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Speaker 1: Hi, and welcome back to the Carol Marcowitz Show on iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 1: Having a non political show while being a political person

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Speaker 1: interviewing political people was always going to be somewhat of

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Speaker 1: a challenge. But I've enjoyed avoiding the news of the day,

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Speaker 1: and I've heard from so many listeners that you guys

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Speaker 1: appreciate the reprieve from the news. I mean, of course,

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Speaker 1: the episodes sometimes veer into the political, but in general,

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Speaker 1: the purpose has always been to get to know what

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Speaker 1: my guests think about more than just the daily political outrage.

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Speaker 1: This gets challenging in times of big news. October seventh

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Speaker 1: was something I couldn't avoid talking about. It was taking

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Speaker 1: up so much space in my life that it felt

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Speaker 1: like a lie to not.

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Speaker 2: Mention it here.

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Speaker 1: Similarly, the attempted assassination of Donald Trump has been with

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Speaker 1: me NonStop since it happened. I'm in Singapore, visiting with

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Speaker 1: family and wrapping up a vacation, and I was here

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Speaker 1: when I woke up to the news, which was for

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Speaker 1: me Sunday morning. I keep thinking that the worst part

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Speaker 1: really what kills me about it is that I'm not

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Speaker 1: at all surprised it happened. One of The themes of

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Speaker 1: this show is that words matter. Sometimes you have to

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Speaker 1: say things out loud for other people to understand you,

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Speaker 1: and sometimes you have to hold back saying something because

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Speaker 1: there will be consequences. It's been years of Trump is

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Speaker 1: Hitler Part two? And how do you not take a

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Speaker 1: shot at Hitler?

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Speaker 3: Right?

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Speaker 1: It was predictable that the insane rhetoric would have repercussions.

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Speaker 1: But okay, this isn't a show about politics, so let's

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Speaker 1: take this back to our regular lives. Do you sometimes

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Speaker 1: say things for reaction in your own life? Do you

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Speaker 1: perhaps take things too far and what you say? This

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Speaker 1: ratcheting up of saying crazy things. It didn't start with

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Speaker 1: social media, but it has definitely increased in the last decade.

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Speaker 1: Not every thought needs to be verbalized, not every tweet

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Speaker 1: needs to be sent. People dehumanize each other all the

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Speaker 1: time online and that leads to some pretty dark places.

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Speaker 1: People go viral for saying just insane things, and then

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Speaker 1: people get paid for going viral. It's a really bad

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Speaker 1: spiral for society. I'm not immune from this, but I'm

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Speaker 1: trying to be better. A few years ago I stopped

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Speaker 1: name calling on Twitter. I love arguing sparring, and I

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Speaker 1: would frequently call people an idiot, a clown and so on.

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Speaker 1: It was less about my target and more about me.

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Speaker 1: Why I stopped it, maybe stop interacting with you know,

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Speaker 1: idiots and clowns. And that was a huge plus. I

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Speaker 1: didn't have to tell someone they were wrong on the internet.

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Speaker 1: I could just go to sleep. Look where in difficult

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Speaker 1: days in America and this moment right now, it's frightening

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Speaker 1: to a lot of people I hear from you.

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Speaker 2: I know it's scary.

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Speaker 1: You can't control everything, but you can control you. Make

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Speaker 1: the small changes in your life to make your life better.

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Speaker 1: Don't say crazy things. Don't listen to people who say

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Speaker 1: crazy things. Finally, keep President Trump in your thoughts and

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Speaker 1: if you pray, pray for him, you love him, you

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Speaker 1: hate him. It's just not relevant right now. A presidential

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Speaker 1: candidate was giving a speech and someone tried to kill

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Speaker 1: him for it. Whatever else we believe, we know that's wrong.

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Speaker 1: It's not political to say so. Coming up next, an

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Speaker 1: interview with Laura rosen Cohen. Join us after the break.

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Speaker 3: Welcome back to Carol Marcowitch Show on iHeartRadio. My guest

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Speaker 3: today is Laura rosen Cohen. A Toronto based writer, uppity

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Speaker 3: jew and the in house Jewish mother of.

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Speaker 4: Mark Stein at steineonline dot com. Hi Laura, so nice

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Speaker 4: to have you.

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Speaker 5: Good morning. Nice to meet you in person so to speak.

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Speaker 3: Finally, Yes, first, our first face to face meeting.

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Speaker 2: It's amazing.

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Speaker 3: I have to I feel like I have to start

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Speaker 3: off with trying and get you out of Canada.

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Speaker 2: What are we doing here? Yeah?

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Speaker 5: If I was going to do it all over again,

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Speaker 5: if I was younger, then I probably would want to

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Speaker 5: make a start in America. I'm one of those Canadians

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Speaker 5: who loves America. For me, America is it's more than

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Speaker 5: a country. It's really it's an ideal. It's a promise.

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Speaker 5: And it was particularly acute during the COVID years when

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Speaker 5: it was really so terrible here in Ontario in particular,

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Speaker 5: and under the Trudeau regime in general. And my husband I,

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Speaker 5: on more than one occasion joke that we should probably

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Speaker 5: all our bags, through our kids on our shoulders and

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Speaker 3: Because a bad idea.

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Speaker 5: The southern border seems to be a really good option

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Speaker 5: for people who want to get in, but for us.

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Speaker 5: We had a really hard time when we wanted to

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Speaker 5: come during COVID and escape the Trudeau tyranny. So yes, next,

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Speaker 5: next time round, although definitely doing America.

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Speaker 2: COVID twenty twenty eight. You're here, right, they're.

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Speaker 5: Already planning something, right, so got to head.

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Speaker 2: Our bets monkey pocks.

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Speaker 5: Right.

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Speaker 3: So I've been reading you for years? How did you

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Speaker 3: get your start writing? Especially how did you and Mark

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Speaker 3: Stein connect and you became the Jewish house mother on

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Speaker 5: Well, the writing started very early. I've always been always

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Speaker 5: been a writer, even in university, always very verbal. And

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Speaker 5: I got started publicising in legitimate outlets when I lived

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Speaker 5: in Israel for a time, and I just I happened

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Speaker 5: to do my first published feature in the Jerusalem Post

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Speaker 2: And what was the story sidebar of the story.

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Speaker 5: The story was actually not like a fun story. It

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Speaker 5: shelters at that time. The details are all kind of

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Speaker 5: by phone, by letter, you know, by post, and then

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Speaker 5: if I asked them what would make an interesting story,

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Speaker 5: given me the ultimate safe space for an affity Jewish

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Speaker 5: So I'm really I'm grateful. And he's just just a

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Speaker 4: He's been so right about so much over the years.

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Speaker 3: Like I reference his book America Alone, you know, all

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Speaker 4: I want to say, so it's it's he really nailed

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Speaker 3: Do you know that there's that he and I are

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Speaker 5: Do you know the story? I I don't. I mean,

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Speaker 3: And no, no, no, no no, no, we are actually

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Speaker 3: I googled my maiden name. I was looking for I

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Speaker 5: And I played it a poker tournament.

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Speaker 4: That's like a really used of all story too.

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Speaker 3: I would say I was a semi professional poker player,

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Speaker 2: It's tied to Mark Stein, and we are married and

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Speaker 3: It's really funny because we met in nineteen eighty eight

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Speaker 5: He's wild.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, I'm a big fan. Not his wife.

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Speaker 4: As much as I do. But so, what kind of

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Speaker 5: In my column for Mark Stein, and at his website

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Speaker 4: My two points of optimism kind of on that I.

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Speaker 3: Agree with you, things are in a really, really bad place. Well, yes,

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Speaker 3: Haters, obviously, the jew haters in Florida, of course, there are.

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Speaker 3: It's the reaction, it's how we are not going to

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Speaker 3: stand for this, you know. And that's what I see,

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Speaker 3: and not not just in Florida, in Texas and you know, Tennessee,

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Speaker 3: in red states, in places where there's conservative leadership, you

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Speaker 3: just see absolutely no, we're not going to stand for

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Speaker 3: this here.

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Speaker 4: We're not going to make excuses for it.

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Speaker 3: We're not going to be like, well, you know, it's

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Speaker 3: a different culture and that's just how it is.

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Speaker 4: Like that's not the case here.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I think what's worrying is is the federal situation,

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Speaker 5: and that of course relates not just to my own view,

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Speaker 5: Joe Biden, who's barely I mean barely competent, and it's

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Speaker 5: an incredible case of elder abuse. And his wife, doctor,

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Speaker 5: doctor Jill Biden should be ashamed of herself for I mean,

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Speaker 5: is it worth I guess it's worth it. They're they're

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Speaker 5: a corrupt family, and I guess it's worth it to

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Speaker 5: them to parade this, you know, putting brained elderly guy

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Speaker 5: all their disgusting business dealings. But you know, so it's

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Speaker 5: it's the it's the federal level of policy that's more

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Speaker 5: worrying individual states. And that's why I guess I'd be

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Speaker 5: one of those. If I was American, I'd be one

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Speaker 5: of those, like more power to the states kind of truly. Yeah,

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Speaker 5: for sure, federal situation is absolutely discussing Again, it's it's

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Speaker 5: it's self detonating to America. And that's what's the heartbreaking

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Speaker 5: thing about it is it is just when you have,

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Speaker 5: you know, the Iyatola in Iran tweeting on X, posting

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Speaker 5: on X, how how wonderful the university students are when

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Speaker 5: you're on the same side as the Ayatola. When the

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Speaker 5: president of America, Okay, so you know you're not really hostages,

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Speaker 5: but have you forgotten that there's American hostages? How can

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Speaker 5: any American sit idly by and see that their president

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Speaker 5: doesn't care about American hostages that are being held by

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Speaker 5: from us. How can you want to serve your country

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Speaker 5: when you know that you're your president inasmuch as he's

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Speaker 5: actually the president is on side with humas. That's not

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Speaker 5: good for America. It's not good for America and therefore

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Speaker 5: not good for the world.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely, you're that's you know where I think that a

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Speaker 3: lot of people are right now, and I don't you know,

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Speaker 3: a lot of times I don't even think that it's

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Speaker 3: like a left or right thing. I think that's got

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Speaker 3: into a place of just deep corruption and where it

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Speaker 3: doesn't matter what normal people think. The yes, you know,

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Speaker 3: people in charge will just do whatever they want.

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Speaker 5: Absolutely and there's no repercussion exactly. That's that's the real problem.

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Speaker 5: And how do you reverse that? And that leads into

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Speaker 5: you know, what we saw with the with the Trump convictions,

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Speaker 5: which is appalling and absolutely disgraceful. It's all related, it's

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Speaker 5: all related. So my worry for the past few years

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Speaker 5: has just been that the blob, the big evil blob

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Speaker 5: in America, whether it's like the State Department, swamp and

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Speaker 5: all the bureaucracy and everything, they just will not allow

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Speaker 5: another Republican to get into office, even if Trump, you know,

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Speaker 5: Trump is obviously the favored candidate, and his popularity and

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Speaker 5: fundraising went up by like a gazillion million percent and

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Speaker 5: dollars over the past week because people are sick of

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Speaker 5: this level of corruption. It's so blatant as well so disgusting.

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Speaker 5: But you know, they're going to make it so that

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Speaker 5: a Republican cannot get in again that it's going to

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Speaker 5: be even more gross. There's going to be more flooded

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Speaker 5: pipes in more voting stations, there's going to be more

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Speaker 5: counts that are not going to be accurate. I'm so

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Speaker 5: worried about that. I mean, it would be the ultimate

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Speaker 5: fu to the entire world if Trump were to regain

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Speaker 5: the presidency. But I just can't see the blob right

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Speaker 5: now letting it happen that they've been planning for a

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Speaker 5: long time.

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Speaker 2: Well, this has been a very optimistic conversation.

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Speaker 3: I know, I know, I know, Laura Rosen Cohen, everything

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Speaker 3: is terrible.

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Speaker 5: It's really not though, it's really not. It's okay to

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Speaker 5: joke about this stuff. And you know, you can remain

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Speaker 5: you can remain still optimistic if you're a person of faith,

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Speaker 5: if you have a family, if you have good friends,

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Speaker 5: if you have a good life, and you do what

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Speaker 5: you can. Sorry I bumping my desk, but do what

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Speaker 5: you can and not what you can't. You know, it's

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Speaker 5: definitely it's not all bad for sure.

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Speaker 3: So another question that I ask all of my guests

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Speaker 3: this kind of leads right into it, is you have

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Speaker 3: a really interesting perch you you have a kind of

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Speaker 3: write about whatever you want.

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Speaker 2: And I think that's, you know, one of.

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Speaker 3: The goals of being a writer, right, getting to where

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Speaker 3: you've can cover the topics that are interesting to you.

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Speaker 4: Do you feel like you've made it totally?

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Speaker 5: Totally, one hundred percent. I'm so lucky that I get

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Speaker 5: to vent my spleen about things that are interesting to

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Speaker 5: me and that Mark Stein tolerates me. It is amazing.

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Speaker 5: So yes, I feel really lucky and really blessed and

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Speaker 5: really honored that I'm just able to communicate with a

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Speaker 5: large audience, with his readers, with his fans, and I yeah,

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Speaker 5: that is that is it because you could be a

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Speaker 5: writer and it's okay to keep writing, But obviously if

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Speaker 5: nobody's reading your stuff or nobody seeing your stuff, act

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Speaker 5: just slightly less for sure.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Absolutely.

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Speaker 3: I hate like when I write for places that have

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Speaker 3: a paywall. It's just it's so tough for me. I

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Speaker 3: need people to see it. I need I need, I

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Speaker 3: need to be read.

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Speaker 5: I can't have.

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Speaker 3: You know, it doesn't matter the paying you know, the

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Speaker 3: payment for the piece doesn't matter to me as having

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Speaker 3: the eyeballs on it.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, Like there's some things you would do for totally free.

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Speaker 5: And I'm like, of course, yes, yeah, seeing.

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Speaker 2: My husband tries to limit how much I do for free.

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Speaker 5: But I you know, I know, I get a lot

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Speaker 5: of requests strangely, I don't know about you too, but

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Speaker 5: like a lot of a lot of really weird like

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Speaker 5: communications like could you just could you just read my book?

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Speaker 5: Could you just read my essay? I mean I saw,

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Speaker 5: I saw your name, and I thought maybe you would

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Speaker 5: like to help me, like anyway a whole other pot.

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Speaker 3: Yes, So this has been a great conversation, and I'm

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Speaker 3: actually going to feel, you know, think about some of

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Speaker 3: the things that we talked about and and try to

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Speaker 3: be optimistic. But and here with your best tip from

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Speaker 3: my listeners on how they can improve their lives.

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Speaker 5: So I'm going to go like very jewy on you, right,

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Speaker 5: jewy jewey and uh So, the there was a great

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Speaker 5: Rabbi Hasidic movement in Judaism called Raabad and the h

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Speaker 5: Bad So and in Judaism there's a concept that there's

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Speaker 5: the good inclination and the bad inclination and Hebrew it's

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Speaker 5: yet and yet harah. So basically, the good and the

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Speaker 5: bad inclination are always fighting one another. So you're always

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Speaker 5: trying to overcome the bad inclination, which could be whispering

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Speaker 5: for you to do things that are not as good

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Speaker 5: for your soul, and the good inflation inclination is trying

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Speaker 5: to overcome that. And so the Lebo butcher Rabbi said

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Speaker 5: that self pity is the ultimate victory of the evil inclination.

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Speaker 5: So I think that that is incredibly wise, and because

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Speaker 5: so much can be done when a person feels very

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Speaker 5: bitter and upset or feels that they're entitled to more

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Speaker 5: and feel sorry for themselves. And when when you feel

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Speaker 5: that self pity, you can feel like lashing out, You

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Speaker 5: feel angry at other people around you, You feel like

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Speaker 5: life owes you more, everybody owes you more, and really

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Speaker 5: you should just be much more introspective and be grateful

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Speaker 5: for what you have. So self pity is the ultimate

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Speaker 5: victory of the evil inclination. And I hope that that

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Speaker 5: might speak to some of your listeners.

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Speaker 2: Love that limit your self pity. I'm gonna I'm going

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Speaker 2: to work on that.

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Speaker 3: Also, Thank you so much for coming on, Rosen Cohen.

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Speaker 3: Check our out ats dine online, dot com and many

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Speaker 3: other places.

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Speaker 4: Twitter, Twitter, what's your Twitter handle.

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Speaker 5: Twitter is my name at Laura Rosen Cohen and Twitter

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Speaker 5: is my crack. I love fame, I am atic, so

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Speaker 5: that's where I'm usually playing on the internet. So that's

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Speaker 5: the best place.

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Speaker 4: Thank you so much, Laura, Thank you, take care.

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