1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:03,320 Speaker 1: Welcome to today's edition of the Clay Travis and Buck 2 00:00:03,360 --> 00:00:08,119 Speaker 1: Sexton Show podcast O. Welcome in Thursday edition Clay Travis 3 00:00:08,200 --> 00:00:11,600 Speaker 1: buck Sexton Show. I appreciate all of you hanging out 4 00:00:11,600 --> 00:00:14,480 Speaker 1: with us. I'm headed up to the Sweet sixteen. Buck 5 00:00:14,560 --> 00:00:17,119 Speaker 1: doesn't even know what the Sweet sixteen is. As the 6 00:00:17,200 --> 00:00:20,279 Speaker 1: NCAA tournament rolls on, I will be in New York 7 00:00:20,320 --> 00:00:23,599 Speaker 1: City before for too long for games tonight, Michigan State 8 00:00:23,680 --> 00:00:28,480 Speaker 1: going up against Who's Michigan State playing Kansas State, Tennessee 9 00:00:28,480 --> 00:00:31,560 Speaker 1: against FAU. I cannot wait for Madison Square Garden. That 10 00:00:31,680 --> 00:00:34,080 Speaker 1: is where I am headed. And it's interesting I'll be 11 00:00:34,120 --> 00:00:37,879 Speaker 1: headed to New York City where Buckett doesn't appear that 12 00:00:37,920 --> 00:00:41,000 Speaker 1: there is going to be an indictment of Donald Trump, 13 00:00:41,159 --> 00:00:45,960 Speaker 1: at least this week, which makes you wonder what might 14 00:00:46,080 --> 00:00:50,480 Speaker 1: be going on with Alvin Bragg's investigation and whether there 15 00:00:50,560 --> 00:00:54,320 Speaker 1: is now pushback emerging. Given, as we have discussed on 16 00:00:54,360 --> 00:00:59,240 Speaker 1: this program, the extremely novel and I think flight frankly 17 00:01:00,120 --> 00:01:03,560 Speaker 1: likely to be overturned theory upon which he is trying 18 00:01:03,600 --> 00:01:08,440 Speaker 1: to bring cases against Donald Trump. The data again, the 19 00:01:08,480 --> 00:01:11,120 Speaker 1: evidence this week reflects that it does not appear that 20 00:01:11,160 --> 00:01:13,240 Speaker 1: there's going to be an indictment this week, I would say, 21 00:01:13,280 --> 00:01:14,920 Speaker 1: and I'm curious what you think about this right off 22 00:01:14,959 --> 00:01:19,040 Speaker 1: the top, Buck, The longer we go without an official 23 00:01:19,040 --> 00:01:22,280 Speaker 1: indictment coming down, the more I think it's fair to 24 00:01:22,319 --> 00:01:26,440 Speaker 1: say there are behind the scenes shenanigans going on that 25 00:01:26,480 --> 00:01:29,959 Speaker 1: are putting into question whether Alvin Bragg is going to 26 00:01:30,000 --> 00:01:32,640 Speaker 1: be bringing charges in this case or not. Would you 27 00:01:32,680 --> 00:01:36,360 Speaker 1: analyze it that way? Oh yeah, I mean delay does 28 00:01:36,440 --> 00:01:40,240 Speaker 1: not favor the decision here because, first of all, for 29 00:01:40,280 --> 00:01:44,480 Speaker 1: a prosecutor, it just creates a further sense that you 30 00:01:44,560 --> 00:01:47,800 Speaker 1: are uncertain because the facts aren't really in dispute here. 31 00:01:47,880 --> 00:01:51,760 Speaker 1: That's what's so, that's what's interesting about this. It's not like, 32 00:01:51,800 --> 00:01:54,280 Speaker 1: I mean Trump whether he had a Stormy daniels a 33 00:01:54,320 --> 00:01:56,600 Speaker 1: fair enough people dispute that, but the payment is not 34 00:01:56,680 --> 00:02:02,040 Speaker 1: in dispute, right, and really very minimal bookkeeping aspects of 35 00:02:02,040 --> 00:02:04,560 Speaker 1: this or what people are discussing. So yeah, the longer 36 00:02:04,600 --> 00:02:07,120 Speaker 1: you wait on this one, if you're brag, I think, 37 00:02:07,320 --> 00:02:09,440 Speaker 1: the less likely it is to come down. And this 38 00:02:09,520 --> 00:02:12,600 Speaker 1: might be one of the biggest non story stories in 39 00:02:12,680 --> 00:02:15,480 Speaker 1: recent news cycle history. I do wonder what it's going 40 00:02:15,520 --> 00:02:18,720 Speaker 1: to do for Trump camp member he's official, he's a 41 00:02:18,720 --> 00:02:21,960 Speaker 1: candidate Trump fundraising. I've seen some of the text messages 42 00:02:21,960 --> 00:02:24,480 Speaker 1: and emails going out on this to raise funds. Sure, 43 00:02:24,600 --> 00:02:27,239 Speaker 1: you've seen some two Clay They probably, I would guess 44 00:02:27,280 --> 00:02:29,800 Speaker 1: they will end up raising more money in the last 45 00:02:29,840 --> 00:02:32,680 Speaker 1: two weeks of the first quarter of this year than 46 00:02:32,720 --> 00:02:35,519 Speaker 1: they did in the entire rest of the quarter put together. 47 00:02:35,560 --> 00:02:37,240 Speaker 1: That's just a guess. But they're gonna have to make 48 00:02:37,280 --> 00:02:41,240 Speaker 1: that public. We'll see. So that is there. We're gonna 49 00:02:41,240 --> 00:02:44,560 Speaker 1: talk with Julie Kelly, who has been phenomenal on so 50 00:02:44,639 --> 00:02:48,400 Speaker 1: many of these legal related issues at one thirty Eastern. 51 00:02:48,520 --> 00:02:51,280 Speaker 1: She will join us, will get the absolute latest there. 52 00:02:51,440 --> 00:02:55,079 Speaker 1: Other things that are going on, we have got continued 53 00:02:55,200 --> 00:03:01,240 Speaker 1: fallout over the absurdity of transgender men transgender women that 54 00:03:01,280 --> 00:03:04,520 Speaker 1: as men who are identifying as women continuing to dominate 55 00:03:04,560 --> 00:03:06,760 Speaker 1: women's athletics. We're gonna have some fun with some of 56 00:03:06,760 --> 00:03:10,720 Speaker 1: the clips that are absurd out there that as this 57 00:03:10,800 --> 00:03:13,359 Speaker 1: continues to become more and more of an issue all 58 00:03:13,400 --> 00:03:17,560 Speaker 1: over the country, the absurdity of it all continues to grow. 59 00:03:18,240 --> 00:03:22,320 Speaker 1: But right now, as we are speaking, I believe there 60 00:03:22,400 --> 00:03:26,480 Speaker 1: is a hearing on Capitol Hill surrounding TikTok, which has 61 00:03:26,520 --> 00:03:32,320 Speaker 1: turned into a major embrolio coming back from Italy. I'll 62 00:03:32,400 --> 00:03:37,720 Speaker 1: break it out there over what should we do about TikTok? Now, 63 00:03:37,760 --> 00:03:40,280 Speaker 1: I want to give buck for the audience out there 64 00:03:40,800 --> 00:03:44,280 Speaker 1: a quick sort of synopsis of what TikTok is, because 65 00:03:44,360 --> 00:03:48,200 Speaker 1: I am quite confident that this audience is not very 66 00:03:48,240 --> 00:03:51,280 Speaker 1: active on TikTok. I'm just gonna I'm just gonna make 67 00:03:51,720 --> 00:03:55,320 Speaker 1: a wild guess there. But chances are your kids or 68 00:03:55,480 --> 00:04:00,880 Speaker 1: grandkids are on TikTok, and they probably are fairly active 69 00:04:00,960 --> 00:04:06,280 Speaker 1: there because it is wildly popular with young kids. If 70 00:04:06,320 --> 00:04:10,160 Speaker 1: your kids or grandkids are ages let's say twelve to seventeen, 71 00:04:10,840 --> 00:04:13,840 Speaker 1: there's almost one hundred percent chance that they are active 72 00:04:13,960 --> 00:04:18,080 Speaker 1: on TikTok. I think that's probably the foundational power base 73 00:04:18,240 --> 00:04:22,320 Speaker 1: of TikTok in general. Buck, TikTok right now is where 74 00:04:22,360 --> 00:04:28,480 Speaker 1: Facebook was in this country over a decade ago, when people, 75 00:04:28,880 --> 00:04:31,240 Speaker 1: when a huge number of people were on it, on 76 00:04:31,360 --> 00:04:33,280 Speaker 1: it a lot, and on it for a long period 77 00:04:33,279 --> 00:04:35,440 Speaker 1: of time. There are one hundred and fifty million Americans 78 00:04:35,480 --> 00:04:38,880 Speaker 1: who at least sometimes use TikTok. But if you look 79 00:04:38,920 --> 00:04:42,839 Speaker 1: at the data and it's It's particularly popular among young people. 80 00:04:42,880 --> 00:04:46,000 Speaker 1: It's kind of taken Snapchat's play. Snapchat was I'm too 81 00:04:46,040 --> 00:04:48,920 Speaker 1: young and cool for Facebook, but now TikTok is I'm 82 00:04:48,960 --> 00:04:52,560 Speaker 1: too young and cool for Snapchat. But it has taken over. 83 00:04:52,680 --> 00:04:56,599 Speaker 1: It is the you know, the zeitgeist of social media 84 00:04:56,680 --> 00:04:58,720 Speaker 1: right now is TikTok with one hundred and fifty million 85 00:04:58,839 --> 00:05:02,120 Speaker 1: US users, and people will sit on at clay for hours, 86 00:05:02,520 --> 00:05:05,400 Speaker 1: for hours. It is attentive. And I will tell you 87 00:05:05,440 --> 00:05:10,480 Speaker 1: that your kids or grandkids use TikTok like you might 88 00:05:10,760 --> 00:05:14,520 Speaker 1: use Google. In other words, they just go into TikTok 89 00:05:14,520 --> 00:05:17,440 Speaker 1: and type in a query, a question, and then they'll 90 00:05:17,480 --> 00:05:22,120 Speaker 1: just run with whatever. The feedback they get there is buck. 91 00:05:22,160 --> 00:05:24,479 Speaker 1: I don't know how active you are on TikTok. We 92 00:05:24,560 --> 00:05:29,520 Speaker 1: have got OutKick does a TikTok account that I'm amazed. 93 00:05:29,560 --> 00:05:32,640 Speaker 1: Sometimes we have videos that we put up, some of 94 00:05:32,640 --> 00:05:35,880 Speaker 1: them do eight or ten million views. I mean, it 95 00:05:36,040 --> 00:05:39,000 Speaker 1: is unbelievable when one of these things catches fire, how 96 00:05:39,040 --> 00:05:43,120 Speaker 1: massive the influence can be. The difference. I would say 97 00:05:43,440 --> 00:05:44,960 Speaker 1: for those of you out there who might say I'm 98 00:05:44,960 --> 00:05:46,920 Speaker 1: never gonna be on TikTok, some of you are probably 99 00:05:46,920 --> 00:05:48,919 Speaker 1: like I'm fed up with Facebook. I don't trust Twitter. 100 00:05:48,960 --> 00:05:51,000 Speaker 1: I'm not gonna get on Instagram. I understand all that 101 00:05:51,560 --> 00:05:58,440 Speaker 1: the difference is Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, Snapchat all American owned companies. 102 00:05:58,920 --> 00:06:02,359 Speaker 1: TikTok is a Chinese company, and the Chinese Communist Party 103 00:06:02,760 --> 00:06:07,400 Speaker 1: has in many ways control over every Chinese company to 104 00:06:07,640 --> 00:06:11,160 Speaker 1: some degree, certainly to a degree that doesn't exist in 105 00:06:11,200 --> 00:06:14,599 Speaker 1: the United States at all. So the question that is 106 00:06:14,600 --> 00:06:17,840 Speaker 1: out there and being debated today is I think an 107 00:06:17,839 --> 00:06:21,599 Speaker 1: important one. What should happen with TikTok. You'll remember Trump 108 00:06:21,680 --> 00:06:25,880 Speaker 1: tried to force TikTok's American assets to be sold to 109 00:06:26,120 --> 00:06:29,320 Speaker 1: I believe it was Oracle, and was it Facebook or 110 00:06:29,360 --> 00:06:31,320 Speaker 1: Oracle and somebody else that was going to buy the 111 00:06:31,320 --> 00:06:34,680 Speaker 1: TikTok American assets, and then that thing fell apart over 112 00:06:34,760 --> 00:06:39,400 Speaker 1: court rulings. Now the Biden administration is actually taking essentially 113 00:06:39,440 --> 00:06:42,920 Speaker 1: the same position as Trump and demanding that this not 114 00:06:43,040 --> 00:06:46,560 Speaker 1: be a Chinese owned company because there are fears that 115 00:06:46,760 --> 00:06:51,200 Speaker 1: China is using TikTok to spy on American users. So 116 00:06:51,560 --> 00:06:53,440 Speaker 1: that is the backdrop that is what is going on 117 00:06:53,560 --> 00:06:57,080 Speaker 1: here right now. Buck, What is your perspective on what 118 00:06:57,200 --> 00:07:00,040 Speaker 1: should happen with TikTok based on your knowledge of the 119 00:07:00,080 --> 00:07:03,160 Speaker 1: app and where it lies in the larger social media universe. 120 00:07:03,640 --> 00:07:06,480 Speaker 1: I'm I'm a little bit of a dissident on this issue. 121 00:07:06,680 --> 00:07:09,840 Speaker 1: I think that there there's one congressman out of New 122 00:07:09,920 --> 00:07:15,200 Speaker 1: York I'm forget, thank you, Jamal Bowman who thinks that 123 00:07:15,200 --> 00:07:18,600 Speaker 1: there's a bit of anti China hysteria around this. I 124 00:07:18,640 --> 00:07:21,080 Speaker 1: actually think he's right, and I and this is something 125 00:07:21,080 --> 00:07:22,880 Speaker 1: and I understand I'm out there on my own on 126 00:07:22,920 --> 00:07:25,760 Speaker 1: this one. But first of all, let me let me 127 00:07:25,800 --> 00:07:28,920 Speaker 1: just make my case before people start yelling at Sexton, 128 00:07:29,200 --> 00:07:33,560 Speaker 1: left wing New York. Yeah. So, so here's what I'll 129 00:07:33,600 --> 00:07:36,840 Speaker 1: say about it. Um. First of all, if you're worried 130 00:07:36,880 --> 00:07:43,000 Speaker 1: about brainwashing of your children and and also about politicization 131 00:07:43,520 --> 00:07:47,760 Speaker 1: and weaponization, we haven't even touched Okay, we've seen what's 132 00:07:47,760 --> 00:07:50,400 Speaker 1: going on with Twitter, thank you Elon. We haven't even 133 00:07:50,440 --> 00:07:54,680 Speaker 1: touched Facebook. We haven't even touched Instagram, we haven't touched YouTube, 134 00:07:54,760 --> 00:07:58,800 Speaker 1: we haven't touched Google. They are far more powerful, far 135 00:07:58,920 --> 00:08:01,680 Speaker 1: more influential, and as you saw during COVID and the 136 00:08:01,680 --> 00:08:04,880 Speaker 1: twenty twenty election and other areas, you look into a 137 00:08:05,040 --> 00:08:08,360 Speaker 1: much bigger threat to our freedom of speech, our freedom 138 00:08:08,400 --> 00:08:11,360 Speaker 1: of you know, democracy, whatever. I mean, it's those are 139 00:08:11,600 --> 00:08:16,080 Speaker 1: for me such a bigger challenge than the idea that 140 00:08:16,200 --> 00:08:19,480 Speaker 1: China is going to be programming your kids over the 141 00:08:19,480 --> 00:08:22,840 Speaker 1: next few decades to be anti American and weak. I 142 00:08:22,840 --> 00:08:24,800 Speaker 1: want to say, what do you think YouTube is doing? 143 00:08:24,880 --> 00:08:27,640 Speaker 1: By the way, I mean, so, that's my first you know, 144 00:08:27,680 --> 00:08:31,080 Speaker 1: that's my first line of So your first line, and 145 00:08:31,600 --> 00:08:34,400 Speaker 1: I think I agree as a parent, is that social 146 00:08:34,440 --> 00:08:40,400 Speaker 1: media is troubling to you. TikTok is not distinguishingly troubling 147 00:08:40,440 --> 00:08:43,800 Speaker 1: to you relative to the overall social media environment. Yeah, 148 00:08:43,960 --> 00:08:47,480 Speaker 1: I think that TikTok is not. And I look, I'm 149 00:08:47,520 --> 00:08:50,360 Speaker 1: not I'm not somebody who's actively posting on TikTok Um. 150 00:08:50,520 --> 00:08:52,320 Speaker 1: There is a TikTok account that picks up some of 151 00:08:52,360 --> 00:08:54,640 Speaker 1: my stuff, but I'm not, you know, using it that way. 152 00:08:54,920 --> 00:08:56,839 Speaker 1: But I do go on there. They make a lot 153 00:08:56,840 --> 00:08:59,040 Speaker 1: of great little videos about how to sear the perfect 154 00:08:59,320 --> 00:09:01,840 Speaker 1: ribi and other things. It is very addictive. I will 155 00:09:01,880 --> 00:09:03,400 Speaker 1: tell you, be prepared to lose a lot of time 156 00:09:03,480 --> 00:09:06,360 Speaker 1: using it. But okay, I a point one other social 157 00:09:06,360 --> 00:09:08,839 Speaker 1: media platforms and anybody who knows anything about Google and 158 00:09:08,880 --> 00:09:12,439 Speaker 1: YouTube would agree with me. They're infinitely more powerful right 159 00:09:12,480 --> 00:09:15,520 Speaker 1: now and more influential in online conversation I think than 160 00:09:15,559 --> 00:09:17,480 Speaker 1: TikTok is TikTok is powerful, don't get me right. I 161 00:09:17,520 --> 00:09:22,480 Speaker 1: shouldn't say infinitely, but substantially, substantially more powerful. The second 162 00:09:22,480 --> 00:09:25,040 Speaker 1: point is okay, So now we have the government saying 163 00:09:25,200 --> 00:09:27,760 Speaker 1: we don't like to content on a platform, so we're 164 00:09:27,800 --> 00:09:30,400 Speaker 1: going to banning. And I understand it's really easy when 165 00:09:30,400 --> 00:09:33,000 Speaker 1: you think of it as the Chinese Communist Party. They 166 00:09:33,080 --> 00:09:36,200 Speaker 1: are our opponents on the world stage, to be sure, 167 00:09:36,520 --> 00:09:38,040 Speaker 1: and that's real and I feel that, and we talk 168 00:09:38,080 --> 00:09:40,439 Speaker 1: about that here all the time. But does anyone think 169 00:09:40,440 --> 00:09:43,760 Speaker 1: that democrats that their mindset is only on this one? 170 00:09:43,800 --> 00:09:46,040 Speaker 1: Should we ban the platform that we don't like. Look 171 00:09:46,080 --> 00:09:50,120 Speaker 1: what they did to Parlor with Amazon Web Services, knocking 172 00:09:50,160 --> 00:09:53,040 Speaker 1: them down. Democrats will always try to find a way 173 00:09:53,040 --> 00:09:55,400 Speaker 1: to destroy platforms they don't like. And when we go 174 00:09:55,440 --> 00:09:58,600 Speaker 1: along with them, which a lot of Republicans again I'm 175 00:09:58,640 --> 00:10:00,400 Speaker 1: on my own on this, when we go along with them, 176 00:10:00,480 --> 00:10:03,280 Speaker 1: you're encouraging that. You know. It's interesting we banned Russia 177 00:10:03,360 --> 00:10:06,600 Speaker 1: today in this country as the Russian cable news propaganda 178 00:10:06,679 --> 00:10:08,080 Speaker 1: channel and I kind of felt the same way. I 179 00:10:08,120 --> 00:10:11,240 Speaker 1: was like, CNN is far more destructive to America than 180 00:10:11,320 --> 00:10:15,000 Speaker 1: Russia today. Yeah, I understand foreign ownership. Third point and 181 00:10:15,040 --> 00:10:18,280 Speaker 1: maybe the best point here in my defense on this issue. 182 00:10:18,920 --> 00:10:21,360 Speaker 1: The plan that they have now I have not privy 183 00:10:21,400 --> 00:10:23,520 Speaker 1: to the the negotiations in the day to day of it 184 00:10:23,600 --> 00:10:28,200 Speaker 1: is called Project Texas. And they're going to have all 185 00:10:28,360 --> 00:10:32,280 Speaker 1: data generated by Americans on servers run and operated and 186 00:10:32,320 --> 00:10:36,079 Speaker 1: owned by Oracle, an American company, And this would be 187 00:10:36,120 --> 00:10:40,640 Speaker 1: an Austin Texas and only Oracle and the US based 188 00:10:40,679 --> 00:10:43,920 Speaker 1: employees of TikTok would have access to any of those servers, 189 00:10:44,040 --> 00:10:47,240 Speaker 1: any of those data, and would be subject to you know, 190 00:10:47,280 --> 00:10:49,600 Speaker 1: audits and you know, look at where the backup recording 191 00:10:49,640 --> 00:10:52,040 Speaker 1: is going and everything else. Now you could say those 192 00:10:52,080 --> 00:10:56,080 Speaker 1: TikTok employees, well, you know, oh, they're just gonna try 193 00:10:56,080 --> 00:10:58,839 Speaker 1: to find ways to back to where TikTok. I mean, 194 00:10:59,120 --> 00:11:02,080 Speaker 1: other social media companies have employees that also could very 195 00:11:02,120 --> 00:11:05,360 Speaker 1: easily backdoor information to China in that circumstance. Right, if 196 00:11:05,360 --> 00:11:08,719 Speaker 1: you're going to say that US based infrastructure and architecture 197 00:11:08,760 --> 00:11:12,120 Speaker 1: is subject to Chinese espionage, I'm going to say absolutely. 198 00:11:12,760 --> 00:11:15,800 Speaker 1: But there are plenty of Chinese nationals that are high 199 00:11:15,800 --> 00:11:18,840 Speaker 1: tech universities and everything else. So I don't see why. 200 00:11:18,880 --> 00:11:20,920 Speaker 1: I guess I don't see why TikTok is so much 201 00:11:20,960 --> 00:11:23,600 Speaker 1: worse in that context than some of these other social 202 00:11:23,600 --> 00:11:26,360 Speaker 1: media companies. And I will say this, I am. I mean, 203 00:11:26,400 --> 00:11:29,760 Speaker 1: it's like me. I think Glenn Greenwald. There's like five 204 00:11:29,800 --> 00:11:31,760 Speaker 1: of us who take this position right now, but I'm 205 00:11:31,760 --> 00:11:34,320 Speaker 1: one of them. Yeah, So I actually am on the 206 00:11:34,360 --> 00:11:38,720 Speaker 1: flip side here, and I appreciate and understand all of 207 00:11:38,760 --> 00:11:41,840 Speaker 1: those arguments. I think they are. I think they're solid. 208 00:11:42,360 --> 00:11:46,480 Speaker 1: Here's what I would say. China doesn't allow Twitter, they 209 00:11:46,520 --> 00:11:50,520 Speaker 1: don't allow Facebook, they don't allow Google. I don't think 210 00:11:50,559 --> 00:11:55,600 Speaker 1: they allow Instagram. They don't allow American companies access to 211 00:11:55,760 --> 00:12:00,319 Speaker 1: the Chinese marketplace to compete in their country. And my 212 00:12:00,400 --> 00:12:04,200 Speaker 1: position is just not even focused on TikTok in general. 213 00:12:04,559 --> 00:12:09,400 Speaker 1: If China won't open its market for fair competition in 214 00:12:09,520 --> 00:12:15,000 Speaker 1: social media again, YouTube not allowed, Twitter not allowed. I 215 00:12:15,000 --> 00:12:18,520 Speaker 1: don't think Google hardly is allowed, Facebook certainly is, and 216 00:12:18,640 --> 00:12:21,160 Speaker 1: all these companies are not allowed that are big social 217 00:12:21,200 --> 00:12:25,040 Speaker 1: media behemoths in the United States. My thing is, if 218 00:12:25,080 --> 00:12:29,320 Speaker 1: they won't let us have access to their citizens, and 219 00:12:29,440 --> 00:12:32,679 Speaker 1: they're demanding that they continue to have access to our citizens. 220 00:12:32,920 --> 00:12:36,840 Speaker 1: We're playing on an unequal playing field from a competitive basis, 221 00:12:37,160 --> 00:12:40,679 Speaker 1: and so I would demand that TikTok either pull out 222 00:12:40,720 --> 00:12:44,160 Speaker 1: of the United States or probably more likely sell its 223 00:12:44,280 --> 00:12:47,800 Speaker 1: United States assets in some way in the United States. 224 00:12:48,160 --> 00:12:49,760 Speaker 1: That would be That would be my position if I 225 00:12:49,840 --> 00:12:52,880 Speaker 1: were right now on Capitol Again, I think that's a 226 00:12:53,000 --> 00:12:55,880 Speaker 1: very also, I think that's a strong argument, But we 227 00:12:56,240 --> 00:12:59,120 Speaker 1: all end up in this same place. They're talking about 228 00:12:59,120 --> 00:13:01,320 Speaker 1: a band to be clear to everybody. Yeah, I'm saying 229 00:13:01,360 --> 00:13:03,719 Speaker 1: I think a ban is a bad idea, and I 230 00:13:03,720 --> 00:13:05,679 Speaker 1: don't thinking me say this too. I don't think a 231 00:13:05,679 --> 00:13:09,520 Speaker 1: ban would work. Buck kids are smarter than all of 232 00:13:09,600 --> 00:13:11,760 Speaker 1: us are when it comes to getting access to tech. 233 00:13:11,880 --> 00:13:14,360 Speaker 1: I just I don't understand how we would suddenly stop 234 00:13:14,400 --> 00:13:17,599 Speaker 1: people from using TikTok. You know, I think a reasonable 235 00:13:18,120 --> 00:13:23,280 Speaker 1: national security and US interest compromise is if all the 236 00:13:23,360 --> 00:13:28,480 Speaker 1: assets are based here, it's US personnel, American citizens, Oracle 237 00:13:28,600 --> 00:13:31,520 Speaker 1: the company that's backing up all the servers and data 238 00:13:31,600 --> 00:13:33,880 Speaker 1: not just for you and for your companies, but you know, 239 00:13:33,920 --> 00:13:37,120 Speaker 1: for the US government, a lot of capacity, right, I mean, 240 00:13:37,679 --> 00:13:41,480 Speaker 1: Oracle could be Amazon Web Services, doesn't matter. Larry Ellison's 241 00:13:41,480 --> 00:13:44,120 Speaker 1: a pretty big Republican for people out there who runs 242 00:13:44,200 --> 00:13:47,280 Speaker 1: Oracle effectively. Right, So I'm not disagreeing with the people 243 00:13:47,320 --> 00:13:49,719 Speaker 1: that say that TikTok something has to change about it. 244 00:13:49,760 --> 00:13:53,200 Speaker 1: I just think this notion of a band sets a 245 00:13:53,280 --> 00:13:56,560 Speaker 1: precedent that I don't like, is heavy handed in a 246 00:13:56,600 --> 00:14:01,920 Speaker 1: way that's that's unhelpful. And I think that also, you know, 247 00:14:01,960 --> 00:14:04,880 Speaker 1: there are some areas where we're gonna want to say, yeah, fine, 248 00:14:05,040 --> 00:14:09,720 Speaker 1: the trade practices issue certainly something we should address. But also, 249 00:14:10,559 --> 00:14:14,040 Speaker 1: you know, if we're going to be shutting out external 250 00:14:14,320 --> 00:14:17,199 Speaker 1: media from the rest of the world, then we're definitely 251 00:14:17,240 --> 00:14:18,920 Speaker 1: going to be as a country in a position where 252 00:14:18,920 --> 00:14:21,560 Speaker 1: we start telling other places, hey, you guys are so 253 00:14:21,640 --> 00:14:23,920 Speaker 1: closed off and you're not allowing you know, the global 254 00:14:23,960 --> 00:14:26,520 Speaker 1: Internet to be truly free. And they're gonna say, you mean, 255 00:14:26,520 --> 00:14:28,640 Speaker 1: you guys are the ones who banned TikTok, Right. So 256 00:14:28,920 --> 00:14:31,920 Speaker 1: I don't like that precedent either over the long term, 257 00:14:31,920 --> 00:14:34,160 Speaker 1: but I look, I understand why there are concerns about 258 00:14:34,160 --> 00:14:36,680 Speaker 1: it now. I also just think, I mean, I just 259 00:14:36,720 --> 00:14:39,880 Speaker 1: think Google and YouTube are there are the big This 260 00:14:39,960 --> 00:14:42,480 Speaker 1: is the big dragon that nobody has stepped up to understand. 261 00:14:42,640 --> 00:14:45,880 Speaker 1: They are programming your kids right now. They are programming 262 00:14:45,920 --> 00:14:49,200 Speaker 1: them with anti americanism, and they are American, and they're 263 00:14:49,240 --> 00:14:52,400 Speaker 1: here on us soil. YouTube And this is just me 264 00:14:52,520 --> 00:14:56,720 Speaker 1: speaking as a dad. YouTube and TikTok are the two 265 00:14:57,520 --> 00:15:00,920 Speaker 1: social media apps that my boys in by far the 266 00:15:01,000 --> 00:15:05,120 Speaker 1: most time on. They're not on Facebook, they're not on Instagram, 267 00:15:05,320 --> 00:15:07,480 Speaker 1: they're not really on Twitter, and we try to keep 268 00:15:07,520 --> 00:15:10,680 Speaker 1: them off social media in general. But they're on YouTube 269 00:15:11,000 --> 00:15:13,680 Speaker 1: and they are on TikTok. I think it's hard to 270 00:15:13,720 --> 00:15:15,600 Speaker 1: keep them off both. Just by way of giving everyone 271 00:15:15,680 --> 00:15:18,280 Speaker 1: a sense of the context here, YouTube has two hundred 272 00:15:18,360 --> 00:15:22,080 Speaker 1: million based US used. Yeah right, so not TikTok is 273 00:15:22,680 --> 00:15:24,680 Speaker 1: up there, but it's not quite in the same at 274 00:15:24,720 --> 00:15:28,040 Speaker 1: the same category yet, so we'll see. We'll see. Also, 275 00:15:28,120 --> 00:15:30,160 Speaker 1: just don't trust the Biden administration. So when they call 276 00:15:30,240 --> 00:15:32,360 Speaker 1: for a band, I'm like, I don't know, what are 277 00:15:32,360 --> 00:15:34,800 Speaker 1: you abandon? Well, you know what's funny is the Biden 278 00:15:34,840 --> 00:15:37,240 Speaker 1: administration politically is kind of in an interesting spot. We 279 00:15:37,280 --> 00:15:41,080 Speaker 1: come back buck. We can mention this because they're overwhelmingly 280 00:15:41,080 --> 00:15:44,520 Speaker 1: supported by gen Z and gen Z would be furious 281 00:15:44,560 --> 00:15:46,720 Speaker 1: at the Biden administration if they take away and then 282 00:15:46,760 --> 00:15:48,560 Speaker 1: what do we say, Gen Alpha or whatever the next 283 00:15:48,560 --> 00:15:52,360 Speaker 1: generation is, If they take away these kids opportunity and 284 00:15:52,400 --> 00:15:54,560 Speaker 1: ability to access TikTok, I think it's kind of fascinating. 285 00:15:54,600 --> 00:15:56,480 Speaker 1: But if this is where you get a lot of 286 00:15:56,600 --> 00:15:59,720 Speaker 1: Republicans and Democrats, and this is you listen to Republican 287 00:15:59,760 --> 00:16:02,520 Speaker 1: members the Congress, and they're all hammer on this issue. 288 00:16:02,520 --> 00:16:04,280 Speaker 1: By the way, I think they're let's come back to 289 00:16:04,280 --> 00:16:06,040 Speaker 1: this as well, Clay, because they're much bigger issues with 290 00:16:06,120 --> 00:16:09,040 Speaker 1: China that no one is talking about and no one 291 00:16:09,080 --> 00:16:11,600 Speaker 1: wants to tackle. 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That's pound two five zero, say Clay and Buck. 310 00:17:02,200 --> 00:17:06,080 Speaker 1: Restricting supply seas site for details making sense in an 311 00:17:06,160 --> 00:17:11,639 Speaker 1: Insane World. Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Welcome back in 312 00:17:11,840 --> 00:17:15,679 Speaker 1: Clay Travis Buck Sexton Show, Thursday edition of the program. 313 00:17:16,200 --> 00:17:19,000 Speaker 1: I put up a pole question. I'm curious. I genuinely 314 00:17:19,920 --> 00:17:22,359 Speaker 1: do not know how this poll question is going to go, 315 00:17:22,880 --> 00:17:27,200 Speaker 1: but it's pretty simple, pretty straightforward. Do you believe TikTok 316 00:17:27,280 --> 00:17:29,880 Speaker 1: should be banned in the United States so long as 317 00:17:29,880 --> 00:17:35,240 Speaker 1: a Chinese company maintains ownership? I do at Buck disagrees. 318 00:17:36,000 --> 00:17:38,320 Speaker 1: There is a great deal of debate going on right 319 00:17:38,320 --> 00:17:42,080 Speaker 1: here right now. To me, it's less about China having 320 00:17:42,160 --> 00:17:46,240 Speaker 1: ownership than it is the Chinese communist government not allowing 321 00:17:46,359 --> 00:17:50,000 Speaker 1: our social media companies to have access to their market, 322 00:17:50,359 --> 00:17:53,040 Speaker 1: so why should we allow them to have access to 323 00:17:53,240 --> 00:17:56,520 Speaker 1: our market. That's my angle. I do have concerns about 324 00:17:56,560 --> 00:18:01,040 Speaker 1: spying and all the algorithmic, ridiculous listeners that's going on, 325 00:18:01,359 --> 00:18:04,800 Speaker 1: But I agree with Bucking that there's a lot of 326 00:18:05,359 --> 00:18:08,320 Speaker 1: stuff that's being fed to your kids and grandkids every 327 00:18:08,400 --> 00:18:11,480 Speaker 1: day to make them think that America is awful from 328 00:18:11,520 --> 00:18:15,200 Speaker 1: American based corporations. So the idea that China is going 329 00:18:15,240 --> 00:18:20,840 Speaker 1: to do something different than what YouTube or Twitter before 330 00:18:20,880 --> 00:18:23,680 Speaker 1: Elon Musk bought it, for instance, are doing. I question 331 00:18:23,760 --> 00:18:25,720 Speaker 1: in general. I mean if you went back and looked 332 00:18:25,720 --> 00:18:28,600 Speaker 1: at the the whatever it was one hundred thousand dollars 333 00:18:28,640 --> 00:18:32,720 Speaker 1: spent by Russian bought farm accounts in the twenty sixteen election, 334 00:18:33,240 --> 00:18:35,439 Speaker 1: and you looked at most of it, I mean you 335 00:18:35,440 --> 00:18:38,560 Speaker 1: could tell this was written by some guy in abasement 336 00:18:38,760 --> 00:18:42,840 Speaker 1: in Belarus on behalf of you know, the Russian equivalent 337 00:18:42,880 --> 00:18:45,880 Speaker 1: of the FSB or something. I mean that it was ridiculous. 338 00:18:45,880 --> 00:18:48,640 Speaker 1: It was like no vote for Hill or twenty sixteen 339 00:18:48,760 --> 00:18:51,679 Speaker 1: vote for Throw. I mean it was really clearly like 340 00:18:51,800 --> 00:18:56,440 Speaker 1: translated from the cyrillic into English by some translator program. 341 00:18:56,760 --> 00:18:59,399 Speaker 1: And they also spent almost no money, which anyone who 342 00:18:59,440 --> 00:19:01,960 Speaker 1: has ever bought ads on social media when you see 343 00:19:02,080 --> 00:19:04,840 Speaker 1: they spent like one hundred and twenty thousand dollars, it's 344 00:19:04,880 --> 00:19:07,280 Speaker 1: almost impossible to have any impact on Facebook at one 345 00:19:07,359 --> 00:19:09,160 Speaker 1: hundred and twenty k. But by the way, I would 346 00:19:09,160 --> 00:19:11,840 Speaker 1: say on this issue of TikTok, I'm certainly persuadable, and 347 00:19:11,880 --> 00:19:16,720 Speaker 1: I'm very aware of the espionage that's not only wanted 348 00:19:16,760 --> 00:19:18,919 Speaker 1: the CIA. For God's sake, I mean, I think you're 349 00:19:18,960 --> 00:19:21,159 Speaker 1: probably more aware than almost than anyone. If if people 350 00:19:21,280 --> 00:19:26,720 Speaker 1: understood how much has already been stolen from American companies 351 00:19:26,720 --> 00:19:33,200 Speaker 1: in terms of proprietary technology, sensitive personal information, massive hacks 352 00:19:33,640 --> 00:19:38,879 Speaker 1: of terabytes upon terabytes of the most sensitive information. You 353 00:19:38,880 --> 00:19:41,600 Speaker 1: can imagine that's been going on for twenty years. So 354 00:19:41,640 --> 00:19:44,520 Speaker 1: I just you know, oh, it's this is so bad, 355 00:19:44,520 --> 00:19:46,760 Speaker 1: because TikTok is going to be this this portal to 356 00:19:46,800 --> 00:19:49,480 Speaker 1: all of our data and information. The Internet is the 357 00:19:49,520 --> 00:19:52,439 Speaker 1: portal for your data information because the Chinese are hacking 358 00:19:52,800 --> 00:19:56,520 Speaker 1: every company they can of value and stealing everything of 359 00:19:56,640 --> 00:19:59,680 Speaker 1: value they can, and they've been doing it since Clay 360 00:19:59,720 --> 00:20:01,760 Speaker 1: and I were in college, or Clay was in college 361 00:20:01,760 --> 00:20:04,879 Speaker 1: and I was in nursery school, but close enough. I 362 00:20:04,920 --> 00:20:08,399 Speaker 1: will tell you this, buck, I had a conversation recently. 363 00:20:08,440 --> 00:20:09,960 Speaker 1: I meant to share this with you because I thought 364 00:20:10,000 --> 00:20:13,879 Speaker 1: you would find it intriguing. These algorithms are constantly feeding 365 00:20:14,000 --> 00:20:18,080 Speaker 1: kids all sorts of different videos, all sorts of different content. 366 00:20:19,080 --> 00:20:22,120 Speaker 1: Do you know I talked to my kids friends recently. 367 00:20:22,760 --> 00:20:26,320 Speaker 1: These are kids, you know, like ten to sixteen years old, 368 00:20:26,440 --> 00:20:28,119 Speaker 1: kind of in the window. I've got an eight year 369 00:20:28,160 --> 00:20:31,480 Speaker 1: old to a fifteen year old. Do you know who 370 00:20:31,560 --> 00:20:35,879 Speaker 1: the number one most influential person at least according to 371 00:20:35,920 --> 00:20:38,880 Speaker 1: the focus group that is my kids and their friends 372 00:20:39,560 --> 00:20:43,600 Speaker 1: is right now on any of these social media platforms. 373 00:20:43,800 --> 00:20:49,160 Speaker 1: Mister beast, he's up there. It's actually Andrew Tate. They 374 00:20:49,320 --> 00:20:52,680 Speaker 1: all see Andrew Tate videos all the time, and I 375 00:20:52,720 --> 00:20:55,359 Speaker 1: think this is this is look. I just tell you, 376 00:20:55,440 --> 00:20:58,320 Speaker 1: like a yeah, you know that the Andrew Tate Clay 377 00:20:58,359 --> 00:21:02,480 Speaker 1: they just extended another third days in prison without charge 378 00:21:02,840 --> 00:21:06,240 Speaker 1: so they can find out whether he should be charged. Yeah, 379 00:21:06,720 --> 00:21:09,639 Speaker 1: is going into month four of this guy being held 380 00:21:09,680 --> 00:21:13,159 Speaker 1: in a hellish remaining in prison. If they if he 381 00:21:13,280 --> 00:21:16,440 Speaker 1: was so guilty and there was such bad stuff, they 382 00:21:16,440 --> 00:21:18,479 Speaker 1: need four months to come up with whether or not 383 00:21:18,520 --> 00:21:21,240 Speaker 1: they're even going to charge. I mean this, look, I 384 00:21:21,359 --> 00:21:23,280 Speaker 1: was gonna say it, America is not great with the 385 00:21:23,359 --> 00:21:26,120 Speaker 1: justice system. You don't want to get arrested anywhere else, though, 386 00:21:26,119 --> 00:21:28,000 Speaker 1: I can tell you. I want to tell you this. 387 00:21:28,000 --> 00:21:30,160 Speaker 1: This is like a ten or fifteen or maybe even 388 00:21:30,240 --> 00:21:33,080 Speaker 1: twenty year prediction because these kids and these are boys, right, 389 00:21:33,119 --> 00:21:35,040 Speaker 1: I've got three boys, so I'm talking to boys. I'm 390 00:21:35,040 --> 00:21:37,320 Speaker 1: not saying what girls are seeing. I have no idea. 391 00:21:37,359 --> 00:21:39,919 Speaker 1: I don't have teenage girls or young girls or anything 392 00:21:39,920 --> 00:21:42,120 Speaker 1: like that, so I'm sure they get fed different things 393 00:21:42,119 --> 00:21:46,280 Speaker 1: on the algorithm. I think that these young boys today, 394 00:21:47,040 --> 00:21:49,320 Speaker 1: and I'm talking about this as a dad of three 395 00:21:49,400 --> 00:21:54,200 Speaker 1: young boys, I think that they are told that they 396 00:21:54,240 --> 00:21:57,840 Speaker 1: are awful as men, right, and I mean awful as 397 00:21:57,840 --> 00:22:00,359 Speaker 1: men when they're like seven and eight years old. That 398 00:22:00,480 --> 00:22:04,040 Speaker 1: a lot of them are rejecting what they are being 399 00:22:04,080 --> 00:22:09,240 Speaker 1: taught in school and desperately seeking out masculine figures that 400 00:22:09,359 --> 00:22:13,240 Speaker 1: do not apologize for being men. And I think there's 401 00:22:13,240 --> 00:22:16,199 Speaker 1: a desperate yearning, to say nothing of young boys who 402 00:22:16,240 --> 00:22:20,440 Speaker 1: are growing out, growing up without masculine influence in their household. Right. 403 00:22:20,720 --> 00:22:23,440 Speaker 1: Maybe they're getting raised by Grandma. Maybe they're getting raised 404 00:22:23,480 --> 00:22:25,840 Speaker 1: by mom. They don't really know what men are like. 405 00:22:26,080 --> 00:22:29,840 Speaker 1: That's a huge percentage, unfortunately, of young boys in this country. 406 00:22:30,080 --> 00:22:35,320 Speaker 1: And interestingly, buck what they show is young boys suffer 407 00:22:35,440 --> 00:22:37,840 Speaker 1: far more from the absence of a father in the 408 00:22:37,880 --> 00:22:40,800 Speaker 1: household than young girls do. When they look at what 409 00:22:40,880 --> 00:22:44,439 Speaker 1: outcomes kids have, girls tend to be far more resilient. 410 00:22:44,720 --> 00:22:46,639 Speaker 1: Maybe it's because there's a mother figure and they can 411 00:22:46,680 --> 00:22:48,840 Speaker 1: see someone exactly who they want to live up to. 412 00:22:49,640 --> 00:22:54,639 Speaker 1: Boys are desperately yearning right now for male authority figures 413 00:22:54,640 --> 00:22:57,359 Speaker 1: to teach them that it's okay to be a boy. 414 00:22:57,920 --> 00:23:00,920 Speaker 1: And I hear this not only so many. Yeah, it's 415 00:23:00,960 --> 00:23:03,280 Speaker 1: not only okay to be a boy. It should be 416 00:23:03,359 --> 00:23:07,399 Speaker 1: proud of it. You should be proud to become a man, Curren. 417 00:23:07,480 --> 00:23:11,119 Speaker 1: Men are looking for people to pattern themselves after. That 418 00:23:11,200 --> 00:23:15,600 Speaker 1: involve strength, that involve courage, that involve the kind of 419 00:23:15,720 --> 00:23:20,440 Speaker 1: person that anybody would want to have around, anybody would 420 00:23:20,440 --> 00:23:23,840 Speaker 1: want to work with, being near, having their community, having 421 00:23:23,880 --> 00:23:26,960 Speaker 1: their society, and we are being there is an active 422 00:23:26,960 --> 00:23:30,399 Speaker 1: program to de masculine demasculinize us, if that is a 423 00:23:30,400 --> 00:23:32,359 Speaker 1: word I can use, and we can all see it 424 00:23:32,800 --> 00:23:35,280 Speaker 1: just on the TikTok issue again to bring it full circle. 425 00:23:35,720 --> 00:23:37,800 Speaker 1: I think one of the things here that isn't being 426 00:23:39,440 --> 00:23:42,560 Speaker 1: grappled with seriously enough play is that the algorithm is 427 00:23:42,560 --> 00:23:47,119 Speaker 1: meant to be entirely addictive based on what you watch, 428 00:23:48,040 --> 00:23:50,880 Speaker 1: how long are you want it? How that? I mean, 429 00:23:50,880 --> 00:23:53,600 Speaker 1: it's pretty clear what where Andrew Tate is taking off 430 00:23:53,640 --> 00:23:55,920 Speaker 1: on TikTok tu buck is. That's where a lot of 431 00:23:56,000 --> 00:23:59,439 Speaker 1: these kids are being exposed TikTok and YouTube. He is 432 00:23:59,480 --> 00:24:04,240 Speaker 1: I think most popular, the most popular figure on these apps, 433 00:24:04,280 --> 00:24:06,240 Speaker 1: So he was all of them. As you know, it's 434 00:24:06,280 --> 00:24:09,760 Speaker 1: it's pirate accounts. Yeah, people who take things that he 435 00:24:09,920 --> 00:24:13,800 Speaker 1: said and sharing them and then they go viral. So's 436 00:24:14,000 --> 00:24:16,800 Speaker 1: he's still very Tate is still very much in the 437 00:24:17,400 --> 00:24:20,239 Speaker 1: in the minds of particularly young men who are by 438 00:24:20,240 --> 00:24:22,800 Speaker 1: the way, that's the apparatus wants to control young men 439 00:24:22,840 --> 00:24:25,680 Speaker 1: more than anything else, because who's really a problem for 440 00:24:25,720 --> 00:24:27,760 Speaker 1: you in society? When the when the young men all 441 00:24:27,760 --> 00:24:30,600 Speaker 1: get upset with how a society is going, things can happen. 442 00:24:30,640 --> 00:24:32,879 Speaker 1: They want to be controlled. They want them docile, they 443 00:24:32,880 --> 00:24:34,840 Speaker 1: want them to shut up and do as they're told. Right, 444 00:24:34,960 --> 00:24:37,080 Speaker 1: that's the people that are telling you to eat. The 445 00:24:37,080 --> 00:24:40,399 Speaker 1: bugs have low tea cry all the time about all 446 00:24:40,400 --> 00:24:43,199 Speaker 1: the bad things your ancestors did or didn't do. Whatever. 447 00:24:43,760 --> 00:24:46,840 Speaker 1: Those people want you to be ashamed of your masculinity. 448 00:24:46,920 --> 00:24:49,560 Speaker 1: But I just think on the yeah, the tate, there's 449 00:24:49,600 --> 00:24:52,439 Speaker 1: some of that that's happening on TikTok, But Clay, they 450 00:24:52,520 --> 00:24:55,600 Speaker 1: keep saying, oh, they're gonna brainwash our kids. The brainwashing 451 00:24:55,680 --> 00:24:58,760 Speaker 1: is already occurring. And what TikTok is actually showing people, 452 00:24:58,800 --> 00:25:00,800 Speaker 1: if you get on it and you to pay attention 453 00:25:00,800 --> 00:25:04,840 Speaker 1: to it, is what American youth, through their schools, through 454 00:25:04,920 --> 00:25:08,639 Speaker 1: their entertainment, through what they want to see more of. Yeah, 455 00:25:08,680 --> 00:25:10,640 Speaker 1: people seem to think that this is just like there's 456 00:25:10,640 --> 00:25:13,480 Speaker 1: not some Chinese Communist Party figure who's showing up who's 457 00:25:13,480 --> 00:25:16,520 Speaker 1: like America is very evil. I'm like, you should hate America. 458 00:25:16,640 --> 00:25:19,000 Speaker 1: They're showing people things. Where does all the lives of 459 00:25:19,040 --> 00:25:22,280 Speaker 1: TikTok stuff come from? Obviously in the name. They're showing 460 00:25:22,280 --> 00:25:24,640 Speaker 1: what's already happening in this country, and kids are being 461 00:25:24,680 --> 00:25:27,480 Speaker 1: trained to believe by the society around them. This is 462 00:25:27,480 --> 00:25:29,119 Speaker 1: what I want to see more of. This is what 463 00:25:29,160 --> 00:25:32,000 Speaker 1: I believe in. This is so it's a mirror in 464 00:25:32,040 --> 00:25:35,280 Speaker 1: many ways to our current problems. As it is. Also, 465 00:25:35,359 --> 00:25:38,000 Speaker 1: I think of an issue for long term programming in 466 00:25:38,080 --> 00:25:41,359 Speaker 1: CCP intervention. I'm not saying that's not a risk, but 467 00:25:41,520 --> 00:25:44,800 Speaker 1: right now it's showing us how actually destabilize a lot 468 00:25:44,800 --> 00:25:48,240 Speaker 1: of America's foundation has become. I saw a quote. There's 469 00:25:48,240 --> 00:25:50,400 Speaker 1: a good New York Magazine article. I need to send 470 00:25:50,400 --> 00:25:52,679 Speaker 1: you the link buck that I read while I was 471 00:25:52,720 --> 00:25:54,960 Speaker 1: over in Italy. You know, late at night, everybody's in 472 00:25:55,000 --> 00:25:58,440 Speaker 1: bed asleep, you're getting ready, and I'll kind of scroll 473 00:25:58,560 --> 00:26:01,960 Speaker 1: through and be reading all sorts different stuff, and there 474 00:26:02,160 --> 00:26:06,320 Speaker 1: was an unbelievable quote from a left wing mom in 475 00:26:06,480 --> 00:26:08,960 Speaker 1: Brooklyn and here I just wanted to read this to 476 00:26:09,000 --> 00:26:11,840 Speaker 1: you because I think it's so great. As Tate was 477 00:26:11,920 --> 00:26:14,760 Speaker 1: blowing up, this is her kid. Well, i'll tell this 478 00:26:14,800 --> 00:26:16,399 Speaker 1: story when we come back, and we'll also take some 479 00:26:16,440 --> 00:26:18,720 Speaker 1: of your calls, because I think you guys are going 480 00:26:18,760 --> 00:26:20,840 Speaker 1: to really enjoy this story. Some of the quotes from 481 00:26:20,840 --> 00:26:23,680 Speaker 1: this New York Magazine article are pretty incredible about Andrew Tate. 482 00:26:23,720 --> 00:26:25,080 Speaker 1: But what I would say as we go to break 483 00:26:25,240 --> 00:26:29,560 Speaker 1: is there is a desperate desire for masculinity in this country, 484 00:26:29,920 --> 00:26:34,840 Speaker 1: and kids are craving it, young boys to a degree 485 00:26:34,880 --> 00:26:38,040 Speaker 1: that may never have existed in this country before. What 486 00:26:38,240 --> 00:26:42,160 Speaker 1: figures are going to fill the void in their lives 487 00:26:42,200 --> 00:26:45,639 Speaker 1: that they want to emulate. It's a big question. I 488 00:26:45,680 --> 00:26:47,879 Speaker 1: think for a lot of them, it's become Andrew Tate, 489 00:26:48,280 --> 00:26:50,200 Speaker 1: which is fascinating in and of itself. But I'll read 490 00:26:50,240 --> 00:26:51,879 Speaker 1: these quotes and we'll discuss. We'll take some of your 491 00:26:51,920 --> 00:26:53,720 Speaker 1: calls when we come back. In the meantime, it's at 492 00:26:53,720 --> 00:26:56,080 Speaker 1: all the Towers Foundation delivers on its promise to do 493 00:26:56,119 --> 00:26:58,960 Speaker 1: good and never forget the sacrifices America's heroes have made 494 00:26:59,000 --> 00:27:02,200 Speaker 1: for US. Heroes like US Air Force Senior Master Sergeant 495 00:27:02,280 --> 00:27:05,520 Speaker 1: Israel del Toro Junior. He promised his father he'd take 496 00:27:05,560 --> 00:27:08,240 Speaker 1: care of his family and his son, that he wouldn't 497 00:27:08,240 --> 00:27:11,800 Speaker 1: grow up without a father. 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Drew and Phoenix, what 517 00:28:19,160 --> 00:28:22,720 Speaker 1: do you got for us? Um? Yeah, So me and 518 00:28:22,760 --> 00:28:24,439 Speaker 1: a couple of buddies. I was listening to you, but 519 00:28:24,480 --> 00:28:28,400 Speaker 1: me and a couple of buddies started a club. We 520 00:28:28,400 --> 00:28:31,880 Speaker 1: were tired of just complaining about not having masculine role 521 00:28:31,920 --> 00:28:35,119 Speaker 1: models for these young men. So we started a club 522 00:28:35,160 --> 00:28:38,480 Speaker 1: and it's called Real Life Skills And kind of our 523 00:28:38,520 --> 00:28:42,520 Speaker 1: primary objective is we want to interview someone with a 524 00:28:42,640 --> 00:28:45,200 Speaker 1: job where you don't necessarily have to have a four 525 00:28:45,240 --> 00:28:48,200 Speaker 1: year degree. So we've interviewed a real estate age and 526 00:28:48,240 --> 00:28:52,880 Speaker 1: a firefighter, a police officer, some local business owners, and 527 00:28:52,920 --> 00:28:56,920 Speaker 1: then we also wanted to do teach them some sort 528 00:28:56,960 --> 00:29:00,440 Speaker 1: of these young men some sort of masculine life lesson 529 00:29:00,520 --> 00:29:03,720 Speaker 1: where they get some hands on experience. So we've done 530 00:29:03,760 --> 00:29:06,720 Speaker 1: things like how to change a tire, how to jump 531 00:29:06,760 --> 00:29:11,640 Speaker 1: start a car, firearms safety, how to grill the perfect burger, 532 00:29:12,600 --> 00:29:15,440 Speaker 1: build a fence. So we've kind of taught these young 533 00:29:15,520 --> 00:29:19,320 Speaker 1: men that are looking for a masculine role model in 534 00:29:19,360 --> 00:29:24,400 Speaker 1: their lives some masculine skills that they can use throughout 535 00:29:24,440 --> 00:29:29,160 Speaker 1: their lives. I love it for you, Good for everybody 536 00:29:29,200 --> 00:29:31,600 Speaker 1: out there by the way doing big brothers. Good for 537 00:29:31,600 --> 00:29:34,760 Speaker 1: everyone who's coaching sports and reaching kids in that way 538 00:29:35,360 --> 00:29:37,240 Speaker 1: we talked. Now, I think it's probably a conversation we 539 00:29:37,280 --> 00:29:40,080 Speaker 1: need to keep having on this Showbuck about the desperate 540 00:29:40,120 --> 00:29:43,400 Speaker 1: desire for young boys to find masculine role bottles in 541 00:29:43,400 --> 00:29:46,400 Speaker 1: this country and how few of them there often are. 542 00:29:47,040 --> 00:29:48,960 Speaker 1: And we all need to spec any man out there 543 00:29:49,080 --> 00:29:51,040 Speaker 1: right now to do as good of a job, not 544 00:29:51,080 --> 00:29:53,320 Speaker 1: only for your own kids, but for all the other 545 00:29:53,400 --> 00:29:56,040 Speaker 1: kids out there that are not being lifted up in 546 00:29:56,080 --> 00:29:59,680 Speaker 1: the process. It's incredibly important in this country. If you 547 00:29:59,720 --> 00:30:02,560 Speaker 1: own a small business, you may qualify for a refund 548 00:30:02,560 --> 00:30:05,040 Speaker 1: of your taxes from the IRS. 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One more time, go to get refunds dot Com. 565 00:30:58,200 --> 00:31:04,200 Speaker 1: A looming Trump indictment in New York ongoing January six 566 00:31:04,280 --> 00:31:07,600 Speaker 1: trials in DC, perhaps another thousand of them in the cube. 567 00:31:07,680 --> 00:31:10,680 Speaker 1: By the way, who can we talk to that knows 568 00:31:10,720 --> 00:31:12,880 Speaker 1: so much about all this, following it so closely and 569 00:31:12,880 --> 00:31:15,720 Speaker 1: can bring real insight to it. Our friend, Julie Kelly, 570 00:31:15,800 --> 00:31:19,360 Speaker 1: senior writer at American Greatness, an author of January sixth, 571 00:31:19,520 --> 00:31:22,320 Speaker 1: how Democrats use the Capitol protest to launch a war 572 00:31:22,360 --> 00:31:24,920 Speaker 1: on terror against the political right. Julie, good to have 573 00:31:24,960 --> 00:31:27,760 Speaker 1: you back on the program. Hey, guys, thank you for 574 00:31:27,800 --> 00:31:30,120 Speaker 1: having me. Thanks for the great what do they call it? 575 00:31:30,200 --> 00:31:34,920 Speaker 1: Lock up music? That's right? Yes, So talk to us 576 00:31:34,920 --> 00:31:39,480 Speaker 1: about this Proud Boys trial that's going on right now, 577 00:31:39,560 --> 00:31:41,880 Speaker 1: because because you've been you've been following this and getting 578 00:31:41,880 --> 00:31:45,120 Speaker 1: the word out that there's some pretty remarkable i mean 579 00:31:45,160 --> 00:31:50,880 Speaker 1: a real bombshell motion regarding an FBI informant who infiltrated 580 00:31:51,440 --> 00:31:55,680 Speaker 1: defense legal team. Tell us what's going on here? Right? So, 581 00:31:55,800 --> 00:31:59,400 Speaker 1: this is the seditious conspiracy trial of five members of 582 00:31:59,440 --> 00:32:04,920 Speaker 1: the Proud including its leader, their leader, Enrigae Terio. Now 583 00:32:05,000 --> 00:32:08,760 Speaker 1: we know from witness testimony and court filings, even though 584 00:32:08,800 --> 00:32:11,800 Speaker 1: a lot of it is under seal that anywhere between 585 00:32:11,960 --> 00:32:16,600 Speaker 1: ten to fifteen FBI informants were embedded in this group 586 00:32:16,760 --> 00:32:22,360 Speaker 1: months before January sixth, so we know that at least 587 00:32:22,960 --> 00:32:27,080 Speaker 1: we have that evidence. What was stunning yesterday and really 588 00:32:27,200 --> 00:32:30,840 Speaker 1: came as a shock and blindsided the defense team is 589 00:32:31,040 --> 00:32:34,200 Speaker 1: they were scheduled to call a witness, a defense witness 590 00:32:34,240 --> 00:32:37,440 Speaker 1: on their behalf to the stand today in front of 591 00:32:37,440 --> 00:32:42,360 Speaker 1: the jury. Yesterday afternoon, the prosecutors out of the DCUs 592 00:32:42,400 --> 00:32:46,520 Speaker 1: Attorney's office told the defense team that their own witness 593 00:32:46,720 --> 00:32:50,720 Speaker 1: was an FBI informant and had been an informant during 594 00:32:50,760 --> 00:32:55,680 Speaker 1: the entire investigation from April twenty twenty one through January 595 00:32:55,680 --> 00:32:59,720 Speaker 1: of twenty twenty three when the trials started. This completely 596 00:33:00,360 --> 00:33:03,480 Speaker 1: the defense team because this witness, of course they've been 597 00:33:03,480 --> 00:33:07,680 Speaker 1: communicating with. It turns out that this witness, the FBI informant, 598 00:33:08,120 --> 00:33:12,960 Speaker 1: was sort of infiltrating and spying on defense lawyers, their strategies, 599 00:33:13,240 --> 00:33:17,280 Speaker 1: talking to defendants, even talking to defendants families. They were 600 00:33:17,320 --> 00:33:19,560 Speaker 1: involved in some sort of prayer group. It looks like 601 00:33:19,680 --> 00:33:23,080 Speaker 1: with the defendants, I mean, this is sort of stuff 602 00:33:23,160 --> 00:33:27,080 Speaker 1: is beyond the pale. So of course the defense immediately 603 00:33:27,080 --> 00:33:30,800 Speaker 1: filed emotion seeking all records related to this FBI informant, 604 00:33:30,800 --> 00:33:34,960 Speaker 1: any recordings that he had, and they filed that last night. 605 00:33:35,560 --> 00:33:38,960 Speaker 1: The government was supposed to file their motion today in response. 606 00:33:39,000 --> 00:33:42,280 Speaker 1: They did, but that is under seal. We cannot take 607 00:33:42,280 --> 00:33:44,560 Speaker 1: a look at it. But there's a hearing on the 608 00:33:44,560 --> 00:33:49,080 Speaker 1: matter scheduled at three o'clocks this afternoon. Julie, I mean, 609 00:33:49,160 --> 00:33:53,200 Speaker 1: you've done unbelievable work covering all of these cases. I 610 00:33:53,200 --> 00:33:56,320 Speaker 1: didn't encourage people to go follow you at Julie Kelly 611 00:33:56,840 --> 00:33:59,760 Speaker 1: will retweet this interview, but I want to dive into 612 00:34:00,000 --> 00:34:03,320 Speaker 1: a buck lad with the Alvin Bragg investigation that's going 613 00:34:03,320 --> 00:34:04,960 Speaker 1: on in New York City. You've been coming on with 614 00:34:05,040 --> 00:34:08,640 Speaker 1: us for years now, I think, and we've been discussing 615 00:34:08,719 --> 00:34:11,920 Speaker 1: would Trump be indicted or not? And I believe you 616 00:34:11,960 --> 00:34:13,799 Speaker 1: and I have both been on the side of yes, 617 00:34:13,880 --> 00:34:16,040 Speaker 1: he will be indicted at some point. I think you 618 00:34:16,120 --> 00:34:18,880 Speaker 1: even said did you had one hundred and ten percent 619 00:34:19,000 --> 00:34:21,880 Speaker 1: certainty at one point or another? If I'm quoting you 620 00:34:21,920 --> 00:34:24,760 Speaker 1: accurately on the show. Do you think that Alvin Bragg 621 00:34:25,000 --> 00:34:28,359 Speaker 1: is going to get this indictment done, Do you think 622 00:34:28,360 --> 00:34:30,480 Speaker 1: it's still going to happen in Georgia? How do you 623 00:34:30,480 --> 00:34:33,319 Speaker 1: think Merrick Garland is going to handle this? How would 624 00:34:33,400 --> 00:34:37,000 Speaker 1: you sort of assess the larger Trump legal landscape? As 625 00:34:37,040 --> 00:34:39,760 Speaker 1: we sit here on a Thursday, heading into the weekend, 626 00:34:39,760 --> 00:34:42,319 Speaker 1: it doesn't seem like it's going to happen this week 627 00:34:42,360 --> 00:34:45,600 Speaker 1: in New York City, at least that's what it looks like. 628 00:34:46,360 --> 00:34:49,960 Speaker 1: And I don't know what sort of turnoil is happening, 629 00:34:50,320 --> 00:34:54,640 Speaker 1: but look, the whole idea that this DA's office weeked 630 00:34:54,760 --> 00:34:58,840 Speaker 1: to someone at NBC News last week that law enforcement 631 00:34:58,880 --> 00:35:03,680 Speaker 1: agencies were told to prepare for the possible announcement of 632 00:35:03,719 --> 00:35:07,560 Speaker 1: an indictment when they hadn't even finished the grand jury proceedings, which, 633 00:35:07,600 --> 00:35:11,400 Speaker 1: of course our secret and the whole presumption that this 634 00:35:11,480 --> 00:35:14,680 Speaker 1: grand jury would return an indictment before they were even 635 00:35:14,760 --> 00:35:18,520 Speaker 1: finished presenting all the evidence as if it were a 636 00:35:18,560 --> 00:35:22,960 Speaker 1: foregone conclusion. Perhaps that riled some of the grand jury members. 637 00:35:23,120 --> 00:35:25,840 Speaker 1: Of course, they're not supposed to pay attention to the media. 638 00:35:26,080 --> 00:35:29,840 Speaker 1: They probably do, so it looks like the certain indictment 639 00:35:29,920 --> 00:35:32,040 Speaker 1: certainly is not coming this week. Who knows if it 640 00:35:32,160 --> 00:35:35,200 Speaker 1: well next week, But I think when we were discussing it, 641 00:35:35,239 --> 00:35:40,680 Speaker 1: and I still truly believe that Special Council Special Prosecutor 642 00:35:40,800 --> 00:35:44,959 Speaker 1: Jack Smith will hand down criminal indictments at some point. 643 00:35:45,040 --> 00:35:50,800 Speaker 1: You see the investigation ramping up, even forcing Trump's attorney, 644 00:35:50,320 --> 00:35:57,239 Speaker 1: Evan Cochrane to turn over his notes, perhaps even recordings 645 00:35:57,239 --> 00:36:00,759 Speaker 1: of phone calls that were seized by the government and 646 00:36:00,880 --> 00:36:03,799 Speaker 1: turned over at the order of Beryl Howell, who was 647 00:36:03,840 --> 00:36:06,440 Speaker 1: the chief Judge. She just retired on Friday. That was 648 00:36:06,480 --> 00:36:09,480 Speaker 1: her parting shot at Donald Trump. So I still think 649 00:36:09,480 --> 00:36:13,239 Speaker 1: his greatest legal exposure is at the hands of Mark 650 00:36:13,360 --> 00:36:18,280 Speaker 1: Arland's DOJ and Special Prosecutor Jack Smith. Do you think, Julie, 651 00:36:18,280 --> 00:36:20,879 Speaker 1: with that in mind, that the Department of Justice might 652 00:36:20,920 --> 00:36:23,840 Speaker 1: be trying to put pressure on Bragg and maybe also 653 00:36:24,040 --> 00:36:29,280 Speaker 1: this Georgia state prosecutor as well, to not defile state 654 00:36:29,360 --> 00:36:32,480 Speaker 1: charges as it pertains to Georgia or New York, because 655 00:36:32,640 --> 00:36:36,480 Speaker 1: in some ways that steps all over what the Department 656 00:36:36,520 --> 00:36:41,120 Speaker 1: of Justice itself might do. It very well could be 657 00:36:41,320 --> 00:36:44,160 Speaker 1: the case. Of course, all of these prosecutors talk, whether 658 00:36:44,200 --> 00:36:48,319 Speaker 1: they're state or federal, and so maybe they did want 659 00:36:48,360 --> 00:36:52,120 Speaker 1: to hold off what Brad was planning to do. They 660 00:36:52,200 --> 00:36:55,960 Speaker 1: really want a maximum impact when Trump is charged on 661 00:36:56,120 --> 00:37:01,040 Speaker 1: criminal either obstruction, conspiracy, could even be seditious spiracy. This 662 00:37:01,080 --> 00:37:03,520 Speaker 1: is why the Proud Voice trial is so important to 663 00:37:03,560 --> 00:37:06,719 Speaker 1: the Department of Justice because if they get convictions, which 664 00:37:06,719 --> 00:37:11,240 Speaker 1: they probably will, that would justify a case against Trump 665 00:37:11,280 --> 00:37:13,759 Speaker 1: for the same charge because of course they're you know, 666 00:37:13,800 --> 00:37:16,200 Speaker 1: they use the whole stand back and stand by comment 667 00:37:16,280 --> 00:37:20,640 Speaker 1: from Donald Trump and the presidential debate, so that could 668 00:37:20,680 --> 00:37:23,640 Speaker 1: be the case. I just I don't know. It sort 669 00:37:23,640 --> 00:37:25,759 Speaker 1: of came out of nowhere and now it's kind of 670 00:37:25,920 --> 00:37:30,399 Speaker 1: sizzled out. The Georgia cases I'm less than familiar with, 671 00:37:31,239 --> 00:37:33,840 Speaker 1: but you know, they've had a grand jury looking into 672 00:37:33,920 --> 00:37:38,760 Speaker 1: Donald Trump's involvement or blame for January six for months 673 00:37:38,800 --> 00:37:42,319 Speaker 1: now and that seems to be really escalating. So those 674 00:37:42,320 --> 00:37:45,120 Speaker 1: are the charges I predicted, and I still feel certain 675 00:37:45,160 --> 00:37:48,759 Speaker 1: well will be produced. And so Julie, we're speaking of 676 00:37:48,840 --> 00:37:53,520 Speaker 1: Julie Kelly for everybody who is at American Greatness, and 677 00:37:53,600 --> 00:37:56,280 Speaker 1: her book is January six, How Democrats use the capital 678 00:37:56,280 --> 00:37:59,000 Speaker 1: to protest, Capital protest to launch a war on terror 679 00:37:59,000 --> 00:38:01,760 Speaker 1: against the political right. Just one more for you, Julie. 680 00:38:01,960 --> 00:38:05,080 Speaker 1: The thousand or so I think it was they said, 681 00:38:05,160 --> 00:38:09,240 Speaker 1: what eight hundred to twelve hundred that the DC court 682 00:38:09,320 --> 00:38:12,239 Speaker 1: system is now claiming are going to be additionally prosecuted 683 00:38:12,239 --> 00:38:16,319 Speaker 1: on January sixth? Are those? Did they save more of 684 00:38:16,320 --> 00:38:21,000 Speaker 1: the serious or less serious in their minds cases? Because 685 00:38:21,000 --> 00:38:23,520 Speaker 1: it seems like this is being time to coincide with 686 00:38:23,560 --> 00:38:28,560 Speaker 1: the election cycle, right, So I think their most serious 687 00:38:28,640 --> 00:38:31,920 Speaker 1: charges have already been filed, and this would be against 688 00:38:32,040 --> 00:38:35,680 Speaker 1: the Proud Boys, oath Keepers, etc. They just got six 689 00:38:35,800 --> 00:38:40,120 Speaker 1: new convictions in the Oathkeepers case in this week, so 690 00:38:40,680 --> 00:38:43,440 Speaker 1: you know, things are speeding along in terms of the 691 00:38:43,480 --> 00:38:46,239 Speaker 1: bigger so called militia groups or the most more high 692 00:38:46,320 --> 00:38:50,040 Speaker 1: profiled descendants. So I think this will basically be scooping 693 00:38:50,120 --> 00:38:56,560 Speaker 1: up more misdemeaner cases, adding perhaps the obstruction felony or 694 00:38:56,600 --> 00:38:59,920 Speaker 1: the civil disorder felony. But look, they've already arrested and 695 00:39:00,200 --> 00:39:03,880 Speaker 1: charged nine people this month alone. I mean this is 696 00:39:04,000 --> 00:39:08,120 Speaker 1: twenty six plus months later, and this could go on 697 00:39:08,200 --> 00:39:11,480 Speaker 1: for years. The FBI actually warned during the two year 698 00:39:11,480 --> 00:39:16,759 Speaker 1: anniversary of January sixth, this is a political persecution. It 699 00:39:16,880 --> 00:39:21,480 Speaker 1: is destroying people's lives, it is silencing dissent, as we 700 00:39:21,640 --> 00:39:25,400 Speaker 1: see at this past week when Trump was calling for protests, 701 00:39:25,440 --> 00:39:30,960 Speaker 1: everyone was justifiably warning against that because this Department of Justice, 702 00:39:30,960 --> 00:39:36,520 Speaker 1: as Biden regime, has successfully criminalized political speech and activity 703 00:39:36,960 --> 00:39:42,120 Speaker 1: and that is really dangerous slope where we're headed. So 704 00:39:42,280 --> 00:39:45,320 Speaker 1: this will be their ongoing mission to continue to criminalize 705 00:39:45,320 --> 00:39:47,680 Speaker 1: it into the twenty twenty four election. To your point, 706 00:39:48,120 --> 00:39:52,440 Speaker 1: so rallies or protests, etc. People will be very hesitant 707 00:39:52,480 --> 00:39:56,280 Speaker 1: to participate in lest they be considered a domestic terrorist. 708 00:39:57,480 --> 00:39:59,560 Speaker 1: Julie Kelly, thanks so much for being with us. Appreciate 709 00:39:59,560 --> 00:40:04,239 Speaker 1: your inside Thanks guys, have a great day. It's a 710 00:40:04,280 --> 00:40:07,319 Speaker 1: tragic statistics to report, but one in five pregnancies will 711 00:40:07,400 --> 00:40:10,160 Speaker 1: end in abortion. Access to the abortion pill accounts for 712 00:40:10,160 --> 00:40:12,880 Speaker 1: over fifty percent of all abortions. How do we protect 713 00:40:12,880 --> 00:40:15,280 Speaker 1: the lives of unborn children? 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That's pound two five zero and say baby. 731 00:41:12,920 --> 00:41:15,800 Speaker 1: Or go to preborn dot com slash buck that's preborn 732 00:41:15,840 --> 00:41:19,400 Speaker 1: dot com slash b u c K sponsored by Preborn. 733 00:41:20,160 --> 00:41:23,760 Speaker 1: Download and use the new Clay in Buck app. Listen 734 00:41:23,800 --> 00:41:26,520 Speaker 1: to the program live, catch up on any part of 735 00:41:26,520 --> 00:41:29,480 Speaker 1: the show you might have missed. Find every podcast as 736 00:41:29,480 --> 00:41:32,440 Speaker 1: their released, then listen. Find the Clay and Buck app 737 00:41:32,440 --> 00:41:34,800 Speaker 1: in your app store and make it part of your day.