speaker 1: watched them, all those guys, and I'm working all the

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Speaker 1: way down the list, and I'm gonna tell you, John,

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Speaker 1: there are a lot of guys I like, and it's

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Speaker 1: I think you can get an NFL starter in the

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Speaker 1: second round. I think there's a really high end guy.

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Speaker 1: So I'm not going to get into who they are

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Speaker 1: yet because I want to really clarify it. But I

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Speaker 1: was watching a couple of quarterbacks yesterday. I'm not even

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Speaker 1: gonna say their name. I went, oh my gosh, this

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Speaker 1: is hell. I might pass on that top four and

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Speaker 1: just take this guy later. And you know, I guess

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Speaker 1: we got four guys. Everybody's thinking it could go on

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Speaker 1: the top ten. But yeah, there's it's I'm not like

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Speaker 1: blown away by the talent of the that first group.

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Speaker 1: I like them, and there's a lot of stuff I

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Speaker 1: like and I don't like whatever. That's one thing. But

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Speaker 1: I'm really caught off. I caught by surprise with the

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Speaker 1: talent and some of the other guys. So it's a

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Speaker 1: deep draft as far as that goes. And you're gonna

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Speaker 1: be able to get a backup quarterback, a potential starter

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Speaker 1: for sure, in a second round, maybe late first. So

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Speaker 1: we could have more than four or five go in

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Speaker 1: the first round. It'll be interesting. So I'll get back

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Speaker 1: with you as we do this, get a little closer,

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Speaker 1: and I'll try to put them in order. But I'm

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Speaker 1: gonna talk a lot about him, that's for sure here

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Speaker 1: coming in the future. Hey can't wait to hear it. Phil,

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Speaker 1: good stuff. Thank you so much for the time and

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Speaker 1: let's talk again real soon. All right, John, you're the man.

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Speaker 1: All you gonna do is call me. I know I

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Speaker 1: was late today, but thanks for being patient. You know

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Speaker 1: my son, like I said, what do I say about

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Speaker 1: my son Chris? He's a pain? Dan? Can you do

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Speaker 1: the podcast? I go, yeah, I didn't know. Hell, I

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Speaker 1: don't know. We're gonna be on for two hours, but

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Speaker 1: that worked out. It's fine, but we Chris was one

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Speaker 1: with us a couple of months ago. I think it

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00:27:05,520 --> 00:27:08,160
Speaker 1: was right before the Vikings playoff game. Actually, so really

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Speaker 1: trust me. The Simms family are our good friends of

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Speaker 1: the Giants Little Podcast. Thanks so much being with us.

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Speaker 1: We'll talk to you soon and we'll see you next time.

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Speaker 1: As Paul, don't interrupt my closing of the show, get

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Speaker 1: out of here. Thanks for joining us on the Giants

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Speaker 1: Little Podcast. We'll see you next time. Everybody,