Speaker 1: Well, well, well, as is the catchphrase that starts this podcast,
Speaker 1: It's playoff time, baby. We're taking a look at each
Speaker 1: series discussing the two one one theory with the incredibly
Speaker 1: talented and escape writer Around the Horn panelist author Justin Tinsley.
Speaker 1: On today's episode, this is the most excited I've been
Speaker 1: about the NBA since we've been doing this podcast. It's
Speaker 1: money to pumped.
Speaker 2: Let's get it.
Speaker 1: I'm Jack O'Brien and I'm Jabari Davis in for Miles
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Speaker 1: Game, Honi, justin. Wonderful to have you, Justin Tinsley, thank
Speaker 1: you for joining us. How goes it?
Speaker 2: It's a pleasure to be back here. Man, I always
Speaker 2: coming on this show.
Speaker 1: This is uh Is it just me? Or is everybody
Speaker 1: as in love with the NBA right now as they?
Speaker 1: I'm so excited, Like I'm just getting through the work
Speaker 1: day looking forward to all right, what's the first game?
Speaker 1: Where are we in this series? Which is what we're
Speaker 1: about to talk about. We're a couple of days behind you, guys,
Speaker 1: so if we say something very stupid, we apologize. We're
Speaker 1: actually going to start doing a accelerated playoff schedule starting
Speaker 1: next week where we record and release in less time.
Speaker 1: We'll still be behind you, guys, but this week we're
Speaker 1: in the distant past. It's Tuesday afternoon before the Tuesday
Speaker 1: night games. So Nick Cavaliers is one I know, same
Speaker 1: with Clippers Sons. You know, we don't know quite a
Speaker 1: bit about where these series are headed, but there's so
Speaker 1: much to talk about this Ah, these matchups, the matchups
Speaker 1: out West are so incredible, Like three of the four
Speaker 1: series are all time class or the like could be
Speaker 1: all time classics.
Speaker 4: To that point, Jack, I think you mentioned this yesterday
Speaker 4: in the planning meeting. Justin, is this the most exciting
Speaker 4: at least first round matchup wise that we you know,
Speaker 4: that we've had, at least recently.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I would have to go back and look, but
Speaker 2: there is like this fervent excitement about this playoffs because
Speaker 2: it's not wide open, but it feels wider open than
Speaker 2: it has been in years past. I fell out West
Speaker 2: like barring key injury unfortunately. Like to players like John Morant,
Speaker 2: you kind of feel like there's like four or five teams.
Speaker 2: If they get hot, they can make a run to
Speaker 2: the finals. And when it's four or five teams and
Speaker 2: there's only eighteen in the playoffs per conference, like that's
Speaker 2: pretty wide open, man. So yeah, there is a different
Speaker 2: type of excitement around the twenty twenty three playoffs that
Speaker 2: feels different from years past.
Speaker 1: So the only series that we have two games in
Speaker 1: the books on as of this recording Sixers Nets and
Speaker 1: Golden State Sacramento Sixers Nets has not been I've been
Speaker 1: enjoying watching Philadelphia win because I am a Philadelphia seventy
Speaker 1: six Ers fan. Like the Nets are tough. You know,
Speaker 1: they game plan, they have some different looks they're thrown
Speaker 1: at the Sixers. It really messes with them for at
Speaker 1: least a while, But then you know, there's just too
Speaker 1: much from Embiid and Harden and Maxie and Tobias Harris.
Speaker 1: This is actually an interesting one to talk about the
Speaker 1: two one one theory because so far it feels like
Speaker 1: we've gotten I don't know, it's been a real team effort,
Speaker 1: like from the Sixers. It hasn't been a like I
Speaker 1: don't look at either of those first two games and say,
Speaker 1: Embid got that for them. You know, he every every
Speaker 1: possession went through him, but he got doubled and he
Speaker 1: was making the right pass. But it feels like it
Speaker 1: was like a I don't know that this might be
Speaker 1: an exception to the rule.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean for the Mad Bootsies universe out there,
Speaker 2: or for anyone not familiar with the two one one theory.
Speaker 2: That is a theory that myself and one of my
Speaker 2: best friends, Kenny Macinda, we really kind of created created
Speaker 2: a couple of years ago. I would probably say during
Speaker 2: the twenty twelve twenty thirteen NBA playoffs. We just started
Speaker 2: like looking at games differently. He was like, oh, man,
Speaker 2: last night that was a that was the Birdman game
Speaker 2: for the Miami He was like, oh yeah, Birdman came
Speaker 2: up big in the fourth quarter, and like, wait a minute.
Speaker 2: There's a science to this, and obviously it's not exact,
Speaker 2: but it's like in the two one one theory, you
Speaker 2: need four wins to advance obviously to the next round.
Speaker 2: Of those four wins, two come from your best player,
Speaker 2: one comes from your second best player, and the fourth
Speaker 2: comes from let's just say a role player game, the
Speaker 2: Birdman game. So now does it apply to every series. No,
Speaker 2: But when you look at the series thinking of this
Speaker 2: theory in your head, you'll see, wait a minute, it
Speaker 2: kind of plays out more often than I thought it will.
Speaker 2: You know, I made the joke that it's like the
Speaker 2: sex panther cologne from Anchorman. Sixty percent of the time.
Speaker 2: It works every time the time it works. And yeah,
Speaker 2: with this series in particular, it may it may not
Speaker 2: even work out that way because while you mentioned it, Jack,
Speaker 2: you mentioned it too, Jabari, Like the Nets are, they're
Speaker 2: a good team, man. I nobody predicts them to win
Speaker 2: this series. But given everything that Brooklyn has had to
Speaker 2: endure this season on the court end off of it,
Speaker 2: and the fact that they got the haul back that
Speaker 2: they did, especially with Kevin Durant, and the coaching job
Speaker 2: that Jacque Vaughn has done this year has been in
Speaker 2: a masterful Mike Brown is going to be the unanimous
Speaker 2: coach of the year, and as he should be. But
Speaker 2: Jacques Vaughn, man, what he's done with that team is
Speaker 2: great and They're a really fun team to watch because
Speaker 2: they compete. Man, Michael Bridges, he may not be a
Speaker 2: number one guy, but if he is, if he is
Speaker 2: on your team, he is going to make your team better.
Speaker 2: And so for game one with this series, I just
Speaker 2: look at it joke, not jokingly, but I look at
Speaker 2: it like lightheartedly, like, Okay, well, I believe Embiid had
Speaker 2: twenty six and six in Game one, and I'm like, obviously,
Speaker 2: that's a great game, but it's like it didn't feel
Speaker 2: like the dominant Joelle andb and performance. And when I
Speaker 2: look back at that game, it was like, Okay, that
Speaker 2: may be the James Harden game. If I had to
Speaker 2: give it to anybody, he ye believe he had twenty
Speaker 2: three and thirteen hit seven.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and people were saying it was like a perfect game,
Speaker 1: and you know, so.
Speaker 2: You give it to him. Game two comes around, you know,
Speaker 2: James Harden does not play well and it turns shooting
Speaker 2: percentage and obviously Tyrese Maxey has the big night. So
Speaker 2: you figure from the two to one to one metric,
Speaker 2: you got your one that is your second best player,
Speaker 2: and you got your other one that is the role
Speaker 2: player game. You're like wait, I'm two Joelle Embiid games
Speaker 2: away from advancing, So will it play out exactly like that?
Speaker 2: Maybe Tobias Harris has a big Game three, and you
Speaker 2: know Maxi has another big Game four and they move on. Well,
Speaker 2: apply the theory to most NBA series and you'll see, like,
Speaker 2: wait a minute, this actually happens more often than I
Speaker 2: thought it would.
Speaker 1: And also Game two didn't feel like a dominant Embiid
Speaker 1: scoring performance. He still had twenty nineteen seven assists and like,
Speaker 1: I think three blocks. He was all over the plays
Speaker 1: on defense. So I mean, we might want to just
Speaker 1: give that one two Embid because, like I said, every
Speaker 1: possession had to go through him, or we might want
Speaker 1: to give it to Doc because.
Speaker 2: You know, this thing about this is too like people
Speaker 2: like at me on Twitter about it, like, oh, that
Speaker 2: wasn't the Maxi game, that was the mb game. Oh no,
Speaker 2: it was the Maxi game. I'm like, at the end
Speaker 2: of the day, it's all subjective. It's who you want
Speaker 2: to give it to, Like, yeah, yeah, I created it,
Speaker 2: but I'm I'm not the only ones Like no, my rule.
Speaker 1: Is all like I guess we got to give it
Speaker 1: to Maxie. He had thirty eight, But I do just
Speaker 1: want to mention it because I think my coach, Doc
Speaker 1: Rivers is getting a raw deal. On Twitter, people are like, so,
Speaker 1: here's what happened. There's a ESPN story that's like docs talk.
Speaker 1: This is the actual headline, docs talk prompts unbelievable sixers response,
Speaker 1: and this is there was they came out real Lackaday's,
Speaker 1: Lackaday's a goal in the first two quarters, came out
Speaker 1: of halftime, and like there was a possession or two
Speaker 1: where they looked even more like they were sleepwalking, and
Speaker 1: then there was a time out and they came out
Speaker 1: and started executing after that, and people were like, did
Speaker 1: Doc say something? And so if Doc was wired as
Speaker 1: the coaches usually are, and the people looked at the
Speaker 1: timeout speech, and the thing that was used on the
Speaker 1: broadcast was just Doc saying, come on, guys, come on,
Speaker 1: like just that that seemed to be the only thing,
Speaker 1: and then you know, like so that became the story
Speaker 1: that he got them to play. The thing that you
Speaker 1: have to understand is that James Harden was asked what
Speaker 1: happened in that time out and he said, Doc cursed
Speaker 1: us out. Doc was swearing us up and down, justifiably,
Speaker 1: his job is to do that. When they're playing as
Speaker 1: unfocused as they were, they can't use that on the broadcast.
Speaker 1: So the come on, guys, is the only is the
Speaker 1: three seconds that they were allowed to use on the broadcast,
Speaker 1: and that, like the if you want to know what
Speaker 1: actually was said, you'll probably need the red band trailer too.
Speaker 2: You know, that's a fair that's a fair critique, for sure,
Speaker 2: that's a fair synopsis.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but also you know what it is, Jack, this
Speaker 4: is confirmation bias for folks.
Speaker 2: These are the for the.
Speaker 4: Folks out there that are like, Doc doesn't make adjustments,
Speaker 4: he's this, he's dead, you know, you know, he blows it.
Speaker 4: When they just see that, they're like, oh see see look.
Speaker 4: If that that's what he's saying, then that's why they've
Speaker 4: had failures in the past. But the reality is it's
Speaker 4: probably aligned with what you're saying, like they couldn't play
Speaker 4: everything specifically because you know they shouldn't play everything in
Speaker 4: the commercial and you know, you just get the the
Speaker 4: g rated Disney versus.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm not here to say Doc makes great adjustments
Speaker 1: in the playoffs. I am here to say that what
Speaker 1: you saw was not the full picture, and that the
Speaker 1: level of coaching and preparation that goes into the games
Speaker 1: from an NBA coaching staff is beyond what your expectations
Speaker 1: are and beyond what they're allowed to show in the
Speaker 1: sound from the game section. I think when I was
Speaker 1: watching that, like during the game, I was like, this
Speaker 1: looks like have you ever seen blue chips?
Speaker 2: When?
Speaker 1: Yeah, when Nick Nolty's like coaching and his version of
Speaker 1: coaching is come on the play the whole do basketball
Speaker 1: get the basket in the basketball?
Speaker 2: Like that?
Speaker 1: That's what it felt like the parts that they were
Speaker 1: allowed to show of DOC. But that's not that's not
Speaker 1: an accurate synopsis of what actually happened.
Speaker 2: You're always a victim to editing.
Speaker 1: Man, Yeah, editor has the power that other series. You know,
Speaker 1: Nicks Cavs is going to have a game by the
Speaker 1: time you hear this, that seems like it's going to
Speaker 1: be a war. If I had to predicate Hawk Celtics,
Speaker 1: that seems like it's not going to be a war.
Speaker 1: I feel like the Celtics are going to sweep that one,
Speaker 1: and then heat Bucks is just like a complete wild card,
Speaker 1: Like I don't I don't know what to expect there.
Speaker 1: I mean, it seems like Yiannis is gonna be back
Speaker 1: per game too.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think losing Hero for Miami is actually a
Speaker 2: really really big loss for them. We all know Jimmy
Speaker 2: Butler is. You know, I said it yesterday that he's
Speaker 2: the alpha and the omega of that team. Everything starts
Speaker 2: and ends with him. He is one of the better
Speaker 2: playoff performers that we've ever seen. But you don't just
Speaker 2: lose twenty points a game and a pure shooter and
Speaker 2: selling become the same the team that you were with
Speaker 2: him on the court. Like there is going to be
Speaker 2: a considerable drop. It makes the defensive assignments for Milwaukee
Speaker 2: that much more difficult to plan for because you got
Speaker 2: a legit score going so but yet and still, man,
Speaker 2: this Miami team, they're as scrappy as they come. They
Speaker 2: don't care about that eight beside their name, which is
Speaker 2: their seed, and they're obviously very familiar with this team.
Speaker 2: So while I do expect Milwaukee to win this series,
Speaker 2: it would not shock me if this thing went six,
Speaker 2: you know, just because they know how to muck it
Speaker 2: up and not in a disrespectful way. But they're they're
Speaker 2: a tough team and they will rally around each other
Speaker 2: and they expect greatness out of each other, even with
Speaker 2: you know, Hero out of the lineup.
Speaker 1: I will say, and this was the thought I had
Speaker 1: before the playoffs, but I didn't say it on the
Speaker 1: show because I was like, this is crazy, like the
Speaker 1: Bucks are gonna wipe them out. But I remember coming
Speaker 1: into the playoffs that when Milwaukee won the title, like
Speaker 1: being worried because I love Giannis, I always end up
Speaker 1: rooting for like the best player in the league, and
Speaker 1: just like I that narrative of seeing like somebody do it,
Speaker 1: and so I was like pulling for the Bucks. And
Speaker 1: I was worried for them going against Miami in the
Speaker 1: first round because Miami had had their numbers so much
Speaker 1: and I feel like they had that great run. But
Speaker 1: otherwise there's been like a lot of questionable exits for Milwaukee,
Speaker 1: and I mean last year, obviously they played incredibly well,
Speaker 1: so like they might be pasted this But heading in
Speaker 1: I was like, are we sure this is going to
Speaker 1: be a sweep, Like this feels like it could be
Speaker 1: trickier than we might expect. And now this prediction that
Speaker 1: I'm claiming I made before the series turns out to
Speaker 1: be right, So I'm a genius as always.
Speaker 4: To that point, I'm wondering where Justin was heading into
Speaker 4: this postseason, where you know, where you were resigned as
Speaker 4: we were as like, No, Boston's probably the cream of
Speaker 4: the crop out there.
Speaker 2: You know, I think Boston is the best team, but
Speaker 2: I don't think that that gap between one and two
Speaker 2: and even three is as big as we make it
Speaker 2: out to be. Sometimes, yes, Boston may be the best team,
Speaker 2: but I think you got you know, Drew Holliday there,
Speaker 2: who is a lockdown defender and a great offensive player.
Speaker 2: Brook Lopez was in the conversation for Defensive Player of
Speaker 2: the Year, and you know that's that's a that's a
Speaker 2: tough team to beat in Milwaukee. Philadelphia has a lot
Speaker 2: to play for it. We all understand the quote unquote
Speaker 2: narratives going on around that team with the players. There
Speaker 2: feels like there's a lot on Philly's plate this year
Speaker 2: to get it done. So while I do think Boston
Speaker 2: is the best team, I think it's all about matchups,
Speaker 2: and I think it's about when you get a certain
Speaker 2: team like I it would not shot me if Boston
Speaker 2: went on to the finals again this year out of
Speaker 2: the Eastern Conference. But it would not shot me if
Speaker 2: Milwaukee went, and it would not shot me if Philly
Speaker 2: somehow found a way to get it together and go,
Speaker 2: because I think they're the best three best teams in
Speaker 2: that conference, so.
Speaker 1: You're still one. So I would be I would be
Speaker 1: legitimately shocked if the Sixers beat Boston, barring injury, obviously.
Speaker 2: Here's what I'll say. Let's say Philly and Boston going
Speaker 2: to win their series, much much like you know we
Speaker 2: all expect him to. They're going to beat the Hawks,
Speaker 2: and you know Philly's going to beat the Nets at
Speaker 2: some point. My homeboy said it to me the other
Speaker 2: day when I was talking to him the phone. He
Speaker 2: lives in Philadelphia. He was like, the most important game
Speaker 2: in Philadelphia Sixers recent history hasn't even been played yet,
Speaker 2: and it potentially could be played in the second round.
Speaker 2: It would be game seven in.
Speaker 1: Him seven, Oh, in Boston game seven. We're giving him
Speaker 1: game seven.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know. He was like, it would go seven.
Speaker 2: He was like, as much as I loathe Boston, and
Speaker 2: he didn't say the word loath. He described Boston in
Speaker 2: more colorful language. He was like that that's a good team.
Speaker 2: Over there and if we could beat Boston in Game
Speaker 2: seven the next round, obviously, if it ever happens. He
Speaker 2: was like, that would be a definitive moment in Philadelphia Sixers,
Speaker 2: you know history, And I believe him.
Speaker 4: So, justin for perspective. The reason why I even brought
Speaker 4: that up and the reason why I pointed it out
Speaker 4: to Jacks. You know, Jack is a is a true
Speaker 4: diehard fan, but he's cautiously optimistic, you know. Is that
Speaker 4: a fair assessment, Jack.
Speaker 1: Man or cautiously Yeah? Yeah, I just don't. I feel
Speaker 1: like they've had the motivation to prove themselves for the
Speaker 1: past three four seasons and it just hasn't happened. So like,
Speaker 1: motivation is not the thing that I think they're lacking. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't know, we'll see. I just don't think enough
Speaker 1: has changed from last year that they're gonna suddenly put
Speaker 1: it together. They have looked good this season, it's just
Speaker 1: Boston has been a terrible matchup, and I feel like
Speaker 1: it's really all about matchups.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was.
Speaker 1: I was hoping that they would like tank down to
Speaker 1: the four seed to face Milwaukee in the second round.
Speaker 1: That's how much I am. I'm not It's not like
Speaker 1: I'm just scared of the Celtics. It's that I just
Speaker 1: think that matchup is so bad for the Sixers, and
Speaker 1: it's just so reliant on matchups like the Hawks matchup
Speaker 1: that one season that the Hawks beat them, even though
Speaker 1: they were you know, not expected to. Like they have
Speaker 1: a really hard time with really quick, good shooting teams
Speaker 1: that you know, can just run them ragged. And I
Speaker 1: don't know, I'd be surprised things have happened, man, Yeah, no,
Speaker 1: for sure. I've been looking at five thirty eight, just
Speaker 1: because they sometimes like five thirty eight is onto things
Speaker 1: a little early. I've been interested to see how much
Speaker 1: movement there has been in the in the West, Like
Speaker 1: now the Lakers are the fifth most likely to win
Speaker 1: the title according to their analytics, and they've always had
Speaker 1: Philly having a pretty decent chance assuming they make it there.
Speaker 1: I think it's like fifty five to forty five between
Speaker 1: Celtics and the Sixers, which seems too optimistic for Sixers.
Speaker 2: But what we shall see one of my favorite movies
Speaker 2: of all time once it. So you're telling me there's
Speaker 2: a that's right there? It is?
Speaker 1: All right, Let's take a quick break we'll come back.
Speaker 1: We'll talk about the Western Conference, and we're back, and
Speaker 1: I feel like we could do the whole rest of
Speaker 1: the episode about the Western Conference. I feel like we
Speaker 1: could just stop doing the Daily Zeitgeist for this week
Speaker 1: and just do the Daily Zeitgeist about the Western Conference.
Speaker 1: The Western Conference playoffs is just bonkers and super exciting. Again,
Speaker 1: we're coming to you from the distant past. So the
Speaker 1: only series that has two games played as of yet
Speaker 1: is the Warriors versus the Kings. Kings up two to oh. Unfortunately,
Speaker 1: there's not much to talk about in that series.
Speaker 2: Move on.
Speaker 1: Oh wait, wait, I mean Game one was one of
Speaker 1: the best playoff games and my recent memory really cool
Speaker 1: to see Deer and Fox finally, you know, make his
Speaker 1: playoff debut and just do what he does to the
Speaker 1: two in a thirty eight points. Game two had some
Speaker 1: moments of controversy, is what I'm hearing?
Speaker 4: What were those moments?
Speaker 1: I don't remember anything, all right.
Speaker 2: Mad don't made me stomp out of here? Man, Come on, now,
Speaker 2: stop the yard again.
Speaker 1: This is this is one where I'm taking the anti
Speaker 1: uh Internet take here. But I don't think Draymond did
Speaker 1: that on purpose. Is like it's hard. It's so I
Speaker 1: guess it's not. That's a weird way of saying. I
Speaker 1: think what happened is he got his leg caught up
Speaker 1: and then did the thing he does where he makes
Speaker 1: his body do something crazy to try and emphasize that
Speaker 1: he's getting fouled, and it ended up being a stomp.
Speaker 1: I have not been like team Draymond in most controversies
Speaker 1: in the past, Like there have been times when he
Speaker 1: has lined up the kick. You know, he saw where
Speaker 1: his eyes were like, all right, man, like what is
Speaker 1: going on? This one just felt like he what he
Speaker 1: was doing with his body is what he does whenever
Speaker 1: he feels like he's being fouled, and which is just
Speaker 1: to like kind of fling his limbs everywhere. And one
Speaker 1: of those limbs that happened to stomp.
Speaker 2: You know, here's what I hear. Look. I remember watching
Speaker 2: the game and it was it was pretty testy from
Speaker 2: the opening tip, and I remember thinking to myself, I
Speaker 2: was watching Sibonis and Draymond specifically, and I was like, Oh,
Speaker 2: they're just getting a little chippy down there. You know,
Speaker 2: they're talking to each other, you know, you know, uh,
Speaker 2: non spoken verbal communication is being said I can read
Speaker 2: body language like, Okay, this feels like if this game
Speaker 2: stays closed, something is going to happen. I did not
Speaker 2: know like all that was going to happen, but I'm like, man,
Speaker 2: it just feels like Sibonis is trying to go Draymond
Speaker 2: into one of those moments, and which is It's a
Speaker 2: brilliant ploy. It's a brilliant The playoffs are just about
Speaker 2: the the mental mind state of the game than it
Speaker 2: is the physical, if not even more so. When it happened, obviously,
Speaker 2: I saw it happened in real time, and I didn't
Speaker 2: know exactly what, you know, the totality of what it was.
Speaker 2: And then I saw the replay, I'm like, ah, well,
Speaker 2: he did grab his foot. I'm like, but he did
Speaker 2: emphasize the stump. So it's like, I get it. I
Speaker 2: understand why he got kicked out of the game, but
Speaker 2: I also understand why some bonus got the tech. But
Speaker 2: I also hope that, you know, you know, when this
Speaker 2: podcast comes out, I hope Draymond is not suspended for
Speaker 2: game too, because I need the theater. I need the drama. Uh.
Speaker 2: We already saw what happened with Draymond when he got
Speaker 2: suspended during the twenty sixteen Finals. He missed that Game five,
Speaker 2: and it quite literally changed the course of basketball history
Speaker 2: when he got suspended. I don't want that to happen here.
Speaker 2: I think the punishment was already doled out in you know,
Speaker 2: Game two, in terms of, you know, ejecting him from
Speaker 2: the game. But do I think the stump was intentional.
Speaker 2: I don't think Draymond wanted to stomp on him, But
Speaker 2: I think Draymond went full Draymond and was like screw
Speaker 2: it and like so once he got in that mind state,
Speaker 2: like you just said, I gotta let people know that
Speaker 2: somebody is wronging me over here. The only difference is
Speaker 2: when he lets people know that he's being wrong, he's
Speaker 2: also super wrong when he's letting people know he's being wronged.
Speaker 4: Yeah, gentlemen, that man a town stomped, Kurk Franklin stomped,
Speaker 4: stomped the yard.
Speaker 2: That man absolutely tries to stop.
Speaker 4: Drew Hill stomped the full jumping everything, all four of them,
Speaker 4: all three of y'all. No, he absolutely did that on purpose.
Speaker 4: But here's the reason. Here's the deal. Like, you don't
Speaker 4: suspend him for the postseason, you kicked him out of
Speaker 4: the game. That's punishment enough that that right there is
Speaker 4: punishment in itself. And let's be honest, they'll be watching him.
Speaker 4: So if he does anything wild, you know, moving forward,
Speaker 4: that'll take care of itself moving forward. But I gotta
Speaker 4: be honest with you, while you know, I completely understand
Speaker 4: and you'll understand where you're coming from Jack and giving
Speaker 4: him the benefit of the doubt kind of like the
Speaker 4: comment that I made earlier about you know, folks not
Speaker 4: giving doctor benefit of a doubt because of confirmation bias. Look, man,
Speaker 4: I've heard your records before, Draymond. I heard how you sing,
Speaker 4: I know your voice, you did it, and that's cool.
Speaker 4: But I'll also just compare it to this. It's kind
Speaker 4: of like remember the vaunted play where Shack Drop steps
Speaker 4: on Chris Dudley and then he winds up pushing him down.
Speaker 4: If you look at that play, Chris Dudley went in shocked,
Speaker 4: you know, dunks and raises his legs. He grabs him
Speaker 4: and pulls him, you know, pulls his body into him
Speaker 4: a little bit kind of put and then Shack decides, well, no, now,
Speaker 4: I'm just gonna have to ragdall you and decides to
Speaker 4: push him. Yeah, he got we he deserved because he
Speaker 4: was playing a dangerous game. That's kind of what happened,
Speaker 4: you know, in that situation and just and the only
Speaker 4: reason why it matters more now is because it's a
Speaker 4: postseason is because of Draymond.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: No, for sure, I've always thought that the shack dunk
Speaker 1: on Chris Dudley was purely accidental. You didn't see him.
Speaker 1: There's one of the funniest moments in NBA his truly.
Speaker 2: I remember that Sunday. Here's Shaq.
Speaker 1: Against Gudley.
Speaker 2: Tequil O'Neil was so powerful on that move.
Speaker 1: That Dudley Dudley because not even famine. He just got
Speaker 1: overpowered by Shaquille O'Neill.
Speaker 2: But Dudley without jowing with Shaq and threw the ball
Speaker 2: in his direction.
Speaker 4: Man, if you want to pick somebody to go with,
Speaker 4: you go right to the head.
Speaker 3: Of the class when you go after Shaq.
Speaker 1: So, Warriors, Kings, the King's up too.
Speaker 2: Oh.
Speaker 1: I think a lot of people when we recorded last week,
Speaker 1: we were heading into the playoffs, and a lot of
Speaker 1: people were picking suddenly picking the Warriors to come out
Speaker 1: of the West, which I was a little bit confused.
Speaker 1: By because they hadn't been able to win much on
Speaker 1: the road this Watching the first couple of games, the
Speaker 1: thing that keeps jumping out to me is that we're
Speaker 1: a King's team that is great offensively, struggles to say
Speaker 1: the least defensively, but have done a good job so
Speaker 1: far in the playoffs. This is actually not a bad
Speaker 1: draw because you've got a team that relies on shooting threes,
Speaker 1: and shooting threes is like such a streaky thing that
Speaker 1: can just change. And like, after Game one of that series,
Speaker 1: I was like, Okay, Like that was awesome to see
Speaker 1: the Kings win that one, But I feel like the
Speaker 1: Warriors are going to come back because they just missed
Speaker 1: a lot of open threes in that first game, and
Speaker 1: they won't miss them any open threes in game two.
Speaker 1: But that's the thing about being a three point shooting
Speaker 1: reliant team, and like, so that's why it might be
Speaker 1: a pretty good draw for them, even though everybody was
Speaker 1: kind of saying that it was the worst possible draw.
Speaker 2: Also too, you know what I've noticed through two games
Speaker 2: of this series, Man Mike Brown is coaching circles around
Speaker 2: Steve Kerr right now. It is It's ugly yeah, he's
Speaker 2: he's obviously, you know, he coached Cleveland back in the day,
Speaker 2: during the early Lebron days, and you know, he's always
Speaker 2: been a defensive minded coach. So when you have a
Speaker 2: defensive minded coach with such a great offensive team that
Speaker 2: they really compliment each other because you know, you don't
Speaker 2: really have to do too much work on the offensive end,
Speaker 2: is sure up things on the defensive end. And we
Speaker 2: see that, like I see Sacramento making more defensive adjustments
Speaker 2: than I do Golden State at this you know, at
Speaker 2: this very moment. Of course, you know, the things can
Speaker 2: change on a diamond. Who knows how this series may
Speaker 2: actually end. But in Game two, I expected Sacramento to
Speaker 2: come out with the urgency as if they were the
Speaker 2: ones down oh one, because they understand and they know
Speaker 2: if we go up too oh, which you know, of
Speaker 2: course they eventually did, if we go up too oh,
Speaker 2: that means Golden State has to win four out of
Speaker 2: the next five, and that is that's a hard ask
Speaker 2: for anybody. I don't care if you're the defending champion
Speaker 2: or not. And I read a stat earlier today where
Speaker 2: it was like Golden State is the fifth defending champion
Speaker 2: in history to go down two to ohero in the
Speaker 2: next postseason, in the first round, in the first I
Speaker 2: think in the first maybe in the first round, I think,
Speaker 2: I guess in the first round. Yeah, all four of
Speaker 2: the previous team's lost, Three of the four got swept.
Speaker 2: So game three, yeah, And I was about to say
Speaker 2: in the Oracle, but you know what I mean, Game
Speaker 2: three in San Francisco and Chase, it's not a perfectly
Speaker 2: to say that, like it's one of the most important
Speaker 2: games in this current iteration of the Golden State Warriors
Speaker 2: as we know them, because if you go down O three,
Speaker 2: I mean, even with Steph, even with Clay, even with
Speaker 2: Jordan Poole, that's it. I mean, you're not beating that
Speaker 2: Sacramento team four straight times. So Game three, it would expect,
Speaker 2: I expected to be one of the most intense. I
Speaker 2: expected to be one of the most passionate, and I
Speaker 2: expect to see a level of desperation in Golden State
Speaker 2: that they were not expecting to tap into in the
Speaker 2: first round. Maybe in the second round, definitely in the
Speaker 2: Western Conference finals or the finals if they were to
Speaker 2: make it there. But they out I think Sacramento, they
Speaker 2: smell blood in the water. They know how important this
Speaker 2: Game three is, so it's going to be very very interesting. Again,
Speaker 2: I was about to say oracle again, Chase.
Speaker 1: Just like going back to the five point thirty eight like,
Speaker 1: because that's the analytics app that is easiest for me
Speaker 1: to look at right now. The teams that I've been
Speaker 1: surprised how much and how little the wins and losses
Speaker 1: so far have affected things. They still have the Warriors
Speaker 1: with a fifty percent chance of winning this series and
Speaker 1: they're down two to oh, that's crazy. Whereas the Bucks
Speaker 1: going down one oh, they only have a fifty two
Speaker 1: percent chance according to them, of winning that series. So
Speaker 1: like they're they're seeing something in the Miami series, whereas
Speaker 1: like with the Warriors, they just expect them to come
Speaker 1: back and pull it off.
Speaker 4: Let me ask this, do we believe in there? Like
Speaker 4: I understand that you know like that that the odds
Speaker 4: are there or that they're but do we believe that?
Speaker 4: And the reason why I ask that question is it's
Speaker 4: difficult enough to beat a team four times in a
Speaker 4: calendar year, but now you got to beat them four
Speaker 4: out of five, and I recognize, like this is this
Speaker 4: is the Dubs, this is the Warriors. We've seen, we've
Speaker 4: seen their exploits. There's a desire to believe, But do
Speaker 4: you act, like, say, justin, do you actually believe that
Speaker 4: the Warriors is gonna come back and win the series?
Speaker 2: Would it surprise me? No? If they want the series,
Speaker 2: do I expect them to No? For that exact reason, bro,
Speaker 2: four out of five times four you gotta win four
Speaker 2: times and basically a week and a half against the
Speaker 2: same team who hopefully will be making adjustments. And look,
Speaker 2: they're the Warriors, man, They've been there, done that, bought
Speaker 2: several championship t shirts along this run. So I'm not
Speaker 2: counting them out at all. But if they lose Game three,
Speaker 2: this series is over. Yeah, we're doing This series is over, man,
Speaker 2: And it's just a matter of how many games would
Speaker 2: it be? With it be four, would it be five?
Speaker 2: Because let's just say they win Game three, Sacramento wins
Speaker 2: Game four, Sacramento goes back to you know, Golden one
Speaker 2: up three one. I don't see how Golden, who has
Speaker 2: been an awful, historically awful road team this year, suddenly
Speaker 2: cuts it on in that arena at that time with
Speaker 2: that much momentum going against them, So.
Speaker 1: Golden State's record on the road eleven and thirty this season.
Speaker 1: Their home record also went compared to that, thirty three
Speaker 1: and eight, like incredible, one of the best home records
Speaker 1: in the league. But we talked about this a lot
Speaker 1: during the regular season that like the West, when you
Speaker 1: looked at like the win loss on the road was
Speaker 1: like really bad for almost every team except the Sacramento
Speaker 1: Kings twenty five and sixteen on the road, So they
Speaker 1: they got it done on the road, unlike basically every
Speaker 1: other Like even the Nuggets were nineteen and twenty two,
Speaker 1: they were sub five hundred on the road. The Kings
Speaker 1: had a really solid record on the road, so they
Speaker 1: traveled well this season. We're going to see if it
Speaker 1: holds up. But like that Game three is going to
Speaker 1: be I don't know, very intriguing, you know.
Speaker 2: How sometimes the stage you can tell when it's going
Speaker 2: to be too much for like a young team, especially
Speaker 2: a young team that has never been in the playoffs,
Speaker 2: like the Sacramento Kings. I don't really see their heart
Speaker 2: punk cooler like that. I think the Aaron Fox will
Speaker 2: get up for a moment like that. I think Malik
Speaker 2: Monk would get up for a moment like that. And
Speaker 2: again we talk about this two one one theory, like
Speaker 2: it would not shock me to see like a random
Speaker 2: Trey Lyles game in Chase Harrison Barnes, Like Harrison Barnes,
Speaker 2: going back, going back to Golden State. You know, Golden
Speaker 2: State has talked about we don't panic. We've been through
Speaker 2: all of these situations. Now's the time to panic, my friends,
Speaker 2: because Game three is a must win, is a must win.
Speaker 2: Your season is on the line in Game three. That's
Speaker 2: that's not being hyperbole. That's not me trying to like
Speaker 2: hype the moment up more than what it is. This
Speaker 2: is it for the Golden State Warriors, especially Golden State
Speaker 2: Warriors with Draymond Green, because I don't think many people
Speaker 2: expect him to be back on the team next season.
Speaker 2: So like it, history feels like it's happening in real
Speaker 2: time right now. So I just hope the Golden State
Speaker 2: Warriors treated as such and don't just go into it like, oh,
Speaker 2: we're four time champions, we can cut it on whenever
Speaker 2: we want. No, you can't.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it turns out you can't, because I think you
Speaker 1: would have him game two, Yeah, if you wanted to
Speaker 1: and you lost by even more, how do we feel
Speaker 1: about the other series? I mean, Sun's Clippers is gonna
Speaker 1: there's gonna be another game by the time people.
Speaker 2: Listen to this.
Speaker 1: Same with Lakers and Grizzlies. Lakers and Grizzlies, that was
Speaker 1: the game one that showed me the most. I think
Speaker 1: we've been We've been watching talking about the Lakers a
Speaker 1: lot of this podcast, but like seeing the Lakers put
Speaker 1: it together at the moment that mattered the most. On
Speaker 1: the defensive end was pretty impressive and on the offensive end.
Speaker 1: That was another one where it's like, all right, we
Speaker 1: got our Ruie game.
Speaker 2: Got the game way in game one. Man, that's credible.
Speaker 1: I mean, but you could easily call that ad game
Speaker 1: because of how dominant he was on the defensive end.
Speaker 2: And that's what it comes down to, man, with the Lakers,
Speaker 2: the defense. Since they made those trades, they've been one
Speaker 2: of the better defensive teams in the league, like top
Speaker 2: two or top three, you know, in terms of defense.
Speaker 2: It all comes down to health, and in particular the
Speaker 2: health of Lebron James, but really in particular the health
Speaker 2: of Anthony Davis. When Anthony Davis had that stinger in
Speaker 2: his arm and we all saw him mouth I can't
Speaker 2: feel my arm. I think every Lakers fan in the
Speaker 2: world was like, damn, that's it. And that's not a
Speaker 2: fun place to live in if you're a Lakers fan,
Speaker 2: because this team has the talent to win the championship,
Speaker 2: but you just always feel like, man, is the shoe
Speaker 2: gonna drop off the other foot? Like that's a really
Speaker 2: traumatic and problematic way to be a fan. But being
Speaker 2: a fan is traumatic. So it's really all about the
Speaker 2: defense with this team, the defense and health. I think
Speaker 2: Anthony Davis if he remains healthy and prayer for le
Speaker 2: he remains healthy, because you know, I've been reading up
Speaker 2: on what the last couple of years have done for
Speaker 2: his like his mental health. You know, people can crack
Speaker 2: jokes on like social media, but this is a dude
Speaker 2: who still feels all these things, like he don't want
Speaker 2: to get hurt. Anthony Davis doesn't want to miss thirty
Speaker 2: games here and there. So I hope this is a
Speaker 2: prove it postseason for him in terms of just health.
Speaker 2: But uh yeah, man, that's the thing with the with
Speaker 2: the with the Grizzlies. You know, I love the Grizzlies,
Speaker 2: but you got you gotta watch what you ask for. Man,
Speaker 2: I'm talking about Dylan Brooks here. Oh, you know, like
Speaker 2: you're already shorthanded when it comes to your big men.
Speaker 2: Brandon Clark is gone for the season, as Steven Adams
Speaker 2: isn't coming back this season. So now you basically just
Speaker 2: have Jared Jackson Junior out there. You gotta pray he
Speaker 2: doesn't get in foul trouble. So we'll see what happens
Speaker 2: with this series. But if you're the Lakers, you're not
Speaker 2: necessarily concerned about a game plan. You're concerned about the
Speaker 2: injury report. Yeah, and trying to keep that as bear
Speaker 2: as possible.
Speaker 4: Justin you hit it on the head. I can you
Speaker 4: straight up as a Lakers fan, you find you what
Speaker 4: you have to do is you have to just come
Speaker 4: to terms with he's gonna get banged up at times
Speaker 4: and you just hope it's not bad.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it really is that simple.
Speaker 4: But when you know to your point, when he's in there,
Speaker 4: and I'll just make this point before you go to
Speaker 4: the next series, jack when he's in there, he's the
Speaker 4: most destructive force on the defensive end, and and I
Speaker 4: honestly think I recognize he's been injured off at different
Speaker 4: times in his career. But if we look back at
Speaker 4: the end of his career and he doesn't have a
Speaker 4: Defensive Player of the Year, much like Tim Duncan never
Speaker 4: won one. I think it's a travesty and just an
Speaker 4: absurdity because when he's right, they're in the mix in
Speaker 4: any conversation.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, for sure.
Speaker 3: Russell's played well since being acquired by the Lakers as
Speaker 3: Van drives, but he struggled along on a plot by Davis,
Speaker 3: swats it off the backboard Tillman fakes. Now he goes
Speaker 3: right to Davis. Another block for Davis. The average two
Speaker 3: per games are the regular season. Aldama's also in now
Speaker 3: for Memphis, Jackson Jones blocked by Davis.
Speaker 1: That's block number three already.
Speaker 2: When I've been played nine minutes.
Speaker 1: All right, and the other series, let's take a quick
Speaker 1: break and we'll come back and talk. I mean, broad strokes,
Speaker 1: Suns Clippers will be right now, and we're back and
Speaker 1: Game two of Sons Clips tips off in a matter
Speaker 1: of hours. So that's where we are. We are chronologically disadvantaged.
Speaker 1: We don't know exactly what's happened, but game one was
Speaker 1: very interesting. I think surprised a lot of people who
Speaker 1: had the Sons coming out of the West, surprised a
Speaker 1: lot of people who gave up on Westbrook. Me never me.
Speaker 1: I've always from day one, I say, you can shoot
Speaker 1: three of nineteen and still be the best player in
Speaker 1: the game coming down the stretch. There were a lot
Speaker 1: of times when he was doing these sorts of things.
Speaker 1: At the end of the game, he would just also
Speaker 1: take a terrible shot that would ultimately lose the game
Speaker 1: for the Lakers. And this was best of both worlds.
Speaker 1: He did the things that affect the game and then
Speaker 1: took only like one or two really terrible shots and
Speaker 1: got to the free throw line and made them either side.
Speaker 1: Paul gets it in. Here's Booker suns down three on
Speaker 1: the break. Here in Game one, Booker taking off west Brook,
Speaker 1: a block.
Speaker 3: By Westbrook and it frozen off a Booker.
Speaker 1: It is Clipper ball. Want to play Russell Westbrook? Did
Speaker 1: this show you enough that you're off the suns on
Speaker 1: the Clippers? Or how are you guys feeling?
Speaker 2: This is one of those series. I won't rush the
Speaker 2: judgment off Game one too much because I feel like
Speaker 2: all the key components are still there. Sayings Paul George.
Speaker 2: We knew he wasn't going to be there going into
Speaker 2: this series, whereas you know Lakers and Grizzly's we don't
Speaker 2: know the extent of Jah's injury and we know how
Speaker 2: much that changes the complexion of that and so on
Speaker 2: and so forthwar with others, but with the Suns, you
Speaker 2: I would hope going in the game too, that here's
Speaker 2: a novel concept. Get Kevin Durant the ball, and get
Speaker 2: him the ball a lot because good things Durant that
Speaker 2: there should be no reason why he has a disappearing
Speaker 2: act in the first quarter because he's not really getting
Speaker 2: the ball, and then in clutch time in the fourth
Speaker 2: quarter he's not really getting the ball, but everything in
Speaker 2: between he gives you twenty seven, nine and eleven like
Speaker 2: he can do that with his eyes closed, Phoenix. If
Speaker 2: you have Kevin Durant on your team, which you do,
Speaker 2: get him the ball in any type of scenario, good
Speaker 2: things will happen. And I hope that's the adjustment that
Speaker 2: Minnie Williams and his crew makes in Game two, because
Speaker 2: you know, we got Kawhi Leonard and Kevin Durant. This
Speaker 2: is a generational type matchup and it doesn't really happen
Speaker 2: too much. I think that there's a really good piece
Speaker 2: on ESPN dot com about that right now, just about
Speaker 2: the legacy of having these two go at it, and like,
Speaker 2: these are two of the best players of all time.
Speaker 2: Kawhi definitely a two way player and Kevin Durant you
Speaker 2: can make the argument he may be the greatest offensive
Speaker 2: player of all time. But I hope there's a commitment
Speaker 2: to this. Phoenix has so many weapons on offense, and
Speaker 2: I get that, yes, you should divvy the ball around,
Speaker 2: but when it's winning time, get the ball to your guy.
Speaker 2: And that guy is KD Trey five.
Speaker 4: I'm wondering, do you guys, I mean, this may be
Speaker 4: just an obvious yes, but you know, how much do
Speaker 4: you think it plays in there seemingly having to figure
Speaker 4: it out on the fly just because he wasn't in
Speaker 4: that lineup, you know, on the stretch of the season,
Speaker 4: because I saw a rotation out there where it was
Speaker 4: Devin Booker and none of the other guys. And that's
Speaker 4: no disrespect to NBA players, y'all know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: I didn't quite understand how you have you know, KD
Speaker 4: and you know, Chris Paul, and you're not staggering a you.
Speaker 2: Know, someway.
Speaker 4: But to that point, I came into this absolutely thinking
Speaker 4: Phoenix would win it. I did not factor in the
Speaker 4: battle on the bench is enough in my estimation because
Speaker 4: quite frankly, and it's not taking anything away or it's
Speaker 4: not a shot at money Williams. But what Tyler has
Speaker 4: shown me is that he's a master and absolute master
Speaker 4: at game planning as well as adjusting.
Speaker 1: And you know, I think I was gonna say my
Speaker 1: two big takeaways from game one is like Kawhi still
Speaker 1: has it. I slept on how good he still is
Speaker 1: even though he's you know, a little bit older and
Speaker 1: didn't play that much for the previous Yeah, exactly. But
Speaker 1: the other big takeaway Tyleru is just such a great coach. Underrated.
Speaker 2: Tyler is incredible man. And Jabbar you mentioned in terms
Speaker 2: of like end game adjustments. I don't know if there's
Speaker 2: any better coach than Tyler, so I give him any
Speaker 2: chance I get to give Tyleru all the credit in
Speaker 2: the world. I will give Tyloo all the credit in
Speaker 2: the world. And Jabbar you mentioned something too, just in
Speaker 2: terms of yes, Phoenix has the stars and the offensive
Speaker 2: higher power. They also gave up a lot of stuff
Speaker 2: in that trade to get Kevin Durant, but they still
Speaker 2: have the firepower there. But there's a familiarity with the
Speaker 2: Clippers that's not there with the Suns. Yes, they've only
Speaker 2: played eight or nine games with Kevin Durant, Whereas this
Speaker 2: is the most basketball we've seen Kawhi Leonard play in
Speaker 2: what two three seasons, and I believe he played going
Speaker 2: into the playoffs. He played I believe thirty two of
Speaker 2: the last thirty seven games going into the playoffs. So
Speaker 2: there's a consistency there within that offense even without Paul George,
Speaker 2: because it's like, okay, well until Paul George gets back,
Speaker 2: here's how we're going to funnel and facilitate the offense.
Speaker 2: And of course it goes through Kawhi and you saw
Speaker 2: that in Game one. Kawhi like he doesn't have the
Speaker 2: prettiest jump shot in the world, but I swear every
Speaker 2: time he shot it just goes in. Like it like
Speaker 2: that little line drive shot that like Kobe used to
Speaker 2: have in the early parts of his career. I'm like,
Speaker 2: it's not going in, but when it goes in, every
Speaker 2: time and Kawhi is one of the best big game
Speaker 2: players that we'll ever see in basketball. So where a
Speaker 2: lot of people were saying, like, oh, I want to
Speaker 2: avoid the Suns in the first round. I don't really talk,
Speaker 2: but if you try to really go inside of his head, cool,
Speaker 2: I didn't really care who he's playing basketball, bro, and
Speaker 2: it shows. So who knows what's gonna happen in Game
Speaker 2: two except y'all that are listening.
Speaker 1: His shot has so much backspin on it sometimes I'm
Speaker 1: afraid it's going to like create a wormhole and go
Speaker 1: back in time.
Speaker 4: It's because his hands wrap around the ball.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, he couldn't. The fact that he couldn't shoot
Speaker 1: at all when he came into the league and is
Speaker 1: now this good a shooter is you know, it gives
Speaker 1: Ben Simmons fans like myself hope that will never.
Speaker 2: I don't know if that's gonna happen.
Speaker 1: Get trade to the Spurs. That's what Wolves, Nuggets. The
Speaker 1: Nuggets looked amazing Game one. I still think the Nuggets
Speaker 1: are slept on a little bit, uh, just because everybody's
Speaker 1: too excited about all these other series with the bigger
Speaker 1: stars and the Nuggets are terrifying.
Speaker 4: Yokich wasn't even at its best, and I think he
Speaker 4: fouls out in that game and they still blow him
Speaker 4: out by thirty Yeah, like, no disrespect, but all disrespect.
Speaker 2: I'm hoping that series is not one of those series
Speaker 2: that's like, why are you at game six right now?
Speaker 2: Why did you just close this out of game four? Like, yeah,
Speaker 2: let's let's not prolong this. We already know how this
Speaker 2: is going to end.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I mean I could see them taken at
Speaker 1: least one because Aunt has still not really done anything,
Speaker 1: and yeah, sure that's happening at some point. All right,
Speaker 1: rapid fire. This is just the fastest segment in podcasting.
Speaker 1: First thought, best thought, Jabar, you want to kick us off?
Speaker 2: All right? You ready?
Speaker 1: Oh well, you're just gonna take it like that. You're
Speaker 1: not even gonna oh.
Speaker 4: Well, I mean he look, we're usually like no, you
Speaker 4: go no, Justin, do you have a preference as to
Speaker 4: who asks you the question first?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 1: No, I'm secure. Wow, okay, fine, Jack, all right, you
Speaker 1: gotta are you sure?
Speaker 2: I'm certain?
Speaker 1: It just seemed like you really needed this one. All right, No,
Speaker 1: that's cool, all right, Justin? Is there a single NBA
Speaker 1: player you would take right now over the chance of
Speaker 1: taking Victor Webbing Yama with the first pick this summer.
Speaker 2: It's currently in the NBA right now. Yes, I would
Speaker 2: say probably the only one that I would take. It's
Speaker 2: probably honest.
Speaker 4: That's everybody's answer.
Speaker 1: That's been the answer. But the fact that it takes
Speaker 1: people as much time as it does is so crazy.
Speaker 1: Because Wemby Yama like that's as well. I think that's
Speaker 1: the right answer too.
Speaker 2: It is like we can be real about that.
Speaker 4: But outside of him, no, give me Wimby.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I think like Jokich has been pretty good.
Speaker 2: I guess.
Speaker 1: Uh, he's one two m vps and a and he's
Speaker 1: pretty young still.
Speaker 4: But just what Jack is doing is this is supposed
Speaker 4: to be rapid fire. He is prolonging it, waiting for
Speaker 4: you to stop him.
Speaker 1: Oh, what I was saying was really interesting, but you
Speaker 1: go ahead, Jabari.
Speaker 4: Well, for the record, officially it was very interesting, Jack,
Speaker 4: I want you yeah, all right, but keep it going,
Speaker 4: all right? What is your favorite NBA city to visit
Speaker 4: and what is your must have meal in that town?
Speaker 2: Ooh, my favorite NBA city to visit would probably be
Speaker 2: it's my favorite city period in New Orleans. Yeah, and
Speaker 2: first place I go to whenever I go to New Orleans,
Speaker 2: I gotta go to Drago's and get the chogger rolled oysters. Yes, please,
Speaker 2: I have to. I have to. Mm hmm, Okay, New Orleans.
Speaker 1: I'm What is your boldest postseason prediction for this year?
Speaker 2: The Knicks mess around and make the conference finals.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 2: Hey, if.
Speaker 4: I could see that, I could see that path.
Speaker 2: Man. Look, Jalen Brunson is a beautiful When I say this,
Speaker 2: I don't mean this as any disrespect, you know, and
Speaker 2: in football, when you call somebody a game manager is
Speaker 2: like a step down for a quarterback. I think Jalen
Speaker 2: Brunson is one of the greatest game managers in the
Speaker 2: game today. I love his game and I don't think
Speaker 2: he's scared him. We see how important of a player
Speaker 2: he is. Look where Dallas is right now, and look
Speaker 2: where the Knicks are right now. So yeah, my boldest prediction,
Speaker 2: the Knicks make the Eastern Conference Finals.
Speaker 1: We've talked before about teams having like gravitational equilibrium, like
Speaker 1: where like you know, Lebron for a certain run of
Speaker 1: his career, just any team he was on was going
Speaker 1: to be in the finals. That was just like where
Speaker 1: he goes, well maybe Jalen Brunson. It turns out he
Speaker 1: just wants to be in the conference finals one way
Speaker 1: or another. That's where he's gonna end up.
Speaker 2: Kind of like one way, he's gonna get you there.
Speaker 2: He's not gonna talk a lot, but he'll get you there.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's that's pretty cool. And he has been awesome
Speaker 1: to watch this season.
Speaker 2: All right, this was for the money. This is where
Speaker 2: this is the one that matters the most. Okay, Jack,
Speaker 2: where Jabari the one who starts their name with the
Speaker 2: letter j M including myself.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, so we're all winners triple J. We are
Speaker 1: the defensive player of the year. Yeah, yeah, that's right.
Speaker 2: I can't pick between y'all because I want to come
Speaker 2: back on the show man and I'm not trying to
Speaker 2: create any bad blood and burn some bridges out the door.
Speaker 1: No bad blood whatsoever.
Speaker 4: I understand pick Jack.
Speaker 2: I'm still going to ask.
Speaker 1: You very close to lifetime ban, sir.
Speaker 2: I don't need that, man, I love it too much. Here.
Speaker 1: Well, it was great having you as always.
Speaker 2: Thank you fellas.
Speaker 1: Where can people find you? Read you?
Speaker 2: All that stuff you found me on social media? It's
Speaker 2: very easy to find me. It's actually my name at
Speaker 2: Justin Tinsley at Twitter, on Instagram. You read my work
Speaker 2: on The Aandscape dot com. You can see me on
Speaker 2: Around the Horn at least once a week. I'm a
Speaker 2: regular panelist on there on ESPN daily for a few
Speaker 2: episodes and one of the rotating hosts that they have
Speaker 2: on there now that Pabulo Torri has since moved on
Speaker 2: to bigger and better things. Yeah, that's that's where you
Speaker 2: can find me. I'm always around, though, I try to
Speaker 2: stay as active as it can.
Speaker 1: Nice. Well, thank you so much.
Speaker 4: Make sure you check out Lebron's Power please. It's fantastic series. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 4: I appreciate that that.
Speaker 2: It's a series that definitely got going on at ndscape
Speaker 2: dot com that examines Lebron's impact off the court just
Speaker 2: in terms of variety of fashions. So it's been really
Speaker 2: fun working on that series throughout the entire season. I'm
Speaker 2: glad the Lakers turned it around because for a while
Speaker 2: I was like, man, they're really going to miss the
Speaker 2: playoffs and I got this whole like dope figures going
Speaker 2: on a battle, but hey love, hey, look guy, watch
Speaker 2: over babies and fools, and I ain't been a baby
Speaker 2: in a long time, so.
Speaker 1: I love it all right. Well, make sure you give
Speaker 1: us a follow on Twitter at mad Boosti's that is
Speaker 1: going to do it for us. This week, go watch
Speaker 1: the NBA playoffs. We'll be coming to you with a
Speaker 1: quicker turnaround going forward, so you can look forward to that.
Speaker 1: And we're back next week. Bye bye.