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<v Speaker 1>Hi, I'm Molly John Fast and this is Fast Politics,

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<v Speaker 1>where we discussed the top political headlines with some of

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<v Speaker 1>today's best minds. And the Biden administration has banned unpaid

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<v Speaker 1>a great show for you today, The Mary Trump Shows

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<v Speaker 1>Own Mary Trump stops by to talk about what Trump

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<v Speaker 1>tool point OH may look like. Then we'll talk to

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<v Speaker 1>the Shadow Docket author Steven Gladock about the Supreme Court's

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<v Speaker 1>upcoming decision on corporate transparency.

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<v Speaker 2>But first the.

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<v Speaker 3>News Smili, Happy new year to you and the listeners.

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<v Speaker 3>We're back in full force again.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, and we're back and not a moment too soon.

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<v Speaker 3>So let's talk about I would say my least favorite

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<v Speaker 3>social network, Meta and the Facebook. I'm going to shock

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<v Speaker 3>you here. When wearing nine hundred thousand dollars watches to

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<v Speaker 3>press conferences, Mark Zuckerberg continues as a cent into doing

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<v Speaker 3>bad things.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so it turns out that if you don't regulate

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<v Speaker 1>tech companies, they do not regulate themselves.

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<v Speaker 2>Who could have seen this coming? Who could have.

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<v Speaker 1>Seen absolutely not regulating companies and then them just doing

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<v Speaker 1>whatever the fuck they want?

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<v Speaker 3>Definitely not numerous segments we taped on this podcast.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, Meta is embracing trump Ism. And while the poor

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<v Speaker 1>Man's Elon Mark Zuckerberg was often pretended to be a Democrat,

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<v Speaker 1>it turns out that being a billionaire is its own

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<v Speaker 1>special religion, its own political party, and so basically Met

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<v Speaker 1>has gone all in on Trump. They have added Dana

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<v Speaker 1>White to their board because it was easier than adding Eric.

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<v Speaker 1>They are no longer going to fact check in fact,

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<v Speaker 1>they're just going to have community notes. And the reason

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<v Speaker 1>they're going to do this is because it's cheaper and

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<v Speaker 1>also because it's what Republicans want. And also they're going

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<v Speaker 1>to move their jurisdictions. Shockingly, you'll be shocked to hear

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<v Speaker 1>from the state of California to the state where all

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<v Speaker 1>Republicans love love to be where you and I know

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<v Speaker 1>it well, the state of Texas, where Elon is a

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<v Speaker 1>special VIP and the judges do a lot of stuff

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<v Speaker 1>that the right really loves.

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<v Speaker 3>I think one of the things that really full under

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<v Speaker 3>the radar is that former UK Conservative Nick Craig left

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<v Speaker 3>Meta and then they replaced him with Republican Joel Kaplan,

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<v Speaker 3>who I'm sure is going to just help that fever

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<v Speaker 3>swamp of misinformation to just brewin brew and brew over

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<v Speaker 3>on Facebook.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean, Nick Laid, let's get too high on

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<v Speaker 1>our own supply here. All these people care only about

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<v Speaker 1>one thing, which is meta making more money for zuck

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<v Speaker 1>You know however that works. But I would like to

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<v Speaker 1>say that Zuckerberg since he's become red pill, and by redpilled,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean whatever, who the fuck cares?

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<v Speaker 2>This guy sucks.

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<v Speaker 1>Zuckerberg cited the recent election as a driving force in

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<v Speaker 1>his company's decision, slamming government. Yeah, the government that didn't

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<v Speaker 1>regulate him at all. With that government, very mad at them,

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<v Speaker 1>and Legacy media, which he killed as pushing the company

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<v Speaker 1>to censor more and more. Yeah, sure, sure, good stuff,

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<v Speaker 1>Mark Zuckerberg. You'll remember Facebook had some involvement in the

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<v Speaker 1>Rhingen genocide. Looking forward to see what other crimes of

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<v Speaker 1>humanity they are able to help with during the Trump

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<v Speaker 1>two point zero.

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<v Speaker 3>Speaking of the hells Gate, Molly, we're back to someone.

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<v Speaker 3>I thank god. I bear no relationship to District Judge

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<v Speaker 3>Aileen Kennon and her latest decision to help mister Trump.

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<v Speaker 4>What are you seeing here, Aileen?

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<v Speaker 1>She is auditioning for a job on the Supreme Court.

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<v Speaker 1>Because every time she has a minute, she does whatever

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<v Speaker 1>she can to help her man, Donald Trump. You'll remember

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<v Speaker 1>she was the judge for the document's case, and what

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<v Speaker 1>did you do? She just was like, my guys, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>and now here we are. She has an order to

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<v Speaker 1>prevent Smith and the Justice Department from moving forward with

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<v Speaker 1>releasing the report until the Twelfth Circuit Court of Appeals

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<v Speaker 1>has time to review the emergency motion by Trump's co

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<v Speaker 1>defendants to block the reports released. So probably a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of stuff has been seen, maybe some of it hasn't. Again,

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<v Speaker 1>Trump has successfully used lawyers to punt all of his

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<v Speaker 1>legal travails. Now he's going to be president again, it's

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<v Speaker 1>hard to think of. You know, this is what happens

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<v Speaker 1>when you're affluent and you're white and you can afford

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<v Speaker 1>endless lawyers, is that you can put off punishment indefinitely.

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<v Speaker 2>And that is where we are.

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<v Speaker 1>So Judge jay Leen has her you know, she may

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<v Speaker 1>have her own motive for this, for her own career,

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<v Speaker 1>but this is certainly not how any of this is supposed.

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<v Speaker 3>To work, So Molly. One of the more weird sense

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<v Speaker 3>of Trump's recent thoughts since the election has been that

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<v Speaker 3>he's going to control of the Panama Canal and annex Greenland. Today,

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<v Speaker 3>in an interview, he said he would not rule out

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<v Speaker 3>using military force for it.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean I was elected to make things cheaper, right,

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<v Speaker 1>that was what the voters wanted him to make things cheaper.

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<v Speaker 1>They wanted him to curb inflation. Here's how not to

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<v Speaker 1>do that. Invade Greenland. I try to annex Canada. Look,

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<v Speaker 1>I think this is in troll. Trump really loves to

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<v Speaker 1>get libs angry, wants them to seem hysterical, wants them

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<v Speaker 1>to see you know, this is this Steve Bannon flood.

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<v Speaker 1>The zone was shit thing where you have so many

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<v Speaker 1>things going on and so many dangers from Trump that

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<v Speaker 1>you can't tell the forest from the tree. Is I

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<v Speaker 1>truly believe that Donald Trump is not going to go

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<v Speaker 1>to war with Canada. And I think that it's more

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<v Speaker 1>important that people focus on his nominees, you know, and

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<v Speaker 1>pressuring members of the Senate to use their Article to

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<v Speaker 1>duty to really hold good hearings about people like Cash Battel,

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<v Speaker 1>and not worry about Trump invading Greenland because nobody wants that.

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<v Speaker 1>He was not elected to do that, and the whole

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<v Speaker 1>idea that he would change the name to the Gulf

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<v Speaker 1>of America from the Gulf of Mexico. It's a troll.

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<v Speaker 1>I really think it's worth not falling for it.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, well, in fun, you and I are the biggest

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<v Speaker 3>fans of Palace intrigue. But I do have to say

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<v Speaker 3>I'm popping the popcorn for a thing that we all

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<v Speaker 3>inevitably knew would happened, which is Maggie Haberman saying that

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<v Speaker 3>Trump is quite sick of Elon being around.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, we've seen this reported everywhere, but mag he

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<v Speaker 1>is the person who really does know what's going on

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<v Speaker 1>in Morlago, unfortunately for her, because I don't know how

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<v Speaker 1>great it is to know that kind of stuff. But

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<v Speaker 1>there has never been room and Trump one point h

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<v Speaker 1>for a co president, and it's hard for me to

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<v Speaker 1>imagine that Trump will start now.

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<v Speaker 2>Now.

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<v Speaker 1>Elon is very distracted by trying to manage elections in

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<v Speaker 1>other countries. I think he feels that his success with

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<v Speaker 1>Trump has given him a kind of Perhaps he's really

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<v Speaker 1>good at politics, and he can get far right parties

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<v Speaker 1>installed in all of the major countries. I think that

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<v Speaker 1>if you watch his Twitter is what he's trying to do.

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<v Speaker 1>I wonder how much any of that will work for him.

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<v Speaker 1>But I do think if Trump, I think Trump is

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<v Speaker 1>going to get sick of him and he has you know,

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<v Speaker 1>he's the richest guy in the world, controls all these satellites,

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<v Speaker 1>controls all of these government contractors.

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<v Speaker 2>Something's got to give.

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<v Speaker 3>Let us.

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<v Speaker 1>Mary Trump is the host of The Mary Trump Show

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<v Speaker 1>the author of Who Could Ever Love You?

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<v Speaker 2>A family memoir. Welcome back to Fast Politics, Mary.

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<v Speaker 5>Trump, Hello, Molly dog Fast.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm glad to have you here because we laugh to

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<v Speaker 1>keep from crying.

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<v Speaker 6>Yes, indeed, we're doing it already.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, we're doing it already.

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<v Speaker 1>And it's not because we don't see the seriousness of

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<v Speaker 1>this moment. In fact, we absolutely do see the seriousness

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<v Speaker 1>of this moment, which is why I honestly I love

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<v Speaker 1>you and we're friends, and I know how much you

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<v Speaker 1>hate doing the media stuff that I make you do here.

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<v Speaker 5>Well hate is a strong word, but you know.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean this is like I think of you as

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<v Speaker 1>understanding the States and also being here because you feel

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<v Speaker 1>that you must.

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<v Speaker 5>Yes, I think that's fair.

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<v Speaker 1>First, I want to talk about how we feel we've

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<v Speaker 1>been failed, because I have done a lot of talking

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<v Speaker 1>about the ways in which I have failed people. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>I feel that I was wrong about the election. I

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<v Speaker 1>feel that I was overly optimistic. I had a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of priors that I used information to confirm. Now I

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<v Speaker 1>would like you to talk, because I think of you

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<v Speaker 1>as thoughtful and also courageous about the ways in which

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<v Speaker 1>we feel we've been failed, first by the mainstream media,

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<v Speaker 1>of which there are numerous ways, and then by Democrats

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<v Speaker 1>more broadly. So talk to me about how the media

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<v Speaker 1>has failed us.

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<v Speaker 5>I want to start with yesterday one because it's top

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<v Speaker 5>of mind for obvious reasons.

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<v Speaker 7>It was yesterday, so we've got a recncy bias going on,

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<v Speaker 7>but also because it was, up until four years ago,

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<v Speaker 7>the anniversary of a completely mundane ceremonial process that most

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<v Speaker 7>Americans didn't even.

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<v Speaker 5>Know existed, which was simply the certification of the Electoral

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<v Speaker 5>College votes to make official whoever was the winner of

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<v Speaker 5>the presidential election. Now it's a different anniversary.

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<v Speaker 7>It is the anniversary of, you know, Donald's attempt to

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<v Speaker 7>overturn the results of a free and fair election, which

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<v Speaker 7>resulted in a mob attacking the capital. And I think

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<v Speaker 7>what we've learned in large part because of media complacency,

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<v Speaker 7>because of media corporate media's compulsion.

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<v Speaker 5>I guess to.

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<v Speaker 7>Normalize the abnormal as long as it benefits Republicans.

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<v Speaker 5>We learned the answer to a very.

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<v Speaker 7>Important question that practically nobody was asking, which is, was

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<v Speaker 7>the insurrection Donald incited on January sixth, twenty twenty one successful?

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<v Speaker 7>And yesterday, as his electoral College victory was certified without

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<v Speaker 7>incident with the usual ceremony and banality.

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<v Speaker 5>We learned that the answer to that question is yes,

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<v Speaker 5>it did.

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<v Speaker 7>So I do not think there is enough condemnation to

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<v Speaker 7>go around for the fact that this magic, monumentally history

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<v Speaker 7>altering incident on January sixth was memory hold, was made benign,

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<v Speaker 7>was turned into a pro Republican talking point in what

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<v Speaker 7>universe is that possible?

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<v Speaker 5>So I lay that mostly at the.

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<v Speaker 7>Feet of the Republican Party, of course, because they actually

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<v Speaker 7>had the power to do something about it.

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<v Speaker 5>I lay it at the feet of Merrick Garland.

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<v Speaker 7>Again, for those of you listening, if you've forgotten who

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<v Speaker 7>Merrick Garland was, it's completely unoffendable. As far as I understand,

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<v Speaker 7>he was Attorney General of the United States, who still

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<v Speaker 7>has two weeks to score us over.

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<v Speaker 5>But we'll get to that later. But also the media

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<v Speaker 5>who just lost interest, like.

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<v Speaker 7>The idea that Donald was presented as a normal, reasonable

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<v Speaker 7>candidate for the presidency without every single opening, you know,

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<v Speaker 7>lead paragraph and every article about him mentioning that he's

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<v Speaker 7>a perpetrate or the big lie, a man who incited

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<v Speaker 7>an insurrection against his own government is an adjudicated rapist,

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<v Speaker 7>on and on and on and on. Is one of

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<v Speaker 7>the greatest, gravest failures I've ever witnessed. Yeah, so that's

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<v Speaker 7>one big way the media has failed. It's not new,

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<v Speaker 7>but it's also hasn't always been this way. The focusing

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<v Speaker 7>on the horse race and ignoring the stakes of things,

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<v Speaker 7>just the failure to fact check, as if that were

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<v Speaker 7>some onerous task that's not the business of journalists right right, again,

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<v Speaker 7>all of which redounds to the benefit of the party

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<v Speaker 7>that's trying to get away with a line all the time.

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<v Speaker 1>I Mean, what I am struck by is the way

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<v Speaker 1>in which billionaires are not good stewards for the mainstream media.

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<v Speaker 1>Is that weird shocked in which that is really amazing.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, we were told in early years Trump one point,

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<v Speaker 1>oh that billionaires would save the media because they were

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<v Speaker 1>deeply patriotic and in fact they just completely suck. And also,

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<v Speaker 1>I might add, with the exception of Mark Cuban, who

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<v Speaker 1>I think has done some good stuff, but is also

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<v Speaker 1>not willing to buy the Washington Post.

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<v Speaker 2>And you know, like you think.

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<v Speaker 1>About Catherine Graham during the period known as Watergate, Trump

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<v Speaker 1>one point oh made Watergate look like Lincoln. Trump two

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<v Speaker 1>point oh will make Watergate right. Look, you know, like

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<v Speaker 1>the teapot dome scandal. I'm going to get somebody writing

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<v Speaker 1>into me about the true horribleness of the teapot dome.

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<v Speaker 2>Probably right. But the point here.

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<v Speaker 1>Is that the grand family provided the kind of moral

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<v Speaker 1>compass that the Washington Post needed in order to bring

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<v Speaker 1>down the Nixon administration. The Bezos owned Washington Post, in fact,

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<v Speaker 1>is largely against that kind of journalism, with some exceptions

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<v Speaker 1>we'll see what happens. But they have been, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>largely very much for supporting Trump and his machinations and voluntarily.

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<v Speaker 5>I think you could argue that.

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<v Speaker 7>The million dollars that Bezos, Zuckerberg, Tim Cook and others

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<v Speaker 7>have given to Donald's inauguration is kind of a ransom,

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<v Speaker 7>you know, yes, exactly, because none of them gave money

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<v Speaker 7>to Joe Biden or you who did gave much less, right,

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<v Speaker 7>So why because they.

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<v Speaker 5>Knew that Biden, no matter what they did, Biden wasn't.

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<v Speaker 7>Going to go after them. But they know that Donald will.

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<v Speaker 7>But they're going beyond and above and beyond the call.

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<v Speaker 7>Because if we talk about media, we also have to

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<v Speaker 7>talk about social media.

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<v Speaker 5>Bezos's Amazon is throwing forty million, setting forty million dollars

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<v Speaker 5>on fire to promote a Milania Trump documentary, which I

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<v Speaker 5>don't think there's a big audience for that, but I

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<v Speaker 5>mean I could be wrong.

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<v Speaker 2>It hard for me to imagine. I mean, what are

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<v Speaker 2>they doing?

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<v Speaker 5>It'd be lucky if they could fill the movie theater

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<v Speaker 5>at mar A Lago for that one.

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<v Speaker 2>Who wants it? Does even Mlani want that?

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<v Speaker 5>Well, she probably wants the forty million bucks?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, come on, yeah exactly. It's a good point.

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<v Speaker 7>We've got Musk now saying on Twitter he's they're going

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<v Speaker 7>to be promoting quote unquote positive posts and suppressing negative posts.

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<v Speaker 5>We know what that means, and now meta isn't good

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<v Speaker 5>to fact check anymore. Right Again, all of which were

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<v Speaker 5>downs to uh, the person and the party that means

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<v Speaker 5>to do us the most hard.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, But I want to point out here we are

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<v Speaker 1>at this moment where government regulation like government said we're

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<v Speaker 1>not going to regulate tech companies for any number of

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<v Speaker 1>reasons they did. They said, we're not going to regulate tech,

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<v Speaker 1>We're going to let tech regulate itself. And Tech decided

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<v Speaker 1>not to regulate itself because why the fuck would they.

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<v Speaker 1>Now we have Meta saying that they're going to put

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<v Speaker 1>they're not going to fact check, and they're going to

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<v Speaker 1>put Dana White on the board of Meta because Dana

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<v Speaker 1>White is why why do you put Dana White on

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<v Speaker 1>the board of Meta? Because you love wrestling or boxing

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<v Speaker 1>or whatever sport it is. He does what sport is it?

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<v Speaker 5>It's not wrestling, It's it's like MMA, but it's.

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<v Speaker 2>Not Yes UFC.

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<v Speaker 1>You put Daana White and which the two of us

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<v Speaker 1>are like, I'm like, it's boxing, it's wrestling. You put

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<v Speaker 1>Data White board of Meta because you love fighting, and

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<v Speaker 1>that is why No, you put Dana White on the

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<v Speaker 1>board of Meta because Dana White is a Trump or

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<v Speaker 1>and you want Trump to love you, and you think

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<v Speaker 1>that if you put Dana White on your board, it's

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<v Speaker 1>a little less obvious than putting Junior on the board,

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<v Speaker 1>But you probably should have just put Junior on the

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<v Speaker 1>board discussing on well.

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<v Speaker 5>He's in Greenland, so he's busy.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm having a real serious conversation about this idea that

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<v Speaker 1>you have to cover Trump and you shouldn't sainwash Trump. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>but also you should not swing at every punch, and

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<v Speaker 1>so the Gulf of America is never going to happen,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's better to just say Trump is saying, like,

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<v Speaker 1>if you think about that press conference that Trump had yesterday,

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<v Speaker 1>because you're listening to this today and today is Wednesday

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<v Speaker 1>when this podcast comes out. If you are listening to

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<v Speaker 1>this podcast and you're thinking about that unhinged presser, the

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<v Speaker 1>first of many of the Trump two point zero unhinged pressers,

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<v Speaker 1>if you're thinking about it, think about focus on the

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<v Speaker 1>part where he said he wasn't going to be able

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<v Speaker 1>to bring prices down because it was really hard, versus

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<v Speaker 1>the fact that he was going to make it the

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<v Speaker 1>Gulf of America versus the Golf of Mexico.

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<v Speaker 2>Agree, disagree, and discuss.

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah, I completely agree with you that we cannot let

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<v Speaker 7>everything get our it hooks into us. We should know

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<v Speaker 7>by now that all of his rantings and ramblings do

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<v Speaker 7>not equally matter, and that much of the strategy is

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<v Speaker 7>to overwhelm us, is to exhaust us and demoralize us.

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<v Speaker 7>And you know, we don't do ourselves any favors. And

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<v Speaker 7>you know, sometimes like there are things that he might

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<v Speaker 7>be serious about and that might actually have serious implications,

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<v Speaker 7>but you know, we can't do anything about that. We

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<v Speaker 7>can't do anything about the fact that cash Pttel might

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<v Speaker 7>be director of the FBI. I mean, Democrats good have

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<v Speaker 7>but they decided it wasn't worth their while. I guess

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<v Speaker 7>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>And they can't. They still can't. Right, Well, let's.

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<v Speaker 2>Go back to that, but continue and then we'll go

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<v Speaker 2>back to that.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, so he's ranting about the Gulf of America.

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<v Speaker 7>If I you're one more person post one of his

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<v Speaker 7>posts and say, oh, he's really losing it now.

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<v Speaker 5>Well he's been losing for seventy years, Okay, so what

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<v Speaker 5>Oh he's really unhinged, like it's a day ending and

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<v Speaker 5>why Yeah, Like, we can't do that anymore, right, we can't.

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<v Speaker 7>Analyze everything like because you know, the main reason, besides

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<v Speaker 7>the fact that it's a waste of our energy, what

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<v Speaker 7>I learned they're at this selection is nobody cares Nobody

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<v Speaker 7>cares if he's mentally ill. Nobody cares if he is

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<v Speaker 7>neurologically impaired. Nobody cares how many times he lies or

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<v Speaker 7>how many times he got convicted of crimes or what

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<v Speaker 7>he got away with.

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<v Speaker 5>Nobody cares. This is what enough people in America wanted,

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<v Speaker 5>So here we are.

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<v Speaker 1>And I would also add, for example, people don't necessarily

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<v Speaker 1>care that he's a narcissist, like he's a narcissist, but

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<v Speaker 1>you know, I want to point out like a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of people are narciss a lot of politicians are narcissists,

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<v Speaker 1>and a lot.

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<v Speaker 6>Of most yeah, eactly, and a lot.

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<v Speaker 2>Of celebrities are a narcissists. Why Trump, I think got.

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<v Speaker 1>Reelected was because people for a number of reasons, but

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<v Speaker 1>part of it was that the anti Trump coalition did

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<v Speaker 1>not come out for Harris. Now I'm not sure that's

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<v Speaker 1>Harris's fault as much as it's the fault of a

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<v Speaker 1>coalition that has very specific ideas of what a president

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<v Speaker 1>should look like or what they want a president to

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<v Speaker 1>look like. But I want to point out here that

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<v Speaker 1>as we're looking at this, what I think is really

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<v Speaker 1>relevant and important is that they said things were too expensive.

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<v Speaker 1>A lot of voters said they didn't like that things

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<v Speaker 1>were more expensive. They didn't like that three hundred dollars

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<v Speaker 1>worth of groceries didn't.

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<v Speaker 2>Look the way it did four years ago. They didn't

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<v Speaker 2>like that.

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<v Speaker 1>They wanted more groceries for three hundred dollars, two hundred dollars,

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<v Speaker 1>whatever the amount of money you pay weekly for groceries.

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<v Speaker 1>They wanted more. This, in my head, is the mandate

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<v Speaker 1>that he was given. Not a huge mandate, but he

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<v Speaker 1>did win the popular vote. So here he is at

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<v Speaker 1>this press conference saying what all of us knew when

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<v Speaker 1>he was running for office, which is you can't really

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<v Speaker 1>make things less expensive.

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<v Speaker 7>Well, and kind of what's worse is that corporate media

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<v Speaker 7>knew that too. Corporate media now telling us how brilliant

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<v Speaker 7>the binding economy was. They did not bother to tell

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<v Speaker 7>us that in the run up to the election. And also, yeah,

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<v Speaker 7>so again it's all based on smoke and mirrors.

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<v Speaker 5>And the problem really is that not only.

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<v Speaker 7>Will the people who voted for him not get what

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<v Speaker 7>they wanted, they and all of us are going to

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<v Speaker 7>get a lot.

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<v Speaker 5>Of things that they did not.

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<v Speaker 7>Want, exactly with Greenland, for example.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so let's talk about Democrats, because I think you

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<v Speaker 1>have a really good point before when you were talking

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<v Speaker 1>about how are Democrats going to oppose the really scary

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<v Speaker 1>nominees and who are the scariest of the nominees. So,

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<v Speaker 1>for example, Donald Trump has decided that he would like

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<v Speaker 1>Cash Pattel to be the head of the FBI. Cash Pattel,

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<v Speaker 1>author of the famous nuna's memo, has been around national

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<v Speaker 1>security on the Republican House side, written a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>really crazy stuff. Is in my mind, the scariest of

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<v Speaker 1>the picks.

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<v Speaker 7>Discuss let's narrow down to the four obvious ones Tulsa

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<v Speaker 7>gottwerd As A d and I peteg Seth a DoD

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<v Speaker 7>Bob Kennedy.

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<v Speaker 5>And Health and Human Services Cashpitel. F In the context

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<v Speaker 5>of Cash Battel, he's dangerous because he will.

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<v Speaker 7>Absolutely be the guy going down the enemy's list and

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<v Speaker 7>wreaking advetage.

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<v Speaker 5>He has no other qualifications for this job.

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<v Speaker 7>In fact, he is a purveyor of the conspiracy theory

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<v Speaker 7>that the FBI was behind.

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<v Speaker 5>January sixth, which suggests to me.

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<v Speaker 7>That he's going to use that totally insane lie as

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<v Speaker 7>an excuse to clean out the FBI.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and there's a scary historical president for the FBI

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<v Speaker 1>hunting enemies of the president, which we saw in Nixon,

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<v Speaker 1>and it could be a Hoover Redox.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 7>Plus, of course, the FBI under him will ignore the

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<v Speaker 7>greatest threat internally to America, which is domestic terrorism perpetrated

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<v Speaker 7>by mostly white men.

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<v Speaker 2>And that is a real worry too.

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<v Speaker 7>Yes, so whether again, I think they're uniquely dangerous in

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<v Speaker 7>their capacities. You put Tulsea Gabbart as in his Director

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<v Speaker 7>of National Intelligence, our allies stop sharing classified information with US.

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<v Speaker 2>Right for sure? Oh, no question, no question.

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<v Speaker 7>You know, you put Kennedy in Health and Human Services,

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<v Speaker 7>you know, buy stock and Ireland's right.

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<v Speaker 5>We're going to make polio great again.

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<v Speaker 7>And Haig Seth, well, jeez, you know, there's so many

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<v Speaker 7>problems with heys, but honestly, the biggest one considering the

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<v Speaker 7>job is he is abjectly unqualified to one organization of

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<v Speaker 7>what three.

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<v Speaker 5>Million employees or something like that. Got can't even you know,

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<v Speaker 5>stays Ober.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>There are a lot of nominees, and I do think

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<v Speaker 1>that if Democrats are smart, they will focus on In

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<v Speaker 1>my mind, the single most worrying candidate is a cash Battel.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, I think that's fair. But luckily for us, we

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<v Speaker 5>don't have to choose right exactly.

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<v Speaker 1>But you know, and the question is, Republicans can only

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<v Speaker 1>afford to lose three votes. So can Murkowski, Collins, Langford

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<v Speaker 1>or some group of the three be convinced that having

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<v Speaker 1>Cash Battel is the head of the FBI will be

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<v Speaker 1>as much a pain for you know, Republicans who are

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<v Speaker 1>not as trumpest as a will be for the rest

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<v Speaker 1>of us who just want to live our lives and

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<v Speaker 1>not end up in jail for you know whatever.

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<v Speaker 7>I think one of them doesn't get through as a

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<v Speaker 7>sort of sacrificial lamb, which will make it easier for

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<v Speaker 7>the rest of them to get through.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, that's a big question.

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah, So the question is which one of those. I

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<v Speaker 7>don't know if it's Cash Battel. I really don't, because

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<v Speaker 7>so many Republicans get their quote unquote news from the

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<v Speaker 7>same source as Patel does, right, And I think at

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<v Speaker 7>this point Republicans don't care about anything except the power play. Plus,

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<v Speaker 7>of course we know that what's his name, Musk with

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<v Speaker 7>his nearly half a trillion dollar fortune, and that should

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<v Speaker 7>make all of us completely sick to our stomachs has

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<v Speaker 7>threatened people with the primary challenges we know, like that's

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<v Speaker 7>why Jody Ernz changed her mind about exeth she was

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<v Speaker 7>reminded that she's up for reelection in twenty twenty six.

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<v Speaker 7>Another huge problem, which can't be solved anymore because we're

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<v Speaker 7>out of time, is that Denver crabs squandered seventy eight

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<v Speaker 7>days of an opportunity to let the American people know

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<v Speaker 7>who these nominees Donald Trump shows are. They could have

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<v Speaker 7>held hearings every single day to expose how unqualified and

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<v Speaker 7>dangerous and conspiracy minded and traitorous these people are. But no,

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<v Speaker 7>they did nothing. That to me is one of the

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<v Speaker 7>most unnerving things. It means that we do not know

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<v Speaker 7>what democrats are going to do when these guys actually

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<v Speaker 7>do have power.

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<v Speaker 2>Mary Trump, thank you, thank you, thank you.

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<v Speaker 5>What a pleasure.

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<v Speaker 1>Steve Bladdock is a CNN contributor and the author of

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<v Speaker 1>the Shadow docet.

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<v Speaker 2>Welcome back to Fast Politics.

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<v Speaker 6>Steven, Thanks thanks for having me.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm always so interested in what you're doing and what

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<v Speaker 1>you're writing about and what you're thinking about, because you

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<v Speaker 1>spend a lot of time writing about the law and

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<v Speaker 1>the Supreme Court, and that is in some ways all

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<v Speaker 1>we have left discussed.

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<v Speaker 6>Well, I mean, I don't know if it's all we

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<v Speaker 6>have left, but certainly I think it is the institution

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<v Speaker 6>that is in the best position in the short term

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<v Speaker 6>to act as even a little bit of a speed

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<v Speaker 6>break on a second Trump administration. You know, I don't

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<v Speaker 6>think Molly will act as a speed break as often

0:27:24.640 --> 0:27:26.560
<v Speaker 6>as you or I want it to. But I actually

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<v Speaker 6>do think we will act as a speed break more

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<v Speaker 6>than Trump wants it to, and so that will be

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<v Speaker 6>the awkward equipoise we find ourselves in.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I think that's a really good point. Biden still

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<v Speaker 1>has a few I'm not saying he's going to do this,

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<v Speaker 1>but there are people behind the scenes and in front

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<v Speaker 1>of the scenes. I'm thinking of New York Senator Kirsten

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<v Speaker 1>Gillibrand who are trying to get Biden to do a

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<v Speaker 1>few things before on his way out. And something you

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<v Speaker 1>wrote about is sort of in that vein. Can you

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<v Speaker 1>talk about it?

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<v Speaker 6>Sure? I mean, so, there are two sort of big,

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<v Speaker 6>very different cases. They're actually kind of before the Supreme

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<v Speaker 6>Court right now. One is the TikTok case, where the

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<v Speaker 6>Court's can hear oral argument on a very expedited basis

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<v Speaker 6>on Friday, January tenth. But there's also a case has

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<v Speaker 6>gotten a lot less attention, at least outside of lawyer land,

0:28:16.560 --> 0:28:19.919
<v Speaker 6>which is about something called the Corporate Transparency Act. And

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<v Speaker 6>this is a statute Congress enacted a couple of years

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<v Speaker 6>ago that's basically designed to make it easier for the

0:28:24.920 --> 0:28:28.800
<v Speaker 6>federal government to investigate and prosecute a whole slew of

0:28:28.840 --> 0:28:32.639
<v Speaker 6>financial crimes, whether it's money laundering, tax fraud, finance, and

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<v Speaker 6>terrorism by basically requiring every business in the United States

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<v Speaker 6>to report to the Treasury Department who its real owners are.

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<v Speaker 6>Because you might imagine this has pissed off many of

0:28:43.400 --> 0:28:47.400
<v Speaker 6>those businesses anyway. But so that law was blocked in

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<v Speaker 6>December by a federal judge in Texas, and the Biden

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<v Speaker 6>administration is basically asking the Supreme Court this week not

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<v Speaker 6>just to unblock that law and to put it back

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<v Speaker 6>into effect, but actually to take up on a broader

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<v Speaker 6>basis the power of federal courts in general to do

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<v Speaker 6>what the district court did in this case, to issue

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<v Speaker 6>what's called a nationwide injunction. So that's where you know,

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<v Speaker 6>a court blocks a policy nationwide as opposed to just

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<v Speaker 6>as applied to those plaintiffs. And you know, Molly, that's

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<v Speaker 6>a pretty remarkable thing for the binding administration to do,

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<v Speaker 6>especially on its way out the door.

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<v Speaker 1>So I need like more plain common language about what

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<v Speaker 1>that would mean.

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<v Speaker 6>Let's start at the beginning. So the typical injunction is

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<v Speaker 6>an order from a court that says, hey, defendant, stop

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<v Speaker 6>doing whatever you were doing to the plaintiff to Molly,

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<v Speaker 6>or start giving Molly something you weren't giving her right.

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<v Speaker 6>And so the idea is that the injunction is a

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<v Speaker 6>coercive court order that requires the defendant to comply by

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<v Speaker 6>acting or not acting in a particular way against the

0:29:46.560 --> 0:29:50.520
<v Speaker 6>person who sued them. The so called nationwide injunction, it's

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<v Speaker 6>a bit of a misnomer because it's not really about

0:29:52.680 --> 0:29:57.480
<v Speaker 6>the geography. A nationwide injunction is a similarly coercive court

0:29:57.600 --> 0:30:00.640
<v Speaker 6>order that says, hey, defendant, and usually it's either a

0:30:00.720 --> 0:30:04.280
<v Speaker 6>state or the federal government, Hey defendant, stop doing this

0:30:04.360 --> 0:30:07.239
<v Speaker 6>period right, stop doing this as applied to everybody. And

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<v Speaker 6>so I might sue the federal government for a nationwide injunction,

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<v Speaker 6>and if I get one, it means they can't enforce

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<v Speaker 6>the law, not just against me, but against anybody, and

0:30:16.960 --> 0:30:19.880
<v Speaker 6>that's become a much bigger deal in recent years as

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<v Speaker 6>these have proliferated. We saw them, for example, in a

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<v Speaker 6>bunch of challenges to first Trump administration immigration policies. I

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<v Speaker 6>think a lot of folks became familiar with in the

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<v Speaker 6>context of MIFA pristone, where there was, you know, a

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<v Speaker 6>nationwide injunction by a district judge in Texas that would

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<v Speaker 6>have effectively taken MIFA pristone off the shelves even in

0:30:38.680 --> 0:30:41.360
<v Speaker 6>states in which abortion is legal, and so Malli. The

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<v Speaker 6>sort of what the Biden administration is basically doing is

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<v Speaker 6>it saying, hey, Supreme Court, we the federal government don't

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<v Speaker 6>like these very much, and so in addition to getting

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<v Speaker 6>rid of the nationwide injunction in this particular case, we'd

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<v Speaker 6>actually likely to get rid of all of them, you know, Molly.

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<v Speaker 6>On the one hand, it's understandable that any justice apartment,

0:31:00.480 --> 0:31:03.520
<v Speaker 6>you know, a Trump Justice department, a Biden Justice department,

0:31:04.120 --> 0:31:06.320
<v Speaker 6>you know, you name it, justice department is not going

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<v Speaker 6>to like nationwide injunctions because the federal government is usually

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<v Speaker 6>on the wrong end of them. What I'm struck by

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<v Speaker 6>is that the Biden administration's picking this fight at this

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<v Speaker 6>moment where you know it's about to be not Biden

0:31:19.080 --> 0:31:22.320
<v Speaker 6>administration policies that are being challenged in federal court, but

0:31:22.560 --> 0:31:26.280
<v Speaker 6>Trump administration policies, and if they're actually successful, it will

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<v Speaker 6>make it much harder to block any executive branch action.

0:31:30.760 --> 0:31:33.960
<v Speaker 6>But in the short term, Trump actions on a nationwide

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<v Speaker 6>as opposed to an individual basis.

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<v Speaker 2>So why are they doing it?

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<v Speaker 6>Then it's a good question. I can't answer it. My

0:31:41.480 --> 0:31:44.040
<v Speaker 6>best guess is that that's actually, you know, the sort

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<v Speaker 6>of the timing is a feature, not a bug that

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<v Speaker 6>by asking now the request looks especially nonpartisan and looks

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<v Speaker 6>institutional in ways that it might not have come across

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<v Speaker 6>in the prior cases where the Justice Department has asked

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<v Speaker 6>the court to reign in these kinds of orders. But

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<v Speaker 6>I mean, if anything, that underscores exactly why I find

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<v Speaker 6>it surprising. If you're doing it entirely because you're trying

0:32:07.280 --> 0:32:09.480
<v Speaker 6>to send a message that like, we want to hamsterring

0:32:09.560 --> 0:32:12.520
<v Speaker 6>federal judges when Trump comes to office too, that seems

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<v Speaker 6>like a very odd thing to have. The last, you know,

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<v Speaker 6>big move of the Biden administration's Solicener General.

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<v Speaker 2>Pe something that will help Trump.

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<v Speaker 6>Will help Trump, and frankly, I think we'll make it

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<v Speaker 6>much harder to litigate challenges to its politican So consider,

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<v Speaker 6>for example, if you know Trump really does try to

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<v Speaker 6>act against birthright citizenships, so you could have a lawsuit

0:32:33.400 --> 0:32:38.760
<v Speaker 6>buy individual citizens who are jeopardized by that policy. But

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<v Speaker 6>unless you actually obtain some kind of universal relief or

0:32:42.920 --> 0:32:44.720
<v Speaker 6>unless you've got you know, to the Supreme Court, and

0:32:44.760 --> 0:32:46.920
<v Speaker 6>the Supreme Court said, hey, yes, we're going to totally

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<v Speaker 6>strike us all down until unless that happens, right, the

0:32:50.240 --> 0:32:53.480
<v Speaker 6>policy would still apply to everybody else. And so it means,

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<v Speaker 6>you know, it's going to be harder to challenge Trump

0:32:55.840 --> 0:32:59.080
<v Speaker 6>administration policies. It's going to take more litigation, it's going

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<v Speaker 6>to put more pressure on the courts if they succeed.

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<v Speaker 6>Now you know, the Supreme Court has not responded yet

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<v Speaker 6>to this request by the Biden administration.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh so they may not even take it up.

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<v Speaker 6>They may not. I mean, so to sort of to

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<v Speaker 6>be a little bit of a legal nerd for a second,

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<v Speaker 6>something new and different for me. I know, the Biden

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<v Speaker 6>administration has asked the Supreme Court to do two different things.

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<v Speaker 6>So the first thing that's asking for is what we

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<v Speaker 6>call a stay. They're asking the Supreme Court to freeze

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<v Speaker 6>the District court order from December, the effect of which

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<v Speaker 6>would be to put this law, the Corporate Transparency Act,

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<v Speaker 6>back into effect. That's like the small ask, and then

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<v Speaker 6>the big ask is, you know, but also we want

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<v Speaker 6>you to actually take this case up for full review,

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<v Speaker 6>not on whether the Corporate Transparency Acts constitutional, but on

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<v Speaker 6>whether the District Court had the power to issue the

0:33:46.040 --> 0:33:48.520
<v Speaker 6>injunction at issued in the first place. So, you know, Molly,

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<v Speaker 6>the Supreme Court could sort of say no to everything.

0:33:52.600 --> 0:33:55.480
<v Speaker 6>The Court could grant the stay right and sort of

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<v Speaker 6>give the Biden administration the small relief it wants and

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<v Speaker 6>not take up the bigger question. The Court could grant

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<v Speaker 6>this day and tick up the bigger question, in which

0:34:04.400 --> 0:34:06.960
<v Speaker 6>case we'd have full brief in an oral argument you know,

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<v Speaker 6>later this term. All of those are possible, and I

0:34:10.040 --> 0:34:12.600
<v Speaker 6>think it's you know, it's a good example of a

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<v Speaker 6>sort of Supreme Court case that's not getting a lot

0:34:15.440 --> 0:34:18.440
<v Speaker 6>of public attention, but that could be very important if

0:34:18.440 --> 0:34:20.160
<v Speaker 6>the Biden administration gets what it wants.

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<v Speaker 1>One of the many ways in which I feel that

0:34:23.160 --> 0:34:26.479
<v Speaker 1>we in the mainstream media have fucked up is by

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<v Speaker 1>not sort of talking enough about the historical precedent with

0:34:31.080 --> 0:34:34.080
<v Speaker 1>everything Trump has done and everything Trump does and how

0:34:34.320 --> 0:34:37.200
<v Speaker 1>you can and set the table for this and you know,

0:34:37.280 --> 0:34:40.760
<v Speaker 1>et cetera, et cetera. That said, so, I was about

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<v Speaker 1>to say that the judge shopping happening in this country

0:34:45.800 --> 0:34:49.400
<v Speaker 1>is new. It is very much not new, but it

0:34:49.480 --> 0:34:52.160
<v Speaker 1>is very much in the news because of the Mark

0:34:52.440 --> 0:34:58.879
<v Speaker 1>Zuckerberg Facebook. He's moving Facebook from California to Texas where

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<v Speaker 1>people are less. Hello, talk us through exactly what this

0:35:05.160 --> 0:35:07.600
<v Speaker 1>is and what does mean, et cetera.

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<v Speaker 6>I mean, there's a lot going on with the developments

0:35:11.000 --> 0:35:13.840
<v Speaker 6>at Meta. The California to Texas move is probably like

0:35:13.920 --> 0:35:16.680
<v Speaker 6>the eighth most important piece of it. But this is

0:35:16.760 --> 0:35:20.279
<v Speaker 6>sort of taking a page from Elon Musk's playbook. I mean,

0:35:20.400 --> 0:35:25.800
<v Speaker 6>Musk relocated SpaceX first and then Twitter slash X to

0:35:25.920 --> 0:35:32.240
<v Speaker 6>Texas for tax reasons, for political reasons, and for liability reasons,

0:35:32.320 --> 0:35:34.839
<v Speaker 6>because I mean, this is sort of back into sort

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<v Speaker 6>of law school for a second. It is difficult to

0:35:38.040 --> 0:35:42.040
<v Speaker 6>sue big corporations where they are not unless you are

0:35:42.080 --> 0:35:44.960
<v Speaker 6>suing them for stuff they did where you're suing them, right,

0:35:45.080 --> 0:35:49.440
<v Speaker 6>So if you're challenging big corporate decisions or you know,

0:35:49.600 --> 0:35:53.439
<v Speaker 6>senior leadership decisions by corporation. Usually you have to sue

0:35:53.440 --> 0:35:57.200
<v Speaker 6>them where they are, and that means either where they're incorporated,

0:35:57.480 --> 0:36:00.160
<v Speaker 6>which is you know, technical legal mumbo jumbo, but it's

0:36:00.200 --> 0:36:03.399
<v Speaker 6>usually Delaware or where their headquarters is. And so moving

0:36:03.440 --> 0:36:06.680
<v Speaker 6>from California to Texas means those lawsuits go into Texas

0:36:06.840 --> 0:36:10.720
<v Speaker 6>instead of California. And that's you know, that's a matter

0:36:10.800 --> 0:36:13.720
<v Speaker 6>of convenience, Molly. But it also those are very different,

0:36:13.840 --> 0:36:17.360
<v Speaker 6>both state courts and federal courts, where you know, the

0:36:17.400 --> 0:36:20.880
<v Speaker 6>California state courts are very left of center, the California

0:36:20.920 --> 0:36:23.560
<v Speaker 6>federal courts are left of center, but not as much

0:36:23.560 --> 0:36:25.760
<v Speaker 6>as they used to be. And in Texas you've got

0:36:25.800 --> 0:36:27.680
<v Speaker 6>you know, the most right ling in courts in the country,

0:36:27.719 --> 0:36:30.560
<v Speaker 6>at both the state and federal level. So it is,

0:36:30.640 --> 0:36:32.600
<v Speaker 6>it is, you know, it's sort of a transparent effort

0:36:32.640 --> 0:36:35.160
<v Speaker 6>to basically find more sympathetic judges.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and it seems to me, and again I am

0:36:39.000 --> 0:36:41.840
<v Speaker 1>not a lawyer, i am but an outside observer, it

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<v Speaker 1>strikes me that the government in Texas, the state government

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<v Speaker 1>is way more aggressive at protecting its billionaires it's conservative billionaires.

0:36:52.880 --> 0:36:56.600
<v Speaker 1>We've seen the governor and the attorney's General try to

0:36:56.719 --> 0:36:59.719
<v Speaker 1>pander to its billionaires. Now, whether or not that is

0:36:59.760 --> 0:37:03.320
<v Speaker 1>the optics of pandering or actual pandering, it does seem

0:37:03.360 --> 0:37:04.960
<v Speaker 1>like there's more flexibility there.

0:37:05.120 --> 0:37:07.880
<v Speaker 6>I think it's important, Molly to sort of separate out

0:37:08.040 --> 0:37:12.760
<v Speaker 6>what strikes me as the normal politics of big business

0:37:12.920 --> 0:37:13.919
<v Speaker 6>and what strikes me as.

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<v Speaker 2>Shady good point. Good point, good point.

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<v Speaker 6>I think it is inevitable that states will try to

0:37:20.120 --> 0:37:24.560
<v Speaker 6>attract particular types of large business concerns with exactly what

0:37:24.600 --> 0:37:27.160
<v Speaker 6>their policy priorities are. You know, come to our state

0:37:27.239 --> 0:37:29.719
<v Speaker 6>because we are pro this or we're anti that. We're

0:37:29.719 --> 0:37:31.759
<v Speaker 6>a right to work state. Don't you want to be here?

0:37:32.040 --> 0:37:34.360
<v Speaker 6>And so I guess I will just say I don't

0:37:34.400 --> 0:37:38.040
<v Speaker 6>find that sort of inherently problematic. I think it's sort

0:37:38.080 --> 0:37:41.040
<v Speaker 6>of baked into our system of federalism. What I'm more

0:37:41.120 --> 0:37:44.920
<v Speaker 6>cynical about is the courts, right that, like, it's inevitable

0:37:44.920 --> 0:37:46.920
<v Speaker 6>that you're going to have states that have different laws,

0:37:47.200 --> 0:37:50.719
<v Speaker 6>and that those different laws are going to be reasons

0:37:50.719 --> 0:37:54.080
<v Speaker 6>why businesses either gravitate toward that state or away from

0:37:54.080 --> 0:37:56.400
<v Speaker 6>that state. What I've got worried about is when the

0:37:56.440 --> 0:37:59.640
<v Speaker 6>courts are part of that conversation, because at least when

0:37:59.640 --> 0:38:01.719
<v Speaker 6>it comes to the federal laws, right, that should at

0:38:01.800 --> 0:38:04.760
<v Speaker 6>least in theory, be uniform throughout the country. Like the

0:38:04.800 --> 0:38:07.759
<v Speaker 6>federal antitrust law should mean the same thing in California

0:38:07.760 --> 0:38:10.400
<v Speaker 6>that it means in Texas. The constitutional rights should mean

0:38:10.440 --> 0:38:12.440
<v Speaker 6>the same thing in California that they mean in Texas.

0:38:12.480 --> 0:38:15.800
<v Speaker 6>And so I don't get nervous about state politics being

0:38:15.880 --> 0:38:18.440
<v Speaker 6>what state politics have always been. I get nervous about

0:38:18.480 --> 0:38:21.600
<v Speaker 6>the state and federal courts in a state becoming such

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<v Speaker 6>an obvious part of the political conversation because it just

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<v Speaker 6>reinforces the perception not just that the courts of political institutions,

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<v Speaker 6>but that the courts are partisan institutions that are part

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<v Speaker 6>of why you're seeing these kinds of decisions by corporations

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<v Speaker 6>like meta.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, exactly.

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<v Speaker 1>And I think that's a really good point, and that

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<v Speaker 1>is to use the courts as arms of corporate malfeasans ultimately, right,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean that's the goal.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, or at least to use the courts if not

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<v Speaker 6>corporate malthfeasans are at the very least sort of corporate unaccountability. Right,

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<v Speaker 6>It's one thing to say, Oh, we're moving to Texas

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<v Speaker 6>over California because of the taxes, to say we're moving

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<v Speaker 6>to Texas over California because of the courts. Yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 6>And I think, you know, one of those is sort

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<v Speaker 6>of a long running political conversation that I guess doesn't

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<v Speaker 6>bother me as much as the latter one does, because

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<v Speaker 6>you know, we should not be surprised the political actors

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<v Speaker 6>make political decisions. I get nervous when those decisions are

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<v Speaker 6>influenced by which judges are going to be supervising them.

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<v Speaker 2>M hmmm.

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<v Speaker 1>That's a really good point, and I think very much

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<v Speaker 1>sort of what we should be thinking about right now.

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<v Speaker 2>I wonder if you.

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<v Speaker 1>Could sort of talk a little bit about where we

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<v Speaker 1>are in this Supreme Court. You know, we're they're going

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<v Speaker 1>to start hearing arguments where we are, and sort of what's.

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<v Speaker 2>On the docket and what's it going to look like.

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<v Speaker 6>Sure, I mean, so we're really probably a little bit

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<v Speaker 6>right around the halfway point, I guess for the current term,

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<v Speaker 6>the October twenty twenty four term. And one of the

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<v Speaker 6>strange things about this term, Molly, is it's actually been

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<v Speaker 6>a relatively quiet one so far. I mean, we have

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<v Speaker 6>just had these back to back to back block uster

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<v Speaker 6>terms with dozens of major, massively both politically and legally

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<v Speaker 6>important rulings, and at least so far, this term is

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<v Speaker 6>not that. I mean, you know, the Court has a

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<v Speaker 6>couple of very important cases that have already been argued. Skurmeti,

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<v Speaker 6>which is the big case about you know, gender affirming

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<v Speaker 6>medical care for adolescence that was argued back in December.

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<v Speaker 6>You know, there's a big gun case about ghost guns,

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<v Speaker 6>those argued back in October. But you know, Molly, this

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<v Speaker 6>is at least not so far a term that's going

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<v Speaker 6>to end with cases like Dobbs on abortion or the

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<v Speaker 6>affirmative action cases from two years ago. And I actually

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<v Speaker 6>think what's really going to be the story come the

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<v Speaker 6>spring is not any of these merits cases, but rather

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<v Speaker 6>exactly what we were talking about earlier, which is Trump

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<v Speaker 6>does something crazy, lower Court blocks him, and Trump runs

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<v Speaker 6>back up to the Supreme Court for some kind of

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<v Speaker 6>emergency relief, where you know, I think by the time

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<v Speaker 6>we're done in June this term, that the real headlines

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<v Speaker 6>of this term are going to be how the Court

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<v Speaker 6>is dealing with the most controversial Trump policies, most of

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<v Speaker 6>which will get there if at all, this term right,

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<v Speaker 6>not through the normal full nine yards of litigation, but

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<v Speaker 6>on this sort of truncated, expedited emergency basis.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I'm wondering you wrote this brilliant book about the

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<v Speaker 1>shadow docket and sort of the kind of danger there.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, do you think we're going to see more

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<v Speaker 1>stuff taken on the shadow docket? And can you talk

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<v Speaker 1>about the shadow docket in Trump one point zero?

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<v Speaker 6>I mean, Trump one point zero is exactly I think

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<v Speaker 6>the comparator here. So you know, the shadow docket just

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<v Speaker 6>it's a descriptive term that's meant to cover everything that

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<v Speaker 6>the Supreme Court does other than it's big fancy merit

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<v Speaker 6>rulings the sixty or so you know, rulings the Court

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<v Speaker 6>hands down every year after full briefing in argument. Turns

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<v Speaker 6>out there are thousands of rulings the Court hands down

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<v Speaker 6>not with full briefing in argument, and we just don't

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<v Speaker 6>care about most of them. So during during Trump one

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<v Speaker 6>point zero, Trump's Justice Department really sort of took advantage

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<v Speaker 6>of something called emergency relief. This is basically, hey, Supreme Court,

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<v Speaker 6>this case is going to get to you eventually. But

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<v Speaker 6>in the two or three years it takes to get there.

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<v Speaker 6>What should the status quo be. Should the status quobe

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<v Speaker 6>be that the district court ruling that blocked this policy

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<v Speaker 6>remains an effect or should the status quod be that

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<v Speaker 6>the policy goes into effect while we appeal the ruling

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<v Speaker 6>that says it's unlawful. And you know, Molly, what was

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<v Speaker 6>striking about the first Trump administration. The Justice Department historically

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<v Speaker 6>had been very shy about using the shadow docket that way.

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<v Speaker 6>I mean, across the George W. Bush and Obama presidencies,

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<v Speaker 6>so two very different, two term presidencies, the Justice Department

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<v Speaker 6>had gone to the court for that kind of relief

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<v Speaker 6>a total of eight times in sixteen years. Even I

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<v Speaker 6>can do that math, right. The Trump administration, in contrast,

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<v Speaker 6>went forty one time in the first four years, right,

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<v Speaker 6>so between twenty seventeen and twenty twenty one. And this

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<v Speaker 6>was on pretty big stuff. This was on the travel

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<v Speaker 6>ban and the ban on transgender individuals serving in the military,

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<v Speaker 6>and you know, the put in a citizenship question on

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<v Speaker 6>the census and all kinds of other like really important stuff.

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<v Speaker 6>And I think we're in for more of that. Whatever

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<v Speaker 6>Trump does, whether it's birthright citizenship or crazy tariffs or

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<v Speaker 6>Schedule F or other things that are going to be

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<v Speaker 6>subject to legal challenge. You know, folks are going to

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<v Speaker 6>be strategic about where they bring in those lawsuits. They're

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<v Speaker 6>going to find, you know, courts that they think are

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<v Speaker 6>going to be most sympathetic to those claims. Those courts

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<v Speaker 6>are probably going to agree with at least some of

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<v Speaker 6>those challenges. And the question is going to be, like,

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<v Speaker 6>what does the Supreme Court do then? Will the Supreme

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<v Speaker 6>Court have learned its lesson from Trump one point zero

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<v Speaker 6>or is it just going to do exactly what it

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<v Speaker 6>did the first time around, which was green light a

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<v Speaker 6>bunch of these policies even though every federal court to

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<v Speaker 6>consider them said they were unlawful. And that's you know

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<v Speaker 6>when you ask sort of what's what's on the docket

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<v Speaker 6>for this term? You know, none of that is yet,

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<v Speaker 6>but man, I think it's coming.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>There's a world in which the Supreme Court goes like

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<v Speaker 1>John Roberts is like, yeah, I've actually totally done the

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<v Speaker 1>court and I want to like roll back my yeah, okay.

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<v Speaker 2>The laughter says it all right.

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<v Speaker 6>I would love for the Supreme Court to have that

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<v Speaker 6>kind of come to Jesus moment. But Molly, I do think,

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<v Speaker 6>I mean, just to put this as quickly as possible,

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<v Speaker 6>I do think that the middle of the court, so

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<v Speaker 6>Chief Justice Roberts, Justice Brett Cavanaugh, justs Acony Barrett, is

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<v Speaker 6>not worth the middle.

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<v Speaker 2>By the way. That's the middle, which in its should

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<v Speaker 2>say a lot.

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<v Speaker 6>It speaks multitudes, but it's also just a descriptive fact,

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<v Speaker 6>right that in the cases that are going to come

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<v Speaker 6>out of Trump two point zero, how those three justices

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<v Speaker 6>vote is going to be how the Court goes. And

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<v Speaker 6>you know, they're going to endorse a lot more than

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<v Speaker 6>they should, but they're not going to endorse everything Trump wants.

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<v Speaker 6>I don't think that's going to because the court sort

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<v Speaker 6>of sees the light. I think it's just going to

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<v Speaker 6>because in John Roberts and Brett Cavanaugh, Abcony Barrett, you

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<v Speaker 6>have really fairly conventional, you know, Bush era movement conservatives,

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<v Speaker 6>legal conservatives as opposed to the more populous, trumpy conservatives

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<v Speaker 6>that we have today.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, all right, that's a really good point. Thank you,

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<v Speaker 1>thank you, thank you. I hope you will come back

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<v Speaker 1>any time.

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<v Speaker 6>Ali, Thanks for having me.

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<v Speaker 4>No more peckly Jesse Cannon, Mollie, you know, seeing that

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<v Speaker 4>Merrick Garland is facing some pressure as he did for

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<v Speaker 4>the last four years, and all I could think is, well,

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<v Speaker 4>there's one nice thing.

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<v Speaker 3>Maybe we'll never have to hear about Merrick Garland getting

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<v Speaker 3>pressure again in just a few weeks.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, talk about someone who was the wrong person for

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<v Speaker 1>the job. Actually, I thought that Jensaki had a pretty

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<v Speaker 1>good monologue about how Merrick Garland was probably not the

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<v Speaker 1>right person for this job, and that does seem very likely.

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<v Speaker 1>There were a lot of things he could have done,

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<v Speaker 1>and he moved very slowly, and at every point he

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<v Speaker 1>was unwilling to do the brave thing and instead did

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<v Speaker 1>what was the cautious thing. And in a situation like

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<v Speaker 1>that leaves us with Donald Trump humming president again. This activist,

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<v Speaker 1>the president of Social Security Works Pack said Merrick Garland

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<v Speaker 1>has exactly one more chance to show any smattering of spine.

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<v Speaker 1>He has two weeks to release Jack Smith's report. This

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<v Speaker 1>is the last chance to do something right again. Aileen

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<v Speaker 1>Cannon trying to have the eleventh Circuit roll in on it.

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<v Speaker 1>This thing could go up to the Supreme Court. We

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<v Speaker 1>know that we have a very maga Supreme Court so

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<v Speaker 1>we'll see if the Supreme Court allows it. Look, Merrick

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<v Speaker 1>Garland has had lots of opportunities to circumvent trump Ism,

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<v Speaker 1>to hold Trump accountable. He has taken none of them.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's hard for me to imagine that he will

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<v Speaker 1>somehow act differently, but I hope he does.

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