WEBVTT - ATS REPLAY: Magic Johnson | ALL THE SMOKE

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<v Speaker 1>So listen, we got to rule it all the smoke.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a little different than other shows. Jack, what you're drinking?

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<v Speaker 1>Bite them in water? All right? All right, want to

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<v Speaker 1>make sure it ain't no vodka in there. So we

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<v Speaker 1>got some different rules here. So if your phone goes off, Jack,

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<v Speaker 1>what they gotta do?

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<v Speaker 2>You have to do cush.

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<v Speaker 3>Ups, my brother, Please explain to them what cush ups.

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<v Speaker 1>So cushup is you have to put a joint in

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<v Speaker 1>your mouth and do ten push ups with it in hell,

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<v Speaker 1>exit in hell, ex heal. So we tell everyone that

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<v Speaker 1>just to make sure you turn your phones off. We

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<v Speaker 1>want to make sure we have.

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<v Speaker 4>A great trust me we don't run out of tree.

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<v Speaker 2>You will cush about a whole backpack full of it.

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<v Speaker 1>So we'll we're gonna make sure if you don't smoke,

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<v Speaker 1>and make sure your phone don go off because you're

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<v Speaker 1>gonna have to smoke.

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<v Speaker 2>All right.

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<v Speaker 1>So we here man Man closing out twenty twenty two.

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<v Speaker 1>It's been a obviously I'm sure you guys see, my

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<v Speaker 1>brother Jack lost his youngest brother, Snap Marley, so this

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<v Speaker 1>show is dedicated to him. We want to make sure

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<v Speaker 1>we continue to wrap Jackson, one of the most loving

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<v Speaker 1>people I've ever met. Jack and I started playing together

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<v Speaker 1>in two thousand and seven, made NBA history, the first

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<v Speaker 1>number eight seed to beat in the Mavericks, the number

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<v Speaker 1>one seed at the time. The following the very beginning

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<v Speaker 1>of the following season, my mom died from cancer within

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<v Speaker 1>twenty six days, and Jack was the one person daily

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<v Speaker 1>that was calling me, come to smoke with me, bringing

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<v Speaker 1>me food, checking on me. So for then, we built

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<v Speaker 1>a brotherhood that will never be broken. And I just

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<v Speaker 1>want everyone to make sure they send their love and

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<v Speaker 1>their prayers out to him and his family right now,

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<v Speaker 1>obviously going through a hard time, and I appreciate you

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<v Speaker 1>making your.

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<v Speaker 2>Way out here.

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<v Speaker 1>I got to do, man. I don't really think he

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<v Speaker 1>needs an introduction. I mean, what can we say about

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<v Speaker 1>this guy. I mean, legendary basketball player, legendary businessman, a leader,

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<v Speaker 1>a pillar in the community, someone that made a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of us fall in love with basketball at a young age. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, Magic was the big guard that you know

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of us aspire to be like on and

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<v Speaker 1>off the court.

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<v Speaker 4>The only reason I bought converse, really yeah, I feel he.

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<v Speaker 1>Had a purple goal, right, I feel you, he said,

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<v Speaker 1>the only reason. But again, let's welcome to the show.

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<v Speaker 1>Magic Johnson.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm a stand up I'm stand up, stand up, unstand

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<v Speaker 4>I understand up.

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<v Speaker 1>So Magic, first and foremost, thank you because I know

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<v Speaker 1>you're one of the busiest men in the in the

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<v Speaker 1>industry and to give us one of your evenings. We

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<v Speaker 1>definitely appreciate you for coming out tonight.

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<v Speaker 2>Now I want to congratulate both of you on your show.

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<v Speaker 2>It's amazing and also, you know, my prayers go out

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<v Speaker 2>to you, brother, and I'm so proud of both of you,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, for where you're taking your brand. This show

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<v Speaker 2>is amazing. And have two black men up here doing

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<v Speaker 2>their thing and then have me sitting here, come on,

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<v Speaker 2>it's a blessing.

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<v Speaker 1>And then DJ the building. We couldn't make it more

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<v Speaker 1>la for you guys got Magic Johnson and DJ Quick.

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<v Speaker 1>So I mean, we hope you guys enjoy the night man,

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<v Speaker 1>because we're really excited.

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<v Speaker 2>How's life day to day? What's going on with you

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<v Speaker 2>right now? Everything is going good? I mean, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>close out the year strong. We had an unbelievable year

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<v Speaker 2>as far as my company is concerned. And then health wise,

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<v Speaker 2>everything's good. The wife is good, the kids are good.

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<v Speaker 2>So it's been truly a blessing.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, Magic, I'm gonna cut the bullshit and get

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<v Speaker 1>right to it. How come me and my girl come

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<v Speaker 1>on the yacht for five weeks in the summer time?

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<v Speaker 4>This year?

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<v Speaker 1>We see magic everybody Magic jumpers on his yacht, miss

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<v Speaker 1>and Wayne's going on walks on his yod Oh my god, damn,

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<v Speaker 1>I thing must be.

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<v Speaker 2>So you got right too. I'm gonna play with your magic.

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<v Speaker 1>We're gonna talk after about that, not for goot to

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<v Speaker 1>make a trip. So so, Lebron is in a unique situation.

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<v Speaker 3>Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>He just passed you on the all time assist lead

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<v Speaker 1>uh list, and there's a possibility he can pass Kareem

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<v Speaker 1>in the same year. Can you explain obviously the historical significance,

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<v Speaker 1>but the accomplishment as it is for someone who is

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<v Speaker 1>you know, I think a lot of you, He's got

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of you and him. But what kind accomplishment

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<v Speaker 1>is to pass you in the assist lead? And although

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<v Speaker 1>we'll talk about it later, if you would have got

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<v Speaker 1>a full run, I think you would have put the

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<v Speaker 1>assist bar so high that no one could even sniff it.

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<v Speaker 1>But just Lebron's greatness and the longevity of Lebron.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I think that's that's the key, right, He's been

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<v Speaker 2>doing it since eighteen years old and at a high level,

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<v Speaker 2>and still even today, still playing at that high level.

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<v Speaker 2>But what I really love about Lebron is his basketball

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<v Speaker 2>IQ and the fact that he makes his teammates better, right,

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<v Speaker 2>and he puts them on his back and he can

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<v Speaker 2>will his team to victory, both whether he's scoring or

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<v Speaker 2>his passing ability and then rebounding as well. And he's

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<v Speaker 2>always been committed to taking care of his body most important,

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<v Speaker 2>and that's why he's been able to play this long

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<v Speaker 2>and his impact will be felt long after he's gone, Right.

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<v Speaker 2>It's only a few guys who have played this game

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<v Speaker 2>that still have a major impact long after their career,

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<v Speaker 2>and Lebron will be one of those guys. And so

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<v Speaker 2>I'm proud of him because also too, he's built not

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<v Speaker 2>only his brand on the court, but he's built the

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<v Speaker 2>brand off the court. He's brought his guys along with him,

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<v Speaker 2>Rich Paul and Maverick, and they've done a wonderful job

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<v Speaker 2>with his business and so and he always lend his voice,

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<v Speaker 2>especially to causes that affect whether it's athletes or the

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<v Speaker 2>black community. He always stands up and tell people what's

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<v Speaker 2>right or wrong, or what they're doing, what we should

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<v Speaker 2>be doing to affect change in our community. You gotta

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<v Speaker 2>respect that. For most guys, that's the face of the league.

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<v Speaker 2>Don't even dare to jump in that category.

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<v Speaker 1>He want us too hot.

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<v Speaker 2>No, they always worry about their brand or they're gonna

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<v Speaker 2>lose endorsements or what people gonna say, and so he's

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<v Speaker 2>never been affected by those things.

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<v Speaker 1>Front Office twenty seventeen to twenty nineteen. You stepped away

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<v Speaker 1>obvious because I've heard you speak that you felt like

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<v Speaker 1>you didn't have the power you needed to really make

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<v Speaker 1>the moves you wanted to move make. But you said

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<v Speaker 1>you had a few regrets about the way you left.

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<v Speaker 1>Can you speak to those regrets and what they were?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you know, I had convinced Lebron to sign with

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<v Speaker 2>the Lakers, had a great conversation. How did you do that? Though?

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<v Speaker 1>So what's the secret?

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<v Speaker 2>Especially after we were losing? When I took over the Lakers,

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<v Speaker 2>I said in two years, Lebron was going to be

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<v Speaker 2>a free agent. We were well over the salary cap,

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<v Speaker 2>so I had to get us up under the salary cap.

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<v Speaker 2>By trading a couple guys, and so I knew when

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<v Speaker 2>I had that meeting with him and Rich Paul here

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<v Speaker 2>in Los Angeles, I knew what he wanted, right. I

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<v Speaker 2>knew he wanted to win number one, but number two.

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<v Speaker 2>I knew los Angeles he could live and live free,

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<v Speaker 2>and drive around and live a life that he wanted

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<v Speaker 2>to live that he couldn't live in Cleveland, right or

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<v Speaker 2>Miami because everybody's on top of him. And I think

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<v Speaker 2>because we have so many celebrities here, he could fit

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<v Speaker 2>right on end. So I told him, I'm gonna build

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<v Speaker 2>a team that's gonna win a championship, no question about it.

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<v Speaker 2>But also too, he's going to build a billion dollar

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<v Speaker 2>business here off the court because we love our celebrities

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<v Speaker 2>out here, and he bought into it. I said, these

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<v Speaker 2>are the moves I'm going to make. After I signed you,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna go after At that time, I thought it

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<v Speaker 2>was gonna be Kawhi because he was the next free agent.

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<v Speaker 2>The next year, nobody knew that Anthony Davis was going

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<v Speaker 2>to be available for a trade. So I said, I'm

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<v Speaker 2>gonna get you, then I'm gonna get Kawhi. And then we.

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<v Speaker 1>Often because I heard it really came down to the wire.

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<v Speaker 1>You guys literally almost had Kawhi.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, I would have had Kawhi. I would have to

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<v Speaker 2>look when I come in and close the deal. It's listen, man,

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<v Speaker 2>I do my homework, my research, So when I get

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<v Speaker 2>you in that room, so I already know what you want,

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<v Speaker 2>and I'm gonna just lay it out to you. Right

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<v Speaker 2>And so I knew what Lebron wanted. I laid it

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<v Speaker 2>out to him. He bought into it. I would have

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<v Speaker 2>known what Kawhi wanted. I would have laid it out

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<v Speaker 2>to him as well. And then we're gonna go in

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<v Speaker 2>and win.

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<v Speaker 1>And can you imagine can you imagine Lebron, A D

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<v Speaker 1>and Kawhi. That's like cut it out.

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<v Speaker 4>I understanding him giving a pitch to come this team.

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<v Speaker 1>That's fun. I'm talking to Magic. I'm just signing like

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<v Speaker 1>I could all hear you talking, gonna talk to me.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm in. Let me get some of that business with you,

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<v Speaker 2>and I signed anything.

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<v Speaker 4>Lansing, Michigan, six siblings. I know what it's like having

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<v Speaker 4>mother and father work hard jobs just to just to

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<v Speaker 4>give you an opportunity to be great. That's right, talk

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<v Speaker 4>about growing up a Lansing.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, my father worked for General Motors for thirty years.

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<v Speaker 2>He won an award for never missing a day and

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<v Speaker 2>never being late. So I was I'm bill just like

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<v Speaker 2>it right, same thing because you know that because you

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<v Speaker 2>know they say cep time of mother.

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<v Speaker 3>I know we got our all time, so brother will

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<v Speaker 3>be on time forget.

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<v Speaker 2>And to do it for thirty years, right. So my

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<v Speaker 2>mother worked for the school cafeteria, so you know they

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<v Speaker 2>stressed education. You know, they told me, listen, I want

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<v Speaker 2>you to be great on that basketball court, but I

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<v Speaker 2>want you to be smart. So you got to get

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<v Speaker 2>the grades. If you don't get those grades, you can't pluck.

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<v Speaker 2>So I made sure that I applied myself in the books.

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<v Speaker 2>But also at the same time, when you have that

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<v Speaker 2>many siblings, man, it was a trip, right. Everybody else

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<v Speaker 2>had a bike in the neighborhood and I wanted to bike,

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<v Speaker 2>and my father was like, because if I buy one,

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<v Speaker 2>I got to bikeybody.

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<v Speaker 1>Everybody I got six kids too, may be sharing. You

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<v Speaker 1>don't have the bike on Monday Tuesday exactly, even if.

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<v Speaker 2>I got to change the seat color, make it their

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<v Speaker 2>b But I tell you what he did to me, man,

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<v Speaker 2>he said, but I think I got something that can

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<v Speaker 2>help you get a bike. So let me take you

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<v Speaker 2>out to the garage right quick. So he took me

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<v Speaker 2>out to the garage and he said, let me introduce

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<v Speaker 2>you to three people you need to meet. I said, okay, cool,

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<v Speaker 2>that's mister Linemore, that's mister Ray, and that's mister Shepard.

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<v Speaker 2>Now pick one of them tunes up and go make

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<v Speaker 2>you some money and buy you a bike. And sure enough,

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<v Speaker 2>that's what I did. That's great game. And so my

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<v Speaker 2>father always stretched to me. Anything I was going to

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<v Speaker 2>achieve in life, I was gonna have to work for it.

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<v Speaker 2>So I'm a worker, man. I love the work. I

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<v Speaker 2>go to bed early, like this is late for me.

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<v Speaker 2>So I did this for you guys because I loved

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<v Speaker 2>you guys so much. Right now, Yeah, I'm eight thirty

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<v Speaker 2>and I'm out. I'm up at fourlock every morning. I

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<v Speaker 2>trained for two hours, one with the waste our cardio,

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<v Speaker 2>and then I'm in the office all day. So what

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<v Speaker 2>we have to understand when you want to build a

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<v Speaker 2>successful business, you want to make money when people sleep. See.

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<v Speaker 2>That's what I do. I make money when people sleeping, see,

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<v Speaker 2>And that's what we have to get into and so

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<v Speaker 2>for me, ain't nothing happening good for me at after

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<v Speaker 2>eight thirty. Something may happen good for everybody else, but

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<v Speaker 2>not for me. I'm going to sleep so I can

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<v Speaker 2>get ready for my full day the next day. Ain't

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<v Speaker 2>too much open after eight thirty. I know that line

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<v Speaker 2>just for me. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I grew up.

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<v Speaker 4>There's a guy named Lee Harmesy used to call me

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<v Speaker 4>Young Magic because I was a young kid.

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<v Speaker 2>I used to play with the older kids and.

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<v Speaker 4>I was able to pass at a young age, and

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<v Speaker 4>I had to feel for the game. We had Chauncey Billups,

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<v Speaker 4>we had Jason Kidd come on the show, and they

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<v Speaker 4>all idolize you, just like we did. How does it

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<v Speaker 4>feel for so many players to come up with so

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<v Speaker 4>many legends of the game to say, were it started

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<v Speaker 4>with Magic Johnson in my career?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, it feels great. I mean, I just tried to

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<v Speaker 2>play the game the right way, man, and I love

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<v Speaker 2>passing that basketball, man and having it in my hands.

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<v Speaker 2>I love controlling the action right and so h being

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<v Speaker 2>a leader of every team I played on, the only

0:13:21.679 --> 0:13:23.960
<v Speaker 2>thing I wanted to do, man, was win. That's it.

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<v Speaker 2>That's that's I just wanted to win, and so nothing

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<v Speaker 2>in my life has changed. I still want to win today,

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<v Speaker 2>and I still I'm still the point guard, but I'm

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<v Speaker 2>just the point guard in my company, instarted out on

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<v Speaker 2>the court. But I would say this, I love the game,

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<v Speaker 2>so I played all the time. And I think that

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<v Speaker 2>you and I U s LA. You know, we had

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<v Speaker 2>so many We don't get.

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<v Speaker 1>To the way you used to do us A U

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<v Speaker 1>l A. You're gonna get that a little later.

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<v Speaker 2>But I think those guys are great, and that's why

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<v Speaker 2>I love Jake. Yeah, I love all of them, you know.

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<v Speaker 2>You know Paul used to shoot them jumpers. So but

0:14:08.559 --> 0:14:11.679
<v Speaker 2>you know, it's all about the love now, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>and to it. So you know, when you love the

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<v Speaker 2>game and and that becomes contagious to guys coming behind me,

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<v Speaker 2>that's a blessing and that means that they respect the

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<v Speaker 2>way I played. And then look what happened to those

0:14:27.400 --> 0:14:30.360
<v Speaker 2>two guys that you talked about. You know, they became

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<v Speaker 2>champions and uh guys who made their teammates better. What

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<v Speaker 2>I loved about both of you, you had, you excelled

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<v Speaker 2>at the roles that you both had. Yeah, because san

0:14:41.920 --> 0:14:44.960
<v Speaker 2>Antonio wouldn't been able to do what they did without you.

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<v Speaker 2>See what you did, what you did, and you you

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<v Speaker 2>bought that swag and that that street and then you

0:14:55.920 --> 0:15:01.880
<v Speaker 2>were killing with that jumper. Jack wasn't playing boy. And

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<v Speaker 2>then when he got rolling, he gave you that look, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>like go ahead, I'm over here. Blessing like the two

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<v Speaker 2>of you. And then Matt just lock you all up

0:15:14.040 --> 0:15:16.720
<v Speaker 2>and stuff block your side and look at you like,

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<v Speaker 2>come on, yeah, I got you. I'm locking you down.

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<v Speaker 2>And so you know, when you all we all just

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<v Speaker 2>do what we do, right and so and then when

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<v Speaker 2>kids see that, they said, wow, okay, I want to

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<v Speaker 2>be like him, and young people are watching YouTube now

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<v Speaker 2>saying wow, especially I hate to bring color in, but

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<v Speaker 2>it's true. Black men now know they can do what

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<v Speaker 2>you're doing. Stories you see what I'm saying, And so

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<v Speaker 2>you're opening up this whole path for first former athletes. Yes,

0:15:53.560 --> 0:15:55.600
<v Speaker 2>they can go from the court to what you're doing.

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<v Speaker 2>Then those who are at home saying, man ize these

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<v Speaker 2>two guys even more now because they played basketball. But

0:16:05.040 --> 0:16:07.960
<v Speaker 2>now look what they're doing, and now I know I

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<v Speaker 2>can do it as well. So that's a blessing.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I think too, because life after basketball back in

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<v Speaker 1>your day, Back when we first started was a mystery. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, business wasn't cool to talk about. We didn't

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<v Speaker 1>talk about investments or anything. Nothing about the four oh

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<v Speaker 1>one k It was. It was a lot of guys

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<v Speaker 1>once they've done the did you know, acquired addictions and

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<v Speaker 1>lost their money to be able to transition from sports.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, obviously you're the role model of it, but

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<v Speaker 1>guys like Jack and I like we weren't superstars, although

0:16:36.240 --> 0:16:37.720
<v Speaker 1>Jack should have been an all stared been black Ball

0:16:37.720 --> 0:16:41.080
<v Speaker 1>because of the ball, but be able to transition it

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<v Speaker 1>it's it wasn't as easy as it. We've kind of

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<v Speaker 1>made it look, you know, and to be able to

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<v Speaker 1>transition in media and open a bunch of doors like

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<v Speaker 1>that kind of stuff didn't happen back in the day.

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<v Speaker 2>No, a lot of stuff changed too.

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<v Speaker 4>When we were able to say Magic's a billionaire who

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<v Speaker 4>like as a basketball player, we would felt like we would,

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<v Speaker 4>you know what I mean, like this it can happen

0:17:00.760 --> 0:17:02.720
<v Speaker 4>because Magic done it, you know what I mean. So

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<v Speaker 4>you really gave us the ability to even fight for

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<v Speaker 4>it because you believe it. Everything you was dealing with,

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<v Speaker 4>you still made it happen.

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<v Speaker 2>So that's a testament to you.

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<v Speaker 4>Thank you, because a lot of people don't go through

0:17:18.359 --> 0:17:21.480
<v Speaker 4>nothing and can't pay a bill. You making stuff happen

0:17:21.480 --> 0:17:25.000
<v Speaker 4>where you giving us hope as a as a as

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<v Speaker 4>a culture. You know, a lot of basketball players when

0:17:27.320 --> 0:17:29.600
<v Speaker 4>we say this all the time, we happened here because

0:17:29.640 --> 0:17:32.000
<v Speaker 4>we wasn't all stars, we wasn't on the commercials, but

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<v Speaker 4>in this space, we.

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<v Speaker 2>Feel like we'd all starts right.

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<v Speaker 4>So, but not only that, when we got guys like

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<v Speaker 4>Paul and KG giving us our profits like it means

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<v Speaker 4>something to us. But it started when to be able

0:17:42.200 --> 0:17:43.880
<v Speaker 4>to say it's a basketball player.

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<v Speaker 1>That we looked up to as a billionaire magic.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, you know, listen, I broke a lot of barriers

0:17:50.040 --> 0:17:53.200
<v Speaker 2>and went through a lot of doors. But also too,

0:17:53.240 --> 0:17:57.280
<v Speaker 2>it's a hardship to that too. And so when I

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<v Speaker 2>first got started, a lot of people didn't loan me

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<v Speaker 2>money or give me opportunities because I was a basketball

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<v Speaker 2>player or I was a six or nine black man.

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<v Speaker 2>So I had to prove to them that I did

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<v Speaker 2>no business. And I finally got my track record of

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<v Speaker 2>success and a lot of meetings I took, they were

0:18:18.320 --> 0:18:21.040
<v Speaker 2>in there snickering and laughing because they knew they weren't

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<v Speaker 2>gonna give me money, but they wanted everything that came

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<v Speaker 2>with magic, the picture. Would you say something to my

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<v Speaker 2>son that whole thing and then turn you down at

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<v Speaker 2>the end of it, right, But I said, you know what,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm a fighter man, I'm from the hood, so I'm

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<v Speaker 2>gonna keep getting up until you know I make it happen.

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<v Speaker 2>So I made it happen. And now we do know

0:18:46.520 --> 0:18:50.119
<v Speaker 2>that we can be successful out here, right and you

0:18:50.200 --> 0:18:54.320
<v Speaker 2>two are proving that, and there's others doing the same thing.

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<v Speaker 2>We just got to make sure that we're dedicated with

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<v Speaker 2>focus and not let anybody or any things stop our

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<v Speaker 2>dreams and our goals. And that's why I love this

0:19:04.119 --> 0:19:06.760
<v Speaker 2>is first class. Everything you're doing right now first class.

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<v Speaker 2>That's how we got to do it. We got to

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<v Speaker 2>do it first class.

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<v Speaker 1>Y'all give yourself a random plug.

0:19:12.760 --> 0:19:18.120
<v Speaker 2>Legends some time back of legends. So winning, winning has

0:19:18.160 --> 0:19:21.920
<v Speaker 2>always been a part of your DNA. Only winning high

0:19:21.960 --> 0:19:27.960
<v Speaker 2>school champion, college, McDonald's All American, and Michigan State. So

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<v Speaker 2>this is the question I got to asked, how many

0:19:30.240 --> 0:19:32.120
<v Speaker 2>bags were thrown at you when you went to Michigan State.

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<v Speaker 2>A lot of people offered me money.

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<v Speaker 1>I knew.

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<v Speaker 2>I knew kind of bags though, oh they were big bags.

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<v Speaker 2>And you know what, my father he always gave me

0:19:46.640 --> 0:19:50.719
<v Speaker 2>life lessons. So here I am. He said, we're not

0:19:50.760 --> 0:19:54.360
<v Speaker 2>taking no money. I said, okay, cool. So I decided

0:19:54.359 --> 0:19:56.920
<v Speaker 2>to stay close to home because my mother and father

0:19:57.000 --> 0:19:59.200
<v Speaker 2>and all my brothers and sisters had never missed none

0:19:59.240 --> 0:20:02.920
<v Speaker 2>of my games, and I wanted that to continue. And

0:20:03.119 --> 0:20:06.040
<v Speaker 2>I'm a mama's boy, so I loved my mother, so

0:20:06.119 --> 0:20:08.359
<v Speaker 2>I wasn't giving up her fried chicken and none of

0:20:08.400 --> 0:20:11.560
<v Speaker 2>the other stuff she brought to the table, them hugs

0:20:11.560 --> 0:20:17.480
<v Speaker 2>and every right. So my freshman year, we win the

0:20:17.480 --> 0:20:19.199
<v Speaker 2>Big Ten, go all the way to the final eight,

0:20:19.320 --> 0:20:22.440
<v Speaker 2>Kentucky beat US. Kansas City had the number one pick,

0:20:22.520 --> 0:20:24.200
<v Speaker 2>so they called me and said, hey, we want to

0:20:24.280 --> 0:20:27.480
<v Speaker 2>draft you number one Kings. Yeah, they were Kansas City

0:20:27.560 --> 0:20:30.200
<v Speaker 2>Kings at that time. So I flew down and met

0:20:30.200 --> 0:20:33.639
<v Speaker 2>with the dude named Joel Atkinson, the general manager, and

0:20:33.680 --> 0:20:35.159
<v Speaker 2>he said, hey, I'm gonna want to give you a

0:20:35.200 --> 0:20:38.399
<v Speaker 2>six year deal, two hundred thousand a year. So you know,

0:20:38.440 --> 0:20:41.200
<v Speaker 2>I got excited. I've been broke my whole life. I'm like,

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<v Speaker 2>oh man, this is great, and so I got I

0:20:46.080 --> 0:20:49.160
<v Speaker 2>jumped up, said, oh, I think that's good. My father

0:20:49.560 --> 0:20:54.080
<v Speaker 2>grabbed me and he pulled me, drugged me outside the door.

0:20:54.119 --> 0:20:56.440
<v Speaker 2>He said, hold on, we'll be right back. He said,

0:20:56.440 --> 0:20:58.800
<v Speaker 2>you've been broke for eighteen years. You can be broke

0:20:58.840 --> 0:20:59.520
<v Speaker 2>one more year.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not going to.

0:21:05.960 --> 0:21:10.080
<v Speaker 2>I said, yes, sir, So you're going back to school.

0:21:10.720 --> 0:21:13.000
<v Speaker 2>So I went back to school, and I'm glad I

0:21:13.080 --> 0:21:16.560
<v Speaker 2>did because I finished what I came to college for,

0:21:16.800 --> 0:21:20.680
<v Speaker 2>which was to win the national championship and uh play

0:21:20.720 --> 0:21:24.720
<v Speaker 2>against Larry Bird and that unbelievable final the most watched

0:21:25.640 --> 0:21:28.840
<v Speaker 2>college championship ever, that's right to this day still the

0:21:28.840 --> 0:21:32.720
<v Speaker 2>most watched. And uh so to be link with this dude,

0:21:33.880 --> 0:21:36.920
<v Speaker 2>who you know? You saying man? First? When I first

0:21:37.000 --> 0:21:39.320
<v Speaker 2>met him, I said, all right, I'm gonna see this dude.

0:21:39.400 --> 0:21:41.159
<v Speaker 2>This white cat can really.

0:21:40.920 --> 0:21:44.320
<v Speaker 1>Go like is always out on white boys all respects.

0:21:44.760 --> 0:21:48.439
<v Speaker 2>It's always out. It's respect. This ain't nothing bad. So

0:21:48.480 --> 0:21:49.840
<v Speaker 2>I said, let me see what you can do.

0:21:49.880 --> 0:21:52.960
<v Speaker 3>But Larry had something that most white boys don't have.

0:21:52.880 --> 0:21:56.639
<v Speaker 2>To say that just keep you real man. Different, now different,

0:21:56.800 --> 0:22:04.160
<v Speaker 2>a little different. Different. Now that boy he could play man.

0:22:04.640 --> 0:22:08.159
<v Speaker 2>He turned it out we played on a team in

0:22:08.200 --> 0:22:11.480
<v Speaker 2>college in a tournament together. This is the first time

0:22:11.520 --> 0:22:13.240
<v Speaker 2>I ever sat on the bench. Him and I were

0:22:13.440 --> 0:22:17.520
<v Speaker 2>on the bench and we were like, the guys in

0:22:17.560 --> 0:22:21.040
<v Speaker 2>front of us wasn't better than us. But Kentucky head

0:22:21.119 --> 0:22:23.440
<v Speaker 2>coach was coaching the team, so he started three guys

0:22:23.440 --> 0:22:26.920
<v Speaker 2>from Kentucky's stealth. But when we got in the game,

0:22:26.960 --> 0:22:30.040
<v Speaker 2>we turned it out. But I saw this dude eat

0:22:30.240 --> 0:22:32.080
<v Speaker 2>Jack Givings up. He was player of the year that

0:22:32.200 --> 0:22:35.520
<v Speaker 2>year Kentucky, Yes from Kentucky, and Larry Bird was just

0:22:35.560 --> 0:22:39.119
<v Speaker 2>slicing them, dicing them, and I said, oh, I called home.

0:22:39.520 --> 0:22:47.120
<v Speaker 2>I said, it's true about this boy. This dude can play.

0:22:47.440 --> 0:22:50.680
<v Speaker 2>So that was my first time seeing him, and then

0:22:50.720 --> 0:22:52.600
<v Speaker 2>to be out on the court with him in college

0:22:52.680 --> 0:22:55.399
<v Speaker 2>for that national championship game. And then of course what

0:22:55.560 --> 0:22:58.359
<v Speaker 2>happened in the NBA. But I would say that we

0:22:58.440 --> 0:23:02.320
<v Speaker 2>got a chance to change the league. You know what,

0:23:02.320 --> 0:23:04.520
<v Speaker 2>what a blessing it was. He ended up in Boston

0:23:05.240 --> 0:23:07.960
<v Speaker 2>and then I ended up out here. My personality was

0:23:08.119 --> 0:23:12.480
<v Speaker 2>La Hollywood, his personality was Boston, and it worked for

0:23:12.560 --> 0:23:14.960
<v Speaker 2>the whole league, you know, So everything was good.

0:23:22.760 --> 0:23:25.240
<v Speaker 1>So number one overall picking the seventy nine draft to

0:23:25.280 --> 0:23:28.240
<v Speaker 1>the Lakers. So you spend your first twenty years in

0:23:28.320 --> 0:23:32.320
<v Speaker 1>Michigan and then you come out here outside of basketball like,

0:23:32.480 --> 0:23:34.920
<v Speaker 1>talk to us about LA and was it a culture shock?

0:23:35.040 --> 0:23:36.800
<v Speaker 1>What kind of what was it? When you I mean,

0:23:36.840 --> 0:23:37.800
<v Speaker 1>look at he's sliding.

0:23:46.119 --> 0:23:50.320
<v Speaker 2>It was definitely a shock. First of all, I was

0:23:50.320 --> 0:23:53.320
<v Speaker 2>scared to death coming out here. I stayed in my

0:23:53.600 --> 0:23:57.840
<v Speaker 2>apartment for the first two years because I've come from

0:23:57.880 --> 0:24:01.679
<v Speaker 2>a small town. And so my first two years I

0:24:01.760 --> 0:24:05.680
<v Speaker 2>concentrated on really letting people know that my game was real,

0:24:06.760 --> 0:24:12.439
<v Speaker 2>because listen, it's hard to come to a city like

0:24:12.520 --> 0:24:15.760
<v Speaker 2>Los Angeles, and all the pressure was already on me

0:24:15.880 --> 0:24:18.840
<v Speaker 2>because we won the championship. I'm the number one pick,

0:24:18.960 --> 0:24:21.080
<v Speaker 2>so I gotta I gotta make sure I proved to

0:24:21.119 --> 0:24:25.120
<v Speaker 2>everybody that I belong in the NBA. So I concentrated

0:24:25.160 --> 0:24:29.960
<v Speaker 2>on that first. Then after I made my name, then

0:24:30.040 --> 0:24:34.159
<v Speaker 2>I said, okay, it's club time. Now turn and listen

0:24:34.200 --> 0:24:41.840
<v Speaker 2>to listen man running with doctor Buss different and you

0:24:43.040 --> 0:24:44.959
<v Speaker 2>and the play playmates and all that.

0:24:45.760 --> 0:24:46.720
<v Speaker 1>It's a different life.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna tell you something.

0:24:51.680 --> 0:24:52.600
<v Speaker 1>We started to sweat up.

0:24:55.280 --> 0:24:59.720
<v Speaker 3>Let me say, remember before we played in the old

0:24:59.760 --> 0:25:02.600
<v Speaker 3>four with Don Nelson. Yeah, we walked through the halls

0:25:02.600 --> 0:25:11.880
<v Speaker 3>of don Nelson say, well if these walls guitar.

0:25:06.640 --> 0:25:06.720
<v Speaker 1>The.

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<v Speaker 2>God Man, that forum club, it would never be nothing

0:25:15.280 --> 0:25:16.160
<v Speaker 2>like that ever. Again.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, that was before a cell phone, media, a lot

0:25:23.600 --> 0:25:28.040
<v Speaker 5>of stuff because nobody but we had a good time.

0:25:28.160 --> 0:25:31.680
<v Speaker 2>We had a good time, and uh, I enjoyed myself.

0:25:31.720 --> 0:25:36.320
<v Speaker 2>But I would say this focused first on winning. We

0:25:36.320 --> 0:25:39.560
<v Speaker 2>were able to accomplish that, and then we partied after that.

0:25:40.880 --> 0:25:43.480
<v Speaker 2>So but it was a great time. I'm glad I

0:25:43.600 --> 0:25:47.680
<v Speaker 2>ended up here. It's been a beautiful, beautiful relationship.

0:25:47.760 --> 0:25:52.840
<v Speaker 1>Magic in l A and uh go together's anonymous. Yeah, anonymous,

0:25:53.520 --> 0:25:57.200
<v Speaker 1>your rookie year. Go to the finals first, doctor J.

0:25:57.440 --> 0:25:59.959
<v Speaker 1>You're able to beat them. Finals MVP is a room.

0:26:00.680 --> 0:26:04.040
<v Speaker 1>But before we get to the final er, before we

0:26:04.040 --> 0:26:06.920
<v Speaker 1>get to that final experience, doctor J is someon when

0:26:06.920 --> 0:26:09.360
<v Speaker 1>you looked up to I heard in college he kind

0:26:09.400 --> 0:26:11.119
<v Speaker 1>of rolled out the red carpet to you. Explain that

0:26:11.119 --> 0:26:11.919
<v Speaker 1>story about doctor J.

0:26:12.320 --> 0:26:18.000
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, So I was leaving school and I called him

0:26:18.080 --> 0:26:23.119
<v Speaker 2>up and so he said, hey, I said, hey, what

0:26:23.240 --> 0:26:25.919
<v Speaker 2>is it like leaving? You left? So I want you

0:26:26.000 --> 0:26:27.880
<v Speaker 2>to tell me what it's like for me to leave

0:26:28.040 --> 0:26:31.840
<v Speaker 2>Michigan stay early, and so he was explaining to me

0:26:31.920 --> 0:26:34.560
<v Speaker 2>on the phone, and then he said, I'm gonna do

0:26:34.600 --> 0:26:37.600
<v Speaker 2>you one better fly out to Philly and hang out

0:26:37.640 --> 0:26:39.960
<v Speaker 2>with me for the weekend. I said, what.

0:26:41.960 --> 0:26:44.200
<v Speaker 1>Doc, No, Doc, that's doc.

0:26:44.440 --> 0:26:47.520
<v Speaker 2>This is doctor J saying a young fellow can come

0:26:47.600 --> 0:26:49.439
<v Speaker 2>hang with him. And he put me up at his

0:26:49.520 --> 0:26:52.199
<v Speaker 2>crib at the big mansion. How he pick you up

0:26:53.080 --> 0:26:58.679
<v Speaker 2>a limo man? And my brother was like, oh, show,

0:26:59.560 --> 0:27:03.679
<v Speaker 2>I'm calling everybody. I'm with doctor J at his house.

0:27:04.760 --> 0:27:07.439
<v Speaker 2>And so you know, I'm sitting there, living in the

0:27:07.480 --> 0:27:10.480
<v Speaker 2>living room and he's talking to me and I'm just

0:27:11.000 --> 0:27:14.280
<v Speaker 2>zoning out, like I can't even believe it. I've always

0:27:14.320 --> 0:27:17.320
<v Speaker 2>had docs on. So now I'm with him. Oh it

0:27:17.440 --> 0:27:20.640
<v Speaker 2>was crazy, man. So we hung out the whole weekend.

0:27:21.119 --> 0:27:23.439
<v Speaker 2>Wife took great care of me as well, went to

0:27:23.480 --> 0:27:25.600
<v Speaker 2>a couple of playoff games. He was in the playoffs.

0:27:26.000 --> 0:27:29.480
<v Speaker 2>He gave me some great advice. And then here is

0:27:29.560 --> 0:27:33.600
<v Speaker 2>seven months later, I'm playing the brother in the NBA finals,

0:27:33.640 --> 0:27:38.480
<v Speaker 2>my idol, I'm playing him in the NBA Finals and

0:27:38.600 --> 0:27:41.720
<v Speaker 2>so we so I said, man, I love you, but

0:27:41.760 --> 0:27:43.880
<v Speaker 2>I got to take him out too, and take him

0:27:43.880 --> 0:27:46.840
<v Speaker 2>out but when he came down that middle, I mean

0:27:46.880 --> 0:27:49.440
<v Speaker 2>on that right side and cuffed that ball on the

0:27:49.520 --> 0:28:04.280
<v Speaker 2>cool damn, I said, oh man. And then the other

0:28:04.359 --> 0:28:07.560
<v Speaker 2>one was he came down the right side and he

0:28:07.760 --> 0:28:10.720
<v Speaker 2>jumped out of bounds and he started walking.

0:28:10.440 --> 0:28:16.480
<v Speaker 1>The finger roll yeah, in the air and fro going back.

0:28:17.359 --> 0:28:21.200
<v Speaker 2>Bunting against the glasses. Good. I said, man, this dude

0:28:21.240 --> 0:28:24.399
<v Speaker 2>is too much. Man. See he was doing that George

0:28:24.440 --> 0:28:28.639
<v Speaker 2>Shep before Michael. People forget that. Yeah, he was the

0:28:28.680 --> 0:28:31.679
<v Speaker 2>first dude walking in the air. Oh man. It was

0:28:31.720 --> 0:28:35.080
<v Speaker 2>so much fun playing against die and that we won.

0:28:35.359 --> 0:28:38.120
<v Speaker 1>But talk about talk about yourself a little bit because

0:28:38.400 --> 0:28:43.240
<v Speaker 1>Kareem went down. You're a rookie twenty years old in

0:28:43.280 --> 0:28:46.080
<v Speaker 1>the NBA Finals, the only first and only rookie to

0:28:46.080 --> 0:28:49.480
<v Speaker 1>ever win finals. MVP. Talk to these people that didn't

0:28:49.520 --> 0:28:51.880
<v Speaker 1>follow the game back then and what it was like

0:28:51.960 --> 0:28:54.920
<v Speaker 1>and the numbers you put up slid to the center.

0:28:54.680 --> 0:28:57.320
<v Speaker 2>That center from point go out to center. Well you

0:28:57.360 --> 0:29:00.920
<v Speaker 2>know again, man, I so he gets Kareem gets hurts

0:29:00.960 --> 0:29:04.520
<v Speaker 2>it in game five and so I get to the airport,

0:29:04.600 --> 0:29:07.360
<v Speaker 2>everybody head is down because Kareem can't play. I said,

0:29:07.880 --> 0:29:10.560
<v Speaker 2>So what Kareem can't play. We're still gonna win, right,

0:29:10.760 --> 0:29:13.040
<v Speaker 2>And they looked at me like, rookie, go sit down.

0:29:13.520 --> 0:29:17.239
<v Speaker 2>We can't beat Philadelphia without Kareem. I said, man, we're

0:29:17.240 --> 0:29:21.160
<v Speaker 2>gonna win this game. And they was like, we can't

0:29:21.200 --> 0:29:24.200
<v Speaker 2>do it. Irvan I said, so I gotta do something, Matt,

0:29:24.320 --> 0:29:25.960
<v Speaker 2>I said, I got to do something to get these

0:29:26.000 --> 0:29:29.160
<v Speaker 2>guys going. So Kareem would always sit in one A

0:29:29.400 --> 0:29:32.200
<v Speaker 2>that was his seat. So I asked a flight attendant

0:29:32.240 --> 0:29:34.120
<v Speaker 2>could I go on the plane first. So I went

0:29:34.160 --> 0:29:36.400
<v Speaker 2>and sat in Kareem seat, and as every Laker came

0:29:36.440 --> 0:29:42.719
<v Speaker 2>by and said, never fear magic is me, they were like,

0:29:44.000 --> 0:29:48.440
<v Speaker 2>this dude is crazy, you know, so they laughed. So

0:29:48.520 --> 0:29:50.920
<v Speaker 2>I had five hours all the way flight from LA

0:29:50.960 --> 0:29:54.040
<v Speaker 2>to Philadelphia to work on their mindset and attitude. Because

0:29:54.120 --> 0:29:56.120
<v Speaker 2>ladies and gentlemen, if you don't think you're gonna win,

0:29:56.840 --> 0:30:00.040
<v Speaker 2>I'm all right, I gonna win over it's over. So

0:30:00.320 --> 0:30:03.160
<v Speaker 2>I told him, man, we're gonna win this game. And

0:30:03.200 --> 0:30:05.120
<v Speaker 2>so I told the coach I'm gonna play center. He

0:30:05.200 --> 0:30:09.520
<v Speaker 2>was like he was like, he looked at me like, yeah,

0:30:09.560 --> 0:30:11.320
<v Speaker 2>have you ever played center? I said, yeah, I played

0:30:11.320 --> 0:30:13.360
<v Speaker 2>center in high school. He said, man, that was two

0:30:13.440 --> 0:30:15.600
<v Speaker 2>or three years ago, I said I'm gonna play center

0:30:15.600 --> 0:30:19.240
<v Speaker 2>tomorrow against Cadwell Jones. So long story short, you know,

0:30:19.280 --> 0:30:24.400
<v Speaker 2>I scored forty two points, fifteen rebound, seven assists, winning

0:30:24.400 --> 0:30:28.880
<v Speaker 2>the game, and it was a blessing to him. To

0:30:29.000 --> 0:30:33.040
<v Speaker 2>be named NBA Most Vasubable Player the Finals was a

0:30:33.080 --> 0:30:36.480
<v Speaker 2>true blessing. But to win the game, yes, again, first

0:30:36.520 --> 0:30:40.360
<v Speaker 2>and foremost. All the other stuff don't matter, right, just

0:30:40.480 --> 0:30:43.360
<v Speaker 2>win the game. So we won the championship. So that

0:30:43.520 --> 0:30:46.080
<v Speaker 2>was my first one, and then I became the third

0:30:46.120 --> 0:30:49.320
<v Speaker 2>guy ever in NBA history college come out of college.

0:30:49.800 --> 0:30:51.960
<v Speaker 2>That's right, to go back to back. So it's a

0:30:52.000 --> 0:30:54.280
<v Speaker 2>bit a blessing, a lot of history.

0:30:54.960 --> 0:30:58.360
<v Speaker 1>Talk to us about you're in Cream's relationship at the beginning,

0:30:58.480 --> 0:31:03.560
<v Speaker 1>because obviously you carry He was more reserved, quiet to himself.

0:31:03.840 --> 0:31:06.040
<v Speaker 1>I remember he hit the game winner and you jumped

0:31:06.040 --> 0:31:08.360
<v Speaker 1>on him and he got mad. But talk to us

0:31:08.560 --> 0:31:11.000
<v Speaker 1>because you came and brought a different energy to this team,

0:31:11.080 --> 0:31:14.320
<v Speaker 1>high fiving and out there about it. How long did

0:31:14.320 --> 0:31:16.760
<v Speaker 1>it take Kareem to adjust to what you were selling?

0:31:17.000 --> 0:31:20.960
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it took him all season that first year. First

0:31:20.960 --> 0:31:23.000
<v Speaker 2>of all, they thought I was coming in to take

0:31:23.040 --> 0:31:25.720
<v Speaker 2>over the team, and I told him on first day

0:31:25.720 --> 0:31:28.400
<v Speaker 2>of training camp, I said, listen, man, I'm here to

0:31:28.520 --> 0:31:31.400
<v Speaker 2>help you. I said, where do you like the ball?

0:31:31.480 --> 0:31:33.800
<v Speaker 2>He said what I said, what do you like the ball?

0:31:34.840 --> 0:31:36.440
<v Speaker 2>I said, you like it high? You like it in

0:31:36.480 --> 0:31:38.400
<v Speaker 2>the middle of your chest. You like it low? He said, no,

0:31:38.480 --> 0:31:40.160
<v Speaker 2>I like it high. I said, that's where it'll be

0:31:40.240 --> 0:31:43.880
<v Speaker 2>every single time. I said, I'm here to help you

0:31:44.200 --> 0:31:49.760
<v Speaker 2>be more successful. So that first game, he hits a

0:31:49.840 --> 0:31:53.320
<v Speaker 2>sky hook from the free throw line, now not from

0:31:53.800 --> 0:31:56.480
<v Speaker 2>down low, from the free throw line to win the

0:31:56.520 --> 0:31:59.760
<v Speaker 2>game in San Diego. So I go running. I jumped,

0:31:59.800 --> 0:32:03.560
<v Speaker 2>and I'm hold choking them and hugging them. And I

0:32:03.600 --> 0:32:06.080
<v Speaker 2>didn't let go for about two or three minutes because

0:32:06.080 --> 0:32:07.960
<v Speaker 2>I've never seen a shot like that game when a

0:32:08.040 --> 0:32:12.240
<v Speaker 2>shot like that. So he got me to the locker room, rookie,

0:32:12.320 --> 0:32:13.000
<v Speaker 2>come here.

0:32:14.040 --> 0:32:15.160
<v Speaker 1>Don't ever do that.

0:32:15.280 --> 0:32:18.600
<v Speaker 2>We have eighty one more games to go. We can't

0:32:18.640 --> 0:32:22.440
<v Speaker 2>be this high after game one. So all the players

0:32:22.480 --> 0:32:25.320
<v Speaker 2>now are looking So now I gotta make a condition.

0:32:25.480 --> 0:32:27.880
<v Speaker 2>That's right. So everybody's looking at me in the locker room,

0:32:27.920 --> 0:32:30.720
<v Speaker 2>like what you're gonna do, rookie. So I turned around, said,

0:32:30.720 --> 0:32:32.680
<v Speaker 2>you hit a shot like that eighty one more time.

0:32:32.800 --> 0:32:35.720
<v Speaker 2>You know he's taller than me. I'm gonna jump in

0:32:35.760 --> 0:32:39.880
<v Speaker 2>your arms eighty one more time. And that showed him

0:32:39.880 --> 0:32:43.280
<v Speaker 2>that I wasn't gonna change. You can't intimidate me, and

0:32:43.320 --> 0:32:46.520
<v Speaker 2>I wasn't gonna change. I'm gonna be who I am

0:32:46.840 --> 0:32:49.120
<v Speaker 2>while I let you be who you are. So them

0:32:49.160 --> 0:32:52.880
<v Speaker 2>first fifty games, you know, all the other fellas we

0:32:53.040 --> 0:32:55.600
<v Speaker 2>high five and chest bump and we having fun. He

0:32:55.640 --> 0:33:03.520
<v Speaker 2>would score just one down, we scored we about the right.

0:33:03.560 --> 0:33:07.040
<v Speaker 2>When the playoff started, he did a hard dunk on somebody,

0:33:07.400 --> 0:33:24.160
<v Speaker 2>so he came out looking for somebody. We were like, oh,

0:33:24.240 --> 0:33:26.720
<v Speaker 2>so it was a beautiful thing man, to see him

0:33:26.800 --> 0:33:31.080
<v Speaker 2>enjoy hisself. So what did he say to me? Just

0:33:31.200 --> 0:33:34.360
<v Speaker 2>recently at the we had to Showtime reunion in Hawaii?

0:33:35.080 --> 0:33:39.280
<v Speaker 2>He said, Irvin, you showed me that I could show

0:33:39.320 --> 0:33:42.760
<v Speaker 2>my emotion and enjoy it again you changed. So that

0:33:42.880 --> 0:33:43.720
<v Speaker 2>was a beautiful thing.

0:33:44.640 --> 0:33:49.960
<v Speaker 1>So, uh, two titles in three years, pat Riley at

0:33:49.960 --> 0:33:54.200
<v Speaker 1>the Helm, you faced bird three out of four years

0:33:54.240 --> 0:33:56.760
<v Speaker 1>right there in the finals. Talk to us about that,

0:33:56.880 --> 0:34:00.520
<v Speaker 1>and then a double ended question, where did the phrase

0:34:00.640 --> 0:34:02.360
<v Speaker 1>showtime come from?

0:34:02.400 --> 0:34:02.480
<v Speaker 2>So?

0:34:02.560 --> 0:34:05.480
<v Speaker 1>First two two thisand and three years.

0:34:05.760 --> 0:34:10.319
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, we were you know the Lakers. I tell you

0:34:10.480 --> 0:34:13.840
<v Speaker 2>it was just beautiful because we had everything we needed.

0:34:14.080 --> 0:34:16.800
<v Speaker 2>You know, when you think about we had Norm Nixon

0:34:16.920 --> 0:34:19.400
<v Speaker 2>was the other guard. Jamal Wilkes was a small forward

0:34:19.520 --> 0:34:22.840
<v Speaker 2>my first year, Jim Chones was a power forward with

0:34:22.960 --> 0:34:26.960
<v Speaker 2>Kareem at center. That unit was, man, just fantastic. When

0:34:27.000 --> 0:34:30.880
<v Speaker 2>we won that second one, here come James Worthy coming in,

0:34:31.080 --> 0:34:34.000
<v Speaker 2>it was just beautiful. We all played our role. Michael

0:34:34.000 --> 0:34:37.480
<v Speaker 2>Cooper was such a big played a big role in

0:34:37.560 --> 0:34:40.480
<v Speaker 2>US winning because Coop could have started for any team

0:34:40.520 --> 0:34:43.359
<v Speaker 2>in the league, could have started for any team, and

0:34:43.440 --> 0:34:46.799
<v Speaker 2>he decided that six man row was great for him

0:34:47.000 --> 0:34:51.640
<v Speaker 2>and he would shut everybody's whoever the high score was

0:34:51.680 --> 0:34:54.319
<v Speaker 2>on the opponent's team, he would take him and really

0:34:54.320 --> 0:34:58.000
<v Speaker 2>shut him down. So we just played so well together

0:34:58.040 --> 0:35:02.000
<v Speaker 2>and we were running and so showtime came in because

0:35:02.120 --> 0:35:05.399
<v Speaker 2>man I was coming down that fast breakdown the lake

0:35:06.160 --> 0:35:09.920
<v Speaker 2>and man I get the no looking left right, throwing

0:35:09.960 --> 0:35:12.680
<v Speaker 2>it between my legs behind my back, and then you

0:35:12.719 --> 0:35:17.799
<v Speaker 2>know the brothers Byron Duncan, James Duncan, Kareem Duncan, and

0:35:17.840 --> 0:35:20.560
<v Speaker 2>the people would just go crazy because I told them.

0:35:21.040 --> 0:35:23.080
<v Speaker 2>I said, listen, when I give it to you, I

0:35:23.080 --> 0:35:25.520
<v Speaker 2>did my part right. I got them up out their seats.

0:35:25.640 --> 0:35:27.680
<v Speaker 4>See, I got them up out their seat.

0:35:27.840 --> 0:35:31.680
<v Speaker 2>Now you gotta do the rest right now. If you

0:35:31.680 --> 0:35:33.759
<v Speaker 2>don't do the rest, I ain't gonna give it to you, don't.

0:35:35.520 --> 0:35:37.880
<v Speaker 2>So them brother said, we got it. We got it.

0:35:37.920 --> 0:35:40.280
<v Speaker 2>Heard they you used to call me buck? They fuck,

0:35:40.320 --> 0:35:42.520
<v Speaker 2>we got it. So they go in. I said, once

0:35:42.560 --> 0:35:44.399
<v Speaker 2>I give it to it, then they were finishing. Man

0:35:44.400 --> 0:35:47.920
<v Speaker 2>that people would go crazy. That where Showtime came in.

0:35:48.400 --> 0:35:51.000
<v Speaker 2>You know, it was a show within the game and

0:35:51.440 --> 0:35:54.520
<v Speaker 2>they started calling us the Showtime Lakers and it was beautiful.

0:35:54.640 --> 0:35:58.600
<v Speaker 1>I mean, obviously Hollywood Showtime, it's fitting. But also the

0:35:58.680 --> 0:36:02.680
<v Speaker 1>Laker girls they kind of the game for cheerleaders or

0:36:02.680 --> 0:36:04.719
<v Speaker 1>whatever you want to call them. Pola ab Duel was

0:36:04.840 --> 0:36:07.120
<v Speaker 1>a superstar, but she started as a Laker girl.

0:36:07.200 --> 0:36:08.080
<v Speaker 2>Speak to their.

0:36:08.200 --> 0:36:12.279
<v Speaker 1>Significance in I guess we call it cheerleading for the

0:36:12.360 --> 0:36:13.200
<v Speaker 1>NBA because.

0:36:13.000 --> 0:36:16.000
<v Speaker 2>They were the ship. Yes, and Doctor Bush created all

0:36:16.040 --> 0:36:20.200
<v Speaker 2>of that. Doctor Buss was a visionary who was a

0:36:20.239 --> 0:36:23.760
<v Speaker 2>guy who thought outside the box. And so he said,

0:36:23.840 --> 0:36:26.400
<v Speaker 2>you know what, I want to show the yes to

0:36:26.480 --> 0:36:30.319
<v Speaker 2>be the team. But we got to create entertainment. I'm

0:36:30.360 --> 0:36:33.719
<v Speaker 2>in the entertainment entertainment capital of the world, so I

0:36:33.800 --> 0:36:37.440
<v Speaker 2>want more happening during the game. So that's when he

0:36:37.480 --> 0:36:40.360
<v Speaker 2>had the young ladies come out and start dancing Paul

0:36:40.360 --> 0:36:44.080
<v Speaker 2>abdue of course, and then that just turned in to

0:36:44.239 --> 0:36:48.440
<v Speaker 2>something really special, and I mean it was just it

0:36:48.480 --> 0:36:52.360
<v Speaker 2>was just beautiful. Then he had Hugh Hefner come and

0:36:52.719 --> 0:36:57.759
<v Speaker 2>all the ladies was in lace and you know, the playmates.

0:36:57.200 --> 0:37:00.320
<v Speaker 1>Fo I mean, I tell people, I mean, what a

0:37:00.400 --> 0:37:02.759
<v Speaker 1>championship will go to state. But there's nothing in the

0:37:02.800 --> 0:37:05.080
<v Speaker 1>world like being a Laker. When you just sit on

0:37:05.080 --> 0:37:07.240
<v Speaker 1>the bench sometimes and look in the crowd, you'll see.

0:37:07.120 --> 0:37:12.040
<v Speaker 2>Anybody, anybody and anything anything.

0:37:12.680 --> 0:37:14.760
<v Speaker 4>I made sure I had thirty every time I played

0:37:14.760 --> 0:37:15.280
<v Speaker 4>the Lakers.

0:37:15.600 --> 0:37:18.360
<v Speaker 2>I mean, it's no place like It's still nothing like

0:37:18.440 --> 0:37:21.640
<v Speaker 2>going to a Laker game, you know. And so doctor

0:37:21.680 --> 0:37:25.399
<v Speaker 2>Bushdoll created all of that, and he was a genius

0:37:25.960 --> 0:37:28.920
<v Speaker 2>to buy the form the Lakers and the King for

0:37:29.080 --> 0:37:32.040
<v Speaker 2>sixty five million dollars and now that team is worth

0:37:32.040 --> 0:37:36.640
<v Speaker 2>four or five billion dollars. That's crazy, right, And so

0:37:36.760 --> 0:37:39.800
<v Speaker 2>you got to give him credit, and then Genie credit

0:37:39.880 --> 0:37:43.719
<v Speaker 2>right now for carrying on his his dream and what he.

0:37:43.760 --> 0:37:49.160
<v Speaker 4>Started agreed with all that success. Here comes the Pistons

0:37:49.160 --> 0:37:52.760
<v Speaker 4>and the Bulls. What was it like battling against Isaiah Michael?

0:37:54.760 --> 0:37:59.880
<v Speaker 2>Those were the Pistons were probably one of the best

0:38:00.120 --> 0:38:03.640
<v Speaker 2>defensive teams that probably played in the fire. There was physical,

0:38:03.719 --> 0:38:07.400
<v Speaker 2>that's what they were. So physical, but long when you

0:38:07.440 --> 0:38:11.920
<v Speaker 2>have people like Dennis and John Sally, I mean, you

0:38:11.960 --> 0:38:15.440
<v Speaker 2>get past you might get past Joe dumar but you

0:38:15.560 --> 0:38:18.640
<v Speaker 2>got both of them to get Mbert and lamberd he

0:38:18.719 --> 0:38:21.960
<v Speaker 2>would just slam you, I mean, just go to follow you.

0:38:22.520 --> 0:38:27.480
<v Speaker 2>And that three guard combination of Isaiah, Joe Dumars, and

0:38:27.520 --> 0:38:34.200
<v Speaker 2>Vinnie Johnson was unbelievable. And so we won one series

0:38:34.239 --> 0:38:36.880
<v Speaker 2>against them, and then in eighty eight, and then they

0:38:36.920 --> 0:38:40.520
<v Speaker 2>came back and beat us in eighty nine, and then Michael,

0:38:40.719 --> 0:38:44.680
<v Speaker 2>it was their turn. We were on the decline, they

0:38:44.680 --> 0:38:47.239
<v Speaker 2>were on their way up. And when we played them

0:38:47.239 --> 0:38:51.319
<v Speaker 2>in ninety one, you could tell that the Pistons had

0:38:51.360 --> 0:38:57.160
<v Speaker 2>prepared them for the championship. Michael was ready to finally win.

0:38:57.440 --> 0:39:02.040
<v Speaker 2>Scotty was ready to play his role as well, and

0:39:02.160 --> 0:39:04.399
<v Speaker 2>that's when they beat us and it started their run.

0:39:05.080 --> 0:39:08.960
<v Speaker 2>So you all have runs, right and so we had

0:39:09.000 --> 0:39:11.520
<v Speaker 2>our run, the Celtics had their run. It was the

0:39:11.560 --> 0:39:14.520
<v Speaker 2>Pistons turn, then the Bulls turn, and on and on

0:39:14.560 --> 0:39:14.719
<v Speaker 2>and on.

0:39:14.880 --> 0:39:16.879
<v Speaker 1>So we just had a recent debate on our show.

0:39:17.080 --> 0:39:21.120
<v Speaker 1>It was brought up by Freddie Gibbs. I don't you

0:39:21.200 --> 0:39:25.120
<v Speaker 1>were part of a dynasty? Was the Pistons team of dynasty?

0:39:26.760 --> 0:39:31.720
<v Speaker 2>When you went back to back? You got to say,

0:39:31.840 --> 0:39:34.360
<v Speaker 2>if they're not a dynasty, they're close to it, right,

0:39:34.600 --> 0:39:36.160
<v Speaker 2>because is it three times?

0:39:36.320 --> 0:39:36.719
<v Speaker 1>Is it three?

0:39:36.840 --> 0:39:38.080
<v Speaker 2>Is multiple?

0:39:38.360 --> 0:39:41.799
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, there's nothing in the rule book that determines what

0:39:41.840 --> 0:39:42.640
<v Speaker 1>a dynasty is.

0:39:43.200 --> 0:39:47.120
<v Speaker 2>That say, So, I guess it's up to every individual

0:39:47.200 --> 0:39:50.040
<v Speaker 2>to say what they think a dynasty is. But let

0:39:50.120 --> 0:39:53.080
<v Speaker 2>me tell you something, winning back to back is very difficult,

0:39:53.719 --> 0:39:56.800
<v Speaker 2>very difficult. So give them a lot of credit going

0:39:56.880 --> 0:40:00.879
<v Speaker 2>back to back and uh and show on people that

0:40:01.640 --> 0:40:07.760
<v Speaker 2>they were as good as advertised. So, especially with Isaiah's.

0:40:07.360 --> 0:40:10.680
<v Speaker 4>Leadership, when every time they do a top seventy five

0:40:10.920 --> 0:40:14.400
<v Speaker 4>or bring all the top players together, it's obvious that

0:40:14.480 --> 0:40:17.480
<v Speaker 4>you are the glue. Everybody comes around you magic. It

0:40:17.520 --> 0:40:19.920
<v Speaker 4>seemed like you keep everything together, like even all the

0:40:19.920 --> 0:40:23.240
<v Speaker 4>older guys, like everybody's around you. You got everybody laughing.

0:40:23.320 --> 0:40:26.319
<v Speaker 4>You just the life of the party. What's your take

0:40:26.400 --> 0:40:30.239
<v Speaker 4>on the back and forth with Isaiah and Mike right now?

0:40:30.760 --> 0:40:33.399
<v Speaker 2>I don't like it, right, I think they should be

0:40:33.520 --> 0:40:36.680
<v Speaker 2>done with that. Listen, we played. When we played, we

0:40:36.760 --> 0:40:39.520
<v Speaker 2>all had to dislike each other to win a championship.

0:40:39.560 --> 0:40:41.719
<v Speaker 2>We all had to do what we had to do.

0:40:42.200 --> 0:40:47.640
<v Speaker 2>But now what Michael is doing is incredible to be

0:40:47.680 --> 0:40:52.040
<v Speaker 2>an owner in the NBA to his shoe is still

0:40:52.120 --> 0:40:55.360
<v Speaker 2>number one. I mean, you can put all those guys

0:40:55.360 --> 0:40:59.720
<v Speaker 2>shoes sales together. They can't even mess with Michael Jordan's

0:40:59.719 --> 0:41:03.120
<v Speaker 2>shoes and so, and then Isaiah is a businessman himself,

0:41:03.360 --> 0:41:06.520
<v Speaker 2>one exactly all the things that he's doing.

0:41:06.800 --> 0:41:10.400
<v Speaker 4>So why why are we still living in the past.

0:41:10.480 --> 0:41:12.520
<v Speaker 1>Yes, I think only magic can fix that ship.

0:41:13.160 --> 0:41:18.439
<v Speaker 2>We're definitely gonna try, man, because they should be all

0:41:18.440 --> 0:41:20.520
<v Speaker 2>look up to both of them. We look up to

0:41:20.520 --> 0:41:23.759
<v Speaker 2>both of them. Yeah, and they're my boys, right right,

0:41:24.120 --> 0:41:26.080
<v Speaker 2>So I guess I'm gonna have to be the one

0:41:26.120 --> 0:41:28.480
<v Speaker 2>to bring them together. Culture.

0:41:29.920 --> 0:41:32.759
<v Speaker 4>We want to see Jezeke and Mike somewhere having to

0:41:32.800 --> 0:41:34.880
<v Speaker 4>drink together, man for the culture.

0:41:34.120 --> 0:41:37.080
<v Speaker 2>There there you go, join you there.

0:41:37.280 --> 0:41:40.760
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

0:41:41.400 --> 0:41:45.320
<v Speaker 4>Nineteen ninety one, your career was halted, but you defied

0:41:45.320 --> 0:41:48.200
<v Speaker 4>the odds playing then All Star Game helped the Dream

0:41:48.239 --> 0:41:52.920
<v Speaker 4>Team win the goal, which was unbelievable. You know, we

0:41:53.080 --> 0:41:55.120
<v Speaker 4>taking our hats off to you many times, but this

0:41:55.239 --> 0:41:59.359
<v Speaker 4>was just the ultimate. What was your mental during that time?

0:41:59.640 --> 0:42:03.719
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you know, when you go through a life threatening situation,

0:42:04.160 --> 0:42:07.080
<v Speaker 2>it definitely changes you. I'm always an up guy. That

0:42:07.160 --> 0:42:09.920
<v Speaker 2>was probably my lowest point in my life, and so

0:42:10.200 --> 0:42:14.280
<v Speaker 2>thank god that, you know, the medicine that was available

0:42:14.400 --> 0:42:17.239
<v Speaker 2>at that time could keep me here for a long

0:42:17.320 --> 0:42:20.319
<v Speaker 2>time as well as I did everything I had to

0:42:20.360 --> 0:42:22.799
<v Speaker 2>do to be here a long time, right, and so

0:42:24.000 --> 0:42:26.759
<v Speaker 2>and then when I think about playing on the Dream Team,

0:42:26.880 --> 0:42:32.000
<v Speaker 2>that was amazing because I've always wanted on my bucket list.

0:42:32.360 --> 0:42:35.000
<v Speaker 2>I just wanted one time to play with Larry and Michael,

0:42:35.200 --> 0:42:38.120
<v Speaker 2>just one time. And now I get a chance to

0:42:38.239 --> 0:42:42.800
<v Speaker 2>represent the country, play on the Dream Team, play with Michael,

0:42:43.440 --> 0:42:45.880
<v Speaker 2>make a pass to him, make a pass to Larry Bird,

0:42:46.400 --> 0:42:52.360
<v Speaker 2>Charles Barkley, Scottie Pippen, Patrick Ewing, David Robinson, Clyde Drexler,

0:42:52.560 --> 0:42:55.880
<v Speaker 2>Chris Mullin Stockton. So it was really amazing for me

0:42:55.960 --> 0:42:58.600
<v Speaker 2>to be able to be on that team and us

0:42:58.640 --> 0:43:03.879
<v Speaker 2>crush everybody by forty and I think opened the game

0:43:04.000 --> 0:43:08.920
<v Speaker 2>up absolutely international players. That's right. It became a global

0:43:08.960 --> 0:43:12.040
<v Speaker 2>game after that. So uh, it was a true blessing.

0:43:12.120 --> 0:43:15.920
<v Speaker 2>And also to it, it helped me understand that I

0:43:16.000 --> 0:43:17.200
<v Speaker 2>was gonna be here a long time.

0:43:18.080 --> 0:43:20.120
<v Speaker 1>What were those practices like, I mean you hear you

0:43:20.160 --> 0:43:23.319
<v Speaker 1>see docuseries and docs they say, that's kind of when

0:43:23.360 --> 0:43:26.000
<v Speaker 1>you handed the torch over the mic. Because I'm sure

0:43:26.000 --> 0:43:28.920
<v Speaker 1>you guys got more out of the practices than you

0:43:28.960 --> 0:43:30.240
<v Speaker 1>got out of the game playing.

0:43:30.320 --> 0:43:33.160
<v Speaker 2>You're right, we practiced. Man. When you got that, you

0:43:33.239 --> 0:43:37.440
<v Speaker 2>got ten egos out on that court like in the world. Yes,

0:43:37.719 --> 0:43:41.720
<v Speaker 2>going at each other every single day. So one game

0:43:42.239 --> 0:43:45.000
<v Speaker 2>he decides to say, okay, the East versus the West.

0:43:45.400 --> 0:43:51.239
<v Speaker 2>So all the East guys Jordan, Pippin, Bird Barkley, and

0:43:51.280 --> 0:43:56.320
<v Speaker 2>Ewing Bam and then all the West guys my Loan, Robinson,

0:43:57.000 --> 0:44:02.040
<v Speaker 2>uh Drexler, Mullin and so we all played against each other.

0:44:02.520 --> 0:44:04.560
<v Speaker 2>So we were, man, we were going at each other

0:44:04.600 --> 0:44:08.480
<v Speaker 2>and talking stuff. So Charles Barkley took malone one time

0:44:08.800 --> 0:44:10.920
<v Speaker 2>and he scored. I said, come on, Carl, you got

0:44:10.960 --> 0:44:11.400
<v Speaker 2>to get.

0:44:11.200 --> 0:44:12.080
<v Speaker 1>His ass back.

0:44:13.719 --> 0:44:15.520
<v Speaker 2>On that block and get him back, so I threw

0:44:15.520 --> 0:44:18.440
<v Speaker 2>it to him. He scored, They come back, they scored,

0:44:19.000 --> 0:44:21.880
<v Speaker 2>We scored. So we were talking stuff. So finally we

0:44:22.200 --> 0:44:24.319
<v Speaker 2>got on a little run. So we scored about eight

0:44:24.360 --> 0:44:28.280
<v Speaker 2>in a row. They didn't score. Time out, so Michael

0:44:28.360 --> 0:44:31.759
<v Speaker 2>walking back. I don't usually talk trash, but I had

0:44:31.760 --> 0:44:36.040
<v Speaker 2>to that time. So I said, Michael, if you don't

0:44:36.080 --> 0:44:38.319
<v Speaker 2>turn into air Jordan, we're gonna blow y'all out.

0:44:39.960 --> 0:44:40.240
<v Speaker 5>Man.

0:44:41.160 --> 0:44:44.520
<v Speaker 2>He started sweating. That tongue went long.

0:44:47.920 --> 0:44:50.520
<v Speaker 1>You know where that tongue comes over, it's the problem.

0:44:51.400 --> 0:44:55.480
<v Speaker 2>He about. He about to do sothing. That dude came

0:44:55.520 --> 0:44:59.040
<v Speaker 2>out that time out. He scored about four straight threes,

0:45:02.719 --> 0:45:06.360
<v Speaker 2>and I went, oh, man. Then he came down. I

0:45:06.400 --> 0:45:09.680
<v Speaker 2>gotta show you this one. I don't hurt herself. I

0:45:09.719 --> 0:45:14.920
<v Speaker 2>won't hurt myself out. So he stole the basketball. He

0:45:15.040 --> 0:45:18.240
<v Speaker 2>coming down the right side, he takes off David Robinson

0:45:18.320 --> 0:45:22.600
<v Speaker 2>coming this way. So Mike just coughed and he just

0:45:22.640 --> 0:45:24.600
<v Speaker 2>looked at it in the air, and he kept looking.

0:45:24.920 --> 0:45:29.120
<v Speaker 2>He kept looking, he kept looking. He went all the

0:45:29.120 --> 0:45:32.720
<v Speaker 2>way down. Jack, he did a three sixty.

0:45:34.840 --> 0:45:35.719
<v Speaker 1>Man and done.

0:45:35.960 --> 0:45:38.879
<v Speaker 2>I said, that's it, that's it, it's over, that's him,

0:45:38.920 --> 0:45:42.000
<v Speaker 2>it's over now, that's so. So he just looked at

0:45:42.000 --> 0:45:44.960
<v Speaker 2>me too to let me know I'm coming. Your father,

0:45:47.080 --> 0:45:50.480
<v Speaker 2>your father, you know who got me to do this? You.

0:45:51.280 --> 0:45:56.000
<v Speaker 2>So we got upstairs and Larry Bird and not sitting down.

0:45:56.680 --> 0:45:58.000
<v Speaker 2>So he come in with his cigar.

0:45:59.520 --> 0:46:03.200
<v Speaker 1>Got so how does he right now? He's twenty six?

0:46:03.280 --> 0:46:08.880
<v Speaker 2>When he said, yeah young you know. Yeah, So I

0:46:08.960 --> 0:46:12.680
<v Speaker 2>just want you all to know that's a new sheriff

0:46:12.719 --> 0:46:18.680
<v Speaker 2>in time. Yeah, he says, it's my league. Now you

0:46:18.800 --> 0:46:22.000
<v Speaker 2>had your term, Larry Bird, you had your term. Now

0:46:22.040 --> 0:46:24.759
<v Speaker 2>it was my league. I love and we all bowed down.

0:46:27.239 --> 0:46:29.040
<v Speaker 1>I love it.

0:46:29.040 --> 0:46:32.359
<v Speaker 4>It wasn't never a time were you and even thought

0:46:32.360 --> 0:46:33.600
<v Speaker 4>about trying to play together.

0:46:33.719 --> 0:46:36.359
<v Speaker 2>Nothing. Ever, No, it wasn't like that, you know what.

0:46:37.040 --> 0:46:38.160
<v Speaker 2>I was wanting to compete.

0:46:38.520 --> 0:46:38.719
<v Speaker 6>Yeah.

0:46:39.040 --> 0:46:40.120
<v Speaker 2>I wasn't a guy like that.

0:46:40.440 --> 0:46:40.640
<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

0:46:41.320 --> 0:46:43.800
<v Speaker 2>I never wanted to play with nobody but my dudes.

0:46:44.320 --> 0:46:50.120
<v Speaker 2>I was good. And I've always been a dude wherever

0:46:50.160 --> 0:46:53.920
<v Speaker 2>I end up. That's why I'm rolling, you know. And

0:46:54.000 --> 0:46:57.439
<v Speaker 2>so even pick up games, I never tried to get

0:46:57.480 --> 0:47:00.600
<v Speaker 2>all the name dudes. I tried to just dudes who

0:47:00.600 --> 0:47:03.799
<v Speaker 2>want to play. Yeah, let's go, let's go. I like

0:47:03.880 --> 0:47:06.960
<v Speaker 2>that underdog thing. Anyway, come on, let's go beat these

0:47:07.040 --> 0:47:10.400
<v Speaker 2>dudes over here. And so that was always my mindset

0:47:10.520 --> 0:47:14.759
<v Speaker 2>and and I'm glad, but I would say this, that's

0:47:14.800 --> 0:47:15.680
<v Speaker 2>what makes.

0:47:15.640 --> 0:47:18.440
<v Speaker 1>Sports special, right Competitiveness.

0:47:18.080 --> 0:47:22.040
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, not you know, everybody joining each other, you know,

0:47:22.120 --> 0:47:24.920
<v Speaker 2>go make it. If you the best, you're gonna you

0:47:25.320 --> 0:47:28.520
<v Speaker 2>got to go up against them guys. Anyway, period. Forgive me.

0:47:28.640 --> 0:47:30.680
<v Speaker 1>I just flew in and I worked out this morning set.

0:47:30.719 --> 0:47:32.880
<v Speaker 1>I just trained Ben Hydra. Let me pee, give me

0:47:32.920 --> 0:47:37.720
<v Speaker 1>two seconds, right back two minutes, y'all talking about yourself.

0:47:37.760 --> 0:47:38.560
<v Speaker 2>I'll be right back.

0:47:39.320 --> 0:47:41.320
<v Speaker 1>I've been holding this shit in for thirty minutes.

0:47:41.920 --> 0:47:45.560
<v Speaker 2>Give me two minutes. I'll be right back right the bathroom.

0:47:45.640 --> 0:47:48.239
<v Speaker 2>I love it. I love it, Jack, I love it.

0:47:49.760 --> 0:47:52.480
<v Speaker 2>That's why your show, That's why your show is a

0:47:52.520 --> 0:47:58.440
<v Speaker 2>big anything happened. Nothing he does surprises me. Nothing he

0:47:58.560 --> 0:47:59.560
<v Speaker 2>does surprise me.

0:47:59.640 --> 0:47:59.759
<v Speaker 4>Bro.

0:48:09.719 --> 0:48:12.879
<v Speaker 2>Hey, I didn't see you over here. What's up boy?

0:48:13.800 --> 0:48:19.600
<v Speaker 2>How you feeling? Baby? Everything straight? You see? Let me

0:48:19.920 --> 0:48:26.880
<v Speaker 2>thank you for coming while you're here. Come on, pee,

0:48:27.800 --> 0:48:28.680
<v Speaker 2>everybody getting around the.

0:48:28.640 --> 0:48:31.080
<v Speaker 1>Plus and Paul pills for two then a little of

0:48:31.200 --> 0:48:31.800
<v Speaker 1>it on look.

0:48:32.200 --> 0:48:34.880
<v Speaker 2>The two in the city. You burning my mic Give

0:48:34.960 --> 0:48:36.279
<v Speaker 2>me give my mind.

0:48:36.440 --> 0:48:38.799
<v Speaker 6>All right, hold on, I'm gonna say just one story.

0:48:39.760 --> 0:48:41.799
<v Speaker 5>Tell them when you took over the Magic Johnson.

0:48:43.800 --> 0:48:44.880
<v Speaker 2>South that.

0:48:47.360 --> 0:48:50.080
<v Speaker 6>No, look quick, this was when when we're talking about

0:48:50.080 --> 0:48:52.759
<v Speaker 6>the U s L A pick up runs. So this

0:48:52.840 --> 0:48:57.319
<v Speaker 6>is when Magic was retired and Matt played up there

0:48:57.320 --> 0:48:59.759
<v Speaker 6>in common imagine used to come up there with his

0:48:59.840 --> 0:49:03.400
<v Speaker 6>own team. He bring his own five a bunch of

0:49:03.400 --> 0:49:07.080
<v Speaker 6>old dudes here tired. I'm a young dude in the league.

0:49:07.080 --> 0:49:09.839
<v Speaker 6>I'm a rookie. So he never I never seen him

0:49:09.840 --> 0:49:12.040
<v Speaker 6>lose a game and a pick of runs. And this

0:49:12.080 --> 0:49:16.480
<v Speaker 6>is Magic about ten years retired already. So he come.

0:49:16.560 --> 0:49:19.560
<v Speaker 6>I'm guarding him in the post. The game is tied

0:49:19.640 --> 0:49:22.840
<v Speaker 6>up six six, we go on to seven. I'm like,

0:49:22.880 --> 0:49:26.000
<v Speaker 6>all right, I got a Magic. Magic go up, shoot

0:49:26.000 --> 0:49:29.880
<v Speaker 6>the hook. I challenge the shot. He missed the hook,

0:49:30.520 --> 0:49:34.799
<v Speaker 6>We get the rebound, throw it ahead, we score, game over.

0:49:36.440 --> 0:49:39.399
<v Speaker 6>Magic looked down like, no, no, that don't count.

0:49:39.840 --> 0:49:40.520
<v Speaker 1>That's a foul.

0:49:49.920 --> 0:49:54.200
<v Speaker 2>He brings out back. He said, y'all bring down back.

0:49:54.960 --> 0:49:55.719
<v Speaker 2>He looked at me.

0:49:55.880 --> 0:49:58.560
<v Speaker 6>He looked at me like you know, like you know,

0:49:58.680 --> 0:49:59.840
<v Speaker 6>that's some foul on your collar.

0:50:00.200 --> 0:50:03.120
<v Speaker 2>How you go to touch them? They put the ball

0:50:03.200 --> 0:50:04.359
<v Speaker 2>in to get the.

0:50:04.239 --> 0:50:05.919
<v Speaker 6>Ball back of the post, shoot the hook and win

0:50:05.960 --> 0:50:06.319
<v Speaker 6>the game.

0:50:08.200 --> 0:50:12.520
<v Speaker 2>I ain't no way you can be master. Now, hey,

0:50:12.600 --> 0:50:19.200
<v Speaker 2>where you going? So so so the were all my

0:50:19.239 --> 0:50:25.760
<v Speaker 2>little brothers, right so, Paul, Reggie Miller, all the guys

0:50:25.800 --> 0:50:31.000
<v Speaker 2>playing up there, Oh yeah, my main man. And so

0:50:32.280 --> 0:50:36.640
<v Speaker 2>I always told them I'm gonna teach them one thing,

0:50:37.400 --> 0:50:40.640
<v Speaker 2>and that's to understand that everything is not gonna go

0:50:40.719 --> 0:50:43.640
<v Speaker 2>that way in the league. So the reason I called

0:50:43.680 --> 0:50:47.719
<v Speaker 2>that file was to make him stronger at the end

0:50:47.719 --> 0:50:55.200
<v Speaker 2>of the day, right right, right, and Reggie yourself, everybody

0:50:55.239 --> 0:50:58.879
<v Speaker 2>remember all them stories. But the things that I wanted

0:50:58.880 --> 0:51:02.480
<v Speaker 2>to do happen. Look at all of my champions, all

0:51:02.560 --> 0:51:06.560
<v Speaker 2>them doing great in life, and so we we we

0:51:06.760 --> 0:51:09.840
<v Speaker 2>used to love. Man, those games and those pick up

0:51:09.880 --> 0:51:12.960
<v Speaker 2>games are legendary. Will never be anything like that ever again.

0:51:13.560 --> 0:51:16.839
<v Speaker 2>And man, remember people had to set out, couldn't even

0:51:16.880 --> 0:51:23.080
<v Speaker 2>play sometime. Come on, man, yeah, I like that.

0:51:25.040 --> 0:51:30.080
<v Speaker 1>I heard you'll check check said she didn't walk up here.

0:51:31.719 --> 0:51:36.919
<v Speaker 2>Paul ended up taking over Magic's game. That's right, stop,

0:51:37.280 --> 0:51:38.160
<v Speaker 2>they're in their.

0:51:39.280 --> 0:51:44.200
<v Speaker 4>Let me and I get invited to the Magic Johnson

0:51:44.239 --> 0:51:46.919
<v Speaker 4>Classic after he didn't passes to him and beat yeah,

0:51:48.640 --> 0:51:50.759
<v Speaker 4>this one, and it went. It went from a celebrity

0:51:50.840 --> 0:51:56.480
<v Speaker 4>game in the in the staples. Everybody's there, players having

0:51:56.520 --> 0:52:00.160
<v Speaker 4>a good time, gatorade on the sideline, when I I'm

0:52:00.239 --> 0:52:01.600
<v Speaker 4>there and they in control of it.

0:52:02.360 --> 0:52:04.440
<v Speaker 3>All the players got double cussed with back on them

0:52:04.440 --> 0:52:04.879
<v Speaker 3>on the side.

0:52:07.400 --> 0:52:08.759
<v Speaker 2>Everybody's taking back on the.

0:52:12.520 --> 0:52:13.960
<v Speaker 1>Thanks, thank you.

0:52:14.520 --> 0:52:18.960
<v Speaker 2>Yes, it was a good two year round. I supposed

0:52:18.960 --> 0:52:29.399
<v Speaker 2>to come after Magic. Yeah, you feel the man? Oh

0:52:29.560 --> 0:52:32.359
<v Speaker 2>my god, And I heard.

0:52:32.600 --> 0:52:34.640
<v Speaker 1>I mean obviously Paul told you stories. This is what

0:52:34.719 --> 0:52:37.399
<v Speaker 1>I so, this is me again, idolizing this man coming

0:52:37.440 --> 0:52:41.040
<v Speaker 1>to college that just turned eighteen, and Magic is playing

0:52:41.080 --> 0:52:43.440
<v Speaker 1>pickup games with us. But I quickly learned you can

0:52:43.640 --> 0:52:48.040
<v Speaker 1>never beat man. Bring up that never beat it was,

0:52:48.120 --> 0:52:51.800
<v Speaker 1>bring it back. You can contaest it, play good defense

0:52:51.840 --> 0:52:55.239
<v Speaker 1>and not phallum. But if it's point game, you're never

0:52:55.360 --> 0:52:57.480
<v Speaker 1>gonna store that point ever.

0:52:57.680 --> 0:53:01.399
<v Speaker 2>But you know what, that's every O g everything that's

0:53:01.480 --> 0:53:02.200
<v Speaker 2>right every night.

0:53:03.960 --> 0:53:05.360
<v Speaker 1>At some point you just stopped getting.

0:53:06.800 --> 0:53:09.040
<v Speaker 2>At some point you just stop getting mad. Hold on,

0:53:09.160 --> 0:53:12.120
<v Speaker 2>hold on. So now I'm not playing no more. I'm

0:53:12.200 --> 0:53:15.040
<v Speaker 2>on the sideline. Guess who calling all the fouls?

0:53:15.120 --> 0:53:27.160
<v Speaker 1>And Reggie, I mean those are some legendary games. I

0:53:27.200 --> 0:53:31.000
<v Speaker 1>mean talking about there's rumors that you know, Will came

0:53:31.080 --> 0:53:32.759
<v Speaker 1>up there one time and you guys were talking ship

0:53:32.880 --> 0:53:33.600
<v Speaker 1>back and forth, and.

0:53:34.440 --> 0:53:41.040
<v Speaker 2>Listen, we had summer runs. Great player came to U.

0:53:41.160 --> 0:53:45.759
<v Speaker 2>Sall a later play, Moses Malone, you name it. They

0:53:45.880 --> 0:53:50.040
<v Speaker 2>all came up, Dominique, Isaiah Mark, you name them. They

0:53:50.160 --> 0:53:54.200
<v Speaker 2>all came to run. And uh, I remember a keem

0:53:54.360 --> 0:53:58.239
<v Speaker 2>came and a keem was late, and you know, we

0:53:58.320 --> 0:54:00.759
<v Speaker 2>had a rule you can't come after a certain time.

0:54:00.840 --> 0:54:02.200
<v Speaker 2>You can't get on a team because it was so

0:54:02.320 --> 0:54:05.200
<v Speaker 2>many NBA players. That's a keem though, So I know

0:54:05.320 --> 0:54:08.279
<v Speaker 2>that's what everybody said to right, And I said, man,

0:54:08.280 --> 0:54:10.840
<v Speaker 2>I'm sorry, man, they already got all the teams and

0:54:10.920 --> 0:54:13.759
<v Speaker 2>we're playing. Man. Do you know he got so mad

0:54:13.800 --> 0:54:16.040
<v Speaker 2>the next day he came. Remember he blocked He must

0:54:16.040 --> 0:54:19.279
<v Speaker 2>have blocked about twenty shots. I mean, he just was

0:54:19.400 --> 0:54:24.439
<v Speaker 2>so upset. He said, Magic, I just want to play,

0:54:24.520 --> 0:54:26.880
<v Speaker 2>and you didn't let me played. So he just dominated

0:54:26.920 --> 0:54:30.040
<v Speaker 2>the action. I mean, that's that's how great it was

0:54:30.160 --> 0:54:31.400
<v Speaker 2>picked up games back in the day.

0:54:31.440 --> 0:54:34.120
<v Speaker 1>So we get back to this talking about this all

0:54:34.640 --> 0:54:38.680
<v Speaker 1>transitioning from basketball. You end up calling it quits in

0:54:38.760 --> 0:54:43.400
<v Speaker 1>ninety six and transitioning into business, and your focus was

0:54:43.480 --> 0:54:48.520
<v Speaker 1>investing black and you know, revitalizing communities. Before we get

0:54:48.560 --> 0:54:50.240
<v Speaker 1>into that, talked to us about some of your mentors,

0:54:50.280 --> 0:54:52.920
<v Speaker 1>because you had mentors that were kind of running the game,

0:54:53.000 --> 0:54:56.040
<v Speaker 1>and how important that was to your success after basketball.

0:54:56.120 --> 0:55:00.080
<v Speaker 2>Well, Matt, you know, listen, I knew basketball, but in

0:55:00.200 --> 0:55:02.800
<v Speaker 2>no business. So I wanted to make sure I surrounded

0:55:02.920 --> 0:55:06.520
<v Speaker 2>myself with people who knew business that could teach me business.

0:55:07.520 --> 0:55:10.440
<v Speaker 2>So doctor Jerry Buss later on the Lakers became my

0:55:10.560 --> 0:55:15.000
<v Speaker 2>first mentor, Michael Ovitz, all these different men, Howard Schulzer,

0:55:15.040 --> 0:55:18.480
<v Speaker 2>Starbucks became my mentors because I wanted to pick their

0:55:18.560 --> 0:55:22.719
<v Speaker 2>brain on what made them successful so I could get

0:55:22.760 --> 0:55:27.040
<v Speaker 2>that knowledge and then build my businesses in the black community.

0:55:27.520 --> 0:55:30.120
<v Speaker 2>So they gave me the knowledge that I needed so

0:55:30.280 --> 0:55:32.160
<v Speaker 2>that then I could take it to the hood, yes,

0:55:32.440 --> 0:55:35.280
<v Speaker 2>and build my business, but also put people of color

0:55:35.360 --> 0:55:39.520
<v Speaker 2>to work. Once I got all the information that I needed,

0:55:40.160 --> 0:55:42.359
<v Speaker 2>I started with the number one thing that we were

0:55:42.440 --> 0:55:45.400
<v Speaker 2>doing back then with our family, which was going to

0:55:45.480 --> 0:55:48.120
<v Speaker 2>the movies. So I did a deal with Sony and

0:55:48.200 --> 0:55:51.600
<v Speaker 2>I built Magic Johnson Theaters. Because I did the research.

0:55:51.760 --> 0:55:53.680
<v Speaker 2>We were the number one group of people going to

0:55:53.760 --> 0:55:56.319
<v Speaker 2>the movies, but there were no movies in our movie

0:55:56.360 --> 0:55:59.680
<v Speaker 2>theaters in our community. So I built movie theaters and man,

0:56:00.120 --> 0:56:03.560
<v Speaker 2>my first theaters came in top ten highest grosing theaters

0:56:03.560 --> 0:56:06.560
<v Speaker 2>in the nation, the first theater I built, and I

0:56:06.680 --> 0:56:09.920
<v Speaker 2>knew then. I said, oh, I'm gonna be successful. And

0:56:10.239 --> 0:56:14.239
<v Speaker 2>so after that success, I went up to Seattle and

0:56:14.480 --> 0:56:17.960
<v Speaker 2>told Howard Shows that black people we like coffee too, right,

0:56:18.360 --> 0:56:22.480
<v Speaker 2>and we love we like coffee too, And so I said,

0:56:22.560 --> 0:56:26.480
<v Speaker 2>let's build some Starbucks in our community. And sure enough,

0:56:27.320 --> 0:56:31.920
<v Speaker 2>we did a deal that's still unbelievable today where he

0:56:32.040 --> 0:56:34.560
<v Speaker 2>allowed me to build one hundred and twenty five Starbucks

0:56:35.200 --> 0:56:38.839
<v Speaker 2>in forty different markets across the United States, proving people wrong.

0:56:38.840 --> 0:56:41.240
<v Speaker 2>Because everybody thought it wouldn't work in the black community,

0:56:41.800 --> 0:56:46.480
<v Speaker 2>and we proved everybody wrong. It did work. I made

0:56:46.560 --> 0:56:51.000
<v Speaker 2>some little tweaks to the desserts because we don't eat scone.

0:56:51.080 --> 0:56:55.279
<v Speaker 2>So I took the stones out and put in peace Cobb.

0:56:55.400 --> 0:56:55.640
<v Speaker 1>Listen.

0:56:57.719 --> 0:57:03.719
<v Speaker 2>That resonate with our community. And sure enough, it wasn't

0:57:03.840 --> 0:57:06.560
<v Speaker 2>just for the Starbucks. It also became a meeting place

0:57:06.640 --> 0:57:09.400
<v Speaker 2>in the black community. We didn't have meeting places in

0:57:09.520 --> 0:57:12.839
<v Speaker 2>our community where we can meet our friends, or our

0:57:12.920 --> 0:57:15.560
<v Speaker 2>mothers could meet her girlfriend and so on, and so

0:57:15.760 --> 0:57:19.800
<v Speaker 2>Starbucks became a meeting place and it was beautiful. Man.

0:57:19.880 --> 0:57:23.880
<v Speaker 2>So that's what jump started my business career. And so

0:57:24.160 --> 0:57:25.560
<v Speaker 2>sure enough it took off from there.

0:57:25.800 --> 0:57:29.400
<v Speaker 1>One business deal that didn't come to fruition for you, Nike.

0:57:30.200 --> 0:57:33.439
<v Speaker 1>You offered the Nike deal and today the estimated worth

0:57:33.480 --> 0:57:36.280
<v Speaker 1>would have been five point two billion. I mean, you're

0:57:36.320 --> 0:57:39.560
<v Speaker 1>doing fine, but talks us about that Nike situation though.

0:57:39.640 --> 0:57:44.600
<v Speaker 2>The reason why you changed thanks a lot, Matt. He

0:57:44.720 --> 0:57:51.040
<v Speaker 2>still gotta be Yeah. So here, I am just winning

0:57:51.120 --> 0:57:56.240
<v Speaker 2>the national championship against Larry Bird, and three companies came in,

0:57:56.640 --> 0:58:00.960
<v Speaker 2>so Converse, Adidas, and Nike. Nike was just a year

0:58:01.000 --> 0:58:05.840
<v Speaker 2>or two old, and so Converse offered me the most money.

0:58:05.960 --> 0:58:08.919
<v Speaker 2>So you know, when you grow, you take the money.

0:58:09.800 --> 0:58:14.680
<v Speaker 2>So Phil Knight came in and said, hey, I can't

0:58:14.760 --> 0:58:17.400
<v Speaker 2>offer you the same type of money, but I can

0:58:17.480 --> 0:58:24.040
<v Speaker 2>offer you stock were trying to hear that. Then I

0:58:24.200 --> 0:58:28.080
<v Speaker 2>wasn't trying and I didn't know nothing about it. And

0:58:28.240 --> 0:58:30.680
<v Speaker 2>my family didn't come for money. See, that's one thing

0:58:31.440 --> 0:58:33.760
<v Speaker 2>that hurt us sometimes when you don't come from money,

0:58:34.240 --> 0:58:36.200
<v Speaker 2>you don't know what I didn't even know what stocks

0:58:36.440 --> 0:58:39.600
<v Speaker 2>was at that time. R so I passed on the stocks.

0:58:41.680 --> 0:58:48.000
<v Speaker 2>Can you imagine forty five years five billion dollars stock

0:58:48.000 --> 0:58:49.080
<v Speaker 2>would have been worth today.

0:58:50.960 --> 0:58:54.240
<v Speaker 1>But like Jackson, the reason, yeah, you're the reason why

0:58:54.320 --> 0:58:56.080
<v Speaker 1>we wore Converse though, because I got me a pair

0:58:56.080 --> 0:58:58.840
<v Speaker 1>of magics too, But no one would have touched Converse.

0:58:58.840 --> 0:59:05.640
<v Speaker 2>I got five from the But let me say this.

0:59:06.040 --> 0:59:12.080
<v Speaker 2>You know when you don't know something that's okay. It's

0:59:12.160 --> 0:59:14.640
<v Speaker 2>when you know and then you mean you mistake. But

0:59:14.760 --> 0:59:17.520
<v Speaker 2>I'm also a guy who never looks back. I live

0:59:17.600 --> 0:59:20.200
<v Speaker 2>in the moment to see. I hate people who talk

0:59:20.280 --> 0:59:23.360
<v Speaker 2>about what happened thirty years ago or I used to

0:59:23.480 --> 0:59:27.360
<v Speaker 2>have it going on what are you doing now? It's

0:59:27.400 --> 0:59:31.120
<v Speaker 2>about what you're doing now, see, And so I'm a

0:59:31.200 --> 0:59:34.840
<v Speaker 2>person who live in the moment, and I'm always moving forward,

0:59:35.000 --> 0:59:37.840
<v Speaker 2>always moving forward. And if something happened to me that

0:59:38.040 --> 0:59:39.920
<v Speaker 2>wasn't good, I leave it in the past and I

0:59:40.080 --> 0:59:42.720
<v Speaker 2>keep moving forward. See, I love it. And so that's

0:59:42.760 --> 0:59:43.280
<v Speaker 2>who I am.

0:59:44.000 --> 0:59:45.920
<v Speaker 1>So they're telling us our time, can we get I

0:59:45.960 --> 0:59:47.960
<v Speaker 1>know it's past your bedtime. Can we get fifteen ft one.

0:59:48.040 --> 0:59:50.840
<v Speaker 1>We just a couple of war. We're gonna get through this, Okay. Well,

0:59:50.880 --> 0:59:54.640
<v Speaker 1>shout out to legends. Obviously you're one of the greatest legends.

0:59:54.720 --> 0:59:57.120
<v Speaker 1>I'm going to name some legends right now and talk

0:59:57.120 --> 0:59:58.640
<v Speaker 1>to us about each one of these individuals.

0:59:58.840 --> 1:00:05.200
<v Speaker 2>Kobe Bryant, oh Special, special on the court, special off

1:00:05.280 --> 1:00:12.280
<v Speaker 2>the court. Kobe changed the game, man, Kobe changed Los

1:00:12.320 --> 1:00:18.240
<v Speaker 2>Angeles to NBA. He would work out with anybody, high school,

1:00:19.360 --> 1:00:23.480
<v Speaker 2>young lady, young man. He worked out. Yeah. He loved

1:00:23.520 --> 1:00:25.640
<v Speaker 2>the game like we all loved it. He was twenty

1:00:25.680 --> 1:00:28.760
<v Speaker 2>four to seven involved. So we missing even today, so

1:00:28.800 --> 1:00:37.160
<v Speaker 2>we should clap for no rest in peace of it.

1:00:37.360 --> 1:00:40.280
<v Speaker 1>Our brother absolutely, Muhammad Ali.

1:00:41.720 --> 1:00:45.920
<v Speaker 2>Man, he was special because my father we used to

1:00:46.040 --> 1:00:49.960
<v Speaker 2>go to the theater before they had paid per view,

1:00:50.040 --> 1:00:53.200
<v Speaker 2>they had that other thing closed circuit, so we used

1:00:53.240 --> 1:00:56.560
<v Speaker 2>to We used to go to the theater to watch

1:00:56.640 --> 1:01:00.280
<v Speaker 2>Ali fight or listen to it on the radio with

1:01:00.440 --> 1:01:03.160
<v Speaker 2>my father. And the first thing I always wanted to

1:01:03.200 --> 1:01:06.200
<v Speaker 2>do when I finally signed my contract with the Lakers

1:01:06.640 --> 1:01:09.080
<v Speaker 2>was to go to an Ali fight. And I got

1:01:09.160 --> 1:01:12.280
<v Speaker 2>a chance after my rookie season that summer he was fighting,

1:01:12.800 --> 1:01:15.000
<v Speaker 2>and man, it was the greatest moment because I also

1:01:15.120 --> 1:01:18.120
<v Speaker 2>got a chance to meet him, and because what he

1:01:18.240 --> 1:01:21.880
<v Speaker 2>stood for and he was a proud black man that

1:01:22.240 --> 1:01:27.440
<v Speaker 2>they gave us all a sense of pride. And what

1:01:27.600 --> 1:01:30.320
<v Speaker 2>he was able to do, not only in the boxing ring,

1:01:30.440 --> 1:01:34.400
<v Speaker 2>but outside of it too. It was amazing. This one

1:01:34.520 --> 1:01:34.920
<v Speaker 2>right here.

1:01:36.160 --> 1:01:38.600
<v Speaker 1>Talk to us about the pajama parties that Prince used

1:01:38.640 --> 1:01:40.160
<v Speaker 1>to throw into Magic Johnson Theater.

1:01:43.400 --> 1:01:46.320
<v Speaker 2>Matt, you brought up something nobody brings up.

1:01:46.480 --> 1:01:46.640
<v Speaker 1>Man.

1:01:47.920 --> 1:01:52.440
<v Speaker 2>So I'm at the crib. Here we go, and my

1:01:52.600 --> 1:02:00.520
<v Speaker 2>phone and my phone ring, and I said, hello, Magic Prince,

1:02:02.760 --> 1:02:07.280
<v Speaker 2>I said, the Prince, Prince, Prince, and he said yeah,

1:02:08.360 --> 1:02:11.280
<v Speaker 2>I said, what's up? He said, Man, I want to

1:02:11.360 --> 1:02:15.080
<v Speaker 2>come to your movie theater about two am in the morning.

1:02:16.560 --> 1:02:19.760
<v Speaker 2>I said, Prince, we closed at two am. He said,

1:02:19.840 --> 1:02:23.240
<v Speaker 2>I know. That's why I want to come. And I

1:02:23.360 --> 1:02:27.240
<v Speaker 2>want to bring my own people to the theater. And

1:02:27.440 --> 1:02:33.320
<v Speaker 2>I said, okay, let me make this happen. So we

1:02:33.480 --> 1:02:36.360
<v Speaker 2>get to the theater. He has a big bus and

1:02:36.480 --> 1:02:41.240
<v Speaker 2>they all are in pajamas, right, and he got to drink.

1:02:41.320 --> 1:02:44.680
<v Speaker 2>He got everything. They go in. We had the popcorn, everything,

1:02:45.200 --> 1:02:47.080
<v Speaker 2>and we just let him have it. Man, and he

1:02:47.240 --> 1:02:51.000
<v Speaker 2>stayed there till four or five in the morning watching movies.

1:02:51.520 --> 1:02:54.800
<v Speaker 2>It was so much fun. He just kept calling me,

1:02:55.400 --> 1:02:59.160
<v Speaker 2>kept doing it. But you know what was cool. My

1:02:59.360 --> 1:03:02.240
<v Speaker 2>greatest was going on tour with him, and then going

1:03:02.320 --> 1:03:03.520
<v Speaker 2>on tour with Michael Jackson.

1:03:03.560 --> 1:03:03.800
<v Speaker 1>Wow.

1:03:04.840 --> 1:03:08.240
<v Speaker 2>Man, I went on tour with Michael. It's different, right twice,

1:03:09.280 --> 1:03:12.600
<v Speaker 2>and so we have the last two floors of the

1:03:12.640 --> 1:03:16.560
<v Speaker 2>hotel so they could run around and play and have fun. Right,

1:03:17.760 --> 1:03:23.200
<v Speaker 2>So the limos go out, so it's thousands of women

1:03:23.760 --> 1:03:28.000
<v Speaker 2>screaming out front. So when the limos pull out, they

1:03:28.040 --> 1:03:31.440
<v Speaker 2>all think we in the limos, So all the girls

1:03:31.480 --> 1:03:35.000
<v Speaker 2>start chasing the limbos down the street. So we would

1:03:35.040 --> 1:03:37.160
<v Speaker 2>go down the elevator and get in some white vans.

1:03:37.840 --> 1:03:40.440
<v Speaker 2>Nobody even knew when we're in the buns. Right, we

1:03:40.600 --> 1:03:43.360
<v Speaker 2>pull up, they already dressed and ready to go on stage.

1:03:44.400 --> 1:03:48.240
<v Speaker 2>And man, that's where I decided I had to be

1:03:48.360 --> 1:03:51.919
<v Speaker 2>even better as a basketball player. Michael Jackson, Wow, it's

1:03:51.960 --> 1:03:56.000
<v Speaker 2>never been nobody like him. This dude would be in

1:03:56.080 --> 1:03:58.840
<v Speaker 2>a mirror for two hours just working on his moves

1:03:58.960 --> 1:04:02.160
<v Speaker 2>and it was unbelievable. So that was one of my

1:04:02.280 --> 1:04:05.200
<v Speaker 2>greatest moments torn with him. And then torn with friends

1:04:05.280 --> 1:04:08.640
<v Speaker 2>and see him how they just turn it out unbelievable.

1:04:12.800 --> 1:04:17.480
<v Speaker 2>Get myself back together. Talking about the Kobe stuff kind

1:04:17.480 --> 1:04:17.800
<v Speaker 2>of took me.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, you experienced some of the highs and the lows,

1:04:22.080 --> 1:04:25.920
<v Speaker 4>but you prevailed through it all. If it's one thing

1:04:26.080 --> 1:04:28.400
<v Speaker 4>that you could oh some advice that you can give

1:04:29.560 --> 1:04:33.479
<v Speaker 4>anybody in here about life and dealing with ups and downs,

1:04:33.560 --> 1:04:36.640
<v Speaker 4>what would it be, Jack?

1:04:36.720 --> 1:04:40.600
<v Speaker 2>I think you're gonna have ups and downs in life, right,

1:04:40.720 --> 1:04:44.800
<v Speaker 2>It's how you deal with them, how you come through them.

1:04:48.360 --> 1:04:51.560
<v Speaker 2>I'm a guy who just meets things head on and

1:04:51.680 --> 1:04:55.120
<v Speaker 2>then I don't make excuses. Yeah you know, I'm accountable

1:04:55.200 --> 1:04:59.360
<v Speaker 2>for everything I've ever done, and so if it's my fault,

1:04:59.360 --> 1:05:01.880
<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna tell you it's my fault. I'm not a guy,

1:05:02.440 --> 1:05:05.080
<v Speaker 2>like I said, who make excuses. So I would say,

1:05:06.200 --> 1:05:11.439
<v Speaker 2>you know, just focus on getting better. Like my whole

1:05:11.600 --> 1:05:14.160
<v Speaker 2>thing in life now is in twenty two. I don't

1:05:14.160 --> 1:05:16.080
<v Speaker 2>want to be the same man in twenty three, right,

1:05:16.640 --> 1:05:20.880
<v Speaker 2>So how can I improve as a father, a husband,

1:05:21.320 --> 1:05:25.360
<v Speaker 2>a businessman, on and on and on. So I'm about

1:05:25.440 --> 1:05:29.080
<v Speaker 2>self improvement, right and getting better, and so that's what

1:05:29.200 --> 1:05:31.800
<v Speaker 2>we all should be focused on. And if we can

1:05:31.920 --> 1:05:35.040
<v Speaker 2>do that, then we're gonna be okay. And even when

1:05:35.120 --> 1:05:37.680
<v Speaker 2>that bad time come, we'll handle it and then we'll

1:05:37.760 --> 1:05:41.760
<v Speaker 2>move on, you know, cause it's gonna come. Disappointment always comes,

1:05:41.880 --> 1:05:45.280
<v Speaker 2>change always comes, but it's how we deal with it, right.

1:05:45.440 --> 1:05:47.520
<v Speaker 2>And so I've always been a guy just meeting head

1:05:47.560 --> 1:05:50.520
<v Speaker 2>on and just keep moving, you know. I mean both

1:05:50.560 --> 1:05:52.200
<v Speaker 2>of you have been through something. But look where you

1:05:52.280 --> 1:05:57.040
<v Speaker 2>are now, right And the George Floyd thing, what you did,

1:05:57.480 --> 1:06:00.560
<v Speaker 2>let's give him a hand man, well, Steven did, but

1:06:00.680 --> 1:06:08.840
<v Speaker 2>that you are a true leader and made us all

1:06:09.040 --> 1:06:13.600
<v Speaker 2>take notice and make us all get involved. And that's

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<v Speaker 2>what I love about you, you know. And so the

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<v Speaker 2>things you've been dealing with, see you talk about me.

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<v Speaker 2>You've been dealing with something. Your brother just passed and

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<v Speaker 2>you're still sitting here. See that, that's that shows a

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<v Speaker 2>sign of strength. And we know your heart is heavy,

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<v Speaker 2>but you still coming to work, You still grinding, You're

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<v Speaker 2>still doing what you have to do. See that, that's

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<v Speaker 2>that's a that's a blessing. So always remember this. Somebody

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<v Speaker 2>is watching, right See somebody is watching. Somebody is watching,

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<v Speaker 2>and that's either your your your friends, your kids. See

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<v Speaker 2>see for black men. It's so important that we excel

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<v Speaker 2>because somebody at home is watching. See, our little men

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<v Speaker 2>are are watching. And so it's a blessing when my

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<v Speaker 2>kids tell me, Dad, I'm only successful because I saw you,

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<v Speaker 2>So that makes me feel good. My daughter got her

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<v Speaker 2>own eyewear line, but she said, you taught me that

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<v Speaker 2>I could do this, and so that's a beautiful thing. See.

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<v Speaker 2>So again, we're doing it. We're doing it man, And

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<v Speaker 2>you got big boys sitting here. And I saw him

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<v Speaker 2>be number one in this market. And then he went

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<v Speaker 2>simulcast one of the first dudes. I mean to take

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<v Speaker 2>a show nationwide, worldwide. I mean he go to Japan,

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<v Speaker 2>they go crazy and all was So that's what it's about.

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<v Speaker 2>So that's why it's special. See, I'm gonna do I

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<v Speaker 2>give it up. See, I ain't trying to just oh,

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<v Speaker 2>be focused on me. No, I like to give it up.

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<v Speaker 2>When when brothers are doing great things, that empowers me too.

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<v Speaker 2>So remember that. So listen, this show is unbelievable. And

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<v Speaker 2>they talk about they wasn't superstar. No, they superstar. See,

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<v Speaker 2>you don't have to always be the best at one thing. See,

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<v Speaker 2>that's not the mark of a great man. It's whether

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<v Speaker 2>you could be the best at other things or two

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<v Speaker 2>things or three things. How can you reinvent yourself? Man,

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<v Speaker 2>you guys are killing it, killing it, killing killing imagine.

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<v Speaker 1>We want to thank you for your time tonight, obviously

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<v Speaker 1>knowing how busy you are and just the man you are,

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<v Speaker 1>you know the way, like you said, you're responsible for

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<v Speaker 1>all your actions and that's respectable. The barriers you've broken,

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<v Speaker 1>the wall, you know, the heights you've achieved. We need

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<v Speaker 1>to see it to believe it. And you're someone that

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<v Speaker 1>has continued to show us that it's possible, and we want.

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<v Speaker 2>To thank you for that.

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<v Speaker 1>And man, that's the luck. Yes, sir, I'd love to

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<v Speaker 1>see you as the owner of the NBA team one day.

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<v Speaker 2>I appreciate it. That'd be great. I appreciate it. But

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<v Speaker 2>how can we get some money with you?

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<v Speaker 1>We're gonna talk about that.

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<v Speaker 2>You can definitely do that. Yeah, we're all three invest

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<v Speaker 2>in something and it's gonna it's gonna win too.

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<v Speaker 1>Man, that's a wrap all the smoke, the one that

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<v Speaker 1>only managed n do it all.

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<v Speaker 2>Appreciate your baby, Thank you, m you boy now you

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<v Speaker 2>know that. Thank you, love you John, you know, thanks

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<v Speaker 2>for having