WEBVTT - Vanderhall Motor Works 0:00:07.720 --> 0:00:09.879 Hello, and welcome to the Fast Track. I'm your host, 0:00:09.880 --> 0:00:12.360 Scott Benjamin, and this is an all new show and 0:00:12.360 --> 0:00:14.200 I'm gonna have to do something right off the bat 0:00:14.200 --> 0:00:16.079 that I haven't had to do for a very long 0:00:16.120 --> 0:00:19.320 time since I've worked here. I've I've been at at 0:00:19.320 --> 0:00:21.840 this company for a long time, producing podcast since about 0:00:21.840 --> 0:00:25.040 two thousand eight. And I've run another show called Car 0:00:25.079 --> 0:00:27.680 Stuff with with my co host Ben Bowling and recently 0:00:28.000 --> 0:00:30.000 been doing that one on my own as well. And uh, 0:00:30.040 --> 0:00:32.440 this is another brand new one. So I have a 0:00:32.479 --> 0:00:34.320 feeling that we're gonna have a lot of new listeners 0:00:34.360 --> 0:00:37.680 to this show and even some return listeners from Car Stuff, 0:00:37.720 --> 0:00:40.680 And I kind of wanted to describe exactly what's going 0:00:40.720 --> 0:00:42.440 on and talk a little bit, just a little bit 0:00:42.479 --> 0:00:44.599 about myself and who I am, and you know why 0:00:44.640 --> 0:00:47.920 I'm doing this, and give you a better understanding of 0:00:47.960 --> 0:00:51.600 why we're creating this show, this this new fast Track podcast. 0:00:52.080 --> 0:00:54.040 I guess I've been here at I Heeart Media for 0:00:54.080 --> 0:00:56.120 a long time. I think you'll find that, you know, 0:00:56.160 --> 0:00:58.960 you know, um, I've been fascinated with speed for a 0:00:58.960 --> 0:01:02.320 long long time. As as Car Stuff listeners will remember, Um, 0:01:02.400 --> 0:01:04.760 we've talked about you know, racing in the past and 0:01:05.000 --> 0:01:08.800 people that race, and and components and engines and technology 0:01:08.840 --> 0:01:10.480 and all of that. And it's it's always been fun 0:01:10.520 --> 0:01:13.039 topics and we've always really seemed to enjoy talking about them. 0:01:13.319 --> 0:01:15.880 And I've always been intrigued by you know, fast cars, 0:01:15.920 --> 0:01:18.960 fast trucks, bikes, boats, anything that really you know, it 0:01:19.200 --> 0:01:21.959 is just quick. I guess I've I've enjoyed that top speed, 0:01:22.319 --> 0:01:24.559 just you know, short speed. You know we're talking about 0:01:24.600 --> 0:01:27.200 like drag racing or something like that, Um, anything like that. 0:01:27.240 --> 0:01:30.399 I've I've just loved racing forever and uh um, you know, 0:01:30.480 --> 0:01:32.959 making machines kind of reach their their limits. That's what 0:01:33.319 --> 0:01:35.080 I've really enjoyed and I want to talk about that 0:01:35.200 --> 0:01:37.679 specifically in this podcast. And we're gonna kind of have 0:01:37.760 --> 0:01:40.399 a more narrow focus on this show. The fast Track 0:01:40.520 --> 0:01:43.039 is going to kind of highlight anything and everything that 0:01:43.120 --> 0:01:45.679 allows us to go fast. So we're talking about you know, 0:01:45.720 --> 0:01:48.760 the past, the present, the future, racing um, including the 0:01:48.800 --> 0:01:50.920 machines and you know, the racers themselves, you know, the 0:01:51.160 --> 0:01:53.680 people that that make them go fast, that drive them 0:01:53.720 --> 0:01:56.720 all of that. The technology, you know, like the cutting 0:01:56.840 --> 0:01:59.520 edge engines and the engineering that's used both on and 0:01:59.640 --> 0:02:01.640 off the tracks. So we're not only going to talk about, 0:02:01.880 --> 0:02:03.720 you know, race racing cars that you know are on 0:02:03.760 --> 0:02:05.560 the track. We're going to talk about cars that you 0:02:05.600 --> 0:02:07.240 know you'll see on the road as well. In fact, 0:02:07.280 --> 0:02:08.960 we're gonna start with one of those today when we 0:02:08.960 --> 0:02:11.440 get to it. But, um, we just want to find 0:02:11.480 --> 0:02:13.919 out exactly, you know, what is this thing with speed? 0:02:13.919 --> 0:02:16.160 Why are we all enticed by speed? And you know 0:02:16.200 --> 0:02:19.080 what makes cars go faster? Who drives them? Why did 0:02:19.080 --> 0:02:21.480 they do it? Why do they create these vehicles? Um? 0:02:21.520 --> 0:02:23.320 And why do we like watching them? Really? I mean, 0:02:23.440 --> 0:02:25.280 I think there's some pretty simple answers to a lot 0:02:25.360 --> 0:02:27.720 of that, you know, the adrenaline or whatever. But we 0:02:27.760 --> 0:02:29.840 are going to dig into that type of stuff and 0:02:30.280 --> 0:02:32.640 that's going to be kind of the more narrow focus 0:02:32.639 --> 0:02:35.600 of this show versus car stuff. So if that's your question, uh, 0:02:35.680 --> 0:02:38.400 that is that's what we're gonna do. And uh, you know, today, 0:02:38.400 --> 0:02:40.480 as I promise, we're gonna talk about something that that 0:02:40.600 --> 0:02:44.240 is fast and uh, it is a vehicle, it's it's 0:02:44.280 --> 0:02:47.919 actually it's an auto cycle. Um, it's called it's called 0:02:47.919 --> 0:02:50.400 a vander Hall. And the vander Hall is actually a 0:02:50.440 --> 0:02:53.440 whole line of vehicles that we will discuss. There's there's 0:02:53.440 --> 0:02:56.720 several models. Um essentially what they are, they're there three 0:02:56.720 --> 0:03:00.079 wheeled auto cycles, and um, you know the competition in 0:03:00.200 --> 0:03:01.680 the field right now, there's a there's a couple of 0:03:01.680 --> 0:03:03.639 these already on the road. There's you know, the Polaris 0:03:03.639 --> 0:03:06.600 sling Shot, there's the Morgan three wheeler. Probably a couple 0:03:06.639 --> 0:03:09.359 others I'm forgetting, I think, uh, just there's a there's 0:03:09.360 --> 0:03:11.119 a bunch of three wheelers out there already. Of course 0:03:11.320 --> 0:03:14.639 classic cars that were three wheelers, and not so many 0:03:14.680 --> 0:03:17.080 new ones, but but a few out there. These vander 0:03:17.120 --> 0:03:19.919 hallt vehicles that we're gonna talk about are technically federally 0:03:19.960 --> 0:03:22.400 classified as a motorcycle. So I guess in some states 0:03:22.400 --> 0:03:24.679 you're gonna have to wear a helmet, but if you know, 0:03:24.760 --> 0:03:26.239 you have to look into that on your own to 0:03:26.280 --> 0:03:27.960 see if see if you're one of the states to 0:03:28.000 --> 0:03:29.560 do that. This is a vehicle to go zero to 0:03:29.639 --> 0:03:33.320 sixty in less than five seconds. And what makes it 0:03:33.360 --> 0:03:35.600 kind of unique is that it's a it's a front engine, 0:03:35.680 --> 0:03:38.240 front wheel drive three wheeler, which is kind of rare. 0:03:38.280 --> 0:03:40.120 Usually it's the rear wheel that's being powered, not in 0:03:40.120 --> 0:03:43.200 every case, but um, typically you'll find that it's the 0:03:43.200 --> 0:03:45.680 rear wheel that's being powered in these vehicles. And you know, 0:03:45.680 --> 0:03:47.240 we're gonna get to the description of it in just 0:03:47.280 --> 0:03:49.240 a moment and everything all about it, and you know, 0:03:49.440 --> 0:03:51.680 I'll let you in on the on the inside scoop 0:03:51.680 --> 0:03:53.560 on all this. But there has been a lot of 0:03:53.600 --> 0:03:56.440 press about these vehicles since about two thousand fifteen or so, 0:03:56.520 --> 0:03:58.360 and that's when they came out. There's of course some 0:03:58.400 --> 0:04:00.320 new models that we want to talk about, and that's 0:04:00.320 --> 0:04:02.960 why we're bringing it up today. Uh. There've been articles 0:04:02.960 --> 0:04:06.400 in the rob Report or in uh Petrolicious, if you're 0:04:06.560 --> 0:04:09.120 you know reading if you read online Road and Track, 0:04:09.240 --> 0:04:12.440 Motor Trend, Autoblog, Forbes, you know, all over the place 0:04:12.440 --> 0:04:14.760 there there are more places than that even and uh, 0:04:14.840 --> 0:04:16.520 if you really want to check it out and get 0:04:16.880 --> 0:04:19.880 kind of a decent review of these things and and 0:04:19.960 --> 0:04:22.440 kind of have some fun along the way. There was 0:04:22.440 --> 0:04:26.159 an appearance on j Lenos garage of the vander Hall Venice, 0:04:26.279 --> 0:04:27.760 which is a model that we're going to talk about, 0:04:28.000 --> 0:04:31.080 which happens sometime around uh I think it was in 0:04:31.120 --> 0:04:34.000 August of two thousand and seventeen is when that that 0:04:34.200 --> 0:04:37.159 edition came out, and it's it's definitely worth watching. It's 0:04:37.200 --> 0:04:39.560 it's it's fun. It's got the founder of the company 0:04:39.600 --> 0:04:42.640 that we're gonna discuss in just a minute. UM. But 0:04:42.800 --> 0:04:44.640 these things they have, they have a really fun look. 0:04:44.640 --> 0:04:47.920 They look fast, they are fast. There quick vehicle. UM. 0:04:47.920 --> 0:04:49.840 I'm sure they're thrilled to drive. It seems like it's 0:04:49.920 --> 0:04:51.960 kind of like one of those vehicles that when you 0:04:52.000 --> 0:04:53.880 get in or you even see it in your garage, 0:04:54.200 --> 0:04:55.919 it would make you smile every time you see it. 0:04:55.920 --> 0:04:58.839 It's it's that type of vehicle. UM. Sounds like a 0:04:58.880 --> 0:05:01.280 small sports card and not like a motorcycle. And I'll 0:05:01.279 --> 0:05:04.640 tell you why. UM as we get to that UM shifting. 0:05:04.800 --> 0:05:06.760 We'll talk about shifting. I guess two as we go 0:05:06.800 --> 0:05:08.760 along here. But UM, it does have kind of a 0:05:09.320 --> 0:05:13.320 sequential shifter a lot like a motorcycle would. UM. But gosh, 0:05:13.320 --> 0:05:15.200 I think we're already getting a little bit ahead of 0:05:15.200 --> 0:05:17.720 ourselves because I want to UM give you a little 0:05:17.720 --> 0:05:20.080 bit of the company info, some of the background on 0:05:20.120 --> 0:05:22.320 this thing, and uh and let you know what it's 0:05:22.360 --> 0:05:26.760 all about. UM, if you haven't already looked it up, 0:05:26.760 --> 0:05:29.279 if you haven't already checked out, UM, you know vander 0:05:29.279 --> 0:05:31.800 hallt Motor Works, maybe you should do. So. You can 0:05:31.800 --> 0:05:35.240 go to vander hallt USA dot com and you can 0:05:35.320 --> 0:05:37.640 find just about anything and everything that you want there 0:05:37.960 --> 0:05:41.280 as far as information goes on these auto cycle vehicles. UM, 0:05:41.400 --> 0:05:44.440 auto cycles, I should say, you'll find a course of gallery. 0:05:44.480 --> 0:05:46.440 You know, it has lots of lots of photos and videos. 0:05:46.480 --> 0:05:48.920 You'll find UM an inventory of vehicles if you want 0:05:48.920 --> 0:05:52.080 to buy one. You'll find owners manuals, their model specs. 0:05:52.080 --> 0:05:55.039 You'll find dealer contacts. You know, just about everything that 0:05:55.080 --> 0:05:58.200 you could expect to find on a website you'll find there. UM. 0:05:58.240 --> 0:06:01.159 The company itself, vander Hall All Motor Works. It was 0:06:01.200 --> 0:06:04.520 founded in two thousand and ten, but they didn't really 0:06:04.520 --> 0:06:06.840 produce a vehicle until that two thousand and fifteen. And 0:06:07.040 --> 0:06:09.120 I'll tell you why in just a moment. But it 0:06:09.240 --> 0:06:13.679 is an American vehicle manufacturer that's based in of all places, Provo, Utah. 0:06:13.760 --> 0:06:17.080 Now I say of all places because I believe and 0:06:17.080 --> 0:06:19.719 this is according to uh, you know Jay Leno and 0:06:19.760 --> 0:06:23.440 the and the founder talking on on Jay Leno's garage. UH, 0:06:23.480 --> 0:06:26.200 this is apparently the only car that has ever been 0:06:26.240 --> 0:06:28.640 manufactured in Utah. Now I find that hard to believe 0:06:28.760 --> 0:06:32.280 because there were so many US auto manufacturers at the 0:06:32.320 --> 0:06:34.960 turn of the century. Um, I just can't believe that 0:06:34.960 --> 0:06:36.760 that none of them were out of Utah. But I 0:06:36.760 --> 0:06:39.880 guess this is the first and only car ever manufactured 0:06:39.880 --> 0:06:43.640 in Utah. The founder's name is Steve Hall. He's the CEO. 0:06:44.000 --> 0:06:47.760 And Steve was he happened to be a CAD designer 0:06:47.800 --> 0:06:53.080 at a company called Novotech now, um Novotech. He just 0:06:53.080 --> 0:06:55.200 so you know what Novotech is. It was Russia's or 0:06:55.200 --> 0:06:58.839 it is Russia's second largest natural gas producer, and it's 0:06:58.880 --> 0:07:01.719 based in Western Side area with it does have a 0:07:01.720 --> 0:07:04.960 sales office in Moscow. But I guess, Uh, Steve was 0:07:05.040 --> 0:07:07.800 designing or working on, um, you know, some designs for 0:07:07.880 --> 0:07:10.920 his vehicle at that time. And uh it again. It 0:07:10.920 --> 0:07:13.360 took him about five years from the founding of the company, 0:07:13.760 --> 0:07:16.040 uh the idea in two thousand ten up until about 0:07:16.040 --> 0:07:19.600 two thousand fifteen when he developed a vehicle called the 0:07:19.680 --> 0:07:24.200 vander Hall Laguna. And the Laguna is an interesting vehicle 0:07:24.320 --> 0:07:27.760 and it is one that essentially the rest of the 0:07:27.760 --> 0:07:30.600 line kind of follows the lagunas looks. It's it seems 0:07:30.600 --> 0:07:33.480 like they're a little bit more refined as we as 0:07:33.480 --> 0:07:35.680 we get, you know, a little bit later into production. 0:07:35.880 --> 0:07:37.520 And I think that the Laguna is actually a two 0:07:37.520 --> 0:07:39.960 thousand sixteen model year vehicle. But it was produced in 0:07:39.960 --> 0:07:42.360 two thousand and fifteen, or at least that was when 0:07:42.360 --> 0:07:45.160 it was it was developed. Um. You know again this 0:07:45.240 --> 0:07:47.680 this initial model of course as a three wheel roadster, 0:07:48.000 --> 0:07:50.960 and it again classified as a motorcycle. Um. But that 0:07:51.040 --> 0:07:53.560 is when it finally passed the testing for um, you know, 0:07:53.600 --> 0:07:55.080 the n h T s A and e p A 0:07:55.160 --> 0:08:00.120 certifications in around and they actually came up with three 0:08:00.160 --> 0:08:04.560 different models of the Laguna, And there was just the 0:08:04.640 --> 0:08:08.760 standard Laguna, and then there was also the Laguna Sport Premium, 0:08:08.800 --> 0:08:12.800 and then there was something called the Laguna Bespoke Motoring Experience. 0:08:12.840 --> 0:08:14.640 Now I can imagine that that one had just about 0:08:14.680 --> 0:08:18.239 all the bells and whistles they could possibly want on it. Um. 0:08:18.280 --> 0:08:21.320 Each one of these things featured a one point four 0:08:21.440 --> 0:08:26.840 leader two horsepower GM based four cylinder turbocharged engine and 0:08:27.040 --> 0:08:30.720 had a GM six ft automatic transmission. Now, remember when 0:08:30.720 --> 0:08:33.400 I said just a moment ago that um, you know, 0:08:33.440 --> 0:08:35.959 this is a this is a an auto cycle that 0:08:36.080 --> 0:08:38.200 does not sound like a motorcycle. It sounds more like 0:08:38.440 --> 0:08:41.280 a small sports car. The reason is, of course, because 0:08:41.280 --> 0:08:43.960 it does have this GM four cylinder engine which sits 0:08:44.040 --> 0:08:46.560 up front. And uh and these are these are front 0:08:46.559 --> 0:08:49.840 wheel drive cars, which is again kind of strange in 0:08:49.880 --> 0:08:52.680 the world of three wheel vehicles, but um, not completely 0:08:52.760 --> 0:08:55.960 unheard of. So just kind of an interesting turn there, 0:08:56.000 --> 0:08:58.400 I guess with that. Um, Now, the specs on this 0:08:58.679 --> 0:09:01.640 and and I'll i'll kind of described this vehicle to 0:09:01.679 --> 0:09:03.439 you as we get to because it is it is 0:09:03.720 --> 0:09:07.280 the first one, um you know, from Vanderhal motor Works, 0:09:07.320 --> 0:09:09.640 and they've developed these quite a bit as we as 0:09:09.679 --> 0:09:11.920 we start to look at the newer models. But um, 0:09:12.920 --> 0:09:15.079 the base price on these now and I'll tell you 0:09:15.200 --> 0:09:17.360 why it gets kind of expensive in just a moment. 0:09:17.440 --> 0:09:21.120 But the base price on this for the Laguna again, 0:09:21.240 --> 0:09:23.640 two thousand sixteen was the model year. The base price 0:09:23.720 --> 0:09:26.240 was forty nine thousand, nine d and fifty dollars, So 0:09:26.280 --> 0:09:29.120 we're talking about a fifty thousand dollar if you want 0:09:29.160 --> 0:09:32.319 to call it that. It's an essential. It's essentially a toy. Um, 0:09:32.440 --> 0:09:34.360 it's kind of a weekend car. It's definitely not not 0:09:34.520 --> 0:09:37.800 a a daily driver or a grocery getter or whatever 0:09:37.840 --> 0:09:41.440 you wanna call it. UM. The price as tested, according 0:09:41.480 --> 0:09:45.480 to Automobile magazine, This is back in July of the 0:09:45.559 --> 0:09:49.240 price as tested was seventies seven thousand dollars. So they 0:09:49.320 --> 0:09:51.960 must have had one of the higher end models, one 0:09:52.000 --> 0:09:54.360 of those Ringer cars that you often hear of the 0:09:54.480 --> 0:09:57.040 you know they hand out to the press to drive, 0:09:57.120 --> 0:09:59.360 you know, make sure that they're they're absolutely running perfect, 0:09:59.360 --> 0:10:02.480 they have every option available. UM. The engine, as we said, 0:10:02.480 --> 0:10:05.880 it was one point four leader turbo charged dual over 0:10:05.960 --> 0:10:09.480 a Camp sixteen valve in line four. It had two 0:10:09.559 --> 0:10:11.880 hundred horse power, and of course that two hundred horse 0:10:11.920 --> 0:10:14.880 powers coming from only PM. Now, I know that's sort 0:10:14.920 --> 0:10:17.400 of high, but it's not anywhere near what it would 0:10:17.400 --> 0:10:19.400 be if it was a motorcycle engine, you know, when 0:10:19.400 --> 0:10:21.920 we were talking about revs. Uh, you know, ten thousand 0:10:22.000 --> 0:10:25.000 or more, twelve thousand, fourteen thousands, something like that. UM 0:10:25.160 --> 0:10:27.280 two hundred two hundre pound feet of torque, which is 0:10:27.360 --> 0:10:29.760 decent for a small little vehicle like that. So I'm 0:10:29.800 --> 0:10:32.559 sure it was a quick car. UM. You know a 0:10:32.640 --> 0:10:34.400 lot of places, as we said, you know, we'll say 0:10:34.840 --> 0:10:37.200 it goes zero to sixty and less than five seconds, 0:10:37.280 --> 0:10:40.800 So um, you know, again pretty pretty snappy, pretty pretty 0:10:40.840 --> 0:10:43.640 quick car. This one in particular, it was it had 0:10:43.679 --> 0:10:46.360 two doors, which is not the case across the model 0:10:46.360 --> 0:10:47.880 line up now as we'll tell you in just a 0:10:47.960 --> 0:10:50.439 little while or towards the end of the podcast. UM 0:10:50.640 --> 0:10:53.480 two passengers also not the case with every one of 0:10:53.559 --> 0:10:56.320 these UH front engine, front wheel drive roadster. Of course 0:10:56.360 --> 0:10:59.439 we we talked about that mileage was decent, not not fantastic, 0:10:59.520 --> 0:11:02.880 but decent um at twenty four city and thirty two 0:11:02.960 --> 0:11:05.360 miles per gallon on the highway. Although I don't think 0:11:05.400 --> 0:11:07.640 you really care what the mileage is that you're getting 0:11:07.640 --> 0:11:09.160 out of one of these. It's just a fun vehicle 0:11:09.200 --> 0:11:12.719 to drive around. Very lightweight. Now this is where the 0:11:13.559 --> 0:11:16.760 base price UM is probably coming from. It why it's 0:11:16.760 --> 0:11:18.520 so expensive. And I know that these are you know, 0:11:18.600 --> 0:11:22.120 kind of custom built vehicles and uh um not all 0:11:22.280 --> 0:11:25.360 custom but more like more like boutique vehicles as as 0:11:25.360 --> 0:11:28.679 we'll discuss in just a second, but um a very 0:11:28.760 --> 0:11:32.280 lightweight and the reason is because UH Laguna had a 0:11:32.400 --> 0:11:35.720 hand laid carbon fiber body. Now that's something that they 0:11:35.760 --> 0:11:39.560 have stopped doing for the current model. Lineup. But again, 0:11:40.000 --> 0:11:43.000 a hand laid carbon fiber body is something that that 0:11:43.160 --> 0:11:47.199 makes vehicles pretty expensive because it is very time consuming 0:11:47.280 --> 0:11:50.800 to do something like this. It's it's an expensive process. Um, 0:11:50.880 --> 0:11:54.679 it's a labor intensive process. And manufacturers are starting to 0:11:54.800 --> 0:11:58.120 try to um to simplify this whole process so that 0:11:58.440 --> 0:12:01.360 you know, it becomes cheaper to create fiber body panels 0:12:01.440 --> 0:12:05.440 for whatever vehicle they're producing. You know, lightweight equals um 0:12:05.600 --> 0:12:09.160 you know, better, better performance, better miles per gallon all that. 0:12:09.320 --> 0:12:11.760 So a lot of manufacturers right now are searching for 0:12:12.400 --> 0:12:14.880 kind of the silver bullet on that and figuring out 0:12:14.920 --> 0:12:16.719 the best way to do it. Some have gotten very 0:12:16.760 --> 0:12:20.080 close to getting the cost down to exactly where they 0:12:20.120 --> 0:12:23.520 want it so that they can um, you know, produce 0:12:23.600 --> 0:12:26.559 and manufacturer these cars are much cheaper with you know, 0:12:26.720 --> 0:12:29.719 the performance and the and the mileage and all that 0:12:29.840 --> 0:12:33.719 that they need. Especially when you're talking about cafe restrictions 0:12:33.720 --> 0:12:36.360 coming in place and stuff, you're gonna need lighter weight vehicles, 0:12:36.400 --> 0:12:39.439 and aluminum doesn't always do the trick. Now, I just 0:12:39.679 --> 0:12:41.720 mentioned for a sect just over a second, I said 0:12:41.760 --> 0:12:44.559 something about boutique vehicles, and uh, I would guess that 0:12:44.679 --> 0:12:48.080 Vander holl does count as a boutique manufacturer. And if 0:12:48.120 --> 0:12:50.480 you want to think about other boutique manufacturers or you 0:12:50.520 --> 0:12:53.559 want something similar just to kind of compare it, you're 0:12:53.559 --> 0:12:57.280 talking about manufacturers like Hennessey or Icon or Shelby American 0:12:57.400 --> 0:13:00.240 or something like that, very low production numbers. But the 0:13:00.360 --> 0:13:04.080 vehicles are something special. There's something that are typically handbuilt. Um, 0:13:04.320 --> 0:13:07.599 you know, there's no assembly line production usually um, and 0:13:07.840 --> 0:13:11.439 they are you know, very well, very well appointed. I 0:13:11.480 --> 0:13:13.400 guess maybe that's the best way to put it. They 0:13:13.480 --> 0:13:16.280 have a lot of features and functions and personal touches 0:13:16.400 --> 0:13:19.079 that a lot of you know, your standard cars that 0:13:19.120 --> 0:13:22.200 are manufactured in mass on assembly lines just simply don't 0:13:22.240 --> 0:13:25.240 have because um, you know, of time, or or because 0:13:25.280 --> 0:13:27.920 of money concerns or gearing, what have you. There's a 0:13:28.000 --> 0:13:30.920 lot of reasons that that's something like that might might happen. 0:13:31.280 --> 0:13:32.880 And you know what we're gonna let I want to 0:13:32.920 --> 0:13:36.079 talk a little bit more about, um, these vehicles because 0:13:36.160 --> 0:13:38.800 we're getting to the point now where there are uh 0:13:38.920 --> 0:13:41.320 four or five Um schuffle a lot of paper here, 0:13:41.360 --> 0:13:43.280 so I hope you can't hear that, but uh, there 0:13:43.320 --> 0:13:45.920 are four or five models that that Vander Hall Motor 0:13:45.960 --> 0:13:48.800 Works is actually producing and or will be producing in 0:13:48.840 --> 0:13:51.760 the very very near future. Um. So they've got the 0:13:51.840 --> 0:13:54.679 they've got the vander Holl Laguna, which was in the 0:13:54.800 --> 0:13:58.000 Venice and teen. Then they had the Edison Squared which 0:13:58.240 --> 0:14:02.280 came out in teen. I bet you'll hear people refer 0:14:02.360 --> 0:14:05.480 to that as a Edison too. Um. There's a reason 0:14:05.640 --> 0:14:08.040 we'll talk about that and a bit. Uh. Then there's 0:14:08.080 --> 0:14:11.640 the Venice Speedster which came out ineen. And then there's 0:14:11.679 --> 0:14:15.000 something called the vander Hall Carmel uh that's coming out 0:14:15.000 --> 0:14:17.120 in twenty nine or has come out in twenty nineteen. 0:14:17.160 --> 0:14:20.120 It I think it still says coming soon on the website, 0:14:20.160 --> 0:14:23.080 so maybe not quite yet. But you know, I do 0:14:23.200 --> 0:14:25.760 want to talk about the family of engines that are 0:14:25.800 --> 0:14:28.440 being used in these because there's some interesting stuff here 0:14:28.480 --> 0:14:30.600 as well. And I think we'll do that. But let's 0:14:30.920 --> 0:14:37.840 let's take a word from our sponsor first. And we're 0:14:37.880 --> 0:14:39.840 back and you're listening to the fast Track, and I'm 0:14:39.880 --> 0:14:42.520 your host, Scott Benjamin, and we were just talking about 0:14:42.640 --> 0:14:45.920 maybe discussing, uh, you know, the family of engines that 0:14:46.320 --> 0:14:49.280 that are that are fitted underneath the uh the bonnet. 0:14:49.320 --> 0:14:50.560 I guess if you want to call it that. Of 0:14:50.680 --> 0:14:53.920 the of these vehicles, these these specialty vehicles, and you know, 0:14:54.280 --> 0:14:56.800 it's funny, I haven't even really described them yet. UM, 0:14:57.000 --> 0:14:58.600 maybe I should do that. And they look they have 0:14:58.720 --> 0:15:00.800 like sort of like a mo we're gonna three wheeler 0:15:00.880 --> 0:15:02.840 look without the the engine up front, you know, the 0:15:02.880 --> 0:15:05.800 exposed engine up front. UM. I said that their front 0:15:05.800 --> 0:15:08.080 wheel drive. And they do have some fenders up front, 0:15:08.120 --> 0:15:11.640 which is sometimes unique in these vehicles. UM, They're not 0:15:11.720 --> 0:15:13.400 always covered like that, and it's kind of nice that 0:15:13.480 --> 0:15:15.440 they are just for you know, road debris, rocks, that 0:15:15.480 --> 0:15:17.760 type of stuff to get flipped back up on you. UM. 0:15:18.360 --> 0:15:20.240 A couple of them have doors, a couple of them 0:15:20.280 --> 0:15:22.480 don't have doors, and we'll discuss those when we get 0:15:22.480 --> 0:15:25.680 to the models. UM, I believe it or not, that's 0:15:25.720 --> 0:15:28.200 a luxury feature in these vehicles, and the door is 0:15:28.200 --> 0:15:30.480 a luxury feature. In fact, a second seat is kind 0:15:30.520 --> 0:15:32.440 of a luxury feature in some of these. It depending 0:15:32.480 --> 0:15:34.560 on how you look at it. And I'd kind of 0:15:34.600 --> 0:15:36.200 like to leave that as a question for the end 0:15:36.240 --> 0:15:39.080 of this whole podcast them, so we'll definitely get to 0:15:39.200 --> 0:15:41.760 it and discuss that. But UM, let's first, let's let's 0:15:41.760 --> 0:15:44.320 talk about these engines. The engine that is being used, 0:15:44.360 --> 0:15:47.640 it's actually a whole family, the one that UM is 0:15:48.320 --> 0:15:49.960 being used in this one. I believe it has a 0:15:50.040 --> 0:15:53.400 designation LUV, and I've seen that described as as Love 0:15:53.800 --> 0:15:55.440 in the past, but I don't know if people actually 0:15:55.440 --> 0:15:58.000 say love. It's probably just LUV. And then there's another 0:15:58.360 --> 0:16:00.440 questionable thing here, and I'll tell you why I question 0:16:00.560 --> 0:16:03.880 what this is. It says the GM Family zero engine, 0:16:03.920 --> 0:16:05.920 which I don't know if it's zero or if it's 0:16:05.960 --> 0:16:09.320 actually OH, because the family if I say Family Oh, 0:16:09.440 --> 0:16:12.240 the Family OH is a family of inline piston engines 0:16:12.280 --> 0:16:14.840 that was developed by the company Opal when they at 0:16:14.880 --> 0:16:16.840 the time when they were a subsidiary General Motors, which 0:16:16.880 --> 0:16:19.000 is up until just very recently. I want to say, 0:16:19.000 --> 0:16:21.200 it was like, um, just off the top of my head, 0:16:21.240 --> 0:16:25.840 like somewhere in there when Opal was still owned by 0:16:26.120 --> 0:16:29.160 General Motors. And it's all it is, really is. It's 0:16:29.200 --> 0:16:32.960 a low displacement engine that's used on entry level subcon 0:16:33.320 --> 0:16:37.680 subcompact cars from Opal and Vauxhall and they've developed that 0:16:37.960 --> 0:16:40.800 engine for use on these on these vander Hall speedsters 0:16:41.160 --> 0:16:44.800 or vander Hall vehicles. I should say, and um, you 0:16:44.840 --> 0:16:48.000 know all the auto cycles. Um. Can we pause here 0:16:48.080 --> 0:16:49.640 just for a second so I can tell you about 0:16:49.720 --> 0:16:52.640 a UM just kind of a side note, I guess 0:16:52.680 --> 0:16:55.160 my dad had an Opal Manta when I was growing up, 0:16:55.360 --> 0:16:57.600 and it was actually Amanta A if you want to 0:16:57.640 --> 0:17:00.400 be specific about it. And I'm not sure exactly wight year. 0:17:00.440 --> 0:17:02.960 It was in nineteen seventy nineteen seventy five. That's all 0:17:03.000 --> 0:17:06.159 I know, because it was definitely the Manta A. And 0:17:06.400 --> 0:17:07.960 if you want to look them up online, they're they're 0:17:08.000 --> 0:17:09.879 kind of a cool looking old vehicle. Now, it was 0:17:09.880 --> 0:17:13.640 a German car. UM it was. It was orange, had 0:17:13.640 --> 0:17:15.280 a black top on it, kind of a it was 0:17:15.320 --> 0:17:18.280 a hard top, but it had a black um. I 0:17:18.320 --> 0:17:20.200 I don't know he's called leather or whatever that is 0:17:20.240 --> 0:17:22.880 on top, the swede or whatever they put on there. 0:17:23.359 --> 0:17:24.960 But that's the car that I learned to shift in. 0:17:25.040 --> 0:17:27.960 So there's kind of a special place, uh special place 0:17:28.520 --> 0:17:31.159 you know, in in my mind for that vehicle and 0:17:31.280 --> 0:17:33.760 some good memories in that car. Was very small, had 0:17:33.800 --> 0:17:36.440 a back seat, but it was very very small, two door, 0:17:36.720 --> 0:17:38.680 and it was just kind of a cool looking vehicle. 0:17:39.240 --> 0:17:41.600 And uh again, learning to shift from the passenger seat 0:17:41.680 --> 0:17:42.960 was kind of fun. You know, I found out, you know, 0:17:43.000 --> 0:17:45.399 found kind of the rhythm of shifting and and we 0:17:45.520 --> 0:17:47.000 had some good times in that car. It was it 0:17:47.119 --> 0:17:49.800 was not a very expensive car, obviously, it was kind 0:17:49.800 --> 0:17:52.560 of a cheaply made car. Really. Uh you know the 0:17:52.640 --> 0:17:55.200 cold cold winters, those vinyl seats would good crack and 0:17:55.320 --> 0:17:57.359 splinter and you know you had to put seat covers 0:17:57.400 --> 0:17:59.840 on in the summertime, just seat and cut yourself on that. 0:18:00.080 --> 0:18:03.119 But um or stick to them. Really that was another problem. 0:18:03.720 --> 0:18:06.560 Um when you're wearing shorts as a terrible problem with 0:18:06.600 --> 0:18:09.399 final seats. Um and leather too, I guess. But it 0:18:09.520 --> 0:18:11.360 was just a fun vehicle. And uh, I know it's 0:18:11.560 --> 0:18:13.679 a side note that's not meant for everybody, but if 0:18:13.720 --> 0:18:14.960 you ever get a chance to look up in the 0:18:15.000 --> 0:18:17.600 opal man to do it, because um, I just think 0:18:17.640 --> 0:18:19.080 it's a it's an interesting vehicle with a lot of 0:18:19.119 --> 0:18:21.040 people don't have a whole lot of knowledge about now 0:18:21.240 --> 0:18:23.760 and uh um it's kind of a fun thing to 0:18:24.000 --> 0:18:26.399 just check out, you know, looking back. But these engines, 0:18:26.440 --> 0:18:28.600 getting back to them, they're they're a gasoline engine. They're 0:18:28.640 --> 0:18:31.440 not a diesel engine. And the cool thing about this 0:18:31.600 --> 0:18:34.720 is they're they're cast iron block, which you might think, okay, 0:18:34.760 --> 0:18:37.119 cast iron, it's gonna be heavy, but they say it's 0:18:37.160 --> 0:18:40.199 a lightweight cast iron block. UM. I don't know exactly 0:18:40.240 --> 0:18:44.119 how you can call a lightweight a cast iron block lightweight, 0:18:44.160 --> 0:18:46.280 but I suppose because it's only a four cylinder, it's 0:18:46.359 --> 0:18:49.720 relatively small. It does, however, have an aluminum cylinder head, 0:18:49.760 --> 0:18:53.040 and and that's really good. It has a dual leverhead camshafts, 0:18:53.400 --> 0:18:55.520 of course, as you would expect by now and UH 0:18:55.680 --> 0:18:58.560 and four valves per cylinder. Not a whole lot more 0:18:58.680 --> 0:19:01.439 to to say in general all about this car, other than, 0:19:01.680 --> 0:19:03.639 you know, when we get into some of the generations, 0:19:03.680 --> 0:19:06.480 with some going to UM, there's some specifics that we 0:19:06.520 --> 0:19:09.200 need to talk about, you know, later versions of this engine, 0:19:09.240 --> 0:19:11.240 which we'll talk about in in a moment when we 0:19:11.280 --> 0:19:14.440 get to generation three, because there were three total or 0:19:14.480 --> 0:19:18.280 there have been three total. UH. Later generations have a 0:19:18.359 --> 0:19:22.040 variable length intake manifold and also variable valve timing. So 0:19:22.119 --> 0:19:24.120 that's some some modern features that they put in these 0:19:24.200 --> 0:19:27.239 UH these older engines, I suppose, because they did come 0:19:27.240 --> 0:19:30.440 out around n and I think the first vehicle, the 0:19:30.520 --> 0:19:33.959 first one, first generation of the family O Engine. I'm 0:19:33.960 --> 0:19:35.840 gonna keep calling it, oh because I think that's the 0:19:35.960 --> 0:19:40.000 right way. Um came out in a nine Opal Coursa 0:19:40.440 --> 0:19:43.200 and it was available Eiser either as a three cylinder engine, 0:19:43.240 --> 0:19:46.679 which was a one Leader straight three engine, or as 0:19:46.720 --> 0:19:48.679 a four cylinder engine, which was a one point two 0:19:48.760 --> 0:19:52.240 leaders straight four. UM. Now, this was Opal's first three 0:19:52.320 --> 0:19:54.320 cylinder engine two, which makes it kind of unique. So 0:19:54.400 --> 0:19:56.919 that was kind of interesting, I guess in the Family 0:19:57.000 --> 0:20:00.200 O engine history. From there it was it was I 0:20:00.240 --> 0:20:02.560 don't know, several years up until about two thousand two 0:20:02.640 --> 0:20:06.399 when they launched the generation to family Oh uh, Family 0:20:06.480 --> 0:20:09.480 O engine and this one this wasn't of course, it 0:20:09.560 --> 0:20:12.840 was an updated engine that featured something called twin ports technology. 0:20:12.920 --> 0:20:15.960 Now that twin it was actually twin intake ports with 0:20:16.080 --> 0:20:18.320 a choke closing one of the ports at low rpm, 0:20:18.359 --> 0:20:20.000 which gave it a kind of like a strong air 0:20:20.160 --> 0:20:23.960 swirl pattern for higher torque levels and better fuel economy. 0:20:24.080 --> 0:20:27.440 So it had a couple of decent benefits and uh um, 0:20:27.840 --> 0:20:30.200 of course you know it's also later, I guess the 0:20:30.240 --> 0:20:33.840 crankshaft and oil galleries were redesigned to um um kind 0:20:33.880 --> 0:20:35.960 of lower the power loss that was resulting from that, 0:20:36.200 --> 0:20:38.800 and of course again increased fuel economy. It was all 0:20:38.800 --> 0:20:41.720 about increasing fuel economy and still is really uh, they're 0:20:41.720 --> 0:20:43.280 still trying to do that, but you know, these are 0:20:43.480 --> 0:20:45.879 these are just like small little additions to these engines 0:20:45.920 --> 0:20:48.720 as we as we grow or as they grow. Here. Um, 0:20:48.920 --> 0:20:51.040 the next one is called the Eco Flex engine and 0:20:51.119 --> 0:20:53.840 that's Generation three and this was introduced in two thousand eight, 0:20:54.280 --> 0:20:55.879 and I believe that that is the one that is 0:20:55.920 --> 0:21:00.320 in the current vander Hall vander Hall Speedster. It's version 0:21:00.359 --> 0:21:02.359 of the twin Port which has been tuned for better 0:21:02.440 --> 0:21:05.640 fuel economy and even lower emissions. And it was introduced 0:21:05.640 --> 0:21:08.040 again in two thousand and eight as a and there 0:21:08.119 --> 0:21:10.520 was a one leader engine in two thousand ten, but 0:21:10.640 --> 0:21:13.840 for model year two thousand twelve, the Equo Flex engines 0:21:14.160 --> 0:21:17.480 were updated with double cam phasing in this Gen three 0:21:17.520 --> 0:21:20.600 block and of course, you know, again better fuel economy, 0:21:20.800 --> 0:21:23.720 lower emissions, that was the goal there. These were used 0:21:23.760 --> 0:21:26.320 and I guess you can probably you can probably picture 0:21:26.359 --> 0:21:28.000 some of the cars that these engines were used in 0:21:28.119 --> 0:21:30.480 or the types of engines. Uh. They were used in 0:21:30.640 --> 0:21:34.320 what GM called its Delta two platform, and this was 0:21:34.400 --> 0:21:37.720 like the Cavalier the Vault, the Cruise UM in the 0:21:37.920 --> 0:21:40.040 opal line I believe is the opal Astra, and there 0:21:40.080 --> 0:21:42.160 were others as along the way as well. But these 0:21:42.200 --> 0:21:44.440 were a turbo charged version of the one point four 0:21:44.520 --> 0:21:46.720 Leader engine. And these are the ones I believe that 0:21:46.800 --> 0:21:49.359 are used again in the vent of Speedster and probably 0:21:49.440 --> 0:21:52.480 models going forward for a while. UM. But they were 0:21:52.880 --> 0:21:55.320 UM or they do they are I should say, uh, 0:21:55.440 --> 0:21:59.280 double variable cam phasing engines. And again I believe the 0:21:59.320 --> 0:22:01.560 speeds are uses one of these turbo charged engines. So 0:22:02.320 --> 0:22:04.360 that is one of the benefits of this. Now, if 0:22:04.400 --> 0:22:07.000 you want to look up information about the Family Zero 0:22:07.160 --> 0:22:09.560 as they call it, or Family oh Uh, you can 0:22:09.600 --> 0:22:12.040 do a simple keyword search and find out all the uh, 0:22:12.480 --> 0:22:14.920 all the information about these the cast iron block, you know, 0:22:15.040 --> 0:22:17.160 the the aluminum head material. You can find out all 0:22:17.240 --> 0:22:19.399 the displacements that they had along the way, you know, 0:22:19.520 --> 0:22:21.840 the the changes throughout there. That's just kind of a 0:22:21.880 --> 0:22:24.320 brief history, and you know, I think that might be 0:22:24.400 --> 0:22:26.160 all I really have to say about the engines other 0:22:26.240 --> 0:22:27.840 than you know, maybe we'll mention them here when we 0:22:27.920 --> 0:22:30.800 get to some of the Vanderholt models. And and I 0:22:30.880 --> 0:22:33.520 want to describe to you several of these models, you know, 0:22:33.600 --> 0:22:36.320 the pricing and uh, just you know some of what 0:22:36.480 --> 0:22:38.680 makes them unique and interesting and and we'll do that 0:22:39.160 --> 0:22:45.400 after we take another word from our sponsor, and we're 0:22:45.440 --> 0:22:47.440 back and you're listening to the fast Track, and I'm 0:22:47.440 --> 0:22:49.480 your host, Scott Benjamin, and I think that just before 0:22:49.560 --> 0:22:51.080 the break, we were saying that we wanted to talk 0:22:51.119 --> 0:22:53.399 about the models and uh, and that's what I'd love 0:22:53.480 --> 0:22:56.320 to do. Now we've kind of discussed the Laguna a 0:22:56.400 --> 0:22:58.840 little more at length, uh than I thought we would 0:22:58.920 --> 0:23:00.920 buy this by this point in episode. But I do 0:23:01.040 --> 0:23:03.399 wanted to. I do want to bring back the idea 0:23:03.520 --> 0:23:06.520 that the Laguna was kind of this this flagship model. 0:23:06.560 --> 0:23:09.560 It was released in two thousands sixteen again and I 0:23:09.600 --> 0:23:11.680 did have this hand laid carbon fiber body and it 0:23:11.760 --> 0:23:15.199 had other patented components to which included a non welded 0:23:15.240 --> 0:23:18.600 cross hatch front grill and something called a tabin slot 0:23:18.680 --> 0:23:21.719 aluminum monocoque chassis. Now that's pretty interesting. I think they 0:23:21.760 --> 0:23:23.680 I want to say that they stuck with that monocoque 0:23:23.720 --> 0:23:27.200 chassis uh throughout the lineup, but it doesn't specifically call 0:23:27.280 --> 0:23:29.240 that out yet, so UM, I'll have to take a 0:23:29.280 --> 0:23:32.080 look through the vehicle specs on the website and and 0:23:32.200 --> 0:23:36.399 check that out for you. But um again, they started 0:23:36.440 --> 0:23:39.120 to release new vehicles as as time progress. Of course, 0:23:39.200 --> 0:23:41.720 as most manufacturers would, in these boutique manufacturers, they have 0:23:41.760 --> 0:23:43.960 to kind of keep up with what people want, and 0:23:44.040 --> 0:23:47.399 in they came up with something called the vander Hall Venice. 0:23:47.480 --> 0:23:50.000 Now that the Venice is a little bit different. There 0:23:50.040 --> 0:23:52.680 are no doors on the Venice. It's a like a 0:23:52.760 --> 0:23:55.479 step over belt line vehicle. So you can understand how 0:23:55.640 --> 0:23:58.760 low these cars are to the ground. They're they're extremely low. Um, 0:23:58.960 --> 0:24:00.920 even if you're not a very all person, they still 0:24:00.920 --> 0:24:02.439 seem pretty low. You're able to get in and out 0:24:02.480 --> 0:24:05.359 of them pretty easy from what I understand. Um. Again, 0:24:05.960 --> 0:24:08.960 it has this uh, this GM UH four cylinder engine. 0:24:09.000 --> 0:24:11.000 This is where they discussed the the Love engine and 0:24:11.040 --> 0:24:13.840 the LUV version of the engine and uh, you know 0:24:14.000 --> 0:24:18.359 that's GM's family of one point four leader turbo charged engines. Uh. 0:24:18.440 --> 0:24:20.720 It's a hundred and eighty horsepower version of that of that, 0:24:21.000 --> 0:24:23.879 and again made it to a GM six ft automatic transmission. 0:24:24.240 --> 0:24:26.800 And it does have um something that I don't know 0:24:26.840 --> 0:24:29.600 if we've even discussed this other than just mentioning briefly 0:24:29.640 --> 0:24:32.760 at the beginning. UM, it does have this optional sequential 0:24:32.880 --> 0:24:35.080 manual shifting option that you can you can add on 0:24:35.480 --> 0:24:37.840 and I believe that is uh that's a left handed 0:24:37.920 --> 0:24:39.800 operated thing. And it's up kind of on the sill 0:24:39.920 --> 0:24:42.000 of the vehicle, like where you would step over to 0:24:42.040 --> 0:24:44.480 get into the car. And it's just kind of a 0:24:44.520 --> 0:24:47.600 bump shifter. It's an up down almost like uh gosh, 0:24:47.680 --> 0:24:49.960 I'm trying to think of the uh, the brand names 0:24:50.000 --> 0:24:51.960 of these things, but you know, like the the the 0:24:52.080 --> 0:24:54.920 bump shift, the UM auto stick or whatever you want 0:24:54.920 --> 0:24:56.720 to call it, where you just you push you know, 0:24:56.880 --> 0:25:00.239 forward for you know, up shift and backward for down shift. UM. 0:25:00.400 --> 0:25:02.639 It's kind of a sequential thing. But it's not exactly 0:25:02.800 --> 0:25:05.359 that way. Uh, not not like you'd find on a 0:25:05.760 --> 0:25:08.200 like a on on a motorcycle, but but very close 0:25:08.320 --> 0:25:11.280 something similar. Uh. The next line, Our next vehicle that 0:25:11.320 --> 0:25:13.600 they came out with was something called the Edison Squared 0:25:13.720 --> 0:25:17.080 or Edison two vehicle. And uh, the Edison two or 0:25:17.200 --> 0:25:20.560 Edison Squared came out in two thousands seventeen, and they 0:25:20.680 --> 0:25:23.880 previewed this one at the Long Beach International Motorcycle Show, 0:25:23.920 --> 0:25:27.080 which makes sense because it is an autocycle, and there 0:25:27.119 --> 0:25:29.600 were a lot of fans of motorcycles that are interested 0:25:29.640 --> 0:25:32.600 in autocycles as well. But they also brought it to 0:25:32.800 --> 0:25:36.480 the Consumer Electronics Show where CS that was happening out 0:25:36.480 --> 0:25:38.399 in Las Vegas. So if you happen to go to 0:25:38.480 --> 0:25:40.800 that show, you might be familiar with the Edison too. 0:25:41.240 --> 0:25:44.720 And what makes this model different, this model year Edison 0:25:44.800 --> 0:25:47.760 two different is that it has the equivalent of a 0:25:47.840 --> 0:25:50.880 hundred night total horsepower, but it doesn't. It doesn't essentially 0:25:51.000 --> 0:25:53.240 have a hundred eighty horsepow. I'll tell you why. You 0:25:53.280 --> 0:25:55.879 might have already guessed this. It has twin electric motors, 0:25:55.960 --> 0:25:58.560 so this is an all electric version. It was matched 0:25:58.600 --> 0:26:01.280 with a thirty killer wat our battery, which gave it 0:26:01.400 --> 0:26:04.679 a two hundred mile range, which is actually not bad. Uh, 0:26:04.760 --> 0:26:08.000 that's a pretty decent range for any electric vehicle. I mean, 0:26:08.119 --> 0:26:11.120 some of the the upper end Tesla models are getting 0:26:11.160 --> 0:26:13.520 like three and fifty miles or three miles depending on 0:26:13.640 --> 0:26:15.800 you know which version you get um and I know 0:26:15.960 --> 0:26:18.240 that they're always extending that, so maybe even farther at 0:26:18.280 --> 0:26:20.200 this point, but two hundred mile range out of something 0:26:20.320 --> 0:26:23.000 like this, I think is is pretty decent. Pretty good. 0:26:23.200 --> 0:26:26.800 And then in two thousand and seventeen this is this 0:26:26.960 --> 0:26:29.159 is where I kind of kind of came in contact 0:26:29.200 --> 0:26:30.840 with us for the first time. I hadn't really heard 0:26:30.840 --> 0:26:34.240 of it in all the way through about eighteen when 0:26:34.520 --> 0:26:36.960 they developed something called the Venice Speedster, and that is 0:26:37.080 --> 0:26:40.240 ah um, I believe that's where I saw it um 0:26:41.040 --> 0:26:43.480 on the j Lenos, the jay Lenos garage, and I 0:26:43.520 --> 0:26:45.920 think that's the that's the one this actually came out in. 0:26:46.280 --> 0:26:50.280 Uh says, I don't know if it's a ten or 0:26:50.280 --> 0:26:52.960 twenty nineteen model. I think it's a twenty nineteen model year. 0:26:53.680 --> 0:26:57.560 But they announced this back in August at the Surgis Rally, 0:26:57.640 --> 0:26:59.919 which was happening in South Dakota. Of course we all 0:27:00.000 --> 0:27:03.320 know when Sturgis happens at the motorcycle Rally. But the 0:27:04.160 --> 0:27:08.240 Venice Speedster is kind of like a a minimalist version 0:27:08.480 --> 0:27:12.400 of the Venice from seventeen. So think about think about 0:27:12.520 --> 0:27:14.960 taking even what you know about the Venice with you know, 0:27:15.000 --> 0:27:17.520 the car with no doors and uh, you know, very 0:27:17.640 --> 0:27:21.440 very pared down vehicle already they've even made it less 0:27:21.600 --> 0:27:23.920 than that. And and by less in some cases I 0:27:24.000 --> 0:27:26.159 mean more, because to me, this is one of the 0:27:26.240 --> 0:27:29.080 cooler things. Um. Okay, first of all, it shares that 0:27:29.160 --> 0:27:31.280 at one point four leader D eight horsepower engine and 0:27:31.320 --> 0:27:35.360 the six speed automatic. However, it's a single seat sports car. 0:27:35.600 --> 0:27:38.119 And I love this about this vehicle. The Speedster is 0:27:38.160 --> 0:27:40.399 a single seat car, and it has kind of a 0:27:40.480 --> 0:27:43.040 hard cover over where the passenger would normally sit, and 0:27:43.440 --> 0:27:46.440 that becomes a um, a cargo area, like just a 0:27:46.480 --> 0:27:48.600 little cabin area that you can store stuff. You know, 0:27:48.680 --> 0:27:50.639 you can even I think you can even put They 0:27:50.640 --> 0:27:52.320 always say this, but you can put a golf bag 0:27:52.400 --> 0:27:53.760 in there if you want to. I don't know. I 0:27:53.800 --> 0:27:55.720 don't know if any people are really carrying their golf 0:27:55.760 --> 0:27:57.960 bag in there, but maybe so. Anyways, you can use 0:27:58.000 --> 0:28:00.399 it for groceries or whatever whatever you want. Uh. You 0:28:00.400 --> 0:28:02.400 could even tuck a small person in there, I suppose, 0:28:02.480 --> 0:28:07.160 but probably not not legal. I just love there's something 0:28:07.200 --> 0:28:10.719 I love about single seat sports cars, single seat race 0:28:10.760 --> 0:28:14.160 cars even and um just just on a quick side note, 0:28:14.200 --> 0:28:15.880 and I won't make much of this because I think 0:28:16.280 --> 0:28:18.639 a lot of returning car stuff listeners already know this, 0:28:18.760 --> 0:28:22.399 but I owned a nineteen sixty six MG. It was 0:28:22.440 --> 0:28:24.440 an arcly bodied MG. It was kind of like a 0:28:24.520 --> 0:28:27.040 midget and it had a tunnel cover a lot like this. 0:28:27.440 --> 0:28:29.560 This is a hardcover, though, but mine was a soft 0:28:29.640 --> 0:28:32.760 cover and you could uncover or you could cover, i 0:28:32.800 --> 0:28:34.679 should say, the convertible part of the whole car if 0:28:34.720 --> 0:28:37.040 you wanted to, for protection from the elements or just uh, 0:28:37.119 --> 0:28:39.520 you know, prying eyes or whatever. You could also just 0:28:39.760 --> 0:28:42.360 unzipped the area around the driver so you could have 0:28:42.520 --> 0:28:46.400 kind of just a driver single cockpit area that you know, 0:28:46.480 --> 0:28:48.760 you could kind of operate underneath this cover. And it 0:28:48.880 --> 0:28:51.680 was really really cool. I just love driving around like that. 0:28:51.800 --> 0:28:53.520 It was just there was something about it. There was 0:28:53.600 --> 0:28:56.320 so much fun. Uh that you know, everybody knew there 0:28:56.360 --> 0:28:58.920 was another seat under there, but it sure looked like 0:28:59.000 --> 0:29:00.880 a one seater, you know to me, and it felt 0:29:00.920 --> 0:29:02.280 like a one seater and I thought it was. It 0:29:02.360 --> 0:29:05.080 was pretty cool. Um. Anyway, let's move on to the 0:29:05.160 --> 0:29:07.920 next one. And uh, and I'm not gonna mispronounce this. 0:29:08.040 --> 0:29:11.040 This is that this is a model called the Caramel 0:29:11.360 --> 0:29:13.360 and it's c A R M E L. It's caramel. 0:29:13.440 --> 0:29:15.960 It's not caramel like the like the candy. And I 0:29:16.280 --> 0:29:18.240 did look this up because I was curious about this. 0:29:18.400 --> 0:29:21.000 So just for those of you that are curious, as 0:29:21.080 --> 0:29:24.920 I was caramel. Um, if you know, if you spell 0:29:24.960 --> 0:29:26.960 it that way with an A in the middle, that 0:29:27.160 --> 0:29:30.280 is for food or colors only. It's if it's caramel 0:29:30.400 --> 0:29:31.880 with no A in the middle, it's c A R 0:29:31.960 --> 0:29:34.960 M E L. Like this car is. Um, it's only 0:29:35.040 --> 0:29:37.680 misspelled if you use it for food and colors. But 0:29:38.000 --> 0:29:40.560 it's also correct. It's spelled correctly if you use it 0:29:40.640 --> 0:29:43.760 for people or places. And UM, I would guess things 0:29:43.920 --> 0:29:46.920 this this vehicle is a thing, and uh, it's it's 0:29:46.960 --> 0:29:52.040 definitely a caramel and the caramel has more luxury, more 0:29:52.080 --> 0:29:54.200 convenience features added to it. So if you're looking for 0:29:54.240 --> 0:29:57.320 a kind of the top end vander Holt model, this 0:29:57.480 --> 0:29:59.440 is supposedly coming out in twenty nineteen. I don't know 0:29:59.440 --> 0:30:01.240 if it already ha as or not. Again, the website 0:30:01.320 --> 0:30:03.960 is saying coming soon, I believe, or actually you know what, 0:30:04.000 --> 0:30:06.840 I'm sorry, it's already been updated. Um, it is already 0:30:06.880 --> 0:30:09.959 out there. So I had misspoken before, but no worries. UM, 0:30:10.200 --> 0:30:12.240 check out the website and you'll see it there. Um. 0:30:12.400 --> 0:30:15.280 It has things like you know, wider it what has 0:30:15.320 --> 0:30:18.880 front entry doors, It has a wider cabin um it 0:30:18.960 --> 0:30:22.560 has provisions to accommodate removable canvas top like you know, 0:30:22.680 --> 0:30:24.959 for a sunshade if you want, which is something kind 0:30:25.000 --> 0:30:28.080 of unique. I believe the Laguna had something similar to 0:30:28.200 --> 0:30:31.320 that as well back in uh when that was launched. 0:30:32.160 --> 0:30:34.480 But again this one has just a little bit more 0:30:34.840 --> 0:30:36.960 to it, and with that you can also get a 0:30:37.080 --> 0:30:40.400 different engine. This one has a two horsepower GM one 0:30:40.480 --> 0:30:43.400 point five leader turbo charged engine. Again a four cylinder engine, 0:30:43.760 --> 0:30:46.600 six ft automatic transmission and uh, you know all that. 0:30:46.720 --> 0:30:49.240 I I think I want to say that this is 0:30:49.360 --> 0:30:53.320 the the GM SGE Engines, which stands for of all 0:30:53.400 --> 0:30:56.160 things SGE Small gasolene Engine. I don't know why they 0:30:56.160 --> 0:30:58.800 couldn't get more creative with their engine naming than that, 0:30:59.000 --> 0:31:01.880 but um it's the SGE family of engines, and I 0:31:02.160 --> 0:31:06.000 believe it was um developed by several companies including um 0:31:06.080 --> 0:31:09.280 OPAL and MG and Shanghai GM, and just there's a 0:31:09.320 --> 0:31:12.560 whole grouping of people that are companies rather that got 0:31:12.640 --> 0:31:15.200 together to create the s G E and I think 0:31:15.280 --> 0:31:17.600 that's the one. Again, it's a two horsepower versions. So 0:31:17.640 --> 0:31:19.680 if you're looking for a little bit more power and 0:31:19.840 --> 0:31:22.959 more luxury options, if you want to put it that way. UM, 0:31:23.640 --> 0:31:26.560 the Caramel is your vehicle when you're looking at the 0:31:26.640 --> 0:31:30.320 vander Hall lineup, and UM, I do have a copy 0:31:30.440 --> 0:31:32.560 here in front of me, and I promise we're almost done, folks. 0:31:32.600 --> 0:31:34.960 But I really think the best way for you to 0:31:35.560 --> 0:31:37.800 get an understanding of what these things look like, UM, 0:31:38.000 --> 0:31:39.959 if you really want to, UM, you know, check them 0:31:40.000 --> 0:31:42.560 out and get some more I don't know, I guess 0:31:42.600 --> 0:31:45.080 some more detail on on what you're beginning for your money. 0:31:45.080 --> 0:31:47.000 And I'll tell you about the money right now. UM. 0:31:47.720 --> 0:31:50.320 Check out the website and go to the models tab 0:31:50.760 --> 0:31:52.560 and you can find out exactly what they're all about. 0:31:52.640 --> 0:31:54.800 And I'll tell you which ones are the least expensive 0:31:54.800 --> 0:31:56.800 options on this list and the and the most expensive 0:31:56.800 --> 0:31:58.440 as we get to them. But they have they offer 0:31:58.560 --> 0:32:02.000 a full line of UM Venice vehicles. I don't believe 0:32:02.000 --> 0:32:04.480 they're still offering the Laguna model. I think that is 0:32:04.560 --> 0:32:07.320 sold out. That's kind of done. That's a concluded model. 0:32:07.360 --> 0:32:09.280 But they've moved on to the Venice. And in the 0:32:09.400 --> 0:32:12.800 Venice you can get the standard Venice, which, uh, here's 0:32:12.800 --> 0:32:16.240 the bad news. The prices start from about twenty nine thousand, 0:32:16.360 --> 0:32:19.360 nine fifty dollars, so that's about a thirty thousand dollar toy, 0:32:19.760 --> 0:32:21.840 do you want to put it that way. The least 0:32:21.880 --> 0:32:25.240 expensive vehicle on the lineup is actually the the Venice 0:32:25.280 --> 0:32:27.440 Speedster that's single seater that we talked about just a 0:32:27.520 --> 0:32:32.880 moment ago, and that one is is based starting at fifties, 0:32:32.920 --> 0:32:35.320 so around twenty seven thousand dollars if you want to 0:32:35.360 --> 0:32:38.880 get into the Venice Speedster, and personally right now, out 0:32:38.880 --> 0:32:41.600 of all the vehicles in that lineup, just my two cents, 0:32:42.440 --> 0:32:44.400 the Venice Speedster is probably one of the coolest looking 0:32:44.480 --> 0:32:48.040 ones there at this point. Um. Then there's a couple, actually, 0:32:48.040 --> 0:32:50.080 there's a couple there that might be more interesting in 0:32:50.120 --> 0:32:51.840 the near future though, because there is going to be 0:32:51.960 --> 0:32:55.680 the Venice R and the Venice Speedster R which are 0:32:55.680 --> 0:32:58.160 coming out soon. Of course, are racing. We're talking about that, 0:32:58.320 --> 0:33:03.080 and that's coming in according to the website. The Edison Edison, 0:33:03.280 --> 0:33:04.920 i should say, is the one that we told you about, 0:33:04.920 --> 0:33:07.400 the Edison too, and that one is already out there, 0:33:07.440 --> 0:33:09.760 and that it's a little bit more expensive as as 0:33:09.800 --> 0:33:12.160 we'll find in with a lot of electric vehicles, you know, 0:33:12.200 --> 0:33:14.160 as we talk about some of these faster vehicles that 0:33:14.200 --> 0:33:17.320 are there electric powered um. That one starts the base 0:33:17.400 --> 0:33:20.280 price starts at thirty four nine fifties, so we're talking 0:33:20.360 --> 0:33:23.200 just under just a thirty five thousand dollars if you 0:33:23.240 --> 0:33:26.240 want to get an electric version of the of the 0:33:26.480 --> 0:33:29.719 vander Hall. Uh. There's something called the Edison four coming up. Now, 0:33:29.840 --> 0:33:32.920 that's why I've been saying Edison too instead of Edison squared. Uh. 0:33:33.040 --> 0:33:35.360 The Edison four is coming out and that should be 0:33:35.440 --> 0:33:38.320 in as well, and I would guess another little price 0:33:38.400 --> 0:33:39.920 bump for that one, if I if I had to 0:33:39.960 --> 0:33:43.400 guess now to date, as we just discussed, the Caramel, 0:33:43.560 --> 0:33:46.560 as you can imagine, is the the most expensive option 0:33:46.760 --> 0:33:49.160 on the on the model's list here, and that one 0:33:49.320 --> 0:33:53.240 begins the prices start around thirty So you're talking about 0:33:53.280 --> 0:33:57.960 again a forty thou dollar car um for something that 0:33:58.720 --> 0:34:01.040 wouldn't necessarily be good for commuting, but it might be 0:34:01.120 --> 0:34:02.680 a heck of a lot of fun for you to own. 0:34:03.200 --> 0:34:05.600 And Uh, I would really I would really love to 0:34:05.680 --> 0:34:07.120 just get some seat time in one of these, just 0:34:07.160 --> 0:34:12.480 to see what they're all about. You know, I'll tell you, Um, 0:34:12.600 --> 0:34:14.000 I don't know, if I have a whole lot of 0:34:14.040 --> 0:34:16.359 more information, I do want to conclude with a couple 0:34:16.400 --> 0:34:19.040 of questions here at the end. But first I want 0:34:19.080 --> 0:34:20.880 to let you know how you can contact us or 0:34:21.040 --> 0:34:23.080 how you can you know, reach us and kind of 0:34:23.160 --> 0:34:25.560 keep in touch with what we're doing here or even 0:34:25.600 --> 0:34:27.520 give us a little bit of feedback. We are on 0:34:27.640 --> 0:34:31.239 Twitter we are the fast Track Pod, and on Facebook 0:34:31.280 --> 0:34:34.680 and on Instagram we are the Fast Track Show. Very 0:34:34.719 --> 0:34:36.440 soon we'll have a lot of stuff there for you 0:34:36.520 --> 0:34:39.360 to check out. And uh, I mentioned, you know, just 0:34:39.480 --> 0:34:41.759 in passing that I would like to kind of wrap 0:34:41.880 --> 0:34:44.279 this whole thing up with a question for you. And 0:34:44.560 --> 0:34:47.360 my question is this. You know, UM, I've seen it 0:34:47.400 --> 0:34:49.200 written a lot of places that I've read a lot 0:34:49.280 --> 0:34:52.279 of these reports about this vehicle. And and when we 0:34:52.360 --> 0:34:56.160 get to talking about the the Venice Speedster, some places 0:34:56.200 --> 0:34:58.200 have said that the Venice Speedster has a problem. And 0:34:58.239 --> 0:35:00.520 that problem is that you know, there's only one seat. 0:35:00.840 --> 0:35:02.800 You know that you can't take anybody with you. You 0:35:02.920 --> 0:35:05.759 can't you know, for your money, you're you're getting just 0:35:06.280 --> 0:35:10.160 transportation for one instead of transportation for potentially to um 0:35:10.520 --> 0:35:12.640 no more than two, because there's just no way you can. 0:35:12.719 --> 0:35:15.160 You'll you'll understand when you see the vehicle, UM, but 0:35:15.239 --> 0:35:16.880 I want to know, like, what do you think. I mean, 0:35:16.920 --> 0:35:19.000 do you think that it's a problem that the venice 0:35:19.000 --> 0:35:20.759 speeds there is a single seater or do you do 0:35:20.800 --> 0:35:22.480 you like that? Because I don't think it's a problem. 0:35:22.520 --> 0:35:25.960 I think it's actually a benefit. If you want that car. Uh, 0:35:26.239 --> 0:35:28.600 if you want that that type of vehicle, I should say, 0:35:29.239 --> 0:35:31.200 by that type of vehicle, if you want a single seater, 0:35:31.280 --> 0:35:33.360 I mean you have to have some some foresight and 0:35:33.400 --> 0:35:35.759 you know, understanding. You know, Okay, maybe I don't want 0:35:35.800 --> 0:35:37.160 to have somebody with me all the time, or I 0:35:37.200 --> 0:35:39.320 want to take this thing to the racetrack and and 0:35:39.480 --> 0:35:41.600 use it, you know, in in club events or you 0:35:41.640 --> 0:35:44.960 know whatever. Um, I don't see this as a problem, really, 0:35:45.000 --> 0:35:46.160 I see it it kind of as a as a 0:35:46.239 --> 0:35:48.920 benefit in some way. Some of the other models have 0:35:49.040 --> 0:35:52.640 some benefits of as well, and some some downsides I think. So, Um, 0:35:52.719 --> 0:35:54.880 I'd love to hear from anybody out there that has 0:35:54.920 --> 0:35:57.719 an opinion on that, and uh and also just kind 0:35:57.719 --> 0:35:59.400 of you know, right to me and and let me 0:35:59.440 --> 0:36:00.759 know what you think of the show so far. I 0:36:00.880 --> 0:36:02.960 know that it's a lot like car stuff, but we're 0:36:02.960 --> 0:36:05.640 gonna have a much more narrowed focus in that we're 0:36:05.640 --> 0:36:07.960 gonna try to stick to fast things and fast cars 0:36:08.040 --> 0:36:10.640 and fast people and you know, all the technology and 0:36:10.719 --> 0:36:13.239 engineering and all that fun stuff that that makes us 0:36:13.280 --> 0:36:16.480 go fast, rather than you know, having the broad scope 0:36:16.520 --> 0:36:18.839 of car stuff. So if you like that idea, let 0:36:18.880 --> 0:36:20.520 me know. I'd like to hear that as well. And 0:36:20.840 --> 0:36:23.440 um gosh, I just want to say thanks to everybody 0:36:23.480 --> 0:36:26.440 who is a car stuff listener, that is has transitioning 0:36:26.520 --> 0:36:29.120 over to listening to this as well or instead, I 0:36:29.200 --> 0:36:31.800 don't know. Um, and anybody's a brand new listener, I 0:36:31.840 --> 0:36:34.399 just want to welcome you to and uh and again 0:36:34.440 --> 0:36:35.840 I just want to say thanks for listening.