1 00:00:01,360 --> 00:00:04,200 Speaker 1: On theme is a production of iHeartRadio and fair Weather 2 00:00:04,280 --> 00:00:12,039 Speaker 1: Friends Media. 3 00:00:12,520 --> 00:00:22,599 Speaker 2: You are listening, What do we want black stories? How 4 00:00:22,640 --> 00:00:25,200 Speaker 2: do we wanna in all sides of shapes and forms? 5 00:00:25,280 --> 00:00:29,320 Speaker 3: How long do we want to infinite? 6 00:00:29,720 --> 00:00:31,680 Speaker 1: Today we'll be talking about the stories that we like 7 00:00:31,720 --> 00:00:33,239 Speaker 1: to see in twenty twenty four. 8 00:00:33,680 --> 00:00:35,800 Speaker 3: And we'll talk about some of the stories that we'd 9 00:00:35,840 --> 00:00:37,400 Speaker 3: like to create, like our. 10 00:00:37,320 --> 00:00:41,199 Speaker 1: Own little manifesting session. I'm Katie and I'm Eves. In 11 00:00:41,240 --> 00:00:45,639 Speaker 1: today's episode is New Year, New Stories. 12 00:00:51,720 --> 00:00:53,159 Speaker 3: Are you a new Year, New Me? 13 00:00:53,920 --> 00:00:56,520 Speaker 1: I am not a new year, New me person. Nothing 14 00:00:56,560 --> 00:00:57,960 Speaker 1: against the people who are you? 15 00:00:58,000 --> 00:00:58,080 Speaker 2: Know? 16 00:00:58,200 --> 00:00:58,520 Speaker 3: Do you? 17 00:00:58,920 --> 00:01:02,640 Speaker 1: But I don't do that. I usually don't set resolutions either. 18 00:01:03,280 --> 00:01:05,760 Speaker 1: But I like to think that I can be new 19 00:01:05,800 --> 00:01:08,360 Speaker 1: at any point that I want to be. And sometimes 20 00:01:08,680 --> 00:01:10,920 Speaker 1: the world, the universe be calling me to be new 21 00:01:11,000 --> 00:01:13,039 Speaker 1: before the year changes. 22 00:01:13,680 --> 00:01:18,279 Speaker 3: So I gotta do. I gotta do. God say okay, okay, 23 00:01:18,360 --> 00:01:24,280 Speaker 3: universe child, okay, what about you? Am I a new 24 00:01:24,319 --> 00:01:26,679 Speaker 3: year New Me? I do look at the new year 25 00:01:26,720 --> 00:01:29,520 Speaker 3: as like a time like, okay, here's a time that 26 00:01:29,640 --> 00:01:34,039 Speaker 3: I can make some changes and then do I Normally 27 00:01:35,240 --> 00:01:37,520 Speaker 3: that's the question. I like how you said you can 28 00:01:37,560 --> 00:01:40,640 Speaker 3: be new at any time. But I also feel I 29 00:01:40,680 --> 00:01:43,440 Speaker 3: like the camaraderie of everyone trying to be new at 30 00:01:43,440 --> 00:01:45,320 Speaker 3: the same time. You've been in the gym with the 31 00:01:45,360 --> 00:01:49,280 Speaker 3: gym girlies. I do not be in the gym. I'd 32 00:01:49,280 --> 00:01:52,120 Speaker 3: be walking outside though, and everybody and nay Mama be 33 00:01:52,120 --> 00:01:54,480 Speaker 3: walking outside at the beginning of the year and then 34 00:01:54,840 --> 00:01:58,440 Speaker 3: do a little. But I do like the the energy 35 00:01:58,520 --> 00:02:03,200 Speaker 3: of like newness and like thinking ahead to the future 36 00:02:03,560 --> 00:02:05,840 Speaker 3: and all that stuff. People be like be present, be president. 37 00:02:05,880 --> 00:02:07,440 Speaker 3: I don't know how to do that. All I know 38 00:02:07,480 --> 00:02:11,000 Speaker 3: how to do is ruminate and plan present. I don't 39 00:02:11,040 --> 00:02:13,480 Speaker 3: know her, never met her, never been there. We'll work 40 00:02:13,480 --> 00:02:18,880 Speaker 3: on that together. But so thinking about like the new 41 00:02:18,960 --> 00:02:20,800 Speaker 3: year and things we want to see in the future. 42 00:02:21,040 --> 00:02:25,600 Speaker 3: I am thinking about like what stories I want to read, watch, 43 00:02:25,919 --> 00:02:28,639 Speaker 3: listen to, and just like what I'm going to be 44 00:02:29,480 --> 00:02:32,320 Speaker 3: on the lookout for. Okay, So I. 45 00:02:32,320 --> 00:02:33,959 Speaker 1: Feel like I'm in the opposite You say you don't 46 00:02:34,000 --> 00:02:36,400 Speaker 1: know the present when you came to me with this topic, 47 00:02:36,480 --> 00:02:37,359 Speaker 1: that's what I can think about. 48 00:02:37,360 --> 00:02:38,880 Speaker 3: It was like, all I know is the present. I 49 00:02:38,880 --> 00:02:39,639 Speaker 3: don't know what I want. 50 00:02:39,680 --> 00:02:42,320 Speaker 1: I also feel like I'm inundated with so many stories 51 00:02:43,120 --> 00:02:45,440 Speaker 1: and I have so many to choose from. I have 52 00:02:45,480 --> 00:02:47,040 Speaker 1: so many that are on the backlist that I have 53 00:02:47,080 --> 00:02:50,160 Speaker 1: to choose from. I have so many things that I 54 00:02:50,240 --> 00:02:54,400 Speaker 1: have to enjoy that are in willhouses, that are in 55 00:02:54,440 --> 00:02:56,320 Speaker 1: will houses that I've ever touched before. So I'm like, 56 00:02:56,360 --> 00:02:59,240 Speaker 1: look at all of these things. I don't even know 57 00:02:59,280 --> 00:03:03,080 Speaker 1: what to say I want. Yeah, this was shockingly hard 58 00:03:03,160 --> 00:03:06,120 Speaker 1: to me to think about, because it's not truly not 59 00:03:06,200 --> 00:03:09,000 Speaker 1: something that I typically think about. I don't know what 60 00:03:09,080 --> 00:03:12,160 Speaker 1: I want until I'm in that moment, Like we were 61 00:03:12,200 --> 00:03:14,400 Speaker 1: just talking about what we're gonna read next, and I'm 62 00:03:14,440 --> 00:03:17,440 Speaker 1: like looking through my bookshelf, like hmmm, what am I feeling? 63 00:03:18,360 --> 00:03:23,160 Speaker 1: Knowing I have stuff checked out on Libby already and 64 00:03:23,240 --> 00:03:23,840 Speaker 1: I'm just like. 65 00:03:24,120 --> 00:03:27,320 Speaker 3: But what am I feeling right now? What do I 66 00:03:27,400 --> 00:03:29,440 Speaker 3: need in this moment? Yeah? Yeah, So I feel like 67 00:03:29,440 --> 00:03:32,800 Speaker 3: we're very different in that regard. Yeah, And I think 68 00:03:32,880 --> 00:03:35,320 Speaker 3: it doesn't have to be like a new thing. Like 69 00:03:35,360 --> 00:03:37,280 Speaker 3: even you said you have like a backlog of things 70 00:03:37,320 --> 00:03:40,400 Speaker 3: that you know that you've been wanting to read. Does 71 00:03:40,440 --> 00:03:42,760 Speaker 3: anything like stand out to you that you're like, Okay, 72 00:03:42,840 --> 00:03:44,640 Speaker 3: I would have like make sure that that gets off 73 00:03:44,640 --> 00:03:46,400 Speaker 3: the back list in the new year. 74 00:03:46,720 --> 00:03:49,000 Speaker 1: So some of the things that I want to explore 75 00:03:49,000 --> 00:03:51,480 Speaker 1: in the new year are stories that are centered around 76 00:03:51,520 --> 00:03:55,080 Speaker 1: local and regional folklore. And that's because I do like fantasy, 77 00:03:55,360 --> 00:03:58,560 Speaker 1: I like being in imagined worlds. I like world building 78 00:03:58,560 --> 00:04:02,160 Speaker 1: in certain ways, but they that have really rich characters 79 00:04:02,160 --> 00:04:05,560 Speaker 1: in them. And I feel like there's so much that 80 00:04:05,600 --> 00:04:07,200 Speaker 1: I want to learn about the world and the people 81 00:04:07,240 --> 00:04:09,800 Speaker 1: in the world, and so much that I don't know. 82 00:04:10,320 --> 00:04:17,000 Speaker 1: And I think that fiction centered around different cultures folklore 83 00:04:17,839 --> 00:04:20,640 Speaker 1: would be something that would be really enjoyable for me 84 00:04:20,760 --> 00:04:24,640 Speaker 1: to explore. And I also think too, it's like, yes, 85 00:04:24,800 --> 00:04:28,520 Speaker 1: it's me learning more about black people, but also it'll 86 00:04:28,560 --> 00:04:31,560 Speaker 1: be a really good turn around after this past year, 87 00:04:31,760 --> 00:04:35,160 Speaker 1: which has been really really real for me. And I've 88 00:04:35,200 --> 00:04:40,080 Speaker 1: also been focused on nonfiction a lot as well this year, 89 00:04:40,520 --> 00:04:44,760 Speaker 1: and to go in the direction of folklore, it can 90 00:04:44,800 --> 00:04:48,760 Speaker 1: be things that will still teach me lessons. Maybe that'll 91 00:04:48,800 --> 00:04:51,479 Speaker 1: still have me learning things, even if they're not lessons 92 00:04:51,520 --> 00:04:53,840 Speaker 1: that are like moral text or anything like that. They'll 93 00:04:53,839 --> 00:04:58,000 Speaker 1: still have me learning about different cultures and also allow 94 00:04:58,080 --> 00:05:02,000 Speaker 1: me to be in fun and colorful worlds at the 95 00:05:02,000 --> 00:05:03,960 Speaker 1: same time. And I think that would be a nice 96 00:05:04,000 --> 00:05:06,200 Speaker 1: balance and nothing too heady, more hearty. 97 00:05:08,000 --> 00:05:10,040 Speaker 3: When you say folklore, are you kind of talking about 98 00:05:10,040 --> 00:05:12,919 Speaker 3: like kid lit? Because that's what I think when I 99 00:05:12,920 --> 00:05:15,560 Speaker 3: think folklore, I think it could be kid lit. So 100 00:05:15,640 --> 00:05:17,000 Speaker 3: if it was, I would be cool with that. 101 00:05:17,040 --> 00:05:19,240 Speaker 1: Like if there were folk tales or kind of like 102 00:05:19,320 --> 00:05:21,760 Speaker 1: fairy tales, or if they were about like around like 103 00:05:21,839 --> 00:05:25,120 Speaker 1: folkloric creatures like mermaids, I would like that as well. 104 00:05:25,160 --> 00:05:27,960 Speaker 1: But if it has folkloric themes and they're just set 105 00:05:27,960 --> 00:05:32,560 Speaker 1: in worlds that are related to different folklores that may 106 00:05:32,600 --> 00:05:36,479 Speaker 1: be more specific to a certain region or locale, then 107 00:05:36,839 --> 00:05:40,800 Speaker 1: I could see those happening within adult fiction as well. 108 00:05:41,600 --> 00:05:44,279 Speaker 3: Okay, I got to because like folklore, when I think 109 00:05:44,320 --> 00:05:47,560 Speaker 3: of that, I think of like the lessons that they impart. 110 00:05:48,400 --> 00:05:52,720 Speaker 3: Is there a lesson that you've learned that could appear 111 00:05:52,800 --> 00:05:55,160 Speaker 3: in folklore like that you could have gotten for folklore, 112 00:05:55,160 --> 00:05:56,839 Speaker 3: but maybe you just like learned that. 113 00:05:56,839 --> 00:05:59,200 Speaker 1: That's a good question. Is there a lesson? Oh, I've 114 00:05:59,279 --> 00:06:01,200 Speaker 1: learned so many is that I don't even know where 115 00:06:01,240 --> 00:06:03,360 Speaker 1: to start. But the first one that I think of 116 00:06:03,800 --> 00:06:08,440 Speaker 1: is learning to do things the easy way, And I 117 00:06:08,440 --> 00:06:11,040 Speaker 1: feel like that is a consistent story over the course 118 00:06:11,080 --> 00:06:13,400 Speaker 1: of my life where I consistently choose to do things 119 00:06:13,440 --> 00:06:15,680 Speaker 1: the hard way. I'm going into the grocery store and 120 00:06:15,680 --> 00:06:17,400 Speaker 1: not asking anybody where anything is. 121 00:06:18,320 --> 00:06:18,960 Speaker 3: I've learned a. 122 00:06:18,880 --> 00:06:20,599 Speaker 1: Lot of lessons about that over my life, but that 123 00:06:20,640 --> 00:06:23,919 Speaker 1: doesn't mean that I still don't act in ways that 124 00:06:23,960 --> 00:06:28,159 Speaker 1: I know I should act in better. Because I was 125 00:06:28,200 --> 00:06:31,320 Speaker 1: working with a lawyer earlier this year and he wasn't 126 00:06:31,320 --> 00:06:33,520 Speaker 1: communicating with me the way I wanted him to communicate 127 00:06:33,600 --> 00:06:36,159 Speaker 1: with me, so knowing that it would make my life 128 00:06:36,160 --> 00:06:38,920 Speaker 1: harder to be like I don't want to work with 129 00:06:39,000 --> 00:06:41,280 Speaker 1: him anymore because we just started, we had barely even 130 00:06:41,320 --> 00:06:44,240 Speaker 1: started the process that we were going through, I was like, Nope, 131 00:06:44,320 --> 00:06:45,800 Speaker 1: don't want to do it anymore, don't want to deal 132 00:06:45,800 --> 00:06:48,279 Speaker 1: with it. And I was like, I'm going to have 133 00:06:48,320 --> 00:06:50,000 Speaker 1: to like continue the search or I'm going to have 134 00:06:50,000 --> 00:06:54,280 Speaker 1: to do everything on my own. And afterwards I kind 135 00:06:54,279 --> 00:06:56,440 Speaker 1: of felt like I had regrets for doing it that way. 136 00:06:57,400 --> 00:06:59,720 Speaker 1: So I was like, I should have just dealt with 137 00:06:59,760 --> 00:07:02,360 Speaker 1: it so I could take the easy route in this 138 00:07:02,440 --> 00:07:04,839 Speaker 1: thing that I'm working on that's already very hard for me. 139 00:07:05,600 --> 00:07:07,440 Speaker 1: Like the context of all I needed the lawyer was 140 00:07:07,480 --> 00:07:09,320 Speaker 1: already something that was very difficult. 141 00:07:09,600 --> 00:07:11,920 Speaker 3: So not saying that what I did was wrong or 142 00:07:11,960 --> 00:07:12,480 Speaker 3: it was right. 143 00:07:13,040 --> 00:07:15,240 Speaker 1: I'm just saying I think there are a lot of 144 00:07:15,360 --> 00:07:19,320 Speaker 1: moments where I could have taken that advice in many ways, 145 00:07:19,320 --> 00:07:21,840 Speaker 1: and other moments where I did take that lesson to heart, 146 00:07:22,160 --> 00:07:26,680 Speaker 1: because there were also moments this year where I let 147 00:07:26,720 --> 00:07:30,360 Speaker 1: people show up for me and support me in ways 148 00:07:30,800 --> 00:07:32,880 Speaker 1: and like I was just cool with it, you know. 149 00:07:32,920 --> 00:07:34,560 Speaker 1: So I took the easy route, and it's like I 150 00:07:34,560 --> 00:07:37,520 Speaker 1: don't have to do everything myself. Other people care about me. 151 00:07:38,120 --> 00:07:41,000 Speaker 1: They show that they care about me in different ways. 152 00:07:41,040 --> 00:07:42,880 Speaker 1: So I'm going to like allow myself to be open 153 00:07:42,920 --> 00:07:45,720 Speaker 1: to that support. So I think I could really see 154 00:07:46,000 --> 00:07:48,480 Speaker 1: going back to the folk tales. I could really see 155 00:07:48,760 --> 00:07:54,600 Speaker 1: a story centered around folklore that would have some kind 156 00:07:54,640 --> 00:07:57,680 Speaker 1: of lesson around not doing the hard thing, like the 157 00:07:57,720 --> 00:08:00,280 Speaker 1: monkey climbing up the tree to get the bit this 158 00:08:01,200 --> 00:08:02,880 Speaker 1: way instead of like shaking the tree for them to 159 00:08:02,920 --> 00:08:03,800 Speaker 1: come down or whatever. 160 00:08:04,400 --> 00:08:11,360 Speaker 3: Yeah, I feel like that is reading as a kid. Yeah, Okay, 161 00:08:11,960 --> 00:08:14,800 Speaker 3: is there any tales that stand out to you that 162 00:08:14,880 --> 00:08:18,240 Speaker 3: you have already read or that you're looking forward to 163 00:08:18,320 --> 00:08:20,000 Speaker 3: reading specific titles. 164 00:08:20,320 --> 00:08:22,520 Speaker 1: I have a book of folklore on my shelf right 165 00:08:22,560 --> 00:08:23,920 Speaker 1: now that I've been wanting to read that I got 166 00:08:23,960 --> 00:08:26,240 Speaker 1: when I was in South Africa. I can't remember the 167 00:08:26,280 --> 00:08:28,600 Speaker 1: exact title of it. I'll see if I can find 168 00:08:28,600 --> 00:08:30,320 Speaker 1: it to link it in the description. 169 00:08:30,920 --> 00:08:32,920 Speaker 3: Going back to your point of like doing things like 170 00:08:33,080 --> 00:08:35,280 Speaker 3: the easy way and with the lawyer. One thing that 171 00:08:35,320 --> 00:08:37,960 Speaker 3: I think about looking back on my life. I have 172 00:08:38,040 --> 00:08:40,800 Speaker 3: so many regrets, Like I literally regret everything every day. 173 00:08:41,440 --> 00:08:43,320 Speaker 3: But then I was thinking about one of my like 174 00:08:43,360 --> 00:08:45,360 Speaker 3: a major regrets, and I was like, what if I 175 00:08:45,400 --> 00:08:47,160 Speaker 3: did the thing that I said I should have done 176 00:08:47,360 --> 00:08:49,440 Speaker 3: in this instance is like the school I should have 177 00:08:49,480 --> 00:08:52,520 Speaker 3: went to after high school. And I was thinking about it, 178 00:08:52,559 --> 00:08:55,040 Speaker 3: and I'm just like the way that you live your life, 179 00:08:55,720 --> 00:08:59,040 Speaker 3: Like sure there might be like infidite universes where I 180 00:08:59,080 --> 00:09:00,719 Speaker 3: did go to that other stoo that I said I 181 00:09:00,720 --> 00:09:03,880 Speaker 3: should have went to. I was like, hello, shit could 182 00:09:03,880 --> 00:09:07,880 Speaker 3: have went wrong then too. It's like when the choice 183 00:09:07,920 --> 00:09:10,480 Speaker 3: you don't make looks so attractive because you just don't 184 00:09:10,520 --> 00:09:13,080 Speaker 3: know what is on the other side of the choice, 185 00:09:13,120 --> 00:09:15,080 Speaker 3: But you do know what happened when you went to 186 00:09:15,120 --> 00:09:18,280 Speaker 3: the school or didn't drop the lawyer, or did drop 187 00:09:18,280 --> 00:09:22,440 Speaker 3: the lawyer, or you know, broke up or stayed together, 188 00:09:22,600 --> 00:09:25,480 Speaker 3: like you know what happened, So it's hard to make 189 00:09:25,480 --> 00:09:28,080 Speaker 3: the right decision. But then even like, no matter what 190 00:09:28,160 --> 00:09:30,960 Speaker 3: decision you make, I do think it's just as right 191 00:09:31,120 --> 00:09:34,880 Speaker 3: as anything else because like a bunch of other shits 192 00:09:34,920 --> 00:09:36,560 Speaker 3: gonna happen behind every decision. 193 00:09:36,840 --> 00:09:39,400 Speaker 1: It's like always having a shiny object on the other side, 194 00:09:39,520 --> 00:09:41,560 Speaker 1: gleaming and attracting you toward it. 195 00:09:41,559 --> 00:09:43,679 Speaker 3: It's just like mysterious. You're like, oh, like, well, if 196 00:09:43,760 --> 00:09:45,440 Speaker 3: I want I went to the lad school, I would 197 00:09:45,440 --> 00:09:48,640 Speaker 3: have been whatever the fuck. No, you wouldn't, girl, No 198 00:09:48,800 --> 00:09:52,920 Speaker 3: you wouldn't. We'll be right back after this app break. 199 00:10:01,360 --> 00:10:05,199 Speaker 3: One genre I hope to find something that I really 200 00:10:05,280 --> 00:10:08,760 Speaker 3: like is like black written thrillers, because the black thrillers 201 00:10:09,280 --> 00:10:12,880 Speaker 3: I've read, I've had super high hopes for them, but 202 00:10:12,920 --> 00:10:16,200 Speaker 3: they weren't giving what they should have gave for me. 203 00:10:16,520 --> 00:10:18,560 Speaker 3: And I do believe they're out there. I just haven't 204 00:10:18,640 --> 00:10:22,120 Speaker 3: encountered them yet. And it's funny too, because I feel 205 00:10:22,120 --> 00:10:24,040 Speaker 3: like with black thrillers, like they feel like they have 206 00:10:24,120 --> 00:10:29,440 Speaker 3: to like blacken it up, talk more about that, Like 207 00:10:29,520 --> 00:10:32,520 Speaker 3: I feel like the writer has to be talking about hair, 208 00:10:33,200 --> 00:10:36,720 Speaker 3: you know, there has to be some deeper complex meaning 209 00:10:36,800 --> 00:10:40,120 Speaker 3: under yeah at all. Yeah, it has to be like 210 00:10:40,600 --> 00:10:44,840 Speaker 3: racism or you know what I mean. So I haven't 211 00:10:44,960 --> 00:10:47,960 Speaker 3: found a black thiller that I really like, but I 212 00:10:47,960 --> 00:10:50,760 Speaker 3: feel like it's a genre that's, oh, y'all could be 213 00:10:50,800 --> 00:10:55,160 Speaker 3: eating down. So you said it isn't giving what it 214 00:10:55,200 --> 00:10:57,559 Speaker 3: should give. What do you think it should give? It 215 00:10:57,559 --> 00:11:00,760 Speaker 3: should get thrills, it should give pot twists, it should 216 00:11:00,840 --> 00:11:05,559 Speaker 3: give Red Herring. Okay, m hm, it should give Oh. 217 00:11:05,600 --> 00:11:08,240 Speaker 3: I could totally see this into being adapted into a 218 00:11:08,280 --> 00:11:11,920 Speaker 3: movie and being a really great movie. It should give, 219 00:11:13,000 --> 00:11:17,559 Speaker 3: you know, cultural references that aren't so overt. Another thing 220 00:11:17,559 --> 00:11:22,120 Speaker 3: that I'm looking forward to, like really diving more deep 221 00:11:22,160 --> 00:11:27,720 Speaker 3: into are like the foundational text of like black sociology. 222 00:11:27,800 --> 00:11:31,480 Speaker 3: So I told you I was reading Black Bourgeoisie, and 223 00:11:31,600 --> 00:11:33,920 Speaker 3: I feel like there's a lot of text like that 224 00:11:33,920 --> 00:11:36,280 Speaker 3: that I feel like I just like should have already 225 00:11:36,320 --> 00:11:41,160 Speaker 3: read but just haven't. And there are referenced a lot 226 00:11:41,559 --> 00:11:44,240 Speaker 3: in other books that I'm reading, So I'm like, oh, 227 00:11:44,240 --> 00:11:46,840 Speaker 3: I should read what these other authors have read so 228 00:11:46,880 --> 00:11:48,320 Speaker 3: I can like kind of get it, because I do 229 00:11:48,400 --> 00:11:51,920 Speaker 3: think like reading is you build upon the cannon. So 230 00:11:52,400 --> 00:11:55,080 Speaker 3: I'm looking forward to reading those books that you know 231 00:11:55,080 --> 00:11:59,680 Speaker 3: written in the twenties, the thirties, forties, fifties, sixties, and 232 00:11:59,760 --> 00:12:03,120 Speaker 3: learn from that perspective because like, unfortunately a lot of 233 00:12:03,160 --> 00:12:07,280 Speaker 3: these books are still very tiny. Yeah, save shit going 234 00:12:07,400 --> 00:12:11,320 Speaker 3: on in the Year of Our Lord twenty twenty five. 235 00:12:11,880 --> 00:12:13,400 Speaker 1: Is it hard for you to have that understanding as 236 00:12:13,400 --> 00:12:14,760 Speaker 1: you're reading these older books? 237 00:12:15,200 --> 00:12:17,880 Speaker 3: No, it isn't. Like you said, there's nothing new under 238 00:12:17,920 --> 00:12:20,240 Speaker 3: the sun and the problems aren't new. And I do 239 00:12:20,280 --> 00:12:23,280 Speaker 3: think that during those times we had more rigorous thinkers 240 00:12:23,480 --> 00:12:26,120 Speaker 3: because one probably like there wasn't much else to do 241 00:12:26,920 --> 00:12:30,439 Speaker 3: but read, where you don't go play a play, right, 242 00:12:31,360 --> 00:12:33,560 Speaker 3: so there's less distraction. So like, these people are going 243 00:12:33,600 --> 00:12:35,880 Speaker 3: to be reading and like thinking more deeply about things, 244 00:12:35,960 --> 00:12:38,120 Speaker 3: and it shows that like a lot of the solutions 245 00:12:38,160 --> 00:12:41,280 Speaker 3: that we have just ain't it, and they've been tried 246 00:12:41,440 --> 00:12:45,000 Speaker 3: and been disproven for a lot of things. So it 247 00:12:45,000 --> 00:12:47,320 Speaker 3: doesn't make me feel bad. It makes me feel like 248 00:12:47,360 --> 00:12:51,200 Speaker 3: in community with our fore mothers and fathers who've passed 249 00:12:51,240 --> 00:12:54,920 Speaker 3: on but like kind of left these directions. So looking 250 00:12:54,960 --> 00:12:57,000 Speaker 3: forward to that as well. Is there hoping it for 251 00:12:57,040 --> 00:13:01,000 Speaker 3: you though? In reading those books? I think so, I 252 00:13:01,040 --> 00:13:07,000 Speaker 3: mean I'm no like policy person. I'm you know, a 253 00:13:07,160 --> 00:13:11,360 Speaker 3: nigga with a mic. So I'm gonna play my role. 254 00:13:12,960 --> 00:13:14,880 Speaker 3: I'm would tell people about the books, you know, like 255 00:13:15,800 --> 00:13:19,280 Speaker 3: I think there is hope and just understanding, right, Like 256 00:13:19,400 --> 00:13:23,120 Speaker 3: even if I'm reading these books and I understand that 257 00:13:23,160 --> 00:13:27,120 Speaker 3: shit's fucked up, and I kind of intrinsically know that, 258 00:13:27,360 --> 00:13:30,160 Speaker 3: but maybe I don't know all the nuances and how 259 00:13:30,200 --> 00:13:32,960 Speaker 3: it is. And like sometimes I feel like, you know, 260 00:13:33,000 --> 00:13:34,600 Speaker 3: it'd be the like Mama, I don't want to be 261 00:13:34,600 --> 00:13:37,439 Speaker 3: woke no more, Like I'd rather not know about all 262 00:13:37,440 --> 00:13:42,760 Speaker 3: this stuff. But like being ignorant does look fun. There's 263 00:13:42,800 --> 00:13:45,520 Speaker 3: just what wheels like, so like y'all are so dumb 264 00:13:45,520 --> 00:13:48,960 Speaker 3: and looks so happy. It's like they do. But that's 265 00:13:49,080 --> 00:13:50,480 Speaker 3: that's just not what I want from me, Like I 266 00:13:50,520 --> 00:13:53,800 Speaker 3: want to know us up because like I feel like 267 00:13:53,840 --> 00:13:56,880 Speaker 3: the people who do know us up but want to 268 00:13:56,960 --> 00:14:01,240 Speaker 3: manipulate others for their own personal game, They're going to 269 00:14:01,360 --> 00:14:04,120 Speaker 3: use the fact that you are choosing to be ignorant, 270 00:14:04,120 --> 00:14:06,439 Speaker 3: like you're choosing just to like be blissful in your 271 00:14:06,480 --> 00:14:08,520 Speaker 3: ignorance to advance themselves. 272 00:14:09,000 --> 00:14:11,400 Speaker 1: Are you saying that people who have more access to 273 00:14:11,440 --> 00:14:14,640 Speaker 1: information are going to exploit people who don't. 274 00:14:15,240 --> 00:14:17,800 Speaker 3: Is that what you mean? So, for example, like you 275 00:14:17,840 --> 00:14:21,800 Speaker 3: know how jay Z beyond his black capitalism gentrify your 276 00:14:21,840 --> 00:14:25,520 Speaker 3: own hood. That Nigga knows that's fucking stupid. I believe 277 00:14:25,720 --> 00:14:29,360 Speaker 3: he knows that stupid, And I think people go with 278 00:14:29,520 --> 00:14:32,480 Speaker 3: it because like it sounds kind of good, like, oh yeah, 279 00:14:32,520 --> 00:14:38,040 Speaker 3: like we should own businesses, I guess. But then if 280 00:14:38,120 --> 00:14:41,000 Speaker 3: you just like read like one book, you'd kind of 281 00:14:41,000 --> 00:14:44,640 Speaker 3: realize that jay Z is in the business of advancing 282 00:14:44,720 --> 00:14:47,680 Speaker 3: jay Z, Like the representation you get from a black 283 00:14:47,680 --> 00:14:49,720 Speaker 3: billionaire really ain't doing nothing for you at the end 284 00:14:49,760 --> 00:14:52,880 Speaker 3: of the day. But because you feel this kinship of 285 00:14:53,640 --> 00:14:56,040 Speaker 3: seeing a black billionaire as opposed to a white one, 286 00:14:56,480 --> 00:15:00,880 Speaker 3: you let a lot of shit slide that shouldn't slide. 287 00:15:02,200 --> 00:15:06,200 Speaker 1: I feel like thrillers versus reading some of the foundational 288 00:15:06,280 --> 00:15:12,800 Speaker 1: texts of black sociology books are two very different pathways. 289 00:15:13,200 --> 00:15:15,200 Speaker 1: Do you think they'll balance each other out in a way? 290 00:15:15,680 --> 00:15:17,200 Speaker 3: Yeah? I feel like that those are just for the 291 00:15:17,240 --> 00:15:19,680 Speaker 3: fun of it all. You can read those so quickly 292 00:15:20,320 --> 00:15:22,600 Speaker 3: by one day, two days, you know, get it in 293 00:15:22,640 --> 00:15:25,040 Speaker 3: and out. I do think that the foundational text wills 294 00:15:25,080 --> 00:15:28,440 Speaker 3: out sit with them more like I'm taking notes, you know, 295 00:15:28,480 --> 00:15:30,720 Speaker 3: I'm trying to make connections. I'm like that meme of 296 00:15:30,760 --> 00:15:37,520 Speaker 3: the guy with these papers like disconnectxist, you know. So, yeah, 297 00:15:37,560 --> 00:15:40,280 Speaker 3: they're definitely different. But you know, I can say multitudes. 298 00:15:41,240 --> 00:15:44,080 Speaker 3: I'm a multitude. No group talk about it. So what 299 00:15:44,160 --> 00:15:47,280 Speaker 3: are you looking to create in the new year? 300 00:15:47,920 --> 00:15:52,600 Speaker 1: So I mentioned in a past episode that I've been 301 00:15:52,640 --> 00:15:57,640 Speaker 1: reading about black nature writers, and I think that in 302 00:15:57,720 --> 00:16:00,880 Speaker 1: the new Year, I like to write for myself. 303 00:16:00,920 --> 00:16:04,440 Speaker 3: I would like to write more climate fiction. What is 304 00:16:04,480 --> 00:16:07,960 Speaker 3: that or eco fiction or whatever you want to call it. 305 00:16:08,440 --> 00:16:12,000 Speaker 1: That is talks about how the people have been affected 306 00:16:12,160 --> 00:16:18,400 Speaker 1: by climate and climate change, how people are affecting the environment, 307 00:16:19,480 --> 00:16:23,840 Speaker 1: and all of the consequences of those changes, and how 308 00:16:23,880 --> 00:16:27,800 Speaker 1: people respond to them, how the world changes. These things 309 00:16:27,840 --> 00:16:30,800 Speaker 1: have been touched on by a lot of people in 310 00:16:30,880 --> 00:16:34,280 Speaker 1: sci fi realms. So even if it's not specific to 311 00:16:34,320 --> 00:16:37,320 Speaker 1: this world, it might be set in the future, or 312 00:16:37,440 --> 00:16:39,160 Speaker 1: it might be set on a world that is not 313 00:16:39,360 --> 00:16:40,560 Speaker 1: this current world. 314 00:16:41,840 --> 00:16:44,400 Speaker 3: So that shows up in a lot of ways. 315 00:16:44,440 --> 00:16:47,800 Speaker 1: And I'm not really a sci fi writer, but I 316 00:16:47,840 --> 00:16:51,360 Speaker 1: think taking inspiration from climate fiction, even if it might 317 00:16:51,400 --> 00:16:54,600 Speaker 1: not be genre, under that based on the powers that 318 00:16:54,680 --> 00:16:58,560 Speaker 1: be that create these genres to sell books, but in general, 319 00:16:59,280 --> 00:17:03,600 Speaker 1: climate fiction are more so being in the nature writing 320 00:17:03,680 --> 00:17:08,119 Speaker 1: realm is something that I want to move into more. 321 00:17:08,320 --> 00:17:12,800 Speaker 1: I think typically I have a tendency sometimes toward more 322 00:17:12,840 --> 00:17:16,560 Speaker 1: like historical fiction, okay, and I'm just now writing more 323 00:17:16,560 --> 00:17:18,760 Speaker 1: fiction in general, so I think it'll be nice to 324 00:17:19,680 --> 00:17:22,520 Speaker 1: merge those loves of mine. 325 00:17:22,720 --> 00:17:26,000 Speaker 3: So when I hear climate fiction is given dystopian, is 326 00:17:26,040 --> 00:17:27,159 Speaker 3: that what you're thinking of? 327 00:17:27,680 --> 00:17:30,920 Speaker 1: I don't think I tend to go that catastrophic. Okay, 328 00:17:31,040 --> 00:17:33,159 Speaker 1: So I don't know if I would say dystopian for 329 00:17:33,280 --> 00:17:36,200 Speaker 1: what I would like to work on, but it could 330 00:17:36,280 --> 00:17:38,399 Speaker 1: go in that direction. It could be like this is 331 00:17:38,480 --> 00:17:41,280 Speaker 1: what this is what the world is like because we're 332 00:17:41,400 --> 00:17:43,560 Speaker 1: all burning it down right now and we're not changing 333 00:17:43,560 --> 00:17:46,000 Speaker 1: our behaviors in any large skill ways. 334 00:17:46,440 --> 00:17:48,320 Speaker 3: That's the only way I could see it going. You 335 00:17:48,440 --> 00:17:50,560 Speaker 3: talking about the climate hit, what else could you say? 336 00:17:50,880 --> 00:17:54,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, I guess I'm thinking more smaller skill. And I'm 337 00:17:54,359 --> 00:17:56,840 Speaker 1: also not a climate scientist, so like I couldn't even 338 00:17:56,920 --> 00:18:00,720 Speaker 1: see myself like taking on something so as as like 339 00:18:01,720 --> 00:18:03,560 Speaker 1: what would it look like if we went back to 340 00:18:03,720 --> 00:18:05,880 Speaker 1: not using planes ever? 341 00:18:05,920 --> 00:18:06,240 Speaker 3: Again? 342 00:18:06,359 --> 00:18:08,879 Speaker 1: Like I think that's a little bit beyond my reach. Yeah, 343 00:18:08,960 --> 00:18:11,639 Speaker 1: and it's more like the destruction of a forest in 344 00:18:11,680 --> 00:18:13,000 Speaker 1: the specific. 345 00:18:13,000 --> 00:18:18,399 Speaker 3: Locale it's giving stop cop city. Hey, it definitely is 346 00:18:20,359 --> 00:18:22,920 Speaker 3: what happens when you cut down a forest and let 347 00:18:23,040 --> 00:18:28,760 Speaker 3: cops run the town. What happens? Some bullshit? And when 348 00:18:28,800 --> 00:18:31,480 Speaker 3: you say you write, are starting to write more fiction? Like, 349 00:18:31,480 --> 00:18:33,720 Speaker 3: what's the length of this fiction? Is it flash fiction? 350 00:18:34,359 --> 00:18:36,879 Speaker 3: Like short story and novella novel? 351 00:18:37,119 --> 00:18:40,000 Speaker 1: I really love writing flash fiction, but I think in 352 00:18:40,040 --> 00:18:43,720 Speaker 1: this case, I'm thinking more around like five thousand to 353 00:18:43,760 --> 00:18:47,040 Speaker 1: ten thousand words for these stories. Okay, I think it 354 00:18:47,040 --> 00:18:49,280 Speaker 1: would be more like a long short story on a 355 00:18:49,359 --> 00:18:50,360 Speaker 1: ten thousand words. 356 00:18:50,119 --> 00:19:03,320 Speaker 3: In Okay, cool, more after the break. So, you know, 357 00:19:03,359 --> 00:19:06,000 Speaker 3: I've been traveling all over the country talking to so 358 00:19:06,160 --> 00:19:10,240 Speaker 3: many people about black bookstores and like getting this like 359 00:19:10,440 --> 00:19:14,240 Speaker 3: oral history written down, and so the way my book 360 00:19:14,280 --> 00:19:17,240 Speaker 3: is organized, it's like profiles of these different black bookstores 361 00:19:17,280 --> 00:19:21,399 Speaker 3: from eighteen thirty four to present, which has been really 362 00:19:21,520 --> 00:19:25,000 Speaker 3: fun to write for me because trying to make it 363 00:19:25,080 --> 00:19:29,560 Speaker 3: not repetitive, right, because like everyone does have a really 364 00:19:30,160 --> 00:19:33,159 Speaker 3: unique story and kind of pulling that out because what 365 00:19:33,240 --> 00:19:36,439 Speaker 3: I found is when I talk to different bookstore owners, 366 00:19:36,520 --> 00:19:39,560 Speaker 3: especially the ones who are always talking to press. They 367 00:19:39,640 --> 00:19:44,440 Speaker 3: have their stump speech, right, they have their I got 368 00:19:44,440 --> 00:19:46,840 Speaker 3: it out the mud. I didn't know this was going 369 00:19:46,920 --> 00:19:52,000 Speaker 3: to happen. I love the community, and I'm like, yeah, yeah, yeah, 370 00:19:52,040 --> 00:19:54,200 Speaker 3: but what about you know what I mean, like trying 371 00:19:54,240 --> 00:19:56,920 Speaker 3: to like pull something else out. So that's been really 372 00:19:56,920 --> 00:20:00,119 Speaker 3: interesting to do. And it's been like, first time I 373 00:20:00,119 --> 00:20:01,919 Speaker 3: talk to you, this all you're gonna say. So I'm 374 00:20:01,920 --> 00:20:03,800 Speaker 3: gonna call you up again, like, oh hey girl, what 375 00:20:04,119 --> 00:20:06,320 Speaker 3: two up too? Oh yeah? I was just you know, 376 00:20:06,400 --> 00:20:08,280 Speaker 3: and like trying to get them talk again. Then I'm 377 00:20:08,280 --> 00:20:10,080 Speaker 3: gonna go out to your store. I'm a flat a 378 00:20:10,200 --> 00:20:12,399 Speaker 3: la like, oh hey, what's up? Like show me around? 379 00:20:12,880 --> 00:20:16,679 Speaker 3: And so I've liked this work, but it's also very intensive. 380 00:20:17,280 --> 00:20:19,600 Speaker 3: I feel the pressure of having to get like it 381 00:20:19,720 --> 00:20:21,760 Speaker 3: all right, you know, because these are people's stories. Like 382 00:20:21,800 --> 00:20:24,880 Speaker 3: I don't want to like misrepresent anyone. I don't want 383 00:20:24,880 --> 00:20:27,680 Speaker 3: anyone to say like, oh I didn't say that, or 384 00:20:27,760 --> 00:20:29,720 Speaker 3: you know, I ain't mean that. And also too, I 385 00:20:30,040 --> 00:20:32,800 Speaker 3: don't consider myself a journalist, but what I have been 386 00:20:32,800 --> 00:20:37,160 Speaker 3: doing is like reporting. But you know, there's like journalistic ethics, right, 387 00:20:37,640 --> 00:20:40,840 Speaker 3: and so I'm also just a really nice girl. And 388 00:20:40,920 --> 00:20:43,119 Speaker 3: so the girls be telling me all their business and 389 00:20:43,160 --> 00:20:45,760 Speaker 3: I'm like, are you telling me just to put the 390 00:20:45,760 --> 00:20:47,840 Speaker 3: book or are we just chatting right now? 391 00:20:47,960 --> 00:20:48,160 Speaker 2: Yeah. 392 00:20:48,400 --> 00:20:53,359 Speaker 3: So being in my nonfiction bag reporting but trying to 393 00:20:53,359 --> 00:20:56,240 Speaker 3: make it interesting has been like a challenge that I 394 00:20:56,320 --> 00:20:59,480 Speaker 3: found really fun. But going into the new year, I 395 00:21:00,000 --> 00:21:02,720 Speaker 3: want to start writing fiction as well, which I've never 396 00:21:02,800 --> 00:21:05,880 Speaker 3: really done, and I'm really apprehensive about it. 397 00:21:05,960 --> 00:21:08,240 Speaker 1: Although we do talk about from time to time when 398 00:21:08,280 --> 00:21:09,679 Speaker 1: you tell me your stories, I'm like, oh. 399 00:21:09,520 --> 00:21:11,480 Speaker 3: God, that'd be a good short story. You gotta make 400 00:21:11,520 --> 00:21:13,800 Speaker 3: it into one. That's what people always say. I don't 401 00:21:13,800 --> 00:21:17,320 Speaker 3: know if y'all guessing me, but so crazy stuff to 402 00:21:17,359 --> 00:21:21,439 Speaker 3: be happened to me, Like this sounds fake. They'll be like, 403 00:21:21,480 --> 00:21:24,240 Speaker 3: this bitch has a lie, probably like I swear it happened. 404 00:21:24,680 --> 00:21:26,520 Speaker 3: So I do want to like start getting into like 405 00:21:26,560 --> 00:21:30,439 Speaker 3: short stories, and I really like short story collections that 406 00:21:30,480 --> 00:21:34,240 Speaker 3: feel like they're like cohesive, like definitely not like chapters 407 00:21:34,280 --> 00:21:37,040 Speaker 3: of a novel, but like the characters are like orbiting 408 00:21:37,080 --> 00:21:39,240 Speaker 3: each other and like it makes sense in a way 409 00:21:39,280 --> 00:21:42,240 Speaker 3: like that you want them to be in a shared universe. Yeah, 410 00:21:42,680 --> 00:21:45,960 Speaker 3: Like I have an idea of writing just like which 411 00:21:45,960 --> 00:21:50,159 Speaker 3: sounds a really depressing, a short story collection all about 412 00:21:50,160 --> 00:21:54,119 Speaker 3: my grandpa's funeral, just from like different people's perspectives, but 413 00:21:54,280 --> 00:21:57,760 Speaker 3: not in a sad way, like in a fun funeral way. 414 00:21:59,119 --> 00:22:00,440 Speaker 3: I would love to see it. 415 00:22:01,760 --> 00:22:04,040 Speaker 1: I've been in some funerals and never been to a 416 00:22:04,080 --> 00:22:06,520 Speaker 1: fun one. You never even know a fun I've never 417 00:22:06,560 --> 00:22:08,200 Speaker 1: been to a fun funeral, have you. 418 00:22:08,280 --> 00:22:12,040 Speaker 3: I wouldn't say my grandpa's funeral was fun, but it 419 00:22:12,119 --> 00:22:14,320 Speaker 3: was kind of fun listening to those stories about him 420 00:22:14,520 --> 00:22:16,359 Speaker 3: because he's like such an old man and you know, 421 00:22:16,440 --> 00:22:18,240 Speaker 3: like all black men are not going to be talking 422 00:22:18,320 --> 00:22:21,400 Speaker 3: like that. Yeah, So like hearing his like cousin tell 423 00:22:21,480 --> 00:22:24,840 Speaker 3: stories about him, like you know when he was a kid, 424 00:22:24,920 --> 00:22:27,440 Speaker 3: Like who thinks about like what you were a kid? 425 00:22:27,680 --> 00:22:31,000 Speaker 3: How did that happen? So that was fun. So kind 426 00:22:31,040 --> 00:22:33,679 Speaker 3: of like delving into that is something I've been like 427 00:22:34,160 --> 00:22:35,920 Speaker 3: saying I'm going to do, but I've been like working 428 00:22:35,920 --> 00:22:37,560 Speaker 3: on this book and it's like, Okay, well, like I'm 429 00:22:37,560 --> 00:22:39,359 Speaker 3: on deadline for something else, Like I can't be like 430 00:22:39,400 --> 00:22:41,879 Speaker 3: talking about my grandpa be and dad again, but I 431 00:22:41,880 --> 00:22:45,320 Speaker 3: can see myself like working on that. But I'm apprehensive 432 00:22:45,359 --> 00:22:50,000 Speaker 3: about it because I've never done any fiction. So it's 433 00:22:50,040 --> 00:22:52,359 Speaker 3: like the world building that's like how do you build 434 00:22:52,359 --> 00:22:54,920 Speaker 3: a world? And it's not like even like how you're saying, 435 00:22:54,960 --> 00:22:59,840 Speaker 3: like fantasy or folklore where it's more imaginative. But I 436 00:23:00,040 --> 00:23:02,560 Speaker 3: still really it does not compute for me, like how 437 00:23:02,600 --> 00:23:03,440 Speaker 3: people do. 438 00:23:03,440 --> 00:23:06,640 Speaker 1: Do you think once you start building your characters more 439 00:23:06,680 --> 00:23:09,240 Speaker 1: that the world will show up around them? 440 00:23:09,600 --> 00:23:12,080 Speaker 3: Well, I say, the characters are like me and my family, 441 00:23:12,520 --> 00:23:14,560 Speaker 3: but you still have to build them on the page though. Yeah, 442 00:23:14,680 --> 00:23:17,480 Speaker 3: knowing them and the world isn't the same as them 443 00:23:17,520 --> 00:23:20,960 Speaker 3: being on the page. See, I didn't know that. Have 444 00:23:21,040 --> 00:23:22,160 Speaker 3: you interviewed your characters? 445 00:23:22,200 --> 00:23:25,560 Speaker 1: Have you tried doing that acting as your character and 446 00:23:25,640 --> 00:23:27,800 Speaker 1: thinking of what they would say in an interview? Or 447 00:23:27,840 --> 00:23:30,600 Speaker 1: I can do it with you acting as me. No, 448 00:23:30,680 --> 00:23:32,399 Speaker 1: So whoever's your characters? So let's say one of your 449 00:23:32,480 --> 00:23:37,200 Speaker 1: characters is your aunt? Okay, in this interview, you pretend 450 00:23:37,280 --> 00:23:40,240 Speaker 1: to be your aunt and answer questions how she would 451 00:23:40,240 --> 00:23:43,520 Speaker 1: answer questions. Okay, And so you would have to be 452 00:23:43,560 --> 00:23:45,280 Speaker 1: the interview in the interviewee, if you were doing it 453 00:23:45,280 --> 00:23:46,960 Speaker 1: on your own, but if you had a partner to 454 00:23:46,960 --> 00:23:50,040 Speaker 1: do it with you, I could ask you questions, and 455 00:23:50,080 --> 00:23:52,720 Speaker 1: I could be like, did how you feel at the 456 00:23:52,720 --> 00:23:55,600 Speaker 1: beginning of the funeral was it different than how you 457 00:23:55,640 --> 00:23:57,560 Speaker 1: felt at the end of the funeral? And then you 458 00:23:57,560 --> 00:24:00,000 Speaker 1: would answer how your aunt would answer for that story 459 00:24:00,200 --> 00:24:01,399 Speaker 1: in your short story collection. 460 00:24:02,320 --> 00:24:03,439 Speaker 3: Yeah, I haven't done any of that. 461 00:24:03,960 --> 00:24:06,600 Speaker 1: You can do it however you want to. I'm not 462 00:24:06,640 --> 00:24:08,320 Speaker 1: the one who creates ther balands. There are so many 463 00:24:08,320 --> 00:24:11,760 Speaker 1: different rules for how different people write. You know, everybody 464 00:24:11,760 --> 00:24:14,240 Speaker 1: will be like I'm an outliner, and I'm not an outliner. 465 00:24:15,400 --> 00:24:17,440 Speaker 1: I do all this before I just go into it. 466 00:24:17,760 --> 00:24:20,119 Speaker 1: I always have the MD planned out. Some people are like, 467 00:24:20,280 --> 00:24:22,199 Speaker 1: I never have the M planted out. I'll let what 468 00:24:22,240 --> 00:24:23,000 Speaker 1: happens happens. 469 00:24:23,080 --> 00:24:27,399 Speaker 3: That's crazy. Yeah. So we're consuming a lot of like 470 00:24:28,200 --> 00:24:32,199 Speaker 3: TikTok and YouTube about like how to write fiction, and 471 00:24:32,280 --> 00:24:35,320 Speaker 3: it is just like everyone has like an opinion and 472 00:24:35,320 --> 00:24:39,760 Speaker 3: they all contradict each other. Yeah, so I think I'll 473 00:24:39,760 --> 00:24:42,560 Speaker 3: just have to like start My thing is I'm too 474 00:24:42,640 --> 00:24:45,440 Speaker 3: I feel like I'm too brief. I feel like when 475 00:24:45,480 --> 00:24:48,600 Speaker 3: I speak, I'm pretty brief, and when i'm right, I'm 476 00:24:48,640 --> 00:24:51,879 Speaker 3: really brief. Because I don't want to like take people's 477 00:24:52,240 --> 00:24:54,720 Speaker 3: time for granted. So I'll be writing a short story 478 00:24:54,720 --> 00:24:55,879 Speaker 3: and it'll be like five hundred. 479 00:24:55,640 --> 00:24:59,800 Speaker 1: Words, like Girl, that's still a short story. 480 00:25:00,080 --> 00:25:02,280 Speaker 3: I like the five hundred word range a lot. Actually, 481 00:25:02,359 --> 00:25:05,159 Speaker 3: for sure. I like class fiction, but I wanted to 482 00:25:05,200 --> 00:25:08,520 Speaker 3: be short story that flash. Yeah, I gotcha. I wrote 483 00:25:08,560 --> 00:25:13,280 Speaker 3: one and I showed it to somebody there. Okay, So 484 00:25:13,720 --> 00:25:16,200 Speaker 3: I had the idea of my grandpa's funeral short stories, 485 00:25:16,200 --> 00:25:18,240 Speaker 3: and then I also want to do short story on scammers. 486 00:25:18,560 --> 00:25:21,000 Speaker 3: I remember you telling me about this one, so the 487 00:25:21,119 --> 00:25:25,199 Speaker 3: gamer one. I had tried to write it Girl. The 488 00:25:25,200 --> 00:25:26,720 Speaker 3: first time I showed it too, was trying to be nice, 489 00:25:26,720 --> 00:25:28,960 Speaker 3: but I could tell it was really bad. It was 490 00:25:29,000 --> 00:25:32,000 Speaker 3: just like like I knew what I wanted to say, 491 00:25:32,080 --> 00:25:33,560 Speaker 3: and I just like rushed getting there. 492 00:25:33,800 --> 00:25:37,080 Speaker 1: That's just called more drafts. Don't be hard on yourself. 493 00:25:37,160 --> 00:25:39,480 Speaker 1: That's definitely not a thing to do in this craft 494 00:25:39,560 --> 00:25:42,280 Speaker 1: that you're working in. You already got to put a 495 00:25:42,280 --> 00:25:48,040 Speaker 1: lot of I know, well, I'm sure you'll find join 496 00:25:48,080 --> 00:25:50,960 Speaker 1: the process, and I hope that I do too. I 497 00:25:51,119 --> 00:25:53,040 Speaker 1: like this, like that we're trying to go in different 498 00:25:53,040 --> 00:25:55,919 Speaker 1: directions in the new year than what we're used to, 499 00:25:56,240 --> 00:25:59,399 Speaker 1: like opening ourselves up, building on things that we've already 500 00:25:59,400 --> 00:26:02,440 Speaker 1: been building on like with you and the sociology books 501 00:26:02,440 --> 00:26:06,280 Speaker 1: and going deeper into that. I think that it's important 502 00:26:06,280 --> 00:26:08,480 Speaker 1: to be in the present and not to be too 503 00:26:09,240 --> 00:26:13,480 Speaker 1: focused on, you know, everything being perfect in the new year. 504 00:26:13,960 --> 00:26:16,320 Speaker 1: Is still really nice to have something to work toward 505 00:26:16,480 --> 00:26:18,760 Speaker 1: and know that, like in any moment, if something calls 506 00:26:18,760 --> 00:26:20,760 Speaker 1: to us more, then we can go that direction. 507 00:26:21,240 --> 00:26:24,919 Speaker 3: Oh for sure, for sure A little loose outline, if 508 00:26:24,960 --> 00:26:31,720 Speaker 3: you will, h So you're outliner, loosely loosely? Are we 509 00:26:31,760 --> 00:26:33,560 Speaker 3: ready for real credits? Yes? 510 00:26:34,400 --> 00:26:38,520 Speaker 1: Today, I want to give credit to early mornings when 511 00:26:39,080 --> 00:26:42,320 Speaker 1: the air is still, the skies are dark, when the 512 00:26:42,320 --> 00:26:46,840 Speaker 1: birds aren't churfing yet, and everything's quiet, that kind of 513 00:26:47,000 --> 00:26:52,960 Speaker 1: sacred time where it's nice to just not try not 514 00:26:53,040 --> 00:26:55,960 Speaker 1: something that it always happens for me, but try to 515 00:26:56,000 --> 00:26:58,919 Speaker 1: not be bogged down about the day, about everything that 516 00:26:59,000 --> 00:27:01,240 Speaker 1: I have to do. When I can take a moment 517 00:27:01,280 --> 00:27:03,600 Speaker 1: to ease into the day and to settle into the day, 518 00:27:04,080 --> 00:27:08,439 Speaker 1: I want to give credit to that precious part of 519 00:27:08,480 --> 00:27:09,000 Speaker 1: the day. 520 00:27:10,359 --> 00:27:15,199 Speaker 3: Varies any of you. I'd like to give credit to 521 00:27:16,480 --> 00:27:20,080 Speaker 3: inter generational friendships. It's funny because I always complain about 522 00:27:20,119 --> 00:27:22,360 Speaker 3: not having any friends and I feel like I've made 523 00:27:22,359 --> 00:27:23,879 Speaker 3: a lot of friends this year, but they're all like 524 00:27:23,920 --> 00:27:26,720 Speaker 3: in their seventies, eighties, and nineties, people that used to 525 00:27:26,760 --> 00:27:30,080 Speaker 3: own black bookstores that I've gotten to know over the 526 00:27:30,160 --> 00:27:34,680 Speaker 3: last two years. So if you're listening, a high Miss 527 00:27:34,760 --> 00:27:38,280 Speaker 3: Daphne Muse, Glenda Lynn Johnson, who makes sure I do 528 00:27:38,400 --> 00:27:41,120 Speaker 3: not call her miss. She does not like that she's 529 00:27:41,160 --> 00:27:44,200 Speaker 3: a New yorka and does not play with me. These 530 00:27:44,240 --> 00:27:48,399 Speaker 3: people aren't people I would typically like run into, you know, 531 00:27:49,000 --> 00:27:51,480 Speaker 3: And I think it's there's so much to learn from 532 00:27:51,720 --> 00:27:54,440 Speaker 3: intergenerational friendships. I think they learn something from me, and 533 00:27:54,480 --> 00:27:56,399 Speaker 3: I definitely learn a lot from them and like being 534 00:27:56,920 --> 00:27:59,760 Speaker 3: in their presence and company. They just lived a lot 535 00:27:59,760 --> 00:28:02,679 Speaker 3: of life and it's fun that they share some of 536 00:28:02,680 --> 00:28:06,280 Speaker 3: their stories with me. I love the I second that too. 537 00:28:06,440 --> 00:28:08,200 Speaker 1: I know I can't choose two world credits, but I'm 538 00:28:08,240 --> 00:28:10,920 Speaker 1: just gonna say that's been in my life this week 539 00:28:10,960 --> 00:28:11,240 Speaker 1: as well. 540 00:28:11,240 --> 00:28:13,040 Speaker 3: So I like that you brought that up. Oh cool, 541 00:28:13,840 --> 00:28:16,680 Speaker 3: And that's all we have for this week. By all. 542 00:28:17,240 --> 00:28:24,760 Speaker 1: Peace on Theme is a production of iHeartRadio and Fairweather 543 00:28:24,800 --> 00:28:28,440 Speaker 1: Friends Media. This episode was written by Eves, Jeffco and 544 00:28:28,520 --> 00:28:31,960 Speaker 1: Katie Mitchell. It was edited and produced by Tari Harrison. 545 00:28:32,520 --> 00:28:36,080 Speaker 1: Follow us on Instagram at on Themeshow. 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